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Speaker 1: Really really talks.

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Speaker 2: Look at us now, tip to tip.

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Speaker 3: This is our life, this is our passion.

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Speaker 1: That's the spirit we bring to this show.

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Speaker 2: I'm Thomas, I'm Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 4: Is this this Morning Combat?

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we are back at it. We're actually together.

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Speaker 2: Oh to the Yeah, like the best looking pimple on

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Speaker 2: the ass of a dying sports media industry. This is

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Speaker 2: the best thing going that you guys got left. It's

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Speaker 2: called Morning Combat. It's Wednesday, September sixth, twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 2: So get humped because we're back at it together. No illnesses,

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Speaker 2: at least, not any of that are terminal. But we

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Speaker 2: are here to bang just the same. I'm the beige guy,

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Speaker 2: Brian Campbell, the beige bastard and all that babie. There's

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Speaker 2: a lot of letters involved. How about a new letter?

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Speaker 2: Because I was told Luke Thomas, my co host, that

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Speaker 2: these brand new progressives that my old ass now is

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Speaker 2: forced to wear kind of makes me look like a

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Speaker 2: white Malcolm X. You agree with that.

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Speaker 4: No, it looks like you peeled those off the corpse

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Speaker 4: of Barbara Walters. Uh and you had no other option.

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Speaker 4: You look terrible, but I'm glad you can.

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Speaker 2: See you know, my wife kind of echoed that statement.

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Speaker 2: Not her favorite pair. But you know, I kind of

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Speaker 2: think that I'm this is a little bit of a reinvention.

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Speaker 2: I went high and tight again, you know, just like

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Speaker 2: you're or at least my ambitions college wise, at least

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Speaker 2: in terms of women. But I think I've I've flipped

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Speaker 2: the script a little bit. I think I've I've fought

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Speaker 2: the aging curve. And you would have to argue right

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Speaker 2: now that I could pass for thirty four. I think

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Speaker 2: I could right now.

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Speaker 1: I really do just a head in what society.

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Speaker 2: Polite society. Look, Okay, that's where I belong. Okay, thank

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Speaker 2: you very much.

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Speaker 1: Well what did you get diagnosed with? Are you near

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Speaker 2: I don't understand terms, but I needed byfocals and then

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Speaker 2: they offered these really so look, it turns out spoiler alert.

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Speaker 2: Here at Paramount, the label that really pays us, we

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Speaker 2: have like fantaslastic dude vision insurance.

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Speaker 4: Like I'll say this, it's the best health insurance I've

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Speaker 4: ever had at any job ever, period, right, Like it's

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Speaker 2: So I'm happy It'll be trying this out, Luke. We'll

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Speaker 2: you know, there's headaches. You know, I've got to get

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Speaker 2: used to it, right, Do you drive with them? No,

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Speaker 2: they're not supposed to be for that, Luke. They're supposed

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Speaker 4: Okay, So when your pants are around dr ankles, you

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Speaker 4: got your glasses on?

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Speaker 1: Now, huh? Unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: Unbelievable, Luke, You've got some explaining to do. Are you dying?

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Speaker 2: Is this show dying? Could you let people know that

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Speaker 2: you're gonna make it?

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Speaker 4: I know, I'm okay, I'm okay. I mean, basically, just

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Speaker 1: I've always had problem, you know what it was? I

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Speaker 4: It all started when I did the MMA or in

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Speaker 4: I actually got some some rest on vacation. But yeah,

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Speaker 4: the issue is basically, you know, there's just been some

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Speaker 1: But I'm working on it.

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Speaker 4: I'm with a doctor now, so yeah, I mean cautiously optimistic.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna work my way through this.

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Speaker 2: incredible tribute show. But then look the show on morning. Hell,

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Speaker 2: the is he Is he a righty or lefty? Luke?

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Speaker 1: Right, I'm yeah, and my daughter too.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, I got two kids that are lefties, Luke.

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Speaker 2: That's you know whatever, whatever, Right there, you go, right there.

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Speaker 2: continue to set the stage for UFC two ninety three

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Speaker 2: this Saturday evening, Sydney, Australia. You may have experienced already

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Speaker 2: our pregame preview with Chuck Mindenhall that you can find

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Speaker 2: right now YouTube dot com slash Morning Combat. Looking at

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Speaker 2: all that. Today we're gonna get a little bit deeper.

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Speaker 2: React to media Day yesterday and spin it forward for

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Speaker 2: Middleway Championship and also big comeback fight for Tychyvasa at heavyweight.

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Speaker 2: Look at the latest news. What the hell's going on

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Speaker 2: with Bullmeck and this pistol? A lot to get into

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Speaker 2: soul little time, and yes, you're gonna see some shit

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Speaker 2: at the end of this episode. It's been too long.

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Speaker 2: You got BC and Luke back together. For as long

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Speaker 2: as this thing lasts last, I'm ready to go here

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Speaker 2: Mikey Morms and CBS Sports on the ones and twos

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Speaker 2: and of course Luke. Showtime one of the fantastic labels

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Speaker 2: MMA boxing, I mean, Bill Cosby Docs, everything you'd want more, Uh,

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Speaker 2: I've been sharing. So it's gonna be this Friday, September eighth,

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Speaker 2: what it will be worth. The wait, the quality, the

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Speaker 4: Morningcombat Dot Store to get the merch. It is a

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Speaker 2: You know, so you can get your whatever you need here. Also, also,

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Speaker 2: we're up for another one World MMA Awards Best MMA Programming.

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Speaker 2: We gotta beat Halwane. We gotta be anik in Florian,

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Speaker 2: There's the QR code right there. Also, Friend of the

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Speaker 4: Battle is like the Harlem Globetrotters versus the Washington Generals, right,

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Speaker 4: I mean it's just you kind of know who's gonna

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Speaker 2: Really well, here's what's interesting is John Morgan Luke on

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Speaker 2: the inaugural Best MMA Journalist award for Fight Magazine's World

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Speaker 2: MMA Awards. Ariel then won the next twelve to thirteen

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Speaker 4: Just a different time in MMA, Just a different time

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Speaker 2: All right, Maybe he just wasn't better than John Morgan

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Speaker 2: boys over here at the MK. Enough bs, it's time

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Speaker 2: to get into it, Luke. Are you ready? Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: I say predator. I mean Schwarzenegger, this is.

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Speaker 2: classes at a community college right now, Luke, Right, that

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Speaker 4: I gotta tell you BC people are not siice for

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Speaker 1: And that's not even me hating on it.

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Speaker 1: Quite hit you as much when you have to do that.

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Speaker 4: Teele's man, The fans are not that size for this.

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Speaker 2: that's the truth, straight up. This, this fight card blows.

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Speaker 2: Definitely a couple of things worth focusing on, certainly the

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Speaker 2: in Sydney, it's gonna be Israel Ata Sonia. I was wrong.

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Speaker 4: There's not that kind of mystery or intrigue with that

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Speaker 2: Whether we are overlooking Sean Strickld too much, but Luke

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Speaker 2: he believes he's a last I checked a chinaman Luke

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Speaker 4: There's probably an element of truth to both of them,

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Speaker 2: Well listen, stay right there, stay right there, because I

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Speaker 1: Well, I don't even understand the nature of the pushback

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Speaker 4: Smash it and you know, make a big kind of

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Speaker 4: You can hate me for my choices. That's okay too.

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Speaker 2: I wish you had kept that same energy when we

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Speaker 2: And no, it was just like it turns out, it

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Speaker 1: We didn't get to die from that me. NBC didn't.

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Speaker 2: all the other great usman against I mean, Leon Edwards

434
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Speaker 2: against Usman, you know, Poeton against Is. We've seen a

435
00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:01,520
Speaker 2: lot of craziness lately, but I want to keep this

436
00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:05,000
Speaker 2: more on terms of the actual chances here of Strickland

437
00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:08,119
Speaker 2: actually winning this fight. Some people are comparison some of

438
00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:11,880
Speaker 2: the last minute nature of how this middleweight tight middleweight

439
00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:15,240
Speaker 2: title fight was constructed to that of UFC one ninety nine,

440
00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:19,320
Speaker 2: the rematch between Michael Bisbey and Luke Rockold. Now that

441
00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:21,280
Speaker 2: was different because it was a rematch of a one

442
00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:24,080
Speaker 2: sided fight which Rocold had won two years ago and

443
00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:27,879
Speaker 2: stopped him in Australia. But Luke last minute switch on

444
00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:31,120
Speaker 2: opponent and somebody who from the standpoint of, you know,

445
00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:34,000
Speaker 2: not just one one strike power, but the idea of

446
00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:37,320
Speaker 2: is it possible for Sean Strickland to do this? Dude,

447
00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:39,879
Speaker 2: we didn't give Michael Bisbing a freaking chance at one

448
00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:43,359
Speaker 2: ninety nine. Are these similar parallels to at least throw

449
00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:45,800
Speaker 2: out there and say, hey man, maybe we should look

450
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Speaker 2: at this match up a little bit closer.

451
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Speaker 4: So let me before I answer that question, let me

452
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Speaker 4: just see one thing, because I actually interviewed Michael Bisping

453
00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:55,480
Speaker 4: when that fight was announced. At the time, we were

454
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Speaker 4: both working for Sirius Exam and our producer Marissa.

455
00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:01,760
Speaker 1: Us to do an interview, and that was one where

456
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Speaker 1: it was like.

457
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I'd asked him because he was on

458
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Speaker 4: a movie set at the time. Have you guys recalled

459
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Speaker 4: that he was on a movie set I think in

460
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Speaker 4: like Toronto or something at the time when he got

461
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Speaker 4: the call to do that, and there was a question

462
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Speaker 4: like could.

463
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Speaker 1: You even make the weight? And he had some amazing

464
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Speaker 1: fucking quote on my.

465
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Speaker 4: Show about you know, if God is real and blah

466
00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:22,000
Speaker 4: blah blah, and you can walk on water by God,

467
00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:24,399
Speaker 4: I'll make weight or something for that effect. But okay,

468
00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:27,440
Speaker 4: so here's the deal. He had fought that. That fight

469
00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:30,840
Speaker 4: was in June of twenty sixteen. In his last before

470
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Speaker 4: that was the Anderson Silva, the brutal fight that was

471
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Speaker 4: in February, So that was, let's see February, March, April May.

472
00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:41,840
Speaker 4: June's about four months later. Yeah, I mean he got

473
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Speaker 4: that announcement on what ten days notice something.

474
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Speaker 1: Like that, like two mins. Yeah, yeah, I mean this

475
00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:49,040
Speaker 1: is not that at all.

476
00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:52,920
Speaker 4: And Sean Strickland like, how recent was the Abusmagamadel fight

477
00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,239
Speaker 4: not that long ago, which I've argued was a bit

478
00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:57,440
Speaker 4: of a tune up fight, which I think is gonna

479
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Speaker 4: actually make him more ready for this contest in terms

480
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Speaker 4: of staying fresh.

481
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Speaker 1: And then also, you.

482
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Speaker 4: Know, was able to get a kind of all of

483
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Speaker 4: this like a little bit of a camp before, a

484
00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:08,639
Speaker 4: little bit of a camp after fight in the middle

485
00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:12,000
Speaker 4: just a real great opportunity to stay fresh. But the

486
00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,960
Speaker 4: bis being one was highly implausible. I think rock Hold

487
00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:17,399
Speaker 4: was coming off of he had beaten Wideman. I'm not

488
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Speaker 4: sure who else he had beaten by that point. Let

489
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Speaker 4: me see you here very quickly if I may. Yeah,

490
00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:25,000
Speaker 4: he had beaten h he had beaten Bisping, Machietah, then

491
00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:28,160
Speaker 4: Wideman then lost to Bisbick. So he had just beaten

492
00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:31,600
Speaker 4: Chris Wideman in this huge showdown at middleweight where these

493
00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:33,840
Speaker 4: two guys were like absolutely on a collision course, the

494
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Speaker 4: strike Force champion and the UFC champion.

495
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Speaker 1: Kind of meeting in the middle.

496
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Speaker 4: Luke rock Hold wins that contest Like that was peak

497
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Speaker 4: Luke Rockold. People did not expect Michael Bisping off of

498
00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:46,120
Speaker 4: a fucking movie set and that brutal Anderson Silver fight

499
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Speaker 4: to go in there.

500
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Speaker 2: He got dominated, he got dominated by rock Cold and

501
00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:50,879
Speaker 2: at first, yeah he got me.

502
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Speaker 1: He got For folks who don't remember, that was a

503
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Speaker 1: card in Australia when Michael Bisbin got one armed guillotine

504
00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:59,679
Speaker 1: by Luke Rockold, when they had fought previously, so like

505
00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:02,000
Speaker 1: there was already that Like, this is not like that

506
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:02,280
Speaker 1: at all.

507
00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:04,960
Speaker 4: A lot of people want to make historical parallels to

508
00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:08,320
Speaker 4: very different kinds of situations. Now what again, What I

509
00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:10,800
Speaker 4: will say is that tune up fight he got against

510
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:13,560
Speaker 4: Mega Madoff. I think that will serve him well. He

511
00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,280
Speaker 4: is obviously a very experienced fighter. He's got maybe one

512
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:18,479
Speaker 4: of the best, if not the best coaches in the

513
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,199
Speaker 4: entire game. Like, there's a lot of like wind at

514
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:25,800
Speaker 4: his back relatively speaking, that will serve him well in

515
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:29,320
Speaker 4: this contest. But is it like the Michael Bisping scenario.

516
00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:31,320
Speaker 4: I think that's a stretch of a comparison. No, I

517
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:32,040
Speaker 4: don't think that is it.

518
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,960
Speaker 2: I think Bisping's a better fighter overall than Strickland. The

519
00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:37,760
Speaker 2: comparison might make sense on their fighting styles and the

520
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,480
Speaker 2: fact that we didn't look at Bisping like a finisher.

521
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:42,960
Speaker 2: But the reason why bisbeing was able to beautifully land

522
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,560
Speaker 2: that that sort of perfect, you know, short left hook

523
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 2: that that rocked rock Hold and set him up for

524
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:51,240
Speaker 2: the finish was arrogance. Luke Rockold was operating.

525
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Speaker 1: Luke.

526
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Speaker 2: That's his biggest weakness and always has been Luke Rockol

527
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,800
Speaker 2: was operating at an alarming amount of arrogance in that fight,

528
00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 2: two years removed from dominating and finishing Bisping. This is

529
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,960
Speaker 2: easy we're talking about, not impossible that the champion could

530
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 2: take his eye off the ball. But this is also

531
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:08,879
Speaker 2: easy that we're talking about. So look, let's look at

532
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:12,640
Speaker 2: the x's and no's and look at Strickland's true chance here. Stylistically,

533
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 2: what do you think is the biggest question Strickland would

534
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:17,400
Speaker 2: have to answer to get this done?

535
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:23,159
Speaker 4: Honestly, I mean, let's okay, I know you hate these qualifications,

536
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:24,639
Speaker 4: but let me say it one time, because I do

537
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,920
Speaker 4: think it's important. You know, I watched Matt Sarah beat

538
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 4: gsp i' live. I watched Holly Holm beat Ronda live.

539
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 4: I have seen some insane upsets like when you least

540
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:36,640
Speaker 4: expect it, and I think the name I was trying

541
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:38,199
Speaker 4: to think of last week was Tim Elliot when he

542
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:41,439
Speaker 4: didn't upset Demetris Johnson. But like guys, you wouldn't have

543
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:43,760
Speaker 4: peg to have given DJ in his prime a tough

544
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,359
Speaker 4: fight tim Elliott did. There's some weight bully issues there,

545
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,919
Speaker 4: but nevertheless it was a difficult contest for him. So

546
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 4: like MMA is fucking insane and crazy things happen. I

547
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:54,920
Speaker 4: would be surprised if sean one, but not like crazy surprise.

548
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,439
Speaker 4: You make one mistake and the whole thing can cost you.

549
00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 1: But BC, like Izzy is not just good at managing risk,

550
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:10,679
Speaker 1: but he is good at maintaining focus, not just in

551
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:12,680
Speaker 1: a fight or in a round, but through the course

552
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 1: of this championship run. Like even when he got beat

553
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 1: by Yamblhovich, there were some questions about how he had

554
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 1: evaluated himself and then the game plan and whether or

555
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 1: not he was ready for two h five.

556
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 4: But he didn't go in there unprepared. He didn't lose

557
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:27,240
Speaker 4: that because he wasn't focused enough. Right, That's never really

558
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:27,919
Speaker 4: been the issue.

559
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 1: The issue. I mean, it got a.

560
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:31,639
Speaker 4: Little bit of that against the Potta fight, the first

561
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 4: MMA contest, but even then not really. So I bring

562
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,920
Speaker 4: this all up to say, yeah, if Isy isn't himself,

563
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 4: then I think this is a you know, a different

564
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 4: kind of ballgame.

565
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 1: But part of one of the.

566
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Speaker 4: Hallmarks of his success is just that's not a thing

567
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,960
Speaker 4: he typically ever has to worry about. So if that's

568
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,159
Speaker 4: the case, if that's the kind of fight we're talking about,

569
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 4: and it's on the feet, dude.

570
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 1: I just don't think he can win on the feed.

571
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:53,640
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't.

572
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,919
Speaker 4: It would take a massive error or an injury or

573
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,440
Speaker 4: something like that on the part of Izzy to get

574
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 4: caught back enough to lose on the feet.

575
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 1: I really believe.

576
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,440
Speaker 4: That, Sean, if he has any chance at victory, it's

577
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 4: got to be in the wrestling, or to bare minimum,

578
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 4: some kind of grind him up, wear him down, you know,

579
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 4: sort of effort in that way.

580
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 1: Short of that, I just it would it would.

581
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 4: It's it would be one of those situations where the

582
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:20,359
Speaker 4: only way I could really envision it was if is

583
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 4: he was lacking focus or made some kind of cataclysmic error.

584
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 4: I don't see how you wins without it.

585
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 2: Well, as he's thirteen and one in the UFC at middleweight,

586
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,680
Speaker 2: we know the one and he's fresh off of avenging

587
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 2: that in April by devastating knockouts. So a lot for

588
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:37,879
Speaker 2: Strickland to have to deal with. Also, when you're not

589
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 2: known as a finisher, but you brought up I think

590
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 2: the most important question here the idea of will Strickland wrestle. Well,

591
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,880
Speaker 2: we do have some sound from Strickland and before I

592
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,640
Speaker 2: we throw to it here from media Day Luke. Let's

593
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:51,680
Speaker 2: remember one thing I know, I harp on UFC two

594
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 2: thirty six a lot because of the emotional connection of

595
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:57,880
Speaker 2: seeing such an incredible inner middleway title fight between Isy

596
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 2: and Kelvin Gastolum true or false outside of Poeton's big

597
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 2: fifth round finish. If there is any form of a

598
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 2: blueprint on how to fight Izzy and give them trouble,

599
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:12,400
Speaker 2: has it been Kelvin Gasolon at middlewaight?

600
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 4: Because I was gonna have the answer is gonna be Gombohovich.

601
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 4: But you're saying at one eight five.

602
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:20,919
Speaker 2: Yes, what I'm talking about where he's thirteen and one

603
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 2: in the UFC.

604
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 4: Yes, although that is he doesn't fight quite the same anymore.

605
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 4: But I would honestly say, I think to me the

606
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 4: much more interesting challenge for Izzy is going to be

607
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 4: Hamzad or bow Nickel type, no.

608
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:36,160
Speaker 2: Doubt about it. But from a certainly from a striking standpoint,

609
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:37,920
Speaker 2: I always like to throw it out there. But let's

610
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 2: let's play into it here. Here's Sean Strickland answering questions

611
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 2: post to him about comments his own trainer, Eric Nixon

612
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,119
Speaker 2: made regarding the wrestling. Let's go to this.

613
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,680
Speaker 6: Well, look, he sort of said that you're gonna have

614
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 6: to create a lot more chaos in this fight because

615
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 6: he believes if you stay at range or at length

616
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 6: with Easy, then it could be a long Kno, what

617
00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 6: kind of chaos are you going to try and implement Sunday?

618
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:02,640
Speaker 7: You know, man, I just gotta I got, I gotta

619
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:06,120
Speaker 7: embrace Miander Kelvin Gaslin and just go nose and nose

620
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 7: dick to dick. I think we all know that you

621
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:09,400
Speaker 7: don't want to stand at range with Izzy. You want

622
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 7: to fucking go toe to toe, make it a war,

623
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 7: make it a dogfight, and accept it either whin you

624
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,919
Speaker 7: get knocked out, and you know what, let's fucking go.

625
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:17,919
Speaker 2: Let's have that party.

626
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 6: Yeah, and just one quick one.

627
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,360
Speaker 4: He's right, dude, he's you know what. I fucking love

628
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,919
Speaker 4: that answer there. You are not going to duel with

629
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 4: him on the outside and win. He's just better than

630
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 4: everyone at one five. But you could maybe maybe get

631
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 4: up in his face and make it something difficult and

632
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 4: violent and hard to manage. And you might get absolutely

633
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 4: slept doing that too, but you at least got your

634
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 4: You have a chance. You have a chance with that one.

635
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 2: Well, you heard it. In Strickland's words, there he understands

636
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 2: the risk involved in that, he's willing to take it.

637
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:54,719
Speaker 2: And if you, you know, you look at properly at

638
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 2: what he's done Strickland at the highest level. Yeah, yes,

639
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 2: he lost that split decision a canon hear that could

640
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 2: have gone either way with the knockout loss to Poeton,

641
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 2: was him incorrectly sort of trying that same thing. We know, Luke,

642
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 2: he's bold enough, crazy enough if you will, to put

643
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 2: himself potentially in a shot to win. You have to

644
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 2: believe he's gonna have to learn that lesson from Pooton

645
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 2: where he was too open to be hit against a

646
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 2: big slugger. But he's gonna have to utilize what really

647
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 2: is his true strength, the ability to move his head

648
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 2: in his trunk and get in close range and get

649
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 2: into a little bit of a striking trading war with

650
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 2: you more on his aggressive terms. Now certainly not an

651
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 2: easy prospect against Izzy, who may or may not be

652
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 2: the greatest striker in UFC history. But Luke, before we

653
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 2: get to Izzy, sort of responding to these comments from

654
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 2: Strickland and sharing his own take on the demeanor of Strickland,

655
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 2: do you believe there's any element of Strickland that would,

656
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 2: since he's known as as a playful guy, try to

657
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 2: put forth an idea that he won't wrestle. But really,

658
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, that's the game plan.

659
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 2: Is there some trickery here on the microphone? Does it matter?

660
00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 1: Does it matter? I mean, I don't, dude.

661
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 4: We're talking about the best middleweight in the world, the

662
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 4: second best middleweight of all time, and maybe if he

663
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,479
Speaker 4: sticks around, who's to say he couldn't overtake it. Like

664
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 4: these are just fuck fuck games that anyone that good

665
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 4: is gonna see right through, or even if you try him,

666
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 4: it won't matter. Like these are not relevant questions when

667
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 4: you're fighting a guy this fucking good, you know, so

668
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 4: I think he will mix it up to your point, Like.

669
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong, I mean he's gonna he's.

670
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 4: Gonna try some level of actual strategic trickery or you know,

671
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 4: whatever he can to you know, make this a much

672
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 4: more dynamic affair.

673
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 1: I think that's a very fair point.

674
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 4: But like these kind of mind games, like you're talking

675
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 4: about one of the best guys to ever do it,

676
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 4: it's just not you're wasting your time.

677
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 2: I only bring that up, because look, if we're making

678
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 2: that Gasulum comparison, I don't think Strickland is the athlete

679
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 2: Gastulum is, nor has that combination of speed and power.

680
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 2: And on that specific night on two thirty six, a

681
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 2: big part of Gasolm getting to Izzy and hurting him

682
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 2: was not only the risk, but the daring nature of

683
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 2: the angles he was cutting and sort of that aggressive

684
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 2: jump in and out style that he was bringing. That's

685
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 2: not Strickland. Stricklin I'll be in front of you, would

686
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 2: be putting the pressure on you, the punchos will be coming,

687
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 2: but I don't think there's that same level of danger.

688
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 2: So is he setting them up? I don't know. Well,

689
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 2: let's hear what is he has to say. Here's a son.

690
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 2: You're reacting to some of the words Strickland has said

691
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 2: this week about the game plan, and also whether is

692
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 2: he believes that he'll wrestle.

693
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 5: Do you think that's sort of an example of how

694
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 5: he's really fitting about the fight or is that just

695
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 5: how he's trying to push the nerves off until the

696
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 5: end of the week.

697
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 8: I think that makes him really dangerous. I think that's uh,

698
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 8: that's that's what makes him dangerous. He doesn't care. He

699
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 8: knows I'm gonna beat him, so he doesn't care. He's

700
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 8: gonna try and do his best to beat me by

701
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 8: any means necessary. I've been there before, even my last fight,

702
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 8: I knew I could beat this guy. I was like,

703
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,479
Speaker 8: I can fucking beat this guy. I almost beat him

704
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 8: every fucking time, and I beat him the first time.

705
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 8: But I know I can beat this guy. And then

706
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 8: you know, he ended up beating me. But I'll just like, Okay,

707
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 8: everyone's counting me out. I'm the underdog. So I was like, right, bet,

708
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 8: I'm going to use this and I don't care. I'm

709
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 8: going to give everything to this fight. And that makes

710
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 8: you a dangerous man. A man with nothing to lose

711
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 8: and everything to gain is a dangerous man.

712
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 5: He He admits that before the Prayer fight he should

713
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 5: have wrestled. He should have gone in there, and then

714
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 5: he didn't.

715
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 1: Right.

716
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 5: He goes in there and he wants to prove a point.

717
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 5: He said, the ahead of your fight, he's I've been restling.

718
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 5: I've been wrestling, but sometimes you go in there and

719
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 5: it goes out.

720
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 1: Of his head.

721
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 5: Do you think he'll have an ego about his own

722
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 5: stand up that when this guy who's supposing superior. He'll

723
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 5: have to match you or will he shoot.

724
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 1: For the last.

725
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 8: I mean, he did say he's a better striker than me,

726
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 8: so I'll welcome him to try.

727
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 1: But I think his team is too smart. You know.

728
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 8: You know he's got he trains the extreme Gutor's got

729
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 8: Eric raceTo and them and his team.

730
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 1: So he if he listens to his coaches, this is different.

731
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 8: This is not just a regular fight that his ego's

732
00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 8: gonna take him place.

733
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 1: He won this. I know he wants that.

734
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 8: He tries to push it away, like you say, just

735
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 8: to like, I guess, so I don't.

736
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 1: How do you do? What do you call it? Like?

737
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 8: Just like to relieve yourself off the pressure, if you will.

738
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 8: But I think he's gonna wrestle. I think he's gonna wrestle.

739
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 8: And I got something for his ass because me and

740
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 8: my buddy Craig Jones be hanging out a lot, a lot.

741
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 8: So we've been around the world, we've been training, and

742
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 8: I've been doing this for a long time and I'm

743
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 8: yet to you know, you choke him motherfucker out.

744
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 2: So look, if he's hanging around with coach Craig, you know,

745
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 2: I mean it worked for work for John ahead of

746
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 2: the first Gustason fight, But I don't know about that. Okay, seriously,

747
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 2: Craig Jones has done incredible Volkanovski teammate of Eusy, So

748
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 2: that makes it interesting. You're here, is he talking about

749
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 2: I want to get my first submission, not afraid if

750
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 2: the fight goes there. I also think Luke, that answer

751
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 2: overall shows you how dialed in the champ is. Right here,

752
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 2: he knows that how big of an underdog Strickling is.

