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Speaker 2: I'm gonna say it. I'm gonna say the thing. Go

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Speaker 2: ahead and we're back. Oh you said it? Did I

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Speaker 3: Exactly like them? What is new with Dylan Harrington?

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Speaker 2: You know, just live in life, listen to some podcasts

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Speaker 2: and listening to podcasts. I've been listening to this new podcast.

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Speaker 2: Maybe you've heard of it. It's called Stuff they Don't

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Speaker 2: want you to Know.

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Speaker 3: Actually, we have a little bit of a history, and

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Speaker 3: this week's guest is like a good friend of the show.

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Speaker 3: I would say, since I've been working in podcasts, my

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Speaker 3: closest industry friends have always been like the people that

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Speaker 3: work at iHeart. What was the show again, Dylan Stuff

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Speaker 3: they don't want you to know? Yeah, and you've been

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Speaker 3: checking it out right?

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Speaker 4: I have?

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Speaker 2: Actually, Yeah, we took a trip down to Florida with

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Speaker 2: Mike here, who's got a pretty cool little summer home.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, on the drive, I just listened to several

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Speaker 2: hours of the show that was my first time hearing

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Speaker 2: it and absolutely fell in love with it. I'm a

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Speaker 2: was cool to just like hear a podcast that has

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Speaker 2: thousands of episodes all about that, all about every conspiracy,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, all three of the co hosts have kind of

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Speaker 3: You know, in my career as a podcaster. We've been

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Speaker 3: close with them for a long time. Their show covers,

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Speaker 3: like you said, topics from UFOs, psychic powers, government cover ups,

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Speaker 3: all the conspiracy goodness that you want. And they're not crazy.

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Speaker 3: They're not like crazy QAnon guys.

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Speaker 2: The three hosts of the show Stuff they Don't Need

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Speaker 3: On their show, they talk about all the stuff we'd like,

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Speaker 3: right Dylan, Like aliens, UFO, abductions, They talk about all

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Speaker 3: the good stuff. Reptilians. Maybe do they talk about that

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Speaker 2: Have to have talked about that. They have thousands of episodes.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they've definitely covered it. What are your thoughts on this, Dylan?

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Speaker 2: We were talking about this yesterday. I'm pretty sure the

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Speaker 3: Now. You say we were talking about this as if

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Speaker 2: If you are as into aliens and UFO conspiracies as

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Speaker 2: Mike and I are, make sure you check out our

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Speaker 2: other show, High Strange, just shameless plug. We worked really

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Speaker 2: hard on it. We talked to some really fascinating military

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Speaker 3: Yeah, by far one of my favorite shows we've done

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Speaker 4: very different. I was finishing out some college credits. It

435
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:13,760
Speaker 4: was actually more affordable at the time to live in

436
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,520
Speaker 4: Guatemala for a while with money saved up and some

437
00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:19,280
Speaker 4: writing gigs. It was cheaper to do that than it

438
00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:22,560
Speaker 4: was to live in Atlanta with like two jobs.

439
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:27,520
Speaker 1: That's crazy. Yeahs, so you chose to be yeah, I'm

440
00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:28,160
Speaker 1: all it is.

441
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:31,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, and made it out and now I fall into this.

442
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,440
Speaker 4: But you know, I think one thing you'll see whenever

443
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:38,000
Speaker 4: you ask people about these stories is there are common

444
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:41,159
Speaker 4: interests that they have in editing or writing and a

445
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:42,360
Speaker 4: lot of filmmakers.

446
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:45,360
Speaker 1: You said videos what you started with. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

447
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:48,080
Speaker 1: then that's what I started with too, is video before

448
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,800
Speaker 1: I did anything solely audio. Do you think that that

449
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:54,680
Speaker 1: has shaped the way that you create podcasts in anyway?

450
00:23:55,400 --> 00:24:00,239
Speaker 4: I would hope so, honestly, because I think there's you know,

451
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 4: when you were when you're doing any kind of video work,

452
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:08,399
Speaker 4: you think you learn to think in terms of structure,

453
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 4: in terms of contrast, you know, and there's there is

454
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:16,119
Speaker 4: a creative commonality there. Like I remember you and I

455
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,399
Speaker 4: had been talking well back in and you say you

456
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:22,159
Speaker 4: did you had done music videos, right, Yeah, So a

457
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 4: lot of our colleagues did music videos as well, and

458
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:30,960
Speaker 4: may still if we want to get them on the

459
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 4: phone now I'll just be scheduling because now they're all

460
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,800
Speaker 4: they all work at podcasting, right.

461
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:39,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did. I did music videos for a while.

462
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:44,000
Speaker 1: I did a lot of different rappers videos here in Atlanta.

463
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:46,719
Speaker 1: So I met Donald, my business partner.

464
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:47,440
Speaker 4: Oh nice.

465
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:51,359
Speaker 1: So I always thought visually first, and you know, it

466
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:53,159
Speaker 1: was kind of a little bit of a jump to

467
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 1: kind of lose the visual component altogether, right, Yeah, because

468
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:02,199
Speaker 1: there's some things you can't do when there can't be

469
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,400
Speaker 1: a subtitle on the screen that tells you where you're at,

470
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:09,200
Speaker 1: and start using other creative ways to tell the story.

471
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Speaker 1: And I think, honestly, for me, that challenge maybe get

472
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:16,919
Speaker 1: a little bit better at storytelling because I had less

473
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 1: I could use. It made me focus on other elements

474
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 1: that maybe I wouldn't have put as much time or

475
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:26,200
Speaker 1: energy into or not as soon if I was if

476
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,680
Speaker 1: I continued just you know, freelance filmmaking.

477
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Speaker 4: Maybe absolutely I agree with that because it's sort of like, well,

478
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:37,120
Speaker 4: what replaces color tone? Now? How do I express these

479
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 4: things in audio? And I think you make a beautiful

480
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 4: point like limiting the resources or the ways in which

481
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:49,120
Speaker 4: we can express ourselves forces us to really put some

482
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:53,359
Speaker 4: really make the stuff we have left go right and

483
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 4: go well. Because with stuff they don't want you to

484
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,959
Speaker 4: know that came on the heels of a bunch of

485
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:02,720
Speaker 4: different videos I was. I also became the head video writer.

486
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:05,880
Speaker 4: Uh so we would we would have shows like brain

487
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 4: Stuff and all these all these explainer YouTube things. And

488
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 4: then we also got our we got to do our

489
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 4: more tour kind of explorations, right like what's wacky sketch

490
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:21,399
Speaker 4: comedy or what's a what's a cool cinematic thing we

491
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 4: can do to explain this? And those were great and

492
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:28,679
Speaker 4: our our our management was always really really supportive, like

493
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 4: Jason Hope, who was who was amazing at getting us

494
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 4: cool places to film, you know. I remember we have

495
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:41,920
Speaker 4: conversations with him that were pretty casual where he would say, hey,

496
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 4: what do you think about the filming something at Bowling Alley?

497
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:49,359
Speaker 4: And then I thought, that's amazing. Yeah, let's let's do

498
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 4: it and never explain why we're at the Bowling Alley, right,

499
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 4: you know. And then Bolsome rounds exactly in the middle

500
00:26:56,600 --> 00:27:01,119
Speaker 4: of and that's Osmosis. We did stuff like that and

501
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 4: we're very fortunate. And when we moved to audio, you know,

502
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:10,159
Speaker 4: it's it's a different production. There are a lot of

503
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 4: things you still have to line up, just like with

504
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:16,680
Speaker 4: any other production. But I kind of missed it because

505
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 4: it's it's fun to do visual stuff, and I'm glad

506
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:21,920
Speaker 4: to see that's coming back.

507
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is, so how many years has it been

508
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 1: now since you started stuff they don't want you to know, buddy. Okay,

509
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 1: let's see. Let's feel old for a second.

510
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:34,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, let's feel right. Oh man, let's see. I think

511
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,239
Speaker 4: and Matt would have to check me out here. I

512
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:42,200
Speaker 4: think twenty I want to say twenty thirteen, twenty twelve.

513
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 4: I can't remember if that's so over ten years? Yeah, yeah, wow,

514
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:50,880
Speaker 4: we've been doing this for for an odd number of years.

