1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:01,320 Speaker 1: Ron Anian. 2 00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 2: We had a Kia owner come in this week and 3 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 2: you know we haven't seen them in quite some time, 4 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 2: and it was nine thousand miles overdue for its last 5 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 2: oil change. Wait, it comes to Nikai. 6 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 3: Hikeia the car Doctor. 7 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:32,959 Speaker 2: The usual normal, real world due diligence maintenance. How much 8 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:33,880 Speaker 2: of that have you done? 9 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, at one hundred thousand miles. 10 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:38,519 Speaker 2: I had them do spark plugs. 11 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:39,880 Speaker 3: School and transmission. 12 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:44,559 Speaker 5: Okay, sipping bell got the received here, Yeah, hoping. 13 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 6: To keep them. 14 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:46,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, you've done your due diligence. 15 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:49,920 Speaker 1: Welcome to the radio home of ron Ananian, the Car Doctor. 16 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: Since nineteen ninety one, this is where car owners the 17 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 1: world overturned to for their definitive opinion on automotive repair. 18 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 1: If your mechanics giving you a busy, pick up the 19 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 1: phone and call in. The garage doors are. 20 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:06,399 Speaker 2: Open, but I am here to take your calls. At 21 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 2: eight five five five six ninety nine. 22 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:12,639 Speaker 1: Hundred and now pee running. 23 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 2: Hey, another great hour of order repair by radio. As 24 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 2: we like to say, down around the bottom of the hour. 25 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 2: Uncle Steve will making an appearance with us today as 26 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:23,759 Speaker 2: it is Memorial Day and we step out of character 27 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 2: today for those of you knew to the show. Uncle 28 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:28,039 Speaker 2: Steve was my father's brother who was a PEA fifty 29 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 2: one fighter pilot, sixty three combat missions, Medal of Vassar. 30 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 2: I never really told you guys that story, but got 31 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 2: the Medal of Vassar from Sweden at the end of 32 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 2: the war, which I'm not really quite sure the whole 33 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 2: story behind that. I think it had something to do 34 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:41,400 Speaker 2: with they'n't want him to go out flying anymore, so 35 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 2: they made him part of an awards ceremony to keep 36 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:45,319 Speaker 2: him grounded for a while, because he just loved to fly. 37 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 2: He was always sneaking off the There's a lot of 38 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 2: stories about Uncle Steve, and I still think the one 39 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 2: about flying under the Eiffel Tower has some truth to it, 40 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 2: because every once in a while you find somebody that says, 41 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 2: I think I saw that they were a little kid 42 00:01:57,760 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 2: in France. I can't tell you how many how many 43 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 2: French people we've met that have said something about that, 44 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 2: so where their grandfather told them the story or some other. 45 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 2: So Uncle Steve was a character, but God bless him, 46 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 2: may he rest in peace. But he's with us down 47 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 2: around the bottom of the hour. And then we got 48 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 2: a great interview there. So in between then and now, 49 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:16,119 Speaker 2: let's do some car repair. Where am I going? Tom? 50 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:19,919 Speaker 2: I going to one, Let's go to two one. Tom 51 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 2: wants me to go to one. Let's go to Steven 52 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 2: Maryland and Steve. Welcome to the car doctor, sir, How 53 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 2: can I help? 54 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:31,080 Speaker 6: Hi? Rona, You have a fantastic show, and I appreciate 55 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 6: your unbiased information that you give that to all of us. 56 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:36,359 Speaker 2: We're trying, brother, Thank you very much. 57 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 6: I've got a twenty thirteen Tacoma, Okay, Toyota Tacoma, right, 58 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 6: and it's got thirty eight thousand miles on it, and 59 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:55,119 Speaker 6: it's eleven years old. And there's nothing in the maintenance 60 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 6: manual that came with a car about changing the break fluid, 61 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 6: nothing from beginning to end. 62 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 2: And because it lasts forever, don't you know that none 63 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 2: of the stuff ever needs to be fixed. I'm surprised 64 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 2: dealerships even have service departments anymore. Cars are so perfect. 65 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 2: So what's your question? 66 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:22,360 Speaker 6: All right? Well, I'm right now. Today I started bleeding 67 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:25,959 Speaker 6: the break the brake lines. I started at the right 68 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 6: rear brake drum, and the fluid that I drained out 69 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 6: is crystal clear, right, And The fluid in the master 70 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 6: cylinder was originally almost crystal clear, but now it's got 71 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 6: a little bit of an amber color to it, a 72 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 6: little bit. Yeah, fresh dot F fluid. And I used 73 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 6: a clean Turkey based and I sucked the old fluid 74 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 6: at as best as I could, and I put fresh 75 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 6: fresh dot M fluid in. Okay, and I started leading 76 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 6: it and like I said, the fluid's clear. I just 77 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 6: wanted your opinion on that should I continue with the 78 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 6: other three locations, or that I that I screw up 79 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 6: by opening up the system now. 80 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 2: But here's how I want you to do it, all right, 81 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:22,040 Speaker 2: Because understand, break fluid is hygroscopic. It absorbs moisture anywhere 82 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 2: from two to four percent a year on an annual basis. 