Speaker 1: Cat, Hello, how are you? I'm great. I'm great, I'm excited.
Speaker 1: I'm pumped. Look at us. Look at us with microphones
Speaker 1: next to our faces. Wow, we look like real professionals.
Speaker 1: We do. If only they knew that I'm not wearing
Speaker 1: any good right? Yeah? Yeah, yeah? How are you? Tell
Speaker 1: me everything? What's new? I'm good? I am currently on location,
Speaker 1: so I'm sitting in a closet with every cushion and
Speaker 1: do they cover surrounding me? How about yourself? Where in
Speaker 1: the world are you? I'm in New York. I'm filming
Speaker 1: a TV show here. It's very exciting, amazing, But more importantly,
Speaker 1: we're not here to talk about this TV show. We're
Speaker 1: here to talk about something new. And should we tell
Speaker 1: them what we're doing here? I think we should tell them?
Speaker 1: Do you think we should tell them? I think we
Speaker 1: should tell them. I think the suspense has been going
Speaker 1: on long enough. So Dom and I would like to
Speaker 1: officially welcome you to the first installment of our podcast,
Speaker 1: where we will take you into the Fray and delve
Speaker 1: into the shadow world that we all know and love
Speaker 1: so much, highlighting the stories from the set, our favorite
Speaker 1: plot lines, the show's legacy, all powered by the beloved
Speaker 1: Shadow Fam. I'm Katherine McNamara and I am Domini Showden.
Speaker 1: Together we make up place the Clarion Jay's partnership on
Speaker 1: Shadow Hunters. We are so excited to be able to
Speaker 1: go back and revisit something that was so so beautiful
Speaker 1: to us and and as many of you have told us,
Speaker 1: so important to you. So we get to go and
Speaker 1: have a little look back at what we did and
Speaker 1: what we all shared together, and that's super exciting. It
Speaker 1: really is. So join us Shadow Fam as we return
Speaker 1: to this set. Welcome to the podcast world, shadow Fam.
Speaker 1: Here it is here we are. The Shadow Fam has
Speaker 1: slowly taken over various different parts of the world in
Speaker 1: the interwebs, and we figured the podcast realm is just
Speaker 1: another dimension in which we can spread the love of
Speaker 1: the Shadow Fam. It really is eventually going to take
Speaker 1: over the planet. That's my personal plan. I don't know
Speaker 1: if anyone else feels that way, but that is what
Speaker 1: I have been thinking that Basically when I joined the show,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, yeah, I'm going to be literally
Speaker 1: king of Earth one day, and this is just the
Speaker 1: next step. It is. Can we adapt yourine Matt Dadario
Speaker 1: Zombie apocalypse plan to the Shadow fam have a different
Speaker 1: plan or so for this we do involves a boat, uh,
Speaker 1: several boats, common deer boats. We should talk about this
Speaker 1: when Matt's on the show. We have we have a
Speaker 1: we have a plan. We have a plan in place
Speaker 1: for taking over the world. But in all seriousness, thank
Speaker 1: you so much for being here with us today. And
Speaker 1: I know Dom you know, we've been planning this for
Speaker 1: a really long time and wanted to do something special
Speaker 1: for the Shadow fan. We missed the Shadow world. We
Speaker 1: miss all of you, and it's been a couple of
Speaker 1: years since we've been able to be, you know, in
Speaker 1: the same space as all of you. So we're coming
Speaker 1: into your space and we're asking you to come on
Speaker 1: the stradio with us. We're intruding. You said no, we're
Speaker 1: not coming. We're not coming to see you. So we
Speaker 1: are visiting you via phone, via computer, via radio, anywhere
Speaker 1: where you can hear us. That's where we're going to be.
Speaker 1: I can't wait, well with no further ade, do you
Speaker 1: is that right? I do? Without further ado, without further
Speaker 1: like like on much ado about nothing. Yeah, like in
Speaker 1: the morning when it's do spelled differently, but that's all right.
Speaker 1: It's it's a it's a homophone. It works. Here's Cat
Speaker 1: keeping me good with my grammar. Thank you very much,
Speaker 1: Cat teller. Tell her, Tell them, tell him, Tell everyone
Speaker 1: who's listening, pets, family, mom's, dad's, brothers, sisters, Tell them
Speaker 1: all what we're doing today, what's the plan? So for
Speaker 1: our first episode, we are diving in to do a
Speaker 1: rewatch of the first episode called the Immortal Cup, season one,
Speaker 1: episode one, our beloved pilot that we spent many weeks, days,
Speaker 1: hours filming. It's almost a month, wasn't it. Didn't We
Speaker 1: spend almost a month filming this. It felt like it.
Speaker 1: But I think that's because with pre pre production kind
Speaker 1: of blurred into it and we were still getting started,
Speaker 1: you know, we were still learning what the world was
Speaker 1: and what the show was and what that process was
Speaker 1: going to be. So, you know, that's a really interesting
Speaker 1: thing because I I rewatched it yesterday again just as
Speaker 1: a refresher course, and there are some like noticeable things
Speaker 1: that I found Where I was, I sort of saw like, oh,
Speaker 1: we haven't found our feet yet. Were well on the way.
Speaker 1: But there are some things. There are some like laws
Speaker 1: like L O R E. Laws, that we am like,
Speaker 1: we just ignored that later on that we just stopped
Speaker 1: doing that. That was just the thing, like, this is
Speaker 1: too complicated. We're gonna we're gonna pretend that didn't happen.
Speaker 1: It was interesting, It was kind of experimental in that way.
Speaker 1: There were so many things went, well, how does this happen?
Speaker 1: Or how what does it look like when we kill
Speaker 1: a demon? Or what are the rules of you know
Speaker 1: what Warlock magic looks like? And you just kind of go,
Speaker 1: I don't know, let's try this well, and interestingly, all
Speaker 1: sort of everything, as much as it was a conversation,
Speaker 1: things like Warlock Magic ended up being Harry's decision, you know,
Speaker 1: like everything was sort of everyone's individual, like how do
Speaker 1: you do this? This is how I would do this,
Speaker 1: this is what I think it would look like. And
Speaker 1: obviously Harry did a spectacular job. And you know, Matt
Speaker 1: designed what Grumpy shadow Hunter look like and Emerald flirty
Speaker 1: shadow Hunter, and I guess I took a hand in
Speaker 1: Cocky shadow Unter and we got to start this world,
Speaker 1: which was petrifying, to be completely honest. There was so
Speaker 1: much responsibility into what we had to do, and fortunately
Speaker 1: people liked it. And we got to keep coming back
Speaker 1: and keep doing it, which was awesome, It really was.
Speaker 1: I remember that first dinner when I arrived in Toronto,
Speaker 1: the rest of you were all there, and you gathered
Speaker 1: everyone in the lobby to say hello, and we all
Speaker 1: went to dinner. And I'll never forget that first dinner
Speaker 1: I think you did. Doesn't sound like me, how very
Speaker 1: social I think it does. You were very social and
Speaker 1: very sweet, and you know, we all kind of bonded
Speaker 1: together instantly. And it's when I met Isaiah for the
Speaker 1: first time, and when I met Matt for the first time,
Speaker 1: and and we all sat there around the dinner table
Speaker 1: and went, this is a huge responsibility and kind of
Speaker 1: had a chance to talk about all that. And I remember,
Speaker 1: you know, Isaiah and Harry kind of sat the kids
Speaker 1: down and said, look, you know, this can be a
Speaker 1: really wonderful experience or a really terrible experience for all
Speaker 1: of us. So let's have fun and be good to
Speaker 1: each other and be good sports and be a team
Speaker 1: about this. And it set us off on just the
Speaker 1: right foot to be a family going through this whole process.
Speaker 1: It did. So shall we give the little bit of
Speaker 1: a description for the episode okay. Based on best selling
Speaker 1: young adult fantasy book series The Mortal Instruments by Cassandra Claire,
Speaker 1: shadow Hunters follows Clarie Fray, who finds out on her
Speaker 1: eighteenth birthday that she is not who she thinks she is.
Speaker 1: She comes from a long line of shadow Hunters, half
Speaker 1: human half angel hybrids tasked with protecting the down world
Speaker 1: from demons. Now thrown into the world of demon hunting
Speaker 1: after her mother is kidnapped, Clary must rely on the
Speaker 1: mysterious Jace and his fellow shadow Hunters Isabelle and Alec
Speaker 1: to navigate this new dark world. With her best friend
Speaker 1: Simon Intoe, Clary must now live among fairies, warlocks, vampires,
Speaker 1: and werewolves to find answers that could help find her mother.
Speaker 1: Nothing is as it seems, including her close family friend Luke,
Speaker 1: who knows more than he's letting on, as well as
Speaker 1: the enigmatic warlock Magnus Spain, who could hold the key
Speaker 1: to unlock in Clary's past. You know, I gotta say
Speaker 1: you should do audio books. I'd listened to that for days.
Speaker 1: That was just you have Yeah, yeah, I knew that.
Speaker 1: I listened to it. What book did you do? It
Speaker 1: was a new UM sci fi book that just came out.
Speaker 1: It was it was myself and Will Wheaton because it
Speaker 1: was a dual kind of narrated different Yes, yes, um cool.
Speaker 1: So this episode was written by Ed Dector and directed
Speaker 1: by the incredible mcg and it aired on January twelve.
Speaker 1: Now do we do? We want to watch little bits
Speaker 1: like how does this? How does the episode open? What happens?
Speaker 1: I watched it yesterday and I remember being upset that
Speaker 1: the first face you see is Matt's face. Well, I
Speaker 1: wanted to talk to you about this because do you
Speaker 1: remember the original script for the pilot UM started with
Speaker 1: the flashback of young Clary and Jocelyn at the lake,
Speaker 1: and then we sat down mcg who is our executive
Speaker 1: producer and brilliant director. He directed our first episode. He
Speaker 1: sat us down for that round table and we were
Speaker 1: able to sit down as a cast and talk through
Speaker 1: the entire episode. And it was such a great moment
Speaker 1: because we were are really given carte blanche to throw
Speaker 1: out opinions and say anything that we thought we in
Speaker 1: that moment, I don't remember who said it, maybe it
Speaker 1: was Mucchi, but we decided to rearrange the entire pilot.
Speaker 1: That sounds like mc gee. That sounds like McGee. McGee.
Speaker 1: McGee's a genius and he comes in with these ideas
Speaker 1: every now and then and it's just like, hey, we're
Speaker 1: doing this, and I'm like, okay, that's mental, but sure,
Speaker 1: we will trust you. So let's let's do it. It's great.
Speaker 1: Start in the middle. That's where stories should start, right
Speaker 1: in the middle. You got it literally what he said. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's literally what he said. He said, we should start
Speaker 1: with the shadow hunters on the hunt, hunting the demon
Speaker 1: in the in what is the distillery district of Toronto.
Speaker 1: But it was such a brilliant idea because then you
Speaker 1: get that moment where you're thrown into the into the fray,
Speaker 1: as it were, into the middle of everything. Then it
Speaker 1: cuts back ten hours earlier and you're going, wait, this
Speaker 1: is the most exciting part of the episode. You see
Speaker 1: Clary and Jason meat for the first time, and then
Speaker 1: it cuts and your left kind of with that suspense. Yeah,
Speaker 1: shall we dive in. Let's let's do it. So it's
Speaker 1: not even Matt. Matt's not the first one. It's the demon,
Speaker 1: the older guy in the glasses, that's the first one.
Speaker 1: We see he was the face of Shadow and he
Speaker 1: didn't even know. He didn't even know. Okay, so for
Speaker 1: those listening, the show opens and we're in New York City.
Speaker 1: We see a man at a concession stand that is
Speaker 1: apparently being tracked, and not just by one person, by
Speaker 1: a few people who seemed to be magical. Interesting. This
Speaker 1: is our first time, seemed dumb also known as Jace
Speaker 1: Harrendale and Matthew Jadario and Emerald Tabia as Alec and
Speaker 1: Isabel Lightwood are super siblings. And of course then Jace
Speaker 1: runs right into Clary yours truly instant chemistry right down,
Speaker 1: absolutely couldn't. I'll never forget the first time we saw
Speaker 1: this footage was it New York Comics. We were standing
Speaker 1: behind the screen, so we saw it as a mirror image,
Speaker 1: and it was I'd never I hadn't seen any of
Speaker 1: the show yet, I hadn't even seen a you know,
Speaker 1: a single clip, and it was so exciting. We'd all
Speaker 1: poured so much into this and and it had been
Speaker 1: our life for the last six months, and there it was,
Speaker 1: and we could hear the reactions of the really quite
Speaker 1: special to be able to hear that people they tell
Speaker 1: us that this is exciting and this you know, it's
Speaker 1: a popular show and whatever. And we also knew that
Speaker 1: the movie had been done once before and people didn't
Speaker 1: really respond to it how they had hoped, and you
Speaker 1: just don't know. You don't know what's going to happen.
