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Speaker 2: All right, he's one of my favorite guests, and it's

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Speaker 2: a perfect time to get him. Marcus Thompson right for

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Speaker 2: the Athletic he's the author of the book Golden KD

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Speaker 2: and Dynasties really plugged in. I you know, it's it's

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Speaker 2: the Warrior's got a lot of good people covering him.

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Speaker 2: I think Marcus does as good a job as anybody

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Speaker 2: and he is joining us. I mean, it's so funny

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Speaker 2: because I watched a lot of Warriors basketball, and in

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Speaker 2: my job, I got to watch a lot of stuff.

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Speaker 2: But you know, I just got into a habit, you know,

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Speaker 2: for ten years of watching the Warriors. And I made

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Speaker 2: a comment, I'm like, man, when Steph is off the floor,

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Speaker 2: this is pre Jimmy Butler. I'm like, this is a

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Speaker 2: boring ass team. This is a bad watch. And I said,

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Speaker 2: I'd bring in Jimmy Butler just for energy and juice.

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Speaker 2: He'll just get everybody all worked up. So we're you

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Speaker 2: in When you heard Jimmy was coming, were you in

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Speaker 2: the It may not work camp, it'll work kind of camp,

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Speaker 2: or it'll be sensational camp, which camp were you in.

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Speaker 1: I might be in all three. To be honest with you,

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Speaker 1: I might I might have been in all three. Uh,

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Speaker 1: for you. Like he probably shouldn't be the a one

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Speaker 1: plays hard, Colin. There's a difference, yeah, between an all

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Speaker 1: star and the superstar. Yeah, these teams are categorically different.

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Speaker 1: And because of all the drama that was going down

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Speaker 1: That that to me is the thing cognitively, if you said, yeah,

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Speaker 1: what he needs. But watching him with Jimmy, it reminds

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Speaker 1: the crazy part is he didn't even have to play well. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he doesn't even have to play well. He's not shooting

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Speaker 1: well right now, he's not even taking his shots. Jimmy

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Speaker 1: He's just on the court and by virtue of being

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Speaker 1: Jimmy Butler on the court, he will punish you if

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Speaker 1: you if you let him, and if you don't, then

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Speaker 1: Steph will punish you. So like that's the thing. Like

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Speaker 1: expect this dude to come in and be like, all right,

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Speaker 1: I'm part of this thing. He just came in as

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Speaker 1: Jimmy and it changed everything. And I was like heyo,

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Speaker 2: He's also I've used the word he's a very intentional player,

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Speaker 2: like possessions matter. He doesn't waste possessions. I always thought

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Speaker 2: He would waste possessions. You weren't quite sure if he

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Speaker 2: He's more intentional. He gets to the free throw line,

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Speaker 2: this with Lebron, with Luca is when you're on a

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Speaker 2: hard to get guys like Steph for Lebron fired up

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Speaker 2: benefits of making a trade with a great player. The

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Speaker 2: something to be said about the fit. Hell, Kuminga's not

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Speaker 2: playing what when you watch When you watch Butler analytically,

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Speaker 1: see it. Steph is a different dude. Yeah, Steph's a monster.

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Speaker 1: It's so crazy. He said it, and I didn't know

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Speaker 1: Steph took thirty six shots, and then the next day

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Speaker 1: he took thirty two. It was the first time in

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Speaker 1: his career he taking thirty shots in back to back games.

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Speaker 1: He never done that before. And Jimmy hadn't even played yet.

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Speaker 1: Just the fact that we got Jimmy, now let's turn up.

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Speaker 1: So the fact that Jimmy has that impact on Steph,

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Speaker 1: the part that's so very viscerally clear is they just

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Speaker 1: It was boring. They got guys who just don't go

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Speaker 1: It's wide open. As a matter of fact, I'm going

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Speaker 1: that's kind of working. But without that, they're just chucking threes.

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Speaker 1: They aren't really very good, and it was it was

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Speaker 1: just draining life out of step So to me, that

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Speaker 1: that part has been such a jolt, Like they're they're

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Speaker 1: like a top five offensive defense with Jimmy, but they

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Speaker 2: And the other thing is you see this in baseball,

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Speaker 2: always felt Kumingo was being kind of four to be

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Speaker 1: I do think I think he will get pinched a

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Speaker 1: So the thing that's gonna be difficult for cominga is

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Speaker 1: Jimmy Butler's playing a lot and Draymond is playing a lot.

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Speaker 1: That's two dudes who do not shoot through. Draymond will

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Speaker 1: I think he's he's probably gonna come off the bench.

