Speaker 1: The volume.
Speaker 2: All right, he's one of my favorite guests, and it's
Speaker 2: a perfect time to get him. Marcus Thompson right for
Speaker 2: the Athletic he's the author of the book Golden KD
Speaker 2: and Dynasties really plugged in. I you know, it's it's
Speaker 2: the Warrior's got a lot of good people covering him.
Speaker 2: I think Marcus does as good a job as anybody
Speaker 2: that covers a team in the country in any sport,
Speaker 2: and he is joining us. I mean, it's so funny
Speaker 2: because I watched a lot of Warriors basketball, and in
Speaker 2: my job, I got to watch a lot of stuff.
Speaker 2: But you know, I just got into a habit, you know,
Speaker 2: for ten years of watching the Warriors. And I made
Speaker 2: a comment, I'm like, man, when Steph is off the floor,
Speaker 2: this is pre Jimmy Butler. I'm like, this is a
Speaker 2: boring ass team. This is a bad watch. And I said,
Speaker 2: I'd bring in Jimmy Butler just for energy and juice.
Speaker 2: He'll just get everybody all worked up. So we're you
Speaker 2: in When you heard Jimmy was coming, were you in
Speaker 2: the It may not work camp, it'll work kind of camp,
Speaker 2: or it'll be sensational camp, which camp were you in.
Speaker 1: I might be in all three. To be honest with you,
Speaker 1: I might I might have been in all three. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know it was it was difficult. I will say
Speaker 1: this up front. I didn't expect this. Yeah, I didn't
Speaker 1: expect like I mean, like, the one thing that's underscore
Speaker 1: for me, I love Andrew Wiggins. I think Andrew Wiggins
Speaker 1: is a really good NBA player, especially who he's become
Speaker 1: with the Warriors. He's like a testament. So if you
Speaker 1: put him in a right situation, right, he'll be great
Speaker 1: for you. Like he probably shouldn't be the a one
Speaker 1: of a franchise, right, but if you put him in
Speaker 1: a good situation, he's great. Like, he's a great teammate,
Speaker 1: plays hard, Colin. There's a difference, yeah, between an all
Speaker 1: star and the superstar. Yeah, these teams are categorically different.
Speaker 1: And because of all the drama that was going down
Speaker 1: in Miami, and you know, even even how Miami was
Speaker 1: like a middle kind of team over these last couple
Speaker 1: of years, I forgot that Jimmy Butler is a superstar.
Speaker 1: That that to me is the thing cognitively, if you said, yeah,
Speaker 1: you put another superstar next to Steph like that that's
Speaker 1: what he needs. But watching him with Jimmy, it reminds
Speaker 1: you like, no, Jimmy is one of them once, like
Speaker 1: he's he's a bit of a side show sometimes, but
Speaker 1: like he's one of those guys and it's instant. And
Speaker 1: the crazy part is he didn't even have to play well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he doesn't even have to play well. He's not shooting
Speaker 1: well right now, he's not even taking his shots. Jimmy
Speaker 1: lives mid range. He's he's going he's going to the
Speaker 1: elbow and rising up. He's not doing any of that.
Speaker 1: He's just on the court and by virtue of being
Speaker 1: Jimmy Butler on the court, he will punish you if
Speaker 1: you if you let him, and if you don't, then
Speaker 1: Steph will punish you. So like that's the thing. Like
Speaker 1: the moment he got there, you could feel the vibe
Speaker 1: Shanes just by him being there. Like he shows up
Speaker 1: in his Alo sweatsuit at the Laker game. He didn't
Speaker 1: even sit on a bench, none of the things. You'd
Speaker 1: expect this dude to come in and be like, all right,
Speaker 1: I'm part of this thing. He just came in as
Speaker 1: Jimmy and it changed everything. And I was like heyo,
Speaker 1: I didn't see that, like, I didn't see that happening
Speaker 1: in a way like it did. Right.
Speaker 2: He's also I've used the word he's a very intentional player,
Speaker 2: like possessions matter. He doesn't waste possessions. I always thought
Speaker 2: sometimes Wiggins could be a little bit of a floater.
Speaker 2: He would waste possessions. You weren't quite sure if he
Speaker 2: was on the floor. Jimmy's got more of a presence.
Speaker 2: He's more intentional. He gets to the free throw line,
Speaker 2: and you know, it also underscores something. And I've seen
Speaker 2: this with Lebron, with Luca is when you're on a
Speaker 2: treadmill to nowhere. This is a long season and it's
Speaker 2: hard to get guys like Steph for Lebron fired up
Speaker 2: for an eight seed. Right, you give them a h
Speaker 2: you give them I said this, it's like Lebron and
Speaker 2: Steph have a new buddy in the neighborhood they want
Speaker 2: to show off to and they're just I mean, Steph's
Speaker 2: averaging like six more points. They only take one more shot.
Speaker 2: So I think it. You know, in football, you got
Speaker 2: eight home games. You know, it's it's very urgent. It's
Speaker 2: hard for these guys who are at the mountaintop to
Speaker 2: get fired up for you know, a playing team. I
Speaker 2: feel like Steph is. This is one of these unintended
Speaker 2: benefits of making a trade with a great player. The
Speaker 2: great player drives to the arena ready to show off,
Speaker 2: ready to perform. And you know now that the honeymoon,
Speaker 2: the new car smell may wear off. But there is
Speaker 2: something to be said about the fit. Hell, Kuminga's not
Speaker 2: playing what when you watch When you watch Butler analytically,
Speaker 2: there were questions if he'd fit. Did do you think
Speaker 2: he's more valuable on offensive defense right now?
Speaker 1: Right now? Offense? Definitely, I mean by virtue of he's
Speaker 1: impacting one of the greatest offensive weapons in the history
Speaker 1: of sports in the way he is right, you can
Speaker 1: see it. Steph is a different dude. Yeah, Steph's a monster.
Speaker 1: It's so crazy. He said it, and I didn't know
Speaker 1: it till I looked it up. The day they traded him,
Speaker 1: Steph took thirty six shots, and then the next day
Speaker 1: he took thirty two. It was the first time in
Speaker 1: his career he taking thirty shots in back to back games.
Speaker 1: He never done that before. And Jimmy hadn't even played yet.
Speaker 1: Just the fact that we got Jimmy, now let's turn up.