83 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 2: So you may see discoloration, you may not, but it 84 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 2: can be proven where you know, break fluid starts to 85 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 2: become displaced by moisture, and you've got to worry about 86 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:38,599 Speaker 2: that moisture content. How how good of a brake pedal 87 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:40,919 Speaker 2: will give you in the event that you needed, like 88 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 2: you know, a perfect pedal, but also the damage being 89 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 2: done by moisture inside the brake system. To some of 90 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 2: the components of the anti lock brake controller, for example. 91 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 2: But here's here's how. And then the other thing, and 92 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 2: I'll explain this in a minute. The other thing that 93 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:57,039 Speaker 2: doing a break flush does is it moves all the hydraulics. 94 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:00,479 Speaker 2: So bleeding is good. But I I want you to 95 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:02,480 Speaker 2: do a flush. And here's how I want you to 96 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 2: do it. All right, you know, I want you to 97 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 2: get a probably a good sized plastic container. You know 98 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 2: the size of that bottle. What did you get a 99 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 2: quart bottle of the Dot four break fluid? 100 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 6: Yes? I did, And I have a flexible tube on 101 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 6: the nipple of the right rear brake cylinder, and my 102 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 6: wife operates the brake pedals until the fluid is clear. 103 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 6: But I like this, that's the way I used to 104 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:35,600 Speaker 6: do it. 105 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 2: I like this weekend date order repair together. So this 106 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:41,920 Speaker 2: is good. So here's what I want you to do though. 107 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:43,360 Speaker 2: I want you to put a little bit of fluid 108 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:46,360 Speaker 2: in the bottom of a similar sized container. Give me 109 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:48,919 Speaker 2: an inch, put a rubber, take a piece of rubber, 110 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 2: vacuum line or whatever you're using. Drop that into the fluid. 111 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 2: The first two or three strokes are going to produce 112 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 2: air bubbles. Once you get done getting all the air out, 113 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 2: and you want to make sure you don't back off 114 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 2: the bleeder too far because it will suck air past 115 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:06,920 Speaker 2: the threads. Depending upon how they're ceiling, you may want 116 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 2: to take the bleeder out all the way, put a 117 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 2: deb of wheelbaring grease in there and put it back in. 118 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:13,160 Speaker 2: That'll seal up the threads so it doesn't draw air, 119 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:15,600 Speaker 2: and then put the hose on the end of the 120 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 2: bleed and bleed through five or six good strokes per 121 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 2: per wheel. All right. What you're doing is you're not 122 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 2: just bleeding, you're also moving all the hydraulics. All right. 123 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 2: You just happen to have a vehicle with fairly clean fluids, 124 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 2: so you're not seeing a benefit to it. But believe 125 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 2: it or not, you're you know, you're Instead of the 126 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:38,679 Speaker 2: visual appeal, it's what you don't see, you're actually moving 127 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:41,040 Speaker 2: all the hydraulics, the little valves inside the antiello like 128 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:43,839 Speaker 2: brake controller. You're going to push all the crud out 129 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 2: past the caliber pistons. And if you do it, and 130 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:48,840 Speaker 2: it takes a while, it could take up to an hour, 131 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 2: all right, and you're gonna have nice clean fluid all 132 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:55,720 Speaker 2: the hydraulics have been rejuvenated, so to speak, and all 133 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 2: the moisture has been dispelled from the system visa V 134 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 2: getting rid of the brake fluid. And that will if 135 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 2: you even come out with just as good a pedal, 136 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 2: if you call me back next week and say wrong, 137 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 2: my pedal feels just like it did before. Moisture's out 138 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 2: of the system, whether you realize it or not. And 139 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 2: that's the big that's the big problem. That's the big 140 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:15,559 Speaker 2: reason why we do or one of the big reasons 141 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 2: why we do break fluid. If you ever look at 142 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 2: heavily discolored break fluid, it's got a very high moisture content, 143 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 2: sometimes as high as eleven percent. So that's that's one 144 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 2: of the reasons why you want to do that. 145 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 6: Okay, And you said to put I've got a uh 146 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 6: an empty dawn dish soap bottle that's empty, and I 147 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 6: got the I got the clear plastic two going down 148 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 6: into that. But you're saying I should put about an 149 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 6: inch of fluid in there. Yeah, so that bubbles. 150 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 2: Then, yeah, you want to be able to see the bubbles. 151 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 2: And you got to realize when she strokes the pedal down, 152 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 2: that's going to push the fluid out, obviously, and then 153 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 2: when she releases the pedal, she's going to draw a 154 00:07:56,840 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 2: clean fluid in. It's it's it, you know, yeah, I know, 155 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 2: I know you're going to say, well, I'm pushing dirty 156 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 2: fluid in. What how can it be? I'm pulling you know, 157 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 2: fresh fluid back in. You do to some degree, but eventually, 158 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 2: in time you're pushing enough fluid out that you overcome that. 159 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 6: All right, okay, well what I've what I've been doing, 160 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 6: I do it a little differently. I opened the I 161 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 6: open the uh, the the fitting on the rear brake cylinder, 162 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 6: and then she pushes down the pedal and when she's 163 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 6: down at the bottom, she tells me when the bottom's out, 164 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 6: then I close that that uh, that fitting, right, and 165 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 6: then I let her pedal back up, so that way 166 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 6: I'm not pulling anything back into the system. 