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Speaker 1: Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King.

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Speaker 1: I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your

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Speaker 1: favorite shows from the Real Housewives in Atlanta, New Jersey

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Speaker 1: and my own creation, The Love and Marriage Franchise and

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Speaker 1: Bell Collective. Every episode, we recap reality television from The

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Speaker 1: Real Housewives Franchise to The Bachelor or Selling Sunset, in

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Speaker 1: addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or

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Speaker 1: scripted as well.

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Speaker 2: Hey, rain jobs. On today's episode of Reality with the King,

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Speaker 2: we have to talk about I like to call this

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Speaker 2: the preseason finale to the OC Housewives, but it's kind

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Speaker 2: of making me said, if so, I'm like, wait, does

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Speaker 2: that mean it's about to be over?

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Speaker 3: With me?

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Speaker 4: An alexis recapping the show.

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Speaker 2: I've been having so much fun, Alexis, how are you all?

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Speaker 5: Hi? Honey? Good good?

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Speaker 3: It's yeah, it's not honey. It could be goodbye for now,

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Speaker 3: but not goodbye forever.

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Speaker 5: Okay.

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Speaker 2: Hey, And that makes me super happy because at the

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Speaker 2: end of the day, we have to get in to

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Speaker 2: this episode.

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Speaker 4: I have heard your name more.

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Speaker 2: Time to this episode in this season since last season

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Speaker 2: we on the show.

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Speaker 4: So let's just.

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Speaker 2: Get right into it as Alexis is shaking her head,

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Speaker 2: hit Head, Girls, Games and Days. All Right, So the

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Speaker 2: start of the episode begins where Emily is questioning the

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Speaker 2: sort of validity of Shannon's friendship with Jen, and she's

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Speaker 2: not quite sure if this friendship is genuine. As they're talking,

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Speaker 2: Emily does say like, look, Jin, you said that you're

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Speaker 2: not going to alexis wedding because Shanna told you not to,

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Speaker 2: which Jen denies, and I'm like, wait a second, Jen,

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Speaker 2: I have to go back to last week's epiod. So,

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Speaker 2: because you know, I'm a journalist, Hey, Portia, and in

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Speaker 2: last week's episode, I have the quote for you Alexis.

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Speaker 4: Jin said, and I quote I love you so Jen,

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Speaker 4: but I got to keep it a buck.

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Speaker 2: Jin said in last week's episode rain Drops, the last

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Speaker 2: time I was with Shannon, she asked me not to go.

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Speaker 4: Alexis. Where do we go from here?

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean I am a little choked up because

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Speaker 3: you know, I watched this about twelve hours ago, and

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Speaker 3: Jen and I have obviously been going back and forth.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to get into details of that. We

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Speaker 3: are trying to work through it, but what I will

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Speaker 3: say is that, like I said, last time we last

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Speaker 3: week when we did the podcast, you know, recapping Orange County.

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Speaker 3: For that episode, I said, I definitely know now what

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Speaker 3: was happening, and Jen tried to gaslight me and say,

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Speaker 3: why are you not inviting me?

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Speaker 5: Why are you on inviting me? This is weird?

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Speaker 3: Well, because I felt something was happening and now it's airing,

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Speaker 3: so I have a problem with that. But I also,

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Speaker 3: I know people are going to think I'm an idiot,

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Speaker 3: but I do have a compassion for what we do,

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Speaker 3: the craft of reality TV.

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Speaker 5: It's hard, So I.

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Speaker 3: Don't understand why Jen didn't have a backbone to say

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Speaker 3: to Shannon I'm going to my good friend's wedding, and

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Speaker 3: why Jen tried to act like we weren't talking when

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Speaker 5: But I also I just.

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Speaker 3: I'm I'm kind of muddled right now, honestly, Carlos, because

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Speaker 3: I've been dealing with this for the last twelve hours

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Speaker 3: I'm like, I've got to be able to process at all.

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Speaker 3: I do know in my heart that Jin and I

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Speaker 3: are going to be okay. We're going to figure it out,

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Speaker 3: because you can. It is possible to have hiccups in

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Speaker 3: this you know, TV world, but also to find a

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Speaker 3: way to figure it out together. I think it shows

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Speaker 3: Shannon's insecurities for trying to tell a friend who she

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Speaker 3: can and can't be friends with or go to a

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Speaker 3: But it also what I'm recognizing on watching these last

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Speaker 3: you have to be so genuine and so authentic on

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Speaker 3: a reality show, because if you're not, it will get caught.

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Speaker 5: It will.

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Speaker 2: And look, I had to go back and rewatched that

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Speaker 2: scene Alexis because I'm like, no, I could a swore

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Speaker 4: And that's why I had to read a burbadi.

