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Speaker 1: The San Antonio District judge resigns after a federal corruption probe.

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Speaker 2: A former San Antonio, Texas judge goes to federal prison

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Speaker 2: after pleading guilty to accepting bribes in exchange for rigging

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Speaker 2: cases in his court. Angus McGuinty committed the ultimate judicial sin.

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Speaker 2: Why did you do it?

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Speaker 3: I did it because I was foolish.

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Speaker 2: Listen to How to Bribe a Judge on Revolver podcast

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Speaker 2: dot com, Apple podcast, Stitcher, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Speaker 4: The following podcast is a TJ. Desantas production. Comments, questions,

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Speaker 4: and inquiries can be sent to desantisprad at gmail dot com.

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Speaker 5: The John Annick and Kenny Florian.

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Speaker 4: Podcast John Anick, Kenny Florian, you want to podcast?

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Speaker 3: Great?

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Speaker 5: I have some audio on your website that nobody goes to.

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Speaker 5: You're your hosts, John Annick and Kenny Florian.

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Speaker 6: Oh Man, is it great to be back with to you?

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Speaker 6: It is Monday, January twenty first. The year is twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 6: This is episode one hundred and eighty seven of The

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Speaker 6: Anakin Flooring Podcast and Ken Full How about TJ Distantus?

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Speaker 6: He won't even let me announce that he is back

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Speaker 6: producing this program before firing his.

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Speaker 7: Sounder off the top. Man, I don't know how I

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Speaker 7: feel about it, but here we are.

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Speaker 8: It's good to have TJ back, man, but it's good

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Speaker 8: to be back. It really is awesome to be talking

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Speaker 8: to him.

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Speaker 3: I'm man.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, not unlike the New England Patriots Ken Flow.

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Speaker 6: We are still here, kid, and we will have some

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Speaker 6: stuff on the NFL if our audience actually wanted to

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Speaker 6: hear us talk about the NFL, given those two championship

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Speaker 6: games yesterday, we could do forty five minutes or an

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Speaker 6: will not do that today. We're going to obviously spend

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Speaker 6: most of the show on that UFC debut on ESPN.

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Speaker 6: Huge win for Henry Shudo and several others. Ray Longo

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Speaker 6: going to join us here shortly. Of course. We're excited

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Speaker 6: to catch up with him because we missed him in

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Speaker 6: our final episode of twenty eighteen. First though, and I'll

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Speaker 6: try to keep this brief, but we just both wanted

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Speaker 6: to thank our listeners, you know, many of whom have

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Speaker 6: been with us really since the show launched four years

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Speaker 6: ago in twenty fifteen, and we took two weeks off

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Speaker 6: over the last two weeks, and that's something we had

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Speaker 6: never done before, and we heard from a lot of

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Speaker 6: you guys, and I know I speak for Kenny when

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Speaker 6: I say we both really appreciated that. I just want

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Speaker 6: to say off the top, there are a lot of

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Speaker 6: different elements that go into a podcast, getting it sold,

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Speaker 6: getting it produced. You know, Kenny and I would sit here

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Speaker 6: do the show for free. TJ Desanta Sa can do

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Speaker 6: the show for free, and I respect that, but also

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Speaker 6: making sure that if we're going to commit to do

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Speaker 6: this indefinitely, as we've done for four years, that we

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Speaker 6: content that you've come to expect. So we feel like

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Speaker 6: this is the best way for us to give back

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Speaker 6: to the MMA fans around the world that have given

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Speaker 6: us a lot over the years, just by providing weekly

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Speaker 6: content that is consistent, that is free, that is dependable,

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Speaker 6: and hopefully, Kenny it's interesting and maybe unique to some

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Speaker 6: of the other podcasts that are out there, but we're

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Speaker 6: happy to be here a new distribution partner in Revolver.

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Speaker 6: Show is still gonna be on iTunes and SoundCloud. You'll

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Speaker 6: see it on other platforms Spotify and Pandora. No video

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Speaker 6: plans as yet, but I can assure you if we

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Speaker 7: Right.