753
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 2: But it's almost like he's delighting in the idea of

754
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 2: bring that shit to me. You want to try to

755
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 2: wrestle me, do it, you know what I mean? But

756
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 2: I think you're gonna try to stand and bang, and

757
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 2: if you do, I'm gonna you know, I'm gonna take

758
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 2: you out of there.

759
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:10,839
Speaker 1: Yeah.

760
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,360
Speaker 4: I mean the other part too, is you heard what

761
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 4: he said, Like what makes him dangerous is he probably

762
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 4: knows he's gonna lose, so he's just gonna be fuck it.

763
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 4: Let's just go with whatever game plan, you know, some

764
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 4: wild ass affair which is almost certainly going to get

765
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 4: him and if he pursues that is almost certainly going

766
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 4: to get him knocked out. Which we just previously discussed,

767
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 4: but at least opens the door to the possibility of

768
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 4: is he getting clipped or making a mistake much more

769
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 4: easily than he ordinarily would be, so he kind of

770
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 4: has to avoid that.

771
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: But he understands, you know, the nature of what this

772
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 1: guy's in.

773
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 4: I mean, dude, is he has had like how many

774
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 4: fights between boxing, kickboxing and MMA at this point, you know, like,

775
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 4: I mean a couple hundred or something like that. Something

776
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 4: insane he's had at this point. And it's like, this

777
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,360
Speaker 4: is a guy who just knows how to compete. He

778
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 4: knows how to compete, He knows what to do on

779
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 4: fight day, he knows what to do a week out,

780
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:00,799
Speaker 4: two weeks out, three four where he knows his body,

781
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 4: he never miss his weight, handles, all the travel, everything,

782
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 4: He's constantly able to do this, Like, it's just gonna

783
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 4: be hard to unsee a guy like that.

784
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 1: Is it possible?

785
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:11,800
Speaker 4: Of course, if he makes it a wild affair, Sean,

786
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 4: I mean, who the hell knows, But it's a fucking tall.

787
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,919
Speaker 1: Order to beat this guy, a very very tall order.

788
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:20,800
Speaker 2: Well, as he would go on to say, he believes

789
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 2: any talk of wrestling his wolf tickets and he knows

790
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 2: what Shawn's greatest strength is, and he he you know,

791
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 2: like you said, you bent, you stand with me, I

792
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 2: will kill you. So that's gonna be interesting. We've got

793
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 2: Eric Nixon quotes to look at this a little bit deeper. Luke,

794
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 2: he caught up with Shaquille Majouri of CBS Sports before

795
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 2: we throw to that though.

796
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 1: How many times do you think Shack texted him? Oh?

797
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:41,319
Speaker 1: How dare you?

798
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 2: I mean, how dare I mean? Shack filled in for you?

799
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 2: Luke wearing wearing the the EMD music cow hatt and

800
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 2: shirt combo. That's leaning into the joke right there. I

801
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 2: mean this guy he might get us here, this guy Shack,

802
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 2: I mean, he's.

803
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 1: Absolutely You think it was like five texts or like six?

804
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 2: All right, here we go. Look before we hear from

805
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:02,320
Speaker 2: Nixic on this, you said it, you believe, you believe

806
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 2: he will wrestle, how much how aggressive he has to

807
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 2: manage his own gas tank meaning Stricklyn in terms of

808
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:11,840
Speaker 2: how much you're going to try to shoot you know,

809
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 2: where will that call them trips in the clinch? Where

810
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 2: will that attempt at doing that? And simultaneously, we've seen

811
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 2: Izzy with wrestlers before Short of Yanblohovich one division higher.

812
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 2: He really hasn't had issues.

813
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it would happen along the fence line,

814
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 4: something akin. I mean, Marvin Vattori made it close the

815
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 4: first time, and again this isy is different though, Like

816
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 4: you know, the comparison falls apart under a reasonable amount

817
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 4: of scrutiny. But the what I'm trying to make is

818
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 4: can you stall him out? Can you force him to

819
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,839
Speaker 4: work defensively by pressing him into the cage level changing

820
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 4: him there kind of you know, literally pushing him into

821
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 4: the cage. Yes, you can do that. That's something you

822
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 4: can mix up offense from there. So I think you'll

823
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 4: see a little bit of that. I don't think you're

824
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:58,280
Speaker 4: going to see a whole lot of like inside trips

825
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 4: or you know, sweepsles.

826
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,359
Speaker 1: I don't not in the open, not like that.

827
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 2: All right, Well, let's hear from coach Nickxick on what

828
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 2: their plans might be in the wrestling game against at Asania.

829
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 2: He told me in a recently quote, I probably should wrestle,

830
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 2: but that's probably not going to happen.

831
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:18,319
Speaker 1: Do you believe that Sean isn't going to wrestle come

832
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 1: fight night? Who the hell knows? You know, like, who

833
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 1: the hell knows.

834
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 2: I'll tell you this.

835
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 9: I know he's working on it, and I know that

836
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:31,760
Speaker 9: there's you know, it's a it makes for a boring

837
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,879
Speaker 9: style of fight that I said, Hey, at the crowd's booing,

838
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 9: we're winning, We're doing our job. But at the end

839
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 9: of the day, I know Sean. I know he's a

840
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 9: showman and I love him, bro, I love the the

841
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 9: you know, his heart is spirit, and if he wants

842
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 9: to go out on a shield, then let's go out

843
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 9: on a shield. It's not what I suggest, it's not

844
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 9: what I you know, but it's not. It's also not

845
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 9: a video game. I can't control him the way I

846
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 9: want to control him, but I can help try to

847
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 9: guide him and put him in the best case scenarios

848
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 9: to win the fight.

849
00:37:58,080 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 2: You know.

850
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 9: So, my my, I'm hoping. I'm hoping he mixes some

851
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 9: things up.

852
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 2: Look, he ain't wrestling. He's not wrestling, Luke, I've heard.

853
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,319
Speaker 4: He'll wrestle a little bit. No, here's here's what. Here's

854
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 4: what could happen. Because I think ultimately your assessment of

855
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 4: why he won't is correct. I think he'll try a

856
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 4: couple times and then find it very unsatisfying and then

857
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 4: be like, man, fuck this shit, like what are you?

858
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 2: I mean, like, I don't disagree with some parts of

859
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 2: what is he says about him, the built in sort

860
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 2: of insecurities there, and I think sometimes, look, we all

861
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 2: deal with that, but I think it does lead Strickland

862
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 2: to take big chances, whether that means throwing out you know,

863
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 2: offensive comments or jokes that he does on purpose to

864
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 2: try to entrap people. I mean, poor jose Young's Luke

865
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 2: got called cock ring boy media Day and in arguable

866
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,479
Speaker 2: amount of times. But I also think, like we saw

867
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 2: in the Poeton fight, when it's time to go in

868
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 2: there and things get crazy, you know, Strickland's gonna go

869
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,320
Speaker 2: in the in the fight or flight direction, going to

870
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 2: go into the fight direction. It's just is that going

871
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 2: to lead him into a quicker exit or is that

872
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 2: going to create opportunities. What he can't do, obviously, is

873
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,800
Speaker 2: what everybody else has tried, Like Cannon Near like a

874
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 2: lot of these guys. Let me try to out technique

875
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 2: or out point easier. Let me try to linger long

876
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 2: enough to land that big strike that outside of that

877
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 2: Poeton fight just never tends to happen. The reason why fighting.

878
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 2: Is he is so difficult? You can also check out

879
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 2: the full interviews on the Shaq MMA channel right there. Uh, Luke,

880
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 2: when it comes to preparation and training, I want to

881
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 2: ask you this seriously, because I have seen some buzz

882
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 2: to it. Back in June, ahead of Poeton moving up

883
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 2: to light heavyweight, he did go to Las Vegas to

884
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 2: Extreme catuur and work with Sean Strickland or maybe it

885
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 2: wasn't Connecticut. Do you remember which where it was, Luke,

886
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 2: where they did this this bromance.

887
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 1: I think he went to Connecticut. I don't think Poet

888
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 1: Poeton came to LV.

889
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 2: All right, Well, here's what's interesting. Poeton, the pretty much

890
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 2: career rival of Adasania, owns three victories out of four

891
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:03,359
Speaker 2: fights and sports against him. I'm wondering if we're overlooking

892
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 2: that potential impact of what Strickland could have learned working

893
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 2: with Poeton ahead of his victory over Yon Blohovich. Is

894
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 2: there something there, Luke?

895
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:18,879
Speaker 1: Sure? I mean Poton is going to have some keen

896
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 1: insight into the kinds of things he looked for when fighting.

897
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 1: I mean, there's just no denying that.

898
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 4: Did I mean, I'm not talked to Eric about like

899
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 4: what kind of tape he studied this time out. But

900
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:34,320
Speaker 4: I have a feeling that they have looked at the

901
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:36,399
Speaker 4: tape from his fight, and then the tape that Sean

902
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 4: had with Poton and then Poeton's fights with Izzy, and

903
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:41,360
Speaker 4: like they've tried to figure out like what worked, what didn't,

904
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 4: what mattered what didn't. But like, again, I kind of

905
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 4: go back to it, like that's that's a little bit

906
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 4: of a distance game behind a jab. You know that

907
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 4: that Poeton can play that. I just don't think a

908
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:54,319
Speaker 4: guy like Sean can play. Sean's job is useful, but

909
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 4: in a bit slightly different way. So it's like you

910
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,320
Speaker 4: can take some things that I think would be valuable.

911
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 4: But this is what I can coming back to. It's

912
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 4: like people keep asking me, Hey, could he extract value

913
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 4: from doing X?

914
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 1: Could he derive value from doing why?

915
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 4: And the answer to those questions, depending on what they are,

916
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 4: is typically gonna be yes, Like is their value to

917
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,279
Speaker 4: training with Poeton, for example, in this particular case, to

918
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 4: get ready for Izzy. Yes, Like there can be no

919
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 4: denial that would be beneficial. It's just you keep sort

920
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 4: of going back to like are all those things even

921
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:29,319
Speaker 4: added up together? Is that really enough to put him

922
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 4: over the hump. And I just don't see that. I

923
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 4: just don't see again. I mean it's crazy, but I

924
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:38,280
Speaker 4: don't see that even that all of that put together

925
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 4: skill for skill is that can you really get enough

926
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 4: little nuggets and pieces of wisdom and gain plan specifics

927
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 4: to overcome someone this good when the gap is this wide?

928
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 1: Probably not, is the answer.

929
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 2: Probably if he have Poton's power and chin to be

930
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 2: able to carry, you know, to to forget the skills necessarily,

931
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 2: But those two in tangible I'm not sure, Luke, I'm

932
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 2: not sure how much can Strickland take? You know, is

933
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 2: he gonna out last? Is he? Probably? Not likely? Although

934
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 2: he is a big motor guy with a lot of

935
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 2: five round experience. Do you see that five round experience

936
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 2: in Strickland. I think it was something like four of

937
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 2: his last eight fights with the five round distance. Does

938
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:18,840
Speaker 2: that matter this time around?

939
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:19,319
Speaker 1: Yeah?

940
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 4: If I'm Strickland, I'm using all my cardio as much

941
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 4: as I can, right, I mean, is he doesn't have

942
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 4: back cardio? I mean he's gone five a million times too,

943
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 4: So it's not like you're dealing with like, oh, this

944
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 4: is some liability or something.

945
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 1: No, that's not it.

946
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:34,240
Speaker 4: But again, if I'm Strickland dude again, are you gonna

947
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 4: beat him over the course of five rounds? Highly unlikely? Right, highly,

948
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 4: So if whatever your cardio is, just burn it. I

949
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 4: think of it this way, BC, you know what I mean.

950
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:45,799
Speaker 4: I went to the strick Club one time for a

951
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 4: bachelor party. We were in Las Vegas. We went to

952
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,879
Speaker 4: a spearmint Rhino. This was many years ago, wow, and

953
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 4: we kind of we didn't want to blow the bank there,

954
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 4: so we each just looked in our pockets and we

955
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 4: were like, Okay, collectively, how much cash do we have?

956
00:42:58,360 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 4: And it was like, I don't know, five of us

957
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 4: and we have you know, this was Vegas, so I

958
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 4: think we had like seven hundred bucks cash or something.

959
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:06,319
Speaker 2: Were you're staying at Circus Circus during this trip again,

960
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 2: Luke with.

961
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 10: No I was.

962
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:10,840
Speaker 4: I was at Mandalay Bay for that one, which is

963
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:12,720
Speaker 4: a good hotel or good enough anyway.

964
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, and not for country concerts, to be fair, very

965
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:16,360
Speaker 2: fair with you.

966
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, lots of bull riding goes on at Mandala Bay,

967
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 4: lots of bull riding. But anyway, so we just said, okay,

968
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 4: let's just go spend seven hundred bucks. And when it's done.

969
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 4: Let's just leave. And it lasted about forty minutes. It

970
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 4: lasted about forty minutes and we were done. That's what

971
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:33,919
Speaker 4: I would do if I was him. Whatever your seven

972
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 4: hundred bucks is of cardio, just fucking spend it right

973
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 4: up front. That is gonna be your best opportunity to

974
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 4: get What you have to do is get him to

975
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 4: make a mistake. So just burn the cardio and if

976
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 4: it fails, you lose. But it's your best chance.

977
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 1: I think.

978
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, he's got to do something here. Here's

979
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 2: an interesting quote from Glover to Sheriff from those training sessions.

980
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 2: When he caught up with Helen Yee in July, he said,

981
00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 2: Sean Strickland is incredibly tough. He worked like a maniac

982
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 2: and was a blessing for us to have a guy

983
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 2: like him over here in the gym. He's happy. He

984
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 2: talks a lot, but he's doing the work. He's incredible.

985
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 2: I really like him. I think he deserves the title shot.

986
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 2: The way he carries himself and helps everyone in the gym.

987
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 2: He's an amazing guy the whole Jim likes him and

988
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 2: he's a great guy. Does that surprise you at all?

989
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 4: No, I think a lot of these guys bond over

990
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 4: the relationships they build in the gym as training partners.

991
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:27,799
Speaker 4: When you sweat and bleed and suffer with another man,

992
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 4: it does and you have a common cause together, and

993
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 4: in this particular case, an aspirational professional cause. Dude, you

994
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 4: can form some very deep bonds doing that. That's why

995
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:40,280
Speaker 4: these guys all call each other brother.

996
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:41,280
Speaker 1: Huh.

997
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:43,280
Speaker 2: Look, does that explain how we're still talking?

998
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 1: Well, we also get paid to be together.

999
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 4: But like, you know, there's you know, and we're also

1000
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 4: I mean, we're also aging in a similar direction. You

1001
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:52,879
Speaker 4: know how he like started life in very different ways

1002
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 4: but ended up in the same spot.

1003
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 1: We're morphing into the same man, just from two different directions. Really,

1004
00:44:57,640 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 1: I want to point that out.

1005
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 2: I mean, just to be fair, that disappointment in the

1006
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 2: tone of Courtney and Matt are showtime producers. When they

1007
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,359
Speaker 2: saw me in these glasses and they realized that these

1008
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 2: guys could have been plucked from your collection, I'm like, no,

1009
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 2: that's not Luke's collection. That's middle aged white men classes collection.

1010
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 1: To be fair, you know, this is what uncool men

1011
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:17,359
Speaker 1: in their forties wear. Welcome to it.

1012
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:21,360
Speaker 4: But anyway, yeah, dude, you can forge some serious bonds

1013
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 4: that way.

1014
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:24,359
Speaker 1: You can. Again, all these guys are going to call each.

1015
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 4: Other brother and shit, you know like yeah, uh, people

1016
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 4: who even don't even fight, people who just train jiu

1017
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 4: jitsu together, like your training partner. This is a when

1018
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 4: if you care a lot about you know, getting good

1019
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 4: like that's a very valuable, important and pivotal role that

1020
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 4: they play in your life.

1021
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 1: So I understand that.

1022
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 2: Uh, And I've heard that one more time.

1023
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 4: Hold on, I've heard from multiple different people that Strickland

1024
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 4: is very, very good as a training partner in the gym.

1025
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 2: That's what I was gonna say. I'm not coming around

1026
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:55,359
Speaker 2: to the idea that Strickland's, you know, this wholesome guy,

1027
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 2: but it is a stick to a large degree, there

1028
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 2: is another side of him the fight game. There's maybe

1029
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,360
Speaker 2: no you know, it's no surprise that he's gotten this

1030
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 2: far as a very good fighter. Let's hear from his coach,

1031
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 2: Jerk Nixon, friend of the program one more time with

1032
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:09,320
Speaker 2: Shaq about that misidentity at times.

1033
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 9: Dude, he's just such a great teammate, he really is.

1034
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 9: And I know he rubs people the wrong way. You

1035
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:17,399
Speaker 9: know what did Uh? Luke Thomas call it the edge

1036
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,760
Speaker 9: lord routine or whatever, like I get that. And and

1037
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:22,879
Speaker 9: Luke and I are very close, like we talk a lot.

1038
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 9: And I think when you really understand who and what

1039
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 9: Sean Strickland's about with his upbringing and the way he's

1040
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 9: been you know, brought through the gym systems and things

1041
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 9: like that, he was he was an outlier for a reason.

1042
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 9: But now he feels a part of a community. And

1043
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 9: I watched this guy in the room, and he cares

1044
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 9: about his teammates, he cares about your your wins and losses.

1045
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:49,879
Speaker 9: He's here, he makes himself available. He's farred yesterday at noon,

1046
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 9: came back at three point thirty other than just to

1047
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 9: watch his teammates spar and help and help Chris Curtis

1048
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 9: and Jalen Turner and some of the guys are on

1049
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 9: the mat. So you see like this transformation in this

1050
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 9: guy where he was this outcast outlier and over the years,

1051
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 9: like there is areas I think like as a coach,

1052
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 9: I can teach him and coach him and help guide

1053
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 9: him in certain regards.

1054
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 2: Fair points, fair points, all the way around. He was respectful, Luke.

1055
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:16,280
Speaker 2: I want to spin that comment though, into a question.

1056
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 2: We talked about some of the intangibles, the five round cardio,

1057
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:22,399
Speaker 2: the hey I got nothing to lose, let me, let

1058
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:25,760
Speaker 2: me just go for it. Is there anything collectively about

1059
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:29,439
Speaker 2: Sean Strickland's game that we might be overlooking that if

1060
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 2: the the upset of the of the the middleweight lifetime

1061
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 2: happens here, if the sixth you know, nearly seven to

1062
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 2: one favorite does go down, what should we have seen coming?

1063
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 2: What are we potentially missing here to give Sean Strickland

1064
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 2: the best chance possible? Is there a best chance possible?

1065
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:48,360
Speaker 2: Or am I wasting time on a great show and

1066
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 2: I should be speeding up to get to those funny

1067
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 2: videos at the end loop.

1068
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean you definitely should have been speeding up.

1069
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 4: You've kind of beat this question to death. But I

1070
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 4: think to put to put a bow on it, right,

1071
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:59,840
Speaker 4: to put a bow on it? I mentioned before. I

1072
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 4: just you just don't get tune up fights in the

1073
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 4: UFC very often. And if you didn't like Sean Strickland

1074
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 4: versus a Boost Mega Madoff as the main event, I

1075
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,840
Speaker 4: understand that, but it was that very valuable to Sean.

1076
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 4: I just you just don't get opportunities like this. At

1077
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 4: this level. So that was I think a huge boost. Again,

1078
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 4: he's got one of the sharpest coaches in the entire

1079
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 4: sport frankly, in the fucking history of the sport. I mean, wow,

1080
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:26,919
Speaker 4: you don't think Eric Nixon is one of the best

1081
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:27,879
Speaker 4: coaches in m history.

1082
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:28,720
Speaker 1: I think that's a very.

1083
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 2: Against filating a great friend in Eric Nixick, one of

1084
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:35,319
Speaker 2: my favorite gingers in the world. Luke. But I mean,

1085
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 2: you just you just stamped the all time great on him.

1086
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:39,959
Speaker 2: You believe that this guy, he is a very good coach,

1087
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 2: a very good I just wanted.

1088
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 1: To make it.

1089
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 4: He has transformed I mean, extreme couture had fallen in

1090
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 4: hard times and it's under his leadership that they have

1091
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:53,360
Speaker 4: roared back to relevancy. And you know, obviously in turning

1092
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 4: what he did to Francis and others like, yeah, dude,

1093
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 4: that's hard as shit to do, and he's done that

1094
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 4: sort of a consistent The level of excellence is difficult, right,

1095
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 4: So understand that. And I think the last thing I

1096
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 4: would point to is is he have like a movie

1097
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:08,360
Speaker 4: premiere this week?

1098
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 1: You know.

1099
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 4: Again, my view of is he is that he is

1100
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:19,279
Speaker 4: uniquely capable of maintaining real disciplined focus. But is there

1101
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 4: a potential question about, you know, really reaching a certain

1102
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 4: level of celebrity and having all of these commitments and whatnot.

1103
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 4: To what extent could that force a guy, even as

1104
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,920
Speaker 4: good as him, out of focus and not take this

1105
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 4: as seriously or be as ready as he should have been.

1106
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:36,879
Speaker 4: I don't find that likely. But if we do get

1107
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 4: on the other end of an upset, I think we'd

1108
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 4: have to look back and say, hey, maybe we did

1109
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:44,479
Speaker 4: miss some of these other warning signs that were out there.

1110
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 2: Fair response, Fair response. And by the way, Angie Everheart

1111
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 2: one of my favorite gingers as well.

1112
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:54,320
Speaker 4: Luke, oh gee, the boys don't nineties Angie Everheart.

1113
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 2: They don't know, they don't, They really don't. They really

1114
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 2: Howard Stern knows, But the rest of the people they

1115
00:49:58,200 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 2: don't know.

1116
00:49:58,560 --> 00:49:58,759
Speaker 1: Luke.

1117
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:02,800
Speaker 2: Jared ca Caneer announced as the backup set to weigh

1118
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:06,320
Speaker 2: in over there in Sydney. Would you rather be forced

1119
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 2: to have an Izy Cannoneer rematch for the title should

1120
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:14,840
Speaker 2: Strickland have to pull out, or a Strickland Cannoneer rematch

1121
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:18,879
Speaker 2: for the vacant or interim title. If crazy Shenanigans were

1122
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 2: at play.

1123
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:22,400
Speaker 1: I mean, they're both terrible fights, right, let's just be

1124
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 1: on the first ones, horrendous middleweight fights.

1125
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:29,359
Speaker 2: The first one was horrendous, but I think it could

1126
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:31,920
Speaker 2: be better if Cannoneer had been more offensive, if he

1127
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 2: had risked more.

1128
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 4: I think he would I defended Izzy Cannoneer more in

1129
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:38,719
Speaker 4: real time, So I would say this, I think, and

1130
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 4: this is true of Volkanovski, This is true of a

1131
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 4: lot of guys, even when they don't have like the

1132
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 4: most entertaining fights. I think when you're watching someone this good,

1133
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 4: it's always valuable to watch them compete. Even if you

1134
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 4: get a bit more Izzy Romerozy Cannoneer, it's not that great,

1135
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:55,759
Speaker 4: I still think it's worth watching them compete. So I'd

1136
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 4: much rather have that because I rewatched Strickland and Cannoneer

1137
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:00,399
Speaker 4: and that was tough.

1138
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:01,360
Speaker 1: That was a tough watch.

1139
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:04,400
Speaker 4: That was you know, that was I don't know, I

1140
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 4: don't know what the equivalent of that would be, but

1141
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 4: it was. It wasn't two girls, one cup, but it

1142
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 4: wasn't It wasn't much, you know, there wasn't a huge

1143
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 4: gap between them.

1144
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:13,840
Speaker 2: Do you think they should have done something crazy and

1145
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 2: had like Bo Nickel way in.

1146
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 1: That would have been intriguing.

1147
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 2: Yeah. But then but then, like the dan Quayle reference

1148
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 2: from the other episode, somebody might take strickling out looke,

1149
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, somebody might uh somebody might you.

1150
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 4: Know, are we doing dan Quayle potato with Ego in

1151
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 4: twenty twenty three?

1152
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:33,320
Speaker 1: You fuck?

1153
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:37,239
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I knew, I knew. Uh what was

1154
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 2: the famous line that that JFK's brother said to uh,

1155
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:43,840
Speaker 2: that that Ted Kennedy said to uh to uh Quail?

1156
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:44,319
Speaker 2: What was it?

1157
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 4: I knew, Uh, you are no Jack Kennedy, Yeah, enator.

1158
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:51,400
Speaker 2: I knew I was friends with him and you are no.

1159
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 2: Yeah whatever, All right, thank you. That's my eighties upbringing.

1160
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 2: Uh luke. We all assume that Drenkis duples C would

1161
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 2: be next, considering his knockout of Whitaker seemed to secure

1162
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:04,839
Speaker 2: the number one. He had to heal and recover from

1163
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:07,880
Speaker 2: the physicality of that loss of that victory. Excuse me

1164
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 2: was not ready here, but maybe not yet. Dana White

1165
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:14,439
Speaker 2: did a press conference Tuesday in Vegas after the Dana

1166
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:17,839
Speaker 2: White Contender series, and here's the quote. You know how

1167
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:20,880
Speaker 2: much I love guys who turned down fights, right, I

1168
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:23,839
Speaker 2: don't know. When asked if DDP is next, We'll see

1169
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 2: what happens Saturday and then we'll go from there. Luke Thomas,

1170
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 2: did DDP just cost himself the next title shot?

1171
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:34,319
Speaker 1: Dude? I love this shit, I love this Let me

1172
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 1: get this straight.

1173
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:41,359
Speaker 4: They create an ass main event that they book Vulk

1174
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:44,399
Speaker 4: in a way where it was you know, dubious whether

1175
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:46,240
Speaker 4: or not he was going to be ready at bare minimum,

1176
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 4: and of course he wasn't. He had to get you know, surgery,

1177
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 4: so he's out. So Izzy was going to be your

1178
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:55,239
Speaker 4: best option. But they never had a firm headliner. They

1179
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 4: wait until July to book a number one contender fight,

1180
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 4: the guy wins, and then they want him to turn

1181
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:03,760
Speaker 4: around two months later, even though he's a fucking fist

1182
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:07,840
Speaker 4: fighter for a living, and the fault is Drickas's I

1183
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 4: mean like what I mean, no wonder they're getting sued

1184
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 4: by former fighters like just absolutely air against to assume

1185
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:23,840
Speaker 4: that it's Drickis's fault for not turning around in two

1186
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 4: months on the most expedited of unfair timelines.

1187
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 2: It's hilarious when Francis couldn't turn around in three months

1188
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 2: after winning back the time or winning the title instead,

1189
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:38,799
Speaker 2: I just need one more month, and they were like, oh,

1190
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 2: no worries, We're going to do an interim title fight

1191
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 2: next and then eventually pushed you out.

1192
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:45,880
Speaker 4: It's just again and you can be against the lawsuit, right.

1193
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:47,879
Speaker 4: You can think, oh, I don't think the plaintiff's case

1194
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 4: is strong. I don't hope that they win. Fine, are

1195
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 4: you really surprised that there are plaintiffs? Okay, but neither

1196
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 4: here nor there. Let's just talk about the world we

1197
00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 4: live in.

1198
00:53:57,080 --> 00:54:01,240
Speaker 1: So your question was did he did it cost him him? Uh?

