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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Let's go. Are you

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Speaker 1: ready for a break? Yes? Are you ready for a break? Absolutely?

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Speaker 1: Ready for a break? Yeah? And so much for that.

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Speaker 1: It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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Speaker 1: with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton.

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Speaker 1: It is Monday, November twenty fifth, twenty nineteen, Season fifteen,

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Speaker 1: episode number eighty nine. Welcome to another edition of The Break.

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Speaker 1: We're live the s WBC Morria Studios at the Star,

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Speaker 1: and man, we have so much to talk about the

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Speaker 1: day Cowboys lose. Last night, they lose thirteen to nine

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Speaker 1: to the New England Patriots, a game that was pretty

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Speaker 1: messy from the standpoint of the weather, but so many,

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Speaker 1: so many points that came from that game worth discussing,

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Speaker 1: and some things that were said after the game that

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Speaker 1: will definitely get into as well. Let's start first, as

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Speaker 1: we normally do, a particularly after a loss, and the

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Speaker 1: loss with so many storylines, I want to go around

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Speaker 1: the table and tell me each of you guys what

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Speaker 1: you think was the biggest storyline coming out of yesterday's game.

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Speaker 1: Nicholas start with you, Well, everyone's getting I probably say

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Speaker 1: the same same two things. But I mean I special

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Speaker 1: teams was the issue, and we talked about it all week.

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Speaker 1: When you have conditions like that, with the weather the

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Speaker 1: way it was, it neutralizes a lot. We had good offenses,

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Speaker 1: good defenses. It comes down to the little things and

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Speaker 1: little things of special teams, and so it just one

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Speaker 1: thing after another just continued to happen. And that's where

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Speaker 1: the biggest differences between the Patriots and the Cowboys on

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Speaker 1: the field is the special teams units, and that was

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Speaker 1: they were exposed. Dave. Yeah, I mean I wrote in

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Speaker 1: my story last night. You know, people love to call

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Speaker 1: special teams hidden yardage, but there was nothing hidden about

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Speaker 1: it last night. It was right there and playing view

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Speaker 1: for anybody to see. Just a comedy of errors, man,

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Speaker 1: I mean the I mean Bill Belichick himself said the

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Speaker 1: difference in the game was the block punt, like the

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Speaker 1: one short field the I mean, you know, the Patriots

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Speaker 1: their life. The sequence with you know, the Patriots didn't

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys beyond belief. Gave up twenty yards of fuel

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Speaker 1: position on an eventual New England field goal drive. You know,

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Speaker 1: it almost like it feels cheap, like it feels like

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Speaker 1: Hindsight's twenty twenty to sit here and harp on the

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Speaker 1: special teams. But like in the moment, in a game

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Speaker 1: out of twenty seven on third down between these two teams,

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Speaker 1: Like when nobody could buy a first down, it was

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Speaker 1: just painstakingly obvious that the Patriots had the details fine

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Speaker 1: just very unfortunate for the Cowboys. Like Nick said, when

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Speaker 1: it's not one thing, it's another. And when you talk

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Speaker 1: could have definitely won. I mean, when you see the

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Speaker 1: all of the factors that go into that, and the

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Speaker 1: coaching and all of that. This was a very winnable game.

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Speaker 1: But again, the Cowboys just can't stay out of their

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Speaker 1: again it's just cowboys stepping on their own foot and

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Speaker 1: making their own mistakes. All right, let's dive a little

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Speaker 1: was the biggest special team snaff food? Because there were

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Speaker 1: I've definitely never coached special teams, but like, I don't

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Speaker 1: know it doesn't. It just doesn't seem like such a

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Speaker 1: But it did, and it was a twenty yard difference

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's a bad thing. But they got outcoached

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Speaker 1: after the game Bill Belichick when he was talking about.

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Speaker 1: Like that's the part that to me goes well beyond

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Speaker 1: like I don't I don't know. I'm not in any

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Speaker 1: Because we talked about it earlier. Parking lot, home away,

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Speaker 1: that say be who we are. That's that doesn't work

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Speaker 1: They didn't adjust, and Belichick went into the game thinking

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Speaker 1: it doesn't do that. Now what it's a scramble drill.

