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Guys joining us now to 18 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 1: talk about his blockbuster hit movie Don't Look Up and 19 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 1: some of the interesting conversation around it. Is Daily Poster's 20 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 1: own David. Great to see you, David, good to see you. Okay, 21 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 1: So first let's put the stats up on the screen. 22 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 1: I think we have. This thing has been a monumental success. 23 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 1: Here are the numbers. This is the tweet says this 24 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 1: is wild climate metaphor movie. Don't look up now. At 25 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:20,320 Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty two million hours viewed on Netflix. 26 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:23,399 Speaker 1: This is nearly forty million hours more than the next 27 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 1: nine most popular shows combined. This is one of their 28 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:31,400 Speaker 1: biggest releases in history. What do you make of the 29 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 1: response and why do you think it struck such a nerve. Well, 30 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: it's fantastic. It's frankly, it's It's a much larger response 31 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:41,040 Speaker 1: than I ever thought, and I'm thrilled about that. I 32 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 1: think that this movie speaks to a lot of different 33 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 1: things that people can relate to. I think a lot 34 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 1: of folks across the political spectrum feel like the media 35 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 1: doesn't take serious issues seriously. I feel like a lot 36 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 1: of people across the political spectrum feel like the government 37 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 1: doesn't take a serious issues seriously, and ultimately, this movie 38 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 1: is really about that. I mean, there is a climate 39 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 1: metaphor at play here, which is that we know climate 40 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 1: change is happening, the government and the media doesn't take 41 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:15,799 Speaker 1: it seriously. But underneath that narrative is really whether we 42 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:19,360 Speaker 1: as a society are willing to stipulate basic facts and 43 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 1: use those facts to constructively make policy and do things 44 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 1: to address crises. And I think that's a kind of 45 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 1: a universal message. The only people that that message really, 46 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 1: I think probably bothers are people who are creating the problem. 47 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:37,639 Speaker 1: And I think there's been one analysis that I've seen 48 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:39,240 Speaker 1: in the movie that I think really gets it right 49 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 1: that our movie isn't really about the alleged ignorance of 50 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 1: the vast mass public. Our movie is really about how 51 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 1: elites and institutions essentially do not operate in the public interest. Yeah. Well, 52 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 1: it's been interesting too. The response has not been neatly 53 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:03,800 Speaker 1: divided along partisan lines. So we have a tear sheet 54 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 1: I think from National Review, which is a conservative publicator. Oh, 55 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:10,519 Speaker 1: this is New York Magazine liberal Eric Levitz, who's sort 56 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 1: of like left liberal. I think you'd describe him as 57 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 1: he says, don't look up, doesn't get the climate crisis. 58 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 1: And basically his critique here, which I found a little strange, 59 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 1: is that you're not literally talking about the climate crisis. 60 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 1: So some of the dynamics are different, and it's like, well, yeah, 61 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:27,239 Speaker 1: it's an allegory, so okay, that's fine. So a liberal 62 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:30,119 Speaker 1: who panned it in certain regards, and then you had 63 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 1: National Review, Conservative publication, we have that tear sheet as well, 64 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 1: and they published a review of it by Kevin D. 65 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 1: Williamson that was very, very favorable. So why do you 66 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 1: think it has scrambled some of the normal political circuitry 67 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 1: Because I look, because I think that it's a message 68 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 1: that maybe potentially polarizes people when it comes to who 69 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 1: they see themselves through in this movie. I think that's 70 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 1: really the key. When you watch this movie, the question 71 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 1: becomes for the audience, who do you align with? Who 72 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 1: are you watching this movie through? Which character are you 73 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 1: watching this movie through? And I think lots of people 74 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 1: go in and they see the movie through the eyes 75 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 1: of the scientists. Some people maybe see the movie through 76 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 1: the eyes of the media, which faces some criticism in 77 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:23,599 Speaker 1: this movie. And look, we knew that this movie was 78 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 1: going to create a kind of emotional, polarized, intense response. 