WEBVTT - Mimi + Aaron 0:00:04.200 --> 0:00:06.720 You know this is funny. Ellen and I speak at 0:00:06.800 --> 0:00:09.640 least twice a week. So I said, so, what's new? 0:00:10.119 --> 0:00:12.520 What could be? No, we haven't gone out, and that 0:00:12.680 --> 0:00:16.720 has me anything. I did get up, I take a shower, 0:00:16.720 --> 0:00:19.160 I get dressed, I walked the dog every day to day. 0:00:19.400 --> 0:00:23.080 What's happening between us? Now, that's the most exciting thing 0:00:23.160 --> 0:00:26.560 in the whole pandemonium, whatever you call of this pandemic. 0:00:26.840 --> 0:00:28.960 I'm going to put a notice on the bulletin board 0:00:28.960 --> 0:00:32.000 in my lobby Rita. Bobby said to me, how can 0:00:32.040 --> 0:00:34.800 I see it? I said, you can't see it. You 0:00:34.840 --> 0:00:39.920 have to listen to it. That's right, That's right. So, Allen, 0:00:40.040 --> 0:00:43.960 who's coming on the podcast today? Well? I believe that 0:00:44.040 --> 0:00:46.959 it is me, Me and our grandson Aaron, And from 0:00:46.960 --> 0:00:50.599 what I understand, they have a tremendous relationship and she 0:00:50.720 --> 0:00:55.360 has got a very colorful life and a very colorful 0:00:55.400 --> 0:00:58.680 way of describing it. So we're in for a very 0:00:58.720 --> 0:01:11.080 interesting set today. Hard do you want to talk to 0:01:11.160 --> 0:01:15.120 them and say, Hi? Do you want to sing? Change? Change? Chane? 0:01:15.800 --> 0:01:18.920 No sing a song? I'm no woo woo woo. He's 0:01:18.920 --> 0:01:24.480 an African gray. The other ones a parrot, mca are 0:01:24.520 --> 0:01:29.600 you there? Yeah, we're here. Could my hair be any higher? Okay? 0:01:29.760 --> 0:01:34.759 Are you gonna ask me hard questions? You'll find out. Hi. 0:01:34.800 --> 0:01:37.960 I'm Aaron and this is my grandma Emi. She lives 0:01:38.080 --> 0:01:40.559 probably half an hour away from me in somers New York. 0:01:40.880 --> 0:01:43.480 I don't want to give up your age. I'm still alive. 0:01:45.160 --> 0:01:49.000 He's the Messiah. He can do no wrong, and he's 0:01:49.080 --> 0:01:52.800 never done anything wrong. My first grandchild, who I said, 0:01:53.200 --> 0:01:56.600 after spending time with him, if I had known grandchildren 0:01:56.600 --> 0:01:59.800 with this delicious, I would have bypassed my kids altogether. 0:02:02.400 --> 0:02:04.280 It makes it a little hard for some of the 0:02:04.320 --> 0:02:08.040 others to live up to his standard. He has two 0:02:08.080 --> 0:02:11.880 younger cousins of both boys, both good ball players. They 0:02:11.919 --> 0:02:14.600 have a role model to look up to. I think 0:02:14.600 --> 0:02:16.960 it may have been Christmas and you gave everyone like 0:02:17.000 --> 0:02:20.320 twenty dollars and then you snuck me the same amount again, 0:02:20.360 --> 0:02:21.840 and you like put it in my hand and you're like, 0:02:21.880 --> 0:02:23.880 just just hold onto this. Don't tell anyone else, though 0:02:24.400 --> 0:02:26.400 I said to you, shut up and don't say anything. 0:02:28.720 --> 0:02:30.720 I just said it the nicer way. But he's nicer 0:02:30.760 --> 0:02:33.320 than I am. He's more thoughtful than I am, and 0:02:33.440 --> 0:02:36.240 more tactful than I am. Whatever she's thinking about is 0:02:36.240 --> 0:02:39.760 coming out. She's not gonna hold anything back. If I 0:02:39.880 --> 0:02:41.600 have to guess, when I get a little bit older 0:02:41.639 --> 0:02:44.040 and I get less shy, I'm sure I'll be in 0:02:44.080 --> 0:02:45.960 the same exact spot and just kind of call people 0:02:45.960 --> 0:02:48.200 out for whatever is going on. I hope so. And 0:02:48.240 --> 0:02:57.119 I'll be looking I'm watching you, guiding you the whole way. Okay, 0:02:57.160 --> 0:03:00.480 I'm reading these pet titles for Mimmy and end this 0:03:00.520 --> 0:03:07.200 episode and part one says unfiltered baseball advice. What could 0:03:07.280 --> 0:03:17.079 that be? We text each other all the time. After 0:03:17.120 --> 0:03:19.160 my games, she would text me and she would just 0:03:19.200 --> 0:03:21.079 kind of fire me up and throwing a few curse 0:03:21.160 --> 0:03:23.120 words in there and make me feel better about myself 0:03:23.560 --> 0:03:25.760 and then say I love you at the end, some 0:03:25.800 --> 0:03:30.279 motivational stuff for sure. Do you remember Sean fo Piano? Grandma? 