1 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: The volume. The Colin Cowherd Podcast brought to you by 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:09,720 Speaker 1: Fan Duel. It's never been easier to play fantasy on 3 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: Fan Duel. Will you love basketball, golf, soccer or any 4 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: fantasy sport. There is a contest for every fan Fan 5 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 1: Duel more ways to win. Hi, everybody, and welcome to 6 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:33,279 Speaker 1: the Wednesday Morning Podcast. I love doing these. We're going 7 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 1: to have author Lars Anderson. He's had all sorts of 8 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 1: New York Times bestsellers. He wrote a book about last 9 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: year's Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Bruce Arians, Tom Brady, Antonio Brown, 10 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:50,159 Speaker 1: great stories about the championship. Can't wait to have him on. 11 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about two or three different things. 12 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 1: First of all, it's remarkable to me that people struggle 13 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 1: with stuff that they experience in their own life. You've 14 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 1: dated people in your life, perhaps married. You're both good people, 15 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 1: and the fit eventually just doesn't work. You know that 16 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 1: fit matters. You've worked at companies. You're talented enough, it's 17 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:19,760 Speaker 1: not a terrible company. The fit doesn't work. But yet, 18 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:23,760 Speaker 1: when I suggested that O. B J was just a 19 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 1: bad fit with a young Baker Mayfield, I'm not blaming anybody. 20 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: People thought it was a hot take. It's not a 21 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:36,960 Speaker 1: hot take. They don't fit, and the data suggests they 22 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 1: have never fit. You know, I'll give you a great example, 23 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: a show that most of us have watched, Saturday Night Live. 24 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 1: Larry David, really a comedic genius, helps create Seinfeld does 25 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 1: create Curb Your Enthusiasm, two of the more iconic seminal 26 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 1: comedy shows of my lifetime. He quit after a year 27 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 1: on Saturday Night Live because the only one sketch on 28 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 1: the show he was a bust. Robert Downey Junior lasted 29 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 1: a season. Sarah Silberman didn't work. Ben still Or lasted 30 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 1: four episodes. Yet there have been kind of hackey comedians 31 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 1: who do impressions that are big hits on Saturday Night Live. 32 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 1: You have to have the right comedic fit to work 33 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 1: on that show. That's Obj. Obj was a at the 34 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 1: time he moved to Cleveland. Was a big star. Supermodels 35 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 1: in hotel rooms in Paris, New York, giants houses in Hollywood. 36 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: And I had talked to him. I remember where I 37 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 1: was standing in Park City, Utah when he called me 38 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 1: and we talked during FaceTime. He didn't want to go 39 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:48,080 Speaker 1: to Cleveland. He had no interest in Cleveland. He had 40 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 1: told me the places he was interested in, and then 41 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 1: like three weeks later he ended up in Cleveland. We 42 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:55,640 Speaker 1: just knew it just wasn't the right fit. Baker wasn't 43 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 1: the right fit. And I'm always surprised when you know 44 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:03,079 Speaker 1: people bristle at that suggestion. We've all had relationships, we've 45 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 1: all worked at companies. It just doesn't work. And for Obj, 46 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 1: it never ever, ever, All the data tells you Baker 47 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 1: literally this year has a fifty percent completion rate when 48 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 1: targeting Obj and as seventy two passer rating when targeting Obj, 49 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:24,799 Speaker 1: the lowest of any receiver on the Brown's roster. As 50 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 1: Belichick says, it's not about collecting talent, it's about building 51 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 1: a team. So when the Rams go out and get 52 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 1: Vaughan Miller, they essentially won the trading deadline. And you know, 53 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of things at work here, 54 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 1: and one of them that I think the Rams really 55 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 1: feel good about, not only their culture, but they're conditioning 56 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 1: and how they treat their players physiologically. So the sport 57 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 1: is changing in football, right. It used to be the 58 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 1: idea of getting married for the first time in your 59 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 1: forties was just ludicrous. You know, people got married in 60 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 1: their twenties, early twenties, and then it was like whoa, 61 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 1: You waited till you were like thirty three to get married. 62 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 1: People now get married in their forties. They live their lives. 63 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:17,600 Speaker 1: Ages change people. You know, sixty five years old, you retired. 64 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 1: In my industry, Vince Scully and Regis Philbin were in 65 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:27,600 Speaker 1: their late seventies and still, in my opinion, thriving on 66 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 1: the air. People live longer, we eat better, And Lawrence 67 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 1: Taylor's the greatest defensive player ever. But Lawrence Taylor the 68 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 1: last three years in the NFL, there was a major 69 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 1: drop off. By thirty one, he was to a large 70 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 1: degree not close to the same player he retired at 71 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 1: thirty four. But it's changed. First of all, teams don't 72 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 1: hit during practice, Starters don't play in the preseason. The 73 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 1: collisions for offensive players aren't nearly as Puni von Miller's 74 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 1: thirty two. There's no twenty two twenty three year old 75 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 1: college football players, especially when you're the Rams and don't 76 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 1: have a first round pick, and you'll probably be drafting 77 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:15,839 Speaker 1: near the bottom of the second round. Tell me a 78 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:17,840 Speaker 1: college player at the bottom of the second round that's 79 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 1: going to come in and play for the Rams because 80 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:22,719 Speaker 1: that's where they draft now. And Von Miller's thirty two, 81 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 1: barring a serious injury, could have three more years of 82 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:33,600 Speaker 1: high quality football left. Ages change nutritional standards. Tom Brady 83 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 1: at forty four years old. They're doing studies this year 84 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 1: on the velocity of his football and the release of it. 85 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 1: It's faster than it was twenty years ago. That's the 86 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 1: world we live in. The Miami Dolphins are taking some 87 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:56,600 Speaker 1: heat for allowing the Deshaun Watson trade rumors to go 88 00:05:56,720 --> 00:06:02,359 Speaker 1: public and in the process perhaps damage too as confidence. 