167 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 2: Well, if you do it with the hose in brake fluid, 168 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 2: after the first two or three strokes, all you're going 169 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:51,440 Speaker 2: to be pulling back into the system is fluid. But 170 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 2: it's only going to pull it up as far as 171 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 2: the length of the hose. And if you use it, 172 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:57,959 Speaker 2: if you use a little bit of a longer hose 173 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 2: with a curly queue in it. All right, it's going 174 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 2: to be harder for it to pull contaminated fluid back up. 175 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 2: But over time, listen, we'll sit there in the shop. 176 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 2: We'll do as much as ten to twelve strokes per wheel, 177 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:13,359 Speaker 2: all right, there's no there's no rule. And then obviously 178 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:15,839 Speaker 2: after we do the backs, like, we'll do both rears, 179 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 2: depending upon how many times we stroke the pedal. You know, 180 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:21,080 Speaker 2: we'll obviously check the master, make sure the master is good, 181 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:23,680 Speaker 2: and then you know, go go up to the front 182 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 2: and work our way there. Now, you know, doing a 183 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 2: break flush, you may want to start with the left 184 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 2: front wheel because that's the shortest path to the master. 185 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 2: But if your master is clean like you're describing, you 186 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:38,959 Speaker 2: won't see much benefit from it. But I just want 187 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 2: to point out if this was a very dirty master, 188 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:44,199 Speaker 2: rather than push all the fluid to the back of 189 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 2: the vehicle, I would push it out through the front 190 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 2: as fast as I could, and as you're refilling, the 191 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 2: master gets cleaner and cleaner and cleaner, and then you know, 192 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 2: work my way to the back. I would go. I 193 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 2: would actually do left front and then work my way 194 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:58,719 Speaker 2: to left rear and just work around the vehicle in 195 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:03,440 Speaker 2: a clock or a counterclockwise rotation, you know. 196 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 6: Okay, you know. 197 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:06,200 Speaker 2: The idea is I'm getting dirty fluid out of the 198 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 2: front first. But in your case, I don't think it's 199 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:10,679 Speaker 2: going to matter because your fluid doesn't sound like it's 200 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 2: that bad. It sounds like typical fluid from Toyota, and 201 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:16,439 Speaker 2: using dot four is fine. It's just got a higher 202 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 2: boiling point. So let's let's pedal. 203 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 6: One other thing. I used a turkey baster to suck 204 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 6: the original fluid out. Okay, but it looks like there's 205 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 6: a bulkhead in there because it looks like the back 206 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 6: half of the cylinder still has fluid in it, right, 207 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 6: so a different color. 208 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you can't get yeah, you get that out, 209 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 2: you can't. Well, what's going to happen is eventually, when 210 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 2: you work your way around the vehicle, the back half 211 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:45,199 Speaker 2: of the master is probably front break. So as you 212 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 2: work your way around the vehicle, that's eventually going to 213 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:49,319 Speaker 2: go down. So you've got to make sure when you're 214 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:51,839 Speaker 2: filling it, you overfill the front to have it bleed 215 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:53,680 Speaker 2: over the side of that bulkhead and get to the rear. 216 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 2: Compartment of the master. 217 00:10:56,280 --> 00:11:00,679 Speaker 6: Okay, all right, all right, so i'll you've probably done 218 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 6: more than twelve strokes on the right rear and the cylinder. 219 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:10,959 Speaker 6: The fluid and the master cylinder didn't go down that much, right, so. 220 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 2: You didn't get that much fluid out. Like I said, 221 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:15,440 Speaker 2: you didn't get that much fluid out, So listen, you 222 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 2: can't overbleed it. And just for the record, Steve, as 223 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 2: long as you're doing break fluid, consider doing any of 224 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:23,960 Speaker 2: the other fluids that haven't been done. It's eleven years 225 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:27,839 Speaker 2: old at this point. I always worry about moisture and condensation. 226 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 2: If nothing else, I'm taking out clean fluid, putting fresh 227 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 2: fluid in. I'm appraising the condition of things. But you know, 228 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 2: it's a good time of the year or a good 229 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 2: time in the point in the life of the vehicle. 230 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:41,200 Speaker 2: Change if it's wet, replace it, it's time coolant, break 231 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 2: trans transfer case diffs. You know, everything gets moisture contaminated 232 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 2: over time, and it's not the worst time to be 233 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 2: considering doing it. So, but starting with break fluid is 234 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 2: a great place to be at this point in the game. 235 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 2: If you need more, I'm here a five to five, 236 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 2: five six zero nine nine zero zero. Run eating the 237 00:11:57,760 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 2: car doctor. I'll be back right after this. 238 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:12,440 Speaker 7: Whether it's a little red Corvette or you go. You've 239 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 7: come to the right place to get that car fixed. 240 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:17,080 Speaker 7: Ron and Andy in the car doctor eight five five 241 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:20,960 Speaker 7: five six zero nine nine zero zero. Now back to Ron. 242 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:23,319 Speaker 2: Hey, let's get over to John and Virginia. John, Welcome 243 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:24,680 Speaker 2: to the car doctor, Sir, how can I help? 244 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:26,960 Speaker 4: Hey? Ron? 245 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 5: How you doing all right? 246 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 2: Mom? 247 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 5: My wife wants me to say hi to your screener Tom. 248 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:34,320 Speaker 5: They used to work together at WLR Radio some years ago. 249 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 2: Okay, I'll let him know. So what was What's what's 250 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 2: your wife's first name? 251 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 4: Bobby? 