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Speaker 1: Our friend armand Hello, Hi?

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Speaker 2: Who is this?

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Speaker 1: Hi? Hi?

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Speaker 3: This is armand Armand what's up?

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Speaker 2: Armand?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I'm good? How are you?

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Speaker 3: Uh?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, not too bad?

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Speaker 3: Man?

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Speaker 2: What what is it that brings you into my Gecko

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Speaker 2: show today?

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Speaker 1: Uh? So I did say I'm good, but I'm mentioning

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Speaker 1: that feel too good? Uh, I don't know. I tink

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Speaker 1: to you a couple of times. I a'my lng.

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Speaker 2: In and your Iranian?

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Speaker 1: Yes, m And I don't know if you have seen

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Speaker 1: anything in the news, but for the past uh, for

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Speaker 1: the past week, there's been an internet shutdown in Milan,

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Speaker 1: so we shuldn't really hear anything from me. Ran. Well,

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Speaker 1: there's there's a few things here and there. People are

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Speaker 1: it's been very difficult, and I've been doing a little

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Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, definitely. So Okay, So you're you're Iranian? And

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Speaker 2: where do you live right now? Because you're not You're

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Speaker 1: I'm not there, you know, I'm im in. I'm living

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Speaker 1: I'm living in Toronto. But I had the time living

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Speaker 1: I did. Yeah, I lived there until I was twenty four,

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Speaker 1: everyone had their biases. But I want to try and

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Speaker 1: give you one non partisan of whatever you would call it.

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Speaker 2: You sure, sure, but I just I want to just

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Speaker 2: So Okay, So three years ago you moved from Iran

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Speaker 1: Not two years ago? About six seven years ago? Uh? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Okay? Cool? And what made you want to move from

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Speaker 1: Uh well, A big part of it was the economic

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Speaker 2: You were in were you in Tehrant?

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Speaker 2: And did you move to Toronto? Did you move to

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Speaker 1: No? No, I moved to Montreal and I was in

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Speaker 1: I would be okay staring more information, but just so

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Speaker 2: Of you on I I listen, I I I definitely

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Speaker 2: And how how has it been? How has the experience

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Speaker 1: Well, and it's very different. I don't know where to start, okay,

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Speaker 1: But but just how life was in Neuron was that

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Speaker 1: Uh? Be perfectly honest, I had my family support and

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Speaker 2: And he said that, I'm sorry. I know I asked

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Speaker 2: And so when you first got to Toronto, what what

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Speaker 1: So? While I was in Montreal, I couldn't work because

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Speaker 1: So I don't know if you heard. But what I

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Speaker 2: I've I've been reading the news a little bit and

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Speaker 2: these gaps. So basically, my understanding is that these widespread

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Speaker 2: So it's the so you believe it's the current regimes

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Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know. Yeah, I'm gonna be honest.

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Speaker 2: I yeah, Well, actually it's funny you call because I'm like,

439
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 2: I'm very lately becoming on a personal level more interested

440
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 2: in geo politics after like, you know, fucking traveling and uh,

441
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 2: traveling to Iraq. I'm gonna, I'm gonna. I don't know,

442
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 2: I haven't I haven't talked about this on the podcast,

443
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 2: but I'm going to Ukraine in four days to make

444
00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 2: a video there, so I don't And I've also just

445
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 2: been thinking about fucking America, been thinking about I talked

446
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 2: to Gemini about Israel and Palestine for like six hours

447
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 2: the other day, so I've just been I've been thinking

448
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 2: about a lot of this ship. What's it going to say? Oh, yes, oh,

449
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 2: I was gonna bring this up. There's this there's this TikTok,

450
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 2: this video that I don't know if it's the same

451
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 2: video if it's a bunch of different videos, but it's

452
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 2: going around and it's of these like younger teens in uh,

453
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 2: I think in Tehran who are like putting on like

454
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 2: a I if I think I'm correct that they're putting

455
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 2: on like a punk concert and like nobody's wearing a

456
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 2: hit job, and it's very like, uh, you know, like

457
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 2: this this like punk rock kind of informal thing happening

458
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 2: on the streets. If you've seen the video and that's

459
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 2: not what this is. It's something like that. I don't

460
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 2: know the exact thing, but okay, you've seen it, Okay,

461
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:11,879
Speaker 2: And then a bunch of people are like, bro, does

462
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 2: secular mean religious or non religious? So if you say

463
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:18,760
Speaker 2: something as non secular, that means it's not religious, right.

464
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:25,360
Speaker 1: So sexually, my understanding of it is, and if I'm wrong,

465
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 1: I don't want to chats right now or way.

466
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 3: I can google this, okay, hold on.

467
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, my understanding of it is it's a state where

468
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 1: religion and politics are separate.

469
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, So ira so okay, basically okay, So

470
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 2: that would mean people in the comments are saying that

471
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 2: Iran is slowly becoming more secular. Do you think that's

472
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,359
Speaker 2: do you think that's true? And do you think do

473
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 2: you think that like we're looking at like the future

474
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 2: of the country, do you think that like it will

475
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 2: it will become like slowly over generations more secular, or

476
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 2: do you think that like, uh, like regimes and people

477
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 2: in power are going to like shut that down.

478
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 1: So just to speak to the people in the chat,

479
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm not sure I'm being a little technologically

480
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 1: illiterate because I can't see your chat right now, but uh,

481
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 1: for the people in your chat to be perfectly almost

482
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 1: with you, and uh, I mean, I don't I don't

483
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:40,399
Speaker 1: want this to get misconstrued. But since twenty twenty two

484
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 1: when the Mason MiQ photests happened, because a big, a

485
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:52,240
Speaker 1: large focus of those photos was the mandatory h job laws.

