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Speaker 2: It is Wednesday, June seventh, twenty twenty three, Season nineteen,
Speaker 2: episode number ten. Welcome to the latest edition of The Break.
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Speaker 5: I do want to say.
Speaker 2: And this is just because I was talking to Amber,
Speaker 2: like today is the day I give a big presentation
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Speaker 10: Podcast you guys have ever created, right.
Speaker 2: No, actually, actually the first one was a night it
Speaker 2: was Talking Cowboys, but it was Nick and Mickey, and
Speaker 2: then Nick walked off the show because he didn't feel
Speaker 2: like he was getting enough airtime, literally walked off the
Speaker 2: show in the middle of the show. And when we said, well,
Speaker 2: maybe we need to start a new podcast with.
Speaker 11: Six thirty eight, we started at six thirty Mickey went
Speaker 11: for eight minutes talking think about this really two people's
Speaker 11: on the show and one guy starts it off for.
Speaker 5: Eight minutes without even mentioning, and Chris.
Speaker 11: Bean, I think, was running it on the other side.
Speaker 11: I was just walked off. I was like, you know,
Speaker 11: and I think I came back later. I don't remember exactly.
Speaker 8: But I mean, what are you gonna do? Eight minutes?
Speaker 8: Come on?
Speaker 11: You got you know, patients and me doesn't work together,
Speaker 11: and that that is a long time for a show.
Speaker 2: You guys out there might not know Nick personally, I'm
Speaker 2: guessing from being on the air listening to him you
Speaker 2: probably get the sense. And I will tell you for
Speaker 2: a fact, it is true that that is so on
Speaker 2: brand for him. Like literally eight minutes he was just like,
Speaker 2: I'm not needed here, take a walk out. You got
Speaker 2: to remember that is I know, after minute in he'd
Speaker 2: probably be.
Speaker 9: Like, I'm I have done a segment on radio where
Speaker 9: a guy worked with talked for eighteen minutes straight, Oh
Speaker 9: eighteen minutes?
Speaker 5: Who's the host? Why didn't host shut that down?
Speaker 9: It was the hard question, and it was when we
Speaker 9: were all doing radio and we didn't have sports and
Speaker 9: stuff like that, and it's tough, you know that, that's
Speaker 9: the Yeah, that was a tough I hope we never
Speaker 9: go back to. I hope all our social issues and
Speaker 9: so I know they're not all going to go away,
Speaker 9: but there were there were times where man, we were
Speaker 9: all going after each other here and that I just man,
Speaker 9: that was one of those uncomfortable times of doing not
Speaker 9: just that time, but just doing radio in general. I'm
Speaker 9: so grateful again for the fans that can listen to
Speaker 9: our sports commentary, because that's what we do best. Everything
Speaker 9: else we're just kind of like probably over our heads,
Speaker 9: you know.
Speaker 8: And me and Mickey are fine, there's no issues.
Speaker 9: I was always wondered why Derek said, listen, you and
Speaker 9: Micky ever want to do the show.
Speaker 3: Mickey and I we go out each other. I have
Speaker 3: a lot of respect for Mickey, no doubt.
Speaker 9: I don't always agree with Mickey, but man, I'll tell
Speaker 9: you what, he will not back down, you know, he.
Speaker 3: He doesn't.
Speaker 9: I mean one time, like I say, we went on
Speaker 9: a break and there was he was m F and me,
Speaker 9: and I was m F and him, and.
Speaker 10: We came were dying to know all the insight on
Speaker 10: that this plastic we're gonna go to break.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I was sitting right where Amber was and he was
Speaker 3: there and Rob Phillips, Rob probably Rob Phillips said guys, guys.
Speaker 3: And I looked at Rob and I said, you shut
Speaker 3: the f up?
Speaker 5: And Rob, Rob goes. Rob did this.
Speaker 3: He did the he did our.
Speaker 9: Our thing where he just threw his hands up and
Speaker 9: said okay, okay. And to Mickey's credit, when we went back,
Speaker 9: when Beams says coming back and we both went back.
Speaker 5: Into the show.
Speaker 9: But yeah, you know, Mickey, he's a battler man. I
Speaker 9: mean he and I.
Speaker 3: Like I said, I I have a lot of respect
Speaker 3: for him.
Speaker 9: We just don't like each other and we really don't.
Speaker 9: But I respect the man.
Speaker 8: We were going.
Speaker 3: Well, I think it's important. You know, people know, people know.
Speaker 3: I mean, they see me and Mickey and they Mickey's
Speaker 3: nice to me.
Speaker 9: He says hello, I say hello back. I mean, but
Speaker 9: he ain't taken me to go eat pizza.
Speaker 12: You know.
Speaker 9: It's okay. Man, I respect him, man, I really do,
Speaker 9: because he will fight your ass.
Speaker 3: He will fight you.
Speaker 2: He definitely will. All right, let's jump in. We've got
Speaker 2: so many topics we're trying to hit today. As I said,
Speaker 2: this is our final show before we head to a
Speaker 2: little break, so we're going to continue. We have to
Speaker 2: finish up our twenty twenty three offseason review today. We're
Speaker 2: going to focus in on the secondary and the defensive line.
Speaker 2: Before we get to that, though, there were some news
Speaker 2: and notes that came out of the mini camp that's
Speaker 2: happening right now that I wanted to hit up on,
Speaker 2: give me an injury up day first, Nick on Tony
Speaker 2: Pollard and Jordan Lewis, what do we know about them
Speaker 2: right now?
Speaker 11: Well, Tony Pollard, you know, there's been no setback there.
Speaker 11: This is just a guy that's going off of coming
Speaker 11: off of a couple of injuries from obviously from the
Speaker 11: playoff game, and so he's going to continue to work
Speaker 11: with you know, Britt Brown on the side. They sprinkle
Speaker 11: him in with some of the team stuff because you
Speaker 11: got to remember this is installation as well, so and
Speaker 11: this is somewhat of a new offense. So yes, he's
Speaker 11: gonna you know, he's not gonna be left behind. But
Speaker 11: at the same time, they're just being smart with how
Speaker 11: how they use him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what you know. To me.
Speaker 9: The history here though, with the injuries and stuff like that,
Speaker 9: we've we've always learned this at OTA's mini camps.
Speaker 3: It was you know, if you could see.
Speaker 9: Guys on cords working, you kind of had an idea
Speaker 9: that Okay, now let's see what happens at training camp.
Speaker 9: I think that's really the most important thing, The fact
Speaker 9: that he when one of the first practices that we
Speaker 9: got to watch a couple of weeks ago that he
Speaker 9: was actually, as Nick mentioned, sprinkled in.
Speaker 3: That was very encouraging to me. I'm like, oh, they're
Speaker 3: not holding him back right now.