Speaker 1: So the fact that Jimmy has that impact on Steph,
Speaker 1: to me, brings that to it because you're right, like,
Speaker 1: the part that's so very viscerally clear is they just
Speaker 1: were not good before. I mean they were, they were.
Speaker 1: It was boring. They got guys who just don't go
Speaker 1: into the paint. Jimmy's message now is like, hey, you
Speaker 1: see what they're doing to Steph just going to the paint.
Speaker 1: It's wide open. As a matter of fact, I'm going
Speaker 1: to show you just throw it down to me in
Speaker 1: the paint like I'm not doing anything else. I'm going
Speaker 1: to the rim. And you could see them saying, hey,
Speaker 1: that's kind of working. But without that, they're just chucking threes.
Speaker 1: They aren't really very good, and it was it was
Speaker 1: just draining life out of step So to me, that
Speaker 1: that part has been such a jolt, Like they're they're
Speaker 1: like a top five offensive defense with Jimmy, but they
Speaker 1: were bad office, bad and boring. Bad, yeah, and bad
Speaker 1: and boring. Like it's a bad combo, right, you don't
Speaker 1: want to be bad ed boring.
Speaker 2: And the other thing is you see this in baseball,
Speaker 2: when you bring like a true ace to a staff,
Speaker 2: it allows everybody to go back in the rotation, one
Speaker 2: in the right spot, right, And this now allows I
Speaker 2: always felt Kumingo was being kind of four to be
Speaker 2: a two, and right now he's a three. He's Wiggins too,
Speaker 2: by the way. Yeah, And so I think Kaminga, now,
Speaker 2: do you think Minga will get pinched when he comes back?
Speaker 2: How many? I mean, what will his role be?
Speaker 1: I do think I think he will get pinched a
Speaker 1: little bit. Uh. And and the difficulty is, like, you know,
Speaker 1: Steve's big on shooters, and obviously with Steph you need space.
Speaker 1: So the thing that's gonna be difficult for cominga is
Speaker 1: Jimmy Butler's playing a lot and Draymond is playing a lot.
Speaker 1: That's two dudes who do not shoot through. Draymond will
Speaker 1: take him, and he's shooting the best he's ever shot,
Speaker 1: like in a long time. But they're leaving them open, right,
Speaker 1: they're packing the paint and they're like, Draymond, have ad
Speaker 1: it if you had comega to the BIX. That's three
Speaker 1: guys who the defense is like, we kind of don't
Speaker 1: care if you shoot it. And that's that's the problem
Speaker 1: with them, Like, you don't have enough shooters. Steph doesn't
Speaker 1: have room to work. You allowed them to trap. So
Speaker 1: I think he's he's probably gonna come off the bench.
Speaker 1: They're gonna put him in that second unit and he's
Speaker 1: got to go dominate that and I think eventually they'll
Speaker 1: figure it out. But he's gonna have to shoot better,
Speaker 1: So I do think he gets pinched. Only. The only
Speaker 1: reason why I think it'll work though, is because they're
Speaker 1: just playing transition basketball. They're just running. They're just throwing
Speaker 1: it out, throwing it ahead, and like you said, Jimmy's
Speaker 1: the one guy who don't turn them all over. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So he's like being like sure about it, and Kaminga
Speaker 1: has a blueprint for how to play like just smart, clean,
Speaker 1: aggressive basketball. If he can do that, I think he'll
Speaker 1: be fine. But he's gonna have to shoot better. He's
Speaker 1: gonna have to shoot like thirty eight percent in order
Speaker 1: to justify being on the like with Jimmy, Draymond and Cominga. Like,
Speaker 1: that's a lot of non shooting to deal with Steph.
Speaker 1: So this is gonna be this It's the last puzzle
Speaker 1: piece to fix. If it works, Colin might be the.
Speaker 2: Four seedon I think that's exactly they were dead.
Speaker 1: They were dead. It was over. Like Steph is doing
Speaker 1: like you Jesus the press conference, right, he's like, and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden they might be in top four
Speaker 1: or five seed. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think teams like Houston can't shoot, Memphis too young,
Speaker 2: Oklahoma City is very deep, but those young players in
Speaker 2: playoff road games, I've.
Speaker 1: Said, still got to see it, Still go to see it.
Speaker 2: I said, okay, see, I would not want to face
Speaker 2: the Warriors. I'd have no interest in that. I mean,
Speaker 2: you got you got four hundred some playoff games with Jimmy, Draymond,
Speaker 2: Steph like, I got no interest. Chat Holmgren's good. Let's
Speaker 2: go see him in a big road playoff game in
Speaker 2: the Bay are not interesting stuff. So you know, it's funny.
Speaker 2: Jimmy always had this reputation and he's bounced around a
Speaker 2: little bit that he can be difficult. I see him
Speaker 2: more as just intentional and intense. What is it like
Speaker 2: to cover him? What is he like shoot around? What
Speaker 2: is he like in games? What I mean authentically? What's
Speaker 2: his personality?
Speaker 1: It's a trip. Man, He's the coolest guy in the world.
Speaker 1: Like it's so funny to get the reputation of a
Speaker 1: guy and the compare it to what you feel when
Speaker 1: you beat him. And it's just like like it's hard
Speaker 1: to fathom the other guy. Now I'm not I'm not
Speaker 1: an idiot college. That other guy's there, right, the guy
Speaker 1: that will cuts out the entire team and the coach
Speaker 1: right like in a practice. The guy that will, you know,
Speaker 1: go toe to toe with pat Riley, Like, that guy's
Speaker 1: clearly there. But he's he's very warm, he's he's good.
Speaker 1: Jimmy right now his spiritual high. He got an extra
Speaker 1: fifty eight million dollars, which helps I think about a
Speaker 1: lot of his issues are about getting the money he
Speaker 1: thinks he deserves. So like he's been great. Like you know,
Speaker 1: I kind of measure these things by who can you
Speaker 1: have a conversation with it, not like put a recorder
Speaker 1: on somebody's face, but who can you go and just
Speaker 1: have a conversation with? And Jimmy is a guy you
Speaker 1: can just go have a conversation with him. Now you
Speaker 1: hear about he doesn't fly sometimes with the team, or
Speaker 1: he go to stay in the hotel. Like he got
Speaker 1: his he got his own crew, and I guess I
Speaker 1: just had this perception that Jimmy would be somebody that
Speaker 1: would be difficult. Man. You want to talk to Jimmy brother,
Speaker 1: go talk about some dominoes. He'll talk your ear off
Speaker 1: about some dominoes, right because he cooked Draymond apparently in dominoes.
