WEBVTT - Bedtime w/ Jaclyn Smith

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<v Speaker 1>Of the law and order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable.

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<v Speaker 2>We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the

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<v Speaker 2>vicious felonies.

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<v Speaker 3>These episodes are based on. These are our stories.

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<v Speaker 4>Done done.

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, Welcome to That's Messed Up, an SVU podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Kara Klank and I'm Liza Traeger. We're talking SVU.

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<v Speaker 2>We're talking crimes, and then we have celeb guests. It's

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<v Speaker 2>really a jam packed podcast and I listen, I have

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<v Speaker 2>a lot to say.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we have a lot of like random things to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about this morning, this one today.

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<v Speaker 2>Like So for me, I would like to say I

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<v Speaker 2>have hung out with members of the band Lamb of

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<v Speaker 2>God two times in one week now, and I got

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<v Speaker 2>to go to the Rainbow Room, which is like a

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<v Speaker 2>metal rock and roll bar with people that are in

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<v Speaker 2>a popular metal band and sit in like a booth

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<v Speaker 2>where guns of Roses sat. So I felt excited. It

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<v Speaker 2>was thrilling. Thank you Frank Castillo for knowing the drummer.

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<v Speaker 1>I would love somebody to go to our Apple podcast

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<v Speaker 1>reviews and leave a review like they won't stop name

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<v Speaker 1>dropping Lamb of God, like that you went out with a.

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<v Speaker 3>Metal band.

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<v Speaker 1>I love this name drop because I don't know who

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<v Speaker 1>this is. When she told me, I was like, oh nit,

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<v Speaker 1>are they a band? Like I was a full mom.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I asked Jared and my husband and he

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<v Speaker 1>was like, oh, awesome, like he loves metal and they're

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<v Speaker 1>they're well.

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<v Speaker 2>Because my friend Frank is such a stoner and is

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<v Speaker 2>in the weed. Like I assumed they were weed guys.

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<v Speaker 2>But one does have a long gray beard and long

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<v Speaker 2>gray hair, so I should have put it together that

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<v Speaker 2>maybe metal was in his life. But then I ended

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<v Speaker 2>my evening terribly with a cut tree fried steak in

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<v Speaker 2>the middle of the night.

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<v Speaker 3>What makes a steak country fried? Is it like breaded?

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<v Speaker 2>It's breaded and fried baby served with hash browns, pancakes

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<v Speaker 2>and eggs.

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<v Speaker 3>Shit, And we all got it.

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of like when you go to a restaurant,

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<v Speaker 2>everyone gets the same thing, Like that's that's what.

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<v Speaker 3>We don't mind group mind. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>But anyway, so very Hollywood, and it's tough because I'm

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<v Speaker 2>trying to work on myself in lots of different avenues

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<v Speaker 2>and it's like I want to be more social but

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<v Speaker 2>then treat my body better, and it's like you can't

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<v Speaker 2>do both. Yeah, if you're someone who can treat your

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<v Speaker 2>body well and be social, that's not the fun I

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<v Speaker 2>want to have.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not bowling sober for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean you want to have fun, but then it's

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<v Speaker 1>also really hard to be healthy or I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>have children. Everything is difficult. I but I was jealous

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<v Speaker 1>when I heard about your fun night out. I never

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<v Speaker 1>get to quote. If I'm up at four am, it's

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<v Speaker 1>because I'm feeding someone a bottle. So it's exciting that

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<v Speaker 1>you get to rock and roll.

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<v Speaker 3>Rock and roll is exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>I was actually gonna go back because because I had

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<v Speaker 2>some yogurts delivered, I had like groceries at the house,

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<v Speaker 2>so they were all going to go out, and I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, I think I'm gonna head home. And my

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<v Speaker 2>friend looked at me and went, we're going We're going

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<v Speaker 2>out with Lamb of God. Like you're right, what am

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<v Speaker 2>I I'm gonna go home to get my groceries and

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<v Speaker 2>salad kits Like no, I'm going.

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<v Speaker 3>So what happened with the grocery sitting there when you

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<v Speaker 3>got home?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, of course one yogurt is missing, but I'm just

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<v Speaker 2>gonna get a reef. I don't think anyone took the yogurt,

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<v Speaker 2>but I was excited to have a maple yogurt.

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<v Speaker 3>Maple is an underused flavor that I It.

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<v Speaker 1>Was also quite chilly out yesterday, so I'm sure your

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<v Speaker 1>food stayed nice and fresh.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I wasn't worried. And someone is trying to

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<v Speaker 2>stress me out. They're like, what about raccoons. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not stressed about it, and I don't know why

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<v Speaker 2>you're trying to make it.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't really think we have the same kind of

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<v Speaker 1>raccoon issue in LA because sometimes, like my we'll put

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<v Speaker 1>our trash out on our patio and I'm like, Jared,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm worried about raccoons, and he'll leave it there all night,

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<v Speaker 1>and we don't have raccoon bites or anything, So I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not I don't think.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I just watched a video on my phone of a

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<v Speaker 2>person's window in their and like three raccoons trying to

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<v Speaker 2>get in, like pawing at the window, like wanding into

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<v Speaker 2>the apartment.

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<v Speaker 3>All those raccoons are I.

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<v Speaker 1>Love a raccoon in theory. They're little hands. I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's oh yeah, they look like little burglars, but like,

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<v Speaker 1>aren't they like vicious.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but they prank cats like they're just their garbage.

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<v Speaker 3>People raise them as pets, didn't Kirsty Ali.

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<v Speaker 1>And we had to read Kirsty Ali's book for a

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<v Speaker 1>podcast that we will uh we will disclose to you

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<v Speaker 1>at a future time.

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<v Speaker 3>But like, uh, she like had pet raccoons.

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<v Speaker 2>I think if you're raising raccoons, you have problems. And

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<v Speaker 2>I don't care if you're a raccoon a razor out there,

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<v Speaker 2>you're a weird.

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<v Speaker 3>You have to admit you're weird.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, So I wanted to really quickly bring something

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<v Speaker 1>up today on the podcast because a couple of listeners

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<v Speaker 1>have contacted us, and this is something that we're pretty

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<v Speaker 1>into that we like to call out when there's women

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<v Speaker 1>on death row unnecessarily or unfairly, and there is a

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to bring attention to this case that's

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<v Speaker 1>happening right now.

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<v Speaker 3>This woman is named.

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<v Speaker 1>Melissa Lucio, and uh, we're going to post it on

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<v Speaker 1>our stories. But essentially, this woman has, like as so

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<v Speaker 1>many women do, a horrible history of abuse and sexual

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<v Speaker 1>assault and violence in her life. And she had a

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<v Speaker 1>two year old daughter who died in an accident falling

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<v Speaker 1>down a flight of stairs and then she was interrogated

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<v Speaker 1>by police for hours and hours and hours on end

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<v Speaker 1>until she just said, I guess I did it. And

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<v Speaker 1>now she's on fucking death row and she had nothing

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<v Speaker 1>to do with her her daughter's death, and it's really

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<v Speaker 1>fucking unfair. And I'm really hoping that they can because

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<v Speaker 1>I think she says there is this this is in Texas,

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<v Speaker 1>and she's set to be executed at the end of April,

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<v Speaker 1>so like many judges have said that this trial was unfair,

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<v Speaker 1>so I'm really hoping that they're going to be able

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<v Speaker 1>to commute her sentence. But it is Texas, so who

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<v Speaker 1>fucking knows. But anyway, we're going to put a link

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<v Speaker 1>to this on the Instagram. But I just wanted everyone

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<v Speaker 1>to go and like sign the petitions, go to Innocence Project,

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<v Speaker 1>Like just google her name Melissa Lucio. We'll put the

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<v Speaker 1>petition on our thing. I just wanted to bring some

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<v Speaker 1>light to that because we do talk about that all

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<v Speaker 1>the time.

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<v Speaker 2>So what happened, Yeah, I want to I definitely have

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<v Speaker 2>to catch up on that because I don't know and

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<v Speaker 2>that makes me really upset.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's a really tough story and I'm sorry to

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<v Speaker 1>go right from your fun night with Limb of God

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<v Speaker 1>into that, but such is the intro to this podcast. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to shout out that I've talked about You're

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<v Speaker 1>wrong about before the podcast that I like, and they

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<v Speaker 1>just did an interview this week or are they're One

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<v Speaker 1>of the most recent episodes is about junk science and

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of it has to do they mentioned SVU,

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<v Speaker 1>like a lot of it has is all about the

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<v Speaker 1>junk science around crime, and like blood spatter is mostly

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<v Speaker 1>junk science, like fingerprint evidence is like kind of not proven.

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<v Speaker 1>Like there's all this interesting stuff. So I'm not even

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<v Speaker 1>done with the episode. I just wanted to shout it

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<v Speaker 1>out and say if people are interested, it's kind of hey,

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<v Speaker 1>but are these things admissible in court or not? Or

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<v Speaker 1>is it just to help solve the crimes for detectives

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<v Speaker 1>or does this blood splatter or spatmatter? Does the we

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<v Speaker 1>read the messages blood spatter like, so are people using

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<v Speaker 1>it in court or not? Basically, it's like what they're

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<v Speaker 1>talking well, you got to listen to the whole episode,

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<v Speaker 1>but what she's talking about is like there's definitely a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of the times this is like a certification course

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<v Speaker 1>that someone can take to become quote unquote an expert

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<v Speaker 1>in that. But like it's like it's not always yes,

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<v Speaker 1>an expert can walk onto a crime scene and say, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>judging by the pool of blood here, probably this person

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<v Speaker 1>was attacked from behind. It's just not always completely accurate

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<v Speaker 1>and crazy. Something that they talk about is breathalyzers are

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<v Speaker 1>incredibly inaccurate, and people are getting fucking DUI's left and

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<v Speaker 1>right across this whole country. It's a whole industry of DUI's,

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<v Speaker 1>like DUI lawyers breath alized, like this whole thing. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's like there can be I think there's something like

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<v Speaker 1>a forty percent inaccuracy rate in breathalyzers, and that's just

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<v Speaker 1>like the science that we've accepted and it's not accurate.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's a really really cool episode that I think

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<v Speaker 1>people need to listen to.

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<v Speaker 3>I was always taught you never blow. Yeah, I wouldn't

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<v Speaker 3>blow if I got pulled over, Absolutely not. You give

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<v Speaker 3>them nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, if we learned anything that's not junk science, you

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<v Speaker 2>give them nothing. And then we obviously have to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about the most SVU crime that's ever happened in twenty

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<v Speaker 2>oh my God, I don't even know if SVU would do,

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<v Speaker 2>would go this far, but go on, a teacher and

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<v Speaker 2>her weird boyfriend cop husband put jiz sperm in some

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<v Speaker 2>cupcakes and gave them to the children, and they are

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<v Speaker 2>in jail. But the New York Post was sallacious and

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<v Speaker 2>it said that she got forty one years for feeding

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<v Speaker 2>the cum cupcakes, which I thought was excessive. But I

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<v Speaker 2>was then told by better sources Kara, my friend Steve

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<v Speaker 2>last night, Josh that they were found with a bunch

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<v Speaker 2>of child sex abuse images and then like assaulting teens together.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, it's barbecular style. But how did they find

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<v Speaker 2>out about the sperm cakes? Like, That's what I don't understand,

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<v Speaker 2>Like who told on them? Did they brag about it?

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<v Speaker 2>Did a kid know it was jizz? That's bad too.

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder if she gave that information to the cops

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<v Speaker 1>for leniency, like if she was like, hey, he made

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<v Speaker 1>me do this or whatever, and then that story got

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<v Speaker 1>out because it's so fucking psycho and sallacious.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Yeah, Okay, Louis admits she admitted doing it.

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<v Speaker 2>Why is it always the Post every article that's I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think every source lets to cover it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, if you're talking about jiz cakes, you're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>the New York Post. I mean, like that's who's talking

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<v Speaker 1>about it, you know, like that's where you're gonna get.

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<v Speaker 3>Your number one source in jiz news.

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<v Speaker 2>And she, I think, is going to turn him, and

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<v Speaker 2>like the Post was saying, she's gonna prove what a

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<v Speaker 2>monster he is. So we'll see what kind of abuse

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<v Speaker 2>this cop is about.

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<v Speaker 1>But ugh, yeah, I mean it's tough because it's like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>she could be abused, like she could be a victim herself.

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<v Speaker 2>But like but and then I was talking to someone.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, it could have been you. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know where who I was talking to. But they're like

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<v Speaker 2>the sick part too, is she just sat there watching

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<v Speaker 2>the kids eat the sperm cakes like she liked that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Like because the husband probably wasn't there for that,

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<v Speaker 1>So even if he forced her to bring in come

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<v Speaker 1>laced cupcakes, she could have thrown them away, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Was he like send me video of them eating it,

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<v Speaker 1>like it's like weird.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Yeah, she pled guilty. She admitted to her crimes

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<v Speaker 2>and pled guilty, waived any right to appeal.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Oh they filmed a juvenile bathing. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Forty one years is just so much. But it's also deesah.

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<v Speaker 1>Because she's like thirty six, so she would be like

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<v Speaker 1>seventy seven coming out of jail. It is effect it's

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<v Speaker 1>like not a life sentence, but it's not.

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<v Speaker 3>But maybe she.

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<v Speaker 1>Would get time off for good behavior. It's like, is

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<v Speaker 1>there no, is there? There is probably possibility of parole, right.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, but she also like.

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<v Speaker 2>She is a danger to society and yeah, yeah, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>can you trust her? She's feeding sperm to the children.

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<v Speaker 3>That is so fucking gross.

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<v Speaker 1>This is gonna be an SVU. There's no way they

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<v Speaker 1>can't do this.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my Lamb of God voice, it's going do you

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<v Speaker 2>guys hear the cracks.

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<v Speaker 3>To stay out in La? So four am is like

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<v Speaker 3>pretty great.

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<v Speaker 1>That is fun because La is an earlier town. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not like Chicago or New York. You know wait, I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to also bring up this is so funny, but

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<v Speaker 1>like I thought that you might appreciate this because of

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<v Speaker 1>your cookie jar obsession. Yeah, so a listener wrote into

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<v Speaker 1>us and said that they for wedding gifts will give

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<v Speaker 1>something called a nookie jar, and they it's a cookie jar,

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<v Speaker 1>but you're supposed to put money in it every time

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<v Speaker 1>you fuck, I guess, and that your friends give it

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<v Speaker 1>to you, and they started out with some money in it,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I don't know, like maybe you use it

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<v Speaker 1>to buy something cool at the end. Anyway, I just

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<v Speaker 1>thought you might think that the nookie jar was something.

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<v Speaker 3>I do think that's cool. I do think that's cool. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I love any sort of fun money saving tricks.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, fucking for funds everyone.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I wonder, yeah, what motivates what? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>And then maybe you like look in it at the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the year, you're like, we should have more

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<v Speaker 1>money in here.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's get going. You know who knows.

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<v Speaker 1>And obviously we also are so thrilled with everybody's response

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<v Speaker 1>to our tour announcement. I'm so excited that so many

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<v Speaker 1>of you have already bought tickets for Tempe and Denver

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<v Speaker 1>and Portland and Seattle and all of our California cities.

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<v Speaker 3>Please keep buying them.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone that's telling us to come to their city, we

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<v Speaker 1>definitely want to come to your city. We have to

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<v Speaker 1>like do well at these cities so that we can

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<v Speaker 1>move on to other cities. So if you know people

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<v Speaker 1>that live in these cities, please tell them to come

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<v Speaker 1>and check us out.

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<v Speaker 2>Business is hard, like stringing together venues after COVID.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just like it's kind of a bonker. Everything is

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<v Speaker 1>bonkers every Yeah. It's also like it is a full

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<v Speaker 1>bottleneck of like nobody's performed in two years, and now

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<v Speaker 1>everybody's going out on the road, like podcasts, comedians, fucking magicians,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean. Like everyone's going out on

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<v Speaker 1>the road. So it's like we're all kind of Joe

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<v Speaker 1>do Days. Yeah, yeah, fucking Joe Gorga, Like all these

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<v Speaker 1>people are doing stand up or doing you know, some

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<v Speaker 1>kind of live performance. So we obviously want to come

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<v Speaker 1>to you know, New York, Chicago, all these places you

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<v Speaker 1>guys are telling us about.

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<v Speaker 3>We want to come so make our West Coast Tora success.

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<v Speaker 1>But one thing I wanted to point out was somebody

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<v Speaker 1>that was buying tickets for the Portland show noticed that

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<v Speaker 1>on the map of the theater or the Aladdin where

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<v Speaker 1>we're playing in Portland, there's something in the top corner

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<v Speaker 1>called a cry room. And we posted it on our

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<v Speaker 1>Instagram because we were like, oh, this is like funny,

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<v Speaker 1>like a cry room. And then we started getting all

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<v Speaker 1>these messages from people that are like, my church has that,

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<v Speaker 1>my church has that, like Mormon's Catholics. All different people

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<v Speaker 1>wrote us and said, our church has these crimerooms. I've

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<v Speaker 1>never heard of this. I don't know Jews in synagogue,

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<v Speaker 1>we did not have a cry room to take a

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<v Speaker 1>kid that's acting up. And some of them said that

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<v Speaker 1>even in the cry room, they'll be like a veed

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<v Speaker 1>of the ceremony of the Mass, so that the parents

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<v Speaker 1>can still like participate in church even when their kid

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<v Speaker 1>is acting God forbid a little bit. Yeah, wouldn't want

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<v Speaker 1>to miss a hymn. So I just thought that was wild,

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<v Speaker 1>that that's a thing that exists.

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<v Speaker 3>I've never heard of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously, we're two Jews, and I don't think that there

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<v Speaker 1>are cry rooms in a synagogue. So no, no, just

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<v Speaker 1>coatrooms for all the bar metzvahs. I guess you could

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<v Speaker 1>throw your kid into one of those.

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<v Speaker 3>I might have an adult bought mitzvah.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, that's a great throwing it out there,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a great fucking idea. But we have to dress

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<v Speaker 1>like we would have dressed when we were thirteen, going

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<v Speaker 1>your ah mitzvah, like I want to wear like a

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<v Speaker 1>fucking off the shoulder dress that like poofs out, like

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<v Speaker 1>the shit I used to wear to bar mitzvahs. It

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<v Speaker 1>was so high pressure when I was in middle school

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<v Speaker 1>and going to bom Mitzva's and bar mitzvahs if you

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<v Speaker 1>wore the same dress. I remember I wore the same

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<v Speaker 1>dress to one and somebody was like, didn't you wear

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<v Speaker 1>that to Daniels? And I was like yeah, like and

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<v Speaker 1>then I was like, mom, I gotta I gotta get

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<v Speaker 1>new dresses, Like I can't wear the same dress twice

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<v Speaker 1>because you would get like ridicule.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, peer pressure is so annoying.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because Penn fifteen covered it so well with the

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<v Speaker 2>gift in the necklace and the bot Mitzvah, they really

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<v Speaker 2>are able to take these like emotions from junior high

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<v Speaker 2>and make them so cringey and good to watch.

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<v Speaker 3>They like get into our hearts.

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't watched the last eight episodes that just came

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<v Speaker 1>out a few months ago because I'm truly like too

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<v Speaker 1>sad that it will be over.

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<v Speaker 3>Well.

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<v Speaker 2>Hopefully this won't give you too much away, but one

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<v Speaker 2>episode maya realize it is that she's like, wait, are

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<v Speaker 2>I poor, and suddenly she starts realizing that she might

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<v Speaker 2>be poor and like can't afford to get these gifts.

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<v Speaker 2>But the girl doesn't even care. But I wish in

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<v Speaker 2>that moment you had the knowledge to be like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I did, yeah, and you know, like it's there's all

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<v Speaker 2>these little comebacks where if I wish you could go

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<v Speaker 2>back in the time and.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, of course, like I wish I could have been like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I wore it once three weeks ago. Who cares, Like

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<v Speaker 1>I wish, you know, but like obviously you're you melt

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<v Speaker 1>into a puddle of embarrassment because you need your mom

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<v Speaker 1>to take you to Macy's to get another fucking floral dress.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh man, I would love for you to have an

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<v Speaker 1>adult bot mitzvah. That would be so fucking fun. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think I'm gonna do it when you get dancers

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<v Speaker 1>like you know how Camille Grammar used to be like

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<v Speaker 1>one of the MTV dancers. I would go to bot

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<v Speaker 1>mitzvahs that had the MTV dancers like on the dance

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<v Speaker 1>floor to rile people up like hype men crazy.

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<v Speaker 3>I knew a hype man. Oh, I mean, Rene Gotier

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<v Speaker 3>was famously a barmetzva hype person.

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<v Speaker 2>Rene Gote famously has one of the best bodies I've

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<v Speaker 2>ever seen in my life.

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<v Speaker 3>Is that harassment? Oh I've actually listening.

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<v Speaker 1>Nay, nay, Okay, I think that was all I had

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<v Speaker 1>on my list to talk about. But yeah, guys, go

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<v Speaker 1>to that s messed up live dot com and get

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<v Speaker 1>tickets for the tour. We're gonna, obviously just keep pushing

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<v Speaker 1>it for the next few weeks. So sorry, I get

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<v Speaker 1>used to it. Is there anything else, Lisa that you

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to touch on?

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<v Speaker 2>No, I'm hanging on by a thread, counting every second

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<v Speaker 2>till I can lay down again.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, but we have an awesome episode for you guys,

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<v Speaker 1>so to stick right around. This episode is Bedtime season eleven,

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<v Speaker 1>episode eighteen. If you've already done your homework, you know

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<v Speaker 1>this is a Neil Bear classiek from twenty ten, so

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<v Speaker 1>let's dive into it. We open on a guy on

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<v Speaker 1>the phone going can't wait to see you too, in

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<v Speaker 1>the guiltiest way possible. And this man then throws clothes

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<v Speaker 1>at his girlfriend who's standing there in her bra and

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<v Speaker 1>he's like, my wife, she's two minutes away, and it's like, dude,

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<v Speaker 1>you need to like take ten deep breasts because you're

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<v Speaker 1>already busted just from the way you were just talking

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<v Speaker 1>on the phone to your wife and.

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<v Speaker 3>Yesid, Like what do you say that you were doing? Yeah, yeah, sorry,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm working out and I.

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<v Speaker 1>Just I can't wait to see you, Like it is

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<v Speaker 1>so weird. And the side chick is, like, you said

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<v Speaker 1>she was at work, and he goes bitch like her,

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<v Speaker 1>she probably got fired, and it's like, okay, bro, but

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<v Speaker 1>you're like fully cheating on your wife in your own

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<v Speaker 1>home in the middle of the day, So who's the

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<v Speaker 1>real bitch here? And so he tells his side chick

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<v Speaker 1>to like go out the window down the fire escape

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<v Speaker 1>and it's snowing. She's wearing like ugs, sweatpants and some

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<v Speaker 1>big coat sweater and a bra, so her shirt is

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<v Speaker 1>definitely still in the apartment and that's just a detail

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<v Speaker 1>I noticed. And her name is Angie, and Angie's like,

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<v Speaker 1>why can't.

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<v Speaker 3>We just use this as an opportunity to come clean

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<v Speaker 3>about us, Like this would be great.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's just let her come home and find me in

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<v Speaker 1>my bra and we'll just talk it like it's hilarious.

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<v Speaker 1>And then this man is I mean, obviously a huge coward,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's like not no, just go go go. Shoes

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<v Speaker 1>are away down the firescape and then we hear Angie

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<v Speaker 1>go she's dead and love her. Boy's like okay, well,

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<v Speaker 1>don't make threats about death, and he's like, no her,

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<v Speaker 1>and then the camera cuts to Angie's POV and we

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<v Speaker 1>see a woman face down on a mattress, hands tied

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<v Speaker 1>behind her back, lying in a pool of blood with

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<v Speaker 1>an X carved into her cheek.

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<v Speaker 3>Gruesome, gruesome. Yeah, I don't like scarface things.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's yeah, I've been learning in the past

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<v Speaker 2>few episodes and yellow.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't need to see a crime blood face. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but thank you jes.