89 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: Something to remember about this is that when you get 90 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:11,839 Speaker 1: into a negotiation with somebody, there's agents involved on both sides, 91 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 1: there's players on both sides, there's owners, there's gms. It's 92 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 1: hard to keep things quiet. The leaks were never coming 93 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 1: from the Miami Dolphins. They had nothing that they could 94 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 1: have won with any of that information going public. The 95 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:30,600 Speaker 1: information was coming from Deshaun Watson and the Houston Texans. 96 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:35,920 Speaker 1: They were trying to create a larger market for Deshaun Watson, 97 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 1: and so the Dolphins I think started understanding they were 98 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:45,479 Speaker 1: negotiating against themselves. In the last two weeks, and that 99 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:49,480 Speaker 1: gave the Dolphins a lot more leverage. In fact, according 100 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 1: to multiple reports, the Dolphins went from having to give 101 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 1: up three or four first round picks and three players 102 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: to three first round picks and just two players. Why 103 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 1: because there was nobody else in the bidding. So the 104 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 1: Texans for the last month have been trying to create 105 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 1: a market for Deshaun Watson. How Leak that the Dolphins 106 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 1: are interested, Leak that Caroline is interested. So that's first, 107 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 1: you can't blame the Dolphins because somebody else leaks a story. 108 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 1: The second thing to realize is if Tua can't overcome rumors, 109 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 1: he's not built to be a Super Bowl champion quarterback. 110 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 1: If press clippings and rumors of other players coming to 111 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: your team threatens you or erode your confidence, you're not 112 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 1: the guy. Okay, if anything, that sort of stuff should 113 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 1: put a massive chip on the shoulder of Tua, who 114 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 1: came from a profoundly dominant high school program, a profoundly 115 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 1: dominant college program. It's been kind of easy in terms 116 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 1: of supporting cast. He probably needs a little chip on 117 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 1: his shoulder. This is the first time he hasn't had 118 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 1: significantly better players around him. And his teammates did not 119 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 1: vote him captain, so obviously, from a leadership standpoint, he's 120 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 1: not clicking with teammates. Don't blame teams if stuff gets out. 121 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 1: Agents love salaries and their clients on the market getting 122 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 1: out it drums up business. He's a New York Times 123 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:29,679 Speaker 1: bestselling author of twelve books, A Season in the Sun, 124 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 1: The Inside Story of Bruce Arians, Tom Brady, in the 125 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:37,599 Speaker 1: Making of a Champion, and I Lars Anderson had previously 126 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:40,719 Speaker 1: written a book co authored with Bruce Arians three or 127 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 1: four years ago called The Quarterback Whisper. And so what 128 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 1: I find interesting is the relationship, Lars, that you have 129 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 1: with Bruce. And we were talking as we were preparing 130 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 1: for this interview today that if you wrote the story 131 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 1: of this sea, it's ludicrous. Brady misses out on fifteen 132 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 1: hundred snaps were in a pandemic. He walks into a 133 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 1: house of a stranger looking for Byron Leftwich. He's doing. 134 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 1: He's doing high school. He creates practices in the high 135 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 1: school football field that a local affiliate gets on video 136 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 1: from a helicopter. I'm not sure he got in trouble 137 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:28,839 Speaker 1: with that or not. The whole thing was sort of 138 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:31,079 Speaker 1: make it up as they go. And I wondered with 139 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 1: your relationship with Bruce Arians when it was all said 140 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 1: and done, was even Bruce a little surprised? I mean, 141 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:44,719 Speaker 1: it looks so chaotic on that Thursday night in Chicago. 142 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 1: It was like almost duct taping things together a week 143 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 1: to week with your relationship with Bruce when it was 144 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 1: all over, A little surprised scale of one to ten, 145 00:09:56,320 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 1: a three. I mean, it is almost a ludicrous, hard 146 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 1: to believe script. And what happened, yeah, especially one with 147 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 1: how the season started, going into New Orleans and getting thumped, 148 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:15,679 Speaker 1: and Tom throws a pick six and throws another interception, 149 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:24,199 Speaker 1: and and then Bruce publicly criticizes Tom, and everybody's already like, oh, 150 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 1: in the national media, the marriage is over. It's dead. 151 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 1: And and then when they're seven and five going into 152 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 1: the bye, there were some pundits who were calling for 153 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 1: Bruce's job, saying, hey, this isn't working. The Bruce Arians 154 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 1: offense and the Tom Brady offense absolutely not working. But 155 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 1: you know, they kept grinding a way and eventually, as 156 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:52,559 Speaker 1: I said on your show the other day, and thank 157 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 1: you for having me on your show, and thank you 158 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 1: for having me on your podcast calling You've been a 159 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 1: huge advocate for this book. I really appreciate yet I 160 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 1: appreciate it. You know, they had a melding of Tom's 161 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:15,320 Speaker 1: preferred offense and Ba's offense. Now, could Bruce have envisioned 162 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 1: that they were going to be this good, this fast. No, 163 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 1: when there were seven and five. You know what Bruce 164 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 1: was thinking, we're going to start preparing for next year. 165 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 1: We're gonna use these last games of the season to 166 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:32,840 Speaker 1: get ready for next year. He did not think he 167 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:36,320 Speaker 1: was going to click as quick as it did. And 168 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 1: you know, he didn't say that publicly, but that's what 169 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 1: he was thinking privately. That's what he was saying to 170 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 1: Jason light the general manager. He's like, hey, we're one 171 