Speaker 9: So hey, as long as when we get to ox Snart,
Speaker 9: as long as all those guys are on the field
Speaker 9: stretching in practice, and I think that's the most important
Speaker 9: thing right now. But guys are coming off some some
Speaker 9: pretty serious injuries, but it looks like they're going in
Speaker 9: the right direction as far as getting them back out
Speaker 9: there and getting them ready to go.
Speaker 5: Jordan willis.
Speaker 8: Gonna be on PUP.
Speaker 11: And it's interesting when you interview or talk to the
Speaker 11: player and then you talk to other people. The player
Speaker 11: always is like I'm good, I'm good. I hate right
Speaker 11: now and then but but so he's gonna go on
Speaker 11: PUP and what that means physically unable to.
Speaker 10: Perform funny or vice versa, because you get some of
Speaker 10: the training trainers be like that person is good, and
Speaker 10: then the players like already yeah.
Speaker 11: So yeah, yeah. It goes both ways for sure. But
Speaker 11: starting on PUP, which is when they'll do it on
Speaker 11: the first day of training camp. Uh, they'll they'll designate him.
Speaker 11: That's when you have to do it. He can come
Speaker 11: off of it at any time during camp. Uh, he
Speaker 11: still counts to the ninety man roster, and but you
Speaker 11: have to put them there. So then when you get
Speaker 11: to the end of training camp start of the regular season,
Speaker 11: if they want to move him to reserve pup, that
Speaker 11: will be that will remove him for four games. So
Speaker 11: and and there's no coming off of that till four games.
Speaker 11: So you know, that's the decision that they made with
Speaker 11: Gallup last year. If you remember, Gallup was went to pup,
Speaker 11: was stayed on it all year all I mean, I'm sorry,
Speaker 11: all of camp and then they took him off even
Speaker 11: though he wasn't ready to play until I think the
Speaker 11: third or fourth game, fourth game, fourth game, right, So
Speaker 11: you know, they they could have probably left him on there.
Speaker 11: It's just the decision that they have to make. But
Speaker 11: what that means to me is that Jordan Lewis is
Speaker 11: not ready to play anytime soon because they know going
Speaker 11: into training camp he won't be there.
Speaker 9: Yeah, that's and and something new for us is also
Speaker 9: the rosters will stay intact for all through training camp,
Speaker 9: so there's no cut down until the very end.
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, so that's eighty nine.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, they're gonna play this scene.
Speaker 9: They got the three pres three preseason games that are
Speaker 9: going to carry this roster through, so a lot of
Speaker 9: these guys will get the opportunity and then we'll have
Speaker 9: one final cut. You know, you're absolutely right. A great
Speaker 9: description of how the pup system works here.
Speaker 5: All right, let's move on.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about a little bit of news that came
Speaker 2: from Stephen Jones earlier this week.
Speaker 5: He says he was.
Speaker 3: Two squast game.
Speaker 2: No, I'm excited about that now, I'm sure you are.
Speaker 2: I'm very, very excited. It's gonna be right here in Dallas.
Speaker 5: You don't have to travel.
Speaker 2: But Steven was talking about the extensions that are coming
Speaker 2: up and there are a lot of players and to
Speaker 2: me an inordinately large number of players speaking to how
Speaker 2: well they've drafted that will be coming up here due
Speaker 2: for some really big contracts over the next couple of years.
Speaker 2: He says that he's really seeking more than one extension
Speaker 2: before camp, so he's really putting out there he wants
Speaker 2: to get this done. Obviously, some of the players, according
Speaker 2: to him, may not be in as much of a hurry.
Speaker 2: My question for you have two questions. One is which
Speaker 2: one do you think is most likely to get done?
Speaker 5: And which one do you.
Speaker 2: Think is the most challenging to get done? And I'm
Speaker 2: talking about Lamb, Digs, Dax Steele. You name any one
Speaker 2: of those, any others you might want to throw in,
Speaker 2: But what do you think is the most likely to
Speaker 2: get done?
Speaker 5: What do you think is most challenging to get done?
Speaker 8: The most challenging I bet we could say together is Digs.
Speaker 8: I mean that's.
Speaker 11: Because okay, he he's gonna get paid.
Speaker 8: He want to be paid as the highest paid corner
Speaker 8: in the league.
Speaker 11: And if you look at the money and you look
Speaker 11: at the guys, know that's it's the guy.
Speaker 5: From Green Bay, Zaire Alexander.
Speaker 11: Alexander, and I believe Denzel Ward. I think those are
Speaker 11: the top two corners.
Speaker 3: Well, well, Ramsey's still up there.
Speaker 11: I think those are the three that are twenty north
Speaker 11: if you get a new deal with Miami.
Speaker 8: Yeah he did well.
Speaker 9: I think they moved around money is what they did.
Speaker 9: But at one time he was one of the guys that.
Speaker 11: Those three are the ones north of twenty million a year. Well,
Speaker 11: there's nothing that tray Von Diggs has done that suggests
Speaker 11: that he shouldn't be in that group, So why not.
Speaker 11: He also has a brother in the league that that's
Speaker 11: been through this kind of stuff, and I'm sure that
Speaker 11: he It's just he's not gonna make it easy, nor
Speaker 11: should he, And I think that was just gonna be
Speaker 11: a little bit of a challenge to get to to
Speaker 11: get both sides done there, and that's the one where
Speaker 11: the deadline is probably a little bit more pressing because
Speaker 11: he's the longer this goes to this year. I mean,
Speaker 11: what if he has three, four or five interceptions early
Speaker 11: in the year, then it's like the price tag is
Speaker 11: going to keep going out right.
Speaker 10: And right now. I mean, despite what he has done,
Speaker 10: and I think he's a very talented player and he's
Speaker 10: contributed a lot on the team, but there's also a
Speaker 10: lot of criticism that came out from last year and
Speaker 10: kind of the level or his lack of maybe not
Speaker 10: tackling properly or as much as he should or how
Speaker 10: he should. So I think that plays into the Cowboys
Speaker 10: advantage maybe, But we know that Trevon Diggs, he has
Speaker 10: that kind of personality where he's confident of what about
Speaker 10: what he can bring to the table. So it'll be
Speaker 10: interesting to see how that plays out.
Speaker 9: Yeah, if you look at the numbers, like Nick was
Speaker 9: talking about, jyr Alexander's over twenty one million a year,
Speaker 9: Denzel Ward is at twenty million a year, rams He's
Speaker 9: still at twenty million a year, Marlon Humphrey at nineteen million,
Speaker 9: Marshawn Lattimore at nineteen million, and Exaviant Howard from the
Speaker 9: Dolphins at eighteen million. So that's kind of the that's
Speaker 9: where your starting point right here.
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's what I wouldn't think if the agent, that's
Speaker 8: what I would do.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 9: The thing about it is that you know, he he
Speaker 9: and you don't have that fifth year option to play
Speaker 9: with here, you can play with the tag.
Speaker 3: I don't know what the new tag numbers are for corners.