486
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 1: So they wanted they wanted to make it so that

487
00:35:54,800 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 1: people could wear whatever they want, uh m hm, for

488
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,799
Speaker 1: women not specifically not to have to wear a job.

489
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 1: So that was what happened in twenty twenty two and

490
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 1: to government twenty three. There are other civil rights issues

491
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,320
Speaker 1: that the people were fighting for, but that was a

492
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 1: large focus then and since then, since then, the government

493
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:23,479
Speaker 1: has been has been trying to let go of those

494
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:27,360
Speaker 1: laws a little bit. It has been, it has become

495
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 1: it has become a little more lax on those laws.

496
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 1: And the reason for that is the government, in my opinion,

497
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,840
Speaker 1: and this is this, that is my opinion, the government

498
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 1: is trying to buy itself more time by appealing to

499
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 1: the general population of your on and people.

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00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 2: You think it's a four dy chess move of like

501
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 2: we'll give a few, well, well it will sprinkle a

502
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:01,320
Speaker 2: little bit of secularism here, buyer sells more time to

503
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 2: like to take it all away. Is that what you're saying.

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00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:12,280
Speaker 1: Pretty much? Yes, But what I also what I'm also

505
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 1: saying is that so so for the people in Iran,

506
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 1: if not that they've been given the specific rights, maybe

507
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:28,919
Speaker 1: some people feel like they've they've made some headway and

508
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 1: it's a bargain of sorts and the government is trying

509
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 1: to sort of pay them off by giving them these

510
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:46,360
Speaker 1: specific freedom. But first of all, the laws are still

511
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 1: that a job is mandatory in Iran, it's just not

512
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 1: being forced as much as before. So that's one thing.

513
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:58,359
Speaker 1: And also when you have people without his job going

514
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:02,359
Speaker 1: around in Iran. You can take videos of that and

515
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:09,359
Speaker 1: send it, send it too far, impressed and tell them

516
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 1: all you're on is free. You're on is like Lebanon run,

517
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 1: like the U A E. It's like Dubai. People are having,

518
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:22,240
Speaker 1: you know, the time of their lives. That is certainly

519
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 1: not the case. And uh for a lot of people,

520
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 1: you know, people are still getting you know, arrest. That's

521
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 1: for not having his job. It's just not happening as

522
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 1: much as before.

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00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm mm hmm h what's your name again?

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00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 1: Uh?

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00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:59,839
Speaker 2: My name is Armah Ahmed armand ar armand armand Arma,

526
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 2: armand armand and yes, how you how you feel in armand.

527
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 1: Frankly, I'm I'm very hired. I uh, you know, I

528
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 1: haven't had a call any week from many one inside

529
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 1: you on so uh at this point because some other people,

530
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 1: I don't know if everybody has had called some of

531
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 1: the people have talked to you and whatever day I've

532
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 1: had calls from you on. So now that I haven't

533
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 1: been in contacted by anybody on wondering if somebody has

534
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 1: died and they are not calling me because if they do,

535
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 1: they would have to go ah, and that is very

536
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 1: difficult and uh, well a lot of scary stuff is

537
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 1: also happened there, so mm hmmm, it just uh yeah,

538
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 1: I've just been very tired that I've been eating the

539
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 1: needs and I've been trying to you know, be active

540
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 1: on social media. That there's nothing else I can do,

541
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 1: and uh, I just wanted to get on here and

542
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 1: talk to people because maybe you haven't had maybe you

543
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 1: haven't seen a lot of publical views online, but you

544
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:33,319
Speaker 1: might see it in the future. And I just warned

545
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:38,840
Speaker 1: people to know that there are lives that's taking here on.

546
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:45,360
Speaker 1: There are people who are suffering, and I feel like

547
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 1: this is the least I can do two to just

548
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 1: tell people what's going on and whatever, what are political

549
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 1: stuff is going on out there. The people are still

550
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 1: you know, they're suffering, they're dying, they're getting arrested, they're

551
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 1: having their basic human rights pummeled, and I I just

552
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 1: wish I could do more. Uh h yeah, I am,

553
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 1: I don't know. I did you want to ask something else?

554
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: I really want to talk as much as possible because

555
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 1: I think I feel like I have a I have

556
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 1: a duty, you know. I uh, I'm not sure if

557
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 1: I'm sure you guys have heard of like survivor's guilt

558
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 1: I feel a little bit of survivors guilt, and I

559
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:03,840
Speaker 1: have been feeling that for since I moved to Canada,

560
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 1: because uh, I have been in contact with people on

561
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 1: your own and a lot of them are doing it very,

562
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 1: very poorly. And uh uh that could be me. You know,

563
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 1: I could tell myself that could be and it could

564
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 1: be me who's unemployed. It could be me who's who

565
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:31,840
Speaker 1: can't afford anything. It could be me who who dreams

566
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 1: about having a car or even phone. It could be

567
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 1: me there and now, it could be me fighting for

568
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 1: my life, fighting for food, and uh, things like these

569
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 1: don't know any public and you know, when people are hungry,

570
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 1: that's that's the end of the line. And I think

571
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 1: it's very important from you to the goals of my people.

572
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 1: And I just wish I was more elocal, and I

573
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 1: wish I was more politically savvy. I wish I knew more.

574
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 1: I wish I studied more so that I could say more, well,

575
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 1: I know, well.