515
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:55,479
Speaker 4: When I look back, it's to the point where I

516
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 4: can and I think, you see this when you're in

517
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 4: this thing for a few years. I can look back

518
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 4: and see photographs myself visibly younger, you know, and I

519
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 4: looked different exactly, And I'm thinking, I remember still thinking

520
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 4: stuff they want, you know, applies critical thought to the

521
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 4: things that we would call conspiracy theories, to allegations of

522
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:22,440
Speaker 4: the paranormal government cover ups, stuff of that nature. And

523
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 4: you know, we didn't know that the term would become

524
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:29,159
Speaker 4: so weaponized in recent years for one reason or another.

525
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 4: But we always we always followed, like our north stars,

526
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 4: the idea that the world is both understandable and worth understanding,

527
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 4: And it's okay to call BS on something, but you

528
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 4: also have to be ready to accept if there is

529
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 4: a grain of truth, you know what I mean, Like

530
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 4: the Tuskegee experiments were real.

531
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 1: There were clear.

532
00:28:55,160 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 4: Documented cases of the government shenanigans that likely in some

533
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 4: form continue today.

534
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 1: And it's just very.

535
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 4: Weird to be in that kind of deep water and

536
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 4: then say all right, well let's.

537
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 1: Do let's do our little podcast. So okay, ten years Yeah,

538
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 1: did you solve the JFK mystery? Yet we've got some

539
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 1: folks who'd like for it. I mean, what's your thoughts there?

540
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 4: I have conflicting thoughts. The most recent, really well done

541
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 4: exploration of who killed JFK is a podcast called Who

542
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 4: Killed JFK?

543
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 1: With a Rob Reiner.

544
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 4: That's right, the guy who created Spinal Tap Amazing goes

545
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 4: hard into this with his co host solo Dad O'Brien,

546
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 4: and they do a lot of great research that the

547
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 4: official narrative has never made a ton of sense to me,

548
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 4: which is what the official narrative is that Lee Harvey Oswald,

549
00:29:54,920 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 4: acting alone, shot Kennedy at Daly Plaza, and that he

550
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 4: did this without any sort of support network that he

551
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 4: was way better at shooting than he had ever been

552
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 4: on record because he was on record being a pretty

553
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 4: bad marksman.

554
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 1: Hell just yeah, he just got it.

555
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 4: Was his lucky moment, right at a very unlucky moment

556
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 4: for the president of the US. However, when you look

557
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 4: at different aspects of the ballistics, you look at the

558
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 4: dirty stuff that happened with the original autopsy records, and

559
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 4: then you see as recently as this year, a former

560
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 4: Secret Service agent came out and said, Hey, I found

561
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 4: another bullet on the scene. Well, what did you do

562
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 4: with it? I put it on a gurney? Did you

563
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 4: think about telling anyone? I had a lot going on? Okay?

564
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 1: Any where is it now? It's somewhere right?

565
00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:00,959
Speaker 4: And why did he take so long to say anything

566
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 4: about this? So without conclusively being able to say the

567
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 4: CIA and the FBI hired the mafia to assassinate Castro,

568
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 4: or they had someone like to say Lee Harvey Oswell

569
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 4: was a patsy, and that there was another shooter, this

570
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 4: one in particular. But a lot of these theories in

571
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 4: general is that you can't conclusively disprove some of that stuff, right.

572
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 4: You can say there are parts of the official narrative

573
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 4: that should be re examined, and that's something they do

574
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 4: and who killed JFK. And if you listen, I don't

575
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 4: want to spoil it, but if you listen, at the end,

576
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 4: they're pretty confident that they found other people who were involved.

577
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 1: Really yeah, So the narrative is that Lee Harvey Oswald

578
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 1: by himself killed JFK from that, you know, that building

579
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 1: up the top, through the window, shooting, shooting down the car.

580
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 1: What is the alternative theory or what would be the

581
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 1: motivation behind whoever orchestrated this making it look like this

582
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 1: guy did it when somebody else was involved in why

583
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 1: they want him dead in the first place if that

584
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 1: was the case.

585
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean it's a really good question. The

586
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 4: possible motivation there would be look like our own government

587
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 4: or some other thing. The scary part is one of

588
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 4: the most popular ideas is a faction of our own government.

589
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 4: Because it is well known that Kennedy, who was a

590
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 4: very popular president with a lot of people at the time,

591
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 4: Kennedy was still part of the larger Kennedy dynasty, which

592
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 4: is very nepotistic, right. He had just hired his brother

593
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 4: as the attorney general despite the guy not having any training,

594
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 4: and he's like, hey, bro, get in on this, bro something, Yeah,

595
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 4: it'll be sick man. And and the FBI and the

596
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 4: CIA hated Kennedy because he was against several things that

597
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 4: they liked, which was stuff like the mass surveillance of

598
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 4: Americans targeting civil rights leaders things like that. Because a

599
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 4: few years later, Martin Luther King would be assassinated and

600
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 4: an RFK would be assassinated as well Robert Kennedy. So

601
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 4: they really really really detested JFK because from their perspective,

602
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 4: he kept getting in the way of them taking down

603
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 4: Castro and every time they tried an operation in Cuba

604
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 4: that they could get away with, they just inevitably fucked.

605
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 1: It up really bad.

606
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 4: And their ideas also sounded kind of dumb. They were

607
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 4: like writer room ideas, like well, what if we like,

608
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 4: you know, poisonous cigars, the guy who loves cigars.

609
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 1: It's like, okay, what movie right?

610
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 4: Exactly one. There was one plan to pipe in LSD

611
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 4: or an hallucinogen when it was recording in a studio

612
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 4: to make him seem less credible.

613
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,359
Speaker 1: That's a brilliant idea. Yeah, what could go wrong? I

614
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 1: like how simple it is? Yeah, right? Also is that

615
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 1: even can you even pipe that through the vents through

616
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 1: the air the way I see it?

617
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 4: Dude, they were making these ideas. They have like a

618
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 4: chalkboard or a whiteboard, and they're like, all right now

619
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 4: I'm writing it down. We'll figure it out, right, Yeah,

620
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 4: someone go find out how to do that.

621
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm pret surely this green like swamp gas like yeah, fortune. Yeah.

622
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 4: So because of that, and because of the things like

623
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 4: the Cuban missile crisis's really tense time because if the

624
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 4: Soviet Union has nuclear weapons in Cuba just ninety miles

625
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 4: away from the US, there is no technology that can

626
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 4: stop those missiles from just obliterating the countries, right, So

627
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 4: Kennedy wanted to de escalate this kind of and the

628
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 4: CIA and the FBI factions of them disagreed. So for

629
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 4: people who think there's another part of the story, they're

630
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:12,320
Speaker 4: usually going to tell you that through proxies are hidden

631
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 4: hand parts of a deeper government took out Kennedy.

632
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 1: There's definitely some conspiracy theories out there that are probably true.

633
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 4: Amen.

634
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 1: I think that aliens are real and UFOs are real.

635
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 1: I don't know how much of that in our own

636
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 1: pop culture is true in terms of the stories we've

637
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 1: heard over decades. You know, I don't know where the

638
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 1: line is drawn there. It would be weird to me.

639
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 1: I think if for the past, you know, almost one

640
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 1: hundred years, seventy five years, just in American pop culture,

641
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,799
Speaker 1: we have in a lot of ways convinced ourselves that

642
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 1: there's been all this UFO stuff happening here and been

643
00:35:54,360 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 1: covered up and for every day that goes by us

644
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: to learn how much more science supports the idea of

645
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 1: there being extraterrestrial life sure.

646
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 4: In the universe? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

647
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 1: Do we just get to a point where the human

648
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 1: species is at this sort of like pinnacle where our

649
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:23,240
Speaker 1: own imaginations have convinced ourselves that these things are happening

650
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 1: and have been happening because we know that it's possible.

651
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:28,320
Speaker 1: I see, that's a good question.

652
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:28,919
Speaker 4: Yeah.

653
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 1: Is that stranger than some of the stories being true?

654
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,240
Speaker 1: I feel like that to me is a little weirder.

655
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,280
Speaker 1: That would be its own crazy story.

656
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 4: I think it'd be an It's like an Ockham's razor thing, right,

657
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 4: which is the less unreasonable or it should be a

658
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 4: dead story by now. Yeah, so many things.

659
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 1: That we thought were true that we've been able to

660
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 1: prove we're not. But not all of them, Not all

661
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 1: of them, that's true. This seems like one that should

662
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 1: be debunked.