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys have better football players than the Patriots. They

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Speaker 1: way they answer things. And now I'm starting to get

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Speaker 1: a frustration from all of them in the way they answer,

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Speaker 1: including Jason Garrett. Some of the things, some of the

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Speaker 1: ways he answered last night, you can just tell that

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Speaker 1: he is frustrated. And I mean, I'm not saying that's

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Speaker 1: a nice thing to be, but to do but I

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Speaker 1: don't know. It's just it's good when you get to

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Speaker 1: see that from their end and it makes you feel like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: you're not that crazy after all, or they're not that

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Speaker 1: crazy and you feel like, Okay, we're on the same tune.

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Speaker 1: And at least Jerry Jones it's not blind as to

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Speaker 1: what is going on with the coaching and you know,

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Speaker 1: so it's good to finally hear those kinds of things,

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Speaker 1: even though you're not happy about it. Yep, I think

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Speaker 1: there's from the top down. I think you get a vibe.

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Speaker 1: I mean, from Jerry Jones to the inactive players. I

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Speaker 1: think everybody knows that this team's better on paper than

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Speaker 1: what they've put on the field. And I'll be in

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00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:12,800
Speaker 1: I mean, there's five games left that can neither galvanize

447
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Speaker 1: you to get it together and play better, or I

448
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Speaker 1: mean it could tear the team apart too. We have

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Speaker 1: not seen that under Jason Garrett. Ever, that would be

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Speaker 1: new territory. And you know, the interesting part of about

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Speaker 1: that to me is I wonder how much Jerry expressing

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Speaker 1: his frustration last night has players to where they're now

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Speaker 1: looking like we kind of with thinking that, but nobody

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Speaker 1: wants to say it right, you know, when when you

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Speaker 1: hear it now from the owner, then it becomes a

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Speaker 1: situation where it's like, well, you know, yeah, there'll probably

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Speaker 1: some decisions that could have been made differently. We're not

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Speaker 1: being put in the best position to succeed. And that's

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Speaker 1: when you start really having those problems. Where does the

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Speaker 1: coach Does he have a way to pull the team

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Speaker 1: back together and make sure they don't fracture at this

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Speaker 1: point because he's not and this is probably recognizably so,

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Speaker 1: because his staff is not putting their team in the

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Speaker 1: best position. I wonder how much voice these players actually

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Speaker 1: have when they go into meetings. Do they Are they

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Speaker 1: really voicing their opinions as to like how they're being

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Speaker 1: utilized on the field. I don't know, but i'd be

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Speaker 1: curious to know. I also think we I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 1: the coaching was was not good, but let's put some

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Speaker 1: of it on me. You gotta put some on the

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Speaker 1: players too. They didn't play very well. I mean that

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Speaker 1: talk about goats, catch it, I'm sorry, catch the ball, Jason,

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Speaker 1: When you catch it the ball, that's right, And that's

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Speaker 1: that's he does, right, You expect he's gonna catch the

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Speaker 1: ball because that's the greatest thing he brings to the type.

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Speaker 1: But I mean, I'm not just trying to single out him,

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Speaker 1: but there's a lot of guys like that Tyrant Smith.

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Speaker 1: You can't get a false start penalty like that, push

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Speaker 1: the back five yards. Maha needs every yard you can get.

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Speaker 1: You can't do that that. That was a three point

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Speaker 1: penalty right there. So I mean there's I get frustration

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Speaker 1: with the coach because it's really easy to just start

483
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Speaker 1: here and then it trickles down. But these players that

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Speaker 1: are making a lot of money make make some plays.

485
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:04,920
Speaker 1: They needed you to make more play. Some of these

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Speaker 1: guys on defense, some offensive linemen they needed Dak to

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Speaker 1: step up and make plays. So all around, it was

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Speaker 1: it was a frustrating day for the coaching and the

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Speaker 1: special teams. But these players that are going to be

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Speaker 1: voted to the Pro Bowl, they didn't play that well

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Speaker 1: either yesterday at times. I mean, there were some times

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Speaker 1: that they dropped the ball too literally, I agree with

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Speaker 1: you to a point, but again, I mean the conditions

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00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:31,399
Speaker 1: made that game such a wash, I mean, and it

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Speaker 1: reminded me of the I mean, the last time they

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Speaker 1: really played in conditions like that twenty seventeen, you could point.

