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Speaker 1: Ever been left waiting by the phone. It's the Fred Show.

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Speaker 2: Damien, Good morning, welcome to the program. How are you.

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Speaker 3: I'm doing all right? How are you doing?

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Speaker 1: Doing all right? Man? What's going on with Christina?

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Speaker 2: We need to know everything on waiting by the phone here,

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Speaker 2: at least everything you know, how did you guys meet?

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Speaker 2: Tell us about any dates that you've been on, and

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Speaker 2: then kind of where things are now while you think

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Speaker 2: you're being ghosted.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, we met on Hinge and we had a date.

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Speaker 3: We just grabbed some drinks. Seemed to me like it

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Speaker 3: went really well.

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Speaker 4: I'm assuming that she was enjoying herself because she was

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Speaker 4: the one who suggested that we go back to my

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Speaker 4: place and hang out. So we did that. I thought

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Speaker 4: it went really well. But since then, I've only heard

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Speaker 4: from her the once, and that was just when I

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Speaker 4: called her to make sure that she got home okay.

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Speaker 5: So and after that it's just been radio silence. So

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Speaker 5: I don't know what the deal is. I really thought

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Speaker 5: we had fun.

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Speaker 1: Interesting. Interesting.

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Speaker 2: So you look back this and you know, I always

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Speaker 2: ask this question and just you know, little self awareness

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Speaker 2: will just take a minute of reflection. You really look back,

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Speaker 2: and everything went well. As far as you're concerned, No

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Speaker 2: weird conversation topics. No, you didn't fight about anything. That

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Speaker 2: nothing strange. I mean, you truly are puzzled. You have

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Speaker 2: no idea why this person would not want to see

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Speaker 2: you again.

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Speaker 4: No, it seemed to me like we had a really

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Speaker 4: nice time, and like I say.

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Speaker 5: I was getting what seemed to me like really clear

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Speaker 5: signals that she was having a good time earlier in

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Speaker 5: the night.

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Speaker 3: So I don't know, I don't know what. I don't

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Speaker 3: know what went.

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Speaker 2: Wrong, all right, just asking all the questions. Yeah, so

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Speaker 2: you know, because sometimes people will say after the fact, like,

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Speaker 2: oh that was me. No, look, I'm giving you full

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Speaker 2: opportunity like anything you might be self conscious about, let's

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Speaker 2: let's chat about it now. But you're saying everything is good.

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Speaker 2: So we're gonna play a song, we'll come back in

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Speaker 2: a couple of minutes. We're gonna call this woman Christina

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Speaker 2: and ask her some questions. You're welcome to jump in

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Speaker 2: at some point, and the hope, as always is that

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Speaker 2: it's a good explanation as to why you know, she's

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Speaker 2: been kind of Ina, and we can sit you guys

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Speaker 2: up on another date and pay for that.

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Speaker 3: That would be wonderful. Hope it works that way.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Damien, Yeah, let's call this woman Christina. You guys,

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Speaker 2: you met on Hinds, you went out for drinks. You

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Speaker 2: thought that went well. In fact, she was saying and

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Speaker 2: she wanted to see you again on this date. So

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Speaker 2: she was kind of the one pushing the matter, like, hey,

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Speaker 2: I want what's the next day?

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Speaker 1: What are we doing?

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Speaker 2: Except now you've tried to reach out and plan that

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Speaker 2: date and you haven't heard from her, and you don't

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Speaker 2: know why.

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's very confusing. Let's call Christina now, see we

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Speaker 2: can figure this out. Good luck, Damien, thank you. Hello,

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Speaker 2: Hi is this Christina? Hey, good morning, this is Fred.

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Speaker 2: I'm calling from the Fred Show, the morning radio show.

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Speaker 2: The whole crew is here with me, and I have

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Speaker 2: to tell you that we are on the radio right

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Speaker 2: now and I would need your permission to continue with

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Speaker 2: the calls. It okay if we chat for a little

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Speaker 2: bit on the show, would you mind?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's fine.

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Speaker 2: I know it's a little bit startling to get a

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Speaker 2: call like this, but you appreciate it. We're calling on

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Speaker 2: behalf of a guy named Damien, who I guess you

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Speaker 2: met on one of the dating apps hands I believe

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Speaker 2: it was, and went on.

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Speaker 1: A date recently.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, I did.

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Speaker 2: All right, Well, there seems like there may be a

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Speaker 2: story here because we just spoke with him. He had

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Speaker 2: nice thing to say about you. He felt like the

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Speaker 2: date that you went on went well. He felt like

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Speaker 2: he felt like you were trying to initiate, you know,

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Speaker 2: planning for a second date. But he says he can't

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Speaker 2: get a hold of you since the date. So that's

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Speaker 2: very confusing for Damien. What's your side of the story.