663
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's it's the Fermi paradox, right, because

664
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 4: what we know about the size of the universe, it's

665
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:08,879
Speaker 4: just so impossibly big. It is statistically certain that there

666
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 4: is other advanced life somewhere out there in the ink. Yes,

667
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 4: it's also true that there are things that people cannot explain,

668
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 4: and they like the difference between you know, a civilian

669
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 4: on the ground seeing something in the sky versus a

670
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 4: pilot who's trained to recognize aircraft and musing when the

671
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 4: when the guys up in the birds see something, they

672
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 4: get freaked out. Then it's time to really wonder, right,

673
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 4: Because I also to your point, like I guess it

674
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 4: became more normalized for people to speak about it and

675
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 4: then acquired this sort of political or cultural's better word, momentum.

676
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 4: But also if you really look at the stories, they're

677
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 4: the same as the old stories of fairy tales, right,

678
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 4: of kids getting abducted and stuff. It's a way for

679
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:07,720
Speaker 4: it's a framework for people to kind of experience reality

680
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:11,800
Speaker 4: or attempt to explain it. I think it would be cool.

681
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 4: I think it was absolutely cool if extraterrestrials landed. I

682
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 4: love the idea of extraterrestrials, one being real and on Earth,

683
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 4: and I like them landing. And maybe they're not especially impressive,

684
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 4: like the one cool thing they figured out with spaceships,

685
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 4: and then like they see velcro and they're like, holy, well,

686
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 4: like this is brilliant. Just show us more of your

687
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 4: cool inventions. And I want them to only be impressed

688
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 4: with the dumb stuff like.

689
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 1: Crocs or like the fast food or the fast damn

690
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 1: it Donald Slats. Exactly. We're over here just drinking these

691
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 1: weird protein shakes that have no flavor.

692
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 4: But we lived a thousand years. The president would like

693
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 4: to speak with you, zarlak. Well, tell them to meet

694
00:38:58,520 --> 00:38:59,919
Speaker 4: me at Applebee's.

695
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:06,280
Speaker 1: Like a friendly neighborhood restaurant. Everywhere in the country. It's amazing.

696
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 4: So if there is a cover up, man, then that

697
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 4: means so the most likely the easiest way we know

698
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 4: to explain some of the stuff from the past, at

699
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 4: least is it is one hundred percent true that people

700
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 4: out in the interior of the US would see secret

701
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 4: military craft flying stuff that didn't exist. They would call

702
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 4: their local authorities reported, they'd run it up the chain.

703
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 4: And then someone probably at the FBI or maybe the

704
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 4: US Air Force looked at this and said, well, we

705
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 4: can't tell them about the spy bomber because we're not

706
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 4: supposed to be building it. So just tell them aliens

707
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 4: like aliens. Okay, yeah, and they did do this, this

708
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 4: is true.

709
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it doesn't explain everything. No, it doesn't like that,

710
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 1: but that like, I think they can co exist too, right,

711
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 1: I think they all co exist. I like the older

712
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 1: UFO stories the best because a lot of reasons, one

713
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 1: of them being the footage or the pictures of them.

714
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 1: These days with AI and everything else. Yeah, it's you know,

715
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 1: discerning what is real is only becoming harder by the minute.

716
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:19,879
Speaker 4: Right.

717
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 1: If you go look back at some you know, film

718
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 1: photograph from the sixties or seventies, right that someone like

719
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:35,320
Speaker 1: Kodak can verify is real and was you know, not doctored,

720
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 1: not doctored and it was came out of this lab. Right,

721
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 1: that makes you say, okay, well what is that anomaly then?

722
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 4: Right?

723
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 1: And if you look at some of these older pictures

724
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:47,760
Speaker 1: of you know, some of the best, like UFO photos

725
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:51,840
Speaker 1: from back in the day, Like where are those things now?

726
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 1: If they were our own government, you'd think, like seventy

727
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:58,359
Speaker 1: years later, we'd be using those things.

728
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 4: One hundred percent. Yeah, And I'm honestly worried there would

729
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:06,840
Speaker 4: be some kind of like UFO UAP fatigue, right, Like

730
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 4: you were saying, is this a dead story? I don't

731
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 4: want it to happen because there's still a kid somewhere

732
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 4: inside of.

733
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:16,399
Speaker 1: Me, of course wants to be real, don't get me wrong. Yeah,

734
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 1: I know what you mean.

735
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:20,320
Speaker 4: I want to believe. Yeah, exactly, I want to believe,

736
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,839
Speaker 4: and I hope something like that will happen. But you're

737
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 4: raising a really good point about the technological breakthroughs, right,

738
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 4: Like is Bigfoot just blurry?

739
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? That one always kills me, right,

740
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:38,720
Speaker 1: what do you like? I mean, it's hilarious, to be honest,

741
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:42,239
Speaker 1: What if Bigfoot is blurry? I don't like it's not

742
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 1: the photograph He's a blurry.

743
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 4: What do you mean? It's funny.

744
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 1: I can't disprove it, but you know, I don't know

745
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 1: it's it's Bigfoot.

746
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 4: I'm less inclined to believe in Bigfoot's much more difficult.

747
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:01,800
Speaker 4: There are cryptids who call them that likely or based

748
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 4: on real things. There are other animals they'll get discovered,

749
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 4: but the majority of those that are going to be

750
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 4: discovered that would be unknown or revolutionary to science.

751
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:15,399
Speaker 1: They're going to be deep in the ocean. Yes, They're

752
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 1: going to be in like the toughest not like California woods.

753
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 4: No. And also I think of the poop. Okay, I

754
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 4: know it's gross, but it's like the most important point.

755
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 4: A large animal, an animal of that size, Bigfoot takes

756
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:35,320
Speaker 4: big shits exactly right. You would find something at some point,

757
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,800
Speaker 4: you know. And I think as long as people aren't

758
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 4: hurting anyone, then it's totally fine. Yeah, and it's also

759
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,840
Speaker 4: really fun to go on, like it's like a stipe

760
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:51,840
Speaker 4: hunt basically, you know, hunting Bigfoot. Although now that I

761
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 4: say it, you know, I'm remembering. I think, just like

762
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 4: two weeks ago or something, there was a guy who

763
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 4: killed his room mate. I saw this because he thought

764
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 4: he was going to feed him to Bigfoot.

765
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 1: That's either drugs illusion, yeah, meth or it's the early

766
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 1: onset of yeah. Good, but Bigfoot never showed up in

767
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 1: the case that sucks. I mean, yeah, Bigfoot to me

768
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 1: is it's hard for me to wrap my mind around

769
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:29,840
Speaker 1: there being some species of a large, large mammal like that.

770
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 4: That is just the ultimate.

771
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 1: Hide and seek player to what exactly, like where are

772
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 1: the dead bigfoots?

773
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 4: And also if there is a cover up of foot

774
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 4: oh sorry, if there is a cover.

775
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 1: Up going overfoot? Yeah yeah, why oh why why do

776
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 1: they care? Right, It's like it's it's the thing. Can't

777
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:52,879
Speaker 1: even talk really right, it's what if I mean think

778
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 1: we had to think we put it in the zoo,

779
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 1: Like if we caught one, we would charge people to

780
00:43:57,600 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 1: see it.

781
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, we would have so many documentaries, you know, Werner Herzog.

782
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 1: Would be busy for like Pierre in our best interest

783
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 1: to out that if that were true.

784
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 4: But that that idea, that cabal is sort of the

785
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:15,320
Speaker 4: shadowy mommy of a lot of conspiracy theories. There's always

786
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:17,920
Speaker 4: a they are them and there's something they don't want

787
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 4: you man.

788
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, like so that's my thing with conspiracy theories.

789
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I I am fully aware that there are

790
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 1: things in this world that we don't understand.

791
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 4: That's that is proven.

792
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 1: There's things that we don't understand today that we always

793
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 1: you know, in our lifetime in some ways do understand

794
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 1: or science unlocks this new door and we learned, Oh

795
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 1: that's why.

796
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:46,799
Speaker 4: This happens, or this is what that means. Future historians

797
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 4: will look back and like these these Jabbroni's, they couldn't

798
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 4: even travel faster than light, right, you know, we're goofing

799
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 4: off over here with these combustible engines exactly exactly these

800
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:00,919
Speaker 4: these knuckle heads. But yeah, I think you're making a

801
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 4: really powerful point. You know. The idea here is I

802
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:11,240
Speaker 4: keep going back to this too. You know, conspiracy theories

803
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 4: in a way make the world more rational. Yeah, people

804
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 4: who believe in them, because it's it's just fucking terrifying

805
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 4: to consider the alternative, which is accidents happen and sometimes

806
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 4: there's no one at the wheel.