Speaker 1: So to hear a response of people that I feel
Speaker 1: like it was whole Ah, wasn't it in San Diego? No,
Speaker 1: we were in New York. We're in New York. Oh,
Speaker 1: that's right, we were in New York. But I know
Speaker 1: that it was standing room only at the at the
Speaker 1: panel our for very first panel up there were there
Speaker 1: just shoulder checked me right away, Yeah, you're in the way.
Speaker 1: Although it is pretty disrespectful of Jace to, like, if
Speaker 1: he's aware that people can't see him, to not get
Speaker 1: out of the way, and then and then to be
Speaker 1: like indignant about the fact that I just checked this
Speaker 1: girl and she's like hey, and he's like, actually, that
Speaker 1: should have been my fault. I should have gotten out
Speaker 1: of your way, because you literally shouldn't have known that
Speaker 1: I was there. The fact that you could see me
Speaker 1: was a surprised to me. So it was very like,
Speaker 1: I wonder how many people he does that too, who
Speaker 1: have gone home that day and been like, I think
Speaker 1: I'm insane. I think I'm insane person because someone definitely
Speaker 1: brushed by me today. But I was in the shower,
Speaker 1: not that Jason was not in the shower. I just
Speaker 1: that's not what I meant. I just meant. What I
Speaker 1: meant was just a place where you would definitely be
Speaker 1: on your own. And the first thing that came to
Speaker 1: here was a shower. But obviously Jason wasn't watching people shower.
Speaker 1: That would have been super creepy unless they're demons. Unless
Speaker 1: they're a demon, But if they were a demon, they'd
Speaker 1: be able to see me. That's true, unless you were
Speaker 1: glamored tricky. These are conversations that we would have, like
Speaker 1: in the hallways of the institute fairly often like oh,
Speaker 1: could you but couldn't you do this? You'd be like, no,
Speaker 1: you can't do this because of this or what about this?
Speaker 1: So you can't do that because you said this. This
Speaker 1: is why we're also obsessed with the shadow world, because
Speaker 1: we literally spent so many years trying to logic everything
Speaker 1: out and going, you know, all the what ifs of
Speaker 1: the world. Yeah, and you and Alberto coming in with like, well,
Speaker 1: remember in the books, And I'm like, calm down with that.
Speaker 1: I'm barely getting to grips with the script. Just can
Speaker 1: you tell me what my last name is for this
Speaker 1: scene and then let's be done with it. Don't tell
Speaker 1: me what happens in books six. I don't need to
Speaker 1: know that. Be fair, we all have we all have
Speaker 1: far too many last names in this series, at least
Speaker 1: you and I. What did you you went through? Three?
Speaker 1: Very fair child, Morgan Stern? Yeah, yeah, three. Yeah. We
Speaker 1: don't need to do a kill count. We need to
Speaker 1: do a last name count. That's what we should really do.
Speaker 1: So many last names people went through. Yeah, who's related
Speaker 1: to who? At this point in the story. Something else
Speaker 1: I wanted to bring up is I think it's I
Speaker 1: find it very kind of first season indicative that your
Speaker 1: first thing that you filmed is this badass shadow hunter
Speaker 1: on the Hunt. And the first thing that I filmed
Speaker 1: this Clary was that scene walking into the Brooklyn Academy
Speaker 1: of Art. And I'll never forget my first yeah, my
Speaker 1: first day on set ever, as Clary was walking into
Speaker 1: that build with my portfolio in hand, and the first
Speaker 1: words I ever said is Clary was high I'm Clari Frey.
Speaker 1: That's pretty cool, And that moment was so all encompassing,
Speaker 1: and you know, all the work that we'd put in,
Speaker 1: all the long audition process, everything, you and I had
Speaker 1: worked so hard to kind of own these roles and
Speaker 1: be able to say I am Clary and I am
Speaker 1: Jason to start off like that. Our A d s
Speaker 1: always did this to us, though they always sort of
Speaker 1: scheduled things in a very fortuitous way. Well, because Silick
Speaker 1: was doing a lot of it in season one, was
Speaker 1: he not? Silick, who was then an assistant director, was
Speaker 1: in charge of a lot of it. I mean, he's
Speaker 1: a dad in real life and sort of became a
Speaker 1: bit of a dad slash buddy to all of us,
Speaker 1: and he was kind of the guy that you would
Speaker 1: go to if anything was wrong, or he would see
Speaker 1: it a lot of times and he would be like, oh, no,
Speaker 1: we should do like you say, we should do this
Speaker 1: scene now because it's going to mean a lot to
Speaker 1: cat or it's going to mean a lots of dom
Speaker 1: or like we should do this first because this is
Speaker 1: going to be tricky to be followed by this or
Speaker 1: whatever it is. They were, They were so caring about us.
Speaker 1: You know, there's a I think there'll be a lot
Speaker 1: of people listening to this who delve more into this,
Speaker 1: which is really exciting, But there were a lot of
Speaker 1: people listening who don't know what it's icon set. You
Speaker 1: see the finished product and you see little bits of
Speaker 1: sort of behind the scenes stuff, and I think it's
Speaker 1: really important to note that the guys who worked on
Speaker 1: this show went above and beyond every day of the
Speaker 1: week for as far back as I can remember. From
Speaker 1: day one, it was a group of people willing to
Speaker 1: go through kind of hellen back, especially season one when
Speaker 1: we were pulling. You know, they were like thirty something
Speaker 1: days where I didn't didn't stop filming. I was doing
Speaker 1: something every day for thirty days. You must have been
Speaker 1: the same because we were always together. It was days
Speaker 1: every day. Nowadays it was relentance and we were in
Speaker 1: coming winter. And season one we didn't really experience a
Speaker 1: proper winter though, do we no, Because we shot through
Speaker 1: the summer. It was it was like April to November
Speaker 1: or something. And then season two is when we hit
Speaker 1: a good winter or we dove right into the mid
Speaker 1: stip it first. Later on that's going to come like
Speaker 1: episode to get there fourteen of the podcast, when we
Speaker 1: can really delve into what it was like to film
Speaker 1: in the Torontoni in winter. It was really but I
Speaker 1: will I'll second what you were saying though. It's something
Speaker 1: that I always try and express about the Shadow families.
Speaker 1: You know, we have this incredible fandom and we have
Speaker 1: all of this, but it really started with that family
Speaker 1: that we had on set. And I've never been on
Speaker 1: a set like that before or since, where every single
Speaker 1: department really is a cohesive unit and cares and shares
Speaker 1: resources and information and everyone was there setting ego aside
Speaker 1: every single day to create and tell a story and
Speaker 1: to work together to build this world from the inside out.
Speaker 1: And it made it such a special process because it
Speaker 1: went beyond you know, doing a good job, but also
Speaker 1: taking care of the people that were there and the
Speaker 1: family that was working so hard every single day to
Speaker 1: build this this world totally, totally, And on the note
Speaker 1: of building this world, I just want to talk a
Speaker 1: bit about delays. They were a major part of our show, um,
Speaker 1: but they were also new to us. They were a
Speaker 1: new thing we hadn't seen or worked with before. So
Speaker 1: just even talking about the words stell a number one
Speaker 1: that conversation about how to pronounce it properly probably took
Speaker 1: a week. Oh my goodness, is it a steel? Is
Speaker 1: it a Steely? It was none of those things. It
Speaker 1: was a Stelle. And that's another thing that we got
Speaker 1: to decide, like how do you say that. We're going
Speaker 1: to say it like this, That's how we're going to
Speaker 1: say it. And fragile season one they were fragile, very
Speaker 1: very fragile. Yes, we broke so many How many did
Speaker 1: we break? I know, I know my count I know what.
Speaker 1: I know how many I broke because I got yelled
Speaker 1: out for it by the props department. I know I
Speaker 1: broke at least three because I kept putting them in
Speaker 1: my back pocket and setting on them and sitting there.
Speaker 1: I didn't have them as much. They were not designed
Speaker 1: when I didn't use them very much. You didn't know.
Speaker 1: We did kind of skip over the a few things
Speaker 1: that happened. I just want to jump back and address
Speaker 1: the Simon Lewis of it all we saw for the
Speaker 1: first time and is too and it's so tough now
Speaker 1: because we've seen the show, we know what happens. See this,
Speaker 1: like sweet little Simon Lewis with his Glasses is just
Speaker 1: desperately in love with his best friend, and I know
Speaker 1: what happens to him. We all know what happens to him.
Speaker 1: And it's all I think of is that one scene
Speaker 1: that makes me cry, and you know what that is,
Speaker 1: and I'll bring it up when we get to that
Speaker 1: episode with his much. I think it's the most the
Speaker 1: most gorgeous thing. And I think we were so blessed
Speaker 1: to have Alberto get that role. And you know what,
Speaker 1: I knew Alberto was gonna get this role. And here's
Speaker 1: how I knew when I turned up, so you will
Speaker 1: remember this. But for the fans who haven't heard this
Speaker 1: story before, I was cast. First, thank you very much, um.
Speaker 1: And then I had to come in and read with
Speaker 1: the claries. And there was three rounds of claries. There
Speaker 1: was an initial person and then they didn't do she
Speaker 1: wasn't right. And then we found a new group of people.
Speaker 1: I think it was like six or seven of them
Speaker 1: audition with all of them, nobody was quite right. All
Speaker 1: very talented actors, but nobody was quite right. And then
Speaker 1: the last group and Cat obviously in that last group,
Speaker 1: and blew everyone away, and she was our clary. And
Speaker 1: that was the end of it. That day, they were
Speaker 1: also auditioning I want to say, the dizz Ease and
Speaker 1: the Simons and the Simons, and there were three potential
Speaker 1: Simons and they were, you know, sat in this room,
Speaker 1: and it's it's not a fun experience auditioning anyway, especially
Speaker 1: when they put you in a room and you can
Speaker 1: see the guys that you're auditioning with, like, oh, this
Speaker 1: guy is better looking at me, and so is this guy,
Speaker 1: and that's annoying and maybe I'm making the wrong choices
Speaker 1: or whatever. But Alberto was the only one wearing glasses,
Speaker 1: who was the only only actor who knew enough about
Speaker 1: Simon Lewis that he was wearing glasses, and he turned
Speaker 1: up wearing glasses, and I was like, that kid is
Speaker 1: going to get this role, and I hope this kid
Speaker 1: gets this role. I had a similar experience because I
Speaker 1: was in that whole round of That was our final
Speaker 1: screen test that you were at, but we had a
Speaker 1: few other kind of chemistry tests and and different producer
Speaker 1: rounds before that. And I remember walking in the first
Speaker 1: time and seeing the Dizzyase and seeing the Simons and
Speaker 1: the Clary's and I looked around the room and I
Speaker 1: saw Alberto and just in my head suddenly I went, well,
Speaker 1: there's Simon Lewis, because he just had the Simon entered.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we know Alberto now and how
Speaker 1: what how much work he does is and after and
Speaker 1: what an extensive, you know, amount of of prep he
Speaker 1: puts into things. But he just had the energy and
Speaker 1: the look and he was exactly on point, and you
Speaker 1: just knew. And he was the only other person who
Speaker 1: It was actually Taylor Mallory as well, that was in
Speaker 1: the audition room with all of us kind of checking
Speaker 1: everybody in, Yeah, who's now one of our writers, But
Speaker 1: at the time she was a writer's room assistant, and
Speaker 1: Alberto and myself and Taylor were the only three that
Speaker 1: were kind of talking about the books and bantering back
Speaker 1: and forth, and it just it made sense from that time.
Speaker 1: He was the guy. He was the guy from minute one.
Speaker 1: He was the guy. Did you know that Alberto and
Speaker 1: I kept a list of band names throughout the entire series?
Speaker 1: What did you should talk about this when oh the
Speaker 1: ones we actually used in the band? Well it started
Speaker 1: with that because in the books, Simon's Band goes through
Speaker 1: a whole list of names from Champagne Enema, which we
Speaker 1: see in this episode two Rocks, the horrendous band name
Speaker 1: by the way. Yeah. Well then rock Solid Panda, which
Speaker 1: everyone knows amazing, it's my favorite one. I celeb a
Speaker 1: T shirt. Oh of course, I wear it all the time.
Speaker 1: Everybody's like, oh, is that a band? I go, yes,
Speaker 1: it is. My friends bands fantastic. Also, lawn Chair Crisis
Speaker 1: is another one from the books, and there's a whole list,
Speaker 1: but we started coming up with them as well, and
Speaker 1: it all started with this first scene that we shot.