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:49,319 Speaker 1: year away. But you know, when he was recruiting Tom 172 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 1: and then Tom signs, one of the first things that 173 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 1: Bruce said to Tom was, we are really good, but 174 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 1: our players don't know it because of this culture of 175 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:07,559 Speaker 1: losing and in you know, Jamis Winston the previous year 176 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:13,960 Speaker 1: thirty touchdowns, thirty interceptions. Uh, you know, and the last 177 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 1: throw of Jamis's career for Tampa was was a pick 178 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:21,320 Speaker 1: six in the shortest overtime game in the history of 179 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 1: the NFL. And afterward you could just see the exasperation 180 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 1: on Bruce's face when he when he just said, you know, 181 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:32,560 Speaker 1: Jamis does so many great things, but he also says 182 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 1: so many terrible things. And so Bruce knew in his 183 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 1: own mind, he didn't share this with his assistant, that 184 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 1: he had to move on from Jamis. And really who 185 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 1: they were targeting was Teddy Bridgewater. They thought Bridgewater is 186 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:51,719 Speaker 1: going to be our guy. He's from Florida, He'll want 187 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 1: to come back home. And and then slowly they get 188 00:12:57,480 --> 00:13:00,560 Speaker 1: word that that Brady could be interested. And if you 189 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:05,840 Speaker 1: remember at the NFL combine, so this is pre pandemic. Yeah, 190 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:08,560 Speaker 1: all the coaches get their their time up at the 191 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 1: microphone right and in front of the national media, and 192 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:15,680 Speaker 1: Bruce has asked, hey, who do who do you want? 193 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:17,560 Speaker 1: Who do you want to be your quarterback? And he 194 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 1: just said Tom Brady, you know, And he had no idea, 195 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:22,960 Speaker 1: but you know what he was doing. He was sending 196 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:27,440 Speaker 1: a message that went all the way up to New 197 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 1: England and through the big iron gates of Tom's mansion, 198 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 1: letting Tom know and Tom's agent don Lee, we want Tom. 199 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 1: You know, that's interesting the ghost of Belichick. As I 200 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 1: read the book, you can kind of feel it in 201 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:49,320 Speaker 1: the pages, is that every great coach lars has a weakness, 202 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 1: and with Belichick, I think it's often with skill people. 203 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 1: He's a defensive coach. He's missed on a lot of 204 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 1: wide receivers in the league. In college, he struggled with 205 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 1: tight end drafts, running back drafts very hit and miss. 206 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:08,680 Speaker 1: And I could make the argument that he missed on Brady, 207 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 1: that he thought it was about Tom aging and it 208 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 1: was really a lack of self reflection that he had 209 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 1: created such a poor group of skill people. As I 210 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 1: read the book, I wonder, deep down when you did 211 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 1: this book and talk to Tom, and Tom has the 212 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 1: proverbial chip on the shoulder. But I wonder when Tom, 213 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 1: at some point in New England realized we just can't 214 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 1: draft receivers. Even now with a two hundred and three 215 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 1: hundred million in free agency, it still remains the weakest 216 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 1: receiving corps in the league. So even when acquiring Mohammed 217 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 1: Sanu for a second or three round pick, Nelson Agilar, 218 00:14:57,360 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 1: Kendrick Bord, he's still not good at it. They still 219 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 1: have nobody that separates do you think. You know in 220 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 1: your book, Tom makes the decision about a year out, 221 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 1: but I wonder if he was having questions before that. 222 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 1: I do. And look, Tom didn't dig deep on this 223 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 1: with me, and uh, and it wasn't like I spent 224 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 1: a ton amount of time with Tom for this book, 225 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 1: but pretty much everybody around him. I think, Colin, it 226 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 1: can be distilled into something very simple. He did not 227 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 1: feel appreciated by his boss. If if it's me right, 228 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 1: you know, I want to be appreciated by my editors, 229 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 1: even Colin Coward, as successful as you are, you want 230 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 1: to be appreciated for your job. And Tom did not 231 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 1: feel appreciated. Uh, he would Belichick, who acts as the 232 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 1: de facto GM, wouldn't give him the contract extension. And 233 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 1: you know I Belichick and Tom's mind was ready to 234 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 1: move on. And in you know, Tom's last throw, ironically enough, 235 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 1: I said, Jamis Winston's last throw was a pick six. 236 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 1: Tom's last throw as a Patriot was a pick six. 237 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 1: And as I mentioned to you when we did the 238 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 1: show that Clyde Christensen and an Jason Light and Bruce 239 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 1: they went back and analyzed every single throw that Tom 240 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 1: made the previous two seasons and they realized he still 241 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 1: got it. He's still got it, and eventually they put 242 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 1: a radar gun on him. Still got the same velocity 243 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 1: that he had in the prime of what we thought 244 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 1: would be the prime of his athletic career. And it 245 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 1: was the conclusion that they came to is just just 246 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 1: what you said. Didn't have the weapons around him. So 247 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 1: why does Tampa become so appealing? Well, for starters, they 248 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 1: got Chris Godwin, they got Mike Evans, they got oj Howard, 249 00:16:57,400 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 1: they have a young, really good offensive line. There was 250 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:05,120 Speaker 1: no promises that they were going to draft Tristan Wirfs 251 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:08,960 Speaker 1: out of Iowa, but he becomes maybe the best tackle 252 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:12,360 Speaker 1: in the best young tackle in the league. They certainly 253 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:16,119 Speaker 1: hit the ballpark out of that with him, and and 254 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:22,159 Speaker 1: also a young, aggressive defense and a talented defense. And 255 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:26,160 Speaker 1: it took Tom to come in. And this is what 256 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:29,679 Speaker 1: the mandate from Bruce was, you can you need to 257 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:32,399 Speaker 1: make them know that they're good and what did they 258 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 1: I mean? But Tom just walking into the building changed everything. 