1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: Welcome to one Bills, like the hyperspace version of our 2 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:06,600 Speaker 1: daily show One Bills Live as we wedge in the 3 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 1: most Bills in NFL Talk weekend in forty minutes. Coming up, 4 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 1: it's our first Bills training camp episode where we talk 5 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:18,640 Speaker 1: sleepers on Buffalo's roster. I provide a top ten all 6 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 1: time undrafted Bills rookies list. Steve flexes his brain in 7 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 1: the Numbers game, and we asked our one burning question, 8 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:37,560 Speaker 1: someone ring the bell at a Steve taster who has 9 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 1: been all over the fields. Kind of unique. He was 10 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 1: kind of a dual role player for you, Steve, Steve 11 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:50,200 Speaker 1: a blimp. We're not even in the stratosphere of normalcy. 12 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 1: Welcome back to one Bills like Chris Brown here, Steve 13 00:00:57,160 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 1: Tasker there, and we were on a bit of a 14 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 1: summer high eightus. But we are back to our weekly 15 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:06,480 Speaker 1: schedule and training camp Report day for the Bills is 16 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 1: this coming week, first practice July twenty eighth, And obviously, 17 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 1: expectations are sky high after marching all the way to 18 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:18,959 Speaker 1: the AFC Title Game last year, so let's start there, Steve, 19 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:24,400 Speaker 1: what are realistic expectations for the Bills in twenty twenty one? 20 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:27,120 Speaker 1: I have. It's been a long time since we've had 21 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:33,039 Speaker 1: the opportunity to with a straight face say, you know, 22 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 1: sky's the limit, reasonably expectations deep run into the playoffs, 23 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: mirroring what they did last year with a chance to 24 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 1: go to the super Bowl. And you know, of course, 25 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:45,479 Speaker 1: once you get in the super Bowl eight win the thing. 26 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 1: It's it's not out of the realm of possibility. It's 27 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 1: not off the table. Everything's right in front of him. Now. Certainly, 28 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 1: there's only only probably about one to one point five 29 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 1: million things I could go wrong with that, Like there 30 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 1: is every team injuries, other team injury, whatever, other teams get, 31 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: catching fire, a bad bounce of the ball at the 32 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 1: wrong time in a close game. All of that stuff's 33 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:12,359 Speaker 1: on the table. But this is a team that has 34 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 1: a great roster. They've got great leadership, they have a 35 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 1: coaching staff that maximizes the talent that they have, and 36 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:23,919 Speaker 1: they have acquired a massive amount of talent on this team. 37 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:27,800 Speaker 1: In short, the back in the old days, we'd say this, guys, 38 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 1: they got some guys, and they got them on the 39 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:36,360 Speaker 1: coaching staff and the field in the right spots, and 40 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 1: they've got continuity, the acclimated getting acclimated to this program. 41 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 1: Not too many guys have to worry about that. Emmanuel Sanders, 42 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 1: He's not even a guy you're gonna depend on to 43 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 1: carry the load. He's gonna be a part of it. 44 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: That would be the only top guy that you'd say, Wow, okay, 45 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 1: he's got a acclimated Yeah, I'm telling you what, brownie. 46 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:58,360 Speaker 1: Yeah there. This is a team that every single time 47 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:00,679 Speaker 1: they line up to take the field against anybody, they're 48 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 1: gonna feel like they can win. Realistic expectations, the whole 49 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 1: kit and kabboodle, I mean, and nobody's gonna look at 50 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 1: you sideways if you say that about this team. Now, 51 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:14,359 Speaker 1: you're one hundred percent right in saying that there are 52 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:19,520 Speaker 1: negative variables that could take hold and compromise a team's chances. 53 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 1: We saw that last year with the San Francisco forty 54 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:24,919 Speaker 1: nine ers, a team that won the NFC title Game, 55 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 1: got all the way to the Super Bowl, didn't win it, 56 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:32,799 Speaker 1: high expectations. The following year, they get injury ravaged, Their 57 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 1: starting quarterback is out, and it's a mess for about 58 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 1: a two month stretch in the middle of the season, 59 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 1: and they're at of contention by November. So yeah, the 60 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 1: grim Reaper can show up pretty fast and rereak havoc 61 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 1: on your roster. We've seen it. It happens. But there 62 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 1: is depth on this roster that leaves me very encouraged. So, 63 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 1: you know, I look at that and I say, even 64 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 1: if some bad injuries crop up, as long as they're 65 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 1: not season ending variety, two month variety, I think they 66 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 1: have people in place to at least stem the tide 67 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 1: and not have such a dramatic drop off that they 68 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 1: can't compete in the way that they normally would on 69 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 1: a weekly week basis. And certainly the expectations are high. 70 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:23,719 Speaker 1: But and the Bills are not alone in the NFL 71 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 1: with high expectations. The Chiefs, the Browns, There's a lot 72 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 1: of teams, you know, the Baltimore Ravens, There's a lot 73 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:34,599 Speaker 1: of teams that have high expectations. Just in the AFC conference. 