Speaker 1: It had to do with the Biscotti that disappeared into
Speaker 1: the paper. But Ambidextrous Biscotti was the first band name
Speaker 1: that was tough to say, Ambat ambat, Nope, say that
Speaker 1: three times fast indeed. And then we also very quickly
Speaker 1: get to see this sort of um first bit of
Speaker 1: magic foreshadowing as we see the Biscotti disappear, disappear. I
Speaker 1: never really understood why you had that ability. Well, we'll
Speaker 1: get into that in episode seven. We we do talk
Speaker 1: about well, now I know I know what illicit story wise,
Speaker 1: but I never really understood that you were the only
Speaker 1: shadow and too you could do it. And also we
Speaker 1: don't really make much use of it. Ever, there are
Speaker 1: so many opportunities where we could have been, like, let's
Speaker 1: smuggle this thing in in a playing card, let's or
Speaker 1: you know, let's crumple up a piece of paper that
Speaker 1: has an image of our swords on it and then
Speaker 1: just get there and have her pull out our swords.
Speaker 1: That'd be sick. It would have been really useful in
Speaker 1: the seely court or so many times. It would have
Speaker 1: been so useful, so many times. But let's get back
Speaker 1: to the episode. Okay. So now we are at a
Speaker 1: crime scene and we see the one and only Isaiah
Speaker 1: Mustafa as Luke get away with a woman on the ground.
Speaker 1: Her body has been drained of blood as we see,
Speaker 1: and his police dog is barking up a storm, well
Speaker 1: at least until he looks at it. Poor lady, poor
Speaker 1: dead lady on the super uncomfortable gravel man. Get that shot.
Speaker 1: The first shot of Isaiah is just so the most
Speaker 1: Isaiah shot. Isaiah maybe one of the most photogenic human
Speaker 1: beings alive. Like, there's no it's true there. I've seen
Speaker 1: so many photos of the group of us together and
Speaker 1: normally one of us look shitty, like there's a point
Speaker 1: where one of us looks like someone's not looking at
Speaker 1: the camera or like I got distracted. But it's normally me.
Speaker 1: But Isaiah always flawless. I've never seen him take a
Speaker 1: bad picture. Actually, that's actually quite irritating. I wish I
Speaker 1: want to see one. I want to see a bad
Speaker 1: photo of Isaiah. You know, I just don't exists. I
Speaker 1: don't think it exists. Look at him with this sexy
Speaker 1: toure grave and that this is something you'll and Aleric
Speaker 1: and Aleric Joel LaBelle, who plays Aleric Joel Bell is
Speaker 1: up there with some of the funniest men I've ever
Speaker 1: met in my entire life. He also the what you
Speaker 1: should know about Joel A. Bell is he's like a
Speaker 1: real life stuntman, but not on camera. He just he
Speaker 1: has a parachute and we'll climb buildings and jump off
Speaker 1: them because he's just literal psychopath. So you should come
Speaker 1: with me. One he has he does have a wingsuit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: my goodness. Yeah, what a looney tune. Oh and Vargas.
Speaker 1: We met Vargas as well, Yes, Detective Vargas played by
Speaker 1: Lisa Marcos, who also was so lovely, and we didn't
Speaker 1: get to see enough of on the show. We'll talk
Speaker 1: about why later. Now we're moving on to see Dot
Speaker 1: Dot for the very first time. Dot has a rough episode.
Speaker 1: Let's be fully honest, Poor Dot, Poor Vanessa. There's a
Speaker 1: lot that happens to her here and we're in the
Speaker 1: rewatch episode, so I'm gonna spoiler alert if you haven't
Speaker 1: seen it, but like she has thrown out window and
Speaker 1: she gets poisoned. It really doesn't set up the whole
Speaker 1: concept of, you know, shadow hunters protecting the good guys
Speaker 1: and foreshadowing. A lot of times we don't. We're not
Speaker 1: the best of our jobs sometimes m hm, but we try,
Speaker 1: we do our best. I loved this antique shop that
Speaker 1: we shot out. I always wanted to go back and
Speaker 1: actually look at what it was in its Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: actual iteration, how much it's allowed to be used of
Speaker 1: So this is obviously was a real antique shop. But
Speaker 1: they don't. I'm guessing they didn't strip everything out of it.
Speaker 1: They might have had to because it later on when
Speaker 1: with the rain Towers, they destroyed a lot of it. Interesting, interesting, Interesting,
Speaker 1: when the bad guys come through, they kind of because
Speaker 1: I know so like on other shows, and again you know,
Speaker 1: for any and all listeners who I don't know what
Speaker 1: it's like shooting on a location. There's two ways of
Speaker 1: shooting a TV show. You shoot in a studio and
Speaker 1: they custom build whatever it is inside of the studio.
Speaker 1: So the Institute is a good example. The Institute they
Speaker 1: had built from the ground up to be just the
Speaker 1: Shadow Hunters Institute. This obviously is on location, so it's
Speaker 1: a real functioning antique store. And there are times in
Speaker 1: which obviously not in this case, but there are times
Speaker 1: in where which a lot of whatever that antique story
Speaker 1: is is just the antique store. So we, for example,
Speaker 1: we just shot in the Plaza for Partner Track, and
Speaker 1: I don't think there's any world in which they're like, well,
Speaker 1: let's take out all of this stuff from the plaza
Speaker 1: and put in all of our stuff in you know,
Speaker 1: the middle of New York rush hour. That doesn't really happen.
Speaker 1: So a lot of the stuff that was there is
Speaker 1: just the accoutrement of the plaza. And I guess it's
Speaker 1: interesting because you know the other thing that I think
Speaker 1: audience members forget when when it comes to TV shows
Speaker 1: is the only actors who are there who see these
Speaker 1: places that the actors who are in the scene, we're
Speaker 1: never filming in that location, we never see this place.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of times that changes will be made
Speaker 1: on set. We get there and oh, the couch is
Speaker 1: in the wrong place, or like we're not allowed to
Speaker 1: move this, or we can't touch this, or we can't
Speaker 1: shoot this way because the light coming in the window
Speaker 1: or whatever it is. So they change things, you know,
Speaker 1: as they're going. So there are times when we cap
Speaker 1: me whoever will watch the scenes and go, oh, that
Speaker 1: is not how that was written and not how I
Speaker 1: expected that to be at all. As there's complete surprise,
Speaker 1: which I can only talk from my point of view.
Speaker 1: But normally that's quite nice because you're like, I'm watching
Speaker 1: this for the first time with everyone. I get to
Speaker 1: experience this for the first time. I know vaguely what
Speaker 1: the words are going to be, but the actual action
Speaker 1: of the whole thing is new to me, and that's
Speaker 1: really cool. That's why I always loved on our show
Speaker 1: that we did table reads for every episode, because you
Speaker 1: get to hear, especially for the Malik stuff and the
Speaker 1: storyline that you and I didn't quite get to be
Speaker 1: around all the time, and get to see being shot.
Speaker 1: We heard what the episode was in its first iteration
Speaker 1: and then got to watch it with the audience for
Speaker 1: the first time and to see kind of the arc
Speaker 1: of where it started and where it ended up. A
Speaker 1: little bit of magic for using about that. It is
Speaker 1: so similar to the fans. It's so similar to being
Speaker 1: a fan of the book and reading the book and
Speaker 1: not knowing what's going to be on screen and then
Speaker 1: seeing it happen on screen. You're right, the table reads
Speaker 1: is a very similar parallel to that. We missed stuff.
Speaker 1: We went off in a tangent again and we missed
Speaker 1: stuff we did. Poor Joscelyn is never going to get introduced.
Speaker 1: Now we we got this. So now we get to
Speaker 1: meet the one and only Jocelyn Fairshone Love for a Also,
Speaker 1: this apartment was actually above the antique store. It's one
Speaker 1: of the few sets that it exists as it actually
Speaker 1: did in life in our show. And the Stella, the
Speaker 1: wonderful gift that her mother gives. It's an heirloom, just
Speaker 1: just a just a general general heirloom. Clary. Of course,
Speaker 1: it's got a paper weight. It's the most useless paper
Speaker 1: weight they've seen one of life. Who makes a paper weight,
Speaker 1: a stick shape. Maybe the fair Child's do or the
Speaker 1: phrase in this point was evidently not. It's all. But
Speaker 1: this shot where I'm putting on the jacket for the
Speaker 1: first time was actually shot in the Jade Wolf. They
Speaker 1: put a mirror and hung a curtain because they needed
Speaker 1: that in between shot, so they shot it later on
Speaker 1: at the end of the season when we did all
Speaker 1: of the shots ten years ago. Okay, we are now
Speaker 1: in Jocelyn's flashback where Clary is just a little girl
Speaker 1: innocently playing in somebody of water in Central Park when
Speaker 1: a demon jumps out at her. Jocelyn saves Clary and
Speaker 1: rushes her to the home of Magnus Baine, the one
Speaker 1: and only Harry shim Jew here because she wants him
Speaker 1: to take away Clary's memories great parenting, solid parenting, a plush.
Speaker 1: You should write a book there. He is, I mean,
Speaker 1: Magnus Spain at his best, his best, that always I
Speaker 1: was always. It's so in awe of Harry and the
Speaker 1: way that he created from day one, Magnus movement in
Speaker 1: the magic, and the way it kind of adapted as
Speaker 1: the years went on. It couldn't have been done. I
Speaker 1: don't think one any better, and too, I don't think
Speaker 1: it could have been done by someone who wasn't such
Speaker 1: a talented dancer. You can see it in every motion
Speaker 1: he does in in even the even the minuscule movements
Speaker 1: are so immaculate. I think the only person who could
Speaker 1: have done that is it is an impeccable dancer, and
Speaker 1: Harry ticked that part. I think the only person who
Speaker 1: could have done that as Harry honestly, just the way
Speaker 1: that he thinks about things and what he adds to it.
Speaker 1: I also love when now we're watching the scene where
Speaker 1: Luke gives Clary spray paint and they have the third
Speaker 1: conversation that we see where they ago, hey, Clary, be careful.
Speaker 1: The world isn't safe. Something's going to happen to you,
Speaker 1: which you know you'd think if your kid was Potentially
Speaker 1: we take some risks on this show because also Luke's
Speaker 1: a cop, Like he's not just what we find out
Speaker 1: later on, but he's a cop. It would have been
Speaker 1: very easy for him to just be like, hey, guys,
Speaker 1: can you tell all this girl for the day around
Speaker 1: New York? Like New York's a crazy place anyway, but
Speaker 1: there's a high chance that she might get attacked. Could
Speaker 1: you please just follow this girl around? But ridd only
Speaker 1: this equally, So if he had done that, he's risking
Speaker 1: the cops seeing any kind of weird. Well, they wouldn't
Speaker 1: have seen it, though if they were human, they wouldn't
Speaker 1: have seen it, but they would have seen something. They
Speaker 1: would have seen you acting or weird. I suppose also
Speaker 1: the cops might have been in somewhat mortal danger. True,
Speaker 1: because the demons and such at that point really were
Speaker 1: very much disregarding human life in any in any way,
Speaker 1: shape or form, the kind of always do. To be honest,
Speaker 1: we never really reached a point where demons are like, oh,
Speaker 1: well this one go. You know, they all kind of suck.
Speaker 1: They just became more monsterly later, like season two on,
Speaker 1: they became more like creatures rather than demons that look
Speaker 1: like people. You know, they focused more on attacking other
Speaker 1: members of the down world as well. Unless the mundane
Speaker 1: is kind of faded into the background. Where was the church?
Speaker 1: I don't remember. I remember filming outside the church vividly,
Speaker 1: but I remember where it was, so I found it
Speaker 1: a couple of years later. I walked by because the
Speaker 1: camera store I used to go to to get my
Speaker 1: film developed was right across the street, and I remember
Speaker 1: turning around coming out of the film store and it
Speaker 1: was right there in front of me, like it just appeared.
Speaker 1: It really did, like it was de glamoured in front
Speaker 1: of my eyes. We have a lovely scene we meet
Speaker 1: Maureen where Simon and Clary are sitting on top of
Speaker 1: the what we liked to call the Panda van in
Speaker 1: the end of a sim band van that one, honestly
Speaker 1: for a van that would barely start and smelt like
Speaker 1: a petrol bomb. Did really we used that van in
Speaker 1: season three? I think like it's stuck it out we did.
Speaker 1: Somehow it lived a long life on the shadow set.
Speaker 1: All right, pop Evan, I'm assuming it's broken down by
Speaker 1: now eight years later. Probably it's on some other set
Speaker 1: having been repainted. Yeah, it really could be. Okay, So
Speaker 1: now we are at the part where Clary tells Simon
Speaker 1: and Maureen that her life couldn't be more mundane Freddie foreshadowing,
Speaker 1: and we find out that she really doesn't know that
Speaker 1: much about her family history. Maureen finds that pretty sketchy
Speaker 1: and says that Jocelyn must be hiding a deep, dark
Speaker 1: secret and look at that we cut to a shot
Speaker 1: of Jocelyn at home pulling out the world's biggest sword
Speaker 1: with the air and grace of a true shadow hunter.
