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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Just like every morning, a

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Speaker 1: beautiful young girl just thirteen has to the school bus

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Speaker 1: stop and she's never seen alive again tonight, Where is Tabitha?

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Speaker 1: Good evening. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I

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Speaker 1: want to thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: It's an early Tuesday morning in East Nashville and a

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Speaker 2: Neighbors bount thirteen year old Tabitha Tutors heading to the

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Speaker 2: bus stop on South fourteenth Street at eight am that morning.

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Speaker 2: She never meet it on to that school bus.

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Speaker 1: Welcome everyone, joining us an all star panel to make

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Speaker 1: sense of what we know tonight and the disappearance of Tabitha.

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Speaker 1: But first I want to go to two very special

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Speaker 1: guests joining us, Debora and Beau Tutors. These are tabitha parents,

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Speaker 1: her mother and father to the Tutors. Welcome and thank

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Speaker 1: you for being with us. Miss Tutor. Tell me what

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Speaker 1: you remember about that morning when Tabitha went missing.

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Speaker 3: Well, that morning, when I woke up to get ready

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Speaker 3: she comes in there. And then her dad woke her

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Speaker 3: and that was the last time we seen her.

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Speaker 1: Did she have breakfast at home that morning.

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Speaker 4: No, ma'am. She normally needs at school.

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Speaker 1: Ah okay, one of those schools where they have breakfast

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Speaker 1: for you. What time of the morning was that, miss Tutors.

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Speaker 1: It was seven fifty seven five zero when she left

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Speaker 4: She left for school. She woke up at seven.

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Speaker 1: Tabitha was thirteen when she went missing. But she often

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Speaker 1: would come and sleep snuggling in the same bed with

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Speaker 3: Right, she normally made a palette at the foot of

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Speaker 1: But yes, and when you say a palette at the

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Speaker 3: The floor she made it in the floor at the

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Speaker 1: Would she as a little girl younger than thirteen, was

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Speaker 4: She just wanted to be close to me.

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Speaker 5: And that's where she slept.

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Speaker 1: Mister Tudors, again, thank you for being with us. What

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Speaker 5: My wife, she got up and left for work.

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Speaker 6: Then the probably about quarter minutes later, I woke Tabitha

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Speaker 5: She's all right, I'm updated.

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Speaker 6: I said, okay, baby, I love you, and I left

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Speaker 1: You know what's shocking about this, And I'm going to

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Speaker 1: go now to my longtime friend and colleague who has

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Speaker 1: searched for missing children since the kidnap of his daughter, Polly,

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Speaker 1: Mark classes with me. And Mark, I want to thank

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Speaker 1: you because I know, well I can't identify with it,

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Speaker 1: for being with us and for being here for Tabitha

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Speaker 1: and her parents. Mark. One thing that always strikes me,

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Speaker 1: and it strikes me about the murder of my fiance

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Speaker 1: is you and I have discussed off camera, is how

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Speaker 1: everything that morning is seemingly just fine. You think everything's fine.

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Speaker 1: I remember when I walked out of that statistics exam mark,

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Speaker 1: And within minutes I learned that Keith had been murdered.

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Speaker 1: And when I hear Deborah and Bow Tutors described that

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Speaker 7: Well, it's the normal patterns of a life. You're doing

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Speaker 7: what you do every day. You're getting your coffee, you're

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Speaker 7: saying I love you to your child in a way

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Speaker 7: I knew exactly where Pollie was. I knew that she

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Speaker 7: was not coming back alive. But the tutors are stuck

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Speaker 7: in a in a in a loop. They're they're just

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Speaker 7: They have absolutely no answers whatever. And I can tell

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Speaker 7: you definitively from my point of view, you're much better

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Speaker 1: Mark, I've got to ask you another question, and I'm

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Speaker 1: going to go back to the tutors with the same question.

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Speaker 1: Taba the tutor's parents, her mother and father are with us,

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Speaker 1: along with Mark Klass and the rest of our all

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Speaker 1: star panel. Mark to things one after Polly's kidnap and murder.