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Speaker 2: She said the last time I OspA Shannon, she asked

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Speaker 2: me not to go, and then when she told Shannon

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Speaker 2: she wasn't going, Shannon said, thank you. You You're only

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Speaker 2: saying thank you as a request exactly.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: This is where this is where both Shannon and Jen

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Speaker 3: get caught being You're absolutely right. That's where Jin and

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Speaker 3: Shannon both get caught being playing in the playing for

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Speaker 3: That's where they both just got slapped. Okay, because Shannon's.

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Speaker 5: Going, oh no, I don't.

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Speaker 3: I don't demand any friend to not to to not

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Speaker 3: be friends with someone else. But then she says thank you,

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Speaker 3: and then she's also like, oh, I thought you weren't

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Speaker 3: friends with her, Like, if you don't really care, your

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Speaker 3: go that's on, Shannon.

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Speaker 3: Then there's Jen who's like, I never said that I

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Speaker 3: like Alexis, which she did. Honestly, Carlos, you have to

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Speaker 3: look back and watch. I watched it twice this time

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Speaker 3: because I had to go back because there was so

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Speaker 3: much for me to take in recognizing exactly what my

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Speaker 3: fears were last episode, that Jen had done that to

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Speaker 3: say I like Alexis. I have no issues with Alexis.

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Speaker 3: What she was discounting was how much we didn't really talk,

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Speaker 3: and we did, we did vent to each other, we

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Speaker 3: did have back and forth, and I don't want to

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Speaker 3: working through it. I am I'm not in a great

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Speaker 5: Sharing a lot of that, but it's a hard career.

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Speaker 3: And and Jen got caught because she said I am.

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Speaker 5: Friends with Alexes. I do like her. Okay, Shannon, I

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Speaker 5: won't go because of you.

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Speaker 3: That's that's saying two things that once which they don't

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Speaker 4: M hm m hmm. Now listen and listen.

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Speaker 2: I respect the fact that, look, at the end of

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Speaker 2: the day, you have a real friendship with Jen, and

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Speaker 2: you're really trying to preserve the friendship to where you

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Speaker 2: don't want to say too much.

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Speaker 4: And I and I do respect that.

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Speaker 2: What I will say as a viewer is this, It's

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Speaker 2: evident and highly obvious that Shannon does not want Jin

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Speaker 2: her side. She doesn't have camera. Emily and Gina have

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Speaker 2: each other. Heather rise the fence like she belongs on

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Speaker 4: That's that's how she does.

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Speaker 5: To me, belongs a tulipfield.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, exactly, And I'll get to that in a second.

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Speaker 2: But what was obvious to me is this again, you

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Speaker 2: don't have to say much, and I'm not going to

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Speaker 2: encourage you to because I do want you and Jen

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Speaker 2: to remain friends, and I love the fact that you

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Speaker 2: said you got to be fine.

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Speaker 4: What I will say I to view when that was

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Speaker 2: Jin downplayed how much she talks to you and what

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Speaker 2: you said to me last week, how the phone call stopped, those.

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Speaker 4: Two things started to make sense to me.

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Speaker 2: And that's why I tell people on these shows and

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Speaker 2: Alexis is correct. These shows are hard for these women

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Speaker 2: to be on and it is becoming an alliance.

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Speaker 4: And I'm not saying what Jen did is fucked up.

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Speaker 2: What I am saying is I wish Jen had enough

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Speaker 2: strength to be like, Look, I am friends with Alexis

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Speaker 2: and I do love her. What I can promise you

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Speaker 2: is this, I will not allow alex to.

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Speaker 4: Talk shit about you in front of me. And that

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Speaker 4: should be okay because one thing Jen.

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Speaker 2: Did say that I want you motherfuckers to talk about

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Speaker 2: Jen confirmed Alexis never talks about Shannon. So all of

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Speaker 2: is saying everytown talk to her, she never brings her up.

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Speaker 3: I don't bring her name up because she's she's a

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Speaker 3: non factor in my life.

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Speaker 5: She doesn't matter to me. And I want to go a.

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Speaker 3: Little bit further on this right now, since you did

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Speaker 5: But when she says to Jen.

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Speaker 3: What Alexis has done to me? Okay, Carlos, I want

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Speaker 5: Yeah? I don't think you that.

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Speaker 5: Okay, I want to deliver some news right now. Okay.

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Speaker 5: What Shannon doesn't understand is that I don't talk about her.

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Speaker 5: Did you hear how many times.

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Speaker 3: She brought up John's name or my name on this episode?

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Speaker 3: If she can't stop because she has no storyline and

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Speaker 3: I'm now married to the man that she obviously is

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Speaker 3: I'm not okay with is all the crap that she

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Speaker 5: Done to me?

