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Speaker 1: It was called Druet Hills, my first and only screenplay.

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Speaker 2: African American woman comes out the front door, Ingrid James

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Speaker 1: Beak clear, nothing happened with Drewett Hills. I got as

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Speaker 1: say who, Well, okay, it was Fox. Imagine a room

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Speaker 1: Things went downhill from there. My name is Malcolm Gladwell.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to Revisionist History, my podcast about things overlooked

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Speaker 1: and misunderstood. This is part one of what will be

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Speaker 1: two bonus episodes for the holiday season. I'm going to

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Speaker 1: answer your listener questions, riff on things Revisionist History ish,

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Speaker 1: and tell random stories, including in part two, what about

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Speaker 1: my Dad, another about a famous rapper, and beginning in

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Speaker 1: an act of shameless self promotion, with the story of

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Speaker 1: my failed screenplay. We brought it to life with the

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Speaker 1: help of the Pushkin theatrical players. I promise the point

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Speaker 1: And finally, extra special things to Emory University Greg Friends, Rama, Amara,

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Speaker 2: can you tell me when the doctor gets here? Angela stops.

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Speaker 2: She turns to face Eden, and for a long tense moment,

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Speaker 2: their eyes lock.

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Speaker 9: They break into peals of laughter. You must get that lot,

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Speaker 9: not as much as you do.

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Speaker 2: Eden nods her head slowly.

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Speaker 3: How is Mike.

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Speaker 2: He drove to the supermarket last week and turned left

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Speaker 2: out the driveway instead of right. He's made that term

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Speaker 2: for forty years. It's time to take away its keys.

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Speaker 3: He's eighty four.

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Speaker 2: He's eighty four. Angela says nothing. She waits for Eden

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Speaker 2: to speak again. Why did you want me to come

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Speaker 2: in by myself? Doctor Bennett always had us come in together.

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Speaker 3: I know what doctor Cole did, but you're stuck with

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Speaker 3: me now. If Mike comes here, the optimologists will get

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Speaker 3: all worked up about his glyocoma, give him drops which

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Speaker 3: will irritate his eyes, even though he's ten years before

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Speaker 3: that becomes a problem. The cardiologists will tell him to

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Speaker 3: change his diet and eat things that he's hated his

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Speaker 3: entire life, and I'll diagnose him with early stage Alzheimer's,

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Speaker 3: which will turn him from a human being into a patient.

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Speaker 3: He's eighty four.

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Speaker 2: Eden is becoming emotional and trying her best to hide it.

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Speaker 2: Angela waits, lets her regain her composure.

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Speaker 3: Are the two of you happy eating nods? How are

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Speaker 3: the grandkids good?

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Speaker 2: Eating nods?

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Speaker 3: You don't need me, not yet.

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Speaker 2: She escorts Eden to the door, sits back down at

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Speaker 2: her desk, takes out an enormous ham sandwich in a

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Speaker 2: bag of potato chips, and painstakingly places the contents of

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Speaker 2: the bag, chip by chip between the two slices. Then

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Speaker 2: she takes out her cellphone, takes a picture of the

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Speaker 2: fortified sandwich and posts it to her Instagram