252 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 2: Okay, Tom got that, so he shook, He shook his head. Yes, 253 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 2: he knows who that is. So how can I help 254 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:49,320 Speaker 2: you today? 255 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 4: So? 256 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 5: I have a possessed two thousand and six Chrysler PT Cruiser, okay, 257 00:12:56,679 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 5: with low miles seventy one thousand miles on it. The 258 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 5: car is in beautiful condition. It's like like it rolled 259 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 5: off the showroom floor. 260 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:07,599 Speaker 2: I always gett nervous. I always getting nervous when the 261 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 2: conversations start out with my beautiful low mileage seventy one 262 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 2: thousand PT cruiser. And I know there's a butt coming, 263 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 2: so go ahead. What's the butt? 264 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:21,200 Speaker 5: Oh, let's say this. When it runs, it runs fantastic. 265 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 2: But you see how that that word was meant for 266 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:26,439 Speaker 2: a PT Cruiser, because but. 267 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:29,200 Speaker 6: Go ahead, yep. 268 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 5: So the problem is the car will start, run, drive 269 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:42,840 Speaker 5: just fine, bring it home, shut it off, come out 270 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:44,560 Speaker 5: two hours later. Turn the key. 271 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:45,440 Speaker 4: Nothing. 272 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:50,839 Speaker 5: Everything else in the car works, just no crank. 273 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 2: Dash, you have dash lights, everything as if it were 274 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:56,199 Speaker 2: going to start, as. 275 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 5: If it were if if we're going to start, everything 276 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 5: lights up. There's no warnings, buzzers, no bells. It just 277 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 5: did nothing. Okay, but everything else works, right adio? 278 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 2: Are you using Are you using the same key? 279 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 6: Yes? 280 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 2: All right? 281 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 5: I only have one key for it. 282 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 6: All right? 283 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 2: Perfect? Oh boy, you like living on the wildside. Well 284 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:18,960 Speaker 2: you own a PT Cruiser, you must like living on 285 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 2: the wild side. So that being said, yeah, you know what. 286 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 2: They were neat little cars. It's just working on them 287 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 2: sometimes as a chore. I've stuffed a couple of timing 288 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 2: belts in those, and I've done the time and cover 289 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 2: updates from Chrysler, and they were just like you know, 290 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 2: it was ten pounds of bologney in a five pounds sack. 291 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 2: You just sat there and said, my god, how did 292 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 2: they fit all that in? 293 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 5: Horrible Yeah, the horrible job. 294 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 2: So anyway, so. 295 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 4: Here's the good. 296 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 6: The caveat about this. 297 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 5: If I leave the car alone for some random period 298 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 5: of time, like it sat out there. It sat out 299 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 5: there in our yard now for probably two months dead. 300 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 5: I walked out there the other day. Turn key. It 301 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 5: started right out, ran beautiful, okay, drove it around the 302 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 5: yard a little bit, parked it, shut it off. Turn 303 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 5: the key. 304 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 6: Nothing right. 305 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 5: If I hold the key in the start position, the 306 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 5: starter will kick like it wants to start, like it 307 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 5: wants to crank, but it'll just kick, and it'll kick 308 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 5: repeatedly if I hold the key. 309 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 2: So it's a chatter, not that quickly. 310 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 5: No, it's just like boom, boom boom. 311 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 2: All right, now there's more go ahead. 312 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 5: Well, we've been down the starter route. The starter's been out, 313 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 5: it's been bench tested, it's been replaced with a different starter. 314 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 5: The starter relays have been gone through the crank position, sensor, 315 00:15:57,160 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 5: ignition switch, the little act way to rod that runs 316 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 5: between the key cylinder and the ignition switch that's been replaced. Okay, 317 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 5: I'm lost. I pulled, I pulled apart all the grounds 318 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 5: that I can find under this in the engine compartment, 319 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 5: cleaned them all, put them all back together. 320 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 2: You know that brown wire at the starter solenoid, there's 321 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 2: a brown wire that feeds the starter solenoid. Right as 322 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 2: laborious as it sounds, I want you to wire in 323 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 2: a one ninety four side marker bulb, and I want 324 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 2: you to put it inside the car. All right, So 325 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 2: you're gonna cut that wire, you're gonna put or you're 326 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 2: just gonna put a bear spot on the wire and 327 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 2: just solder somehow connect a wire to that run a 328 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 2: one ninety four bulb inside the passenger compartment ground the 329 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 2: other leg of the one ninety four bulb. Every time 330 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 2: you crank the vehicle and the closure of the starter 331 00:16:56,120 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 2: relay is successful, that bulb will light correct. Yeah, all right. 332 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 2: What I'm looking for is when it goes into this 333 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:10,119 Speaker 2: cranking condition, is that bulb pulsing or does that bulb 334 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 2: stay bright? If that bulb is constant lit and you're 335 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:16,719 Speaker 2: telling me the starter is kicking in and out and 336 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:18,639 Speaker 2: in and out, then I'm going to tell you to 337 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 2: go to the stud where the battery cable comes down, 338 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 2: and I want you to measure vaultage drop across the 339 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 2: positive battery cable. Do we have a cable that's corroded internally, 340 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 2: particularly at the battery end. Hmm, right, that's the thought 341 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 2: because for all the for all the parts that everybody's 342 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 2: changed here, nobody's nobody's tested anything, because you know, we 343 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 2: don't want to spend money on diagnosis. 