Speaker 9: You know that's obviously going to go up, especially with
Speaker 9: everybody the top guys making you know, north of eighteen
Speaker 9: million dollars. So yeah, this could be a This is
Speaker 9: going to be a tough one. The one I think
Speaker 9: that gets done is Dak. I think that's the one
Speaker 9: that gets done because I think that and this is
Speaker 9: just me, guys, I ain't talking to anybody in the organization.
Speaker 9: I'm just this is my I think the way we've
Speaker 9: seen how Todd Frantz wants to negotiate, he wants to
Speaker 9: keep the contract short so he can get his guy
Speaker 9: back to the table in a short amount of time.
Speaker 9: So you know, I would anticipate maybe you know, three
Speaker 9: years something like that sometimes hype of an extension, get
Speaker 9: his guy back to the table pretty quickly if he can.
Speaker 3: As the as the contracts continue to go up, that's
Speaker 3: the one.
Speaker 9: I think the Cowboys have to take care first, because
Speaker 9: that's the massive cap hit that they're looking at right now.
Speaker 3: But Todd Franz is not a fun guy to deal with.
Speaker 9: He fights tooth and nail for his guys, and rightfully,
Speaker 9: so you know, the Cowboys understand that they've done this before,
Speaker 9: They've been through this dance. I think the Dak one
Speaker 9: will be the one they wanted to work on. Diggs
Speaker 9: would probably be the next one, and they've got a
Speaker 9: little time for CD. But I wish they could have
Speaker 9: had a way where they could have staggered these contracts
Speaker 9: a little more.
Speaker 3: It seems like they're all hitting on the books, and
Speaker 3: that's what you do when you draft really well, yeah,
Speaker 3: these contracts hit all at the same time, and that
Speaker 3: makes it a little bit difficult. But Adam and those
Speaker 3: guys are good at doing this.
Speaker 11: And as soon as you get those guys done, those
Speaker 11: three and you're like, here comes trying to put your
Speaker 11: feet up, Here comes the lion.
Speaker 8: Yeah, and that's gonna be I.
Speaker 3: Mean, they know that.
Speaker 9: And it's funny because you're thinking about where would you
Speaker 9: where would you play Parsons? Is he an edge or
Speaker 9: is he a linebacker? And you start to think about
Speaker 9: the money.
Speaker 8: His agent's gonna be like, oh, he's an age.
Speaker 9: Well yeah, you ask people in the organization you know
Speaker 9: that that I know, and it's like they know, they don't.
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter. You pay the guy that's that well, it's.
Speaker 2: Hard to say when you got a guy that's that's
Speaker 2: a defensive Player of the Year candidate.
Speaker 5: Legitimately, yes, almost every year. He's been every year. So
Speaker 5: so you know, you.
Speaker 8: Just got to pay that rights. They players in the league,
Speaker 8: and he should be.
Speaker 9: That's exactly there. They they it's not like it's there's
Speaker 9: any question. It's like they know what they're up against
Speaker 9: right now, and in a good way that it's great
Speaker 9: to have players that are great. It's better than the
Speaker 9: pay players that aren't great, which a lot of teams
Speaker 9: have gone through to their Their.
Speaker 2: Question is just how do you move money around for him?
Speaker 2: Like how do you how do you make that all
Speaker 2: work with your salary?
Speaker 9: That's that's really that's what the quarterbacks to come in
Speaker 9: kind of we got to get the quarterback done.
Speaker 10: Yeah, well, see, to me, I would think CD sounds
Speaker 10: like a pretty given thing that you would make because
Speaker 10: you don't. You currently don't have anyone who would be
Speaker 10: his quote unquote successor, Like who's going to take up
Speaker 10: the role? You don't and you just made him your
Speaker 10: number one receiver just last year. So I would imagine
Speaker 10: that's a pretty I don't know on his end and
Speaker 10: his camp what they're trying to do. Obviously, you try
Speaker 10: to get the best money, the best amount of money possible,
Speaker 10: But I think for the Cowboys, I don't I mean,
Speaker 10: I don't see any how would why do you extend
Speaker 10: that as far as like timing and getting that done.
Speaker 9: If I give you Terry mcclurin from the Washington Commanders
Speaker 9: as the benchmark.
Speaker 5: He's farther down the list though, right as far as
Speaker 5: like he's.
Speaker 3: I'm giving you a starting point. Yeah, twenty three million
Speaker 3: dollars year year. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And I want to say, Lauren, I want to say
Speaker 2: he's like fifth or six in the league.
Speaker 9: Actually it's it's Tarik Hill at thirty, Davante Adams at
Speaker 9: twenty eight, Cooper Cup at twenty six, seven, AJ Brown
Speaker 9: at twenty five, Stefan Diggs at twenty four, dj dk
Speaker 9: metcalf at twenty four, Deebo Samuel at twenty three to eight,
Speaker 9: and now you have Terry McLaurin at twenty three.
Speaker 5: I think you're going to have him up there.
Speaker 2: I honestly think he's gonna be. He's going to be
Speaker 2: starting that twenty six twenty seven. That's where he is,
Speaker 2: somewhere between.
Speaker 9: He's somewhere between Cooper Cup, AJ Brown and Diggs somewhere
Speaker 9: in that and.
Speaker 5: That exactly right.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And by the way, it's hard to argue that he's
Speaker 2: not worthy, because as we talked about last week, he is.
Speaker 5: He is a legitimate top five receiver in the NFL.
Speaker 11: I mean, McLaren's got like three catches against the Cowboys
Speaker 11: in like two years. Yeah, I mean like, I mean
Speaker 11: that we've seen him, and that's that kind of goes.
Speaker 9: That's a third round pick though right there too. Mclauren, Yeah,
Speaker 9: he didn't make any money. He very similar to what
Speaker 9: Dak Dak's situation was, where he was drafted like third
Speaker 9: round and then all of a sudden, he went all
Speaker 9: those years of playing on low, low salaries and now
Speaker 9: he's like, either you pay me or I'm going to
Speaker 9: walk out of here.
Speaker 11: And they're like, oh, well, McLaren, he's tough, and I
Speaker 11: know they doesn't have a quarterback situation like they want there,
Speaker 11: but he's one of those.
Speaker 8: Guys that averages about seventy or eighty yards a game and.
Speaker 3: Christian Kirk Christian Kirk and actually got eighteen million a year. Yeah,
Speaker 3: think about that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I would say this.
Speaker 2: If McLaren had better quarterback situation in it throughout his career,
Speaker 2: I think he'd be every bit. He'd be talked about
Speaker 2: every bit as much as those top five or series
Speaker 2: in the NFL. He has that kind of ability to
Speaker 2: do what he's done with the quarterbacks he has, I
Speaker 2: think says a lot.
Speaker 11: I haven't looked at the CD's contract that close, but
Speaker 11: it jumps from like I want to say like six
Speaker 11: million this year to seventeen.