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Speaker 3: Okay, bitch, yes, I am cussing on this one. Sorry

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Speaker 3: Billino kids, bitch, I ain't done shit to you. What

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Speaker 3: has happened is you were caught on video several times, no,

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Speaker 3: just once on the DUI night being a fucking monster.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, I'm over all of the what Alexis has

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Speaker 3: The only thing I did was stand up for my man,

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Speaker 5: The rest of my life. Yes, I did.

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Speaker 3: I supported him insuing the woman that owed him seventy

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Speaker 3: five thousand dollars, which she's like, I didn't owe him.

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Speaker 5: Well, guess what any.

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Speaker 3: Idiot that believes that she's not gonna bow down unless

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Speaker 3: she knows she's gonna lose in a lawsuit because we're

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Speaker 3: paying attorneys thirty thousand dollars for a lawsuit. Okay, she's

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Speaker 3: not gonna pay the thirty thousand to the attorneys to

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Speaker 3: fight this to find out she's not gonna win, and

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Speaker 3: then my husband wins the case because and gets the

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Speaker 3: money because they.

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Speaker 5: Knew she needed to pay what she owed. We had

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Speaker 5: the evidence.

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Speaker 3: I don't go on reality TV to lie, to deflect,

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Speaker 5: I live an authentic, true life. And so there you go.

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Speaker 3: Did you hit your head on the windshield, Carlos, Because

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Speaker 3: there you have it, there's the tea.

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Speaker 5: So basically, right now, I am done with all of it,

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Speaker 5: and everyone's right.

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Speaker 3: Bravo should have kept me on this season because my

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Speaker 5: I don't care. Fine, hate me?

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Speaker 2: That is you.

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Speaker 4: Family, alexas Dance and Ladies announcement.

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Speaker 2: This is reality with the King, and I'm Carlos King.

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Speaker 4: Let's get back into the show, Alexis.

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Speaker 2: Listen, I love Gretchen. Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit. I keep I

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Speaker 4: Do you know what I mean? Like, I study this shit,

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Speaker 4: And that's why I will say I do I want Gretchen.

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Speaker 5: I think there's a chance that she could be asked back.

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Speaker 3: If they ask her back, it's because they have more

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Speaker 5: But and my four businesses, so we're busy. Okay.

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Speaker 5: He is, And that's okay because you know.

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Speaker 3: Years you don't get called, you know, elderly or old

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Speaker 3: Why can Tamra move past something that happened twelve years

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Speaker 3: It's not going to be what happens with your neighbor

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Speaker 5: Because she said he's a dead beat dad. He's not

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Speaker 3: Mom, that's fine, hang your hat on that, but don't

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Speaker 3: is having that confliction of wait, I don't believe everything

439
00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:37,840
Speaker 3: that Slade's telling me.

440
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:38,760
Speaker 5: And I know I should.

441
00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:40,520
Speaker 3: I have to stand by my man, who's not my

442
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,520
Speaker 3: husband but my boyfriend or fiance of ten years. I

443
00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:46,080
Speaker 3: have to stand by him and listen to him. But

444
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:50,720
Speaker 3: yet you're not really like letting go and true Christians

445
00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:52,760
Speaker 3: let go. I let go of a lot of hurt

446
00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:55,080
Speaker 3: and pain from a lot of these women, and especially

447
00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,720
Speaker 3: last season, Carlos, I got my ass kicked and handed

448
00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:00,480
Speaker 3: to me on a silver platter as a bit heard

449
00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:04,840
Speaker 3: last season. Okay, and I am okay with it because

450
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,359
Speaker 3: it wasn't true what you saw, isn't all of the

451
00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:11,840
Speaker 3: reality of it all. But did I forgive and move on? Yeah,

452
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,399
Speaker 3: So Gretchen needs to. I think the best thing she

453
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:16,439
Speaker 3: can do, Carlos is.

454
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:20,800
Speaker 2: That no, listen, I agree with one hundred percent of

455
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,479
Speaker 2: the things you're saying, because even when her and Tamra

456
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:27,760
Speaker 2: have the conversation, they ended up by saying, okay, let's

457
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:29,800
Speaker 2: not talk about each other, as of not let's not

458
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:33,120
Speaker 2: do it. But then Gretchen does it again, and then

459
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:36,200
Speaker 2: what I thought to be interestincing again, I'm gonna say this,

460
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:37,280
Speaker 2: and you don't have to say a word.

461
00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:42,000
Speaker 4: I think Heather is so phony, and I paused it

462
00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:45,560
Speaker 4: for years, and I.