344 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:54,679 Speaker 5: I looked at the cables going from the from the 345 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:57,399 Speaker 5: battery to the starter and from the relays down to 346 00:17:57,440 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 5: the starter, and I would I was thinking that there 347 00:17:59,880 --> 00:18:02,919 Speaker 5: was some sort of corrosion internally. You would see a 348 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 5: good bulge in the cable or something. 349 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:08,439 Speaker 2: You might look a place you might But rather than guess, 350 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 2: let's do some testing. Brown wire one ninety four side 351 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 2: marker Volta has dropped the positive cable. What do you 352 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:18,160 Speaker 2: get there? And then we can talk further. This could 353 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 2: be a problem with the skin, with the security module. 354 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 2: There's some other conversations to have, but let's do some 355 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:27,159 Speaker 2: basic testing first. I'll expect to hear back from you 356 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 2: in the next week or two. Good luck, keep me posted. Hey, 357 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:31,919 Speaker 2: coming up next, Uncle Steve, my father's brother. What can 358 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:35,360 Speaker 2: I say God bless him. And here's another story from 359 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:37,479 Speaker 2: the great beyond, Uncle Steve. In p. Fifty one, What 360 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 2: Memorial Day is all about. I'm Ron an Aye and 361 00:18:39,600 --> 00:19:07,439 Speaker 2: the Car Doctor. We'll be back right after this. Welcome 362 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 2: back to the Car Doctor, Ron and Anyan here. You know, 363 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:12,679 Speaker 2: this next segment really doesn't have a lot to do 364 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:16,920 Speaker 2: with cars. It's Memorial Day weekend and when we can, 365 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 2: as we're allowed, we try to sneak out and talk 366 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 2: to Uncle Steve, Stephen and Anie, and he's my uncle. 367 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:25,160 Speaker 2: It's always a pleasure to talk to him. I don't 368 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 2: get to talk to him as much during the course 369 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 2: of the year, so this is a different kind of 370 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:31,159 Speaker 2: a long distance phone call. And it's always fun to 371 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 2: have Uncle Steve here, ninety one years young as we 372 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 2: talk to him about Memorial Day, world War two, and 373 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 2: things may be not so car related, Uncle Steve. Welcome back, 374 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 2: Welcome to the Car Doctor. Sir. We love you. 375 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:47,160 Speaker 4: How are you doing all right? Love you too? Here 376 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 4: we are Memorial dayne ninety one? 377 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 2: Is it? 378 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 3: Well? 379 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:52,400 Speaker 2: You know, blame that on mom. Mom says ninety one. 380 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:56,160 Speaker 4: Well, I'm ninety and a half actually now, is. 381 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:56,679 Speaker 2: That what it is? 382 00:19:57,119 --> 00:19:57,479 Speaker 4: Yeah? 383 00:19:57,520 --> 00:19:59,119 Speaker 2: Well, let me ask you this, at ninety and a 384 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:01,959 Speaker 2: half or ninety one, if they called you up when 385 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 2: you could fit in the plane, would you go, oh. 386 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:07,160 Speaker 4: Sure, I flew in an eighty six last year. 387 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 2: Were you flying or just taking the rod? 388 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 4: But I was sitting in the backseat. I flew it 389 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:16,160 Speaker 4: for a while. 390 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, don't tell anybody, right, Well, no, I. 391 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:23,399 Speaker 4: Had a structor in front. So it's okay, you were okay, 392 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 4: it was legal. 393 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:28,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, right, But you know, ninety and a half or not. 394 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:32,119 Speaker 2: You were nineteen when you enlisted when the Japanese attacked 395 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 2: Pearl Harbor, and you knew what you had to do. 396 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:37,480 Speaker 2: And we've talked about it here on the show, and 397 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:40,359 Speaker 2: you know, we've talked about some of the other things 398 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 2: with regards to the story that you had written. Ramrod 399 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 2: to Munster. Can you just hit the high points for 400 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 2: the listeners real quick? 401 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:53,400 Speaker 4: Well, that was my first missions, and we were escorting 402 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 4: the bombers to Munster, and escorting bombers is called a 403 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 4: Ramrod mission. So on the way, I was flying over 404 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:09,920 Speaker 4: Holland on the over Heligoland actually, and that's the German 405 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 4: west point for anti aircraft gunners, and I got hit 406 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:18,119 Speaker 4: by one anti aircraft gun and I was hitting the 407 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:25,440 Speaker 4: supercharge of the aircraft and I flew my airplane, losing airplane, 408 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 4: losing oriol for about forty five minutes until I finally 409 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 4: had a bail out over the North Sea. And at 410 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:38,359 Speaker 4: that time there was gale warnings over the North was 411 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:44,880 Speaker 4: seventy five mile winds and ten foot waves and so 412 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:48,920 Speaker 4: but I bailed out, and I was in the water 413 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 4: for an hour and a half and I was rescued 414 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 4: by a British Air Sea Rescue flying boat and I 415 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 4: got back naturally, and I flew sixty three missions after that. 416 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:07,200 Speaker 2: Did you did you hesitate going up the second time? 417 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:09,879 Speaker 2: Uncle Steve? From what I From what I remember, they 418 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:12,119 Speaker 2: offered you a couple of days off leave up in London, 419 00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 2: and you said, heck, no, I want to go. 420 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 4: That's right. I went the very nice mission that they flew. 421 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 6: So no, I. 422 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 4: I was afraid when I flew, but as a fair 423 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:32,879 Speaker 4: my fear was not of getting killed, but I was 424 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,199 Speaker 4: afraid that screw up. I mean, that's this