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Speaker 1: Do you every time you say goodbye to somebody you love,

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Speaker 1: Like when I say that you know my toys are

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Speaker 1: I going to see them this afternoon. It's horrible to

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Speaker 1: I never saw him again. Does it ever go away?

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Speaker 7: Mark, I've learned how to compartmentalize, and I can't have

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Speaker 7: her again. It's something that I'm completely aware of, but

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Speaker 7: at some point. And it's hard enough, as you know,

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Speaker 7: when you go through a tragedy like this, just holding

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Speaker 1: And Mark my other question, and I'm going to follow

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Speaker 1: up with the tutors on these very same two questions.

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Speaker 1: I find myself and I'm wondering this about you and

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Speaker 1: the Tutors as it relates to the Sacs in Tabitha's disappearance.

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Speaker 1: I find myself not allowing my mind to go too

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Speaker 1: close to the facts of Keith's murder, like what exactly

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Speaker 1: Do you keep Polly's disappearance at arm's length?

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Speaker 7: Listen? She she was so full, she was afraid of

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Speaker 7: the dark, and she was afraid of the Boogeyman. And

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Speaker 7: I can't contemplate the last moments of her life. It

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Speaker 5: Have to skirt it.

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Speaker 7: I have to compartmentalize it.

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Speaker 1: Same to Deborah and bow Tutors, who I want to

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Speaker 1: tell everybody by coming on with us today, it's bringing

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Speaker 1: back to the surface everything they went through when Tabatha

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Speaker 1: Mister Tudors, tell me how has her disappearance affected you.

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Speaker 8: It's heartbreaking and never knowing if you ever see your

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Speaker 8: you know that she's gone, and but if she's gone,

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Speaker 8: we're there again in the Lord's house.

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Speaker 1: Tudor's howe has Tabitha's disappearance affected your life?

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Speaker 3: Well, her disappearance, you know, like Bo said, it's heartbreaking

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Speaker 3: not knowing whether she's here with us or not. You know,

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Speaker 3: it took me a while to get back on my

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Speaker 4: She woke up that morning, you know.

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Speaker 3: To go to the bus stop and thinking that her

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Speaker 4: Never came back home.

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Speaker 5: And I know she was scared of whatever happened.

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Speaker 3: What do you mean because Tabitha was she was so little,

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Speaker 3: you know, if somebody took her, she wouldn't have been

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Speaker 4: She was tightening.

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Speaker 1: And who would have imagined that anyone would make off

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Speaker 1: barely get the clothes off straight and have a cup

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Speaker 1: of coffee. And why would you ever imagine that anything

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Speaker 1: It's True Crime Stories with Nancy Grace breaking their silence.

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Speaker 1: Tabitha's parents, her mother and father, are with us. We

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Speaker 1: are now following up on the details the details of

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Speaker 1: Tabitha's disappearance. Tabitha leaves that morning to go to the

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Speaker 1: bus stop and she's never seen again. What do we know?

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Speaker 1: To Sydney Summery joining usmonline dot com investigative reporter, Where

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Speaker 1: exactly did this happen?

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Speaker 2: Nancy? The tutor's home is in the thirteen hundred block

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Speaker 2: of Lillian Street. Tabitha's bus stop is just around the

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Speaker 2: corner at fourteenth in Biscobel, so she would take a

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Speaker 2: right from the house, head down Fourteenth and catch the

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Speaker 2: bus at Boscobol Street. This is where she was last

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Speaker 2: seen by several neighbors. Some do report seeing Tabitha cross

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Speaker 2: Buscobol Street heading towards fifteenth, but those sightings are not confirmed.

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Speaker 1: Well. The bus stop, as a matter of fact, my understanding,

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Speaker 1: Sidney Sumner is only zero point one mile away from

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Speaker 1: her home at fourteenth and Biscobul.

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Speaker 2: That's absolutely correct, Nancy. So Tabitha usually left the house

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Speaker 2: around seven fifty am when she was supposed to catch

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Speaker 2: the bus at eight am, so it gave her five

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Speaker 1: To Bo Tutors, isn't that correct? A straight shot to

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Speaker 1: the bus stop, yes, ma'am. She didn't have to go

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Speaker 1: It was very visible her pathway, correct, mister Tudors.