463
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:54,920
Speaker 2: I don't understand how Heather can't claim to be Tama's friend.

464
00:23:56,000 --> 00:24:00,480
Speaker 2: But when it comes to the way Heather handles Gretchen,

465
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 2: she says things like, at her core, Gretchen is a

466
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:08,000
Speaker 2: sweet girl, which okay, I actually would agree with that,

467
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:12,359
Speaker 2: but I've never heard you say at her core Tamara

468
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 2: is a sweet girl. Because when you and Emily both

469
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:21,760
Speaker 2: said that you don't trust Tamra, why aren't you able

470
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:22,920
Speaker 2: to get past other things?

471
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:23,920
Speaker 4: You can't get past that.

472
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:27,360
Speaker 2: The way she speaks about Gretchen and has Gretchen's back,

473
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:29,240
Speaker 2: I don't see her do that to Tamra at all.

474
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:31,679
Speaker 4: And that's why for me, I.

475
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 2: Don't understand why Heaven can never say Tamar's best friend,

476
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:41,159
Speaker 2: Teddy Mellencamp and her co host, is battling cancer in

477
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:47,760
Speaker 2: her brain and she is suffering through this. So, yes,

478
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,720
Speaker 2: has Tama done things that she shouldn't have done? Sure,

479
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 2: and I think we all can say that, right, But

480
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:58,200
Speaker 2: at her core, I think she's a good person. But again,

481
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:00,880
Speaker 2: if you don't feel that way, Heather, they'll say things

482
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 2: you don't feel. But to me, the moment she said

483
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,480
Speaker 2: that about Gretchen, I said, Tamar I have said this

484
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:07,160
Speaker 2: is day one.

485
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:09,200
Speaker 4: The only friend.

486
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 2: Heather is is Terry and hermas, And I don't care

487
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:13,680
Speaker 2: if people get infensited by that.

488
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 4: I don't think.

489
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 2: And maybe Josh Autman because she's I think he's only

490
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:21,920
Speaker 2: friends with the people she can give real estate discounts from.

491
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 5: Oh golly, Carlos, you are going in right now.

492
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 2: I'm just saying because it thinks this. I watched these

493
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 2: shows like a student. I literally I study this craft

494
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 2: and I listen to what people are saying. I have

495
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:39,120
Speaker 2: never heard Heather de Bro and range us. If I'm wrong,

496
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:43,480
Speaker 2: show me the receipts. Show me the receipts if I'm wrong, please,

497
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:50,879
Speaker 2: I have I've never heard Heather speak about Tamra the

498
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:54,879
Speaker 2: way she spoke about Gretchen in this episode. It was

499
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 2: very delicate, and at the end of the day, unless

500
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 2: heaven de Bro tells me for the past twelve years

501
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,199
Speaker 2: when Gretchen was off the show that y'all two had

502
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:08,639
Speaker 2: dinner at fancy restaurants. I don't understand why you're so

503
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:13,160
Speaker 2: while you're taking up so much for Gretchen when your

504
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 2: friend is crying and leaving because she's been accused of

505
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:17,920
Speaker 2: drugging somebody.

506
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:20,880
Speaker 4: Your friend has been accused of drugging somebody.

507
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:25,399
Speaker 2: Your friend is battling a depression and she admits that

508
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 2: she's on medication and taking some because.

509
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 4: Of it, but you have no grace for her.

510
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:34,920
Speaker 2: You stab her again and shank her when you say

511
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 2: things like I don't trust you. I don't want to

512
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 2: be friends with no motherfucker who doesn't trust me. But

513
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 2: that's Carlos King, and that's what I have.

514
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 4: To say about that.

515
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:47,919
Speaker 5: So let me. I'm glad you got that all off.

516
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 5: Do you feel okay?

517
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:52,920
Speaker 4: I didn't feel good.

518
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 2: I had to do that.

519
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 3: I had to do that earlier in this podcast. So

520
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:57,479
Speaker 3: we both feel lighter now. Okay, we got it off

521
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:02,200
Speaker 3: our trust O. Yes, cut que piggyback on your comments.

522
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 3: I felt that sitting next to Heather last season on

523
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 3: the reunion. I did because Emily's screaming over me like

524
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 3: an elephant woman like ever Shrunk's just flying up and

525
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,959
Speaker 3: she's like slapping me in the face, and Heather's right

526
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 3: there in between.

527
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:21,399
Speaker 5: Okay, right there, could have simply said Emily just alets

528
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 5: us talk.

