WEBVTT - “I’M FROM IRAN, AND I HAVE A MESSAGE”

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<v Speaker 1>Our friend armand Hello, Hi?

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<v Speaker 2>Who is this?

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<v Speaker 1>Hi? Hi?

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<v Speaker 3>This is armand Armand what's up?

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<v Speaker 2>Armand?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? I'm good? How are you?

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<v Speaker 3>Uh?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, not too bad?

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<v Speaker 3>Man?

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<v Speaker 2>What what is it that brings you into my Gecko

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<v Speaker 2>show today?

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<v Speaker 1>Uh? So I did say I'm good, but I'm mentioning

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<v Speaker 1>that feel too good? Uh, I don't know. I tink

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<v Speaker 1>to you a couple of times. I a'my lng.

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<v Speaker 2>In and your Iranian?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, m And I don't know if you have seen

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<v Speaker 1>anything in the news, but for the past uh, for

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<v Speaker 1>the past week, there's been an internet shutdown in Milan,

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<v Speaker 1>so we shuldn't really hear anything from me. Ran. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>there's there's a few things here and there. People are

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<v Speaker 1>trying to, you know, make their voices heard. But it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's been very difficult, and I've been doing a little

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<v Speaker 1>stress and and I thought maybe I should call in,

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<v Speaker 1>try calling in and see uh it should be interested

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<v Speaker 1>in hearing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, definitely, definitely. So Okay, So you're you're Iranian? And

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<v Speaker 2>where do you live right now? Because you're not You're

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<v Speaker 2>not there.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not there, you know, I'm im in. I'm living

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<v Speaker 1>I'm living in Toronto. But I had the time living

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<v Speaker 1>in Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you live there for a bit?

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<v Speaker 1>I did. Yeah, I lived there until I was twenty four,

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<v Speaker 1>until you were twenty four. Yeah that was that was

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<v Speaker 1>a few years ago. Yeah. I did grow up there,

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<v Speaker 1>So I know what the government is by, I know

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<v Speaker 1>what the people are like, and I know that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>everyone had their biases. But I want to try and

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<v Speaker 1>give you one non partisan of whatever you would call it.

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<v Speaker 2>You sure, sure, but I just I want to just

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<v Speaker 2>get a profile of you first.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure.

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<v Speaker 2>So Okay, So three years ago you moved from Iran

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<v Speaker 2>to Toronto. And so what you're like twenty seven?

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<v Speaker 1>Not two years ago? About six seven years ago? Uh? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I moved out.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay? Cool? And what made you want to move from

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<v Speaker 2>Iran to Toronto?

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<v Speaker 1>Uh well, A big part of it was the economic

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<v Speaker 1>situation alone, and uh the general state of things. I

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<v Speaker 1>just didn't think that this dre anymore.

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<v Speaker 3>Mm hm.

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<v Speaker 2>You were in were you in Tehrant?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>And did you move to Toronto? Did you move to

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<v Speaker 2>Toronto with anyone or did you come here completely alone?

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<v Speaker 1>No? No, I moved to Montreal and I was in

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<v Speaker 1>Montreal for a while and then I moved to Tolano.

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<v Speaker 1>I would be okay staring more information, but just so

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<v Speaker 1>you know that your own region is it is a

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<v Speaker 1>big stat of check. I'm not here to just send

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<v Speaker 1>political messages or anything, but uh, it is difficult for

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<v Speaker 1>people to talk, and a lot of people still refuse

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<v Speaker 1>to voice their opinions and their rage even because they

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<v Speaker 1>they don't want to be what do you call it

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<v Speaker 1>talks whatever. They don't want the reason to know, even

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<v Speaker 1>if they are outside.

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<v Speaker 2>Of you on I I listen, I I I definitely

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<v Speaker 2>have more questions about Iran itself, but I still want

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<v Speaker 2>to know. You've been living in Toronto for uh? They

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<v Speaker 2>said about six years?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>And how how has it been? How has the experience

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<v Speaker 2>there been compared to your experience in Iran?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and it's very different. I don't know where to start, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>just to describe what my experience was right before I

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<v Speaker 1>moved out of Iran, I was I was going around

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<v Speaker 1>talking to people, you know, just living a normal life

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<v Speaker 1>as the average Iranian would. Two. I wasn't the political person.

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<v Speaker 1>I still don't consider myself a very politically active person.

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<v Speaker 1>But but just how life was in Neuron was that

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<v Speaker 1>the value of their ruanium currency kept dropping day by day,

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<v Speaker 1>week by week, months by months, kept getting worse and worse.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's something you can check online. So I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to get too in through it, but just to

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<v Speaker 1>describe to you what the situation was, I would be

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<v Speaker 1>talking to someone and they would they would tell me

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<v Speaker 1>that it doesn't make sense for them to work anymore

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<v Speaker 1>because they wouldn't have enough money to get to their workplace,

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<v Speaker 1>so it wouldn't make sense for them to work anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>And this was back when I was in Iran. This

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<v Speaker 1>was mostly two colored people, but more recently it has

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<v Speaker 1>been everybody. So it doesn't make sense for a white

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<v Speaker 1>collar worker to go to their office because that doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>pay you for the cab right there or whatever the

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<v Speaker 1>gas to get to their office. So that was one

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<v Speaker 1>big thing that that I don't living here. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>my situation isn't great, but at least I don't have

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<v Speaker 1>to worry about the value of my currency dropping every day,

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<v Speaker 1>and and even just not being able to afford anything.

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<v Speaker 1>At this point, it got to a point that people

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<v Speaker 1>can't afford food anymore, and they can't bring food home

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<v Speaker 1>to their children. And this is true for again like

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<v Speaker 1>white collar wouldens at this point, So I'm just trying

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<v Speaker 1>to Yeah, of course.

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<v Speaker 2>So h so six years ago, i've when you made

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<v Speaker 2>the decision to go to Canada? Do you save up

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<v Speaker 2>money to get there?

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<v Speaker 1>Like?

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<v Speaker 2>How how did you get there?

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<v Speaker 1>Uh? Be perfectly honest, I had my family support and

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<v Speaker 1>I I consider myself somewhat privileged in that my family,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm rich, but they could afford helping me get out

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<v Speaker 1>of you and I am very grateful to them for that.

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<v Speaker 2>And he said that, I'm sorry. I know I asked

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<v Speaker 2>you this there and maybe I just fucking missed the answer.

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<v Speaker 2>But did they Did you go alone? Did you go

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<v Speaker 2>with family? Do you have any friends come with you?

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<v Speaker 1>I came alone. I had I had relatives in Montreal,

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<v Speaker 1>but I did. I did.

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<v Speaker 2>And so when you first got to Toronto, what what

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<v Speaker 2>were you doing for work?

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<v Speaker 1>So? While I was in Montreal, I couldn't work because

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<v Speaker 1>I was on I could only work part time because

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<v Speaker 1>I was on a student visa basically a student work

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<v Speaker 1>permit or a student I studied permit and I could

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<v Speaker 1>only work part time. I was working at a Southway

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<v Speaker 1>the past food. Uh that was that was Montreal. And

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<v Speaker 1>then when I got here. I was already because I

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<v Speaker 1>was studying in Montreal. So when I got to Toronto,

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<v Speaker 1>I started applying and I found my job, and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>doing okay. Now, Toronto was very expensive, and I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>making amble of money, but I'm compared to what's going

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<v Speaker 1>on in you and what I could be doing if

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<v Speaker 1>I were back home. Honestly, I think if I were

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<v Speaker 1>back home, i'd be unemployed at this one. So, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing a lot there.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you mention what Liz you're doing for work in Toronto?

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't, And I don't know if I'm comfortable saying

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<v Speaker 1>all of this. I don't know. Is that okay if I.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't of course, yeah, of course, of course.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, Yeah, yeah, of course, Sorr. I was

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<v Speaker 2>gonna say, I don't know what it would look like

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<v Speaker 2>if it wasn't okay, you know what I mean, I

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't I wouldn't hang up on you. There's many other

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<v Speaker 2>things I want to talk to you about. So so

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<v Speaker 2>your mom and dad and siblings. Who's who's in Iran

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<v Speaker 2>right now?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how I should say. Again, I I

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<v Speaker 1>think this might get out and I don't know some

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<v Speaker 1>of this might be just mean being paranoid.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, how what do you what are you

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<v Speaker 2>paranoid about?

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<v Speaker 1>So I don't know if you heard. But what I

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<v Speaker 1>can say for certain based on everything I'm hearing from

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<v Speaker 1>Iran and people have talk to firsthand who have been

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<v Speaker 1>able to get in touch good family in Iran, which

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<v Speaker 1>is very difficult right now, is that thousands of people

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<v Speaker 1>have died and there's a care few and uh, there's

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<v Speaker 1>basically Marshall State, you know. I don't know if that's

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<v Speaker 1>the correct straying, but there is a martial law. Martial law, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and and there's there's just no discrimination that people are

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<v Speaker 1>people are being shot at it if if they're outside,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just well being not doing anything in groups. And

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<v Speaker 1>it is very scary. And I just don't know, and

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to get anyone in trouble directly. Uh

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<v Speaker 1>and uh, I think I think that I just don't.

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<v Speaker 1>I just don't know if me saying anything out of

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<v Speaker 1>mind could lead to somebody ah getting harmed in any way,

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<v Speaker 1>but I don't want to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>I am listen, you don't have to say anything you

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to say. I'm I'm pretty sure the Iranian

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<v Speaker 2>government is not listening to the Therapy Echo podcast. But

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<v Speaker 2>you still don't have to You can do whatever you want.

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<v Speaker 2>But I still have questions for you. So, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>regardless of the specifics of who you know, have you

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<v Speaker 2>been able to get in touch with the people that

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<v Speaker 2>you you you do know there?

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<v Speaker 1>So the last message I got personally was Thursday, Thursday

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<v Speaker 1>last week, so it's been a week since I heard anything.

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<v Speaker 1>I lost messages for people, but they haven't been delivered. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't know what's happening on the other end,

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<v Speaker 1>so I have no idea of my family there or

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<v Speaker 1>even safe. I heard something from one of my aunts

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<v Speaker 1>who lives in the US. She told me that she

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<v Speaker 1>contacted a friend of hers and they contacted my family

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<v Speaker 1>members and they said that they were okay. But I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. I don't I don't have any specifics. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's been a week since I heard anything from my

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<v Speaker 1>my family members there. The calling there, I left no message.

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<v Speaker 1>I tried calling. My calls don't go to Some people

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<v Speaker 1>say that they have had calls coming out of Iran.

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<v Speaker 1>So people you know, I means, who are outside your

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<v Speaker 1>room right now, got calls from inside Iran, but they

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't call back. They couldn't call they couldn't make any

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<v Speaker 1>calls to Iran. And that's been a situation called about

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<v Speaker 1>a week now and there's been a total internet blackout.

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<v Speaker 1>There are a few people getting some stuff out with starlink.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you remember all that Elon Musk

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<v Speaker 1>starlink mom. I have no idea how they work, but

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<v Speaker 1>apparently some of those got into yourn and people have

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<v Speaker 1>been using that very sparingly. Like the amount of information

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<v Speaker 1>that's coming out of Yon is very very little, and

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<v Speaker 1>all day run in people that I had been in

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<v Speaker 1>contact with, people I you know, people I grew up with,

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<v Speaker 1>people I knew from school. They're completely silent this past

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<v Speaker 1>week because they can't make their words or they don't

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<v Speaker 1>have access to the internet.