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Speaker 1: I mean the defense and the special teams really made

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Speaker 1: the difference in that game. They had a pick six,

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Speaker 1: they had a block field goal that got returned to

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Speaker 1: the goal line. They needed plays like that. But at

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Speaker 1: the same time, you know, Zeke had thirty five carries

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Speaker 1: in that game because it's the only thing they could do. So, no,

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Speaker 1: they the offense didn't play well. They outgained the Patriots.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's hard for me to say they

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Speaker 1: put them selves in position to win, but in conditions

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Speaker 1: like that, well you get what you Honestly, again, he

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Speaker 1: said it, it has to be defense and special teams

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Speaker 1: and games like that, and they were clearly outplayed on

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Speaker 1: defense and special teams, and that's where the difference was

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Speaker 1: in this game. Three straight games without a takeaway, and

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Speaker 1: I know what, the Cowboys were the last team in

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Speaker 1: the league to start on the opponent's side of the field.

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Speaker 1: They finally broke that streak, I think against the Giants.

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Speaker 1: But I mean, how many truly short fields has this

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Speaker 1: offense been given. It's a testament to how good they've

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Speaker 1: been most of the year, that they've been so good

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Speaker 1: despite that, I mean, they're driving the field every time,

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Speaker 1: and I hate to blame the defense. They gave up

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Speaker 1: thirteen points. I really feel like they did their job.

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Speaker 1: But in games like that, you've got to create short fields,

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Speaker 1: and it did not. Just so you have a frame

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Speaker 1: of referenced, the Cowboys average starting fil position was their

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Speaker 1: own twenty one average starting field position, for the Patriots

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Speaker 1: their own forty one, as twenty yards difference in their

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Speaker 1: star average starting field position. Two of their drives are

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Speaker 1: in Cowboys territory, one of them in the red zone exactly,

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Speaker 1: So I mean that's your difference in the game. Again,

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Speaker 1: a game like that, everybody was having, you know, drops

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Speaker 1: and misques. I mean, Edelman dropped a couple of passes,

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Speaker 1: So it happens in those kinds of situations. I just

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Speaker 1: able to overcome that. Specifically, we just special teams and

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Speaker 1: playing a film position game, and that's where coaching becomes

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Speaker 1: so important. We're gonna take our final break when we

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Speaker 1: come back. I do want to dive a little deeper

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Speaker 1: into some of the coaching decisions that were made in

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Speaker 1: that game and get some opinions from you guys on

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Speaker 1: how egregious they were. We'll talk about that when we

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Speaker 1: It's like we buried the lead. It's forty minutes. No

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Speaker 1: one's talking about the fourth and seven. All right, let's

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00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 1: talk about that. Let's talk about some of these coaching decisions.

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Speaker 1: The first one that Nick obviously wants to talk about

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Speaker 1: is the fourth and well, I mean Cowboys. Cowboys make

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00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:19,959
Speaker 1: the decision that they want to kick a field goal

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Speaker 1: on fourth and seven. They're in the fourth quarter. It

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00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 1: was six something left in the game, and they decided

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Speaker 1: they want to go for a field goal. Howard Gregious,

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Speaker 1: was that mistake? If you believe that it was a mistake,

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Speaker 1: Nick took the words right out of my mouth, So

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Speaker 1: you just go ahead and say it. I just I

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Speaker 1: believe that Jason said if it was more manageable, they

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Speaker 1: would have gone for it. That's their fault that it's

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Speaker 1: not manageable. I don't don't hate the fourth and seven

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Speaker 1: field goal. I hate the fact that they made it

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Speaker 1: fourth and seven. They didn't have to. It's a rainy,

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00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 1: wet game. They can't throw, they can't snap, they can't catch.

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Speaker 1: So how about we run the football, keep running in

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Speaker 1: on third down, on second down, and then maybe it's

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Speaker 1: fourth and two for it. Maybe it's first down, who knows,

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00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 1: it's a totally different situation. They decide that Dak wants

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Speaker 1: to run around and throw it to Blake Jarwin bet

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Speaker 1: in the back of the end zone. He doesn't have

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Speaker 1: the awareness to make that play. Jason Witten doesn't have

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Speaker 1: the ability to make sliding catches behind Gilmore. That's not

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Speaker 1: gonna happen. They didn't. They didn't do a good job

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Speaker 1: of setting that up. So that's all you know. And

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Speaker 1: I still would have gone for it on fourth and seven,

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Speaker 1: but it didn't have to be fourth and seven. The

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Speaker 1: whole series should have been predicated on the thought that

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Speaker 1: they were going to go for it on fourth down. Yes,

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Speaker 1: um yeah, Like I don't think they would have picked

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Speaker 1: up a fourth and seven. So I can't kill them