Speaker 9: Yeah, because he got the year, Yeah, the tag, so
Speaker 9: not to tag the year fifth year.
Speaker 11: He plays on that. It's all I mean, they're already
Speaker 11: kind of factoring that in right now. I mean, Digs's
Speaker 11: jump is going to be mass.
Speaker 9: You're your first really seventeen million dollar player is Mike
Speaker 9: Evans at sixteen to five, and then Tyler Lockett is
Speaker 9: at seventeen to three, and then now we got Kirk
Speaker 9: and guys like that.
Speaker 8: You're right there, he's twenty six, twenty seven.
Speaker 2: That's where it's going to start, I would assume for
Speaker 2: his eight. If it's not starting higher than that, yeah,
Speaker 2: And so then it's going to be a negotiating back.
Speaker 2: And so that's the tough part. It's hard to argue
Speaker 2: that any of these guys we mentioned shouldn't get a deal,
Speaker 2: and it shouldn't be in the range of those top players.
Speaker 5: It's just a matter of how does Dallas where do.
Speaker 2: They fit in that top range, and how do you
Speaker 2: structure the contract so that when they all hit you're
Speaker 2: not just completely in cap hell.
Speaker 9: Yeah, which this might be an unfair question. Which of
Speaker 9: the groups that I just went through the wide receiver
Speaker 9: numbers or the cornerback numbers were the most shocking, and
Speaker 9: I mean.
Speaker 3: Shocking, and like, man, I panic.
Speaker 2: Guy, you know, actually, actually, actually it would be wide
Speaker 2: receiver for me because I would think, honestly, I would
Speaker 2: think those two positions would match up comparably, like what
Speaker 2: you would pay for your top receiver. You'd probably pay
Speaker 2: the sum amount for your top or maybe even a
Speaker 2: little bit more for your cornerback, because I think it's
Speaker 2: harder to find great cornerbacks than maybe it is to
Speaker 2: find great receivers, especially in today's NFL, So I would
Speaker 2: have thought.
Speaker 5: The premium would be a little higher on cornerback.
Speaker 2: To think that the top cornerback was what twenty three
Speaker 2: and the top receivers thirty, Yeah, that to me is
Speaker 2: somewhat shocking.
Speaker 11: Yeah, but I look at it from the cornerback standpoint
Speaker 11: of the guys there and and and I know it's
Speaker 11: different when you don't play like fantasy football factors then
Speaker 11: because you kind of know who the studs are at receivers, corners,
Speaker 11: not not the same. But still, when I look at
Speaker 11: those names, I don't even I mean, we know the league,
Speaker 11: we study these guys, where we watch them those names
Speaker 11: don't jump out to me as twenty two to twenty
Speaker 11: three million dollars a year. Guys, that's the market, that's
Speaker 11: what it is. But I mean even Diggs, I mean,
Speaker 11: as Amber just said, Diggs is going to be maybe
Speaker 11: the highest and he's got some flaws in his game.
Speaker 8: That people love to point out. I don't think they're
Speaker 8: that big.
Speaker 2: Is it easier though, to point out those flaws in
Speaker 2: a cornerback than it is a receiver because you think
Speaker 2: about like this, A receiver has four or five catches
Speaker 2: in a game, and if one of them is a touchdown,
Speaker 2: they had a great day. Yeah, out of all the
Speaker 2: snaps they had, they had four or five really great moments.
Speaker 2: For cornerback, they could have great coverage all day, give
Speaker 2: up one touchdown, it's a horrible day.
Speaker 8: Right.
Speaker 2: So it's like you can you can point out the Yeah,
Speaker 2: you can point out the flaws of a cornerback a
Speaker 2: lot easier then you can point out the flaws and
Speaker 2: a wide receiver.
Speaker 8: That's yeah, and that's what happens.
Speaker 11: But I still I look at those names and I
Speaker 11: get a little surprised that they're at that range.
Speaker 9: Is there anybody on this team that you could say
Speaker 9: that you feel good enough to let a receiver or
Speaker 9: a corner walk. I think you're better protected at corner
Speaker 9: if you let you feel like that.
Speaker 5: I don't even want to entertain this conversation. I do
Speaker 5: not want.
Speaker 2: I don't There's no scenario I think for the Cowboys.
Speaker 5: No, No, that's not what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I'm saying there's no scenario for me, as a bystander
Speaker 2: that's watching the Cowboys that has an interest in wanting
Speaker 2: them to win, would want them to let either Lamb
Speaker 2: or Digs go.
Speaker 5: You better figure out something else.
Speaker 2: If you got to let somebody else go, Lamb, Digs
Speaker 2: and Micah, they better be here.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 11: I've seen Larry Brown have success when Dion was on
Speaker 11: the other side. And I think when you keep when
Speaker 11: you have star players here, you can elevate the play
Speaker 11: of others. And so doing whatever I can, and if
Speaker 11: that means that you have to to play a lot
Speaker 11: more of the Ron Bland types and next year's rookies
Speaker 11: and all that, you deal with it.
Speaker 8: Because they can draft. We know they can draft.
Speaker 3: They can't draft. That's the thing about which which.
Speaker 11: Holden that could be the reason why. That could be
Speaker 11: your argument of why you don't though, Well, because they
Speaker 11: can draft.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's also part of it. Like, because you
Speaker 2: can draft, I can have a top heavy roster. I
Speaker 2: can have four or five guys that make the bulk
Speaker 2: of the salary, and I'll draft and fill in my
Speaker 2: depth because I'm good at draft.
Speaker 5: That's the way I well.
Speaker 9: The thing about it is one of the positions we
Speaker 9: were talking about was receiver, and now there's questions about Tolbert.
Speaker 3: You know that's a draft yeah, you know.
Speaker 9: So now you're sitting there thinking if you had if say,
Speaker 9: if Tolbert would have been or Gallop would have been.
Speaker 9: Now now you're thinking, okay, if one of these guys walk,
Speaker 9: you feel I feel better that if Diggs walked, I
Speaker 9: would feel better about playing Bland, then I would maybe
Speaker 9: play in Gallop or Tat or Tolbert right now in
Speaker 9: this place.
Speaker 13: Yeah, I get that point and replacement value, I yeah,
Speaker 13: theither one I was going anywhere before twenty five because
Speaker 13: twenty yeah, twenty twenty four season, because they will franchise
Speaker 13: Tag Digs if he can't get done, and and CD's already.
Speaker 11: Under contract yea, and dak is under contract as well too,
Speaker 11: So this is a this.
Speaker 2: Is a future problem, somewhat future problem. But at the
Speaker 2: end of the day, I don't.
Speaker 5: See a scenario go down on those players. But when
Speaker 5: those players are not on this team, I just I
Speaker 5: don't want to see that.
Speaker 3: Would you take a swing? Can we do this? Can you?