259 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:41,119 Speaker 1: And there's just one scene that I think is so powerful. 260 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 1: It is when Tom and the players are out on 261 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:48,479 Speaker 1: the practice field for the first time and it's just 262 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 1: the trainers who can be out on the field. The 263 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:56,359 Speaker 1: coaching staff is up on the second floor. There's a 264 00:17:56,560 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 1: floor to ceiling windows, and they are all basically like 265 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:05,679 Speaker 1: have their noses pressed to the window. Right. It's like 266 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 1: they're at the zoo, trying to trying to trying to 267 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 1: trying to look, trying to find, you know, the the 268 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 1: most incredible animal right at a in the in the 269 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:23,119 Speaker 1: cage or whatever. And then Tom Brady walks out, and Uh, 270 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 1: They're just like, oh my god, he's really here. Oh 271 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 1: my god, He's really here. And even in that first 272 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 1: practice you could see, uh, Lineman if they missed a block, Oh, sorry, Tom, 273 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 1: not gonna happen again. Sorry Tom, Sorry Tom. Receiver drops 274 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 1: the ball, Tom, not gonna happen again. Not gonna happen again. 275 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:45,959 Speaker 1: So what I'm trying to say is nobody wanted to 276 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:52,440 Speaker 1: disappoint Tom because of his track record, his background, and 277 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 1: the immense respect that everyone had for him. And imagine 278 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 1: how hard it is for Tom to come into a 279 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:02,719 Speaker 1: situation to be sort of the leader of the team. 280 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:07,640 Speaker 1: And Heat organized those offseason, those workouts at that high 281 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 1: school with Rob Gronkowski coming and and you know, he would. 282 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:17,639 Speaker 1: He was very demanding, but he didn't really have a 283 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:20,679 Speaker 1: personal relationship with many of the guys. 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There must 327 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 1: have been messaging in your book. I think with the 328 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 1: COVID the first year, so that respect Tom brings into 329 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 1: the table, I think had great influence. Nobody's going to 330 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:57,919 Speaker 1: disrupt a game or a practice for Tom. But if 331 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 1: you go back and remember a lot of tea teams, 332 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:03,879 Speaker 1: there were many disruptions, and if I recall the Buccaneers 333 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:07,200 Speaker 1: didn't have any COVID disruptions in a region by the way, 334 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:12,160 Speaker 1: which was pushing back on some mandates and some vaccines. 335 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:16,399 Speaker 1: Take me to that process because I think sometimes we're 336 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:20,200 Speaker 1: removed from that now, But boy, that that year we 337 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:25,639 Speaker 1: had games moved and canceled. Oars absolutely, and I mean 338 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:29,440 Speaker 1: it started with Bruce right, and I'll try to keep 339 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:35,639 Speaker 1: the language. Sure, this is a podcast fire away, Okay, 340 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 1: I'll try to keep it as clean as possible. Right, 341 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 1: But first, first staff meeting Bruce has with his coaches. 342 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:51,440 Speaker 1: Tom Moore is Bruce's top lieutenant, eighty two years old former. 343 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 1: I think he was either quarterbacks coach with Bruce when 344 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:59,159 Speaker 1: they were an India together. Tom's a great guy and 345 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 1: he's he's got so much knowledge, so many great stories. 346 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 1: And Bruce essentially said, if any of you mfs talking 347 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:13,360 Speaker 1: to all the coaches get me or Tom sick, I've 348 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:18,119 Speaker 1: got a gun, I'm gonna shoot you in the knees. Okay. 349 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 1: So it started with that, and then Rob Gronkowski signs 350 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 1: and Bruce has he had his reservations about Rob party. Rob. Yeah, 351 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 1: because because when Bruce was calling games for CBS, he 352 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,920 Speaker 1: did a Patriots game and he just he saw that 353 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 1: Rob one couldn't get any separation. He had like all 354 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:44,680 Speaker 1: his body armor on. He looked to Bruce like a 355 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:51,400 Speaker 1: broken player. And in in retrospect, it was Jason Light 356 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:56,160 Speaker 1: and Bruce just taking Tom Brady's word on blind faith 357 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 1: that Rob can still play. Because they didn't get a 358 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:01,479 Speaker 1: chance to work them out nothing. They but so they 359 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 1: sign Rob. First day that Rob comes into the building 360 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 1: at one Buck plays one of my favorite stories the 361 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 1: entire book. There's signs everywhere outside of the elevator. In 362 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 1: the elevator, it says, one person at a time in 363 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 1: the elevator, and the coach's offices again are on the 364 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:25,359 Speaker 1: second floor. Rob is in in the elevator with a 365 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:30,879 Speaker 1: Bucks employee. The two come up doors open. Who's standing 366 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 1: right there but Bruce And Bruce is just like, you 367 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:39,440 Speaker 1: stupid motherfucker, and he is just going off on Rob. 368 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 1: Can't you read a fucking sign? Don't you know what 369 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:46,359 Speaker 1: the fuck? This says? Pardon my language, but I'm just 370 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 1: telling you exactly what happened. And Rob being so Bruce 371 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 1: goes on and on and on, and after Bruce is 372 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 1: done with his diet tribe, Rob gives this sort of 373 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 1: you know, a google if he smiled and says, nice 374 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:06,360 Speaker 1: to meet you, coach. By the way, Gronk's first year 375 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,120 Speaker 1: largs he still looked like a broken player. I think 376 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:12,200 Speaker 1: this year he looked I mean, he looked like he'd 377 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,639 Speaker 1: worked out. I mean, if you remember he came to 378 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 1: Tampa the first four or five weeks, I mean he 379 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 1: was a broken player. I mean, there's something about that 380 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:23,359 Speaker 1: Tampa humidity, that Southern humidity, that Southern sum because I 381 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:27,919 Speaker 1: thought this year he looked much more nimble, much twitchier 382 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 1: than he did last year. You know. It was also, 383 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:32,880 Speaker 1: you know, one of the things I love about Arians, 384 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:37,240 Speaker 1: it's a very unique coaching staff. So Tom really didn't 385 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 1: know Byron Leftwich. You know, he'd probably I think he 386 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:43,399 Speaker 1: played against him at one point down in Jacksonville. And 387 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:46,359 Speaker 1: then there was a woman on the staff, two women 388 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 1: he had previously hired, the name Jen Welter in Arizona. 