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<v Speaker 2>M So, so you said that there's been Okay, So

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<v Speaker 2>I've I've been reading the news a little bit and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna summarize what my understanding is of what's going on,

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<v Speaker 2>and then uh, you can help me fill in these

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<v Speaker 2>these gaps. So basically, my understanding is that these widespread

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<v Speaker 2>protests going on in Iran, UH and the government is

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<v Speaker 2>cracking down on those protesters and as and it's what

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<v Speaker 2>you just said is freaky about they're not making a

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<v Speaker 2>distinction between protesters and people just stand in the fuck around,

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<v Speaker 2>which is which is spooky. Uh why well okay, why.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh?

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<v Speaker 2>Why why are why are people protesting? And also like

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<v Speaker 2>why why is why are they protesting now?

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<v Speaker 1>So just to be clear there, I've been protests going

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<v Speaker 1>on for quite a while now. I wish I was

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<v Speaker 1>a little more educated on these matters. I know. The

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<v Speaker 1>latest products in Iran huber In the latest bigger protests

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<v Speaker 1>in Iran that became international news were in twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 1>two and twenty three about Masmini protests and that was

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<v Speaker 1>the woman Wife's freedom progress and again thousands of people

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<v Speaker 1>died in those protests, a lot of people were arrested.

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<v Speaker 1>That again the internet was shot down before that. I

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<v Speaker 1>was in twenty nineteen there were massive protests in on

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<v Speaker 1>because the regime, as they say, by mistake, they are

0:17:00.040 --> 0:17:05.680
<v Speaker 1>shut down a plane, a passenger plane in Tyhran and

0:17:06.119 --> 0:17:09.359
<v Speaker 1>people came industry. They were massive protests and that was

0:17:09.400 --> 0:17:15.119
<v Speaker 1>the first huge internet shutdown back in twenty nineteen. So

0:17:15.440 --> 0:17:18.240
<v Speaker 1>these products have been going on for years. But to

0:17:18.359 --> 0:17:22.320
<v Speaker 1>anserior plush specifically, right now, people are set up with

0:17:22.359 --> 0:17:26.840
<v Speaker 1>a lot of things. They won't freedom, they want their

0:17:27.560 --> 0:17:31.840
<v Speaker 1>voices heard, they want basic civil rights, human rights that

0:17:32.000 --> 0:17:36.320
<v Speaker 1>they've been deprived of. But it's got two points where

0:17:36.359 --> 0:17:39.879
<v Speaker 1>people don't have a choice anymore because the majority of

0:17:39.920 --> 0:17:45.800
<v Speaker 1>people are so poor that they can't afford very basic

0:17:46.080 --> 0:17:50.720
<v Speaker 1>food food stuff like they can't afford eggs, they can't

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<v Speaker 1>afford a regular on a regular income, you can't afford

0:17:57.880 --> 0:18:03.000
<v Speaker 1>eggs or tuna for your family. You can afford the

0:18:03.000 --> 0:18:08.400
<v Speaker 1>basy vegetable stream. And that's just food. I'm not talking

0:18:08.400 --> 0:18:13.360
<v Speaker 1>about the price of gas or your rent or whatever.

0:18:14.040 --> 0:18:19.320
<v Speaker 1>So this is this is a huge This is a

0:18:19.400 --> 0:18:23.320
<v Speaker 1>huge issue for the Iranian people, especially because when when

0:18:23.359 --> 0:18:26.280
<v Speaker 1>I was living in your this wasn't a situation. You know,

0:18:26.320 --> 0:18:31.040
<v Speaker 1>there was some poverty, but it wasn't so widespread. I

0:18:31.080 --> 0:18:32.679
<v Speaker 1>can't put a number to it. I can't put a

0:18:32.680 --> 0:18:35.600
<v Speaker 1>percentage it, but I know that at this point, at

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<v Speaker 1>least judging by something that hurt from the Onion government themselves,

0:18:40.600 --> 0:18:44.359
<v Speaker 1>at least like eighty percent of the people are in poverty.

0:18:45.280 --> 0:18:48.520
<v Speaker 1>So the thing is they don't have a choice anymore

0:18:48.520 --> 0:18:51.080
<v Speaker 1>because if they stay home at the end of the month,

0:18:51.960 --> 0:18:58.560
<v Speaker 1>they're still gonna perish at this point. So it is

0:18:59.440 --> 0:19:04.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if this is being setting the news,

0:19:04.040 --> 0:19:08.639
<v Speaker 1>but they run and people really don't have a choice anymore.

0:19:08.640 --> 0:19:14.000
<v Speaker 1>They're they're fighting for their survival, not for not for

0:19:14.040 --> 0:19:16.879
<v Speaker 1>anything else. You know, I hear a lot of people

0:19:16.920 --> 0:19:21.480
<v Speaker 1>saying that they're being incited by the West or employe

0:19:21.520 --> 0:19:22.560
<v Speaker 1>Asrall or whoever.

0:19:22.720 --> 0:19:25.840
<v Speaker 3>I what what is what?

0:19:25.840 --> 0:19:27.720
<v Speaker 2>What is the what is the argument that they're being

0:19:27.840 --> 0:19:30.719
<v Speaker 2>Who's arguing that they're being incited by the West?

0:19:32.840 --> 0:19:37.520
<v Speaker 1>Well, I don't know, man, I've been reading too much

0:19:37.560 --> 0:19:41.240
<v Speaker 1>news honestly, whole past week of my phone, non stuff,

0:19:41.280 --> 0:19:46.679
<v Speaker 1>and uh, I just see a lot of triggering stuff. Uh,

0:19:48.480 --> 0:19:50.879
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I don't know if it's just rage

0:19:50.880 --> 0:19:54.520
<v Speaker 1>faid or you know, there there is propaganda coming out

0:19:54.520 --> 0:19:56.879
<v Speaker 1>of ground. There is a lot of propaganda coming out

0:19:56.920 --> 0:20:01.560
<v Speaker 1>of your own And I was just talking to my girlfriend,

0:20:01.600 --> 0:20:07.399
<v Speaker 1>like my dad, she said something that you know, it

0:20:07.440 --> 0:20:10.920
<v Speaker 1>was her opinion. They come because she's about Iranian and

0:20:11.520 --> 0:20:15.680
<v Speaker 1>these weren't her opinions based on what she had heard

0:20:15.840 --> 0:20:20.480
<v Speaker 1>in the news and other political abouts and whatnot.

0:20:20.640 --> 0:20:21.840
<v Speaker 2>And what was her opinion.

0:20:23.680 --> 0:20:25.640
<v Speaker 1>So there were a couple of points that she made

0:20:26.080 --> 0:20:33.199
<v Speaker 1>that Ah, sorry, I'm not blanking all a little bit.

0:20:33.200 --> 0:20:38.359
<v Speaker 1>But one thing I remember specifically was the Balcanization of Iran.

0:20:39.800 --> 0:20:43.080
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you're familiar with the concept, but

0:20:44.200 --> 0:20:47.199
<v Speaker 1>basically she was saying, Iran is going to be broken

0:20:47.280 --> 0:20:55.919
<v Speaker 1>into different states if there's if there's the Western basically,

0:20:55.960 --> 0:20:59.840
<v Speaker 1>if there's Western people coming and messing with the situation.

0:21:00.119 --> 0:21:04.679
<v Speaker 2>Oh in West Western. Okay, So you're saying that Iran,

0:21:05.080 --> 0:21:09.480
<v Speaker 2>your girlfriend thinks Iran is gonna split into two uh

0:21:09.680 --> 0:21:13.720
<v Speaker 2>different states if the West comes in and intervenes with

0:21:13.760 --> 0:21:17.639
<v Speaker 2>what's going on. Yeah, and then what I assume I

0:21:17.640 --> 0:21:23.399
<v Speaker 2>assume I assume would it be one state, uh whatever

0:21:23.520 --> 0:21:28.040
<v Speaker 2>proxy governed by the West versus the one state that's

0:21:31.200 --> 0:21:32.040
<v Speaker 2>ran by the regime.

0:21:34.240 --> 0:21:40.639
<v Speaker 1>So specifically, specifically, what I what I heard when I

0:21:40.680 --> 0:21:42.439
<v Speaker 1>was living in Iran, when I was going up in

0:21:42.480 --> 0:21:46.920
<v Speaker 1>Iran over and over again, was that if there's Western

0:21:47.000 --> 0:21:51.080
<v Speaker 1>into once Ian intergration, if there is a war, if

0:21:51.080 --> 0:21:54.800
<v Speaker 1>there is unrest, there's going to be abouganization of Iran

0:21:55.440 --> 0:21:58.640
<v Speaker 1>and a separation of all the different states of Jan

0:21:58.760 --> 0:22:01.919
<v Speaker 1>and there's going to be actually more than a few states,

0:22:01.960 --> 0:22:05.120
<v Speaker 1>so the Courtish part of Iran. This is by the way,

0:22:05.320 --> 0:22:08.520
<v Speaker 1>not true at all. I just at least I'm not

0:22:08.680 --> 0:22:11.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm not a prophet, you know, I'm not a I

0:22:11.520 --> 0:22:14.400
<v Speaker 1>can't say for certain that this is definitely not going

0:22:14.400 --> 0:22:18.159
<v Speaker 1>to happen. But judging by how this was the Iranian

0:22:18.200 --> 0:22:24.080
<v Speaker 1>regimes propaganda all all of my childhood and adulthood, I

0:22:24.200 --> 0:22:27.720
<v Speaker 1>know that this is something that they've drummed up and

0:22:28.040 --> 0:22:32.320
<v Speaker 1>this is their opinion, and this is what they're steaking to.

0:22:33.080 --> 0:22:37.719
<v Speaker 1>So there's definitely something in it for them. And they

0:22:38.160 --> 0:22:41.280
<v Speaker 1>believe that Kurdistan is going to get separated from your on,

0:22:41.400 --> 0:22:45.280
<v Speaker 1>which is the western western part of Iran.

0:22:45.840 --> 0:22:48.560
<v Speaker 2>So it's the so you believe it's the current regimes

0:22:49.040 --> 0:22:51.879
<v Speaker 2>desire to have Iran split into multiple states.

0:22:53.560 --> 0:22:58.440
<v Speaker 1>No, but that is there. That is something they're using

0:22:58.440 --> 0:23:02.560
<v Speaker 1>as leverage. That is their propaganda. For lack of very words,

0:23:02.600 --> 0:23:08.480
<v Speaker 1>that is that, that is their instruments. That is one

0:23:08.720 --> 0:23:12.520
<v Speaker 1>of their instruments of terror, because that's what they keep

0:23:13.200 --> 0:23:16.359
<v Speaker 1>telling people whenever there is civil unrest in Iran. They

0:23:16.440 --> 0:23:21.359
<v Speaker 1>keep telling people all these people are Westerners. They're paid

0:23:21.680 --> 0:23:29.399
<v Speaker 1>by the US, They're paid by outside forces and uh, yeah,

0:23:29.480 --> 0:23:30.399
<v Speaker 1>there are trying to.