576
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 2: I'm in you, but you well, it's you know, it's

577
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 2: funny to me because that you say It's funny to

578
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 2: me that you say that because and this is kind

579
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 2: of this is my uh you know, I like kind

580
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 2: of approaching these conversations through the lens of like who

581
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 2: are you right? Because I was like asking you more

582
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 2: questions about yourself earlier and you were like, well, I

583
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 2: would I want to you know, more talk about h

584
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:52,320
Speaker 2: you know, kind of uh broader political issues.

585
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 3: But to me, I I think.

586
00:43:55,200 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 2: You know, your your knowledge of a specific thing is

587
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 2: is less is I will say to me, what's more

588
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 2: powerful is just you as a person and your feelings

589
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 2: and your your lived experience and and so I think

590
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 2: you're sending a really strong message to people just simply

591
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 2: through your lived experience, you know, regardless of political savviness,

592
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:31,399
Speaker 2: your your you know, you you lived there for twenty

593
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 2: four years and you saw things that you can talk about,

594
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 2: not you know, filtered through uh a journalist or a

595
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:45,360
Speaker 2: social media post or a text message. So you know,

596
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 2: to me, your just sharing of your lived experience is

597
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:55,360
Speaker 2: I think a lot more powerful than you having some

598
00:44:55,520 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 2: kind of uh savviness over the complex information in regarding

599
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 2: any kind of geo geopolitical issue and uh, you know,

600
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 2: before we go, I I I appreciate you sharing all

601
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 2: of this stuff with us. And I'm I'm I'm, I'm like,

602
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 2: I'm seriously praying for you and for your family, and

603
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 2: you know it's also thanks for coming, Thanks for coming

604
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 2: to my dumb show to talk to talk about all

605
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 2: of this stuff. I really, you know, I appreciate it.

606
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 1: Can I just say, okay, I know your time is

607
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:35,839
Speaker 1: on school valuable and I don't want to go ahead

608
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 1: get into too much. But by the way, if you're

609
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 1: interested in how I was living there on and I

610
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 1: could talk about that, but I don't want to. I

611
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 1: don't want to drag this on forever. I can talk

612
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 1: about my childhood, and there's a lot of When I

613
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 1: talk about my childhood, people listen then are fascinated, whether

614
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 1: in a good way or bad way. Definitely in a

615
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 1: bad way. But I can talk about my childhood if

616
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 1: you're interested. But just getting on the show, I want

617
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:08,919
Speaker 1: to make this clear. I know a lot of people

618
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 1: from all different sorts of political ideas. They listen to

619
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 1: your show, you know, really left, right, whatever, listen to

620
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 1: your show, and you talk to something very personal and human.

621
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 1: And I was sure that if I get on your show,

622
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 1: you would ask questions that were the right questions. And

623
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 1: I feel like you have to show and again, I

624
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 1: don't know I'm not gonna, you know, have a show

625
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 1: call on your podcast or whatever, but if you did

626
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:53,800
Speaker 1: want to hear more about my childhood, I'm willing to

627
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 1: talk about it. I think it would be important let

628
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:03,320
Speaker 1: people know about it too. I don't know, it's not

629
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 1: it's okay.

630
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 3: Any stick mm hmm, yeah, do you want to.

631
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 1: Yes? So yeah, And I don't want to use two

632
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:29,839
Speaker 1: strong language, but okay. I remember when I was when

633
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 1: I started going to school. Uh. And this is true

634
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:41,800
Speaker 1: of schools all true Iran. First of all, it's a boys'

635
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 1: school and girls' schools. There's no co education unless it's

636
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 1: in a very small village somewhere. And it just doesn't

637
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 1: make sense to have two classrooms because you know, there's

638
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 1: there's just one teacher and he's trying to teach like

639
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 1: multiple multiple levels. But generally, like in Tehran, all the

640
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 1: schools are segregated by I don't know if that's the

641
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 1: right work, but they're split by gender and uh, and

642
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:21,360
Speaker 1: that's all the way to secondary school like high school.

643
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 1: And UH. When I started going to school, we used

644
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 1: to uh in in the school yard and we would

645
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 1: it would ask us to form lines like military lines,

646
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:40,240
Speaker 1: and I don't know if there's normal. Maybe it's normal

647
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 1: in some places. I don't know if it ever happens

648
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 1: in the US, but uh, we would basically form lines

649
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 1: and uh uh whatever you call it. The dean, the

650
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:54,840
Speaker 1: the head teacher that.

651
00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 3: Sorry, the principal or dean probably I suppose yeah.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, I'm again, this is my second language. The principle

653
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Speaker 1: would get up, uh on I put him and he

654
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 1: would start chanting things and uh chanting religious stuff. And

655
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 1: depending on all the time of the year, it is,

656
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Speaker 1: uh there was a specific religious Uh. I wouldn't call

657
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:29,399
Speaker 1: it holidays, but there it would be like the death

658
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:32,800
Speaker 1: of my mom or somebody, and they would change things

659
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:36,800
Speaker 1: for that, and they would read a bit of kron

660
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 1: and then they chant things like death to as well

661
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Speaker 1: as to America. They would change stuff like this. This

662
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:51,920
Speaker 1: is the exact thing. Yes to six year olds. Six

663
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:57,279
Speaker 1: year olds all around your on and we would we

664
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Speaker 1: wouldn't know what it means. But I don't go where

665
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Speaker 1: the US. Wise, you know, when you were talking to

666
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Speaker 1: a six year old, the six year old doesn't know

667
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 1: where you know, it's you talk to a six year

668
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 1: old in the US, they might not know where. I