529
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 3: Not one time did she, But yet she fought for

530
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 3: me to get back on the show for a long time,

531
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 3: and I do feel like she's my friend. So I

532
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 3: do have to say, when I'm being objective recapping this show, everybody,

533
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 3: I'm not trying to dig on people. I'm trying to

534
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 3: recap a television show. I do feel some of that

535
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,920
Speaker 3: from you, like what you're saying. I do feel like

536
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:49,880
Speaker 3: Heather needs to stand up for what she truly believes.

537
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 3: And I think she just doesn't want any slack or

538
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 3: slack or from anyone. But I think that it's gonna

539
00:27:59,040 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 3: end up biting her in the butt.

540
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 2: I think.

541
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 5: I don't know, but I don't what is what is

542
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:04,159
Speaker 5: Heather getting right now?

543
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 3: Are people noticing this or is this just honestly a

544
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 3: Carlos feel from watching it, Like, is she getting some

545
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 3: like Okay, Heather stand up for some people here?

546
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:14,120
Speaker 5: Well?

547
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 4: No, Listen.

548
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,359
Speaker 2: The reason why I never based my opinions off of

549
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 2: the three percent on Twitter is because I know that

550
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 2: people have select them outrage and and and those you.

551
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 4: Like you like it.

552
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 2: They can do the worst things in the world, but

553
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,920
Speaker 2: they get they get defended. You know, we see that

554
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 2: with Shannon's a horror behavior. Shannon allegedly yells at production

555
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 2: that's a note for me. I don't play those games.

556
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 2: It's true, Yeah, that's that's a no note. But if

557
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 2: tamray'll that production, they would give her her as the kiss, you.

558
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 4: Know, because of that.

559
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 2: So I don't know if people on Twitter are seeing

560
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 2: Hea there's I think Hea there's duplicitous.

561
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 4: I'm not sure people are seeing it. I don't give

562
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 4: a fuck if they don't. I see it. And I'm

563
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 4: somebody who watched these shows with no bias. Yes, I'm PRIs.

564
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 4: But Tamra, but last year, I.

565
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 2: Said on this various podcast Alexis, I said, look baby,

566
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 2: uh jen Rad Tamra.

567
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 4: Now on that trip when he stormed in the hotel room, man,

568
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 4: I said, Tamora, he got red girl who deserved it.

569
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 4: So I'm not biased. What I what I'm able to

570
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 4: see is the fact that.

571
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 2: There's bias when it comes to the audience projections when

572
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 2: it comes to these women and Heaven de bro is duplicitous.

573
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 2: She's no one's friend, and that was evident when she

574
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 2: gave all of these sweet gestures to Gretchen.

575
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 4: I had yet to see her give it to Tamera.

576
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 3: That's my opineah, and I don't I don't understand honestly, Carlos,

577
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:49,239
Speaker 3: why she's giving props to Gretchen because Gretchen has been

578
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 3: awful to Tamera on this on this same season, Heather's

579
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 3: seen it. So not only has it been going on

580
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 3: for twelve years on this on this season, Heather witnessed it.

581
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 4: So I don't know.

582
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 3: It makes no sense to me other than I've said

583
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 3: this before, Carlos, Gosh, Rain Drups don't hate me. I've

584
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 3: said it before on a couple episodes ago that we

585
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 3: podcasts ago. I think the girls are trying to ice

586
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 3: Tamra out again, I do. I think that they are

587
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 3: like Tamra is the only reason the ratings got better was.

588
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 5: When Tamra got brought back. Okay, then the ratings are

589
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 5: back because Tamrack calls a spade a spade or slay

590
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 5: a slave like we said before.

591
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 3: And the problem is the problem is if they I

592
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 3: throw out and Tamara gets canned another nap, she has

593
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 3: to take another nap for a couple of years, the

594
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 3: show's going to tank and they're going to have to

595
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 3: bring her back.

596
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 5: So it's almost like it's almost like the girls.

597
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 3: I feel like the girls don't like the truth being

598
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 3: called out, but Tamar's the only one that will do it,

599
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 3: and we'll keep the storyline moving forward. And I don't

600
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 3: care if she's my friend or not. I don't give

601
00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:00,120
Speaker 3: a crap about that. I'm talking objective from me watching.

602
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 5: This show because guess what.

603
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 3: We all saw the ratings when Tamora left, and we

604
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 3: all saw the ratings when the Tammar came back.

605
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 5: Okay, Hello, that's receipts in itself, just by looking at

606
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 5: the billboard on that.

607
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 3: Okay, But so she could very easily be canned because

608
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 3: the girls are all like, well, I don't want to

609
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 3: fill with her.

610
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 4: I don't know.

611
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 5: We're trying to.

612
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 3: Get off because she calls the facts, but she'll be back.

613
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 5: Yeah.