79 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 1: And you know what, that's good If this movie creates 80 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:38,160 Speaker 1: conversations around how we value science, around the climate crisis, 81 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 1: around the pandemic, and how we've dealt with that. That 82 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:44,159 Speaker 1: is frankly, that is the point of a film. That 83 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 1: is the point of art, is to actually get people 84 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:51,479 Speaker 1: to start thinking. This movie is not about preaching about 85 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 1: you know, here's a specific set of policies that need 86 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:57,279 Speaker 1: to be done. We respect the idea that the audience 87 00:04:57,400 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 1: comes to this movie, and what we want to do 88 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:05,119 Speaker 1: is kind of promote and prompt thought critical thinking. Here's 89 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 1: what I think is also really important, David, is when 90 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:12,360 Speaker 1: I was at MSNBC, I was routinely told climate doesn't rate, 91 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 1: meaning like, maah, we can do the occasional climate change segment, 92 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 1: but the audience this is like feeding the audience vegetables. 93 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 1: They really don't want to hear it. They're going to 94 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:23,840 Speaker 1: tune out, So better to cover, you know, whatever nonsense 95 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:28,040 Speaker 1: is happening in the sort of political reality TV world. 96 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:32,479 Speaker 1: You just made a film that is an allegory for 97 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 1: climate change, that makes a lot of really stalely important 98 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:39,839 Speaker 1: points about how we've failed as a society to deal 99 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 1: with that threat and other number of significant threats facing 100 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:46,600 Speaker 1: us and threat facing the world. And it is one 101 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 1: of the most popular things that Netflix has ever put out, 102 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 1: which I think proves the point that if you cover 103 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 1: climate in the right way, actually people are extremely interested 104 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:00,280 Speaker 1: in what is going on in this front. I would 105 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 1: argue that the that the vast viewership of the movie 106 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 1: is validates the idea that there is a pent up 107 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 1: demand for things that touch on the climate crisis, that 108 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 1: we've that we've actually created a discourse in the country 109 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 1: where we've suppressed this fear and right right correct fear 110 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 1: of climate change to the point that we don't talk 111 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 1: about it because it's an uncomfortable, scary topic. And I 112 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 1: think the reception to the movie shows that people actually 113 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 1: do want to think about it, do want to talk 114 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:34,359 Speaker 1: about it. And my point when it comes to the 115 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:38,040 Speaker 1: media in particular is yes, there is good climate reporting 116 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 1: out there that pops up periodically, these big spreads, these 117 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 1: big investigations, that's all really important. I think what this 118 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:48,279 Speaker 1: movie speaks to is is that is that there's not 119 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:52,040 Speaker 1: necessarily that coverage baked into the day to day coverage 120 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:54,920 Speaker 1: that we do have day to day coverage of the economy, 121 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 1: we do have day to day coverage of foreign policy, 122 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:02,480 Speaker 1: but there is not merely an day to day coverage 123 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 1: of the climate crisis. And by that I mean when 124 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: a politician says something about a bill, one of the 125 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 1: top questions is always well, how will that affect the economy? 126 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 1: Another top question should be well, how is that going 127 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 1: to affect the livable ecosystem that supports all human life? 128 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 1: And so the hope is is that one of the 129 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 1: takeaways of this movie is that if media folks are 130 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 1: watching this is is for them to ask, how can 131 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 1: we put climate coverage and the coverage of science into 132 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 1: our day to day coverage as opposed to coordinating it 133 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 1: off as a kind of special topic area. How do 134 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 1: we build it into the day to day coverage. I 135 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 1: think that's very interesting to think about and really important 136 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 1: as someone who you know is you're covering the news, 137 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: and I'm sure can do a better job in many 138 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 1: of these respects myself something I'm definitely going to continue 139 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 1: to do it. Look, you guys do a great job, 140 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 1: but I will say this, I'm a journalist too. Making 141 00:07:57,240 --> 00:08:00,120 Speaker 1: this movie has made me think about how I can 142 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 1: do a better job. So the point is not to 143 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 1: necessarily pick out individuals and say, oh, you know this 144 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 1: or that set of organizations are doing good and these aren't. 145 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 1: It's to say, hey, we should all be thinking about 146 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 1: how we can all put this into the coverage that 147 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 1: we do. Yes, indeed, congrats on its success. I'm happy 148 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 1: for you personally as a friend, but I'm also happy 149 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 1: because there are really important messages in this film. It's 150 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 1: clearly struck a chord. It's clearly struck a nerve among 151 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 1: some people who found it a little too I guess 152 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 1: on the nose into uncomfortable. But you know, this type 153 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 1: of content that's consumed by a really broad ranging audience 154 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 1: I think is so incredibly important. So thanks for pushing 155 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 1: yourself onto your comfort zone and getting involved with this, 156 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 1: because I think it's been really important. Thanks so much. 157 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 1: I really appreciate it my pleasure, and thank you guys 158 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 1: so much for watching. We're gonna have more for you later. 