WEBVTT - The Hunk Is Back. Jason Lewis is here!

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are

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<v Speaker 1>you a Charlotte? Okay, so we have the fantastic Jason

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<v Speaker 1>Lewis here with us. Listen. You have so much weird

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<v Speaker 1>and interesting stuff going on that I don't even really

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<v Speaker 1>know where to begin. Normally, where I would begin was

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<v Speaker 1>going back in time, but I want to do that

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<v Speaker 1>in a minute, because right now, First of all, have

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<v Speaker 1>you moved to Costa Rica one hundred percent more or less.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not like a citizen there, but it's definitely where

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<v Speaker 2>I'm hanging my hat.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you have a place here?

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<v Speaker 2>No? Wow? Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>Amazing? And when did that happen?

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<v Speaker 2>About three years ago?

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<v Speaker 1>Wow? So what was that COVID or just after COVID.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it was after COVID. I just I sat down

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<v Speaker 2>at one point and I wanted did a life by design?

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<v Speaker 2>I started listing what did I want life to look like?

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<v Speaker 2>Top of list is I used to be able to

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<v Speaker 2>speak a pretty decent French and Italian, but nobody uses

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<v Speaker 2>that in the States. And so I just started learning Spanish,

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<v Speaker 2>and I want to learn Spanish. And I wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>be where the water is warm, I could be healthy.

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<v Speaker 2>Food's amazing. And I want to write a book.

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<v Speaker 1>So so you already had the desire to write a

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<v Speaker 1>book before you moved there.

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<v Speaker 2>I started outlining the series of novels in September before COVID.

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<v Speaker 2>So for me, COVID was an obsessive figuring out the

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<v Speaker 2>arc of nine different books, like I had posted notes.

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<v Speaker 1>On the ceiling and okay, so so back up a bit,

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<v Speaker 1>back up a bit. Had you ever written before?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I've written for years.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, like just for yourself or for well.

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<v Speaker 2>My inner critic never really let me share. There's an

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<v Speaker 2>irograph glass. He talked about the idea of you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we get into creative pursuits because of our taste, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's a long journey and every artist should know that

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<v Speaker 2>from where you enter through your taste and being able

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<v Speaker 2>to execute on them.

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<v Speaker 1>That makes sense.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and so I never really wrote anything that I felt,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I could tell the difference between reading something

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<v Speaker 2>that was excellent in my story.

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<v Speaker 1>But you were like creatively internally drawn to writing for

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<v Speaker 1>a long long time.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd probably written seven scripts before I wrote that, And

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<v Speaker 2>actually at first I thought, you know, I'll write this

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<v Speaker 2>as because you know, I'm just coming from being Intellivision

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<v Speaker 2>and film. I was like, I'll write it as a series, right,

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<v Speaker 2>And the more I explored it, the idea of writing

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<v Speaker 2>a novel was outside because I kind of didn't have

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<v Speaker 2>the permission of self to do it. But the more

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<v Speaker 2>I looked at it, I was like, look, I have to

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<v Speaker 2>be economical if I write this as a screenplay, right,

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<v Speaker 2>as a series. If I want to create the world

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<v Speaker 2>that's in my head, write it as a novel.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So let's talk about the world that's in your head.

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<v Speaker 1>Because so you're saying that this is going to be

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<v Speaker 1>a series of nine books.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I've plotted.

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<v Speaker 1>That's crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>To be clear, I'm only on the first one.

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<v Speaker 1>Cool, that's cool, But you have posted for nine. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't say it's all digital now, okay, got it? Whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>In my mind, it's a room full of post its.

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<v Speaker 1>But you did you previously like fantasy and sci fi?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that? Are we in the Sciphi or the fantasy everything?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a I've always been a story lover. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>I worked in libraries as a kid. Oh, I'd go

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<v Speaker 2>to the movies by myself. So I'm an old style

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<v Speaker 2>geek adorable So I've loved every genre. I mean, like

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I love like you know, you get somebody

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<v Speaker 2>like Hemingway in the Economy or you know, grim dark

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<v Speaker 2>fantasy like Joe Abercomy is my favorites today. Okay, Tolkien

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<v Speaker 2>I've probably read three times and similarly and and you know.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're like that, like that's our our mode, like

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<v Speaker 1>like a rich world that you've created.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, okay, so it's not Earth, it's human like people,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a it's a different universe.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so so so so you're you're here, but you're

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<v Speaker 1>not you're here right when this happens, like you're living

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<v Speaker 1>in la Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I was in lost Ales when I started penning it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but then you're thinking to yourself like I want

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<v Speaker 1>to change, I want to live somewhere where I can

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<v Speaker 1>be healthier or yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you step into any pursuit with a general

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<v Speaker 2>idea of what you're getting into. I had no idea

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<v Speaker 2>what I was really diving into. And as it kept

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<v Speaker 2>expanding and it became central focus, I realized that I

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<v Speaker 2>meant it and to do I'm on the fourth draft

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<v Speaker 2>of Number seven, which I started with book the Ending Sagas,

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<v Speaker 2>so I'm going to write the ending of the story

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<v Speaker 2>and then work my way back to the origin. And

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<v Speaker 2>it's an eight hundred page book right now, so I

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<v Speaker 2>needed that focus and dedication to like, hopefully it'll be Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you study writing or did you get some help

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<v Speaker 1>or did you did you?

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<v Speaker 2>I've always written, Like again, I always love story, and

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<v Speaker 2>so I've always like expressed it, you know, through short

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<v Speaker 2>stories or poems or whatever, just growing up. No, I

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<v Speaker 2>think that it's important to study. I think there's no

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<v Speaker 2>one answer. You have to find your own path. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>there's you know, a common idea of plotzers and panthers.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, do you write by the sea? I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's a combination of both. I tend to integrate a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of different structure, things like I'm a big fan

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<v Speaker 2>of the heroine's journey. You know, we classically think of

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<v Speaker 2>story as the hero's journey, but Haroin's journey is more

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<v Speaker 2>found family and growth instead of I go into the

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<v Speaker 2>world alone and I can never return because I've seen

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<v Speaker 2>too much. Yeah, and I think those stories are still great,

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<v Speaker 2>but I also don't think they serve as well for

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<v Speaker 2>learning a growth or today's world. Interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but did you like did you just kind of

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<v Speaker 1>self study those types of ideas.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I mean I read a lot of books. There's

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of material out there. I went to writing

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<v Speaker 2>ceremoniars to.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh cool cool. So you were doing that like.

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<v Speaker 2>Back, I've been doing that forever.

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<v Speaker 1>That's so amazing, And so in your mind you kind

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<v Speaker 1>of thought, oh, maybe a script. Then you're like, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to be economical. I want to just

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<v Speaker 1>write like I just want to go.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's look the thing I'm making. I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>nobody's going to hand me HBO money and they'll get

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<v Speaker 2>you know, just chopped into the little bad pieces of

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<v Speaker 2>the vision.

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<v Speaker 1>I was very realistic. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And you know, purely speaking, it also means control

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<v Speaker 2>because not the talk business, but let's talk business. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you write a screenplay, somebody options that they hold that property,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know they can hold it for just the

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<v Speaker 2>loss on their books and you never get to do

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<v Speaker 2>a damn thing with it. That's right. But if I

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<v Speaker 2>write a novel, I can lease that and continue to

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<v Speaker 2>develop my idea for as far as I want. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>So it just made sense for pure freedom of expression.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow. So then you're thinking, okay, so I want to

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<v Speaker 1>live somewhere different where I can be healthy and have

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<v Speaker 1>warm water. And you so you had you gone to

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<v Speaker 1>Costa Rica and you just loved it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Oh yeah, I've been a water baby forever, so

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<v Speaker 2>I've probably been to Coast Streak. Matter of fact, I

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<v Speaker 2>just got back from Coast Strica two days before I

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<v Speaker 2>for the first time book Sex and the City.

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<v Speaker 1>You're kidding.

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<v Speaker 2>No, Well that's.

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<v Speaker 1>A good segue. Let's discuss that. So so you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's funny because part of the joy of rewatching the

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<v Speaker 1>show because I haven't watched it, you know, since the beginning,

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<v Speaker 1>since we were doing it, right, I don't remember hardly

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<v Speaker 1>anything of this whole phase that we're in. I remembered

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of the beginning, and I remember when you came.

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<v Speaker 1>I have memories of you coming. I have memories of

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<v Speaker 1>the stress of finding the guy, right, like you remember

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't have to deal with that, right, but I

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<v Speaker 1>mean it was a big deal. Like they were very

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<v Speaker 1>into your part, and you know, then you showed up

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<v Speaker 1>and they were like, thank God, we found the guy.

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<v Speaker 1>But I don't know what that experience was like for

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<v Speaker 1>you because I never asked you because we were in

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<v Speaker 1>the middle of film, like, I don't remember asking you

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<v Speaker 1>questions like this back then.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean right, yeah. I think actually having been

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<v Speaker 2>in Kostriaca helped a lot because I had that kind

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<v Speaker 2>of just zen thing going.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And ultimately, if you look at like Sex and the

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<v Speaker 2>City's good writing, Michael Patrick, King and the whole team,

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<v Speaker 2>Cindy and all them, they were good writers because he

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<v Speaker 2>didn't just make it about the superfluous the sex and

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<v Speaker 2>say it was about you four girls, your friendships and

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<v Speaker 2>your growth. And the guys were articulations of that. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you were the hub and we were spokes.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, And sometimes you were obstacles and sometimes you were conduits, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're a conduit, which is so exciting to get

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<v Speaker 1>that mess.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's what I think. You know, I'm being serious

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<v Speaker 2>with the zen Coastreakan thing because when you look at

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<v Speaker 2>Samantha's character, her issues were vulnerability, you know, rebellion, pushing back,

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<v Speaker 2>feeling safe to let herself be seen. And you know

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<v Speaker 2>Richard did her note well, you know the first time

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<v Speaker 2>she shows herself as being vulnerables, she paid the price.

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<v Speaker 2>So Smith's character was somebody who could offer acceptance and

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<v Speaker 2>so I think I was just like, hey, everything is great.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, that was your general vibe when you were around,

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<v Speaker 1>which was kind of amazing because it was not the

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<v Speaker 1>vibe of the set right like we were. We ran

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<v Speaker 1>like intense.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was an intense production. You guys are I

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<v Speaker 2>used to call it privately Michael Patrick King Batman because

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<v Speaker 2>that dude was Auditi. You're running two crews. He was

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<v Speaker 2>on both sets. He was leading the writing.

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<v Speaker 1>And directing sometimes and editing, doing post production, casting, all

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<v Speaker 1>of it, all of it. He's super intense and impressive.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree. But also Cindy and Jenny, everybody, everybody so good.

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<v Speaker 1>John John absolutely John is the like the magician behind

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<v Speaker 1>the curtain.

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<v Speaker 2>Basically made sure all the fires got put out or

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<v Speaker 2>where they needed to be.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely all of the things anything that anyone needed Johnny.

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<v Speaker 2>Things do not get done by there was a camera.

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<v Speaker 1>So when you so you've been to Costa, Rica and

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<v Speaker 1>then you were in New York or you were here.

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<v Speaker 2>I was living in New York. So that was if

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<v Speaker 2>you remember, that was an incredibly heavy blizzard period.

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<v Speaker 1>I forgot about the blizzard.

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<v Speaker 2>It was so like we had had such an uber,

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<v Speaker 2>uber hard winner and one night I was out at

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<v Speaker 2>dinner with a friend and I was like, I've had enough,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm done, I'm going. And so we got.

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<v Speaker 1>Back from second modeling acting.

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<v Speaker 2>I was acting, got it? Got it.

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<v Speaker 1>So you'd been modeling in the past.

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<v Speaker 2>I had modeled in the past. I walked away from

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<v Speaker 2>that because I tripped into my first acting gig and again,

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<v Speaker 2>like you know, sometimes you don't give yourself permission to

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<v Speaker 2>do stuff, and I got offered a part because of

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<v Speaker 2>you know, notoriety, and I was like, oh, this is

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<v Speaker 2>the storytelling I've always wanted to do. Why wouldn't I

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<v Speaker 2>pursue this? And I tried to do both things. But

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<v Speaker 2>you have to be available to be an actor, definitely,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was never available.

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<v Speaker 1>So I got it.

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<v Speaker 2>I walked away from a lucrative career. I was young

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<v Speaker 2>enough and idealistic enough to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Totally. Let me ask you this question, just because I'm

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<v Speaker 1>always curious. When you were modeling and you were jet setting,

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<v Speaker 1>you were doing all the things, the shows and the

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<v Speaker 1>all the cool things. Were you happy or were you

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<v Speaker 1>like this is just for right now?

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<v Speaker 2>Honestly, it was such a wonderful opportunity. It it transformed

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<v Speaker 2>as I did it. You know, at first, I had

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<v Speaker 2>a much smaller worldview because I hadn't seen the world.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, when I first got to Paris, I

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<v Speaker 2>had no real intention. I was just a young punk

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<v Speaker 2>kid FROMO I was twenty one. I turned twenty one,

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<v Speaker 2>like right before I got there.

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<v Speaker 1>A baby.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And it was you know, it was a different

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<v Speaker 2>world then too, like we didn't have this monoculture we

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<v Speaker 2>have now. Like I was in a different country. There

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<v Speaker 2>was no phoning home, and it was there was a

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<v Speaker 2>point of awareness because I had a three month ticket.