389 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:59,639 Speaker 1: So talk about the coaching staff Bowls. Todd Bowles obviously 390 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,639 Speaker 1: face Tom is the Jets head coach. It's a really 391 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 1: unique staff. Did that make it easier more difficult? You know? 392 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:11,119 Speaker 1: During the process of Tom, I mean they joke about 393 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 1: it's their Temple South because Bruce's first head coaching job 394 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 1: was at Temple back in the late eighties, I believe, 395 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:24,399 Speaker 1: and so many of the staff members have connections to 396 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 1: Bruce going all the way back to Temple, and Todd 397 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 1: Bowles was his defensive captain there. Laurie Locus, who you mentioned, 398 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 1: assistant d line coach. She went to Temple and was 399 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 1: a student there, and several others. And also what's unique 400 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 1: about the staff is the offensive coordinator, defensive coordinator, a 401 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:51,359 Speaker 1: special teams coordinator, assistant head coach, all African American. First 402 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:56,600 Speaker 1: time in NFL history that's happened. But all basically everyone 403 00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 1: on that staff had a previous relations and ship with Bruce. 404 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:05,440 Speaker 1: And that was one of Bruce's selling points to the 405 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,399 Speaker 1: Glaziers when he interviewed. By the way, when Bruce went 406 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,239 Speaker 1: in for his interview, you know what he carried with him, 407 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 1: Not a three ring brinder, not like a three year plan. 408 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,720 Speaker 1: He had his wallet and his keys. That's it. That 409 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:23,640 Speaker 1: is it, you know, And that's that's very rare, right, 410 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:27,159 Speaker 1: And I think he dropped his first F bomb in 411 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,720 Speaker 1: about three minutes into the interview. But the Glaziers had 412 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:35,520 Speaker 1: seen them, I think the Amazon series All or Nothing, 413 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:40,240 Speaker 1: So they knew Bruce's colorful language and so they weren't 414 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 1: shocked by that. And and so yeah, so Bruce interviewed 415 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 1: and he said, look, the stars have aligned because I 416 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:52,400 Speaker 1: can get Todd Bowles, I can get Byron Left, which Left, 417 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,960 Speaker 1: which had been fired from after getting a very brief 418 00:27:56,080 --> 00:28:02,040 Speaker 1: tryout as the oc in Arizona and Iron had Run 419 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:06,320 Speaker 1: had been Bruce's quarterback in Pittsburgh, and and Bruce has 420 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,200 Speaker 1: and Bruce took the job on the condition, I shouldn't say, 421 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,879 Speaker 1: Chris Bruce's wife let Bruce take the job on the 422 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 1: condition that he give up play calling duties because she 423 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,720 Speaker 1: was worried that he was going to basically stroke out 424 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 1: on the sideline because he'd be so gets so stressed. 425 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:27,400 Speaker 1: But to Bruce, Byron can actually, uh call the offense 426 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:31,119 Speaker 1: better than him because even though he designed it, he 427 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:34,359 Speaker 1: never played it and Left which has played it. Not 428 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 1: only that Left, which was the same style of quarterback 429 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 1: as Brady, not mobile, have to make place from the 430 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 1: pocket and maneuver around. And so the two had so 431 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:51,520 Speaker 1: much in common. And so Bruce knew everybody he wanted 432 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 1: to hire right away. And and funny thing is like 433 00:28:56,280 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 1: next day, Uh, the Bucks had Bruce take a physical risk. 434 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 1: Is a little nervous about this and after you know, 435 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 1: getting poked and prodded in places where he'd never been 436 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 1: poked or prodded. Before the doctor comes out and he's like, Doc, 437 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 1: did I pass? Did I pass? He's like, yeah, I 438 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,600 Speaker 1: give you a D plus C minus and Bruce's like, yes, 439 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 1: I didn't call it. I passed. You know, you did 440 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,400 Speaker 1: a wrote a book with Nick Saban ten years ago, 441 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,800 Speaker 1: if I recall, right, Yeah, I wrote a book. I've 442 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 1: written actually two books on Nick, one of us called 443 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,720 Speaker 1: A Storm and the Tide about. Yes, about I think 444 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,720 Speaker 1: that's what you're referring to about the tornado that Rippedst. 445 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,360 Speaker 1: Alabama on April twenty seven, two thousand and eleven. So 446 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,480 Speaker 1: you so you're a professor at Alabama and journalism, so 447 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 1: you know Nick and you know Arians. I would see 448 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 1: them as two completely different people and and I'm sure 449 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:59,560 Speaker 1: there are several distinctions. Are there any similarities between the 450 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 1: two personalities. That's a great question. I've never been asked 451 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 1: that before. Um. I think the intensity with which they 452 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:13,320 Speaker 1: approach UM and I Also, I think there is a 453 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 1: misconception of Nick Saban that he doesn't have personal relationships 454 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 1: with his players. You know, Bruce was on Bear Bryant's 455 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:29,480 Speaker 1: final staff. Yeah, right, and I this has to be correct, 456 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:33,760 Speaker 1: But Bruce must be the only active coach who still 457 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:40,320 Speaker 1: has direct ties to Bear Bryant and um and and 458 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:45,160 Speaker 1: and Bear Bryant's philosophy was uh and This is Bruce's philosophy. 