Speaker 1: So Volume of Sports took an ail when they when
Speaker 1: they went did the.
Speaker 2: There. You know, there were a lot of suggestions that
Speaker 2: KD and I'm sure it happened. Uh Matt Ishbia, the
Speaker 2: owner of the Suns, They're going to reboot this thing.
Speaker 2: There's absolutely a market for KD. Still a tremendous twenty
Speaker 2: seven to night player. I've always been a huge fan.
Speaker 2: Give me some insight here, Marcus. Were they rumors? Do
Speaker 2: the Warriors really try to navigate a deal? Like what's
Speaker 2: true and what's just internet?
Speaker 1: From what I was From what I was told and
Speaker 1: have been told even after the deadline, is like Phoenix
Speaker 1: was shopping him, like hey, what can we get? And
Speaker 1: the Warriors were interested, like they you know, Joe Lacott
Speaker 1: wanted a star. Yeah, like we know that, Like he
Speaker 1: want there's a list of stars he wants and KD
Speaker 1: was on the list. Right, they were very interested in
Speaker 1: bringing them back, depending on you know, somewhere probably in
Speaker 1: the middle. I heard it was just conversations. Heard they
Speaker 1: had to deal. So usually this stuff is right somewhere
Speaker 1: in the middle.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: If Kat says I would love to come back, I
Speaker 1: think it would have happened. Uh, And KD made it
Speaker 1: clear he just wasn't he wasn't interested in going back
Speaker 1: down that road, and they backed out. Yeah, so no,
Speaker 1: I heard it was very real. From what I've been told,
Speaker 1: it was very real. The warriors were interested, and Phoenix
Speaker 1: was interested. And then something happened. Kat says, no, or
Speaker 1: they decided to give it more time. Something happened and
Speaker 1: they pulled back. But yeah, we almost had it. We
Speaker 1: almost had a reunion of twenty seventeen. I think that's
Speaker 1: just my mob perception after hearing what I've been told.
Speaker 2: Well, I think I think it would have worked. I
Speaker 2: think this works better, and I do think. You know,
Speaker 2: I was joking with his staff today when I when
Speaker 2: when we were when I was in college, and you'd
Speaker 2: go out drinking with one of the football players, one
Speaker 2: of the big tough football players that always gave you
Speaker 2: more courage, you know, and and I think Jimmy Jimmy
Speaker 2: Butler is like a more talented Draymond where he just
Speaker 2: gives everybody a little more courage. Everybody's a little more
Speaker 2: aggressive because you don't want to let down Jimmy. You know,
Speaker 2: there's just there's just certain guys. They're kind of badass guys,
Speaker 2: like you just don't want to let him down. Charles
Speaker 2: Oakley always had that, like you just play a little
Speaker 2: harder and a little more physical because Jimmy's got your back.
Speaker 2: He's the bouncer a little bit. So I think he
Speaker 2: I think, I mean KD I don't think would have
Speaker 2: brought quite the energy or the physicality or or but
Speaker 2: I think Katie would have given you points. So and
Speaker 2: I kind of feel like I've seen that. You know,
Speaker 2: it's really interesting. I think Steve Kerr is really smart
Speaker 2: and he signed the next When you go get Jimmy Butler,
Speaker 2: how much say does Steph have? I mean, Kerr has
Speaker 2: so much respect for him, and he should. It is
Speaker 2: because I still think Lebron got a heads up on Luca.
Speaker 2: I think he's been thinking about that since Mark Cuban
Speaker 2: sold the team. I thought I thought, I thought Lebron
Speaker 2: sniffed around with Steph two years ago. He was interested
Speaker 2: in Yoka Denver said no thanks, And I think once
Speaker 2: Cuban sold the Mavericks, he started circling, sending messages back
Speaker 2: channeling to Luca and I think he's been on this thing. Steph.
Speaker 2: Steph is not as calculated as Lebron. But to me,
Speaker 2: do you think Steph said Steve let's was it?
Speaker 1: Lake?
Speaker 2: Cubert and Steph have a say in Jimmy?
Speaker 1: I think Steph definitely had to say, like it's him
Speaker 1: and Mike Dunleavy. Dunleavy's the one who made it happen.
Speaker 1: It's Mike Dunleavy because you know, they oddly enough played
Speaker 1: together in Chicago. Is like the oddest like buddy cop.
Speaker 2: Movie I covered covered in high school in Portland.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's yeah, yeah, absolutely so the oddest buddy cop
Speaker 1: movie is who du done Levy and Jimmy Butler would
Speaker 1: be tight and make this happen? Right, But Steph, Steph
Speaker 1: was first off off the top. Steph was like, we
Speaker 1: absolutely have to do something, like we're not running this
Speaker 1: back Like I'm gonna have a problem with that. Uh.
Speaker 1: And once Steve comes out with a mic in the face.
Speaker 1: It says, we gotta do something. This is not working,
Speaker 1: Like that's that's ball game. The question at that point
Speaker 1: was what what do you do? So from what I
Speaker 1: was so, there's a conversation. Jimmy's excitement, you know, especially
Speaker 1: once he got the contract extension helps a lot. The
Speaker 1: only question that I ever heard and doing all the
Speaker 1: interviews and asking question was which Jimmy where you get right,
Speaker 1: Like that's that's the only question. I think everybody understood
Speaker 1: who Jimmy was, and I do think Stephan Draymond because
Speaker 1: they're both up in age, they're like, man, I need
Speaker 1: somebody for the playoffs, right, that's the big deal. And
Speaker 1: you know, playoff Jimmy is the thing they want. They
Speaker 1: want playoff Jimmy, So he definitely was in the mix.
Speaker 1: I just think they needed to know they were gonna
Speaker 1: get Jimmy Butler, not the guy that they've been hearing
Speaker 1: warn with pat Riley. That was the thing. Once they
Speaker 1: got that, I feel like that was that was enough
Speaker 1: for Steph. He just wanted something that he's been begging
Speaker 1: for something for at least two years now.
Speaker 2: And listen, Kminga was a good draft pick. POD's Moody.