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<v Speaker 1>You for the regular just like you know, choked out

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<v Speaker 1>purple face that they show people.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Well I also hated when they had the little baby

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<v Speaker 2>under a like the more sheet and I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't like the even the hint of a little.

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<v Speaker 3>Baby on the slab that.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't love that either. Yeah, not great. I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>love the injection into the thumb. There are just some

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<v Speaker 2>moments that her too much.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So we cut to Stabler. He's at the crime scene.

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<v Speaker 1>The woman that's lying face down on the bed. Is

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<v Speaker 1>named Jane Whitmore. She's thirty years old. There's no sign

0:20:12.280 --> 0:20:15.800
<v Speaker 1>of force entry, so Live is like, she probably knew

0:20:15.840 --> 0:20:19.040
<v Speaker 1>the guy. Olivia looks gorgeous here, like just the first

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<v Speaker 1>shot of her, I'm like, wow, she looks so beautiful,

0:20:21.080 --> 0:20:23.840
<v Speaker 1>shoulder length hair, natural, subtle highlight.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm loving it.

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<v Speaker 1>And our girl Melinda Warner's there and she tells them

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<v Speaker 1>that the guy probably carved the ex post mortem. There's

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<v Speaker 1>no fibers, no fluids, and the purp left nothing behind,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's like a little bit slow going. Immediately, Stabler

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<v Speaker 1>obviously loves to go through people's papers and effects, and

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<v Speaker 1>he's like.

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<v Speaker 3>Verry, Missy Maloney's a misty.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, check the trash, check the trash.

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<v Speaker 3>Always check the trash.

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<v Speaker 1>And he guesses immediately that she I wonder sorry to

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<v Speaker 1>interrupt you, but I do wonder when my Yellow Jacket's

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<v Speaker 1>fever will calm down. I like, well, I think we'll

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<v Speaker 1>be able to track it on this podcast. I think

0:21:03.880 --> 0:21:06.120
<v Speaker 1>that probably our viewers will be like, hey, Lisa didn't

0:21:06.160 --> 0:21:09.119
<v Speaker 1>mention yellowjackets this week, and we'll be like, ah, the

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<v Speaker 1>fever has cool. So Stabler's going through her papers, and

0:21:15.280 --> 0:21:18.439
<v Speaker 1>he guesses that she's an investigative journalist, and because he

0:21:18.520 --> 0:21:22.680
<v Speaker 1>sees that she was recently paid from Under Scrutiny magazine,

0:21:22.680 --> 0:21:26.080
<v Speaker 1>which I just think is a hilarious name for a magazine,

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<v Speaker 1>and her laptop is missing, so maybe the purp wanted

0:21:29.240 --> 0:21:32.600
<v Speaker 1>to kill her story too, Stabler wonders and then credits.

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<v Speaker 1>So now we're at under Scrutiny mag and Jane's editor

0:21:37.800 --> 0:21:39.760
<v Speaker 1>is bummed to hear about her death and says that

0:21:39.800 --> 0:21:42.440
<v Speaker 1>she was the best freelancer she ever had. She loved

0:21:42.480 --> 0:21:45.880
<v Speaker 1>dangerous assignments, she loved going undercover. She infiltrated a sex

0:21:45.960 --> 0:21:48.920
<v Speaker 1>trafficking ring, she dated a heroin dealer and almost got

0:21:48.960 --> 0:21:51.040
<v Speaker 1>hooked on it because she had to shoot up for

0:21:51.080 --> 0:21:51.680
<v Speaker 1>the story.

0:21:52.080 --> 0:21:53.880
<v Speaker 3>And she said that the last story she.

0:21:53.800 --> 0:21:57.080
<v Speaker 1>Was working on was like a Bernie Madoff type guy,

0:21:57.600 --> 0:21:59.640
<v Speaker 1>and Jane was going to take him down. This guy

0:21:59.760 --> 0:22:02.080
<v Speaker 1>like ripped off all these people and then ended up

0:22:02.119 --> 0:22:04.800
<v Speaker 1>getting eight months in jail and then kind of basically skated,

0:22:04.920 --> 0:22:05.840
<v Speaker 1>So not the same.

0:22:05.720 --> 0:22:08.400
<v Speaker 3>As Bernie made Off, who you know, died in custody.

0:22:08.440 --> 0:22:12.600
<v Speaker 1>But they go visit this man and he is now

0:22:12.840 --> 0:22:16.600
<v Speaker 1>a running a pet funeral parlor. So he's moved away

0:22:16.640 --> 0:22:19.600
<v Speaker 1>from his like financial crimes and is a pet funeral

0:22:19.640 --> 0:22:21.080
<v Speaker 1>parlor director, which makes.

0:22:20.920 --> 0:22:24.879
<v Speaker 3>Them so mad. And I don't get why they're really

0:22:24.960 --> 0:22:27.760
<v Speaker 3>like this. Well imagine I don't know.

0:22:27.800 --> 0:22:30.680
<v Speaker 1>It's like, imagine Bernie made off if he was like, hey,

0:22:30.800 --> 0:22:33.080
<v Speaker 1>check out my Etsy store or something like that, Like

0:22:33.119 --> 0:22:35.120
<v Speaker 1>he ripped off so many people. He ruined so many

0:22:35.119 --> 0:22:37.320
<v Speaker 1>people's lives. If he got off and was just like,

0:22:37.520 --> 0:22:40.160
<v Speaker 1>here's my new business. I think everybody just hates him.

0:22:40.400 --> 0:22:42.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, as long as it's him, because it's like, okay,

0:22:42.240 --> 0:22:44.760
<v Speaker 2>well you want him on the street, like he's gonna

0:22:44.760 --> 0:22:48.640
<v Speaker 2>get another job, right, And I don't maybe it doesn't

0:22:48.680 --> 0:22:51.280
<v Speaker 2>matter what business he had they would hate. But they

0:22:51.440 --> 0:22:54.399
<v Speaker 2>just this pet cemeteries drove them and they.

0:22:54.400 --> 0:22:56.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah Stablers, like what do you just sell people

0:22:56.680 --> 0:22:58.960
<v Speaker 1>a bunch of fake ashes and an overpriced earn like

0:22:59.000 --> 0:23:01.119
<v Speaker 1>Stabler's assassin it up big time.

0:23:01.680 --> 0:23:02.920
<v Speaker 3>But when they bring.

0:23:02.840 --> 0:23:05.480
<v Speaker 1>Up Jane to this guy, he's like, that bitch threw

0:23:05.520 --> 0:23:07.159
<v Speaker 1>herself at me and when she found out I had

0:23:07.160 --> 0:23:09.720
<v Speaker 1>gone legit, she dumped me. So I guess maybe this

0:23:09.800 --> 0:23:12.840
<v Speaker 1>man has turned over a new leaf. But he said

0:23:12.880 --> 0:23:14.840
<v Speaker 1>the last time he talked to Jane. She wanted the

0:23:14.920 --> 0:23:16.840
<v Speaker 1>name of the sober living house that he had gone

0:23:16.840 --> 0:23:19.960
<v Speaker 1>to after prison, and he tells the cops that it's

0:23:20.000 --> 0:23:22.359
<v Speaker 1>called Harmony Home and that it's a pit. The women

0:23:22.480 --> 0:23:24.920
<v Speaker 1>turn tricks, the men use it as a crack then,

0:23:25.040 --> 0:23:28.240
<v Speaker 1>quote unquote, and so now they're like, okay, let's go

0:23:28.280 --> 0:23:31.680
<v Speaker 1>sniff around at Harmony Home. So they're there and the

0:23:31.720 --> 0:23:34.240
<v Speaker 1>guy running it is like a journalist. I thought she

0:23:34.320 --> 0:23:37.760
<v Speaker 1>was a basehead. And it's pretty funny that, like, obviously,

0:23:37.800 --> 0:23:39.720
<v Speaker 1>do you think you'd be able to spot a journalist?

0:23:39.800 --> 0:23:40.520
<v Speaker 3>And then.

0:23:41.840 --> 0:23:43.639
<v Speaker 1>Maloney's like, well, I thought this place was supposed to

0:23:43.640 --> 0:23:46.400
<v Speaker 1>help people. Looks like we both got duped. So they're

0:23:46.400 --> 0:23:48.480
<v Speaker 1>assassing this man a little bit, and it's pretty funny.

0:23:48.760 --> 0:23:51.480
<v Speaker 1>He says Jane lived at that house for like ten days,

0:23:52.000 --> 0:23:54.439
<v Speaker 1>and then that she had a little cupboard. He's like,

0:23:54.440 --> 0:23:55.920
<v Speaker 1>she had a cupboard full of food, but I never

0:23:55.920 --> 0:23:58.320
<v Speaker 1>saw her eat. So they break into her little cupboard

0:23:58.320 --> 0:24:01.680
<v Speaker 1>and she has some nice ass groceries, organic imported pasta.

0:24:01.800 --> 0:24:06.240
<v Speaker 1>You know, Benson knows the brand, and she goes this girl,

0:24:06.760 --> 0:24:08.600
<v Speaker 1>it gets better groceries than me, and it's like better

0:24:08.640 --> 0:24:09.560
<v Speaker 1>than you, Benson.

0:24:10.080 --> 0:24:13.440
<v Speaker 2>When is she even home. There's no way she even

0:24:13.480 --> 0:24:14.320
<v Speaker 2>has groceries.

0:24:14.320 --> 0:24:15.040
<v Speaker 3>When is Benson.

0:24:15.280 --> 0:24:17.640
<v Speaker 1>I know, I know Benson. It's like you you eat takeout?

0:24:17.640 --> 0:24:20.679
<v Speaker 1>Come on, She's getting an egg and cheese every morning?

0:24:20.720 --> 0:24:23.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean, yeah, but she did.

0:24:23.400 --> 0:24:26.520
<v Speaker 3>I think she's going to the bodega before work. I do, yeah,

0:24:26.960 --> 0:24:29.440
<v Speaker 3>for like a banana. Okay.

0:24:30.080 --> 0:24:32.560
<v Speaker 1>So then a girl with really gross hair and skin

0:24:32.720 --> 0:24:34.720
<v Speaker 1>and teeth walks in and is like.

0:24:34.840 --> 0:24:35.760
<v Speaker 3>A scooped bagel.

0:24:36.280 --> 0:24:41.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And this girl is like, hey, that stuff don't

0:24:41.119 --> 0:24:43.840
<v Speaker 1>belong to you. And then Stabler flashes her badge and

0:24:43.880 --> 0:24:46.320
<v Speaker 1>she's like, yeah, I've seen fake badges before. Like she's

0:24:46.400 --> 0:24:49.639
<v Speaker 1>really sassing them hard. I keep saying sassing, but she's yeah,

0:24:49.680 --> 0:24:53.160
<v Speaker 1>she's very tweaky, and you know, we can tell why

0:24:53.160 --> 0:24:55.439
<v Speaker 1>she's in this house. And she says, Jane shares her

0:24:55.480 --> 0:24:57.359
<v Speaker 1>food with me and tells them that her name is

0:24:57.400 --> 0:24:59.919
<v Speaker 1>Francine and they're like, well, guess what, honey, foods all

0:25:00.040 --> 0:25:03.360
<v Speaker 1>yours now, and she's like twitterly telling them like she's

0:25:03.400 --> 0:25:05.359
<v Speaker 1>like I took Jane under my wing, like she said

0:25:05.400 --> 0:25:07.439
<v Speaker 1>she was like us, but I could tell she was green,

0:25:07.640 --> 0:25:09.119
<v Speaker 1>And I told her who to talk to.

0:25:09.200 --> 0:25:11.280
<v Speaker 3>I told her how to protect her shit like whatever.

0:25:11.800 --> 0:25:14.240
<v Speaker 1>So she says, Jane didn't talk to anyone except maybe

0:25:14.240 --> 0:25:16.920
<v Speaker 1>the grabby jerk in welfare. You want your benefits, you

0:25:16.960 --> 0:25:18.880
<v Speaker 1>gotta let that guy's stick his tongue down your throat,

0:25:18.880 --> 0:25:21.240
<v Speaker 1>which is so nasty. And then the last time she

0:25:21.280 --> 0:25:23.240
<v Speaker 1>saw Jane, she was on her way to talk to

0:25:23.280 --> 0:25:26.440
<v Speaker 1>that dude. So now we're at the precinct and we're

0:25:26.440 --> 0:25:30.040
<v Speaker 1>getting the rundown on this dude. Ned Bogden played by

0:25:30.240 --> 0:25:33.000
<v Speaker 1>William Atherton, who is a character actor with like eighty

0:25:33.080 --> 0:25:36.200
<v Speaker 1>nine credits. This is his only SVU. Weirdly, but he's

0:25:36.240 --> 0:25:39.639
<v Speaker 1>been in original recipe. This dude's been on murder, she wrote,

0:25:39.680 --> 0:25:43.879
<v Speaker 1>like he's been in all kinds of shit anyway. Ned

0:25:43.920 --> 0:25:49.480
<v Speaker 1>Bogden is fifty four single. Uh, Liz's lucky number fifty four.

0:25:49.640 --> 0:25:52.520
<v Speaker 1>He's single and lives in Queen's with his mother. Not

0:25:52.680 --> 0:25:56.040
<v Speaker 1>lucky and live is like that's suspicious right there, and

0:25:56.080 --> 0:25:58.840
<v Speaker 1>I just like love her judging this man so hard

0:25:58.840 --> 0:25:59.280
<v Speaker 1>for still living.

0:25:59.480 --> 0:26:02.000
<v Speaker 2>Well, things were different back then, and like now living

0:26:02.040 --> 0:26:04.560
<v Speaker 2>with your parents is kind of whatever because of the

0:26:04.600 --> 0:26:07.680
<v Speaker 2>pandemic and crash and you know, just yeah, the environment,

0:26:07.720 --> 0:26:10.760
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, but back in the day, you couldn't

0:26:10.760 --> 0:26:11.560
<v Speaker 2>live with your parents.

0:26:11.760 --> 0:26:15.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and at fifty four, that's that's real late in

0:26:15.160 --> 0:26:15.520
<v Speaker 1>the game.

0:26:15.720 --> 0:26:17.080
<v Speaker 3>Unless they're living with you.

0:26:18.000 --> 0:26:22.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they're living with you, you're caring for them. Yeah.

0:26:22.040 --> 0:26:24.760
<v Speaker 1>So this guy, they look him up and he's just

0:26:24.800 --> 0:26:27.720
<v Speaker 1>got like no complaints in a thirty year career, which

0:26:27.760 --> 0:26:30.920
<v Speaker 1>Benson is immediately like, what, like nobody has no complaints,

0:26:31.000 --> 0:26:33.320
<v Speaker 1>you know. She's like, I've got complaints. And there's just

0:26:33.359 --> 0:26:36.240
<v Speaker 1>tons of accolades in his file, like he's won like

0:26:36.640 --> 0:26:38.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, awards from the mayor and shit, and so

0:26:39.280 --> 0:26:41.800
<v Speaker 1>it's weird. And Craigan's like, I don't know, guys, are

0:26:41.840 --> 0:26:43.439
<v Speaker 1>we gonna like put this all on the word of

0:26:43.440 --> 0:26:45.159
<v Speaker 1>a junkie, Like if we take a swing and a

0:26:45.200 --> 0:26:47.320
<v Speaker 1>miss at this guy, it's gonna fuck us and lives

0:26:47.400 --> 0:26:50.720
<v Speaker 1>like so confident she goes so we won't miss boom.

0:26:51.440 --> 0:26:55.120
<v Speaker 1>Then we cut to the Welfare benefits bureau, where we're

0:26:55.200 --> 0:26:58.280
<v Speaker 1>up close on Benson's Converse high high tops, and then

0:26:58.320 --> 0:27:01.359
<v Speaker 1>we pan up we see some jeans. She's in a

0:27:01.400 --> 0:27:04.040
<v Speaker 1>tank top and a hoodie and we know immediately know, Okay,

0:27:04.080 --> 0:27:05.360
<v Speaker 1>Benson is acting.

0:27:05.480 --> 0:27:06.440
<v Speaker 3>Now, she's doing her.

0:27:06.359 --> 0:27:09.160
<v Speaker 2>Undercover I think this is also her best undercover work

0:27:09.359 --> 0:27:11.680
<v Speaker 2>of this This is the most convincing.

0:27:11.840 --> 0:27:15.560
<v Speaker 3>You know, it wasn't like Daddy like, yeah, yeah, it's good.

0:27:16.680 --> 0:27:19.199
<v Speaker 1>It is convincing, But to me, her teeth give it

0:27:19.200 --> 0:27:19.960
<v Speaker 1>away immediately.

0:27:20.080 --> 0:27:21.320
<v Speaker 3>She has perfect teeth, and.

0:27:21.280 --> 0:27:23.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm just like, I don't know, are you a druggy?

0:27:23.480 --> 0:27:25.840
<v Speaker 1>Like I mean, she's basically saying her boyfriend was a

0:27:25.880 --> 0:27:27.639
<v Speaker 1>druggie and then like he kicked her out of the

0:27:27.680 --> 0:27:31.080
<v Speaker 1>house and that like she has no money to buy food.

0:27:31.160 --> 0:27:33.200
<v Speaker 1>She's fucked, and like, you know, the guy should have

0:27:33.280 --> 0:27:34.919
<v Speaker 1>just clocked that this was a cop because.

0:27:34.640 --> 0:27:37.000
<v Speaker 3>She has perfect teeth. But anyway, he's like, good thing

0:27:37.040 --> 0:27:37.280
<v Speaker 3>you have.

0:27:37.480 --> 0:27:40.359
<v Speaker 2>But with someone that hot, and he's a molestor, like

0:27:41.480 --> 0:27:46.919
<v Speaker 2>he I think you're hair, but you everything goes at

0:27:46.960 --> 0:27:50.600
<v Speaker 2>the window. You're just like, oh I get to molest Benson,

0:27:50.720 --> 0:27:53.360
<v Speaker 2>you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't think a man

0:27:53.440 --> 0:27:58.520
<v Speaker 2>that's horny is about to notice the little things. But

0:27:58.600 --> 0:28:00.760
<v Speaker 2>at the same time, predators also son know who to

0:28:00.840 --> 0:28:03.439
<v Speaker 2>groom and stuff, So you know, I don't know, but

0:28:03.600 --> 0:28:06.399
<v Speaker 2>yes she is. She's giving us some good acting, so

0:28:07.320 --> 0:28:09.840
<v Speaker 2>I'll let it slide. But he's like, good thing.

0:28:09.760 --> 0:28:11.600
<v Speaker 1>You found me. I'm your night in shining Armor. I'm

0:28:11.600 --> 0:28:13.560
<v Speaker 1>gonna help you, no problems. So he gives Live a

0:28:13.640 --> 0:28:16.480
<v Speaker 1>form to fill out, and then he immediately goes to

0:28:16.520 --> 0:28:18.920
<v Speaker 1>his door and starts to shut the blind So if

0:28:18.960 --> 0:28:20.880
<v Speaker 1>this man had Matt Lower's money, he would have had

0:28:20.880 --> 0:28:23.159
<v Speaker 1>that automatic door lock thing, but instead he has to

0:28:23.160 --> 0:28:24.560
<v Speaker 1>go and manually shut his blinds.

0:28:25.440 --> 0:28:28.159
<v Speaker 3>Live is acting overwhelmed by the paperwork. She's like, I

0:28:28.160 --> 0:28:30.960
<v Speaker 3>don't know, what does this mean? Less employer?

0:28:31.000 --> 0:28:33.760
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, And so he's like leaning over her

0:28:34.160 --> 0:28:36.280
<v Speaker 1>and he's just like, do everything I say, and I

0:28:36.359 --> 0:28:38.880
<v Speaker 1>guarantee you're going to get your check. And he's like

0:28:39.040 --> 0:28:42.120
<v Speaker 1>really grossly holding her shoulder, saying that's a good girl.

0:28:42.160 --> 0:28:44.600
<v Speaker 1>It's really nasty, Like they did do good casting here

0:28:44.640 --> 0:28:46.720
<v Speaker 1>because this guy seems like his breath would smell and

0:28:46.840 --> 0:28:49.960
<v Speaker 1>like it's bad. And she's like, oh, my last job,

0:28:50.240 --> 0:28:55.480
<v Speaker 1>and she starts writing special Victims Unit, and then right

0:28:55.480 --> 0:28:58.080
<v Speaker 1>as she says unit, this guy like honks her boob,

0:28:58.440 --> 0:29:04.080
<v Speaker 1>and so she she jumps up, grabs them like swim,

0:29:04.240 --> 0:29:06.360
<v Speaker 1>swings them around and has them over the desk in

0:29:06.400 --> 0:29:08.560
<v Speaker 1>like two seconds. And she's like, oh, did I forgot

0:29:08.600 --> 0:29:10.840
<v Speaker 1>to mention that and she's like cuffing him, and he goes,

0:29:11.120 --> 0:29:13.320
<v Speaker 1>you're a cop, and Live goes and you're a creep

0:29:13.400 --> 0:29:15.560
<v Speaker 1>and like then you know that's the end of act

0:29:15.600 --> 0:29:19.080
<v Speaker 1>one and I was dying for that. So now they're

0:29:19.120 --> 0:29:22.000
<v Speaker 1>in interrogation with Ned bogged in and they're grilling him

0:29:22.000 --> 0:29:24.080
<v Speaker 1>and he's like, I help these women.

0:29:24.120 --> 0:29:24.960
<v Speaker 3>I'm their savior.

0:29:25.040 --> 0:29:26.560
<v Speaker 1>Of course they're going to come on to me, and

0:29:26.600 --> 0:29:30.480
<v Speaker 1>I've turned down every advance and Lives like, okay, so

0:29:30.480 --> 0:29:32.280
<v Speaker 1>how about you pawing my tits And he's like, I

0:29:32.320 --> 0:29:34.240
<v Speaker 1>can't help it if you moved the wrong way. But

0:29:34.280 --> 0:29:36.280
<v Speaker 1>he's got like he's got like a look in his

0:29:36.320 --> 0:29:41.440
<v Speaker 1>eye like he's definitely guilty. And they're like, you tried

0:29:41.480 --> 0:29:43.600
<v Speaker 1>to do this to Jane. You found the wire. She

0:29:43.720 --> 0:29:45.640
<v Speaker 1>was going to expose you, so you killed her. And

0:29:45.680 --> 0:29:48.480
<v Speaker 1>he's like, wow, what a story. Like he's pretty confident

0:29:48.480 --> 0:29:50.479
<v Speaker 1>that he can talk his way out of this. And

0:29:50.520 --> 0:29:53.120
<v Speaker 1>then Cragan and Huang are watching through the window and

0:29:53.160 --> 0:29:55.680
<v Speaker 1>Craigan has this light bulb moment where he's like, do

0:29:55.720 --> 0:29:58.719
<v Speaker 1>you recognize this m o like of carving the X

0:29:58.720 --> 0:30:00.640
<v Speaker 1>into the cheek? I don't know why, it's just coming

0:30:00.720 --> 0:30:02.320
<v Speaker 1>up to him. Now they've had this dead body for

0:30:02.360 --> 0:30:05.120
<v Speaker 1>a day or so, but he's like, yeah, like this

0:30:05.200 --> 0:30:07.720
<v Speaker 1>is a case I remember from thirty years ago. So

0:30:07.840 --> 0:30:12.120
<v Speaker 1>as they're walking through Bogden go through everything that they

0:30:12.120 --> 0:30:14.880
<v Speaker 1>think he did, we see Cragan looking over all of

0:30:14.920 --> 0:30:17.480
<v Speaker 1>these cases with crime scene photos of female victims that

0:30:17.520 --> 0:30:20.840
<v Speaker 1>look exactly like Jane how she was found tied up

0:30:20.880 --> 0:30:23.440
<v Speaker 1>hands behind the back on a bed x cut into

0:30:23.480 --> 0:30:25.880
<v Speaker 1>the cheek. And these victims are all from the seventies

0:30:26.200 --> 0:30:28.640
<v Speaker 1>and this guy was called the bedtime Butcher. He killed

0:30:28.640 --> 0:30:31.640
<v Speaker 1>five women, attack them all in bed between nine pm

0:30:31.720 --> 0:30:34.840
<v Speaker 1>and midnight, carve them up. And Cragan's buddy worked on

0:30:34.880 --> 0:30:36.920
<v Speaker 1>the case but never found the guy, and he has

0:30:36.960 --> 0:30:40.320
<v Speaker 1>since died of a heart attack. So now they're like, well,

0:30:40.360 --> 0:30:42.040
<v Speaker 1>we're going to figure this out if this guy is

0:30:42.600 --> 0:30:45.680
<v Speaker 1>the bedtime Butcher. So they go through all the old

0:30:45.720 --> 0:30:48.680
<v Speaker 1>files and Live is like this guy killed from nineteen

0:30:48.680 --> 0:30:51.640
<v Speaker 1>seventy three to nineteen seventy six. Serial rapists don't just

0:30:51.680 --> 0:30:56.000
<v Speaker 1>like stop cold Turkey and bad Wong aka Huang is like, well,

0:30:56.200 --> 0:30:59.080
<v Speaker 1>some do if they find another outlet to channel their rage.