74 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 1: You know, Indianapolis has got to have sky high expectations. 75 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 1: They've got to feel good about Carson Wentz and Frank 76 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 1: Reich in the game that they gave the Buffalo Bills 77 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 1: here last year. The Browns, the Chiefs, all of these 78 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 1: teams at the top of the conference. And then there's 79 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 1: other teams who feel like they could get there if 80 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 1: things go well for them. And even if you know 81 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 1: you're sitting there looking at this, you know Jacksonville is 82 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:00,840 Speaker 1: going to take a step forward the you gotta think 83 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:02,920 Speaker 1: with Urban Meyer and a new program and the talent 84 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:06,280 Speaker 1: they've got at the quarterback spot, they feel good about 85 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:08,839 Speaker 1: what they can get done. There's always gonna be one 86 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 1: of these teams, a dark horse that jumps up. You know, 87 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:13,279 Speaker 1: one of these could be the Chargers. That's right, it 88 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 1: could be the Chargers. So it's it's gonna be a 89 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 1: lot of fun to watch. It's gonna be a lot 90 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 1: of fun to see this team in Buffalo take the 91 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 1: field and for the you know, for the first time 92 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:24,159 Speaker 1: in a couple of years, you're gonna have a full 93 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 1: stadium as well. It's gonna be in my opinion, in 94 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:33,920 Speaker 1: my prognostication mode, folks, it's gonna be a lot of fun. Yeah. 95 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 1: And while I think we both agree that the Bill's 96 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 1: roster will be a very hard one to make this season, 97 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 1: there are always a handful of players who end up 98 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 1: surprising everyone, including the coaching staff, and they make the 99 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 1: fifty three man roster when it was considered almost an impossibility. 100 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 1: We call them the sleepers, Steve. So if you had 101 00:05:57,320 --> 00:06:02,159 Speaker 1: to pick three players you would considers sleepers entering this 102 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 1: Bill's training camp. Who you feel have a shot at 103 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: a roster spot or at the very least a high 104 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 1: priority on their practice squad. Who's at the top of 105 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 1: that list for you a sleeper to make the fifty three? Yeah? 106 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 1: First on my list, I'm gonna go Antonio Williams. Okay, Wow, 107 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 1: that's an interesting one. And the reason why is because 108 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 1: of the numbers game that I think is going to 109 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:33,839 Speaker 1: be at work. There's right at the running back positionally hard, 110 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 1: no question about it. So are you anticipating he makes 111 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:40,479 Speaker 1: the roster because they keep five backs? No, I think 112 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 1: he does. I think he's one of the four. Yeah, 113 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:43,919 Speaker 1: I think he's one of them. So who he could be? 114 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 1: So hold on a second, Steve, I think that's the case. 115 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 1: Who is your odd man out? I think they don't 116 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:52,719 Speaker 1: come back with Devin Singletary, Zach Moss and Matt Brita, 117 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 1: So one of those three is not on this roster. 118 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 1: One of those three? Wow? Another one coming out with 119 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 1: the gatling guns the god everybody duck. Another surprise you're 120 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: asking these are dark Yeah, yeah, um another one I 121 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 1: think that is really gonna be has a chance. It's 122 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 1: not really a dark horse, Jake Kumero. Yeah, a wide receiver. 123 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 1: Wide receiver is really gonna be a tough spot to 124 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: get on the field. Now. But here's the thing Kumaro 125 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 1: proved last year. He works hard, He's got some physical skills. 126 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 1: He's a big dude, and he plays special teams that 127 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 1: runs a huge, big guy. He can run for a 128 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 1: big guy, and I think he has a spot. I 129 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 1: think they like what he brings to the table. The 130 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 1: last one and I'm teetering. I have Tommy Sweeney on here, 131 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 1: but he might not be a dark horse. A lot 132 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 1: of people might. He's forgotten man after forgotten me man 133 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 1: here last year with COVID and then a mile Karditis. Right, 134 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: So I'll say I could say Tommy Sweeney, but he's 135 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 1: not as much as a dark horse as the next guy. 136 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you. Okay, Cyrus to a tele whoa 137 00:07:54,800 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 1: offensive tackle six No State and aj Epines's cousin. Did 138 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 1: you know that he's aj Epiness's cousin to boot Well, 139 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 1: there you go. So I think I don't know if 140 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 1: that's going to help him make the roster. I think 141 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 1: I think at the very least, to a Tele can 142 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 1: make the practice squad and be a depth piece. Now 143 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 1: they've got offensive linemen everywhere and and behind everywhere. They've 144 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 1: got him up to play. They've got guys behind him 145 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 1: they can play. But I think Cyrus to a Tele 146 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 1: has got a chance. I think he's got a chance. 