Speaker 2: They've got players, bring Kaminga back, They've got some depth.
Speaker 2: I've said this, I think Oka c would be a
Speaker 2: little bit privately terrified to face Butler and Steph and
Speaker 2: Draymond and Kaminga and Pods and Kerr that.
Speaker 1: And if they are, their fans would be terrified because
Speaker 1: them dudes haven't been in that building before. Yep.
Speaker 2: How is Luca Lebron on? You wrote an article on
Speaker 2: the suffering Maverick fans. I mean Kyrie gets hurt because
Speaker 2: they pressed him into more minutes. I mean that's one
Speaker 2: of the unintended liabilities of that trade is when Luca left,
Speaker 2: he only had one real playmaker. I like Spencer did
Speaker 2: when he but he's not the playmaker of Luca obviously.
Speaker 2: So now Kyrie's got to play more minutes, have the
Speaker 2: ball more, stand the floor more, and at the end
Speaker 2: his body. He's a small player. He's been hurt before.
Speaker 2: I think some of it is just that it was
Speaker 2: just too taxing on his body. Let's I'll get to
Speaker 2: that in a second. How do you view Luca and Lebron?
Speaker 2: How is that viewed in the Bay Area?
Speaker 1: A massive problem? That's what it's. It's a, where are
Speaker 1: the Lakers. Let's try to avoid that. It's in the
Speaker 1: West Finals, right, in the same way, you know, Oklahoma
Speaker 1: City's like, I don't think Oklahoma City is scared of
Speaker 1: the worst. They're just like, we just rather have them
Speaker 1: in the West Finals if we're going to face them, like,
Speaker 1: let's not do it in the first round. Right. So,
Speaker 1: I mean the Lakers were already a problem. A big
Speaker 1: part of that is Lebron, Like, they don't have anybody
Speaker 1: to guard Lebron, like ever since Igwadala, you know, declined
Speaker 1: from his premium self where he could do it, like
Speaker 1: you could throw Draymond on him, but you need Draymond
Speaker 1: in the back, and they just haven't had anybody. Wiggins
Speaker 1: was okay at it, but you know, it's still Lebron.
Speaker 1: Now you had another guy, it's basically another guy who
Speaker 1: ball handling, big bodied person who's difficult to match up.
Speaker 1: But so now the Lakers have two of the guys
Speaker 1: that the Warriors have a hard time guarding. Now, if
Speaker 1: they had one Wiggins, it'd be fine, right, if they
Speaker 1: had Wiggins with Butler, it'd be a little bit better.
Speaker 1: But now you're asking Kamenia to do it. You're asking
Speaker 1: Moses Moody to do it, you're also asking thirty five
Speaker 1: year old Jimmy Butler to do it right, and that's
Speaker 1: that's a lot. So that's why that's such a difficult matchup.
Speaker 1: The Lakers are a difficult matchup for that reason. Denver's
Speaker 1: a difficult matchup because if you're right as he is
Speaker 1: with everybody, but the words just don't have side. So
Speaker 1: to me, the Lakers have become a team that like
Speaker 1: they probably want to know everybody else. I don't think
Speaker 1: they're worried about it all, but I think Lakers the
Speaker 1: Lakers plus they can score unless they can score like
Speaker 1: an insane amount of points, even though they're surprisingly good
Speaker 1: on defense. Right now, I don't know how much that's
Speaker 1: going to hold especially in a matchup setting where you
Speaker 1: could just attack Luca and Reeves. That's when it's calculated,
Speaker 1: right Like Game three, we're going at Luca every time,
Speaker 1: So I don't know how that holds up. But they're
Speaker 1: getting one twenty five like that's happening. So they're a problem.
Speaker 1: Like you can look at them in the bay. People
Speaker 1: in a bay. No, the Lakers are a problem, and
Speaker 1: you probably want to stay out of that.
Speaker 2: And they also have three play initiators because Austin, Reeves,
Speaker 2: Luca and Lebron can all run the offense and they
Speaker 2: all and all of.
Speaker 1: Them draw outs, all of them draw fouts.
Speaker 2: Like they really do. So when Dallas they have Kyrie,
Speaker 2: now that's it. Now they have size down in Dallas.
Speaker 2: They have a good rotational when they're healthy, lively obviously
Speaker 2: Anthony Dakers, they got real size, They got great center rotation.
Speaker 2: They don't have any you know, Kyrie's it and you know,
Speaker 2: opening up a play. So the Lakers have a lot
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Speaker 2: It's you know, it's it's funny, Marcus. So I've watched
Speaker 2: so much football in my life. Obviously a good baseball man.
Speaker 2: And as you're they taking when your four games a year,
Speaker 2: it's mostly GM payroll pitching. And in football you can
Speaker 2: see it's the coaching sport. It really matters. Urban Meyer
Speaker 2: goes to a college program, he can add six wins
Speaker 2: a year. Bill Parcells did that. You know mcvay's obviously
Speaker 2: he's just beating people on Sundays. Schematically, basketball is different
Speaker 2: because the players control the league and very rarely is
Speaker 2: Steve Kerr. You know, slow down, I've got to play
Speaker 2: for you. That's that's what they're doing at tom Izzowe,
Speaker 2: at Michigan State. That's not the NBA. So what I do,
Speaker 2: what I tend to watch. I tend to watch how
Speaker 2: you close a game and how you open a game.
Speaker 2: So closing a game, there is coaching. Opening a game,
Speaker 2: there is a game plan, right, guys are sitting around watching.
Speaker 2: You don't have a lot of prep time in the NBA.
Speaker 2: You talk about it at shoot around. You do about
Speaker 2: ten minutes before the game. You have sort of a
Speaker 2: mission to get on front and use some matchup advantages.
Speaker 2: The Lakers start for six minutes of these games, Marcus,
Speaker 2: they are so good early and they really Now by
Speaker 2: the way, Steve Kerr was always the great coach out
Speaker 2: of half.
Speaker 1: He was the great absolutely third quarter, third quarter coach.
Speaker 2: What are you hearing around the league on Reddick when
Speaker 2: you talk to people, I know you cover the Warriors,
Speaker 2: but I just think you can see his excellence early
Speaker 2: and late in games.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think defensively is the part you hear where
Speaker 1: people were saying, like, Wow, they're actually really good defensively,
Speaker 1: and the Lakers have places to go to attack, like
Speaker 1: you could attack Austin Reeves, you could attack Lebron right.