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Speaker 6: Yes, ma'am, Like like you said earlier, just a straight

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Speaker 6: shot to it. She come out of the house, went

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Speaker 6: to the right, went to fourteenth, took the right, and

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Speaker 6: top of the hill there was the.

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Speaker 1: Bus stop and there were other children there. I remember

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Speaker 1: my bus stop. The whole neighborhood was there. The elementary

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Speaker 1: there were other children there, correct.

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Speaker 5: Yes, ma'am. I believe they said it was the other

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Speaker 1: Yes, you know, Sidney Sumner, I've been looking into it

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Speaker 1: as we started researching the case and delving into the records.

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Speaker 1: There were other children there, correct, Sidney, Yes.

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Speaker 2: That is absolutely correct, And a boy who was waiting

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Speaker 1: Back to Mark class joining us. Mark, you and I

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Speaker 7: Sure, this is something I heard ten years ago at

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Speaker 7: National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. One third of

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Speaker 7: that incentses me about that, Nancy, is that that's a

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Speaker 7: they have never gone to Congress and said we need

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Speaker 1: To the family of Tabitha Tutor. You guys didn't understand

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Speaker 1: Is that correct, is ma'am? What happened miss Tutors?

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Speaker 3: She always comes home, she's at home by five or four,

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Speaker 4: And then I'll went to the school to see if

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Speaker 3: And I couldn't get nobody to the door, so I

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Speaker 4: So I walked around to the corner where they.

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Speaker 3: Were and heim the teacher and all the kids said

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Speaker 1: So it wasn't miss tutors until well on into the day,

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Speaker 1: Nobody would answer the door at the school. You had

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Speaker 3: I didn't know that she was in school today until

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Speaker 4: Might have missed the bus.

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Speaker 3: And then the custodian let me in, and I'll talked

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Speaker 1: What went through your mind when you found out she

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Speaker 3: I was scared myself and just worrying about where you

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Speaker 3: you know, we didn't know what to think because we

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Speaker 1: Mister Tudor's what went through your mind when you learned

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Speaker 1: Tabitha had never even made it to school.

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Speaker 6: The school should have called. You know, she worked for

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Speaker 6: should have called her and let her know that our

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Speaker 6: far beyond the point. But it just excured me. My

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Speaker 1: To Steve Fisher joining us Missing Persons Private investigator at

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Speaker 1: Search Investigations, dot org Stein, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: The first hours are so critical in a search, and

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Speaker 1: when we realized Tabitha left that morning at seven five

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Speaker 1: zero seven fifty a m. All those hours, nearly twelve

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Speaker 1: hours had passed. That's critical. Why is that so important?

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Speaker 9: The time is.

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Speaker 10: Critical because you know, as far as them getting ahead,

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Speaker 10: start getting further away from the last known location is

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Speaker 10: a critical thing. And also survivability. You know, when person's

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Speaker 1: Now you're so right, Mark class agree or disagree? Well?

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Speaker 7: Do I do agree? The statistics are pretty clear that

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Speaker 7: seventy four percent of children that are murdered as a

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Speaker 7: result of a predatory abduction will be dead within the

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Speaker 1: To Deborah and Bow Tutors, Tabitha's mom and dad. Had

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Speaker 1: Tabitha ever missed the bus before?

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Speaker 3: Yes, once, and she called me at work, and then

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Speaker 3: I came home and took her to school and went

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Speaker 1: How far away did you work, miss Tutors?

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Speaker 4: Probably not six miles.

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Speaker 1: So ten minutes, yes, ma'am. And mister Tutors, how about yourself?

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Speaker 5: Probably about seven eight miles.

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Speaker 1: Where do you work, miss Tutors?

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Speaker 4: I'm joeyelem Andrew.

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Speaker 1: And what do you do there?

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Speaker 4: Work in the cabeteria serving the tutor's food.

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Speaker 1: And mister Tutors, where do you work?

