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Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where the real March madness is

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Speaker 1: the Fox Football robots still getting work after twenty five

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Speaker 2: We're not done with that again.

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Speaker 3: No, it's robotics is the future and just like it

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Speaker 3: was in nineteen ninety seven.

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Speaker 2: Or what a bit I'm Greg Rosenthal.

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Speaker 1: I mean the Chris Westling podcast studio with Patrick Claybon.

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Speaker 1: I could have said the real March madness is Claybon

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Speaker 1: wearing an NFL Network polo outside of training camp.

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Speaker 2: I like it, though, Yeah, it representing.

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Speaker 3: Any grief did I get for? The shorts instantly goes

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Speaker 3: away when I put the polo on, Like nobody questions

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Speaker 3: the shorts when the polo appears. And that's why I

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Speaker 3: love the polo.

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Speaker 1: Patrick famously wears shorts more to the NFL Network offices

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Speaker 1: than anyone else in the entire building. He is the

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Speaker 1: least diva of all the talent at the network except

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Speaker 1: for this one thing, and this one thing this is

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Speaker 1: where he shows plays.

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Speaker 2: This puts me in that count now.

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Speaker 1: But it's just like, hey, I can pull this off.

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Speaker 1: Jim and Accounting can't.

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Speaker 3: Jim in Accounting. I encouraged Jim and Accounting to work.

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Speaker 1: Okay, well he's not working that leg day either. That's

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Speaker 1: part of the pretty privilege, as Mina Chimes would call it.

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Speaker 2: During the draft.

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Speaker 3: I am a skinny guy. Every inch on these caves

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Speaker 3: was earned.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, Look, this is a different sort of show here.

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Speaker 1: We're starting the week and we're really starting to look

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Speaker 1: forward to the draft in a more meaningful way. Doesn't

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Speaker 1: mean every show moving forward until the Draft is draft related,

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Speaker 1: but I'm honest about where I'm coming from. I've been

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Speaker 1: studying the draft, but now it's time to really cram.

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Speaker 1: It's really time to go into overboard. We're doing forties

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Speaker 1: in free agence with Daniel jerem I every week. He's

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Speaker 1: obviously helping me out. We talked to Adam West last week.

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Speaker 2: That was fun.

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Speaker 1: But I wanted to kind of set up this this

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Speaker 1: unofficial start of draft season here on NFL Daily by

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Speaker 1: really just asking the big questions that I want answered

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Speaker 1: over the next month and into the draft. So I'm

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Speaker 1: recognizing that our listeners have a wide base here in

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Speaker 1: terms of knowledge. Some they could break down, like the

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Speaker 1: top ten defensive tackles in this class.

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Speaker 2: They already know it. Some are closer to me or

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Speaker 2: they're behind me.

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Speaker 1: They're casual fans that they just want to start learning

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Speaker 1: about the draft.

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Speaker 2: They don't know everything.

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Speaker 1: So I'm thinking kind of big picture just to kind

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Speaker 1: of kick off a conversation, and who else but Patrick

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Speaker 1: Laban to really have like a big picture view of it.

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Speaker 1: We're just going to ask some questions that we want

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Speaker 2: We're opening the kimono. I don't know what we're doing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the kimono, the swim lanes, all all of the

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Speaker 3: corporate jardan that we can u it's all applicable here

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Speaker 3: and unlike some other vehicles, we will define what they

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Speaker 2: Okay, here I'm gonna I'll kick us off. Why not?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: And this is.

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Speaker 1: Again a show I'm kind of thinking about for the

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Speaker 1: And I think one thing to know about it that

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Speaker 1: I've learned at least enough, is that the profile of it,

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Speaker 1: it's very deep. It's great at some odd positions that

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Speaker 1: I think the conventional wisdom is after the first couple

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Speaker 1: Everyone knows cam Warden Shoulder standers that the difference between

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Speaker 1: pick five in twenty might not be that great. Hell,

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Speaker 1: the between pick ten and pick seventy might not be

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Speaker 1: guess my question here is like, what impact does that

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Speaker 1: terms of mock drafters not knowing what the hell's gonna happen,

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Speaker 3: I think it makes it more fun, and I think

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Speaker 3: it makes people show more allegiance to the value of

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Speaker 3: it's better to have three third round picks than this

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Speaker 3: because they've done the work. I don't know that every

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Speaker 1: In one of the teams, for instance, that have drafted

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Speaker 1: stupendously over the last few years of Detroit Lions, and

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Speaker 1: they've gotten a lot of pushback on draft day because

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Speaker 1: think more teams, to your point, will be like them

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Speaker 1: like they're just gonna worry about the player. Because the

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Speaker 2: And what I'm.