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Speaker 2: Sounds like there is another side of the story.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's really interesting that he had the wherewithal to

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Speaker 6: think that I was interested, but didn't have the wherewithal

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Speaker 3: Okay, you know what happened.

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Speaker 2: Because he's saying that the signs he was getting was

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Speaker 2: that he should get his act together.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like before but not afterwards, well after what.

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Speaker 5: So we.

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Speaker 6: Met on It's also embarrassing to just be like, Okay, sorry,

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Speaker 6: I'm just like kind of embarrassed because I'm on the air.

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Speaker 3: It's just on hints, you know, it's.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I got kind of embarrassed.

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Speaker 6: Telling people that, but it's like, you know, you do

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Speaker 6: what you can. But yeah, So we met on hint

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Speaker 6: and we went out for drinks, just the usual whatever,

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Speaker 6: and we actually were hitting it off really really well.

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Speaker 6: We had a great time, and you know, we were

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Speaker 6: chatting a lot. And that's kind of a big thing

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Speaker 6: for me, is that, you know, if you can just

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Speaker 6: you know, eye contact and actually talk to me like

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Speaker 6: a normal person.

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Speaker 2: Like you don't want to go on a date with

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Speaker 2: somebody and you're just meeting them, but they're on their

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Speaker 2: We're okay? Yeah exactly.

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Speaker 6: And that is way more common now than it used

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Speaker 6: to be, and it's just so disappointing.

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Speaker 7: So you know, I was like, you know, like okay,

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Speaker 7: like you know, we can hang out afterwards. And obviously

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Speaker 7: it's like, well, you know, if you're going to go

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Speaker 6: You know, I'm coming home with you, you know, like

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Speaker 6: that's I don't you know this, I'm dropping a lot

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Speaker 6: of hints here, you know what I mean, Where's.

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Speaker 1: The problem then, because like this all sounds fine.

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Speaker 8: So what happened, Well, the thing is is when we

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Speaker 8: got back to his place, he had one of those

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Speaker 8: like virtual reality headsets. Things were like you put it

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Speaker 8: on and you can like look through it, and immediately

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Speaker 8: he just got on there and started playing video games

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Speaker 8: or whatever virtual whatever it is.

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Speaker 2: Oh like those OUs or whatever they're called those things.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, so he was like fighting bad guys when

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Speaker 6: you were trying to hook up or yeah.

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Speaker 2: So this is right, So he's it went so well

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Speaker 2: that that you're going back to his place, that is

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Speaker 2: a very good sign. And he proceeds them to like

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Speaker 2: clop down on the couch and play video games, and

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Speaker 2: not only video games, but like in his own world, right,

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Speaker 2: Like he didn't he couldn't even look at you with

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Speaker 2: you or look at you because he got the goggles on.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, he's got a real life. He's got a

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Speaker 1: right right there in front of him.

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Speaker 6: If you you know, it's one thing to be like,

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Speaker 6: oh uh, do you want to play Nintendo Switch with me?

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Speaker 6: And then you can you know, use the little hand

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Speaker 3: Kind of have a cute little.

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Speaker 2: Interactive though, like you know what I mean, Like Hey,

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Speaker 2: let's play Nintendo and something fun and like a premonial

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Speaker 2: cal knows this one from falling for that one. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean I can understand. So so how long did

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Speaker 2: that go on before you did? Did you just get

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Speaker 1: Probably about an hour?

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Speaker 6: I just sat there all right, Well, I kept like,

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Speaker 2: Yeah that's Sam by the way, I was trying to

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Speaker 2: bring him in. I got caught up in a story

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Speaker 2: I forgot. I'm sorry, Christina, Damien. You guys know each other. Damian,

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Speaker 2: why are you inviting a woman to your home? She's

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Speaker 2: in your real life human being is in your home,

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Speaker 2: ready to do really enjoyable things, I hope, And yet

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Speaker 2: you decided to put on virtual reality goggles and play,

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Speaker 1: I don't know what you play an these things go?

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Speaker 3: I let first of all, I let her play with

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Speaker 3: it too. I we do you rememberize? Like I literally

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Speaker 3: I took you to Venice.

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Speaker 5: We I showed you the thing with the French riviera,

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Speaker 5: like this is part of the date. It's like this

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Speaker 5: is it's but it's cool, Okay, So you showed it

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Speaker 6: Had no interest in doing that. And also you kind

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Speaker 6: what hold on, I want to let me.