669
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 1: don't know, for example, where Minnesota is. No, they wouldn't

670
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:25,400
Speaker 1: even have a clear idea. They might not even have

671
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:28,279
Speaker 1: a clear idea of what a country is and whether

672
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 1: the US is and Minnesota. I remember when I was

673
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 1: a kid, I think at some point I thought that

674
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 1: Iran was a place in Tehran because I was a kid,

675
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 1: like I didn't know anything anything right, right, So but

676
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 1: at that age, it would make you chant and like

677
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:53,320
Speaker 1: to this this entity and that entity. And you know,

678
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:58,399
Speaker 1: it's just very when people talk about industry nation, that's

679
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 1: that's really what it is. And I just want to

680
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 1: make it clear that doesn't mean that everybody in London

681
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 1: is in doctrine naked or a games all Western entities

682
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 1: or whatever, especially now because you know, now is the

683
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 1: age of internet. But when I was the kid, we

684
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 1: didn't have internet. The internet was just coming around. You know,

685
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 1: we're about the same age, so you know, I remember

686
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:31,279
Speaker 1: I remember Google coming around, like I remember Marcus of

687
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 1: ninety eight, and back then people didn't know, but they

688
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 1: didn't have all that information that they have now. They

689
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 1: didn't have access to social media. But now people know,

690
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 1: and still they chanced these things at that level. And

691
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:55,280
Speaker 1: when I was a kid, you know, you have music

692
00:51:55,520 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 1: classes at school? You have I don't know. Yeah, let's

693
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 1: start with music classes. We don't. We didn't have any

694
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 1: sort of art classes. I remember one year in middle

695
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 1: school we have we had a sort of painting class,

696
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 1: drawing sort of class, and that was the only only

697
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 1: year I had that. And we had shopped for one

698
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:25,800
Speaker 1: year as inn you know, uh workshop where you do

699
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:30,360
Speaker 1: woodworking or whatever, and that was it that those were

700
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 1: my two classes. Instead, we had things like religious studies,

701
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 1: and we had Arabic. I mean, it's it's a language.

702
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 1: There's nothing wrong with Aratic. I'm you know, if you're

703
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 1: interested in studying it, more power to you. It has

704
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 1: if a beautiful language is a history whatever. But we

705
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 1: would study Arabic specifically to study the Quran, and we

706
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:07,320
Speaker 1: would have so we would have Arabic, we would have

707
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:11,280
Speaker 1: a separate class for Quran. We would have a separate

708
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 1: class for religious studies. And then when I got to

709
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 1: high school, we had a class called defense, defense preparation

710
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 1: something like that. It's I'm trying to translate here, and

711
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:32,840
Speaker 1: that might not be the exact thing. But this this book,

712
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 1: the textbook is basically all about gardens, all about you know,

713
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:47,759
Speaker 1: how to be prepared for a foreign attack, and this

714
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 1: is this was a textbook at school, at high school level.

715
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 1: And obviously, like when I was growing up, even this

716
00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 1: was in twenty ten, let's say we didn't really buy it.

717
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 1: Like everyone in my class knew that this was nonsense,

718
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:12,880
Speaker 1: Like this was really.

719
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:13,719
Speaker 2: Even when you are even when you were like, uh,

720
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 2: you know, a high school, middle school, you were like,

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00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:20,920
Speaker 2: this is a this is a lot, this is not

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Speaker 2: the thing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, listen, I'm not saying that there was

724
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 1: nobody I was. I was Again, I was kind of privileged.

725
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:42,120
Speaker 1: I wasn't rich. My family was middle rich, but we

726
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:44,840
Speaker 1: were middle class, upper middle class even at some points

727
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 1: maybe so the people I hung out with were they had, uh,

728
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Speaker 1: they had time in their day to sit down and think,

729
00:54:56,600 --> 00:55:04,400
Speaker 1: and they had families who you know, they they've arn't wealthy.

730
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Speaker 1: Thankfully I wouldn't. I wouldn't under a lot of super

731
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:12,480
Speaker 1: wealthy to our people because some of those people are

732
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 1: actually pro regime because they get paid by real regime. Again,

733
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 1: I don't want to get too cool to go with

734
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:19,279
Speaker 1: this right now.

735
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 2: Is there a weird thing where like, is there a

736
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:28,319
Speaker 2: weird thing where like if you're like like if you're

737
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:31,320
Speaker 2: very poor and you have access to you you know,

738
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:34,880
Speaker 2: really don't have that much access to like greater education

739
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 2: or greater information or even like time to think like

740
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 2: you support the regime because of propaganda, and then if

741
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:44,239
Speaker 2: you're really really rich, you support the regime because the

742
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 2: regime acts in your favor.

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Speaker 1: That that is basically that is very perceptual of you.

744
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:58,120
Speaker 1: I was I was trying to uh put that into words,

745
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 1: but that is more less it access. There are a

746
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 1: lot of pool people. There are a lot of pool

747
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:08,160
Speaker 1: people in your own who are against the regime. But

748
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 1: just to be clear, there are some people who are

749
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 1: so starved for information or they're so heavily inductrin that

750
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 1: they don't really know they have an option to oppose

751
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:24,400
Speaker 1: the regime or complain about things.

752
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:25,840
Speaker 3: Even Yeah, it doesn't.

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00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 2: Even like consciously register. Like they're so deep in like

754
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 2: the indoctrination of it, like the idea that they could

755
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:35,600
Speaker 2: not it's like not even in the consciousness.