0:23:34.720 --> 0:23:37.040
<v Speaker 2>So it's being it's it's used as a propaganda tool

0:23:37.119 --> 0:23:39.439
<v Speaker 2>where the regime is like trying to convince people that

0:23:39.520 --> 0:23:44.439
<v Speaker 2>the protesters are uh. The regime wants people to know, uh,

0:23:44.760 --> 0:23:49.119
<v Speaker 2>wants people to think that the protesters are like Western

0:23:49.160 --> 0:23:53.960
<v Speaker 2>actors attempting to split the state.

0:23:56.359 --> 0:23:59.960
<v Speaker 1>Exactly. Yes, yes, And this is may I say, I

0:24:00.000 --> 0:24:03.119
<v Speaker 1>I know there are different political side than everything. This

0:24:03.359 --> 0:24:06.520
<v Speaker 1>was my experience growing up in Iran. And I can

0:24:06.800 --> 0:24:10.680
<v Speaker 1>I can prove it that. You know, there's so much

0:24:10.720 --> 0:24:16.960
<v Speaker 1>evidence out there that this is the Iranian the Islamic

0:24:17.320 --> 0:24:23.320
<v Speaker 1>Republics stands on the civil long rest in Iran.

0:24:24.200 --> 0:24:28.439
<v Speaker 2>So how long has the regime? How long has this

0:24:28.520 --> 0:24:31.000
<v Speaker 2>current regime been in power?

0:24:31.040 --> 0:24:37.080
<v Speaker 1>For it for forty seven years, has been in power

0:24:37.200 --> 0:24:38.480
<v Speaker 1>for forty seven years.

0:24:39.119 --> 0:24:40.320
<v Speaker 3>It's a slave guy.

0:24:42.000 --> 0:24:46.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's the Islamic Revolution back in nineteen seventy nine.

0:24:48.320 --> 0:24:53.719
<v Speaker 1>The government of Iran has been the Islamic Republic of Iran,

0:24:54.240 --> 0:24:57.520
<v Speaker 1>and that is what they call the country now. And

0:24:59.200 --> 0:25:03.159
<v Speaker 1>just because you said the same guy, there is a

0:25:03.680 --> 0:25:10.760
<v Speaker 1>sort of full election process. There is false democracy, if

0:25:11.280 --> 0:25:13.919
<v Speaker 1>not an actual democracy. It happens in a lot of

0:25:14.359 --> 0:25:18.639
<v Speaker 1>places in the Middle East and in other places in

0:25:18.680 --> 0:25:24.159
<v Speaker 1>the world as well as well. But in in its

0:25:24.240 --> 0:25:32.440
<v Speaker 1>core there is one one political group and uh it's

0:25:32.520 --> 0:25:35.320
<v Speaker 1>one person at the top, and there there is a

0:25:36.080 --> 0:25:37.800
<v Speaker 1>system of oligarchy.

0:25:38.359 --> 0:25:41.919
<v Speaker 2>But uh wait, so what's the who's the who's the

0:25:41.920 --> 0:25:53.119
<v Speaker 2>one person I'm looking right now, massued Uh yeah, so

0:25:53.320 --> 0:25:54.800
<v Speaker 2>is he like the guy or is he like a

0:25:54.840 --> 0:25:57.919
<v Speaker 2>puppet for a different guy who actually has the power.

0:25:59.119 --> 0:26:03.439
<v Speaker 1>So the mass which as is is a pupp is,

0:26:03.480 --> 0:26:06.040
<v Speaker 1>as you said, a puppet. I don't want to use

0:26:06.240 --> 0:26:10.879
<v Speaker 1>very strong words here, but he is quote unquote the

0:26:12.480 --> 0:26:16.919
<v Speaker 1>alexa president of your own at the moment, he is not.

0:26:17.640 --> 0:26:22.280
<v Speaker 1>He is not a very important figure. Uh the most

0:26:22.359 --> 0:26:25.640
<v Speaker 1>important figure in the country right now is uh say

0:26:25.920 --> 0:26:28.879
<v Speaker 1>as many oh.

0:26:28.520 --> 0:26:30.520
<v Speaker 2>I say, here you go that yeah, okay, So he's

0:26:30.600 --> 0:26:35.560
<v Speaker 2>the Okay, he's a supreme lead. He's a supreme leader

0:26:36.560 --> 0:26:42.560
<v Speaker 2>of ira Yes since uh oh ship Okay, he's the

0:26:42.680 --> 0:26:46.080
<v Speaker 2>longest serving head of state in the entire Middle East.

0:26:46.640 --> 0:26:51.160
<v Speaker 2>That's crazy, Yes, forty seven years, I mean eighty six.

0:26:53.760 --> 0:26:57.600
<v Speaker 1>He is barely alive, honestly, but this is this is

0:26:57.880 --> 0:27:01.760
<v Speaker 1>the person who took it, took the reins after the

0:27:01.840 --> 0:27:06.879
<v Speaker 1>death of the Test of Harmony, So technically not forty

0:27:06.920 --> 0:27:10.760
<v Speaker 1>seven years because the revolution got started by another figure,

0:27:11.320 --> 0:27:15.439
<v Speaker 1>but uh how many came right afterwards?

0:27:17.560 --> 0:27:22.919
<v Speaker 2>So is so uh m hmm, what do you think?

0:27:24.000 --> 0:27:26.400
<v Speaker 2>What do you think? I think this is very interesting.

0:27:26.600 --> 0:27:28.320
<v Speaker 2>I don't usually don't know, you know, I don't talk

0:27:28.359 --> 0:27:33.119
<v Speaker 2>a lot about politics on this podcast, but I but like,

0:27:33.280 --> 0:27:38.160
<v Speaker 2>as a on an individual level, I'm like very fascinated

0:27:38.200 --> 0:27:41.480
<v Speaker 2>in them. And and you know, American politics two And

0:27:41.520 --> 0:27:44.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I don't know if we have I don't

0:27:44.480 --> 0:27:50.160
<v Speaker 2>know if Americans have the U, if we if we'll

0:27:50.240 --> 0:27:51.840
<v Speaker 2>if we're going to really be able to do that,

0:27:52.280 --> 0:27:54.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, like in the way like where you got

0:27:54.440 --> 0:27:57.359
<v Speaker 2>Like I feel like in other countries when they just

0:27:57.400 --> 0:28:03.520
<v Speaker 2>have like a fucked up government, like they really they

0:28:03.560 --> 0:28:05.520
<v Speaker 2>really go at it. But I think you gotta be

0:28:05.760 --> 0:28:10.439
<v Speaker 2>It makes sense. It makes sense that like true revolutions

0:28:11.480 --> 0:28:17.160
<v Speaker 2>are primarily happening when people like literally just have no

0:28:18.119 --> 0:28:24.159
<v Speaker 2>other option, like it's pure survival. Maybe maybe America like

0:28:24.200 --> 0:28:28.160
<v Speaker 2>we're still maybe we're still too comfortable, I mean, especially

0:28:28.160 --> 0:28:32.000
<v Speaker 2>compared to other countries to ever like you know, and

0:28:32.040 --> 0:28:36.320
<v Speaker 2>we're too big for us to ever do like a crazy, uh,

0:28:37.000 --> 0:28:43.760
<v Speaker 2>full scale revolution the way that other countries have.

0:28:46.800 --> 0:28:53.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I don't know. Yeah, I'm gonna be honest.

0:28:53.440 --> 0:28:56.320
<v Speaker 1>When I called you, I wanted to just say as

0:28:56.360 --> 0:28:58.400
<v Speaker 1>much as I can about to prow this happening in

0:28:58.440 --> 0:29:01.600
<v Speaker 1>your and I'm the guy had you started with the

0:29:01.640 --> 0:29:05.640
<v Speaker 1>basics and you know, trying to understand what the situation,

0:29:05.760 --> 0:29:08.360
<v Speaker 1>and then it's very perceptive of you to say that

0:29:09.960 --> 0:29:14.280
<v Speaker 1>you can't really connect with it that deeply. And I'm

0:29:14.320 --> 0:29:19.000
<v Speaker 1>genuinely good I've had you fill that with because growing

0:29:19.120 --> 0:29:24.640
<v Speaker 1>up in a totalitarian state is an awful, awful thing

0:29:24.840 --> 0:29:30.680
<v Speaker 1>and I wouldn't lose it on anybody, And just about

0:29:30.680 --> 0:29:34.640
<v Speaker 1>the US itself, I don't want to quote, I don't

0:29:34.640 --> 0:29:36.560
<v Speaker 1>want to get anybody Quoteah.

0:29:36.120 --> 0:29:39.200
<v Speaker 2>We're here, we're here, we're here, let's do it say whatever.

0:29:42.400 --> 0:29:49.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't personally, I don't consider myself a left,

0:29:49.200 --> 0:29:51.920
<v Speaker 1>but a lot of my ideas, a lot of the

0:29:52.000 --> 0:29:57.760
<v Speaker 1>things I stand for are left leaning at least as

0:29:57.920 --> 0:30:08.680
<v Speaker 1>or as the US political left goes. But but yeah,

0:30:09.040 --> 0:30:12.760
<v Speaker 1>I I'm trying to make a cohesive comment here. But

0:30:16.000 --> 0:30:19.920
<v Speaker 1>I just think the US political left has nothing to do.

0:30:22.920 --> 0:30:27.520
<v Speaker 1>That's that's the wrong way putting it, It has no

0:30:27.720 --> 0:30:31.760
<v Speaker 1>equivalent in Iran. Like, there's no no, there's nothing that

0:30:31.840 --> 0:30:33.600
<v Speaker 1>I can point to in your own and say, oh,

0:30:33.720 --> 0:30:39.480
<v Speaker 1>this is somehow reminding me of the political agenda.

0:30:39.520 --> 0:30:42.120
<v Speaker 2>Don't you really I would? There's not even there's no

0:30:42.400 --> 0:30:46.720
<v Speaker 2>like I mean, are there not even any fringe movements

0:30:46.840 --> 0:30:49.360
<v Speaker 2>in Iran that are you think are similar?

0:30:50.880 --> 0:30:54.920
<v Speaker 1>So you talked about the president of Iran and a

0:30:54.920 --> 0:30:59.440
<v Speaker 1>few nuts back, this guy is actually called a reformists.

0:30:59.720 --> 0:31:05.560
<v Speaker 1>So the are two, yes, yeah, there are two, at

0:31:05.640 --> 0:31:08.760
<v Speaker 1>least on paper, there are two political groups in Iran.

0:31:09.160 --> 0:31:14.880
<v Speaker 1>There's not really any divides. There's only one Islamic group,

0:31:15.560 --> 0:31:23.720
<v Speaker 1>and he is of the reformist group. These are these

0:31:23.720 --> 0:31:26.680
<v Speaker 1>people are supposed to be the political left in Iran.

0:31:27.440 --> 0:31:30.080
<v Speaker 1>But the fact of the marry is that all these

0:31:30.120 --> 0:31:33.640
<v Speaker 1>protests that happened, the protest that is happening right now,

0:31:33.720 --> 0:31:41.560
<v Speaker 1>the protests that happened in back in thirteen eighty eight. Paly,

0:31:42.080 --> 0:31:45.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm using because we use a different calendar system, So

0:31:45.760 --> 0:31:51.360
<v Speaker 1>thirteen eighty eight have been four and sixteen years ago.