614
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 2: Well look look Li look, always listen rain Drops when

615
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 2: you watch these shows. Always listen to what they're saying,

616
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 2: because it's buzzwords. When Emily and Haber both said we

617
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 2: don't trust Tamra, those were code words for we wow

618
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 2: her off the show. We can't feel with somebody we

619
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 2: don't trust. They feel like goes too low.

620
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 3: I never thought about that. But it's not Tamra goes

621
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 3: too low. It's Tamra won't let you go from the

622
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 3: truth like, she'll tell the truth. She'll call the truth

623
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 3: and that's what you know what else, Now, what you

624
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 3: just said just got me fired.

625
00:31:58,440 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 5: Up a little bit.

626
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 3: When she's calling the truth out, they think, oh, we

627
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 3: can't tell her any information. Unfortunately, you don't have to

628
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 3: feed the information of Tamra because you're filming a reality show.

629
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 3: So Tamara is smart enough to watch things happen and

630
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 3: know truth about what's going on behind the scenes and

631
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 3: in the scene. She's just the only one that will

632
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 3: actually call it out when all the other women.

633
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 5: Will sit back and be like, Oh, we're going to

634
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 5: it farm and you know, no.

635
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 3: Tips, No, Tamara's gonna move the storyline and tell the truth.

636
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 2: No, that's that's that's that's that's what it is, guys.

637
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 2: Because it's the reason why they I saw Katie. Is

638
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 2: the reason why Emily said I'm mad at you, Tama,

639
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 2: you me with Katie, because that meant, oh my gosh,

640
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 2: Tamara's gonna bring Katie back on the show.

641
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 4: Katie knows too much and she's willing to bring it up.

642
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 2: That's what's going on, and it was evident because let's

643
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 2: let's get into what Tamar did Tamra showed Jin And

644
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 2: and I want.

645
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 4: To get your honest thoughts on this, not that you

646
00:32:58,040 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 4: you're not honest, but.

647
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 5: No, no, why.

648
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 4: Don't start girl?

649
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 5: Now, Okay, I'm going to start lying right now.

650
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 2: When approached Jin And said, look, I got this podcast.

651
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 2: I heart sensed those topics to talk about, which I

652
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 2: can confirm as against co hosts on two teas of

653
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 2: the pod towns telling the truth, the producers docing topics

654
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 2: for us to discuss right when I'm against co host

655
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 2: on two teas of the pod. And she did show

656
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 2: Jen a headline of how Jen, you know, have to

657
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Speaker 2: pay six figures for a set, I'm able to come

658
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Speaker 2: to some rent, you know. She she went to Gin

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Speaker 2: and said, look, this is what came to me, and

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Speaker 2: there you go. I thought that was a nice gesture.

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Speaker 2: Jen said, look, I'm just not sure I can trust

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Speaker 2: the intentions of what I'm white Tamra brought this to me.

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Speaker 4: I didn't think Tamra was doing it to em barness. Jin,

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Speaker 4: I think two things, and this is my opinion.

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Speaker 2: Camera understands how to make great TV. So she understood, like, okay,

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Speaker 2: this is what came to me. Instead of me talking

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Speaker 2: about it behind her back. I'll go to her to

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Speaker 2: talk about it, and then from beer, Jen Cans said,

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Speaker 2: one of the fucks she wants to about it. But

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Speaker 2: at least I brought it to the source. And that's

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Speaker 2: why Tamera is a great reality star because she knew

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Speaker 2: I do have this info. I can easily talk about

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Speaker 2: it to the girls, But why not pull Jenn aside

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Speaker 2: and say, look, this is what I had And I

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Speaker 2: thought two things can be true.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I thought she had the best intentions, but also

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Speaker 4: thought she was doing her job.

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Speaker 3: Well, I agree with you, I also have a I

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Speaker 3: have another feeling to it. So my question would be,

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Speaker 3: it's a headline. It's an article that came out. It

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Speaker 3: was not private information. It was on a headline in

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Speaker 3: a tabloid.

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Speaker 5: Okay. That means we're all going to know about it

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Speaker 5: in the next twenty four hours anyways.

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Speaker 3: And I don't think that it's bad at all that

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Speaker 3: Tamra brings up something to get clarity for everyone about

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Speaker 3: the fact that please clarify for me what does this mean?

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Speaker 3: And by the way, there's nothing wrong with Jen owing

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Speaker 3: that many and they had they weren't a hard time

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Speaker 3: and then they paid it back.

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Speaker 5: Who cares. It's just like a credit card.

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Speaker 3: You you swiched your credit card, you pay it back

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Speaker 3: over time, you pay the interest, whatever, So who cares

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Speaker 3: about that? That's not even a big deal. But I

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Speaker 3: don't think Tamar had bad intentions. I think she said

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Speaker 3: this is going to be in a headline.