756
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:41,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, like they don't even even with the Internet. I

757
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 1: don't know how this is possible. But they're still a

758
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 1: minority group out there who don't really understand that there

759
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:52,520
Speaker 1: is so much out there. I guess they don't install

760
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:57,040
Speaker 1: on Instagram on their phones or whatever, or they don't

761
00:56:57,160 --> 00:57:01,880
Speaker 1: use vpms because you don't know. I'm skipping ahead. But

762
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:05,359
Speaker 1: basically they don't have an idea of how people live

763
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:08,880
Speaker 1: outside of Iran, or they think that that sort of

764
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:13,240
Speaker 1: stuff is a complete fantasy, because if they saw normal

765
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 1: life in Europe, in even in Turkey, if they if

766
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 1: they could see what normal life is like in even

767
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 1: Lebanon in Turkey, they would start complaining very heavily. But

768
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:32,320
Speaker 1: they don't. And again maybe they're just not connected. And

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00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 1: I said the word vidend you guys know what a

770
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:40,200
Speaker 1: viv ands. I'm sure it's a but in Iran it

771
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 1: has a different meaning because the state sensors Internet very heavily,

772
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 1: so you don't have access to in Iran. When I

773
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 1: was living there, I didn't have access to YouTube, I

774
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:58,200
Speaker 1: didn't have access to Facebook, and I had access to Instagram,

775
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:01,960
Speaker 1: which was very weird for a while. And I think

776
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 1: now you don't have access to Instagram either, So you

777
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:09,920
Speaker 1: have to use a private network of some kind of

778
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 1: VPN to connect to the censored Internet inside of you.

779
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:21,000
Speaker 1: On uh, and that's not the whole list, by the way.

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00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:25,000
Speaker 1: A lot of a lot of publications, a lot of

781
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 1: different websites are censored inside Iran, so when you try

782
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:31,720
Speaker 1: to connect to them, you get a web page that

783
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 1: basically tells you it has it has a bunch of

784
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:43,160
Speaker 1: blanks to other websites that are pro regeme or or whatever. Sorry,

785
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:45,840
Speaker 1: I'm I'm going on a bit. I don't know if

786
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 1: you have any questions so far.

787
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 2: No, it's been really interesting to hear about about all

788
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 2: of this. Yeah, like oh man, I I uh, well,

789
00:58:57,800 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 2: it's you know, we had a guy on the podcast

790
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:04,920
Speaker 2: a few episodes ago who was talking about like, you know,

791
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:10,280
Speaker 2: he was raised like ultra orthodox Jewish and they had

792
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:12,600
Speaker 2: a similar he had a similar kind of a thing.

793
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:14,880
Speaker 2: And it's it's weird. It feels like it's like the

794
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:18,160
Speaker 2: same story in a bunch of different places, Like I'm

795
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:22,040
Speaker 2: thinking about like North Korea too, about like people who

796
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:29,160
Speaker 2: just they just don't know about the the the like

797
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:33,520
Speaker 2: Greater Beyond, I guess because the government's done a really

798
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:39,960
Speaker 2: good job at censoring and you know all that stuff. Uh,

799
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:44,880
Speaker 2: And yeah, it's it is interesting to be like, man,

800
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:48,280
Speaker 2: you know, same same story across a bunch of same

801
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:53,600
Speaker 2: story across a bunch of different applications. You know, I'm

802
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:57,760
Speaker 2: really and I'm a crap. I think we I crap.

803
00:59:57,760 --> 00:59:59,960
Speaker 2: I think I do have to go uh kind of suit.

804
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:04,720
Speaker 2: But I know, you know, you don't apolgize, just Christ,

805
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:06,240
Speaker 2: you don't have to pologest for anything. This is I've

806
01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:15,520
Speaker 2: been I've sincerely, really really enjoyed talking to you. It's yeah, dude,

807
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:21,600
Speaker 2: it's it's interesting. I mean, do you feel I know

808
01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:24,440
Speaker 2: you've expressed a lot of your kind of conflicting feelings

809
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:28,120
Speaker 2: about being able to leave Iran and and go to

810
01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:36,800
Speaker 2: the West, But are you, like I have a weird question.

811
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:40,560
Speaker 2: There's a weird question, and this just has to do

812
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:45,080
Speaker 2: with like having an existential crisis. But like, you're an

813
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:49,400
Speaker 2: educated guy. I think I think it's it's almost it's pretty.

814
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:52,400
Speaker 2: It's I think it's objectively probably better to be educated

815
01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:55,760
Speaker 2: than not. But like, you're an educated guy, right, But

816
01:00:55,920 --> 01:01:00,360
Speaker 2: do you ever do you ever do you think rance

817
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:03,360
Speaker 2: would ever would be nice? You know what I mean?

818
01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:06,000
Speaker 2: What does that ever stay? Like? Just do you feel

819
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:10,640
Speaker 2: do you feel burdened by your own clarity of the

820
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:12,800
Speaker 2: greater universe that lies beyond?