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Speaker 6: Well at the time, but tabitha disappearance, I would driving

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Speaker 1: That you were home the day she disappeared, correct, that morning?

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Speaker 5: Then I left about seven and headed to work.

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Speaker 1: So if she had missed the bus, she typically would

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Speaker 1: have gone home and called you and you would take

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Speaker 1: her one of you. Probably you missed his tutors. How

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Speaker 1: long was her walk to school if she had decided

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Speaker 4: Oh, it's pretty good ways.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so she would have called you.

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Speaker 4: Yes, ma'am, she would.

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Speaker 1: Have called you to get a ride. Okay, okay, guys,

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Speaker 1: this is not the first time by far that parents

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Speaker 1: causing is you can imagine in my line in a

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Speaker 1: business causing the unspeakable result? Does the name Aliana Defreese

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Speaker 1: ring a bell? Because I will never forget it.

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Speaker 9: Listen, My wife and I were watching a movie of

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Speaker 9: pick up Aliana? I said, no, we didn't pick her up.

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Speaker 4: If we would have picked her up, we would to

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Speaker 5: The day before.

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Speaker 9: Why what's going on? And she said she'd never made

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Speaker 1: When the moms and says, do you have Aliana? You

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Speaker 9: We were told that there was a glitch in the

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Speaker 9: do you have people sitting in offices every time I

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Speaker 9: go to the school. Why can't they directly call parents for,

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Speaker 9: you know, to do what they're supposed to do.

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Speaker 1: You're hearing me speaking with Aleiana's father, Damon. Aleanna had

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Speaker 1: left to go to school that morning as normal, just

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Speaker 1: like Tabitha. She was never seen alive again. To mister Tudors,

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Speaker 1: did you ever ask the school? Why didn't you tell

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Speaker 6: They said, We've asked them and they said that's something

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Speaker 6: they don't do.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So the head start that whoever took Tabitha got

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Speaker 1: is almost insurmountable. But it is not insurmountable. But just

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Speaker 1: think about it. Mark class sixty miles an hour. Every

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Speaker 7: Mile a minute. That's how fast your child can disappear.

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Speaker 7: Another reason that the timing is so important. Another reason

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Speaker 7: I would hope that that school changed their mindless policy

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Speaker 7: if kids don't come then?

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Speaker 1: Is there a break? Was Tabitha spotted getting into a car? Listen?

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Speaker 2: Nashville police canvassing the area receives several tips. Some neighbors

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Speaker 2: He described the driver as a black male thirty to

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Speaker 2: route similar to the boy's account. Jamie Tudor's ex boyfriend

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Speaker 2: sent in an alleyway. Frenzy, Tabitha would have never gone

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's analyze what we're hearing. I've looked very carefully

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Speaker 1: that story is that tracker dogs track Tabitha to about

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Speaker 1: what do you know about the validity of the eyewitness

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Speaker 3: You know, at this time, I really don't know what

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Speaker 3: madea you turned and then went back up with Tabatha end.

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Speaker 3: When she leaves the house and turns right at the

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Speaker 5: That alley and then her bus stop is at the top.

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Speaker 3: But where the boy is is where she was going

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Speaker 3: If the other two kids don't come, go to the

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Speaker 3: And that's what she did that morning.

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Speaker 1: So you think she passed her first bus stop and

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Speaker 5: From where he was at, he could see all the

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Speaker 1: Okay, another question right there? The tracker dogs, the tracker

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Speaker 5: Yes, ma'am.

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Speaker 1: To me, that's the very strong evidence, and to me

440
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:06,719
Speaker 1: that corroborates what he says. I still don't see how

441
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 1: he could tell who is driving from his vantage point,

442
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:14,160
Speaker 1: but the fact that the tracker dogs go to that

443
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 1: spot and then her scent ends is very powerful evidence.

444
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:21,679
Speaker 1: Mark Klass, what do you make of it?