147 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 1: So there you go. There's those are your three. Here 148 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 1: are my three, Steve okay, number one, Jackie Anderson, the 149 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 1: seventh round pick. Okay, now I know you say a 150 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:45,319 Speaker 1: seventh round pick. Is he really a sleeper? I mean 151 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 1: they drafted the guy. Let's not kid ourselves here. The 152 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:52,439 Speaker 1: offensive line is extraordinarily deep. I think they had sixteen 153 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 1: offensive lineman in camp, and Anderson is behind a bunch 154 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 1: of guys who actually have time on the field right 155 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 1: for the Bills at the guard position. But this is 156 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 1: a kid who was a highly decorated guard just coming 157 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:07,199 Speaker 1: out of high school at a four year career at 158 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 1: Texas Tech. And this kid just looks like he was 159 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 1: born to play guard in football. And the early returns 160 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:19,960 Speaker 1: on him in the spring were very positive. Obviously, things 161 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:23,439 Speaker 1: could change when the pads go on. But I think 162 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 1: Jack Anderson is a polished technician who with a really 163 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 1: strong camp could unseat one of the backup lineman for 164 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 1: one of the top nine, maybe ten spots on the roster. 165 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 1: Like I see him pushing a guy like Ryan Bates. 166 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 1: I see him pushing that veteran Jordan Devy, guys like that, 167 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 1: And I think Anderson could find his way onto the 168 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:53,559 Speaker 1: back end of this roster as you know, the ninth, 169 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 1: maybe the tenth lineman to make the squat out of 170 00:09:57,520 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 1: Texas Tech. You know, he's gonna be able to throw 171 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 1: the foot pass set, which is what you better be 172 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 1: able to do. He had six five, three hundred pounds 173 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 1: plus he's kind of got the frame they look for. 174 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean he's got some physical traits and 175 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:13,320 Speaker 1: I get it. I get it. Some of these offensive 176 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 1: linemen are gonna emerge out of this. Yeah, because when 177 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:18,839 Speaker 1: you and this is one thing that Sean McDermott this 178 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 1: coaching staff does. They level the playing field. Let's see 179 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:24,559 Speaker 1: who rises at the top every training camp, every day 180 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 1: of practice. Level of playing field you gotta keep, you 181 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 1: gotta keep above that line if you want to keep 182 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 1: your job. And the thing about Anderson that I think 183 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 1: gives him the best chance is the fact that he 184 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 1: is so technically sound. You know, we think about the 185 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 1: move and the surge that Gabriel Davis made last year, 186 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 1: it's because he was a fundamentally sound player right first, 187 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 1: and then the fact that he could absorb and apply 188 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 1: everything like a veteran only enhanced his chances and he 189 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 1: had a major role on the team. I don't envision 190 00:10:57,760 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 1: that for Jack Anderson, but I think because he is 191 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 1: technically sound, fundamentally sound, that gives him a really good 192 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 1: chance to find his way onto the back end of 193 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 1: the roster. Number two for me, Steve and I don't 194 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 1: know if we really qualify him as a sleeper, but 195 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 1: I don't think a lot of people are talking about 196 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 1: him because of the attention for the other young players 197 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 1: at his position. But faobot it man like, this guy 198 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:23,959 Speaker 1: was a very under the radar signing. He's got some 199 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 1: time in the league, but nobody sees him as a 200 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 1: given on this roster. I just think he's a physical 201 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 1: specimen who I think offers some versatility to this defensive 202 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 1: front that's going to land him a roster spot. Even 203 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 1: though this this team is extraordinarily deep at end and 204 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:46,559 Speaker 1: has some proven players inside. I think I don't think 205 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 1: Koboda is a dark horse at all. Probably he's an 206 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 1: absolute all right, maybe I should pay somebody. I think 207 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 1: Obada will be on the groups we've played, the three 208 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 1: that I mentioned, the two that you've mentioned so far. 209 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:58,200 Speaker 1: He's the guy that actually is going to play and 210 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 1: have a role, Okay, every dawn, every Maybe I'm underselling 211 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 1: every game. I think the guy can go. We'll see, 212 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 1: but yeah, I'm with you on that. And then I 213 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 1: go to the secondary next, and I think a guy 214 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:13,560 Speaker 1: that's not getting enough attention is Josh Thomas, the safety 215 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 1: who was an undrafted rookie last year, spent all last 216 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:20,559 Speaker 1: season on the practice squad, and I think has really 217 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 1: made strides here entering year two. And while a lot 218 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 1: of people are high on Damar Hamlin at a pitch 219 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:29,439 Speaker 1: their sixth round pick, and I understand why, I think 220 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 1: Josh Thomas is right there, neck and neck with him 221 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 1: for that fourth safety role. And it's going to be 222 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 1: a very compelling competition, as exciting as fourth safety can 223 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:41,319 Speaker 1: get for you. And it really is probably going to 224 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:43,200 Speaker 1: come down to which of those two is better on 225 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 1: special teams to determine who the fourth safety is going 226 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 1: to be. But I just think he is a supreme athlete. 