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Speaker 6: So the video has been exclusive to the US when

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Speaker 6: want to see Kenny Florian live and in color. And

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Speaker 6: I promise you we're going to give the people in

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Speaker 6: I'm excited to be back.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 8: Well, I'm not sure they want to see Kenny Florian,

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Speaker 8: The feedback, I mean the dms and the messages on

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Speaker 7: I guess they like us, Aanik. That's a good thing.

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Speaker 6: I mean, if you read deep enough into the comments,

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Speaker 7: But that's okay.

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Speaker 6: That's okay because I'll tell you, if the Patriots win

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Speaker 7: So if you don't like me. Now, oh wait, I

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Speaker 6: So we're gonna get into Henry Shudo and everything else

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Speaker 6: here shortly. But thank you all for sticking with us

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Speaker 6: through the transition, and we love you and we're not

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Speaker 6: going anywhere in terms of the NFL. Very quickly tweet

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Speaker 6: here from Daniel Cormier, our dear friend, my broadcast partner Kenny.

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Speaker 6: He was with his kids at the Superdome yesterday as

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Speaker 6: they watched their New Orleans Saints failed to.

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Speaker 7: Advance against the Los Angeles Ramps. There was a terrible call.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, nothing worse than going to a big game and

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Speaker 6: having your team come up short. But DC was in

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Speaker 6: Twitter at DC underscore MMA. The NFL is rigged two

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Speaker 6: City doesn't sound as sexy, right, I don't blame our

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Speaker 6: man DC for being salty. Right, the Saints have had

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Speaker 8: Just totally loses. He's upset. I get it, double champ.

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Speaker 8: But guess what what are we calling Brady by now?

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Speaker 7: What like the the the champ Champ Champ, Champ Champ.

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Speaker 7: I don't even know. Oh my goodness, but listen, I

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Speaker 7: get it. He's upset. It was a terrible, terrible call.

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Speaker 8: And then there were people saying that he the Patriots go,

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Speaker 8: look you, that was a terrible call on the I'm.

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Speaker 7: Brady, you know when that arm.

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Speaker 8: That came down that didn't get and I get that

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Speaker 8: that was not a good call, But the Patriots had

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Speaker 8: And of course in the NFC game, that call for

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Speaker 7: Unfortunately, that's never going away.

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Speaker 8: I think as far as refereeing, it should be as

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Speaker 7: But it's unfortunate all the way around.

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Speaker 6: Man, And there's certainly some parallels in MMA, and we're

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Speaker 6: I mean, it's a great game and it was a

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Speaker 6: So there's still a lot in front of the Patriots.

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Speaker 6: They got to seal the deal. But again, it was

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Speaker 6: a tough day for the Tom Brady haters. And I

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Speaker 6: guess if I didn't work for ESPN now Ken Flow,

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Speaker 6: I might have to go back to New York City

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Speaker 6: and wait for Max Kellerman outside the studio and see

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Speaker 6: if we could throw hands. But I'm not gonna do that.

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Speaker 6: I'm not gonna push out any tweets because TB twelve

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Speaker 7: His own, all right.

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Speaker 6: Henry Sahudo Olympic gold medal in two thousand and eight.

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Speaker 6: Ten years later twenty eighteen, inducted into the National Wrestling

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Speaker 8: Unbelievable man, And listen, a lot of times you're one

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Speaker 8: And I think when you did something like that, when

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Speaker 8: And I think he carried that momentum, in that confidence

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Speaker 7: I mean, Shuno should be called the Golden Boy.

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Speaker 8: If there's someone who should be called the Goldi Boy,

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Speaker 8: I like that golden boy, Moniker, I really do, and

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Speaker 8: win that his career ten, fifteen, twenty years from now

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Speaker 8: he's he's intimating, you know, how can TJ. Dilashaw now

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Speaker 7: You know what I mean?