0:30:59.560 --> 0:31:01.480
<v Speaker 1>And they're like like, oh, he got hired at this

0:31:01.560 --> 0:31:03.880
<v Speaker 1>Welfare Bureau in seventy six, so he didn't need to

0:31:03.960 --> 0:31:06.120
<v Speaker 1>rape and kill anymore because he could just take advantage

0:31:06.160 --> 0:31:08.960
<v Speaker 1>of all these vulnerable women at his work and never

0:31:08.960 --> 0:31:09.640
<v Speaker 1>get in trouble.

0:31:10.000 --> 0:31:13.560
<v Speaker 2>And with like murders signatures, I wonder, do they like

0:31:13.720 --> 0:31:16.479
<v Speaker 2>fantasize and get horny for this specific thing? Does it

0:31:16.480 --> 0:31:19.400
<v Speaker 2>come out natural? Like how do patterns even occur?

0:31:19.920 --> 0:31:20.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

0:31:20.560 --> 0:31:23.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And it's like the ex is like you or

0:31:23.480 --> 0:31:25.440
<v Speaker 1>definitely want people to know that you're doing all of

0:31:25.480 --> 0:31:29.120
<v Speaker 1>these you know. Like so anyway, there's no DNA for

0:31:29.160 --> 0:31:31.400
<v Speaker 1>any of these five victims because there wasn't DNA in

0:31:31.440 --> 0:31:34.400
<v Speaker 1>the seventies. So Huang's like, you gotta find this guy

0:31:34.480 --> 0:31:37.320
<v Speaker 1>ned Bongdon's connection to all these victims and they all

0:31:37.440 --> 0:31:39.440
<v Speaker 1>must have set him off in some way to like

0:31:39.480 --> 0:31:42.640
<v Speaker 1>get his rage going. So they go through all the victims,

0:31:42.720 --> 0:31:46.600
<v Speaker 1>and this guy did have a connection to all of them.

0:31:46.920 --> 0:31:48.920
<v Speaker 1>One was a rich lady he had worked a catered

0:31:48.960 --> 0:31:52.000
<v Speaker 1>party for and she'd been like, you know, bossy to him.

0:31:52.440 --> 0:31:54.360
<v Speaker 1>One was a rich parent at a school that he's

0:31:54.360 --> 0:31:57.400
<v Speaker 1>subdad who tried to like get her daughter in Harvard

0:31:57.560 --> 0:32:01.320
<v Speaker 1>through you know, like elbow rubbing or whatever. One got

0:32:01.320 --> 0:32:04.160
<v Speaker 1>a postdoc that he applied for, and another was a

0:32:04.160 --> 0:32:07.320
<v Speaker 1>woman that would beat him at running in a road

0:32:07.400 --> 0:32:08.600
<v Speaker 1>running club that they were in.

0:32:09.200 --> 0:32:11.560
<v Speaker 3>So they're naming all these victims on a bit.

0:32:12.200 --> 0:32:12.520
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:32:12.600 --> 0:32:14.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's like just a man that feels inadequate that

0:32:14.840 --> 0:32:16.800
<v Speaker 1>has to kill any woman that he thinks feels more

0:32:16.840 --> 0:32:20.280
<v Speaker 1>powerful than him. So he says, okay, well, your whole

0:32:20.320 --> 0:32:22.880
<v Speaker 1>case falls apart if one chain link in the chain

0:32:22.920 --> 0:32:25.400
<v Speaker 1>falls apart. And I don't know this. Emily Cutler, one

0:32:25.440 --> 0:32:27.760
<v Speaker 1>of your victims that you brought up. I happened to

0:32:27.800 --> 0:32:29.920
<v Speaker 1>know that when she died, when you told me she died,

0:32:30.040 --> 0:32:32.880
<v Speaker 1>I was at a men's retreat in Cheyenne, and I

0:32:32.920 --> 0:32:35.960
<v Speaker 1>can prove it. And then in walks Melinda Warner with

0:32:36.000 --> 0:32:38.000
<v Speaker 1>a great entrance, and she goes, can you prove you

0:32:38.040 --> 0:32:41.360
<v Speaker 1>didn't leave Dandriff all over Jane Whitmore's body Boom goes

0:32:41.360 --> 0:32:44.680
<v Speaker 1>the dynamite, and Olivia is like, he's got his jacket

0:32:44.720 --> 0:32:47.480
<v Speaker 1>sitting right there, probably covered in Dandriff, And Olivia's like,

0:32:47.520 --> 0:32:50.160
<v Speaker 1>we got you, motherfucker, and they take his jacket away

0:32:50.440 --> 0:32:52.280
<v Speaker 1>and he's like, well, I had sex with her, but

0:32:52.280 --> 0:32:54.640
<v Speaker 1>I didn't kill her. I didn't kill any of those bitches.

0:32:54.680 --> 0:32:56.000
<v Speaker 1>I was in Cheyenne.

0:32:56.600 --> 0:32:57.640
<v Speaker 3>It's just pretty funny.

0:32:58.000 --> 0:33:00.240
<v Speaker 1>So and if you don't know, if you I haven't

0:33:00.240 --> 0:33:01.800
<v Speaker 1>watched this episode and you're just watching along with us,

0:33:01.800 --> 0:33:04.680
<v Speaker 1>this is like one of the wildest fully two different

0:33:04.720 --> 0:33:09.440
<v Speaker 1>crimes in one it's two full episodes almost in one episode.

0:33:09.760 --> 0:33:13.080
<v Speaker 1>So at the lab, Melinda confirms that the dandriff DNA

0:33:13.280 --> 0:33:16.440
<v Speaker 1>matches and it's all over the other victim's clothing as well,

0:33:16.760 --> 0:33:19.200
<v Speaker 1>and he's had this problem of shedding and dandriff for

0:33:19.240 --> 0:33:22.920
<v Speaker 1>a while. So the case is closed except for Emily Cutler.

0:33:23.320 --> 0:33:25.720
<v Speaker 1>Warner thinks he was really maybe in Cheyenne because he

0:33:25.800 --> 0:33:28.840
<v Speaker 1>had no dandriff on her and that when she went

0:33:28.880 --> 0:33:33.440
<v Speaker 1>through or when she investigated all the evidence and stuff

0:33:33.480 --> 0:33:36.160
<v Speaker 1>from the Emily Cutler murder, she said that Emily was

0:33:36.200 --> 0:33:39.160
<v Speaker 1>a redhead and she found one blonde hair on her nightgown,

0:33:39.360 --> 0:33:43.360
<v Speaker 1>so the hair was degraded, so there was no DNA,

0:33:43.520 --> 0:33:46.760
<v Speaker 1>but done done. It's a woman, So holy shit, Now

0:33:46.760 --> 0:33:50.520
<v Speaker 1>we're looking for a woman who murdered a copycat. A copycat,

0:33:50.800 --> 0:33:54.040
<v Speaker 1>so somebody who killed Emily Cutler and made it look

0:33:54.080 --> 0:33:57.960
<v Speaker 1>exactly like the bedtime butcher so boom boom boom, ned

0:33:57.960 --> 0:34:01.000
<v Speaker 1>Bogden is the Bedtime Butcher case clothes. He's going down

0:34:01.080 --> 0:34:03.160
<v Speaker 1>for all these murders, but the Emily Cutler case is

0:34:03.200 --> 0:34:06.400
<v Speaker 1>still open. And obviously this copycat, you know, use the

0:34:06.400 --> 0:34:09.000
<v Speaker 1>Bedtime Butcher to cover her tracks. And Olivia's like, I

0:34:09.040 --> 0:34:11.000
<v Speaker 1>never would have thought it was a woman. And Stabler's like,

0:34:11.040 --> 0:34:13.719
<v Speaker 1>try missing an anniversary, and it's like, Elliott, Kathy's just

0:34:13.719 --> 0:34:15.879
<v Speaker 1>stay at home mom with your forty seven children. Take

0:34:15.880 --> 0:34:17.919
<v Speaker 1>her out for your anniversary and don't forget you dumb ass.

0:34:18.080 --> 0:34:20.520
<v Speaker 2>I know, I like how the women are too out

0:34:20.560 --> 0:34:23.279
<v Speaker 2>of control and angry for something like that, but you're

0:34:23.320 --> 0:34:25.279
<v Speaker 2>not the asshole for missing this big thing.

0:34:27.480 --> 0:34:30.319
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, write it on a calendar and it's the same

0:34:30.320 --> 0:34:32.080
<v Speaker 3>time every year. Don't be a dumbassy.

0:34:33.200 --> 0:34:36.040
<v Speaker 1>So Emily Cutler's husband was a man named Cal Cutler,

0:34:36.080 --> 0:34:40.200
<v Speaker 1>but was more commonly known as the Mattress Maestro. And

0:34:40.320 --> 0:34:43.160
<v Speaker 1>they pop in a VHS of an old seventies commercial

0:34:43.160 --> 0:34:45.880
<v Speaker 1>of this mattress salesman who's like dressed as a cowboy.

0:34:45.960 --> 0:34:49.680
<v Speaker 1>He's got a cowgirl like like flibbertygibbet girl with him.

0:34:49.760 --> 0:34:52.520
<v Speaker 1>She's slapping his ass I'm sorry. He's slapping her ass

0:34:52.560 --> 0:34:56.000
<v Speaker 1>and she loves it. And it's very seventies and apparently

0:34:56.040 --> 0:34:58.880
<v Speaker 1>he was like a local celeb in the seventies. Stabler

0:34:58.920 --> 0:35:01.279
<v Speaker 1>remembers the commercials being on all the time, and to me,

0:35:01.440 --> 0:35:03.359
<v Speaker 1>if I'm gonna put this into my own world, this

0:35:03.520 --> 0:35:04.320
<v Speaker 1>is like the Grand.

0:35:04.160 --> 0:35:05.320
<v Speaker 3>Prospect Hall in Brooklyn.

0:35:05.480 --> 0:35:08.879
<v Speaker 1>Do you remember that commercial, Lisa, Yes, so, yeah, that's

0:35:08.920 --> 0:35:11.279
<v Speaker 1>like to me, I think if the Grand Prospect Hall

0:35:11.360 --> 0:35:12.799
<v Speaker 1>people came up in a murder, I'd be.

0:35:12.719 --> 0:35:14.879
<v Speaker 3>Like, I know these people, you know? I thought of

0:35:15.080 --> 0:35:18.520
<v Speaker 3>like eagleman, I don't know that. Is that a Chicago thing?

0:35:19.040 --> 0:35:21.400
<v Speaker 3>Look at those Loo low rates.

0:35:21.560 --> 0:35:25.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was like this stuffed like puppet bird and

0:35:26.320 --> 0:35:28.960
<v Speaker 2>this eagle would come out and it was really Yeah,

0:35:29.120 --> 0:35:30.760
<v Speaker 2>local commercials are the best.

0:35:31.200 --> 0:35:32.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they're so funny.

0:35:33.000 --> 0:35:35.040
<v Speaker 1>So they discovered that the year leading up t Emily

0:35:35.080 --> 0:35:38.400
<v Speaker 1>Culer's murder, the couple Emily and cal Culor had a

0:35:38.400 --> 0:35:41.160
<v Speaker 1>dozen or so domestic disputes. Cal was a big cheater,

0:35:41.680 --> 0:35:44.120
<v Speaker 1>and it's funny how thematically the episode opened with a

0:35:44.120 --> 0:35:45.839
<v Speaker 1>guy cheating too. I don't know if the writers did

0:35:45.840 --> 0:35:46.680
<v Speaker 1>that on purpose, but.

0:35:47.160 --> 0:35:50.640
<v Speaker 3>Never noticed that. Yeah, anyway, they like let's go talk

0:35:50.680 --> 0:35:52.840
<v Speaker 3>to Cal. They can't. Cal is dead. He died in

0:35:52.880 --> 0:35:55.240
<v Speaker 3>a drunk driving accident and burned to death out.

0:35:55.600 --> 0:35:59.919
<v Speaker 2>Burning is one of the scariest. Yeah, that's a bad way.

0:36:00.800 --> 0:36:03.360
<v Speaker 3>It's not good. No, burning is tough.

0:36:04.040 --> 0:36:06.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So they decide to track down the cop who

0:36:07.000 --> 0:36:09.840
<v Speaker 1>responded to all these domestic disturbances, and her name is

0:36:09.880 --> 0:36:13.640
<v Speaker 1>Susan Delzio. So they go knock, knock, knock it on

0:36:13.719 --> 0:36:17.360
<v Speaker 1>Susan Delzio's door, and who answers but icon of the seventies,

0:36:17.400 --> 0:36:21.240
<v Speaker 1>eighties and beyond, Jacqueline Smith, one of the Charlie's Angels.

0:36:21.280 --> 0:36:24.440
<v Speaker 1>You definitely have seen her face before. She clocks them

0:36:24.440 --> 0:36:27.239
<v Speaker 1>as cops right away. She goes, oh, cops, and they're like,

0:36:27.239 --> 0:36:28.600
<v Speaker 1>can we talk to you for a second. We want

0:36:28.600 --> 0:36:31.600
<v Speaker 1>to ask you about the like some of your cases.

0:36:31.640 --> 0:36:34.400
<v Speaker 1>And so she calls back into apartment and goes, Pedro,

0:36:34.480 --> 0:36:36.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm stepping out for a second. We don't see Pedro,

0:36:36.680 --> 0:36:40.240
<v Speaker 1>but he's a painter. Because she's telling Benson is Stabler

0:36:40.280 --> 0:36:42.520
<v Speaker 1>that she took up sculpture after she retired from the

0:36:42.560 --> 0:36:44.800
<v Speaker 1>police force, and that she's converting one of her bedrooms

0:36:44.800 --> 0:36:47.279
<v Speaker 1>into a studio Benson's like, good to know there's life

0:36:47.320 --> 0:36:47.839
<v Speaker 1>after the job.

0:36:47.880 --> 0:36:50.239
<v Speaker 3>And it's like sculpture, Okay, I hope you have there's

0:36:50.280 --> 0:36:52.520
<v Speaker 3>more than that for you. Well, no, it's it's big now,

0:36:52.640 --> 0:36:52.880
<v Speaker 3>you know.

0:36:53.080 --> 0:36:57.320
<v Speaker 2>Seth Rogan is ceramics, ceramics and sculpting vases.

0:36:57.480 --> 0:36:58.400
<v Speaker 3>It's in. It's in.

0:36:58.560 --> 0:37:02.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think the pandemic people wheeling and dealing with clay.

0:37:03.120 --> 0:37:04.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And if you're old enough to buy your own

0:37:04.600 --> 0:37:06.400
<v Speaker 1>I mean, if you're rich enough to buy your own kiln,

0:37:06.440 --> 0:37:07.520
<v Speaker 1>I guess that's good for you.

0:37:07.760 --> 0:37:09.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. His life just seems the best.

0:37:09.520 --> 0:37:12.120
<v Speaker 2>Him and his wife just like get high, chill out,

0:37:12.280 --> 0:37:13.839
<v Speaker 2>make vases, pet their dog.

0:37:14.120 --> 0:37:17.880
<v Speaker 3>Right now, it's like the dream life. I'm obsessed.

0:37:18.480 --> 0:37:22.040
<v Speaker 2>One day I will recognize them and only talk to

0:37:22.080 --> 0:37:24.000
<v Speaker 2>Lauren and pretend I don't know who's Seth Rogan.

0:37:25.600 --> 0:37:28.640
<v Speaker 3>That's a great idea. Now I'm obsessed with everyone.

0:37:29.800 --> 0:37:33.000
<v Speaker 1>So they're like, do you recall this guy cal cut Cutler,

0:37:33.000 --> 0:37:35.840
<v Speaker 1>And she's like, ugh, the mattress, maestro, how could I forget?

0:37:35.880 --> 0:37:37.640
<v Speaker 1>It was the first celeb I ever met. I was

0:37:37.680 --> 0:37:40.839
<v Speaker 1>right out of the academy. His wife called us pretty

0:37:40.920 --> 0:37:43.120
<v Speaker 1>much every weekend, which is about as often as color

0:37:43.239 --> 0:37:46.279
<v Speaker 1>changed girlfriends, and she said that women would show up

0:37:46.280 --> 0:37:49.080
<v Speaker 1>at their house like breaking flower pots, like you know,

0:37:49.840 --> 0:37:53.440
<v Speaker 1>putting a bombs in the mailbox, like all kinds of

0:37:53.520 --> 0:37:57.279
<v Speaker 1>random stuff and saying that Emily didn't deserve Cal, and

0:37:57.320 --> 0:37:58.880
<v Speaker 1>he would just basically.

0:37:58.840 --> 0:38:02.520
<v Speaker 2>Can you imagine that, like the hottest, coolest celebri in

0:38:02.560 --> 0:38:04.520
<v Speaker 2>here is a mattress salesman.

0:38:05.160 --> 0:38:07.319
<v Speaker 1>I think also, this guy just seemed like he was

0:38:07.400 --> 0:38:09.440
<v Speaker 1>like a horn dog, and women were really drawn to

0:38:09.520 --> 0:38:13.000
<v Speaker 1>him for some reason because it's like the mattress shit's

0:38:13.040 --> 0:38:17.600
<v Speaker 1>not doing appealing or equal like none nothing.

0:38:18.280 --> 0:38:18.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:38:19.000 --> 0:38:20.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but when you look at him in the commercial,

0:38:20.880 --> 0:38:22.320
<v Speaker 1>you can kind of see you in the seventies.

0:38:22.320 --> 0:38:23.399
<v Speaker 3>He'd be like a hot guy.

0:38:23.440 --> 0:38:25.400
<v Speaker 1>I guess that like babes would be like, oh, I

0:38:25.440 --> 0:38:27.600
<v Speaker 1>bet he's got mattress money, and there's probably a lot

0:38:27.640 --> 0:38:30.640
<v Speaker 1>of like come test out my mattress pickup lines or whatever.

0:38:31.160 --> 0:38:32.560
<v Speaker 3>So anyway, so.

0:38:32.440 --> 0:38:34.319
<v Speaker 1>She says that Cal would say, like just get the

0:38:34.320 --> 0:38:36.360
<v Speaker 1>women out of here, and would never press charges against

0:38:36.400 --> 0:38:37.799
<v Speaker 1>them because he knew that they were all of his,

0:38:37.960 --> 0:38:40.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, side pieces. He wasn't probably trying to get

0:38:40.000 --> 0:38:43.239
<v Speaker 1>them arrested. Susan's like, I don't have any names. I

0:38:43.360 --> 0:38:45.520
<v Speaker 1>ditched my memo books a long time ago. But she

0:38:45.560 --> 0:38:47.960
<v Speaker 1>said every week it was a new one, always blonde,

0:38:48.000 --> 0:38:50.360
<v Speaker 1>always builts, which I think she just means big tits.

0:38:50.800 --> 0:38:53.800
<v Speaker 1>And the last call that she got wasn't to the house.

0:38:53.800 --> 0:38:55.680
<v Speaker 1>It was to his studio where he was shooting a

0:38:55.719 --> 0:38:57.880
<v Speaker 1>commercial and one of the blondes got through security and

0:38:57.920 --> 0:39:02.959
<v Speaker 1>had slapped Emily Cutler. She said, oh, there was also

0:39:03.000 --> 0:39:05.319
<v Speaker 1>an older woman there too, really bossy. It was cal

0:39:05.360 --> 0:39:09.239
<v Speaker 1>Cutler's agent and her name was maud Monahan, an amazing name.

0:39:10.040 --> 0:39:11.919
<v Speaker 1>We know Neil Beer probably came up with that name.

0:39:13.080 --> 0:39:15.480
<v Speaker 1>And so now we're at the office of Maud Monahan.

0:39:15.560 --> 0:39:17.840
<v Speaker 1>We've got black and white headshots as far as the

0:39:17.880 --> 0:39:22.239
<v Speaker 1>eye can see. And this woman, yes, she's played by

0:39:22.280 --> 0:39:25.640
<v Speaker 1>Renee Taylor, who is a comedian slash actress, slash writer

0:39:26.560 --> 0:39:29.399
<v Speaker 1>who I guess was in The Nanny, which I'm sure

0:39:29.440 --> 0:39:34.680
<v Speaker 1>you looking. I'm like, you're why is The Nanny not written? Yeah,

0:39:34.800 --> 0:39:35.760
<v Speaker 1>because I can.

0:39:35.640 --> 0:39:37.200
<v Speaker 3>Remember some of those stuff. So I knew she was

0:39:37.200 --> 0:39:37.440
<v Speaker 3>in The.

0:39:37.400 --> 0:39:39.160
<v Speaker 1>Nanny, and I knew that you that was gonna be

0:39:39.239 --> 0:39:42.880
<v Speaker 1>your way into her. I don't didn't watch The Nanny,

0:39:43.239 --> 0:39:46.799
<v Speaker 1>but she holds up. Oh, I would love to. And

0:39:46.840 --> 0:39:47.840
<v Speaker 1>I know it just came out.

0:39:47.640 --> 0:39:50.640
<v Speaker 2>Of HBO Max and that holds up. It is a

0:39:50.760 --> 0:39:54.480
<v Speaker 2>joke a second, Like and the butler and like, uh,

0:39:54.680 --> 0:39:58.719
<v Speaker 2>the woman that works for mister Sheffield are so mean

0:39:58.800 --> 0:40:02.120
<v Speaker 2>to each other. The banter amazing. There's so many horny jokes.

0:40:02.160 --> 0:40:07.040
<v Speaker 2>The kids are funny, like it's so good, and her

0:40:07.080 --> 0:40:11.280
<v Speaker 2>outfits alone and the jew elements and and Renee Taylor

0:40:11.360 --> 0:40:12.680
<v Speaker 2>is a big part of the funny.

0:40:13.200 --> 0:40:13.439
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:40:13.480 --> 0:40:16.360
<v Speaker 1>So she's like this classic actress of you know, the

0:40:16.440 --> 0:40:19.080
<v Speaker 1>last decades. But she's also been nominated for an Academy

0:40:19.080 --> 0:40:21.480
<v Speaker 1>Award for writing like she's she used to write things

0:40:21.520 --> 0:40:24.160
<v Speaker 1>with her husband, her late husband, Wait hold on.

0:40:24.160 --> 0:40:26.160
<v Speaker 2>It says she's a voice in Bob's Burger's. And I

0:40:26.200 --> 0:40:29.040
<v Speaker 2>wonder if she plays the sister. I wonder if she's

0:40:29.120 --> 0:40:33.560
<v Speaker 2>Linda Linda Belcher, not Linda, the Linda's sister.

0:40:33.600 --> 0:40:38.000
<v Speaker 1>What's her Linda's sister? I think is Megan Malali? Yeah, okay,

0:40:38.000 --> 0:40:41.480
<v Speaker 1>you're right here, yeah yeah. But but Renee Taylor is

0:40:41.520 --> 0:40:43.520
<v Speaker 1>also in a movie that I'm obsessed with from my

0:40:43.600 --> 0:40:46.920
<v Speaker 1>youth called Delirious with John Candy, and he plays like

0:40:46.960 --> 0:40:49.640
<v Speaker 1>a writer who basically writes himself into his own like

0:40:49.680 --> 0:40:53.920
<v Speaker 1>soap opera, and it's like, and she is in that movie.