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Speaker 1: So this is gonna be this It's the last puzzle

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Speaker 2: Four seedon I think that's exactly they were dead.

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Speaker 1: They were dead. It was over. Like Steph is doing

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Speaker 2: I think teams like Houston can't shoot, Memphis too young,

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Speaker 1: Said, still got to see it, Still go to see it.

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Speaker 2: I said, okay, see, I would not want to face

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Speaker 2: the Warriors. I'd have no interest in that. I mean,

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Speaker 2: you got you got four hundred some playoff games with Jimmy, Draymond,

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Speaker 2: Steph like, I got no interest. Chat Holmgren's good. Let's

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Speaker 2: Jimmy always had this reputation and he's bounced around a

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Speaker 2: little bit that he can be difficult. I see him

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Speaker 1: It's a trip. Man, He's the coolest guy in the world.

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Speaker 1: Like it's so funny to get the reputation of a

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Speaker 1: that will cuts out the entire team and the coach

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Speaker 1: right like in a practice. The guy that will, you know,

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Speaker 1: clearly there. But he's he's very warm, he's he's good.

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Speaker 1: Jimmy right now his spiritual high. He got an extra

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Speaker 1: fifty eight million dollars, which helps I think about a

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Speaker 1: just had this perception that Jimmy would be somebody that

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Speaker 1: go talk about some dominoes. He'll talk your ear off

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Speaker 1: about some dominoes, right because he cooked Draymond apparently in dominoes.

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Speaker 2: I think he's been thinking about that since Mark Cuban

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Speaker 1: And once Steve comes out with a mic in the face.

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Speaker 1: Like that's that's ball game. The question at that point

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Speaker 1: was what what do you do? So from what I

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Speaker 1: I just think they needed to know they were gonna

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Speaker 2: And listen, Kminga was a good draft pick. POD's Moody.

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Speaker 2: the suffering Maverick fans. I mean Kyrie gets hurt because

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Speaker 2: of the unintended liabilities of that trade is when Luca left,

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Speaker 2: when he but he's not the playmaker of Luca obviously.

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Speaker 2: So now Kyrie's got to play more minutes, have the

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Speaker 2: ball more, stand the floor more, and at the end

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Speaker 2: I think some of it is just that it was

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Speaker 1: A massive problem? That's what it's. It's a, where are

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Speaker 1: part of that is Lebron, Like, they don't have anybody

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Speaker 1: you could throw Draymond on him, but you need Draymond

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Speaker 1: in the back, and they just haven't had anybody. Wiggins

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Speaker 1: was okay at it, but you know, it's still Lebron.

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Speaker 1: Now you had another guy, it's basically another guy who

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Speaker 1: But so now the Lakers have two of the guys

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Speaker 1: they had one Wiggins, it'd be fine, right, if they

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Speaker 1: had Wiggins with Butler, it'd be a little bit better.

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Speaker 1: But now you're asking Kamenia to do it. You're asking

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Speaker 1: that's a lot. So that's why that's such a difficult matchup.

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Speaker 1: The Lakers are a difficult matchup for that reason. Denver's

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Speaker 2: It's you know, it's it's funny, Marcus. So I've watched

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Speaker 2: there is a game plan, right, guys are sitting around watching.

425
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Speaker 2: You don't have a lot of prep time in the NBA.

426
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Speaker 2: You talk about it at shoot around. You do about

427
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Speaker 2: ten minutes before the game. You have sort of a

428
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:51,320
Speaker 2: mission to get on front and use some matchup advantages.

429
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Speaker 2: The Lakers start for six minutes of these games, Marcus,

430
00:22:55,600 --> 00:23:00,679
Speaker 2: they are so good early and they really Now by

431
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,160
Speaker 2: the way, Steve Kerr was always the great coach out

432
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Speaker 2: of half.

433
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Speaker 1: He was the great absolutely third quarter, third quarter coach.

434
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Speaker 2: What are you hearing around the league on Reddick when

435
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:12,880
Speaker 2: you talk to people, I know you cover the Warriors,

436
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:17,000
Speaker 2: but I just think you can see his excellence early

437
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:18,200
Speaker 2: and late in games.

438
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think defensively is the part you hear where

439
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:25,760
Speaker 1: people were saying, like, Wow, they're actually really good defensively,

440
00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:29,000
Speaker 1: and the Lakers have places to go to attack, like

441
00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:32,000
Speaker 1: you could attack Austin Reeves, you could attack Lebron right.