0:31:53.600 --> 0:32:00.960
<v Speaker 1>The protest that happened then there under reformist government quote unquote,

0:32:01.160 --> 0:32:02.760
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people got killed and a lot of

0:32:02.760 --> 0:32:08.960
<v Speaker 1>people got arrested. So there is there's really no real

0:32:09.040 --> 0:32:14.000
<v Speaker 1>political left in me wrong, there is no there is

0:32:14.080 --> 0:32:18.240
<v Speaker 1>no opposition to be honest, and there are people outside

0:32:18.240 --> 0:32:25.240
<v Speaker 1>of youran that sort of take on that mantle. But again,

0:32:25.280 --> 0:32:27.320
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to get tuned to the politics of it.

0:32:27.960 --> 0:32:30.320
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to bore your audience. I would rather

0:32:30.440 --> 0:32:31.600
<v Speaker 1>people no.

0:32:31.720 --> 0:32:36.400
<v Speaker 2>I yeah, Well, actually it's funny you call because I'm like,

0:32:36.560 --> 0:32:40.560
<v Speaker 2>I'm very lately becoming on a personal level more interested

0:32:40.560 --> 0:32:48.600
<v Speaker 2>in geo politics after like, you know, fucking traveling and uh,

0:32:48.680 --> 0:32:51.720
<v Speaker 2>traveling to Iraq. I'm gonna, I'm gonna. I don't know,

0:32:52.000 --> 0:32:53.600
<v Speaker 2>I haven't I haven't talked about this on the podcast,

0:32:53.640 --> 0:32:56.760
<v Speaker 2>but I'm going to Ukraine in four days to make

0:32:56.800 --> 0:33:01.080
<v Speaker 2>a video there, so I don't And I've also just

0:33:01.080 --> 0:33:05.760
<v Speaker 2>been thinking about fucking America, been thinking about I talked

0:33:05.840 --> 0:33:10.280
<v Speaker 2>to Gemini about Israel and Palestine for like six hours

0:33:11.280 --> 0:33:15.720
<v Speaker 2>the other day, so I've just been I've been thinking

0:33:15.720 --> 0:33:21.320
<v Speaker 2>about a lot of this ship. What's it going to say? Oh, yes, oh,

0:33:21.360 --> 0:33:28.200
<v Speaker 2>I was gonna bring this up. There's this there's this TikTok,

0:33:28.840 --> 0:33:30.960
<v Speaker 2>this video that I don't know if it's the same

0:33:31.040 --> 0:33:33.480
<v Speaker 2>video if it's a bunch of different videos, but it's

0:33:33.520 --> 0:33:40.160
<v Speaker 2>going around and it's of these like younger teens in uh,

0:33:40.200 --> 0:33:44.160
<v Speaker 2>I think in Tehran who are like putting on like

0:33:44.200 --> 0:33:47.480
<v Speaker 2>a I if I think I'm correct that they're putting

0:33:47.520 --> 0:33:51.760
<v Speaker 2>on like a punk concert and like nobody's wearing a

0:33:51.840 --> 0:33:55.520
<v Speaker 2>hit job, and it's very like, uh, you know, like

0:33:55.600 --> 0:33:59.360
<v Speaker 2>this this like punk rock kind of informal thing happening

0:33:59.360 --> 0:34:01.720
<v Speaker 2>on the streets. If you've seen the video and that's

0:34:01.720 --> 0:34:03.440
<v Speaker 2>not what this is. It's something like that. I don't

0:34:03.440 --> 0:34:08.000
<v Speaker 2>know the exact thing, but okay, you've seen it, Okay,

0:34:08.040 --> 0:34:11.879
<v Speaker 2>And then a bunch of people are like, bro, does

0:34:11.920 --> 0:34:15.200
<v Speaker 2>secular mean religious or non religious? So if you say

0:34:15.239 --> 0:34:18.760
<v Speaker 2>something as non secular, that means it's not religious, right.

0:34:20.840 --> 0:34:25.360
<v Speaker 1>So sexually, my understanding of it is, and if I'm wrong,

0:34:25.920 --> 0:34:30.480
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to chats right now or way.

0:34:30.360 --> 0:34:32.160
<v Speaker 3>I can google this, okay, hold on.

0:34:32.400 --> 0:34:36.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, my understanding of it is it's a state where

0:34:36.200 --> 0:34:38.920
<v Speaker 1>religion and politics are separate.

0:34:39.719 --> 0:34:42.600
<v Speaker 2>Okay, all right, So ira so okay, basically okay, So

0:34:42.680 --> 0:34:45.520
<v Speaker 2>that would mean people in the comments are saying that

0:34:45.560 --> 0:34:52.640
<v Speaker 2>Iran is slowly becoming more secular. Do you think that's

0:34:53.000 --> 0:34:55.359
<v Speaker 2>do you think that's true? And do you think do

0:34:55.400 --> 0:34:58.960
<v Speaker 2>you think that like we're looking at like the future

0:34:58.960 --> 0:35:03.200
<v Speaker 2>of the country, do you think that like it will

0:35:03.400 --> 0:35:07.640
<v Speaker 2>it will become like slowly over generations more secular, or

0:35:07.680 --> 0:35:10.840
<v Speaker 2>do you think that like, uh, like regimes and people

0:35:10.840 --> 0:35:13.400
<v Speaker 2>in power are going to like shut that down.

0:35:15.920 --> 0:35:19.759
<v Speaker 1>So just to speak to the people in the chat,

0:35:19.800 --> 0:35:25.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm I'm not sure I'm being a little technologically

0:35:25.160 --> 0:35:28.799
<v Speaker 1>illiterate because I can't see your chat right now, but uh,

0:35:29.680 --> 0:35:33.200
<v Speaker 1>for the people in your chat to be perfectly almost

0:35:33.239 --> 0:35:36.759
<v Speaker 1>with you, and uh, I mean, I don't I don't

0:35:36.760 --> 0:35:40.399
<v Speaker 1>want this to get misconstrued. But since twenty twenty two

0:35:40.600 --> 0:35:46.360
<v Speaker 1>when the Mason MiQ photests happened, because a big, a

0:35:46.440 --> 0:35:52.240
<v Speaker 1>large focus of those photos was the mandatory h job laws.

0:35:52.400 --> 0:35:54.759
<v Speaker 1>So they wanted they wanted to make it so that

0:35:54.800 --> 0:36:00.440
<v Speaker 1>people could wear whatever they want, uh m hm, for

0:36:00.600 --> 0:36:03.799
<v Speaker 1>women not specifically not to have to wear a job.

0:36:04.320 --> 0:36:06.719
<v Speaker 1>So that was what happened in twenty twenty two and

0:36:06.800 --> 0:36:11.000
<v Speaker 1>to government twenty three. There are other civil rights issues

0:36:11.040 --> 0:36:13.320
<v Speaker 1>that the people were fighting for, but that was a

0:36:13.440 --> 0:36:18.040
<v Speaker 1>large focus then and since then, since then, the government

0:36:18.120 --> 0:36:23.479
<v Speaker 1>has been has been trying to let go of those

0:36:23.560 --> 0:36:27.360
<v Speaker 1>laws a little bit. It has been, it has become

0:36:28.080 --> 0:36:31.000
<v Speaker 1>it has become a little more lax on those laws.

0:36:31.360 --> 0:36:35.680
<v Speaker 1>And the reason for that is the government, in my opinion,

0:36:35.840 --> 0:36:38.840
<v Speaker 1>and this is this, that is my opinion, the government

0:36:38.920 --> 0:36:42.560
<v Speaker 1>is trying to buy itself more time by appealing to

0:36:45.600 --> 0:36:49.960
<v Speaker 1>the general population of your on and people.

0:36:50.560 --> 0:36:54.440
<v Speaker 2>You think it's a four dy chess move of like

0:36:54.520 --> 0:36:57.920
<v Speaker 2>we'll give a few, well, well it will sprinkle a

0:36:57.920 --> 0:37:01.320
<v Speaker 2>little bit of secularism here, buyer sells more time to

0:37:02.560 --> 0:37:06.480
<v Speaker 2>like to take it all away. Is that what you're saying.

0:37:08.480 --> 0:37:12.280
<v Speaker 1>Pretty much? Yes, But what I also what I'm also

0:37:12.320 --> 0:37:15.520
<v Speaker 1>saying is that so so for the people in Iran,

0:37:15.800 --> 0:37:20.920
<v Speaker 1>if not that they've been given the specific rights, maybe

0:37:20.920 --> 0:37:28.919
<v Speaker 1>some people feel like they've they've made some headway and

0:37:30.560 --> 0:37:35.480
<v Speaker 1>it's a bargain of sorts and the government is trying

0:37:35.520 --> 0:37:39.120
<v Speaker 1>to sort of pay them off by giving them these

0:37:40.880 --> 0:37:46.360
<v Speaker 1>specific freedom. But first of all, the laws are still

0:37:46.480 --> 0:37:49.480
<v Speaker 1>that a job is mandatory in Iran, it's just not

0:37:49.719 --> 0:37:54.040
<v Speaker 1>being forced as much as before. So that's one thing.

0:37:54.400 --> 0:37:58.359
<v Speaker 1>And also when you have people without his job going

0:37:58.400 --> 0:38:02.359
<v Speaker 1>around in Iran. You can take videos of that and

0:38:02.360 --> 0:38:09.359
<v Speaker 1>send it, send it too far, impressed and tell them

0:38:09.400 --> 0:38:13.000
<v Speaker 1>all you're on is free. You're on is like Lebanon run,

0:38:13.239 --> 0:38:19.080
<v Speaker 1>like the U A E. It's like Dubai. People are having,

0:38:19.239 --> 0:38:22.240
<v Speaker 1>you know, the time of their lives. That is certainly

0:38:22.280 --> 0:38:26.040
<v Speaker 1>not the case. And uh for a lot of people,

0:38:26.040 --> 0:38:29.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, people are still getting you know, arrest. That's

0:38:29.640 --> 0:38:34.319
<v Speaker 1>for not having his job. It's just not happening as

0:38:34.400 --> 0:38:35.160
<v Speaker 1>much as before.

0:38:37.080 --> 0:38:47.880
<v Speaker 2>Mm hmmm mm hmm h what's your name again?

0:38:50.800 --> 0:38:51.520
<v Speaker 1>Uh?

0:38:51.560 --> 0:38:59.839
<v Speaker 2>My name is Armah Ahmed armand ar armand armand Arma,

0:39:00.239 --> 0:39:07.080
<v Speaker 2>armand armand and yes, how you how you feel in armand.