Speaker 3: Would you take a swing and go ahead and try
Speaker 3: and get Parsons done? Now you can't, can you? I mean,
Speaker 3: I don't know. I'm trying to think of I'm trying.
Speaker 11: He has to be three years in the league unless
Speaker 11: they've changed that. I think he's got to be three.
Speaker 3: I know that. I think I'm I think I think
Speaker 3: you're right back. That's why I asked the question.
Speaker 2: Why when you said that, it just hit me. This
Speaker 2: dude's only been in the league two.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think you're I think you're also right. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you're right.
Speaker 8: You can't. He's got to wait.
Speaker 3: One more year.
Speaker 9: This time next year, when we're having the break in June,
Speaker 9: we can talk about.
Speaker 3: Oh but yeah, I to me, if if.
Speaker 9: You could though, if you if he was eligible, yeah,
Speaker 9: started I'd go. I'd go right now. I just go
Speaker 9: right now and try, you know, everybody else. You're kind
Speaker 9: of like, I'm sorry, we're gonna work on this one first.
Speaker 5: That's also part of it.
Speaker 2: Like I do wonder if Steven's The point of Stephen's
Speaker 2: comments was to basically say, it's kind of like and
Speaker 2: then I want to make this analogy, but I'm gonna
Speaker 2: make this analogy. It's kind of like when you have
Speaker 2: a group of people that all get in trouble and
Speaker 2: the police are talking to them. They're like, we're only
Speaker 2: giving one deal here. So whoever jumps in first and
Speaker 2: it's willing to switch on everybody else, you're gonna get
Speaker 2: the deal.
Speaker 3: They did it with Jalen Smith.
Speaker 9: I mean, it's like they'll tell you, they'll tell you
Speaker 9: they're open for business, but we have to agree on business.
Speaker 3: We're open, but we have to agree.
Speaker 2: And whoever jumps in first make it the best deal.
Speaker 2: So jump in now.
Speaker 11: Jalen was was smart and that because he did he knew,
Speaker 11: he saw what he knew that he didn't have it anymore.
Speaker 11: And he he kind of got to the cowboys before
Speaker 11: they got to him. Yeah, and when we're like, wow,
Speaker 11: everyone was surprised by that deal because I think deep down,
Speaker 11: even though he made a Pro Bowl before. He knew
Speaker 11: that was the times egg and the knee was not
Speaker 11: where it should be.
Speaker 5: Well, at the very least, he knew, this is the
Speaker 5: best it's gonna get. I'm coming the Pro Bowl year.
Speaker 5: Even if I stay at this level, I'm not going
Speaker 5: to do better than that.
Speaker 9: Now, he also knew the organization was growing tired of
Speaker 9: dealing with Zeke, and why not go in there and
Speaker 9: get some game.
Speaker 10: Businessman about Dak real quick. I kind of forgot his
Speaker 10: whole situation. It's in the deal as far as like
Speaker 10: you apply the extension and this is the amount, or
Speaker 10: is there some type of negotiation negotiation that needs to
Speaker 10: happen again.
Speaker 9: They got to negotiate because of his cap number. They're
Speaker 9: gonna have to.
Speaker 3: They've got to extend it to bring the cap number down.
Speaker 8: I think there's an option that he could avoid. I
Speaker 8: think it's a void.
Speaker 11: I mean, that's one of the things I need to
Speaker 11: get a little bit better about knowing. I mean, obviously
Speaker 11: it's something that's there, but it's like all it's not
Speaker 11: like it's an inspiring contract.
Speaker 8: It's got to be something that they They.
Speaker 9: The cap guys love it when we talk about the cap.
Speaker 9: You know, they just love that we sit there and
Speaker 9: recklessly speculated things.
Speaker 3: Like you don't know, like like Brian, why would you
Speaker 3: say that? Brian? You know that kind of thing.
Speaker 8: All right?
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Speaker 2: gonna roll through the defensive line in the secondary I'm
Speaker 2: gonna just ask the simple question.
Speaker 3: I got more cap questions in case you want to.
Speaker 2: Okay, good, I gotta ask the simple question. Are they
Speaker 2: better worse of the same. Let's start with the defensive
Speaker 2: line after the changes that have been made. Are they
Speaker 2: better worse or the same?
Speaker 8: Defensive line?
Speaker 3: Better?
Speaker 8: Better?
Speaker 3: Better? Better?
Speaker 9: They've resigned Hankins in Ma's and that's what I think,
Speaker 9: and they and I think, to me, you kind of
Speaker 9: understand now what you're I think Osa is going to
Speaker 9: be on the rise. I believe that you're also talking
Speaker 9: about Sam Williams being on the rise. I'm fascinated by
Speaker 9: what they're going to do with Chauncey Golston, believe it
Speaker 9: or not, a defensive tackle. I think they've got some
Speaker 9: plans and some ideas for these guys. So I think
Speaker 9: they're better on the defensive line now.
Speaker 11: Anytime you can go over the first round pick in
Speaker 11: defensive tackle, that's a spot that they typically don't address
Speaker 11: that that high. But they, you know, by doing that,
Speaker 11: obviously they feel like he can just add some strength
Speaker 11: right in the middle of that core of the defensive line.
Speaker 8: So yeah, I say better.
Speaker 10: Exactly what they said. You still have all your core guys,
Speaker 10: that your main guys, main starters that you need and
Speaker 10: that have made what the defense line defensive line has been.
Speaker 10: But then on top of that, you add a first
Speaker 10: round pick like Mazie, a guy that physically he feels
Speaker 10: like he's ready to go and just what he needs
Speaker 10: to be. There's no more weight needed to be put on,
Speaker 10: and I think he'll be. He'll be of great impact
Speaker 10: this year.
Speaker 2: If there was one weakness from this unit last year,
Speaker 2: it was and really the last couple of years, it
Speaker 2: was the run defense. It actually was better in my
Speaker 2: opinion last year than it was the year before with
Speaker 2: the added edition of Hankins. That being said, if you
Speaker 2: had to identify one potential weakness or at least a
Speaker 2: question mark for you right now on the defensive line,
Speaker 2: what would it be.
Speaker 3: That's a good question because I'll think about it quickly.
Speaker 9: But they Okay, when they didn't have Hankins, they didn't
Speaker 9: have anything in the run defense, and that killed him.
Speaker 3: They got Milesy. That takes care of that.
Speaker 9: If what if Sam Williams is not as good as
Speaker 9: what we think he's going to be, now they can
Speaker 9: fall back.
Speaker 3: They say, whoa Brian they got Dort's.
Speaker 9: Armstrong and they got good, but you also are hoping
Speaker 9: that Sam Williams is everything and more. I think Dorn's
Speaker 9: Armstrong is a good player. I like what he's been,
Speaker 9: I like what he's done the last couple of years.