445
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Speaker 7: This was certainly unscientific, but more than eighty percent of

446
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 7: the predatory abductions that occurred in cars happened within about

447
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:32,520
Speaker 7: a mile of a freeway on ramp or off ramp,

448
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:35,959
Speaker 7: So I think it's very telling, and I don't know

449
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 7: the geography here, but I would think that if this

450
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,399
Speaker 7: is not within just a mile or so of a

451
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,439
Speaker 7: freeway on ramp, this had to be somebody local.

452
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 2: J C.

453
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 11: Lee Duguard blocks up the hill toward her school bus stop.

454
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,639
Speaker 11: Jac's halfway up the hill when a gray mid sized

455
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 11: car with two people and do a U turn at

456
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Speaker 11: the bus stop and go back to where Jac is.

457
00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 11: The driver of the car, Philip Garrida, motions for Jac

458
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,400
Speaker 11: to come closer, and, thinking he needs directions, she complies.

459
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,679
Speaker 11: As Jac gets near the car, Garta rolls down his

460
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:08,640
Speaker 11: window and tases Jacey with a stun gun. Garrito's wife,

461
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:10,960
Speaker 11: Nancy gets out and drags Jace get into the back

462
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:11,640
Speaker 11: seat of the car.

463
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Speaker 1: The name J. C. Do Guard is known far and wide.

464
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:20,359
Speaker 1: Jac d Guard went on to live in a shed

465
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 1: of sorts in the backyard of her to abductors and

466
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 1: gave birth to two children by her kidnapper. In that shed,

467
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 1: her parents her family had given up hope of ever

468
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 1: seeing her alive again, but amazingly, she was rescued again.

469
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:49,920
Speaker 1: A child taken en route to a bus stop, en

470
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Speaker 1: route to school, en route home from school. It goes

471
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Speaker 1: on and on, and you just heard a disturbing statistic

472
00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 1: from Mark Class Victims' Rights Champion. One third of children

473
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:08,399
Speaker 1: who go missing stranger on stranger abduction occurs related to

474
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:13,400
Speaker 1: getting too or home from school. Joining me right now,

475
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 1: the parents of Tabitha Tutors. She goes missing on the

476
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:21,439
Speaker 1: way to her bus stop. Her typical bus stop was

477
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:29,679
Speaker 1: point one mile away from her home. There is another twist. Listen.

478
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 2: Tabitha's clothes, toilet, trees, and money were left behind. Tabitha

479
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 2: did not even take her backpack to school that day,

480
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 2: only carrying her signed report card with her. In Tabitha's

481
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 2: desk at home, police find several business cards with Tabitha's name,

482
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 2: phone number, and address on them, alongside a picture of

483
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 2: Winnie the Pooh. Her parents did not know Tabitha had

484
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 2: the cards and could not explain why she may have

485
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 2: had them. Investigators also discover a note reading TDT in mto.

486
00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 2: Detectives believe them to be initials TDT for Tabitha Din't Tutors,

487
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:02,879
Speaker 2: but MTL has never been identified.

488
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:16,160
Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace joining us in All Star panel.

489
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 1: I'm going to go now to doctor John Dilatory Psychologists

490
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 1: Mediator specializing in forensic psychology. Doctor Delatory, thank you so

491
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 1: much for being with us. I'm bringing you into the

492
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 1: discussion now because I wanted you to hear everything we

493
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:36,680
Speaker 1: know so far, and now we find out about this note.

494
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 1: It was a single piece of paper in Tabitha's room

495
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 1: that said TDT in caps in small mt L Tabitha

496
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 1: and in Tabitha in MTL. It must be nerve racking

497
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,239
Speaker 1: when you are trying to find your loved one and

498
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 1: then you find a note and by them by Tabitha.

499
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 1: You have no idea what it means. That ends up.

500
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 1: I've learned by victims families in victims families blaming themselves,

501
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 1: like who is MTL M mother t toy L love?

502
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:17,719
Speaker 1: Who is MTL?

503
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 2: Is it?

504
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 1: Anybody? Is this real? Does this have anything to do

505
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 1: with her disappearance? Why didn't I know? I'm her mother,

506
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 1: I'm her father. Teen girls can write anything in their diary.

507
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 1: That doesn't make it true.