0:39:10.120 --> 0:39:15.640
<v Speaker 1>Frankly, I'm I'm very hired. I uh, you know, I

0:39:15.719 --> 0:39:18.960
<v Speaker 1>haven't had a call any week from many one inside

0:39:19.040 --> 0:39:23.120
<v Speaker 1>you on so uh at this point because some other people,

0:39:23.400 --> 0:39:27.239
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if everybody has had called some of

0:39:27.320 --> 0:39:30.640
<v Speaker 1>the people have talked to you and whatever day I've

0:39:30.719 --> 0:39:33.480
<v Speaker 1>had calls from you on. So now that I haven't

0:39:33.520 --> 0:39:38.640
<v Speaker 1>been in contacted by anybody on wondering if somebody has

0:39:38.760 --> 0:39:42.520
<v Speaker 1>died and they are not calling me because if they do,

0:39:42.680 --> 0:39:47.279
<v Speaker 1>they would have to go ah, and that is very

0:39:47.320 --> 0:39:53.759
<v Speaker 1>difficult and uh, well a lot of scary stuff is

0:39:53.800 --> 0:39:59.960
<v Speaker 1>also happened there, so mm hmmm, it just uh yeah,

0:40:00.040 --> 0:40:04.480
<v Speaker 1>I've just been very tired that I've been eating the

0:40:04.600 --> 0:40:10.360
<v Speaker 1>needs and I've been trying to you know, be active

0:40:10.719 --> 0:40:13.080
<v Speaker 1>on social media. That there's nothing else I can do,

0:40:14.680 --> 0:40:18.600
<v Speaker 1>and uh, I just wanted to get on here and

0:40:18.719 --> 0:40:26.080
<v Speaker 1>talk to people because maybe you haven't had maybe you

0:40:26.200 --> 0:40:31.000
<v Speaker 1>haven't seen a lot of publical views online, but you

0:40:31.400 --> 0:40:33.319
<v Speaker 1>might see it in the future. And I just warned

0:40:33.400 --> 0:40:38.840
<v Speaker 1>people to know that there are lives that's taking here on.

0:40:39.840 --> 0:40:45.360
<v Speaker 1>There are people who are suffering, and I feel like

0:40:45.480 --> 0:40:50.480
<v Speaker 1>this is the least I can do two to just

0:40:51.320 --> 0:40:58.520
<v Speaker 1>tell people what's going on and whatever, what are political

0:40:58.600 --> 0:41:03.239
<v Speaker 1>stuff is going on out there. The people are still

0:41:03.800 --> 0:41:07.759
<v Speaker 1>you know, they're suffering, they're dying, they're getting arrested, they're

0:41:07.840 --> 0:41:16.640
<v Speaker 1>having their basic human rights pummeled, and I I just

0:41:16.719 --> 0:41:24.600
<v Speaker 1>wish I could do more. Uh h yeah, I am,

0:41:29.400 --> 0:41:33.200
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I did you want to ask something else?

0:41:33.239 --> 0:41:37.160
<v Speaker 1>I really want to talk as much as possible because

0:41:37.200 --> 0:41:42.640
<v Speaker 1>I think I feel like I have a I have

0:41:44.920 --> 0:41:50.640
<v Speaker 1>a duty, you know. I uh, I'm not sure if

0:41:51.200 --> 0:41:55.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure you guys have heard of like survivor's guilt

0:41:56.080 --> 0:41:59.560
<v Speaker 1>I feel a little bit of survivors guilt, and I

0:42:00.080 --> 0:42:03.840
<v Speaker 1>have been feeling that for since I moved to Canada,

0:42:03.920 --> 0:42:08.640
<v Speaker 1>because uh, I have been in contact with people on

0:42:08.719 --> 0:42:11.799
<v Speaker 1>your own and a lot of them are doing it very,

0:42:12.160 --> 0:42:16.080
<v Speaker 1>very poorly. And uh uh that could be me. You know,

0:42:16.160 --> 0:42:22.960
<v Speaker 1>I could tell myself that could be and it could

0:42:23.040 --> 0:42:26.480
<v Speaker 1>be me who's unemployed. It could be me who's who

0:42:26.560 --> 0:42:31.840
<v Speaker 1>can't afford anything. It could be me who who dreams

0:42:31.880 --> 0:42:35.440
<v Speaker 1>about having a car or even phone. It could be

0:42:35.600 --> 0:42:39.120
<v Speaker 1>me there and now, it could be me fighting for

0:42:39.239 --> 0:42:47.640
<v Speaker 1>my life, fighting for food, and uh, things like these

0:42:47.880 --> 0:42:51.600
<v Speaker 1>don't know any public and you know, when people are hungry,

0:42:53.640 --> 0:42:59.040
<v Speaker 1>that's that's the end of the line. And I think

0:42:59.080 --> 0:43:01.920
<v Speaker 1>it's very important from you to the goals of my people.

0:43:03.520 --> 0:43:11.040
<v Speaker 1>And I just wish I was more elocal, and I

0:43:11.120 --> 0:43:16.920
<v Speaker 1>wish I was more politically savvy. I wish I knew more.

0:43:17.120 --> 0:43:22.759
<v Speaker 1>I wish I studied more so that I could say more, well,

0:43:23.000 --> 0:43:24.160
<v Speaker 1>I know, well.

0:43:24.280 --> 0:43:27.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm in you, but you well, it's you know, it's

0:43:27.640 --> 0:43:29.600
<v Speaker 2>funny to me because that you say It's funny to

0:43:29.640 --> 0:43:32.600
<v Speaker 2>me that you say that because and this is kind

0:43:32.640 --> 0:43:37.200
<v Speaker 2>of this is my uh you know, I like kind

0:43:37.239 --> 0:43:39.520
<v Speaker 2>of approaching these conversations through the lens of like who

0:43:39.600 --> 0:43:43.680
<v Speaker 2>are you right? Because I was like asking you more

0:43:43.760 --> 0:43:45.960
<v Speaker 2>questions about yourself earlier and you were like, well, I

0:43:46.000 --> 0:43:48.160
<v Speaker 2>would I want to you know, more talk about h

0:43:48.880 --> 0:43:52.320
<v Speaker 2>you know, kind of uh broader political issues.

0:43:52.480 --> 0:43:53.880
<v Speaker 3>But to me, I I think.

0:43:55.200 --> 0:44:00.160
<v Speaker 2>You know, your your knowledge of a specific thing is

0:44:00.440 --> 0:44:07.600
<v Speaker 2>is less is I will say to me, what's more

0:44:07.640 --> 0:44:11.279
<v Speaker 2>powerful is just you as a person and your feelings

0:44:12.000 --> 0:44:17.600
<v Speaker 2>and your your lived experience and and so I think

0:44:17.640 --> 0:44:22.400
<v Speaker 2>you're sending a really strong message to people just simply

0:44:22.440 --> 0:44:27.120
<v Speaker 2>through your lived experience, you know, regardless of political savviness,

0:44:27.760 --> 0:44:31.399
<v Speaker 2>your your you know, you you lived there for twenty

0:44:31.480 --> 0:44:35.400
<v Speaker 2>four years and you saw things that you can talk about,

0:44:35.480 --> 0:44:41.520
<v Speaker 2>not you know, filtered through uh a journalist or a

0:44:41.600 --> 0:44:45.360
<v Speaker 2>social media post or a text message. So you know,

0:44:45.520 --> 0:44:50.200
<v Speaker 2>to me, your just sharing of your lived experience is

0:44:52.480 --> 0:44:55.360
<v Speaker 2>I think a lot more powerful than you having some

0:44:55.520 --> 0:45:01.440
<v Speaker 2>kind of uh savviness over the complex information in regarding

0:45:02.360 --> 0:45:07.360
<v Speaker 2>any kind of geo geopolitical issue and uh, you know,

0:45:07.480 --> 0:45:10.920
<v Speaker 2>before we go, I I I appreciate you sharing all

0:45:10.960 --> 0:45:14.520
<v Speaker 2>of this stuff with us. And I'm I'm I'm, I'm like,

0:45:14.880 --> 0:45:18.040
<v Speaker 2>I'm seriously praying for you and for your family, and

0:45:20.440 --> 0:45:23.120
<v Speaker 2>you know it's also thanks for coming, Thanks for coming

0:45:23.160 --> 0:45:26.000
<v Speaker 2>to my dumb show to talk to talk about all

0:45:26.040 --> 0:45:28.600
<v Speaker 2>of this stuff. I really, you know, I appreciate it.

0:45:29.840 --> 0:45:33.360
<v Speaker 1>Can I just say, okay, I know your time is

0:45:33.560 --> 0:45:35.839
<v Speaker 1>on school valuable and I don't want to go ahead

0:45:35.920 --> 0:45:38.000
<v Speaker 1>get into too much. But by the way, if you're

0:45:38.080 --> 0:45:41.560
<v Speaker 1>interested in how I was living there on and I

0:45:41.600 --> 0:45:44.759
<v Speaker 1>could talk about that, but I don't want to. I

0:45:44.800 --> 0:45:47.560
<v Speaker 1>don't want to drag this on forever. I can talk

0:45:47.600 --> 0:45:49.920
<v Speaker 1>about my childhood, and there's a lot of When I

0:45:50.040 --> 0:45:55.640
<v Speaker 1>talk about my childhood, people listen then are fascinated, whether

0:45:55.760 --> 0:45:57.960
<v Speaker 1>in a good way or bad way. Definitely in a

0:45:58.040 --> 0:46:02.080
<v Speaker 1>bad way. But I can talk about my childhood if

0:46:02.080 --> 0:46:07.040
<v Speaker 1>you're interested. But just getting on the show, I want

0:46:07.040 --> 0:46:08.919
<v Speaker 1>to make this clear. I know a lot of people

0:46:09.040 --> 0:46:16.160
<v Speaker 1>from all different sorts of political ideas. They listen to

0:46:16.239 --> 0:46:20.960
<v Speaker 1>your show, you know, really left, right, whatever, listen to

0:46:21.040 --> 0:46:27.160
<v Speaker 1>your show, and you talk to something very personal and human.

0:46:27.840 --> 0:46:32.759
<v Speaker 1>And I was sure that if I get on your show,

0:46:35.120 --> 0:46:38.520
<v Speaker 1>you would ask questions that were the right questions. And

0:46:38.640 --> 0:46:41.960
<v Speaker 1>I feel like you have to show and again, I

0:46:42.000 --> 0:46:46.279
<v Speaker 1>don't know I'm not gonna, you know, have a show

0:46:46.320 --> 0:46:49.200
<v Speaker 1>call on your podcast or whatever, but if you did

0:46:49.440 --> 0:46:53.800
<v Speaker 1>want to hear more about my childhood, I'm willing to

0:46:53.840 --> 0:46:58.000
<v Speaker 1>talk about it. I think it would be important let

0:46:58.160 --> 0:47:03.320
<v Speaker 1>people know about it too. I don't know, it's not

0:47:03.760 --> 0:47:04.480
<v Speaker 1>it's okay.

0:47:04.640 --> 0:47:12.040
<v Speaker 3>Any stick mm hmm, yeah, do you want to.

0:47:15.400 --> 0:47:24.080
<v Speaker 1>Yes? So yeah, And I don't want to use two

0:47:24.200 --> 0:47:29.839
<v Speaker 1>strong language, but okay. I remember when I was when

0:47:29.880 --> 0:47:32.799
<v Speaker 1>I started going to school. Uh. And this is true

0:47:32.880 --> 0:47:41.800
<v Speaker 1>of schools all true Iran. First of all, it's a boys'

0:47:41.840 --> 0:47:47.239
<v Speaker 1>school and girls' schools. There's no co education unless it's

0:47:47.239 --> 0:47:50.120
<v Speaker 1>in a very small village somewhere. And it just doesn't

0:47:50.160 --> 0:47:54.080
<v Speaker 1>make sense to have two classrooms because you know, there's

0:47:54.440 --> 0:47:57.920
<v Speaker 1>there's just one teacher and he's trying to teach like

0:47:58.440 --> 0:48:04.960
<v Speaker 1>multiple multiple levels. But generally, like in Tehran, all the

0:48:05.080 --> 0:48:09.160
<v Speaker 1>schools are segregated by I don't know if that's the

0:48:09.280 --> 0:48:16.160
<v Speaker 1>right work, but they're split by gender and uh, and

0:48:16.280 --> 0:48:21.360
<v Speaker 1>that's all the way to secondary school like high school.