Speaker 1: Lebron's been known to loaf on defense, but somehow they've
Speaker 1: managed to be good on defense, which is they add
Speaker 1: Luca and get better on defense. And to me that
Speaker 1: like the adjustment piece too, Like how fast can you
Speaker 1: shift philosophies? Do you have to stay on what that
Speaker 1: game plan you said at the beginning? Do you have
Speaker 1: to stay on that because you said it at the
Speaker 1: beginning to hope it works or can you shift? Are
Speaker 1: your guys prepared to shift? What we're seeing from from
Speaker 1: the Lakers? That makes you be like, hey, how does
Speaker 1: JJ know what he's doing already? Like when you talk
Speaker 1: to people, they're like, you know what, the Lakers defense,
Speaker 1: it's pretty good, like and then they lose ad and
Speaker 1: and somehow managed to still get really good defensively. It's
Speaker 1: surprising people like I don't think you know, obviously we
Speaker 1: thought he was like a Lebron plan. We thought he
Speaker 1: was like it's basically like podcast nepotism, if there's such
Speaker 1: a thing, right, Like, but he's actually pretty good, Like
Speaker 1: he's he knows what he's doing. Not now we'll see
Speaker 1: the like as you said, it's the management of personalities
Speaker 1: in the long run, right, it's how you how you
Speaker 1: deal with this stuff. But he's got like the Dorian
Speaker 1: Finney Smith, Rory Hodgemore, Ryan Jackson Hayes. He's got these
Speaker 1: players who number one, are going to do what he says,
Speaker 1: and number two they're trying to fight for a spot
Speaker 1: in the league, right so they can go out and
Speaker 1: execute right that you're seeing him work these it's these
Speaker 1: ex the earier pieces that are doing so well. That's
Speaker 1: the part where JJ's kind of showing his ability. He
Speaker 1: knows when when to go with Rory, when to switch out,
Speaker 1: when to go big, Like Jackson Hayes is not this good.
Speaker 1: I don't care. I don't know what's happening, but they're
Speaker 1: supposed to be done. You lose Anthony Davis, and Anthony
Speaker 1: Davis wanted a big, remember that was the thing. The
Speaker 1: Lakers need a big. They don't get the big, and
Speaker 1: they get rid of Anthony Davis and somehow they're still managing.
Speaker 1: So if it weren't for what's happening in the Detroit
Speaker 1: and JB. Bickerstaff, we we talking about JJ as coaching
Speaker 1: the year, which is kind of insane because they were
Speaker 1: just doing a podcast like a year ago.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I mean, you know some Jason Kidd came
Speaker 2: out pretty early. Steve Nash in Brooklyn was a bit
Speaker 2: of a mess.
Speaker 1: But I mean, Colley, would you like to be an
Speaker 1: assistant coach who's been on the bitch for fifteen years?
Speaker 1: Wait for your shot watching these dudes walk in?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but you know, I mean there is something
Speaker 2: to be said. I mean JJ was on broadcasts and
Speaker 2: podcasts and he sounded very aerad dite absolutely years at least. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean he you know, Jason kidds similarly. These guys
Speaker 2: around basketball, they've got intuitive, intuitive feel for it. So
Speaker 2: you wrote that article on the suffering MAVs fans.
Speaker 1: Do you think.
Speaker 2: When Cuban Cuban sold the team? Mark has a pretty
Speaker 2: good sense of business timing and exit strategy? Absolutely, why
Speaker 2: do you think? Why do you think Cuban sold? I
Speaker 2: tend to think everything Mark's again Mark. Mark is very
Speaker 2: good at seeing around corners. I can disagree with him
Speaker 2: sometimes on loving NFTs and Bitcoin or politics or whatever
Speaker 2: it is, but it's it just feels like Cuban sold
Speaker 2: the team and it hasn't felt the same since he
Speaker 2: sold it.
Speaker 1: You know the fact like when he sold it, I thought,
Speaker 1: it's just a Vegas move? Are you sell it to
Speaker 1: the Vegas billionaire the Adamson family, right, the wife of
Speaker 1: the famous you know Vegas casino guy, the one who
Speaker 1: got fleeced by Mark Davis? Enough for the Raiders, But
Speaker 1: I thought it's just a Vegas move. And one of
Speaker 1: the things that I've learned from Joe Lacup and the
Speaker 1: whole A's debaclecas you know, Oakland has lost its teams,
Speaker 1: and it's all boils down to you got to be
Speaker 1: ready to spend one point five to two billion dollars
Speaker 1: own the stadium. You just have to be able to
Speaker 1: do that and if you're not ready to do that,
Speaker 1: now you're relying on your local municipality to come up
Speaker 1: with the money. And I'm like, I'm thinking, cubansaw, do
Speaker 1: I want to spend a two billion dollar stadium or
Speaker 1: cash out and get my billions?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: It's the opposite move of what John Fisher did with
Speaker 1: Ya's sell the team to get billions or No. Now
Speaker 1: he's playing in like a high school stadium in Sacramento
Speaker 1: because they don't want to sell it like that. That's
Speaker 1: what I thought. I don't think at any point he
Speaker 1: thought Luca was gonna be traded. You know why. You
Speaker 1: know why he didn't think that, because you don't trade
Speaker 1: Luca ever, at least you don't do it at twenty
Speaker 1: five years old. Right. So I wouldn't be surprised if
Speaker 1: Cuban knew that it's gonna be tough to get the
Speaker 1: stadium we need, because remember he remember when he bought
Speaker 1: that team, and he was right. It was like, oh,
Speaker 1: they got the new fancy the lockers, and they treat
Speaker 1: the players top not like like you gotta be top
Speaker 1: notch now. And that's two billion dollars, that's two billion
Speaker 1: dollars you just got to have two billion dollars. I
Speaker 1: think he saw it might be tough to get a stadium.
Speaker 1: Let me sell it. Let me let me take the
Speaker 1: profit instead of digging a bigger hole. And if that
Speaker 1: means the team goes to Vegas like that, it's off
Speaker 1: my hands, so to speak. That's the best I can
Speaker 1: think of. But I agree with you. One Cuban saw
Speaker 1: this seven steps away. He was on it.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I'll throw my I'll throw my Lebron
Speaker 2: theory at you. Lebron has always avoided a mess. So
Speaker 2: he leaves Cleveland. He plays in the Olympics and he's like, man,
Speaker 2: I got to play with good players. Dan Snyder's can't
Speaker 2: get me. He goes to Miami four finals, Wade and Boshed,
Speaker 2: especially Wade is struggling to play back to backs.