159 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:55,479 Speaker 1: One of the great pathologies that we have in society 160 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:59,079 Speaker 1: today is the need to be forced to apologize for 161 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 1: something that you didn't necessarily do wrong, especially whenever it's 162 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:05,320 Speaker 1: only a tiny little group that is upset in the 163 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 1: first place. And what we're seeing right now is just 164 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 1: one of the perfect examples of this. Comedian Patton Oswald, 165 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 1: who has known fellow comedian Dave Chappelle for thirty four 166 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:19,960 Speaker 1: years ran into Dave at a comedy place and took 167 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 1: a photo with him and posted it on his Instagram. 168 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 1: We have that photo. Let's go ahead and put that 169 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 1: up there on the screen. These two guys are both 170 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 1: from Washington, DC. He just said, finish my set. I 171 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 1: got a text from Dave Chappelle. Come over to the 172 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 1: arena he's performing next door. Do a guest set. Why not? 173 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 1: I waved goodbye to this hell year with a genius. 174 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 1: I started with comedy with thirty four years ago. Then 175 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 1: he posts a follow up with a long essay that 176 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 1: we have there, and he apologizes for posting a photo 177 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 1: with Dave. He says, I saw a friend I hadn't 178 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 1: seen in a long time this New Year's Eve. We've 179 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 1: known each other since we were teens. He's a comedian, 180 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 1: thirty four years. We've been friends, on and on and on. 181 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 1: He eventually goes to the point of I'm an LGBTQ ally, 182 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 1: I'm a loyal friend. There's a friction in those traits. 183 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 1: I am sorry, truly sorry. I didn't consider this hurt 184 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 1: that this would cause, or the depth of that hurt. 185 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 1: I've been messaging a lot on IG today the back 186 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 1: and forth has really helped me guide and basically, Crystal, 187 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 1: here's the thing. You've been friends with somebody for thirty 188 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:20,080 Speaker 1: four years, you tell people who were upset at you 189 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 1: to say, hey, he's my friend for thirty four years, 190 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 1: to shut your freaking mouth. You know, I don't know 191 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 1: what it's like. This is a pathology. I don't know what. 192 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:30,680 Speaker 1: I don't know what how we can survive and live 193 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:32,719 Speaker 1: this way If you're forced to denounce people in the 194 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 1: public square just because you take a photo with somebody 195 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 1: who's your friend of a long time doesn't mean you agree. 196 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 1: It's crazy because right like we all have to screen 197 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 1: every person that we interact with or I have a 198 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:47,559 Speaker 1: photo with for every one of their views to make 199 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 1: sure that they're I mean, it really is, who is 200 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 1: he harming by no mosting a photo with Dave Chappelle, 201 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: who's been friends with for more than three decades and 202 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 1: so And here's the part that really is perditious about 203 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 1: this and why it bothers me, is like instead of organizing, 204 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 1: instead of creating movements, instead of building allies, which by 205 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 1: the way, I did not agree with everything Dave Chappelle said, 206 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 1: and his special either but Dave Chappelle broadly supports basic 207 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:27,079 Speaker 1: LGBTQ rights and could be a potential ally in certain respects. 208 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:29,680 Speaker 1: Rather than trying to reach out to people who don't 209 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 1: already agree with you, building a coalition which is always 210 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:36,320 Speaker 1: uncomfortable and has got to involve tension and disagreements and 211 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 1: all of that, all of the energy, I shouldn't say, ah, 212 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:42,359 Speaker 1: a lot of energy goes to this type of politics, 213 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:46,680 Speaker 1: which is actually antipological, bully, makes no difference in the world, 214 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 1: zero difference in the world. And by the way, after 215 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:55,079 Speaker 1: Patent posted his soul searching apology, and look, I mean, 216 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 1: this is the guy who's clearly trying to figure out 217 00:11:57,320 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 1: what's the right thing to do here, and I want 218 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 1: to be good. All the stuff right after posting a 219 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 1: soul searching apology wasn't enough for people, No, of course 220 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 1: not no it was deleted or because he took it 221 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 1: in the first because exactly, and so again, this is 222 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 1: the opposite of politics. This is the opposite of coalition building. 