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Speaker 1: for kicking the field goal, Like I don't want I

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Speaker 1: didn't want them to, but I think it's asinine to

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Speaker 1: think that they were going to pick up eight yards

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Speaker 1: after what we'd seen all day. But you don't have

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Speaker 1: to throw it to Blake Jarwin with two guys on

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Speaker 1: him in the back of the end zone. You could

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Speaker 1: scramble maybe, honestly, maybe pick up the first down six

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Speaker 1: yards at the very least and set up a fourth

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Speaker 1: and manageable. How about this. I love creativity, misdirection, all

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Speaker 1: that cool stuff. But they've tried the freaking They've tried

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Speaker 1: the option about five times this year and it never works. Ever,

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Speaker 1: it has not worked once. They did it against the

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Speaker 1: Jets on a fourth down, I believe, and it blew

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Speaker 1: up in their face. They've run it at least four

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Speaker 1: times this year, and I would bet a paycheck that

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Speaker 1: the longest it's gained is like three yards. So get

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Speaker 1: rid of that, please. But they all four of those

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Speaker 1: play calls should have been predicated on getting that first down,

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Speaker 1: because again, you talk about taking the pulse of your

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Speaker 1: team and something Brian always used to still does love

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Speaker 1: to say, knowing the situation. And I just think, and

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Speaker 1: to Jason Garrett's credit, it worked out. They got the

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Speaker 1: ball back, But you're again, you're I mean, they would

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Speaker 1: have had to have driven ninety five yards. Even if

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Speaker 1: a Mari makes that catch, they're still sixty yards away

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00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 1: from Payder with a minute something to play. It's doable.

640
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 1: But why not just go put yourself in this position

641
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 1: to win the game right there? It's a way better

642
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 1: chance you're gonna pick up twenty yards and score a

643
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 1: touchdown with three minutes to play. Give your defense a

644
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 1: chance to pin their ears back and go after Tom

645
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 1: Brady because he's gonna need to get down the field.

646
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 1: I like your odds of winning that way better. Then Okay, well,

647
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 1: if we force this three and out and play this perfectly,

648
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 1: then we'll have a chance to drive ninety yards to

649
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 1: score a touchdown. I don't buy that. Still don't hate

650
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 1: the decision to kick on fourth and seven because of

651
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 1: the way the offense has been playing, But all of

652
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 1: your decision making up to that point should have been

653
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 1: about four down territory. In my opinion, I still look

654
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 1: at it though, if you would have been fourth and seven,

655
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 1: even if they don't get the fourth and seven, I

656
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 1: look at it as you force you end up giving

657
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 1: them the ball there at the eleven yard line, So

658
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 1: most likely they're just at that point trying to solve

659
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: the game away. You probably get the ball back, you

660
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: probably still have an opportunity to do exactly what you

661
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 1: would have wanted to do anyway. So you're already down there.

662
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,239
Speaker 1: It's not likely you're going to drive all the way

663
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 1: back down there again take a shot, and again, I

664
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 1: think it goes back to what you were saying, Nick,

665
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 1: You have to be aware that you're going to do

666
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 1: that early on, and then you create two You call

667
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 1: two players that you think can get you a little closer,

668
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 1: one that can get you a little closer than seven yards,

669
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 1: and then a fourth and three, fourth and four you

670
00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,239
Speaker 1: feel a little bit better about. So I do think

671
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 1: it's probably the decision, and that's where it starts getting

672
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 1: to these these conversations of analytics. I know there's been

673
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 1: a lot of conversation about that. Today. Jason was asked

674
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 1: about it, said that that's not something they really use

675
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 1: in that way. But when you think about it, you

676
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 1: know the Patriots they have analytics people who are talking

677
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 1: their coach throughout the game. The Baltimore Ravens analytics people

678
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 1: talking to the coaches throughout the game. It makes you

679
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:25,719
Speaker 1: wonder why the Cowboys wouldn't utilize that sort of technology.

680
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 1: That's sort of just you know, understanding the game in

681
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 1: a different way to give you the best opportunity to

682
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 1: win based upon math, based on the probability. Because their

683
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 1: head coach thinks that he is that guy because he

684
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 1: went to Princeton and all, I mean, maybe he thinks

685
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 1: he is that guy. I'm not saying I don't know this.

686
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not having lemonated with Jason Garrett about

687
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: stuff like that, so I don't know. But I'm just

688
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 1: saying it's hard. I mean, he's been around football forever.