Speaker 9: I think he's gotten better under this defensive staff. But man,
Speaker 9: if Sam Williams can come in here and hit the
Speaker 9: home run and just take that right defensive end position over,
Speaker 9: then this defense is got chance to be really good.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I think for me, and as great as he
Speaker 11: is Micah Parsons, he's he's outstanding there. But they got
Speaker 11: to make sure that the teams aren't spending all off
Speaker 11: season figuring out, Okay, when they put him at outside
Speaker 11: or a defensive end, this is how we're going to
Speaker 11: attack it. Philly did a good job. There's some other
Speaker 11: teams that did a good job there. If I'm in
Speaker 11: the NFC East, or even if he's on if the
Speaker 11: Cowboys are on the schedule, I'm spending a lot of
Speaker 11: the offseason going this is how we have to attack
Speaker 11: and neutralize him. So I think that's gonna be something
Speaker 11: the Cowboys have to offset as well. It's not just
Speaker 11: pain in your ears back. Not always third and nine.
Speaker 11: Sometimes it's third and five, and he's got to make
Speaker 11: sure because you know, that's why he's bulking up a
Speaker 11: little bit.
Speaker 8: So that right there is the key.
Speaker 11: I mean, he is an outstanding player, there's no doubt,
Speaker 11: but they got to make sure that they keep making
Speaker 11: him on the attack and not where teams can kind
Speaker 11: of neutralize him.
Speaker 10: I can't think of any weakness. I'm sorry, like right now,
Speaker 10: because if this guy isn't as good, for example, that
Speaker 10: same theory can be applied to every other position on
Speaker 10: the team. But right now, I feel like if someone
Speaker 10: is maybe not performing us, they should There are enough
Speaker 10: guys to pick up that slack and just make up
Speaker 10: for it. So I feel pretty confident of all the
Speaker 10: defensive line this year. I'm freaking excited about it.
Speaker 9: Yeah, and just going I'm looking at the roster right now,
Speaker 9: and I should have said this to start the jump.
Speaker 9: If Osa, I think is going to be really really good. Okay,
Speaker 9: Neville Gallimore kind of an off year last year. I
Speaker 9: mentioned Goldston. What happens if something with Osa doesn't work
Speaker 9: out or you know, he's not able to play.
Speaker 3: Who is that three technique?
Speaker 9: Who is going to be the three that steps up,
Speaker 9: and the three is a guy that plays on the
Speaker 9: outside shoulder of the of the guards there, So do
Speaker 9: they have the depth that three? It's veteran guys, it's Galimore,
Speaker 9: it's Golston, you know, but as could Gallimore or Goalston
Speaker 9: be that starter. Galimore was a starter at one time,
Speaker 9: but it seems like he went into the doghouse last year.
Speaker 9: People were jumping over him, you know, for opportunities and reps.
Speaker 9: So maybe the depth that the three might be in question.
Speaker 11: Uh, at that point, they're always overlooking Isaac aliqu m M.
Speaker 11: Moving to de tackle. We have a story coming up
Speaker 11: on the website on that too. He's he's excited about it.
Speaker 9: You know what would well, well, the situation with him
Speaker 9: is that, you know, here's a guy that you know,
Speaker 9: probably played a lot of Scout team on, played some
Speaker 9: defensive line, and you know it was over there like
Speaker 9: jumping in, filling in, and coaches sees something and you
Speaker 9: know what, those coaches on the defensive side do a
Speaker 9: great job of taking guys and using them for their skill,
Speaker 9: you know, and saying, oh, well, hey, maybe this guy
Speaker 9: does have a little bit you know, that's nothing wrong
Speaker 9: with moving a player over, and if the player's excited
Speaker 9: about the move, that's that's half the battle right here.
Speaker 11: Dan Quinn was it about. Dan Quinn was like, he's
Speaker 11: the one that think that that kind of spearheaded this.
Speaker 10: Yeah, he had mentioned in an interview that he had
Speaker 10: heard it was dan Quinn who kind of started pointing
Speaker 10: him out and said, hey, let me take him, bring
Speaker 10: him over. And for a guy I have the most
Speaker 10: respect for dan Quinn and I love him, So for
Speaker 10: a guy like him to say that he wants you
Speaker 10: to come over his eye, that says a lot.
Speaker 11: And I've said this before. They're going to lose the
Speaker 11: roster exemption with him this year, so there's not ninety
Speaker 11: one players. It's just ninety And if he goes to
Speaker 11: the practice squad, it will be just on his own
Speaker 11: courts team. But if you think about it, from what
Speaker 11: Brian just said, he will be you know, he's gonna
Speaker 11: be a defensive tackle. But then when they when they
Speaker 11: work on scout team for defensive tackle, HeLa office tackle.
Speaker 11: So it's almost like two guys in one.
Speaker 3: If he can do that, that's the perfect practice squad player.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no doubt, perfect practice So.
Speaker 11: They're losing their exemption, but they're getting it back if
Speaker 11: he can do both things.
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Speaker 5: Will come back.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about the secondary. We'll do that and uh
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Speaker 2: Uh So, let's talk about the secondary. I want to
Speaker 2: start first looking at the looking at the secondary, and
Speaker 2: my first question for you when I when I look
Speaker 2: at the whole group is does the addition of Gilmour
Speaker 2: slow the progress of Bland. Bland was I think a
Speaker 2: very large bright spot for this team last year.
Speaker 5: He was a young guy that.
Speaker 2: Was drafted a little bit later but played really good football.
Speaker 2: Do you think this slows his progress as a player?
Speaker 11: Yes, and a good thing. I mean, that's okay. I mean,
Speaker 11: there's progress stopper sounds like a bad thing. There's a
Speaker 11: lot of guys whose progress is getting stopped. But you know,
Speaker 11: I mean, Jalen Tolbert's progress is getting stop by the
Speaker 11: addition of Brandon Cooks. But guess what if you would
Speaker 11: have had a better rookie year and we wouldn't have
Speaker 11: how to get Brandon Cooks.
Speaker 5: But Bland did have a good rookie.
Speaker 8: He had a good year.
Speaker 11: But then again, Jordan Lewis's injury is going to allow
Speaker 11: Jordan I mean Deron Bland to play a lot. I mean,
Speaker 11: I think and even Deron Bland might even be the
Speaker 11: better guy anyways for the slot.
Speaker 8: So I don't know.