0:40:54.000 --> 0:40:56.360
<v Speaker 1>So I wanted to point that out in case anyone

0:40:56.360 --> 0:40:58.480
<v Speaker 1>else is a delirious fan out there never even heard

0:40:58.480 --> 0:41:01.279
<v Speaker 1>of it. Oh it's right, John Candy. I mean, I

0:41:01.320 --> 0:41:03.279
<v Speaker 1>think I've seen all his movies. I love him so much.

0:41:04.120 --> 0:41:08.200
<v Speaker 1>But maud Monahan happens to remember the exact three blondes

0:41:08.239 --> 0:41:11.080
<v Speaker 1>who are especially batshit about cal Cutler, and she points

0:41:11.120 --> 0:41:13.160
<v Speaker 1>out their headshots because they're all up on her wall.

0:41:13.520 --> 0:41:17.200
<v Speaker 1>She's like, this is Jenny Coswald, Claire Lockton, and Rita Wills.

0:41:17.560 --> 0:41:20.000
<v Speaker 1>And Rita Wills looks like she's topless in her headshot,

0:41:20.040 --> 0:41:23.759
<v Speaker 1>and I respect that. So then the cops track down

0:41:23.760 --> 0:41:26.240
<v Speaker 1>the women and were kind of cutting between all these women.

0:41:26.360 --> 0:41:30.600
<v Speaker 1>So Jenny Coswald is played by Susan Anton, who was

0:41:30.640 --> 0:41:34.040
<v Speaker 1>on Baywatch and is like another sort of like icon

0:41:34.080 --> 0:41:37.840
<v Speaker 1>from the seventies and eighties, and she's at her daughter's

0:41:37.840 --> 0:41:39.799
<v Speaker 1>birthday party and she's like, yeah, I was a young

0:41:39.880 --> 0:41:41.719
<v Speaker 1>dumb ass. He said he'd leave his wife for me,

0:41:41.920 --> 0:41:44.120
<v Speaker 1>got me into bed, then he dumped me. Then they

0:41:44.160 --> 0:41:48.319
<v Speaker 1>go to Claire Lockton, played by Morgan Fairchild, another icon

0:41:48.760 --> 0:41:50.800
<v Speaker 1>and is now a high She's now a high powered

0:41:50.840 --> 0:41:52.800
<v Speaker 1>lawyer and is like, please keep this hush hush. I

0:41:52.800 --> 0:41:55.640
<v Speaker 1>don't want my firm to find out. But she admits

0:41:55.719 --> 0:41:58.279
<v Speaker 1>I hated Emily Cutler. She made cal write a letter

0:41:58.280 --> 0:42:00.880
<v Speaker 1>to me breaking it off with me. And then finally

0:42:01.040 --> 0:42:03.720
<v Speaker 1>they go talk to Rita Wills, the one who slapped

0:42:03.719 --> 0:42:05.879
<v Speaker 1>Emily in the face at the TV studio, and it's

0:42:05.960 --> 0:42:09.720
<v Speaker 1>Anne fucking Margaret, Bye Bye, Bertie a million other things.

0:42:09.719 --> 0:42:13.239
<v Speaker 1>She's huge and she goes, wow, the bitch was keeping

0:42:13.320 --> 0:42:16.759
<v Speaker 1>us apart. She plays this part amazingly. It's really fun

0:42:16.760 --> 0:42:19.520
<v Speaker 1>to watch and like the rest of them, like the

0:42:19.560 --> 0:42:21.960
<v Speaker 1>other two women are like, god, I was dumb, Like yeah,

0:42:22.000 --> 0:42:24.560
<v Speaker 1>I didn't like the woman, but like my life has

0:42:24.600 --> 0:42:27.439
<v Speaker 1>moved on for sure, and Rita Wills is like, yeah,

0:42:27.480 --> 0:42:28.120
<v Speaker 1>that was the love.

0:42:27.960 --> 0:42:30.400
<v Speaker 3>Of my life. Like and it is just so sultry

0:42:30.480 --> 0:42:31.080
<v Speaker 3>and funny.

0:42:31.760 --> 0:42:35.359
<v Speaker 1>Really cut back to Morgan Fairchild explaining that she's like, yeah,

0:42:35.440 --> 0:42:37.400
<v Speaker 1>when Emily died, that was a wake up call for me.

0:42:37.480 --> 0:42:40.200
<v Speaker 1>I stopped acting. I went to law school. Susan Anton

0:42:40.320 --> 0:42:42.600
<v Speaker 1>is like, we were all so dumb. I treated his

0:42:42.640 --> 0:42:45.720
<v Speaker 1>wife badly and then Anne Margaret goes, I regret nothing.

0:42:45.760 --> 0:42:49.000
<v Speaker 1>Those commercials were my big break. It's just a really

0:42:49.000 --> 0:42:52.040
<v Speaker 1>classic like top ten I think SVU guest Stars of

0:42:52.080 --> 0:42:57.920
<v Speaker 1>all time. Stabler asks them all for DNA, and we

0:42:57.960 --> 0:43:01.279
<v Speaker 1>see Jenny go of course and say don't mind at all,

0:43:01.360 --> 0:43:04.120
<v Speaker 1>and then we see Rita flirting with Stabler goes, oh,

0:43:04.160 --> 0:43:07.360
<v Speaker 1>and for you, I'll even say uh and like opens

0:43:07.360 --> 0:43:11.359
<v Speaker 1>her mouth like so sexually Distabler and it's really it's

0:43:11.360 --> 0:43:14.799
<v Speaker 1>like yikes, but it's so funny. So now back at

0:43:14.800 --> 0:43:17.480
<v Speaker 1>the precinct, they're reviewing the women with Huang and Susan

0:43:17.560 --> 0:43:19.480
<v Speaker 1>and she's like, well, Jenny's the one that spit at

0:43:19.520 --> 0:43:23.040
<v Speaker 1>me and Rita slapped me one time, and all of

0:43:23.040 --> 0:43:25.279
<v Speaker 1>these women have like clear records, like none of them

0:43:25.320 --> 0:43:27.920
<v Speaker 1>even has a parking ticket, and Stabler goes, well, Rita

0:43:28.000 --> 0:43:31.680
<v Speaker 1>is cuckoo for Coco Pops, which is you know, overused

0:43:31.680 --> 0:43:33.320
<v Speaker 1>at this point, but in twenty ten, maybe that was

0:43:33.360 --> 0:43:34.000
<v Speaker 1>a newer joke.

0:43:34.160 --> 0:43:39.480
<v Speaker 2>But also Stabler's not hip, so even if it wasn't

0:43:39.520 --> 0:43:42.120
<v Speaker 2>trending or it was hackey, he is like.

0:43:42.320 --> 0:43:44.520
<v Speaker 3>You're right, he would say that next week go o see.

0:43:44.600 --> 0:43:46.520
<v Speaker 3>He would stay it next week, goan O. See you're right.

0:43:47.600 --> 0:43:50.520
<v Speaker 1>So then Melinda killing it with all of her mattresses

0:43:50.600 --> 0:43:53.759
<v Speaker 1>comes in and they're like another walk on, perfect walk on,

0:43:53.960 --> 0:43:57.560
<v Speaker 1>and she goes, we found blood other than Emily's on

0:43:57.600 --> 0:44:02.319
<v Speaker 1>the mattress and it is done, done Rita's So now

0:44:03.560 --> 0:44:05.399
<v Speaker 1>we don't see the other two women again. Now we're

0:44:05.400 --> 0:44:08.200
<v Speaker 1>focusing on Rita. At Rita's place, she comes to the

0:44:08.239 --> 0:44:11.680
<v Speaker 1>door holding a huge Martini glass and she looks absolutely

0:44:11.760 --> 0:44:14.239
<v Speaker 1>hammered and I'm truly just loving everything about her. She

0:44:14.280 --> 0:44:17.160
<v Speaker 1>thinks she thinks stables there to fuck basically, and then

0:44:17.160 --> 0:44:19.400
<v Speaker 1>when Olivia shows up, she's like, oh, a threesome.

0:44:19.560 --> 0:44:21.680
<v Speaker 3>I can get down with that. It's really funny.

0:44:22.760 --> 0:44:25.520
<v Speaker 1>They accuse her of killing Emily and she's like, okay,

0:44:25.560 --> 0:44:27.680
<v Speaker 1>that's a funny story and tries to walk back into

0:44:27.680 --> 0:44:30.799
<v Speaker 1>her apartment and when they arrest her, like when they

0:44:30.800 --> 0:44:33.640
<v Speaker 1>go to grab her, she smashes her martini glass against

0:44:33.680 --> 0:44:37.480
<v Speaker 1>the door and starts screaming, her hair is disheveled. This

0:44:37.520 --> 0:44:39.920
<v Speaker 1>is a really great arrest. And then suddenly she totally

0:44:39.960 --> 0:44:41.560
<v Speaker 1>flips in his very docile and is.

0:44:41.520 --> 0:44:44.560
<v Speaker 3>Like, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. It's really funny.

0:44:44.760 --> 0:44:46.960
<v Speaker 1>So now, I mean, can you even believe the ned

0:44:47.080 --> 0:44:49.520
<v Speaker 1>Bogden part like of this episode, Like we're in just

0:44:49.560 --> 0:44:52.720
<v Speaker 1>a totally another world here. It's just this episode takes

0:44:52.719 --> 0:44:54.880
<v Speaker 1>such a left turn to a totally different case and

0:44:54.920 --> 0:45:00.279
<v Speaker 1>I love it. So in interrogation, Rita's going, I'm a

0:45:00.320 --> 0:45:02.520
<v Speaker 1>little drunk, I'm sorry, and then she pulls out a

0:45:02.520 --> 0:45:05.120
<v Speaker 1>flask and starts adding booze to her coffee cup, and

0:45:05.160 --> 0:45:08.000
<v Speaker 1>I just love how much she parties. And they tell

0:45:08.040 --> 0:45:11.120
<v Speaker 1>her that they found her blood on call and Emily's mattress,

0:45:11.400 --> 0:45:13.680
<v Speaker 1>and she's like, oh, you found my blood on the mattress.

0:45:13.680 --> 0:45:14.839
<v Speaker 3>Well, I can explain that.

0:45:15.400 --> 0:45:19.520
<v Speaker 1>And then she's like Cal hated Emily and she knew

0:45:19.560 --> 0:45:21.439
<v Speaker 1>all about all these other women, but she would never

0:45:21.680 --> 0:45:24.959
<v Speaker 1>leave Cal. And she describes how she and Cal had

0:45:25.000 --> 0:45:28.319
<v Speaker 1>like this, you know, epic sex on their bed, and

0:45:28.320 --> 0:45:30.920
<v Speaker 1>that Cal wanted Emily to walk in on them and

0:45:30.960 --> 0:45:33.759
<v Speaker 1>find them, but her friend came early and stable her

0:45:33.840 --> 0:45:37.759
<v Speaker 1>dumbass is like your friend, and live goes she got

0:45:37.760 --> 0:45:39.920
<v Speaker 1>her period, and so it's just very funny to me.

0:45:40.000 --> 0:45:41.080
<v Speaker 3>This stabler doesn't get that.

0:45:42.000 --> 0:45:45.000
<v Speaker 1>Rita goes, yeap b bled everywhere and it just must

0:45:45.000 --> 0:45:47.840
<v Speaker 1>have soaked through the mattress. I was so embarrassed, but

0:45:47.960 --> 0:45:49.560
<v Speaker 1>Cal told me to get rid of the sheets, and

0:45:49.560 --> 0:45:52.360
<v Speaker 1>guess what, I saved them go to my apartment and

0:45:52.400 --> 0:45:54.759
<v Speaker 1>you can find them right there. So they get to

0:45:54.800 --> 0:45:57.640
<v Speaker 1>her apartment and I don't know if this is surprising

0:45:57.719 --> 0:46:00.080
<v Speaker 1>or not, but it is a Cal Cutler shrine, and

0:46:00.080 --> 0:46:02.239
<v Speaker 1>there's like full cutouts of him everywhere.

0:46:02.520 --> 0:46:05.440
<v Speaker 3>His commercial is playing on the TV like on a loop.

0:46:06.400 --> 0:46:09.359
<v Speaker 1>She's got scrap books of like articles about him and

0:46:09.440 --> 0:46:12.880
<v Speaker 1>like letters. And then Stabler finds the period sheets, like

0:46:13.080 --> 0:46:16.160
<v Speaker 1>fully folded up, tied with a ribbon and just period

0:46:16.239 --> 0:46:19.920
<v Speaker 1>stain up and it's really funny to see like a

0:46:19.920 --> 0:46:23.719
<v Speaker 1>picture of Stabler holding period sheets. I will screenshot it

0:46:23.760 --> 0:46:24.319
<v Speaker 1>and put it on the.

0:46:27.640 --> 0:46:31.320
<v Speaker 3>Goes I found the sheets.

0:46:31.480 --> 0:46:36.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And then Olivia starts thumbing through her diaries, Rita's diaries,

0:46:36.719 --> 0:46:39.560
<v Speaker 1>and she finds this last entry in one that says

0:46:39.880 --> 0:46:42.520
<v Speaker 1>I killed for you, Cal, and now you should burn

0:46:42.560 --> 0:46:44.439
<v Speaker 1>in hell or something like that. And then two weeks

0:46:44.520 --> 0:46:46.960
<v Speaker 1>later Cal burns to death in a car accident. So

0:46:47.000 --> 0:46:49.320
<v Speaker 1>a lot of things are coming together here for Stabler

0:46:49.360 --> 0:46:54.279
<v Speaker 1>and Benson. So Stabler, back in interrogation, like throws the

0:46:54.320 --> 0:46:56.759
<v Speaker 1>diary onto the table and Rita wakes up because she's

0:46:56.760 --> 0:47:00.719
<v Speaker 1>face down on the table and she says, that confession

0:47:00.800 --> 0:47:03.360
<v Speaker 1>isn't what you think. I wasn't confessing to killing Emily.

0:47:03.440 --> 0:47:08.000
<v Speaker 1>I was confessing to killing my baby. So basically, she

0:47:08.080 --> 0:47:10.760
<v Speaker 1>found out that she was pregnant two weeks after Emily died.

0:47:11.120 --> 0:47:12.240
<v Speaker 3>Cal didn't want the baby.

0:47:12.239 --> 0:47:14.279
<v Speaker 1>He said it was too soon after Emily was gone

0:47:14.320 --> 0:47:15.279
<v Speaker 1>and that people would talk.

0:47:15.520 --> 0:47:16.799
<v Speaker 3>He told her to get rid of it.

0:47:17.120 --> 0:47:19.040
<v Speaker 1>So she did get an abortion even though she didn't

0:47:19.040 --> 0:47:21.480
<v Speaker 1>want to, and got an infection in her uterus that

0:47:21.600 --> 0:47:25.400
<v Speaker 1>left her unable to have kids because Cal had wanted

0:47:25.400 --> 0:47:27.680
<v Speaker 1>her said just get an abortion and we'll have kids later.

0:47:27.760 --> 0:47:29.360
<v Speaker 1>That's what he had promised her, and then the abortion

0:47:29.440 --> 0:47:30.520
<v Speaker 1>he made her get left her.

0:47:30.880 --> 0:47:33.960
<v Speaker 3>Honey, I wonder was fucking these girls? Like, I know,

0:47:34.200 --> 0:47:34.839
<v Speaker 3>I don't get it.

0:47:35.400 --> 0:47:36.879
<v Speaker 1>I guess he was getting a lot of practice because

0:47:36.880 --> 0:47:39.480
<v Speaker 1>he was doing it a lot. And Cal said it

0:47:39.520 --> 0:47:42.239
<v Speaker 1>was God's plan about what happened to her uterus and

0:47:42.280 --> 0:47:46.400
<v Speaker 1>then dumped her. So, you know, so then they're like,

0:47:46.480 --> 0:47:48.600
<v Speaker 1>so you killed him and she's like, yeah, I did,

0:47:48.719 --> 0:47:50.919
<v Speaker 1>and they're like oh okay. They're like, oh, we're getting

0:47:50.920 --> 0:47:53.520
<v Speaker 1>our confession now, and then she's like, I made cal

0:47:53.560 --> 0:47:55.759
<v Speaker 1>meet me one more time. We met at a bar

0:47:55.840 --> 0:47:57.920
<v Speaker 1>and we got drunk and we started fighting and we

0:47:57.960 --> 0:48:01.080
<v Speaker 1>got kicked out, and then they fought and he drove off,

0:48:01.400 --> 0:48:03.359
<v Speaker 1>and they're like, well, didn't you say you killed him.

0:48:03.440 --> 0:48:05.760
<v Speaker 1>She's like, I did kill him. If he was so drunk,

0:48:05.760 --> 0:48:08.200
<v Speaker 1>I should have taken his keys. So she thinks she's

0:48:08.239 --> 0:48:11.360
<v Speaker 1>responsible for his death, not that she necessarily.

0:48:10.880 --> 0:48:14.960
<v Speaker 2>You know, she gives so many twists and turns. Yeah,

0:48:15.040 --> 0:48:18.160
<v Speaker 2>she gives us so many you know, the diary entry,

0:48:18.280 --> 0:48:21.640
<v Speaker 2>the there's just they're fucking with us and it works,

0:48:21.719 --> 0:48:25.840
<v Speaker 2>and she's the perfect person for this party.

0:48:25.840 --> 0:48:28.160
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, she's great because you're.

0:48:28.000 --> 0:48:30.440
<v Speaker 2>Like, this bitch is guilty. Okay, blood sheets, you're guilty.

0:48:30.480 --> 0:48:32.200
<v Speaker 2>Oh no, a diary entry you're ilty?

0:48:32.320 --> 0:48:32.400
<v Speaker 4>No?

0:48:32.640 --> 0:48:36.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, another admission? Not again, not guilty? What the

0:48:36.960 --> 0:48:37.960
<v Speaker 3>fuck an Margaret?

0:48:38.560 --> 0:48:42.600
<v Speaker 1>No, because this fucking episode has so many twists.

0:48:42.600 --> 0:48:44.440
<v Speaker 3>There's still like three twists left. Okay.

0:48:44.560 --> 0:48:48.960
<v Speaker 1>So they've exhumed cal Cutler's body and Warner has gone

0:48:49.000 --> 0:48:50.920
<v Speaker 1>over it, and her findings are the same as the

0:48:50.960 --> 0:48:55.239
<v Speaker 1>original autopsy, but twist, the body they exhumed is not

0:48:55.520 --> 0:48:58.959
<v Speaker 1>Cal Cutler. Melinda's like, this guy's five to eight, Cal

0:48:59.080 --> 0:49:01.440
<v Speaker 1>was six to two, Like, we're not, you know, fucking

0:49:01.480 --> 0:49:05.279
<v Speaker 1>with six inches here of discrepancy. So the guy that

0:49:05.320 --> 0:49:08.920
<v Speaker 1>she IDs from prison dental records is named James Rogers,

0:49:09.280 --> 0:49:13.040
<v Speaker 1>age forty four, so Cutler, it looks like faked his

0:49:13.120 --> 0:49:16.399
<v Speaker 1>own death. And Melinda goes, here's a lead. Why don't

0:49:16.400 --> 0:49:19.440
<v Speaker 1>you start with the officer who released Rogers from custody

0:49:19.440 --> 0:49:20.319
<v Speaker 1>earlier that day.

0:49:20.680 --> 0:49:21.279
<v Speaker 3>Then Ellie and.

0:49:21.320 --> 0:49:24.120
<v Speaker 1>Olivia both look at the piece.

0:49:23.840 --> 0:49:25.720
<v Speaker 3>Of paper and their look is shocked.

0:49:26.080 --> 0:49:28.880
<v Speaker 1>Then the next scene, Susan Delzio is back at the

0:49:28.920 --> 0:49:32.720
<v Speaker 1>precincts and Olivia is like, so why did you kill Emily?

0:49:33.040 --> 0:49:35.439
<v Speaker 1>And Susan's like, what the fuck are you talking about?

0:49:35.440 --> 0:49:37.799
<v Speaker 1>Because the scene starts out very like Joky. She goes,

0:49:37.880 --> 0:49:39.239
<v Speaker 1>why you guys are calling me in so much? What

0:49:39.280 --> 0:49:40.920
<v Speaker 1>do you want me to rejoin the force? And then

0:49:40.960 --> 0:49:43.400
<v Speaker 1>she's like, haha, so why did you kill Emily? And

0:49:43.440 --> 0:49:45.480
<v Speaker 1>then Susan's like what are you talking about? And liv

0:49:45.600 --> 0:49:48.440
<v Speaker 1>is like, you told us all about meeting Cal, how

0:49:48.480 --> 0:49:50.719
<v Speaker 1>you were so starstruck by him. It must have been

0:49:50.760 --> 0:49:54.480
<v Speaker 1>so exciting, like falling into bed with this local celeb,

0:49:54.680 --> 0:49:56.919
<v Speaker 1>which again Lisa and I don't understand how that would

0:49:56.920 --> 0:50:00.279
<v Speaker 1>be that exciting, but alas, that's what every been thinks here.

0:50:00.520 --> 0:50:02.960
<v Speaker 1>And then they show a photo of Jaqueline Smith as

0:50:03.000 --> 0:50:05.680
<v Speaker 1>a blonde rookie cop and she just absolutely looks like

0:50:05.680 --> 0:50:09.600
<v Speaker 1>a supermodel wearing a police hat, Like this photo is wild,

0:50:09.840 --> 0:50:11.719
<v Speaker 1>Like she just like you just have never seen a

0:50:11.760 --> 0:50:12.480
<v Speaker 1>cop that looks like that.

0:50:12.600 --> 0:50:15.360
<v Speaker 2>There's no way she would survive the police force without

0:50:15.360 --> 0:50:18.200
<v Speaker 2>getting sexually harassed day in and day out for decades.

0:50:18.280 --> 0:50:20.440
<v Speaker 2>There's like no way she was not groped. And it

0:50:20.480 --> 0:50:23.200
<v Speaker 2>was the seventies and no one cared, Yeah.

0:50:22.840 --> 0:50:23.360
<v Speaker 3>For sure.

0:50:23.920 --> 0:50:27.600
<v Speaker 1>So she's like, you know, and but it also shows

0:50:27.640 --> 0:50:29.319
<v Speaker 1>that she was blonde back of the day, because Susan

0:50:29.400 --> 0:50:32.279
<v Speaker 1>Donno now has like a brownish auburn kind of thing

0:50:32.320 --> 0:50:36.239
<v Speaker 1>going on. So lives like you were smarter than those bimbos.

0:50:36.280 --> 0:50:38.600
<v Speaker 1>You know, you convinced Cal that he was a top

0:50:38.640 --> 0:50:41.680
<v Speaker 1>suspect and then so you helped him fake his own death.

0:50:42.320 --> 0:50:44.279
<v Speaker 1>And they're like, what are you talking about. Cal's dead,

0:50:44.360 --> 0:50:46.759
<v Speaker 1>is what Susan's saying. And they're like, Cal isn't dead.

0:50:46.920 --> 0:50:49.880
<v Speaker 1>James Rogers is okay. Then why am I here? And

0:50:49.920 --> 0:50:54.880
<v Speaker 1>where is Cal? You dumb bitch? One of the best moments.