442
00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:35,320
Speaker 1: Lebron's been known to loaf on defense, but somehow they've

443
00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 1: managed to be good on defense, which is they add

444
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 1: Luca and get better on defense. And to me that

445
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:47,000
Speaker 1: like the adjustment piece too, Like how fast can you

446
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:50,520
Speaker 1: shift philosophies? Do you have to stay on what that

447
00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:52,760
Speaker 1: game plan you said at the beginning? Do you have

448
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:54,560
Speaker 1: to stay on that because you said it at the

449
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:57,800
Speaker 1: beginning to hope it works or can you shift? Are

450
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Speaker 1: your guys prepared to shift? What we're seeing from from

451
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:04,959
Speaker 1: the Lakers? That makes you be like, hey, how does

452
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,680
Speaker 1: JJ know what he's doing already? Like when you talk

453
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,119
Speaker 1: to people, they're like, you know what, the Lakers defense,

454
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,399
Speaker 1: it's pretty good, like and then they lose ad and

455
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:17,480
Speaker 1: and somehow managed to still get really good defensively. It's

456
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 1: surprising people like I don't think you know, obviously we

457
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:22,600
Speaker 1: thought he was like a Lebron plan. We thought he

458
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:26,720
Speaker 1: was like it's basically like podcast nepotism, if there's such

459
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:30,960
Speaker 1: a thing, right, Like, but he's actually pretty good, Like

460
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:34,480
Speaker 1: he's he knows what he's doing. Not now we'll see

461
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 1: the like as you said, it's the management of personalities

462
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 1: in the long run, right, it's how you how you

463
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,760
Speaker 1: deal with this stuff. But he's got like the Dorian

464
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:47,680
Speaker 1: Finney Smith, Rory Hodgemore, Ryan Jackson Hayes. He's got these

465
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,639
Speaker 1: players who number one, are going to do what he says,

466
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 1: and number two they're trying to fight for a spot

467
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 1: in the league, right so they can go out and

468
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:59,640
Speaker 1: execute right that you're seeing him work these it's these

469
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:03,120
Speaker 1: ex the earier pieces that are doing so well. That's

470
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 1: the part where JJ's kind of showing his ability. He

471
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 1: knows when when to go with Rory, when to switch out,

472
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,760
Speaker 1: when to go big, Like Jackson Hayes is not this good.

473
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,480
Speaker 1: I don't care. I don't know what's happening, but they're

474
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 1: supposed to be done. You lose Anthony Davis, and Anthony

475
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:21,680
Speaker 1: Davis wanted a big, remember that was the thing. The

476
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:24,680
Speaker 1: Lakers need a big. They don't get the big, and

477
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 1: they get rid of Anthony Davis and somehow they're still managing.

478
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 1: So if it weren't for what's happening in the Detroit

479
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 1: and JB. Bickerstaff, we we talking about JJ as coaching

480
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:40,199
Speaker 1: the year, which is kind of insane because they were

481
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 1: just doing a podcast like a year ago.

482
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I mean, you know some Jason Kidd came

483
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 2: out pretty early. Steve Nash in Brooklyn was a bit

484
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 2: of a mess.

485
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Speaker 1: But I mean, Colley, would you like to be an

486
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:52,359
Speaker 1: assistant coach who's been on the bitch for fifteen years?

487
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 1: Wait for your shot watching these dudes walk in?

488
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but you know, I mean there is something

489
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 2: to be said. I mean JJ was on broadcasts and

490
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:06,400
Speaker 2: podcasts and he sounded very aerad dite absolutely years at least. Yeah,

491
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,920
Speaker 2: I mean he you know, Jason kidds similarly. These guys

492
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:13,399
Speaker 2: around basketball, they've got intuitive, intuitive feel for it. So

493
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:16,439
Speaker 2: you wrote that article on the suffering MAVs fans.

494
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Speaker 1: Do you think.

495
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:25,160
Speaker 2: When Cuban Cuban sold the team? Mark has a pretty

496
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 2: good sense of business timing and exit strategy? Absolutely, why

497
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Speaker 2: do you think? Why do you think Cuban sold? I

498
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:41,879
Speaker 2: tend to think everything Mark's again Mark. Mark is very

499
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,360
Speaker 2: good at seeing around corners. I can disagree with him

500
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 2: sometimes on loving NFTs and Bitcoin or politics or whatever

501
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:52,120
Speaker 2: it is, but it's it just feels like Cuban sold

502
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 2: the team and it hasn't felt the same since he

503
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Speaker 2: sold it.