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01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:22,720
Speaker 1: It's an interesting question. I'm gonna I'm gonna respond by

822
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:29,160
Speaker 1: a scenario. Was something that actually happened to me when

823
01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:33,240
Speaker 1: I was when I was just starting university in my

824
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:40,240
Speaker 1: basslords in Iran, I read nineteen eighty four. Yeah, I

825
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:44,120
Speaker 1: read ninety eighty four, and I felt for a lot

826
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:49,680
Speaker 1: of week after I read it, I felt extreme anxiety

827
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:56,360
Speaker 1: and I just felt awful because I felt like I

828
01:01:56,520 --> 01:02:03,120
Speaker 1: was living inside nineteen eighty four, Like there are people

829
01:02:03,160 --> 01:02:06,000
Speaker 1: in your own who would tell on their neighbors, like

830
01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:11,080
Speaker 1: you can you can get ahead by selling out people

831
01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:17,520
Speaker 1: who you know to the government. That is exactly something

832
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:20,720
Speaker 1: that happens in nineteen eighty four, among other things that

833
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:30,640
Speaker 1: I felt resonated. And I just want to say that

834
01:02:31,640 --> 01:02:36,120
Speaker 1: I feel like if I wasn't an educated guy, I

835
01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:41,000
Speaker 1: shouldn't read that book. It's not just about literacy. I

836
01:02:41,120 --> 01:02:42,520
Speaker 1: think you have to go a little bit out of

837
01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:47,080
Speaker 1: your way to read something like that, right, And it's

838
01:02:47,160 --> 01:02:49,320
Speaker 1: a choice, like you have to sit down and you

839
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:53,400
Speaker 1: have to finish the book, even though it's genuinely like

840
01:02:54,920 --> 01:03:02,480
Speaker 1: eating you up. And and I just want to say

841
01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:07,800
Speaker 1: that I'm the I think I'm a better person for it. Yes, yes, yes,

842
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:13,280
Speaker 1: any person, anyone might have a different depend members. But uh,

843
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:16,600
Speaker 1: the fact that I'm calling you right now, I'm trying

844
01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:21,320
Speaker 1: to stand up and be the voice of the running people. Uh.

845
01:03:23,040 --> 01:03:25,480
Speaker 1: I shouldn't say it like that because I'm I'm the

846
01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:30,960
Speaker 1: voice of me. I just I'm trying to say sorry.

847
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:33,959
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, go ahead what you're saying.

848
01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:37,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not. I'm not anybody who attorney you know,

849
01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:39,800
Speaker 1: but I know a lot of people have had the

850
01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:42,919
Speaker 1: same experience, and a lot of those people are still

851
01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:45,640
Speaker 1: living in it, so it's been an even voice for them.

852
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:52,120
Speaker 1: If I if I didn't have the education that I've had,

853
01:03:53,000 --> 01:04:00,440
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have a chance and a privilege to uh

854
01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:06,600
Speaker 1: stand up with people. And I wouldn't have the chance

855
01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:15,920
Speaker 1: to uh anymore because you know, the knowledge, even if

856
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:22,600
Speaker 1: it brings pain with it. Uh, it's just still a privilege. Yes, yeah,

857
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:25,120
Speaker 1: if you don't have the knowledge, you can't you can't

858
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:29,000
Speaker 1: do anything. And uh.

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01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:33,320
Speaker 2: Well oh sorry, sorry, sorry, I'll let you finish.

860
01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:40,520
Speaker 1: And other people who will suffer for it. M M. Yeah,

861
01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:45,040
Speaker 1: that's that's all I wanted to say on that. If

862
01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:46,800
Speaker 1: you really have to go, just give me a few

863
01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:52,920
Speaker 1: seconds and uh them makes fun. It's not a statement,

864
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:55,240
Speaker 1: but just wonsibly a few words, but at least you

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Speaker 1: were you were saying something.

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Speaker 2: Well, I you know, I uh, well, after I asked

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Speaker 2: you that weird question, I was, well, I was, I

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01:05:02,360 --> 01:05:05,880
Speaker 2: was I was thinking about my own answer to it,

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Speaker 2: and you you, your answer was really poignant the way

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Speaker 2: you were, like, you know, even though the knowledge, the

871
01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:18,800
Speaker 2: knowledge is freaky and and unsettling to you and break

872
01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:21,560
Speaker 2: and really breaks your world down and can lead you

873
01:05:21,720 --> 01:05:24,960
Speaker 2: to like this place of like existential depression and and

874
01:05:25,160 --> 01:05:29,920
Speaker 2: all these things like it's I love the way you

875
01:05:30,040 --> 01:05:32,720
Speaker 2: phrase it, and I fully agree with it, which is

876
01:05:32,840 --> 01:05:37,120
Speaker 2: that that you you have to view you get through

877
01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:40,800
Speaker 2: the pain and then you uh kind of harness the

878
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:45,439
Speaker 2: power of the knowledge two to like, you know, help

879
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:47,960
Speaker 2: yourself and to help other people, like you're talking about

880
01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:52,120
Speaker 2: and I I and I think that's really beautiful. And

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01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:57,840
Speaker 2: I also think, you know, you get like as you

882
01:05:57,920 --> 01:06:02,960
Speaker 2: get older and as you settle in with stuff like

883
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Speaker 2: you get you're like you just become more able to

884
01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:08,240
Speaker 2: handle it as a person. I think you just like

885
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:15,280
Speaker 2: be become more able to handle like uncomfortable information and

886
01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:20,560
Speaker 2: shrewths and things you be. You you like grow like

887
01:06:20,680 --> 01:06:24,880
Speaker 2: your your capability of strength like grows to what you

888
01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:27,880
Speaker 2: need it to be, and then you can do things

889
01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:30,200
Speaker 2: like what you're talking about, like you know, be a

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01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:40,720
Speaker 2: uh a powerful, you know, a voice of something. And

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01:06:41,720 --> 01:06:43,400
Speaker 2: I think that's cool. So I agree with you. It's

892
01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:46,400
Speaker 2: better to it's better to have known and gone insane

893
01:06:46,520 --> 01:06:49,000
Speaker 2: than to have never known at all. I'm with you

894
01:06:49,120 --> 01:06:52,520
Speaker 2: on that. I I I want to let I want

895
01:06:52,520 --> 01:06:54,600
Speaker 2: to let you have your few seconds of that thing,

896
01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:56,840
Speaker 2: of the of of the last few things you wanted

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01:06:56,880 --> 01:06:58,520
Speaker 2: to say before we get out of here.