0:50:54.880 --> 0:50:58.239
<v Speaker 1>I love someone just calling Olivia a dumb bitch. And

0:50:58.280 --> 0:50:59.759
<v Speaker 1>if you listen to our podcast, you know we love

0:50:59.760 --> 0:51:04.000
<v Speaker 1>saying that. So where is Cal? Because they keep running

0:51:04.000 --> 0:51:06.680
<v Speaker 1>the story on with her and and she's like, okay,

0:51:06.680 --> 0:51:08.880
<v Speaker 1>but then where's Cal? Like everything you're saying rests on

0:51:08.880 --> 0:51:11.759
<v Speaker 1>where Cal is? And then Stabler enters and goes, he's

0:51:11.760 --> 0:51:15.240
<v Speaker 1>in your apartment where you wouldn't let us in. Remember Pedro, Guys,

0:51:15.719 --> 0:51:19.319
<v Speaker 1>we're about to meet Pedro, And it's Cal Cutler who

0:51:19.360 --> 0:51:23.200
<v Speaker 1>walks in and he's been living in Susan Delzio's apartment

0:51:23.200 --> 0:51:26.200
<v Speaker 1>for thirty five years. He walks in, his face is

0:51:26.239 --> 0:51:29.799
<v Speaker 1>like melted. Okay, And it turns out that in the

0:51:29.840 --> 0:51:32.960
<v Speaker 1>original death faking, the car didn't light up the way

0:51:33.000 --> 0:51:35.280
<v Speaker 1>he plans, so he went down to set it on fire,

0:51:35.440 --> 0:51:37.799
<v Speaker 1>got drenched in gas, and then like got caught on

0:51:37.840 --> 0:51:43.000
<v Speaker 1>fire during the explosion. So Susan breaks down and is

0:51:43.040 --> 0:51:44.960
<v Speaker 1>like he was gonna leave her. I went to get

0:51:44.960 --> 0:51:47.239
<v Speaker 1>his things and Emily wasn't supposed to be there. I

0:51:47.320 --> 0:51:50.279
<v Speaker 1>flew into a rage and it just happened and Cal

0:51:50.360 --> 0:51:52.520
<v Speaker 1>forgave her and they're in love and they just wanted

0:51:52.560 --> 0:51:55.879
<v Speaker 1>to be together forever, and one of them goes, well,

0:51:55.920 --> 0:51:59.640
<v Speaker 1>forever just ended, and she's like touching Cal's melted face

0:51:59.680 --> 0:52:03.000
<v Speaker 1>and like no, no, and then Benson arrests Susan and

0:52:03.080 --> 0:52:05.319
<v Speaker 1>takes her away while she's screaming I love you Cal,

0:52:05.400 --> 0:52:06.280
<v Speaker 1>over and over again.

0:52:06.800 --> 0:52:08.920
<v Speaker 3>And that is dick wolf, Baby.

0:52:08.920 --> 0:52:12.680
<v Speaker 2>That's true love. Because he looked like he should be

0:52:12.719 --> 0:52:14.400
<v Speaker 2>in the Twilight Zone.

0:52:14.640 --> 0:52:16.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, I guess you're just like, wow, I

0:52:16.840 --> 0:52:19.040
<v Speaker 1>got the guy, like I got the hot guy that

0:52:19.160 --> 0:52:21.600
<v Speaker 1>all these babes wanted. I'm gonna keep him in my house.

0:52:21.600 --> 0:52:22.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna keep him alive.

0:52:22.640 --> 0:52:26.080
<v Speaker 3>We're never gonna leave. But it's like, yeah, he must

0:52:26.239 --> 0:52:29.760
<v Speaker 3>never leave. Oh so crazy.

0:52:30.360 --> 0:52:32.560
<v Speaker 2>No, And he probably couldn't handle it since like for

0:52:32.640 --> 0:52:34.239
<v Speaker 2>so long everyone wanted to fuck him and he was

0:52:34.239 --> 0:52:36.280
<v Speaker 2>a celebrity and now he would be like a melted

0:52:36.320 --> 0:52:39.520
<v Speaker 2>monster and people would be yeah, like not just casual,

0:52:39.600 --> 0:52:41.600
<v Speaker 2>but like, I don't think he can handle it.

0:52:41.800 --> 0:52:44.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>That's an incredible episode, Girl Power. Thank you so much. Now,

0:52:50.840 --> 0:53:08.520
<v Speaker 2>have you know some messages from our sponsors. We'll be back, baby, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>So this is based on the Bedroom Basher and you know,

0:53:16.040 --> 0:53:19.000
<v Speaker 2>the Bedtime Butcher, so very very close in terms, and

0:53:19.080 --> 0:53:22.799
<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of overlapping with the episode as you

0:53:22.800 --> 0:53:26.920
<v Speaker 2>will see. So the Bedroom Basher was responsible for, in quotes,

0:53:27.000 --> 0:53:30.960
<v Speaker 2>a string of sex slings that terrorized Orange County in

0:53:31.000 --> 0:53:32.560
<v Speaker 2>the nineteen seventies.

0:53:32.719 --> 0:53:37.000
<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, oh see wow. Yeah, it was in California.

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<v Speaker 2>Gerald Gerard Gerald, Parker Gerald, and he was an ex

0:53:42.840 --> 0:53:46.400
<v Speaker 2>marine and he is now in prison in San Quentin,

0:53:46.480 --> 0:53:48.960
<v Speaker 2>which is the place to be if you're a killer, Like,

0:53:49.080 --> 0:53:50.840
<v Speaker 2>if you want to be put in a jail.

0:53:50.800 --> 0:53:54.000
<v Speaker 3>San Quentin is where you want to be. Oh who's who?

0:53:54.640 --> 0:53:58.279
<v Speaker 1>I guess Yeah, if you're into other psychos, sure, yeah, yeah, yeah, No,

0:53:58.440 --> 0:53:59.080
<v Speaker 1>I think it's.

0:53:58.960 --> 0:54:04.880
<v Speaker 2>A terrible place to be. But you're you know, it's nice.

0:54:04.920 --> 0:54:07.640
<v Speaker 2>You're not in Oklahoma. I don't know, maybe it's better

0:54:07.640 --> 0:54:10.560
<v Speaker 2>to be in Oklahoma. I don't know what I'm talking about.

0:54:10.600 --> 0:54:14.040
<v Speaker 2>I'm just a starfucking horror and Sam Quinton is famous.

0:54:14.560 --> 0:54:19.840
<v Speaker 1>So anyways, is that where Scott Peterson is Yeah? Oh okay, yeah,

0:54:19.880 --> 0:54:21.880
<v Speaker 1>when The Redhead was Well, that's why you like it,

0:54:21.880 --> 0:54:24.239
<v Speaker 1>because we all know you love Scott Peterson.

0:54:24.680 --> 0:54:27.960
<v Speaker 2>I bet we lost tens of thousands of listeners because

0:54:28.000 --> 0:54:29.040
<v Speaker 2>of that episode.

0:54:29.280 --> 0:54:31.279
<v Speaker 3>People are going to turn their backs on me, I

0:54:31.360 --> 0:54:31.680
<v Speaker 3>know it.

0:54:32.360 --> 0:54:36.160
<v Speaker 2>But a jury took over just two hours to find

0:54:36.320 --> 0:54:39.760
<v Speaker 2>Gerald Parker guilty of six counts of first degree murder,

0:54:40.080 --> 0:54:41.640
<v Speaker 2>including the death of a fetus.

0:54:42.200 --> 0:54:46.120
<v Speaker 3>The wild Twist is the wrong Man.

0:54:46.560 --> 0:54:48.799
<v Speaker 2>The husband of one of the victims served more than

0:54:48.920 --> 0:54:53.480
<v Speaker 2>sixteen years in prison for the attack. Oh so five

0:54:53.480 --> 0:54:56.480
<v Speaker 2>of the victims. They were aged between seventeen and thirty

0:54:56.480 --> 0:54:59.520
<v Speaker 2>one years old. In the bedroom bachelor assaults in nineteen

0:54:59.560 --> 0:55:03.840
<v Speaker 2>seventy eight and nineteen seventy nine. We have Deborah Lynn Senior.

0:55:03.960 --> 0:55:06.239
<v Speaker 2>She was seventeen years old and was murdered in her

0:55:06.280 --> 0:55:07.640
<v Speaker 2>Coast to Mesa apartment.

0:55:08.320 --> 0:55:08.880
<v Speaker 3>Sandra K.

0:55:09.040 --> 0:55:13.560
<v Speaker 2>Frye was seventeen and from Anaheim, Kimberly Gay Rollins twenty one,

0:55:13.760 --> 0:55:16.680
<v Speaker 2>from Coast to Mesa and also from Coast to Mesa,

0:55:16.760 --> 0:55:19.640
<v Speaker 2>Marilyn K. Carlton who is thirty one, and then Deborah

0:55:19.680 --> 0:55:24.080
<v Speaker 2>Kennedy twenty four of Tustin. There's also another DNA match

0:55:24.120 --> 0:55:26.359
<v Speaker 2>of a rape of a twenty four year old Optometris,

0:55:26.800 --> 0:55:29.319
<v Speaker 2>but there was a three year statute of limitations, so

0:55:29.360 --> 0:55:31.800
<v Speaker 2>the case expired, but like what three years?

0:55:31.840 --> 0:55:33.960
<v Speaker 3>Three years? So fucked up.

0:55:34.520 --> 0:55:36.600
<v Speaker 2>Also, I love that they're like, you know, twenty four

0:55:36.600 --> 0:55:39.200
<v Speaker 2>old optometrists, like this is the bachelor, like her.

0:55:39.200 --> 0:55:42.600
<v Speaker 3>Name, like, it's just she's a vet tech.

0:55:42.840 --> 0:55:45.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was just weird to read, but you know,

0:55:45.880 --> 0:55:48.759
<v Speaker 2>eye doctors are important. And then the sixth woman was

0:55:48.840 --> 0:55:52.520
<v Speaker 2>Diana Deyello. There is an apostrophe in her name, so

0:55:52.640 --> 0:55:54.960
<v Speaker 2>God knows how to say it. Okay, but I got

0:55:55.000 --> 0:55:59.680
<v Speaker 2>it great, thank you who? And she was nine months

0:55:59.760 --> 0:56:05.440
<v Speaker 2>pre survived the attack, but the baby was stillborn. But

0:56:05.760 --> 0:56:07.880
<v Speaker 2>her husband is the one that was found guilty of

0:56:07.880 --> 0:56:12.680
<v Speaker 2>the crime. So it's just strange because she wasn't dead,

0:56:13.000 --> 0:56:16.960
<v Speaker 2>so like if someone was dead and then they for

0:56:17.280 --> 0:56:20.200
<v Speaker 2>you know, got the wrong guy convicted. That makes sense.

0:56:20.200 --> 0:56:23.040
<v Speaker 2>There's not a witness. So I was very confused, and

0:56:23.080 --> 0:56:25.959
<v Speaker 2>I kept rereading and rereading to make sure I wasn't

0:56:25.960 --> 0:56:30.760
<v Speaker 2>fucking it up. That the woman who lived husband served

0:56:30.880 --> 0:56:33.880
<v Speaker 2>sixteen years of a life sentence for this crime he

0:56:33.920 --> 0:56:36.200
<v Speaker 2>didn't commit. So I will get into how all of

0:56:36.239 --> 0:56:37.000
<v Speaker 2>that came about.

0:56:37.160 --> 0:56:38.880
<v Speaker 3>Of course I have a lot of questions.

0:56:39.120 --> 0:56:41.600
<v Speaker 2>Yay, no, so did I And I kept thinking that

0:56:41.680 --> 0:56:44.920
<v Speaker 2>I just wasn't reading something right, and it was really hard.

0:56:45.400 --> 0:56:49.720
<v Speaker 2>But also for such an interesting crime this is in story,

0:56:49.800 --> 0:56:52.719
<v Speaker 2>I'm shocked there wasn't more information, Like the New York

0:56:52.760 --> 0:56:54.520
<v Speaker 2>Times didn't even mention anything. And you know, I have

0:56:54.560 --> 0:56:57.040
<v Speaker 2>a subscription, but I've learned to things you don't have

0:56:57.080 --> 0:57:01.880
<v Speaker 2>a subscription for. You just copy the the your URL

0:57:02.080 --> 0:57:05.840
<v Speaker 2>is that what it's called the address, the world Wide

0:57:06.120 --> 0:57:10.359
<v Speaker 2>Web address, and you open an incognito window and if

0:57:10.360 --> 0:57:13.880
<v Speaker 2>you put it incognito, you can read the article. Yeah,

0:57:13.920 --> 0:57:15.680
<v Speaker 2>And when someone was telling me they did that, I'm like,

0:57:15.760 --> 0:57:18.600
<v Speaker 2>just pay the ten dollars and support journalism, you motherfucker,

0:57:18.680 --> 0:57:21.000
<v Speaker 2>Like we need journalists in the free press.

0:57:21.320 --> 0:57:23.440
<v Speaker 1>No, but somebody I try to do that because I'm

0:57:23.440 --> 0:57:24.919
<v Speaker 1>reading like an article on like the link.

0:57:25.080 --> 0:57:25.440
<v Speaker 3>You guys.

0:57:25.480 --> 0:57:29.080
<v Speaker 1>I one time, like did subscribe to like the Nebraska

0:57:29.200 --> 0:57:31.720
<v Speaker 1>Star or something that I was like never going to read,

0:57:32.120 --> 0:57:34.080
<v Speaker 1>like some Omaha newspaper, just so I could read an

0:57:34.160 --> 0:57:35.560
<v Speaker 1>article about one of our cases.

0:57:35.240 --> 0:57:36.080
<v Speaker 3>For this podcast.

0:57:36.440 --> 0:57:39.320
<v Speaker 1>And then I had to actually contact them and say hi,

0:57:39.360 --> 0:57:41.120
<v Speaker 1>I'd like to end my subscription. Like there was no

0:57:41.160 --> 0:57:44.320
<v Speaker 1>way to do it online. So it's a little bit harder,

0:57:44.360 --> 0:57:45.320
<v Speaker 1>easier said than done.

0:57:45.720 --> 0:57:52.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So Diana's husband, Kevin Green, was found guilty of

0:57:52.760 --> 0:57:56.560
<v Speaker 2>the crime after an alleged fight. They blamed him for it,

0:57:56.640 --> 0:58:00.600
<v Speaker 2>and he said another man attacked Dello. So he was

0:58:00.640 --> 0:58:04.000
<v Speaker 2>released from prison in nineteen ninety six after DNA samples

0:58:04.080 --> 0:58:07.560
<v Speaker 2>taken from Parker, who was convicted of rape, matched with

0:58:07.640 --> 0:58:10.880
<v Speaker 2>the traces from five unsolved crimes and the Green case.

0:58:11.760 --> 0:58:16.600
<v Speaker 3>So he spent sixteen years in prison. Can you fucking imagine, NA?

0:58:17.000 --> 0:58:20.880
<v Speaker 2>So, what Deanna claimed was that her ex husband beat

0:58:20.920 --> 0:58:24.280
<v Speaker 2>her and left her semi conscious in their apartment right

0:58:24.400 --> 0:58:28.840
<v Speaker 2>before Parker entered through an unlocked kitchen door and struck

0:58:28.920 --> 0:58:31.800
<v Speaker 2>and raped her. She said he was mad and attacked

0:58:31.840 --> 0:58:34.880
<v Speaker 2>her and they were fighting after she refused to have sex,

0:58:36.320 --> 0:58:39.040
<v Speaker 2>which would be fucked to force her nine month pregnant

0:58:39.040 --> 0:58:40.960
<v Speaker 2>wife to fuck.

0:58:41.960 --> 0:58:44.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but also that's like a full thing that would

0:58:44.240 --> 0:58:46.600
<v Speaker 1>happen on SVU, Like, you beat your wife and leave

0:58:46.600 --> 0:58:48.920
<v Speaker 1>her unconscious and then somebody walks right in the door

0:58:49.040 --> 0:58:52.840
<v Speaker 1>and commits a crime. Yeah, you committed a crime. That

0:58:52.960 --> 0:58:56.320
<v Speaker 1>is a crime, But like that's wild.

0:58:56.560 --> 0:59:00.120
<v Speaker 2>So she says that the culpability of Gerald Parker does

0:59:00.200 --> 0:59:04.040
<v Speaker 2>not excuse Kevin Lee Green she said, she feels that

0:59:04.080 --> 0:59:06.720
<v Speaker 2>she has been raped and beaten by two men, by

0:59:06.760 --> 0:59:09.720
<v Speaker 2>a stranger and by a man who I loved and trusted.

0:59:09.960 --> 0:59:11.080
<v Speaker 3>Is what she said in court.

0:59:11.760 --> 0:59:12.320
<v Speaker 1>Wow.

0:59:12.640 --> 0:59:15.360
<v Speaker 2>In October of nineteen ninety nine, the governor signed a

0:59:15.400 --> 0:59:18.840
<v Speaker 2>bill awarding Kevin Green six hundred and twenty thousand dollars

0:59:18.880 --> 0:59:21.400
<v Speaker 2>for compensation for the years he spent behind bars for

0:59:21.440 --> 0:59:22.480
<v Speaker 2>a crime he did not do.

0:59:23.280 --> 0:59:25.040
<v Speaker 3>But again, like, what the fuck?

0:59:25.080 --> 0:59:26.800
<v Speaker 2>Like the wife was alive, so how did she keep

0:59:26.800 --> 0:59:28.520
<v Speaker 2>blaming her husband if she was dead?

0:59:28.680 --> 0:59:31.600
<v Speaker 3>Like? It is tough to put this all together.

0:59:32.160 --> 0:59:35.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because she was in a coma and knocked unconscious.

0:59:35.640 --> 0:59:38.160
<v Speaker 2>So I'm not sure how her testimony was even admissible

0:59:38.200 --> 0:59:41.400
<v Speaker 2>in court. And I'm not a lawyer. I think I am,

0:59:41.480 --> 0:59:44.720
<v Speaker 2>of course, but I don't know how it was allowed

0:59:44.760 --> 0:59:50.400
<v Speaker 2>if she was fucked and she suffered memory loss. But

0:59:50.480 --> 0:59:53.600
<v Speaker 2>her testimony did help convict him. And I feel bad

0:59:53.600 --> 0:59:54.439
<v Speaker 2>for Kevin Lee Green.

0:59:54.440 --> 0:59:58.200
<v Speaker 1>But he also beat a nine month pregnant woman unconscious.

0:59:58.320 --> 1:00:01.400
<v Speaker 3>I mean he denies it. Yeah, I have no idea

1:00:01.440 --> 1:00:01.920
<v Speaker 3>what happened.

1:00:01.920 --> 1:00:03.840
<v Speaker 2>I mean, he had an out, so basically, the jury

1:00:04.400 --> 1:00:07.480
<v Speaker 2>what the jury did not believe Green's alibi, He said

1:00:07.480 --> 1:00:09.320
<v Speaker 2>that he went to eat a cheeseburger at the time

1:00:09.320 --> 1:00:11.440
<v Speaker 2>of the attack, and that he had seen a black

1:00:11.480 --> 1:00:14.600
<v Speaker 2>man loitering around the apartment complex, and the jury just

1:00:14.640 --> 1:00:17.800
<v Speaker 2>didn't believe it because also blaming a random or imagined

1:00:17.960 --> 1:00:23.040
<v Speaker 2>black person is pretty standard, you know, to.

1:00:23.040 --> 1:00:24.680
<v Speaker 3>Lie and blame it on somebody black.

1:00:25.160 --> 1:00:29.400
<v Speaker 2>So that like his alibi worked against That's the thing

1:00:29.440 --> 1:00:31.520
<v Speaker 2>that's tough, because he was like this model inmate. And

1:00:31.520 --> 1:00:33.640
<v Speaker 2>we'll get into it. But of course did he beat

1:00:33.640 --> 1:00:37.320
<v Speaker 2>this nine month pregnant wife. Why, like, why was Gerald

1:00:37.360 --> 1:00:39.760
<v Speaker 2>never in the picture? It's tough. I have no idea.

1:00:40.600 --> 1:00:42.560
<v Speaker 2>I don't know why. I see it as so twisted.

1:00:42.600 --> 1:00:47.720
<v Speaker 2>But maybe he did leave his wife unconscious on the ground.

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<v Speaker 3>It's fucked up. Well, I mean, I don't know why

1:00:49.640 --> 1:00:53.320
<v Speaker 3>she would make up that story. I don't either, you know,

1:00:54.360 --> 1:00:54.959
<v Speaker 3>I don't either.

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<v Speaker 2>So if he did, I mean, if he did do it,

1:00:57.960 --> 1:01:01.360
<v Speaker 2>he did spend sixteen years in prisons, so that is good.

1:01:01.800 --> 1:01:04.120
<v Speaker 2>But it is the death of the unwanted death of

1:01:04.280 --> 1:01:06.960
<v Speaker 2>a fetus that is a murder.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I said, I'm very shocked that there's not more

1:01:11.360 --> 1:01:15.160
<v Speaker 2>about this case. There was one weird episode of something

1:01:15.280 --> 1:01:16.440
<v Speaker 2>that I didn't want to watch.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, and like, if he beat her, that is

1:01:20.120 --> 1:01:22.240
<v Speaker 1>what could have caused the stillborn to die. They probably

1:01:22.280 --> 1:01:25.360
<v Speaker 1>cannot determine whether it was that beating or the second

1:01:25.440 --> 1:01:28.840
<v Speaker 1>crime that is what killed the child, yeah, or the fetus.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>She ended up suing him for a wrongful death suit

1:01:33.120 --> 1:01:36.040
<v Speaker 2>and still holds him partially responsible for the crime. She

1:01:36.120 --> 1:01:39.400
<v Speaker 2>won a multimillion dollar judgment by default because Green was

1:01:39.440 --> 1:01:42.160
<v Speaker 2>in prison, but when he was freed from prison, he

1:01:42.200 --> 1:01:44.880
<v Speaker 2>filed a counter suit to have the judgment thrown out

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<v Speaker 2>and it was voided eventually.

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<v Speaker 3>But he has said that she.

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<v Speaker 2>Was a victim of the system as I was, and

1:01:52.120 --> 1:01:55.960
<v Speaker 2>is it mad or blames her for anything? So does

1:01:56.000 --> 1:01:57.880
<v Speaker 2>that mean he's like a good guy or he knows

1:01:57.880 --> 1:01:59.520
<v Speaker 2>he fucking beat the shit out of her?

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<v Speaker 3>And yeah, I don't blame her. I did fuck up.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. Lies.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd also be mad if I had to spend that

1:02:09.080 --> 1:02:11.360
<v Speaker 2>much time in jail if I didn't do it.

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<v Speaker 3>It's tough.

1:02:13.160 --> 1:02:15.120
<v Speaker 2>But scoop from the jail was that he was a

1:02:15.120 --> 1:02:18.440
<v Speaker 2>model inmate. My favorite, This is one of my favorite

1:02:18.440 --> 1:02:21.480
<v Speaker 2>things I've ever found in research. He planned and coordinated

1:02:21.520 --> 1:02:27.280
<v Speaker 2>the prison. Christmas parties love that he was the warden's

1:02:27.320 --> 1:02:30.880
<v Speaker 2>secretary and he helped give tours to college students of

1:02:30.920 --> 1:02:34.360
<v Speaker 2>the prison. And he kept remaining like, he kept saying

1:02:34.360 --> 1:02:36.440
<v Speaker 2>he was innocent the whole time, and that actually hurt

1:02:36.520 --> 1:02:39.880
<v Speaker 2>him in parole hearings because he was viewed as unrepentant. So,

1:02:40.920 --> 1:02:42.640
<v Speaker 2>you know, they like when you learn a lesson, they

1:02:42.720 --> 1:02:44.840
<v Speaker 2>don't like if you continue to say that you're innocent.

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<v Speaker 3>Here's what I don't understand.

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<v Speaker 1>The DNA they found on her was not his DNA,

1:02:51.280 --> 1:02:53.640
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean, Like he couldn't have.

1:02:53.560 --> 1:02:56.400
<v Speaker 3>Gotten the but there was no DNA. This was the seventies.

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<v Speaker 3>Then how did they end up matching it to Gerald

1:02:59.000 --> 1:03:00.160
<v Speaker 3>in the nineties.

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<v Speaker 2>In the nineties Gerald, I'll get back into it. Right

1:03:04.280 --> 1:03:07.880
<v Speaker 2>around the time of Dello's attack, several other women were

1:03:07.920 --> 1:03:10.680
<v Speaker 2>sexually assaulted and brutally murdered by an assailant, but the

1:03:10.680 --> 1:03:14.320
<v Speaker 2>cases were never linked, and then the crimes eventually ran cold.