504
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Speaker 1: You know the fact like when he sold it, I thought,

505
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:08,119
Speaker 1: it's just a Vegas move? Are you sell it to

506
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 1: the Vegas billionaire the Adamson family, right, the wife of

507
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:15,439
Speaker 1: the famous you know Vegas casino guy, the one who

508
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 1: got fleeced by Mark Davis? Enough for the Raiders, But

509
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 1: I thought it's just a Vegas move. And one of

510
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 1: the things that I've learned from Joe Lacup and the

511
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,399
Speaker 1: whole A's debaclecas you know, Oakland has lost its teams,

512
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,639
Speaker 1: and it's all boils down to you got to be

513
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 1: ready to spend one point five to two billion dollars

514
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 1: own the stadium. You just have to be able to

515
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 1: do that and if you're not ready to do that,

516
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 1: now you're relying on your local municipality to come up

517
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 1: with the money. And I'm like, I'm thinking, cubansaw, do

518
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 1: I want to spend a two billion dollar stadium or

519
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 1: cash out and get my billions?

520
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 2: Right?

521
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 1: It's the opposite move of what John Fisher did with

522
00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,239
Speaker 1: Ya's sell the team to get billions or No. Now

523
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 1: he's playing in like a high school stadium in Sacramento

524
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 1: because they don't want to sell it like that. That's

525
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:11,159
Speaker 1: what I thought. I don't think at any point he

526
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,440
Speaker 1: thought Luca was gonna be traded. You know why. You

527
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 1: know why he didn't think that, because you don't trade

528
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 1: Luca ever, at least you don't do it at twenty

529
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:23,680
Speaker 1: five years old. Right. So I wouldn't be surprised if

530
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:27,399
Speaker 1: Cuban knew that it's gonna be tough to get the

531
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 1: stadium we need, because remember he remember when he bought

532
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:32,920
Speaker 1: that team, and he was right. It was like, oh,

533
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,120
Speaker 1: they got the new fancy the lockers, and they treat

534
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 1: the players top not like like you gotta be top

535
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 1: notch now. And that's two billion dollars, that's two billion

536
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 1: dollars you just got to have two billion dollars. I

537
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 1: think he saw it might be tough to get a stadium.

538
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 1: Let me sell it. Let me let me take the

539
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 1: profit instead of digging a bigger hole. And if that

540
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 1: means the team goes to Vegas like that, it's off

541
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 1: my hands, so to speak. That's the best I can

542
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 1: think of. But I agree with you. One Cuban saw

543
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 1: this seven steps away. He was on it.

544
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I'll throw my I'll throw my Lebron

545
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 2: theory at you. Lebron has always avoided a mess. So

546
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 2: he leaves Cleveland. He plays in the Olympics and he's like, man,

547
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 2: I got to play with good players. Dan Snyder's can't

548
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 2: get me. He goes to Miami four finals, Wade and Boshed,

549
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 2: especially Wade is struggling to play back to backs.

550
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 1: He bails. He's right.

551
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 2: He goes to Cleveland, gets the title. Kyrie's like, I

552
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 2: don't want to be here. We're maxed out. He leaves

553
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 2: a second time. This time everybody's good with it. He

554
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 2: goes to the Lakers. People love Lonzo Ball. Kyle Kuzma,

555
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 2: he didn't. He got rid of him, brings in a

556
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 2: D eighty was great, and I believe Lebron realized as

557
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 2: he aged about two years ago that he could not

558
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 2: be on every possession every night the lead initiator, and

559
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 2: Austin Reeves is more of a three or a four

560
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 2: than a two. And so I think he was looking

561
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 2: for Steph two years ago, and he made overtures overtures

562
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 2: and went back channels with Steph and stuff's like, man,

563
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 2: I'm good here. And then I think he was interested

564
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 2: in Jokic.

565
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Speaker 1: And I think it happened to be like, hey, do

566
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 1: you want to come here? That's right, that was part

567
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 1: of the conversation.

568
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 2: How about And then he knew Jokic could also make

569
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 2: the game easier for him. Denver's not interested. And I

570
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 2: think when Cuban sold the Mavericks, I think Lebron went

571
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 2: back channels thought to himself, here's the moment. I'm going

572
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 2: to make sure he knows I like him a lot.