223 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:20,560 Speaker 1: This is the opposite of trying to build and grow 224 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 1: a movement that can actually accomplish change. And I kind 225 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:26,319 Speaker 1: of get where it comes from. It comes from this 226 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 1: sense of like frustration and impotence and politics is broken 227 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 1: and you feel like there's you know, nothing. At least 228 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 1: this is a little area where you can exercise some 229 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:41,439 Speaker 1: power and force this individual to do something. But ultimately 230 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 1: it is wildly counterproductive. And that's why it is as 231 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 1: someone who believes in LGBTQ rights and certainly believes in 232 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 1: you know, economic and social justice, this is wildly counterproductive. 233 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 1: I mean, one of the hallmarks of a totalitarian movement 234 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 1: is when you start to denounce people who are your 235 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 1: longtime friends, associates around you. It's sickness for the minorist 236 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 1: of for exactly for the most minor of infractions in 237 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 1: which you denounced somebody. I mean, he took a photo 238 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 1: with the guy they said they've been friends for thirty 239 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 1: four years. I didn't even know this. They're both from 240 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 1: here in Washington, d C. Pretty interesting. That does not 241 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:23,320 Speaker 1: mean you agree with somebody. I see people who I've 242 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:25,959 Speaker 1: worked with in many businesses over the years on the street. 243 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 1: Sometimes I'm like, hey, man, how you doing, what's going 244 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 1: or hey, you know what's going on? Sometimes I call 245 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 1: them they asked me for career advice, or I ask 246 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 1: them what's happening. That doesn't mean that we agree. I 247 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 1: just want to see them succeed. It's like somebody who 248 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 1: came up. Now, look somebody says something really egregious or whatever, 249 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:42,080 Speaker 1: and then yeah, maybe you say, hey, look like I 250 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 1: just don't agree all of that. But if you see 251 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 1: somebody you take a photo in that To then publicly 252 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 1: denounce somebody who you proclaim is your friend of thirty 253 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:55,320 Speaker 1: four years, I think that's cowardice in the utmost A, 254 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 1: it didn't even work, but B you cannot have and 255 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 1: live in a society like this period if you are 256 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 1: expected to screen every single one of your longtime friends. 257 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 1: The proper response from somebody that you've known and fought 258 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 1: in the trenches with or whatever for this long is 259 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 1: to say, screw you, he's my friend, or or don't 260 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 1: post it at all. But once you have to go 261 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 1: ahead and backtrack, it's sickness. I really think it's awful 262 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 1: engage with people rather than shunning and censoring them. Ultimately, 263 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 1: if you care about moving the country forward, that's going 264 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 1: to be a lot more productive. And that's why it's 265 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 1: frustrating that we've moved so far in the opposite direction. 266 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 1: It's very very sad. Okay, all right, guys, thanks so 267 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 1: much for watching. Have a great day. So there's a 268 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 1: new movie on a documentary of the unlikely presidential run 269 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 1: of the late great national American hero in my opinion, 270 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 1: Mike Gravel is called American Gadfly, and the director Skywallen 271 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 1: joins us. Now, great to see you, Sky, Good to 272 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 1: see you, Sky, Good to see you. All right, So 273 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 1: before I forget, just tell people first where they can 274 00:14:57,320 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 1: watch this film, because I watched it and it is wonderful. 275 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 1: I think it's a wonderful reflection on him, on the 276 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 1: young people who ran his campaign and what it was 277 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 1: all about. It's incredibly charming. So just first tell people 278 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 1: where they can watch it. Sure, well, we just launched 279 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 1: in North America on all the major internet streaming platforms iTunes, Prime, 280 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 1: Amazon Prime, Google Play, YouTube, Voodoo a bunch of them, 281 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 1: also on cable, vod and you can get a DVD 282 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 1: or Blu Ray if you want one of those on Amazon. 