Speaker 1: Look at those swords. The retractable swords were cool. So
Speaker 1: I remember talking about this. I asked McGee about this,
Speaker 1: because I can't remember. I think McGee it was McGee's
Speaker 1: idea to have them retract into the handle, and we
Speaker 1: were talking about what the what it's going to look like,
Speaker 1: and this is what we ended up going with. I
Speaker 1: think is really cool. And then obviously we changed the
Speaker 1: whole thing. Look my personal opinion, I think we can
Speaker 1: get a little more, a little more free with this.
Speaker 1: Like it's not it's they're not going to fire me
Speaker 1: from this show, you know what I mean. It's so
Speaker 1: we're done. Like I can. I think I can say
Speaker 1: whatever I want. I didn't like those sorts at all.
Speaker 1: They were a nightmare, and every time we would fight
Speaker 1: with them, a little bit would chip off and then
Speaker 1: they would grind them down again, so they look sharper.
Speaker 1: So if you watch over the course of the show,
Speaker 1: over these thirteen episodes, my sword ends up about and
Speaker 1: in shorter than it started. Because the only way to
Speaker 1: get that edge again. The only way to get that
Speaker 1: edge again was to grind it back down and get
Speaker 1: that get the little kinks out of it. So they
Speaker 1: would grind the sword back down and that takes the
Speaker 1: tip a little smaller every time. And they were fiberglass,
Speaker 1: weren't they. They were fiberglass with a flashlight in the hand,
Speaker 1: with a flashlight, and the flashlights kept dying. Gragile. They
Speaker 1: were so fragile. It was so fragile we couldn't actually
Speaker 1: have any impact when we were fighting with them. So
Speaker 1: you had to kind of remember the big ones used
Speaker 1: to fly off and because they would shatter at the
Speaker 1: handle and the blade would just fly off directly past
Speaker 1: your face. Yeah, that was the whole thing that was.
Speaker 1: And they're like, well, just be more careful. What do
Speaker 1: you mean, be more with the swords? What do you mean?
Speaker 1: This is just one of many things on our show
Speaker 1: that we had to learn and work out the kinks
Speaker 1: and figure out what. Yeah, but literally and figuratively speaking
Speaker 1: of rolling with punches, we are to the tracking shot
Speaker 1: that was McGee's brainchild. So far ahead of me, I'm
Speaker 1: at shirtless Simon. That's just where I keep it though.
Speaker 1: That's just that's I've put a bookmark in there. That's
Speaker 1: just where I go straight to shirtless Simon fun little
Speaker 1: bts of Alberto. He was it season two. He came
Speaker 1: back and was in the most incredible shape anyone's ever seen.
Speaker 1: And it was season two or two. Big. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: actually looked like a bodybuilder. He was in such good
Speaker 1: shape that they had to be like Hayman and they
Speaker 1: told him he was too big for a particular reason. Yes,
Speaker 1: he didn't look like Simon Lewis. That didn't look like
Speaker 1: Simon Lewis. He but he looked amazing. I mean, yes,
Speaker 1: I've never seen I mean that man was in such
Speaker 1: good shape muscles. It was crazy. Yes, And also Alberto
Speaker 1: is the kind of person. He's such an athlete. He
Speaker 1: can like sneeze at a at a dumbbell and suddenly
Speaker 1: he's in the best shape of his life. But also
Speaker 1: this is something I was so thrilled to be around
Speaker 1: all of you guys, because I had never really trained
Speaker 1: before in any sense of I mean, I've been a
Speaker 1: dancer my whole life, but I hadn't trained physically in
Speaker 1: a gym with weights, or done martial arts or anything
Speaker 1: like that. And so to be surrounded by all of
Speaker 1: you guys that were so motivated and worked so hard
Speaker 1: and kind of let you know, the little sister tag
Speaker 1: along to the gym. It was the only reason that
Speaker 1: I stayed so motivated, you and you guys. And no, no,
Speaker 1: and no, yeah, great, new to salis our personal trainer. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean we didn't really, we didn't really train in
Speaker 1: martial arts until season two. Season two is when we
Speaker 1: really started, like there was no chnique to what we
Speaker 1: were doing in season one and tool and again we
Speaker 1: will get into that later, So make sure you come
Speaker 1: back for episode fourteen. So much foreshadowing, so much foreshadowing. Listen,
Speaker 1: you've got to bring the people back. You've got to
Speaker 1: give them what they want. You're going to bring the
Speaker 1: people back. You're all coming back the shadows again and again.
Speaker 1: Oh poor Maureen, paor Maureen with her little looks to Simon.
Speaker 1: She loved Simon, She really did Simon again, I mean,
Speaker 1: how can you not love Simon? How can you not
Speaker 1: love Simon? I stand to reason that Clary made the
Speaker 1: wrong choice all the way through. Well, we'll debate that
Speaker 1: later on. We can debate that later. Yeah, and now
Speaker 1: we're repainting the van. Very quick paint. Quickest quickest spray
Speaker 1: painters I've ever seen in my entire life. You do
Speaker 1: and to sprays to total sprays. Yet the full name
Speaker 1: of it up there, The Angelic Rooon is up there,
Speaker 1: and also the name of the band in like fourteen
Speaker 1: different colors. And literally all you did was and shoulder
Speaker 1: check once again. Yeah, way I got business, lady. I
Speaker 1: do love the pun of Pandemonium with the flashing in
Speaker 1: the middle. I want't know whose idea that was. It's
Speaker 1: in this a lot, it's in I just rewatched it
Speaker 1: yesterday and it's it's it's not so much a subtle
Speaker 1: hint as it is like, this is what our shows about,
Speaker 1: and it's pretty constant. Demon here, Demon demon Demon, Watch out,
Speaker 1: demon demon Demon. It's also a very on the street
Speaker 1: outside of club in New York interaction of would you
Speaker 1: watch where you're going? Does that actually work? Kidding me? All?
Speaker 1: Very very New York I fun bts here. I think
Speaker 1: I ended up getting banned from this bar after we
Speaker 1: finished filming. There was this one of them. You know,
Speaker 1: I didn't know if you wanted to talk about. I
Speaker 1: know we got asked to leave once for a silly
Speaker 1: reason though it was such a guy was rude. He
Speaker 1: we were playing pool and he kept taking the triangle
Speaker 1: away from us, which, for anyone who doesn't know what
Speaker 1: Paul is, it's a triangle shaped piece of plastic that
Speaker 1: you arranged the balls in at the beginning. And he
Speaker 1: kept taking it away from us, and I was, I
Speaker 1: do We're playing pool and we need that, and eventually
Speaker 1: put it behind the bar, like I'm seven years old.
Speaker 1: So I popped over the bar and I grabbed it,
Speaker 1: and he was not a fan of that, and before
Speaker 1: we knew it out we went. It was like fresh
Speaker 1: Prince of bel Air by like the back of my
Speaker 1: trousers and the scrub of my neck out of the door. Cool.
Speaker 1: I guess we're not coming back here. I mean I
Speaker 1: think we still went back after the film there, which
Speaker 1: was very funny. Did we go? I think we did
Speaker 1: one more time. I don't remember. It was all a blur,
Speaker 1: but I remember that bar was always it sort of
Speaker 1: looks like this. It looks exactly like, yeah, yeah, let's facelicks.
Speaker 1: Oh Albert got his face licked this day. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: feel like we should talk about that with Alberto. We
Speaker 1: should or with mcg because did that to people faally
Speaker 1: did surprised people? Yeah? McGee licked zero faces as far
Speaker 1: as I'm aware, did we. Ever, I'm trying to remember
Speaker 1: what the Mundane blood was for. What was the purpose?
Speaker 1: I think it was just for tests, isn't it because
Speaker 1: he was trying to turn. The whole thing is he's
Speaker 1: trying to turn Mundanes and shadow Hunters. Draining Mundanes of
Speaker 1: blood and testing that blood, I think just experimentation in general.
Speaker 1: Supplies he's low and supplies. Amazon's Adam and Dane blood. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I gotta get somewhere. Awards Amazon's like four night and
Speaker 1: nine for two day delivery, No, thank you, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: get my own. They don't deliver to Chernobyl. They don't,
Speaker 1: I would imagine. I would imagine they don't deliver to Chernobyl.
Speaker 1: There's a bunch of things that we didn't really end
Speaker 1: up putting in the show because there's so much like
Speaker 1: fight scenes and like these shots that take on a
Speaker 1: really long time. But like the fact that we never
Speaker 1: catered for the fact that like shadow Hunters are immune
Speaker 1: to radiation. That was a big one. Just like why
Speaker 1: is he in Chronobyl? That's how is he not debt
Speaker 1: that's insane, just like shadow answers are fine, I don't
Speaker 1: worry about it. Also, wouldn't the mundane blood be irradiated
Speaker 1: and therefore no longer a control substance for this experiment
Speaker 1: that he's running. The only like if it was ever
Speaker 1: a success and he turned and he amalgamated angel blood
Speaker 1: and human blood, the only reason, or potentially one of
Speaker 1: the reasons for that would be the fact that it
Speaker 1: was irradiated. Maybe that's why the experiments didn't work. Maybe
Speaker 1: that's the one that was the thing that he never
Speaker 1: was into account activity that he didn't need. Fun Note
Speaker 1: here we're at the scene where I come up behind
Speaker 1: the demon lady in the pink dress, and she's really tall,
Speaker 1: and she was taller than me or she I think
Speaker 1: she was about my height. So when you come into
Speaker 1: the heels they put and then they put her on heels,
Speaker 1: so when you come into the scene, you link arms
Speaker 1: with bodybuild a guy and I walk up to and
Speaker 1: you can see that the height is off. And then
Speaker 1: they had a take off her heels and she's about
Speaker 1: four inches shorter, so it was too small. Funny, I
Speaker 1: never knew that I noticed it yesterday and I remember
Speaker 1: it sort of. It harkered back these feelings to me
Speaker 1: of how like my first day doing my first big
Speaker 1: fight scene of anything I've ever done in my career,
Speaker 1: and I was like, this is embarrassing. This is an
Speaker 1: embarrassing way to start this, and they're gonna have to
Speaker 1: ask the girl to like bend a kny so I
Speaker 1: don't look so fucking short. You think they could do
Speaker 1: something with the camera, But that's think they made it work.
Speaker 1: Remember doing that, You remember doing the police thing, the
Speaker 1: slide across the floor for three hours? Yeah? Yeah, that
Speaker 1: was the first time I've ever done a pull stunt
Speaker 1: like that. You know. It's it's I think back to
Speaker 1: this and it's so interesting to see and remember what
Speaker 1: it was like to shoot these fight scenes when we
Speaker 1: hadn't It wasn't wrote for us, It wasn't a normal oppeurrence.
Speaker 1: This is the thing that people don't realize about fight
Speaker 1: scenes very often, is that you do them again and
Speaker 1: again and again and again and again, same as you
Speaker 1: do every scene in the show or a movie or whatever.
Speaker 1: You just keep doing them over and over and the
Speaker 1: adrenaline is going wash you're filming them, which is great,
Speaker 1: and you can just kind of power through whatever it is.
Speaker 1: You know, obviously nobody wants to get injured. But I
Speaker 1: remember Darren telling us once that, like, you, we will
Speaker 1: take care of you if you're injured, but like, don't
Speaker 1: come to me every time you get a bruise or
Speaker 1: a graze on your knuckles. And I'm like, fair enough, cool.
Speaker 1: If you want to do your own stunts, you've got
Speaker 1: to you know, you've got to suck it up every
Speaker 1: now and then, Yeah, it's the next day. The next day.
Speaker 1: That's rough because every you know, winning your head every
Speaker 1: time you get hit, and it feels like you've got whiplash,
Speaker 1: like all down your back and your neck and your arms.
Speaker 1: Everything hurts, everything hurts. And then when we moved to
Speaker 1: the heavier swords, the real the good swords. Those were
Speaker 1: heavy and it wasn't heavy to hold them necessarily, but
Speaker 1: the impact when someone hit your sword, that would vibrate
Speaker 1: down into your arms, so your forearms would hurt and
Speaker 1: your fingers would hurts, like you're rock climbing. And I
Speaker 1: think people don't. People don't. I mean, there's no way
Speaker 1: they could know unless they've done one of these scenes.