459 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,000 Speaker 1: Bruce has one picture hanging in his office and that 460 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 1: that's a Bear Bryant, and it is uh coached them hard, 461 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:57,600 Speaker 1: hug them harder, and and Nick Saban doesn't seem like 462 00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 1: this touchy feely guy, but yet he is very much 463 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:07,600 Speaker 1: a paternal figure to his players in the same way 464 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,160 Speaker 1: that you know I mentioned I showed the other day 465 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,640 Speaker 1: that Bruce wants to be viewed as the cool uncle 466 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:14,640 Speaker 1: you want to have a beer with. But at the 467 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:20,840 Speaker 1: same time, you know he will certainly dispense words of 468 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:24,440 Speaker 1: wisdom and be there for his players when they're having 469 00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:29,040 Speaker 1: off the field issues. You know, last year there came 470 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,960 Speaker 1: a point when Leonard Fournette was not getting the ball 471 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,800 Speaker 1: very much right and several games and there was one 472 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,680 Speaker 1: I think it was a walk through practice where Fournette 473 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 1: just sat on his helmet the entire time, didn't participate, 474 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 1: and Bruce called him over and said, look, t take 475 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:51,280 Speaker 1: twenty minutes, go into the locker room, call wherever you 476 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,000 Speaker 1: need to call, and then come back out here and 477 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,960 Speaker 1: tell me if I need to cut you. And again 478 00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:00,120 Speaker 1: using very colorful language. I apologize for the language. I 479 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:04,720 Speaker 1: love it. This is why the God created podcast. Um 480 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:07,480 Speaker 1: and tell me, tell me if I need to cut you. 481 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,440 Speaker 1: And then Furnett did that, comes back out and says 482 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:15,680 Speaker 1: coach were good. And since then, Leonard Fournette not been 483 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,720 Speaker 1: an issue. And you know what, he respected Ruth so 484 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 1: much he resigns with the Bucks for this year. And uh. 485 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,320 Speaker 1: And you could make the argument that the Bucks don't 486 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,240 Speaker 1: win the Super Bowl last year without Leonard Fournette. You 487 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,400 Speaker 1: know when when when Brady made that key throw in 488 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:36,320 Speaker 1: the NFC Championship game, uh, to Scottie Miller right before half, 489 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,800 Speaker 1: right the touchdown that Tampa scored, You know who threw 490 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:43,240 Speaker 1: the key block on that It was Leonard Fournette. Without 491 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 1: Furnette making that block, Brady doesn't have time to make 492 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 1: that throw. And that's the key play, I would argue, 493 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,480 Speaker 1: not just of that game, but of the season, uh, 494 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:58,200 Speaker 1: for for the Bucks. Interestingly, speaking of relationship, Tom Brady 495 00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:03,800 Speaker 1: and Antonio Brown have a I would imagine the most 496 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:09,720 Speaker 1: a surprisingly close relationship. Yeah. I mean when it was 497 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:15,560 Speaker 1: Tom was constantly going into the offices of BA and 498 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:19,680 Speaker 1: Jason light again the general manager saying, we gotta sign Antonio, 499 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:23,720 Speaker 1: we gotta sign Antonio. Gotta sign Antonio, and he kind 500 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:27,720 Speaker 1: of just wore them out. And so finally they called 501 00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:31,760 Speaker 1: Antonio in after some of his legal stuff had been resolved. 502 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:37,200 Speaker 1: They get him into the building and Antonio said all 503 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 1: the right things and and so Bruce and Jason decided 504 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,880 Speaker 1: to take a chance again. This is almost like more 505 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:49,600 Speaker 1: blind faith in Tom. And I don't want to overstate 506 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:53,720 Speaker 1: that Tom played this role of general of assistant general manager, 507 00:33:54,440 --> 00:34:01,000 Speaker 1: but he certainly impacted the influence or impacted the decisions 508 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:05,960 Speaker 1: that Jason Jason Light ultimately made. And then you know, 509 00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:10,000 Speaker 1: when Antonio flies in the Tampa, he doesn't nobody in Tampa, 510 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,799 Speaker 1: so Tom actually picks him up at the airport. Who 511 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,400 Speaker 1: picks up people at the airport these days? Calling? And 512 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:20,960 Speaker 1: then h you know, Tom was living in Derek Jeter's mansion, 513 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:27,760 Speaker 1: the biggest house in Tampa. He recently sold. Jeter recently 514 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:31,000 Speaker 1: sold it, but he and Gizelle lived there last year 515 00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:36,440 Speaker 1: and Antonio Brown stayed with him for a week or 516 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:40,920 Speaker 1: two and just the two would go over the playbook together. 517 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:45,040 Speaker 1: And now, well, you just go back to last season 518 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,440 Speaker 1: how important Antonio Brown became to that team. And I 519 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:52,320 Speaker 1: think I know he's hurt right now, but moving forward 520 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,120 Speaker 1: this year, Antonio Brown is going to be an immensely 521 00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:59,319 Speaker 1: important player for Tampa Bay. Well, they have so much 522 00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:04,600 Speaker 1: depth on the roster, gronk and ab older players. This 523 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:08,360 Speaker 1: is the value of depth Alabama football has. This. You 524 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,000 Speaker 1: can rest players an extra week or two. They've got 525 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:14,200 Speaker 1: depth at wide receiver and tight end. That's kind of 526 00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:18,480 Speaker 1: the unspoken edge Tampa really has is that when you 527 00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,680 Speaker 1: have that kind of depth in the defensive line, wide receiver, 528 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,719 Speaker 1: and tight end, you don't have to rush anybody back. 529 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,719 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, Kyler Murray this week may play 530 00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:31,960 Speaker 1: for Arizona and they're acknowledging he could literally set out 531 00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,440 Speaker 1: three games and that would probably be the perfect anecdote 532 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:39,239 Speaker 1: to his injury. But you know, if you don't want me, 533 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:43,160 Speaker 1: sorry to interrupt, what was your reaction when you first 534 00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,920 Speaker 1: got word that Tom Brady was signing with the Bucks. 535 00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:51,480 Speaker 1: I actually, in a bit of good fortune, broke the story. 536 00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,680 Speaker 1: I was on the air in Sherman Oaks, California, End 537 00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:59,400 Speaker 1: Up Building, and a friend of mine, who is not 538 00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:05,040 Speaker 1: an NFL source, he's a basketball source, but he hangs 539 00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:11,520 Speaker 1: in a very elite world, said call me during the break. 540 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,239 Speaker 1: He's a fan of the show I did, and he said, 541 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:20,560 Speaker 1: Giselle said he can play in Tampa. Tampa, Florida works. 542 00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:24,680 Speaker 1: They're not doing cold Weather. LA's too far away. I 543 00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,640 Speaker 1: literally hung the phone up, came back, went on the 544 00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:30,680 Speaker 1: air with it, and for the only time in my life, 545 00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,400 Speaker 1: I beat Jay Glazer and Adam Schefter to a story. 