807
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, or sometimes shit's just fucked up. Sometimes things are

808
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 1: just like sometimes things are just shitty like. That's that's

809
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 1: my thing. I think that it's in human nature to

810
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 1: when something horrible happens, let's just even say, JFK, that's horrible, right.

811
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 1: I mean everyone sees the president get shot and he's murdered,

812
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 1: you know, on camera, in front of everybody in Texas.

813
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:52,280
Speaker 1: I think there's a part of human nature that wants

814
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 1: there to be some bigger, grander explanation for this. Oh yeah,

815
00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:01,359
Speaker 1: it can't just be this guy who shot him. I mean,

816
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:04,319
Speaker 1: but what if it was. It's just not big enough.

817
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 1: It's like, that's shitty to think that this guy could

818
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 1: just do that, right, and and there's nothing else bigger here,

819
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:15,359
Speaker 1: and it was just a murder plot. I pulled it off.

820
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 1: That's that sucks.

821
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 4: You're right, And sometimes when you find those explanations, the

822
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 4: ones that are real but happen to not be cinematic

823
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 4: and you feel anti climactic. Sometimes you find those explanations

824
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 4: and people may refuse to accept them. There have been

825
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 4: times where we're looking into something and I found it

826
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 4: interesting and we wanted to. We're very careful never to

827
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 4: say something's definitely true or definitely false unless.

828
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:44,839
Speaker 1: We prove it.

829
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 4: You're just exploring, right, But sometimes do run into the thing,

830
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 4: and it's your it's your responsibility to say, well, also,

831
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:53,720
Speaker 4: this is not true.

832
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 1: Yeah I found some bullshit over here. Yeah, we hit

833
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 1: a dead end and you're looking it's not true, you're

834
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 1: looking for bullshit here. It is.

835
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:08,360
Speaker 4: But I'm trying to think of different different reactions people

836
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 4: have gotten because or given to us. Because when it

837
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:16,319
Speaker 4: starts to become your a core piece of your identity, right,

838
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:19,479
Speaker 4: there are people who are like I am a QAnon guy,

839
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 4: or like hey like you just so, just like the

840
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 4: people who thought the moon landing was faked, right, And

841
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:31,840
Speaker 4: at the time, there wasn't the same sort of Again,

842
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 4: we didn't have the same level of technology that you

843
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:39,239
Speaker 4: could use as a civilian to easily prove the fake.

844
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:41,919
Speaker 4: I do, but I think they faked it on the Moon.

845
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:45,439
Speaker 4: Wait it because of budget cuts.

846
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 1: And stuff like that. They faked it on the Moon. Yeah,

847
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 1: so what they went to the Moon and they were there,

848
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 1: so they didn't fake it. They went to different moon. Uh,

849
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 1: so they wanted to film it right with Stanley Kubrick.

850
00:47:56,840 --> 00:48:00,720
Speaker 1: Stanley Kubrick as kind of an autour. He's very civic dude,

851
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 1: and so over the course of the production they figured

852
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:06,879
Speaker 1: out the only way to make it look good, good

853
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,959
Speaker 1: enough for Stanley, was if they went to the Moon

854
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 1: and faked the moon landing there. It's the dumbest joke

855
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 1: I will make in this conversation. Is it a joke

856
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 1: or you're being serious? Right?

857
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 4: You know?

858
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:17,320
Speaker 1: I'm joking?

859
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:17,879
Speaker 4: Okay.

860
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,880
Speaker 1: I was like Okay, so they what to the moon twice?

861
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 1: That's even that's crazy. Yeah, what a waste of money.

862
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 4: I mean the moon question, you can clearly with it

863
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 4: without too expensive a telescope.

864
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 1: You can see it.

865
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 4: It's like cru it's real, right, we've been there since, right,

866
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 4: and it's inconvenient to get.

867
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:39,840
Speaker 1: There, right, it's kind of expensive.

868
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 4: I mean, it's beautiful to explore space, but also it's

869
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 4: just such a hold my beer idea, like exploring space,

870
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 4: we'll just going to the moon. The Moon, that's just

871
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 4: a leisure like what are we doing. We're never going

872
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 4: to populate that thing. I don't know, man, I mean,

873
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:58,399
Speaker 4: I think the next several decades it can be very

874
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 4: interesting for SpaceX. We're always as a society, we're very

875
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 4: optimistic about it because it is you could argue biologically,

876
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 4: that's the big step that we want to take.

877
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 1: Like the last frontier is beyond this planet.

878
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 4: Right, right, we got to start Earth two point zero.

879
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 4: But I don't know. I also don't know if I

880
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 4: don't know if it's humans that will be doing space

881
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 4: exploration or colonization, or if it's something that we create,

882
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 4: because the humans are very fragile, not built for space.

883
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, like space is terrifying really, like if you think

884
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 1: about it, space is where you die. Yes, like just

885
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:44,879
Speaker 1: being in space and not in an astronaut suit, you're

886
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 1: dead and NASA will not sell you a spare suit. No,

887
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 1: how much are those things too much?

888
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,759
Speaker 4: Yeah? I mean I guess the price goes down with

889
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 4: every mission because they are able to reduce costs, or they.

890
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 1: They still use like the old ones like Daniel Armstrong's

891
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:04,879
Speaker 1: I hope, I hope, like like Delta's using planes from

892
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:07,879
Speaker 1: like this, yeah, eighties. I hope.

893
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 4: It's like, well, Janine, you drew the short straw, so

894
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 4: you have to take the shitty suit. Yeah.

895
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 1: Right, it's like that one's it's a little worn, but

896
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 1: it still does its job. It's all it's old, faithful. Yeah,

897
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 1: don't mess with the tape. Actually, just maybe have this

898
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 1: thought about half the planes that we fly in commercially

899
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 1: are like super old, not all of them, but some

900
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:35,360
Speaker 1: of them, and they've just been you know, redone and

901
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 1: new engine or whatever it is. But the fact that

902
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:43,879
Speaker 1: some of these have like the ashtrays in them still yeah. Yeah, yeah,

903
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, what an easy thing to fix? Like, you're

904
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 1: why why are we still saying you can't smoke on

905
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:54,839
Speaker 1: a plane, right, it's like unleaded gasoline. It's we know that.

906
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:58,800
Speaker 4: Or drug free school zone. Rat would always got to me.

907
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 4: I'm like, well, where's the school.

908
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:05,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, like is where's the drug school? Yeah, that's down

909
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:07,879
Speaker 1: the street. It's a private school. Oh right, right, right,

910
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 1: right right. Your parents didn't send you there.

911
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:14,879
Speaker 4: But uh yeah, I think that's that's a good that's

912
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 4: a good point to the updating of things. Uh makes

913
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 4: me think of how many legacies we just sort of

914
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 4: live with. We just they're normalized. We accept them like

915
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:30,280
Speaker 4: humans are super silly man. I say this with great affection.

916
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 4: It hit me one day I was I was walking

917
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:37,400
Speaker 4: in the more business area of Buckhead You're in Atlanta,

918
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:41,879
Speaker 4: and I realized I was the only dude in this

919
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 4: room who didn't have a tie on. And then it

920
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:44,880
Speaker 4: hit me.

921
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 1: Right after that, I was like, tyser.

922
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:51,359
Speaker 4: Silly, I did that to ourselves. Wow.

923
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:51,839
Speaker 1: Yeah.

924
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:54,959
Speaker 4: I looked into the history of it, and it's it's

925
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:59,880
Speaker 4: from It's most likely from a time in European his

926
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 4: Street where really weird aristocrats and royals would have like

927
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 4: they would get super into the uniforms of their soldiers

928
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:12,399
Speaker 4: or their mercenaries and be like, well, they.

929
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 1: All have to have very tall hats. I think we

930
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 1: can agree, pantaloons and cravats, right, We'll give them scarves.

931
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:24,399
Speaker 1: Why do they have scarves? I like how they look right,

932
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 1: So it's like they were so hot back then. They

933
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 1: were so they were always wedding.

934
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 4: So it's just like they had you know, it's almost

935
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 4: like a kid playing with g I. Joe's or action

936
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:40,359
Speaker 4: figures and dress them up. And then eventually from that

937
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 4: incredibly weird fashion thing comes the idea of the tie.