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<v Speaker 2>I had saved up some money and this agency, like

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<v Speaker 2>you know, they had in front of me the ticket

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<v Speaker 2>and I didn't I really didn't take it serious. But

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<v Speaker 2>as I was coming to the end of that ticket,

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<v Speaker 2>and this was back in the day of paper tickets,

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<v Speaker 2>there was no rebooking, it was like, you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>realized that if I returned to what I knew, I

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<v Speaker 2>would do what I had done mm hmm, that I

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<v Speaker 2>had an opportunity to invent myself in a way. I

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<v Speaker 2>had no clue as to what the outcome could be,

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<v Speaker 2>but the seilings were higher, Yeah, And so I ripped

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<v Speaker 2>up the ticket, forced myself to stay and luckily one

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<v Speaker 2>of my first hobbies was photography at a dark room

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<v Speaker 2>and amazing. So I just started creating my own book

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<v Speaker 2>and started taking it seriously and got a little lucky.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. Yeah, you were also extremely gorgeous.

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<v Speaker 2>Than that was also a good thing. I didn't really

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<v Speaker 2>have that sense of self. You never had that, I agree.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I was more focused on doing it as business,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think.

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<v Speaker 1>That served me definitely.

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<v Speaker 2>Once I saw it as an opportunity, I treated like

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<v Speaker 2>business most definitely.

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<v Speaker 1>Super smart, super smart. So you're there, you tear up

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<v Speaker 1>the ticket, it goes well.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, okay, what I starved for a while?

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<v Speaker 1>What I used to uh in Paris? Yes, oh my gosh,

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<v Speaker 1>I well, statueations are done on this, yeah, tell us anything.

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<v Speaker 2>I would case of bakery and still a big get,

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<v Speaker 2>and then I would run.

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<v Speaker 1>I think, no one's going to go and get you.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I would go to like an outdoor cafe

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<v Speaker 2>and take a pot I opened it up before I

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<v Speaker 2>got there, and take a pot of their mustard and

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<v Speaker 2>dump it on, and then I'd have mustard bad a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of my mind.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so crazy, slept on floors. Wow, that's fascinating. And

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<v Speaker 1>then what what changed there?

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<v Speaker 2>I got a booking, Like I said, I managed to

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<v Speaker 2>put together a pretty good book. I still had the

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<v Speaker 2>agency that I was working with at the time, and uh,

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<v Speaker 2>got a booking and started making money.

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<v Speaker 1>And then so it took kind of that one first

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<v Speaker 1>booking and then it moved along since then. Interesting and

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<v Speaker 1>you're still super young and you're just rolling.

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<v Speaker 2>I think, yeah, I think my first like decent money

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<v Speaker 2>started coming in about a year and a half later. Wow,

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<v Speaker 2>so there was like a six month starvation period. Wow,

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<v Speaker 2>like I could buy this one cucumber. Gosh, geez what

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, it was easy to stay skinny, though, I'll

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<v Speaker 2>tell you what.

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<v Speaker 1>That's amazing. It's so interesting to me because like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you look at you. I mean, I wasn't thinking objectively

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<v Speaker 1>about all this at the time, right, Like you just

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<v Speaker 1>showed up and everybody was so excited, you know, and

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<v Speaker 1>there was I'm just gonna say this now because it's

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<v Speaker 1>really on my mind from watching the shows again. And

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<v Speaker 1>I do have some memories. Like the thing that I

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<v Speaker 1>remember the most, I remember the stress about your partner.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember everyone discussing, like, who are we going to get?

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<v Speaker 1>It's got to be this and it's got to be that.

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<v Speaker 1>And like they had built it up, you know, so

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<v Speaker 1>much so that you were going to be you were

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<v Speaker 1>going to be vulnerable, but you're going to be beautiful,

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<v Speaker 1>and you were going to be so hot you know

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<v Speaker 1>whatever that means, right, which is so subjective, right, But

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<v Speaker 1>it had to be someone where all the women in

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<v Speaker 1>your restaurant that you, your character was a waiter in,

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<v Speaker 1>would be trying to go home with you, right, And

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<v Speaker 1>then Samantha would also think you were like the prize,

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<v Speaker 1>right set, and obviously she can have and do whatever

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<v Speaker 1>she wants theoretically, right, So, but you also had to

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<v Speaker 1>be vulnerable, and you also had to match her energy

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<v Speaker 1>and like have like some power in the you know,

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<v Speaker 1>presence with her, and she had very strong, strong energy.

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<v Speaker 1>So it was so many things. And I remember a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of stress of them talking and I remember that

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<v Speaker 1>and then be so excited that they found you. Everyone

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<v Speaker 1>be like, oh, they found him, you know whatever. And

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<v Speaker 1>then you show up and you were just so calm

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<v Speaker 1>and likable and sweet, you know, and like I was

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<v Speaker 1>just like, oh my god, I want to take care

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<v Speaker 1>of him. But then I couldn't really take care of

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<v Speaker 1>you because I was over here doing the right thing,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know what I mean. But remember when we

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<v Speaker 1>had that scene and I can't remember, are you doing

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<v Speaker 1>a play and we come to see the play and

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<v Speaker 1>they're naked?

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<v Speaker 2>Jesus? I was.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I was dying for you. I mean, was

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<v Speaker 1>that the first thing you filmed or is that just

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<v Speaker 1>my first memory?

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<v Speaker 2>It's probably just first. It's a standout. It was a

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<v Speaker 2>lot man, I mean, fearful of people.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean a big theater and you're completely naked and

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<v Speaker 1>then they make you bow, and I was like, you, guys,

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<v Speaker 1>give this poor guy a Oh. They were fine. Believe me,

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<v Speaker 1>they've seen a lot by then, they've seen a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>But I just was like stressed for you because I

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<v Speaker 1>felt like, first of all, you've been built up to

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<v Speaker 1>this thing right second, and you were doing so great,

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<v Speaker 1>Like your way that you were with everyone was so

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<v Speaker 1>relaxed and put everybody at ease, which was so nice,

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<v Speaker 1>especially if someone so gorgeous you don't expect it. And

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<v Speaker 1>for men who are so gorgeous, I feel like the

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<v Speaker 1>objectification element must be odd.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's equal for men and women in different ways.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a a term for it. It's called the Cinderella

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<v Speaker 2>effect psychological term, and this idea that people see you

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<v Speaker 2>other than what you are, and the Cinderella effects is

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<v Speaker 2>the negative aspect of it, you know, you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>mean stepsisters hating Cinderella for being Cinderella. Yes, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean I'd had some practice with it before then, and

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<v Speaker 2>like I said, I never really had that as my

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<v Speaker 2>worldview for me. I was lucky enough to have spent

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of time in books and reading and having

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<v Speaker 2>other opinions. But you know, in that time, I think

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<v Speaker 2>there was also a gift in it, because the best

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<v Speaker 2>thing that we can do is develop our empathy for others,

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<v Speaker 2>to try and understand what other people go through. And

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<v Speaker 2>we live in a different conversation now. You girls are

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<v Speaker 2>from a different time than what these girls had to

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<v Speaker 2>put up with to be a strong woman at that time,

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<v Speaker 2>to hold your power like your your bitch and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>sorry you.

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<v Speaker 1>Can say okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So you either had to be like this strong arm

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<v Speaker 2>bitch or you had to be super accommodating. And boy

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<v Speaker 2>were the judgment And not that it's you know, completely gone,

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<v Speaker 2>but the equanimity is more present than it used to be,

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<v Speaker 2>and so I got, you know, in some ways to

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<v Speaker 2>experience and see what you ladies went through. A matter

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<v Speaker 2>of fact, I mean that's I remember when the show

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<v Speaker 2>first got announced, long before I ever had anything to

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<v Speaker 2>do with it, I was like, I wonder if this

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<v Speaker 2>will work because the world is the world going to

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<v Speaker 2>let for young women be leading ladies. That's not television.

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<v Speaker 2>You could do it on The Golden Girls, but but

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<v Speaker 2>you were that was a different class show.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it was totally totally different, so exciting, so

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<v Speaker 1>excited to be a part of. But there was a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of negative in the beginning, and then you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it slowly eroded. And I think a lot of that

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<v Speaker 1>had to do with the writing right, and it being

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<v Speaker 1>so relatable and people you know, finding themselves in it

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<v Speaker 1>and women embracing it obviously, but like eventually the men

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<v Speaker 1>the It was really I think driven by the male

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<v Speaker 1>critics who were like older white guys at the time, right,

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<v Speaker 1>different times for sure, but I also think that over time,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it served a purpose and the writing filled

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<v Speaker 1>so much Like when I because you were coming and

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, well, I could watch this first episode

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<v Speaker 1>because obviously that's when you show up. But it's just

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<v Speaker 1>a tiny, tiny taste of what was coming, and I

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<v Speaker 1>just fell down the rabbit hole and I just couldn't

0:20:48.000 --> 0:20:49.920
<v Speaker 1>stop watching, right, So I stayed up too late last

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<v Speaker 1>night watching because it's really really fun to watch, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>I totally can see what we created in a much

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<v Speaker 1>more objective way now in terms.

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<v Speaker 2>Of absolutely Plus you don't have the pressure of doing

0:21:01.720 --> 0:21:05.919
<v Speaker 2>your character. The characters were human. Yeah, I mean, I

0:21:05.960 --> 0:21:08.199
<v Speaker 2>think Sex and the City, you know, unlike some of

0:21:08.240 --> 0:21:12.960
<v Speaker 2>the spin off things. Of course, the sensational fun stories

0:21:12.960 --> 0:21:16.760
<v Speaker 2>are meant to entertain, but a good story entertains with allegory,

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<v Speaker 2>and we have space through the change and the challenges

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<v Speaker 2>that the characters go through to assess their own experience,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, And that's why it has everything in that

0:21:29.720 --> 0:21:32.919
<v Speaker 2>show had that. So yeah, you'd have the moments where, like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, somebody like something super sensational, like breaking up

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<v Speaker 2>with somebody over a post it note.

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<v Speaker 1>Also like your crazy sex scenes you had with SMITHA.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I was what I.

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<v Speaker 2>Was like, Oh, I really did get thrown into it

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<v Speaker 2>right away.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, what did you think, Like, what were your

0:22:01.400 --> 0:22:02.400
<v Speaker 1>thoughts at the time?

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<v Speaker 2>Hold on for sure, Look, I think part of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, it was overwhelming. I'd done enough at the

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<v Speaker 2>point to have a different, you know, sense of self

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<v Speaker 2>than the kid who had first gone to Europe. But

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<v Speaker 2>you could see, like you could see it in the writing,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. I you know, I hadn't seen much of

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<v Speaker 2>the show beforehand, and when I got hired, I had

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<v Speaker 2>a huge binge watch and watched from start to finish,

0:22:38.600 --> 0:22:42.960
<v Speaker 2>and so I could see clearly the level of commitment

0:22:43.040 --> 0:22:47.359
<v Speaker 2>of the writers and the actors that this show meant something. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and so you know, there's more safety to do something

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<v Speaker 2>like that, because it wasn't just the bullshit. Yeah you know,

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<v Speaker 2>oh yeah, here, let's get naked. You know, there was

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<v Speaker 2>a real and looking back on that character, the art,

0:23:00.920 --> 0:23:04.520
<v Speaker 2>there was a real story purpose to this character.

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<v Speaker 1>Major?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, major.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you know that when they hired you? What did

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<v Speaker 1>they say?

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<v Speaker 2>No? I just knew that, Like there was this amazing

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<v Speaker 2>opportunity for a wildly successful show and oh yeah, sure

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<v Speaker 2>I'll show off. Of course it was a great audition.

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<v Speaker 1>Did Michael talk to you about the plan a little?

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<v Speaker 2>You know? He was kind of Michael did, But I

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<v Speaker 2>had to do the the naked placinge uh in the audition?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, but wait, you didn't have to take your clothes. No,

0:23:41.680 --> 0:23:45.520
<v Speaker 1>he wasn't. That would be really bad. Okay, Okay, he

0:23:45.640 --> 0:23:47.919
<v Speaker 1>was a sad heart. Of course he was a sweetheart.

0:23:48.000 --> 0:23:51.280
<v Speaker 1>But you you had to do that in the in the.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and so at first, and this is you know

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<v Speaker 2>where I'm glad, I, you know, did the research and

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<v Speaker 2>knew enough about the show before or I did the audition.

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<v Speaker 2>So I did my take on the play and it

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<v Speaker 2>was a little too comical, tongue in cheek. I think

0:24:09.560 --> 0:24:12.360
<v Speaker 2>he gave me a direction, and I remember saying to him,

0:24:12.400 --> 0:24:14.399
<v Speaker 2>I was like, oh, so you want this more like

0:24:14.440 --> 0:24:17.400
<v Speaker 2>a Pitner play. Yeah, And he's like, it.

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<v Speaker 1>Was super s exactly, oh wow, And.

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<v Speaker 2>I went, oh, so, even with the comedy of this moment,

0:24:24.960 --> 0:24:27.679
<v Speaker 2>you are putting the depth underneath it, and you always

0:24:27.720 --> 0:24:30.399
<v Speaker 2>want it there definitely. So I think, you know, knowing

0:24:30.440 --> 0:24:34.920
<v Speaker 2>that you're more willing to do the weird, vulnerable shit.