1199
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 4: I'll say this, here's my chips in the middle prediction BC. Ready,

1200
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:08,759
Speaker 4: if CHAMAIAV goes out there and wins, and especially if

1201
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 4: he smokes Costa, there's no way DDP gets the title shot.

1202
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 4: Hamza will leapfrog him like it's nothing. So he might

1203
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 4: have is the unfairly unfairly buddy in the wild.

1204
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:22,400
Speaker 2: Yes, look at where we were after DDP one and

1205
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 2: got after yeah and got.

1206
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:27,239
Speaker 1: Off and they had and then he's like, oh, you

1207
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:28,480
Speaker 1: can't turn around two months.

1208
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:32,000
Speaker 2: So they asked Izzy this morning about Dana's comments, and

1209
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:34,359
Speaker 2: here's what he said. Dricas doesn't know how to play

1210
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:36,720
Speaker 2: the game. Look, You can't sit on your fucking ranking

1211
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:38,920
Speaker 2: and think you've got it locked in. That's the UFC.

1212
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 2: If you look back at the history of the UFC,

1213
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:43,359
Speaker 2: shit happens. He thought he was sitting pretty, but now

1214
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:45,840
Speaker 2: he might have to fight two times before getting a

1215
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 2: title shot. He doesn't call the shots. I do remember that.

1216
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 2: I need you to understand that you don't call the

1217
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:55,799
Speaker 2: shots stickless. You can't sit pretty wherever you want, but

1218
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:58,759
Speaker 2: if I want to, I might give Hamzak Coast a

1219
00:54:58,800 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 2: winner the next shot.

1220
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 1: So so let's back up a step here, because I

1221
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 1: hadn't read that. Is he calling him now dickless duplessly?

1222
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:08,359
Speaker 1: I gotta say that's that's juvenile, that's juvenile, But.

1223
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:10,399
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, it's better than the end word, Luke,

1224
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:11,439
Speaker 2: that's what he used to call.

1225
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:14,839
Speaker 1: Okay, I'll agree to that. I'll agree it's probably better

1226
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:16,279
Speaker 1: than the endword. Yep, that's fair.

1227
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:19,359
Speaker 2: All right, here you go, uh Luke. Speaking of this

1228
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:22,239
Speaker 2: main event and the entire card, let's pour one out

1229
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 2: again for a lady who continues to to move mountains

1230
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:27,840
Speaker 2: here and make big, big leaps in her career, and

1231
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 2: rightfully so, Laura Senko going to make her pay per

1232
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:34,920
Speaker 2: view debut as a lead analyst here opposite John Annick

1233
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 2: and Daniel Cormier, one of the best in the look

1234
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 2: you've I don't know. Here's the deal. I respect a lot.

1235
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:43,319
Speaker 2: I'm a Dom Cruse guy. If I have to have

1236
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:45,279
Speaker 2: one analyst, I want Dom Cruise and then give me

1237
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:47,920
Speaker 2: DC or Rogan for the comedy to pair with him.

1238
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:50,440
Speaker 2: You've said for a while that you actually believe Senko

1239
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:53,799
Speaker 2: is the best live fight analyst in the in the

1240
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:56,160
Speaker 2: sport right now? Can you can you defend that?

1241
00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:57,240
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1242
00:55:57,360 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 4: Easily? Just listen to her. So two things stand out

1243
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 4: about her right when you listen to her. One is

1244
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:07,879
Speaker 4: that she clearly does a lot of homework. You can

1245
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:12,319
Speaker 4: just hear there are some minute details that she has

1246
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 4: at the ready for all the various fights. That is

1247
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:17,800
Speaker 4: a function of I mean, I think, you know, I

1248
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:19,400
Speaker 4: don't want to speak for her, but I get the

1249
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 4: sense that she feels like she has to be twice

1250
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 4: as good because a she's the first woman. But more

1251
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 4: than that, she didn't fight for the UFC, so, like

1252
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 4: you know, she doesn't have UFC champion in her resume,

1253
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 4: so she feels like again, my assessment is that she

1254
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:33,480
Speaker 4: feels like probably that she has to do twice as

1255
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 4: much work, and it shows.

1256
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 1: It shows.

1257
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:39,080
Speaker 4: The second part I would say is that you need

1258
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:43,480
Speaker 4: to listen to her, pay attention to how much she

1259
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 4: is trying to inform the viewer rather than kind of

1260
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:51,760
Speaker 4: entertain through the broadcast. Now she can be entertaining as well,

1261
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:56,399
Speaker 4: but if you're looking to understand what is happening, her

1262
00:56:56,520 --> 00:57:00,279
Speaker 4: level of technical mastery through the range of MMA. He's

1263
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:02,440
Speaker 4: obviously very good in wrestling, and you know, he's good everywhere,

1264
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:04,920
Speaker 4: but wrestling would be his strong point. You know, she

1265
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:07,920
Speaker 4: probably doesn't have that kind of knowledge. But in general,

1266
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 4: especially like with more modern jiu jitsu stuff, I think

1267
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:12,440
Speaker 4: that's where she especially shines.

1268
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:13,440
Speaker 1: But not just that.

1269
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:17,880
Speaker 4: She she she does, in my judgment, by far, the

1270
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 4: best job of any of the commentators of really having

1271
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 4: the fine new the fine details about this particular matchup

1272
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:26,600
Speaker 4: and the history of how they fought, like what the

1273
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:29,360
Speaker 4: record shows, and then in terms of what they're looking at,

1274
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 4: the significance, the relevance, what's happening, what's next, all these

1275
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:35,320
Speaker 4: different things in a way where she just does a

1276
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:38,800
Speaker 4: uniquely great job of informing the viewer. And I know

1277
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:41,160
Speaker 4: she doesn't have UFC champion and her resume, but it

1278
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 4: sort of goes to show, Like you know, being a

1279
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 4: UC champion is a highly decorated thing, but it doesn't

1280
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 4: necessarily by itself make for a great commentator. There can

1281
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 4: be other aspects that go into it, and she's got them.

1282
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:54,760
Speaker 4: I think she's the best that they have and she'll shine.

1283
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:56,680
Speaker 4: I don't have even the slightest doubt about that.

1284
00:57:57,080 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 2: She's got more pro wins than CM punk. Luke, although

1285
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:02,240
Speaker 2: Phil Brooks has been knocking people out in pro wrestling

1286
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 2: locker rooms lately, put some respect on her Cassie rob submission.

1287
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:09,880
Speaker 2: I think it was a submission win there. Yeah, I'm

1288
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 2: a big dom cruise guy. I also think Grandy Katur

1289
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 2: with the PFL is still among the best in the game.

1290
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:16,240
Speaker 2: I don't think people will give him as much love

1291
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 2: as they should. Luke. I like Rich Franklin two on one.

1292
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:19,520
Speaker 2: I think he's doing that great.

1293
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:21,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, Rich is good. Rich is actually pretty good too.

1294
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:23,000
Speaker 1: He's sneaky good.

1295
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:26,280
Speaker 4: But for the UFC to bring her along it says

1296
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 4: a lot about her journey. I remember she was pegged

1297
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:32,760
Speaker 4: as the sideline reporter girl, and look where she has

1298
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:33,320
Speaker 4: put herself.

1299
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:34,240
Speaker 1: It's not an accident.

1300
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 2: Indeed, Indeed, Luke, there's not a lot to talk about

1301
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 2: in the rest of this car ty Tyvasa does have

1302
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:41,920
Speaker 2: a comin event fight worth watching with some big storylines.

1303
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:44,760
Speaker 2: He'll be a plus two hundred underdog when he takes

1304
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:49,440
Speaker 2: on Alexander Volkov minus two point fifty. Tide was asked

1305
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:52,720
Speaker 2: this week about the long layoff. Luke, You remember he

1306
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 2: fought he got knocked out by Pavlovitch right after that

1307
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:57,640
Speaker 2: brutal gone fight in Paris, in about a two month

1308
00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 2: gap between the two. Well, he's take and off about

1309
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:03,400
Speaker 2: what is it about ten to eleven months at this point

1310
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:04,840
Speaker 2: to get back in this fight? He said, I needed

1311
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:07,800
Speaker 2: a break. The last rushing crushed my face, so I

1312
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:09,840
Speaker 2: had a little bit of time off. I missed my family,

1313
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:11,680
Speaker 2: I needed to go home. I feel good now and

1314
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:15,640
Speaker 2: I'm fucking ready to roll. I'm coming for those heads.

1315
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:18,080
Speaker 2: He was also asked the critical questions that I think

1316
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:21,360
Speaker 2: is the most important one, what's your matchmaking going to

1317
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:23,480
Speaker 2: look like moving forward? Really, Luke, the real question will

1318
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:25,720
Speaker 2: we push through the match making or the time off?

1319
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:29,360
Speaker 2: The real question, in my opinion is how serious are

1320
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 2: you going to take this game because there's something huge

1321
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:34,920
Speaker 2: there beyond the shoe and the he's got a crazy

1322
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:37,560
Speaker 2: salad by the way Big Hairy brought back, But there

1323
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:40,880
Speaker 2: is a combination of skills there that make him maybe

1324
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:44,480
Speaker 2: an unlikely elite if he dials in his quote was look,

1325
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:46,960
Speaker 2: the UFC rings me and says do I want to

1326
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 2: fight this guy? The answer is yes, That's how it works.

1327
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 2: There ain't no easy fights here up here in the

1328
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:54,760
Speaker 2: top five, and I still want to fight the best.

1329
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:59,520
Speaker 2: That's why I'm fighting Volkov. So Luke, let's use Volkov

1330
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:02,000
Speaker 2: as the But what it is the proper litmus test

1331
01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:05,320
Speaker 2: for us to find out right now whether Tuivasa is

1332
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:08,520
Speaker 2: the next Derek Lewis and he's a fun personality and

1333
01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:10,840
Speaker 2: he's always good for a brawl and down for a

1334
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:16,520
Speaker 2: good time, or whether he truly can use that time off, retool,

1335
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:21,360
Speaker 2: refocus and really try to make a run here. If

1336
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:25,200
Speaker 2: that's the case the latter, Are there any subtle improvements

1337
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:29,520
Speaker 2: or anything in his existing game that if he changed

1338
01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:32,600
Speaker 2: added to work done that you think could give him

1339
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:36,200
Speaker 2: a run here at potentially becoming a title challenger and

1340
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:36,920
Speaker 2: a truly elite.

1341
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:37,920
Speaker 1: Have youweight? Yeah?

1342
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:39,640
Speaker 4: I mean, we got to pass the test in Volkov,

1343
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:41,800
Speaker 4: so that's going to be either what wrestling him, which

1344
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:43,360
Speaker 4: I don't think Tattoobasa is going.

1345
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:43,960
Speaker 1: To do a lot of.

1346
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:47,520
Speaker 4: I mean, one never knows, one never knows, but seems unlikely.

1347
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:48,880
Speaker 4: So then the question is how are you going to

1348
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:51,000
Speaker 4: strike with a guy like this? This is a test

1349
01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:54,680
Speaker 4: of his problem solving skills and then his test of

1350
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:55,360
Speaker 4: game planning.

1351
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:59,560
Speaker 1: Well that also was team gain planning and then implementation, right,

1352
01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:01,680
Speaker 1: So this is like I mean, think about this way, dude,

1353
01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:02,960
Speaker 1: is there any doubt?

1354
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:05,160
Speaker 4: BC spin it back to you just very quickly. Is

1355
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:09,360
Speaker 4: there any doubt in your mind that Volkov has designs

1356
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:11,840
Speaker 4: on being a champion and has worked steadily the last

1357
01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:14,600
Speaker 4: however long and in particular could last three to four

1358
01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:17,280
Speaker 4: years to really put himself in a position to fight

1359
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:17,720
Speaker 4: for a title.

1360
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:19,760
Speaker 1: Do you have any doubt about any of that?

1361
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:20,160
Speaker 8: No?

1362
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:23,840
Speaker 2: He also said he began training the morning after his

1363
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:26,680
Speaker 2: last win and he hasn't stopped since. Like this, he's

1364
01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:28,520
Speaker 2: trying to go for it right now, vocas.

1365
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:31,480
Speaker 4: So the question I completely agree, by the way, So

1366
01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:36,000
Speaker 4: then the question really becomes does taytoo I Vasa have

1367
01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:38,720
Speaker 4: a similar level of commitment, because if he has a

1368
01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:41,520
Speaker 4: similar level of serious commitment, I do think that his

1369
01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:45,360
Speaker 4: big power, his ability to leap into range, his ability

1370
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:48,040
Speaker 4: to set up shots or set up strikes anyway, set

1371
01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:50,640
Speaker 4: up you use, his faints, at his fakes, good footwork.

1372
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:54,160
Speaker 4: I think that there's enough there to get him back

1373
01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:55,960
Speaker 4: to a title shot opportunity. And now whether to win

1374
01:01:56,080 --> 01:01:57,640
Speaker 4: or not, I don't know, you know, I don't know

1375
01:01:57,680 --> 01:01:59,640
Speaker 4: exactly how disciplined and effort he's going to put in,

1376
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:01,760
Speaker 4: but it looks to me like do I see a

1377
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:03,920
Speaker 4: guy who can win a title and then hold it

1378
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:06,320
Speaker 4: for a long time in this weight class? Probably not,

1379
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:09,920
Speaker 4: Probably not. But do I feel like he has maximized

1380
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:14,280
Speaker 4: his opportunities? Yes, partly by being exciting in some ways,

1381
01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:16,920
Speaker 4: he's boosted his appeal a lah Derek Lewis in that way.

1382
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:20,600
Speaker 4: But do I think he's maximized his opportunity through using

1383
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:25,240
Speaker 4: a more strategic, disciplined, serious, overall effort.

1384
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:25,960
Speaker 1: I have not.

1385
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:29,720
Speaker 4: I have not, but I think if he does, there

1386
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:32,200
Speaker 4: is reason to believe this is a winnable fight. This

1387
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:34,880
Speaker 4: to me, is not like the Shan Strickland fight. It's

1388
01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:37,640
Speaker 4: difficult for him, It's not easy to be vocal of

1389
01:02:37,720 --> 01:02:39,320
Speaker 4: that reach the height, It's going to be hard for

1390
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:42,560
Speaker 4: him to connect. But I think a smart, dialed in

1391
01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:46,720
Speaker 4: guy or a version anyway of taitu I Vasa's got

1392
01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:48,200
Speaker 4: that in him, no doubt about yeah.

1393
01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:50,680
Speaker 2: I mean seeing him on the scale is going to

1394
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:53,160
Speaker 2: tell me something, you know, and comparing that weight tow

1395
01:02:53,240 --> 01:02:55,440
Speaker 2: previous fights for sure, But I feel like this is

1396
01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:59,360
Speaker 2: one of those potential turning point fights where I mean,

1397
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:01,840
Speaker 2: like heavyweight, you can reinvent yourself quick, you can also linger.

1398
01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:03,440
Speaker 2: There's a lot of factors here, but I feel like

1399
01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:06,560
Speaker 2: the first minute of this fight, I'm gonna be able

1400
01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:08,200
Speaker 2: to have some type of idea what the future of

1401
01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:10,200
Speaker 2: two of US's career is going to look like, right,

1402
01:03:10,280 --> 01:03:13,200
Speaker 2: I mean, is that that's not too crazy? Like how

1403
01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:17,120
Speaker 2: how focused? How serious? How how much he, like you said,

1404
01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:19,920
Speaker 2: potentially built the idea of problem solving here, how much

1405
01:03:19,960 --> 01:03:22,400
Speaker 2: he's worked on his takedown defense, all of this stuff

1406
01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:25,520
Speaker 2: built in Uh, I'm gonna find out right here. He's

1407
01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:29,440
Speaker 2: coming off of two losses devastating knockouts. Volkov has won

1408
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:32,280
Speaker 2: three of four, and he's bounced back beautifully from how

1409
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:35,200
Speaker 2: quickly he was submitted by aspinall to stop Rose and

1410
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:38,840
Speaker 2: strike into and to stop roman Off in really impressive fashion.

1411
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:42,360
Speaker 2: It's interesting. Are is there anything now? I want to

1412
01:03:42,520 --> 01:03:45,360
Speaker 2: ask this question. I did listen to Volkov's media day

1413
01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:48,520
Speaker 2: hit and he said, Look, my ego is that I

1414
01:03:48,560 --> 01:03:50,560
Speaker 2: feel like I'm the best heavyweight striker in the world.

1415
01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:53,240
Speaker 2: So could my ego lead me into trying to prove

1416
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:56,480
Speaker 2: that against Tuvasa? He goes, yeah, it's possible, but he goes,

1417
01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:58,160
Speaker 2: What I would like to tell you is that I'm

1418
01:03:58,160 --> 01:03:59,640
Speaker 2: gonna go out there and I'm gonna wrestle him, and

1419
01:03:59,640 --> 01:04:01,760
Speaker 2: I'm gonna play to the strengths of this matchup and

1420
01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:04,240
Speaker 2: I'm gonna beat him that way. Luke, is there any

1421
01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:08,320
Speaker 2: element of Volkov's game that Tuiyvasa might be able to

1422
01:04:08,320 --> 01:04:10,440
Speaker 2: take advantage of? Because if he does wrestle and does

1423
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:12,480
Speaker 2: have success there, it's gonna be a problem for Touevasa.

1424
01:04:14,560 --> 01:04:16,400
Speaker 1: Wait say it again about Volkov. I'm not sure I

1425
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:17,200
Speaker 1: understand the question.

1426
01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:19,880
Speaker 2: You know, Volkov basically saying, look, I'm more than likely

1427
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:21,960
Speaker 2: going to play it safer in this matchup and try

1428
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:23,680
Speaker 2: to win it, knowing how important it is, and take

1429
01:04:23,720 --> 01:04:25,760
Speaker 2: this guy down. And we all know that could be

1430
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:29,720
Speaker 2: trouble for Tuivasa. But is there something about Volkov's game

1431
01:04:29,840 --> 01:04:32,800
Speaker 2: or any of his limitations that Tuiyvasa may be able

1432
01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:33,440
Speaker 2: to take advantage of.

1433
01:04:33,720 --> 01:04:36,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, like I said before, he's slow, he's slow. He's big,

1434
01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:40,320
Speaker 4: but he's slow. And Tuivasa, I know, looks like he's

1435
01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:43,960
Speaker 4: heavy set, but I think he's much more explosive. There

1436
01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:46,160
Speaker 4: is a question about who's stronger. That's going to be

1437
01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:48,400
Speaker 4: an interesting one to me as well. Volkov might be

1438
01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:50,520
Speaker 4: a little bit more stronger. Certainly he has better leverages,

1439
01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:53,280
Speaker 4: but he doesn't have fast feet, he doesn't move into

1440
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:56,520
Speaker 4: position quickly. He gets by on being very disciplined on

1441
01:04:56,600 --> 01:04:59,520
Speaker 4: this version of him, and you know he's relatively speaking

1442
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:01,760
Speaker 4: to other heavy it's pretty technical on the feet.

1443
01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:03,640
Speaker 1: So that's really his calling card.

1444
01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:05,400
Speaker 4: But if he's gonna go for takedowns on tuey Vasa

1445
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:08,440
Speaker 4: and tui Vasa can use some of that. Frankly, this

1446
01:05:08,520 --> 01:05:12,520
Speaker 4: you know athleticism, I would call it to frustrate him

1447
01:05:12,560 --> 01:05:15,120
Speaker 4: and then bring him into difficult spots and then you

1448
01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:17,560
Speaker 4: really kind of counteract him, flurry him in the middle

1449
01:05:18,040 --> 01:05:20,480
Speaker 4: when he's so slow to react. Yeah, that actually would

1450
01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:22,720
Speaker 4: be real beneficial for him. I mean, think about like this,

1451
01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:24,160
Speaker 4: twet Vasa is not in any way the rest of

1452
01:05:24,240 --> 01:05:27,800
Speaker 4: Daniel Cormier is. But imagine Cormier was fighting Volkov and

1453
01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:30,640
Speaker 4: wanted to stand with him, right, what would that look like?

1454
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:33,120
Speaker 4: Now ask yourself if tuiy Vasa can pull off a

1455
01:05:33,240 --> 01:05:33,960
Speaker 4: version of that.

1456
01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:36,080
Speaker 1: I think he can. I think he can.

1457
01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:38,120
Speaker 2: You got to crowd him. You gotta get inside on

1458
01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:40,800
Speaker 2: that on that, you know, against the cage wall, and

1459
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:42,800
Speaker 2: really work upper cuts and really, I mean go to

1460
01:05:42,840 --> 01:05:43,680
Speaker 2: the body too.

1461
01:05:43,560 --> 01:05:44,160
Speaker 1: To try to ye.

1462
01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:46,640
Speaker 2: I mean, look, here's the key question for me, Luke,

1463
01:05:47,160 --> 01:05:50,000
Speaker 2: because tui Vasa again surprised me at getting gone into

1464
01:05:50,040 --> 01:05:52,400
Speaker 2: that war and hurting him and really having a chance.

1465
01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:55,400
Speaker 2: He looked in a moment while while Gon was hurt

1466
01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:58,360
Speaker 2: on his feet that the windows suddenly opened to this

1467
01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:02,160
Speaker 2: idea I never considered before or that could Tuivasa combine

1468
01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:05,840
Speaker 2: his commercial appeal with the fact that he absolutely has

1469
01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:08,160
Speaker 2: big time power and is not afraid to wield it,

1470
01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:11,760
Speaker 2: mixed with that insane chin to actually maybe get to

1471
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:14,080
Speaker 2: the title level. I've never even considered that possible until

1472
01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:19,040
Speaker 2: that godefight. But can he get there without forcing a

1473
01:06:19,080 --> 01:06:22,640
Speaker 2: war and enduring big punishment and just being more of

1474
01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:25,120
Speaker 2: a you know, a more of a dog and more

1475
01:06:25,160 --> 01:06:27,840
Speaker 2: of a zombie than his opponent. Is there is there

1476
01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:30,760
Speaker 2: a version of Tuivasa that can actually shift it into

1477
01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:33,560
Speaker 2: his lead gear and beat you with his strengths or

1478
01:06:33,600 --> 01:06:34,440
Speaker 2: is that his strength?

1479
01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:34,720
Speaker 1: Luke?

1480
01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:37,040
Speaker 2: Basically can he get there without having to be a

1481
01:06:37,080 --> 01:06:38,400
Speaker 2: punching bag at the highest level.

1482
01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:41,600
Speaker 4: Yes, but it's gonna require him to do some moving,

1483
01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:44,720
Speaker 4: and it's gonna require him to push Volkov backwards. If

1484
01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:47,520
Speaker 4: he's getting pushed backwards, it's a big problem. And that's

1485
01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:49,840
Speaker 4: not the say it's funny because this is not nearly

1486
01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:52,760
Speaker 4: as true in boxing about backwards and forwards, although it

1487
01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:55,040
Speaker 4: can be true at times, but in m A it's.

1488
01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:59,120
Speaker 1: Really hyper predictive relatively speaking.

1489
01:06:59,200 --> 01:07:02,040
Speaker 4: So yes, I think it's again, dude, it's like it's tweet,

1490
01:07:02,080 --> 01:07:03,320
Speaker 4: us are gonna go in there, like I'll figure it

1491
01:07:03,360 --> 01:07:04,920
Speaker 4: out when I get in there with that big bastard

1492
01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:06,840
Speaker 4: blah blah blah, or like did he really do his

1493
01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:09,800
Speaker 4: homework to get ready for the particulars of who he's

1494
01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:12,120
Speaker 4: up against, because you've got such a I mean, here's

1495
01:07:12,120 --> 01:07:15,080
Speaker 4: the thing, right, Volkov is a very unique opponent. He's

1496
01:07:15,120 --> 01:07:20,160
Speaker 4: a six foot eight, six foot nine whatever. He is, well, okay,

1497
01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:22,920
Speaker 4: six seven, six eight. He's tall as shit, lanky but

1498
01:07:23,040 --> 01:07:27,800
Speaker 4: kind of slow footed Russian who's got very known weaknesses.

1499
01:07:27,320 --> 01:07:28,400
Speaker 1: And very known strengths.

1500
01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:31,080
Speaker 4: Like, dude, you this is I'm not saying he's easy

1501
01:07:31,160 --> 01:07:33,440
Speaker 4: to beat, that's not my point. But you don't have

1502
01:07:33,680 --> 01:07:35,560
Speaker 4: like an everyman type or like a guy who's kind

1503
01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:37,840
Speaker 4: of hard to get ready for it. He's tough to beat.

1504
01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:41,120
Speaker 4: He's got a very unique body type and style, like

1505
01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:44,200
Speaker 4: did you do your homework here? We're gonna see, We're

1506
01:07:44,200 --> 01:07:45,280
Speaker 4: gonna see, we're gonna we're.

1507
01:07:45,120 --> 01:07:49,520
Speaker 2: Gonna find out there. Also, Volkov said about fighting potentially

1508
01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:52,200
Speaker 2: his countryman Sergey Pavlovich if it comes to that point.

1509
01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:54,360
Speaker 2: He said they've trained together in the past and helped

1510
01:07:54,360 --> 01:07:57,200
Speaker 2: prepare each other. As far as Volkov is concerned, he

1511
01:07:57,240 --> 01:07:59,600
Speaker 2: would only fight Pavlovich if it was for the title.

1512
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:02,160
Speaker 2: I think that'll get them in Dana's crosshairs or is

1513
01:08:02,200 --> 01:08:03,000
Speaker 2: that a fair statement.

1514
01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:05,680
Speaker 1: No, they're going to fight each other, come on, all right,

1515
01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:06,040
Speaker 1: all right?

1516
01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:07,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the people from that area of the

1517
01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:10,080
Speaker 2: world seem to be about about it, even against you know,

1518
01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:11,400
Speaker 2: people in their own family if they had to.

1519
01:08:12,080 --> 01:08:14,000
Speaker 1: You got two dead ad Russians. They're going to defer

1520
01:08:14,080 --> 01:08:14,520
Speaker 1: to each other.

1521
01:08:14,600 --> 01:08:17,280
Speaker 2: I mean, come on, wow, wow, all right? Maybe yeah,

1522
01:08:17,320 --> 01:08:20,880
Speaker 2: I look the rest of this card, I don't want

1523
01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:22,400
Speaker 2: to talk about it. You can't make me, in fact,

1524
01:08:22,920 --> 01:08:24,760
Speaker 2: don't sit here and try to make me talk about

1525
01:08:24,800 --> 01:08:27,200
Speaker 2: this card that I don't care. Okay, thank you. Here's

1526
01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:29,240
Speaker 2: what I want to talk about, though, the extension of

1527
01:08:29,280 --> 01:08:34,479
Speaker 2: the Dana White Contender series media scrum afterwards. So here's

1528
01:08:34,479 --> 01:08:37,360
Speaker 2: the deal. Dana asked aggressively about a few different things,

1529
01:08:37,400 --> 01:08:40,840
Speaker 2: Saudi Arabia's investment in the PFL, and just the whole

1530
01:08:40,920 --> 01:08:44,519
Speaker 2: idea in general of what does this mean for PFL

1531
01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:46,960
Speaker 2: being a competitor. Let's listen in on the boss.

1532
01:08:48,320 --> 01:08:49,839
Speaker 1: This is just one hundred million dollars.

1533
01:08:49,880 --> 01:08:52,679
Speaker 4: But do you view them as a potential viable competitor

1534
01:08:52,680 --> 01:08:54,599
Speaker 4: if they decide we're going to open up the checkbook

1535
01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:56,200
Speaker 4: and we're going to try to be the UFC.