Speaker 1: There's no way that they could know that. It's exhausting,
Speaker 1: absolutely exhausting. And my favorite fight scenes that we did
Speaker 1: are the ones like where we were all together, the
Speaker 1: ones that I did on my own word. They were fun,
Speaker 1: you know, I really enjoyed them, and you know, with
Speaker 1: a stunt person, but like these stunt people are in
Speaker 1: such amazing shape that they're like and I'm fine enough,
Speaker 1: felt fine the next day, and I'm like, I need normal,
Speaker 1: non superhuman beings to do these fight scenes with so
Speaker 1: I can complain to someone the next day that I'm
Speaker 1: in pain. You know that was Yes, it does feel
Speaker 1: a bit like you've been hit by a mack truck
Speaker 1: the next day. But it's the best feeling, you know,
Speaker 1: because you know you've you've put all of yourself and
Speaker 1: your blood, sweat and tears out into that scene and
Speaker 1: just you kind of leave it all out on the stadio,
Speaker 1: does it were? And you know, it's such a gratifying
Speaker 1: feeling because you wake up the next day and you're like,
Speaker 1: I can't turn off my alarm, I can't get out
Speaker 1: of bed. If I agree with that, But what we did,
Speaker 1: I mean, ideah, there's a huge sense of achievement. But
Speaker 1: I feel it's you have had a sneaky hangover? Do
Speaker 1: you know a sneaky hangovers? I have not had a
Speaker 1: sneak had a sneaky hangover. Sneaky hangover when it's a
Speaker 1: very sneaky hangover where you either there's two ways of
Speaker 1: getting one. One you black out completely and you don't
Speaker 1: remember the rest of the night, and then you wake
Speaker 1: up and Ben you're like, oh, I'm fine, and then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden you're like, oh my god, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not. Or you you didn't drink as much as
Speaker 1: you thought you didn't. You were like, I was fine
Speaker 1: when I got home, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: you're not. That's what it feels like to me in
Speaker 1: the morning is after these fight scenes, you wake up
Speaker 1: and you're like, I'm fine. I know every part my
Speaker 1: body hurts. What's going on? They're like sneaky hangovers? No,
Speaker 1: I never experienced that. That's kind of it's hysterical. We'll
Speaker 1: do it, we'll do it soon. Okay, So this is fun.
Speaker 1: So we are still in the Pandemonium Club and Clary
Speaker 1: has found herself in the middle of a fight between
Speaker 1: shadow Hunters and between demons, and she is looking very
Speaker 1: angsty at a glow in the dark sword about to
Speaker 1: have someone rammed onto it. Oh my goodness, how many
Speaker 1: hours did we spend talking about the logistics of this
Speaker 1: one moment where Clary picks up the steward, When does
Speaker 1: the sword extent? Because again, we didn't know the rules yet.
Speaker 1: You know, by the end of the show we all
Speaker 1: knew exactly how the swords worked, exactly how fight seems worked,
Speaker 1: what the rules were, how demons disappeared. But at this
Speaker 1: point this is the first one. Was the first one,
Speaker 1: the first demon we killed, isn't it? Oh? No, I
Speaker 1: killed killed the pretty lady in the pink dress. I
Speaker 1: think I killed her already. In fact, I know I
Speaker 1: did because I get her as I push you away,
Speaker 1: so I know that. But there's the thing I thought
Speaker 1: was so interesting about this was the logistics of like
Speaker 1: free Form and Netflix, what was allowed to be seen
Speaker 1: on camera because they had they had an issue with
Speaker 1: a sword penetrating through a body of something that looks human,
Speaker 1: because we're allowed to do it to demons. From the beginning,
Speaker 1: we were allowed to do it to demons, were allowed
Speaker 1: to put a sword through anything that wasn't I don't
Speaker 1: know if anything that wasn't human is correct, because I
Speaker 1: can't imagine we'd be allowed to do it to like
Speaker 1: an animal or a pet or whatever. That wouldn't be
Speaker 1: very nice, but anything, but if it looked like a monster, correct,
Speaker 1: we were allowed to do it. And we were like, well,
Speaker 1: these guys are monsters and they're like, but they look
Speaker 1: like humans, so are we allowed to do it? And
Speaker 1: we didn't know. We didn't know until we saw it
Speaker 1: and we were like, oh, yep, there it is out
Speaker 1: of the back of this guy right. Well, because that
Speaker 1: was the whole debate is we can see the sword
Speaker 1: go in, but we can't see it go out the
Speaker 1: other side's back and was going but we have to
Speaker 1: we have to see it. It has to be this moment.
Speaker 1: And then but didn't they solve it by him dissolving
Speaker 1: before as as the sword went through he turned to
Speaker 1: dust I think I think that was the loophole. That's interesting,
Speaker 1: that's very interesting. I could be wrong, but I believe
Speaker 1: that we'll have to ask. I have a pet peeve
Speaker 1: about how what happens to Jason in I very nearly
Speaker 1: said it spoiler alert. I'm not going to spoil anything.
Speaker 1: But also I might end of season two. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: have a pet peeve about what happened there because in
Speaker 1: the script it was very different, and I wonder if
Speaker 1: that was the reason. Oh my gosh, you could be
Speaker 1: because it was supposed to my you know, I wonder.
Speaker 1: But all of that, none of that's interesting On a
Speaker 1: podcast where you can't see what we're doing, that's interesting too.
Speaker 1: We're going to get foreshadowing foreshadow and bring the thing
Speaker 1: that the thing and the guy and the person in
Speaker 1: the place and the rock, remember the rock, the bouncy rock.
Speaker 1: It's all going to make sense. We're not talking about
Speaker 1: the bouncy rocket. We're back to blue Eyed demon man untangenting,
Speaker 1: back to our main course of discussion. But that that's
Speaker 1: what it was. We had so much time that we
Speaker 1: had to go, Okay, does the sword extend as soon
Speaker 1: as I pick it up? Does it take a minute?
Speaker 1: Do I have to do something to it for it
Speaker 1: to activate without knowing it? And in the end I
Speaker 1: think the decision was made that it's because it senses
Speaker 1: the shadow Hunter to DNA, Yeah, just touching it and
Speaker 1: then it extends and then comes go on, ask me
Speaker 1: a question, Well, my question for you in this particular
Speaker 1: instance which I never I never knew because I was
Speaker 1: so focused on, you know, hitting the mark and making
Speaker 1: sure the sword is in the right place. Did Jason
Speaker 1: see the sword and put the demon on the sword
Speaker 1: on purpose? Or was it a oh I'm turning this
Speaker 1: way and there's the know it was it was intentional.
Speaker 1: That was the plan, and I think, let me see.
Speaker 1: I think you see it because he tries to. I
Speaker 1: tried to take it off you and then get grabbed
Speaker 1: and then lots of fighting. Cool, really cool moment. One
Speaker 1: of my favorite moments of this fight scene is the
Speaker 1: sword toss between Alec and Jace. You guys came up
Speaker 1: with that, didn't you actually think it was Alex? Alex,
Speaker 1: I think it was Matt's idea. It was Mad's idea
Speaker 1: because you were trying to establish the Parabatite bond. Yeah,
Speaker 1: pre even mentioning what that. I don't think we mentioned
Speaker 1: that bond until like episode four or five. It doesn't
Speaker 1: come up until much later. But we knew what it was,
Speaker 1: and we knew that that's the relationship that they have,
Speaker 1: and then in fact, when we spoke about it, it it
Speaker 1: was going to be unspoken. It was going to be
Speaker 1: the fact that he could feel that I was in
Speaker 1: trouble and we rehearsed it for a long time that
Speaker 1: he just threw and I caught it without even looking
Speaker 1: at it because we know what each other are doing
Speaker 1: at all times. And he tossed, grabbed that the thing,
Speaker 1: threw it back and that took some real work, but
Speaker 1: this was a cool moment for us. This was a
Speaker 1: cool like, you know, we know where these characters are
Speaker 1: going to go, we know who they are, we know
Speaker 1: who they are to each other, so let us And
Speaker 1: that's a big difference between us where we are as
Speaker 1: established shadow answers and how you came into this world.
Speaker 1: You didn't really have those relationships initially, you know, you
Speaker 1: didn't have those where it's like I know how I
Speaker 1: feel about this person, I know how this is and
Speaker 1: how this is. You developed clearly developed those relationships. Whereas
Speaker 1: with us, which was quite interesting, is they sort of
Speaker 1: thrust us in with like two weeks of knowing each
Speaker 1: other and they're like you three best friends. You don't
Speaker 1: like her images going to come in later on. Not
Speaker 1: a huge fan, but question mark, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: There was all of these things that had to had
Speaker 1: to just sort of exist. And again, you know, the
Speaker 1: credit to having a cast like this, It just fell
Speaker 1: into place. You know, it's it is just something that
Speaker 1: has existed within us for it or it felt like
Speaker 1: it did because it had existed within us for however long,
Speaker 1: which was really lovely. It was a really nice thing
Speaker 1: to do. Absolutely, and I had a similar experience with
Speaker 1: Alberto and Isaiah, you know, having you know, those are
Speaker 1: the two relationships of the series regular cast that Clary
Speaker 1: has had for most of, if not her whole life.
Speaker 1: And it's something that Alberto and I used to do.
Speaker 1: At the beginning of a scene where we were talking
Speaker 1: about a memory, we would kind of create that for
Speaker 1: the two of us and figure out exactly what that
Speaker 1: was so that you know, when we mentioned in the
Speaker 1: scene or we you know, we spent so long talking
Speaker 1: about what their childhood was like and the things that
Speaker 1: they used to do together and trying to create as
Speaker 1: many memories, or at least mutual ideas of memories as
Speaker 1: we could during that time. And I think Isaiah just
Speaker 1: became dad to all of us very quickly, just by
Speaker 1: nature of who he is, Yeah, very very quickly. And
Speaker 1: the double kill. I love the double kill at the
Speaker 1: double pair of a tide kill. The double kill was
Speaker 1: very cool. I also find it interesting Clary just runs
Speaker 1: away from the scene of having people killed. Someone. Wouldn't
Speaker 1: you just high tail it? That's what I would do.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, there's all this chaos going on, and
Speaker 1: also there's got to be a strange feeling to like
Speaker 1: eight dead people and then going out and everyone's just
Speaker 1: boogying still, you know what I mean, Like nobody heard
Speaker 1: any of this going on. Nobody heard It's just like
Speaker 1: just death everywhere, and then everyone is just good. I mean,
Speaker 1: Clary kind of goes through it from this point till
Speaker 1: the end of this episode. For the first few episodes,
Speaker 1: I realized as I was rewatching from from following Jay's
Speaker 1: following the hot guy into the bar. Everything, it's always
Speaker 1: a mistake. So that was a very cute little compliment
Speaker 1: you through in there, and thank you very much. That
Speaker 1: was a nice stroking of my ego. And I appreciate that.
Speaker 1: Thank you. You're welcome. That's what I'm here for. Thank you,
Speaker 1: thank you very much. But then you know, on top
Speaker 1: of eight dead people, maybe I just killed a guy
Speaker 1: bump into you know, club owner or who I would
Speaker 1: assume to be the guy who's running this place and
Speaker 1: have a strange flashback of of totally magic moment and
Speaker 1: weird memories that are starting to come back. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: a lot going on. Poor Clary has got a lot
Speaker 1: going on. And I just ditched Simon. Yeah rude, super rude.
Speaker 1: For sure. Best friends should have been like, hey man,
Speaker 1: there's some weird stuff going on in here. We should
Speaker 1: just we should dip leave the apple Teeny's let's just
Speaker 1: let's boo boo, let's go. But you know, maybe maybe
Speaker 1: it was her way of setting up Simon and Maureen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. That seems like a bit of a stretch,
Speaker 1: but sure a little bit. I have an issue with
Speaker 1: this scene as well, with Jocelyn in the apartment. Right. So,
Speaker 1: now we're back at the Fray House and Clary is
Speaker 1: naturally pretty upset by what just happened at the club
Speaker 1: and is trying to recount it to Joscelyn while still
Speaker 1: being in a little bit of shock. Surely, but just
Speaker 1: as Jocelyn starts to realize that she probably should tell
Speaker 1: her daughter what the heck is going on in this world,
Speaker 1: she's interrupted by Circle members attack in the house bastards.
Speaker 1: If she's been preparing for this potential eventuality for eighteen
Speaker 1: years and then there's all of a sudden panics and
Speaker 1: just going to throw you through a portal that you
Speaker 1: didn't know existed. Don't you see? She couldn't have written
Speaker 1: like a letter or something like an emergency like, here's
Speaker 1: the deal, this is what's going on. This is like
Speaker 1: the emergency letter for when something like this goes down,
Speaker 1: you get pushed the report or two quasi safety. Open
Speaker 1: this letter and go, oh, this is mental. But at
Speaker 1: least I vaguely know what's going on. I know where
Speaker 1: to be somewhat safe, even just the address of the institute.
Speaker 1: Go to the institute maybe, But to what if someone
Speaker 1: had found that letter? You know, there's so many things
Speaker 1: that they had to to prepare for and be ready
Speaker 1: for and think about so many eventualities that I think
Speaker 1: having done nothing was a bit it was. We're not
Speaker 1: we don't play shadow Hunters are not planets in general.