227 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 1: I like his instincts. I remember watching his college film 228 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 1: and I loved it. He was probably the undrafted signing 229 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 1: last year I was most excited about. And I think 230 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 1: in year two he's going to take another step. And 231 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:06,840 Speaker 1: I think he could flirt with a roster spot this year, 232 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 1: provided he has a strong camp. So we want to 233 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:12,560 Speaker 1: replace f a Obota, I'd throw Nick McLeod in there 234 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:16,079 Speaker 1: at the corner from Notre Dame was another undrafted signing. 235 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 1: I think if he shows well, there's a lot of 236 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:22,200 Speaker 1: unproven players at the cornerback position after Levi Wallace, Tredevious 237 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 1: White and Tarren Johnson, a lot of unproven guys. So 238 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 1: in that mix, if you can set yourself apart, you 239 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 1: can make this roster. You really can. Yeah, that's really 240 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 1: the only way you're gonna do it. And I like 241 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 1: Nick mcleoud skill sets. All throw him in and maybe 242 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 1: take f a Obotta out since he is You're right, 243 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 1: he's probably on the roster. He's not a sleeper really, 244 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 1: so that those are those are your names Jack Anderson, 245 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 1: Josh Thomas, Nick mcleoud, and I've got Jake Kumero, Antonio Williams, 246 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 1: and Cyrus Tuetle. There we go, all right, here we go. 247 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 1: That's it now. If any now, let's just say this, 248 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 1: if any of these players do in fact make the roster, 249 00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 1: what do you think is a realistic role for any 250 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 1: of these guys? Look at your three guys limited? Yeah, limited, 251 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 1: Jake Kumeroll come in with somebody twists an ankle like 252 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 1: last yame John Brown down. Even let's think about it 253 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:10,839 Speaker 1: when Josh Brown. When John Brown went down last year 254 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 1: and was struggling to get healthy, that's when Jake Umarroll 255 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 1: kind of elevated his play, kind of got up there 256 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 1: and we started seeing him on special teams, and then 257 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 1: finally he got in in the Denver game, and then 258 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 1: he was backed down after that. When when John Brown 259 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 1: kind of came back and got back in the mix. 260 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 1: When the when the injuries above that roster spot, yeah, 261 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 1: are in flux because of injuries. You see these guys elevate. 262 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 1: That's what will happen with Cyrus Tuetle, That's what will 263 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 1: happen with U. And now if Antonio Williams makes the roster. 264 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 1: That guy's going to carry the ball. He's not gonna 265 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 1: be a return guy or a special team guy. He 266 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 1: will be a little bit of that, but if he 267 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 1: is up and active, he's going to carry the rock, 268 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 1: all right. It was exciting and his bits and pieces 269 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 1: that we saw him in Week seventeen last year. Of course, 270 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 1: a one game showing does not a career make, but 271 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 1: we'll see where it leads this year. He definitely is 272 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 1: a sturdy or framed guy, and you know he'll run 273 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 1: you over, but he's got a little wiggle to his game. 274 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 1: So yeah, it's gonna be very interesting to see how 275 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 1: that position shakes out. I think Anderson, as we said, 276 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 1: if there's an injury, he's in. And I think the 277 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 1: most important thing for him is he's got a show 278 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 1: he's capable of not only playing right guard, but flipping 279 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 1: over to left and maybe even gets a little opportunity 280 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 1: at center to show some kind of position flex So 281 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 1: if he can do that, I think it only helps 282 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 1: his chances. Josh Thomas, Nick McLeod. These are guys that 283 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 1: are going to have to show they can play on 284 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 1: special teams if they want to have a prayer of 285 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 1: making the roster. A lot of sleepers over the years 286 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 1: have made the Bills roster as undrafted rookie signings. Steve 287 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 1: I have compiled a list, a top ten list of 288 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 1: all time undrafted rookie signings by the Bills for the 289 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 1: last twenty five years. Ok So we're going back to 290 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 1: like right at the end of your career to now. 291 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 1: So here's what I've got, and you can tell me 292 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 1: if if I'm missing anybody that you think is worthy 293 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 1: of making this list. Number ten, a current Bills player 294 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 1: read Ferguson okay, undrafted signing that he's number ten on 295 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 1: my all time list here currently active, number nine, the 296 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 1: late Keyon Carpenter. It's an undrafted player in the late 297 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 1: nineties seven year NFL career was a starter here, I 298 