0:03:30.800 --> 0:03:33.040 You would always ask about you. He always how's Mimi? 0:03:33.160 --> 0:03:35.880 How's Mimi? And he would always when we were big 0:03:35.920 --> 0:03:38.080 into Facebook, he would always see your posts and be 0:03:38.160 --> 0:03:41.560 asking about you. Any time I'd say Grandma, he would 0:03:41.560 --> 0:03:44.080 be like, oh, Mimi, are you talking about me? I 0:03:44.120 --> 0:03:46.480 think you may have sent a friend request to my friend. 0:03:46.880 --> 0:03:48.920 I sent a friend request to one of your friends. 0:03:49.440 --> 0:03:51.520 That's not what happened. I know, I know what you're 0:03:51.560 --> 0:03:54.200 talking about. No, he read the post that you were 0:03:54.200 --> 0:03:55.920 and I sent to each other, and he sent me 0:03:56.000 --> 0:03:59.760 a friend request. Oh was it? Okay? I believe you. 0:03:59.840 --> 0:04:02.320 I believe you. And that was when they first started 0:04:02.320 --> 0:04:06.840 to check me out as a pedophile. Don't believe everything 0:04:06.880 --> 0:04:10.680 I say. They would all come over and talk to me, 0:04:10.760 --> 0:04:13.280 and then you know, they'd say, hi, Grandma, how did 0:04:13.280 --> 0:04:15.880 I do today? How do I look today? And you know, 0:04:16.120 --> 0:04:18.120 it was funny how the parents would say to me. 0:04:18.600 --> 0:04:20.839 You know, my son really likes coming over and talking 0:04:20.839 --> 0:04:24.200 to you. I'm very comfortable, you know, with kids in sports, 0:04:24.480 --> 0:04:27.080 and I'm a big promoter of kids. I think my 0:04:27.160 --> 0:04:30.320 friends and especially kids my age, would expect grandparents to 0:04:30.680 --> 0:04:34.360 be more like polite and just like very formal about everything, 0:04:35.080 --> 0:04:37.360 and I'd say, you're definitely a little far from that. 0:04:37.480 --> 0:04:39.920 So I think that can get her into trouble, even 0:04:39.920 --> 0:04:43.279 in our own family. Her whole life, she hasn't filtered herself, 0:04:43.320 --> 0:04:45.719 even when me and the other grandchildren were really young. 0:04:46.080 --> 0:04:49.360 I treat all of you like grown ups. Yeah, And 0:04:49.520 --> 0:04:52.359 sometimes they're shocked and I said, I did a pretty 0:04:52.360 --> 0:04:54.880 good job raising all of you, didn't I why should 0:04:54.960 --> 0:04:57.640 they miss out on me? I think it's a lot 0:04:57.680 --> 0:05:00.240 more impactful than if you're just like sugarcoat and how 0:05:00.279 --> 0:05:05.479 you say everything. Maybe sometimes I crossed the line, but already, 0:05:05.640 --> 0:05:08.599 thank god. You think I've crossed the line a few times, Yeah, 0:05:08.760 --> 0:05:11.719 I have, and I admit it. I definitely agree with it. 0:05:11.800 --> 0:05:14.080 A lot of people in our family are very, very 0:05:14.160 --> 0:05:17.440 very nice, and like, we'll never say anything bad about anyone, 0:05:17.839 --> 0:05:19.760 and you kind of need someone to like say it. 0:05:19.760 --> 0:05:21.800 How it is, if someone's doing something wrong, you gotta 0:05:21.880 --> 0:05:28.440 say they're doing something wrong. It's a very sweet relationship. 