938
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:51,319
Speaker 4: And because silly and because we grew up in a

939
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 4: place where this is sort of normalized. It's an ashtray

940
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 4: on an airplane. Everyone's like, oh, it's just there. And

941
00:52:57,120 --> 00:53:02,400
Speaker 4: then there will always be someone who, throughout the ages

942
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:04,359
Speaker 4: sits on one of those planes as long as they're

943
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 4: around and says, hmm, I wonder which planes you can

944
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:09,440
Speaker 4: smoke on? You know what I mean?

945
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:12,879
Speaker 1: Someone I guess it's still thinking that. So if they

946
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:14,880
Speaker 1: never go away, then we always have to remind them

947
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 1: they can't. It's weird, it's you know.

948
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 4: It also makes me think of the Another example would

949
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:24,759
Speaker 4: be the the plug in the cars used to have

950
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:27,400
Speaker 4: those cigarette lighters right, yeah, and now I guess.

951
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:30,359
Speaker 1: They're electrical outlets. Yes, if they even have them.

952
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 4: Now it's just the OX court I think for a

953
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:35,919
Speaker 4: lot of people, Yeah, the OX which I'm past the OX.

954
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:37,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, I fully approve of that.

955
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 4: I think it's I think it's weird to have the

956
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 4: push button lighter, but I guess it works in a

957
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 4: surviving they did. Yeah, yes, they were. They did work,

958
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:53,360
Speaker 4: and you could do I guess cool stuff, you know

959
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 4: if you if you were in like a guy verse situation.

960
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:59,840
Speaker 4: But I think a lot of people now in like

961
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 4: they're familiar with older cars, like kids growing up, they

962
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 4: would have no idea what that thing was. They might

963
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:06,800
Speaker 4: hurt themselves.

964
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, you burn your finger off. Yeah, I don't know, man.

965
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 4: I there's a word I learned recently called skew morph

966
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:17,760
Speaker 4: and it's a really cool concept. You know. The floppy

967
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:20,759
Speaker 4: disc is the save button on so many things. Yeah,

968
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:23,759
Speaker 4: but no one like can put tune it together where

969
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 4: that was a miscal thing. Yeah, no one knows. I

970
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:29,839
Speaker 4: don't remember the last time I used the floppy disc

971
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 4: or I don't think I've seen.

972
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 1: It's only held like one megabyte. So yeah, you felt

973
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 1: like one word talking out on there these days. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

974
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 4: And if there was a if there was a game

975
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:41,279
Speaker 4: that you would try to play on a computer, I'm

976
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 4: sure you had to have like a stack of these. Yeah.

977
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 4: But but I think about that stuff too a lot,

978
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 4: like we we love the exploring the origins of things

979
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 4: in a new light.

980
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:54,520
Speaker 1: Or in a different way.

981
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 4: Probably one of the one of the weirdest episodes we

982
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 4: did for stuff I don't want you to know. It's

983
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 4: kind of ridiculous history too. I probably played a bit

984
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 4: of a game with the title, but it was this

985
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 4: was Benjamin Franklin, a serial killer? Was he? No? I

986
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 4: don't think so. He was, however, living with in London.

987
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 4: He was one of the places he was living was

988
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:27,400
Speaker 4: also home to what's called a resurrection man. And a

989
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 4: resurrection man was this weird thing that happened.

990
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:35,760
Speaker 1: So Jack the Ripper.

991
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 4: Well, so at the time there was a kind of

992
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:44,279
Speaker 4: a catch twenty two in the world of medicine. You

993
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 4: could become a doctor and you could experiment on cadavers,

994
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:53,840
Speaker 4: but you could not legally get a cadaver. Oh weird,

995
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:58,759
Speaker 4: So okay, So resurrection man would go and rob graves wow,

996
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:02,840
Speaker 4: or take ex criminals. This is real. And then they

997
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:06,919
Speaker 4: would smuggle them to these institutions, to these doctors. And

998
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 4: there was a doctor of the aspiring medical professional at

999
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:17,360
Speaker 4: Ben Franklin's house. And they lived next to a public

1000
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:20,600
Speaker 4: square where there would be hangings. So somebody would get hanged.

1001
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 4: This dude would jump the fence, get the body, take

1002
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:27,280
Speaker 4: it to the Franklin house and then do whatever ghoulish

1003
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:34,280
Speaker 4: stuff there were. There were like multiple corpses under the house.

1004
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:35,360
Speaker 1: Geez.

1005
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:38,280
Speaker 4: Ben Franklin also super horn Dog.

1006
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:42,320
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, that story there. He had very.

1007
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:48,759
Speaker 4: Progressive sexual attitudes for somewhat of the time.

1008
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:54,680
Speaker 1: Okay, like what well he would like he'd have an

1009
00:56:54,680 --> 00:57:02,399
Speaker 1: only fans today or he'd been canceled from his tweets already. Yeah,

1010
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 1: it'd be one of those. He would have been I've

1011
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:07,640
Speaker 1: been frank had had on Twitter, he'd be done today.

1012
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:09,520
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, he would just he would have moved to it.

1013
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:12,360
Speaker 4: He was intoxica.

1014
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:13,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, like sex.

1015
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 4: He also had a lot of eccentricities.

1016
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 1: He liked to uh take what he.

1017
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 4: Called sun or air baths, which is he would just

1018
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 4: take off all his clothes, all his clothing and then

1019
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:27,920
Speaker 4: go sit around and he didn't understand why other people

1020
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 4: weren't into it.

1021
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 1: It's a weird boss, yeah, exactly. You know, don't just

1022
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 1: don't go. Don't go in this place at like three

1023
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:39,080
Speaker 1: to four. Yeah, it's like he it's his thing. He

1024
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:41,960
Speaker 1: said we could, we were gonna go to the baths.

1025
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:44,720
Speaker 1: It's no, it's not what It's not what you think.

1026
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:46,919
Speaker 1: That's what. There's still some old white men who loved

1027
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:49,439
Speaker 1: doing that at LA fitness locker rooms, you know, where

1028
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:53,520
Speaker 1: they're just a little too comfortable with their nakedness. Yeah,

1029
00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:56,640
Speaker 1: in a way, that's like okay, man, Like the thing.

1030
00:57:56,640 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 4: It gets me is, yeah, like JJ's SPA was bad

1031
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 4: for this, but like locker rooms like YMCA, the guys

1032
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:04,960
Speaker 4: who uh, you'd sit in the locker room.

1033
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 1: Everybody's mind their own business.

1034
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:08,520
Speaker 4: Yes, but the guys have to do put the knee up,

1035
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:10,640
Speaker 4: Put the knee up, and then you're sitting down.

1036
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:15,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, towels off. You're like, bro, like, okay, this is weird.

1037
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 1: I don't even want to say anything. You don't you

1038
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:21,600
Speaker 1: don't like rude, You don't look at anything. You just

1039
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:24,240
Speaker 1: you just put your clothes back on.

1040
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:28,120
Speaker 4: Exactly. But uh, let me see last weird. There's so

1041
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:30,439
Speaker 4: many weird beIN Franklin things. One thing I will say,

1042
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 4: he tried to fix the alphabet. It's such an American

1043
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:36,520
Speaker 4: thing to do. He looked at the alphabet and he

1044
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 4: was like, well, k yeah, it's like, clearly some of

1045
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:41,680
Speaker 4: these letters are bullshit and they need to write. He

1046
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:42,120
Speaker 4: was right.

1047
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 1: I agree.

1048
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:47,240
Speaker 4: I don't know if he and I would agree on

1049
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:52,280
Speaker 4: the same choice of letters. But but everybody has this

1050
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:54,760
Speaker 4: unusual past. And I love that you're pointing out the

1051
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 4: idea of canceling because it's not as though people are

1052
00:58:58,240 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 4: better or worse than they ever were.

1053
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:02,440
Speaker 1: Yet, you know, we're not getting worse. I don't think

1054
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:04,520
Speaker 1: in that way. I think we've always been shitty.

1055
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:08,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, there are not more skeletons in the closet of civilization.

1056
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:11,600
Speaker 4: We just have flashlights now, yes, exactly.

1057
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:18,040
Speaker 1: You know, because we've learned retroactively that all politicians are shitty. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1058
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 1: a lot just slept right. Okay.

1059
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:22,360
Speaker 4: It's kind of like they self select when they get

1060
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:26,120
Speaker 4: Yet this, you know, I don't know, man, I think

1061
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:32,480
Speaker 4: we're in a very interesting, a fascinating, scary time. People

1062
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:37,640
Speaker 4: are growing up with the idea of privacy quickly eroding.