1536
01:08:56,920 --> 01:09:00,200
Speaker 11: There's been plenty of people that have opened the check book. Look,

1537
01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:03,479
Speaker 11: you know, to be a competitor, it's it's not about

1538
01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:07,280
Speaker 11: money that there's so many different As I sit back

1539
01:09:08,040 --> 01:09:12,120
Speaker 11: and being in this for twenty three years, and I

1540
01:09:12,280 --> 01:09:18,720
Speaker 11: watch everything that is done wrong, okay, And one of

1541
01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:21,639
Speaker 11: one of the big things, one of the big things

1542
01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:25,200
Speaker 11: you said in there, which is absolutely false, is that

1543
01:09:25,320 --> 01:09:30,200
Speaker 11: they pay more than the UFC, which is absolutely positively

1544
01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:37,240
Speaker 11: not true. But I do see them waste unbelievable amounts

1545
01:09:37,280 --> 01:09:41,000
Speaker 11: of money. And you can only waste unbelievable amounts of

1546
01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:44,120
Speaker 11: money for so long, no matter how much money somebody has.

1547
01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:45,360
Speaker 1: It's just.

1548
01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:49,920
Speaker 11: If you go in the dictionary and look up the

1549
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:59,040
Speaker 11: word business. Okay, there's business and then there's charities. I'm

1550
01:09:59,080 --> 01:10:01,920
Speaker 11: involved in both. I run a business and I do

1551
01:10:02,040 --> 01:10:05,439
Speaker 11: lots of things for charity. Most of these other guys

1552
01:10:05,479 --> 01:10:10,160
Speaker 11: are all running charities, not businesses. And like I said,

1553
01:10:10,240 --> 01:10:12,320
Speaker 11: you can only do that for so long before it

1554
01:10:13,800 --> 01:10:16,280
Speaker 11: or runs out and it ends. So we will see

1555
01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:20,680
Speaker 11: you know, I've seen you guys when you guys ask

1556
01:10:20,760 --> 01:10:23,120
Speaker 11: me these kind of questions. You asked me like, this

1557
01:10:23,320 --> 01:10:25,240
Speaker 11: is the first time I've seen things like this, So

1558
01:10:25,360 --> 01:10:29,000
Speaker 11: the first time somebody with money was getting involved. It's

1559
01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:29,879
Speaker 11: about a lot.

1560
01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:37,000
Speaker 2: More than money, Luke, I personally believe without facts, it's

1561
01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:39,679
Speaker 2: just my opinion that there's been some level of discussion

1562
01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:43,240
Speaker 2: considering PFLs also on ESPN and ESPN Plus and Disney

1563
01:10:43,280 --> 01:10:46,720
Speaker 2: owned there with the large deal that Dana has either

1564
01:10:46,800 --> 01:10:49,160
Speaker 2: been told or it's assumed like, let's not get into

1565
01:10:49,200 --> 01:10:52,519
Speaker 2: a war of war with war of words with PFL. Right,

1566
01:10:53,600 --> 01:10:56,680
Speaker 2: but Don Davis isn't backing down. He's basically saying, we're

1567
01:10:56,680 --> 01:10:58,920
Speaker 2: coming after your competing And that question from John Morgan

1568
01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:02,520
Speaker 2: was actually legit, like what if Saudi empties the truckloads

1569
01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:05,600
Speaker 2: of money and that becomes like the official financer of

1570
01:11:05,720 --> 01:11:09,040
Speaker 2: the pfl's attempt to try to compete here, That seems

1571
01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:11,559
Speaker 2: like a fair question, fair game. I get where Dana's

1572
01:11:11,560 --> 01:11:14,400
Speaker 2: saying that we've been here before, remember affliction, remember everybody,

1573
01:11:15,080 --> 01:11:17,599
Speaker 2: But I don't know if all of these everybody's truly

1574
01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:21,840
Speaker 2: had the money potentially that PFL could align themselves with.

1575
01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:25,840
Speaker 2: Is what Dana saying. The right response if you're on

1576
01:11:25,920 --> 01:11:26,840
Speaker 2: top and your number one.

1577
01:11:30,120 --> 01:11:32,200
Speaker 1: I understand why he's so confident.

1578
01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:36,759
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, when you have eighty plus percent

1579
01:11:36,920 --> 01:11:39,600
Speaker 4: of the world's best talent under lock and key, and

1580
01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:44,200
Speaker 4: the problem with the market that's operating is that the

1581
01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:49,479
Speaker 4: firm in which he operates has reached monopolistic status. Why

1582
01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:52,479
Speaker 4: would you be concerned. People think monopoly is a function

1583
01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:54,320
Speaker 4: of size, and it can be. I mean, yes, it

1584
01:11:54,560 --> 01:11:57,280
Speaker 4: quite clearly. Size is a is a key component, but

1585
01:11:57,360 --> 01:12:02,440
Speaker 4: it's just not really size. Its size that represents control.

1586
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:07,840
Speaker 4: And if you've got guys under contracts and they can't

1587
01:12:07,880 --> 01:12:10,320
Speaker 4: get out of it to go to another promoter in

1588
01:12:10,400 --> 01:12:13,240
Speaker 4: this particular case, or another firm, another business to go

1589
01:12:13,400 --> 01:12:17,439
Speaker 4: seek their opportunities, then yeah, he's right, you're just wasting

1590
01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:19,760
Speaker 4: money doing it. I mean, there is something to be

1591
01:12:19,800 --> 01:12:21,400
Speaker 4: said for this, right, Like you know, I watched the

1592
01:12:21,439 --> 01:12:23,680
Speaker 4: afflictions come and go, and the ifl's come and go,

1593
01:12:24,360 --> 01:12:26,400
Speaker 4: and the Elite xcs and everything else come and go

1594
01:12:27,160 --> 01:12:30,160
Speaker 4: before UFC had reached monopolistic status. And you know, I

1595
01:12:30,240 --> 01:12:32,519
Speaker 4: want to be clear that the UFC is certainly at

1596
01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:37,520
Speaker 4: that time was a very very strong, active, hardcore competitor

1597
01:12:37,800 --> 01:12:39,760
Speaker 4: and really wanted to show like what it looks like

1598
01:12:39,840 --> 01:12:43,200
Speaker 4: when MMA is promoted correctly versus kind of haphazardly. And

1599
01:12:43,200 --> 01:12:45,200
Speaker 4: now again they might have had some of many of

1600
01:12:45,240 --> 01:12:47,760
Speaker 4: the same kind of tactics and fighters were underpaid at

1601
01:12:47,800 --> 01:12:50,040
Speaker 4: that time too. It wasn't like utterly different, but it

1602
01:12:50,120 --> 01:12:52,160
Speaker 4: wasn't quite the same environment in which we live today,

1603
01:12:52,479 --> 01:12:54,600
Speaker 4: and they beat everybody. They beat everyone, so like I

1604
01:12:54,760 --> 01:12:57,120
Speaker 4: know that they know what they're doing when it comes

1605
01:12:57,160 --> 01:12:59,519
Speaker 4: to MMA promotion, and there is a fair criticism to

1606
01:12:59,560 --> 01:13:02,360
Speaker 4: be made, like guys who are raising this much money

1607
01:13:02,400 --> 01:13:05,919
Speaker 4: and spending this much money on a fucking doomed format

1608
01:13:06,400 --> 01:13:08,600
Speaker 4: of tournament models. There's a question of whether they know

1609
01:13:08,680 --> 01:13:11,880
Speaker 4: what they're doing long term, But that's really not what's

1610
01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:15,120
Speaker 4: at issue here. What's that issue here is they have

1611
01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:19,200
Speaker 4: the keys to the kingdom, and short of the intervention

1612
01:13:19,360 --> 01:13:22,080
Speaker 4: of law, no one can out compete them.

1613
01:13:22,240 --> 01:13:26,000
Speaker 1: And they know it. They know it, So that's the issue.

1614
01:13:26,520 --> 01:13:28,439
Speaker 2: So I don't come from a place here where I'm

1615
01:13:28,760 --> 01:13:31,000
Speaker 2: necessarily saying that the UFC should be nervous.

1616
01:13:31,120 --> 01:13:32,160
Speaker 1: No, nor do I.

1617
01:13:32,280 --> 01:13:35,080
Speaker 2: Necessarily believe that the PFL can pull off even in

1618
01:13:35,200 --> 01:13:38,960
Speaker 2: a short season, you know, a WCW type takeover and

1619
01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:42,760
Speaker 2: attack at the WWF meaning the UFC. But I'm here

1620
01:13:42,840 --> 01:13:45,439
Speaker 2: to say it's entertaining. I'm here to say their arrival,

1621
01:13:45,560 --> 01:13:48,720
Speaker 2: especially if they're pulling Saudi money now, which could lead

1622
01:13:48,760 --> 01:13:51,240
Speaker 2: to more who knows. I want to see more opportunities

1623
01:13:51,280 --> 01:13:53,120
Speaker 2: for the for the fighter and the free agency and

1624
01:13:53,160 --> 01:13:57,200
Speaker 2: more opportunities for the fans to enjoy a vibrant MMA market.

1625
01:13:57,560 --> 01:14:00,639
Speaker 2: The more competition there is, the better the program seems

1626
01:14:00,680 --> 01:14:02,920
Speaker 2: to be across the board in these type of setups,

1627
01:14:02,920 --> 01:14:05,240
Speaker 2: so I'm excited at that. But Luke, I feel like

1628
01:14:05,320 --> 01:14:08,240
Speaker 2: a war of words is inevitable and it's coming that.

1629
01:14:08,320 --> 01:14:10,479
Speaker 2: Maybe right now we're playing nice because they're on the

1630
01:14:10,479 --> 01:14:13,040
Speaker 2: same channel, but I don't think PFL if they're really

1631
01:14:13,120 --> 01:14:15,800
Speaker 2: gonna branch out next year and explode, and I don't

1632
01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:17,800
Speaker 2: have their you know, the specifics of their TV deal

1633
01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:19,320
Speaker 2: in front of me, but I feel like they have

1634
01:14:19,479 --> 01:14:21,479
Speaker 2: to be moving on from ESPN Plus and if and

1635
01:14:21,560 --> 01:14:24,280
Speaker 2: when they do, that's when this is a war, real war.

1636
01:14:24,720 --> 01:14:27,479
Speaker 4: Let me ask you, why is it you think that

1637
01:14:28,760 --> 01:14:36,800
Speaker 4: PFL hasn't like publicly commented or even cheerleaded the ongoing

1638
01:14:36,920 --> 01:14:39,640
Speaker 4: results of the fighter lawsuit where and again, all of

1639
01:14:39,680 --> 01:14:41,519
Speaker 4: it could be reversed on appeal. So you know, we

1640
01:14:41,520 --> 01:14:43,960
Speaker 4: all know the story, but right now it's looking bad

1641
01:14:44,040 --> 01:14:48,120
Speaker 4: for the UFC in a very preliminary stage, but they

1642
01:14:48,200 --> 01:14:50,400
Speaker 4: haven't commented on it. I'm like, dude, if I'm the PFL,

1643
01:14:50,640 --> 01:14:54,040
Speaker 4: that would be like the greatest fucking thing imaginable that

1644
01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:57,240
Speaker 4: if that happens where you know, the contracts are two

1645
01:14:57,320 --> 01:14:59,920
Speaker 4: years or less for the UFC. Well, dude, now the

1646
01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:03,280
Speaker 4: PFL can compete under those circumstances, they can compete.

1647
01:15:03,439 --> 01:15:04,920
Speaker 1: Why haven't they said anything, you think?

1648
01:15:06,280 --> 01:15:08,920
Speaker 2: I don't know. It's interesting. Is it because they're on

1649
01:15:08,920 --> 01:15:10,240
Speaker 2: the same network and they don't want to blow this

1650
01:15:10,360 --> 01:15:11,920
Speaker 2: up and turn this into a war. Or is it

1651
01:15:12,040 --> 01:15:15,679
Speaker 2: because yeah, there are potential fallout elements to a settlement

1652
01:15:16,479 --> 01:15:18,400
Speaker 2: that maybe they wouldn't want. I mean, they can they

1653
01:15:18,439 --> 01:15:20,640
Speaker 2: can play like we pay more, come here, and I

1654
01:15:20,680 --> 01:15:22,479
Speaker 2: get what Dana is saying, that's not true. Well, could

1655
01:15:22,600 --> 01:15:23,080
Speaker 2: be true.

1656
01:15:23,680 --> 01:15:25,240
Speaker 1: I'm definitely true in certain cases.

1657
01:15:25,320 --> 01:15:27,439
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, under the new pay per view model, which

1658
01:15:27,479 --> 01:15:29,120
Speaker 2: in their new pay per view division or whatever, that

1659
01:15:29,200 --> 01:15:31,479
Speaker 2: means that they're they're begetting fifty percent of the revenue.

1660
01:15:31,520 --> 01:15:35,280
Speaker 2: So yes, it's but that's dependent upon PFL delivering pay

1661
01:15:35,280 --> 01:15:38,639
Speaker 2: per views that hit that sell that that can raise

1662
01:15:38,760 --> 01:15:41,200
Speaker 2: the true you know, price tag for fighters in terms

1663
01:15:41,200 --> 01:15:43,439
Speaker 2: of what they can take home. But it's a it's

1664
01:15:43,439 --> 01:15:45,360
Speaker 2: a good question that you ask. I'm not really sure

1665
01:15:45,400 --> 01:15:47,040
Speaker 2: why they haven't used I mean that that would be

1666
01:15:47,160 --> 01:15:49,519
Speaker 2: a I would almost get Jake Paul to sit in

1667
01:15:49,560 --> 01:15:51,400
Speaker 2: front of a PFL banner and put out another like

1668
01:15:51,560 --> 01:15:55,160
Speaker 2: well crafted social retort video using facts and sort of

1669
01:15:55,240 --> 01:15:57,760
Speaker 2: doing that. Maybe next year is the big push where

1670
01:15:57,800 --> 01:16:01,760
Speaker 2: the their free agent like maybe they put it in gear.

1671
01:16:01,800 --> 01:16:05,160
Speaker 2: I mean you need as a free agent, as a

1672
01:16:05,439 --> 01:16:09,200
Speaker 2: landing spot for free agents, would they need the advancement

1673
01:16:09,240 --> 01:16:11,320
Speaker 2: of that lawsuit and the idea of some type of

1674
01:16:11,439 --> 01:16:13,360
Speaker 2: like two year contracts that could Yeah, they would need that.

1675
01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:15,800
Speaker 2: But what I think they also need, Luke is next

1676
01:16:15,920 --> 01:16:18,680
Speaker 2: year to come out with an absolute bang, get a

1677
01:16:18,760 --> 01:16:20,599
Speaker 2: lot of attention on the pay per views that they

1678
01:16:20,680 --> 01:16:23,439
Speaker 2: do launch, and have it be a thing where they

1679
01:16:23,479 --> 01:16:26,800
Speaker 2: can use the buzz from that to really begin the

1680
01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:30,680
Speaker 2: recruitment process, identifying whose contracts could be up, letting them

1681
01:16:30,760 --> 01:16:33,000
Speaker 2: know how much money they could potentially have because I

1682
01:16:33,040 --> 01:16:36,840
Speaker 2: don't know. Look, I'm getting excited by it for what

1683
01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:39,240
Speaker 2: it does for the fighters and again for the chaos

1684
01:16:39,320 --> 01:16:42,479
Speaker 2: and the entertainment level of it. But am I naively overlooking?

1685
01:16:42,520 --> 01:16:44,040
Speaker 2: What I do get a lot of fans coming back

1686
01:16:44,080 --> 01:16:46,720
Speaker 2: at me is that if this market completely opens up,

1687
01:16:48,240 --> 01:16:50,400
Speaker 2: the best won't be fighting the best. It's going to

1688
01:16:50,520 --> 01:16:53,680
Speaker 2: lead to a boxing like reality where people are going

1689
01:16:53,720 --> 01:16:55,519
Speaker 2: their different ways for the biggest offer, and it's going

1690
01:16:55,560 --> 01:16:57,720
Speaker 2: to be harder to make that. That is true, Luke,

1691
01:16:57,800 --> 01:17:00,479
Speaker 2: that is a potential fallout. Could that dam image this

1692
01:17:00,800 --> 01:17:03,879
Speaker 2: idealistic picture I have of a wide open free agent market.

1693
01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:07,360
Speaker 1: That could happen. I think we have to be honest

1694
01:17:07,360 --> 01:17:09,880
Speaker 1: about that. That could happen. Sure, you could absolutely get

1695
01:17:09,920 --> 01:17:12,320
Speaker 1: a world where it opens up to a.

1696
01:17:12,360 --> 01:17:15,000
Speaker 4: Point where guys are doing you know, I'm going to

1697
01:17:15,080 --> 01:17:17,920
Speaker 4: compete on ESPN with this promoter and I'm gonna peel

1698
01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:20,200
Speaker 4: on his own with that promoter, and their guys are

1699
01:17:20,240 --> 01:17:22,680
Speaker 4: only fighting their guys, and you know, everyone doesn't want

1700
01:17:22,680 --> 01:17:27,040
Speaker 4: to cross the proverbial lines that they need to cross

1701
01:17:27,040 --> 01:17:29,080
Speaker 4: in order to make fights happen. That is absolutely true,

1702
01:17:29,120 --> 01:17:31,559
Speaker 4: because I mean part of for example, we'll talk about later,

1703
01:17:31,640 --> 01:17:34,320
Speaker 4: but like you know, schakhor Stevenson and Frank Martin, that's

1704
01:17:34,360 --> 01:17:37,000
Speaker 4: gonna be a fight between two different promotional entities that

1705
01:17:37,120 --> 01:17:40,280
Speaker 4: is only necessarily being made because there's been a sanctioning body. Right,

1706
01:17:40,400 --> 01:17:44,080
Speaker 4: sanctioning body has essentially ordered it, and so as a consequence,

1707
01:17:44,120 --> 01:17:45,839
Speaker 4: that fight is now going to get made. You wouldn't

1708
01:17:45,880 --> 01:17:48,120
Speaker 4: have that mechanism in MMA. So yeah, you could get

1709
01:17:48,160 --> 01:17:51,280
Speaker 4: that scenario. H huh, you absolutely could. But like, I'm

1710
01:17:51,320 --> 01:17:52,840
Speaker 4: just trying to point out something to people, and that

1711
01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:57,120
Speaker 4: this is the argument to make the MMA industry fairer

1712
01:17:57,479 --> 01:18:00,200
Speaker 4: is not an argument you have to need to or

1713
01:18:00,240 --> 01:18:03,479
Speaker 4: even can really make to the fans. They can certain

1714
01:18:03,560 --> 01:18:05,040
Speaker 4: fans will be like, oh, I'm so glad that things

1715
01:18:05,040 --> 01:18:08,040
Speaker 4: are more equitable, but could you get a world where

1716
01:18:08,080 --> 01:18:11,000
Speaker 4: you get fewer best fight in the best scenarios. I

1717
01:18:11,040 --> 01:18:14,000
Speaker 4: don't think that's necessarily a given, but it is something

1718
01:18:14,120 --> 01:18:16,639
Speaker 4: that could happen. It is a risk, and we should

1719
01:18:16,680 --> 01:18:19,599
Speaker 4: be honest about that. The point of making the industry

1720
01:18:19,680 --> 01:18:22,160
Speaker 4: fairer is that it's the fucking ethical thing to do,

1721
01:18:22,720 --> 01:18:25,200
Speaker 4: and that you have to be a person who cares

1722
01:18:25,240 --> 01:18:27,600
Speaker 4: about those kinds of things and wants that for the

1723
01:18:27,680 --> 01:18:32,000
Speaker 4: world in order to like, you know, live more happily. Yeah,

1724
01:18:32,120 --> 01:18:34,240
Speaker 4: that's why you promote it, because it's the right thing

1725
01:18:34,320 --> 01:18:34,560
Speaker 4: to do.

1726
01:18:35,560 --> 01:18:37,639
Speaker 2: Dana also did a big dunk at the end when

1727
01:18:37,800 --> 01:18:41,800
Speaker 2: asked about the idea of PFL buying Belator and asked

1728
01:18:41,800 --> 01:18:45,040
Speaker 2: whether UFC had any interest in purchasing the promotion, and

1729
01:18:45,160 --> 01:18:47,880
Speaker 2: Dana said, quote, why on God's green fucking earth would

1730
01:18:47,880 --> 01:18:50,679
Speaker 2: anybody buy Belatore? So what are we just talking about

1731
01:18:50,720 --> 01:18:53,439
Speaker 2: with big So what we were just talking about with

1732
01:18:53,520 --> 01:18:55,759
Speaker 2: business and making the right moves and making the right decision.

1733
01:18:56,080 --> 01:18:58,840
Speaker 2: There's been lots of bad ones. Belatore would be one

1734
01:18:58,880 --> 01:19:02,599
Speaker 2: of the fucking biggest end quote. It's easy to dunk

1735
01:19:02,680 --> 01:19:06,360
Speaker 2: on in this point, Luke, in this situation, but there

1736
01:19:06,439 --> 01:19:10,439
Speaker 2: is value in Bellator's roster, particularly for a competitor like

1737
01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:15,160
Speaker 2: PFL to suddenly add that and increase the name critically

1738
01:19:15,240 --> 01:19:19,040
Speaker 2: respected fighters that you can plug in. Funny quote from data.

1739
01:19:19,240 --> 01:19:21,280
Speaker 2: But I don't think, you know, maybe maybe it's in

1740
01:19:21,400 --> 01:19:24,240
Speaker 2: his interest not to buy, But would it not be

1741
01:19:24,360 --> 01:19:26,120
Speaker 2: in his interest to at least think about it to

1742
01:19:26,160 --> 01:19:28,439
Speaker 2: try to block PFL? Or do they just believe the

1743
01:19:28,520 --> 01:19:30,759
Speaker 2: way things are set up PFL cannot compete.

1744
01:19:30,960 --> 01:19:35,280
Speaker 4: They literally would be as hell to buy Belatore out from,

1745
01:19:35,760 --> 01:19:37,800
Speaker 4: you know, a paramount.

1746
01:19:38,960 --> 01:19:40,880
Speaker 1: While being sued for antitrust.

1747
01:19:41,200 --> 01:19:43,640
Speaker 2: I mean, that's a vincrick Man move right there. Like

1748
01:19:43,680 --> 01:19:45,080
Speaker 2: that's a total extreme thing.

1749
01:19:45,280 --> 01:19:48,280
Speaker 4: I mean that would be like, we are utterly unconcerned

1750
01:19:48,320 --> 01:19:50,240
Speaker 4: with you peasants. I don't think that they'll do that,

1751
01:19:50,439 --> 01:19:52,360
Speaker 4: but you know, one never knows. And again the last

1752
01:19:52,400 --> 01:19:54,560
Speaker 4: I heard is that it's still PFLs to It's not

1753
01:19:54,680 --> 01:19:56,640
Speaker 4: a done deal, but it's still PFLs to have if

1754
01:19:56,680 --> 01:19:57,600
Speaker 4: they want to go through with it.

1755
01:19:57,760 --> 01:19:58,599
Speaker 1: So interesting.

1756
01:19:59,120 --> 01:20:00,880
Speaker 4: I mean, here's what I would say, I agree with you, like,

1757
01:20:01,080 --> 01:20:03,680
Speaker 4: is their value in buying Belatore? Well if okay, I'll

1758
01:20:03,720 --> 01:20:06,240
Speaker 4: put it this way, if I was running PFL, and

1759
01:20:06,360 --> 01:20:08,439
Speaker 4: of course I'm not, but if I were, there was

1760
01:20:08,640 --> 01:20:11,640
Speaker 4: huge value in buying Belator. You're buying a lot of

1761
01:20:11,880 --> 01:20:15,519
Speaker 4: great names. Dude, Patchy Mix, I'd go through Usman, Niermga,

1762
01:20:15,560 --> 01:20:17,160
Speaker 4: made Off. I mean, you can just go down the list.

1763
01:20:17,479 --> 01:20:20,519
Speaker 4: There are so many good fighters in Bellatore that I

1764
01:20:20,560 --> 01:20:23,759
Speaker 4: think would do really well for PFL as a brand.

1765
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:26,320
Speaker 4: But what I would say is does it make sense

1766
01:20:26,400 --> 01:20:29,400
Speaker 4: to keep if your PFL, to keep the Belatore brand

1767
01:20:29,439 --> 01:20:30,720
Speaker 4: alive is like a separate thing.

1768
01:20:30,880 --> 01:20:33,560
Speaker 1: Even if guys can go both directions. I don't get that.

1769
01:20:33,800 --> 01:20:35,280
Speaker 4: That doesn't to me make a lot of sense. If

1770
01:20:35,280 --> 01:20:38,160
Speaker 4: you're the PFL, Yes you want to buy the library rights,

1771
01:20:38,520 --> 01:20:39,719
Speaker 4: Yes you want to buy the roster.

1772
01:20:39,920 --> 01:20:42,560
Speaker 1: Both of those things would be a substantial boost, I

1773
01:20:42,640 --> 01:20:45,920
Speaker 1: think to their fortunes. But I don't understand the need.

1774
01:20:46,120 --> 01:20:48,240
Speaker 1: And I've heard that they are considering keeping both of

1775
01:20:48,280 --> 01:20:51,000
Speaker 1: the brands alive in the event that they make this purchase.

1776
01:20:51,160 --> 01:20:52,840
Speaker 1: I don't get that one at all. That part, to

1777
01:20:52,880 --> 01:20:54,120
Speaker 1: me just doesn't make any sense.

1778
01:20:54,479 --> 01:20:56,400
Speaker 2: No, no, not at all, unless it was just to

1779
01:20:56,479 --> 01:20:59,639
Speaker 2: play out an existing TV deal to end, you know whatever,

1780
01:20:59,720 --> 01:21:02,800
Speaker 2: like the strategic reason. But that's about it, all right, Luke,

1781
01:21:02,880 --> 01:21:05,040
Speaker 2: let's go to topic too. Let's get back in quick motion.

1782
01:21:05,200 --> 01:21:07,599
Speaker 2: Here a little bit of the hangover here from UFC Paris.

1783
01:21:07,680 --> 01:21:10,120
Speaker 2: You did put out an extra credit video on Monday

1784
01:21:10,520 --> 01:21:14,160
Speaker 2: recapping the events from the weekend Cyril Gon big time

1785
01:21:14,200 --> 01:21:17,360
Speaker 2: stoppage victory here in the second round over Sergey Pavlovitch,

1786
01:21:17,840 --> 01:21:21,240
Speaker 2: I want to talk about, Luke, what's next and the

1787
01:21:21,320 --> 01:21:24,679
Speaker 2: idea of this other lingering rise or a tom aspinall

1788
01:21:24,920 --> 01:21:27,759
Speaker 2: but first and foremost, I was impressed. I was impressed

1789
01:21:27,800 --> 01:21:31,280
Speaker 2: with the way he seemed to step into trying to

1790
01:21:31,360 --> 01:21:34,360
Speaker 2: be more dangerously offensive and trying to bring the big

1791
01:21:34,439 --> 01:21:36,880
Speaker 2: power strikes to speed back. And look what it did

1792
01:21:36,960 --> 01:21:38,719
Speaker 2: a guy that we don't look at as a dangerous

1793
01:21:38,760 --> 01:21:41,920
Speaker 2: finisher and gone wore him down, stopped him pretty one

1794
01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:45,200
Speaker 2: sided and brutally, and on top of that, we basically said, look,

1795
01:21:45,200 --> 01:21:47,760
Speaker 2: if Speedvac can take gone down, then he's going to

1796
01:21:47,800 --> 01:21:49,519
Speaker 2: be in the same spot he was against John Jones,

1797
01:21:49,560 --> 01:21:53,680
Speaker 2: against Anghan who really having that gaping hole of inadequacy

1798
01:21:53,720 --> 01:21:55,160
Speaker 2: in his game and not be able to fix it.