0:05:28.560 --> 0:05:32.640 They seem like good buddies. She's crazy about him that 0:05:32.760 --> 0:05:35.880 you could see, and he's gonna get kicked out of her, 0:05:36.080 --> 0:05:39.440 which is nice. Sometimes with a grandson, it's a little harder, 0:05:39.520 --> 0:05:42.480 because I think that that where you have more in 0:05:42.560 --> 0:05:45.560 common with our granddaughters, they'll come to you about clothes 0:05:45.720 --> 0:05:48.800 or boyfriends or something like that, and boys don't necessarily 0:05:48.839 --> 0:05:51.040 do that. But it seems that this young man and 0:05:51.080 --> 0:05:54.200 his grandmother have a lot in comment, and the fact 0:05:54.240 --> 0:05:58.919 that that his friends gravitate toward her is lovely. And 0:05:59.000 --> 0:06:02.400 it's lovely for him. She's outrageous, Let's let's face it, 0:06:02.480 --> 0:06:05.279 she's a little the grandmother is a little bit outrageous 0:06:05.560 --> 0:06:08.480 in her language and her but that's okay, that's who. 0:06:08.680 --> 0:06:10.960 But he seems to enjoy it too. But that's what 0:06:11.000 --> 0:06:14.599 I'm saying. He appreciates it, and that his friends get 0:06:14.640 --> 0:06:17.400 a kick out of it is sort of a reflection 0:06:17.480 --> 0:06:20.080 on him. You know, your grandmother is a cool cat, 0:06:20.200 --> 0:06:22.960 so that's that's a good thing for him, Oh reader, 0:06:23.120 --> 0:06:30.520 a cool cat? Yeah? Well yeah, how do you like that? 0:06:30.520 --> 0:06:36.760 That's phrase that dates us. Boy. Well, now we're into 0:06:36.800 --> 0:06:42.000 part two and this is about freedom. The first thing 0:06:42.040 --> 0:06:45.960 that comes to mind, of course, is hippies freedom. I'm 0:06:46.000 --> 0:06:51.320 taking off my bro Ellen. Just don't do it, though, 0:06:52.320 --> 0:06:54.880 forget it. If you and I take off my bras, 0:06:55.000 --> 0:06:58.080 forget it. I'm very careful about what hits my feet lately. 0:07:13.400 --> 0:07:16.240 Is there anything from your childhood that you'd say you miss? Yeah? 0:07:16.360 --> 0:07:22.520 Being young? You want to know what I really miss? 0:07:22.560 --> 0:07:25.880 The freedom, the freedom we have that you don't have now, 0:07:26.040 --> 0:07:29.600 to be able to go out and explore and walk 0:07:29.600 --> 0:07:32.200 in the streets and be with your friends and not 0:07:32.360 --> 0:07:34.360 have to look over your shoulder that I'm hobbs, You're 0:07:34.360 --> 0:07:37.320 gonna come to you. We all grew up in the Bronx, 0:07:38.040 --> 0:07:41.800 in this little neighborhood where everybody knew each other, every 0:07:41.920 --> 0:07:45.200 mother watched out for each other. Parents didn't worry. When 0:07:45.240 --> 0:07:48.400 I went to high school in Manhattan, we would go 0:07:48.960 --> 0:07:51.960 to parties and walk at twelve o'clock at night from 0:07:52.000 --> 0:07:54.920 one side of Manhattan to the other. Nobody was going 0:07:55.000 --> 0:07:57.240 to stop you in the park. You didn't have to 0:07:57.280 --> 0:07:59.800 be afraid of anything. There was nothing to be afraid of. 0:08:00.080 --> 0:08:02.400 From what I've heard, it definitely seems like things have changed. 0:08:02.640 --> 0:08:04.600 I always knew to stay at a central park when 0:08:04.640 --> 0:08:08.520 the sun went down. Absolutely, yeah, at different times. Did 0:08:08.600 --> 0:08:12.280 your parents influence your personality at all? They made me 0:08:12.400 --> 0:08:16.880 the rebel bitch I am now, Yeah, yeah they did. 0:08:17.080 --> 0:08:18.800 Oh God, how much am I going to go into 0:08:19.320 --> 0:08:23.640 I had parents that suffocated me. That generation was much 0:08:23.680 --> 0:08:26.960 more controlling, and so I would get more of a 0:08:27.080 --> 0:08:30.600 reaction out of them if I was a rebel. If 0:08:30.680 --> 0:08:32.959 I had to raise a kid like me, I'd kill myself. 