1:03:15.560 --> 1:03:17.600
<v Speaker 2>And it could have been because the testin and COASTA

1:03:17.640 --> 1:03:21.200
<v Speaker 2>MESA departments weren't sharing information with each other or whatnot.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not really sure, but they did. They do always

1:03:23.960 --> 1:03:26.920
<v Speaker 2>keep working on unsolved murders. And then in the nineties

1:03:26.960 --> 1:03:31.680
<v Speaker 2>they learned of a new technology, genetic testing, so it

1:03:31.720 --> 1:03:35.800
<v Speaker 2>was short tandem repeats STR. It's a type of DNA

1:03:35.840 --> 1:03:40.360
<v Speaker 2>analysis that's effective and identifying individuals. At the time, the

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<v Speaker 2>Orange County Crime Lab was only one of three labs

1:03:43.560 --> 1:03:46.240
<v Speaker 2>in the nation capable of this type of analysis.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's really exciting.

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<v Speaker 2>And maybe it's because Orange County is really rich, maybe

1:03:50.280 --> 1:03:53.360
<v Speaker 2>like we do cover a lot of crimes in southern California,

1:03:53.560 --> 1:03:55.600
<v Speaker 2>so maybe it's because we're a hot bed or whatnot.

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<v Speaker 3>But one of three.

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<v Speaker 2>So the testin and Coasta mesa pds submitted to from

1:04:00.600 --> 1:04:05.240
<v Speaker 2>the bedroom Basher murders, and the STR method was used

1:04:05.280 --> 1:04:10.440
<v Speaker 2>to match DNA of convicted individuals through a computer database

1:04:10.600 --> 1:04:14.080
<v Speaker 2>called COTIS. And we've heard about COTIS on SVU and

1:04:14.120 --> 1:04:16.240
<v Speaker 2>this could be a Tarru moment for us, Maybe not

1:04:16.320 --> 1:04:19.840
<v Speaker 2>for me. It was CODIS stands for something, it's combined

1:04:19.960 --> 1:04:24.280
<v Speaker 2>DNA index system. So we're learning, honey, and they got

1:04:24.400 --> 1:04:25.680
<v Speaker 2>multiple hits.

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<v Speaker 3>Multiple hits.

1:04:26.800 --> 1:04:30.280
<v Speaker 2>He obviously thought he had gotten away with these murders

1:04:30.320 --> 1:04:32.640
<v Speaker 2>for such a long time, which I bet is even

1:04:32.680 --> 1:04:35.800
<v Speaker 2>more powerful than Big Dick energy, Like getting away with

1:04:35.960 --> 1:04:40.520
<v Speaker 2>murder energy, I'm sure is big. Yeah, they also think

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<v Speaker 2>that he's responsible for more killings, especially these three other

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<v Speaker 2>dead women in Orange County, but they have not been

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<v Speaker 2>able to improve that. So once they established all the links,

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<v Speaker 2>they took a field trip. They traveled to Avenel State

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<v Speaker 2>Prison in central California to talk to Parker, and eventually

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<v Speaker 2>the Orange County District Attorney did apologize to Kevin Green,

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<v Speaker 2>but also said our justice system is not one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>percent perfect, but it's as close to perfect as you're

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<v Speaker 2>going to find anywhere in this world.

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<v Speaker 3>That can't be true.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's like you're either dumb or not well traveled

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<v Speaker 2>or you think I'm like, it's just not true, and

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<v Speaker 2>I don't and if I don't want you working in

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<v Speaker 2>the legal system, if you think it's.

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<v Speaker 3>That that's close to perfect in the world, Yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 3>really a wild statement.

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<v Speaker 2>I've just been thinking about juries more and more and

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<v Speaker 2>what they cling to and what they don't and that

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<v Speaker 2>you need money and our justice system is not perfect.

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<v Speaker 3>So whatever, cool apology, bro.

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<v Speaker 2>But obviously, like when this all happened, they were very

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<v Speaker 2>excited and completely amazed, said Frank Fitzpatrick, the sheriff's forensic

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<v Speaker 2>science director, and he said, not only did we get

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<v Speaker 2>a hit in the database, but it was linked to

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<v Speaker 2>all of these cases. And I'm sure that was like

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<v Speaker 2>so fucking exciting. Solving a cold case seems exciting. So gir,

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<v Speaker 2>why do I want to say Gerard so bad?

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<v Speaker 1>So?

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<v Speaker 2>Gerald Parker was in custody for sexually assaulting a thirteen

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<v Speaker 2>year old girl in Testine in nineteen eighty and then

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<v Speaker 2>he confessed to it all, including DELLO. The defense did

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<v Speaker 2>not really contest much on any of the physical evidence

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<v Speaker 2>that included fingerprints in DNA matches that made it very

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<v Speaker 2>clear that Parker did it. Parker's lawyers mostly focused on

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<v Speaker 2>his state of mind at the time of the crimes

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<v Speaker 2>and said he was wasted, so it was second degree

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<v Speaker 2>not first degree murder because he couldn't have planned because

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<v Speaker 2>he was like an alcohol drug addict. But I was

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<v Speaker 2>listening to Whitney Comings podcast again with Jenniferyman. They were

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<v Speaker 2>talking about when it comes to murder, arguing it's really

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<v Speaker 2>hard to charge some of the first degree murder and

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<v Speaker 2>like it's hard to prove that somebody planned something or

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<v Speaker 2>was gonna do it, So yeah, like if you're like

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<v Speaker 2>a hardcore murder. Your job isn't to like free the person,

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<v Speaker 2>it's to try to get it down, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Like my uncle's a public was a public defender for

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<v Speaker 1>really long time in Florida. And I'd be like, do

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<v Speaker 1>your clients like do it? And he goes, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>They've always done it. I'm trying to get them to

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<v Speaker 1>not die, like I'm trying to get them not to

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<v Speaker 1>have the death penalty.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm like, oh, got it, got it. And I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>so they're never innocent.

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<v Speaker 2>He's like no, but do but do they lie and

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<v Speaker 2>tell him that they are, and he just goes with it.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think so.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of times it's like you bust it in

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<v Speaker 1>on your wife in bed with someone and shot her.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what he told me.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like stuff like that where it's like it's irrefutable,

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<v Speaker 1>like that you did it, Like it's just you know.

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<v Speaker 2>So, But it's to me the prosecution of course, Arson

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<v Speaker 2>I agree called bullshit and said he knew exactly what

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<v Speaker 2>he was doing. Because if there's a pattern and you

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<v Speaker 2>always do the same thing, there's you clear. If you've

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<v Speaker 2>done it seven times, you know what you're doing.

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<v Speaker 3>Wasted or not totally.

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<v Speaker 1>You might be wasted to get your nerve up, but

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<v Speaker 1>you're doing the same thing over and over.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And he just kept saying I was just there

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<v Speaker 2>to rob people. The killing was an accident side effect.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's like, shut up, bro, you had a signature.

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<v Speaker 2>The judge in the case, Francisco Pi Brazil, I know, Brazano.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's just call him Brasino for the fish. Tom Parker

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<v Speaker 2>is in quote and his inhumane behavior is beyond belief.

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<v Speaker 2>And he rejected all of the defense's arguments about Parker

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<v Speaker 2>and that his life should be spared because he was

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<v Speaker 2>a drug addict with a troubled background. And it's like, sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>unfortunately that only works for white men who murdered dozens

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<v Speaker 2>of people at once.

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<v Speaker 3>Honey, come on now, it's not gonna work for you.

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<v Speaker 2>He was convicted in nineteen ninety eight, sentenced to death

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen ninety nine. Like I said, he is in

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<v Speaker 2>San Quentin on death row. And Green, Kevin Green, now

1:08:34.439 --> 1:08:37.960
<v Speaker 2>lives in Missouri. And of course, you know, tragedy all

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<v Speaker 2>the way around, lots of lives damaged, lost, lots of

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<v Speaker 2>years and I don't know, and.

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<v Speaker 3>Is this fucked up?

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<v Speaker 1>But did you say how he murdered them. I think

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<v Speaker 1>they could just beat the shit out of them. When

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<v Speaker 1>you said the guy said it was an accident, I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>how much of an accident can it.

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<v Speaker 3>Be to like bash someone to death? Yeah, I don't know, Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Obviously if I found it, I would have written, you know, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it was hard. It was like the La Times was

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<v Speaker 2>the only thing that really gave me more, Like I

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<v Speaker 2>had to go on murder Pedia. I was on sheriff's websites,

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<v Speaker 2>like I really there was not as much as I

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<v Speaker 2>would have assumed. That's really interesting, And a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>it was about the exoneration of Kevin Green and the

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<v Speaker 2>letting go and like the dramatics of that versus this.

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<v Speaker 1>So I don't know, interesting, Well, thanks for all that research.

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<v Speaker 1>I knew not a lick about the bedtime.

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<v Speaker 3>No, that's what I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's such an intricate case and different in fault,

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<v Speaker 2>like you know, and this whole time, I'm like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>thank god Kevin Green got out of prison. But then

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<v Speaker 2>you brought up it doesn't mean that Diana was wrong,

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<v Speaker 2>and so that adds more layers to it. And obviously

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<v Speaker 2>s you found how to get this going, but I

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<v Speaker 2>am shocked that it's not more like in conversation or

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<v Speaker 2>another podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and obviously I wish there was a seventies mattress

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<v Speaker 1>king who was embroiled, you know, multi woman plot that

1:10:03.160 --> 1:10:06.040
<v Speaker 1>ended up with him living in seclusion for thirty five years.

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<v Speaker 1>But this was good too, Yeah, and slowly melting all right,

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<v Speaker 1>that was awesome And we have a you're not even

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<v Speaker 1>gonna believe it, honestly, it's such a good I'm so

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<v Speaker 1>excited who we're talking to?

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<v Speaker 3>You guys, stick.

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<v Speaker 1>Around, Okay, you guys, we were both like truly gagged

1:10:29.280 --> 1:10:31.439
<v Speaker 1>when this person said that they would do our podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>Like we were like, are you sure? Like does she

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<v Speaker 3>know what this is?

1:10:34.600 --> 1:10:39.519
<v Speaker 1>Like? We have a truly iconic actress and absolute fashion mogul.

1:10:40.000 --> 1:10:44.400
<v Speaker 1>A legend in celebrity branding, She's appeared in everything from

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<v Speaker 1>CSI to The Love Boat, and is best known as

1:10:47.040 --> 1:10:50.720
<v Speaker 1>one of the og angels in Charlie's Angels. But you

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<v Speaker 1>guys know her from today's episode as Susan Deelzio. Guys,

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<v Speaker 1>feast your ears on our Chat with the Great Jacqueline Smith.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, Jacqueline Smith. We really cannot believe we're

1:11:04.080 --> 1:11:04.680
<v Speaker 1>talking to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, what made you say yes to the podcast? We

1:11:07.240 --> 1:11:09.840
<v Speaker 2>were floored. You are like our reach and we could

1:11:09.840 --> 1:11:10.679
<v Speaker 2>not believe it.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh that's very flattering, thank you. Although you know, I'm

1:11:15.120 --> 1:11:18.920
<v Speaker 5>not used to podcasts, but I think they're certainly what's

1:11:18.960 --> 1:11:21.559
<v Speaker 5>happening today, and it's good for me to sort of

1:11:21.600 --> 1:11:24.280
<v Speaker 5>open up and do it and eat more people and

1:11:24.360 --> 1:11:26.040
<v Speaker 5>do more things.

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<v Speaker 2>That we obviously have a lot of prepared questions. But

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<v Speaker 2>I see there's trophies behind you, and I am intrigued

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<v Speaker 2>and I'd like to know what they are.

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<v Speaker 5>They're not mine, golf trophies, Brant. I mean, he's he's good,

1:11:41.000 --> 1:11:48.880
<v Speaker 5>so really and it's his passion, so he right, that's

1:11:48.920 --> 1:11:54.520
<v Speaker 5>a good answer, Brad. Yeah, but he's played all his life.

1:11:54.439 --> 1:12:00.360
<v Speaker 1>And amazing love and you you guys live in Los Angeles, right, yes, yeah,

1:12:00.400 --> 1:12:01.040
<v Speaker 1>we're here too.

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<v Speaker 3>So you must belong to like a club where he

1:12:03.160 --> 1:12:04.400
<v Speaker 3>gets to play a lot, right.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, he belonged to a club in Houston, where I'm

1:12:07.479 --> 1:12:10.760
<v Speaker 5>from because he practiced medicine there, and now he's in

1:12:10.800 --> 1:12:14.040
<v Speaker 5>the process of joining a club here. Great, it is true,

1:12:14.080 --> 1:12:15.280
<v Speaker 5>this club situation.

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<v Speaker 3>You got to get your hours in. You can't.

1:12:17.800 --> 1:12:22.040
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, you gotta, you know, have everybody to your house

1:12:22.120 --> 1:12:24.479
<v Speaker 5>and do the right things to get into these clubs.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't understand.

1:12:25.800 --> 1:12:29.479
<v Speaker 5>In the film business, we don't have clubs, right, just

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<v Speaker 5>welcome everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well I'm from I'm from Connecticut, so

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<v Speaker 1>I know the whole club.

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<v Speaker 3>About to say, how do you know about golfing, and

1:12:37.320 --> 1:12:38.040
<v Speaker 3>then I go, oh, yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>Connecticut, Oh Connecticut, Yes, I love Connecticut. Yeah. Really, how

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<v Speaker 5>long have you been here?

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<v Speaker 1>I've been in LA for six years, after eleven in

1:12:48.280 --> 1:12:50.480
<v Speaker 1>New York City and then growing up in Connecticut.

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<v Speaker 5>I get it. New York's fun.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you spend like a lot of time living there?

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<v Speaker 5>Ever? I started my career there as a ballet dancer,

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<v Speaker 5>and then oh that's right, lived on with doing other

1:13:03.360 --> 1:13:06.240
<v Speaker 5>things and would go back and forth. But now with COVID,

1:13:06.360 --> 1:13:11.040
<v Speaker 5>I haven't been probably in two years. You know. I'd

1:13:11.040 --> 1:13:13.840
<v Speaker 5>go because my design team for kmart sears, which I'm

1:13:13.880 --> 1:13:18.640
<v Speaker 5>no longer with it, but was there, so I was

1:13:18.720 --> 1:13:22.000
<v Speaker 5>constantly going and loving it. I love me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, it's weird. We're we're both big fans. If

1:13:26.320 --> 1:13:28.960
<v Speaker 1>we could be by coastal easily, we would both do that.

1:13:29.000 --> 1:13:30.719
<v Speaker 5>I think, yeah, it would be nice.

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<v Speaker 2>But you did mention the Kmart line and we were

1:13:35.920 --> 1:13:40.120
<v Speaker 2>talking about how now so many celebrities and influencers have

1:13:40.280 --> 1:13:42.679
<v Speaker 2>lines and makeup lines and everything, but you were really

1:13:43.439 --> 1:13:45.679
<v Speaker 2>the first. And do you think you get enough credit

1:13:45.880 --> 1:13:50.000
<v Speaker 2>for being kind of the first celeb clothing line.

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<v Speaker 5>I think where the credit comes if I think of

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<v Speaker 5>it as credit is I did it thirty five years. Yeah,

1:13:57.479 --> 1:14:01.040
<v Speaker 5>and now as it speaks for the line line and

1:14:01.120 --> 1:14:04.760
<v Speaker 5>my team and thirty six years, he's going to correct me.

1:14:06.120 --> 1:14:09.000
<v Speaker 5>He's the numbers man. It's the way our brains work.

1:14:09.400 --> 1:14:12.639
<v Speaker 5>But when you think of thirty six years with a store,

1:14:13.320 --> 1:14:16.280
<v Speaker 5>it was an education. They were great to me. I

1:14:16.320 --> 1:14:20.160
<v Speaker 5>had the greatest team. I went the distance. And as

1:14:20.240 --> 1:14:24.320
<v Speaker 5>much as we talk about Charlie's Kmart Sears was my

1:14:24.520 --> 1:14:27.920
<v Speaker 5>career in branding and it opened up so many things

1:14:27.960 --> 1:14:29.839
<v Speaker 5>for me. So I'm grateful.

1:14:31.040 --> 1:14:33.920
<v Speaker 1>No, it's just funny that like any housewife that's been

1:14:33.960 --> 1:14:37.280
<v Speaker 1>on the show for like one one season will put

1:14:37.280 --> 1:14:41.160
<v Speaker 1>out a skincare line or you know, do anything, like

1:14:41.240 --> 1:14:44.680
<v Speaker 1>all different kinds of stuff, and you seem like you're

1:14:44.760 --> 1:14:48.000
<v Speaker 1>like the Jacqueline Smith collections, like the first celebrity to

1:14:48.080 --> 1:14:50.120
<v Speaker 1>kind of get in that trailblazer.

1:14:50.439 --> 1:14:52.960
<v Speaker 5>It was at the time, you know, it was under

1:14:52.960 --> 1:14:55.120
<v Speaker 5>contract to Max Factor and they did not want me

1:14:55.200 --> 1:14:57.439
<v Speaker 5>to do it. They said, that's not your customer, don't

1:14:58.080 --> 1:15:00.519
<v Speaker 5>and I turned it down and then they said take

1:15:00.560 --> 1:15:02.800
<v Speaker 5>a meeting with us, and I did, and I saw

1:15:02.840 --> 1:15:05.840
<v Speaker 5>a line. It was a line called Hunter's Glen. It

1:15:05.880 --> 1:15:08.640
<v Speaker 5>was very reminiscent of Ralph Lauren and I looked at

1:15:08.640 --> 1:15:10.639
<v Speaker 5>it and I thought, wow, how can they do that

1:15:10.680 --> 1:15:15.040
<v Speaker 5>for that price, you know, And it fascinated me, and

1:15:15.200 --> 1:15:17.760
<v Speaker 5>I thought, I'm going to take this on because my

1:15:17.840 --> 1:15:20.400
<v Speaker 5>mother had always wanted to be a designer, and I thought,

1:15:20.479 --> 1:15:24.640
<v Speaker 5>this is an opportunity for me, and it's going to

1:15:24.720 --> 1:15:27.880
<v Speaker 5>be going in new, new direction, new terrain, and it's

1:15:27.880 --> 1:15:30.280
<v Speaker 5>going to be a challenge. And it was a challenge.

1:15:30.720 --> 1:15:33.599
<v Speaker 5>And I would say, look over one hundred million women

1:15:33.640 --> 1:15:38.120
<v Speaker 5>I worm purchased my clothes, So that's you know, that's

1:15:38.200 --> 1:15:38.799
<v Speaker 5>great feeling.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you remember any specific product that was like the

1:15:42.439 --> 1:15:45.120
<v Speaker 1>big hit, like oh, we had this leopard blouse that

1:15:45.200 --> 1:15:47.640
<v Speaker 1>flew off the shelves, or like this duster.

1:15:47.600 --> 1:15:48.160
<v Speaker 3>Like anything.

1:15:48.320 --> 1:15:53.640
<v Speaker 1>Like my husband's talking in that He's like I know

1:15:53.960 --> 1:15:54.880
<v Speaker 1>it's a classic.

1:15:56.280 --> 1:16:04.639
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, he loves it. I think he should be on camera. Okay, yeah, okay.

1:16:05.439 --> 1:16:07.600
<v Speaker 5>Any particular thing that flew.

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<v Speaker 1>Out, yeah, like that just was, yeah, like a signature

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<v Speaker 1>thing or you were like, wow, this was like our

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<v Speaker 1>biggest seller.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, certainly my first collection was it just because we

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<v Speaker 5>didn't we didn't debut it in all the stores, and

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<v Speaker 5>it just sold like gangbusters. And it was sort of

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<v Speaker 5>very collegiate looking bleted pants and you know, cotton blouses

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<v Speaker 5>and very uh, you know, just sort of classic clothing.

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<v Speaker 5>And so then it was a big hit. But then

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<v Speaker 5>later we did cashmere sweaters Bnack cardigans and they flew

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<v Speaker 5>out because the price point was unbelievable for one hundred

1:16:52.360 --> 1:16:57.519
<v Speaker 5>percent cashmere. So there are those particular things. Our leather skirts,

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<v Speaker 5>our pencil leather skirts, and we went into vegan leather skirts,

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<v Speaker 5>which flu So there's been you know, I think we

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<v Speaker 5>always did in October breast cancer month because I'm a

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<v Speaker 5>breast cancer survivor, so we would do a collection and

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<v Speaker 5>part of that went to breast cancer research.

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<v Speaker 3>That's amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>You seem like you really like, you know, a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people are really stuck in what they know and

1:17:22.960 --> 1:17:25.960
<v Speaker 1>you seem like you really are open to new things

1:17:26.000 --> 1:17:28.080
<v Speaker 1>and pivoting, like let's do a leather skirt to a

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<v Speaker 1>vegan skirt to podcasts.

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<v Speaker 3>You know you're trying new thing.

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<v Speaker 5>You know it's interesting. You girls are great and you

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<v Speaker 5>know when you don't know where to look on a

1:17:37.000 --> 1:17:41.280
<v Speaker 5>podcast because I'm an you know, actress to start with

1:17:41.880 --> 1:17:44.840
<v Speaker 5>the stories in the eyes and you just, you know,

1:17:45.080 --> 1:17:48.200
<v Speaker 5>are looking a million places. I think podcasts are hard,

1:17:48.240 --> 1:17:50.280
<v Speaker 5>and when you're a hit at it, it's really it's

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<v Speaker 5>not the easiest thing to do.

1:17:52.000 --> 1:17:54.479
<v Speaker 1>No, it's and you know, I think when podcasts first

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<v Speaker 1>started a lot of people were doing it together.

1:17:56.040 --> 1:17:57.639
<v Speaker 3>It's really covid that we're on zoom.

1:17:57.720 --> 1:17:59.640
<v Speaker 1>Like you used to invite someone to your studio and

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<v Speaker 1>you would across from you to have a conversation.

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<v Speaker 5>Love that because I love one on one stories in

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<v Speaker 5>the eyes. Sure, and you know you get to but

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<v Speaker 5>you know, it's interesting. Even in film today, auditions are

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<v Speaker 5>on zoom and on camera, and I think they missed

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<v Speaker 5>so much, they missed so much.

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<v Speaker 3>From Yeah, that's interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you still auditioning? Are you still tapes? I feel

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<v Speaker 2>you're an offer only girl.

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<v Speaker 5>No, I'm like to think I'm an offer only, and yes,

1:18:31.240 --> 1:18:33.400
<v Speaker 5>they're those. And then sometimes they'll say we want to

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<v Speaker 5>see you on film, and yeah, so I'll do it.

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<v Speaker 5>But you know, in general, you know, they do know

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<v Speaker 5>my work, and I have a film that I can

1:18:43.280 --> 1:18:46.120
<v Speaker 5>show them, but sometimes you know, they say, no, we

1:18:46.160 --> 1:18:47.679
<v Speaker 5>want to see you read these lines?

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<v Speaker 3>Interesting? Yeah and how yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Speaking of well, I was just going to say, now

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<v Speaker 1>that we're getting into your acting career, can we talk

1:18:55.760 --> 1:18:58.280
<v Speaker 1>about like what got you to this SPU episode?

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<v Speaker 2>Do we have a theory that Neil bar wanted you

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<v Speaker 2>and came right after you?

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<v Speaker 5>That's right? Do you know him?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, he's done our podcast twice.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh, he is a great guy. And as you know

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<v Speaker 5>in that episode I did, he had and Margaret Morgan,

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<v Speaker 5>Fairchild and all these you know, sort of seventies. It

1:19:19.640 --> 1:19:23.080
<v Speaker 5>was really a fun show to do, although I didn't

1:19:23.080 --> 1:19:25.360
<v Speaker 5>get to work with and Margaret and I didn't work

1:19:25.360 --> 1:19:29.120
<v Speaker 5>with Morgan, but I love doings for you. I love

1:19:29.200 --> 1:19:31.960
<v Speaker 5>New York. There was a big snowstorm. We were there longer.