573
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Speaker 2: I think eventually he made it known upstairs, guys, I'm

574
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 2: getting older. I cannot play forty minutes. I love ad

575
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 2: to death, but I can't be the play initiator every

576
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,239
Speaker 2: damn time down the floor. I can't do it. I mean,

577
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 2: there are times now when you watch him now. Austin

578
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 2: Reeves hasn't played in a couple of games. When Luca

579
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 2: and Austin are there to get I mean, it's like

580
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 2: Lebron's just got a smile on his face. He just

581
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 2: he's floating in the wing. It's in and by the

582
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 2: way he's.

583
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 1: Got he's earned that, by the way, he's earned the right.

584
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 2: But I do think I think, and this is not

585
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 2: a criticism, I think Lebron's the smartest player in league history,

586
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 2: arguably in a short list. I think he's calculated. And

587
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 2: the idea that he just woke up one day and went, well,

588
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 2: what do you know, we got Luca the perfect teammate.

589
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 1: I don't buy that.

590
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 2: I I I just I mean, Marcus, I'm not a

591
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 2: tinfoil hat guy. But Lebron is too smart. He's too

592
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 2: much of a businessman. I think he made he let

593
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 2: everybody know Luca is the target. You think I'm nuts,

594
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 2: I don't. I just wonder how you keep that quiet?

595
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 2: Because one thing Bron hasn't been great at is keeping

596
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 2: all this stuff quiet. So Okham's razor come into play.

597
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 2: What's more like that Lebron pulled this from behind the street,

598
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 2: which I'm not saying is off the table, or Nico Harrison.

599
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 1: Was like, I got the move, that's go make me

600
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 1: a legend. I don't know. They're both kind of wild.

601
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 1: We did he really just do this though? Did Nicos

602
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 1: just decide, you know what, I'm gonna call Rob Pa Lincoln,

603
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 1: We're gonna make this happen. No, I don't. That's almost

604
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 1: as crazy.

605
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 2: Well, so I had this discussion two nights ago at

606
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 2: dinner with a friend. I said, you know, the star

607
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 2: players in the last CBA, they're getting like outrageous money,

608
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 2: and I have no problem with it, but they're making

609
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 2: significantly more than Patrick Mahomes, and I think it's different.

610
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 2: I think billionaires have no problem writing forty million dollars

611
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 2: annual checks, but Marcus, when that check is seventy five

612
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 2: million annually. Okay, I'm looking at everything. Look, I'm looking

613
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 2: at everything. I'm looking at your injuries. I'm looking at

614
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 2: your as a teammate. Can I ask some things in

615
00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 2: the choices?

616
00:32:59,160 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 1: Yep?

617
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 2: And I think I think that ownership group said this

618
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 2: is back to back camps. He's missed, he's been hurt

619
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 2: since Christmas. He's doesn't know what's doing he leaves the

620
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,959
Speaker 2: minute the season's over. He doesn't do much off season.

621
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 2: I think ownership made it clear we're not sure if

622
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 2: we're going three fifty large on this.

623
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, very clear though, right, because I don't think if

624
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 1: they weren't thinking that way, Nico couldn't do it.

625
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:27,239
Speaker 2: Right.

626
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 1: They had to be thinking that way, right. The question is,

627
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 1: like the same investigation they do for like to see

628
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 1: if he's worth the seventy five million a year, that

629
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 1: investigation might at some point tell them, yeah, he might,

630
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 1: he might actually be worth it still, right, Like did

631
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 1: their investigation not include this part? Like, Hey, I wonder,

632
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 1: I wonder if we're gonna have to give money back

633
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:56,719
Speaker 1: for season tickets if we do this right, Like did

634
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: they stop the investigation at Luca or did they analyze,

635
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 1: here's what a magnetic NBA superstar bringing the value they

636
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 1: bring to a franchise and they decided it was less

637
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,919
Speaker 1: than three fifty. But what Lucas? What is Luca worth

638
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 1: to the Bavs? Like that's the part I don't understand.

639
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 1: I agree with you. They're probably like, yeah, three fifty

640
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 1: is a lot, like that might be too much, But

641
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,720
Speaker 1: like if you analyze Steph Curry like, what's his value?

642
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 1: Oh god to the words like you should like that's

643
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,359
Speaker 1: the part of like Lucas twenty five, you got him

644
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 1: ten more years, what's the value?

645
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:36,359
Speaker 2: Well. Also, though Steph is a domestic product, Steph has

646
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:40,360
Speaker 2: multiple titles. He's incredibly likable, mister community.

647
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:42,840
Speaker 1: He is a perfect face of franchise.

648
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And whereas Luca's you know, little international hookah bars

649
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,319
Speaker 2: loves his beverages, leaves the city the minute the season's over,

650
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:54,240
Speaker 2: like there's and by the way, really not in great shape.