0:08:33.440 --> 0:08:37.199 But they should have been more aware of what I 0:08:37.360 --> 0:08:40.959 was like and why I was doing it. So while 0:08:41.040 --> 0:08:45.079 I'm copping out. I'm kind of blaming them, but some 0:08:45.200 --> 0:08:47.599 of the actions that I had, and that's what I 0:08:47.640 --> 0:08:50.240 want to say, fair enough, I was much closer to 0:08:50.320 --> 0:08:53.440 my grandparents than I was to my parents. I could 0:08:53.480 --> 0:08:56.080 go to my grandparents and talk to them. I don't 0:08:56.120 --> 0:08:58.560 think I really had to rebel because I was very 0:08:58.800 --> 0:09:01.840 I still am very close my parents. I basically told 0:09:01.880 --> 0:09:03.480 them anything I was doing, and we would just talk 0:09:03.559 --> 0:09:07.439 everything through having children of my own and realizing the 0:09:07.600 --> 0:09:10.600 things that I wanted to do with them, and finally 0:09:10.760 --> 0:09:14.559 having the balls to say, back off, these are my kids. 0:09:15.080 --> 0:09:17.840 You had your chance, Now give me that same chance. 0:09:18.320 --> 0:09:21.440 I'd said. My parents definitely have that same philosophy, free thinking, 0:09:21.600 --> 0:09:23.920 and you have your own opinions, and they're not gonna 0:09:24.600 --> 0:09:28.640 interject unless there's something like drastically important. Even in those situations, 0:09:28.720 --> 0:09:31.720 they were just talk us through all the options instead 0:09:31.760 --> 0:09:34.079 of just telling us what to do. It definitely helps. 0:09:34.400 --> 0:09:36.160 I think if that's the case, then I've done my 0:09:36.320 --> 0:09:42.640 job too, for sure. It was very interesting to him 0:09:42.679 --> 0:09:47.120 Mimi the explanation of her her rebel nuts and her 0:09:47.200 --> 0:09:52.319 grandson fully understands how he understands his parents. They're very 0:09:52.440 --> 0:09:54.679 free and letting him do his own thing, make his 0:09:54.800 --> 0:09:58.120 own choices, and that's what Mimmi wanted. And she said 0:09:58.160 --> 0:10:01.480 now she feels they decayed for her actions. And this 0:10:01.679 --> 0:10:04.839 went on very in tune with her. I think that 0:10:05.040 --> 0:10:08.840 there's a freedom in that relationship. There's such a sympathic 0:10:08.960 --> 0:10:11.800 o there. Well, today, you know that the thinking is 0:10:11.960 --> 0:10:13.880 let the kids be what they have, you know, what 0:10:14.000 --> 0:10:16.760 they wanted, which is the right way to be today 0:10:16.880 --> 0:10:20.839 you have to be accepting. Yes, absolutely, it's not as 0:10:20.960 --> 0:10:23.800 easy as when we were young. I think the kids 0:10:23.840 --> 0:10:28.280 today come out into a world that's very stressful. Generally speaking, 0:10:28.480 --> 0:10:31.720 I agree totally. It's a very stressful world for these kids. 0:10:31.880 --> 0:10:34.040 I mean I remember going into the city on the 0:10:34.120 --> 0:10:37.640 subway late at night, meeting friends. Nobody thought of what's 0:10:37.679 --> 0:10:40.000 going on today. I used to take my sister once 0:10:40.040 --> 0:10:43.520 a week to the orthodontist to have her bike place 0:10:43.640 --> 0:10:46.320 or whatever it was Titan, you know, we'd go down 0:10:46.360 --> 0:10:49.320 the subway and we'd walk around downtown Brooklyn. I could 0:10:49.400 --> 0:10:51.840 not have been more than twelve or thirteen years old, 0:10:52.080 --> 0:10:54.160 and my sister is five years younger than I am. 0:10:54.440 --> 0:10:58.840 And you didn't rebel. I didn't rebel. If you did, 0:10:58.960 --> 0:11:03.440 you kept it in. I was sort of rebellious. Okay, Ellen, 0:11:03.520 --> 0:11:07.360 you know it's time for commercial break. Okay, everybody go 0:11:07.440 --> 0:11:25.760 to the kitchen and graba soda at a sandwich. The 0:11:25.880 --> 0:11:29.720 next one is part three, Mimi comes into her own. 0:11:32.760 --> 0:11:34.840 So did anyone encourage you to have a career when 0:11:34.880 --> 0:11:38.880 you were young? But you have to understand, when I 0:11:39.040 --> 0:11:42.400 grew up, there weren't very many Jewish young girls who 0:11:42.480 --> 0:11:46.400 had careers. No nobody encouraged me to do anything. Truthfully, 0:11:46.840 --> 0:11:49.800 it wasn't until I grew up a little bit and 0:11:50.080 --> 0:11:52.880 I wanted to make more of myself than I was 0:11:53.760 --> 0:11:56.240 