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 1: want to say for two or three years. So keen 299 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 1: On Carpenter number nine for me, number eight. Another long snapper, 300 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 1: John Dornbuss, Now he didn't play most of his career 301 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 1: here because there was a camp here. He had a 302 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 1: rough time snapping, could not figure what his problem was 303 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 1: with his delivery and his mechanics. He gets cut by 304 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 1: the Bills literally a week later because he told me 305 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 1: this after the fact. A week later, he found out 306 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 1: what the mechanical flaw was in his delivery and fixed it. 307 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 1: Signs with the Eagles, plays another eleven years for the Eagles, 308 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 1: and wins a Super Bowl. Ably long and productive career 309 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 1: as a long snapper. And if you're out there and 310 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:05,639 Speaker 1: you'd like to play football but you don't feel like 311 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 1: you're gonna have the physical traits, learn how to long snap. Yeah. 312 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 1: It's a great way to make a living and be 313 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 1: a professional. And it's even safer now because people can't 314 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 1: line head up over them anymore. You don't have to 315 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 1: be a behemoth team. You don't get bent in half anymore. 316 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:22,359 Speaker 1: Number seven Nickel Roby great one. That was I mean 317 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:24,920 Speaker 1: for an undrafted signing. We're talking about carving out a 318 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 1: career in this league for a five seven dude, great play, 319 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:30,719 Speaker 1: great player, a lot of skill, you know, and at 320 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 1: his size, was durable enough to get and stay on 321 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 1: the field. Had a skill set, um smart player. And 322 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 1: I think that's one of the things that sets some 323 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:41,640 Speaker 1: of these guys apart. They have the ability to look 324 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 1: at themselves critically and know, you got to do certain things. 325 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:46,159 Speaker 1: I've got to be this kind of player and and 326 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 1: mold yourself into what it takes to hang in there. 327 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 1: Nickel Roby Coleman, you gotta tip your hat to that guy. 328 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 1: I mean talking about it. I mean maximizes diminutive. Yeah, Max, 329 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:01,479 Speaker 1: he's as tall as me. He might even be an 330 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 1: in shorter than me, and I mean unbelievable. And it's 331 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:07,880 Speaker 1: playing slot corner, like hello the guy, and he's got 332 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:09,400 Speaker 1: some now, don't I don't want to sell him short. 333 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:13,160 Speaker 1: He's very fast, quick, explosive athlete, so he can kind 334 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:14,639 Speaker 1: of hang in there in the slot and stay with 335 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:17,359 Speaker 1: some guys. But he's not out physically anybody in a 336 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 1: physical game. He's the guy that that lit up Alvin 337 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 1: Kamara in the NFC Championship game for the Rams, and 338 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:27,159 Speaker 1: he goes, yeah, and it was a good penalty to 339 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 1: take that he didn't have to take because they didn't 340 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:32,360 Speaker 1: call it. Send his team to the Super Bowl. Good 341 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 1: for him. That number six on the list. Another defensive back, 342 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 1: Jim Leonard ten year NFL career, one of the all 343 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:45,879 Speaker 1: time smart guys you'll ever come across as a football player. 344 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:49,359 Speaker 1: When I went to Wisconsin as a member of the 345 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 1: Bill's Medium Content team, and interviewed Barry Alvarez when he 346 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:55,879 Speaker 1: was then just out of off the sidelines. Right, he 347 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 1: was a head coach. I think at that then he 348 00:18:57,320 --> 00:18:59,160 Speaker 1: was the a D. After right, he was, I think 349 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 1: this was and he was transitioning. He was both the 350 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 1: head coach and the AD before he became only the 351 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 1: a D. And I was in his office talking to him, 352 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 1: and I we were talking about Lee Evans, and I said, 353 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 1: what about Nowaday at the very end of the conversation says, 354 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 1: what about coach, what about any players you have now 355 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 1: that you think may have a chance in the pros. 356 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 1: He goes, yeah, he goes, we got some guys that 357 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:19,879 Speaker 1: will probably be drafting and said, but one kid, I 358 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 1: really pulling for this kid. Nobody knows. He's not really 359 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 1: big enough of it, but he's just a smart kid, 360 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 1: really elevated himself through our program. His name's Jim Leonard. 361 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, okay, we cool. He's like and 362 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 1: he looked, he's kind of a built like you looked 363 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:35,120 Speaker 1: pointed at me, yeah, And I was like, okay, cool, 364 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:37,359 Speaker 1: and I forgot about it. He ends up with the 365 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills that later that season and a ten year 366 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 1: career in Susan and now he's the defensive coordinator at Wisconsin. 367 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 1: Yes he is. He had smart, sharp, very intelligent. Rex 368 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 1: Ryan loved Jim Leonard and he had him in New 369 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 1: York as his safety there. Came back here for a 370 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:59,359 Speaker 1: short second stint. Leonard did one year and then moved 371 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 1: on from there and ten years in the league. Though. 