0:24:34.800 --> 0:24:37.320
<v Speaker 1>That was being really yeah, because you knew that, you

0:24:37.400 --> 0:24:39.959
<v Speaker 1>knew that the depth was more important and that they

0:24:40.000 --> 0:24:42.040
<v Speaker 1>would be going to that place at some point.

0:24:42.200 --> 0:24:44.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you were just taking your clothes off for the

0:24:44.280 --> 0:24:45.920
<v Speaker 2>sake of taking the clothes, right, which.

0:24:45.760 --> 0:24:48.399
<v Speaker 1>Is I think a huge difference, huge difference That's the

0:24:48.440 --> 0:24:50.560
<v Speaker 1>thing that people talk about too with sex scenes, like

0:24:50.960 --> 0:24:53.680
<v Speaker 1>is it serving the plot? Is it somehow forwarding this story?

0:24:53.840 --> 0:24:56.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Because ultimately everything should be in service of the story.

0:24:56.880 --> 0:24:59.280
<v Speaker 2>The actor is the director of the writer's Absolutely story

0:24:59.320 --> 0:25:02.320
<v Speaker 2>comes first. When you know that's happening. As an actor,

0:25:02.400 --> 0:25:04.359
<v Speaker 2>you're like, how lucky am I?

0:25:04.720 --> 0:25:05.080
<v Speaker 1>Definitely?

0:25:05.119 --> 0:25:06.600
<v Speaker 2>I get to tell a story that matters.

0:25:06.800 --> 0:25:09.240
<v Speaker 1>So when you first came on the show, how many

0:25:09.960 --> 0:25:12.919
<v Speaker 1>what was the contractual commitment in terms of number of

0:25:12.920 --> 0:25:13.679
<v Speaker 1>episodes or what.

0:25:13.920 --> 0:25:16.959
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if I remember that. I mean I

0:25:16.960 --> 0:25:20.080
<v Speaker 2>think it was like six, That's what I thought.

0:25:20.119 --> 0:25:21.840
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't It wasn't like, you.

0:25:21.800 --> 0:25:23.920
<v Speaker 2>Know, it was like, we'll see if this works out,

0:25:24.400 --> 0:25:24.920
<v Speaker 2>got it?

0:25:25.320 --> 0:25:27.880
<v Speaker 1>And did they ever talk to you about the cancer

0:25:27.960 --> 0:25:29.640
<v Speaker 1>or where it was going with Samantha's character?

0:25:29.680 --> 0:25:30.840
<v Speaker 2>Not until we got close to it.

0:25:31.040 --> 0:25:34.360
<v Speaker 1>Wow. So you were just along for the ride, yeah,

0:25:34.480 --> 0:25:38.320
<v Speaker 1>and just trusting Michael and I remember you talking like

0:25:38.359 --> 0:25:41.720
<v Speaker 1>you were around, like you weren't like some guys when

0:25:41.720 --> 0:25:43.399
<v Speaker 1>they come on our show were like, well this is

0:25:43.440 --> 0:25:46.040
<v Speaker 1>their show. I'm just visiting. I'm just going to come

0:25:46.040 --> 0:25:48.040
<v Speaker 1>and go. I remember you would hang out, you'd be

0:25:48.080 --> 0:25:50.600
<v Speaker 1>at Valley Village, video village, you know what I mean.

0:25:53.160 --> 0:25:56.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I also felt very super invited. I mean

0:25:56.320 --> 0:25:59.960
<v Speaker 2>I remember my very first day, which was that restaurant scene. Yeah,

0:26:01.119 --> 0:26:02.840
<v Speaker 2>a moose boosh.

0:26:02.920 --> 0:26:06.040
<v Speaker 1>That was hard to say for some reason. I remember that.

0:26:06.080 --> 0:26:07.880
<v Speaker 1>I remember like some because we were all like, what

0:26:07.960 --> 0:26:10.800
<v Speaker 1>is this? Like, we didn't really know vegan terms, right.

0:26:12.400 --> 0:26:14.760
<v Speaker 2>I was nervous as hell because you know, like, sure

0:26:15.080 --> 0:26:18.960
<v Speaker 2>is first day on set. You guys were a established production.

0:26:19.320 --> 0:26:22.880
<v Speaker 2>Everybody knows each other. It's like going to a new

0:26:22.920 --> 0:26:27.720
<v Speaker 2>school and everybody knows everyone and you're the new guy.

0:26:28.520 --> 0:26:35.520
<v Speaker 2>And then ironically, lunch was at a school cafeteria across

0:26:35.560 --> 0:26:41.720
<v Speaker 2>the street, and I remember when I went into line,

0:26:41.840 --> 0:26:46.280
<v Speaker 2>and there's rules for lunch, and it's not an elitist thing,

0:26:46.320 --> 0:26:52.159
<v Speaker 2>it's a production thing. People above the line get first

0:26:52.160 --> 0:26:53.840
<v Speaker 2>DIBs on the food because then they have to get

0:26:53.840 --> 0:26:56.560
<v Speaker 2>back in hair and makeup while everybody's setting stuff up.

0:26:56.640 --> 0:26:59.080
<v Speaker 2>So it's you know, get these people fed and then

0:26:59.080 --> 0:27:02.680
<v Speaker 2>get them turned around. And so I had walked in

0:27:02.680 --> 0:27:03.760
<v Speaker 2>to the line and.

0:27:03.600 --> 0:27:05.680
<v Speaker 1>I got pulled out by a PA because.

0:27:05.400 --> 0:27:08.159
<v Speaker 2>He didn't know who I was. And at first I

0:27:08.200 --> 0:27:10.879
<v Speaker 2>was like, what did I Oh, he doesn't realize it,

0:27:10.920 --> 0:27:14.000
<v Speaker 2>and so I got back in line and I grabbed

0:27:14.040 --> 0:27:16.679
<v Speaker 2>my lunch and i looked out over the sea of

0:27:16.720 --> 0:27:20.160
<v Speaker 2>people and I'm like, I'm all alone, no, no, And

0:27:22.720 --> 0:27:27.560
<v Speaker 2>I wasn't because Sarah came right up to me. You

0:27:27.600 --> 0:27:31.440
<v Speaker 2>guys were sitting together and just took me and sat

0:27:31.520 --> 0:27:35.200
<v Speaker 2>me down. And immediately you were there, and Cynthia was there,

0:27:35.280 --> 0:27:38.600
<v Speaker 2>and I think Kim wasn't. I don't remember, but I

0:27:38.640 --> 0:27:40.960
<v Speaker 2>remember Sarah grabbing me from the lunchline and seeing the

0:27:41.000 --> 0:27:44.480
<v Speaker 2>lost puppy. You brought me in right away. You were

0:27:44.560 --> 0:27:46.800
<v Speaker 2>very like warm and engendering good.

0:27:46.840 --> 0:27:51.080
<v Speaker 1>I think by then we really realized, for especially guys

0:27:51.119 --> 0:27:53.120
<v Speaker 1>who had an ARC right, which we knew you at

0:27:53.119 --> 0:27:55.439
<v Speaker 1>that point, that you were not just like a couple right,

0:27:55.520 --> 0:27:58.080
<v Speaker 1>that you were an ARC. I think we realized that

0:27:58.280 --> 0:28:00.880
<v Speaker 1>it's hard, it's hard to come in. We've obviously been

0:28:00.960 --> 0:28:03.320
<v Speaker 1>established for a while. By that point, we were successful.

0:28:03.520 --> 0:28:05.040
<v Speaker 1>And in the beginning, we'd had like these kind of

0:28:05.080 --> 0:28:07.439
<v Speaker 1>one off guys, right, you know, like I would have

0:28:07.480 --> 0:28:10.280
<v Speaker 1>a date a week basically in the beginning, But then

0:28:10.280 --> 0:28:13.080
<v Speaker 1>we started having the longer storylines and we knew that

0:28:13.119 --> 0:28:15.159
<v Speaker 1>this was going to be a longer storyline and that

0:28:15.400 --> 0:28:20.040
<v Speaker 1>it helped everybody for us to include and also like

0:28:20.160 --> 0:28:22.160
<v Speaker 1>we don't want anyone feeling sad, No.

0:28:22.320 --> 0:28:23.640
<v Speaker 2>You know, wonderful.

0:28:23.920 --> 0:28:24.440
<v Speaker 1>So glad.

0:28:24.560 --> 0:28:26.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I may have been showing up, but it was

0:28:26.520 --> 0:28:28.639
<v Speaker 2>easy to show up to like people made space.

0:28:29.160 --> 0:28:31.720
<v Speaker 1>I'm glad. I'm so glad. I just remember you being

0:28:32.359 --> 0:28:34.840
<v Speaker 1>I just remember the hoopla before you got there, and

0:28:34.880 --> 0:28:37.159
<v Speaker 1>then I remember you coming in all this going like whoa,

0:28:37.440 --> 0:28:40.080
<v Speaker 1>Like good lord did they find the guy? Oh my god?

0:28:40.360 --> 0:28:43.800
<v Speaker 1>And then you're just being the sweetest, sweetest, like so

0:28:44.000 --> 0:28:46.800
<v Speaker 1>nice to everyone, Like all the writers loved you. Everybody

0:28:46.800 --> 0:28:48.720
<v Speaker 1>always was like, oh, maybe Jason won't come to X,

0:28:48.800 --> 0:28:50.360
<v Speaker 1>Y or Z. Like you know what I'm saying, Like

0:28:50.400 --> 0:28:52.239
<v Speaker 1>you were you were like the new kid, but we

0:28:52.240 --> 0:28:55.720
<v Speaker 1>were super excited. You know that's right. I remember, And

0:28:56.120 --> 0:28:59.440
<v Speaker 1>I felt like you had such a hard job in

0:28:59.520 --> 0:29:01.760
<v Speaker 1>terms of like you had to walk this line of

0:29:01.800 --> 0:29:04.800
<v Speaker 1>being this hunk you know, who she really wants. But

0:29:04.800 --> 0:29:06.720
<v Speaker 1>then also you're an actor, but then that can be

0:29:06.760 --> 0:29:09.720
<v Speaker 1>such a cliche, right, which is kind of in the writing,

0:29:10.080 --> 0:29:10.880
<v Speaker 1>which I loved.

0:29:11.240 --> 0:29:16.000
<v Speaker 2>Well. Again, like I think that speaks to how good

0:29:16.000 --> 0:29:20.880
<v Speaker 2>the writing was because they played into the tropes instead

0:29:20.880 --> 0:29:25.360
<v Speaker 2>of like avoiding them. But like your character, I think,

0:29:25.600 --> 0:29:28.160
<v Speaker 2>you know, and you did an amazing job with thank you,

0:29:28.760 --> 0:29:33.360
<v Speaker 2>because it would have been so easy for you to

0:29:34.200 --> 0:29:39.520
<v Speaker 2>let that character be naive and annoying, and instead, you know,

0:29:39.560 --> 0:29:42.640
<v Speaker 2>there was sincerity and hope. Like all the characters served

0:29:42.640 --> 0:29:46.400
<v Speaker 2>a purpose. They weren't just these character types. You know,

0:29:47.800 --> 0:29:50.320
<v Speaker 2>you had that heart and it can work out and

0:29:50.720 --> 0:29:55.280
<v Speaker 2>let's you know where you know, maybe you know, Carrie

0:29:55.440 --> 0:29:58.520
<v Speaker 2>was the analyst and Miranda was the critic, and you know,

0:29:59.240 --> 0:30:02.200
<v Speaker 2>certainly Samantha was the world.

0:30:02.200 --> 0:30:06.040
<v Speaker 1>Totally, totally totally, and I think that's why, like, and

0:30:06.080 --> 0:30:08.960
<v Speaker 1>this is what I love, like to me when we

0:30:09.120 --> 0:30:13.200
<v Speaker 1>watch Samantha with you, it's the culmination of all of

0:30:13.240 --> 0:30:17.719
<v Speaker 1>these years of seasons that she's been I'm doing what

0:30:17.760 --> 0:30:20.200
<v Speaker 1>i want. I'm doing what i want, I'm untouchable, I'm

0:30:20.200 --> 0:30:22.360
<v Speaker 1>going to take what i want. Like such a kind

0:30:22.400 --> 0:30:28.160
<v Speaker 1>of traditionally male power character. Yeah, absolutely, and so incredibly

0:30:28.240 --> 0:30:31.160
<v Speaker 1>powerful as a result. Right, Like, you just don't see

0:30:31.160 --> 0:30:32.800
<v Speaker 1>this character, you know what I'm saying.

0:30:32.880 --> 0:30:35.600
<v Speaker 2>But that's also the thing about all the characters, Like

0:30:35.680 --> 0:30:38.600
<v Speaker 2>there was something for all the characters to learn. Yeah, right,

0:30:39.520 --> 0:30:42.560
<v Speaker 2>because if there is no change. If there is nothing

0:30:42.600 --> 0:30:43.600
<v Speaker 2>to learn, it's not.