that I had the confidence that my children gave me 0:11:56.360 --> 0:12:00.079 and my husband gave me that enabled me to have 0:12:00.240 --> 0:12:06.720 different careers. How did you and Grandpa meet? We all 0:12:06.800 --> 0:12:10.360 grew up in the same neighborhood, and he was in 0:12:10.480 --> 0:12:13.560 the older group of boys, and they hung out at 0:12:13.600 --> 0:12:16.880 the pool room, and in those days, pool rooms were acceptable, 0:12:17.160 --> 0:12:20.400 and I was friendly with his sister. I guess I 0:12:20.640 --> 0:12:23.200 was fortunate, you know, a fift team, and he took 0:12:23.280 --> 0:12:25.520 me along they were going to Fire Island, and then 0:12:25.559 --> 0:12:27.480 I didn't see him because I went off to school 0:12:28.000 --> 0:12:29.760 and everything, so I didn't see him for a few 0:12:29.840 --> 0:12:32.880 years and then we all belonged to the Speech club 0:12:33.160 --> 0:12:35.079 and I asked him if he would give me a 0:12:35.200 --> 0:12:37.599 ride up to the club. And I'll never forget, he 0:12:37.679 --> 0:12:39.600 said to me. And I'll be in the bar. If 0:12:39.679 --> 0:12:42.199 you don't get lucky, come and get me and I'll 0:12:42.320 --> 0:12:44.840 drive you home. And I had to come and ask 0:12:44.960 --> 0:12:46.920 him to drive me home because I didn't get lucky. 0:12:48.080 --> 0:12:50.120 And we started going out and then we got there 0:12:51.000 --> 0:12:53.560 and that was it. What was he like? I haven't 0:12:53.600 --> 0:12:57.600 really gotten a whole ton of details. Very handsome, very 0:12:57.640 --> 0:13:01.640 good ballplayer, very good business man. I remember hearing that 0:13:01.800 --> 0:13:04.319 he had to work out with the Dodgers once. He 0:13:04.440 --> 0:13:06.880 was invited to sprint training for one year, which I 0:13:06.920 --> 0:13:09.080 thought was really cool. I think it would have been 0:13:09.120 --> 0:13:11.560 really cool for him to watch me play. I wish 0:13:11.559 --> 0:13:13.559 I could have learned from him too. He would have 0:13:13.600 --> 0:13:17.680 been so goddamn proud of you. Okay, asked me another question. 0:13:17.760 --> 0:13:21.400 I'll come back to it because I'm Dr Grig. What 0:13:21.640 --> 0:13:24.080 was it like having so many kids? Oh my god, 0:13:24.120 --> 0:13:26.480 I loved it. I really did. I don't think i'd 0:13:26.520 --> 0:13:28.439 be able to. And I have no idea how you 0:13:28.520 --> 0:13:30.520 did it. And I give you so much respect for it. 0:13:31.200 --> 0:13:34.000 So how did the two of you approach parenting together? 0:13:34.520 --> 0:13:37.520 You know, we both came from upper middle class Jewish 0:13:37.600 --> 0:13:41.600 families and it was a different time. We both had 0:13:41.640 --> 0:13:44.439 our parents to pull back on. I think Artie was 0:13:44.880 --> 0:13:47.280 more stripped and more structured than I was, and I 0:13:47.400 --> 0:13:49.400 think the two of us balanced each other, so it 0:13:49.520 --> 0:13:53.440 was good. Sometimes we talked about it and nice say 0:13:53.679 --> 0:13:56.079 I was really the strict one. They said, are you 0:13:56.280 --> 0:13:58.640 out of your mind? You laughed at everything we did. 0:14:00.960 --> 0:14:03.200 Can you tell me what happened that day that grandpa died. 0:14:04.160 --> 0:14:07.000 We were we were in Israel, the whole family was there. 0:14:07.480 --> 0:14:09.640 We were on a boat and he went into the water. 