372 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 1: I mean he was not the fastest, but that guy 373 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:08,880 Speaker 1: got to spots with what was between his ears. Yeah, 374 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 1: I mean that guy could read offense. Is like nobody 375 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 1: wasn't the only guy that when it wasn't the only 376 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:14,879 Speaker 1: coach that love Jim Lennard. There's a lot of guys 377 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:21,880 Speaker 1: in that room. Number five Jabari Greer, Wow, another ten 378 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 1: year NFL career at the University of Tennessee. He made 379 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 1: this roster here I think it was in two thousand 380 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:31,359 Speaker 1: and four, played here for five years, then signed a 381 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 1: big free agent contract in New Orleans. Played five more 382 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 1: years down there, including getting a Super Bowl ring Pretty 383 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:39,120 Speaker 1: good man, and that guy could run. He was a 384 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:43,120 Speaker 1: national champion track athlete. He had some wheels. Yeah, when 385 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:46,680 Speaker 1: you've got something that gets you in the door, if 386 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 1: you can maximize it and elevate everything that's kind of 387 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:50,960 Speaker 1: keeping you from being a star player. And he's just 388 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:52,440 Speaker 1: kind of work on it and kind of hang in there. 389 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 1: These guys the thing that sets him apart. And people 390 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 1: don't realize how smart these guys are to hang in 391 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:04,400 Speaker 1: there with whatever limited capacities they have physically, to learn 392 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 1: how to survive and prolong their career and do whatever 393 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:12,640 Speaker 1: it takes outside their physical gifts, just to hang in there. 394 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:16,879 Speaker 1: That's basically the key to the entire process. Number four 395 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 1: and this is technically qualifies for the list because when 396 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 1: he first came out of college, he was undrafted but 397 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:29,360 Speaker 1: could not get to a camp, played in the Continental 398 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 1: Indoor Football League, then a year with the Rhyme Fire, 399 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 1: and then the Bills signed him. Fred Jackson number four 400 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:40,400 Speaker 1: on the all time Bill's undrafted list. And we really 401 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:41,919 Speaker 1: don't need to say much more than that, but you 402 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 1: want to talk about making it the hard way, holy 403 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 1: crow man, like that, that was it. That's the long trip, 404 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:50,720 Speaker 1: that's the long way around right there. And good for 405 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 1: him too, and became a fan favorite because of the 406 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:55,440 Speaker 1: kind of guy he is, and he was productive. Never 407 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 1: had to wonder what you were going to get out 408 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 1: of Fred on any given game, and it didn't matter 409 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 1: if the team was up by ten or down by thirty. Yeah, 410 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:02,959 Speaker 1: you were going to get an honest day's work from 411 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:06,160 Speaker 1: Fred every single time. And I think that's what appealed 412 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 1: to Bill's fans so much. Number three Brian Mormon. Now, 413 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:15,399 Speaker 1: the only reason Mormon he clipses Fred Jackson is because 414 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 1: he went to two Pro Bowls as a punter. I mean, 415 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:20,399 Speaker 1: you got a Pro Bowl punter that's undrafted. And I 416 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:24,160 Speaker 1: know a lot of punters don't get drafted, but Pittsburgh State, 417 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 1: I mean, maximizing everything that he had in the tool 418 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:30,639 Speaker 1: shed to have a twelve year career in the NFL. 419 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 1: Still the only punter to ever go to the Pro 420 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:37,919 Speaker 1: Bowl from punting in Buffalo in these conditions. Yeah, and 421 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:40,679 Speaker 1: he did it twice. He is. Yeah, he deserves that, 422 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:44,160 Speaker 1: no question about it. Number two on the list a 423 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:48,959 Speaker 1: former teammate of Steve's, Pat Williams. I knew Pat Williams 424 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 1: was going to be on the Pat Williams undrafted. What 425 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 1: was that? A and M. He was out of Texas, 426 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 1: A and M. I want to say Pat Williams came 427 00:22:55,480 --> 00:23:02,879 Speaker 1: in and played next too. I think Teddy Washington, right, Yeah, 428 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 1: what a player. Yeah, I don't know how that guy 429 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 1: doesn't get drafted because he was a He was a 430 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:13,119 Speaker 1: fantastic players, I mean from the get and I you know, 431 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:16,679 Speaker 1: he's one of those I guess high high priority free agency. Well, 432 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 1: if we don't get draft this, this is a guy 433 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:22,160 Speaker 1: who for some reason slipped through the cracks. Whatever man 434 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:25,200 Speaker 1: oh man, Yeah, what a player. Unfortunately, the Bills couldn't 435 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:26,680 Speaker 1: hold on to him and he ended up playing most 436 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 1: of his career in Minnesota, going to Pro Bowls up there. 437 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 1: And number one on the list, the bodyguard Jason Peters. 