0:30:43.520 --> 0:30:48.040
<v Speaker 1>Interesting, absolutely, And that's what was so great for that character,

0:30:48.160 --> 0:30:52.200
<v Speaker 1>because you are like all the things at once, right,

0:30:52.280 --> 0:30:55.680
<v Speaker 1>Like you're a hot hunk whatever, right, Like she would

0:30:55.720 --> 0:30:58.840
<v Speaker 1>theoretically want like her impulse of like I want that,

0:30:59.040 --> 0:31:01.600
<v Speaker 1>I want that, and you're so much more and you

0:31:01.640 --> 0:31:04.560
<v Speaker 1>see her struggling against it, like the episode where you

0:31:04.560 --> 0:31:08.320
<v Speaker 1>guys are role playing you know, different things. That's so

0:31:08.560 --> 0:31:11.000
<v Speaker 1>good and it has such a great conversation because I've

0:31:11.000 --> 0:31:13.400
<v Speaker 1>forgotten all this, right, I'm like, what is going on?

0:31:13.520 --> 0:31:15.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, my shoes are stuck together. I'm like, what

0:31:15.600 --> 0:31:16.440
<v Speaker 1>is going on with this?

0:31:16.560 --> 0:31:16.680
<v Speaker 2>You know?

0:31:16.720 --> 0:31:19.680
<v Speaker 1>Because you're she has like a not rape fantasy, but

0:31:19.800 --> 0:31:23.080
<v Speaker 1>like close right, and you know you're just playing along.

0:31:23.160 --> 0:31:25.520
<v Speaker 1>It's so so likable. And then she comes and she

0:31:25.640 --> 0:31:28.000
<v Speaker 1>tells us the whole This is the scene where Burger

0:31:28.120 --> 0:31:29.520
<v Speaker 1>is going to tell us that he's just not that

0:31:29.640 --> 0:31:32.080
<v Speaker 1>into you. It's such an amazing scene because it starts

0:31:32.080 --> 0:31:35.040
<v Speaker 1>with her reliving this rape fantasy she had with you,

0:31:35.320 --> 0:31:38.920
<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, Samantha, you know, rape in any form, no.

0:31:38.760 --> 0:31:39.040
<v Speaker 2>No, no.

0:31:39.320 --> 0:31:42.360
<v Speaker 1>And it shows each character's perception of that, right, And

0:31:42.400 --> 0:31:45.920
<v Speaker 1>then you she's she leaves because you call her and

0:31:45.960 --> 0:31:49.720
<v Speaker 1>she's like gotta go, you know. And then Miranda's telling

0:31:49.840 --> 0:31:51.480
<v Speaker 1>us the whole, you know, blow by blow of her

0:31:51.560 --> 0:31:53.760
<v Speaker 1>date the night before and how this guy she really

0:31:53.840 --> 0:31:56.440
<v Speaker 1>likes but he couldn't come up and he's going to

0:31:56.600 --> 0:32:00.600
<v Speaker 1>call her, and Burger's like sitting there and I've forgotten.

0:32:00.680 --> 0:32:02.680
<v Speaker 1>I knew that that part was coming at some point,

0:32:02.760 --> 0:32:06.000
<v Speaker 1>but you know, you forget how seamlessly they would write

0:32:06.040 --> 0:32:06.360
<v Speaker 1>it in.

0:32:07.040 --> 0:32:11.040
<v Speaker 2>It's in that again mark of a good writing they

0:32:11.160 --> 0:32:13.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, I actually was, you know, when you asked

0:32:14.000 --> 0:32:15.760
<v Speaker 2>me to do this. I started reflecting a little and

0:32:15.760 --> 0:32:23.480
<v Speaker 2>watching a couple of episodes and just it's been resurfacing it. Yeah,

0:32:23.600 --> 0:32:26.800
<v Speaker 2>that's I think, like when you have really good character

0:32:26.920 --> 0:32:31.440
<v Speaker 2>development like they had, it seems as if they've planned

0:32:31.480 --> 0:32:36.720
<v Speaker 2>it from the very very go, because there's truth connective

0:32:36.800 --> 0:32:40.920
<v Speaker 2>tissue all the way through. Yeah, and so I guarantee

0:32:40.920 --> 0:32:42.280
<v Speaker 2>you they had no idea there was going to be

0:32:42.280 --> 0:32:45.760
<v Speaker 2>a Smith character when they started, but they understood the

0:32:45.880 --> 0:32:48.680
<v Speaker 2>character that they made of Samantha. Yeah, just like you

0:32:48.680 --> 0:32:53.760
<v Speaker 2>know you ending up with Harry Harry Adan's character, like

0:32:54.400 --> 0:32:56.160
<v Speaker 2>well you were the you know, life's got to be

0:32:56.200 --> 0:32:58.600
<v Speaker 2>in the perfect package. And so your lesson as a

0:32:58.680 --> 0:33:01.959
<v Speaker 2>character was to learn that some times things go different

0:33:01.960 --> 0:33:02.800
<v Speaker 2>than you expected.

0:33:04.080 --> 0:33:07.080
<v Speaker 1>Yes, and she has that lesson over and over and over,

0:33:07.120 --> 0:33:08.120
<v Speaker 1>which is so great.

0:33:08.360 --> 0:33:10.160
<v Speaker 2>I doubt they knew that they were going to write

0:33:10.160 --> 0:33:13.000
<v Speaker 2>now character, but they understood the characters so well, and

0:33:13.040 --> 0:33:15.280
<v Speaker 2>so the writings came from them naturally.

0:33:15.760 --> 0:33:19.480
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, the character. I think that comes and I'm

0:33:19.520 --> 0:33:21.960
<v Speaker 1>sure that you're facing this with your own writing. It

0:33:22.080 --> 0:33:27.120
<v Speaker 1>takes such confidence to trust that it does it.

0:33:27.920 --> 0:33:31.480
<v Speaker 2>It's also a gift when you start doing because it

0:33:31.760 --> 0:33:35.080
<v Speaker 2>kind of leads you to the answer. You know, it's

0:33:35.160 --> 0:33:38.040
<v Speaker 2>almost letting it come in instead of pushing.

0:33:37.800 --> 0:33:41.360
<v Speaker 1>It out nice. You know that's amazing, Like you're like,

0:33:42.120 --> 0:33:43.160
<v Speaker 1>the character really do this?

0:33:43.400 --> 0:33:46.280
<v Speaker 2>No, this is dishonest. And one of the things I've

0:33:46.360 --> 0:33:51.000
<v Speaker 2>worked the most on is that understanding the motivations of why,

0:33:51.080 --> 0:34:00.520
<v Speaker 2>and then you get these wonderful plot points or new characters.

0:34:05.880 --> 0:34:08.520
<v Speaker 1>Let's go back to the writing for a second. So

0:34:08.920 --> 0:34:11.640
<v Speaker 1>you're in Costa Rica. What does a day look like?

0:34:13.800 --> 0:34:16.719
<v Speaker 2>Kind of boring? But you just wake up and you write,

0:34:16.840 --> 0:34:21.759
<v Speaker 2>I get up like around four why because I god

0:34:21.840 --> 0:34:25.160
<v Speaker 2>like eight thirty? I like to see down to see

0:34:25.200 --> 0:34:28.200
<v Speaker 2>don I live on like a ten mile long beach.

0:34:28.480 --> 0:34:34.120
<v Speaker 1>What the video that you made on Instagram your beach? Yeah, oh, Jason.

0:34:34.719 --> 0:34:36.840
<v Speaker 2>So I'll either walk it, or I'll run it, or

0:34:36.880 --> 0:34:39.760
<v Speaker 2>I'll surf it. I surf with the tide. So sometimes

0:34:39.840 --> 0:34:44.840
<v Speaker 2>it's in the morning, sometimes it's midday. Then I you know,

0:34:44.840 --> 0:34:48.279
<v Speaker 2>I have my little routines. I get going, extra little exercise,

0:34:48.960 --> 0:34:53.600
<v Speaker 2>wake myself up, coffee, and I put about. It depends

0:34:53.640 --> 0:34:55.760
<v Speaker 2>on the day and other demands. But I write almost

0:34:55.840 --> 0:34:59.280
<v Speaker 2>every day and I put good five hours in most days.

0:34:59.320 --> 0:35:02.880
<v Speaker 1>Amazing. Did you have to develop that discipline or did

0:35:02.920 --> 0:35:05.640
<v Speaker 1>it you go, Okay, that's kind of hard.

0:35:05.680 --> 0:35:08.920
<v Speaker 2>I think it is. It is, And it's also like anything,

0:35:09.080 --> 0:35:15.759
<v Speaker 2>you get a sort of kinetic momentum. Going through the

0:35:15.840 --> 0:35:21.560
<v Speaker 2>last draft. There are things that I've had to figure out,

0:35:21.640 --> 0:35:23.239
<v Speaker 2>you know, when you decide that you're going to write

0:35:23.239 --> 0:35:27.960
<v Speaker 2>across thousands of years, and there's still a lot that

0:35:28.040 --> 0:35:30.359
<v Speaker 2>I have to figure out. But I've figured out lineages,

0:35:30.480 --> 0:35:34.400
<v Speaker 2>and I know the ending of six, I know the

0:35:34.480 --> 0:35:36.239
<v Speaker 2>ending of five, I know the ending of four to one,

0:35:36.320 --> 0:35:39.000
<v Speaker 2>two and three. I have all those paint and these

0:35:39.000 --> 0:35:40.680
<v Speaker 2>different characters now there's going to be a lot to

0:35:40.719 --> 0:35:44.239
<v Speaker 2>discover along the way. But I look back at some

0:35:44.320 --> 0:35:48.120
<v Speaker 2>of those earlier notes, I had no idea. Now you've

0:35:48.160 --> 0:35:52.040
<v Speaker 2>got this concrete development of a thousand million choices that

0:35:52.120 --> 0:35:55.400
<v Speaker 2>you've made and cobbled together into a substance. And so

0:35:56.600 --> 0:35:59.399
<v Speaker 2>that led to that sort of kinetic feeling like it's

0:35:59.400 --> 0:36:02.920
<v Speaker 2>so easy. Like at first it was a forced discipline,

0:36:03.080 --> 0:36:05.239
<v Speaker 2>and now it's I really want to get to the chair,

0:36:05.280 --> 0:36:06.719
<v Speaker 2>and most other things are in the way.

0:36:07.120 --> 0:36:10.399
<v Speaker 1>Wow. When you so you said you were looking at

0:36:10.400 --> 0:36:14.760
<v Speaker 1>the fourth draft, do you share it with someone or

0:36:14.920 --> 0:36:15.880
<v Speaker 1>get advice?

0:36:16.800 --> 0:36:21.799
<v Speaker 2>I did on the third is the third draft that

0:36:21.880 --> 0:36:28.600
<v Speaker 2>I did it the second Sorry okay, no, it was

0:36:28.640 --> 0:36:32.719
<v Speaker 2>the second draft. So on the second draft of it,

0:36:32.880 --> 0:36:36.400
<v Speaker 2>I gave it to a development editor. Wonderful girl. Oh

0:36:36.480 --> 0:36:39.640
<v Speaker 2>got it, got it, got she really knows. She used

0:36:39.640 --> 0:36:44.359
<v Speaker 2>to work for HarperCollins fantasy and stuff. And it was great,

0:36:44.400 --> 0:36:47.360
<v Speaker 2>And it was really encouraging because I've spent an enormous

0:36:47.400 --> 0:36:50.239
<v Speaker 2>amount of time alone because you know, it's like, it's

0:36:50.239 --> 0:36:53.720
<v Speaker 2>really hard to bother people with this, honestly telling people

0:36:54.680 --> 0:36:59.320
<v Speaker 2>the So what's Tolkien about elves? There's some elves in it?

0:36:59.560 --> 0:37:04.520
<v Speaker 2>I don't have else. It was really encouraging because her

0:37:04.600 --> 0:37:07.760
<v Speaker 2>notes weren't very far off from what I already understood,

0:37:07.840 --> 0:37:11.520
<v Speaker 2>and I've in between all the drafts. What I do

0:37:11.640 --> 0:37:15.920
<v Speaker 2>is I re outline and I redeveloped the you know,

0:37:16.000 --> 0:37:20.840
<v Speaker 2>the core structure as it's refined. Matter of fact, I

0:37:20.960 --> 0:37:24.239
<v Speaker 2>just did a whole two week thing on because I

0:37:24.360 --> 0:37:26.719
<v Speaker 2>really reached a point in the draft where there's this

0:37:26.880 --> 0:37:31.720
<v Speaker 2>prophecy thing. I have my own magic system in history,

0:37:31.760 --> 0:37:34.600
<v Speaker 2>and so I wanted to make sure it was really

0:37:34.640 --> 0:37:37.279
<v Speaker 2>clear before. Because this is the draft that I will

0:37:37.520 --> 0:37:41.640
<v Speaker 2>put out people and start getting like finished polish notes,

0:37:41.640 --> 0:37:43.920
<v Speaker 2>I'd like to try and publish it on one more draft.

0:37:55.040 --> 0:37:57.600
<v Speaker 1>Let's get back to you. So you're in Costa Rica.

0:37:58.000 --> 0:38:00.760
<v Speaker 1>You're you're getting up your exercise at four in the morning.

0:38:01.040 --> 0:38:04.279
<v Speaker 2>So I usually I'll get up, you know, I have

0:38:04.360 --> 0:38:08.000
<v Speaker 2>my coffee or some tea. I do a little like

0:38:08.120 --> 0:38:11.480
<v Speaker 2>warm up exercise. I like to start the day learning

0:38:11.520 --> 0:38:16.600
<v Speaker 2>a little. Then I go for my walk. Then when

0:38:16.640 --> 0:38:19.880
<v Speaker 2>I've gotten the ants out of my pants, I'll usually

0:38:19.960 --> 0:38:22.680
<v Speaker 2>have a writing session in the morning and then go

0:38:22.800 --> 0:38:27.200
<v Speaker 2>have breakfast, and then I'll have another writing session. If

0:38:27.200 --> 0:38:30.560
<v Speaker 2>I don't have a other demand, I'll do like a

0:38:30.640 --> 0:38:32.200
<v Speaker 2>yoga eater or something.