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Speaker 1: Taking away from that is that teams are just gonna

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Speaker 1: That I really do think there is something that some

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Speaker 1: be dealer's choice. It is going to make it harder

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Speaker 1: for the greaters, harder for the mock drafters. I think

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Speaker 1: it makes it more fun because we still have plenty

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Speaker 1: not consensus, and who wants consensus?

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Speaker 3: Nobody in life.

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Speaker 2: This is good.

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Speaker 1: This exercise is good for me because I don't know

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Speaker 1: if you're like me, Patrick, I think best out loud,

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Speaker 2: That's how I talk through things to.

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Speaker 3: Act learn, literally have conversations with myself out loud. Not

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Speaker 1: Right, Other people they have to think, they think it

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Speaker 1: not us, all right, give me a question, Okay, it's it's.

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Speaker 3: Along a similar idea to yours, And I think it

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Speaker 3: adds a lot of randomness because so much of this

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Speaker 3: draft is not just evaluating the decision that you want

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Speaker 3: be that arguably one of the top I'll say, the

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Speaker 3: best player in this draft, the top three players in

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Speaker 3: this draft. Teams don't even know what position other teams

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Speaker 1: Okay, so those three would be Travis Hun or Abdull

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Speaker 3: However you want, however you want to mix it.

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Speaker 1: I just wanted to be anyone, just wanted to be

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Speaker 3: I think I think Travis Hunter is the best football

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Speaker 3: lot of people do, but they don't necessarily agree on

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Jeremiah had Hunter falling to the Patriots at four

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Speaker 1: in his latest mock and there's logic behind why that

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Speaker 1: Carter is seen as just clearly the best edge, clearly

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Speaker 1: yet from the outside looking in, Travis Hunner, of course

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Speaker 3: It's insane.

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Speaker 1: At wide receiver and cornerback. It is not a good

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Speaker 1: He is the best cornerback in this class, maybe by

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Speaker 1: a lot. Will Johnson's got his fans out there.

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Speaker 1: Then at wide receiver, He's clearly number one at the

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Speaker 3: Ultimately, you know, somebody Travis has representation and they're going

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Speaker 3: to you know, subsume three percent of his career earnings.

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Speaker 1: has randomly been undersold. I mean, everyone knows Travis Hunner.

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Speaker 1: He's a Heisman Trophy winner. He's getting you know, a

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Speaker 2: I've covered the NFL for twenty years. It's nothing. Never

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Speaker 2: been a player like them.

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Speaker 1: There's never been a player like them in the history

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Speaker 1: of football. And you can go, oh, well, what about Becca,

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Speaker 1: who's that guy who? What about back in like the

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Speaker 1: fifties and the forties, you know, smoking Chuck Berrik, smoking

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Speaker 1: it was barely professional. You just can't compare it. It's

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Speaker 1: The guys that were playing that was badass, like incredible athletes.

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Speaker 1: But you just can't compare the sport, let's say, since

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Speaker 1: the merger, even if we want to be generous, and

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Speaker 1: there's been nothing since the merger of anything like this,

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Speaker 1: And I'm I can't help but think of show Hey

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Speaker 1: They're just the greatest athletes of all timer right now,

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Speaker 1: because that's how it always is. So why couldn't he

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Speaker 1: just be the best at both positions? And who knows,

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Speaker 1: forty on both sides.

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Speaker 1: We're asking big questions about a big part of our

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Speaker 1: all of us. We're going to lean on you, Patrick,

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Speaker 3: Learning is a process that's best achieved collaboratively, and so

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Speaker 1: got last year, but not enough that you're not just

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Speaker 1: gonna put the whole thing on your fourth round pick

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Speaker 1: from a year ago Commanders. Maybe they want one of

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Speaker 1: their own guys, the new guys, the Saints, the forty

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Speaker 1: nine ers, the Chiefs. Like, there's a lot of different

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Speaker 1: running back hungry teams. I'm gonna ask a question, how

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Speaker 1: do the Giants, Browns, and Saints front offices specifically think

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Speaker 1: is the best way to save their jobs?

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Speaker 2: Because those are the three teams I think.

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Speaker 1: That go into the draft with the most pressure on them,

447
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Speaker 1: needing to deliver something.

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Speaker 3: Now, with the first two, it seems obvious the way

449
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Speaker 3: to save your job is to take the quarterback and

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Speaker 3: have some sort of promise with the quarterback. In twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty five, if there's not that and they don't go

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Speaker 3: to the playoffs, I don't think either one of those

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Speaker 3: situations is viable in the long term. We've discussed Lumas situation.

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Speaker 3: I don't I don't know what it actually takes.

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Speaker 1: I know he's got he's standing on the table saying,

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Speaker 1: you know, we need to save our job, and it

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Speaker 1: just that's I just think those three teams will be interesting.