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Speaker 5: Let me just clear the air.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 3: We also know that there are certain things that we

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Speaker 3: are to discuss on camera, and the scene doesn't end

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Speaker 3: until things are discussed and hashed out. So I think

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Speaker 3: Camra was doing her job. She got handed a job

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Speaker 3: to do and she delivered for the viewers. You're welcome

704
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Speaker 3: is what the viewers should be saying, or a thank you,

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Speaker 3: I mean, and Tamra can say you're welcome, but like

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Speaker 3: that was a job.

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Speaker 5: We've all been to.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, Agrey, I feel like she's doing her job

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Speaker 2: and it's not a rumor that she heard from the neighbor.

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Speaker 4: This is a headline that she was presented to her,

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Speaker 4: and from there you have everybody to do it.

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Speaker 2: It's the way just zeb Bryan works a potomac, Like,

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Speaker 2: these are things that are out there and I feel

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Speaker 2: like it's okay to address it.

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Speaker 4: Similarly, similarly to what Emily feels.

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Speaker 2: She and Gina are in a bad spot when it

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Speaker 2: comes to the fact that, according to Gina weeks ago,

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Speaker 2: Tamra showed her and they showed the flash sideways, which

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Speaker 2: is Tamra actually showing Gina this Instagram post that allegedly

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Speaker 2: Gene I'm sorry that allegedly Gretchen Life.

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Speaker 4: Now they did blur it out.

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Speaker 2: The post pretty much said something about pedophilia and homosexuality.

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Speaker 2: That's that's what the post was about, that allegedly allegedly

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Speaker 2: allegedly Gretchen.

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Speaker 4: Like, Okay, that was the post that they've burned out.

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Speaker 5: You missed the one key part to that.

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Speaker 3: It was because I've seen the post because it popped

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Speaker 3: up on my Instagram too.

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Speaker 5: It just came up when all this was happening. But

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Speaker 5: it's pedophilia and homeo homosexuality are equivalent, You're the same.

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Speaker 3: That's the part you missed. Just now for the brain

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Speaker 3: ops to hear it that you didn't say that is

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Speaker 3: that is what this post blogger, I don't even know

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Speaker 3: what it was. I don't even know the site that

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Speaker 3: quoted this said, if you are homosexual, it's the same

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Speaker 3: as pedophilia. Okay, how disgusting is that number one. But

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Speaker 3: the fact that Gretchen liked it is the grossest part

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Speaker 3: of it all. And that is where you just said

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Speaker 3: the homosexuality and pedophilia. You didn't explain to the rain

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Speaker 3: Drops exactly it was that. It was that they were

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Speaker 3: making it equivalent. It's not it's not equivalent.

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Speaker 4: Yes, no, you're you're right, yes, and I want to

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Speaker 4: find it.

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Speaker 2: They they scrubbed it from the internet, but obviously, as

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Speaker 2: you know, on the internet, everything isn't totally scrubs. The

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Speaker 2: alleged alleged alleged post said, when you open the door

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Speaker 2: to homosexuality, you open the door to pedophilia. You'll never

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Speaker 2: win by normalizing perversion. That is what the alleged post

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Speaker 2: said that allegedly gret like Gretchen. I just want to

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Speaker 2: say for the record, Gretchen has since denied it, so

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Speaker 2: I do want to say that on the record, she's

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Speaker 2: saying that it's not true.

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Speaker 4: She never liked it, and I believe she's a legend.

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Speaker 4: It was photoshop and rain dropped.

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Speaker 2: Just so you know, this is the post that we

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Speaker 2: saw in the next week sees the finale where Heather

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Speaker 2: of the bro seems to be angry about it and

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Speaker 2: confronts Gretchen, and Gretchen is saying that it was not true. Look,

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Speaker 2: I will say this, that is a disgusting post. Anybody

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Speaker 2: who likes it, you're a disgusting person to like it.

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Speaker 4: Gretchen.

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Speaker 2: We have to see what happens. I saw the post.

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Speaker 2: It does appear that Gretchen did like it. And what

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Speaker 2: people have been saying about Gretchen that you and I

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Speaker 2: talked about, Mom, you know, weeks ago, but you got

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Speaker 2: really upset about it, rightfully, So a lot of people are.

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Speaker 4: Saying that Gretchen has homophobic.

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Speaker 2: Leafs and what we did see before I'll let you respond,

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Speaker 2: alexis what we did see in Becoming Attractions for next

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Speaker 2: week's see the finale was Gretchen mentioning something biblical, and

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Speaker 2: that's when I believe was Gina, who was like, but wait,

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Speaker 2: what does it have to.