651
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 2: Although I'll say this, he looks better in the last

652
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 2: ten days and he did in Dallas. I mean he

653
00:34:57,640 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 2: looks he's gotten tighter. It's the La lifestyle.

654
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, And the shape thing is not nothing because they

655
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: didn't win a championship partly because he was he was

656
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:12,800
Speaker 1: gashed at the end. He was done. He was done. Yeah, absolutely,

657
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 1: So that's not so to like, I understand that, to say, hey,

658
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:22,320
Speaker 1: we got to the finals and part of the reason

659
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 1: we didn't win is because our best player was done.

660
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 1: And the response to that is I'm still not gonna

661
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 1: get in shape. That's probably a little bit troubling because

662
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 1: the guys we know who are in the position Luca is.

663
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 1: If that happens, they're coming back in shape. They're like,

664
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Speaker 1: I'm never feeling that again, right, Like We're going to

665
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 1: work out like crazy and I'm coming back. You know,

666
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,359
Speaker 1: you got have that question me about pigs. That's how

667
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 1: much shape I'm gonna be in after getting sunned by

668
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 1: Jalen Brown in the NBA Finals. Right. So the fact

669
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 1: that his response was to be the same guy, I

670
00:35:56,480 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 1: could see that being troubling. Still, Colin, he's Luca. At

671
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 1: some point the just got a matter.

672
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Speaker 2: More well, I said, I said, I wouldn't have made

673
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 2: the deal, but if you'd get if you if you

674
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 2: would have been able to corral three first round picks

675
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 2: A D and Austin Reeves, then I wouldn't have done it.

676
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 2: But I'd sleep on that considering yes, three first A

677
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 2: D and Austin Reeves, because Austin then can be a

678
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 2: number two play initiator to Kyrie Irving, so Kyrie doesn't

679
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 2: have to do every That to me is such a

680
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 2: just it's just bad uh strategy Spencer dinwhod He's not

681
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 2: going to be able to do that in a regular basis.

682
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 2: So if I were to get another I mean Austin's

683
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 2: averaging eighteen a game. He can play, he can he

684
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 2: can be a playmaker three first and the best defensive

685
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:51,479
Speaker 2: player arguable in league. I sleep on that, And again

686
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 2: I wouldn't sleep on it. If Luca was in great

687
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 2: shape and Luca didn't have back to back cap injuries

688
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 2: and miscamp, then I don't. But there you have to do.

689
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,840
Speaker 2: You get to seventy five million annually, I'm going to

690
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 2: consider ankle turns like everything.

691
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 1: Like I really need to see what's under your fingernails

692
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 1: at that point. Now with you, A better bounty would

693
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 1: make this a little bit more palatable, no question.

694
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Speaker 2: So the Lakers go into a really rough sled that

695
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:30,879
Speaker 2: they play. I think it's the next. This airs tomorrow morning.

696
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,240
Speaker 2: They go up against the next the Celtics, the Bucks,

697
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 2: a lot of road games Denver. It's a rough sled.

698
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 2: What's it looked like for the Warriors going forward? Where

699
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 2: are their challenges?

700
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 1: They're pretty They're actually in a pretty good place from

701
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 1: a schedule perspective. They got Brooklyn, they probably assuming they

702
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 1: beat Brooklyn. But let's just assume they beat Brooklyn. They

703
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 1: come home for a long like homestand I mean they

704
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,760
Speaker 1: get Milwaukee at home. They got two games left against

705
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Speaker 1: the Lakers. But they are done with Boston, They're done

706
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 1: with Cleveland, They're done with the teams that give them problems.

707
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 1: So they've got they're sitting actually kind of pretty. They

708
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 1: get Toronto and Phoenix. Their schedule is very doable, Like

709
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 1: it's very they're in a good place, like they're not

710
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 1: like cupcake games with not a lot of Charlotte's, but

711
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 1: it's a lot of those teams. They should beat the

712
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 1: Sacramentos right the San Anto.

713
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Speaker 2: What did you make in New York watching them? What

714
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Speaker 2: do you make of the next.

715
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:33,439
Speaker 1: Nixon? Nixon is just disappointment. I'm gonna give a pass

716
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 1: because Towns wasn't out there. But for a team that

717
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:37,360
Speaker 1: can't shoot threes, they sure a jack a lot. But

718
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 1: I don't like their will at the end. And I wonder,

719
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 1: I wonder if Thibodeaux has worn them down. They they

720
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 1: they their will on the defensive end. Limit.