508
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 12: No, it doesn't make it true. But she is entering

509
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 12: in that phase of life where she's going to start

510
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 12: having and wanting her own autonomy. And it's certainly possible

511
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 12: that MTL isn't the actual initials of a person. Maybe

512
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 12: it stands for my true love. Maybe it's possible that

513
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 12: Tabitha is starting to explore and think about what it

514
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 12: would be like to be in relationships with other people,

515
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 12: including romantic ones. There's all different kinds of things that

516
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 12: is going on within an individual that as parents, you

517
00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 12: probably have no idea are actually going on. For whatever reason,

518
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 12: Tabitha is keeping them a secret. Maybe she's not ready

519
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 12: to tell her parents yet. Maybe all of this is

520
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 12: fake and she doesn't want to be laughed at and ostracized.

521
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 1: Not a jelatory. But my children are in the fifth grade.

522
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 1: They came home and announced Katie has a boyfriend. It's

523
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 1: a little girl in their class. I'm like, what is

524
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 1: a boyfriend to you? No, no, no, They said Katie's dating somebody.

525
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, who is Katie dating since she's eleven years old,

526
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 1: and what does dating mean to you? And they went, oh,

527
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 1: it's somebody she talked to at school, so it may

528
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 1: mean nothing at all. She wasn't on the phone all

529
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 1: the time. Her room was ransacked. They looked at everything

530
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 1: with a fine tooth comb. There was no indication she

531
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 1: had a boyfriend. A boyfriend, hopeful.

532
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 12: Nothing, Well, it doesn't matter that it doesn't actually mean

533
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 12: anything in.

534
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 9: The real world.

535
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 12: It matters to her, right, all of this stuff matters.

536
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 12: It's important to her, or else she wouldn't have done it.

537
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 12: She seems to be a very deliberate a person who's

538
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 12: constantly thinking about what she needs to be doing and

539
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 12: how she's going to be happy with her life. So

540
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 12: she's not doing random stuff just to get in trouble

541
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 12: or something like that. She is very particular about stuff.

542
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 12: She is very sort of regimented and has a plan to.

543
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 1: Bo and debor tutors. As tutors, what does this little

544
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 1: note mean? It's no her initials and other initials. Does

545
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 1: it mean anything, you ma'am.

546
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 3: We don't know who the initials were, you know, because

547
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 3: Tabitha she didn't have a boyfriend, and she didn't really

548
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 3: talk to boys at all, you know, on the phone

549
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 3: or anything, like you said. At the beginning, she was

550
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 3: mainly just read to the neighbor next door. They older,

551
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 3: their lady, and that's about all she did.

552
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 4: So we don't know who the misters they are.

553
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 1: A source told me that on one occasion, Tabitha went

554
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 1: with one of her little friend girls to the library

555
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 1: and used the computer. Is that true?

556
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 4: Not?

557
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 3: In my knowledge, it's not true. But you know, she

558
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 3: was always home. Were very share of let her go

559
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 3: somewhere so that we didn't know where she was going.

560
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 3: She did go down to the cross the street to

561
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 3: a neighbor's house, but we could see her from the

562
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 3: back porch.

563
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 4: And I will call.

564
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 3: Them and let him know that she's on her way,

565
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 3: and I stand on the porch and he'll stand on

566
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 3: his porch until she gets there.

567
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 1: Mister Tudor, is Tabitha's dad is with us along with

568
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 1: her mom. What have you been told about the local

569
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 1: registered sex offenders?

570
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 6: They said they questioned them all and that some of

571
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 6: them are cleared and some of them are not. So,

572
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 6: you know, I don't know what that means that you

573
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 6: had to talk to the authorities about that, cause, you know,

574
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,120
Speaker 6: because you know, I don't know and I don't understand it.

575
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 6: But there was quite a few within a mile rates

576
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 6: of our house that we never knew until this happened.

577
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 1: To missus Tudor. At first LA law enforcement as a runaway.

578
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 1: Did you try to convince them she was not a runaway?