1:19:32.320 --> 1:19:36.960
<v Speaker 5>The streets were covered in snow, and so you know

1:19:37.240 --> 1:19:40.679
<v Speaker 5>the length of time was you know, much longer because

1:19:40.720 --> 1:19:44.439
<v Speaker 5>we had to delay some shootings. But it's a great show.

1:19:44.520 --> 1:19:47.600
<v Speaker 5>It's a show that gosh, how many years.

1:19:47.560 --> 1:19:49.520
<v Speaker 3>Twenty three seasons.

1:19:50.080 --> 1:19:52.240
<v Speaker 5>So he's done your podcast, tell him hi if he

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<v Speaker 5>does it again.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah no, and he you know, he told us that's

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<v Speaker 1>his sort of like the thing, a thing he loves

1:19:58.840 --> 1:20:01.680
<v Speaker 1>or just like all these class the actresses from the seventies,

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<v Speaker 1>and so he was constantly trying to get them. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think this episode is like gott Neil Bear's name

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<v Speaker 1>written all over it because you were all.

1:20:09.720 --> 1:20:12.400
<v Speaker 3>Wow, it's all like these icons in one episode.

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<v Speaker 5>His idea. I think he had it even long before

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<v Speaker 5>he brought it together. And I had worked for Dick

1:20:19.280 --> 1:20:23.000
<v Speaker 5>Wolf before who because I'd done Christine Cromwell for him,

1:20:23.439 --> 1:20:26.800
<v Speaker 5>and they just worked all those girls yeah together and

1:20:28.120 --> 1:20:31.320
<v Speaker 5>it was a fun show. It's funny. I wanted to

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<v Speaker 5>do the n Margaret part and they, oh, no, you're

1:20:34.400 --> 1:20:37.120
<v Speaker 5>more right for this part. And you know, so I

1:20:37.200 --> 1:20:39.960
<v Speaker 5>ended up being the bad guy and it was the

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<v Speaker 5>bad girl, which.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but you were such a great twist like you

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<v Speaker 1>were the good You were like another cop, like just

1:20:46.800 --> 1:20:48.880
<v Speaker 1>like a lot of times that show will bring in

1:20:48.960 --> 1:20:51.280
<v Speaker 1>like a helper cop that kind of helps the squad

1:20:51.360 --> 1:20:53.639
<v Speaker 1>and they don't always turn out bad, but you did,

1:20:53.680 --> 1:20:55.719
<v Speaker 1>and I'd be great, a great twist.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you know that going in or while you read

1:20:57.800 --> 1:21:00.640
<v Speaker 2>the script? Was it a surprise to you?

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<v Speaker 5>No, well, it opened up as I read it because

1:21:04.040 --> 1:21:06.719
<v Speaker 5>I didn't think she you know, and it was revealed

1:21:06.760 --> 1:21:10.840
<v Speaker 5>at the end. So so it was fun and of course,

1:21:10.880 --> 1:21:12.960
<v Speaker 5>as you know, being in New York was a plus.

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<v Speaker 5>It was a real plus.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, even though you had no scenes with the other

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<v Speaker 2>guest starring women, did you guys get to do any dinners,

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<v Speaker 2>hang out, have some laughs at the hotel all the set.

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<v Speaker 5>No, you know, it's funny. They bring them in. You know,

1:21:27.240 --> 1:21:29.479
<v Speaker 5>they'd bring me to do my part. They'd bring and

1:21:29.760 --> 1:21:33.920
<v Speaker 5>they'd bring Morgan. So that's how they save money time.

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<v Speaker 3>Sure, and don't have a lot of people waiting around, but.

1:21:38.320 --> 1:21:41.280
<v Speaker 5>It would have been fun normally if you do. You know,

1:21:41.360 --> 1:21:45.040
<v Speaker 5>I've done Hallmark where you know Hallmark brings in actresses

1:21:45.080 --> 1:21:48.479
<v Speaker 5>from the seventies. I watched it every night because I

1:21:48.479 --> 1:21:51.040
<v Speaker 5>had to see those Christmas lights and Christmas trees. And

1:21:52.240 --> 1:21:55.639
<v Speaker 5>you know, they say it's the highest rated network. Did

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<v Speaker 5>you know that?

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<v Speaker 3>I did, But I believe it, And so.

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<v Speaker 5>When I do that and you're on location. Yes, you

1:22:03.479 --> 1:22:06.400
<v Speaker 5>have dinner and you hang out and you know, it's

1:22:06.439 --> 1:22:10.160
<v Speaker 5>a real camaraderie. But on SUV it's time to the

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<v Speaker 5>end degree. So they get that show in seven.

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<v Speaker 3>Days or right. That's what we've heard from a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of people that it's very like, you know, it's.

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<v Speaker 5>So well organized and it's down to you know, a

1:22:22.120 --> 1:22:25.559
<v Speaker 5>certain routine and they've got it down. Those actors are

1:22:26.960 --> 1:22:29.800
<v Speaker 5>you know, they can do it and they're sleep Sure.

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<v Speaker 1>You play a former cop retired cop in this episode?

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<v Speaker 1>Did you draw on any of your Charlie's Angels detective skills? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>Was I yeah?

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<v Speaker 5>So long ago?

1:22:40.640 --> 1:22:40.720
<v Speaker 1>No?

1:22:40.960 --> 1:22:42.120
<v Speaker 5>How long ago was that?

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<v Speaker 1>No?

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<v Speaker 5>But you know I'm married to this guy that ends

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<v Speaker 5>up being sort of crazy. Yeah, but you I think

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<v Speaker 5>Charlie's you know, when I think back to holding a gun,

1:22:57.560 --> 1:22:59.800
<v Speaker 5>we knew far and I knew nothing. Kate. She was

1:22:59.840 --> 1:23:02.640
<v Speaker 5>like God, she could just you know, walk down the

1:23:02.640 --> 1:23:06.200
<v Speaker 5>street hold that gun. And I'm doing a book now,

1:23:06.200 --> 1:23:09.479
<v Speaker 5>I'm writing about that. How uncomfortable it was to hold

1:23:09.520 --> 1:23:09.840
<v Speaker 5>a gun.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh wow.

1:23:10.800 --> 1:23:14.679
<v Speaker 5>So we had lessons. We had a technical advisor come

1:23:14.720 --> 1:23:19.080
<v Speaker 5>in and teach us, you know how you you know,

1:23:19.160 --> 1:23:22.280
<v Speaker 5>the safety issues of the gun, which is very important today.

1:23:22.320 --> 1:23:26.000
<v Speaker 5>We know that, yes, and you know so, yeah, I

1:23:26.040 --> 1:23:29.560
<v Speaker 5>think you drawn everything you do. Certainly I Drew on Charlie's,

1:23:30.560 --> 1:23:34.280
<v Speaker 5>but Chris was, hey, let's face it, not a serious

1:23:34.320 --> 1:23:40.000
<v Speaker 5>fluff And what did Aaron Spelling called Charlie's you know,

1:23:40.120 --> 1:23:43.600
<v Speaker 5>mind candy. It was just supposed to be and not

1:23:43.760 --> 1:23:49.400
<v Speaker 5>over analyzed. And so for SV you know, I couldn't

1:23:49.400 --> 1:23:53.240
<v Speaker 5>really draw on too much except just the lingo of

1:23:53.280 --> 1:23:53.719
<v Speaker 5>a cop.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1:23:55.920 --> 1:23:59.200
<v Speaker 1>Speaking of Charlie's Angels, You've sort of appeared in a

1:23:59.200 --> 1:24:00.400
<v Speaker 1>lot of the remake, right.

1:24:01.200 --> 1:24:05.200
<v Speaker 5>I did in the second one with Drew and Cameron

1:24:05.320 --> 1:24:08.639
<v Speaker 5>and Lucy and loved it, and then the last one

1:24:08.920 --> 1:24:13.240
<v Speaker 5>very brief, you know, but the last Charlie's evolved to

1:24:13.280 --> 1:24:16.800
<v Speaker 5>a place I didn't recognize our show because you know,

1:24:16.920 --> 1:24:21.840
<v Speaker 5>I mean times change, and they uh uh, they went

1:24:21.880 --> 1:24:25.479
<v Speaker 5>to another level. Bosley. There were a million Bosley's. And

1:24:25.560 --> 1:24:31.360
<v Speaker 5>it's interesting because I think the fans of Charlie's want Charlie's.

1:24:31.520 --> 1:24:36.200
<v Speaker 5>They want that original concept and I think, you know,

1:24:36.320 --> 1:24:39.920
<v Speaker 5>certainly the way Drew brought it to life and Lynn Goldberg,

1:24:41.320 --> 1:24:42.639
<v Speaker 5>that's what the public wanted.

1:24:43.200 --> 1:24:45.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, it was a hit, and you know, it

1:24:45.760 --> 1:24:46.240
<v Speaker 3>just hit me.

1:24:46.320 --> 1:24:49.320
<v Speaker 2>I wonder if you do you like that pose has

1:24:49.400 --> 1:24:51.840
<v Speaker 2>lived on and still to this day, if I'm taking

1:24:51.840 --> 1:24:54.400
<v Speaker 2>a picture with two other girls, it's like, get into

1:24:54.439 --> 1:24:56.920
<v Speaker 2>the Charlie's pose. Do you ever see that when you're

1:24:56.920 --> 1:24:59.640
<v Speaker 2>out in about and I see it on underground?

1:25:00.360 --> 1:25:03.960
<v Speaker 5>Asked me to do that post, you know, with two

1:25:04.000 --> 1:25:07.120
<v Speaker 5>other girls or so that's just and my daughter goes, Mom,

1:25:07.160 --> 1:25:10.280
<v Speaker 5>why are you doing that? I said, you know, they

1:25:10.280 --> 1:25:12.640
<v Speaker 5>don't quite get it. They don't get you know, my

1:25:12.840 --> 1:25:19.360
<v Speaker 5>children never really watched Charlie's Angels, and they've seen it,

1:25:19.439 --> 1:25:21.880
<v Speaker 5>they know it. I think they saw Drew's you know,

1:25:22.000 --> 1:25:25.559
<v Speaker 5>the second movie, and they were sort of taken back

1:25:25.600 --> 1:25:29.759
<v Speaker 5>with it, and but it's not familiar to them because

1:25:30.680 --> 1:25:36.040
<v Speaker 5>they were little and and you know, I repeat this,

1:25:36.160 --> 1:25:42.280
<v Speaker 5>my son would go, oh, there's there's Jacqueline. Mommy and

1:25:42.400 --> 1:25:47.400
<v Speaker 5>Jacqueline Smith were like two different people, you know, right,

1:25:47.640 --> 1:25:50.320
<v Speaker 5>and he did they just you know, they were removed

1:25:50.360 --> 1:25:53.160
<v Speaker 5>from it, and I was just mom. I was just mom.

1:25:53.280 --> 1:25:57.479
<v Speaker 5>So they're not they don't really know that many shows

1:25:57.520 --> 1:26:00.880
<v Speaker 5>like there are so many people this show. So I'm

1:26:00.880 --> 1:26:04.320
<v Speaker 5>always shocked when I'm signing pictures for people that send

1:26:04.360 --> 1:26:07.720
<v Speaker 5>in Charlie's, Charlie's, Charlie's. That's what it, you know.

1:26:08.040 --> 1:26:11.719
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and I don't think that pose will ever go away.

1:26:11.880 --> 1:26:15.000
<v Speaker 2>I think even if the youth doesn't know where it's

1:26:15.040 --> 1:26:17.400
<v Speaker 2>coming from, they really don't.

1:26:17.520 --> 1:26:19.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they probably don't at all.

1:26:19.920 --> 1:26:23.240
<v Speaker 5>And I existed before that White MKINI and that, you know,

1:26:25.240 --> 1:26:29.679
<v Speaker 5>that's when I was born. Yeah, it's interesting, but it's

1:26:29.720 --> 1:26:33.800
<v Speaker 5>it when you think back, it's it's really great to

1:26:33.880 --> 1:26:37.559
<v Speaker 5>be on on a show remembered like that and that

1:26:37.680 --> 1:26:40.599
<v Speaker 5>kind of a hit because it's rare today and now

1:26:40.640 --> 1:26:44.560
<v Speaker 5>there's so many networks, so wow.

1:26:44.920 --> 1:26:47.559
<v Speaker 1>We talk about that all the time that you know,

1:26:47.720 --> 1:26:50.679
<v Speaker 1>SVU is probably one of like the few existing shows

1:26:50.720 --> 1:26:53.040
<v Speaker 1>that like a lot of people will watch because it's

1:26:53.040 --> 1:26:54.320
<v Speaker 1>in syndications so much.

1:26:54.360 --> 1:26:56.040
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, they're the water cooler.

1:26:56.080 --> 1:26:58.600
<v Speaker 1>Shows like just don't really exist anymore because there's so

1:26:58.680 --> 1:27:02.519
<v Speaker 1>much splintered specific networks, so you can watch whatever you

1:27:02.560 --> 1:27:02.960
<v Speaker 1>want to watch.

1:27:03.320 --> 1:27:06.240
<v Speaker 5>Hi, people make up their mind, you know, and then

1:27:06.280 --> 1:27:08.800
<v Speaker 5>there's so many choices. But you know, when you think

1:27:08.840 --> 1:27:11.800
<v Speaker 5>of friends or Sex in the City, and it'll be

1:27:11.840 --> 1:27:13.840
<v Speaker 5>interesting to see how the new Sex.

1:27:13.600 --> 1:27:16.160
<v Speaker 3>And the City we've been watching. Are you watching?

1:27:16.720 --> 1:27:21.600
<v Speaker 5>Yes? I have been watching it. It's interesting.

1:27:21.720 --> 1:27:22.320
<v Speaker 3>What do you think?

1:27:24.320 --> 1:27:28.640
<v Speaker 5>I love the girls, I love thee Yeah.

1:27:27.800 --> 1:27:31.480
<v Speaker 1>So can I ask you just a couple more SVU thingsir,

1:27:31.920 --> 1:27:33.439
<v Speaker 1>because you know we can't get enough.

1:27:34.160 --> 1:27:37.680
<v Speaker 5>Oh that's woful. I'm so y'all are really? I mean

1:27:37.760 --> 1:27:40.800
<v Speaker 5>I am too, Like at night when I'll turn it

1:27:40.840 --> 1:27:42.040
<v Speaker 5>on and watch a rerun.

1:27:42.360 --> 1:27:44.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, people, do you ever like here from people when

1:27:44.840 --> 1:27:45.840
<v Speaker 1>yours reruns?

1:27:45.880 --> 1:27:47.439
<v Speaker 3>Like your episode's gone again?

1:27:47.560 --> 1:27:50.559
<v Speaker 5>I do, yeah, and it's rerun quite a bit.

1:27:51.120 --> 1:27:54.600
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, So what you got to be in like

1:27:54.680 --> 1:27:56.920
<v Speaker 1>a great scene like at the station where you were

1:27:56.960 --> 1:28:00.439
<v Speaker 1>you were with like Marishka, Christopher Maloney, Damn Floor at

1:28:00.439 --> 1:28:02.519
<v Speaker 1>bed Wong like power players from the show.

1:28:02.840 --> 1:28:03.760
<v Speaker 3>So like what was that like?

1:28:03.800 --> 1:28:05.920
<v Speaker 1>Did you did you hit it off with any of

1:28:05.960 --> 1:28:09.080
<v Speaker 1>them specifically or any little memories or tidbet do you remember?

1:28:09.120 --> 1:28:12.640
<v Speaker 5>I knew Marishka and I think she's your fault. I

1:28:12.680 --> 1:28:15.920
<v Speaker 5>mean not, you know, just in passing and knowing her,

1:28:16.200 --> 1:28:20.120
<v Speaker 5>But in all honesty, to be in that ensemble was

1:28:20.160 --> 1:28:24.320
<v Speaker 5>a bit uh daunting, you know, because you've got to

1:28:24.360 --> 1:28:29.480
<v Speaker 5>get into their rhythm and it's a fine oiled machine

1:28:30.120 --> 1:28:34.679
<v Speaker 5>that group and so you know, I am an actress

1:28:34.720 --> 1:28:38.679
<v Speaker 5>that has done you know, my movies and not gone

1:28:38.680 --> 1:28:41.439
<v Speaker 5>into series that much. So I think it was one

1:28:41.439 --> 1:28:44.880
<v Speaker 5>of the more challenging moments because you don't want to

1:28:44.920 --> 1:28:47.479
<v Speaker 5>let them down and you want to be right in

1:28:47.520 --> 1:28:52.680
<v Speaker 5>with them and have their rhythm and uh so you know,

1:28:52.800 --> 1:28:55.840
<v Speaker 5>it worked out great. But were their nerves. Yeah, there

1:28:55.840 --> 1:28:59.519
<v Speaker 5>weren't some nerves, but everybody was so nice. You couldn't

1:28:59.560 --> 1:29:03.759
<v Speaker 5>have gotten a nicer group. And and like I say,

1:29:03.920 --> 1:29:08.599
<v Speaker 5>they you know, the director knew, you know, how to stage,

1:29:08.640 --> 1:29:11.519
<v Speaker 5>how to place, how to My scenes were emotional, so

1:29:11.680 --> 1:29:14.479
<v Speaker 5>I was sort of into my head too because at

1:29:14.520 --> 1:29:19.519
<v Speaker 5>the end it's kind of an emotional crying scene, which

1:29:19.600 --> 1:29:25.920
<v Speaker 5>usually I'm pretty good at because I'm highly emotional. H So,

1:29:26.800 --> 1:29:29.320
<v Speaker 5>you know, I just remember it in being a little

1:29:29.400 --> 1:29:32.479
<v Speaker 5>scary at first because I hadn't done serious that much.

1:29:32.560 --> 1:29:35.960
<v Speaker 5>I've just done movies, and on a movie, everybody's coming

1:29:36.000 --> 1:29:36.760
<v Speaker 5>in fresh.

1:29:37.600 --> 1:29:39.640
<v Speaker 3>Getting to know it's a longer process.

1:29:39.880 --> 1:29:40.080
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

1:29:41.040 --> 1:29:43.800
<v Speaker 2>I loved your chemistry with Marishka so much. And there's

1:29:43.880 --> 1:29:46.200
<v Speaker 2>this awesome scene where you guys are walking and both

1:29:46.240 --> 1:29:48.880
<v Speaker 2>of your hair is flowing in this perfect way and

1:29:49.680 --> 1:29:53.759
<v Speaker 2>it's just the coolest hair walk every Well.

1:29:53.640 --> 1:29:56.280
<v Speaker 5>Gosh, you guys really remember it this. I'm going to

1:29:56.360 --> 1:29:59.160
<v Speaker 5>watch it again. Yeah, we're going to watch it again.

1:30:00.360 --> 1:30:02.599
<v Speaker 3>You're so good and it you should definitely watch it.

1:30:02.920 --> 1:30:06.240
<v Speaker 5>Well, thank you. I don't always rewatch or watch some

1:30:06.479 --> 1:30:09.160
<v Speaker 5>but I am going, yeah, I need to refresh with

1:30:09.240 --> 1:30:09.759
<v Speaker 5>that one.

1:30:10.280 --> 1:30:10.519
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

1:30:10.520 --> 1:30:13.000
<v Speaker 1>The chemistry like you and Marishka at the end when

1:30:13.040 --> 1:30:15.360
<v Speaker 1>she's got you in the room, it's like very playful

1:30:15.479 --> 1:30:17.559
<v Speaker 1>how she's kind of like, here's what you did, and

1:30:17.600 --> 1:30:21.160
<v Speaker 1>she's like running through you, like but your character's like

1:30:21.240 --> 1:30:24.080
<v Speaker 1>got an answer for every question. It's just like, no,

1:30:24.200 --> 1:30:25.880
<v Speaker 1>this is why, this is why, and like it's not

1:30:25.960 --> 1:30:27.120
<v Speaker 1>until she really.

1:30:28.920 --> 1:30:30.160
<v Speaker 3>Dumb bitch? Was that fun?

1:30:32.080 --> 1:30:34.280
<v Speaker 5>I've got to watch I wish i'd have watched it.

1:30:35.080 --> 1:30:37.640
<v Speaker 3>That should be a meme. It's so funny. You're like,

1:30:37.680 --> 1:30:41.880
<v Speaker 3>what do you know, you dumb bitch? It's so funny.

1:30:42.040 --> 1:30:45.439
<v Speaker 5>I don't remember saying that. Okay, I'm watching it again tonight.

1:30:46.360 --> 1:30:47.599
<v Speaker 3>Well, we love to say that.

1:30:47.920 --> 1:30:50.280
<v Speaker 1>It's one of our favorite phrases on this podcast, for

1:30:50.760 --> 1:30:53.679
<v Speaker 1>Get You, So yeah, we'll call somebody a dumb bitch

1:30:53.680 --> 1:30:54.680
<v Speaker 1>if there, if they deserve it.

1:30:54.720 --> 1:30:58.120
<v Speaker 2>And with network television, you don't always hear swears, so

1:30:58.400 --> 1:31:03.080
<v Speaker 2>it is really still shocking and exciting to hear today.

1:31:03.360 --> 1:31:06.040
<v Speaker 5>Guys, we do hear it, don't we.

1:31:06.040 --> 1:31:12.519
<v Speaker 2>Well on table Well, another moment that was shocking was

1:31:12.520 --> 1:31:14.559
<v Speaker 2>when cal Cutler your husband your.

1:31:14.520 --> 1:31:18.240
<v Speaker 5>Dy Oh you got it. And now that brings back

1:31:18.280 --> 1:31:21.920
<v Speaker 5>a lot that name, that name, what a name, cal.

1:31:21.640 --> 1:31:25.400
<v Speaker 2>Cutler, but also the prosthetics. He looked very scary. Do

1:31:25.439 --> 1:31:27.599
<v Speaker 2>you remember having this act with him?

1:31:28.240 --> 1:31:28.439
<v Speaker 1>Right?

1:31:28.600 --> 1:31:30.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? He had like a melted face.

1:31:30.760 --> 1:31:35.320
<v Speaker 5>I know he had a melted face. I remember I

1:31:35.400 --> 1:31:42.479
<v Speaker 5>was hiding him, wasn't Yes, Yeah, I do remember certain things. Yeah, yeah,

1:31:42.760 --> 1:31:43.840
<v Speaker 5>I'll cut oh man.

1:31:45.400 --> 1:31:45.599
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

1:31:46.360 --> 1:31:50.000
<v Speaker 1>And then there's one point also where they like look

1:31:50.040 --> 1:31:53.320
<v Speaker 1>into your past or whatever and they open up your

1:31:53.320 --> 1:31:55.840
<v Speaker 1>fold or your file and there's like a photo of

1:31:55.880 --> 1:31:58.559
<v Speaker 1>you as a young cop and it's just like beautiful

1:31:58.640 --> 1:32:02.360
<v Speaker 1>Jacqueline Smith's supermodel And I was like, did she give

1:32:02.400 --> 1:32:05.000
<v Speaker 1>them this photo or did they photoshop this from like

1:32:05.120 --> 1:32:07.320
<v Speaker 1>old existing photos of you that you know?

1:32:07.400 --> 1:32:09.400
<v Speaker 5>I do remember that, and I can't remember.

1:32:09.520 --> 1:32:12.160
<v Speaker 3>Oh okay, I just it's such a specific question.

1:32:12.320 --> 1:32:14.200
<v Speaker 5>I don't know if that was an old photo or

1:32:14.280 --> 1:32:18.480
<v Speaker 5>they photoshopped or do you guys know more about.

1:32:18.360 --> 1:32:22.600
<v Speaker 1>Than I do cars that this is our business, but

1:32:22.760 --> 1:32:28.080
<v Speaker 1>I mean I will, yeah, I'm just out of curiosity.

1:32:28.280 --> 1:32:31.200
<v Speaker 5>I do remember, did I turn in a picture and

1:32:31.240 --> 1:32:33.280
<v Speaker 5>they do something? I don't know or maybe.

1:32:33.120 --> 1:32:36.240
<v Speaker 1>I wonder because you it's this beautiful, like mod photo

1:32:36.280 --> 1:32:38.600
<v Speaker 1>of you, and I'm like, this does not look like

1:32:38.640 --> 1:32:38.960
<v Speaker 1>a cop.