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Speaker 1: Okay, First of all, thank you so much. You didn't

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01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:05,800
Speaker 1: have to talk to me for I don't know how

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01:07:05,840 --> 01:07:10,439
Speaker 1: many minutives have been Thank you so much. I really

901
01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:16,560
Speaker 1: appreciate you. Otherwise as well. I just want to per

902
01:07:16,640 --> 01:07:18,400
Speaker 1: few seconds to the people who are listening to this

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01:07:19,160 --> 01:07:22,640
Speaker 1: live or on the if it makes, if it makes

904
01:07:22,680 --> 01:07:28,600
Speaker 1: it to object or whatever. I know that there's a

905
01:07:28,640 --> 01:07:30,160
Speaker 1: lot of news out there, you know. I wish I

906
01:07:30,200 --> 01:07:32,560
Speaker 1: could talk about this more, but this is happening right now.

907
01:07:34,080 --> 01:07:38,000
Speaker 1: It's not holding as we speak. There's people getting arrested

908
01:07:38,080 --> 01:07:44,280
Speaker 1: and murders, and you know, IM portraying wrong. You don't

909
01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:46,200
Speaker 1: have to take my word for it. You can do

910
01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:48,439
Speaker 1: your own research, you can roll on, you can see

911
01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:52,400
Speaker 1: whatever's out there. If you can spread the word, I

912
01:07:52,640 --> 01:07:57,680
Speaker 1: would be personally grateful to you, even though we might

913
01:07:57,760 --> 01:08:04,560
Speaker 1: never meet. I really appreciate you, and I know that

914
01:08:04,840 --> 01:08:07,800
Speaker 1: you are going out of your way to help people

915
01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:11,800
Speaker 1: that you have never met and you might never meet.

916
01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:18,000
Speaker 1: But this, the last few minutes, has been my story,

917
01:08:18,160 --> 01:08:19,640
Speaker 1: and that has been the story of a lot of

918
01:08:19,680 --> 01:08:23,839
Speaker 1: people in your on and if your own are suffering

919
01:08:23,880 --> 01:08:28,360
Speaker 1: a lot more, and you know, I don't know if

920
01:08:29,200 --> 01:08:31,600
Speaker 1: the US is gonna intervene in your own or not.

921
01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:35,479
Speaker 1: I can't tell you for certain it's that's good or back.

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01:08:36,120 --> 01:08:40,360
Speaker 1: At this point, as horrible as it might sound to

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01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:46,040
Speaker 1: some people, I'm okay with it because I know the

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01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:51,080
Speaker 1: government in Yourn will stop it nothing and it will

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01:08:51,160 --> 01:08:55,280
Speaker 1: keep on killing people. So I don't know that the

926
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Speaker 1: people themselves might not be able to fuck that, and

927
01:09:01,800 --> 01:09:07,120
Speaker 1: that's the only reason. That's the only reason. But forget

928
01:09:07,160 --> 01:09:09,240
Speaker 1: about that. You know, you don't have to even think

929
01:09:09,240 --> 01:09:13,360
Speaker 1: about the intervention. Just you know, aspective work. There are

930
01:09:13,439 --> 01:09:18,840
Speaker 1: people suffering, and if you can't step the word, that

931
01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:22,200
Speaker 1: would be very very grateful to you. And thanks again,

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01:09:22,600 --> 01:09:24,840
Speaker 1: While hey thank you, Armine.

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Speaker 2: You have a good night Man.

934
01:09:27,240 --> 01:09:29,559
Speaker 1: Good night to you too, Bless your brother.

935
01:09:30,160 --> 01:09:36,320
Speaker 2: Oh that's a really good conversation. I thank thank you again,

936
01:09:36,400 --> 01:09:39,080
Speaker 2: Thank you again, Arman for taking time out of what

937
01:09:39,160 --> 01:09:44,639
Speaker 2: I'm sure is a really fucking stressful period of time

938
01:09:44,720 --> 01:09:47,040
Speaker 2: for you to get on here and share your story

939
01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:47,840
Speaker 2: with us for an hour.

940
01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:49,439
Speaker 1: That was I I was.

941
01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:52,240
Speaker 2: I really enjoyed getting to talk to you and hear

942
01:09:52,320 --> 01:09:59,040
Speaker 2: your perspective on things. I was just thinking about how

943
01:10:01,040 --> 01:10:03,200
Speaker 2: five and a half years ago I was taking phone

944
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Speaker 2: calls about Diarryie Aing and the Lazy River and now

945
01:10:08,240 --> 01:10:13,280
Speaker 2: we're into geopolitics and gotten good for it, glad for it,

946
01:10:14,439 --> 01:10:15,200
Speaker 2: glad for it.

947
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Speaker 1: No, that was.

948
01:10:19,360 --> 01:10:21,240
Speaker 2: That was really powerful. I have you got it? I

949
01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:23,280
Speaker 2: need a second. I need a second after that.

950
01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:26,880
Speaker 1: Hmm.