Speaker 1: He bails. He's right.
Speaker 2: He goes to Cleveland, gets the title. Kyrie's like, I
Speaker 2: don't want to be here. We're maxed out. He leaves
Speaker 2: a second time. This time everybody's good with it. He
Speaker 2: goes to the Lakers. People love Lonzo Ball. Kyle Kuzma,
Speaker 2: he didn't. He got rid of him, brings in a
Speaker 2: D eighty was great, and I believe Lebron realized as
Speaker 2: he aged about two years ago that he could not
Speaker 2: be on every possession every night the lead initiator, and
Speaker 2: Austin Reeves is more of a three or a four
Speaker 2: than a two. And so I think he was looking
Speaker 2: for Steph two years ago, and he made overtures overtures
Speaker 2: and went back channels with Steph and stuff's like, man,
Speaker 2: I'm good here. And then I think he was interested
Speaker 2: in Jokic.
Speaker 1: And I think it happened to be like, hey, do
Speaker 1: you want to come here? That's right, that was part
Speaker 1: of the conversation.
Speaker 2: How about And then he knew Jokic could also make
Speaker 2: the game easier for him. Denver's not interested. And I
Speaker 2: think when Cuban sold the Mavericks, I think Lebron went
Speaker 2: back channels thought to himself, here's the moment. I'm going
Speaker 2: to make sure he knows I like him a lot.
Speaker 2: I think eventually he made it known upstairs, guys, I'm
Speaker 2: getting older. I cannot play forty minutes. I love ad
Speaker 2: to death, but I can't be the play initiator every
Speaker 2: damn time down the floor. I can't do it. I mean,
Speaker 2: there are times now when you watch him now. Austin
Speaker 2: Reeves hasn't played in a couple of games. When Luca
Speaker 2: and Austin are there to get I mean, it's like
Speaker 2: Lebron's just got a smile on his face. He just
Speaker 2: he's floating in the wing. It's in and by the
Speaker 2: way he's.
Speaker 1: Got he's earned that, by the way, he's earned the right.
Speaker 2: But I do think I think, and this is not
Speaker 2: a criticism, I think Lebron's the smartest player in league history,
Speaker 2: arguably in a short list. I think he's calculated. And
Speaker 2: the idea that he just woke up one day and went, well,
Speaker 2: what do you know, we got Luca the perfect teammate.
Speaker 1: I don't buy that.
Speaker 2: I I I just I mean, Marcus, I'm not a
Speaker 2: tinfoil hat guy. But Lebron is too smart. He's too
Speaker 2: much of a businessman. I think he made he let
Speaker 2: everybody know Luca is the target. You think I'm nuts,
Speaker 2: I don't. I just wonder how you keep that quiet?
Speaker 2: Because one thing Bron hasn't been great at is keeping
Speaker 2: all this stuff quiet. So Okham's razor come into play.
Speaker 2: What's more like that Lebron pulled this from behind the street,
Speaker 2: which I'm not saying is off the table, or Nico Harrison.
Speaker 1: Was like, I got the move, that's go make me
Speaker 1: a legend. I don't know. They're both kind of wild.
Speaker 1: We did he really just do this though? Did Nicos
Speaker 1: just decide, you know what, I'm gonna call Rob Pa Lincoln,
Speaker 1: We're gonna make this happen. No, I don't. That's almost
Speaker 1: as crazy.
Speaker 2: Well, so I had this discussion two nights ago at
Speaker 2: dinner with a friend. I said, you know, the star
Speaker 2: players in the last CBA, they're getting like outrageous money,
Speaker 2: and I have no problem with it, but they're making
Speaker 2: significantly more than Patrick Mahomes, and I think it's different.
Speaker 2: I think billionaires have no problem writing forty million dollars
Speaker 2: annual checks, but Marcus, when that check is seventy five
Speaker 2: million annually. Okay, I'm looking at everything. Look, I'm looking
Speaker 2: at everything. I'm looking at your injuries. I'm looking at
Speaker 2: your as a teammate. Can I ask some things in
Speaker 2: the choices?
Speaker 1: Yep?
Speaker 2: And I think I think that ownership group said this
Speaker 2: is back to back camps. He's missed, he's been hurt
Speaker 2: since Christmas. He's doesn't know what's doing he leaves the
Speaker 2: minute the season's over. He doesn't do much off season.
Speaker 2: I think ownership made it clear we're not sure if
Speaker 2: we're going three fifty large on this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, very clear though, right, because I don't think if
Speaker 1: they weren't thinking that way, Nico couldn't do it.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: They had to be thinking that way, right. The question is,
Speaker 1: like the same investigation they do for like to see
Speaker 1: if he's worth the seventy five million a year, that
Speaker 1: investigation might at some point tell them, yeah, he might,
Speaker 1: he might actually be worth it still, right, Like did
Speaker 1: their investigation not include this part? Like, Hey, I wonder,
Speaker 1: I wonder if we're gonna have to give money back
Speaker 1: for season tickets if we do this right, Like did
Speaker 1: they stop the investigation at Luca or did they analyze,
Speaker 1: here's what a magnetic NBA superstar bringing the value they
Speaker 1: bring to a franchise and they decided it was less
Speaker 1: than three fifty. But what Lucas? What is Luca worth
Speaker 1: to the Bavs? Like that's the part I don't understand.
Speaker 1: I agree with you. They're probably like, yeah, three fifty
Speaker 1: is a lot, like that might be too much, But
Speaker 1: like if you analyze Steph Curry like, what's his value?
Speaker 1: Oh god to the words like you should like that's
Speaker 1: the part of like Lucas twenty five, you got him
Speaker 1: ten more years, what's the value?
Speaker 2: Well. Also, though Steph is a domestic product, Steph has
Speaker 2: multiple titles. He's incredibly likable, mister community.
Speaker 1: He is a perfect face of franchise.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And whereas Luca's you know, little international hookah bars
Speaker 2: loves his beverages, leaves the city the minute the season's over,
Speaker 2: like there's and by the way, really not in great shape.