546 00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:40,440 Speaker 1: And my initial reaction laws was, oh, wait, it makes sense. 547 00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:50,440 Speaker 1: Carolina Atlanta had quarterbacks that were older. Drew Brees was older. 548 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,360 Speaker 1: So part of Tom's success in New England was it 549 00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:59,000 Speaker 1: was a dysfunctional, chaotic division. So here you had older 550 00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:01,920 Speaker 1: Matt Ryan. Drew Brees is close to the end the 551 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:05,960 Speaker 1: Cam Newton situation that had sort of peaked. And the 552 00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:09,960 Speaker 1: other thing was Tom's like a lot of people that 553 00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,640 Speaker 1: moved to Florida. Tom is older, He's a California kid. 554 00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:15,400 Speaker 1: He's tired of the cold weather. And I'm like, oh, 555 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,600 Speaker 1: this makes sense. They're loaded at wide receiver. He had 556 00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:23,879 Speaker 1: a very intense, intense, no fun coach. Now he goes 557 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:28,399 Speaker 1: to cocktails at five Bruce loaded at wide receiver, warm weather. 558 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,040 Speaker 1: And I've always believed, Lars, this is kind of one 559 00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,120 Speaker 1: of my theories because I've moved to different networks and 560 00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:37,600 Speaker 1: different jobs. When you leave a place that you've been successful, 561 00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:43,400 Speaker 1: you take seventy five to eighty percent of the system 562 00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:48,920 Speaker 1: that worked for you, but you choose a place that 563 00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:52,080 Speaker 1: has two or three things the other place didn't have. 564 00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:56,800 Speaker 1: The coach in New England too intense, the wide receiver's awful, 565 00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:01,040 Speaker 1: the weather in playoff time brutal, and so the moment 566 00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:04,040 Speaker 1: it happens, I'm like, oh, check, check check. Those are 567 00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:07,440 Speaker 1: the three things that New England could not provide him with. 568 00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:09,960 Speaker 1: In fact, large, my biggest concern, and I said this 569 00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:13,359 Speaker 1: multiple times, was I lived in Tampa for two years, 570 00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:17,960 Speaker 1: very laid back. There's almost an island culture, Ibor city. 571 00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:22,320 Speaker 1: Meeta there at five thirty, I said, how will Tampa 572 00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:26,920 Speaker 1: deal with Tom's intensity? I'm like, I'm not worried about, 573 00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:31,320 Speaker 1: you know, completing passes in football, but I've seen Tom's 574 00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:35,759 Speaker 1: scream at Bill O'Brien and Josh McDaniel. I covered the 575 00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:37,759 Speaker 1: team for two years. I love the Glazers, but I'm like, 576 00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:41,840 Speaker 1: it's a loose culture there. It is not intense, and 577 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:47,160 Speaker 1: as your book chronicles, the players were almost begging to 578 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:51,160 Speaker 1: be coached. They were begging for that intensity so long 579 00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:53,719 Speaker 1: story short or short story long. That was kind of 580 00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:57,560 Speaker 1: my reaction. I'm completely shocked that it worked, but I 581 00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,480 Speaker 1: was more concerned not about the fitting personnel, the fitting 582 00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:07,360 Speaker 1: personality with Tom, and I know that Tom really enjoyed 583 00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:11,480 Speaker 1: the fact that if it's a one pm Eastern kickoff, 584 00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:18,120 Speaker 1: he could be at the Jeter Mansion by about five 585 00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:23,440 Speaker 1: o'clock in the pool, hanging out with Gazelle and just 586 00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:27,200 Speaker 1: love and life because where he was living it was 587 00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:32,279 Speaker 1: not far from from Raymond James Stadium. And one book place, yeah, 588 00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:34,480 Speaker 1: before we Let You Go, And the book is A 589 00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:36,840 Speaker 1: Season in the Sun, The inside story of Bruce arians 590 00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,240 Speaker 1: Tom Brady, The Making of a Champion by Lars Anderson, 591 00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:41,520 Speaker 1: who's a journalism professor at Alabama, has been so kind 592 00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:44,479 Speaker 1: to give us thirty minutes. But it's it's a fascinating book, 593 00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:47,520 Speaker 1: and I think it's the great dynasty in American sports, 594 00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:50,359 Speaker 1: Kobe and Shack. You get about four to five years 595 00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:53,479 Speaker 1: out of these folks, Steph KD four to five years, 596 00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:57,399 Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Steelers, Chuck Noll. You don't get twenty, you don't 597 00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:59,960 Speaker 1: you don't get two ten year dynasties. It doesn't work 598 00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:02,840 Speaker 1: that way. So I continue to think it's along with 599 00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:07,680 Speaker 1: the Michael Jordan documentary, it chronicles one of the most 600 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:13,080 Speaker 1: fascinating stories of my sports life. You know, it's funny 601 00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:16,920 Speaker 1: talking about that. The Michael Jordan documentary showed you how 602 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,399 Speaker 1: damn difficult it was. Michael was the best looking player, 603 00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,759 Speaker 1: the most stylish player, the best player, his GM, his 604 00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:27,440 Speaker 1: owner Rodman Pippin. You know, you look back at New 605 00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:32,480 Speaker 1: England and to wrap it up, you didn't hear a 606 00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:35,759 Speaker 1: lot about it. Tom was sort of the good soldier, right. 607 00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:37,839 Speaker 1: He took the message. He used to do a morning 608 00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:41,800 Speaker 1: show on Mondays for Boston Radio to spread the gospel 609 00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:45,680 Speaker 1: of Belichick. And I think I really do think Lars, 610 00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,480 Speaker 1: and you'll have insight on this. I think for fifteen 611 00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:53,160 Speaker 1: years it really did work. And then I think about 612 00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,719 Speaker 1: the last four or five after that Atlanta Super Bowl, 613 00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,839 Speaker 1: I think Tom kind of felt like, Okay, I'm four 614 00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:02,800 Speaker 1: year old Tom, now like I am the greatest altime. 615 00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:06,200 Speaker 1: Even Joe Montana acknowledge that guy's better than me. But 616 00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,640 Speaker 1: I do think Lars, for fifteen years he was a 617 00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:15,200 Speaker 1: very happy player with Belichick. I agree, and um, you know, 618 00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:19,280 Speaker 1: for the most part, Belichick didn't treat him any different 619 00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:23,080 Speaker 1: than other players. And uh, you know, when I was 620 00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:26,919 Speaker 1: talking to Bruce about Tom, like, Hey, do you treat 621 00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,840 Speaker 1: Tom different, He's like, Hell yeah, I treat him different. 