283 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 1: So whoa, yeah, so we got most of the most 284 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 1: of the platform, all the places, all right, So why 285 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 1: did you want to make this film? What was the 286 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 1: story that you found compelling that you wanted to tell 287 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 1: I mean, I always wanted to make a story about Mike. 288 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 1: And you know, I was in high school in seven 289 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 1: eight the Rock War was, you know, I was just 290 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 1: sort of coming to awareness about the illegal and this 291 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 1: this horrible tragedy of war. And yeah, so I was 292 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 1: really paying attention to the presidential candidates who would replace 293 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 1: George Bush. And Mike Gravel was up there throwing rocks 294 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 1: and really calling out Democratic Party establishment figures for who 295 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 1: were paying lip service to wanting to end the war. 296 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 1: And George Bush is you know, over extended himself. Mike 297 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 1: was saying, well, you you're saying this, but you're not 298 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 1: doing anything to end this war, actually, And so I 299 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 1: really respected him for that, and I went back saw 300 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 1: his history, read about his role in opposing the Vietnam War, 301 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 1: reading the Pentagon Papers into the record, and you know, 302 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 1: for years, I you know, I became a filmmaker, and 303 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 1: Mike was always in the back of my mind. Got 304 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 1: to do a project about him. I don't know what 305 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 1: it is, write a script about his role in the 306 00:16:56,760 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 1: Pentagon Papers maybe or something. And you know, in twenty nineteen, 307 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 1: I read in the Rolling Stone teenagers have drafted Mike 308 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:09,719 Speaker 1: to run for president again. Mike was eighty eight at 309 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:13,120 Speaker 1: the time, and I thought, wow, this could be really 310 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 1: funny and like a good way to tell Mike's story 311 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 1: but in a contemporary lens, also about youth and democracy 312 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 1: and sort of a goony's take on Washington establishment. And yeah, 313 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 1: so it kind of worked out perfectly. So we tell 314 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:33,879 Speaker 1: two stories, Mike's story and a story about kids and 315 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 1: Generation Z and how they're trying to sort of tear 316 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:42,440 Speaker 1: down the establishment walls they tend to pop back up. 317 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 1: But yeah, it was extraordinary ride. It was so fun 318 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 1: to work on. Mike just had a blast. And he 319 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:57,639 Speaker 1: passed away this last year. But you know, he was 320 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:01,440 Speaker 1: the happiest, happiest old guy you ever saw. That's wonderful. 321 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 1: He was a happy guy. We had the opportunity to 322 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:07,200 Speaker 1: interview him twice. He was a hilarious character in order 323 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:11,119 Speaker 1: of his observations, courage politics and very courageous, absolutely in 324 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 1: terms of what he did in his past. I mean, 325 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 1: what is it about the message that people should take 326 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:19,399 Speaker 1: away from the documentary, Like, ultimately you made it to 327 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 1: tell his story, but what do you want them to 328 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:26,679 Speaker 1: take away from his story? I hope that people watch 329 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:30,159 Speaker 1: it and see that there's really you know, you can 330 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 1: really do a lot, especially with technology. You know, this 331 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:38,679 Speaker 1: is a story not only about Mike, but about young 332 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 1: young people who they saw something broken in the world 333 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:46,359 Speaker 1: and instead of just sitting around and complaining and being 334 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 1: black pilled and like, you know, just depressed and dark 335 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 1: about it, they decided to jump into the arena and 336 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 1: you know, and do something remarkable, and they use their 337 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 1: technology at their fingertips to do that. And I think, 338 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of problems in the world, 339 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:06,440 Speaker 1: and you can turn on the news and see a 340 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:10,399 Speaker 1: lot of broken things, but it's no excuse to you know, 341 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 1: just be complacent. I think I hope people are inspired. 