Speaker 2: Although I'll say this, he looks better in the last
Speaker 2: ten days and he did in Dallas. I mean he
Speaker 2: looks he's gotten tighter. It's the La lifestyle.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And the shape thing is not nothing because they
Speaker 1: didn't win a championship partly because he was he was
Speaker 1: gashed at the end. He was done. He was done. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: So that's not so to like, I understand that, to say, hey,
Speaker 1: we got to the finals and part of the reason
Speaker 1: we didn't win is because our best player was done.
Speaker 1: And the response to that is I'm still not gonna
Speaker 1: get in shape. That's probably a little bit troubling because
Speaker 1: the guys we know who are in the position Luca is.
Speaker 1: If that happens, they're coming back in shape. They're like,
Speaker 1: I'm never feeling that again, right, Like We're going to
Speaker 1: work out like crazy and I'm coming back. You know,
Speaker 1: you got have that question me about pigs. That's how
Speaker 1: much shape I'm gonna be in after getting sunned by
Speaker 1: Jalen Brown in the NBA Finals. Right. So the fact
Speaker 1: that his response was to be the same guy, I
Speaker 1: could see that being troubling. Still, Colin, he's Luca. At
Speaker 1: some point the just got a matter.
Speaker 2: More well, I said, I said, I wouldn't have made
Speaker 2: the deal, but if you'd get if you if you
Speaker 2: would have been able to corral three first round picks
Speaker 2: A D and Austin Reeves, then I wouldn't have done it.
Speaker 2: But I'd sleep on that considering yes, three first A
Speaker 2: D and Austin Reeves, because Austin then can be a
Speaker 2: number two play initiator to Kyrie Irving, so Kyrie doesn't
Speaker 2: have to do every That to me is such a
Speaker 2: just it's just bad uh strategy Spencer dinwhod He's not
Speaker 2: going to be able to do that in a regular basis.
Speaker 2: So if I were to get another I mean Austin's
Speaker 2: averaging eighteen a game. He can play, he can he
Speaker 2: can be a playmaker three first and the best defensive
Speaker 2: player arguable in league. I sleep on that, And again
Speaker 2: I wouldn't sleep on it. If Luca was in great
Speaker 2: shape and Luca didn't have back to back cap injuries
Speaker 2: and miscamp, then I don't. But there you have to do.
Speaker 2: You get to seventy five million annually, I'm going to
Speaker 2: consider ankle turns like everything.
Speaker 1: Like I really need to see what's under your fingernails
Speaker 1: at that point. Now with you, A better bounty would
Speaker 1: make this a little bit more palatable, no question.
Speaker 2: So the Lakers go into a really rough sled that
Speaker 2: they play. I think it's the next. This airs tomorrow morning.
Speaker 2: They go up against the next the Celtics, the Bucks,
Speaker 2: a lot of road games Denver. It's a rough sled.
Speaker 2: What's it looked like for the Warriors going forward? Where
Speaker 2: are their challenges?
Speaker 1: They're pretty They're actually in a pretty good place from
Speaker 1: a schedule perspective. They got Brooklyn, they probably assuming they
Speaker 1: beat Brooklyn. But let's just assume they beat Brooklyn. They
Speaker 1: come home for a long like homestand I mean they
Speaker 1: get Milwaukee at home. They got two games left against
Speaker 1: the Lakers. But they are done with Boston, They're done
Speaker 1: with Cleveland, They're done with the teams that give them problems.
Speaker 1: So they've got they're sitting actually kind of pretty. They
Speaker 1: get Toronto and Phoenix. Their schedule is very doable, Like
Speaker 1: it's very they're in a good place, like they're not
Speaker 1: like cupcake games with not a lot of Charlotte's, but
Speaker 1: it's a lot of those teams. They should beat the
Speaker 1: Sacramentos right the San Anto.
Speaker 2: What did you make in New York watching them? What
Speaker 2: do you make of the next.
Speaker 1: Nixon? Nixon is just disappointment. I'm gonna give a pass
Speaker 1: because Towns wasn't out there. But for a team that
Speaker 1: can't shoot threes, they sure a jack a lot. But
Speaker 1: I don't like their will at the end. And I wonder,
Speaker 1: I wonder if Thibodeaux has worn them down. They they
Speaker 1: they their will on the defensive end. Limit.
Speaker 2: It can't just be they're just not as good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can. You can break them defensively, and that's
Speaker 1: that's gonna be troubling now again, playoff back skey ball
Speaker 1: is different. It's half court to half court it's matchup base.
Speaker 1: But I'm wondering, what are their legs like? Like what
Speaker 1: is what is their psyche like? After what is this
Speaker 1: year three, year four of TIBs And I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's like it's Gee Santos. It was Gee Santo's cooking.
Speaker 1: They're like, we're not talking about like Steffle's cooler, like
Speaker 1: Jimmy Butler was okay. But they're getting out worked by
Speaker 1: guys who should be in the G League. Their will
Speaker 1: just breaks sometimes, like if you watch Knicks, they just
Speaker 1: they just decide to give up and then it's like Brunson,
Speaker 1: go save us. So I don't. I mean, obviously Boston
Speaker 1: and Cleveland are at the top. But I'll tell you this,
Speaker 1: if I'm New York, I don't want them Pistons in
Speaker 1: the first round. I'll tell you that much. You know,
Speaker 1: you don't want to see them Pistons in the first round.
Speaker 1: That that young, hungry team full of athletes who willing
Speaker 1: to fight. Yeah, nah, I don't know if they have
Speaker 1: the will. So again, they didn't have Town, so that's something.
Speaker 1: But I'm I'm worried about the Knicks team. I'm not
Speaker 1: quite Stephen A. Smith level worried, but I'm worried about
Speaker 1: the day.
Speaker 2: Well, I've watched them play Boston twice, and I've watched
Speaker 2: one of the Cleveland games, and they attack Karl Anthony
Speaker 2: town I mean, they.
Speaker 1: Just attack on I don't know. Towns is not going
Speaker 1: to solve this problem in the playoffs. He might, they
Speaker 1: might be able to score more, which will help you
Speaker 1: get something. He's great, Yeah, no question, he'll he'll he'll
Speaker 1: go out and get you some buckets in the playoffs
Speaker 1: and he'll he'll create some moments. But like this team,
Speaker 1: you know, if they get either Boston or Cleveland in
Speaker 1: the second round, I just don't know. To get one
Speaker 1: of them, they have to get one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they just don't match. Cleveland is so officive. Cleveland
Speaker 2: and Boston are the two best teams in the league.