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Speaker 4: Do with X, Y and Z.

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Speaker 3: So I do want to say that, yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 3: I don't want to comment on next week's episode because

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Speaker 3: it's I love the teasers and they're never sometimes they're

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Speaker 3: not even ever true, or it throws you off or whatever,

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Speaker 3: So I don't really want to talk about that until

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Speaker 3: we actually watched that episode. But what I will say

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Speaker 3: is to say that it was scrubbed or or not

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Speaker 3: her mention it or you know, liking it. Carlos, I

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Speaker 3: would love any person following your podcast.

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Speaker 5: Which you have, how many followers do you have? How

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00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 5: many brain drops do you have? Hundreds of thousands, one,

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Speaker 5: hundreds of thousands?

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Speaker 4: Thank you guys.

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Speaker 3: I would love I would love one of them to

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Speaker 3: come forward and simply DM you or me and say, yes,

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Speaker 3: it's happened to me that my account has been that

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Speaker 3: I had this happened.

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Speaker 5: I would love one because guess what when my account

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Speaker 5: got hacked.

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Speaker 3: I didn't suddenly start getting liking posts that I liked

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Speaker 3: where it was they just tried to shut me down,

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Speaker 3: and they put Armenian words under my profile, and they they.

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Speaker 5: Locked me out of my account.

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Speaker 3: I got it back, but that hacker didn't put me

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Speaker 3: liking things I didn't like it. So I would love

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Speaker 3: one person to come forward and say that number one,

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Speaker 3: number two, that is the easiest scapegoat, That is exactly

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Speaker 3: a one oh one Slade's We're going to cover up

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Speaker 3: your mistakes, Gretchen, and we'll figure it out.

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Speaker 5: Do I think she probably did say that and regrets it. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: but that's the end of it. Pure. I mean, I

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Speaker 5: don't I don't any of that that it was What

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Speaker 5: did she say, scrubbed? Is that what you said? She

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Speaker 5: said it's scrubbed. I don't even know.

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Speaker 2: Well, no, so I believe and again we'll know next

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Speaker 2: week when the episode airs.

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Speaker 4: I do believe that Gretchen allegedly did an.

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Speaker 2: Interview and she has denied that she liked it and

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Speaker 2: she was single photoshopped.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, sorry, you can't photoshop people's names, and no,

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Speaker 3: that would happen. Can you imagine how many of us

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Speaker 3: would be getting a cute like There would be so

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Speaker 3: many people saying it's photoshopped that it would we'd hear

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Speaker 3: of this all the time.

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Speaker 5: You don't hear of this.

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Speaker 3: You don't hear of people's accounts being photoshopped and liking

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Speaker 3: somebody else's post.

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Speaker 5: It's not heard of.

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Speaker 3: So that's why I want the rain drops to come

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Speaker 3: forward because maybe I am ignorant in that topic. But

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Speaker 3: I've never known one friend. I have a lot of friends.

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Speaker 3: I have a lot of people on social media that

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Speaker 3: I know I've never heard of. They're liked being photoshopped in.

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Speaker 2: I haven't either does being completely on it and this

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Speaker 2: is this is going to rear's ugly head next week,

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Speaker 2: and we'll see what happens.

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Speaker 4: But it's gonna be good because yeah, we're going to.

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Speaker 2: Get down to it for the season finale and really

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Speaker 2: really get down to like what is happening. But again, look,

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Speaker 2: I am thrilled that we get to really see the

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Speaker 2: combination of what's been happening this season.

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Speaker 4: And I'm ready for the reunion. I'll pray for that.

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Speaker 3: Carlos, hold on, I want to see next week and then, yes,

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Speaker 3: we need the reunion, but I need to see next week.

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Speaker 5: Okay, I got for sure.

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Speaker 3: You're you're like you're like running to to Neiman Marcus

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00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 3: and we barely just park the car, Like come on, okay,

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Speaker 3: I haven't got my seatbelt up yet, I haven't turned

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Speaker 3: the car off, and you're already Anemen Marcus.

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Speaker 5: Okay, slow down, buddy, take me.

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Speaker 2: To both thank me to the storms nor next week

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Speaker 2: su finale.

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Speaker 4: It looks to be good.

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Speaker 2: And trust me, Ray Josh Alexis, I will be back

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Speaker 2: to recap that. Alexis, thank you so much for hopping

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Speaker 2: back in.

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Speaker 4: I think you had a busy day. I love you,

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Speaker 4: give my best to John le kids, and I will

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Speaker 4: see you next week.

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Speaker 5: Next week.

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Speaker 4: Bye, alright, bye baby bye.

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Speaker 1: Reality with the King is executive produced by me Carlos King,

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