342 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:16,639 Speaker 1: I hope people, you know, look into the ideas that 343 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 1: are expressed in the film, Mike's ideas, the kids' ideas, 344 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:24,639 Speaker 1: but even beyond that, you might disagree with the things 345 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 1: here or there everything, But I think the important takeaway is, 346 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:32,640 Speaker 1: let's get into the arena. You can you can do 347 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:35,879 Speaker 1: asymmetrical things. I think your show is a good example 348 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:38,719 Speaker 1: of that. You can kind of just you know, if 349 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:43,639 Speaker 1: the gatekeepers aren't doing what you want, there are ways 350 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 1: that at your fingertips that you can jump in and 351 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 1: do your own thing, and you might even be successful 352 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 1: at it. And you know, in the Kids case, you know, 353 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:55,639 Speaker 1: they they weren't able to make Mike president, not that 354 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 1: they were really trying to do that, and they may 355 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:01,920 Speaker 1: you know, people can judge their success. You can see 356 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:05,360 Speaker 1: the movie and judge for yourself. But you know, and 357 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:07,920 Speaker 1: I think in my mind they were successful in getting 358 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 1: a conversation going. And I think, you know, in the 359 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 1: in the film it's mentioned that, you know, one Mike 360 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:16,359 Speaker 1: Gravell campaign doesn't change the country or the world, but 361 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 1: a thousand two. So I hope that people find their 362 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 1: own way, their own asymmetrical movement, their own you know, 363 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:27,199 Speaker 1: it'll it'll look different, it'll be different, but you know, 364 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:30,879 Speaker 1: there's millions and bazillions of things people can do to 365 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 1: get involved and try. So I think, if nothing else, 366 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 1: and I agree with that sentiment of like, you know, 367 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:41,440 Speaker 1: this is this is one little action that leaves its 368 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 1: little mark on the world. But if nothing else, they 369 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:47,879 Speaker 1: were able to really educate a lot of young people 370 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 1: about who Mike Gravell was and what it looked like 371 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 1: to have someone who was truly courageous and stood against 372 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:58,919 Speaker 1: a lot of the powers that be and also the 373 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 1: way that he was treated for I mean, there's a 374 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:04,879 Speaker 1: reason you call it American godfly because he while doing 375 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:08,479 Speaker 1: the right thing and actually, you know, being consistently anti 376 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:12,160 Speaker 1: Warren standing up to power and believing truly in democracy. 377 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:14,199 Speaker 1: I mean, that's one of his core views. And he 378 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:16,920 Speaker 1: had a lot of smart and I think innovative ideas 379 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 1: about how to inject more democracy into our system, something 380 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:22,639 Speaker 1: that is really sorely needed. He was treated as like 381 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 1: he was ridiculous, you know, pushed to the side and 382 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:29,440 Speaker 1: treated like a gadfly. We do have a little bit 383 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:31,119 Speaker 1: of the trailer from the film that I want to 384 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 1: share with people. Let's take a look at that. I said, 385 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:38,679 Speaker 1: do you realize how old? He says, Well, that doesn't 386 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:42,639 Speaker 1: make any difference what we really want as the ideas 387 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:47,639 Speaker 1: that you bring forward what he did surrounding with Kentagon papers, 388 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:51,119 Speaker 1: it was some parallel. Alaska's forty one year old Democratic 389 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:54,920 Speaker 1: Senator Mike Gravel began reading aloud the seven thousand page 390 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 1: Pentagon Sacred Report in public what he supports and will 391 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 1: we use for the world phosicians that he's been consistent 392 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:05,120 Speaker 1: on for decades. It excites me. I think he's incredibly 393 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 1: courageous and everything like that, and I think, I think 394 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:13,359 Speaker 1: he's an awesome dude. What we needed was a moment 395 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:17,160 Speaker 1: of virality, something that would catch people's eye from the outset. 396 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:20,399 Speaker 1: The campaign as it was put across was ruthless on 397 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:25,719 Speaker 1: a number of establishment Democrats. It was fun to relive 398 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 1: some of those moments, and just for people who don't 399 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 1: know the kind of basic contours of the stories, you 400 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 1: have these teens who become inspired by Graval and what 401 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 1: he meant through on history. They want to put certain 402 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 1: ideas forward, and they decide to they convince him to 403 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 1: launch a presidential campaign. Their big goal is, how do 404 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 1: we get this man on the debate stage so he 405 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:49,119 Speaker 1: can say all of these incredibly critical things, you know, 406 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 1: anti war, anti imperialists, pro democracy, and so they set 407 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 1: out to get You needed sixty five thousand donors, small 408 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:02,160 Speaker 1: dollar donors in order to get him on the stage. 