Speaker 1: We are not good planners. We I don't think I
Speaker 1: can't think of a single time that we in four
Speaker 1: years of filming this show that we made a plan
Speaker 1: and it worked. Demon cannons, but did they didn't they
Speaker 1: all the towers came down. You know, we'll we'll discover it.
Speaker 1: If there was plan, people find it in this watch
Speaker 1: people who are listening to this podcast. I would like
Speaker 1: you to listen and then tweet us if you think
Speaker 1: we ever made a plan and it worked, because I
Speaker 1: can't think of one. Maybe I mean little plans like
Speaker 1: stealing the motorcycle worked. Here they go. You gotta give
Speaker 1: us a little credit. It would everything else just went
Speaker 1: up in flames, everything else. But we do have in
Speaker 1: this scene our very first portal we do. Thank god,
Speaker 1: I remember doing this. Thank God. You know, it's kind
Speaker 1: of it matches the portal shard, you know, we can
Speaker 1: get into it. It's so wild doing these things kind
Speaker 1: of in a vacuum, as we did a lot through
Speaker 1: this first season. We didn't know what the portals were
Speaker 1: going to look like. We had no idea what this
Speaker 1: was going to be in the end. Here look bedrooms
Speaker 1: on fire. So this I wanted to talk about because
Speaker 1: I remember being on set that day when they were
Speaker 1: setting the bedroom on fire, and so basically what they
Speaker 1: had done. For those who haven't seen the show, there's
Speaker 1: a scene in which Jocelyn decides she's going to destroy
Speaker 1: every evidence of Clary so she can't be tracked, and
Speaker 1: sets the apartment on fire. As you do. They built
Speaker 1: they built a set of the bedroom outside outside of
Speaker 1: our sound stage in the parking lot and set up
Speaker 1: the cameras, put everything in there, and then literally set
Speaker 1: it on fire. And the crew was so excited because
Speaker 1: you never get to do things like this. It's kind
Speaker 1: of you know, it's it's we always try and preserve things,
Speaker 1: and we do things. We make fake fire that can
Speaker 1: be put out within a few moments, or you know,
Speaker 1: a small explosion that's controlled and then expanded upon by
Speaker 1: visual effects later. This was a real live fire on
Speaker 1: our set and they just set the cameras in their
Speaker 1: press record and walked away, and it, I mean, thank
Speaker 1: goodness they captured the footage, but didn't they melt the
Speaker 1: cameras front of the Yeah, it was like a camera
Speaker 1: and the lens melted. So the interesting thing with cameras,
Speaker 1: and you get to learn more about this when you're
Speaker 1: on a set a camera, it's not it's it's a
Speaker 1: bunch of very intricate pieces that come together and you
Speaker 1: sort of amalgama like the actual body of the camera's
Speaker 1: only about this big, and then the lens is also
Speaker 1: that big, and then all of the different you know,
Speaker 1: bits and bobs that go on top of it. And yeah,
Speaker 1: I think the lens. I think the fort all the
Speaker 1: lens melted. And that's why we have insurance on set.
Speaker 1: But before we get to that, we are back in
Speaker 1: the police station where we see Clary and Vargas kind
Speaker 1: of having a little conversation. Yes, Clary portals into the
Speaker 1: police station correct at the behest of Jocelyn screaming, where
Speaker 1: is Luke at the police station push into a portal.
Speaker 1: We find out later that's because you have to know
Speaker 1: where you're going when you go into a portal, otherwise
Speaker 1: you end up in limbo. It's very dangerous. You want
Speaker 1: to be in limbo. But you know, Jocelyn has a
Speaker 1: lot of trust in Clary. Jocelyn and Dot have a
Speaker 1: lot of trust in Clary's inherent instinct and inherent shadow
Speaker 1: hunter blood. But there is there is that's sort of
Speaker 1: the point of who of like we were born into
Speaker 1: this world and a lot of it is that sort
Speaker 1: of that lion cub instinct of you. You will learn
Speaker 1: to fight, or you'll learn to run or you'll learn
Speaker 1: to jump or or whatever it is. Oh, and then
Speaker 1: this is something I always I'm always reminded of. We're
Speaker 1: back to Clary at the police station and she sees
Speaker 1: Luke interviewing. What we learned later are two circle members,
Speaker 1: but at this point it seems as though he's aligning
Speaker 1: with them, and that that sort of do I actually
Speaker 1: always read this or saw this scene as it's worse
Speaker 1: than aligning with them. He is announcing his own faction,
Speaker 1: because doesn't he say, I don't care about those two
Speaker 1: And if we find the cup, it's my people want it.
Speaker 1: It's not it's not for you, it's for us. We
Speaker 1: are people wanted to Or is that later maybe al
Speaker 1: Eric says it. I can't remember. I can't remember exactly,
Speaker 1: but either way, it sounds like another faction exactly. But
Speaker 1: at any rate, it's Clary's one saving grace. It's that
Speaker 1: was the one thing Johnson said is find Luke. Luke
Speaker 1: is the only person you can trust. And immediately that's
Speaker 1: also taken away from her. I remember doing this run
Speaker 1: down the stairs in the pouring rain, the rain towers,
Speaker 1: which I don't know a lot of people may not
Speaker 1: know a lot of the viewers may not know on set.
Speaker 1: Whenever it's raining very heavily in a scene, we're not
Speaker 1: always lucky enough to get real rain. In fact, even
Speaker 1: when we do, normally they'll use rain towers to keep
Speaker 1: it consistent. Indeed, so they bring in these things called
Speaker 1: rain towers where they pump hundreds and hundreds and hundreds
Speaker 1: of gallons of water pouring out onto us, and they
Speaker 1: do heat it to begin with, but it's usually no
Speaker 1: longer by the time it comes out. But I remember
Speaker 1: looking at that giant staircase at the police station, which
Speaker 1: we shot at again later, so you know the staircase
Speaker 1: I'm talking about, and goes, yeah, just just sprint down
Speaker 1: these stairs and in the rain, I'm going, okay, I'm
Speaker 1: wearing five in sheels, sprint down these stairs. And you
Speaker 1: know how clumsy I am dumb, So I'm just hoping
Speaker 1: I don't take a tumble. And I think we only
Speaker 1: did one take because I made it down the stairs
Speaker 1: and not worth the risk of you falling downtake to like,
Speaker 1: we got it. That's good. Let's not put her through
Speaker 1: that again. Not an episode one, we don't We don't
Speaker 1: know this claring episode one. You don't want anyone to
Speaker 1: get injured in the first couple episodes, unless you're me.
Speaker 1: We'll have to talk about that when we get to
Speaker 1: that episode, because you had you had a bit of
Speaker 1: a day. I'm excited to see it, though, because I
Speaker 1: have not the injury, obviously, because I don't even think
Speaker 1: that made it on camera, although maybe it didn't. But
Speaker 1: I'm interested to see then moving on because I know
Speaker 1: how I dealt with it as I just didn't walk around,
Speaker 1: I just didn't move. So I'm really interested to see
Speaker 1: this like stagnation of of Jace all of a sudden.
Speaker 1: But now we're back at Chernobyl, and I mean early.
Speaker 1: Alan van Sprang had so much fun with this role
Speaker 1: playing Valentine. And I remember I was a fan of Rain,
Speaker 1: which was the show he was on previously playing another
Speaker 1: evil Dad, and when I heard Alan van Sprang was
Speaker 1: coming on to play Valentine, I most definitely fan girled
Speaker 1: a little bit. Was very excited because I knew how
Speaker 1: much of a good bad guy here and he's and
Speaker 1: you just see him relishing and living in these moments.
Speaker 1: And he's also he's a softy Alan. It doesn't look
Speaker 1: like a soft just a big softy bless her. But
Speaker 1: he does do bad guy good he does. It wasn't
Speaker 1: all of this kind of equipment and pipes and Chernobyl,
Speaker 1: the Chernobyl essence. Wasn't that existing in our sound stage already? Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is just what the back room. Yeah, I know
Speaker 1: what it is. You know what it is? Did we
Speaker 1: figure out what it was? No? I heard about seven.
Speaker 1: So our studio was a converted something. It was not
Speaker 1: a traditional sound stage. And I heard probably seventeen stories
Speaker 1: throughout the four years of what it actually was because
Speaker 1: there was there was all this equipment in there and
Speaker 1: all these strange sellers in this white dust that was
Speaker 1: sometimes just everywhere. It was grim. Season two, they went
Speaker 1: in and really cleaned it out. But like god, we
Speaker 1: made masks called before, like we had half the crew
Speaker 1: wearing masks because it was it was just gross in there.
Speaker 1: It was really grim. It was a box factory. It
Speaker 1: was they made box they made plastic boxes. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was a box. And then they took out they tore
Speaker 1: out all the equipment. So the reason we had to
Speaker 1: do that is because Toronto is such a popular area
Speaker 1: to film that there were no sound stages. There were
Speaker 1: no studios, so we couldn't we couldn't find anywhere. So
Speaker 1: what they well, this is what I heard. This is
Speaker 1: all they could do was find a space that was
Speaker 1: physically big enough to put in all of the equipment
Speaker 1: that we needed to put in and then buy it.
Speaker 1: And that's what they did and converted it and then
Speaker 1: season two we came back and it was beautiful. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think in the end we were really lucky because
Speaker 1: a lot of you know, dumb. You and I have
Speaker 1: both worked on a lot of studio lots at this point.
Speaker 1: And when you have work on a traditional lot, you know,
Speaker 1: your production office where all of the logistics are is
Speaker 1: usually on one end, and then you have multiple sound
Speaker 1: stages that you kind of have to run in between,
Speaker 1: and it takes a while to to get things done.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of time in between and that it
Speaker 1: takes to shift sets and move cameras. We had a home,
Speaker 1: and you're sharing space with other shows. Sometimes we had
Speaker 1: a space that was entirely our own that we could
Speaker 1: use the inside, the outside, the seller, the basement, the roof,
Speaker 1: the production office we used sometimes, I mean we used
Speaker 1: every single bit of that space, and we could use
Speaker 1: any of it at any time because it was ours
Speaker 1: and having that home was so wonderful. We really were
Speaker 1: able to kind of take ownership of that space and
Speaker 1: customize it, including having Stom. So much of New York
Speaker 1: is in the in or around that building, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, like everywhere, Like Magnus is not what
Speaker 1: both the Vampire Bar and Magnus's Bar outside outside that,
Speaker 1: in the backgroom in the back corner, you know, then
Speaker 1: the boathouse, the Jade Wolf, the Jade Wolf entrance, all
Speaker 1: of it, the Hunter's Moon, all of it. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: roof of Hotel de more So this scene again Clary drenched,
Speaker 1: more rain towers, more running in. This scene was my
Speaker 1: first scene ever working with rain towers, and they had
Speaker 1: to take some time to kind of destroy the apartment,
Speaker 1: and it was one of my first experiences on set
Speaker 1: where you know, McGee kind of came over to me
Speaker 1: and goes, I really need you to fall apart here
Speaker 1: because this is and he kind of talked me through
Speaker 1: it in the way that you know McGee does kind
Speaker 1: of sets the tone and sets the scene for you
Speaker 1: and in the wonderful way that our crew does. As
Speaker 1: you and I both experienced later on. They give you
Speaker 1: your space, and they give you the time while they're
Speaker 1: doing their thing. They let us go find a quiet
Speaker 1: corner and we you know, it's those moments of magic
Speaker 1: where we can kind of create as a team and
Speaker 1: and they give you your space and they create the
Speaker 1: environment and then just let you play. And that's something
Speaker 1: I always loved about our set is is our crew
Speaker 1: was able to create such wonderful, creative, safe spaces for
Speaker 1: us to to dive in and do our thing. Whether
Speaker 1: it was fighting or emotional or relationship or whatever it was.
Speaker 1: It was you know, hard work, cold work, but ultimately
Speaker 1: came out really well. And I think we shot this
Speaker 1: scene with Dot in the apartment another night because they
Speaker 1: had to spray me down again with a power there.
Speaker 1: I wasn't there for raintower day, but you were there
Speaker 1: for this day with Dot. Now that we're in the apartment, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: of course, yeah, I'm in the scene. Well, we shot
Speaker 1: in the apartment over the course of a few days,
Speaker 1: so I didn't know if we did this over two
Speaker 1: super nights or not. I couldn't remember. Oh man, Clay
Speaker 1: needs to remember to wear waterproof mascara. I'll just say
Speaker 1: that next time it looks good though, you know, little
Speaker 1: little little Misty looks good. It's a good look. What
Speaker 1: was this Hubert in the first episode. I kind of
Speaker 1: think it was. I think this is one of our
Speaker 1: Hugh was one of our favorite stunt guys that we
Speaker 1: brought back again and again and again. He's really big,
Speaker 1: very very strong, very powerful guy. And he got injured,
Speaker 1: didn't he not on our show. He got injured on
Speaker 1: something else and had to take a break for like
Speaker 1: a year and a half, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: was just back in season two and we're like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, Hubert, welcome back. But he's another incredible stunt
Speaker 1: man and also choreographed a few of our fights later
Speaker 1: on as well when we had oh so many. But
Speaker 1: it's just another great member of the team that became
Speaker 1: kind of a resident stunt player and coordinator on our
Speaker 1: show for sure. You know, this shot after you pass
Speaker 1: out is is interesting because it's this is this is
Speaker 1: one of the great things about McGee, you know, It's
Speaker 1: it's just one of those like he's just like, do this.