Speaker 11: If it stops his progress as much stop some of
Speaker 11: those other cornerbacks that are drafted in the second third
Speaker 11: round two years ago. I think it stops their progress
Speaker 11: in the Sean Wright, Kelvin Joseph, But not so much
Speaker 11: Bland because I do think he's got a role.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think that with the thing with Bland is
Speaker 9: that to me, if they're going to play him at
Speaker 9: let him learn the nickel, let him learn that slot position,
Speaker 9: because that could be super valuable. The more that the
Speaker 9: more experience he gets working in that area. If you,
Speaker 9: like I say, if you got Gilmore and Diggs and
Speaker 9: then and just let him focus on nickel, then all
Speaker 9: of a sudden, when it turns when it becomes his
Speaker 9: time to be a starter, say Gilmore moves on. Bland
Speaker 9: now has played, He's played at a high level at
Speaker 9: nickel slot. He now can play on the outside. Man
Speaker 9: that I think that's just I think that's just better
Speaker 9: for him as the development of a because you play that,
Speaker 9: you find a way to play that nickel slot, and
Speaker 9: you do it well, you can stay in this league
Speaker 9: a long time doing that well.
Speaker 10: I know that during OTA's we saw him moving around
Speaker 10: and doing being playing on the outside and also on
Speaker 10: the inside, and I think that's a really good thing.
Speaker 10: He looked pretty good on both, and I think that
Speaker 10: just develops him even more. I don't think it always
Speaker 10: sucks in that aspect when you bring a veteran in,
Speaker 10: because it does take away from them, But also you
Speaker 10: got to look at the positives and like what that
Speaker 10: veteran can bring as far as knowledge. We've seen it
Speaker 10: with a lot of veterans that come in here and
Speaker 10: they start teaching the younger guys things that they know
Speaker 10: and have experience, and that becomes a really good impact
Speaker 10: for them. So I think it's actually a good thing.
Speaker 10: And I don't think he's as of right now, he's
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Speaker 3: You can't have enough corners.
Speaker 9: We went through this last year, the year when we
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Speaker 9: know some of them games.
Speaker 3: I mean, you can't. You've got to have enough guys.
Speaker 3: You just have to.
Speaker 2: So assuming that Diggs, Gilmore, Bland are your top three,
Speaker 2: knowing that Lewis is likely going to start camp and
Speaker 2: be on pup four, I don't know how much time,
Speaker 2: but obviously start there, who's the next guy? Because when
Speaker 2: you start thinking about these cornerbacks, you got guys like
Speaker 2: Kelvin Joseph, Na Sean Wright, Eric Scott even I've heard
Speaker 2: some people talk about him.
Speaker 5: Who's the next guy and.
Speaker 2: Who should be really really concerned heading into training camp
Speaker 2: knowing that if they don't produce and have a great camp,
Speaker 2: they could be on the street.
Speaker 11: Kelvin Joseph should be concerned by that. Just when you
Speaker 11: watch the practice and kind of see who's doing what,
Speaker 11: and where and all that.
Speaker 8: Now, what helps him.
Speaker 11: Is the fact that he was a really good player
Speaker 11: on special teams when he's not having penalties. He's really
Speaker 11: good on special teams. And they missed, they lost some
Speaker 11: core guys on special teams last year. So if that's
Speaker 11: your role, that's your role. And and yeah, you can
Speaker 11: justify the second round pick, and that doesn't make sense
Speaker 11: for just being a special teams days, but you better
Speaker 11: be damn.
Speaker 8: Good at it.
Speaker 11: And you know, he made a he made a play
Speaker 11: in the in the forty nine ers game where he
Speaker 11: forced that fumble that that should have led to a touchdown.
Speaker 11: It did not, but I'm just saying that could have
Speaker 11: changed the whole game and season there. So if he's
Speaker 11: not gonna play a lot of corner you better master
Speaker 11: that special team spot.
Speaker 9: I think I think you got to look at Naseean
Speaker 9: Wright though, too. You know, his situation stuff. You know,
Speaker 9: he needs to he kind of needs to figure some
Speaker 9: things out there, you know, Joseph.
Speaker 3: I think Joseph to move to safety.
Speaker 9: I think that's the direction they're going to go with him.
Speaker 9: I just feel like, though we'll see with Naseean Wright,
Speaker 9: that was one of those that you know, can he
Speaker 9: have a good enough camp to where he puts himself
Speaker 9: in the picture with the rest of these guys.
Speaker 11: I think like a wild card in this whole secondary
Speaker 11: is mccuamu because he has a skill set that you know,
Speaker 11: former Cornery both can play both ye and and and
Speaker 11: you know you've got you got Donovan Wilson, you got
Speaker 11: jay Ron Curse, you got Mollie Cooker, and two of
Speaker 11: those guys are gonna up with their contract next year.
Speaker 11: So maybe mcwama's going to play some safety after that.
Speaker 11: But they you know, we saw in that one playoff
Speaker 11: game where they had a role for him, mccamuu. And
Speaker 11: I think mcwamu is a guy that's going to factor into.
Speaker 5: This and could make Are you saying he could make
Speaker 5: all of them?
Speaker 11: Yeah, just because because when you get to you know,
Speaker 11: your backup corners and safeties, the guys that do both.
Speaker 11: I mean, instead of taking five and five to the game,
Speaker 11: if you can take four and four and then one
Speaker 11: dual threat, that's nine that you take to the game,
Speaker 11: but really you're taking two.
Speaker 9: There's been a lot of praise being thrown onto Eric
Speaker 9: Scott right now, and just because of where he's lining up.
Speaker 3: So there the spotlights.
Speaker 9: On Eric Scott lining up just for clarity, Well, it
Speaker 9: is a corner, what higher in the depth charge? Yeah,
Speaker 9: Like he's like they have the junior varsity practicing on
Speaker 9: one field and the varsity and occasionally it's rare that
Speaker 9: you see a junior varsity player going down to the
Speaker 9: varsity field and getting work. And Eric Scott's the one
Speaker 9: guy that they seem to have thrown into the mix
Speaker 9: as like a schoonmaker. Before he was a little banged up,
Speaker 9: he was practicing on the varsity field with the ones,
Speaker 9: and now Eric Scott's getting opportunities to.
Speaker 8: Get And where's Kelvin Joseph.
Speaker 3: Kelvin Joseph is uh, he's kind of down on the right.
Speaker 2: And that's but those are the things I think that
Speaker 2: that as we again head into training camp, those will
Speaker 2: be the kinds of storylines that we will win following
Speaker 2: and you will be able to notice based upon how
Speaker 2: they're utilizing guys, what their thoughts are on on the
Speaker 2: guy's ability and where they think he falls on the
Speaker 2: depth charte.
Speaker 11: I mean, ce J Goodwin's not playing corner, but he
Speaker 11: does special teams real well. So if Kelvin Joseph, Hey,
Speaker 11: if that's your role.
Speaker 8: Kill it, kill it.
Speaker 2: That's absolutely right, all right, real quick, before in the show,
Speaker 2: I did want to bring up one topic that that
Speaker 2: I thought was interesting. This goes back to our news
Speaker 2: and notes that we were talking about earlier in the show.
Speaker 2: The Cowboys all but dismissed the possibility of DeAndre Hopkins
Speaker 2: coming here. He is now a free agent after he
Speaker 2: was let go by the Cardinals. That being said, do
Speaker 2: you agree with that assessment or do you think the
Speaker 2: Cowboys really should give some thought to bringing him to
Speaker 2: this team.