0:14:09.760 --> 0:14:12.880 He swung off the rope and he came back up 0:14:13.000 --> 0:14:15.760 this rope thing and he said, I don't feel good. 0:14:15.920 --> 0:14:18.520 I said, go lie down, and he had a heart 0:14:18.520 --> 0:14:23.800 attack and died. I just wish I could have met him. Honestly, 0:14:23.880 --> 0:14:27.960 it's pretty upsetting because I know how highly my dad 0:14:28.120 --> 0:14:31.480 and my uncle and aunts talked about him, and obviously you. 0:14:32.120 --> 0:14:34.680 I just wish I could have experienced what you guys 0:14:34.760 --> 0:14:38.600 did when it first happened. I think it was such 0:14:38.640 --> 0:14:42.600 a shock that I really didn't notice in transition. And 0:14:42.680 --> 0:14:45.440 it was about three months after all he died and 0:14:45.680 --> 0:14:47.840 I was on the couch and I said, oh my god, 0:14:47.920 --> 0:14:50.600 I have to get up and make dinner. And then 0:14:50.680 --> 0:14:52.840 I realized, no, I don't have to make dinner, and 0:14:52.920 --> 0:14:58.000 there's nobody here to make dinner for. And that's where 0:14:58.040 --> 0:15:00.040 it hit me that I was on my own and 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:01.960 there was nobody going to be in this big pass 0:15:02.040 --> 0:15:06.640 except me. And that's when I decided that I had 0:15:06.680 --> 0:15:09.800 to do more with my life. They just sit around 0:15:09.880 --> 0:15:16.440 and be a widow. And then I met Jim, and 0:15:17.040 --> 0:15:19.920 I decided it was time to stop being a widow 0:15:20.640 --> 0:15:24.000 and to change my life. And I moved away from 0:15:24.080 --> 0:15:27.840 Neuroshelle and we bought a huge home in Pennsylvania. And 0:15:28.000 --> 0:15:30.400 he was much much younger than I, but of course 0:15:30.560 --> 0:15:33.240 I was much younger and much thinner too, And so 0:15:33.400 --> 0:15:35.040 I was with him for six years and then I 0:15:35.120 --> 0:15:38.440 came back. I thought it was really cool where you lived. 0:15:38.720 --> 0:15:40.920 I loved going there and seeing all the dogs and 0:15:40.960 --> 0:15:43.400 the horses and the river and everything. He was a 0:15:43.400 --> 0:15:45.880 really nice guy. And there have been people who have 0:15:45.960 --> 0:15:48.680 asked me out for dinner. I would no more go 0:15:48.800 --> 0:15:51.800 out for dinner with anybody or have anything to do 0:15:51.880 --> 0:15:54.080 with another man. As long as I live, I've had 0:15:54.160 --> 0:15:56.840 my fill. I've been wined and dined by the best. 0:15:56.960 --> 0:16:01.160 I don't have to do it anymore. I hear a 0:16:01.320 --> 0:16:05.200 tremendous strength in this woman. Absolutely, she knows what she wants, 0:16:05.240 --> 0:16:08.320 and she she does what she wants, and she doesn't 0:16:08.360 --> 0:16:12.480 feel sorry for herself. She just moves right along. And 0:16:13.040 --> 0:16:17.000 you know, I, thankfully have still got my husband. He's 0:16:17.080 --> 0:16:20.960 not well, but but he's here. He goes three days 0:16:21.000 --> 0:16:25.120 a week for dialysis and drives himself. But I I 0:16:25.600 --> 0:16:28.680 have this fear in my heart all the time, what 0:16:28.840 --> 0:16:31.960 if something happens to him and all? But I know 0:16:32.160 --> 0:16:35.160 that I'll be okay. You'll be okay. You're a strong lady, 0:16:35.720 --> 0:16:38.640 because I'm tough, and because I have a wonderful family. 0:16:39.400 --> 0:16:44.320 I have a very supportive family, and obviously she does too. Yeah. 0:16:44.800 --> 0:16:47.240 I think that she feels that love and that support 0:16:47.320 --> 0:16:50.000 from her family, and I think that that's one of 0:16:50.080 --> 0:16:53.120 the ways that she's able to to move on. Look, 0:16:53.480 --> 0:16:57.360 you know what we all have to learn. Life hands 0:16:57.400 --> 0:16:59.680 you a deck of cards, and what you pick up 0:16:59.760 --> 0:17:04.959 it's how you play it. All right, I'm now reading 0:17:05.560 --> 0:17:10.840 What's coming up next Part four, Maybe gets lucky. H 0:17:14.560 --> 0:17:17.000 Do you have any unusual hobbies that I don't know about. 