Speaker 1: I want you to pick her up, and I want
Speaker 1: you to walk on this line towards me, and you
Speaker 1: don't really know, or I didn't really know exactly what
Speaker 1: was being captured, what was being filmed, and then you
Speaker 1: see the scene and you're like, oh my god, it's amazing,
Speaker 1: Like it's this iconic like shot of you know, Jason
Speaker 1: taking clarity to her future. That's really amazing. But mc
Speaker 1: Jesus has these these eyes for things. He sees, he
Speaker 1: sees it happen, and that everything that we need to
Speaker 1: know about the relationship is sort of happening here, like
Speaker 1: they have each other, they will be with each other
Speaker 1: in this new world and that's where he's taking her,
Speaker 1: and I think that's really cool, and it's the whole scope.
Speaker 1: This scene is so sort of indicative of Clary and
Speaker 1: Jason for the rest of the show. It's the two
Speaker 1: of them side by side, fighting and figuring out unknown
Speaker 1: situations together with a little bit of sarcastic humor. And
Speaker 1: this the sort of beautiful tableaus And that's nick Gi.
Speaker 1: You're right, he had such a vision for this. And
Speaker 1: this is why I've always been so grateful that he
Speaker 1: was the one who helped us build our world, because
Speaker 1: he has the whole scope and this giant vision of
Speaker 1: I'm going to take this story that's already great and
Speaker 1: already has so much to it and is so rich,
Speaker 1: and take it beyond and elevated to even another level
Speaker 1: and and create something that's so cinematic that you know,
Speaker 1: how many times have we seen that photo put into
Speaker 1: fan art and put into you know, every iteration, every
Speaker 1: edit that's ever done of Jason Clary that's somewhere in
Speaker 1: the video or photo or something, and it's it's one
Speaker 1: of the first photos that mcg sent me of you know,
Speaker 1: the pilot episode was a photo he took from that day,
Speaker 1: and I remember looking at it and going, this looks
Speaker 1: like everything I grew up watching and reading. And that's us,
Speaker 1: that's our team. Yeah, sure is so. Oh and then
Speaker 1: Clary wakes up the institute and you see her with
Speaker 1: the team for the first time. Correct this was my
Speaker 1: audition scene? It was, Yeah, it sure was. I think
Speaker 1: it's fun this like this thing that Emerald does where
Speaker 1: she's like super curious about who you are, like you're
Speaker 1: a you're a creature that doesn't exist in her realm.
Speaker 1: And rewatching it, I thought she did such a good job.
Speaker 1: I think it's so it's such an endearing performance to
Speaker 1: watch because she's like she's right and she's not either
Speaker 1: of our opinions. Like I'm yeah, I'm infatuated by whatever
Speaker 1: this is and whether that's love or sexual, whatever it is.
Speaker 1: That's more. It's just like there and I need to
Speaker 1: understand you more. He doesn't give a ship and once
Speaker 1: you've gone and she's like, you're fun. I like you.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna, I'm gonna. I want you to, but I
Speaker 1: want to play with you. I want to. I want
Speaker 1: us to be like buddies. You know. It's the scientist
Speaker 1: in Isabel. Yeah, yeah, I do have to say I
Speaker 1: find grumpy cat shadow hunter Matt incredibly endearing. I forgot
Speaker 1: how because we see Alec becomes so warm and their
Speaker 1: relationship becomes so kind of brother and sisterly later on,
Speaker 1: I forget how just cut and dry Matt played Alec
Speaker 1: in the first season. Yeah, with Simon is very much
Speaker 1: bad sense of humor as well, and it's so charming.
Speaker 1: It is. Yeah, it just makes me love Maddario all
Speaker 1: the more. Agreed, all the more as if that were
Speaker 1: even possible. Look at it, stupid face kiddy, another one
Speaker 1: of the most photogenic individuals to it's ludicrous, Like you've
Speaker 1: got to stop man. You know what's interesting about audition
Speaker 1: scenes is, you know, you do audition scenes hundreds of times,
Speaker 1: just over and over and over and over, and you
Speaker 1: do them at home, and you prep them at home,
Speaker 1: and then you do the tapes where you do them
Speaker 1: in with the casting, and then you do them again
Speaker 1: the recall, and then you do them again with the directors,
Speaker 1: then you do them again with the actors, and then
Speaker 1: eventually when you get on set there's this, or at
Speaker 1: least with me, there's this like fear that it's gotten stale,
Speaker 1: and you're like, how do I how do I make
Speaker 1: this like I'm saying it for the first time? How
Speaker 1: do I do this like I'm saying it for the
Speaker 1: first time? And did a really good job. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you remember, but when we when the previous
Speaker 1: part of this, it was he had Matt improvised, and
Speaker 1: he had him improvised, and he had us like talking
Speaker 1: about it and giving us different sort of thought processes
Speaker 1: that made it feel new. And I thought that was
Speaker 1: a really clever technique for a director because we know
Speaker 1: what's coming, what's coming as a scene that we've literally
Speaker 1: done a hundred times, and we need to come into
Speaker 1: it with freshoods. Yeah, I thought that was very clever.
Speaker 1: By the way, little foreshadowing here, there's Simon is now
Speaker 1: calling Cleary and seeing that she's in this abandoned church,
Speaker 1: and Jason's found Cleary's notepad, and if you watch my
Speaker 1: right hand, I start playing with my stella and it's
Speaker 1: something that was in the books that I wanted to
Speaker 1: bring him with, Jason said. Cassandra had said something about
Speaker 1: it's weird that someone so confident has this tick, has
Speaker 1: this nervous sort of and I wanted that to be
Speaker 1: a part of Jay. So I start doing this thing
Speaker 1: where I sort of twizzle the stelle around my thumb.
Speaker 1: And this is the sole reason that I broke so
Speaker 1: many of them, other than the fact that they're very fragile,
Speaker 1: is I'm not very good at that twizzling thing. I
Speaker 1: can get it like it's fine when I'm over the bed,
Speaker 1: and every time I drop it just doesn't break. But
Speaker 1: I would do it standing up over the floor, and
Speaker 1: every time I would drop it, which is shatter everywhere.
Speaker 1: It's a big reason why in season two I didn't
Speaker 1: have any They didn't they stopped giving them to me.
Speaker 1: It was just like you can activate your rooms with
Speaker 1: your eyes, and to stop destroying our props please. Yeah. Oh,
Speaker 1: and this is the first time we really highlight the
Speaker 1: runs in a big way and important that all the
Speaker 1: conversations we had about the color of the ruins and
Speaker 1: the size of them and what they were to look like.
Speaker 1: And they change season two, but in season one, we
Speaker 1: each character had a color palette of what colors they
Speaker 1: would use for our rooms, specifically based on our skin
Speaker 1: tone and based on, you know what, how fresh they were.
Speaker 1: And when we had gotten each room and our makeup
Speaker 1: department was so put so much thought and energy into it,
Speaker 1: and then the slap has gone. I don't know whether
Speaker 1: I was going I want that so in this scene
Speaker 1: it was an iconic scene from the book for those
Speaker 1: people who don't know where Clarie slaps Jace for being
Speaker 1: the cheeky shadow hunter that he is. I was so
Speaker 1: surprised when they brought me to set that day and
Speaker 1: they asked me to just slap you. I was not
Speaker 1: expecting that in the slightest nor did I really particularly
Speaker 1: like that at all. Whatever you loved every second of it.
Speaker 1: Also fun note Cat slaps with like the bulls of
Speaker 1: her hat. She doesn't slap with her fingers like a
Speaker 1: normal person. That's just like a little like a ping
Speaker 1: and it stings for a second. She punches me, and
Speaker 1: that first take and the thing shadow you're not really
Speaker 1: supposed to feel it. It's just sort of like I
Speaker 1: was just got hit in the face. But she decks
Speaker 1: me and it takes me a second and like get
Speaker 1: my composure and I'm like, oh my god, when are
Speaker 1: my eyes going to focus? Like crazy? I would like
Speaker 1: to say, dum. I will say I've been waiting for
Speaker 1: years to set the record straight on this, So let me,
Speaker 1: just for the records say that that particular take that
Speaker 1: you're talking about, they had actually moved my mark a
Speaker 1: little bit, so I was a little bit closer to
Speaker 1: you thinking about adjusting it. I see. No, I'm saying
Speaker 1: I didn't adjust my slap after moving closer to you.
Speaker 1: So that's what everyone needs to know. She punched me
Speaker 1: in the face. Episode one, probably a weekend Shet McNamara
Speaker 1: punched Dominic showed in the face, and I went on, right,
Speaker 1: I did not. I did not. I slapped you at
Speaker 1: the behest of our bosses. She did. She was told
Speaker 1: the wrong part of my hand. I was told with
Speaker 1: the wrong part of my hand. In all seriousness, we've apologies.
Speaker 1: We've clipped each other a couple of times. I remember
Speaker 1: I've caught you with a sword once, and I remember
Speaker 1: it happening, and I remember feeling dreadful about it, and
Speaker 1: it happens. You know, it's part of what you do,
Speaker 1: like if you because you can. Also you can go
Speaker 1: into set and say I don't want to get slapped
Speaker 1: the face. I'm unwilling to get slats in the face,
Speaker 1: Like I don't want that to happen, And that's completely
Speaker 1: acceptable when you go fair enough, that's okay. Like, but
Speaker 1: if you're gonna it's what we were saying earlier, like
Speaker 1: with the stunts. If you if you say, yeah, do it,
Speaker 1: then you can't complain that like, actually she hit me
Speaker 1: quite hard, Like you just you said that they can
Speaker 1: slap in the face. You know you can't. I've got
Speaker 1: some mileage out of it, if I'm honest, I've definitely
Speaker 1: got some out of it. I can. But I will
Speaker 1: say that I did not like slapping in the face,
Speaker 1: and it was not I get it. It was not.
Speaker 1: It was not fun. But here we are towards the end,
Speaker 1: we're in Chernobyl again and do you remember this again?
Speaker 1: It was another long conversation of when can Simon see
Speaker 1: the shadow Hunter that you're killing? Is this the moment
Speaker 1: where you got to do the kill, where you do this?
Speaker 1: So that's what sort of aimed for. It was sort
Speaker 1: of kind of it was I wanted this, I wanted
Speaker 1: this thing with the shadow. Answers were like, killing isn't pleasant,
Speaker 1: it's not something we enjoy doing. But also there's this
Speaker 1: anger to Jason that is the story that he has
Speaker 1: in his head that you know, we come to find out,
Speaker 1: but it's the story that he has in his head
Speaker 1: about how his father was treated and how his lineage
Speaker 1: has since been treated, and they were they were tortured
Speaker 1: and destroyed and killed by the Circle. So I don't
Speaker 1: think it's so much like and slowly digging the knife in.
Speaker 1: It's more like I want you to know that this
Speaker 1: is why I'm doing this, Like I'm doing this because
Speaker 1: it's revenge. I'm doing this is revenge. You killed my father,
Speaker 1: you destroyed my life, you destroyed my family, and you
Speaker 1: deserve this. It's sort of that dark, dangerous side of
Speaker 1: Jace that that is unhinged, but also that makes him
Speaker 1: very good at what he does. It's, you know, and
Speaker 1: it's also that that paradox of that. He continually says
Speaker 1: that we don't have emotions. Shadow hunters don't have emotions,
Speaker 1: but actually we thoroughly do. Of course we do. And
Speaker 1: this is the first prime example of that, where he's angry,
Speaker 1: where he loses his composure, and he doesn't enjoy killing
Speaker 1: this person, but there's also a part of him that
Speaker 1: this brings him just a tiny little bit of closure,
Speaker 1: and that's dangerous. That's the dangerous side of Jason is
Speaker 1: that if you cross him, when you cross him, when
Speaker 1: you cross the people he cares about, he will go
Speaker 1: to the ends of the earth to make that right.