Speaker 8: I don't think there's a.
Speaker 3: So we could talk about it. Right he's free, he's free.
Speaker 8: He's free.
Speaker 5: I'll say his name as much as you want.
Speaker 8: I wouldn't give you five minutes Hopkins, I wouldn't do it.
Speaker 11: I think that what you know, and we said this,
Speaker 11: I think last week Odell Beckham's contract is sitting there.
Speaker 11: I think he's gonna want something in the neighborhood of that.
Speaker 11: The money we talked about all these other guys, it
Speaker 11: just doesn't seem like it would be a fit if.
Speaker 8: He comes here.
Speaker 11: Right now. Yeah, he's better than Gallup, There's no doubt
Speaker 11: he is, but I think for the roles and everything,
Speaker 11: I think everything's really defined. I think it clouds it
Speaker 11: up a little too much. You get a great player,
Speaker 11: he's going to be expensive. It clouds up your all
Speaker 11: a little bit. I don't think that's the best fit
Speaker 11: for him or the Cowboys.
Speaker 9: They're looking at a situation right now where Odell Beckham
Speaker 9: basically set the market for not even playing a whole year.
Speaker 9: I got fifteen million dollars for one year. I don't
Speaker 9: think the Cowboys are interested in that at.
Speaker 5: All, especially with all these deals coming up.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean you've heard it from the Cowboys. You've
Speaker 10: heard from Jerry Jones, Stephen Jones, Mike McCarthy. The way
Speaker 10: they've spoken about it sounds pretty clear that they're not
Speaker 10: because sometimes they leave it kind of up in the air,
Speaker 10: but it sounds very clear that they're not really looking
Speaker 10: to go that route. And what's crazy, Like, Hopkins to
Speaker 10: me was the first guy, the first wide receiver that
Speaker 10: I watched, not the first, I guess, the first that
Speaker 10: I was so impressed when I started watching NFL. I
Speaker 10: remember watching him. I'm just like, oh my god, who
Speaker 10: is that guy? That's when I first started and he
Speaker 10: I was a big fan of his and he's so
Speaker 10: talented and I think he can bring he can he
Speaker 10: can still bring a lot to the table, for sure,
Speaker 10: but does the many game money.
Speaker 3: They got their guy Cooks. They wanted Cooks last year
Speaker 3: at the trade deadline, Houston couldn't make it happen.
Speaker 9: They got their guy. I think that they're set with
Speaker 9: their room right now. They're trying to I'm not trying
Speaker 9: to protect Tolbert, but they're letting Tolbert have an opportunity
Speaker 9: to see if he can make it or not. And
Speaker 9: I think that's why they didn't address in the draft
Speaker 9: wide receiver until the very last pick. They're going to
Speaker 9: see if Tolbert can play or not. And if he can,
Speaker 9: they'll be fine. If they're not, then they'll just with
Speaker 9: whatever they have to do.
Speaker 2: Frankly, if he were free when free agency was going
Speaker 2: on before the Cowboys signed Cooks, I think we'd have
Speaker 2: a lot more to discuss on which one you take, absolutely,
Speaker 2: because they're both very good, they have different skill sets,
Speaker 2: and then you could talk more about who best fits
Speaker 2: this offense. I think the decisions are made Cooks is here,
Speaker 2: I don't think I think you just can't afford to
Speaker 2: do what you would do.
Speaker 8: Yeah, both.
Speaker 11: I think I think running back would be addressed before
Speaker 11: before that, before receiver. I wouldn't be surprised if running
Speaker 11: back is addressed, maybe with a bigger name or not.
Speaker 8: I mean, but that would make more sense to me.
Speaker 3: Is he coming back he's.
Speaker 8: A big name. I don't.
Speaker 11: I don't think he is. Honestly, Jerry keeps saying that
Speaker 11: doors not. You know, I think it's just that old.
Speaker 3: I thought you were leading this to the water.
Speaker 8: No, I don't you all just think running back.
Speaker 11: I mean, like, like it makes sense when I look
Speaker 11: at it. I just don't think Ronald Jones and Malik
Speaker 11: Davis are gonna be.
Speaker 9: If I felt if I felt better about I felt
Speaker 9: better at one time about Malik Davis. Then all of
Speaker 9: a sudden, he doesn't play at all in that forty
Speaker 9: nine ers game, and I'm now I'm like going, something
Speaker 9: happened there. You know, If Malik Davis plays in that
Speaker 9: game and there he's able to get like fifty yards
Speaker 9: rushing on you know, six seven carries or something, you know,
Speaker 9: then I'm thinking, like they got a guy here, and
Speaker 9: I think they do.
Speaker 3: I like Malik Davis.
Speaker 9: But something happened between the end of last season and
Speaker 9: where we are right now, new coaching staff, basically on
Speaker 9: the offensive side of the ball. Maybe a fresh approach
Speaker 9: for him. Keep an eye on him. I think he's
Speaker 9: a good player.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I will tell you this, Nick, If you think
Speaker 2: about it, from the running back position, we keep hearing
Speaker 2: over and over there needs to be an increased.
Speaker 5: Use of the running game.
Speaker 2: And at the same time, I think the running game,
Speaker 2: particularly the running back position, is probably a position where
Speaker 2: we have more questions about than any other position on
Speaker 2: the team. So if you think of from that perspective,
Speaker 2: I could see where you're going there, and then you
Speaker 2: would think at some point they are going to do more.
Speaker 2: They have to do more because there's just too many
Speaker 2: question marks there. But I could also see them going
Speaker 2: into camp, seeing how camp goes, and then if they
Speaker 2: feel like they got to make a move, trying to
Speaker 2: make a move at that point rather than doing something.
Speaker 11: But soon, if you really just think there's somebody out there,
Speaker 11: you know, we'll get a free agent whatever. Just know this,
Speaker 11: of all the free agents that are out there, the
Speaker 11: guys that are established that have played that are not
Speaker 11: on a team, the one that is the most productive
Speaker 11: and the youngest is Zeke, So that just goes to
Speaker 11: sh He's the youngest of all of them and he's
Speaker 11: got definitely.
Speaker 2: So as much as I don't think he's coming back,
Speaker 2: I could sell scenario that makes sense for them.
Speaker 8: What I'm saying is is that if that's not going
Speaker 8: to happen.
Speaker 3: The employer strikes No, I'm just saying, I don't know.
Speaker 11: Let's just see if there's something else that happens with
Speaker 11: another team.
Speaker 8: I think.
Speaker 11: I just don't think if they're gonna make a splash,
Speaker 11: they'll make it running back more than they'd make it received.
Speaker 2: All right, appreciate you guys joining us. It's been a
Speaker 2: great offseason. We've had a lot of fun. We're gonna
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