0:38:31.920 --> 0:38:37.919
<v Speaker 1>Just to step away nice, nice, poor, a nap amazing.

0:38:38.520 --> 0:38:41.080
<v Speaker 2>And so basically my days are sort of rinse and repeat.

0:38:41.120 --> 0:38:43.000
<v Speaker 2>I eat, I sleep, I write.

0:38:43.920 --> 0:38:47.040
<v Speaker 1>Do you miss being here at all? Yes?

0:38:47.120 --> 0:38:51.800
<v Speaker 2>And no. There are things here that I can access,

0:38:52.000 --> 0:38:55.360
<v Speaker 2>and you know, I travel a good amount, like you know,

0:38:55.520 --> 0:38:58.120
<v Speaker 2>go to New York. I was just there, and when

0:38:58.160 --> 0:38:59.759
<v Speaker 2>I do, like I just went to a comedy show

0:39:00.200 --> 0:39:02.680
<v Speaker 2>night with a buddy, which was great. It was really

0:39:02.719 --> 0:39:06.880
<v Speaker 2>good to good good. Yeah. Yeah, so there's that kind

0:39:06.880 --> 0:39:11.800
<v Speaker 2>of stuff, but there is sort of a fundamental flaw

0:39:12.160 --> 0:39:15.480
<v Speaker 2>that I do enjoy, Like there's a simple way I

0:39:15.560 --> 0:39:19.160
<v Speaker 2>live in a small town and yeah, maybe the ambitions

0:39:19.160 --> 0:39:21.840
<v Speaker 2>are smaller, but nobody's invisible.

0:39:22.480 --> 0:39:23.040
<v Speaker 1>That's nice.

0:39:23.200 --> 0:39:26.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's really lovely, Like we're kind of forgetting community,

0:39:26.880 --> 0:39:30.440
<v Speaker 2>especially with the way social media and news and everything

0:39:30.440 --> 0:39:33.520
<v Speaker 2>has been broadcast at people for all these years, about

0:39:33.680 --> 0:39:36.239
<v Speaker 2>creating this sense of us and them and each other

0:39:36.480 --> 0:39:40.480
<v Speaker 2>and you know, the cohesiveness, like you know, one time

0:39:41.680 --> 0:39:44.640
<v Speaker 2>we were talking about your skunking issue. Earlier, when I

0:39:44.640 --> 0:39:47.520
<v Speaker 2>got skunked, I was on a I was on a

0:39:47.560 --> 0:39:51.000
<v Speaker 2>four month camping trip and I camped across the US

0:39:51.040 --> 0:39:53.880
<v Speaker 2>with my dogs, and you know what I saw, and

0:39:54.040 --> 0:39:56.120
<v Speaker 2>same thing I see everywhere I've traveled in the world.

0:39:56.160 --> 0:39:59.520
<v Speaker 2>There's more that binds us as people than separate Persinitely,

0:40:00.480 --> 0:40:05.799
<v Speaker 2>when we just are stuck in these anonymous, big system structures,

0:40:05.840 --> 0:40:06.840
<v Speaker 2>we sometimes forget that.

0:40:07.200 --> 0:40:10.720
<v Speaker 1>Of course, I think that's really really important, really important

0:40:10.719 --> 0:40:14.200
<v Speaker 1>to remember. It's great. So you're more, you feel more

0:40:14.280 --> 0:40:16.560
<v Speaker 1>part of a community, you're less.

0:40:16.640 --> 0:40:18.160
<v Speaker 2>And I'm a bit of a hermit. I mean, like

0:40:18.200 --> 0:40:22.719
<v Speaker 2>I said, I eat, I sleep, I surve I right, like,

0:40:22.800 --> 0:40:25.960
<v Speaker 2>I spend a lot of time alone, sort of a

0:40:26.000 --> 0:40:26.640
<v Speaker 2>quiet life.

0:40:26.880 --> 0:40:30.359
<v Speaker 1>So when it suits you, you're saying it suits.

0:40:30.160 --> 0:40:32.600
<v Speaker 2>It suits the path I'm on, right.

0:40:32.760 --> 0:40:34.120
<v Speaker 1>Right, right, So it might not be forever.

0:40:35.400 --> 0:40:37.920
<v Speaker 2>No dream of dreams. I write this book in the

0:40:37.960 --> 0:40:39.320
<v Speaker 2>next book in a different country.

0:40:39.680 --> 0:40:42.359
<v Speaker 1>Oh wow, that's cool.

0:40:42.239 --> 0:40:45.640
<v Speaker 2>I kind of want to, Like, I figured, it'll take

0:40:45.680 --> 0:40:47.720
<v Speaker 2>me about those massagnoses.

0:40:48.600 --> 0:40:51.960
<v Speaker 1>Mum, fluid you need to speak Spanish fluently.

0:40:52.040 --> 0:40:53.120
<v Speaker 2>I need about two more years.

0:40:53.200 --> 0:40:57.120
<v Speaker 1>Okay, I've missed the years the rest of way. Cool cool,

0:40:57.400 --> 0:40:59.960
<v Speaker 1>two years to learn Spanish fluently or to finish the book.

0:41:00.120 --> 0:41:04.200
<v Speaker 2>You know, to learn Spanish. But probably that's about like

0:41:04.280 --> 0:41:06.640
<v Speaker 2>the time where I would be, you know, publishing and

0:41:06.680 --> 0:41:11.960
<v Speaker 2>stuff with this book. Uh so, I don't know. I

0:41:11.960 --> 0:41:15.240
<v Speaker 2>want to, but maybe I'll learn Portuguese next.

0:41:15.880 --> 0:41:16.520
<v Speaker 1>Very cool.

0:41:16.800 --> 0:41:17.640
<v Speaker 2>I've never been there.

0:41:19.680 --> 0:41:22.040
<v Speaker 1>It looks amazing me too. So do you miss acting

0:41:22.080 --> 0:41:22.359
<v Speaker 1>at all?

0:41:23.080 --> 0:41:28.080
<v Speaker 2>I do. I do because of the storytelling aspect of it.

0:41:28.719 --> 0:41:31.040
<v Speaker 2>I love storytelling. I love being a part of the story.

0:41:31.600 --> 0:41:33.360
<v Speaker 2>And sets are so damn fun.

0:41:33.480 --> 0:41:36.920
<v Speaker 1>They are fun. They they're interesting. Yea, very interesting.

0:41:36.960 --> 0:41:40.120
<v Speaker 2>I've started putting more focus back towards returning.

0:41:39.640 --> 0:41:42.120
<v Speaker 1>To that great Oh I thought it was I thought

0:41:42.160 --> 0:41:42.400
<v Speaker 1>you were.

0:41:43.080 --> 0:41:46.239
<v Speaker 2>No. I think it's something that I always want to embrace.

0:41:47.480 --> 0:41:53.359
<v Speaker 2>But there's you know, as an actor, oftentimes you have

0:41:53.560 --> 0:41:57.919
<v Speaker 2>very little participation in the creative direction of something. You're

0:41:57.920 --> 0:42:03.040
<v Speaker 2>an interpreter. There's a joy I get from playing that

0:42:03.200 --> 0:42:04.800
<v Speaker 2>puzzle all by myself.

0:42:05.440 --> 0:42:07.360
<v Speaker 1>I get it. I mean, that's one of the things

0:42:07.400 --> 0:42:10.680
<v Speaker 1>that I realize now in retrospect. We had even though

0:42:10.880 --> 0:42:13.160
<v Speaker 1>we didn't have the titles in the beginning of the show,

0:42:14.000 --> 0:42:17.640
<v Speaker 1>we were so included. And because you're creating this character

0:42:18.040 --> 0:42:21.719
<v Speaker 1>with the writers over time, over time, over time, you

0:42:21.840 --> 0:42:24.799
<v Speaker 1>do get to have so much more input. Like it's

0:42:24.840 --> 0:42:26.480
<v Speaker 1>satisfying in a different way.

0:42:26.480 --> 0:42:29.200
<v Speaker 2>Well, I think there was also a testament to the

0:42:29.600 --> 0:42:31.440
<v Speaker 2>vision and confidence.

0:42:30.920 --> 0:42:33.120
<v Speaker 1>Of yeah, the team, Michael and everybody.

0:42:33.280 --> 0:42:35.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, sure, like he knew what he knew, like a

0:42:35.600 --> 0:42:39.600
<v Speaker 2>good leader, Yeah, listens to everything and then makes a decision. Yep,

0:42:39.680 --> 0:42:43.160
<v Speaker 2>you know, a week leader refuses to let the ideas in.

0:42:43.400 --> 0:42:45.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, that's true, that's true. No, he was always

0:42:46.200 --> 0:42:48.399
<v Speaker 1>a porous Like I didn't realize this. I had him

0:42:48.400 --> 0:42:51.080
<v Speaker 1>on maybe a couple of weeks ago, and yeah, yeah,

0:42:51.120 --> 0:42:53.319
<v Speaker 1>he's it's so much fun how the writer's on. It's

0:42:53.440 --> 0:42:57.160
<v Speaker 1>really exciting. I mean, it's also absolutely well, well, my

0:42:57.200 --> 0:42:59.960
<v Speaker 1>whole point in doing this was too really too thing

0:43:00.400 --> 0:43:03.200
<v Speaker 1>one is that I felt like everyone else was rewatching

0:43:03.239 --> 0:43:05.360
<v Speaker 1>it and talking about it and putting their thoughts on

0:43:05.400 --> 0:43:07.520
<v Speaker 1>it and whatnot, and I felt like, well, why aren't

0:43:07.520 --> 0:43:09.919
<v Speaker 1>we part of that conversation, you know, like we made

0:43:09.920 --> 0:43:12.400
<v Speaker 1>it right, Like, let's talk about it. And I also

0:43:12.440 --> 0:43:15.160
<v Speaker 1>wanted to kind of make a tapestry of the different

0:43:15.200 --> 0:43:17.480
<v Speaker 1>voices of the different people that were part of making

0:43:17.480 --> 0:43:20.040
<v Speaker 1>the show right, because it takes so many people, as

0:43:20.080 --> 0:43:23.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, like over all this time, you know, the writers,

0:43:23.360 --> 0:43:26.000
<v Speaker 1>the producers, you know, I haven't had as many crew

0:43:26.000 --> 0:43:28.560
<v Speaker 1>members on the Yeah, exactly. I would love to have more,

0:43:28.600 --> 0:43:31.040
<v Speaker 1>but but it takes a lot lot a lot of people.

0:43:31.120 --> 0:43:33.480
<v Speaker 1>And also I love to hear because it has turned

0:43:33.520 --> 0:43:37.600
<v Speaker 1>into it it's it's held its place so well, you know,

0:43:37.640 --> 0:43:39.719
<v Speaker 1>which we never really could have ever dreamt of.

0:43:40.239 --> 0:43:44.200
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's amazing particular that kind of stuff. Definitely, Definitely,

0:43:44.239 --> 0:43:46.560
<v Speaker 2>I do think it comes to what we keep bringing up,

0:43:46.680 --> 0:43:51.040
<v Speaker 2>like the characters are as relatable now as that's why

0:43:51.680 --> 0:43:54.880
<v Speaker 2>books last hundreds of years, you know, the time periods

0:43:54.880 --> 0:43:57.240
<v Speaker 2>have changed, but the humanity hasn't.

0:43:57.400 --> 0:44:00.000
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely and the questions like you know how Carrie always

0:43:59.840 --> 0:44:03.560
<v Speaker 1>has question every every episode about your relationship. I'm always like, oh,

0:44:03.680 --> 0:44:05.840
<v Speaker 1>that's such a good question. I have to ask that

0:44:05.920 --> 0:44:08.240
<v Speaker 1>question about X, Y or Z right, like it really

0:44:08.520 --> 0:44:11.000
<v Speaker 1>it's incredible. And again that's the writing, but it's also

0:44:11.080 --> 0:44:12.280
<v Speaker 1>the execution of the writing.

0:44:12.320 --> 0:44:12.960
<v Speaker 2>Oh absolutely.

0:44:12.960 --> 0:44:15.040
<v Speaker 1>You know, as you mentioned earlier, you know, we were

0:44:15.080 --> 0:44:18.160
<v Speaker 1>an intense it was an intense world, which I think

0:44:18.239 --> 0:44:23.640
<v Speaker 1>has been you know, somewhat misinterpreted or whatever misconstrued I

0:44:23.680 --> 0:44:25.480
<v Speaker 1>guess out there in the world. But I think that

0:44:26.040 --> 0:44:28.600
<v Speaker 1>to me, part of the reason that the show is

0:44:28.640 --> 0:44:32.520
<v Speaker 1>so good is because every single person took their job

0:44:32.719 --> 0:44:34.040
<v Speaker 1>very seriously.

0:44:33.800 --> 0:44:39.800
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely right, yeah, and did damn good jobs like powerhouse acting.

0:44:40.080 --> 0:44:41.080
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely but a.