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Speaker 6: So this was one of the risks, of course for

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Speaker 6: Dila Shaw is that if you do lose that fight

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Speaker 6: a little bit. But for sahudo legacy wise, Kenny, this

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Speaker 3: That's what I want.

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Speaker 5: The Ray long minute during Ray long John Nik and

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Speaker 6: Well, I don't care if you're driving right now, raise

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Speaker 7: Raymond, good morning.

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Speaker 3: Good morning John. You knocked it out of the park.

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Speaker 7: I agree with you, man.

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Speaker 6: No, there's certainly enough talent to sustain the division. But

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Speaker 6: he was custom made to compete in mixed martial arts

437
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Speaker 6: at one hundred and twenty five pounds. So if you're

438
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Speaker 6: Dana White, though, Ray, if your Dana right, what do

439
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Speaker 6: you do right? Because you you have half ay Ali

440
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Speaker 6: Sansal and Marlon but Ice waiting in the in the

441
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Speaker 6: wings at one hundred and thirty five pounds.

442
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Speaker 7: They fight in the main event two weeks from now.

443
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Speaker 6: So that'll give you some clarity at thirty five, I mean,

444
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Speaker 6: do you run this thing back because it only lasted

445
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Speaker 6: thirty two seconds?

446
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Speaker 7: And if you do, which weight class do you do it? Uh?

447
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Speaker 3: Look, I think look again, from you know, a likability standpoint.

448
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Speaker 3: You know, the worst Ilishaw got, the better Henry Shudo got,

449
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Speaker 3: you know what I mean, the more he pounded, the

450
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Speaker 3: more that guy said, i'll fight yet anyway. Players, So

451
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Speaker 3: I think it's fit to fight at one thirty five.

452
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Speaker 3: I think I think it was. You know, I believe

453
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Speaker 3: Dili Shore was very you know, focused on making that weight,

454
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Speaker 3: which is admirable, and I think he deserves a shot

455
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Speaker 3: at one thirty five against the who doo, And I think,

456
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Speaker 3: so who We'll do So I'm Dana White and make

457
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Speaker 3: that fight at one thirty five.

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Speaker 8: The only thing I think that's probably the right move logistically.

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Speaker 8: The only thing is what does that say about one

460
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Speaker 8: hundred and twenty five pound division?

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Speaker 7: You know what I mean? It doesn't bode well for

462
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Speaker 7: that division.

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Speaker 3: If you let that happen, Well, that's that's a good point,

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Speaker 3: you know. I'm you asked me. I mean, I'm saying

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Speaker 3: that's what I think is the right thing from that,

466
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Speaker 3: like the right standpoint, you know what I mean. I

467
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Speaker 3: think that's the right thing. That's admirable. But no, if

468
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Speaker 3: it's gonna crush the one twenty five division, then I

469
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Speaker 3: say no. But I wouldn't want to say no at

470
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Speaker 3: the expense of Sam Henry doesn't want to fight him

471
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Speaker 3: at one thirty five, because I think Henry will fight

472
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Speaker 3: him at any rate class, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: So I don't think it's right to him, But I

474
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Speaker 3: wouldn't want to see the one twenty five pound division

475
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Speaker 3: crushed because he goes.

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Speaker 7: Up for risk a fight.

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Speaker 3: You know. Let him take a title defense at twenty

478
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Speaker 3: five and then do the fight in a couple of months.

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Speaker 6: I don't want to ask you about Greg Hardy at

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Speaker 6: the expense of getting your take on Gregor go Illlespie,

481
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Speaker 6: So time permitting, I'm gonna lead with Gillespie, who is

482
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Speaker 6: now six and zero in the UFC. I think thirteen

483
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Speaker 6: to zero overall. He has the longest finish streak. I

484
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Speaker 6: believe in the UFC, and this is a New Yorker

485
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Speaker 6: who I think can be the UFC lightweight Champion of

486
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Speaker 6: the world. I think there are a couple of matchups

487
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Speaker 6: in that top five that maybe aren't all that favorable.