1:32:39.000 --> 1:32:40.120
<v Speaker 3>This looks like a supermodel.

1:32:40.160 --> 1:32:43.600
<v Speaker 5>But you know that they can pull those up. I

1:32:43.640 --> 1:32:46.960
<v Speaker 5>mean I get pictures to sign today that I don't

1:32:47.000 --> 1:32:50.720
<v Speaker 5>even know where that picture came from and that I

1:32:50.760 --> 1:32:55.360
<v Speaker 5>haven't even seen. I don't know today on the internet. Yeah,

1:32:55.439 --> 1:32:56.519
<v Speaker 5>everything's possible.

1:32:56.600 --> 1:33:01.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no privacy, right, but also nice little memories I

1:33:01.439 --> 1:33:04.200
<v Speaker 1>saw on your Instagram. People are like sending you old

1:33:04.280 --> 1:33:06.600
<v Speaker 1>videos of you dancing and do it like, you know,

1:33:06.680 --> 1:33:09.520
<v Speaker 1>it's kind of nice that that stuff exists.

1:33:10.080 --> 1:33:13.160
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, some of those are quite you know. The last

1:33:13.160 --> 1:33:15.479
<v Speaker 5>one I didn't even remember. I don't know it was

1:33:16.840 --> 1:33:18.080
<v Speaker 5>mascara or lashes.

1:33:18.439 --> 1:33:18.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

1:33:19.000 --> 1:33:22.840
<v Speaker 5>I wanted me dancing, which I loved because that was

1:33:22.880 --> 1:33:28.920
<v Speaker 5>my beginnings and possibilities that moment in time in New York,

1:33:29.120 --> 1:33:31.519
<v Speaker 5>and I loved every minute of it.

1:33:31.960 --> 1:33:35.320
<v Speaker 2>Dancing being a ballerine in New York is very few

1:33:35.320 --> 1:33:37.160
<v Speaker 2>people get to do that it's very cool.

1:33:37.439 --> 1:33:39.400
<v Speaker 5>Well, I didn't really get to be in the New

1:33:39.479 --> 1:33:43.920
<v Speaker 5>York City ballet guys, but I did study and with

1:33:44.080 --> 1:33:48.080
<v Speaker 5>the best, and I thought I would go home to Houston,

1:33:48.120 --> 1:33:53.479
<v Speaker 5>Texas and open a ballet school and teach. But life

1:33:53.520 --> 1:33:57.799
<v Speaker 5>takes turns and a different career happened for me. And

1:33:57.920 --> 1:34:00.120
<v Speaker 5>I think my parents only let me go to New

1:34:00.240 --> 1:34:02.760
<v Speaker 5>York because they thought, oh, she'll go, she'll get tired

1:34:02.800 --> 1:34:06.519
<v Speaker 5>of it, she'll come back and oops. It was hard

1:34:06.520 --> 1:34:08.640
<v Speaker 5>at first because I was so close to home and

1:34:08.760 --> 1:34:12.639
<v Speaker 5>my family, but I stayed two months, went home and thought,

1:34:12.680 --> 1:34:15.400
<v Speaker 5>you know what, I'm going back, and that's when I

1:34:15.479 --> 1:34:17.439
<v Speaker 5>really started to have a career.

1:34:17.600 --> 1:34:22.880
<v Speaker 1>Wow. I wanted to ask one more quick question because

1:34:22.920 --> 1:34:25.960
<v Speaker 1>you were mentioning zoom and like that different, Like the

1:34:25.960 --> 1:34:28.360
<v Speaker 1>difference between like zoom and putting yourself on tape for

1:34:28.400 --> 1:34:31.040
<v Speaker 1>auditions is just different. Then, because you've been acting since

1:34:31.040 --> 1:34:33.799
<v Speaker 1>the seventies, so you've seen the industry go through these huge,

1:34:33.960 --> 1:34:36.640
<v Speaker 1>huge changes, and I was just wondering, how, like, are

1:34:36.680 --> 1:34:39.719
<v Speaker 1>any other observations of like how it's changed for women

1:34:40.040 --> 1:34:42.360
<v Speaker 1>or just in your experience.

1:34:42.680 --> 1:34:49.800
<v Speaker 5>Well, me too changed everything. I mean I think, yeah,

1:34:49.880 --> 1:34:52.160
<v Speaker 5>I think things are different. That's one thing I think

1:34:52.240 --> 1:34:55.920
<v Speaker 5>is good about Sex and the City. Older you know,

1:34:56.120 --> 1:35:00.479
<v Speaker 5>older actresses going back and you know, reacquainted with a

1:35:00.520 --> 1:35:04.479
<v Speaker 5>different chapter in their life is always an interesting thing.

1:35:04.680 --> 1:35:09.080
<v Speaker 5>But I the industry is different because there's so many options.

1:35:09.120 --> 1:35:14.360
<v Speaker 5>There's cable, there's Yeah, it's totally different than when I start. Totally.

1:35:14.880 --> 1:35:19.960
<v Speaker 5>It's quicker, it's less expensive, the camera work. So yeah,

1:35:19.479 --> 1:35:22.920
<v Speaker 5>I think I was lucky to be on a show

1:35:23.040 --> 1:35:26.679
<v Speaker 5>where they're in spelling and Lynn Goldberg where they didn't

1:35:27.280 --> 1:35:30.400
<v Speaker 5>I mean everything. It was the best camera's, the best lighting,

1:35:30.520 --> 1:35:33.519
<v Speaker 5>the best wardrobe, the best What you see is what

1:35:33.640 --> 1:35:36.880
<v Speaker 5>you get. I mean, you know, it was kind of

1:35:38.560 --> 1:35:41.880
<v Speaker 5>a wonderful time to be in television. Not that today isn't.

1:35:41.920 --> 1:35:45.320
<v Speaker 5>It's just different. It's totally different.

1:35:46.560 --> 1:35:47.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

1:35:47.680 --> 1:35:51.160
<v Speaker 1>Do you have like any projects coming up causes you support,

1:35:51.680 --> 1:35:54.160
<v Speaker 1>anything happening with the Jacqueline Smith line that you want

1:35:54.160 --> 1:35:56.280
<v Speaker 1>to like just shout out to our listeners.

1:35:57.160 --> 1:35:59.360
<v Speaker 5>I have something in the works that I can't talk

1:35:59.400 --> 1:35:59.960
<v Speaker 5>about yet.

1:36:00.080 --> 1:36:00.600
<v Speaker 3>I love that.

1:36:01.720 --> 1:36:05.599
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, And I have a book I'm working on. And

1:36:05.640 --> 1:36:09.280
<v Speaker 5>then I have a skincare line my husband does have

1:36:12.439 --> 1:36:17.400
<v Speaker 5>retin all in it Anti aging gold Standard and then

1:36:17.960 --> 1:36:20.880
<v Speaker 5>I have a wig line. I'm shooting this Sunday, in fact,

1:36:22.320 --> 1:36:24.800
<v Speaker 5>with my daughter. She's coming in to do it with me,

1:36:24.960 --> 1:36:28.080
<v Speaker 5>which gives, you know, two different ages. And these wigs.

1:36:28.080 --> 1:36:31.719
<v Speaker 5>It's for Paula Young and I have a fabric line

1:36:31.760 --> 1:36:36.360
<v Speaker 5>with Fabricut. My line is called Trend because my passion

1:36:36.439 --> 1:36:39.639
<v Speaker 5>is home. It's my favorite place in the whole wide world.

1:36:39.720 --> 1:36:43.280
<v Speaker 5>I love decorating, I love doing houses, and so I

1:36:43.320 --> 1:36:46.719
<v Speaker 5>have this line that's quite you know everything I think

1:36:46.760 --> 1:36:50.880
<v Speaker 5>I've done, the wigs, the fabric, the skincare is affordable.

1:36:51.400 --> 1:36:57.720
<v Speaker 5>My customer counts on value for me, and I think

1:36:57.800 --> 1:37:00.479
<v Speaker 5>we've worked at where you know, certainly my skin cares

1:37:00.520 --> 1:37:05.920
<v Speaker 5>online and we can lower the price. This new thing

1:37:05.920 --> 1:37:08.120
<v Speaker 5>I haven't in the works. We will be reaching out

1:37:08.160 --> 1:37:11.400
<v Speaker 5>to stores. I just can't talk about it yet until

1:37:11.600 --> 1:37:11.840
<v Speaker 5>you know.

1:37:12.320 --> 1:37:13.560
<v Speaker 3>We love secrets.

1:37:13.920 --> 1:37:19.760
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, secrets are good. Anticipation is good. But the

1:37:19.800 --> 1:37:23.519
<v Speaker 5>skincares my my husband, being a pediatric heart surgeon and doctor,

1:37:24.000 --> 1:37:26.800
<v Speaker 5>he developed it with things I have used on my

1:37:26.960 --> 1:37:30.799
<v Speaker 5>skin for you know, fifty years long.

1:37:31.200 --> 1:37:35.680
<v Speaker 3>Working and well, thank you. I know we were going

1:37:35.760 --> 1:37:37.840
<v Speaker 3>to wrap up, but I'm curious how you and your

1:37:37.920 --> 1:37:38.799
<v Speaker 3>husband met.

1:37:39.439 --> 1:37:44.760
<v Speaker 5>We met in Cla. He operated on my dad, who

1:37:44.840 --> 1:37:49.200
<v Speaker 5>was here for my son's birthday. Dady got sick and

1:37:49.320 --> 1:37:51.920
<v Speaker 5>he was in the hospital and Brad was one of

1:37:51.960 --> 1:37:57.240
<v Speaker 5>the surgeons. He did a quordrouple bypass and so there

1:37:57.280 --> 1:38:02.519
<v Speaker 5>he was and whoa. I didn't think anything was going

1:38:02.600 --> 1:38:04.960
<v Speaker 5>to go in the direction it went, but.

1:38:07.000 --> 1:38:07.360
<v Speaker 3>It did.

1:38:08.200 --> 1:38:10.960
<v Speaker 5>And he was very kind to my parents, and he's

1:38:11.439 --> 1:38:13.400
<v Speaker 5>my mother never wanted me to walk down to the

1:38:13.400 --> 1:38:16.480
<v Speaker 5>garage by myself. He said, I'll walk her down and

1:38:16.520 --> 1:38:18.400
<v Speaker 5>he did, and he said, can I take you to dinner?

1:38:18.600 --> 1:38:25.680
<v Speaker 5>And that was it. It was very different. He was

1:38:25.720 --> 1:38:29.760
<v Speaker 5>not a Hollywood height and he was very unfettered and

1:38:30.360 --> 1:38:34.920
<v Speaker 5>different than anybody I'd ever known, still is still is

1:38:35.360 --> 1:38:36.599
<v Speaker 5>many many years later.

1:38:37.040 --> 1:38:37.679
<v Speaker 3>That's great.

1:38:37.760 --> 1:38:39.960
<v Speaker 5>It's been a great step dad to my children. So

1:38:40.960 --> 1:38:42.800
<v Speaker 5>you know, that's the best gift he could get me.

1:38:43.080 --> 1:38:43.840
<v Speaker 3>That's amazing.

1:38:44.880 --> 1:38:48.160
<v Speaker 1>Well, you know, we do have a we do have

1:38:48.200 --> 1:38:51.000
<v Speaker 1>a casting person from SVU who listens to our podcast.

1:38:51.000 --> 1:38:54.320
<v Speaker 1>So I would love to know if you were invited back,

1:38:54.560 --> 1:38:55.840
<v Speaker 1>would you be open to going back on.

1:38:55.840 --> 1:38:58.080
<v Speaker 5>Us for you? Absolutely?

1:38:58.080 --> 1:38:58.439
<v Speaker 1>All right?

1:38:58.479 --> 1:39:00.920
<v Speaker 5>Good to how to write me great part?

1:39:01.080 --> 1:39:01.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

1:39:01.320 --> 1:39:05.040
<v Speaker 5>Okay, yeah, I love the show. So yeah, I'm a fan.

1:39:05.320 --> 1:39:07.439
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, because I think you could really play like

1:39:07.520 --> 1:39:09.160
<v Speaker 1>a rich lady with a secret.

1:39:10.200 --> 1:39:15.960
<v Speaker 5>Okay, I'm for it. Yeah, more works, better keeps you young,

1:39:16.120 --> 1:39:17.200
<v Speaker 5>Work keeps you young.

1:39:20.920 --> 1:39:23.400
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god. I love Jacqueline Smith. Can she be

1:39:23.479 --> 1:39:23.840
<v Speaker 3>my mom?

1:39:24.200 --> 1:39:27.120
<v Speaker 1>She's her little husband puttering around and correcting her and

1:39:27.120 --> 1:39:29.639
<v Speaker 1>giving her little tidbits about her own career.

1:39:30.040 --> 1:39:30.639
<v Speaker 3>So cute.

1:39:31.760 --> 1:39:33.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I can't believe we got to talk to her.

1:39:33.640 --> 1:39:35.559
<v Speaker 2>It's really like, what the fuck?

1:39:35.880 --> 1:39:38.599
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? So one of Neil Bear's ladies.

1:39:38.800 --> 1:39:41.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, we got one of the Neil Bear angels.

1:39:41.960 --> 1:39:45.040
<v Speaker 1>Uh and legit a Charlie's Angel, but it's an icon.

1:39:45.320 --> 1:39:48.360
<v Speaker 2>There's some people Sometimes I sit back and I'm like, damn,

1:39:48.400 --> 1:39:49.000
<v Speaker 2>what the fuck?

1:39:49.320 --> 1:39:51.960
<v Speaker 3>Just like Jacqueline Smith and lou Diamond Phillips. Who are

1:39:52.000 --> 1:39:56.439
<v Speaker 3>we Tom's Scaret on Zoom?

1:39:56.560 --> 1:39:59.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. It's like the number of people that I just

1:39:59.080 --> 1:40:01.559
<v Speaker 1>grew up watching that we've talked to is pretty wild.

1:40:01.640 --> 1:40:04.320
<v Speaker 1>But people, they don't I don't think they ever anyone

1:40:04.360 --> 1:40:07.920
<v Speaker 1>means it insulting. I think they're genuinely curious. But I

1:40:07.960 --> 1:40:10.519
<v Speaker 1>love when people go, yeah, how'd you get them? I'm

1:40:10.520 --> 1:40:18.320
<v Speaker 1>shocked that I saw them on Okay, Joel Kim. It

1:40:18.400 --> 1:40:19.680
<v Speaker 1>was about Dennis o' harry goes.

1:40:19.720 --> 1:40:21.760
<v Speaker 2>Honestly, I was really shocked to see that he did it,

1:40:21.800 --> 1:40:24.160
<v Speaker 2>and I was like, Dennis O'Hair.

1:40:24.080 --> 1:40:27.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's like, adjust your expectations of us, JKB, we're

1:40:27.280 --> 1:40:31.960
<v Speaker 1>getting people anyway. Post mortem on this episode, I don't know.

1:40:32.000 --> 1:40:33.880
<v Speaker 1>I can't say we learned a lot of lessons, Like

1:40:33.920 --> 1:40:36.200
<v Speaker 1>this fucking episode is one of the wildest things in

1:40:36.240 --> 1:40:40.080
<v Speaker 1>the world, like the love triangles, the hiding a man

1:40:40.120 --> 1:40:42.080
<v Speaker 1>with a melted face. I can't say that there's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of real world translation, but the killer guy being

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<v Speaker 1>right in plain sight as like a sick dandrophy murderer

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<v Speaker 1>was pretty scary.

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<v Speaker 2>My favorite is Anne Margaret being the killer eight times,

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<v Speaker 2>but not like it was like I did it, but

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<v Speaker 2>this it's like she gave us a performance of a life.

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<v Speaker 5>Well.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we learned that sometimes being a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>crazy pays off, Like because she fucking kept those bloody sheets,

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<v Speaker 1>that was a good like everything was her alibi because

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<v Speaker 1>she was such a nut, like.

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<v Speaker 3>She loved him.

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<v Speaker 2>I loved the cutaways where it was like we talked

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<v Speaker 2>about this obviously, but where it was like it was

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<v Speaker 2>a mistake. It was a mistake. It was a mistake,

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<v Speaker 2>and then her going I fucking loved it and I

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<v Speaker 2>would do.

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<v Speaker 3>It like I'll see.

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<v Speaker 1>I loved how jacque Line Smith told us that that's

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<v Speaker 1>the part she was going for, and I think she

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<v Speaker 1>probably could have done excellent with it, but like it

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<v Speaker 1>really ended up perfect. The casting, like her as the

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<v Speaker 1>what do you know about it, you bitch? Like I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the best moments of all time on SVU,

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<v Speaker 1>just her calling the Queen Benson a bitch.

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<v Speaker 2>And in terms of the real life case, for me,

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<v Speaker 2>the biggest takeaway is like nothing is real and I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know what's right or wrong or what happens, Like

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<v Speaker 2>that guy spent sixteen years in prison. Was it a

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<v Speaker 2>false thing? Did he attack his wife? We don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe he was an abuser but not a murderer, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, It's just like how things are not always so oh.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to say.

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<v Speaker 2>So, I was asked to go into jury duty recently,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's in Illinois, so I couldn't. So I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to send in documents. I got a switch. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that I still have an Illinois license. I

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<v Speaker 2>have not lived in Illinois for eight years.

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<v Speaker 3>I would.

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<v Speaker 2>I just refuse. I don't know, it's just listen, regular

1:42:30.320 --> 1:42:34.560
<v Speaker 2>tasks stress me out. But so I wrote them, I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, I would obviously like to do my service,

1:42:36.720 --> 1:42:38.320
<v Speaker 2>but I'm I'm actually going to be out of town

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<v Speaker 2>for work and this and that and I live here.

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<v Speaker 2>Responded within a day, going yep, you're relieved, we'll hit

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<v Speaker 2>you back in eleven weeks.

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<v Speaker 3>Send us this paper.

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<v Speaker 2>Work, like you hear so much shit about jury duty

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<v Speaker 2>and the government, and I was like, this is the

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<v Speaker 2>best customer service I've ever had, which.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, I'm surprised you were able.

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<v Speaker 1>That might be a COVID thing that you were able

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<v Speaker 1>to email, because usually you have to like show up

1:42:57.439 --> 1:42:59.439
<v Speaker 1>and say I can't do it, and then that's the

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<v Speaker 1>pain in the end with jury duty.

1:43:01.520 --> 1:43:04.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, maybe, I mean, hopefully things will change and they don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Won't go back to psycho that.

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<v Speaker 1>I just had it in LA I just had it

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<v Speaker 1>like a few months ago. But it was like, because

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<v Speaker 1>of COVID, everything's online, so you show up every day,

1:43:14.920 --> 1:43:17.080
<v Speaker 1>you check in at a certain time, and then it

1:43:17.120 --> 1:43:19.200
<v Speaker 1>goes you don't you don't have to do anything, and

1:43:19.240 --> 1:43:20.640
<v Speaker 1>then you check in the next day. You do that

1:43:20.680 --> 1:43:22.280
<v Speaker 1>for a full week and every day it just said

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<v Speaker 1>you don't have to do anything, and then that's it.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess I just did my jury duty like service,

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<v Speaker 3>but no, I want a me too.

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<v Speaker 2>I just need to become a California resident, I think

1:43:32.280 --> 1:43:34.439
<v Speaker 2>so then I can maybe do jury duty here while

1:43:34.479 --> 1:43:34.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm here.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know I have I don't know what to do.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I do think you should get a California license. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>if you get pulled over, tell them you just moved here.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, telling you.

1:43:43.920 --> 1:43:46.160
<v Speaker 1>I stupidly said, oh, I've been here six months, and

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<v Speaker 1>they were like, you're going to court.

1:43:48.000 --> 1:43:50.000
<v Speaker 2>I would say, I don't even live here. I'm gonna

1:43:50.040 --> 1:43:52.559
<v Speaker 2>be like, I stay at a I swap with a friend.

1:43:52.640 --> 1:43:54.600
<v Speaker 2>Get away from me. No, look, your name is on

1:43:54.640 --> 1:43:56.880
<v Speaker 2>the registration of your car. They're not totally any oh

1:43:56.960 --> 1:43:57.360
<v Speaker 2>is it.

1:44:00.000 --> 1:44:00.479
<v Speaker 3>Anyway?

1:44:00.960 --> 1:44:04.080
<v Speaker 1>Let's this was a great episode. I'm so happy we

1:44:04.120 --> 1:44:05.360
<v Speaker 1>did it. It's psychotic.

1:44:05.880 --> 1:44:08.560
<v Speaker 3>But let's get into what would Sister Peg do? Psychotic,

1:44:09.080 --> 1:44:14.759
<v Speaker 3>iconic or what would Sister Peg do? This week?

1:44:15.040 --> 1:44:17.360
<v Speaker 1>Which is our weekly segment where we give you guys

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<v Speaker 1>some information or an organization, a book, an article, something

1:44:21.040 --> 1:44:22.559
<v Speaker 1>to give you more info about what we talked about

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<v Speaker 1>in today's episode. Listen today's episode. I didn't really see

1:44:26.120 --> 1:44:28.040
<v Speaker 1>a lot of real world application to it. It's like

1:44:28.080 --> 1:44:33.559
<v Speaker 1>a full crazy commercial man who's got seven girlfriends and

1:44:33.600 --> 1:44:35.720
<v Speaker 1>then someone's keeping a melted man in her apartment. It

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<v Speaker 1>just didn't really like nothing jumped out to me as

1:44:37.880 --> 1:44:41.559
<v Speaker 1>something that would like be like pro victim. But I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to shout out today an organization that connects to

1:44:44.680 --> 1:44:47.679
<v Speaker 1>Melissa Lucio, who I talked about at the beginning of

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<v Speaker 1>the episode. We've already mentioned her Whole Truth, which is

1:44:52.160 --> 1:44:54.799
<v Speaker 1>an instagram. They're doing a lot for it to help Melissa,

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<v Speaker 1>so you can check that out. Hopefully you follow them already.

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<v Speaker 1>But this organization was sent to me by A and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so sorry I forgot to save your message. I

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<v Speaker 1>just saved the organization that you sent me, so I

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<v Speaker 1>can't shout you out, but thank you for sending this

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<v Speaker 1>to me. So this organization is called Advancing Real Change.

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<v Speaker 1>It's www. Dot advance change dot org and they're in

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<v Speaker 1>an organization of mitigation specialists that help decision makers see

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<v Speaker 1>a fuller, more nuanced picture of every person facing incarcerations.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's their background.

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<v Speaker 1>Abuse they've experienced, you know, like childhood trauma, trauma as

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<v Speaker 1>an adult. It just paints a bigger picture and not

1:45:31.720 --> 1:45:34.200
<v Speaker 1>just like this is a criminal and more, this is

1:45:34.200 --> 1:45:37.720
<v Speaker 1>a person that could use rehabilitation and help. So as

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<v Speaker 1>a result, they enable more just outcomes that take the

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<v Speaker 1>whole person into account. So if you want to support

1:45:42.720 --> 1:45:45.120
<v Speaker 1>them or even work for them, they have employment and

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<v Speaker 1>internship opportunities on their website. They also have a bunch

1:45:47.479 --> 1:45:51.400
<v Speaker 1>of workshops and trainings listed. Please check them out at

1:45:51.439 --> 1:45:54.640
<v Speaker 1>advance change dot org. And again, these are always on

1:45:54.680 --> 1:45:58.920
<v Speaker 1>our Instagram and in our Instagram highlight called WWSPD. Thank

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<v Speaker 1>you so much for that Karay, what a terrible time

1:46:01.680 --> 1:46:03.400
<v Speaker 1>and hopefully she will not be murdered.

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<v Speaker 3>Now moving on to next week's news next week, we

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<v Speaker 3>will be next week. This is a PSA.

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<v Speaker 2>You gotta get eight hours of sleep, okay, so we

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<v Speaker 2>will be watching Chasing Demons for next week's episode. That's

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<v Speaker 2>season nineteen, episode fourteen. Please watch along with us or not,

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<v Speaker 2>and we will see you next week.

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