951
01:10:29,160 --> 01:10:33,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. You know what I was thinking too, is like, dude,

952
01:10:33,040 --> 01:10:35,120
Speaker 2: who's I think? I was saying, It's like that that

953
01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:37,280
Speaker 2: guy Arman that we just talked to, who had like

954
01:10:37,439 --> 01:10:43,640
Speaker 2: this powerful story and this great character and this all

955
01:10:43,720 --> 01:10:46,599
Speaker 2: this stuff, like you know, he was working at Subway,

956
01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:51,960
Speaker 2: and uh, I was thinking, I'm like, dude, I think

957
01:10:51,960 --> 01:10:53,920
Speaker 2: about this now, like if I'm at subway or whatever,

958
01:10:53,960 --> 01:10:56,360
Speaker 2: I'll just be like looking at the like whoever's behind

959
01:10:56,400 --> 01:10:59,600
Speaker 2: the count I'll be like, what's what's what would my

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01:10:59,720 --> 01:11:05,559
Speaker 2: hour long conversation with this person be? You know, we're

961
01:11:05,800 --> 01:11:13,080
Speaker 2: we have this weird crossing where I buy a sandwich

962
01:11:13,120 --> 01:11:16,640
Speaker 2: from them? What what would an hour long conversation with

963
01:11:16,760 --> 01:11:19,640
Speaker 2: them be? Like? You know, you just know, you never know.

964
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Speaker 2: Do I have anything else to say?

965
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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: If I do, I think we'll call it there. Thank

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01:11:34,439 --> 01:11:43,840
Speaker 2: you guys for listening to this. Uh yeah, yeah, I

968
01:11:43,920 --> 01:11:45,559
Speaker 2: don't know. I've been getting I don't know, I've been

969
01:11:45,880 --> 01:11:48,880
Speaker 2: thinking about that. We don't we don't usually talk about

970
01:11:48,960 --> 01:11:56,840
Speaker 2: like uh intense geopolitical things or you know, domestic political things.

971
01:11:57,200 --> 01:11:59,200
Speaker 2: I think about them a lot. I like talking I

972
01:11:59,320 --> 01:12:06,439
Speaker 2: like talking about the with my friends and family. I

973
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Speaker 2: will I don't. I I think in the certain in

974
01:12:08,760 --> 01:12:13,360
Speaker 2: certain situations, I'm you know, I like talking about them

975
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Speaker 2: on the podcast. But uh yeah, I appreciate Arman for

976
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Speaker 2: uh sharing his story with us, and I'm sending blessings

977
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Speaker 2: to him and his family and Iran. Maybe I'll go

978
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Speaker 2: there one day. I was I made that video in

979
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Speaker 2: Iraq and uh, the whole you know, the whole thing.

980
01:12:38,920 --> 01:12:41,600
Speaker 2: I think and and by the way, this is not

981
01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:46,640
Speaker 2: me throwing shade to anyone because I'm I'm like this.

982
01:12:47,439 --> 01:12:50,120
Speaker 2: I was like this before I actually went there. But

983
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Speaker 2: I was like Americans, I think just have a thing

984
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Speaker 2: where like all they just view all countries in the

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Speaker 2: Middle East as the same. Like I there was a guy,

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Speaker 2: so I passed by a guy at this office that

987
01:13:04,320 --> 01:13:08,519
Speaker 2: I make my videos out of, and he was like, yo, lil,

988
01:13:08,600 --> 01:13:17,360
Speaker 2: I liked your Afghanistan video, and it was like, at

989
01:13:17,439 --> 01:13:20,280
Speaker 2: my gut, my gut instinct was like, it's Iraq, not Afghanistan.

990
01:13:20,360 --> 01:13:22,880
Speaker 2: And then I was like, you know, a year ago,

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01:13:23,960 --> 01:13:26,720
Speaker 2: I would also, I think not have enough information where

992
01:13:26,760 --> 01:13:33,559
Speaker 2: I knew the difference, you know, because you start out

993
01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:35,240
Speaker 2: six years old, you don't know what a country is.

994
01:13:35,320 --> 01:13:37,120
Speaker 2: Then you find out what your own country is, then

995
01:13:37,160 --> 01:13:41,880
Speaker 2: you find out what Minnesota is, and then at a

996
01:13:41,960 --> 01:13:50,840
Speaker 2: certain point you have to manually move the needle on

997
01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:58,240
Speaker 2: your own ignorance. Ah. But yeah, yeah, I'd like to

998
01:13:58,280 --> 01:13:59,719
Speaker 2: go to your on someday. I think that that would

999
01:13:59,720 --> 01:14:04,000
Speaker 2: be it'd be interesting. I mean, I every every every

1000
01:14:04,080 --> 01:14:06,800
Speaker 2: time I go to a place, I'm always feeling like

1001
01:14:06,920 --> 01:14:12,519
Speaker 2: I'm meeting lots of lovely people and learning more about

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01:14:15,200 --> 01:14:25,960
Speaker 2: the things that we have in common. Very it's nice, Okay,

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01:14:26,040 --> 01:14:27,639
Speaker 2: I think I said. I think I'm ready to stop talking.

1004
01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:30,679
Speaker 2: Thank you guys for listening to the Therapy Gicle podcast.

1005
01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:34,559
Speaker 2: Let me know in the comments what you think about

1006
01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:37,320
Speaker 2: this one. I'm curious to hear people's thoughts on this conversation.

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01:14:40,400 --> 01:14:45,960
Speaker 2: Get bless see you again soon goes on the line.

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01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:49,640
Speaker 1: Taking your phone calls every night ever, goes to and

1009
01:14:50,400 --> 01:14:51,320
Speaker 1: was teaching you a loud.

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Speaker 3: In the memorial, an expert