is what 425 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:40,679 Speaker 4: every pilot did. I mean, you you had to respect 426 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 4: what the enemy had to offer. But we knew we 427 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:50,639 Speaker 4: were better than them. So there was no big aggravation 428 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:54,680 Speaker 4: on that board. When we were we had men who 429 00:22:54,720 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 4: were on leave on D Day and they rushed back 430 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 4: to fly one of of them. Three. We flew three 431 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 4: missions on D Day and these men who were on 432 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 4: leaving London rushed back and got back and flew the 433 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:12,439 Speaker 4: last mission of the day just to be able to 434 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 4: do it. Yeah. 435 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, when you were up in the air and your 436 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 2: soil pressures dropping and you were at I forget the 437 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:23,200 Speaker 2: number twenty five thousand feet thirty thousand feet, how did 438 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:27,680 Speaker 2: you happen to have the clarity of mind to rock 439 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 2: the plane to splash oil up on the engine as 440 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,119 Speaker 2: it was losing oil pressure. I mean, what just what 441 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:32,879 Speaker 2: came over you? 442 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:39,679 Speaker 4: Well? Once, once I was hit, I mean I wasn't 443 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 4: you know this oriented or anything. I knew what was happening. 444 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:48,920 Speaker 4: I knew that I was loving. I was trying to 445 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 4: figure out what was wrong, and I figured I was 446 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 4: hit by in a supercharger, which meant that at lower 447 00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 4: altitudes I might have enough power to maintain flight, which 448 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,720 Speaker 4: I did when I got down to seven thousand feet, 449 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:11,160 Speaker 4: my air my aircraft had enough power to sustain flight, 450 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 4: or it was, but I was losing oil and in 451 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 4: order to cool the engine. I figured, there's all that 452 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:21,000 Speaker 4: oil is in the stump of the engine, you know, 453 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 4: So I just shook the flane violently to splashed the 454 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:29,480 Speaker 4: oil from the stump up onto the cylinder walls. 455 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:35,119 Speaker 2: Them two sixty two, Uncle Steve, one of the German jets. 456 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 4: The German jet. 457 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, you were, you were you You shot down a German 458 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 2: jet in combat, and that was that was really unprecedented 459 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,879 Speaker 2: then in terms of, you know, the differences between the planes. 460 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:49,919 Speaker 2: The two sixty two was obviously faster, but you figured 461 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 2: it out. I mean, how did you take You know, 462 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,120 Speaker 2: what mechanical advantage do you think the P fifty one 463 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 2: had over the two sixty two that enabled you to 464 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,199 Speaker 2: do that? Or you know, are you going to sit 465 00:24:58,240 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 2: here and tell me it was just a lucky shot. 466 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 4: The thing is the run that both the P fifty 467 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 4: one and THEE at six to two were limited to 468 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 4: the top speed by the speed of sound. We had 469 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:15,159 Speaker 4: not broken the sound barrier at that time, so the 470 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:19,440 Speaker 4: fastest they could fly was about six hundred miles an hour, 471 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,920 Speaker 4: which is the fastest that we could if we could, 472 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 4: but we didn't have the power. The P fifty one 473 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,679 Speaker 4: flew four hundred and seventy five miles an hour at 474 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:32,159 Speaker 4: top speed straight level, and so in the dive we 475 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 4: could fly five hundred and seventy five miles an hour. 476 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 4: In fact, the aircraft was a red line not to 477 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 4: fire the guns at that speed. So even though they 478 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 4: had a speed advantage, we had a maneuver very advantage. 479 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:51,879 Speaker 4: The pre fifty one was a highly maneuverable aircraft and 480 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:55,880 Speaker 4: we could out maneuver the P fifth, Theemy two six two, 481 00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 4: So that was our advantage over them. 482 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:04,639 Speaker 2: The time you were shot down over Stuttgart, can you 483 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:08,120 Speaker 2: talk about that real quick? I mean, what was what 484 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 2: was doing through your mind? 485 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:13,200 Speaker 4: There was a tank bank of battle going on at 486 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 4: the ground, and we were UH supporting our ground tanks 487 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 4: and uh I was hit by American tank, I think, 488 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:26,200 Speaker 4: and my UH in the carburettor and I lost power 489 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:30,239 Speaker 4: and a crash landed in the deserted field, and uh 490 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 4: there were German UH weremouths on the other side of 491 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 4: the field. And I had ran off into the woods 492 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,720 Speaker 4: after I set my airplane on fire, and I shot 493 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 4: a fire flare into the cockpit and I ran off 494 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 4: into the woods and I heard hid behind some bushes, 495 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 4: and I was able to evade capture and I woke up. 496 00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:01,439 Speaker 4: I actually I fell asleep in the shrubbery and I 497 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,879 Speaker 4: woke up when it was dark, and I walked in 498 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:09,119 Speaker 4: the dark towards American lines and I was able to 499 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 4: evade capture. 500 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:15,440 Speaker 2: Stuttgart isn't exactly around the corner from American lines, Uncle Steve, 501 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,119 Speaker 2: I mean it had to be one hundred miles. 502 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 4: No, well, I don't know exactly recall the distance, but yeah, 503 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:26,119 Speaker 4: it was. It took me three days, three nights. 504 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 2: And you hit out by day and traveled at night. 505 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:33,240 Speaker 4: Yeah. I woke up one morning and uh in the 506 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:35,920 Speaker 4: field that I was sleeping in, and I could hear 507 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:42,119 Speaker 4: some French being spoken. And I stood up and there 508 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 4: was a French farmer talking talking to an American soldier. 