689
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 1: I don't know how those coaches think about a guy

690
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 1: sitting up their moneyball like telling them that this is

691
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 1: a good I don't know, and I don't even know

692
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 1: if that's a good way to do it. I don't

693
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: know if John on Hardball does it. In Baltimore says Okay,

694
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 1: I mean, well, the way I look at what I

695
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 1: look at is there's not a CEO in America that

696
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 1: doesn't have people that are giving him information and then

697
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 1: he ultimately makes a decision. Just because you get the

698
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 1: information doesn't mean you have to use it. So if

699
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,839
Speaker 1: a coach gets the information from let's say a person

700
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:19,320
Speaker 1: that knows the probabilities, and says, hey, based on the

701
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 1: what I'm seeing in the game, here's the probability of

702
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 1: what you should do right here, Jason could still overrule

703
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 1: that and say, you know, my guts just telling me

704
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:27,760
Speaker 1: to do something. Difference, head Coat, he has the ability

705
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:29,840
Speaker 1: to do that. John Harbor The Athletic wrote about this

706
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 1: last week. John Harbaw's got a guy that's younger than

707
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 1: me giving him the win probabilities of every outcome of

708
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 1: every play throughout it. And did you hear what his

709
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 1: training was in? It wasn't just probability. Something he was

710
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 1: behavioral I think was behavioral sciences or something like that.

711
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 1: But the point was he's not just thinking about the probabilities.

712
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,320
Speaker 1: He's also thinking about human behavior and how human behavior

713
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 1: factors into probability, which he also I mean, you know

714
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 1: we're going way back, but like week four or five,

715
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 1: the Ravens played the Chiefs and they went for it

716
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 1: on fourth down like five times. They didn't get a

717
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 1: lot of them. They lost the game. Harbaugh talked about it.

718
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:02,959
Speaker 1: He was like, yeah, you know, we listen to those guys,

719
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 1: and a lot of it is my gut, but at

720
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 1: some point the numbers kind of tell you what the

721
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,479
Speaker 1: right course of action is. Right more than the fourth

722
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 1: and seven. To me, the worst play of the game

723
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:15,800
Speaker 1: I think that affected the entire game was third and

724
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 1: one at the thirty five yard line at the two

725
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 1: minute warning. The team that is supposed to be a

726
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 1: run football team, that's physical. That's the only thing they're

727
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 1: really doing well. Third and one. They got to run

728
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 1: the football there. They don't do that. And then yeah,

729
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 1: they get the first down. That's great. But I guarantee you,

730
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 1: I don't care what the tripping call was. I guarantee

731
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:38,799
Speaker 1: you that's not tripping. If you run the football, you're

732
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,800
Speaker 1: setting yourself up for a situation. Now it's third and eleven.

733
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 1: I am looking at it now. That's not a trip.

734
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:46,879
Speaker 1: That's not a trip. It might be an attempted trip,

735
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 1: but it wasn't a trip. Putting your knee up like that,

736
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: Dion Sanders did it for thirty years. Putting your knee

737
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 1: up like that is not a trip. It looks like

738
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 1: you might have thought about it, but that isn't a trip.

739
00:35:58,120 --> 00:35:59,879
Speaker 1: You know what's funny is I said There's some people

740
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 1: on Twitter. They're like, we're really killing them for throwing,

741
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:04,360
Speaker 1: when two weeks ago that's all we wanted them to do.

742
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 1: And I'm like, yeah, yeah, it was working. Throwing was

743
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 1: working against the Vikings in a dome. R running was

744
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 1: working against the Patriots outdoors. I guess you had to

745
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 1: be there to know how many. I think I see shrimp.

746
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,399
Speaker 1: I think I see one down lineman on that play.

747
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 1: The Cowboy. I gave Kella Moore credit. During the game,

748
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 1: they ran a draw in a similar situation and picked

749
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,800
Speaker 1: up five yards on a third and short. Zeke was

750
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 1: averaging four yards per carry. The run was really the

751
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 1: only thing they were doing with any consistency. They were

752
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 1: averaging four point two as a team. I think um

753
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:37,840
Speaker 1: and the past worked. I get it, it was a

754
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 1: bad call, but I there's so many more moving parts,

755
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 1: and on a night, on a night when nobody could

756
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:46,399
Speaker 1: hang onto the ball, I just I think I would

757
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 1: have run the ball. I will say this, I would Yeah,

758
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:51,320
Speaker 1: I would have run the ball twice in that scenario

759
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,359
Speaker 1: had it gotten to fourth and short. I will say

760
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:54,839
Speaker 1: this about the tripping, and you and I we talked

761
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 1: about this a little bit off air a few minutes ago.