488
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Speaker 6: But what are your thoughts on Gillespie and just how

489
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Speaker 6: a trit of he is man? I mean, I understand

490
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Speaker 6: Yantiy Maderius didn't have a number next to his name,

491
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Speaker 6: but this Gillespie is going to be a problem in

492
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Speaker 6: my mind for a lot of guys in this top ten.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, I mean, look, obviously from a control standpoint,

494
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Speaker 3: the guys phenomenal. DC said it on the broadcast, and

495
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Speaker 3: he's right. When Gillespie gets on Topia, he is really

496
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Speaker 3: hard to shake off. So I mean, look, the only

497
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Speaker 3: time will tell to see He's gotta definitely up his

498
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Speaker 3: competition to see what happened there. But he's definitely on

499
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Speaker 3: the right track. And I can tell you for anybody

500
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Speaker 3: is you know him getting on top of Hea, he's

501
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Speaker 3: definitely a problem. What I've heard through the grapevine, and

502
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Speaker 3: you know I had there was a kid in the

503
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Speaker 3: gym that that wrestled him in college and you know,

504
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Speaker 3: I looked at the match. His his riding time or

505
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Speaker 3: his top control is pretty fucking good, man, So he's

506
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Speaker 3: playing to his strengths. I don't know if that's going

507
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Speaker 3: to be a crowd favorite or not, but uh, you know,

508
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Speaker 3: he's definitely he's definitely gonna be wrestling.

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Speaker 7: For sure, Kenny, I'll get your thoughts.

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Speaker 3: But he did. But what was that? No?

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Speaker 7: Nothing? Go ahead?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 8: No?

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Speaker 3: And I think that's it. He's look right now, I

515
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Speaker 3: think we have to step up the competition, but he's

516
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Speaker 3: definitely looks like he's got what it takes to become

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Speaker 3: a champion.

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Speaker 7: All right, Kenny. I'll get your thoughts on Gillespie later

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Speaker 7: in the show.

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Speaker 6: Last thing Ray Greg Hardy uh gets disqualified due to

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Speaker 6: illegal me and his UFC debut against Alan crowd are

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Speaker 6: your thoughts?

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Speaker 3: I mean, come on, man, what do you expect at

524
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Speaker 3: this point? I mean, this is gonna be another another

525
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Speaker 3: Tray holding in front of our eyes. I mean, the

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Speaker 3: guy is he wanted out of that fight. It didn't

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Speaker 3: go his way. And I don't even know the guy,

528
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Speaker 3: don't know anything about him, but I gotta tell you

529
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Speaker 3: fight the eyeball test, that guy's not looking too good.

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Speaker 3: You know, he's really Uh that to me was intentional

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Speaker 3: to get out of the fight because he was gassed

532
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Speaker 3: sitting on that stool. He looked completely lost in between

533
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Speaker 3: rounds and uh, the thing he does he doesn't power.

534
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Speaker 3: But that's definitely not going to be enough to get

535
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Speaker 3: him anywhere in this division, you know what I mean.

536
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Speaker 3: So I think it's a I think the guys will lose,

537
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Speaker 3: lose all the way around. Uh again, is anybody surprised

538
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Speaker 3: by that? You know, like I think Steven Schmitzer, Well,

539
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Speaker 3: everybody's gonna go back and look at you know, the Well,

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Speaker 3: what do he wants to look at? You know, his

541
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Speaker 3: track record sucks, you know what, he wants to make

542
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Speaker 3: something up that he's a good guy. He's gonna you

543
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Speaker 3: gotta prove it actions speak oud of him, tell me,

544
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Speaker 3: show me you're a good guy. Do something good. That

545
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Speaker 3: was horrible and he could have really really hurt that guy.

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Speaker 3: That's a big, powerful guy who took a reshot on

547
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Speaker 3: a guy on one knee and that's fucking bullshit.