1063
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:41,600
Speaker 4: You know what I mean, children born today ten years

1064
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:45,960
Speaker 4: from now, the concept of privacy will seem so alien

1065
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:49,760
Speaker 4: and perhaps even creepy to them, you know. Yeah, But

1066
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:53,560
Speaker 4: silver lining would be Yeah, every documentary will look.

1067
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:58,560
Speaker 1: So good there we go. Right, It's like because since

1068
00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:03,680
Speaker 1: that kid was born, he's been filmed in four K, right, Like,

1069
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:07,080
Speaker 1: there's no found you don't add effects to it, just

1070
01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:10,040
Speaker 1: for nostallgia purposes, and it looks so crystal clear. Yeah,

1071
01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:11,880
Speaker 1: and the audio is way better.

1072
01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, yeah, because everybody will be micd up constantly. Yes,

1073
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:19,520
Speaker 4: uh I okay, that is a silver lining. But I'm

1074
01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:21,880
Speaker 4: also terrified by that notion.

1075
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:24,960
Speaker 1: It's a scary thought though. Yeah. In the realm of

1076
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:28,040
Speaker 1: conspiracy theories, we're kind of talking briefly the other day

1077
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:31,720
Speaker 1: about time travel. Yeah, tell me what you were saying,

1078
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:34,560
Speaker 1: like about that that story or theory. Yeah.

1079
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Speaker 4: This study, there's a controversial study. It came out a

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Speaker 4: while back that took a couple of groups of college

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Speaker 4: students and they gave them, they split them into in

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Speaker 4: twain and they gave them the same test. And what

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Speaker 4: they found was this one group, the control group, it

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Speaker 4: is just taking regular tests performed about as you would expect.

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Speaker 4: The other group did something interesting. They took the same

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01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:02,479
Speaker 4: test but before, or they left after taking the test.

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Speaker 4: Before they leave the experiment, they're given an amount of

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Speaker 4: time to study the questions to study for the test

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Speaker 4: after they took it, not before, so essentially learning the

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Speaker 4: answers to some of the questions after they answered them,

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Speaker 4: though after they've already done it. And in that study,

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Speaker 4: their conclusion was something was weird with human minds and

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01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:29,640
Speaker 4: time because they the kids who studied after taking the

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Speaker 4: test had significantly statistically significant higher scores. That shouldn't happen

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Speaker 4: because it's not how our understanding of time works.

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Speaker 1: So what does that mean?

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Speaker 4: It leads us to if we play the rabbit hole game,

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Speaker 4: or what it implies is the possibility of something of

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Speaker 4: a lot of things that would make respectable academics either

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01:01:57,000 --> 01:01:59,960
Speaker 4: very excited or very irritated. So I want to be

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01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:05,040
Speaker 4: careful we say this. Sure, we know that our understanding

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Speaker 4: of time and physics works now because of the nature

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01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:15,080
Speaker 4: of our existence, but at very very small levels and

1104
01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:18,320
Speaker 4: a very very big levels, shit is just.

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Speaker 1: Wild, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: It's like an art house film, you know, It's Yeah,

1107
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:24,920
Speaker 4: it doesn't make sense, and so at the very very

1108
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:30,280
Speaker 4: small level you have, you know, are our brains also

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01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:33,360
Speaker 4: function on a quantum level because they're very very small

1110
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:36,080
Speaker 4: things that make up very very large things. And we

1111
01:02:36,200 --> 01:02:43,640
Speaker 4: know that these We know that quarks can get entangled,

1112
01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:48,000
Speaker 4: meaning that if there is I think we can think

1113
01:02:48,040 --> 01:02:52,240
Speaker 4: of it like instant pen pals. If you become entangled

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Speaker 4: with let's say some other some other pain, lindsay out

1115
01:02:56,920 --> 01:03:01,320
Speaker 4: in Cossacks time and every time someone.

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01:03:01,160 --> 01:03:04,120
Speaker 1: Who looks like me or someone who is is a

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01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:06,560
Speaker 1: version of me in a different time and space.

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01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:08,400
Speaker 4: Or you mean I'm still working on the treatment.

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01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:12,280
Speaker 1: Okay, it's great, great pitch, Okay, I like it.

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Speaker 4: So no, I mean it's like the the idea is

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01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:17,720
Speaker 4: this this thing, this quark, it can be There could

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01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:20,880
Speaker 4: be one on Earth, they can conceivably be another one

1123
01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:24,960
Speaker 4: across the universe, and they're somehow entangled. So the change

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01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:28,240
Speaker 4: in one is instantly reflecting the other, which means they're

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01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:32,040
Speaker 4: violating what we understand about time and space, right, and

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01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:35,479
Speaker 4: this could also apply the past. It's like if we're

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01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:38,000
Speaker 4: and again we're just kind of freestyling here, but think

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Speaker 4: it makes me think of people who believe in precognitive dreams. Right,

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01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:47,800
Speaker 4: is there some kind of quantum action that you don't

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01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:50,560
Speaker 4: that we don't understand? And I know none of this

1131
01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:54,560
Speaker 4: has proven right, but it's spitballing, but we don't know, right,

1132
01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:58,720
Speaker 4: because time is technically just the word is a construct

1133
01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:04,880
Speaker 4: for us to make something here like a day a year, Right,

1134
01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:08,160
Speaker 4: But what is time in the sense of.

1135
01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:11,640
Speaker 1: Some the other meaning?

1136
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:12,120
Speaker 4: Right?

1137
01:04:12,520 --> 01:04:15,800
Speaker 1: I mean even Albert Einstein was on that. Yeah, he

1138
01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:19,680
Speaker 1: believed that it was not some linear thing in the

1139
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:23,240
Speaker 1: way that we see it in like a the timeline

1140
01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:26,160
Speaker 1: of an edit. Right, it's just going this way.

1141
01:04:26,600 --> 01:04:29,600
Speaker 4: I think that's I think that's completely possible because we

1142
01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:33,560
Speaker 4: have to understand the universes we are experiencing. It is

1143
01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:38,320
Speaker 4: only arriving to us through a relatively limited amount of

1144
01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:41,640
Speaker 4: inputs site, smell, sound, taste, hearing, you know what I mean.

1145
01:04:42,840 --> 01:04:45,560
Speaker 4: We can build things that can tell us a little

1146
01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:49,960
Speaker 4: bit more, but that that's not the same thing as

1147
01:04:50,120 --> 01:04:53,400
Speaker 4: the full experience. So I think it's how cool would

1148
01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:56,320
Speaker 4: it be if there's a different part of the universe

1149
01:04:56,480 --> 01:05:00,760
Speaker 4: and time just doesn't function the same way? Right? I

1150
01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:03,720
Speaker 4: mean I don't and like the idea when you explain

1151
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:06,200
Speaker 4: how we measure time. If we explain that to an alien,

1152
01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:10,600
Speaker 4: it would sound bizarre and cultish, you know what I mean?

1153
01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:13,440
Speaker 1: Like, you guys, stick to what I mean, because like

1154
01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:15,040
Speaker 1: it's almost like there needs to be a different word

1155
01:05:15,080 --> 01:05:17,680
Speaker 1: for the time that we're speaking about. Yes, his time

1156
01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:20,560
Speaker 1: in the sense of everyday life is what time is it?

1157
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:23,760
Speaker 1: How much time do you have? How much time has

1158
01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:27,080
Speaker 1: it been since that happened? How much time until this happens.

1159
01:05:27,080 --> 01:05:31,520
Speaker 1: It's just like a reference point. Yeah, it's just something right, Yeah.

1160
01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:33,600
Speaker 4: It's just a way of putting ourselves in that edit

1161
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:34,440
Speaker 4: where are we?

1162
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:37,360
Speaker 1: But like it's like we don't have.

1163
01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:38,800
Speaker 4: The word for it because we don't even we don't

1164
01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:39,280
Speaker 4: even know that.

1165
01:05:39,240 --> 01:05:44,000
Speaker 1: It exists fully. But I think if we ever unlock that, yeah,

1166
01:05:44,040 --> 01:05:47,640
Speaker 1: that's how we get to the cool spacecrafts. Yeah, and

1167
01:05:47,960 --> 01:05:51,880
Speaker 1: you know, actually get to another planet besides it taking

1168
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:53,120
Speaker 1: like five years to do.