762
00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:59,879
Speaker 1: I heard, um, I think it was Rob A. Wreck

763
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 1: Ryan this morning on the air on NFL Network talking

764
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 1: about the far as ESPN talking about the fact that

765
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 1: that he had people that told him that essentially, the

766
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: tripping was something that Belichick had noticed throughout throughout his

767
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 1: preparation his film study on the Cowboys, and because of

768
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 1: that sent in some clips to the league, and so

769
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:24,359
Speaker 1: the league then it tells their referees, Okay, here's something

770
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 1: that this coach is noticing. Be aware of it. And

771
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 1: that all makes sense to me because when you see

772
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 1: a clip like that and you see the tripping call,

773
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 1: you see right there, Travis Frederick's leg goes out. To me,

774
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 1: that looks like the referee saw the leg go out.

775
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 1: He didn't actually trip him, but he saw the leg

776
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 1: go out, and he's like, oh, yeah, that's what That's

777
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 1: what we've been talking about this week. Bam, here goes

778
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 1: to flag and a similar thing could have happened with

779
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:48,439
Speaker 1: Tyren Smith. It didn't really look like a tripping call.

780
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,320
Speaker 1: But if you're alerted to something and told, hey, this

781
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,919
Speaker 1: is something the Cowboys are doing regularly in these kinds

782
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 1: of situations, be aware of it same guy, then the

783
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 1: refs are gonna be looking for that particular call, right, Okay,

784
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 1: it's the same exact player for the Patriots. Yeah, I

785
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 1: see it in high Tower, the same guy. I mean,

786
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:07,840
Speaker 1: he's the one that goes in here and here. On

787
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:09,840
Speaker 1: this play with Tyrn Smith, he just goes down. I

788
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,840
Speaker 1: mean that. But you see in both instances though, he

789
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 1: goes down and the leg is out there a little bit,

790
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 1: so it makes sense. But again that goes back to coaching.

791
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:21,360
Speaker 1: Like when you see those kinds of things and you

792
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 1: can create these these things that the rest now have

793
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 1: to pay attention to, it creates an opportunity for you,

794
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:29,880
Speaker 1: maybe to get these kinds of calls right in a

795
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 1: game that features like what how many games? How many

796
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 1: plays did they run in this game? Total? Like one

797
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:38,439
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty? Yeah, I hate even you know, even

798
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 1: take it all the way back to the NFC title

799
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 1: game last year, like everybody, you know the terrible call

800
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,799
Speaker 1: the Saints should have had it. I get that game

801
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 1: went to overtime and Drew Brees through a terrible interception.

802
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 1: Nobody ever talks about that. Like I hate, I mean,

803
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 1: I hate zeroing in on one play and like acting

804
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 1: like that's the reason why you lose a game. Very

805
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,879
Speaker 1: similar to that situation, and I'm member the Saints Rams game.

806
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 1: The problem I had was was Peyton throwing the ball?

807
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,839
Speaker 1: I mean to me, it goes down to, Okay, well

808
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 1: you know your kid went into this yard and the

809
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 1: dog bit their hand, and like, oh why did the

810
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 1: dog bright? Well let's well back up, why are they

811
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 1: in the yard, Like, let's go. You don't have to

812
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 1: do that. You don't have to pass on third and

813
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:17,879
Speaker 1: one to set that up. The Patriots or the Saints

814
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 1: didn't have to pass down there early on to to

815
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 1: even let that thing happen. So I always kind of

816
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 1: take it back a player or two. I just think

817
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: third and one they should have run the ball. They

818
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 1: should have two plays to get a first down and

819
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 1: get this thing rolling, and they didn't, you know. And

820
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 1: then a Mari Cooper, we haven't talked about that. We

821
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 1: don't know why he got shut out, so um they

822
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: out went. We're kind of we're running short on time.