0:48:21.680 --> 0:48:25.680
<v Speaker 1>And UH. When I started going to school, we used

0:48:25.719 --> 0:48:31.680
<v Speaker 1>to uh in in the school yard and we would

0:48:32.680 --> 0:48:37.160
<v Speaker 1>it would ask us to form lines like military lines,

0:48:37.760 --> 0:48:40.240
<v Speaker 1>and I don't know if there's normal. Maybe it's normal

0:48:40.320 --> 0:48:43.120
<v Speaker 1>in some places. I don't know if it ever happens

0:48:43.160 --> 0:48:46.680
<v Speaker 1>in the US, but uh, we would basically form lines

0:48:46.880 --> 0:48:51.680
<v Speaker 1>and uh uh whatever you call it. The dean, the

0:48:53.480 --> 0:48:54.840
<v Speaker 1>the head teacher that.

0:48:56.960 --> 0:49:00.840
<v Speaker 3>Sorry, the principal or dean probably I suppose yeah.

0:49:00.719 --> 0:49:06.040
<v Speaker 1>Sorry, I'm again, this is my second language. The principle

0:49:06.080 --> 0:49:11.560
<v Speaker 1>would get up, uh on I put him and he

0:49:11.600 --> 0:49:18.480
<v Speaker 1>would start chanting things and uh chanting religious stuff. And

0:49:19.000 --> 0:49:20.920
<v Speaker 1>depending on all the time of the year, it is,

0:49:21.239 --> 0:49:26.920
<v Speaker 1>uh there was a specific religious Uh. I wouldn't call

0:49:26.960 --> 0:49:29.399
<v Speaker 1>it holidays, but there it would be like the death

0:49:29.480 --> 0:49:32.800
<v Speaker 1>of my mom or somebody, and they would change things

0:49:32.880 --> 0:49:36.800
<v Speaker 1>for that, and they would read a bit of kron

0:49:36.920 --> 0:49:41.120
<v Speaker 1>and then they chant things like death to as well

0:49:41.400 --> 0:49:45.719
<v Speaker 1>as to America. They would change stuff like this. This

0:49:45.920 --> 0:49:51.920
<v Speaker 1>is the exact thing. Yes to six year olds. Six

0:49:52.040 --> 0:49:57.279
<v Speaker 1>year olds all around your on and we would we

0:49:57.320 --> 0:49:59.879
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't know what it means. But I don't go where

0:50:00.239 --> 0:50:03.960
<v Speaker 1>the US. Wise, you know, when you were talking to

0:50:04.000 --> 0:50:06.680
<v Speaker 1>a six year old, the six year old doesn't know

0:50:07.080 --> 0:50:12.680
<v Speaker 1>where you know, it's you talk to a six year

0:50:12.680 --> 0:50:16.480
<v Speaker 1>old in the US, they might not know where. I

0:50:16.520 --> 0:50:22.560
<v Speaker 1>don't know, for example, where Minnesota is. No, they wouldn't

0:50:22.600 --> 0:50:25.400
<v Speaker 1>even have a clear idea. They might not even have

0:50:25.480 --> 0:50:28.279
<v Speaker 1>a clear idea of what a country is and whether

0:50:28.400 --> 0:50:32.000
<v Speaker 1>the US is and Minnesota. I remember when I was

0:50:32.040 --> 0:50:34.160
<v Speaker 1>a kid, I think at some point I thought that

0:50:34.800 --> 0:50:38.080
<v Speaker 1>Iran was a place in Tehran because I was a kid,

0:50:38.320 --> 0:50:42.680
<v Speaker 1>like I didn't know anything anything right, right, So but

0:50:43.160 --> 0:50:46.080
<v Speaker 1>at that age, it would make you chant and like

0:50:46.680 --> 0:50:53.320
<v Speaker 1>to this this entity and that entity. And you know,

0:50:53.440 --> 0:50:58.399
<v Speaker 1>it's just very when people talk about industry nation, that's

0:50:58.800 --> 0:51:01.960
<v Speaker 1>that's really what it is. And I just want to

0:51:02.000 --> 0:51:05.440
<v Speaker 1>make it clear that doesn't mean that everybody in London

0:51:05.680 --> 0:51:10.680
<v Speaker 1>is in doctrine naked or a games all Western entities

0:51:11.000 --> 0:51:17.120
<v Speaker 1>or whatever, especially now because you know, now is the

0:51:17.160 --> 0:51:18.560
<v Speaker 1>age of internet. But when I was the kid, we

0:51:18.640 --> 0:51:22.080
<v Speaker 1>didn't have internet. The internet was just coming around. You know,

0:51:22.200 --> 0:51:25.640
<v Speaker 1>we're about the same age, so you know, I remember

0:51:25.719 --> 0:51:31.279
<v Speaker 1>I remember Google coming around, like I remember Marcus of

0:51:31.360 --> 0:51:35.920
<v Speaker 1>ninety eight, and back then people didn't know, but they

0:51:36.000 --> 0:51:38.480
<v Speaker 1>didn't have all that information that they have now. They

0:51:38.480 --> 0:51:44.080
<v Speaker 1>didn't have access to social media. But now people know,

0:51:46.640 --> 0:51:51.640
<v Speaker 1>and still they chanced these things at that level. And

0:51:53.320 --> 0:51:55.280
<v Speaker 1>when I was a kid, you know, you have music

0:51:55.520 --> 0:52:01.600
<v Speaker 1>classes at school? You have I don't know. Yeah, let's

0:52:01.600 --> 0:52:03.680
<v Speaker 1>start with music classes. We don't. We didn't have any

0:52:03.760 --> 0:52:07.520
<v Speaker 1>sort of art classes. I remember one year in middle

0:52:07.560 --> 0:52:11.920
<v Speaker 1>school we have we had a sort of painting class,

0:52:12.840 --> 0:52:18.000
<v Speaker 1>drawing sort of class, and that was the only only

0:52:18.120 --> 0:52:22.000
<v Speaker 1>year I had that. And we had shopped for one

0:52:22.080 --> 0:52:25.800
<v Speaker 1>year as inn you know, uh workshop where you do

0:52:25.960 --> 0:52:30.360
<v Speaker 1>woodworking or whatever, and that was it that those were

0:52:30.480 --> 0:52:38.120
<v Speaker 1>my two classes. Instead, we had things like religious studies,

0:52:39.200 --> 0:52:43.480
<v Speaker 1>and we had Arabic. I mean, it's it's a language.

0:52:43.560 --> 0:52:49.080
<v Speaker 1>There's nothing wrong with Aratic. I'm you know, if you're

0:52:49.120 --> 0:52:53.480
<v Speaker 1>interested in studying it, more power to you. It has

0:52:54.200 --> 0:52:58.640
<v Speaker 1>if a beautiful language is a history whatever. But we

0:52:58.840 --> 0:53:05.040
<v Speaker 1>would study Arabic specifically to study the Quran, and we

0:53:05.160 --> 0:53:07.320
<v Speaker 1>would have so we would have Arabic, we would have

0:53:07.480 --> 0:53:11.280
<v Speaker 1>a separate class for Quran. We would have a separate

0:53:11.400 --> 0:53:14.759
<v Speaker 1>class for religious studies. And then when I got to

0:53:14.880 --> 0:53:23.200
<v Speaker 1>high school, we had a class called defense, defense preparation

0:53:23.440 --> 0:53:26.200
<v Speaker 1>something like that. It's I'm trying to translate here, and

0:53:26.480 --> 0:53:32.840
<v Speaker 1>that might not be the exact thing. But this this book,

0:53:32.960 --> 0:53:40.040
<v Speaker 1>the textbook is basically all about gardens, all about you know,

0:53:41.080 --> 0:53:47.759
<v Speaker 1>how to be prepared for a foreign attack, and this

0:53:48.000 --> 0:53:52.680
<v Speaker 1>is this was a textbook at school, at high school level.

0:53:53.440 --> 0:53:57.160
<v Speaker 1>And obviously, like when I was growing up, even this

0:53:57.520 --> 0:54:03.040
<v Speaker 1>was in twenty ten, let's say we didn't really buy it.

0:54:03.200 --> 0:54:07.520
<v Speaker 1>Like everyone in my class knew that this was nonsense,

0:54:07.880 --> 0:54:12.880
<v Speaker 1>Like this was really.

0:54:10.800 --> 0:54:13.719
<v Speaker 2>Even when you are even when you were like, uh,

0:54:14.320 --> 0:54:17.080
<v Speaker 2>you know, a high school, middle school, you were like,

0:54:18.120 --> 0:54:20.920
<v Speaker 2>this is a this is a lot, this is not

0:54:21.280 --> 0:54:21.600
<v Speaker 2>the thing.

0:54:28.520 --> 0:54:31.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, listen, I'm not saying that there was

0:54:31.280 --> 0:54:36.960
<v Speaker 1>nobody I was. I was Again, I was kind of privileged.

0:54:37.640 --> 0:54:42.120
<v Speaker 1>I wasn't rich. My family was middle rich, but we

0:54:42.239 --> 0:54:44.840
<v Speaker 1>were middle class, upper middle class even at some points

0:54:44.880 --> 0:54:52.200
<v Speaker 1>maybe so the people I hung out with were they had, uh,

0:54:53.080 --> 0:54:56.000
<v Speaker 1>they had time in their day to sit down and think,

0:54:56.600 --> 0:55:04.400
<v Speaker 1>and they had families who you know, they they've arn't wealthy.

0:55:05.040 --> 0:55:08.320
<v Speaker 1>Thankfully I wouldn't. I wouldn't under a lot of super

0:55:08.440 --> 0:55:12.480
<v Speaker 1>wealthy to our people because some of those people are

0:55:12.600 --> 0:55:17.120
<v Speaker 1>actually pro regime because they get paid by real regime. Again,

0:55:17.160 --> 0:55:18.680
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to get too cool to go with

0:55:18.760 --> 0:55:19.279
<v Speaker 1>this right now.

0:55:20.440 --> 0:55:23.520
<v Speaker 2>Is there a weird thing where like, is there a

0:55:23.560 --> 0:55:28.319
<v Speaker 2>weird thing where like if you're like like if you're

0:55:28.440 --> 0:55:31.320
<v Speaker 2>very poor and you have access to you you know,

0:55:31.520 --> 0:55:34.880
<v Speaker 2>really don't have that much access to like greater education

0:55:35.080 --> 0:55:38.560
<v Speaker 2>or greater information or even like time to think like

0:55:38.760 --> 0:55:41.560
<v Speaker 2>you support the regime because of propaganda, and then if

0:55:41.600 --> 0:55:44.239
<v Speaker 2>you're really really rich, you support the regime because the

0:55:44.280 --> 0:55:47.200
<v Speaker 2>regime acts in your favor.