721
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,359
Speaker 2: It can't just be they're just not as good.

722
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:56,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can. You can break them defensively, and that's

723
00:38:56,680 --> 00:39:00,399
Speaker 1: that's gonna be troubling now again, playoff back skey ball

724
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 1: is different. It's half court to half court it's matchup base.

725
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 1: But I'm wondering, what are their legs like? Like what

726
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 1: is what is their psyche like? After what is this

727
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 1: year three, year four of TIBs And I don't know.

728
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:19,240
Speaker 1: It's like it's Gee Santos. It was Gee Santo's cooking.

729
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 1: They're like, we're not talking about like Steffle's cooler, like

730
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 1: Jimmy Butler was okay. But they're getting out worked by

731
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 1: guys who should be in the G League. Their will

732
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 1: just breaks sometimes, like if you watch Knicks, they just

733
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 1: they just decide to give up and then it's like Brunson,

734
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 1: go save us. So I don't. I mean, obviously Boston

735
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,800
Speaker 1: and Cleveland are at the top. But I'll tell you this,

736
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:44,360
Speaker 1: if I'm New York, I don't want them Pistons in

737
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 1: the first round. I'll tell you that much. You know,

738
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 1: you don't want to see them Pistons in the first round.

739
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,439
Speaker 1: That that young, hungry team full of athletes who willing

740
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 1: to fight. Yeah, nah, I don't know if they have

741
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 1: the will. So again, they didn't have Town, so that's something.

742
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:02,360
Speaker 1: But I'm I'm worried about the Knicks team. I'm not

743
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 1: quite Stephen A. Smith level worried, but I'm worried about

744
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:05,319
Speaker 1: the day.

745
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 2: Well, I've watched them play Boston twice, and I've watched

746
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 2: one of the Cleveland games, and they attack Karl Anthony

747
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 2: town I mean, they.

748
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:16,839
Speaker 1: Just attack on I don't know. Towns is not going

749
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 1: to solve this problem in the playoffs. He might, they

750
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 1: might be able to score more, which will help you

751
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 1: get something. He's great, Yeah, no question, he'll he'll he'll

752
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 1: go out and get you some buckets in the playoffs

753
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:33,799
Speaker 1: and he'll he'll create some moments. But like this team,

754
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 1: you know, if they get either Boston or Cleveland in

755
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:41,839
Speaker 1: the second round, I just don't know. To get one

756
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 1: of them, they have to get one.

757
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, they just don't match. Cleveland is so officive. Cleveland

758
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 2: and Boston are the two best teams in the league.

759
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 2: They can defend the rim, they can defend the perimeter.

760
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:57,319
Speaker 2: They've got scoring guards, they've got scoring wings. They're both efficient. Yeah,

761
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 2: it's I always say, if Derek White is it's some night,

762
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 2: it's the fifth best player on your team. That is

763
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 2: a that It's almost like they you know, with the

764
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 2: new taxes and the new ceilings and the the way

765
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 2: it works in the NBA second Aprons all the second

766
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 2: apron shit. It's like Boston for about two years, beat it.

767
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 2: They've got a roster that you couldn't build right now,

768
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 2: but they kind of gland fathered it in and they

769
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 2: just got too many good players.

770
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 1: Yeah. In Cleveland, man, that Deandree Hunter trade was like unfair.

771
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 1: They were already really good. They's got another And that's

772
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 1: the thing about all these guys like that, you got

773
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 1: to be able to guard wings and you look like

774
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 1: you just listened like four people of Boston who gu

775
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 1: guard wings. Cleveland just added up another guy. They've got

776
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 1: guys who could guard wings. That to be is gonna

777
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 1: be like, I'm not putting Oklahoma City in there yet

778
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,399
Speaker 1: because I want to see them in the playoffs guard

779
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 1: wings or guard the explosive point guard. Like they've got

780
00:41:55,680 --> 00:42:00,399
Speaker 1: the bodies, they got the the stats, right, they right

781
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:04,439
Speaker 1: pretty well defensively. Playoffs are different monsters. It's just different. Yeah.

782
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 2: And this Cleveland team, you've had Donovan Mitchell and Evan Mobley,

783
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 2: you know, last year they kind of disappointed us. Oklahoma

784
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 2: City feels like Cleveland last year, really impressive, but not

785
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:18,320
Speaker 2: quite ready to go on the road and give you

786
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:21,439
Speaker 2: a plus plus stuff from from role players on the road.

787
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:23,800
Speaker 2: I think Cleveland's ready to do that now. Mobley just

788
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 2: Mobley's better every year.