1169
01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:56,040
Speaker 4: So let me ask you this. We know that technological

1170
01:05:56,040 --> 01:06:00,000
Speaker 4: suppression is real. That is an actual conspiracy that silly curved.

1171
01:06:00,520 --> 01:06:03,080
Speaker 4: But how far do you think it goes? How like

1172
01:06:03,520 --> 01:06:06,880
Speaker 4: sci fi level do you think the suppressed stuff is?

1173
01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:14,960
Speaker 1: Ooh, I bet you it goes pretty far. Yeah, I

1174
01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:21,840
Speaker 1: think that it's mostly probably being gimped because of money, okay, right,

1175
01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:26,959
Speaker 1: Like I mean, Apple does that with their iPhones every year. Right,

1176
01:06:27,080 --> 01:06:28,720
Speaker 1: They've had the technology to do a lot of things

1177
01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:33,440
Speaker 1: years before they ever implemented it. So you know, I

1178
01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:36,880
Speaker 1: think that until you know money can be made off

1179
01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:40,680
Speaker 1: of it, commercial flying is gonna suck, right.

1180
01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:43,640
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, I mean that makes sense. Is It's one

1181
01:06:43,680 --> 01:06:47,600
Speaker 4: thing that blew my mind. There is something called the

1182
01:06:47,720 --> 01:06:51,240
Speaker 4: National Invention Secrecy Act nineteen fifty four.

1183
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Speaker 1: It's a real thing.

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01:06:52,680 --> 01:06:55,560
Speaker 4: Okay, This is what I mean when I say some

1185
01:06:55,600 --> 01:07:00,400
Speaker 4: conspiracies are true. If let's say you, you and I

1186
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:05,760
Speaker 4: invent an amazing it could be anything. An amazing toothpaste, right,

1187
01:07:06,080 --> 01:07:10,360
Speaker 4: so you brush your teeth everlasting, everlasting toothpaste. You you

1188
01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:12,800
Speaker 4: brush your teeth with it just once. You never have

1189
01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:16,960
Speaker 4: to brush your teeth again. The US government can legally

1190
01:07:17,680 --> 01:07:20,919
Speaker 4: go to the inventors of these things, that are discoverers

1191
01:07:21,240 --> 01:07:24,760
Speaker 4: and say, nope, this is ours. Now you have a

1192
01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:27,240
Speaker 4: gag order for the rest of your life. You have

1193
01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:30,880
Speaker 4: to give us all your research. If you research anything

1194
01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:32,800
Speaker 4: else about this, you have to do it for us.

1195
01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:37,520
Speaker 4: We own the patent, and we will put you in

1196
01:07:37,760 --> 01:07:42,440
Speaker 4: jail you speak. This is still active and so secret

1197
01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:45,960
Speaker 4: that we don't know what they're scooping up. We suspect

1198
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:49,240
Speaker 4: a lot of it is like cryptography or different kind

1199
01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:53,000
Speaker 4: of signals, intelligence and programming, and they do, I guess,

1200
01:07:53,040 --> 01:07:57,360
Speaker 4: to be fair, they do pay you what they say

1201
01:07:57,440 --> 01:08:00,120
Speaker 4: is fair. Yeah, but at that they never pay you

1202
01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:03,040
Speaker 4: what's fair. It's like imminent domain when you widen the road,

1203
01:08:03,360 --> 01:08:06,560
Speaker 4: right all right? Well, or jury duty when yeah, because

1204
01:08:06,560 --> 01:08:08,120
Speaker 4: don't you get paid for jury duty?

1205
01:08:08,200 --> 01:08:10,200
Speaker 1: I think so. Isn't it like twenty bucks or something

1206
01:08:10,240 --> 01:08:11,960
Speaker 1: like that. I never make it. I always it's like

1207
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:13,760
Speaker 1: what they were paying you, like in the nineties.

1208
01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:17,320
Speaker 4: It's the good guys, like come on, I always just

1209
01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:21,320
Speaker 4: I want to be on jury's I never had it.

1210
01:08:21,320 --> 01:08:24,800
Speaker 4: I'mkno going on wood though, Yeah, yeah, I've never. I've

1211
01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:28,240
Speaker 4: never made it past that. I treat it too much

1212
01:08:28,280 --> 01:08:29,840
Speaker 4: like an audition, like you think that.

1213
01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:32,760
Speaker 1: You're going to get some murder trial and your life audition, Like, yeah,

1214
01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:35,200
Speaker 1: you're trying to impress. Yeah, this guy's took centric get

1215
01:08:35,240 --> 01:08:36,360
Speaker 1: him out exactly.

1216
01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:40,080
Speaker 4: This guy, I don't like how he's talking about jury nullification.

1217
01:08:40,400 --> 01:08:44,400
Speaker 1: Yeah he knows he's not a good sample of this city.

1218
01:08:44,680 --> 01:08:47,000
Speaker 4: Well, I would say maybe it's the system that should

1219
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:50,080
Speaker 4: be on trial, like get him out, get him out,

1220
01:08:50,080 --> 01:08:50,920
Speaker 4: get him out of here, and.

1221
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:55,880
Speaker 1: Someone really dumb replaces you, and someone's life is in

1222
01:08:55,920 --> 01:08:56,360
Speaker 1: their hands.

1223
01:08:58,280 --> 01:09:03,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, I love, I love the concept of it. But

1224
01:09:03,160 --> 01:09:06,559
Speaker 4: I'm sure it's quite a slog and I'm sure you know,

1225
01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:10,759
Speaker 4: as you said, things take so long in court systems.

1226
01:09:10,760 --> 01:09:15,519
Speaker 4: I'm sure it's like a dog bit someone back in

1227
01:09:15,680 --> 01:09:17,639
Speaker 4: you know, ninety six.

1228
01:09:17,960 --> 01:09:19,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we're just getting to it.

1229
01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:23,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, we have to do it before the people involved die.

1230
01:09:23,360 --> 01:09:24,799
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, exactly.

1231
01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:30,439
Speaker 4: But yeah, I genuinely do think there are great discoveries ahead.

1232
01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:33,160
Speaker 4: I know that there have been a lot of experiments

1233
01:09:33,200 --> 01:09:37,760
Speaker 4: with deep time, as they call it, which maybe kind

1234
01:09:37,760 --> 01:09:39,000
Speaker 4: of what we're talking about.

1235
01:09:38,800 --> 01:09:40,439
Speaker 1: But still, it's.

1236
01:09:40,240 --> 01:09:44,200
Speaker 4: Really it's really tough because the most audacious thing we

1237
01:09:44,280 --> 01:09:48,439
Speaker 4: can say here is that we know everything. We definitely don't.

1238
01:09:48,479 --> 01:09:53,000
Speaker 4: We never have, no, I mean, we we are a

1239
01:09:53,280 --> 01:09:56,840
Speaker 4: small percentage less ignorant than we were.

1240
01:09:57,520 --> 01:10:01,800
Speaker 1: But for these out the all of that seems I think, oh, yeah,

1241
01:10:02,080 --> 01:10:06,400
Speaker 1: it is right, combustion engines, you know what, we're rookies

1242
01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:07,479
Speaker 1: in that department.

1243
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:11,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's there's more there's more ahead. I just I

1244
01:10:11,400 --> 01:10:13,960
Speaker 4: don't know. I think it's like I keep saying, I

1245
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:16,840
Speaker 4: don't know. The to me, one of the dangerous things

1246
01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:21,600
Speaker 4: we're encountering here is we have to realize that skepticism

1247
01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:25,639
Speaker 4: can become an ideology or religion all its own, and

1248
01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:30,120
Speaker 4: it can drive people away from the core tenet of

1249
01:10:30,360 --> 01:10:33,360
Speaker 4: critical thought. Ignoring facts, ignoring facts.

1250
01:10:33,439 --> 01:10:38,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're selecting them, or yes, selectively choosing cherry picking them. Yeah,

1251
01:10:38,720 --> 01:10:40,920
Speaker 1: Like the FBI did that with JFK.

1252
01:10:41,160 --> 01:10:44,280
Speaker 4: They sent a memo to the because they can exert

1253
01:10:44,360 --> 01:10:49,000
Speaker 4: tremendous influence on newspapers and news sources, they sent a

1254
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:54,439
Speaker 4: memo and the wake of the Kennedy assassination, we can

1255
01:10:54,520 --> 01:10:54,960
Speaker 4: make this.

1256
01:10:55,080 --> 01:10:55,679
Speaker 1: What we will.