409 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,159 Speaker 1: One of the and I followed all of this at 410 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:08,159 Speaker 1: the time, but I actually didn't realize that Marianne Williamson 411 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:12,199 Speaker 1: ends up playing a sort of like significant role in 412 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 1: helping them out. And Marianne has become, you know, a 413 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:17,679 Speaker 1: close friend of mine, so it didn't surprise me to 414 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,359 Speaker 1: see that she was the candidate who was willing to 415 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,680 Speaker 1: reach out her hand and help these guys be able 416 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 1: to realize their vision. Just talk a little bit about 417 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 1: the role she played in this film. Yeah, I always 418 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:32,439 Speaker 1: kind of described Marianne as sort of the Han solo 419 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:34,879 Speaker 1: of the movie who kind of comes in and saves 420 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:40,359 Speaker 1: the day, saves the kids. Marian's incredible, and she's she's 421 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:43,920 Speaker 1: so open, and then then I think, you know, her 422 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 1: voice was really unique and important on that stage. I think, 423 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 1: you know, she really was trying to get Americans to 424 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 1: think about the cause of sickness, you know, what, the 425 00:23:56,240 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 1: cause of what's sickening America instead of just the SEMs. Yeah. No, 426 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 1: Marianne's awesome and uh and I think she really admired 427 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 1: Mike as well. And and she has a lot in 428 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:14,359 Speaker 1: common with Mike. She was also marginalized, made fun of. 429 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:17,879 Speaker 1: You know, I think, I think when you start to 430 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 1: say certain things that that contradict what the power elite 431 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:26,160 Speaker 1: really wants you to know or or think about, they 432 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,159 Speaker 1: laugh at you. I mean, you look at Mike on 433 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 1: the debate stage in O seven, and you know he 434 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 1: was talking about anti nuclear he's talking about direct democracy, 435 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:38,119 Speaker 1: calling out people, and they're literally you see Barack Obama, 436 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton, the moderators, the people, the news people laughing, 437 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:48,200 Speaker 1: laughing in his face. Go back and watch that those clips. 438 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 1: It's it's appalling. And they did the same thing with 439 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:55,120 Speaker 1: to Mary Anne, you know, uh, kind of slandering her, 440 00:24:55,880 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 1: calling her hippy dippy Crystal or lady stuff, and it's 441 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:04,119 Speaker 1: total bs. So I wanted to set the record straight 442 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:06,639 Speaker 1: in the film. Obviously we're telling the story of his 443 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:10,159 Speaker 1: kids and it's this adventure, but also set the record 444 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:14,199 Speaker 1: straight for people like Mike, people like Marianne, you know, 445 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 1: and I think I think we succeeded in painting a 446 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 1: more accurate picture of who these people really were and 447 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,160 Speaker 1: what they stood for, and they and what they stand 448 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:27,119 Speaker 1: for today. So yeah, well I really enjoyed the film. 449 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:30,880 Speaker 1: I really recommend it to people. It's it's a fun watch, 450 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 1: it's an uplifting watch, and it made me really really 451 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 1: happy just to see the way that Mike Gravell was 452 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:44,639 Speaker 1: able to be sort of celebrated and reinserted into our 453 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 1: national conversation and consciousness and made relevant again in the 454 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,400 Speaker 1: very last years of his life, which, like I said, 455 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 1: if nothing else, I think, you know, he deserved all 456 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 1: of that and more so. Thank you for making the film, 457 00:25:57,640 --> 00:25:59,640 Speaker 1: and thank you for joining us. Gutschis Man appreciate it. 458 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:02,400 Speaker 1: Thanks so much for having me. Yeah, check it out, 459 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 1: so thank you. It's our pleasure, our pleasure. All right, guys, 460 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:06,960 Speaker 1: thanks so much for watching. We're gonna have more for 461 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 1: you later. I'll admit I was shocked when I was 462 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:15,120 Speaker 1: online a couple of days ago and I saw on 463 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 1: Twitter it was trending John Stuart calls JK Rowling out 464 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:23,919 Speaker 1: for being an anti semi, claiming that the goblins and 465 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:28,880 Speaker 1: Harry Potter were caricatures of Jews. And I was out. 466 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 1: I was like, why, John Stewart, why did you now 467 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,960 Speaker 1: go woke? How did this possible? But then it turned 468 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,680 Speaker 1: out that that's not really what he said at all, 469 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,800 Speaker 1: that Newsweek had taken his comments out of context, and Stuart, 470 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 1: in the classic Stewart fashion, had a message for Newsweek 471 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 1: and for all of us. Let's take a listen. So 472 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:53,640 Speaker 1: we did that a month ago. A month ago, so 473 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 1: like two COVID mutations ago, back when we were still 474 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 1: in like Beta world or whatever wherever we were. This 475 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 1: is a month ago this morning, I wake up, it's 476 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 1: trending on Twitter and here's the headline from Newsweek. John 477 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:19,480 Speaker 1: Stewart accuses JK Rowling Rowling, Rowling, JK Rowling of anti Semitism. 478 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 1: So let me let me, let me just say this, 479 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 1: like super clearly, as clearly as I can. Uh can 480 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,159 Speaker 1: I get a close up? You're in control of your 481 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:35,520 Speaker 1: own camera. Let camera one. Hello, my name is John Stewart. 