0:55:49.280 --> 0:55:53.600
<v Speaker 1>That that is basically that is very perceptual of you.

0:55:53.760 --> 0:55:58.120
<v Speaker 1>I was I was trying to uh put that into words,

0:55:58.200 --> 0:56:02.160
<v Speaker 1>but that is more less it access. There are a

0:56:02.239 --> 0:56:04.160
<v Speaker 1>lot of pool people. There are a lot of pool

0:56:04.200 --> 0:56:08.160
<v Speaker 1>people in your own who are against the regime. But

0:56:08.760 --> 0:56:10.480
<v Speaker 1>just to be clear, there are some people who are

0:56:10.680 --> 0:56:17.200
<v Speaker 1>so starved for information or they're so heavily inductrin that

0:56:18.719 --> 0:56:21.120
<v Speaker 1>they don't really know they have an option to oppose

0:56:21.200 --> 0:56:24.400
<v Speaker 1>the regime or complain about things.

0:56:24.520 --> 0:56:25.840
<v Speaker 3>Even Yeah, it doesn't.

0:56:25.600 --> 0:56:29.560
<v Speaker 2>Even like consciously register. Like they're so deep in like

0:56:29.640 --> 0:56:32.160
<v Speaker 2>the indoctrination of it, like the idea that they could

0:56:33.360 --> 0:56:35.600
<v Speaker 2>not it's like not even in the consciousness.

0:56:37.719 --> 0:56:41.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like they don't even even with the Internet. I

0:56:41.880 --> 0:56:45.160
<v Speaker 1>don't know how this is possible. But they're still a

0:56:45.719 --> 0:56:49.600
<v Speaker 1>minority group out there who don't really understand that there

0:56:49.719 --> 0:56:52.520
<v Speaker 1>is so much out there. I guess they don't install

0:56:52.560 --> 0:56:57.040
<v Speaker 1>on Instagram on their phones or whatever, or they don't

0:56:57.160 --> 0:57:01.880
<v Speaker 1>use vpms because you don't know. I'm skipping ahead. But

0:57:02.600 --> 0:57:05.359
<v Speaker 1>basically they don't have an idea of how people live

0:57:06.239 --> 0:57:08.880
<v Speaker 1>outside of Iran, or they think that that sort of

0:57:08.920 --> 0:57:13.240
<v Speaker 1>stuff is a complete fantasy, because if they saw normal

0:57:13.400 --> 0:57:18.400
<v Speaker 1>life in Europe, in even in Turkey, if they if

0:57:18.480 --> 0:57:21.520
<v Speaker 1>they could see what normal life is like in even

0:57:21.640 --> 0:57:27.800
<v Speaker 1>Lebanon in Turkey, they would start complaining very heavily. But

0:57:27.960 --> 0:57:32.320
<v Speaker 1>they don't. And again maybe they're just not connected. And

0:57:33.440 --> 0:57:36.320
<v Speaker 1>I said the word vidend you guys know what a

0:57:36.400 --> 0:57:40.200
<v Speaker 1>viv ands. I'm sure it's a but in Iran it

0:57:40.280 --> 0:57:46.680
<v Speaker 1>has a different meaning because the state sensors Internet very heavily,

0:57:46.920 --> 0:57:50.000
<v Speaker 1>so you don't have access to in Iran. When I

0:57:50.160 --> 0:57:53.760
<v Speaker 1>was living there, I didn't have access to YouTube, I

0:57:53.840 --> 0:57:58.200
<v Speaker 1>didn't have access to Facebook, and I had access to Instagram,

0:57:58.280 --> 0:58:01.960
<v Speaker 1>which was very weird for a while. And I think

0:58:02.160 --> 0:58:05.360
<v Speaker 1>now you don't have access to Instagram either, So you

0:58:05.640 --> 0:58:09.920
<v Speaker 1>have to use a private network of some kind of

0:58:10.040 --> 0:58:16.280
<v Speaker 1>VPN to connect to the censored Internet inside of you.

0:58:16.400 --> 0:58:21.000
<v Speaker 1>On uh, and that's not the whole list, by the way.

0:58:21.280 --> 0:58:25.000
<v Speaker 1>A lot of a lot of publications, a lot of

0:58:25.440 --> 0:58:29.040
<v Speaker 1>different websites are censored inside Iran, so when you try

0:58:29.120 --> 0:58:31.720
<v Speaker 1>to connect to them, you get a web page that

0:58:32.680 --> 0:58:35.600
<v Speaker 1>basically tells you it has it has a bunch of

0:58:35.680 --> 0:58:43.160
<v Speaker 1>blanks to other websites that are pro regeme or or whatever. Sorry,

0:58:43.200 --> 0:58:45.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm going on a bit. I don't know if

0:58:45.880 --> 0:58:47.080
<v Speaker 1>you have any questions so far.

0:58:48.160 --> 0:58:53.880
<v Speaker 2>No, it's been really interesting to hear about about all

0:58:53.960 --> 0:58:57.760
<v Speaker 2>of this. Yeah, like oh man, I I uh, well,

0:58:57.800 --> 0:58:59.840
<v Speaker 2>it's you know, we had a guy on the podcast

0:59:02.480 --> 0:59:04.920
<v Speaker 2>a few episodes ago who was talking about like, you know,

0:59:05.040 --> 0:59:10.280
<v Speaker 2>he was raised like ultra orthodox Jewish and they had

0:59:10.320 --> 0:59:12.600
<v Speaker 2>a similar he had a similar kind of a thing.

0:59:13.240 --> 0:59:14.880
<v Speaker 2>And it's it's weird. It feels like it's like the

0:59:14.960 --> 0:59:18.160
<v Speaker 2>same story in a bunch of different places, Like I'm

0:59:18.160 --> 0:59:22.040
<v Speaker 2>thinking about like North Korea too, about like people who

0:59:22.240 --> 0:59:29.160
<v Speaker 2>just they just don't know about the the the like

0:59:29.680 --> 0:59:33.520
<v Speaker 2>Greater Beyond, I guess because the government's done a really

0:59:33.560 --> 0:59:39.960
<v Speaker 2>good job at censoring and you know all that stuff. Uh,

0:59:42.400 --> 0:59:44.880
<v Speaker 2>And yeah, it's it is interesting to be like, man,

0:59:45.000 --> 0:59:48.280
<v Speaker 2>you know, same same story across a bunch of same

0:59:48.360 --> 0:59:53.600
<v Speaker 2>story across a bunch of different applications. You know, I'm

0:59:53.640 --> 0:59:57.760
<v Speaker 2>really and I'm a crap. I think we I crap.

0:59:57.760 --> 0:59:59.960
<v Speaker 2>I think I do have to go uh kind of suit.

1:00:00.240 --> 1:00:04.720
<v Speaker 2>But I know, you know, you don't apolgize, just Christ,

1:00:04.720 --> 1:00:06.240
<v Speaker 2>you don't have to pologest for anything. This is I've

1:00:06.240 --> 1:00:15.520
<v Speaker 2>been I've sincerely, really really enjoyed talking to you. It's yeah, dude,

1:00:15.560 --> 1:00:21.600
<v Speaker 2>it's it's interesting. I mean, do you feel I know

1:00:21.720 --> 1:00:24.440
<v Speaker 2>you've expressed a lot of your kind of conflicting feelings

1:00:24.480 --> 1:00:28.120
<v Speaker 2>about being able to leave Iran and and go to

1:00:28.240 --> 1:00:36.800
<v Speaker 2>the West, But are you, like I have a weird question.

1:00:37.960 --> 1:00:40.560
<v Speaker 2>There's a weird question, and this just has to do

1:00:40.680 --> 1:00:45.080
<v Speaker 2>with like having an existential crisis. But like, you're an

1:00:45.200 --> 1:00:49.400
<v Speaker 2>educated guy. I think I think it's it's almost it's pretty.

1:00:49.440 --> 1:00:52.400
<v Speaker 2>It's I think it's objectively probably better to be educated

1:00:53.040 --> 1:00:55.760
<v Speaker 2>than not. But like, you're an educated guy, right, But

1:00:55.920 --> 1:01:00.360
<v Speaker 2>do you ever do you ever do you think rance

1:01:01.000 --> 1:01:03.360
<v Speaker 2>would ever would be nice? You know what I mean?

1:01:03.600 --> 1:01:06.000
<v Speaker 2>What does that ever stay? Like? Just do you feel

1:01:06.040 --> 1:01:10.640
<v Speaker 2>do you feel burdened by your own clarity of the

1:01:10.720 --> 1:01:12.800
<v Speaker 2>greater universe that lies beyond?

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<v Speaker 1>It's an interesting question. I'm gonna I'm gonna respond by

1:01:26.840 --> 1:01:29.160
<v Speaker 1>a scenario. Was something that actually happened to me when

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<v Speaker 1>I was when I was just starting university in my

1:01:33.360 --> 1:01:40.240
<v Speaker 1>basslords in Iran, I read nineteen eighty four. Yeah, I

1:01:40.320 --> 1:01:44.120
<v Speaker 1>read ninety eighty four, and I felt for a lot

1:01:44.160 --> 1:01:49.680
<v Speaker 1>of week after I read it, I felt extreme anxiety

1:01:50.400 --> 1:01:56.360
<v Speaker 1>and I just felt awful because I felt like I

1:01:56.520 --> 1:02:03.120
<v Speaker 1>was living inside nineteen eighty four, Like there are people

1:02:03.160 --> 1:02:06.000
<v Speaker 1>in your own who would tell on their neighbors, like

1:02:07.560 --> 1:02:11.080
<v Speaker 1>you can you can get ahead by selling out people

1:02:11.120 --> 1:02:17.520
<v Speaker 1>who you know to the government. That is exactly something

1:02:17.560 --> 1:02:20.720
<v Speaker 1>that happens in nineteen eighty four, among other things that

1:02:20.880 --> 1:02:30.640
<v Speaker 1>I felt resonated. And I just want to say that

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like if I wasn't an educated guy, I

1:02:36.520 --> 1:02:41.000
<v Speaker 1>shouldn't read that book. It's not just about literacy. I

1:02:41.120 --> 1:02:42.520
<v Speaker 1>think you have to go a little bit out of

1:02:42.640 --> 1:02:47.080
<v Speaker 1>your way to read something like that, right, And it's

1:02:47.160 --> 1:02:49.320
<v Speaker 1>a choice, like you have to sit down and you

1:02:49.400 --> 1:02:53.400
<v Speaker 1>have to finish the book, even though it's genuinely like

1:02:54.920 --> 1:03:02.480
<v Speaker 1>eating you up. And and I just want to say

1:03:02.560 --> 1:03:07.800
<v Speaker 1>that I'm the I think I'm a better person for it. Yes, yes, yes,

1:03:08.960 --> 1:03:13.280
<v Speaker 1>any person, anyone might have a different depend members. But uh,

1:03:14.440 --> 1:03:16.600
<v Speaker 1>the fact that I'm calling you right now, I'm trying

1:03:16.680 --> 1:03:21.320
<v Speaker 1>to stand up and be the voice of the running people. Uh.