0:44:42.040 --> 0:44:46.759
<v Speaker 1>Costume set deck, everybody was like very committed. Yes, you

0:44:46.920 --> 0:44:51.640
<v Speaker 1>can say costume, right, tell us what do you remember?

0:44:51.960 --> 0:44:55.360
<v Speaker 2>Oh god, she was like one of the most amazing

0:44:55.520 --> 0:44:59.600
<v Speaker 2>people every Yeah that field.

0:44:59.680 --> 0:45:01.800
<v Speaker 1>Sorry, yeah, it's okay, they know, but you know, I

0:45:01.960 --> 0:45:02.560
<v Speaker 1>just got to say it.

0:45:03.480 --> 0:45:06.440
<v Speaker 2>She like it was just a force of nature she

0:45:06.600 --> 0:45:08.880
<v Speaker 2>was before she ever got in. It's like she was

0:45:08.960 --> 0:45:11.319
<v Speaker 2>the known icon in New York.

0:45:11.400 --> 0:45:14.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah before she like were you tapped in

0:45:14.800 --> 0:45:15.920
<v Speaker 1>that kind of stuff before?

0:45:16.280 --> 0:45:18.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Because of the model, she knew who she was

0:45:18.800 --> 0:45:21.440
<v Speaker 2>and you know, like for me in New York, especially

0:45:21.440 --> 0:45:24.120
<v Speaker 2>at that time, like it's more hegemonized now. Ye. At

0:45:24.120 --> 0:45:30.000
<v Speaker 2>that time, New York was this vibrant, be who you

0:45:30.040 --> 0:45:35.280
<v Speaker 2>are location. Like I landed in my first like days

0:45:35.280 --> 0:45:38.400
<v Speaker 2>in New York and I was like, you can be

0:45:38.480 --> 0:45:42.000
<v Speaker 2>whoever you want to be here and it's okay. Definitely,

0:45:42.239 --> 0:45:44.799
<v Speaker 2>Like I used to love that about New York because

0:45:44.960 --> 0:45:48.319
<v Speaker 2>the different echelons of people that would intermingle.

0:45:48.640 --> 0:45:50.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, so she.

0:45:50.480 --> 0:45:53.080
<v Speaker 2>Would be Yeah, I mean I've seen pat out like

0:45:53.239 --> 0:45:56.279
<v Speaker 2>you know, things like CBGB's she was. Yeah, she was

0:45:56.280 --> 0:45:57.400
<v Speaker 2>a wild child.

0:45:57.239 --> 0:45:59.920
<v Speaker 1>She was a you were out there too.

0:46:00.239 --> 0:46:01.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well I was supposed to be. I was in

0:46:01.960 --> 0:46:02.840
<v Speaker 2>my early twenties.

0:46:02.920 --> 0:46:06.000
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, I never think of you that way.

0:46:06.320 --> 0:46:09.040
<v Speaker 1>I mean I was so like fuddy Duddy by that

0:46:09.040 --> 0:46:12.000
<v Speaker 1>point because I was sober, so I wasn't necessarily always.

0:46:11.760 --> 0:46:13.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah right time I was. You know, I was like

0:46:14.040 --> 0:46:17.480
<v Speaker 2>thirty something when I got hired on. Oh yeah I was.

0:46:17.520 --> 0:46:20.640
<v Speaker 1>I was a dealer, so young, I mean, didn't we

0:46:20.680 --> 0:46:26.120
<v Speaker 1>all let's discuss again, let's discuss. So you come, You're like, whoa,

0:46:26.160 --> 0:46:30.040
<v Speaker 1>this is a lot, right, and you're thrown in And

0:46:30.080 --> 0:46:32.520
<v Speaker 1>then what was it like when your first episode aired?

0:46:36.400 --> 0:46:38.680
<v Speaker 2>It was interesting because you know, I was still young

0:46:38.800 --> 0:46:42.960
<v Speaker 2>enough that I think I definitely got a little carried

0:46:43.000 --> 0:46:46.960
<v Speaker 2>away with self. You did, Yeah, not like arrogant and weird,

0:46:47.000 --> 0:46:49.279
<v Speaker 2>but like was going out and like, let's do all

0:46:49.320 --> 0:46:53.680
<v Speaker 2>the things that I mean, Yeah, I was one of

0:46:53.719 --> 0:46:58.480
<v Speaker 2>my best lessons. I over played my hand and burned

0:46:58.480 --> 0:47:00.800
<v Speaker 2>the candle at both ends and came a little unprepared

0:47:00.840 --> 0:47:07.600
<v Speaker 2>to say, oh yeah, let me knowes I.

0:47:07.680 --> 0:47:10.120
<v Speaker 1>Was rought it And what did he say?

0:47:10.360 --> 0:47:13.120
<v Speaker 2>He let me know? That I should never do that again.

0:47:14.960 --> 0:47:17.200
<v Speaker 2>It was great. It was really good because it uh,

0:47:17.400 --> 0:47:19.080
<v Speaker 2>you know, it was like, yeah, you're here to do

0:47:19.160 --> 0:47:23.239
<v Speaker 2>a job. Yeah, you're not here to ground and play. Yeah,

0:47:23.239 --> 0:47:25.520
<v Speaker 2>and so the ground and the play is great. But

0:47:26.640 --> 0:47:29.160
<v Speaker 2>and so, you know, the first when it first came out,

0:47:29.239 --> 0:47:32.200
<v Speaker 2>like I definitely I think it's got a little excited,

0:47:32.880 --> 0:47:35.880
<v Speaker 2>well really so yeah, but then very much, you know,

0:47:36.600 --> 0:47:39.320
<v Speaker 2>I realized what a wonderful opportunity and this is something

0:47:39.360 --> 0:47:41.359
<v Speaker 2>I love doing, and you know, that was far more

0:47:41.360 --> 0:47:52.840
<v Speaker 2>important than some party.

0:47:54.440 --> 0:47:56.960
<v Speaker 1>So okay, so you're in New York it comes out,

0:47:57.520 --> 0:48:00.400
<v Speaker 1>is the response positive? Like oh yeah, okay, got it.

0:48:00.280 --> 0:48:02.400
<v Speaker 2>It was really also, you know, I mean, look at me.

0:48:02.520 --> 0:48:08.680
<v Speaker 2>I looked like sort of an atypical male figure from

0:48:09.000 --> 0:48:14.640
<v Speaker 2>the high school bully or whatever. I mean, I had

0:48:14.640 --> 0:48:17.839
<v Speaker 2>a certain reaction to how to say this, Lesbians liked

0:48:17.840 --> 0:48:19.839
<v Speaker 2>me a lot more after Sex and the City came out.

0:48:21.760 --> 0:48:25.520
<v Speaker 1>Lesbians specifically, Okay, well I never had a problem with

0:48:25.560 --> 0:48:28.560
<v Speaker 1>the gay community, but I looked like that guy. Oh

0:48:28.600 --> 0:48:31.400
<v Speaker 1>you mean, people like projected onto you got.

0:48:31.320 --> 0:48:34.680
<v Speaker 2>Rejected an idea of who I was supposed to be

0:48:35.000 --> 0:48:36.239
<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden, you know.

0:48:36.280 --> 0:48:38.080
<v Speaker 1>Like it looked like the bully. Is that what you're

0:48:38.080 --> 0:48:38.879
<v Speaker 1>trying to tell me.

0:48:39.080 --> 0:48:42.359
<v Speaker 2>The bully or the guy who put himself like in

0:48:42.400 --> 0:48:43.400
<v Speaker 2>the cool pocket.

0:48:43.640 --> 0:48:46.080
<v Speaker 1>Yes, you did look very cool, very.

0:48:45.920 --> 0:48:48.480
<v Speaker 2>Cool, and that wasn't my you know how I heard

0:48:48.560 --> 0:48:53.919
<v Speaker 2>myself And I remember there was a tangible shift because

0:48:53.920 --> 0:48:55.759
<v Speaker 2>I was still going out and you know there's the

0:48:55.920 --> 0:48:57.759
<v Speaker 2>art scene in the music scene in New York at

0:48:57.800 --> 0:49:00.920
<v Speaker 2>that time was so vibrant, and I was like, oh wow,

0:49:01.080 --> 0:49:06.600
<v Speaker 2>like I'm one known now, right, there's nothing anonymous about

0:49:06.600 --> 0:49:08.880
<v Speaker 2>me in New York because this is New York show, right.

0:49:09.400 --> 0:49:11.680
<v Speaker 2>But also it shifted that perception that.

0:49:11.680 --> 0:49:13.040
<v Speaker 1>I was that guy cool.

0:49:13.239 --> 0:49:15.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's good. I was super positive.

0:49:15.200 --> 0:49:18.320
<v Speaker 1>That's really really nice. I like that. I mean because

0:49:19.280 --> 0:49:21.959
<v Speaker 1>I feel like what I really loved and hadn't really

0:49:22.000 --> 0:49:26.520
<v Speaker 1>remembered about your very very first episode, the way that

0:49:26.640 --> 0:49:30.440
<v Speaker 1>you are within what they wrote, right, like they wrote

0:49:30.600 --> 0:49:34.480
<v Speaker 1>it's cool how they kind of you're like a woman,

0:49:34.760 --> 0:49:39.280
<v Speaker 1>like a desirable woman. Yes, in a way, right, definitely,

0:49:39.360 --> 0:49:40.960
<v Speaker 1>Like all those girls are there and they all want

0:49:40.960 --> 0:49:42.840
<v Speaker 1>to go home with you, and it's like a showdown

0:49:42.840 --> 0:49:46.000
<v Speaker 1>between Samantha and this other girl and they'reing their tops

0:49:46.040 --> 0:49:48.200
<v Speaker 1>and whatever. It's kind of crazy. I'd forgotten all of that.

0:49:48.760 --> 0:49:52.200
<v Speaker 2>And then they're doing that swing dick energy.

0:49:52.160 --> 0:49:54.840
<v Speaker 1>Big time, big time, big time, but with some like

0:49:54.880 --> 0:49:56.680
<v Speaker 1>you had a twinkle in your eye from the get

0:49:56.760 --> 0:49:59.360
<v Speaker 1>go right like that you were in on the game,

0:49:59.480 --> 0:50:02.440
<v Speaker 1>or that you you were gonna kind of undercut it,

0:50:02.560 --> 0:50:06.880
<v Speaker 1>or that you know, like there was something counter counter

0:50:07.040 --> 0:50:11.040
<v Speaker 1>to what you know, like underneath it from immediately, which

0:50:11.080 --> 0:50:15.799
<v Speaker 1>I hadn't remembered and was impressive, and then you I

0:50:15.840 --> 0:50:17.759
<v Speaker 1>can't remember the first one because then, like I said,

0:50:17.760 --> 0:50:19.160
<v Speaker 1>I fell down the hole and I had to watch

0:50:19.160 --> 0:50:22.520
<v Speaker 1>a lot. But you you go home and you say

0:50:22.719 --> 0:50:25.279
<v Speaker 1>you oh, and you go like you know, you didn't

0:50:25.320 --> 0:50:26.759
<v Speaker 1>have to come back and do all this. I was

0:50:26.800 --> 0:50:28.719
<v Speaker 1>ready to go home. We did, like they were just

0:50:29.000 --> 0:50:34.000
<v Speaker 1>very cut, cut the nonsense to the fun and then

0:50:34.120 --> 0:50:36.560
<v Speaker 1>like to watch how it went after that, like you

0:50:36.600 --> 0:50:38.400
<v Speaker 1>do this crazy thing with the role playing in the

0:50:38.440 --> 0:50:42.120
<v Speaker 1>crazy sex acrobatics insanity that I had also fully forgotten about.

0:50:42.320 --> 0:50:45.000
<v Speaker 1>And then you try to kept you start trying to

0:50:45.520 --> 0:50:47.359
<v Speaker 1>get to the real thing with her, like you tell

0:50:47.360 --> 0:50:49.279
<v Speaker 1>her your name and then you're like, you don't know

0:50:49.320 --> 0:50:52.439
<v Speaker 1>my name because she's calling you mister, mister Hansom or something.

0:50:52.440 --> 0:50:56.080
<v Speaker 1>What's she calling you, mister something like mister sexy And

0:50:56.120 --> 0:50:57.560
<v Speaker 1>you're like, yeah, you don't know my name, do you?

0:50:57.680 --> 0:51:01.560
<v Speaker 1>Like you're just cutting away from nonsense with her, but

0:51:01.680 --> 0:51:03.439
<v Speaker 1>in such a likable way. Yeah.

0:51:03.680 --> 0:51:06.920
<v Speaker 2>Again, when you hand a good writing, it's easy to act.

0:51:07.120 --> 0:51:09.400
<v Speaker 2>I mean not easy, no, no, but you have but

0:51:10.880 --> 0:51:14.719
<v Speaker 2>you don't have to invent it. You find it's I mean,

0:51:14.800 --> 0:51:17.920
<v Speaker 2>they never played hard on it, but that's what his

0:51:17.960 --> 0:51:21.799
<v Speaker 2>whole sober thing is. So the way I saw the characters,

0:51:22.000 --> 0:51:26.759
<v Speaker 2>or see the characters in retrospective is here is this

0:51:28.080 --> 0:51:32.400
<v Speaker 2>woman who, in some respects I'm going to borrow a

0:51:32.480 --> 0:51:36.440
<v Speaker 2>term from Brene is foreboding joy like, rather than allow

0:51:36.520 --> 0:51:40.960
<v Speaker 2>herself to fill anything for people, I'm just going to

0:51:41.040 --> 0:51:46.279
<v Speaker 2>have the fun. I'm going to keep it detached and that.