0:17:17.400 --> 0:17:19.240 I don't know what. What's a hobby? You used to 0:17:19.280 --> 0:17:23.200 pool around with young guys? Was that a hobby? I 0:17:23.359 --> 0:17:27.800 like gambling, that's a hobby. I didn't know that side 0:17:28.400 --> 0:17:33.159 you play? I played and craps. And you heard the 0:17:33.240 --> 0:17:36.840 story when Jamie and I went to that big hotel 0:17:36.880 --> 0:17:40.480 in the Bahamas. At any rate, we went down there 0:17:40.560 --> 0:17:43.680 and it started to rain at the pool, so I said, 0:17:43.800 --> 0:17:46.480 I put on my little schmata and I went inside 0:17:46.520 --> 0:17:48.600 to the casino and took a hundred dollar bill with me. 0:17:49.200 --> 0:17:51.479 I put the hundred dollar bill in the slot machine 0:17:51.920 --> 0:17:55.639 and the bells went off. It was crazy. So I 0:17:55.800 --> 0:17:58.240 said to this woman, how much shod I win? And 0:17:58.320 --> 0:18:02.720 she said, I said, are you out of your mind? 0:18:03.080 --> 0:18:06.840 How much did I win? She said two dollars. I 0:18:06.920 --> 0:18:09.399 had smoked in years. I said to her, I'd like 0:18:09.480 --> 0:18:11.440 a Scotch on the rocks and could have one of 0:18:11.480 --> 0:18:15.560 those cigarous plates. And I sat right up smoking, and 0:18:15.680 --> 0:18:18.080 I went over and I called Jamie there. I was 0:18:18.200 --> 0:18:20.800 so nonchalant, and the minute I saw that, I started 0:18:20.880 --> 0:18:23.760 jumping up and down like a lunatic. That was excited. 0:18:24.720 --> 0:18:27.600 Then while we were waiting, there was a machine right 0:18:27.680 --> 0:18:29.480 next to it. I put a ten dollar billing and 0:18:29.560 --> 0:18:35.000 I wont undred hundred dollars. I sent to Barbara and Jamie, 0:18:35.040 --> 0:18:37.440 here you take this, this is yours. That was the 0:18:37.520 --> 0:18:39.320 last time I hit like that. I gotta go to 0:18:39.359 --> 0:18:44.520 the casino with you. We had a friend who used 0:18:44.520 --> 0:18:48.160 to go regularly to Atlantic City and he got camped 0:18:48.200 --> 0:18:50.920 downe everything. So one of a few times they would 0:18:50.920 --> 0:18:53.120 invite us we play a little. I used to play 0:18:53.160 --> 0:18:56.040 a little twenty one. But you know what, you never win. 0:18:56.160 --> 0:18:58.960 If you play long enough, you never win. I went 0:18:59.080 --> 0:19:03.320 through ang face and growing up in Brooklyn it wasn't 0:19:03.400 --> 0:19:09.200 mar Young it was. And when I lived in Showy 0:19:09.320 --> 0:19:12.119 Hill it was a whole brand new community. And one 0:19:12.200 --> 0:19:13.960 day a girl knocked at my door and she said 0:19:14.000 --> 0:19:16.440 to me, do you play Majong? I said, I know 0:19:16.520 --> 0:19:18.680 how to play. She says, a group of the girls 0:19:18.720 --> 0:19:21.000 are getting together and would like you to come. So 0:19:21.119 --> 0:19:23.320 we go to her house. We go, we play mang 0:19:23.400 --> 0:19:27.600 and after one hand, she says, anybody want to smoke? 0:19:27.920 --> 0:19:31.920 And she takes out a box and it's loaded with 0:19:32.200 --> 0:19:36.600 pot I had never had that in my life, but 0:19:36.760 --> 0:19:39.240 everybody else was doing it, so I did it too. 0:19:40.160 --> 0:19:43.399 Every Wednesday night we went to the house, we played 0:19:43.480 --> 0:19:47.040 one hand to ban and got stoned out of our 0:19:47.119 --> 0:19:51.639 mind that I would I would come home. I would 0:19:51.920 --> 0:19:54.680 eat anything that wasn't nailed down and go to sleep. 0:19:55.000 --> 0:19:59.400 My husband never knew. Never. They don't know if anything 0:19:59.520 --> 0:20:03.240 in fun in them? What are you talking about? You 0:20:03.400 --> 0:20:05.920 could have an orgasm in front of them. They would 0:20:05.960 --> 0:20:08.520 never know what I mean, you know, mend them on 0:20:08.640 --> 0:20:14.440 another planet. How can I tell you? Okay? Later, time 0:20:14.520 --> 0:20:18.439 to go to commercial. Okay, somebody has to pay the bills. 0:20:27.640 --> 0:20:32.600 Part five. Judge Me, Me Me. My daughter Jamie was 0:20:32.640 --> 0:20:35.520 an excellent gymnasism. Matter of fact, my daughter has the 0:20:35.560 --> 0:20:38.960 biggest gymnastics school in the East. It's called Galaxy Gymnastics. 