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Speaker 3: Show you and then you you.

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Speaker 1: Took it over.

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Speaker 2: I didn't care, but like you wanted to show somebody

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Speaker 2: something that you liked. It's cool, and that's like cool,

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Speaker 2: we did that. But then she's saying that you then

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Speaker 2: went into your own world for an hour hour and

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Speaker 2: ignored her. You had a real life thing to play

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Speaker 5: So from my perspective, I thought that this was you know,

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Speaker 5: she didn't know anything about virtual reality. I wanted to

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Speaker 5: show her my system that they It's like, it's really

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Speaker 2: But you're missing the point. You showed her your system,

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Speaker 2: but then you were the only one looking at your

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Speaker 2: system for an hour, and she was trying to look

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Speaker 2: she was trying to look at a different system. She

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Speaker 2: was trying to play with a different joystick, and you're

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Speaker 2: over here. I mean, can you understand how that's a

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Speaker 2: very isolating activity. It's it's not inclusive. You're you're now

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Speaker 2: doing your own thing for an hour, and you know,

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Speaker 2: but she wasn't allowed to get into it because you

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Speaker 2: were only one brother. Yeah, you're missing the point, Like

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Speaker 2: she was there, you need to she wanted to do

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Speaker 1: She was you were You.

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Speaker 2: Were supposed to occupy her, not occupy yourself.

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Speaker 4: Well, if she had been more willing to check it

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Speaker 4: out and engage with the thing that I was showing her,

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Speaker 4: she missed out because you know, there's like there's some.

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Speaker 1: What you're okay.

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Speaker 6: If I had been more willing.

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Speaker 1: To engage in something that is a.

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Speaker 6: Single player when whenn't talk.

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Speaker 1: About this at all?

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Speaker 6: Nor did I ever express interest or did you even

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Speaker 6: like talk to me about this whatsoever.

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Speaker 1: Also, this is a first date, dude, this is a

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Speaker 1: first date.

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Speaker 6: You play video games next to your girlfriend after you've

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Speaker 6: been dating for a while and she knows that you're

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Speaker 6: into this, you don't like bring her back to your

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Speaker 6: place and be like, hold on, I'm going to go

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Speaker 6: ignore you and play with fake people.

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Speaker 1: I don't care if you're patching my leg. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: And then when you're touching my leg, I'm.

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Speaker 7: Going to move your hand off and say I don't.

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Speaker 1: Want to hit you. Because you were getting so involved.

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Speaker 6: You were like, I don't want to like I don't

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Speaker 6: want to move your hand out.

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Speaker 2: Of the way, like whatever this single player activity is

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Speaker 2: like that, there wasn't the time, Like she's in your home.

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Speaker 2: You need to pay attention to her. Good things would

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Speaker 2: have happened, but you were wrapped up in your own

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Speaker 2: little virtual reality thing, which is weird because you had

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Speaker 2: real reality right there.

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Speaker 1: Videos right.

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Speaker 5: I was gonna say the first day thing is why

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Speaker 5: I didn't bring up then you know there are there

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Speaker 5: are like you know, some things on there by yourself.

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Speaker 6: On a first day decided to play video games instead

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Speaker 6: of watching.

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Speaker 3: Foreign in front of me.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, what are you gonna do, Damie, We're gonna

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Speaker 2: we're gonna watch naughty things in VR and then do

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Speaker 2: things to her. That's a little insulting, but I need

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Speaker 2: to live in my own world. But I'm using, let's

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Speaker 2: messed up, Like.

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Speaker 5: You know, I'm sorry that I can't afford a second headset,

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Speaker 5: but he can absolutely be like a shared experience which

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Speaker 5: took trade it back and forth.

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Speaker 2: That's the point is that it wasn't. So look, I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna ask the question, Christine. I know the answer, but

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Speaker 2: let's say, look, I'll buy the guy another headset or

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Speaker 2: something I don't know. I mean, do you want to

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Speaker 2: go out with him again? He seems to be missing

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Speaker 2: the overarching point here, which is that he was only

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Speaker 2: thinking about himself and not about you. But would you

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Speaker 2: like to go out with him again? We'll pay for it?

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Speaker 3: No, thank you?

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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, dude, I just Damien. I think the

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Speaker 2: point is when someone's in your home, you kind of

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Speaker 2: got to make it about them, and it sounds like

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Speaker 2: you chose to do like a solo activity with her

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Speaker 2: sitting there, and that's boring.

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Speaker 3: I'll take you, I'll take back. Also get to do.

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Speaker 1: Christina. Thank you for your sign, Damian. Good Ludy, you're

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Speaker 1: Damien all right than