438 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:37,639 Speaker 1: He's into the Hall of Fame. Yeah, he'll be a 439 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. He'll be a first ballot. He will 440 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 1: be a first ballot Hall of Famer when he comes 441 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 1: out as a left tackle, complete free kazoid. Came here 442 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 1: as a tight end. You watch him play left tackle 443 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:54,119 Speaker 1: and there is no visible weakness in his game. He 444 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 1: can take on big time bullrush guys and just stone him. 445 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 1: And you get a speed guy like a Von Miller 446 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:04,480 Speaker 1: or Jerry Hughes or a you know any of these 447 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:06,640 Speaker 1: other guys, you know, t J. Watt, and they come 448 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:08,399 Speaker 1: and throw a move at the guy and it's like 449 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:13,399 Speaker 1: big brother, little brother kind of thing. I mean, you 450 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 1: just can't get around him. It's he's a phenomenal player. 451 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,919 Speaker 1: So that is the top ten all time undrafted rookie 452 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 1: signing list by the Bills over the last twenty five years. 453 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 1: Time now for the numbers game, Steve, and with training 454 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 1: camp starting this coming week, the focus is on quarterbacks 455 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 1: in training camp. So Steve, I'm gonna give you a 456 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 1: year and you're going to try to name me at 457 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 1: least two quarterbacks in training camp for that particular year. 458 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:42,160 Speaker 1: I'm gonna embarrass myself. Go ahead, are you ready? First 459 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:46,639 Speaker 1: year nineteen eighty seven, give me at least two of 460 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:48,879 Speaker 1: the quarterbacks that were in camp. I'm gonna tell you 461 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,399 Speaker 1: right now there were five that year as Jim Kelly, 462 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 1: Frank Reich, Stan Gelball. Actually Gilba is not on my 463 00:24:55,520 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 1: list here. He might have been eighty eight. U. Yeah, 464 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 1: there was a draft choice, believe it or not, in 465 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:07,880 Speaker 1: eighty seven, a fifth round pick, Dan Manucci in eighty seven. 466 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 1: That's what I got here. Wow. And then Willie Totten 467 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,200 Speaker 1: was here in ko Idea. No, that is yeah, he 468 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:17,440 Speaker 1: made well made up that name. I'm sorry, Willie, but 469 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:21,160 Speaker 1: you got two, so you're good there. Nineteen ninety seven, Steve, 470 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 1: give me at least two quarterbacks in camp. There were 471 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:27,360 Speaker 1: only three that year. Jim Kelly Todd Collins, not Jim 472 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 1: Kelly here, sorry, not Jim Kelly Todd Collins. And he 473 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:42,360 Speaker 1: had a nickname. Oh, come on, you know, I don't 474 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,400 Speaker 1: have any idea who it is. It's my last year. 475 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 1: Hand I was who is it? Alex van pell oh 476 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,199 Speaker 1: ale shoot? Of course I should have known that. The 477 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:58,879 Speaker 1: third was Billie Joeber like golf with Billy Joe. I 478 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:04,160 Speaker 1: still have his putter. Two thousand and four quarterbacks in camp. 479 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,920 Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna suck at this thing for a second. 480 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,399 Speaker 1: Two thousand and four, Okay, Mike Mullarkey's the head coach. 481 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:17,159 Speaker 1: Starting quarterback was a veteran. It was probably Bledsoe, yes, 482 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:26,160 Speaker 1: Drew Bledsoe and behind Bledsoe was four quarterbacks in camp 483 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,919 Speaker 1: that year? Wasn't Alex? Was it? It was not Alex? 484 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,639 Speaker 1: No longer? There who was in the broadcast booth that year? 485 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 1: And Alex such? I don't know. There was one that 486 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:44,240 Speaker 1: was drafted that very year. Ej No eight thousand and 487 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:47,200 Speaker 1: four DJ what years EJ. I don't even know he's 488 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 1: much later. All right, Um, what's the guys? I am? 489 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,880 Speaker 1: I am, I am trying to climb up a green 490 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,880 Speaker 1: water in the toilet bowl and it's somebody flushed. Hey, 491 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you the guy you're definitely not gonna get. 492 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 1: The fourth string quarterback out of Vanderbilt that year, gregs 493 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 1: is Oleman. Then there were you making these names. No, no, 494 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 1: I am not. Then the guy that's a third string 495 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:20,960 Speaker 1: quarterback here for a couple of years, Travis Brown, and 496 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 1: then kidding, and then the backup was the former first 497 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 1: round pick in two thousand and four JP. Jplassman, Yes, 498 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 1: you got it. Two thousand and seven, Steve, there were 499 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:38,359 Speaker 1: three quarterbacks in camp. Dick Geron was the head coach, 500 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 1: Cobb Kevin Comp was not one of them at that time. No, 501 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 1: he was in twenty thirteen. One of the aforementioned quarterbacks 502 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:51,560 Speaker 1: is still on the roster at this point, so you 503 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:57,960 Speaker 1: can guess him from two thousand and four JP, JP Yes. 504 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,440 Speaker 1: And then there was another draft choice that very year 505 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,960 Speaker 1: in the third round who was on this roster, who 506 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,359 Speaker 1: was drafted at the quarterback position out of a Pac 507 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 1: ten school. I got no chance Trent Edwards. And the 508 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:19,359 Speaker 1: third quarterback was Craignall. Let me, Craig, let me say something. 