Speaker 1: And that's what happens, and that's as we dive into
Speaker 1: the story. That's what kind of becomes so beautiful about
Speaker 1: Jason Clary's relationship is they each have something to teach
Speaker 1: each other. Clary teachers helps to Jace learn how to
Speaker 1: feel things and how to use his emotions and how
Speaker 1: to kind of go into that side. And Jace teaches
Speaker 1: Clary how to be a fighter and how to get
Speaker 1: through this world and how to you know, and together
Speaker 1: when one is weak, the other is strong, and they
Speaker 1: kind of bring each other and balance each other out
Speaker 1: in that way. That's sort of a big part of
Speaker 1: who these shadow Unters are and one of the big
Speaker 1: things that I really loved about them always, and what
Speaker 1: I thought so attractive about this story is these guys
Speaker 1: are kind of broken, like damaged people, but only from
Speaker 1: the perspective of other human beings, which is one of
Speaker 1: the parallels that we never were never really sort of
Speaker 1: delved into with real life, and with this, you know,
Speaker 1: there's a there's a lot of like shitty hate out there.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of people who dislike other people, but
Speaker 1: whether they refuse to or are unable to, or have
Speaker 1: neglected to so far, they have not seen the story
Speaker 1: from the point of view of whoever the other person is.
Speaker 1: They've seen it from the point of view of the
Speaker 1: person telling the story themselves. So my thing with Jason
Speaker 1: that I always thought was really interesting was and vice
Speaker 1: versa with Jason's opinion of Clary, where he's like, well,
Speaker 1: I don't understand why you don't get this like this
Speaker 1: is it doesn't make any sense because you only see
Speaker 1: the story through your eyes. Ever you can only ever
Speaker 1: see that story through your eyes. And Jase was broken
Speaker 1: and he was damaged. He lost his parents when he
Speaker 1: was ten and joined a new family, but fit in
Speaker 1: with that family immediately because one was par of a
Speaker 1: tie and the rest were his shadow un brother and sisters.
Speaker 1: Just made sense to him. It was his community. So
Speaker 1: whether or not you agree or disagree with the behaviors
Speaker 1: of a community that's there, that's what that's their prerogative.
Speaker 1: That's who they are, and you just need to let
Speaker 1: them be who they are. And that's what I thought
Speaker 1: was really cool about the shadow Hunters. And I think
Speaker 1: that's too why I Clary and Jay's kind of connected
Speaker 1: in a lot of ways as they go through the story,
Speaker 1: because Claire and I noticed this in rewatching these first
Speaker 1: couple of episodes, is Jay saw Clary for another version
Speaker 1: of him coming into the Institute as a lost kind
Speaker 1: of loan puppy, as it were, a stray, straight Fray,
Speaker 1: straight Fray, needing, needing a family and needing to be
Speaker 1: brought in and taught the ways of the world and
Speaker 1: taught how to survive and how to thrive and how
Speaker 1: to do good out of a bad situation. And I
Speaker 1: think that's you know, it's something that their journey is
Speaker 1: kind of parallel and a lot of a lot of ways,
Speaker 1: um more or less throughout as the story goes on.
Speaker 1: But it it's something that I always felt too on
Speaker 1: a personal level diving into this show. You know, I
Speaker 1: was I was nineteen when I booked the show. I
Speaker 1: moved to a foreign country. You were the only person
Speaker 1: that I had any real kind of friendship with before
Speaker 1: the show, and we made a family, and we learned
Speaker 1: we were thrown into the deep end of the pool
Speaker 1: together and had to learn how to swim, and had
Speaker 1: to learn how to show about this responsibility and and
Speaker 1: make this show. And we did it and it was
Speaker 1: a wonderful experience. And I think that's why we were
Speaker 1: all kind of so close as our characters did the
Speaker 1: same thing, we went through a very similar journey. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll also I mean, I think, yeah, the deepend is
Speaker 1: because not just story wise, like filming season one was
Speaker 1: I'm not speaking for anyone else because I wouldn't dare,
Speaker 1: but I can say very honestly from my point of view,
Speaker 1: and I know people would agree with me, filming season
Speaker 1: one was tough. It was really hard work. There were
Speaker 1: a lot of times we didn't know which direction we
Speaker 1: were going, what the avenues were. There was a lot
Speaker 1: of pressure to get it right because of first of all,
Speaker 1: that there's a huge following for this already in these
Speaker 1: stories and these characters, but also on top of that,
Speaker 1: it's been done once and and people didn't love it,
Speaker 1: So we this is the second iteration of trying to
Speaker 1: do something. And then I think, as we sort of
Speaker 1: touched on briefly earlier, the hours we worked trying to
Speaker 1: trying to get it perfect was ludicrous, and not just
Speaker 1: for us but for the crew as well. Um it was. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was really something, and I think when you get
Speaker 1: thrust into something like that, you really do bond over it,
Speaker 1: where you're like, how much sleep did you get? You know,
Speaker 1: I got like two and a half hours? Yeah, you
Speaker 1: got two and a half hours to cool. Cool, cool,
Speaker 1: Let's have a coffee at eleven twelve, one, two, three four,
Speaker 1: Just we'll just keep going that way until we get
Speaker 1: through the days, and then that coffee drip, and then
Speaker 1: we then we found a rhythm and it was good,
Speaker 1: and that's it's barely It's fairly typical of especially a
Speaker 1: pilot and then pilot episode through maybe episode five, you're
Speaker 1: just sort of you're figuring it out and you're learning
Speaker 1: what these relationships are both on screen and on set,
Speaker 1: and it takes them doing. But this one particularly, I
Speaker 1: think because there was a physical toll for everybody. Um
Speaker 1: was really tough, and I think that's what connected everyone
Speaker 1: because we said, you know, last day on set. Ever,
Speaker 1: we had people there who were there first day. We
Speaker 1: had like Glenn was there. Glenn, who is our amazing
Speaker 1: b camera operator, was there day one with us. I
Speaker 1: remember meeting Glenn day one and he did my very
Speaker 1: first shot as Clary. He sat up, I think you
Speaker 1: have a camera. I think you have Drew's camera slate,
Speaker 1: don't you They give that to you. They do, Yes,
Speaker 1: I have. Yeah, it's a Decker's house. So the slate
Speaker 1: said the clapperboards the beginning of the beginning of every shot.
Speaker 1: You know, let's take this click. And what it is
Speaker 1: is it's a way of matching the sound starting because
Speaker 1: sound is recorded separately via a personal microphone that they
Speaker 1: stick to your chest or a boom or both, and
Speaker 1: it's a way of matching where the sound needs to
Speaker 1: start versus where the picture of the sound needs to start,
Speaker 1: because there are times where the sound is happening far
Speaker 1: away or whatever whatever it is. But they write on
Speaker 1: it with you know, a dry race marker. This is
Speaker 1: the scene we're doing, so in the edit room they
Speaker 1: can put it all together. And that started to rub
Speaker 1: off because it was obviously just dry a race. So
Speaker 1: I just took a sharpie and I wrote it all
Speaker 1: back on top. And it's really, honestly one of my
Speaker 1: proudest possessions of all the things I stole got given
Speaker 1: from Shadow unts got given. I did not personally steal anything.
Speaker 1: I only took for anyone else whatever. Wait until you
Speaker 1: see Clary's bedroom is barren. She just took everything she
Speaker 1: took with bed sheets. I saw her do it. I
Speaker 1: did not. I almost wanted to take the bedspread though,
Speaker 1: But but this is you know, as you say, we
Speaker 1: did have such a family from the cast of the
Speaker 1: crew to everyone else, and I don't think we would
Speaker 1: have found that rhythm and we would have figured it
Speaker 1: out and and gotten through. You know, we were in
Speaker 1: the trenches together as it were, and we we soldiered
Speaker 1: through together and figured it out. But in a way
Speaker 1: that created something so beautiful and in a way that
Speaker 1: we wouldn't have been able to do without such an
Speaker 1: incredible group of people from top to bottom, from our
Speaker 1: producers at at ABC family that then became free form,
Speaker 1: to all the way, to our crew that was on
Speaker 1: set with us every single day, to each and every
Speaker 1: person that came in even if they were there for
Speaker 1: just a day on set. I there were very very
Speaker 1: few people that were not just a joy to work
Speaker 1: with on set every single day. Al Right, where are
Speaker 1: we at? I think we're right at the end. We're
Speaker 1: at another beautiful, beautiful McGee tableau with Clary in between
Speaker 1: Jason Simon, one saying come with me, the other saying
Speaker 1: come with me outside the church. The Precision, the Precision run. Yes,
Speaker 1: And then that's it. That's our pilot. We have. We
Speaker 1: have Alan who comes on says I very much want
Speaker 1: to meet this daughter. No, he doesn't say that. That's
Speaker 1: in the next episode. Does because he know he finds
Speaker 1: out that the Jocelyn had a daughter. Yes, he does.
Speaker 1: You're right, Joscelyn had a daughter. Because he didn't know.
Speaker 1: We didn't know this, but he didn't know that Jocelyn
Speaker 1: had a daughter. And so then we go what, Yeah,
Speaker 1: You're absolutely right, Foreshadow, that was the pilot and there
Speaker 1: it is. God, wow, what a what a time it was?
Speaker 1: How long ago did we film that cat? Do you remember?
Speaker 1: We shot that pilot episode in in May of so
Speaker 1: like six and the six years eight months ago. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I remember so many mornings, mornings when we wrapped at
Speaker 1: seven am, just sitting sitting outside with you, waiting for
Speaker 1: our vans, waiting to go home, dead tired. We'd worked
Speaker 1: so hard all night, yet we somehow both had smiles
Speaker 1: on our faces and couldn't stop talking about everything that
Speaker 1: had happened the night before and all the stories and
Speaker 1: the funny moments in the mishaps. And it was that
Speaker 1: moment I kind of looked at you and went, oh,
Speaker 1: this is going to be fun. This is a person
Speaker 1: that I can go through, Yeah, the next five, six,
Speaker 1: seven years totally. And that's what's interesting about doing this,
Speaker 1: or even just in the last hour or so. What
Speaker 1: I found when it comes to revisiting something like this
Speaker 1: is like, it was hard work, and there are times
Speaker 1: where the last thing I wanted to do was another take.
Speaker 1: Like I was broken, my body was done, I had
Speaker 1: nothing emotionally left. But that's not to say that I
Speaker 1: didn't enjoy every fucking second of it. Every second of
Speaker 1: this I loved it. I absolutely loved it, and I
Speaker 1: wanted nothing more than to come back and do it
Speaker 1: again and again and again and keep going until we
Speaker 1: did a damn musical episode. That's why I didn't want to.
Speaker 1: I didn't want to do a musical episode. By everything
Speaker 1: else we would have convinced you was that if Matt sings,
Speaker 1: if we get Matt to sing and dance, and he did,
Speaker 1: he danced in one of them. He did. We were
Speaker 1: this close, this close, But that's something that you know,
Speaker 1: we had so much fun making this show. We poured
Speaker 1: our blood, sweat and tears into it. We had a
Speaker 1: great time, and then the fandom had such a great
Speaker 1: time watching it. And this is what has made the
Speaker 1: Shadow world and the Shadow fan becomes so special for
Speaker 1: both of us. I think you know we You and
Speaker 1: I both relish. We love hard work. At least I
Speaker 1: think you're the kind of person that loves hard work.
Speaker 1: And you know, we we made a show that meant
Speaker 1: a lot to us, and then it ended up meaning
Speaker 1: something to other people as well. And to be able
Speaker 1: to celebrate that and to be able to go back
Speaker 1: and relive all the memories. Is it's going to be
Speaker 1: a fun journey. Yeah, And that is it, guys. That
Speaker 1: is the end of episode one of this podcast. Usum,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us. We have a
Speaker 1: whole but load more to come, and I'm so excited
Speaker 1: with everyone what it was like to film this. What
Speaker 1: you know, no holds barreds, nobody's going to get in
Speaker 1: trouble for saying things because we're still employed, like we
Speaker 1: can we can really talk about this show. We can
Speaker 1: really talk about it and talk about everything that you
Speaker 1: have wanted to know. So thank you for being a
Speaker 1: part of this with us. I think it's gonna be
Speaker 1: a really exciting journey absolutely, and in the future we
Speaker 1: will hopefully be gathering questions to be able to answer
Speaker 1: and getting some fire messages from the Shadow fam out
Speaker 1: there and doing some more fun feature ats as we
Speaker 1: fun segments as we go through. But thank you for
Speaker 1: joining us, thank you for coming with us, returning to
Speaker 1: the Shadows with us as it were, and uh, I
Speaker 1: guess at this point will bid you hail and farewell
Speaker 1: until next time. We're Turned into the Shadows as hosted
Speaker 1: an executive produced by Katherine McNamara and Dominic Sherwood. Our
Speaker 1: executive producer is Langley. Our senior producers are Liz Hayes
Speaker 1: and Diego Tapia, and our producers are Hannah Harris and
Speaker 1: Kristin Vermilia. Original music by Alex Kinsey and performed by
Speaker 1: Alex Kinsey and Katherine McNamara. The episode was mixed by
Speaker 1: Seth The Landscape