1:03:23.040 --> 1:03:25.480
<v Speaker 1>I shouldn't say it like that because I'm I'm the

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<v Speaker 1>voice of me. I just I'm trying to say sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, go ahead what you're saying.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm not. I'm not anybody who attorney you know,

1:03:37.840 --> 1:03:39.800
<v Speaker 1>but I know a lot of people have had the

1:03:39.880 --> 1:03:42.919
<v Speaker 1>same experience, and a lot of those people are still

1:03:42.920 --> 1:03:45.640
<v Speaker 1>living in it, so it's been an even voice for them.

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<v Speaker 1>If I if I didn't have the education that I've had,

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<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't have a chance and a privilege to uh

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<v Speaker 1>stand up with people. And I wouldn't have the chance

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<v Speaker 1>to uh anymore because you know, the knowledge, even if

1:04:16.000 --> 1:04:22.600
<v Speaker 1>it brings pain with it. Uh, it's just still a privilege. Yes, yeah,

1:04:23.000 --> 1:04:25.120
<v Speaker 1>if you don't have the knowledge, you can't you can't

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<v Speaker 1>do anything. And uh.

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<v Speaker 2>Well oh sorry, sorry, sorry, I'll let you finish.

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<v Speaker 1>And other people who will suffer for it. M M. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's all I wanted to say on that. If

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<v Speaker 1>you really have to go, just give me a few

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<v Speaker 1>seconds and uh them makes fun. It's not a statement,

1:04:53.000 --> 1:04:55.240
<v Speaker 1>but just wonsibly a few words, but at least you

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<v Speaker 1>were you were saying something.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I you know, I uh, well, after I asked

1:04:59.360 --> 1:05:02.240
<v Speaker 2>you that weird question, I was, well, I was, I

1:05:02.360 --> 1:05:05.880
<v Speaker 2>was I was thinking about my own answer to it,

1:05:06.040 --> 1:05:08.800
<v Speaker 2>and you you, your answer was really poignant the way

1:05:08.880 --> 1:05:12.880
<v Speaker 2>you were, like, you know, even though the knowledge, the

1:05:13.320 --> 1:05:18.800
<v Speaker 2>knowledge is freaky and and unsettling to you and break

1:05:18.880 --> 1:05:21.560
<v Speaker 2>and really breaks your world down and can lead you

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<v Speaker 2>to like this place of like existential depression and and

1:05:25.160 --> 1:05:29.920
<v Speaker 2>all these things like it's I love the way you

1:05:30.040 --> 1:05:32.720
<v Speaker 2>phrase it, and I fully agree with it, which is

1:05:32.840 --> 1:05:37.120
<v Speaker 2>that that you you have to view you get through

1:05:37.200 --> 1:05:40.800
<v Speaker 2>the pain and then you uh kind of harness the

1:05:40.880 --> 1:05:45.439
<v Speaker 2>power of the knowledge two to like, you know, help

1:05:45.480 --> 1:05:47.960
<v Speaker 2>yourself and to help other people, like you're talking about

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<v Speaker 2>and I I and I think that's really beautiful. And

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<v Speaker 2>I also think, you know, you get like as you

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<v Speaker 2>get older and as you settle in with stuff like

1:06:03.040 --> 1:06:05.680
<v Speaker 2>you get you're like you just become more able to

1:06:05.800 --> 1:06:08.240
<v Speaker 2>handle it as a person. I think you just like

1:06:08.320 --> 1:06:15.280
<v Speaker 2>be become more able to handle like uncomfortable information and

1:06:15.800 --> 1:06:20.560
<v Speaker 2>shrewths and things you be. You you like grow like

1:06:20.680 --> 1:06:24.880
<v Speaker 2>your your capability of strength like grows to what you

1:06:25.080 --> 1:06:27.880
<v Speaker 2>need it to be, and then you can do things

1:06:27.960 --> 1:06:30.200
<v Speaker 2>like what you're talking about, like you know, be a

1:06:31.520 --> 1:06:40.720
<v Speaker 2>uh a powerful, you know, a voice of something. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's cool. So I agree with you. It's

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<v Speaker 2>better to it's better to have known and gone insane

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<v Speaker 2>than to have never known at all. I'm with you

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<v Speaker 2>on that. I I I want to let I want

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<v Speaker 2>to let you have your few seconds of that thing,

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<v Speaker 2>of the of of the last few things you wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to say before we get out of here.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, First of all, thank you so much. You didn't

1:07:03.000 --> 1:07:05.800
<v Speaker 1>have to talk to me for I don't know how

1:07:05.840 --> 1:07:10.439
<v Speaker 1>many minutives have been Thank you so much. I really

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate you. Otherwise as well. I just want to per

1:07:16.640 --> 1:07:18.400
<v Speaker 1>few seconds to the people who are listening to this

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<v Speaker 1>live or on the if it makes, if it makes

1:07:22.680 --> 1:07:28.600
<v Speaker 1>it to object or whatever. I know that there's a

1:07:28.640 --> 1:07:30.160
<v Speaker 1>lot of news out there, you know. I wish I

1:07:30.200 --> 1:07:32.560
<v Speaker 1>could talk about this more, but this is happening right now.

1:07:34.080 --> 1:07:38.000
<v Speaker 1>It's not holding as we speak. There's people getting arrested

1:07:38.080 --> 1:07:44.280
<v Speaker 1>and murders, and you know, IM portraying wrong. You don't

1:07:44.320 --> 1:07:46.200
<v Speaker 1>have to take my word for it. You can do

1:07:46.360 --> 1:07:48.439
<v Speaker 1>your own research, you can roll on, you can see

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<v Speaker 1>whatever's out there. If you can spread the word, I

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<v Speaker 1>would be personally grateful to you, even though we might

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<v Speaker 1>never meet. I really appreciate you, and I know that

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<v Speaker 1>you are going out of your way to help people

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<v Speaker 1>that you have never met and you might never meet.

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<v Speaker 1>But this, the last few minutes, has been my story,

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<v Speaker 1>and that has been the story of a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people in your on and if your own are suffering

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<v Speaker 1>a lot more, and you know, I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>the US is gonna intervene in your own or not.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't tell you for certain it's that's good or back.

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<v Speaker 1>At this point, as horrible as it might sound to

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<v Speaker 1>some people, I'm okay with it because I know the

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<v Speaker 1>government in Yourn will stop it nothing and it will

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<v Speaker 1>keep on killing people. So I don't know that the

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<v Speaker 1>people themselves might not be able to fuck that, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's the only reason. That's the only reason. But forget

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<v Speaker 1>about that. You know, you don't have to even think

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<v Speaker 1>about the intervention. Just you know, aspective work. There are

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<v Speaker 1>people suffering, and if you can't step the word, that

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<v Speaker 1>would be very very grateful to you. And thanks again,

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<v Speaker 1>While hey thank you, Armine.

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<v Speaker 2>You have a good night Man.

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<v Speaker 1>Good night to you too, Bless your brother.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that's a really good conversation. I thank thank you again,

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you again, Arman for taking time out of what

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure is a really fucking stressful period of time

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<v Speaker 2>for you to get on here and share your story

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<v Speaker 2>with us for an hour.

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<v Speaker 1>That was I I was.

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<v Speaker 2>I really enjoyed getting to talk to you and hear

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<v Speaker 2>your perspective on things. I was just thinking about how

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<v Speaker 2>five and a half years ago I was taking phone

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<v Speaker 2>calls about Diarryie Aing and the Lazy River and now

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<v Speaker 2>we're into geopolitics and gotten good for it, glad for it,

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<v Speaker 2>glad for it.

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<v Speaker 1>No, that was.

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<v Speaker 2>That was really powerful. I have you got it? I

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<v Speaker 2>need a second. I need a second after that.

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<v Speaker 1>Hmm.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. You know what I was thinking too, is like, dude,

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<v Speaker 2>who's I think? I was saying, It's like that that

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<v Speaker 2>guy Arman that we just talked to, who had like

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<v Speaker 2>this powerful story and this great character and this all

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<v Speaker 2>this stuff, like you know, he was working at Subway,

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<v Speaker 2>and uh, I was thinking, I'm like, dude, I think

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<v Speaker 2>about this now, like if I'm at subway or whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll just be like looking at the like whoever's behind

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<v Speaker 2>the count I'll be like, what's what's what would my

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<v Speaker 2>hour long conversation with this person be? You know, we're

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<v Speaker 2>we have this weird crossing where I buy a sandwich

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<v Speaker 2>from them? What what would an hour long conversation with

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<v Speaker 2>them be? Like? You know, you just know, you never know.

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<v Speaker 2>Do I have anything else to say?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>If I do, I think we'll call it there. Thank

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<v Speaker 2>you guys for listening to this. Uh yeah, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know. I've been getting I don't know, I've been

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<v Speaker 2>thinking about that. We don't we don't usually talk about

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<v Speaker 2>like uh intense geopolitical things or you know, domestic political things.

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<v Speaker 2>I think about them a lot. I like talking I

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<v Speaker 2>like talking about the with my friends and family. I

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<v Speaker 2>will I don't. I I think in the certain in

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<v Speaker 2>certain situations, I'm you know, I like talking about them

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<v Speaker 2>on the podcast. But uh yeah, I appreciate Arman for

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<v Speaker 2>uh sharing his story with us, and I'm sending blessings

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<v Speaker 2>to him and his family and Iran. Maybe I'll go

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<v Speaker 2>there one day. I was I made that video in

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<v Speaker 2>Iraq and uh, the whole you know, the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I think and and by the way, this is not

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<v Speaker 2>me throwing shade to anyone because I'm I'm like this.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like this before I actually went there. But

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<v Speaker 2>I was like Americans, I think just have a thing

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<v Speaker 2>where like all they just view all countries in the

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<v Speaker 2>Middle East as the same. Like I there was a guy,

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<v Speaker 2>so I passed by a guy at this office that

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<v Speaker 2>I make my videos out of, and he was like, yo, lil,

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<v Speaker 2>I liked your Afghanistan video, and it was like, at

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<v Speaker 2>my gut, my gut instinct was like, it's Iraq, not Afghanistan.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I was like, you know, a year ago,

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<v Speaker 2>I would also, I think not have enough information where

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<v Speaker 2>I knew the difference, you know, because you start out

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<v Speaker 2>six years old, you don't know what a country is.

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<v Speaker 2>Then you find out what your own country is, then

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<v Speaker 2>you find out what Minnesota is, and then at a

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<v Speaker 2>certain point you have to manually move the needle on

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<v Speaker 2>your own ignorance. Ah. But yeah, yeah, I'd like to

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<v Speaker 2>go to your on someday. I think that that would

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<v Speaker 2>be it'd be interesting. I mean, I every every every

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<v Speaker 2>time I go to a place, I'm always feeling like

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<v Speaker 2>I'm meeting lots of lovely people and learning more about

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<v Speaker 2>the things that we have in common. Very it's nice, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I think I said. I think I'm ready to stop talking.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you guys for listening to the Therapy Gicle podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me know in the comments what you think about

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<v Speaker 2>this one. I'm curious to hear people's thoughts on this conversation.

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<v Speaker 2>Get bless see you again soon goes on the line.

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<v Speaker 1>Taking your phone calls every night ever, goes to and

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<v Speaker 1>was teaching you a loud.

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<v Speaker 3>In the memorial, an expert