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Speaker 1: I think they need immediate impact drafts, So to me,

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Speaker 1: it'll be interesting to see what they decided to do.

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Speaker 2: Give me another question here, Okay.

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Speaker 3: So we've considered, right that this free agent situation on linemen,

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Speaker 3: like after after the most recent signings, like Cam Robinson

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Speaker 3: goes that there's a significant drop off, right, and we

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Speaker 3: we know like there's there's a premium at this position

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Speaker 3: and we've seen like a huge run. Is it is

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Speaker 3: it not conceivable that we purely just get lineman for

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Speaker 3: like seven picks in a row in this draft.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a good call that I think. I really

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Speaker 1: believe that we're entering a new phase of the NFL

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Speaker 1: where I think the premium on offensive lineman has gone

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Speaker 1: to another level. Whereas, yes, there's always been a premium

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Speaker 1: on them, but now the guards, this is a really

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Speaker 1: good guard class. They're getting pushed up even more. Look

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Speaker 1: at what they're making in free agency. The centers certainly

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Speaker 1: as well. Teams hit on a bunch of rookie centers

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Speaker 1: last year. This is not supposed to be a great

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Speaker 1: rookie center class, but it's a good rookie guard class.

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Speaker 1: And I do think that there's a premium on tackles

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Speaker 1: to the point now where they're getting pushed up like

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Speaker 1: a round.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're like quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: And aenough are there good enough players at these positions

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Speaker 1: to really support like those guys getting so high, cause

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Speaker 1: if you go and you go through like the top

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Speaker 1: one hundred prospects rankings, like Eric Aedholmes does a good

486
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Speaker 1: job of that, there's not a ton of guys near

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Speaker 1: the top. Will Campbell from Lsu, Arman Membu from Missouri.

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Speaker 1: They're legit up there and they're not going to make

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Speaker 1: it out of the top ten. But there's not a

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Speaker 1: lot of tackles that people are excited about in this class.

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Speaker 2: So like, how how far do you get pushed up?

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Speaker 1: Because you better be right too, Like, yeah, you need

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Speaker 1: to find guards and tackles in the draft. But when

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Speaker 1: you miss on him, like, no one feels bad for you. Uh,

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Speaker 1: like kan Wu for the Panthers have been waiting for

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Speaker 1: him to turn it around.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I just think like with Zabel with Banks, like

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Speaker 3: some of these, some of these.

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Speaker 1: Like Calvin Banks from Texas, He's a very divisive prospect.

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Speaker 3: Yes, like the spots where we're projecting teams to come

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Speaker 3: up and reach to these quarterbacks. Uh, there's going to

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Speaker 3: be an offensive lineman where a team is looking at

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Speaker 3: looking at their cap structure Strafford, like they are going

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Speaker 3: to want to have these years of control for these

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Speaker 3: for these linemen where it's like, why am I going

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Speaker 3: to swing at this quarterback that's I don't know, mm hmm,

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Speaker 3: versus taking this guy where he makes the numbers work

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Speaker 3: out for me long term if I think I'm going

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Speaker 3: to have my job long term.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's where a guy like Josh Simmons, who's coming

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Speaker 1: off of a really serious injury, maybe he gets taken

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Speaker 1: in the middle to the late first round.

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Speaker 2: He was from Ohio State. Kind of reminds me of

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Speaker 2: Paris Campbell.

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Speaker 1: Well, actually, now that I think of it, and he's

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Speaker 1: got his former offensive line coach in Arizona, maybe he's

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Speaker 1: an option for them in the middle of the first

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Speaker 1: round where you start taking bigger swings. Gray's Abel you mentioned,

519
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Speaker 1: who can play center, play guard, play tackle. Probably he's

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Speaker 1: going to play center. Josh Connery the Oregon tackle Like,

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Speaker 1: these guys are going to get pushed up. Speaking of

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Speaker 1: pushed up, my last question here is just how high

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Speaker 1: to the top of the tight ends go, because, like

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Speaker 1: I said, it's a great class. You're not going to

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Speaker 1: be able to find brock Bauers every year. But coming

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Speaker 1: off a couple of classes now where the tight ends

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Speaker 1: came in and made pretty big impacts. Where coaches are

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Speaker 1: being creative and what they're asking their tight ends, maybe

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Speaker 1: not asking him to just be in there in line blocking,

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Speaker 1: but figuring out the plays where they actually can block

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Speaker 1: and not kill you, like a Sam Laporta when he

532
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Speaker 1: didn't necessarily show that in college or some other players

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Speaker 1: like that.

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Speaker 2: Obviously, brock Bauers is kind of like a big wide

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Speaker 2: receiver and it's great at it.