482 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:40,119 Speaker 1: I do not think JK. Rowling is anti Semitic. I 483 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,879 Speaker 1: did not accuse her of being anti Semitic. I do 484 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 1: not think that the Harry Potter movies are anti Semitic. 485 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,280 Speaker 1: I really love the Harry Potter movies, probably too much 486 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:53,399 Speaker 1: for a gentleman of my considerable age. Uh So, I 487 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,159 Speaker 1: would just like to say that none of that is 488 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 1: true and not a reasonable person could not have looked 489 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 1: at that conversation and not found it lighthearted. So let 490 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:11,439 Speaker 1: me say this instead, to Newsweek, your business model is 491 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 1: fucking arson, and not the good kind. Not the good 492 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,679 Speaker 1: kind of arson where they light stuff and control it 493 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,000 Speaker 1: to prevent forest fires in the future. The kind of 494 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:23,439 Speaker 1: arson where you're on the mountain and you've got fucking 495 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,639 Speaker 1: five minutes and you don't know where the dogs are, Like, 496 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:30,119 Speaker 1: that's your business model, And now all the shitheads pile 497 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:36,359 Speaker 1: into this ridiculously out of context nonsense. Are you go 498 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 1: sign from there? That's where life's going. The whole thing. 499 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,720 Speaker 1: It's all amazing. I love it. Uh yeah, it's like 500 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:47,640 Speaker 1: they found some comment they made over a month ago misconstruted, 501 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,680 Speaker 1: saying that he was like slams JK Rowling. I mean 502 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:55,959 Speaker 1: he was joking about Gollins at Gringotts, which, let's be honest, 503 00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 1: you and I disagree. If you look at him, there's 504 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,480 Speaker 1: some tropes there. I disagree he's he was like the 505 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,240 Speaker 1: way that they frame it is like he was calling 506 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,960 Speaker 1: for her to be canceled or censored. That he called 507 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 1: her directly an anti Semite or something like that, and 508 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:13,720 Speaker 1: it was like it was it was so ridiculous because 509 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 1: as he's pointing out, I mean, they just literally sort 510 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 1: of invented a controversy. It became a big thing. There 511 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 1: was there was media articles. There are a lot of articles. 512 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 1: Oh there was a lot of debate about it and 513 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 1: oh what did he really and what did he really mean? 514 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,640 Speaker 1: And then this came in conjunction with Emma Watson who 515 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 1: of course was a star in these movies, put up 516 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:36,160 Speaker 1: a solidaire, the most banal thing ever, just solidarity Instagram 517 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 1: post to standing with Palestinians, and she got called an 518 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 1: anti Semite for that. So there was already the sentiment 519 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,480 Speaker 1: of like, oh, everybody's just casually throwing around anti semitism now, 520 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 1: and now it's John Stewart. So when you read the 521 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,240 Speaker 1: headlines in that context, which is what you were doing, 522 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 1: you were like, oh, geez, now everybody's just throwing this 523 00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,240 Speaker 1: turnaround like it's nothing. And it turns out no, what 524 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:02,000 Speaker 1: was really going on was news for fun and profit, 525 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,200 Speaker 1: was trying to stir up a stupid controversy where not 526 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:07,840 Speaker 1: an exist shut up. Like you know, every once in 527 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 1: a while somebody will take one of our clips and 528 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 1: write it up over like at Media Idea, and I 529 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,720 Speaker 1: will read what I said in print and I'm like, 530 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:19,480 Speaker 1: you're not capturing what I was, like I was joking, 531 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 1: or I will put something this way, like you have 532 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 1: to watch this segment in totality. I'm like, oh man, 533 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,240 Speaker 1: you know, like it's really biting, and I'm like, yeah, 534 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:30,040 Speaker 1: but it was kind of being facetious a little bit. Anyway. 535 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 1: Look don't believe me he's a comedian. I na, he's 536 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:35,200 Speaker 1: a comedian. Don't believe everything that you read. I don't know. 537 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,200 Speaker 1: Bless him for at least having the ability to speak 538 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 1: out and think about how many stupid ass things that 539 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,719 Speaker 1: you yourself, or me or anybody else gets outraged, ow 540 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,080 Speaker 1: out and doesn't know the fullness of it because these 541 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:49,320 Speaker 1: people are exploiting us. That's actually the key to Also, 542 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,240 Speaker 1: I love Harry Potter, So there we go. Good points 543 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:54,840 Speaker 1: all around. Okay, all right, guys, thanks for watching this 544 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:56,680 Speaker 1: very important segment. Enjoy your day.