509 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,399 Speaker 4: And I raised my hands and I said, just for 510 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 4: the American And I was taken to UH Paris, which 511 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:06,200 Speaker 4: was quarters at the time, and I was interrogated because 512 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 4: at that time there were German Americans speaking English speaking 513 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:17,600 Speaker 4: Germans that were posing as American soldiers and their their 514 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:23,880 Speaker 4: their job was to try to assassinate Dwight Eisenhower, who 515 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,200 Speaker 4: is a general at the time, right right. 516 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,399 Speaker 2: Uncle Steve, stay put. We're gonna put you into a 517 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 2: second segment, if that's all right. I know we promised 518 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:32,760 Speaker 2: you only one, but we've got to hold you over. 519 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 2: It's it's just too much fun talking to you, and 520 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,879 Speaker 2: it's just too interesting. Stay where you are, Runnini and 521 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:48,400 Speaker 2: the car doctor. We'll be back right after this. Welcome 522 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 2: back running in the card doctor. Here with Uncle Stephen, 523 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 2: Ay and Steven and Aian First Lieutenant Stephen and Anian 524 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,600 Speaker 2: three thirty ninth Fighter Group, the five or five Fighter Group, 525 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 2: the eighth Air Force, World War two. As we always 526 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 2: we try to get ahold of Uncle Stephen and more 527 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,280 Speaker 2: real day and talk to him about some of the 528 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 2: things that happened during the course of the war, not 529 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 2: really automotive mechanical related, but just just a fun time. 530 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:09,600 Speaker 2: Uncle Steve, how are you? You're still there, sir? 531 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:10,960 Speaker 4: I'm still here. 532 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:16,160 Speaker 2: You know. I can't imagine walking three days home from Stuttgart, 533 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 2: Germany at night, but I guess that was the time, 534 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 2: right You did what you had to do to survive. 535 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, sure, and it just never became We were young, 536 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:30,440 Speaker 4: I mean, nineteen year old was walking is not that disico, right? 537 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure, although you know you say 538 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 2: it now like it's so nonchalant. But back then, to 539 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:40,480 Speaker 2: walk out of Stuttguart, Germany, back to French lines is 540 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 2: no simple task. The final flight. And I love this 541 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 2: story when you tell it, if I remember it correctly, 542 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:53,160 Speaker 2: the day and everybody was grounded, but you still went up, 543 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 2: didn't you. 544 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 4: Yes, and I registered. Everybody was ground and we were 545 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 4: were able to fly training missions and so forth over 546 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:04,280 Speaker 4: England itself. 547 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:06,720 Speaker 2: But you were just you just wanted to go for 548 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 2: one last ride in that plane before they sent you home. 549 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:09,960 Speaker 4: That's true. 550 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,440 Speaker 2: And do you remember anything specifically about it? 551 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:13,920 Speaker 6: Oh? 552 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:19,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, Well I was scheduled to leave the base about 553 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 4: twelve o'clock noon to fly up to Scotland to catch 554 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:29,040 Speaker 4: a boat back for the United States. And so I 555 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 4: got up about six o'clock in the morning, and after 556 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 4: well we all woke up that early, and I spoke 557 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 4: to the commanding officer, my squadron commander, and I said, 558 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 4: so I'd like to take the airplane up one last 559 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:46,520 Speaker 4: time with your permission, and he said, sure, go ahead, 560 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 4: he said, but just don't fool around, he says, I 561 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:54,560 Speaker 4: don't want any problems, you know, and my wingman, Tom Marvel, 562 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 4: he said I'd like to fly with him, so we 563 00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:02,680 Speaker 4: both took off and we flew. I had never flown 564 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:07,840 Speaker 4: over Paris, France, because Paris was an open city. So 565 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,800 Speaker 4: I flew to France. And when I got over Paris, 566 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:17,000 Speaker 4: I flew along the Chanseise with my wingman, flying my 567 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:20,560 Speaker 4: wing about fifty feet off the ground, and all the 568 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,600 Speaker 4: people were waving at us, and we were just smiling 569 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:28,240 Speaker 4: and laughing. And then we turned. At the end of 570 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:32,560 Speaker 4: the Schanzelese is the Pallet Deshaio, and I made a 571 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:36,080 Speaker 4: left turn and there's the Eiffel Tower. We haded towards 572 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,440 Speaker 4: the Eiffel Tower a buzz that and then flew back 573 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:43,480 Speaker 4: to London. Now, during the war you can fly over 574 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,920 Speaker 4: London because of the barrage balloons. But on v E 575 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:50,600 Speaker 4: Day the barrage balloons were down, so we flew over 576 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:57,640 Speaker 4: Trafalgar Square very low and spiraled upward over Lord Nelson's 577 00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:01,080 Speaker 4: statue and climbed up to twenty thousand feet, came back 578 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,480 Speaker 4: and we came back and landed where we landed by 579 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:09,600 Speaker 4: commanding officers. Jeep came RJ roaring up to my airplane 580 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:11,960 Speaker 4: and he jumped out and he says, what the hell 581 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:15,000 Speaker 4: you've been doing? I said, what's the matter, sir? He says, 582 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 4: the phone's been ringing off the hook about these red 583 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:24,720 Speaker 4: and white check and nos P forty sevens buzzing all 584 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:28,760 Speaker 4: over France and England. And I said that wasn't nice. 585 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 4: I said, we're flyve T fifty one. He says, bolgoney, 586 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:36,800 Speaker 4: He said, you could you know that those civilians don't 587 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,240 Speaker 4: know a P fifty one from a P forty seven. Yeah, 588 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,360 Speaker 4: but still yeah, I went to this eighty six and 589 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,640 Speaker 4: you're going to Scotland. So that was it. 590 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,840 Speaker 2: And that was it. Hey, real quick, uncle Steve, you 591 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:52,000 Speaker 2: know you name the plane baby Mine thirty seconds or less? 592 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:53,040 Speaker 2: How'd you come up with that name? 593 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 4: Uh? The Walt Disney's motion picture? 