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Speaker 1: How high do they go now in the first round,

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Speaker 1: especially that's Tyler Warren and that's Colston Loveland. Could they

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Speaker 1: go both of them or one of them ahead of

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Speaker 1: any wide receiver in this class? Like that's sort of

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Speaker 1: where we're talking about them. Yeah, any non Travis Hunter, right,

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Speaker 1: So I'm not counting Travis Hunter. That's a fair point.

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Speaker 1: Any just like only wide receiver.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think they could. I don't necessarily see them

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Speaker 3: because even though I'm pretty sure brock bowers rookie season

545
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Speaker 3: wasn't a surprise to anybody, Like anybody that saw him

546
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Speaker 3: play Georgia and evaluated him, It's like, Okay, brock Bowers

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Speaker 3: did brock Bowers things? Did we go back to the

548
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Speaker 3: Kyle Pitts draft where that hasn't necessarily been successful. But

549
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Speaker 3: like even those guys right, didn't go ultimately that high.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and so like now that we're like ours fell

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Speaker 2: the what thirteen?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so with like Loveland, right, I just it's tough

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Speaker 3: to imagine the value to the position going up more,

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Speaker 3: even if even if you say that this draft isn't

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Speaker 3: as talent heavy as previous years.

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Speaker 1: That's the thing, the guys getting taken. Someone's got to

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Speaker 1: go between five and fifteen. I don't think those guys

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Speaker 1: would have gotten gone between five and fifteen the last

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Speaker 1: few years.

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Speaker 2: And it might be Tyler Warreon.

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Speaker 1: Tyler Warren is a fascinating and weird evaluation. I think

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Speaker 1: some teams will wonder how much he translates. But also

563
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Speaker 1: he's just a total beast with the ball in his

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Speaker 1: hands from Penn State, just dominating games. And someone's gonna

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Speaker 1: fall in love with that guy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And so like Kyle Pitts ultimately did go before

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Speaker 3: Jamar Chase, but the quarterbacks probably pushed brock Bauers down.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: Wait, Kyle Pitts went ahead of Jamar Chase, Is that right?

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Speaker 3: I think so? Right? I thought he went and like

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Speaker 3: it was was it wasn't it?

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Speaker 1: Four?

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Speaker 2: Oh? That's right.

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Speaker 1: You don't know why my brain has thought that he

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Speaker 1: went like eight in that class. I was trying to

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Speaker 1: be generous. That's where Drake London went to the Falcons.

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Speaker 1: That's what I was I was thinking of, And so

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Speaker 1: that's kind of rough. I feel bad for Pitts just

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Speaker 1: that he went ahead of Jamar Chase.

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Speaker 3: There's still a chance and who knows what Falcons Jamar

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Speaker 3: Chase's career would have been.

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Speaker 2: Like, he would have been probably probably would have been five.

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Speaker 1: Would Drake London has still shown that he's Drake London.

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Speaker 1: And as great as Drake London is, he's not quite

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Speaker 1: Jamar Chase.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the whole. You know, it's hard not to

587
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Speaker 3: look at the draft as like the individual constituents, but

588
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Speaker 3: you have to look at the whole thing. And I

589
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Speaker 3: know folks are like, well, hey, you can you can

590
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Speaker 3: get Bucky Irving in the fourth round. If you knew

591
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Speaker 3: he was Bucky Irving, then he wouldn't be he wouldn't

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Speaker 3: be good lasting to the four right.

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Speaker 1: And that's why these tight ends I think are going

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Speaker 1: to go pretty early, potentially both in the top twenty,

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Speaker 1: maybe Tyler Wood, maybe either one could go in the

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Speaker 1: top ten. Nothing would be I think a shock here.

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Speaker 1: And then there's Elijah Arroyo from Miami, There's Mason Taylor

598
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Speaker 1: from LSU. These are guys with transferable NFL skills. We've

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Speaker 1: seen that these guys don't really make it out of

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Speaker 1: the top fifty to fifty five, and so I think

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Speaker 1: the question for a lot of these teams, and this

602
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Speaker 1: is more of the big picture thought, is like do

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Speaker 1: you take the tight end or do you take the

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Speaker 1: receiver prospects? So there's four really solid ones and great

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Speaker 1: ones at the top, but also some good, maybe second

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Speaker 1: round options. Do you have one more question?

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Speaker 3: I've emptied the clip.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate the honesty. We're just getting warmed up this week.

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Speaker 1: I'm excited that's some of your favorites on the show

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Speaker 1: joining us. Well, we got Shook, we got Colleen and

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Speaker 1: Shorten later in the week. Look when it's time, when

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Speaker 1: we're finally starting to cram for the NFL Draft, Patrick

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Speaker 1: like free agency, it's over.

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Speaker 2: Football's back