Speaker 2: They can defend the rim, they can defend the perimeter.
Speaker 2: They've got scoring guards, they've got scoring wings. They're both efficient. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's I always say, if Derek White is it's some night,
Speaker 2: it's the fifth best player on your team. That is
Speaker 2: a that It's almost like they you know, with the
Speaker 2: new taxes and the new ceilings and the the way
Speaker 2: it works in the NBA second Aprons all the second
Speaker 2: apron shit. It's like Boston for about two years, beat it.
Speaker 2: They've got a roster that you couldn't build right now,
Speaker 2: but they kind of gland fathered it in and they
Speaker 2: just got too many good players.
Speaker 1: Yeah. In Cleveland, man, that Deandree Hunter trade was like unfair.
Speaker 1: They were already really good. They's got another And that's
Speaker 1: the thing about all these guys like that, you got
Speaker 1: to be able to guard wings and you look like
Speaker 1: you just listened like four people of Boston who gu
Speaker 1: guard wings. Cleveland just added up another guy. They've got
Speaker 1: guys who could guard wings. That to be is gonna
Speaker 1: be like, I'm not putting Oklahoma City in there yet
Speaker 1: because I want to see them in the playoffs guard
Speaker 1: wings or guard the explosive point guard. Like they've got
Speaker 1: the bodies, they got the the stats, right, they right
Speaker 1: pretty well defensively. Playoffs are different monsters. It's just different. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And this Cleveland team, you've had Donovan Mitchell and Evan Mobley,
Speaker 2: you know, last year they kind of disappointed us. Oklahoma
Speaker 2: City feels like Cleveland last year, really impressive, but not
Speaker 2: quite ready to go on the road and give you
Speaker 2: a plus plus stuff from from role players on the road.
Speaker 2: I think Cleveland's ready to do that now. Mobley just
Speaker 2: Mobley's better every year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and and again they've added the upgrade pieces to
Speaker 1: like they didn't just run it back with the same team.
Speaker 1: And that's that's what we're going to see about. Okay, See,
Speaker 1: maybe Shaye is just that good where he figured it
Speaker 1: out like he felt it they lost to Dallas, he
Speaker 1: went to work and got better. Maybe he's enough and
Speaker 1: Jayalen Williams is enough next to him. I just want
Speaker 1: to see it first because experience matters a lot. It's
Speaker 1: just the playoffs are a different monster. Like if they
Speaker 1: get Yo Kics. I love Chick Holk. What is he
Speaker 1: doing with Nicola Jokic like that? That's just gonna be
Speaker 1: a tough like you gona have to fight. You got
Speaker 1: to fight out of that series. You know, Jamal Murray
Speaker 1: shows up, it's over. He'll always show up. But what
Speaker 1: he does, it's pretty good. Right. So that and Russ
Speaker 1: you like, you have to fight to get out the West.
Speaker 1: So I'm curious about how the kind of fight Oklahoma
Speaker 1: City have. If they got it, they should they should
Speaker 1: be in the finals. If not, it's gonna be a
Speaker 1: long offseason for Sam Presty because he's got like a
Speaker 1: bounty of stuff. That is, like he at some point
Speaker 1: you probably need to cash in all these assets you're
Speaker 1: so famous for and get something, right, go go go
Speaker 1: get you honest. Then if if if you can't win,
Speaker 1: like go do something with all that. That's who that's
Speaker 1: where Lucas should be. I'm like, hey, give me all
Speaker 1: that stuff for Lucas, right, that's what I he should
Speaker 1: be in Oklahoma City with my seven picks, three young
Speaker 1: players and defensive stoppers and all that that, like if
Speaker 1: they got to win. Otherwise, Sam Presty needs to go
Speaker 1: in and cash in that winning ticket he's got or
Speaker 1: the winning tickets.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean every other NBA draft is, you know,
Speaker 2: fairly talentless. This past draft, it just there's not a
Speaker 2: lot there. So like you can have all these draft picks,
Speaker 2: but what you have to do is when you get
Speaker 2: that every third draft, when it's really deep, you got
Speaker 2: to go all in and then then I mean, I
Speaker 2: couldn't say the last time we had great back to
Speaker 2: back drafts. That's just not the way it works anymore.
Speaker 2: You get like a good one, a bad one, a
Speaker 2: moderate one, a good one. So I think, okay, I
Speaker 2: think Presty's sharp. You know, it's I worry about homegrin
Speaker 2: long term, his body. But they got waves of players.
Speaker 2: You want to see KD back there. It's interesting. Jmack
Speaker 2: on my show today. I don't know if it's a
Speaker 2: very attractive place for KD. But I will say this,
Speaker 2: I don't know his relationship with Presty. If you're asking
Speaker 2: me if there's a dude that works, it's Oklahoma City
Speaker 2: and KD. Because he doesn't need the ball. He is
Speaker 2: catch and shoot and Sga needs the ball. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm catching a lot of chips. It'd be
Speaker 2: a two year experiment. But Jesus him home Grun Sga Williams, Jesus,
Speaker 2: that is a lot of buckets.
Speaker 1: That's a lot of buckets. A lot of thin buckets too.
Speaker 2: Marcus Thompson, great senior, man Love Senior. Likewise, likewise, it's
Speaker 2: hard out here in these streets.
Speaker 1: I got my new assignment. I'm covering figure skating World
Speaker 1: Championship for who. Let's go for the athletic you are,
Speaker 1: I am an accomplished Olympic writer now Colin. I was
Speaker 1: in Paris covering the track and field and now I'm
Speaker 1: going to figure skating. Can you imagine me at the
Speaker 1: figure skating. I'm in this thing. I'm out here college. Wow.
Speaker 1: Good for you.
Speaker 2: Well you're a great writer, so you've got the ability
Speaker 2: to do different, different things.
Speaker 1: I'm taking advantage of it now. I'm looking forward to this.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, let's go. Next time, we're going to
Speaker 1: talk about the quad guy in advance of the winter.
Speaker 2: I can't promise you that for the athletic the very
Speaker 2: talented Marcus Thompson, Thanks buddy, thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: My gush.
Speaker 2: The volume