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Speaker 6: Well yeah, I mean it was certainly the worst case

549
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Speaker 6: scenario for him. I think he made a lot of

550
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Speaker 6: good points. I would respectfully disagree. I did not think

551
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Speaker 6: it was intentional. I did not think it was full velocity,

552
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Speaker 6: which would have been disastrous for Alan Crowder. One thing

553
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Speaker 6: I did take issue with, and I'm not playing Devil's

554
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Speaker 6: advocate here necessarily, but it seemed like Dan Murgliotta was

555
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Speaker 6: so upset in some part because of Greg Hardy's past

556
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Speaker 6: as a domestic abuser.

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Speaker 3: Right.

558
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Speaker 6: I thought Dan Murgliotta in this instance just was so

559
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Speaker 6: angry and bordering on unprofessional to say to the entire arena.

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Speaker 7: Crowder within earshot.

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Speaker 6: You know, it was almost as if the foul happened

562
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Speaker 6: and he's like, you know what, that guy hit a

563
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Speaker 6: woman in the past. So if that guy can't continue,

564
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Speaker 6: I'm disqualifying him. And people are gonna think I'm crazy

565
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Speaker 6: maybe for saying that, But I just thought, in the moment,

566
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Speaker 6: I thought it was just a very green martial artist

567
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Speaker 6: who gassed, who made a rookie mistake.

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Speaker 7: I totally disagree with those who think this was.

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Speaker 3: Okay. Let me ask you something. For a real green

570
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Speaker 3: rookie martial artist, should he have been the co main.

571
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Speaker 7: Event on the Walkley's cause he should not.

572
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Speaker 3: Exactly so, what but what does anybody expect though, So

573
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Speaker 3: who made the rooky mistake? The UFC made the rookie

574
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Speaker 3: mistake by putting him there.

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Speaker 7: I don't disagree.

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Speaker 6: But if but if another guy, in my opinion, if

577
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Speaker 6: another guy who was three and oh had an a

578
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Speaker 6: legal knee like that, you know, he would certainly be

579
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Speaker 6: given some sort of benefit of the doubt. But because

580
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Speaker 6: it's Greg Hardy, I feel like people are just going

581
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Speaker 6: to pile on and just destroy, destroy this guy, right right, Yeah,

582
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Speaker 6: I'm just saying, man, I mean I'm not I'm not

583
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Speaker 6: saying it because I'm a UFC employee, you.

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Speaker 3: Know, no, no, no, no, no, definitely not no, no,

585
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Speaker 3: we're not talking. We're trying to be you know, frank.

586
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Speaker 3: But yeah, man, I don't know, man, I just think

587
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Speaker 3: that whole situation could have been a voided. I don't know, man,

588
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Speaker 3: I don't think the guy should have been there in

589
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Speaker 3: the first place. I thought, you know, the first round

590
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 3: didn't go like his other fights have went. I think

591
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Speaker 3: he's a guy that found a way out, not not

592
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:17,160
Speaker 3: intentionally like to ne him, but in his head, I'd

593
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 3: rather get disqualified than gas out in front of everybody.

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Speaker 3: That That's what I'm saying that. I think that's the

595
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Speaker 3: mindset I'm coming from, not like he wanted to like

596
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Speaker 3: even hurt the guy. But then when I say intentional

597
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:33,400
Speaker 3: like that, there was a lot of leg time in there. Man. Yet, Yeah,

598
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Speaker 3: it wasn't like you were in the heat of the moment.

599
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,439
Speaker 3: It wasn't one of those deals where you're scrambling around

600
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Speaker 3: and you're just swinging and you're happen to catch the

601
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 3: guy in the back of the head. You know. It

602
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 3: was like one Mississippi, two Mississippi, you know, and then

603
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 3: the guy gets me and you're right, it wasn't a

604
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Speaker 3: full force and he looked like a glance. But it's

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00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 3: still the implication of why you know, you know, a

606
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 3: rookie mistake. You don't know the rules. So when you're

607
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Speaker 3: a rookie, you don't know that you know, three strikes

608
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Speaker 3: you around or you know, I don't know. I don't

609
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:05,880
Speaker 3: know about that. I'm not I'm having a hard time

610
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Speaker 3: swallowing that, be sure, all.