622 00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,239 Speaker 1: He can take any days off he wants, you know, 623 00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:36,040 Speaker 1: And if he wants to come into my office and 624 00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,680 Speaker 1: tell me that that we need to change the game plan, 625 00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,560 Speaker 1: I'm going to listen, and most likely I'm gonna do it. 626 00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:45,880 Speaker 1: Of course, Bruce, you know, he's a very he's a 627 00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:51,239 Speaker 1: very strong, very strong personality, and and so it's not 628 00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,280 Speaker 1: gonna be just like Okay, Tom gets whatever he wants. 629 00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:57,680 Speaker 1: I mean, Bruce will light him up right and not 630 00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:01,000 Speaker 1: afraid to do that either behind closed doors or in 631 00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:03,640 Speaker 1: front of the media when he thinks that Tom's made 632 00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:06,759 Speaker 1: a mistake. But I think Tom appreciates that honesty, and 633 00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:11,560 Speaker 1: he appreciates the relationship that they have and the open 634 00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:16,279 Speaker 1: communication and they just like sitting around bullshitting with each 635 00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:19,800 Speaker 1: other at Colin. I mean, they really enjoy each other's company. 636 00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:24,839 Speaker 1: And I don't know if Tom. I don't never had 637 00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:29,200 Speaker 1: that at Michigan, never had that with Belichick, and he's 638 00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,080 Speaker 1: got that with Bruce. And I think Bruce it truly 639 00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:35,480 Speaker 1: is He's like an uncle to Tom. Right, he's the 640 00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:39,720 Speaker 1: guy who's ultimately in charge, but he is the uncle 641 00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:41,960 Speaker 1: to Tom. One last point I want to make, and 642 00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:47,000 Speaker 1: I thought this was just absolutely fascinating. Was the boat parade. 643 00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:51,800 Speaker 1: Who else in the United States, who else in America 644 00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:58,520 Speaker 1: could be publicly intoxicated and yet and yet become more 645 00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:02,120 Speaker 1: popular because of it? And I think that that moment 646 00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:05,480 Speaker 1: humanized Tom. And I love the fact, you know, the 647 00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:09,920 Speaker 1: throwing of the Lombardi Trophy, the one voice of reason 648 00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:14,799 Speaker 1: is Tom's daughter yelling no Daddy, no daddy. He does 649 00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,839 Speaker 1: it anyway, And uh, I mean, it may have been 650 00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:21,040 Speaker 1: the greatest sort of championship parade of all time. And 651 00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:23,240 Speaker 1: I know it sort of like broke all these COVID 652 00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:26,640 Speaker 1: protocols and everything, but man, they had a good time 653 00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:33,360 Speaker 1: and hum again that that to me was just the 654 00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:39,759 Speaker 1: moment where Tom became a true Floridian, It became a 655 00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:46,680 Speaker 1: true buck. Was was that championship? Yeah? You could. Tampa's 656 00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:50,160 Speaker 1: always had And I go back to Ebor City when 657 00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:52,800 Speaker 1: I was there, it's a party town. Now it's old, 658 00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:55,800 Speaker 1: there's a lot of people over fifty five sixty, but 659 00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:59,400 Speaker 1: it's always sort of had a loose fun tropical culture. 660 00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,600 Speaker 1: And when I look back at that parade and then 661 00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:05,320 Speaker 1: after it Tom, somebody had their arm around Tom and 662 00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:11,120 Speaker 1: he's quarterback. That would have been seen as almost lars 663 00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:18,239 Speaker 1: inappropriate in Foxborough. In fact, it was totally accepted and 664 00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:22,600 Speaker 1: embraced in Tampa. It's like, Tom, this is us, this 665 00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:26,320 Speaker 1: is who we are. We celebrate, we get a little tipsy, 666 00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:28,960 Speaker 1: and I think you really make a point, is that 667 00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:33,320 Speaker 1: that is the reason he chose Tampa. He's been funnier, 668 00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:37,480 Speaker 1: he's better on social media, he's a funnier interview. It 669 00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:40,040 Speaker 1: felt like he was at a prep school with a 670 00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:44,040 Speaker 1: really stern chancellor and now he's at a really cool 671 00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:47,719 Speaker 1: public school where the teachers like the students. That's what 672 00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:51,200 Speaker 1: it feels like to me. It's it's a great analogy. 673 00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:56,760 Speaker 1: It's a great analogy. And the players they love Bruces 674 00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:01,120 Speaker 1: because he's a straight shooter, and but he also wants 675 00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:04,280 Speaker 1: to know sort of what is going on in your life? 676 00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:08,520 Speaker 1: How can I help you? What sort of advice can 677 00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:11,440 Speaker 1: I give you if you need anything? What's going on 678 00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:15,400 Speaker 1: with your girlfriend or your wife? Do you want to 679 00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:18,800 Speaker 1: talk about it? And Bruce's door is always open, and 680 00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:21,840 Speaker 1: you know, I've gotten to know Bruce very well obviously 681 00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:27,240 Speaker 1: over the years, and I think the world of them. Laaras, 682 00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:32,320 Speaker 1: this was an absolute pleasure for me. Please, folks, indulge 683 00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:35,319 Speaker 1: in the book. It's terrific. And I love people who 684 00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:39,480 Speaker 1: deeply care about sports and can share stories because I've 685 00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:42,799 Speaker 1: always thought that what makes my job so much fun 686 00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:48,960 Speaker 1: is just the connection, the emotional connection fans, media athletes, 687 00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:50,920 Speaker 1: and when you can break it down, be it a 688 00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:53,600 Speaker 1: Michael Jordan documentary or a book like this and share 689 00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:57,520 Speaker 1: with people, it just the visceral connection between them and 690 00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:00,760 Speaker 1: us and the fans in the middle is so much stronger. 691 00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:04,880 Speaker 1: I think it's wonderful work, great storytelling, laws and continue success. 692 00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:07,440 Speaker 1: And if you see Nick Saban, I really do love him. 693 00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:11,919 Speaker 1: I think the world of him. Say hi, please, I will, 694 00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:13,920 Speaker 1: I will. I'll probably see him my heir in a 695 00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:17,440 Speaker 1: few days, so yes, I'll pass along your regards. All right, 696 00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:20,000 Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Lars, Thank you so much calling 697 00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:27,080 Speaker 1: for having me. All Right, everybody, please subscribe to our 698 00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:33,840 Speaker 1: YouTube channel. So much free stuff, wonderful more of me. 699 00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:39,719 Speaker 1: America needs more of me. I think that's understood. The 700 00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:55,880 Speaker 1: volume sports, the volume