0:20:39.080 --> 0:20:42.640 I actually had more than one birthday party at Galaxy. 0:20:43.160 --> 0:20:45.320 It was so much fun there. So I would take 0:20:45.400 --> 0:20:49.200 her to gymnastics every single day, and then I would 0:20:49.200 --> 0:20:51.320 sit on the floor and one day I said to 0:20:51.359 --> 0:20:53.480 her coach, what would happen if you put this move 0:20:53.600 --> 0:20:56.280 with that move? And she said, damn, you've been watching 0:20:56.400 --> 0:21:00.440 gymnastics way too long. There's a course being given just 0:21:00.680 --> 0:21:03.080 for high school gymnastics. Why don't you just take it? 0:21:03.920 --> 0:21:07.240 So I took that course, and then I took another course, 0:21:07.480 --> 0:21:10.280 and then I took another test and another test, and 0:21:10.400 --> 0:21:14.560 that started in nineteen four and I have been judging now. 0:21:14.680 --> 0:21:16.879 I'm just doing high school. Of course, I'm not going 0:21:16.920 --> 0:21:18.920 to travel or anything like that. I wish I could 0:21:18.920 --> 0:21:20.520 be able to see you do that. It would have 0:21:20.520 --> 0:21:23.080 been really cool. But I'll tell you how interesting it is. 0:21:23.200 --> 0:21:26.000 I was judging this girl on the floor and these 0:21:26.080 --> 0:21:28.240 two women came over to me and they said to me, 0:21:28.920 --> 0:21:32.879 Mrs Winkler, and I said yes. They said, you judged me. 0:21:33.680 --> 0:21:36.639 The mother said you judged me, and then the granddaughter 0:21:36.720 --> 0:21:39.720 said you judged me. So that was three generations of 0:21:39.800 --> 0:21:42.240 my judging them. And all the traveling you did to 0:21:42.320 --> 0:21:44.920 judge gymnastics led to another big change in your life. 0:21:45.040 --> 0:21:48.120 Right judging a meat in Germany and seeing this little 0:21:48.160 --> 0:21:50.840 white dog. I've always loved dogs, and I asked her 0:21:50.920 --> 0:21:52.679 what kind of dog is that and they said, up 0:21:52.720 --> 0:21:55.840 be Shaan Fries And I said, God, I think I 0:21:55.960 --> 0:21:58.280 like that dog. And we always had old English sheep dogs, 0:21:58.320 --> 0:22:00.320 so they were big. I came home I went to 0:22:00.400 --> 0:22:03.320 a dog show and I stopped a breeder and I 0:22:03.400 --> 0:22:06.520 asked her about her dog. She said, I will sell 0:22:06.600 --> 0:22:08.240 you this one that you seem to be in love with, 0:22:08.359 --> 0:22:10.919 but she's a show girl, and will you show her 0:22:11.440 --> 0:22:16.080 and always haven't been competitive? I said absolutely, And then 0:22:16.200 --> 0:22:17.960 she said and then you'd have to have a litter 0:22:18.080 --> 0:22:21.000 and I get a puppy back, and she explained what 0:22:21.160 --> 0:22:23.879 all that meant to me, and I kind of like 0:22:24.040 --> 0:22:27.000 the idea. Then here I am thirty three years later, 0:22:27.680 --> 0:22:32.040 with having n champions, top dogs all over the world, 0:22:32.280 --> 0:22:36.520 a winner at Westminster Kendle Club, and judging in Japan 0:22:36.800 --> 0:22:40.000 and China. That's a major accomplishment that I've done all 0:22:40.040 --> 0:22:42.440 on my own. I'm proud of myself and doing all that. 0:22:45.080 --> 0:22:49.240 I think that she's so open to what life brings 0:22:49.280 --> 0:22:51.600 her and she grabs it, she takes it, and she 0:22:51.760 --> 0:22:54.920 runs with it. I think that that's a tremendous way 0:22:55.000 --> 0:22:58.479 to be. It's amazing how she becomes judges so easily 0:22:58.560 --> 0:23:01.520 and felt quickly. She she's got a very modern way 0:23:01.600 --> 0:23:05.000 of thinking. She really filled her life beautifully and she's 0:23:05.040 --> 0:23:08.400 a terrific example for our grandchildren. I love that she's 0:23:08.400 --> 0:23:12.040 a dog person, because having dogs opened a big door 0:23:12.119 --> 0:23:15.399 in my life. When I first got into using a 0:23:15.520 --> 0:23:18.600