594 00:32:58,480 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 2: No no, no no, I don't want that. 595 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,000 Speaker 4: I'm bow in it. And he and that picture that 596 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:06,320 Speaker 4: that was the famous song, and that song used to 597 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:08,160 Speaker 4: go run through my head when I was flying. 598 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,000 Speaker 2: You have a way, mouncle Steve. That's the that's the 599 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,479 Speaker 2: family version. Wasn't there a story about when the girls 600 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,640 Speaker 2: and the bars in London would ask you, did you 601 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,520 Speaker 2: name your plane after me? And what did you tell them. 602 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,400 Speaker 4: That's right, I'd say I named it after you, baby, 603 00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 4: and they looked at me and say, oh, come on, 604 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:24,880 Speaker 4: I yank and I think I got a picture of 605 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,160 Speaker 4: my aeroplane and they believed. 606 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:28,360 Speaker 2: It and said it was baby mine. 607 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:28,960 Speaker 4: Uncle. 608 00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:31,200 Speaker 2: Uncle Steve is always it's a pleasure to talk to 609 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:34,080 Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to seeing you in June. And we've 610 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:35,720 Speaker 2: got to go right now. I really want to say 611 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:37,800 Speaker 2: thanks for taking the time, and it's just a whole 612 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:38,560 Speaker 2: lot of fun to talk to you. 613 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:38,920 Speaker 6: I love. 614 00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:41,200 Speaker 4: Can I say one thing, sure, I just want to 615 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:45,760 Speaker 4: thank all these people in the Service for protectives us 616 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:49,200 Speaker 4: and giving us the freedom that we judge and our 617 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:50,959 Speaker 4: prayers with all these people. 618 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:53,640 Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you, Uncle Steve. We'll see you soon. 619 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:55,920 Speaker 2: I'm running any in the car doctor. We're back right 620 00:33:55,920 --> 00:34:06,280 Speaker 2: after this, Jambo. Welcome back, Welcome back, Ronnie, any of 621 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,479 Speaker 2: the car doctor. You know, it doesn't matter how often 622 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:09,920 Speaker 2: we've heard the interview, and that was an older one. 623 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:11,920 Speaker 2: We haven't heard that one in a while. It's always 624 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:13,920 Speaker 2: good to hear from Uncle Steve. He was, you know, 625 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:17,360 Speaker 2: he was full of wisdom. He had and I guess 626 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:20,080 Speaker 2: you get that right, you know, you're you're nineteen twenty 627 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,360 Speaker 2: years old, you're up in the air, you're doing aerial combat, 628 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,840 Speaker 2: and you you gain a certain sense of perspective about 629 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,800 Speaker 2: the world. And I sat here listening to his interview, 630 00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:31,960 Speaker 2: thinking to myself, boy, it's ten years ago that we 631 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:35,440 Speaker 2: did this, and it's still timely today, right, the same message. 632 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:36,200 Speaker 2: It hasn't changed. 633 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:37,120 Speaker 4: You know. 634 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:40,360 Speaker 2: In my conversations with him, it was fascinating when he 635 00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:44,280 Speaker 2: would talk about the mechanical side, you know, as he said, 636 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:46,360 Speaker 2: you know, a P fifty one fighter plane was a 637 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,400 Speaker 2: high performance it was a high performance engine. It was 638 00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:50,880 Speaker 2: a high performance plane. You know, it would be like 639 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:52,799 Speaker 2: working on a corvette today. He would tell me that 640 00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:55,120 Speaker 2: at times, you know, Ronnie and he and he got 641 00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,959 Speaker 2: to use the word Ronnie, you know. He would say, 642 00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:00,480 Speaker 2: it's just something that was very particular, and it's not 643 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:04,640 Speaker 2: that they had heated hangers or hangers at all. He said. 644 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,279 Speaker 2: Most of the maintenance of the aircraft was done outside 645 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:11,560 Speaker 2: and all kinds of weather at night, in the dark flashlights. 646 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:14,200 Speaker 2: There was no you know, fancy lighting like we had today. 647 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:18,960 Speaker 2: Everything was done by flashlight. And I remember that after 648 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,440 Speaker 2: we had that first conversation when he told me flashlight 649 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,880 Speaker 2: in my father's toolbox, and I hadn't thought about this 650 00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,560 Speaker 2: for a very long time. In my father's toolbox. And 651 00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:31,120 Speaker 2: my father was lead mechanic American Airlines, worked on President 652 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,080 Speaker 2: Roosevelt's DC three and all that, but he did a 653 00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,279 Speaker 2: lot of maintenance and repair. He checked out the B 654 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,560 Speaker 2: seventeens going to England. That was his part in the war. 655 00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:42,000 Speaker 2: He had this grimy, old metal flashlight. I remember that 656 00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:43,680 Speaker 2: to this day, and I always wondered why he would 657 00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,040 Speaker 2: keep such an old, crummy looking thing around like that, 658 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:51,880 Speaker 2: and lo and behold it. You know, it was what 659 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,880 Speaker 2: it was, so you know, but anyway, that's that was pop. 660 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:56,960 Speaker 2: So I just want to remind you that it's been 661 00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:58,560 Speaker 2: a pleasure to be here with you, and we're glad 662 00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:01,080 Speaker 2: you guys enjoyed Uncle Steve. Until the next time, I'm 663 00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:04,000 Speaker 2: ronning Andy and the car Doctor, reminding you good mechanics 664 00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:06,520 Speaker 2: aren't expensive, they're priceless. See you