0:51:46.480 --> 0:51:51.600
<v Speaker 2>But there's a certain lack of full experience for doing that. Yeah.

0:51:51.960 --> 0:51:53.879
<v Speaker 2>And then you have this guy who comes in who

0:51:53.920 --> 0:51:56.879
<v Speaker 2>can be completely comfortable and accepting it. And I think

0:51:56.920 --> 0:51:59.480
<v Speaker 2>that that was, you know, like with the alcoholism, what

0:52:00.200 --> 0:52:03.359
<v Speaker 2>it was somebody who had found comfort and self But

0:52:03.480 --> 0:52:07.040
<v Speaker 2>like any good, really good writing, I think that's also

0:52:07.440 --> 0:52:11.279
<v Speaker 2>you know, what she offered him is like ambition. You're great.

0:52:11.400 --> 0:52:15.640
<v Speaker 2>It's good to be comfortable, right and accepting, but it's

0:52:15.680 --> 0:52:19.280
<v Speaker 2>also okay to want more. And on her side of it,

0:52:19.280 --> 0:52:21.960
<v Speaker 2>it's like, you know, it's okay to let the world

0:52:22.040 --> 0:52:22.520
<v Speaker 2>touch you.

0:52:23.239 --> 0:52:28.120
<v Speaker 1>Oh interesting, So I don't think what good writing? Oh

0:52:28.120 --> 0:52:32.160
<v Speaker 1>my god, he was really god really good, I know.

0:52:32.600 --> 0:52:36.000
<v Speaker 1>But also like you got the really good stuff, you

0:52:36.040 --> 0:52:37.520
<v Speaker 1>know what I mean, like some of the other guys

0:52:37.520 --> 0:52:38.920
<v Speaker 1>didn't get the really good stuff.

0:52:39.120 --> 0:52:42.239
<v Speaker 2>Have no offense, no, I mean every character in the

0:52:42.320 --> 0:52:44.879
<v Speaker 2>story is absolutely yes.

0:52:45.000 --> 0:52:48.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And it's nothing against the actor, no, no, no, no,

0:52:48.680 --> 0:52:51.719
<v Speaker 1>it's so joy if you grab it. Yes, And did

0:52:51.760 --> 0:52:54.440
<v Speaker 1>you know at the time, like, what were your thoughts

0:52:54.480 --> 0:52:56.879
<v Speaker 1>at the time, did you just think, like, wow, I'm

0:52:56.880 --> 0:52:59.520
<v Speaker 1>so lucky and thankful that I happened to be.

0:52:59.520 --> 0:53:02.359
<v Speaker 2>In this super well, I think, you know, that's one thing.

0:53:02.400 --> 0:53:06.680
<v Speaker 2>I've always been fortunate. I've had a very developed sense

0:53:06.680 --> 0:53:10.360
<v Speaker 2>of gratitude, and so yeah, I knew from the go

0:53:10.600 --> 0:53:13.359
<v Speaker 2>that it was a gift, even if it was for

0:53:13.480 --> 0:53:16.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, you asked earlier. If it had just been

0:53:16.440 --> 0:53:18.040
<v Speaker 2>the short run, it would have been a gift. I

0:53:18.120 --> 0:53:20.839
<v Speaker 2>had no idea that it would continue and expand like that.

0:53:21.640 --> 0:53:23.439
<v Speaker 1>Okay, can we just talk for a second too, because

0:53:23.440 --> 0:53:28.960
<v Speaker 1>you're in both movies. That's so funny somehow not remember

0:53:28.960 --> 0:53:31.479
<v Speaker 1>that though. When I think about Morocco, I remember you there.

0:53:31.840 --> 0:53:34.920
<v Speaker 2>I remember being in Morocco because I got sick.

0:53:34.719 --> 0:53:38.080
<v Speaker 1>And I got sick. Did you know that I got sick?

0:53:38.520 --> 0:53:42.480
<v Speaker 1>I got we got the crazy thing, you guys, it's

0:53:42.640 --> 0:53:44.759
<v Speaker 1>well documented. I don't need to go into detail. What

0:53:44.840 --> 0:53:47.359
<v Speaker 1>can I also tell you? I believe that we got

0:53:47.400 --> 0:53:50.080
<v Speaker 1>it from the sand. And I talked to Dwayne Johnson

0:53:50.080 --> 0:53:52.200
<v Speaker 1>about this because Dwyne Johnson, when he played The Mummy,

0:53:52.239 --> 0:53:56.280
<v Speaker 1>got it and told crazy stories that I totally related

0:53:56.320 --> 0:53:58.960
<v Speaker 1>to about getting the thing that you can get in Morocco,

0:53:59.000 --> 0:54:00.640
<v Speaker 1>which is like montaz was revenge.

0:54:00.640 --> 0:54:05.040
<v Speaker 2>Oh it's worse, It's insane. Yeah, it knocked me antibiotics.

0:54:05.040 --> 0:54:07.319
<v Speaker 1>And I remember you me too. I remember you in

0:54:07.360 --> 0:54:10.800
<v Speaker 1>the car when we had to go from I.

0:54:10.680 --> 0:54:14.920
<v Speaker 2>Guess drive was I got lucky because we went out

0:54:14.960 --> 0:54:17.520
<v Speaker 2>to the golden dunes like on the border.

0:54:17.200 --> 0:54:19.760
<v Speaker 1>Of Algeria, the edge of the Sahara.

0:54:19.760 --> 0:54:23.280
<v Speaker 2>Flown on a plane and then had to drive forever.

0:54:23.160 --> 0:54:25.320
<v Speaker 1>Right, and we were in the same car. You remember

0:54:25.719 --> 0:54:26.279
<v Speaker 1>you were in the front.

0:54:26.600 --> 0:54:28.879
<v Speaker 2>I was starting to melt down, and I got really

0:54:28.960 --> 0:54:31.279
<v Speaker 2>lucky because I didn't have to shoot the first couple

0:54:31.320 --> 0:54:31.720
<v Speaker 2>of days.

0:54:32.000 --> 0:54:32.840
<v Speaker 1>And you disappeared.

0:54:32.840 --> 0:54:33.680
<v Speaker 2>You didn't know where you were.

0:54:33.760 --> 0:54:35.799
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't move right, we didn't know where you were.

0:54:35.800 --> 0:54:40.560
<v Speaker 2>You were, I could move, but I had understand.

0:54:40.160 --> 0:54:42.359
<v Speaker 1>I totally understand this crazy thing happened with you guys.

0:54:42.480 --> 0:54:44.880
<v Speaker 1>It didn't happen to everybody, but it happened no Jason.

0:54:45.040 --> 0:54:49.640
<v Speaker 1>How so wait we flew. We were in Marrakesh before

0:54:49.680 --> 0:54:52.000
<v Speaker 1>we drew drove right, Like, where do you think you got?

0:54:52.120 --> 0:54:54.239
<v Speaker 1>Do you have any plant idea in your mind? Like?

0:54:54.280 --> 0:54:56.360
<v Speaker 1>How did you get it? Were you in the sand

0:54:56.400 --> 0:54:57.719
<v Speaker 1>at all before we drove.

0:54:58.600 --> 0:55:02.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm an adventurous eaters, so I thought, oh, maybe I

0:55:02.560 --> 0:55:05.200
<v Speaker 2>got it because I'm not because I went to the

0:55:05.239 --> 0:55:09.439
<v Speaker 2>markets and I spoke, Yeah, I spoke to the souk. Yeah,

0:55:09.960 --> 0:55:11.920
<v Speaker 2>well I went to the I didn't go to the

0:55:11.960 --> 0:55:12.640
<v Speaker 2>tourist one.

0:55:12.920 --> 0:55:14.880
<v Speaker 1>You didn't go to the tourist one. Okay.

0:55:15.440 --> 0:55:17.680
<v Speaker 2>At the time, like I said, I had pretty good French,

0:55:17.719 --> 0:55:20.239
<v Speaker 2>and so I went to the concierge and I asked, like,

0:55:20.560 --> 0:55:23.200
<v Speaker 2>you know, where should I go? And I could hear

0:55:23.560 --> 0:55:25.600
<v Speaker 2>in the discussion, so I went out to the taxi

0:55:25.640 --> 0:55:29.400
<v Speaker 2>line and I heard them talking, and I basically because

0:55:29.520 --> 0:55:31.200
<v Speaker 2>I didn't let them in on the fact that I

0:55:31.280 --> 0:55:34.400
<v Speaker 2>understood them right, but basically, since I already had a

0:55:34.600 --> 0:55:37.920
<v Speaker 2>destination in mind, I wasn't going to go to the

0:55:37.920 --> 0:55:39.560
<v Speaker 2>place where they'd get their kick back.

0:55:40.400 --> 0:55:41.440
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, it's a whole thing.

0:55:41.600 --> 0:55:43.560
<v Speaker 2>So I got tossed to the low man on the

0:55:43.600 --> 0:55:45.440
<v Speaker 2>totem pole and when I got in his car, I

0:55:45.480 --> 0:55:47.719
<v Speaker 2>was like, hey, look man, I understood everything you guys

0:55:47.719 --> 0:55:51.600
<v Speaker 2>were just talking about. So I'll tell you what how

0:55:51.680 --> 0:55:54.360
<v Speaker 2>much you want for a day rate? And he's like

0:55:55.280 --> 0:55:57.040
<v Speaker 2>and at the time they exchanged it was something like

0:55:57.040 --> 0:56:00.839
<v Speaker 2>one hundred dollars, and I was like, I'll give you

0:56:00.920 --> 0:56:03.839
<v Speaker 2>that for the next four hours if you stop and me.

0:56:04.960 --> 0:56:06.640
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to go where you take all the

0:56:06.719 --> 0:56:08.399
<v Speaker 2>tourists and you go. I want to go where your

0:56:08.400 --> 0:56:11.440
<v Speaker 2>family shops. Wow, I want to go where you have lunch.

0:56:20.640 --> 0:56:23.239
<v Speaker 1>Big time, big time. I mean, okay, So then we

0:56:23.440 --> 0:56:27.480
<v Speaker 1>drive off to the Timbuctoo area right where we filmed.

0:56:27.600 --> 0:56:28.799
<v Speaker 2>This is incredible.

0:56:28.920 --> 0:56:31.360
<v Speaker 1>It was incredible. Do you remember that place we stayed.

0:56:31.400 --> 0:56:34.239
<v Speaker 1>It was like an old fortress, so it was really.

0:56:34.040 --> 0:56:38.600
<v Speaker 2>Neat so beautiful gold dunes really were why.

0:56:39.520 --> 0:56:40.840
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I don't know.

0:56:40.960 --> 0:56:44.360
<v Speaker 2>I never sleep that well anyway, stays the most incredible

0:56:44.400 --> 0:56:45.240
<v Speaker 2>stars I've ever.

0:56:45.120 --> 0:56:47.200
<v Speaker 1>Seen, Right, I was up on the top of that

0:56:47.239 --> 0:56:50.279
<v Speaker 1>building looking at the stars, like not sleeping at all.

0:56:50.520 --> 0:56:53.200
<v Speaker 1>Had a full meltdown the next day in the in

0:56:53.239 --> 0:56:56.040
<v Speaker 1>the scene which Michael and I discussed, I yelled at

0:56:56.080 --> 0:56:57.880
<v Speaker 1>Michael one of the few times in my life that

0:56:57.880 --> 0:57:00.439
<v Speaker 1>I've yelled at Michael. After this so I don't remember.

0:57:00.480 --> 0:57:02.759
<v Speaker 1>I have to fall off the camel and everything. It

0:57:02.800 --> 0:57:04.560
<v Speaker 1>was really hard, and I hadn't slept, and I was

0:57:04.600 --> 0:57:06.919
<v Speaker 1>just like my mind. Yeah, I was losing my mind,

0:57:06.960 --> 0:57:08.640
<v Speaker 1>and I think I was fighting the thing that I

0:57:08.719 --> 0:57:10.520
<v Speaker 1>ended up getting, but I didn't know it yet, right,

0:57:10.560 --> 0:57:12.520
<v Speaker 1>So I was like off and I got mad at

0:57:12.600 --> 0:57:15.360
<v Speaker 1>him because he never said anything positive when I was

0:57:15.360 --> 0:57:18.280
<v Speaker 1>falling off the camel. I had to fall off over

0:57:18.360 --> 0:57:20.880
<v Speaker 1>and over and over. And he was walking talking because

0:57:20.920 --> 0:57:23.120
<v Speaker 1>he couldn't walk across the sandus tacos, and he kept

0:57:23.160 --> 0:57:25.840
<v Speaker 1>telling Cynthia, who was just sitting there on the camel

0:57:25.960 --> 0:57:27.960
<v Speaker 1>right like we were sharing the camel, she didn't have

0:57:28.000 --> 0:57:29.800
<v Speaker 1>to do anything. And he kept telling her what a

0:57:29.800 --> 0:57:32.440
<v Speaker 1>great job she was doing. And I was like, is

0:57:32.440 --> 0:57:38.440
<v Speaker 1>he ever gonna tell me that I ever ever, never did?

0:57:37.960 --> 0:57:42.200
<v Speaker 1>And yes I did, he said, stomped down the thing.