789
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, and and again they've added the upgrade pieces to

790
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 1: like they didn't just run it back with the same team.

791
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 1: And that's that's what we're going to see about. Okay, See,

792
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 1: maybe Shaye is just that good where he figured it

793
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 1: out like he felt it they lost to Dallas, he

794
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 1: went to work and got better. Maybe he's enough and

795
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 1: Jayalen Williams is enough next to him. I just want

796
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 1: to see it first because experience matters a lot. It's

797
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 1: just the playoffs are a different monster. Like if they

798
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 1: get Yo Kics. I love Chick Holk. What is he

799
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 1: doing with Nicola Jokic like that? That's just gonna be

800
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 1: a tough like you gona have to fight. You got

801
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 1: to fight out of that series. You know, Jamal Murray

802
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 1: shows up, it's over. He'll always show up. But what

803
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 1: he does, it's pretty good. Right. So that and Russ

804
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 1: you like, you have to fight to get out the West.

805
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: So I'm curious about how the kind of fight Oklahoma

806
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 1: City have. If they got it, they should they should

807
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 1: be in the finals. If not, it's gonna be a

808
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 1: long offseason for Sam Presty because he's got like a

809
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 1: bounty of stuff. That is, like he at some point

810
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 1: you probably need to cash in all these assets you're

811
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 1: so famous for and get something, right, go go go

812
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 1: get you honest. Then if if if you can't win,

813
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 1: like go do something with all that. That's who that's

814
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 1: where Lucas should be. I'm like, hey, give me all

815
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 1: that stuff for Lucas, right, that's what I he should

816
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 1: be in Oklahoma City with my seven picks, three young

817
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:57,240
Speaker 1: players and defensive stoppers and all that that, like if

818
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 1: they got to win. Otherwise, Sam Presty needs to go

819
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 1: in and cash in that winning ticket he's got or

820
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 1: the winning tickets.

821
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Speaker 2: Well, I mean every other NBA draft is, you know,

822
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 2: fairly talentless. This past draft, it just there's not a

823
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 2: lot there. So like you can have all these draft picks,

824
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 2: but what you have to do is when you get

825
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:15,880
Speaker 2: that every third draft, when it's really deep, you got

826
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 2: to go all in and then then I mean, I

827
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 2: couldn't say the last time we had great back to

828
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 2: back drafts. That's just not the way it works anymore.

829
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Speaker 2: You get like a good one, a bad one, a

830
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 2: moderate one, a good one. So I think, okay, I

831
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 2: think Presty's sharp. You know, it's I worry about homegrin

832
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 2: long term, his body. But they got waves of players.

833
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:40,720
Speaker 2: You want to see KD back there. It's interesting. Jmack

834
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 2: on my show today. I don't know if it's a

835
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 2: very attractive place for KD. But I will say this,

836
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:49,360
Speaker 2: I don't know his relationship with Presty. If you're asking

837
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 2: me if there's a dude that works, it's Oklahoma City

838
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:55,320
Speaker 2: and KD. Because he doesn't need the ball. He is

839
00:44:55,400 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 2: catch and shoot and Sga needs the ball. So yeah,

840
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm catching a lot of chips. It'd be

841
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 2: a two year experiment. But Jesus him home Grun Sga Williams, Jesus,

842
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 2: that is a lot of buckets.

843
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 1: That's a lot of buckets. A lot of thin buckets too.

844
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:22,720
Speaker 2: Marcus Thompson, great senior, man Love Senior. Likewise, likewise, it's

845
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:23,760
Speaker 2: hard out here in these streets.

846
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Speaker 1: I got my new assignment. I'm covering figure skating World

847
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Speaker 1: Championship for who. Let's go for the athletic you are,

848
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 1: I am an accomplished Olympic writer now Colin. I was

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Speaker 1: in Paris covering the track and field and now I'm

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Speaker 1: going to figure skating. Can you imagine me at the

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Speaker 1: figure skating. I'm in this thing. I'm out here college. Wow.

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Speaker 1: Good for you.

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Speaker 2: Well you're a great writer, so you've got the ability

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Speaker 2: to do different, different things.

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Speaker 1: I'm taking advantage of it now. I'm looking forward to this.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, let's go. Next time, we're going to

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Speaker 1: talk about the quad guy in advance of the winter.

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Speaker 2: I can't promise you that for the athletic the very

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Speaker 2: talented Marcus Thompson, Thanks buddy, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: My gush.

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Speaker 2: The volume