1799
01:21:55,640 --> 01:21:58,040
Speaker 2: I do think the takedown defense he showed in spots

1800
01:21:58,439 --> 01:22:02,240
Speaker 2: seemed to be positive and seemed to overall Luke, are

1801
01:22:02,320 --> 01:22:04,439
Speaker 2: you in on the idea that that Gon is now

1802
01:22:04,520 --> 01:22:07,160
Speaker 2: ready to go back into that title mix and should

1803
01:22:07,200 --> 01:22:09,599
Speaker 2: be looked at as a as somebody with some juice

1804
01:22:09,640 --> 01:22:10,760
Speaker 2: behind him that could pull it off.

1805
01:22:11,840 --> 01:22:15,320
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I think my take was bc that we

1806
01:22:15,479 --> 01:22:19,240
Speaker 1: didn't get his wrestling in any way fully tested, but

1807
01:22:19,439 --> 01:22:22,120
Speaker 1: to the extent it was tested, he answered it.

1808
01:22:22,520 --> 01:22:26,280
Speaker 4: I think that's pretty fair. There were a couple of

1809
01:22:26,640 --> 01:22:29,160
Speaker 4: evasion issues he had where he got clipped with one

1810
01:22:29,200 --> 01:22:31,439
Speaker 4: big woman, he got a little bit lazy, but in general,

1811
01:22:31,520 --> 01:22:34,640
Speaker 4: on the feet, you know, Spivak couldn't make grips. If

1812
01:22:34,680 --> 01:22:38,599
Speaker 4: you cannot make grips, underhook, you know, any of these

1813
01:22:38,800 --> 01:22:41,920
Speaker 4: you can't you can't get You just can't get anything going.

1814
01:22:42,080 --> 01:22:43,519
Speaker 1: And Gon was very very.

1815
01:22:43,680 --> 01:22:45,960
Speaker 4: Slippery, somewhat do to athleticism, but some would also do

1816
01:22:46,040 --> 01:22:48,439
Speaker 4: to better takedown defense. So I thought that was a

1817
01:22:48,479 --> 01:22:51,559
Speaker 4: good sign. And again on the feet in general, able

1818
01:22:51,640 --> 01:22:54,240
Speaker 4: to touch and go. His jab was great, and again

1819
01:22:54,720 --> 01:22:57,120
Speaker 4: linear shots down the middle right keeping the guy off

1820
01:22:57,160 --> 01:22:59,360
Speaker 4: of you, not the big winding ones that people can

1821
01:22:59,400 --> 01:23:02,040
Speaker 4: get underneath and caused problems, and it worked that he

1822
01:23:02,120 --> 01:23:03,320
Speaker 4: had a much better focus.

1823
01:23:03,800 --> 01:23:07,120
Speaker 1: He showed his athleticism. He showed I would say, you know.

1824
01:23:07,240 --> 01:23:09,720
Speaker 4: Still questionable because we don't have the full answer, but

1825
01:23:09,840 --> 01:23:12,400
Speaker 4: better takedown defense. This was a This was not an

1826
01:23:12,439 --> 01:23:15,799
Speaker 4: amazing performance by God, but this was a good, solid

1827
01:23:15,920 --> 01:23:19,800
Speaker 4: performance by him. And yes, I think given that, can

1828
01:23:19,880 --> 01:23:23,120
Speaker 4: you go into any aspinall or potential Pavlovitch fight and

1829
01:23:23,240 --> 01:23:25,920
Speaker 4: be like, oh, all of my questions are answered.

1830
01:23:25,920 --> 01:23:26,920
Speaker 1: I don't know if you can do that?

1831
01:23:27,160 --> 01:23:28,360
Speaker 2: Yeah you can, but you can't.

1832
01:23:28,840 --> 01:23:31,880
Speaker 1: But but but do I do I think that? Like, Hey,

1833
01:23:31,960 --> 01:23:33,840
Speaker 1: those are the fights you have to make, right, this

1834
01:23:33,960 --> 01:23:35,559
Speaker 1: is the fights you have to make. What else are

1835
01:23:35,600 --> 01:23:37,439
Speaker 1: you gonna fucking make for this guy? Those?

1836
01:23:37,600 --> 01:23:39,479
Speaker 4: This is just where he's at, That's the first thing

1837
01:23:39,520 --> 01:23:41,760
Speaker 4: I'd say. And like, do I think he can he's

1838
01:23:41,800 --> 01:23:43,160
Speaker 4: capable of winning either of those?

1839
01:23:43,760 --> 01:23:45,120
Speaker 1: Yes? Yes, I do so.

1840
01:23:45,439 --> 01:23:47,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, I don't want to be a debbie down here,

1841
01:23:47,680 --> 01:23:48,719
Speaker 2: I said, I was very impressed.

1842
01:23:48,760 --> 01:23:49,519
Speaker 1: I was very impressed.

1843
01:23:49,560 --> 01:23:52,080
Speaker 2: He walked in there with a lot of doubt following

1844
01:23:52,120 --> 01:23:54,280
Speaker 2: that John Jones loss, which was embarrassing a lot of ways.

1845
01:23:54,320 --> 01:23:56,800
Speaker 2: It really was, even even with John Jones's greatness, and

1846
01:23:56,920 --> 01:23:59,880
Speaker 2: in a main event in Paris with a rock and crowd,

1847
01:24:00,280 --> 01:24:02,200
Speaker 2: he delivered and he stopped the guy who had been

1848
01:24:02,280 --> 01:24:06,000
Speaker 2: red hot. But Luke, is there any fool's gold in

1849
01:24:06,080 --> 01:24:08,439
Speaker 2: this actual the way it played out? Because as much

1850
01:24:08,439 --> 01:24:11,000
Speaker 2: as Gon had laid an egg against John Jones and

1851
01:24:11,120 --> 01:24:14,640
Speaker 2: it seemed to have decent enough comments explaining it in

1852
01:24:14,720 --> 01:24:17,360
Speaker 2: the week leading up to this fight, dude Spevak did

1853
01:24:17,439 --> 01:24:19,840
Speaker 2: not put his best foot forward. I understand he was

1854
01:24:19,880 --> 01:24:25,080
Speaker 2: at tell me why he was at a deficiency from

1855
01:24:25,120 --> 01:24:27,640
Speaker 2: the idea of what God does best, setting up the

1856
01:24:27,680 --> 01:24:30,240
Speaker 2: strikes with footwork being lightning quick to get inside, and then,

1857
01:24:30,280 --> 01:24:32,600
Speaker 2: like I said, Gon, sitting down more and trying to

1858
01:24:32,680 --> 01:24:35,519
Speaker 2: be more dangerous. But look, Hustovak gonna win this fight

1859
01:24:35,560 --> 01:24:37,120
Speaker 2: if he tries a couple of takedowns and they get

1860
01:24:37,160 --> 01:24:39,439
Speaker 2: stuffed and then he stays behind the high guard. It's

1861
01:24:39,479 --> 01:24:42,400
Speaker 2: not necessarily claudy against Pacchio levels of what are we

1862
01:24:42,520 --> 01:24:45,760
Speaker 2: doing here? But he not only seemed to implode and

1863
01:24:45,880 --> 01:24:48,400
Speaker 2: break down as the constant pressure of Gon was all

1864
01:24:48,439 --> 01:24:50,639
Speaker 2: over him. And I'm not gonna say that God wasn't

1865
01:24:50,920 --> 01:24:52,439
Speaker 2: Gon was always going to be in that spot. In

1866
01:24:52,520 --> 01:24:54,400
Speaker 2: my eyes, he was going to light up Speedvac if

1867
01:24:54,439 --> 01:24:56,439
Speaker 2: it stayed on the feet. But at some point isn't

1868
01:24:56,720 --> 01:24:59,040
Speaker 2: speedback required to go after it to try to land

1869
01:24:59,040 --> 01:25:01,720
Speaker 2: a big shot? This wasn't a one strike finish. He

1870
01:25:01,840 --> 01:25:05,360
Speaker 2: got exhausted, worn down, worn out, and then standing behind

1871
01:25:05,400 --> 01:25:07,400
Speaker 2: the high guard, just got picked apart and he was stopped.

1872
01:25:07,840 --> 01:25:10,400
Speaker 2: That was hugely disappointing when we were using this fight

1873
01:25:10,760 --> 01:25:13,400
Speaker 2: for his own lit mistest to figure out is Spevac

1874
01:25:13,560 --> 01:25:15,800
Speaker 2: just the best of the ty Burrows Luke or is

1875
01:25:15,840 --> 01:25:20,360
Speaker 2: he actually something more? He failed disastrously in that regard.

1876
01:25:20,640 --> 01:25:22,439
Speaker 4: So, like, this is what I don't understand about the

1877
01:25:22,640 --> 01:25:26,400
Speaker 4: argument that Spivac oh just like oh he laid an egg,

1878
01:25:26,479 --> 01:25:28,280
Speaker 4: Well like, okay, he didn't look great. I mean I

1879
01:25:28,360 --> 01:25:30,559
Speaker 4: certainly agree with that, right, I mean, there's no denying,

1880
01:25:31,280 --> 01:25:33,080
Speaker 4: But this is the argument I don't get. It's like,

1881
01:25:33,479 --> 01:25:38,240
Speaker 4: tell me what you think he was actually capable of

1882
01:25:38,400 --> 01:25:41,000
Speaker 4: in terms of what skills he had that day that

1883
01:25:41,080 --> 01:25:45,040
Speaker 4: he had developed that he didn't use, that he could

1884
01:25:45,120 --> 01:25:49,000
Speaker 4: have used to get a different result. Because my view is, yeah,

1885
01:25:49,040 --> 01:25:51,639
Speaker 4: he used the skills that he has to this point,

1886
01:25:51,720 --> 01:25:54,880
Speaker 4: he just doesn't have, like, you know, clinching up and

1887
01:25:55,000 --> 01:25:59,200
Speaker 4: getting an inside trip on Augusto Sakai or Derek Lewis

1888
01:25:59,360 --> 01:26:02,000
Speaker 4: or something like that. That's much easier to do, significantly

1889
01:26:02,080 --> 01:26:04,880
Speaker 4: easier to do than it is against Cyril Gone for

1890
01:26:04,960 --> 01:26:08,080
Speaker 4: all of Gon's problems, especially in a big cage, that's

1891
01:26:08,160 --> 01:26:10,720
Speaker 4: just way, way, way way harder to do than it

1892
01:26:10,800 --> 01:26:13,000
Speaker 4: is against the Sikies of the world. So when people

1893
01:26:13,000 --> 01:26:15,840
Speaker 4: are like, oh, Spivac shit the bed, I'm like, right,

1894
01:26:15,960 --> 01:26:19,200
Speaker 4: but you're to say that, you're saying that he's got

1895
01:26:19,400 --> 01:26:22,560
Speaker 4: skills and he can do things he just didn't do

1896
01:26:22,680 --> 01:26:24,160
Speaker 4: because he had the wrong idea.

1897
01:26:24,360 --> 01:26:26,240
Speaker 1: I don't believe that. I think you got what you

1898
01:26:26,320 --> 01:26:27,439
Speaker 1: got because that's who he is.

1899
01:26:27,960 --> 01:26:29,800
Speaker 2: You get what you get and you don't get upset.

1900
01:26:29,880 --> 01:26:30,040
Speaker 1: Luke.

1901
01:26:30,120 --> 01:26:32,439
Speaker 2: I get your point in that regard. Was he ever

1902
01:26:32,560 --> 01:26:34,680
Speaker 2: going to be able to do big things if if

1903
01:26:34,760 --> 01:26:36,639
Speaker 2: a takedown wasn't part of it or if he didn't

1904
01:26:36,720 --> 01:26:40,480
Speaker 2: catch gone and get lucky with something big. The differences

1905
01:26:40,640 --> 01:26:43,360
Speaker 2: in technique and speed and setups and all that was clear,

1906
01:26:44,240 --> 01:26:44,960
Speaker 2: But you got to.

1907
01:26:45,040 --> 01:26:45,560
Speaker 1: Go for it.

1908
01:26:45,840 --> 01:26:48,320
Speaker 2: You know the guy coming after that, mean what does

1909
01:26:48,360 --> 01:26:50,760
Speaker 2: that mean? You know, the guy coming after you has

1910
01:26:50,920 --> 01:26:56,000
Speaker 2: shown of late some some red flags. So if you

1911
01:26:56,360 --> 01:26:58,880
Speaker 2: if afterward you got stopped anyway in the second round,

1912
01:26:58,920 --> 01:27:01,320
Speaker 2: which he did. I never saw a point where I

1913
01:27:01,400 --> 01:27:05,320
Speaker 2: saw Spevak throw caution to the wind, just say f it.

1914
01:27:05,640 --> 01:27:07,479
Speaker 2: You know I can't. I can't time this guy. So

1915
01:27:08,000 --> 01:27:11,080
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get super aggressive. I'm gonna pour one out. Look,

1916
01:27:11,160 --> 01:27:13,240
Speaker 2: this was his turning point fight, This was his big

1917
01:27:13,360 --> 01:27:15,400
Speaker 2: moment in a lot of ways. You got a guy

1918
01:27:15,400 --> 01:27:18,760
Speaker 2: who potentially wasn't maybe not damaged goods, but maybe was

1919
01:27:18,880 --> 01:27:20,800
Speaker 2: never going to be as great as we had hoped

1920
01:27:20,880 --> 01:27:24,320
Speaker 2: or thought originally seeing his initial rise, You've got to

1921
01:27:24,640 --> 01:27:27,439
Speaker 2: make You've got to question that. Physically, you got to

1922
01:27:27,520 --> 01:27:29,680
Speaker 2: take your swing, and again if it leads to you

1923
01:27:29,720 --> 01:27:31,560
Speaker 2: get encountered big and you get knocked out, well you

1924
01:27:31,640 --> 01:27:34,200
Speaker 2: got stopped anyway. So do you want to get stopped?

1925
01:27:34,960 --> 01:27:36,320
Speaker 2: I mean, do you want to lose like al Dona

1926
01:27:36,360 --> 01:27:37,800
Speaker 2: did against New nez Luk or do you want to

1927
01:27:37,840 --> 01:27:40,839
Speaker 2: lose like Jessica I did against jeff Chenko. Two extreme

1928
01:27:40,920 --> 01:27:44,080
Speaker 2: scenarios that are always the possibility in here, and I'm

1929
01:27:44,120 --> 01:27:46,479
Speaker 2: in my basement right now with no profights, Luke, So

1930
01:27:46,560 --> 01:27:49,439
Speaker 2: you understand the limitations of what my words can mean.

1931
01:27:50,040 --> 01:27:52,439
Speaker 2: But yeah, I expected in a five round main event

1932
01:27:52,680 --> 01:27:55,679
Speaker 2: where Speedvac was basically fighting for his future in terms

1933
01:27:55,680 --> 01:27:59,040
Speaker 2: of can he enter that upper elite room at heavyweight. Dude,

1934
01:27:59,080 --> 01:28:01,360
Speaker 2: he shit his pants. He didn't go for it, he

1935
01:28:01,400 --> 01:28:03,559
Speaker 2: didn't put it. He didn't give himself the best chance.

1936
01:28:03,920 --> 01:28:05,760
Speaker 2: Am I wrong? Luke? I don't think I'm wrong. I

1937
01:28:05,800 --> 01:28:06,439
Speaker 2: don't think I'm wrong.

1938
01:28:06,520 --> 01:28:08,600
Speaker 1: Dude. I don't think you're wrong in the sense that,

1939
01:28:09,200 --> 01:28:12,719
Speaker 1: you know, did he give that last ditch berserker effort,

1940
01:28:13,000 --> 01:28:15,120
Speaker 1: you know, like the true, oh my god, you know,

1941
01:28:15,520 --> 01:28:18,080
Speaker 1: just gonna go out on my shield kind of thing. No,

1942
01:28:18,240 --> 01:28:21,559
Speaker 1: he didn't do that, But the reality is that wouldn't

1943
01:28:21,600 --> 01:28:23,479
Speaker 1: have changed the fucking outcome either. Dude.

1944
01:28:23,840 --> 01:28:26,439
Speaker 2: The guy was a soft launch of that, Luke. There

1945
01:28:26,520 --> 01:28:28,679
Speaker 2: wasn't even a soft launch. He was sort of waiting

1946
01:28:28,760 --> 01:28:31,240
Speaker 2: around to get stopped. By that point. He got exhausted

1947
01:28:31,479 --> 01:28:32,439
Speaker 2: trying to cover up again.

1948
01:28:32,520 --> 01:28:34,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, here's what he I think, Here's what

1949
01:28:35,080 --> 01:28:35,280
Speaker 1: I mean.

1950
01:28:35,280 --> 01:28:37,200
Speaker 4: I'm not spoken to him, but my guess is that,

1951
01:28:38,080 --> 01:28:40,320
Speaker 4: you know, halfway through that first round, or even after

1952
01:28:40,360 --> 01:28:43,360
Speaker 4: the first round, he realized, oh fuck, I can't get

1953
01:28:43,400 --> 01:28:45,360
Speaker 4: a hold of this fucking guy, like I can't, I

1954
01:28:45,400 --> 01:28:48,080
Speaker 4: can't do shit. I cannot do absolutely shit to this guy.

1955
01:28:48,720 --> 01:28:52,120
Speaker 4: And he knew he was cooked. And I think that

1956
01:28:52,240 --> 01:28:54,479
Speaker 4: that mentally derailed him a little bit. Remember, I think

1957
01:28:54,520 --> 01:28:56,439
Speaker 4: spitback is what thirty or less. I think he still

1958
01:28:56,520 --> 01:28:57,519
Speaker 4: might even be in his twenties.

1959
01:28:57,560 --> 01:29:00,760
Speaker 1: And yeah, he's twenty eight, so he's still trying to

1960
01:29:00,800 --> 01:29:01,280
Speaker 1: figure this out.

1961
01:29:01,360 --> 01:29:03,280
Speaker 4: This will be a learning I think the real question is, like,

1962
01:29:03,600 --> 01:29:06,080
Speaker 4: you know, again, did he give that last ditch berserker effort? No,

1963
01:29:06,280 --> 01:29:07,599
Speaker 4: he didn't, but I don't think that would have changed

1964
01:29:07,640 --> 01:29:10,599
Speaker 4: the outcome. The real question to me is I actually

1965
01:29:10,640 --> 01:29:12,600
Speaker 4: want to see what he looks like after this. To

1966
01:29:12,720 --> 01:29:15,439
Speaker 4: what extent does he work on his athleticism, To what

1967
01:29:15,520 --> 01:29:17,679
Speaker 4: extent does he work on the things that really held

1968
01:29:17,760 --> 01:29:20,360
Speaker 4: him back here as he continues to develop as a

1969
01:29:20,400 --> 01:29:23,720
Speaker 4: heavyweight prospect and contender. That to me is actually the

1970
01:29:23,760 --> 01:29:26,600
Speaker 4: more interesting question versus like, oh why didn't he do

1971
01:29:26,800 --> 01:29:29,360
Speaker 4: more in a hopeless cause? Well, why don't more guys

1972
01:29:29,439 --> 01:29:32,720
Speaker 4: do shit in hopeless causes? Because they're fucking hopeless. I

1973
01:29:33,640 --> 01:29:35,519
Speaker 4: think he felt. I'm not saying we knew it was

1974
01:29:35,560 --> 01:29:38,120
Speaker 4: hopeless at the outset, like the osmakers had it close.

1975
01:29:38,400 --> 01:29:41,160
Speaker 4: I'm saying once he realized, oh God, damn it, I

1976
01:29:41,240 --> 01:29:43,400
Speaker 4: cannot get a hold of this guy, I think he

1977
01:29:43,600 --> 01:29:45,800
Speaker 4: was like, well, what am I supposed to do now?

1978
01:29:45,960 --> 01:29:49,759
Speaker 1: And he lost focus? And that was that versus versus

1979
01:29:49,840 --> 01:29:50,240
Speaker 1: guys like.

1980
01:29:50,240 --> 01:29:55,080
Speaker 4: Ben Wi Saint Denis, who are just ferocious attackers of

1981
01:29:55,160 --> 01:29:55,439
Speaker 4: the game.

1982
01:29:55,520 --> 01:29:57,720
Speaker 2: No matter what, show me intention, show me intention. I

1983
01:29:57,760 --> 01:29:59,920
Speaker 2: didn't see the intention. Luke, Okay, that's all I'm saying.

1984
01:30:00,160 --> 01:30:03,080
Speaker 2: Let's talk about the potential here of Gon re entering

1985
01:30:03,120 --> 01:30:06,320
Speaker 2: the title picture off of this win. So here's the idea, Luke,

1986
01:30:06,360 --> 01:30:09,800
Speaker 2: John Jones gonna fight mio chich in November. Sergey Pavlovitch

1987
01:30:10,120 --> 01:30:12,479
Speaker 2: has been set to be the backup for that fight,

1988
01:30:12,560 --> 01:30:15,560
Speaker 2: which really tells you he's got next and maybe delervedly so.

1989
01:30:16,760 --> 01:30:19,960
Speaker 2: So couldn't that or shouldn't that open up room for

1990
01:30:20,160 --> 01:30:24,120
Speaker 2: Gon and Tom aspinall to do a massive number one

1991
01:30:24,160 --> 01:30:27,639
Speaker 2: contender fight in Paris or London, your choice. Well, Luke

1992
01:30:27,920 --> 01:30:31,320
Speaker 2: Aspirinhall has been calling out Gon forever. Some of these

1993
01:30:31,400 --> 01:30:34,240
Speaker 2: comments got back to Gon during the UFC postfight show,

1994
01:30:34,560 --> 01:30:37,280
Speaker 2: and here was his quote. I know Tom called out

1995
01:30:37,320 --> 01:30:40,519
Speaker 2: my name, but that's perfectly normal in this position. He

1996
01:30:40,680 --> 01:30:43,519
Speaker 2: wants to go up the rankings, but me too, you

1997
01:30:43,600 --> 01:30:45,400
Speaker 2: know what I mean. This is the new era for

1998
01:30:45,439 --> 01:30:47,760
Speaker 2: the heavyweight division and you have some big movement. We're

1999
01:30:47,800 --> 01:30:49,960
Speaker 2: waiting for the big title fight with the two goats.

2000
01:30:50,200 --> 01:30:52,920
Speaker 2: Maybe they're going to retire after So for me, the

2001
01:30:53,080 --> 01:30:56,280
Speaker 2: good way is to go back see how everything plays out.

2002
01:30:56,360 --> 01:30:58,160
Speaker 2: It was my mission tonight to shine and prove that

2003
01:30:58,280 --> 01:31:00,120
Speaker 2: I'm here and I want to be back going for

2004
01:31:00,200 --> 01:31:02,280
Speaker 2: the belt. So we will see. We will see. For

2005
01:31:02,400 --> 01:31:05,280
Speaker 2: the moment, there has been some chatter, at least on

2006
01:31:05,360 --> 01:31:09,360
Speaker 2: my timeline, that Gon refuses to ever mention Aspinall's name

2007
01:31:09,400 --> 01:31:12,200
Speaker 2: and really is trying to avoid him. Do those comments

2008
01:31:12,320 --> 01:31:16,200
Speaker 2: echo that? And do you think the promotion could keep

2009
01:31:16,280 --> 01:31:18,400
Speaker 2: Gone in the bullpen and keep him away from Aspinall.

2010
01:31:19,560 --> 01:31:21,800
Speaker 1: No, they're going to fight. I don't know if they're

2011
01:31:21,840 --> 01:31:24,680
Speaker 1: going to fight next, but there's no way they avoid that,

2012
01:31:24,880 --> 01:31:27,400
Speaker 1: especially now since both are right around the title level,

2013
01:31:27,560 --> 01:31:30,479
Speaker 1: you know, like when they were ranked six and eight

2014
01:31:30,760 --> 01:31:33,320
Speaker 1: or eight and twelve or whatever it was, there wasn't

2015
01:31:33,400 --> 01:31:35,479
Speaker 1: much of a need for them to be put together.

2016
01:31:35,560 --> 01:31:38,560
Speaker 1: But dude, these two are on a collision course. I

2017
01:31:38,600 --> 01:31:39,560
Speaker 1: don't know when, I don't know.

2018
01:31:39,600 --> 01:31:41,519
Speaker 4: It could could be next, right, I mean, obviously that's

2019
01:31:41,520 --> 01:31:42,760
Speaker 4: what you're sort of alluding to and what they have

2020
01:31:42,840 --> 01:31:46,360
Speaker 4: alluded to. It all, doesn't it all depend bc on

2021
01:31:46,479 --> 01:31:50,080
Speaker 4: what happens in November between Jones and step A where dude,

2022
01:31:50,120 --> 01:31:52,280
Speaker 4: you might you know, in the case of Saint Pierre

2023
01:31:52,360 --> 01:31:55,680
Speaker 4: and Michael Bisping, I know Bisping fought Kelvin gastall what

2024
01:31:55,840 --> 01:31:57,400
Speaker 4: was it like two or three weeks later after that,

2025
01:31:57,760 --> 01:32:00,200
Speaker 4: But in reality that was a double retirement, was it not.

2026
01:32:00,479 --> 01:32:03,800
Speaker 4: Saint Pierre retired after that, and Michael Bisbee retired again

2027
01:32:03,920 --> 01:32:05,759
Speaker 4: two to three weeks after that after he got viciously

2028
01:32:05,840 --> 01:32:09,360
Speaker 4: kioed by Kelvin Gastolim. They might get the how funny

2029
01:32:09,439 --> 01:32:11,439
Speaker 4: is that you got basically not quiet, but you got

2030
01:32:11,520 --> 01:32:14,519
Speaker 4: basically a double retirement in New York when those guys

2031
01:32:14,560 --> 01:32:15,240
Speaker 4: fought the first time.

2032
01:32:15,240 --> 01:32:16,120
Speaker 1: I think that was in New York.

2033
01:32:16,120 --> 01:32:19,599
Speaker 4: If memory serves and then this one you're gonna get

2034
01:32:19,600 --> 01:32:21,479
Speaker 4: another fight in New York where you could also get

2035
01:32:21,520 --> 01:32:23,840
Speaker 4: a double retirement, in which case I think they would

2036
01:32:23,880 --> 01:32:27,400
Speaker 4: just make Gon either versus Pavlovitch or Aspinall, Pavlich whoever,

2037
01:32:27,520 --> 01:32:30,000
Speaker 4: or something like that for the heavyweight title.

2038
01:32:30,240 --> 01:32:31,960
Speaker 2: I'm glad you brought that up, because Dana was asked

2039
01:32:32,000 --> 01:32:34,800
Speaker 2: Tuesday night exactly about that. Will you set up a

2040
01:32:34,920 --> 01:32:38,840
Speaker 2: number one contender fight before Jones Miochich or are you

2041
01:32:39,000 --> 01:32:42,160
Speaker 2: worried that there may be exactly that a double retirement.