579
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 3: Well, I told them at the beginning when they said

580
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 3: that she was a runaway, and I told them that

581
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 3: she wasn't a runaway, and they said, well, how do

582
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 3: you know? You know, because they consider thirteen year old

583
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 3: kids runaways. But I know in my heart that she

584
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 3: did run.

585
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 1: Away again, losing valuable time by labeling her a runaway.

586
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 1: She had never run away from home. For Pete's sake,

587
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 1: she slept at the foot of her parents' bed by

588
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 1: her own desire. To you, Miss Tutors, what is your

589
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 1: message today?

590
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 4: Well, today is if anybody.

591
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 3: Knows anything, just please come forward, you know, and let

592
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 3: us know what they know and where she might be.

593
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 3: I mean, if she's deceased, let us find where she's

594
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 3: at so we can put her to risk and we

595
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 3: have closure.

596
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 1: Mister Tudors, what is your message?

597
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 5: Just to.

598
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 6: Love you children conditionally, because you don't never know when

599
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 6: something like this is going to happen to anybody, and

600
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:23,240
Speaker 6: I don't wish this heartbreak on any parents out there.

601
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:30,800
Speaker 1: Miss Tutors. Tabitha went missing April twenty nine, two thousand

602
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 1: and three. Do you still think about her every single day?

603
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 3: Yes, ma'am. We talk about her every day with the

604
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 3: Green Kids and even out in public when I go

605
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 3: somewhere as somebody has stopped me and they tell me that,

606
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,879
Speaker 3: you know, they still have table in their prayers and

607
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 3: and everything.

608
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 4: You just tell me to be strong.

609
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I still have hope that one day she

610
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,319
Speaker 3: will come home or we will find or.

611
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 1: What about it, mister Tutors.

612
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 6: You know we talk about her every day. And our

613
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 6: grandchildren that was born after Tabatha come up missing. You

614
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,359
Speaker 6: showed them a picture of Tabitha and you ask who

615
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 6: that is. That's my aunt Tabitha. Somebody took her when

616
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 6: she was little. You know they've been talked that way.

617
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 1: When you say you talk about her every day, what

618
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 1: do you talk about.

619
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 5: The memories that we have of her? And what would

620
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:31,760
Speaker 5: she be like now? Whatever?

621
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 1: What memory in your mind is the most vivid, mister Tudor.

622
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 5: Oh, there's a bunch of them.

623
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 6: Is just uh. We went to Gatlinburg one year on

624
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 6: vacation and then we went to his zoo of her

625
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 6: in a little billy goat was coming at her and

626
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 6: she she she just froze and they had tears and

627
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 6: eyes that secured her so bad. But after it happened,

628
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 6: we told her that everything was all right, and she

629
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 6: started laughing about it, and just a lot of memories

630
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:05,359
Speaker 6: that we have of her.

631
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 1: This little girl was so timid, she was afraid of

632
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 1: a billy goat. What is your most vivid memory of Tabitha,

633
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 1: Miss Tutors.

634
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 4: You know, My memory of Tabia was this happy little

635
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 4: girl at.

636
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:24,760
Speaker 3: Thirteen, you know, and then she just disappeared. And then

637
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 3: I still have my memories of her. They won't ever

638
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 3: take them. We miss our daughter and we wish she

639
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:32,959
Speaker 3: was back home.

640
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:38,320
Speaker 1: I do too, Miss Tutors. If you know or think

641
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 1: you know anything about missing Tabitha Tutors, she has now

642
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 1: been missing over twenty years, contact Memphis tip line nine

643
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:57,240
Speaker 1: zero one seven four seven four to three zero zero

644
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 1: repeat nine zero one one seven four seven four three hundred.

645
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:10,840
Speaker 1: We stopped to remember American hero Florida Trooper Zachary Fink,

646
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 1: just twenty six, dying in a crash pursuing a suspects vehicle.

647
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 1: He has survived by his grieving mother, father, and loving fiance.

648
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 1: American hero Trooper Zachary Fink. Thank you to all of

649
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 1: our guests being with us. Thank you to all of

650
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,879
Speaker 1: you for joining us tonight and every night. Nancy Gray

651
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 1: signing off, goodbye friend,