1257
01:10:55,760 --> 01:11:00,200
Speaker 4: But they said, they said, look, here's what happened. The

1258
01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:04,559
Speaker 4: rvy Oswalt, this guy, this this bullet tragedy. The President's dead.

1259
01:11:05,200 --> 01:11:09,559
Speaker 4: That is what happened. Any other attempt to explain this

1260
01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:12,679
Speaker 4: doing any other narrative like that, you have to call

1261
01:11:12,720 --> 01:11:14,360
Speaker 4: it a conspiracy theory.

1262
01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:17,240
Speaker 1: Right, you need to dismiss it. And there goes that

1263
01:11:17,640 --> 01:11:20,519
Speaker 1: term forever. That there goes that term forever.

1264
01:11:20,880 --> 01:11:23,800
Speaker 4: But but yeah, it's it's a bit of it's a

1265
01:11:23,800 --> 01:11:28,080
Speaker 4: bit of ridiculous history. But I'm kind of I'm kind

1266
01:11:28,120 --> 01:11:29,920
Speaker 4: of excited about the future.

1267
01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:33,519
Speaker 1: I like like sort of just like to close it out,

1268
01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:38,439
Speaker 1: like what do you hope in your lifetime you get

1269
01:11:38,479 --> 01:11:41,719
Speaker 1: an answer to Oh, wow, that's a great like before

1270
01:11:41,720 --> 01:11:43,599
Speaker 1: you die, like, oh, we figured that out.

1271
01:11:43,960 --> 01:11:49,040
Speaker 4: Created non organic intelligence. I think space, it'd be so

1272
01:11:49,200 --> 01:11:52,840
Speaker 4: cool to go to space. I know it's impractical for

1273
01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:55,639
Speaker 4: you to go to space. Yeah, Like I'm not at

1274
01:11:55,640 --> 01:11:58,280
Speaker 4: the top of a list somewhere, right, Yeah, And I

1275
01:11:58,320 --> 01:12:02,240
Speaker 4: don't think. I don't think I'm want to necessarily pay

1276
01:12:02,320 --> 01:12:05,920
Speaker 4: millions of dollars to an unhinged billionaire no to take

1277
01:12:06,240 --> 01:12:08,400
Speaker 4: take me to space for eleven minutes. Yeah, woo.

1278
01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:10,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like that's not real space. It's not I

1279
01:12:10,600 --> 01:12:11,639
Speaker 1: want to go deep space.

1280
01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:12,040
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1281
01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:14,840
Speaker 1: I like how we're already stuck up kids about it,

1282
01:12:14,920 --> 01:12:16,560
Speaker 1: like that's little pretendently.

1283
01:12:16,600 --> 01:12:17,320
Speaker 4: I want more than that.

1284
01:12:18,760 --> 01:12:20,360
Speaker 1: But yeah, that I think that'd be cool.

1285
01:12:21,040 --> 01:12:25,840
Speaker 4: I think we're going to see some fascinating opportunities for

1286
01:12:26,040 --> 01:12:30,040
Speaker 4: empowerment and betterment of the human species. Like the stuff

1287
01:12:30,040 --> 01:12:33,800
Speaker 4: happening with biotech is amazing right now. It's calling real

1288
01:12:33,880 --> 01:12:38,439
Speaker 4: questions like philosophical questions to account. Yeah, you mean, like.

1289
01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:45,400
Speaker 1: Just medical advancements with technology and cells and like.

1290
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:49,920
Speaker 4: Gene therapy, short Soldiers, the movie Gadiga. Yeah, all right,

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Speaker 4: that stuff's all.

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Speaker 1: On the way.

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Speaker 4: And again to your point, we might reach a moment

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Speaker 4: where the economy is practiced now cripples some of that

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Speaker 4: stuff or like makes it impossible for the majority of

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Speaker 4: people to enjoy it. Like what if there's a what okay,

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Speaker 4: what if there's a gene therapy that one will make

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Speaker 4: everybody live to one hundred and fifty. It doesn't matter

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Speaker 4: what they do, that's not going to come out. The

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Speaker 4: economy can't take it. We're already as too many of us,

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Speaker 4: there are too many people depend on their age distribution, right,

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Speaker 4: Like economists don't like to say it out loud, but

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Speaker 4: a lot of modern civilizations are built on the assumption

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Speaker 4: that people will die. Yeah, certain time, the new ones

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Speaker 4: can come in, right exactly, so new people can come

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Speaker 4: in the house. And you know, no, no economists is

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Speaker 4: really going.

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Speaker 1: To say that, going to leave with that because it

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Speaker 1: sounds fucking ghoulish, does you know, like we built this machine?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but yeah, that's that's kind of stuff I'm looking for.

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Speaker 4: I'm confident we'll see that. I'd love I'd love love

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Speaker 4: a sea monster, some kind of would that would be cool? Right, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: there's the there could still be one.

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Speaker 1: It's big enough, right, there could be one. Yeah, the

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Speaker 1: ocean's big enough. Yeah there's yeah, Like that's that's not

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Speaker 1: off the table. We lose stuff in there all the time.

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Speaker 4: We love We've lost everything in that damn thing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, fucking that's ub like, yeah, it's there's all kinds

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Speaker 1: of wordshit in there has to be. What about you?

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Speaker 4: What are you look forward to?

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Speaker 1: I'd like to have some definitive take on aliens. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I like that's coming to a head. I feel like

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Speaker 1: it's sort of reaching a point where the skepticism and

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Speaker 1: the over believing is kind of like crashing into each

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Speaker 1: other a little bit now, where it's like something has

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Speaker 1: to give, right, because we know that science is only

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Speaker 1: further and more and more supporting the idea of E

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Speaker 1: T life. It's just a matter of have they ever

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Speaker 1: been here? Yeah? And if they haven't, then that's very

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Speaker 1: interesting that some of us have convinced ourselves that they

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Speaker 1: have when it's also possible that they could have, right,

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Speaker 1: I I just haven't. I just want one thing, you know,

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Speaker 1: I just want like give it to me. It doesn't

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Speaker 1: have to explain everything. But if you could just be

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Speaker 1: like that is an.

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Speaker 4: Alien body or yeah, like just just so I'm not

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Speaker 4: losing sleep over it anymore exactly, or tell me that

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Speaker 4: is all wrong, and then you know, then I'll stop

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Speaker 4: looking over there, just definitively do so.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, yes, I agree, that's what I want. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and hopefully we get that in our lifetime. You know,

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Speaker 1: I think we've earned it our generation. I feel like, hm,

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Speaker 1: we we deserve that. One. I hope they're ets listening now, right,

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Speaker 1: I hope they I hope they reach out, you know, yeah,

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Speaker 1: like quip, you know, we're friendly enough. Show yourselves even

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Speaker 1: if like we can't tell people publicly, just let us

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Speaker 1: know exactly.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, then you'll be the guy the koop that no

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Speaker 4: one believes.

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Speaker 1: Right, Like if I was, I always joke around like

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Speaker 1: if I was ever abducted, like it would be one terrifying.

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Speaker 1: I probably wouldn't enjoy that, but it'd be holy shit,

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Speaker 1: like a one of a kind of experience. I'd almost

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Speaker 1: have to say yes, right, But that can happen to

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Speaker 1: me and I could know for the fact that it

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Speaker 1: did happen, but most people wouldn't believe me that it happened.

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Speaker 1: So I'm everyone else with that story. Now I'll walk

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Speaker 1: around and Ione's gonna be like, Wow, he really has

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01:16:18,680 --> 01:16:19,320
Speaker 1: lost it, hadn't he?

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Speaker 4: Ever since he made that alien podcast. He's fucking lost

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Speaker 4: his mind. Oh man, I don't know that you'll have

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Speaker 4: even You'll have even more people reaching out, I think

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Speaker 4: to tell you about the time they were abducted because

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Speaker 4: there's a fascination with this.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, thanks man. This has been an absolute blast.

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Speaker 1: We just scratched the surface of conspiracies. But it's always

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Speaker 1: fun chatting with you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I'm must get a beer soon and talk even more

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Speaker 1: about time travel.

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Speaker 4: Let's figure it out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's hang out.

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Speaker 4: Awesome, dude. Well, thank you, bro, Thank you? Cheers? Wait?

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Speaker 1: Why am I point you?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 1: I forgot where I came. I'm like, thank you?

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Speaker 4: There you are?

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Speaker 1: Which camera be camera? B push it.

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