2042
01:32:42,840 --> 01:32:46,320
Speaker 2: Dana admitted that to be true. They are looking closely

2043
01:32:46,400 --> 01:32:48,760
Speaker 2: at that fight knowing that either guy could retire with

2044
01:32:48,840 --> 01:32:51,840
Speaker 2: a victory, so he doesn't want to declare that. So

2045
01:32:52,040 --> 01:32:56,120
Speaker 2: Luke could Gon avoid having to fight Aspinall until it's

2046
01:32:56,200 --> 01:32:59,280
Speaker 2: for the belt, particularly if that becomes vacant. Do you

2047
01:32:59,320 --> 01:33:01,559
Speaker 2: think God has cured the other slot in that.

2048
01:33:01,680 --> 01:33:02,439
Speaker 1: With this victory?

2049
01:33:02,960 --> 01:33:06,760
Speaker 4: Probably probably in that French market, dude. I also think

2050
01:33:06,800 --> 01:33:10,000
Speaker 4: that everyone there is like, ooh, there's real potential. You know,

2051
01:33:10,120 --> 01:33:14,360
Speaker 4: there's real potential there keeping gone in big relevant fights

2052
01:33:14,439 --> 01:33:18,519
Speaker 4: versus just keeping him busy that. You know, not everyone

2053
01:33:18,600 --> 01:33:21,439
Speaker 4: gets that treatment, but he might depending on how think

2054
01:33:21,520 --> 01:33:22,960
Speaker 4: it is just it's too hard to say.

2055
01:33:23,320 --> 01:33:24,920
Speaker 1: It's too hard to say. We got to see what

2056
01:33:25,000 --> 01:33:27,080
Speaker 1: happens with Jones, we got to see what happens with

2057
01:33:27,120 --> 01:33:30,200
Speaker 1: Steve a who wins weather both continue if they do.

2058
01:33:30,960 --> 01:33:32,839
Speaker 1: It's just it's very, very difficult.

2059
01:33:32,880 --> 01:33:35,680
Speaker 4: But like, those three guys are all going to fight

2060
01:33:35,760 --> 01:33:37,320
Speaker 4: each other, and I gotta tell you, I don't care

2061
01:33:37,400 --> 01:33:38,519
Speaker 4: which permutation it is.

2062
01:33:39,080 --> 01:33:40,840
Speaker 1: All of them are great, so let's get it.

2063
01:33:42,000 --> 01:33:44,280
Speaker 2: Wow, that would be That would mean that if let's

2064
01:33:44,280 --> 01:33:47,000
Speaker 2: say John retired, which you've been backing, is possible, is

2065
01:33:47,040 --> 01:33:49,960
Speaker 2: heavily possible entering November, that maybe it'd be gone in

2066
01:33:50,000 --> 01:33:52,960
Speaker 2: Pavlovitch next with aspinall waiting on deck. Either way, the

2067
01:33:53,000 --> 01:33:55,439
Speaker 2: heavyweight division is in a great spot. Even if those

2068
01:33:55,479 --> 01:33:58,800
Speaker 2: two legends come November walk away still top heavy, but

2069
01:33:58,960 --> 01:34:00,960
Speaker 2: the top is fun to see. I really don't know

2070
01:34:01,000 --> 01:34:02,760
Speaker 2: who's going to come out of that as champion. We'll

2071
01:34:02,760 --> 01:34:05,519
Speaker 2: have to see a final point, Luke quickly, just a

2072
01:34:05,560 --> 01:34:09,720
Speaker 2: one word answer. Can Gon win the UFC championship as

2073
01:34:09,800 --> 01:34:12,559
Speaker 2: it stands? With Ferdinand Lopez in his corner? We had

2074
01:34:12,640 --> 01:34:14,560
Speaker 2: Jed Meshu of MM Fighting, who filled in for you

2075
01:34:14,640 --> 01:34:17,639
Speaker 2: last Friday and in a Jed Meshu style, just said, look,

2076
01:34:17,680 --> 01:34:20,920
Speaker 2: this man is not a very good coach. I've got

2077
01:34:21,040 --> 01:34:24,800
Speaker 2: questions about gon so gone passed the test, but does

2078
01:34:24,880 --> 01:34:27,280
Speaker 2: he need another voice? Does he need anything? Give me

2079
01:34:27,320 --> 01:34:28,679
Speaker 2: a yes or no on that I'm interested.

2080
01:34:29,800 --> 01:34:33,240
Speaker 1: Yes, he does need another voice. Yes, all right, there

2081
01:34:33,280 --> 01:34:33,439
Speaker 1: we go.

2082
01:34:33,560 --> 01:34:36,479
Speaker 2: We'll see what happens there quickly. As well. Luke rosnama

2083
01:34:36,560 --> 01:34:39,400
Speaker 2: Unis has gone public during a live Instagram to address

2084
01:34:39,439 --> 01:34:41,479
Speaker 2: a couple of things in the fallout of her lost

2085
01:34:41,560 --> 01:34:43,240
Speaker 2: him in on Faro, her one hundred and twenty five

2086
01:34:43,280 --> 01:34:46,840
Speaker 2: pound debut and watch it and what the fight?

2087
01:34:47,479 --> 01:34:47,519
Speaker 10: No?

2088
01:34:47,720 --> 01:34:50,320
Speaker 1: No, her comments, No, I have the I.

2089
01:34:50,360 --> 01:34:52,519
Speaker 2: Have the quotes. I didn't see the tone, did you

2090
01:34:53,400 --> 01:34:53,680
Speaker 2: I did.

2091
01:34:53,760 --> 01:34:55,240
Speaker 1: I was just curious to see if you were wearing

2092
01:34:55,320 --> 01:34:55,800
Speaker 1: pants or not.

2093
01:34:56,120 --> 01:34:59,320
Speaker 2: Oh, this is just disgusting. Anyway, Luke, she had broken

2094
01:34:59,400 --> 01:35:01,680
Speaker 2: the pink finger on her hand, was essentially a one

2095
01:35:01,720 --> 01:35:05,599
Speaker 2: handed fighter, lost a competitive decision, but she was told

2096
01:35:05,680 --> 01:35:08,719
Speaker 2: by fans that Manona said after the fight that Rose

2097
01:35:08,840 --> 01:35:12,720
Speaker 2: is too small and should immediately go back to strawweight.

2098
01:35:12,840 --> 01:35:15,840
Speaker 2: So here's Rose's comments. I think I dropped her ass,

2099
01:35:15,920 --> 01:35:18,080
Speaker 2: so I'm definitely not too small. I might have had

2100
01:35:18,120 --> 01:35:20,080
Speaker 2: some moments of freaking out because I couldn't grip my

2101
01:35:20,160 --> 01:35:23,160
Speaker 2: fingers together and I couldn't make a fist, But definitely

2102
01:35:23,240 --> 01:35:25,920
Speaker 2: not too small. If anything, why were you running away

2103
01:35:25,960 --> 01:35:28,720
Speaker 2: from somebody so small? What did you originally call me

2104
01:35:28,840 --> 01:35:31,639
Speaker 2: out for? If I'm too small, I have no problems

2105
01:35:31,680 --> 01:35:34,720
Speaker 2: if she thinks she won great respect, But don't say

2106
01:35:34,720 --> 01:35:37,120
Speaker 2: I'm too small, because that's not the case at all.

2107
01:35:37,439 --> 01:35:39,640
Speaker 2: Luke Rose would go to say that she's going to

2108
01:35:39,680 --> 01:35:42,000
Speaker 2: stay at one twenty five. She loves the way she

2109
01:35:42,080 --> 01:35:44,080
Speaker 2: felt not having to cut down the weight and is

2110
01:35:44,160 --> 01:35:48,000
Speaker 2: actually encouraged by her one handed performance. Is that the

2111
01:35:48,120 --> 01:35:51,000
Speaker 2: right call to stay in this weight class? And would

2112
01:35:51,040 --> 01:35:54,040
Speaker 2: you like her chances fully healthy against Manol or anybody

2113
01:35:54,080 --> 01:35:54,960
Speaker 2: atop this division.

2114
01:35:55,360 --> 01:35:56,960
Speaker 1: I didn't love it. I'd be curious to get your

2115
01:35:57,040 --> 01:35:58,800
Speaker 1: perspective on this, since I already kind of covered it.

2116
01:35:58,880 --> 01:35:59,679
Speaker 1: But I didn't.

2117
01:36:00,240 --> 01:36:03,920
Speaker 4: I didn't get the sense that she was like hopelessly overmatched.

2118
01:36:04,040 --> 01:36:06,599
Speaker 4: I didn't get that sense. But I did not get

2119
01:36:06,640 --> 01:36:08,960
Speaker 4: the sense that this was a good fit.

2120
01:36:09,160 --> 01:36:11,439
Speaker 1: Now, the caveat is that it can take some time

2121
01:36:11,560 --> 01:36:14,080
Speaker 1: to really build into a weight class, and so you know,

2122
01:36:14,200 --> 01:36:16,599
Speaker 1: fighting a top contender for your first one twenty five fight.

2123
01:36:16,920 --> 01:36:18,000
Speaker 1: Maybe that wasn't the best idea.

2124
01:36:18,040 --> 01:36:20,519
Speaker 4: Maybe she should have fought someone six to ten or

2125
01:36:20,560 --> 01:36:23,720
Speaker 4: even eleven to fifteen, kind of like your first entry

2126
01:36:23,800 --> 01:36:24,599
Speaker 4: into the weight class.

2127
01:36:25,280 --> 01:36:26,360
Speaker 1: So we'll see how it goes.

2128
01:36:26,400 --> 01:36:28,719
Speaker 4: And again the pinky being all fucked up can only

2129
01:36:28,840 --> 01:36:30,720
Speaker 4: have made things much worse than they needed to be.

2130
01:36:31,120 --> 01:36:33,960
Speaker 4: But like when she got hit with men on shots,

2131
01:36:34,240 --> 01:36:36,560
Speaker 4: you could see the effect when she hit her it

2132
01:36:36,600 --> 01:36:39,200
Speaker 4: did almost nothing. Again, by and large, it didn't look

2133
01:36:39,280 --> 01:36:40,759
Speaker 4: like nearly it was having.

2134
01:36:40,600 --> 01:36:41,719
Speaker 1: The same kind of effect.

2135
01:36:41,880 --> 01:36:44,559
Speaker 4: And when they were like clinched up, she was clearly

2136
01:36:44,680 --> 01:36:47,519
Speaker 4: the less strong person. Right, She's clearly the weaker person.

2137
01:36:47,720 --> 01:36:49,880
Speaker 4: So I'd be curious to know what you thought about that,

2138
01:36:50,000 --> 01:36:53,799
Speaker 4: But I did. I'll say this not an auspicious beginning

2139
01:36:53,880 --> 01:36:55,320
Speaker 4: for a one to twenty five campaign.

2140
01:36:55,479 --> 01:36:58,519
Speaker 2: Now, I was torn watching it, meaning while I did

2141
01:36:58,600 --> 01:37:02,280
Speaker 2: think she fought very well competitively with one hand and

2142
01:37:02,520 --> 01:37:05,040
Speaker 2: did drop MANONU twice, although the second one they felt

2143
01:37:05,120 --> 01:37:07,720
Speaker 2: was more of manone's legs kind of catching each other

2144
01:37:07,800 --> 01:37:11,080
Speaker 2: as she was switching stances and stumbled. But at the

2145
01:37:11,120 --> 01:37:13,560
Speaker 2: same time, you're right that some of the parts of

2146
01:37:13,600 --> 01:37:16,080
Speaker 2: her game that she's used to having success on she

2147
01:37:16,720 --> 01:37:18,519
Speaker 2: was having none of it. I mean, you know, Manonan

2148
01:37:18,680 --> 01:37:20,840
Speaker 2: was working that one too, and particularly that jet. Not

2149
01:37:21,040 --> 01:37:23,479
Speaker 2: just that defensive jab was key from Manon, but she

2150
01:37:23,640 --> 01:37:25,599
Speaker 2: was throwing a lot of that little like lead sort

2151
01:37:25,640 --> 01:37:28,280
Speaker 2: of looping left hand that that was finding the mark

2152
01:37:28,320 --> 01:37:31,720
Speaker 2: too in stinging rows. If she's fully healthy, though, Luke,

2153
01:37:31,800 --> 01:37:35,320
Speaker 2: that's the question. I didn't even realize that because I'd

2154
01:37:35,320 --> 01:37:37,920
Speaker 2: watched the fight with the commentary down that that finger

2155
01:37:38,240 --> 01:37:39,880
Speaker 2: was that much of a problem. And I saw the

2156
01:37:39,920 --> 01:37:42,040
Speaker 2: comments from her that she feels like she would have

2157
01:37:42,080 --> 01:37:44,600
Speaker 2: had much more wrestling success if she was able to

2158
01:37:45,000 --> 01:37:47,720
Speaker 2: grip with the hand with the broken finger. I've never

2159
01:37:47,760 --> 01:37:49,920
Speaker 2: been through that, Luke. I can't comment on that. But

2160
01:37:50,120 --> 01:37:52,680
Speaker 2: is she young enough and still very good enough that

2161
01:37:52,840 --> 01:37:56,280
Speaker 2: fully healthy could she be a problem in the at

2162
01:37:56,360 --> 01:37:59,400
Speaker 2: the flyway to lead. I'm not convinced yet that the

2163
01:37:59,439 --> 01:38:01,479
Speaker 2: answer is no. I don't I'm not going to say

2164
01:38:01,479 --> 01:38:02,960
Speaker 2: that was a perfect debut. I'm not going to say

2165
01:38:02,960 --> 01:38:05,240
Speaker 2: there's not a lot of questions, but she dropped for

2166
01:38:05,400 --> 01:38:08,680
Speaker 2: Roh twice. I know that the wrestling of Blanchefield and

2167
01:38:08,720 --> 01:38:12,080
Speaker 2: even Chefchenko and Grosso. You know, with her not being

2168
01:38:12,120 --> 01:38:14,800
Speaker 2: able to have that size advantage normally Rose has the

2169
01:38:15,080 --> 01:38:17,680
Speaker 2: height in reach advantage as a large strawweight. That's not

2170
01:38:17,800 --> 01:38:20,840
Speaker 2: there anymore. But she does have incredible techniques. She does

2171
01:38:20,920 --> 01:38:23,320
Speaker 2: have power, at least from what I've seen in dropping

2172
01:38:23,360 --> 01:38:24,720
Speaker 2: for Row twice. You know, when you want to move

2173
01:38:24,840 --> 01:38:27,000
Speaker 2: up to fight Valentina for the vacant title, you knew

2174
01:38:27,080 --> 01:38:28,840
Speaker 2: right away she couldn't hurt anybody in this division. It

2175
01:38:28,920 --> 01:38:31,240
Speaker 2: was going to be a problem. I think Rose can

2176
01:38:31,880 --> 01:38:33,880
Speaker 2: if she's got the two working hands. I'm willing to

2177
01:38:33,960 --> 01:38:36,839
Speaker 2: see what her wrestling in jiu jitsu looks like without

2178
01:38:36,920 --> 01:38:39,519
Speaker 2: that broken pinky. Basically, I'm saying I'm willing to give

2179
01:38:39,520 --> 01:38:42,120
Speaker 2: her another shot Luke, because she does have striking to

2180
01:38:42,120 --> 01:38:45,760
Speaker 2: give Aaron Blanchefield issues. She's still outwardly saying that she

2181
01:38:45,880 --> 01:38:48,880
Speaker 2: loves and respects Valentina so much that they've trained together before,

2182
01:38:48,920 --> 01:38:50,479
Speaker 2: and she would love to do a fight just for

2183
01:38:50,640 --> 01:38:52,720
Speaker 2: historical purposes, to have a you know, a big deal.

2184
01:38:53,640 --> 01:38:54,960
Speaker 2: I don't know. I got to see it one more

2185
01:38:55,040 --> 01:38:57,080
Speaker 2: time because you know, Grosso used to be a fly

2186
01:38:57,360 --> 01:38:59,680
Speaker 2: a strawweight, Luke, is that is that a fight she

2187
01:38:59,720 --> 01:39:03,200
Speaker 2: can't I'm not sure there's questions this is the second

2188
01:39:03,240 --> 01:39:05,160
Speaker 2: half of her career, but I want to see that

2189
01:39:05,280 --> 01:39:08,400
Speaker 2: proven now. Her response to the follow up question regarding

2190
01:39:08,439 --> 01:39:12,479
Speaker 2: Trevor Whitman does also increase that take. I just gave you, Luke,

2191
01:39:12,680 --> 01:39:14,639
Speaker 2: if you had told me that Pat Berry only would

2192
01:39:14,680 --> 01:39:17,680
Speaker 2: be her head coach moving forward, and the heavily criticized

2193
01:39:17,680 --> 01:39:20,320
Speaker 2: Pat Barry after that performance over the weekend. I might

2194
01:39:20,360 --> 01:39:23,519
Speaker 2: have had some concerns about the focus here, but here's

2195
01:39:23,640 --> 01:39:26,439
Speaker 2: Rose disproving that she was saying, Look, Trevor not being there,

2196
01:39:26,479 --> 01:39:28,760
Speaker 2: I want to address, but I don't want people making

2197
01:39:28,880 --> 01:39:31,360
Speaker 2: assumptions that Pat has anything to do with this. It

2198
01:39:31,479 --> 01:39:33,599
Speaker 2: was kind of stuff related to me and gae Chee

2199
01:39:33,800 --> 01:39:35,680
Speaker 2: and his BMF title camp that he had going on.

2200
01:39:35,960 --> 01:39:39,160
Speaker 2: It's honestly nobody's business, of course, because everybody wants to

2201
01:39:39,320 --> 01:39:41,840
Speaker 2: chime in on Pat and make assumptions because that's the

2202
01:39:41,880 --> 01:39:43,720
Speaker 2: way things are. No matter what, people are just going

2203
01:39:43,760 --> 01:39:46,439
Speaker 2: to assume he's the reason Trevor isn't in my corner.

2204
01:39:46,800 --> 01:39:48,960
Speaker 2: It has nothing to do with Pat. It has everything

2205
01:39:49,000 --> 01:39:51,840
Speaker 2: to do with me and gay Chee. Blah blah blah. Luke.

2206
01:39:51,880 --> 01:39:53,680
Speaker 2: She went on to reveal that they have built a

2207
01:39:53,880 --> 01:39:57,000
Speaker 2: gym in their new house in Colorado. So with Trevor

2208
01:39:57,120 --> 01:39:59,880
Speaker 2: not there, they still kept in contact remotely about the

2209
01:40:00,040 --> 01:40:02,840
Speaker 2: game plans, but Pat ran the camp and didn't force

2210
01:40:02,920 --> 01:40:05,280
Speaker 2: Trevor Whitman out. If you're telling me Whitman will be

2211
01:40:05,360 --> 01:40:08,240
Speaker 2: there moving forward, yes, I think she deserves a second

2212
01:40:08,360 --> 01:40:11,519
Speaker 2: chance with a fully healthy hand there at what she

2213
01:40:11,600 --> 01:40:12,880
Speaker 2: might be able to do in this division.

2214
01:40:14,360 --> 01:40:19,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, the Trevor Whitman thing, I don't understand fully, but

2215
01:40:19,280 --> 01:40:22,160
Speaker 4: I guess there was like competing schedules. Also, he didn't

2216
01:40:22,160 --> 01:40:23,920
Speaker 4: have a gymerity because I guess his gym is moving,

2217
01:40:24,760 --> 01:40:25,040
Speaker 4: and so.

2218
01:40:25,880 --> 01:40:26,880
Speaker 1: She just couldn't be there.

2219
01:40:27,040 --> 01:40:29,439
Speaker 4: So again that you know, people were beating up on

2220
01:40:29,520 --> 01:40:33,519
Speaker 4: Pat Barry, I think I somewhat understand it. There was

2221
01:40:33,560 --> 01:40:37,360
Speaker 4: an idea around, you know, not putting more of an

2222
01:40:37,360 --> 01:40:39,640
Speaker 4: emphasis on leg kicks and when they could have been

2223
01:40:39,720 --> 01:40:42,519
Speaker 4: valuable and and you know, especially since her hand was

2224
01:40:42,560 --> 01:40:45,840
Speaker 4: all fucked up, but certainly Trevor was going.

2225
01:40:45,760 --> 01:40:46,840
Speaker 1: To be one of the best, you know, in the

2226
01:40:46,920 --> 01:40:47,760
Speaker 1: game for that. I mean.

2227
01:40:47,800 --> 01:40:49,479
Speaker 4: Also, here's the other part that was weird too, right,

2228
01:40:49,600 --> 01:40:51,200
Speaker 4: Like we're all trying to be like, well, it wasn't

2229
01:40:51,200 --> 01:40:53,240
Speaker 4: the best representation of Rose, and I think that's true.

2230
01:40:53,400 --> 01:40:56,439
Speaker 4: Was not the best representation of Rose, But like Howlett

2231
01:40:56,479 --> 01:40:58,720
Speaker 4: Gracie was there, Like why is Halleck Gracie there?

2232
01:40:58,880 --> 01:41:01,040
Speaker 1: You know, I don't I don't quite get that.

2233
01:41:01,800 --> 01:41:04,000
Speaker 4: He is a black belt certainly, and that's valuable, but

2234
01:41:04,640 --> 01:41:08,080
Speaker 4: he's not like known as a strong jiu jitsu coach.

2235
01:41:08,160 --> 01:41:10,320
Speaker 4: Now maybe he has become one, but that would be new.

2236
01:41:10,840 --> 01:41:13,479
Speaker 4: That's not something that's well established, I guess, is my point.

2237
01:41:13,960 --> 01:41:14,160
Speaker 2: Guess.

2238
01:41:14,160 --> 01:41:15,360
Speaker 4: The thing I'm trying to say is like there was

2239
01:41:15,400 --> 01:41:18,439
Speaker 4: just a lot of okay, this is that. That's good

2240
01:41:19,120 --> 01:41:21,400
Speaker 4: and this didn't go great and you can forgive that,

2241
01:41:21,640 --> 01:41:24,400
Speaker 4: but then there's this middle part that's like, right, okay,

2242
01:41:24,439 --> 01:41:26,880
Speaker 4: so there was some good and then it's very forgivable bad.

2243
01:41:27,439 --> 01:41:28,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's the shit in the middle here?

2244
01:41:29,600 --> 01:41:30,000
Speaker 9: What is that?

2245
01:41:30,240 --> 01:41:32,280
Speaker 1: And I don't think that I've fighter.

2246
01:41:33,160 --> 01:41:35,720
Speaker 2: She did fight a great fighter at home in sort

2247
01:41:35,720 --> 01:41:37,679
Speaker 2: of a penultimate fight to set up a title shot

2248
01:41:37,800 --> 01:41:41,160
Speaker 2: Luke so and she was she didn't falter even with

2249
01:41:41,360 --> 01:41:44,160
Speaker 2: the injury, like she knocked down men all round three

2250
01:41:44,240 --> 01:41:46,200
Speaker 2: and was kind of trying to rally. So I think

2251
01:41:46,240 --> 01:41:49,120
Speaker 2: there's enough of those key elements that you put together

2252
01:41:49,160 --> 01:41:51,080
Speaker 2: that you go, look, we got to pause and wait

2253
01:41:51,120 --> 01:41:53,280
Speaker 2: to see more. We got to live on her youth

2254
01:41:53,360 --> 01:41:56,519
Speaker 2: in reputation to some degree, she's not anciently old, Luke.

2255
01:41:56,720 --> 01:41:59,000
Speaker 2: She still has something like ten pro fights. I mean,

2256
01:41:59,040 --> 01:42:01,599
Speaker 2: she's got the most, you know, or ten thirteen fourteen

2257
01:42:01,640 --> 01:42:03,759
Speaker 2: pro fight. She's has one of the most bizarre careers

2258
01:42:04,000 --> 01:42:06,280
Speaker 2: we've ever seen in that regard, and I guess it

2259
01:42:06,360 --> 01:42:10,080
Speaker 2: continues after this. But if she had, let's say, parted

2260
01:42:10,120 --> 01:42:12,240
Speaker 2: ways with Trevor and this was a Pat Berry production

2261
01:42:12,400 --> 01:42:15,000
Speaker 2: moving forward, it's fair. That's I think that's fair to

2262
01:42:15,040 --> 01:42:16,840
Speaker 2: criticize what that what that means Luke.

2263
01:42:16,760 --> 01:42:18,519
Speaker 1: Right, Yes, for sure, Oh that's fair.

2264
01:42:18,640 --> 01:42:21,000
Speaker 2: I'm sure he's an incredible motivator and all that, and

2265
01:42:21,360 --> 01:42:23,840
Speaker 2: certainly has knowledge as the next fighter. But there was

2266
01:42:23,960 --> 01:42:27,559
Speaker 2: something about the sophistication of her game planning and striking

2267
01:42:27,680 --> 01:42:30,760
Speaker 2: under witmen that really made her the all time great

2268
01:42:30,840 --> 01:42:31,120
Speaker 2: she is.

2269
01:42:31,680 --> 01:42:33,960
Speaker 1: I don't think people love Pat Barry when he's like,

2270
01:42:34,160 --> 01:42:35,400
Speaker 1: uh okay.

2271
01:42:35,439 --> 01:42:38,280
Speaker 4: When I say people, I mean, like, what I see

2272
01:42:38,400 --> 01:42:41,640
Speaker 4: from the fan base is that they like him in

2273
01:42:41,720 --> 01:42:43,800
Speaker 4: a more flavor flave kind of role, you know what

2274
01:42:43,880 --> 01:42:47,680
Speaker 4: I mean. Hype man, get her pump fuck for fire man.

2275
01:42:47,760 --> 01:42:49,840
Speaker 4: We live in the we live in the fire, whatever

2276
01:42:49,920 --> 01:42:52,559
Speaker 4: it is. I know that's Teddy Atlas, but I'm just saying,

2277
01:42:52,640 --> 01:42:53,760
Speaker 4: like that kind of role.

2278
01:42:53,840 --> 01:42:54,200
Speaker 1: They love.

2279
01:42:54,240 --> 01:42:57,280
Speaker 2: You're the best, You're the mother f and best. Yeah yeah, indeed, indeed,

2280
01:42:57,640 --> 01:43:00,519
Speaker 2: let's go to boxing here for topic number three. Before

2281
01:43:00,520 --> 01:43:03,000
Speaker 2: we get to some sheiat to close the door. Uh,

2282
01:43:03,680 --> 01:43:05,840
Speaker 2: this is big for boxing fans. Twenty twenty three has

2283
01:43:05,920 --> 01:43:09,559
Speaker 2: been insanity, it really has. Well, how about this gift

2284
01:43:09,640 --> 01:43:13,280
Speaker 2: from the boxing gods. The WBC now has a vacant

2285
01:43:13,320 --> 01:43:16,720
Speaker 2: lightweight title all four a vacant after Devin Haney moved up.

2286
01:43:16,760 --> 01:43:19,479
Speaker 2: He's supposed to be fighting Regius Program for the WBC

2287
01:43:19,600 --> 01:43:22,080
Speaker 2: one hundred and forty title. So his former belt at

2288
01:43:22,120 --> 01:43:24,760
Speaker 2: one thirty five, it was about to go to a

2289
01:43:24,880 --> 01:43:28,160
Speaker 2: purse bid with top contender Shaquerse Stevenson, the former two

2290
01:43:28,160 --> 01:43:29,000
Speaker 2: division sho time.

2291
01:43:30,120 --> 01:43:32,439
Speaker 4: Can you explain to the fans what a purse bid

2292
01:43:32,600 --> 01:43:34,240
Speaker 4: is because that doesn't exist in MMA.