0:57:42.240 --> 0:57:46.120
<v Speaker 1>And I yelled at him and he said, I don't

0:57:46.120 --> 0:57:48.080
<v Speaker 1>know what he said. He said something that I thought

0:57:48.160 --> 0:57:50.000
<v Speaker 1>was lame. And then I yelled somewhere and then I

0:57:50.040 --> 0:57:52.000
<v Speaker 1>started crying, which I always do or if I get

0:57:52.000 --> 0:57:54.360
<v Speaker 1>that mad. And then I cried all my makeup off,

0:57:54.360 --> 0:57:56.200
<v Speaker 1>and then it was a drama because I made everybody

0:57:56.240 --> 0:57:59.520
<v Speaker 1>wait really bad. It was like the only time I know.

0:58:00.160 --> 0:58:02.680
<v Speaker 1>I mean, also, we're like in the dunes, right, so

0:58:02.760 --> 0:58:05.680
<v Speaker 1>it's a day, you know what I'm saying, It's a day,

0:58:05.920 --> 0:58:07.640
<v Speaker 1>not a day for me to cry my makeup on.

0:58:09.160 --> 0:58:09.680
<v Speaker 2>It happens.

0:58:09.720 --> 0:58:13.400
<v Speaker 1>It was definitely a human say was he I don't

0:58:13.480 --> 0:58:15.480
<v Speaker 1>know what the heck he said? I think she's like,

0:58:15.520 --> 0:58:16.240
<v Speaker 1>what is wrong with you?

0:58:16.440 --> 0:58:19.720
<v Speaker 2>Was he doing? Like? No? Not at the time. Yeah,

0:58:19.880 --> 0:58:21.080
<v Speaker 2>did he have an answer for.

0:58:21.320 --> 0:58:23.720
<v Speaker 1>He never had an answer. I'm sure he was doing something.

0:58:24.760 --> 0:58:25.560
<v Speaker 1>He always had a way.

0:58:25.560 --> 0:58:31.240
<v Speaker 2>You were supposed to be in distress, so maybe maybe Skillet.

0:58:31.400 --> 0:58:33.760
<v Speaker 1>I mean, honestly, I have never gotten to the bottom

0:58:33.760 --> 0:58:36.240
<v Speaker 1>of it. You know what I mean like I brought it,

0:58:36.360 --> 0:58:38.600
<v Speaker 1>brought it up. He brought it up actually, and he

0:58:38.760 --> 0:58:42.439
<v Speaker 1>was like, you know, and you come stopping down, big man,

0:58:42.600 --> 0:58:44.360
<v Speaker 1>big man. I was like, I was big man. I

0:58:44.440 --> 0:58:45.680
<v Speaker 1>really was big man.

0:58:49.040 --> 0:58:49.600
<v Speaker 2>Big man.

0:58:49.800 --> 0:58:52.040
<v Speaker 1>You know, it was it was how I was feeling,

0:58:52.080 --> 0:58:55.320
<v Speaker 1>which is rare, very very rare, and very rare that

0:58:55.360 --> 0:58:57.960
<v Speaker 1>I would as stressful.

0:58:58.520 --> 0:59:01.080
<v Speaker 2>I mean for me it was easy pie because I

0:59:01.080 --> 0:59:05.480
<v Speaker 2>had so little responsibility on that. But you know that

0:59:05.760 --> 0:59:08.360
<v Speaker 2>was I think a stressful thing for him though, too,

0:59:08.600 --> 0:59:12.040
<v Speaker 2>and for you because you know the first one, less

0:59:12.080 --> 0:59:17.120
<v Speaker 2>of the burden was upon him. That one. It was

0:59:17.160 --> 0:59:18.439
<v Speaker 2>all on it, all on him.

0:59:18.680 --> 0:59:21.480
<v Speaker 1>He wrote it, he directed it. It was a big budget,

0:59:21.800 --> 0:59:24.640
<v Speaker 1>the first one, too big deal. No one thought we

0:59:24.640 --> 0:59:25.560
<v Speaker 1>were going to succeed.

0:59:25.720 --> 0:59:29.720
<v Speaker 2>And like you said, practically speaking, that was an exhausting

0:59:29.880 --> 0:59:33.760
<v Speaker 2>journey because it was like two days of travel, different

0:59:33.800 --> 0:59:40.480
<v Speaker 2>time zone, hard conditions. I people think that acting is such.

0:59:40.320 --> 0:59:44.640
<v Speaker 1>A glorious I know, I know, but in some ways

0:59:44.680 --> 0:59:47.200
<v Speaker 1>it really was so incredibly It's.

0:59:47.040 --> 0:59:49.520
<v Speaker 2>An incredible adventure. Yeah, but it can be.

0:59:49.480 --> 0:59:53.400
<v Speaker 1>Like you don't expect, you know what I mean, you

0:59:53.440 --> 0:59:57.320
<v Speaker 1>don't expect, like because you have to when you're acting.

0:59:57.640 --> 0:59:59.760
<v Speaker 1>You know, between action and cut you have to be

0:59:59.800 --> 1:00:02.680
<v Speaker 1>a hundred and ten percent one hundred and fifty percent.

1:00:02.960 --> 1:00:05.440
<v Speaker 1>So if your body isn't with you one hundred percent,

1:00:05.480 --> 1:00:08.120
<v Speaker 1>it's really really hard. It's really really hard, and I

1:00:08.120 --> 1:00:11.120
<v Speaker 1>don't think any of us were. You know, it was

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<v Speaker 1>hard to be one hundred percent, but it was also

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<v Speaker 1>like incredible.

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<v Speaker 2>You mean, in the middle of a desert in the seat.

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<v Speaker 1>It's hard. I exhausted, totally, totally, but it was like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just so thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>How many times had you written a camel before?

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<v Speaker 1>I had never written a camel, but I had traveled

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<v Speaker 1>a lot, you know what I mean. I was into

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<v Speaker 1>the travel part with the camel, but we had a

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<v Speaker 1>really sweet camel. But I had to fall off the

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<v Speaker 1>camel and no one spoke English. So I was falling

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<v Speaker 1>off onto this mattress, but no one holding the mattress

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<v Speaker 1>spoke English. They spoke Arabic and French. So remember how

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<v Speaker 1>they would have to give all the directions in all

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<v Speaker 1>the different languages. It was a lot. What did you

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<v Speaker 1>do in the first film, because I can't the films

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<v Speaker 1>are like in a different mind compartment.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was easy because that was in Malibu.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, yeah, of course you were in Malibu. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>that's great. What did you think of the films? Were

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<v Speaker 1>you like this is incredible or were you like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm tired of doing this.

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<v Speaker 2>No, not at all. I mean, you know, look again,

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<v Speaker 2>like I said, I'm fortunate that I've always had a

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<v Speaker 2>sense of gratitude, and I think life is richer with one. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>certainly your joy follows gratitude. I didn't make that up, absolutely,

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<v Speaker 2>and so I've always just been very very appreciative that

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<v Speaker 2>I was included at all, because you didn't have to

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<v Speaker 2>be right. Yeah, again, I truly believe the men were

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<v Speaker 2>spokes to the hub. Like that show was not about

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<v Speaker 2>the relateationships ultimately, it was about the at least the

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<v Speaker 2>romantic relationships. It was about the friendships and the growth

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<v Speaker 2>of the four girls, I think, and so yeah, of course,

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<v Speaker 2>but the but they were, like the outside relationships were

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<v Speaker 2>the crucible through which the development of the individual friendships

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<v Speaker 2>and the women's their characters. Yeah yeah, yeah, And so

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<v Speaker 2>it's not that I'm not saying they were superfluous or

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<v Speaker 2>useless in any way. Yeah, but they were the catalyzers

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<v Speaker 2>for the chemistry.

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<v Speaker 1>Definitely, definitely, And I think you know, I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>at the end of the show where Carrie's voiceover says

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<v Speaker 1>something about how you know, everything is just really about

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<v Speaker 1>your relationship with yourself and learning to love yourself. Absolutely,

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<v Speaker 1>that would have been all like our friendship, but also

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<v Speaker 1>all these other.

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<v Speaker 2>Relationships, and certainly that was her character's challenge, like the

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<v Speaker 2>inability to make that healthy samee choice, you know, like

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<v Speaker 2>let's keep going for mister big exciting, going to burn

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<v Speaker 2>your hand on the stove guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I know, it's so funny to rewatch mister big Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Have a lot of strong feelings, but I'm somewhat feeling

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<v Speaker 1>better now because he's now moved to NAPA. When you

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<v Speaker 1>cut you know this group that I watched last night,

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<v Speaker 1>he's in Napa and they have this weird phone sex situation, right,

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<v Speaker 1>did you do you remember this? Because she's dating Burger

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<v Speaker 1>but they so he calls her and he's all like,

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<v Speaker 1>mister smooth, you know how he is, and do you

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<v Speaker 1>remember when we did this? And do you remember when

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<v Speaker 1>we did that? And she's just like, I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>what to do, she says to the girls, and then

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<v Speaker 1>she calls back and she says, hey, you know we

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<v Speaker 1>need to just be friends and not do that because

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<v Speaker 1>I'm seeing someone know, and it just got serious, and

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<v Speaker 1>she's very mature in that moment, I'm like, oh, thank god, Carrie,

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<v Speaker 1>thank god. And then he you can see that he's hurt,

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<v Speaker 1>like he he's developed. Also, we don't get to see

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<v Speaker 1>his development, right, we just see how all.

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<v Speaker 2>The characters written with a sense of that it's true.

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<v Speaker 1>And I also think, like when I look at the

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<v Speaker 1>writing and then I look at what Chris was doing,

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<v Speaker 1>he was bringing depth to it. Also. I mean I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure Michael Patrick wanted that right or wouldn't be there,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, but like he's bringing it and you're like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>thank god, mister Big is like a little bit better now, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, because we have a future that we need to,

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<v Speaker 1>you know whatever, invest in you know, with them. But

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's it's interesting because it was a different time,

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<v Speaker 1>as you've said a few different different times, and like

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of being a man back then, right, a

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<v Speaker 1>man who's out and about, you're traveling the world, you're

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<v Speaker 1>in New York. Do you remember how different dating was?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, you know, our generation grew up with

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<v Speaker 2>some of the just stupidest stereotypical ideas of how we

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<v Speaker 2>are supposed to behave. You know, boys don't cry there.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, these white knights shanning armor and they go

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<v Speaker 2>in to save women. Like what an insult to women?

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<v Speaker 2>I agree, But then you'd find a lot of that.

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<v Speaker 2>I always struggled with dating because you know, I never

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<v Speaker 2>really was a player because of these weird stereotypes. Abstainly, look,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm certainly not going to pretend that Jason Young, Jason, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember this funny, funny moment where I saw you at

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<v Speaker 1>a party. Do you remember this. I don't know, it's funny,

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<v Speaker 1>it's good. I saw you at a party, probably like

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<v Speaker 1>an Oscar party type of a thing, one of those

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<v Speaker 1>big ones, right, and I was so happy to see

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't I don't think it was that long. I

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<v Speaker 1>think the show was over. I don't think it was

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<v Speaker 1>a long time. Maybe the movies were happening, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>And we were just chatting high, you know whatever. I

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<v Speaker 1>hadn't seen you in a bit, and we were like

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<v Speaker 1>walking somewhere and you were like, oh no, And I

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<v Speaker 1>said what you were like.

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<v Speaker 2>Just keep walking with me, And I was like okay.

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<v Speaker 1>You were like to the right to the right, and

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, what what's going on? You were like

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<v Speaker 1>avoiding fording xes, avoiding excess to the left. I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>we're just in a minefield of exus. Now, I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be with Jason. I'm just going to be here

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<v Speaker 1>for Jason. So, I mean, there.

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<v Speaker 2>Seem to be aist history.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe possibly just a little And I was like, whoa,

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<v Speaker 1>he's busy. And there were some lovely ladies I might add, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>oh yes, I'm sure you know who I'm talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>We're not going to bring that.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to say any names, of course, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't do that on this podcast. But I was like, wow,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm behind on what's going on, but I want to

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<v Speaker 1>protect Jason. Thank you. I'm there for you, you know, Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I mean, look, I think that if anything, that's

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<v Speaker 2>one of the things I really like seeing what's happening

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<v Speaker 2>with the younger generations now, is there's more resources. Again,

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<v Speaker 2>you look at the writing of Sex and the City.

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<v Speaker 2>These things were being brought up in the public conversation

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<v Speaker 2>for the first time. Yeah, you know, people didn't talk

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<v Speaker 2>is freely and openly about emotions or relationship dynamics or

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<v Speaker 2>have the research. Yes, sex, yeah, I mean what do

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<v Speaker 2>we have. We had doctor Ruth.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, yeah, I mean bless her heart. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but she's yeah, so adorableable.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, it was like there wasn't a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of comfort for growth and conversation. And you know, again

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<v Speaker 2>something that that show gave gave a lot of conversation

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<v Speaker 2>at a lot of conversations. And also I think for men,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, that's one of the things that I've definitely

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<v Speaker 2>been surprised over the years. And it's funny because oftentimes

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<v Speaker 2>it'll be couch with my girlfriend made me watch it,

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<v Speaker 2>or my wife made me watch it. Yes, but a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of men resonated with that's nice.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I love it. Thank you, Jason. Than being with us,

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<v Speaker 1>that was fun, fun, fun,