823
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 1: But I don't like, am I crazy? I just like

824
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 1: I have no beef with a Mari having the game

825
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 1: that he had. Honestly, I know, like you you're all

826
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 1: pros are supposed to step up. Yeah, you're crazy for that, Okay,

827
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 1: I think. I mean, but if we're gonna, if we're gonna,

828
00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 1: if this guy's gonna be worth twenty million a year, like,

829
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:05,360
Speaker 1: shouldn't he make a play? I mean, well, he was

830
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:07,359
Speaker 1: in a situation where he wasn't getting targets. He can't

831
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 1: throw the ball himself though, or he can get targets,

832
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 1: he can get old. So are you saying he wasn't open,

833
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 1: because I don't know that that he wasn't open as

834
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 1: much as maybe you just didn't throw him the ball.

835
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:17,320
Speaker 1: I mean, he caught a pass that tyrant on the

836
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 1: on the tyrant holding, we don't have that one, but

837
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 1: the tyrant hold that that wiped out, he did have

838
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 1: a catch there, and he had a chance. He was

839
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 1: targeted here in fourth and eleven and would have been

840
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 1: a great catch. It would happen him. And that's a

841
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,839
Speaker 1: tough catch to making those conditions. So I don't kill

842
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:33,839
Speaker 1: him too much for that one. But but I need

843
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:35,320
Speaker 1: my guy him to make it. I get it, but

844
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 1: I will I will tell you this too, and that

845
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 1: he was asked this question after the game, like don't

846
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 1: you think that do you get frustrated that um that

847
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 1: they don't scheme up ways to get you open, because

848
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: they I would assume they could. He was like, yeah,

849
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 1: you can get anybody like you can try to scheme

850
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 1: up whoever you want to scheme up to get opportunities.

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Speaker 1: He said, Now, in conditions like it was a day,

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Speaker 1: I'm not certain that would have been the best thing.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they were running the ball effectively and again,

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Speaker 1: and this this is a friends. I think in a

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Speaker 1: is going to be don't mess it up on offense,

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Speaker 1: take advantage of opportunities, and you gotta be able to

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Speaker 1: play a clean game on your special teams in defense,

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Speaker 1: and you got to be able to hopefully create some

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Speaker 1: some bad take advantage of some bad situations for your

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Speaker 1: opponent in those situations to get yourself a short field.

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Speaker 1: It was exactly what the Patriots did in that kind

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Speaker 1: of game. You're not gonna move the ball a ton.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know that him getting more targets necessarily

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Speaker 1: makes that game any better, because I don't know the

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Speaker 1: quarterback was going to consistently be able to get it

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Speaker 1: to him in a catchable way. I mean, that wasn't

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Speaker 1: Dak's best game either, and probably because of the field conditions.

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Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, they just have

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Speaker 1: to they have to figure out how to win those

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Speaker 1: close games. And that's a lot more about all the

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Speaker 1: other things that go into a game than it is

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Speaker 1: about getting Amari Cooper more targets. In my opinion, I

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Speaker 1: think that's letting them off the hook. He's supposed to

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Speaker 1: be an All World player. He had two targets. He

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Speaker 1: didn't make a catch in the game. He got shadow

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Speaker 1: advices Gilmore, who had more catches than him in the game.

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Speaker 1: I think that's bad. I mean, I put some of

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Speaker 1: that on him. He's got to beat the best cornerback

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Speaker 1: in the game, especially when the conditions are what they are.

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Speaker 1: Imagine if you're a cornerback back pedaling trying to cover

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Speaker 1: this guy, you should have an advantage. And he I mean,

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Speaker 1: I need him to make more plays. In that game,

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Speaker 1: they threw thirty three times. I'd like to think he

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Speaker 1: would be open some of that and be able to

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Speaker 1: make a play. I mean, Gallup was making some plays.

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Speaker 1: I get Gilmore is tough, but I mean, if if

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Speaker 1: Cooper is an elite receiver, like he's about to be paid.

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Speaker 1: He needs to make more plays in that game. This

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Speaker 1: is my take. I don't killing him for it, but

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Speaker 1: he's gonna have great game against Buffalo and all. I

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Speaker 1: get it. But I'm just saying they needed all of

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Speaker 1: their playmakers to step up there and didn't happen enough.

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Speaker 1: Didn't happen enough yet not all right. We appreciate you, guys. Jonas.

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Speaker 1: We're back tomorrow. We're gonna start getting ready for this Baltimore.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sorry for this Bills game. Dave. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna doing the baalt I mean, the Bills offense tomorrow

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Speaker 1: and then the Bill's defense on Wednesday till then for

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Speaker 1: Nick Even, Dave Helm and Amber Garcia. I'm Derek Held

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