2293
01:43:34,439 --> 01:43:36,760
Speaker 2: So here's what this is. Shaquurse Stevenson fights for top

2294
01:43:36,840 --> 01:43:40,320
Speaker 2: rank in ESPN, Frank Martin fights for Aljeimen's PBC and

2295
01:43:40,400 --> 01:43:43,439
Speaker 2: on Showtime. That's not going to be a fight that

2296
01:43:43,479 --> 01:43:45,360
Speaker 2: they're naturally gonna, you know, go out of their way

2297
01:43:45,400 --> 01:43:47,200
Speaker 2: to want to do business. Usually you'll wait till the

2298
01:43:47,240 --> 01:43:49,280
Speaker 2: fights get bigger on the super pay per view level.

2299
01:43:49,760 --> 01:43:52,679
Speaker 2: But the WBC has rankings like the other three sanctioning

2300
01:43:52,720 --> 01:43:55,960
Speaker 2: bodies do, and these two became one and two after

2301
01:43:56,080 --> 01:43:59,040
Speaker 2: Hany moved up. So because it didn't look like the

2302
01:43:59,080 --> 01:44:01,160
Speaker 2: two promoters and works, when we're going to be able

2303
01:44:01,200 --> 01:44:03,479
Speaker 2: to make a deal, they schedule the purse bid, which

2304
01:44:03,520 --> 01:44:06,360
Speaker 2: basically means all the promoters show up virtually at the

2305
01:44:06,439 --> 01:44:09,599
Speaker 2: time they put in their blind bid in whichever bid

2306
01:44:09,720 --> 01:44:12,080
Speaker 2: is the largest, any promoter can show up anybody with

2307
01:44:12,160 --> 01:44:15,599
Speaker 2: a license, and whichever bid is the largest, that promoter

2308
01:44:15,720 --> 01:44:17,960
Speaker 2: gets to control the fight, which means they get to

2309
01:44:17,960 --> 01:44:20,679
Speaker 2: control what network gits on and all the details, the site,

2310
01:44:20,760 --> 01:44:24,519
Speaker 2: everything surrounding that. Right before the scheduled perse bid, the

2311
01:44:24,640 --> 01:44:27,439
Speaker 2: night before, there was an eleventh hour deal that was

2312
01:44:27,520 --> 01:44:31,360
Speaker 2: constructed between Bob Ahm and Top Rank and TGB Promotions

2313
01:44:31,400 --> 01:44:34,960
Speaker 2: and Tom Brown also in association with Errol Spence's promotional unit,

2314
01:44:35,000 --> 01:44:38,960
Speaker 2: because technically Spence promotes Frank Martin under the larger PBC banner,

2315
01:44:39,439 --> 01:44:41,920
Speaker 2: So Luke, they basically agreed that this fight's gonna happen.

2316
01:44:42,000 --> 01:44:44,400
Speaker 2: Top Rank will be the lead promoter, It'll be on ESPN,

2317
01:44:44,680 --> 01:44:47,599
Speaker 2: and it's either going to be November sixteenth in Las Vegas,

2318
01:44:47,640 --> 01:44:50,240
Speaker 2: which is a weeknight fight. I think that's a Wednesday

2319
01:44:50,320 --> 01:44:54,320
Speaker 2: night or December ninth and New York City, right after

2320
01:44:54,400 --> 01:44:57,439
Speaker 2: the Heisman ceremony in that annual spot where Top Rank

2321
01:44:57,479 --> 01:45:01,120
Speaker 2: puts on a huge boxing show. Luke, this is great.

2322
01:45:01,600 --> 01:45:03,439
Speaker 2: Great that we didn't need to get to the purse bid.

2323
01:45:03,840 --> 01:45:06,240
Speaker 2: They made a deal and they were everyone agreed. Great

2324
01:45:06,280 --> 01:45:09,080
Speaker 2: that PBC was like, Okay, this is Frank Martin's moment

2325
01:45:09,320 --> 01:45:11,240
Speaker 2: to fight Shakus Stevenson, one of the Pound for Palm

2326
01:45:11,320 --> 01:45:13,840
Speaker 2: best Olympic silver medalists and the guy I've said all

2327
01:45:13,840 --> 01:45:16,639
Speaker 2: along that really has those Floyd vibes that he could

2328
01:45:16,680 --> 01:45:20,599
Speaker 2: be something all time special atop the Pump for Palm list. Well, Luke,

2329
01:45:20,800 --> 01:45:24,599
Speaker 2: Frank Martin, outside of Gervante, is arguably like the most

2330
01:45:24,640 --> 01:45:27,080
Speaker 2: difficult opponent you can make right now in the lightweight ranking.

2331
01:45:27,120 --> 01:45:29,920
Speaker 2: Since everybody else Hayiny, Ryan Garcia, all those guy's moved

2332
01:45:29,960 --> 01:45:33,800
Speaker 2: up to one point forty. This fight rules. Yeah, dude,

2333
01:45:34,040 --> 01:45:36,160
Speaker 2: what did we do this year to earn what we've

2334
01:45:36,240 --> 01:45:37,000
Speaker 2: got from boxing?

2335
01:45:37,080 --> 01:45:38,559
Speaker 1: This is tremendous, dude.

2336
01:45:38,600 --> 01:45:40,439
Speaker 4: I mean, I want to be clear about something. If

2337
01:45:40,439 --> 01:45:42,320
Speaker 4: you look at the odds, I don't have the ones.

2338
01:45:42,760 --> 01:45:46,000
Speaker 4: I'll just give you a range. Shaquer Stevenson around the

2339
01:45:46,080 --> 01:45:49,960
Speaker 4: minus six hundred or so range, Frank Martin around plus

2340
01:45:50,080 --> 01:45:52,799
Speaker 4: four hundred or so. So you know, by boxing standards,

2341
01:45:52,840 --> 01:45:54,880
Speaker 4: that's not a blowout by by any means, but it

2342
01:45:55,040 --> 01:45:58,080
Speaker 4: is obviously Stevenson is widely expected to win. And I

2343
01:45:58,400 --> 01:46:02,040
Speaker 4: you know, I have been on this very show a

2344
01:46:02,200 --> 01:46:05,240
Speaker 4: strong admirer of Frank Martin's game, especially with his win

2345
01:46:05,280 --> 01:46:08,160
Speaker 4: over Michelle Rivera that was fucking awesome and a great fight.

2346
01:46:08,800 --> 01:46:13,759
Speaker 4: So I love, I love this fight. But Shaquer Stevenson

2347
01:46:13,880 --> 01:46:15,240
Speaker 4: might be the best in the game. I mean, he

2348
01:46:15,439 --> 01:46:20,280
Speaker 4: is technically some moooth. He is a tough guy to fight.

2349
01:46:20,840 --> 01:46:24,040
Speaker 2: Because the pound for pound debate is so hot right now, right,

2350
01:46:24,120 --> 01:46:27,400
Speaker 2: you know, Bud Crawford pretty much secured the bag after

2351
01:46:27,600 --> 01:46:29,400
Speaker 2: what a new A had done four days earlier, which

2352
01:46:29,520 --> 01:46:32,400
Speaker 2: was insane. Right, you can still love Canelo and Fury

2353
01:46:32,439 --> 01:46:35,120
Speaker 2: and Usick and all of those who reside there around

2354
01:46:35,160 --> 01:46:38,679
Speaker 2: that top five. But if you ask me right now.

2355
01:46:39,760 --> 01:46:41,120
Speaker 1: Are you are you eating on air?

2356
01:46:41,680 --> 01:46:44,960
Speaker 2: Who really who really might be the best boxer in

2357
01:46:45,000 --> 01:46:47,240
Speaker 2: the world, meaning they might not have earned it pound

2358
01:46:47,320 --> 01:46:51,000
Speaker 2: for pound yet, but that eye test, dude, checkuurse. Stevenson

2359
01:46:51,080 --> 01:46:52,720
Speaker 2: might actually be the best in the world. He just

2360
01:46:52,880 --> 01:46:55,000
Speaker 2: hasn't had the chance to fully prove that yet. I believe.

2361
01:46:55,080 --> 01:46:58,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no there's absolutely no denying that whatsoever. Shirquur

2362
01:46:58,280 --> 01:47:01,200
Speaker 1: Stevenson is amazing, amazing, and I expect him to win.

2363
01:47:01,320 --> 01:47:04,960
Speaker 1: But Frank Martin is to me a very respectable high

2364
01:47:05,080 --> 01:47:07,559
Speaker 1: level talent out of that Derek James camp with Erol

2365
01:47:07,600 --> 01:47:10,840
Speaker 1: Spence and everybody else, and you know, Jamel Charlow and

2366
01:47:10,920 --> 01:47:13,040
Speaker 1: it goes on, Ryan Garcia goes on from there. So

2367
01:47:13,760 --> 01:47:16,160
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a fun one. I love it.

2368
01:47:16,320 --> 01:47:18,200
Speaker 4: I can't wait to see it. And to your point,

2369
01:47:18,680 --> 01:47:21,920
Speaker 4: another fight in the year of twenty twenty three where

2370
01:47:21,960 --> 01:47:24,200
Speaker 4: you're just like, oh my god, how did we get

2371
01:47:24,479 --> 01:47:28,400
Speaker 4: so many fights between high level, skilled competitors.

2372
01:47:28,439 --> 01:47:31,040
Speaker 1: Frank Martin, very skilled, very.

2373
01:47:31,000 --> 01:47:33,240
Speaker 4: Technical shaker Stevenson though just one of the most technical

2374
01:47:33,280 --> 01:47:35,720
Speaker 4: guys in the entire sport. They're going to clash at

2375
01:47:35,800 --> 01:47:38,160
Speaker 4: one of the best weight classes in the sport. Yeah,

2376
01:47:38,320 --> 01:47:40,240
Speaker 4: sign me the fuck up please.

2377
01:47:40,000 --> 01:47:42,320
Speaker 2: I'm saying it, and I'll say it again. The young

2378
01:47:42,600 --> 01:47:45,040
Speaker 2: American fighter, and I put an American on there because

2379
01:47:45,080 --> 01:47:46,760
Speaker 2: guys from a lot of the other countries seem to

2380
01:47:46,760 --> 01:47:50,320
Speaker 2: already be wired this way. They want the smoke now.

2381
01:47:50,600 --> 01:47:52,640
Speaker 2: They don't want to wait, Luke. You know these millennials, right,

2382
01:47:52,800 --> 01:47:54,519
Speaker 2: they don't want to wait. They want to find out

2383
01:47:54,680 --> 01:47:58,519
Speaker 2: right now. I have to believe, like like Tank versus Ryan,

2384
01:47:58,560 --> 01:48:01,920
Speaker 2: which only happened because both went back to their their

2385
01:48:02,360 --> 01:48:04,120
Speaker 2: I guess I want to say employers, but really the

2386
01:48:04,200 --> 01:48:06,519
Speaker 2: fighter is the employer, right, These guys work for them.

2387
01:48:06,720 --> 01:48:09,120
Speaker 2: They went back to the networker and promoters and said, no,

2388
01:48:09,560 --> 01:48:12,040
Speaker 2: make this happen. I've got to believe, Luke, some level

2389
01:48:12,080 --> 01:48:13,880
Speaker 2: behind the scenes of Shaku and Frank Martin, that's the

2390
01:48:13,920 --> 01:48:16,040
Speaker 2: same thing said no forget, I need this fight. I

2391
01:48:16,080 --> 01:48:18,519
Speaker 2: want this fight. Let's do it, let's make it happen.

2392
01:48:19,040 --> 01:48:21,960
Speaker 2: Very happy to see that across the board. Frank Martin

2393
01:48:22,040 --> 01:48:23,920
Speaker 2: is in this fight. I mean, don't let his last

2394
01:48:23,920 --> 01:48:26,800
Speaker 2: performance for you. He's in this fight. This will be interesting, Luke.

2395
01:48:26,880 --> 01:48:30,240
Speaker 2: Let's close on this boxing. Brian McIntyre, the fifty three

2396
01:48:30,280 --> 01:48:32,160
Speaker 2: year old trainer of Terence Crawford, who was in Britain

2397
01:48:32,200 --> 01:48:34,760
Speaker 2: over the weekend. He had joined forces last minute with

2398
01:48:34,840 --> 01:48:37,120
Speaker 2: Chris Ubank Junior, who had the resounding win in the

2399
01:48:37,160 --> 01:48:40,920
Speaker 2: rematch with Liam Smith, but Bomack tried to bring a

2400
01:48:41,160 --> 01:48:45,000
Speaker 2: gun and some ammunition in his checked bag onto the flight.

2401
01:48:45,240 --> 01:48:50,240
Speaker 2: Manchester allegedly was arrested and now he's being held in

2402
01:48:50,320 --> 01:48:54,599
Speaker 2: England until his October ninth court date. Luke, he's becoming

2403
01:48:54,720 --> 01:48:59,759
Speaker 2: one of the most requested hottest trainers of the moment. Rightfully, So, dude,

2404
01:48:59,800 --> 01:49:02,040
Speaker 2: this is pretty serious, right, This is a felony. This

2405
01:49:02,160 --> 01:49:02,680
Speaker 2: is pretty big.

2406
01:49:03,320 --> 01:49:05,719
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean he could go to jail for five years.

2407
01:49:06,280 --> 01:49:06,960
Speaker 1: It's not a joke.

2408
01:49:07,000 --> 01:49:10,280
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't even I don't understand this at all.

2409
01:49:10,320 --> 01:49:11,800
Speaker 4: It's like, okay, let me see if I get this right,

2410
01:49:11,880 --> 01:49:14,400
Speaker 4: I'll go through it quickly. But either he took it

2411
01:49:14,600 --> 01:49:16,680
Speaker 4: over to England and how did how the hell did

2412
01:49:16,720 --> 01:49:18,840
Speaker 4: he do that? That's one, or he got in England,

2413
01:49:18,880 --> 01:49:20,800
Speaker 4: which is why the fuck were you doing that? And

2414
01:49:20,880 --> 01:49:23,000
Speaker 4: then three, why would you pack it in your suitcase

2415
01:49:23,400 --> 01:49:26,080
Speaker 4: knowing security is going to screen the shit because that

2416
01:49:26,160 --> 01:49:29,960
Speaker 4: ain't smart either, Like, what the like, what the fuck

2417
01:49:30,000 --> 01:49:34,320
Speaker 4: happened here? The level of decision making is cataclismically bad.

2418
01:49:34,520 --> 01:49:37,080
Speaker 1: I don't I don't get it at all. And yeah, dude,

2419
01:49:37,080 --> 01:49:39,400
Speaker 1: they don't fucking play with guns over in the UK

2420
01:49:39,640 --> 01:49:40,439
Speaker 1: or their gun laws.

2421
01:49:40,479 --> 01:49:40,599
Speaker 6: Man.

2422
01:49:40,680 --> 01:49:41,800
Speaker 1: You can like it or you can hate it. It

2423
01:49:41,920 --> 01:49:42,639
Speaker 1: is the reality.

2424
01:49:43,160 --> 01:49:45,880
Speaker 4: Look, I dude, you could end up for no good

2425
01:49:46,000 --> 01:49:49,240
Speaker 4: reason at all, if you need security hire it.

2426
01:49:49,560 --> 01:49:51,439
Speaker 1: You could end up in fucking jail for years or

2427
01:49:51,479 --> 01:49:51,720
Speaker 1: to bear.

2428
01:49:51,920 --> 01:49:55,160
Speaker 4: I mean, his best case scenario is that he gets deported.

2429
01:49:55,240 --> 01:49:57,200
Speaker 4: That would be great for him. I don't know if

2430
01:49:57,200 --> 01:49:57,840
Speaker 4: he's gonna get it.

2431
01:49:59,200 --> 01:50:02,200
Speaker 2: It is as serious and either I saw some degree

2432
01:50:02,200 --> 01:50:04,000
Speaker 2: of conspiratorial maybe he was set up.

2433
01:50:04,040 --> 01:50:04,360
Speaker 1: I don't know.

2434
01:50:04,479 --> 01:50:06,400
Speaker 2: I don't, I mean, Luke, I don't know. This looks

2435
01:50:06,439 --> 01:50:08,200
Speaker 2: at as the way it's being presented. And he'll have

2436
01:50:08,280 --> 01:50:10,640
Speaker 2: his court date obviously to argue it that this was

2437
01:50:10,720 --> 01:50:14,479
Speaker 2: a very thoughtless decision here, but very very uh yeah,

2438
01:50:14,800 --> 01:50:16,680
Speaker 2: So I hope for his sake, Luke, that there is

2439
01:50:16,760 --> 01:50:20,280
Speaker 2: some sort of excuse or reason there. But that's rough.

2440
01:50:20,520 --> 01:50:23,719
Speaker 2: Let's close Luke with some shit though, Okay, bull magazine,

2441
01:50:23,760 --> 01:50:26,120
Speaker 2: hot shit. I got the good ship from the weekend.

2442
01:50:26,600 --> 01:50:28,679
Speaker 2: I scolared the globe, the Huis and lows all that bs.

2443
01:50:28,920 --> 01:50:31,120
Speaker 2: Thank you Michey Mormal for putting it together. This is

2444
01:50:31,160 --> 01:50:32,920
Speaker 2: the best ship in the land. Have you seen it?

2445
01:50:42,800 --> 01:50:43,040
Speaker 1: Damn?

2446
01:50:43,120 --> 01:50:43,800
Speaker 2: I love that song.

2447
01:50:44,000 --> 01:50:46,160
Speaker 4: Wow, so much better than what we had before. I

2448
01:50:46,240 --> 01:50:48,280
Speaker 4: mean it's like I can't even overstate that.

2449
01:50:48,600 --> 01:50:50,920
Speaker 2: You mean us making farting sounds with our mouth. Yeah,

2450
01:50:51,360 --> 01:50:53,200
Speaker 2: let's go to UFC Paris. This is gonna be some

2451
01:50:53,280 --> 01:50:56,840
Speaker 2: good ship here. Featherweight, Morgan Charier, how do you pronounce

2452
01:50:56,880 --> 01:50:59,800
Speaker 2: this French name? Luca? He kicked the shit out of

2453
01:50:59,840 --> 01:51:02,080
Speaker 2: him and Dolo Zucchini. Look at that Luke.

2454
01:51:02,360 --> 01:51:06,880
Speaker 1: Damn brutal. He got a running start into the final kick.

2455
01:51:06,920 --> 01:51:08,519
Speaker 1: I mean, how great is that? One up the middle

2456
01:51:09,439 --> 01:51:14,920
Speaker 1: gets backs out? Bah? Take that bitch, dude, Zucchini, Yeah.

2457
01:51:15,320 --> 01:51:17,640
Speaker 2: Zucchini, put your hands down. You could have got a

2458
01:51:17,760 --> 01:51:20,720
Speaker 2: DQ in there. I mean, come on, wow. All right, look,

2459
01:51:20,800 --> 01:51:23,120
Speaker 2: this is one of the biggest reasons why Pat Barry

2460
01:51:23,200 --> 01:51:26,759
Speaker 2: has been uh has been questioned. This is the audio

2461
01:51:26,840 --> 01:51:28,920
Speaker 2: from the corner when Rose came back after round one

2462
01:51:28,960 --> 01:51:32,479
Speaker 2: with a broken pinky. I'm getting all right, they don't

2463
01:51:32,640 --> 01:51:35,679
Speaker 2: you don't need a finger right now, I'm getting gosh,

2464
01:51:35,680 --> 01:51:36,880
Speaker 2: all right, you don't need.

2465
01:51:36,760 --> 01:51:39,600
Speaker 1: A finger right now, dude, hold on, hold on, hold on.

2466
01:51:39,680 --> 01:51:43,200
Speaker 4: Here's the thing, George Saint Pierre came back after whatever

2467
01:51:43,280 --> 01:51:45,040
Speaker 4: round it was when he fought Tago Olive is a

2468
01:51:45,120 --> 01:51:47,240
Speaker 4: UFC one hundred. He's like, I tore my groin and

2469
01:51:47,320 --> 01:51:49,920
Speaker 4: Greg Jackson's like, hit him with your groin, and everyone's like,

2470
01:51:49,920 --> 01:51:51,559
Speaker 4: all right, well, that's a weird thing to say. That's

2471
01:51:52,160 --> 01:51:53,840
Speaker 4: that's something you might find in a gay porn at

2472
01:51:53,880 --> 01:51:57,040
Speaker 4: some point. But the difference is that Saint Pierre won

2473
01:51:57,200 --> 01:52:01,120
Speaker 4: that contest, and I wonder like, if if Rose had persevered,

2474
01:52:01,400 --> 01:52:04,280
Speaker 4: would people be like, oh, Pat Berry is an amazing motivator.

2475
01:52:04,360 --> 01:52:06,400
Speaker 1: Like winning and losing changes perspectives a lot.

2476
01:52:06,439 --> 01:52:08,080
Speaker 2: You're right, there's a thin line on it. And I

2477
01:52:08,160 --> 01:52:09,960
Speaker 2: get that he's trying to like take her mind off

2478
01:52:09,960 --> 01:52:12,320
Speaker 2: of it so she can focus. But Luke, she did

2479
01:52:12,479 --> 01:52:14,760
Speaker 2: need that hand in the fight, and she even said

2480
01:52:14,800 --> 01:52:16,760
Speaker 2: afterwards she wished that they had done some sort of

2481
01:52:16,840 --> 01:52:20,400
Speaker 2: like trying to jam it back in tough break right

2482
01:52:20,439 --> 01:52:24,639
Speaker 2: there also, Luke, here's speaking of the tough break. That's gnarley,

2483
01:52:24,920 --> 01:52:27,400
Speaker 2: That is that is gross. Yep. I got one of those,

2484
01:52:27,479 --> 01:52:30,200
Speaker 2: Luke years of basketball. It never healed properly. It's like

2485
01:52:30,640 --> 01:52:34,080
Speaker 2: it's it's crooked, like a like a gross schlog. Yeah,

2486
01:52:34,160 --> 01:52:36,280
Speaker 2: all right, that's enough of this. What are we doing here, Luke?

2487
01:52:36,360 --> 01:52:39,799
Speaker 1: Okay, like a gross like a gross schlong.

2488
01:52:40,000 --> 01:52:42,240
Speaker 2: Is really at the time? That go a few different

2489
01:52:42,320 --> 01:52:44,680
Speaker 2: directions at once, Luke. Yeah, all right, Hey, let's go

2490
01:52:44,800 --> 01:52:48,519
Speaker 2: to uh John Jones and Sergey Spivack. Is this real

2491
01:52:48,640 --> 01:53:04,599
Speaker 2: recognizing real life, Luke. I don't think they're ever gonna fight.

2492
01:53:05,160 --> 01:53:08,000
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, No, that was it. You just watched it.

2493
01:53:08,240 --> 01:53:10,160
Speaker 1: That was the sum total of that affair.

2494
01:53:11,640 --> 01:53:14,559
Speaker 2: And he speaking of Johnny Bones, the goat, Luke, they

2495
01:53:14,640 --> 01:53:17,680
Speaker 2: got a video of him scrappling with with Henry Soon

2496
01:53:17,680 --> 01:53:20,600
Speaker 2: who know here, this is incredible right out on the

2497
01:53:20,640 --> 01:53:27,000
Speaker 2: street too. Okay, all right, look John giving back to

2498
01:53:27,080 --> 01:53:30,240
Speaker 2: the community here, Uh with a little little you know, yeah,

2499
01:53:30,280 --> 01:53:32,280
Speaker 2: there you go, little half Nelson little like, Oh hey

2500
01:53:32,360 --> 01:53:32,680
Speaker 2: look at that.

2501
01:53:33,360 --> 01:53:34,200
Speaker 1: That kid's pretty good.

2502
01:53:34,479 --> 01:53:37,920
Speaker 2: That kid's not bad, all right, Luke, speaking of really real,

2503
01:53:38,120 --> 01:53:40,280
Speaker 2: recognizing real, you know who Johnny Bones caught up with

2504
01:53:40,400 --> 01:53:44,240
Speaker 2: last week in passing. Uh, not me, not you, but

2505
01:53:44,360 --> 01:53:49,080
Speaker 2: one of your friends. Luke, Brendan shop you have who

2506
01:53:49,160 --> 01:53:51,960
Speaker 2: the hell is John Africa? He's standing right there, Luke

2507
01:53:57,000 --> 01:54:00,680
Speaker 2: and Luke speaking of John as you just could resist you.

2508
01:54:01,600 --> 01:54:03,479
Speaker 2: They had bones put up.

2509
01:54:03,520 --> 01:54:04,559
Speaker 1: Put that back up for a second.

2510
01:54:04,680 --> 01:54:05,400
Speaker 10: Go for it, Go for it.

2511
01:54:07,080 --> 01:54:12,200
Speaker 1: Damn Jones is tall. Jones is tall man, He's tall.

2512
01:54:12,560 --> 01:54:16,040
Speaker 2: Big win for the CU Buffalo's for Deon Sanders and

2513
01:54:16,080 --> 01:54:17,160
Speaker 2: Brendan Schobb over the weekend.

2514
01:54:17,280 --> 01:54:19,240
Speaker 1: Coach coach Prime, coach.

2515
01:54:19,000 --> 01:54:21,000
Speaker 2: Prime, that's what you think. Coach Prime drinks Prime.

2516
01:54:22,560 --> 01:54:24,240
Speaker 1: No one in their right mind drinks Prime.

2517
01:54:24,439 --> 01:54:26,960
Speaker 2: All right, there you go, Luke. John Africa was asked.

2518
01:54:27,000 --> 01:54:29,400
Speaker 2: John Jones was on a podcast and asked to settle

2519
01:54:29,760 --> 01:54:33,000
Speaker 2: the real African Champion debate. Let's listen. I want to

2520
01:54:33,080 --> 01:54:38,960
Speaker 2: know this simple question. Who is the best African fighter?

2521
01:54:39,600 --> 01:54:48,600
Speaker 2: Is he Blusi or Mike Perry? Oh God, is he

2522
01:54:50,000 --> 01:54:52,200
Speaker 2: Mike Perry? Who's the best African fighter?

2523
01:54:53,880 --> 01:54:56,240
Speaker 1: The real nigga himself, Mike Harry.

2524
01:55:00,720 --> 01:55:03,200
Speaker 4: I'm not asking this disparagingly. I'm only asking because I

2525
01:55:03,560 --> 01:55:05,760
Speaker 4: genuinely don't know the answer. What podcast was this?

2526
01:55:06,040 --> 01:55:07,760
Speaker 2: I didn't write it down. Mikey, do you got the name?

2527
01:55:07,800 --> 01:55:08,120
Speaker 1: I don't know.

2528
01:55:08,160 --> 01:55:10,160
Speaker 2: It's just two white guys, we should get John Jones

2529
01:55:10,200 --> 01:55:11,960
Speaker 2: on this two white guy pod, Luke, what do you think?

2530
01:55:12,560 --> 01:55:14,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we can get hell. I'm sure

2531
01:55:15,000 --> 01:55:16,800
Speaker 1: he is chomping at the bit to talk to me.

2532
01:55:17,040 --> 01:55:19,840
Speaker 2: That'd be great, that'd be great. All right, Uh, let's

2533
01:55:19,920 --> 01:55:20,280
Speaker 2: keep it going.

2534
01:55:20,840 --> 01:55:22,480
Speaker 1: Question he could also dunk on me again, it'd be

2535
01:55:22,520 --> 01:55:23,440
Speaker 1: great sometimes.

2536
01:55:25,360 --> 01:55:27,080
Speaker 2: Two in the thoughts one of the prayers from the

2537
01:55:27,120 --> 01:55:30,280
Speaker 2: files of that Luke. Here's a let's let's listen in here.

2538
01:55:30,440 --> 01:55:31,600
Speaker 2: Let's let's let me see.