509 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 1: Craignall rings as big a bell as Trent Edwards. Wow, 510 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 1: I know Trent Edwards. Wow. Yeah. And the last one, Wow, 511 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,359 Speaker 1: you talk about a speed bump in the highway of 512 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 1: your life. Craignall used to call me Driftwood. Why because 513 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 1: he said, I was always floating around the locker room 514 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,480 Speaker 1: trying to talk to people. Hey, Driftwood, what's up? That's 515 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,400 Speaker 1: twenty fourteen. The last one, Steve, give me at least 516 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 1: two of the quarterbacks in camp in twenty fourteen. And 517 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you you're gonna love this list because 518 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:57,479 Speaker 1: there were five total. EJ EJ is one correct. Cobb 519 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 1: not Kevin Cobb. He was only here twenty thirteen. These names, 520 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,040 Speaker 1: I can almost I would bet money you're not gonna 521 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 1: get any of these. There was an undrafted kid that 522 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 1: everybody went gaga about this year. He actually started a 523 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 1: game against Kansas City and lost. They almost won the game, 524 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 1: but he lost because of injuries he had to play, 525 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 1: so the only start he made in the Bill's uniform. 526 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 1: And then there was another journeyman quarterback who got picked up. Yeah, 527 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:28,480 Speaker 1: the journeyman quarterback rings a belt and I can't think 528 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 1: of who it is. So I'm gonna give you the 529 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:35,160 Speaker 1: rundown because this is fun. Okay. So after EJ. Fad Lewis, 530 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Jeff Toole, Oh yeah, tool time, Yeah, Dennis Dixon, 531 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 1: Oregon running quarterback, and then brought in for the last 532 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 1: preseason game a guest on our One Bills Live show, 533 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 1: Chris Not Chris Simsims Jordan Palmer. Really, Jordan Palmer. I 534 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,040 Speaker 1: had to put twenty fourteen in there just because the 535 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 1: names alone, all right, that is the numbers game. Good 536 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 1: effort there by, Steve, good effort. We will move on 537 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 1: to our closing segment here quickly as we close out 538 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 1: this episode of One Bills Light with our one Burning Question, 539 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 1: talking to our callers and reading the comments from our 540 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 1: listeners who tweeted us at one Bills Live. There are 541 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 1: concerns about the defense, improving the run defense, pass rush, 542 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 1: and red zone defense or one burning question, Steve, do 543 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 1: you believe the Bills will address those deficiencies more with 544 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 1: improved personnel or a change in scheme. Well, I think 545 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 1: they'll improve on all fronts. I think that's what their 546 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 1: effort is. The schemes. Maybe maybe they'll tweak a couple 547 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 1: of things, they don't change much. They believe. Yeah, the 548 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,560 Speaker 1: players are what is the dear. I think they want 549 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:52,400 Speaker 1: to do what they do and do it better. Yeah. 550 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:53,760 Speaker 1: I think when you get to the level where the 551 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 1: Bills defense has been, not maybe perhaps not last year, 552 00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 1: but two years ago, they have made wholesale changes. They've 553 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,720 Speaker 1: tweet a couple of things, particularly on the defensive front, 554 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:06,320 Speaker 1: but their linebackers are the same two guys. The defensive 555 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,840 Speaker 1: front is is the issue. So I think you're gonna 556 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:10,720 Speaker 1: have to say, I'm gonna say the players, not only 557 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 1: the players that are going to be there to play better, 558 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,240 Speaker 1: but the players that are there are going to play better. Yeah. 559 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 1: That's where I think the defense has has struggled and 560 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:22,760 Speaker 1: where the changes were, because if you look at two 561 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:24,720 Speaker 1: years ago when they had a number one or number 562 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,600 Speaker 1: two defense in the league and all the major categories, 563 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 1: they were gosh, they were impossible to move the ball on. 564 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:32,800 Speaker 1: The only thing that changed from that year to the 565 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:37,600 Speaker 1: next was the guys up front. Yeah, and that's that's 566 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:39,920 Speaker 1: so that's I think that's where they're going to attack them. 567 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,280 Speaker 1: So those top two draft choices this year, their top 568 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,200 Speaker 1: draft choice from last year epinesa Rousseau bash them are 569 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 1: an example of how they're trying to improve their performance 570 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,640 Speaker 1: through the personnel and their top pick three years ago 571 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:54,280 Speaker 1: and Ed Oliver right. So I would say I would 572 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:56,960 Speaker 1: lean toward improved personnel because I think this coaching staff 573 00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,480 Speaker 1: believes that it's core in what their defensive principle within 574 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:02,840 Speaker 1: this scheme are. So I think the scheme will be 575 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,080 Speaker 1: tweaked based on opponent from week to week, but in 576 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:09,320 Speaker 1: large part they're expecting better overall performance from their defense 577 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:14,160 Speaker 1: because of improved personnel. That'll do it. For this episode 578 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 1: of One Bill's Light, we remind you to subscribe no 579 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,800 Speaker 1: matter what podcast platform you use, so you know when 580 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,680 Speaker 1: the next episode drops. You can also listen and watch 581 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:26,200 Speaker 1: us on the Bills YouTube chat. And remember when there 582 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:29,440 Speaker 1: isn't enough time for One Bills Live, there is always 583 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:31,880 Speaker 1: enough time for One Bill's Life. 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