2539
01:55:33,320 --> 01:55:34,120
Speaker 1: Oh I don't get it.

2540
01:55:34,240 --> 01:55:34,600
Speaker 10: What is that.

2541
01:55:38,640 --> 01:55:42,240
Speaker 1: Two in the one in the Yeah? Do you get it?

2542
01:55:42,320 --> 01:55:42,520
Speaker 8: Look?

2543
01:55:42,600 --> 01:55:45,200
Speaker 2: Okay, I mean she got it right? Wow? All right, hey,

2544
01:55:45,280 --> 01:55:48,680
Speaker 2: big week, big week for Porta John's Luke. Oh my god,

2545
01:55:48,760 --> 01:55:50,960
Speaker 2: did you see the video of this chick Porta Pop fight?

2546
01:55:51,080 --> 01:55:54,160
Speaker 1: This is great? Yeah, this fight rules. Look at these

2547
01:55:54,480 --> 01:56:01,800
Speaker 1: fucking crackers, right, just look at these hankysbelievable fighting in

2548
01:56:01,920 --> 01:56:05,360
Speaker 1: the shitter yea nothing, God, And then look at and

2549
01:56:05,440 --> 01:56:07,360
Speaker 1: look at this lady. She comes in just grabbing these

2550
01:56:07,400 --> 01:56:09,480
Speaker 1: bitches by the hair. Get the fuck out of the shitter,

2551
01:56:09,800 --> 01:56:12,840
Speaker 1: get out and listen the one and the the one

2552
01:56:12,920 --> 01:56:15,360
Speaker 1: with the blue and then the white cowboy boots She's

2553
01:56:15,520 --> 01:56:18,400
Speaker 1: definitely been in way more fights than these other two, right.

2554
01:56:18,760 --> 01:56:21,840
Speaker 2: Dude, R Kelly must be loving this, Luke correct.

2555
01:56:24,000 --> 01:56:25,520
Speaker 1: Or Germans with the shys of porn.

2556
01:56:26,240 --> 01:56:28,800
Speaker 2: Yes, well look this was all females all the time.

2557
01:56:28,920 --> 01:56:31,360
Speaker 2: Not a good week though for men inside of Portajohn's.

2558
01:56:35,920 --> 01:56:38,680
Speaker 1: Wow, boy, the dumper on that copy bad and tell

2559
01:56:38,680 --> 01:56:38,840
Speaker 1: you that.

2560
01:56:39,160 --> 01:56:43,240
Speaker 2: But uh, speaking of dumpers, yeah, ok, that's where that

2561
01:56:43,280 --> 01:56:45,600
Speaker 2: guy found himself. Hey, you know who else got shoved

2562
01:56:45,600 --> 01:56:49,760
Speaker 2: into Portajohn mma style. Hulk Hogan's nephew made his MMA debut. Luke,

2563
01:56:50,200 --> 01:56:53,640
Speaker 2: you know Terry Bolea, his nephew here, Uh, didn't go, well,

2564
01:56:53,800 --> 01:56:55,160
Speaker 2: here's the Fury FC.

2565
01:56:56,640 --> 01:56:58,040
Speaker 1: That's a that's a legit promotion.

2566
01:56:58,640 --> 01:57:01,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, Howler head logo on the Uh yeah, there you go,

2567
01:57:02,560 --> 01:57:05,960
Speaker 2: that's Hogan's here, Hogan's honky guy. There, here you go, Yeah,

2568
01:57:06,040 --> 01:57:06,400
Speaker 2: there you go.

2569
01:57:06,720 --> 01:57:09,080
Speaker 1: Yeah that one. Yeah, that's not okay? All right, you

2570
01:57:09,160 --> 01:57:11,160
Speaker 1: got to overhook there a little bit like to guard.

2571
01:57:11,320 --> 01:57:11,640
Speaker 1: Let's go.

2572
01:57:12,520 --> 01:57:14,600
Speaker 2: Oh, I guess that they have the finish or maybe

2573
01:57:14,640 --> 01:57:15,600
Speaker 2: I grab the wrong video.

2574
01:57:15,720 --> 01:57:18,520
Speaker 1: Either way, Luke, probably you probably do a half past job.

2575
01:57:18,560 --> 01:57:18,920
Speaker 1: It's okay.

2576
01:57:19,280 --> 01:57:21,960
Speaker 2: Hulk Hogan knew a lot about steroids. Luke, but does

2577
01:57:22,040 --> 01:57:22,960
Speaker 2: he know that much?

2578
01:57:23,160 --> 01:57:23,800
Speaker 1: And the N word?

2579
01:57:24,840 --> 01:57:27,880
Speaker 2: But does he know as much about Pedes as Pacer Allan.

2580
01:57:28,040 --> 01:57:29,720
Speaker 2: Let's jump in and check this out.

2581
01:57:30,760 --> 01:57:33,800
Speaker 12: People ask me all the time, what's the secret. I'm

2582
01:57:33,840 --> 01:57:37,560
Speaker 12: obviously in my mid fifties. I have the sexual appetite

2583
01:57:37,760 --> 01:57:39,600
Speaker 12: of a twenty year old. I put it down to

2584
01:57:39,720 --> 01:57:43,400
Speaker 12: this hell shit, I can't lie here comes down to this.

2585
01:57:44,000 --> 01:57:44,160
Speaker 8: Now.

2586
01:57:44,840 --> 01:57:46,120
Speaker 10: There's always got love air.

2587
01:57:46,040 --> 01:57:46,560
Speaker 1: In this stuff.

2588
01:57:46,640 --> 01:57:52,360
Speaker 12: It's perfect humstra I can fill the years, No, no way,

2589
01:57:52,720 --> 01:57:54,600
Speaker 12: but actually felt better already.

2590
01:57:55,240 --> 01:58:11,120
Speaker 10: There's the secrets ever lost to you. I recommend this

2591
01:58:12,360 --> 01:58:13,160
Speaker 10: and I endorse it.

2592
01:58:18,960 --> 01:58:23,160
Speaker 2: Shout out to Joe for the T shirts. But that

2593
01:58:23,400 --> 01:58:26,680
Speaker 2: was Pacer Allen uh sticking that B twelve in him

2594
01:58:26,720 --> 01:58:30,400
Speaker 2: on camera. Luca legend, a legend in these parts. All right,

2595
01:58:30,840 --> 01:58:32,760
Speaker 2: let's continue it here. I got to catch up. Where

2596
01:58:32,800 --> 01:58:33,000
Speaker 2: are we?

2597
01:58:33,280 --> 01:58:33,400
Speaker 12: Uh?

2598
01:58:34,320 --> 01:58:36,680
Speaker 2: Let's go over to the broadcasting slip of the up

2599
01:58:36,760 --> 01:58:40,240
Speaker 2: of the week. Yes we're hearing is Jalen Carter, the

2600
01:58:40,320 --> 01:58:43,040
Speaker 2: d tackle from Georgia just won a national championship with

2601
01:58:43,080 --> 01:58:45,880
Speaker 2: the Bulldogs, big big guy six three three.

2602
01:58:48,720 --> 01:58:51,520
Speaker 4: Well, I'm sure, Luke, I'm that actually that actually sounds

2603
01:58:51,600 --> 01:58:53,720
Speaker 4: like our scouting report, You're like, well you got.

2604
01:58:56,160 --> 01:58:58,920
Speaker 1: Well he runs you know a four three forty All right?

2605
01:58:59,040 --> 01:59:00,920
Speaker 2: Hey, Luca. You ever try to take a picture with

2606
01:59:01,040 --> 01:59:03,000
Speaker 2: somebody like a fan and they start doing hand signals

2607
01:59:03,040 --> 01:59:05,440
Speaker 2: and you're like, yo, I don't represent that right right?

2608
01:59:05,520 --> 01:59:07,360
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Don't be doing no West

2609
01:59:07,440 --> 01:59:10,160
Speaker 2: Coast gang signs in my picture. This cop had that

2610
01:59:10,240 --> 01:59:13,080
Speaker 2: same feeling. Can we like flick out real quick's going?

2611
01:59:13,120 --> 01:59:15,480
Speaker 2: There's just going this, I'm not doing any hand signals?

2612
01:59:15,520 --> 01:59:16,000
Speaker 8: Guy, whoa?

2613
01:59:16,000 --> 01:59:16,200
Speaker 10: Whoa?

2614
01:59:16,320 --> 01:59:17,040
Speaker 2: Stop with the hands?

2615
01:59:17,440 --> 01:59:19,640
Speaker 1: Can you go this? No?

2616
01:59:19,960 --> 01:59:20,000
Speaker 10: No?

2617
01:59:20,240 --> 01:59:21,680
Speaker 2: No, no, want me to kick out of here?

2618
01:59:21,760 --> 01:59:22,120
Speaker 3: No, sir?

2619
01:59:22,320 --> 01:59:28,400
Speaker 2: Then stop? That's so good. Oh my god, I love that.

2620
01:59:28,840 --> 01:59:31,480
Speaker 2: I'll never stop loving that. All right, Uh, time for

2621
01:59:31,560 --> 01:59:33,880
Speaker 2: your fails of the week, Luke, let's go to the

2622
01:59:33,960 --> 01:59:48,120
Speaker 2: rap concert. Let's do this thing. That's that's a tough

2623
01:59:48,240 --> 01:59:51,120
Speaker 2: ending right there. Wow, tiny whities indeed, Yeah.

2624
01:59:51,000 --> 01:59:55,000
Speaker 4: There's like he's performing for three white teenagers. I mean yes,

2625
01:59:55,320 --> 01:59:57,280
Speaker 4: just could just call it a day, guy, Just call

2626
01:59:57,320 --> 01:59:57,760
Speaker 4: it a day.

2627
01:59:58,280 --> 02:00:00,320
Speaker 2: Now, we go out to the wedding reception. I'll weila

2628
02:00:00,400 --> 02:00:02,320
Speaker 2: having a great time. You gotta watch your step though,

2629
02:00:02,480 --> 02:00:03,120
Speaker 2: be careful here.

2630
02:00:05,440 --> 02:00:08,800
Speaker 1: Oh it's tough.

2631
02:00:08,920 --> 02:00:11,360
Speaker 2: That's tough. Let's go to the club, Luke, where you

2632
02:00:11,480 --> 02:00:13,960
Speaker 2: can be you can you can fall into a towerk

2633
02:00:13,960 --> 02:00:34,520
Speaker 2: at anytime. Just again, watch your footing, please watch you

2634
02:00:34,600 --> 02:00:36,160
Speaker 2: know what what what?

2635
02:00:36,360 --> 02:00:38,840
Speaker 1: What do we say? Not a lot of riz in

2636
02:00:39,160 --> 02:00:43,120
Speaker 1: uh uh? Getting paralysis after getting behind your girls working.

2637
02:00:43,440 --> 02:00:45,200
Speaker 2: I mean he'll never walk again, Luke. But at least

2638
02:00:45,240 --> 02:00:48,760
Speaker 2: he went out doing what he loved. Pinata time. If

2639
02:00:48,800 --> 02:00:52,240
Speaker 2: there's a pinata involved on this show, somebody's getting assaulted.

2640
02:00:54,520 --> 02:00:56,000
Speaker 1: Oh god, oh.

2641
02:00:57,600 --> 02:00:57,720
Speaker 2: Yo.

2642
02:00:58,200 --> 02:01:01,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I got to say if you get going

2643
02:01:01,160 --> 02:01:03,320
Speaker 1: back to the previous clip, just getting I mean, you know,

2644
02:01:04,320 --> 02:01:07,520
Speaker 1: just Tia over there is just getting assaulted.

2645
02:01:07,800 --> 02:01:09,760
Speaker 4: But let me ask you a question. Are you a

2646
02:01:09,960 --> 02:01:12,600
Speaker 4: hero or a loser? If you get paralyzed in a

2647
02:01:12,640 --> 02:01:13,200
Speaker 4: strip club?

2648
02:01:13,480 --> 02:01:13,760
Speaker 1: A hero?

2649
02:01:14,240 --> 02:01:14,640
Speaker 2: Easily?

2650
02:01:14,920 --> 02:01:15,200
Speaker 1: Easy?

2651
02:01:15,240 --> 02:01:17,400
Speaker 2: It might depend on the strip club, but yes, easily

2652
02:01:17,600 --> 02:01:20,680
Speaker 2: a hero. Haircuts of the week time they're getting exotic

2653
02:01:20,800 --> 02:01:23,840
Speaker 2: Luke for for back to school. Here check made on

2654
02:01:23,920 --> 02:01:24,480
Speaker 2: this one, right.

2655
02:01:27,640 --> 02:01:29,480
Speaker 1: I can't believe it's a white guy. It's very.

2656
02:01:32,280 --> 02:01:35,840
Speaker 2: They say. Sometimes a great haircut is like art. Let's

2657
02:01:35,920 --> 02:01:38,240
Speaker 2: check out this art. It comes with a two piece

2658
02:01:38,360 --> 02:01:39,120
Speaker 2: and a side of.

2659
02:01:40,040 --> 02:01:46,400
Speaker 1: Of what okay, okay? What the fuck am I?

2660
02:01:46,720 --> 02:01:50,600
Speaker 2: Looking at that's art, Luke, that is art right there?

2661
02:01:51,040 --> 02:01:51,320
Speaker 5: Wow?

2662
02:01:51,840 --> 02:01:52,600
Speaker 1: Would you eat that?

2663
02:01:53,000 --> 02:01:56,320
Speaker 10: Just like as is?

2664
02:01:56,520 --> 02:01:57,200
Speaker 1: Luke? All right?

2665
02:01:57,480 --> 02:02:01,800
Speaker 2: As is time to share paining that ass just not

2666
02:02:02,240 --> 02:02:02,800
Speaker 2: on purpose.

2667
02:02:16,440 --> 02:02:18,280
Speaker 1: I don't know if people know this. You don't have

2668
02:02:18,440 --> 02:02:20,800
Speaker 1: to open champagne bottles like a face.

2669
02:02:21,320 --> 02:02:24,240
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, if you open them that way, you're choosing

2670
02:02:24,400 --> 02:02:24,800
Speaker 2: to do that.

2671
02:02:24,920 --> 02:02:25,839
Speaker 1: It's not required.

2672
02:02:26,240 --> 02:02:29,000
Speaker 2: He chose to goose that old lady. That's elder abuse

2673
02:02:29,200 --> 02:02:31,600
Speaker 2: where I come from. Look, too much of a good

2674
02:02:31,640 --> 02:02:33,760
Speaker 2: thing is too much? Right, Let's let's look at this.

2675
02:02:35,000 --> 02:02:35,720
Speaker 9: That's too much.

2676
02:02:36,680 --> 02:02:39,880
Speaker 2: That's too much tom, that's too much rum.

2677
02:02:41,080 --> 02:02:43,840
Speaker 1: It's a lot of that's a lot of uh Jizlet's

2678
02:02:43,920 --> 02:02:45,960
Speaker 1: let's just all right.

2679
02:02:46,000 --> 02:02:47,840
Speaker 2: It's time to play. It's time to play. Rate that

2680
02:02:48,040 --> 02:02:49,880
Speaker 2: tat Luke. You know I love cats. If I got

2681
02:02:49,960 --> 02:02:52,720
Speaker 2: Reggie Jackson on my shoulder like this, what would you say?

2682
02:02:57,360 --> 02:02:57,960
Speaker 2: It's not bad?

2683
02:02:59,240 --> 02:03:04,880
Speaker 4: That's more than play one more time? Yeah that I mean,

2684
02:03:04,960 --> 02:03:08,160
Speaker 4: I wouldn't want a tattoo of that at all. But

2685
02:03:08,560 --> 02:03:11,360
Speaker 4: that is an extraordinarily well done tattoo.

2686
02:03:11,560 --> 02:03:14,880
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I mean, wow, that's a ten out of ten.

2687
02:03:14,960 --> 02:03:17,480
Speaker 1: That's ten. That's ten tattoo needles out of ten.

2688
02:03:17,960 --> 02:03:20,800
Speaker 2: Okay, let's go over to this villain sleeve, Luke. This

2689
02:03:20,920 --> 02:03:22,440
Speaker 2: one's just as good, I think, right.

2690
02:03:24,840 --> 02:03:28,680
Speaker 1: Arkham Misidle, that's mister Freeze. And then it's that dead

2691
02:03:28,720 --> 02:03:32,200
Speaker 1: shot or whoever the fuck? Yeah, maybe, and then the

2692
02:03:32,280 --> 02:03:33,680
Speaker 1: joker cool. I don't know.

2693
02:03:33,920 --> 02:03:35,120
Speaker 2: I don't speak this language.

2694
02:03:35,120 --> 02:03:37,760
Speaker 1: I mean, here's what I'll say. You know, this is

2695
02:03:37,960 --> 02:03:39,880
Speaker 1: not the kind of thing you do.

2696
02:03:40,520 --> 02:03:42,200
Speaker 4: Uh, if you want the word I'm looking for, if

2697
02:03:42,240 --> 02:03:43,640
Speaker 4: you want to be gainfully employed.

2698
02:03:44,040 --> 02:03:48,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's not a bad tattoo. There's two fails.

2699
02:03:48,040 --> 02:03:52,240
Speaker 1: It's all DC comic book heroes, right yeah, Luca on

2700
02:03:52,400 --> 02:03:55,160
Speaker 1: our Friday, I tell you I respect the tattoo because

2701
02:03:55,200 --> 02:03:57,560
Speaker 1: it is good, but it's like one of these tattoos.

2702
02:03:57,560 --> 02:03:59,400
Speaker 4: You're like, wow, man, that's a great tattoo. And also

2703
02:03:59,680 --> 02:04:02,200
Speaker 4: you are an uninteresting person, you know.

2704
02:04:02,400 --> 02:04:03,440
Speaker 2: There you go, there you go.

2705
02:04:03,760 --> 02:04:03,880
Speaker 10: Uh.

2706
02:04:04,760 --> 02:04:07,640
Speaker 2: My dream is I guess to get us tattooed on someone.

2707
02:04:07,720 --> 02:04:09,880
Speaker 2: But then we already had to happen, and then Damien

2708
02:04:09,960 --> 02:04:13,040
Speaker 2: the Donk disappeared. Although Gaff showed his MK Tattoo Friday

2709
02:04:13,120 --> 02:04:15,560
Speaker 2: show when you Were Gone Luke on air, uh DC

2710
02:04:15,680 --> 02:04:19,160
Speaker 2: and Rogan and John Anne got it, got themselves tatted

2711
02:04:19,240 --> 02:04:20,720
Speaker 2: on somebody? What do you think of the quality?

2712
02:04:20,760 --> 02:04:20,880
Speaker 10: Here?

2713
02:04:20,960 --> 02:04:21,080
Speaker 1: Is this?

2714
02:04:21,160 --> 02:04:22,560
Speaker 2: He boss like or we onto something?

2715
02:04:28,040 --> 02:04:36,400
Speaker 4: Okay, here's the stencil, okay, a lot of stenciling. Can

2716
02:04:36,440 --> 02:04:38,400
Speaker 4: we can we see the actual fucking tattoo?

2717
02:04:38,440 --> 02:04:43,760
Speaker 1: Please? Uh no, that's not that great.

2718
02:04:44,200 --> 02:04:46,960
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, dude, why does d C?

2719
02:04:48,600 --> 02:04:50,240
Speaker 1: D C looks like he's been drugged?

2720
02:04:50,480 --> 02:04:52,920
Speaker 4: Joe looks like he's taking the world's biggest dump, and

2721
02:04:53,080 --> 02:04:55,080
Speaker 4: also that he's the lead singer of Cannibal Corpse.

2722
02:04:55,560 --> 02:04:57,760
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, it's a bad tattoo. That's that's I give

2723
02:04:57,800 --> 02:04:59,680
Speaker 1: that all right.

2724
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:02,680
Speaker 2: Finally, Mikey had to pull away the penis in a

2725
02:05:03,360 --> 02:05:06,040
Speaker 2: jiu jitsu gee tattoo. So we'll skip that, Luke, because

2726
02:05:06,040 --> 02:05:08,640
Speaker 2: it was very graphically done. But let's go over to

2727
02:05:08,800 --> 02:05:11,840
Speaker 2: elder of use a couple more left. Throw mama from

2728
02:05:11,920 --> 02:05:14,400
Speaker 2: the moving card. No, don't put mama on a dirt

2729
02:05:14,400 --> 02:05:14,920
Speaker 2: bike please.

2730
02:05:18,640 --> 02:05:24,520
Speaker 1: Oh Jesus Christ. Oh, here we go. Yep, bang oh.

2731
02:05:28,440 --> 02:05:32,040
Speaker 1: I was like yo tokyo drift with this motherfucking thing.

2732
02:05:32,920 --> 02:05:35,480
Speaker 2: Luke, nobody hates bare feet on a plane more than you.

2733
02:05:36,040 --> 02:05:39,800
Speaker 2: These five toes ruin your day. How about six of them? Luke?

2734
02:05:42,840 --> 02:05:44,200
Speaker 1: Wait, dude, what.

2735
02:05:48,040 --> 02:05:50,480
Speaker 3: You know, You know, Danny Swift Garcia has a foot

2736
02:05:50,560 --> 02:05:54,920
Speaker 3: like that, Luke, Dude, who is this mutant? Some people

2737
02:05:55,000 --> 02:05:57,800
Speaker 3: have six toes, Luke, play this, play that one one

2738
02:05:57,880 --> 02:05:58,400
Speaker 3: more time.

2739
02:05:58,880 --> 02:06:03,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, look at this diseased creature.

2740
02:06:03,600 --> 02:06:05,880
Speaker 2: Okay, Luke, I mean you know he could probably get

2741
02:06:05,920 --> 02:06:07,360
Speaker 2: it removed at this point, right.

2742
02:06:07,800 --> 02:06:10,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, you just got He's probably got some vestigial twin,

2743
02:06:11,200 --> 02:06:13,040
Speaker 4: you know, coming out of his chest like the you know,

2744
02:06:13,120 --> 02:06:15,760
Speaker 4: an alien movie, you know what I mean, like just

2745
02:06:15,840 --> 02:06:16,960
Speaker 4: a disgusting.

2746
02:06:18,360 --> 02:06:21,720
Speaker 1: Thing living on him, like crying and teenage mutant Nina

2747
02:06:21,760 --> 02:06:22,440
Speaker 1: Turtles whatever.

2748
02:06:22,280 --> 02:06:26,480
Speaker 2: Weh, Luke, I close with this. People react differently in stressful,

2749
02:06:27,240 --> 02:06:31,720
Speaker 2: chaotic situations like this school fire. Let's go to Middle America.

2750
02:06:32,640 --> 02:06:38,560
Speaker 13: Oh my god, and they, okay, you got a cigarette

2751
02:06:38,560 --> 02:06:39,360
Speaker 13: and a goddamn lighter.

2752
02:06:45,320 --> 02:06:47,919
Speaker 2: Excuse me, ma'am, could you tell me where the inner stands?

2753
02:06:49,400 --> 02:06:49,640
Speaker 7: Man?

2754
02:06:50,240 --> 02:06:54,760
Speaker 1: Fuck yo, mama, play out one more time, dude. Listen

2755
02:06:54,800 --> 02:06:56,640
Speaker 1: to her. Listen to how urgent she.

2756
02:06:56,760 --> 02:07:02,880
Speaker 13: Asked, Oh my god, and they okay, you got a

2757
02:07:03,000 --> 02:07:04,240
Speaker 13: cigarette and goddamn lighter.

2758
02:07:06,520 --> 02:07:08,040
Speaker 1: Dude, she needs some relief.

2759
02:07:08,600 --> 02:07:11,120
Speaker 2: Yes, please, that's the ship of the week. Thank you

2760
02:07:11,240 --> 02:07:14,520
Speaker 2: Mikey for organizing that for me. That's all I got there.

2761
02:07:14,600 --> 02:07:17,040
Speaker 2: What a show? The best two hours of anyone's week

2762
02:07:17,200 --> 02:07:19,160
Speaker 2: or your money back. I believe that very much. So

2763
02:07:19,280 --> 02:07:23,280
Speaker 2: all right, thank you, Looke, Morningcombat Dot Store, get your

2764
02:07:23,320 --> 02:07:27,160
Speaker 2: merch get ready this Friday for the average Joe Launch.

2765
02:07:27,800 --> 02:07:30,320
Speaker 1: I saw him. You see his tweet? No, what do

2766
02:07:30,360 --> 02:07:35,080
Speaker 1: you say? He was like, September eighth is news to me.

2767
02:07:35,240 --> 02:07:36,640
Speaker 1: And they had like an emoji where he was like

2768
02:07:36,720 --> 02:07:37,400
Speaker 1: covering his face.

2769
02:07:37,520 --> 02:07:40,560
Speaker 2: Oh boy, all right, well we have technical difficulties in

2770
02:07:40,640 --> 02:07:42,960
Speaker 2: this show a lot, Luke, a lot. I mean, just

2771
02:07:43,400 --> 02:07:45,240
Speaker 2: we're trying to get two guys on the show at

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Speaker 2: the same time. Well we did that today. Thank you

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Speaker 2: everybody for playing ball you. This Saturday after UFC two

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Speaker 2: ninety three, Luke Thomas will be live and direct with

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Speaker 2: the Morning Combat Instant Analysis.

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Speaker 1: Are you doing Are you doing CBS Sports HQ?

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Speaker 6: I am.

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Speaker 2: I got a bunch of hits this week, Luke. Friday night,

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Speaker 2: Saturday night, Tomorrow morning. I mean, I'm I'm gonna be

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna be rocking out with my sea out. All right.

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Speaker 1: They didn't ask me to do. Uh well, I'll talk later.

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Speaker 2: Maybe you've been like, oh, Luke, I've got.

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Speaker 1: A red stapler here.

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Speaker 2: It's I'll take it with me, all right, thank you

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Speaker 2: to Luke Thobas, I have Brian Camble your boy.

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Speaker 1: Vote vote vote, Vote, vote vote.

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Speaker 2: Right now, hit that QR code best MMA programming. We're

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Speaker 2: going for the third straight year, looke. If we well,

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Speaker 2: you know what we are nominated?

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Speaker 1: Are we going?

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Speaker 2: It's hard to tell, but if this aligns with let's

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Speaker 2: say no, but let's say they do this the weekend

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Speaker 2: of that big UFC card in December, which, by the way,

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Speaker 2: could actually be Connor versus Chandler for better or worse

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Speaker 2: if it is Luke, and what if it's also what

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Speaker 2: if it's also Fravola versus Patty if they actually made that,

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Speaker 2: imagine that We'll have Matt Fravola's interview pretty soon. By

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Speaker 2: the way. Uh, we gotta go accept it. If we

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Speaker 2: got to go up to fight for it, right be

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Speaker 2: in the crowd.

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Speaker 1: I think we do. And we we didn't go last

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Speaker 1: year because I thought we were all like, oh, you

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Speaker 1: know whatever, but uh, a three peat. I think you

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Speaker 1: got to be there for the three peat.

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Speaker 2: I think we do. Last year. We did have a

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Speaker 2: lot of travel around that time, so we chose not

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Speaker 2: to go, but uh oh, Mikey's got to go. Well,

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Speaker 2: I got to close the show. That's it. Thank you,

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Speaker 2: Mikey Morrin's behind the scenes. Thank you to the fans.

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Speaker 2: Thank you forever they take care of yourselves, Tip your waitresses,

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Speaker 2: the holes. Yeah, I mean, you got to pick one,

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Speaker 2: though hopefully it's a good one. We out