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Speaker 6: Right, So well, it's great to have you back. It's

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Speaker 6: great to have the podcast back on a weekly basis.

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Speaker 6: Here on Mondays, last thing before we let you go, like,

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Speaker 6: do you miss being on cameras. This nice because now

615
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Speaker 6: you only have to get like three haircuts a year

616
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Speaker 6: instead of five.

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Speaker 3: No, this is hord this, this is absolutely horrible. I

618
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Speaker 3: miss seeing you guys.

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Speaker 8: Yes, I want to see the longo baby blues. This

620
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Speaker 8: is ridiculous.

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Speaker 7: I can't, I can't look.

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Speaker 3: Johnny, are you saying we're never getting video on?

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Speaker 7: This is no. We will hopefully within a few weeks

624
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Speaker 7: and it will be worldwide.

625
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Speaker 8: Ray, my model contract is have kind of put this on.

626
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Speaker 8: We got to work it out. So once we get

627
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Speaker 8: that figured out.

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Speaker 3: I'm so upset. I got a haircut and I'm not

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Speaker 3: on video today. I have no idea. Very upset.

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Speaker 6: All right, we'll try to get another haircut later in

631
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Speaker 6: the week and we'll talk to you next Monday.

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Speaker 7: Buddy. Thank you all right, guys.

633
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Speaker 3: Really good to be back. And I really thought to

634
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Speaker 3: love you guys got on Twitter and that we all got.

635
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Speaker 3: But you know what I thought was fascinating. It was

636
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Speaker 3: it was great nice to know that people actually listen

637
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Speaker 3: and give his ship and we make the day so

638
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Speaker 3: good stuff. And thank you for everybody who really tweeted out,

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Speaker 3: you know, get the showback on.

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Speaker 7: Thank you Ray.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, good good talking to you guys.

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Speaker 7: We'll see you so all right there.

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Speaker 6: It is the Ray Long Minute every week here on

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Speaker 6: the Anak and Florian Podcast. And we will circle back

645
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Speaker 6: to TJ. Dillashaw Kenny in a second, but might as

646
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Speaker 6: well stay on Greg Hardy here. You know, maybe rookie

647
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Speaker 6: mistake isn't the best language. I understand he trains every

648
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Speaker 6: day in the gym knowing that this is the rule set.

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Speaker 7: But I don't know. I've never been in there.

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Speaker 6: I think sometimes there are instincts and things getting the way.

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Speaker 6: I just I just feel like he was so upset

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Speaker 6: after the fact on the bus he was like crying

653
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Speaker 6: right that his UFC debut was ruined. He did all

654
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 6: the right things during fight week, he has treated our

655
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 6: staff like gold. I just feel like he made an

656
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 6: in fight mistake. I am I nuts.

657
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 8: Well, listen, emotions do get the best to you, right,

658
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 8: And it's unfair in a lot of ways, right. I think, Man,

659
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 8: when someone does something, you know, like what Greg Hardy did,

660
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 8: it's gonna be hard to recover from that. Anything you

661
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 8: do now, you're gonna be the bad guy no matter what.

662
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 8: And I do believe that people can change their lives

663
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 8: around hopefully that's the case with Greg. I don't know

664
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 8: that to be true or not. I know nothing about

665
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 8: the guy. I hope he does. I hope he's learned

666
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 8: from his mistakes and becomes that good guy that we

667
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 8: can all be, you know, proud of.

668
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:30,239
Speaker 7: But I don't know.

669
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 8: Man, Like you know, listen, I think the emotions probably

670
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 8: got the better of him.

671
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 7: I don't think he did that on purpose.

672
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 8: But for a lot of people, they looked at that

673
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 8: and they said, of course he did that, right, that

674
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 8: was of you know, of course Greg. You know he

675
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 8: was gonna do that, so it was unfortunate. I think

676
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 8: that the big thing is this though, Like for me,

677
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 8: why is the UFC putting this guy in a co

678
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 8: main event? Why because of the attention that he gets.

679
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 8: You know, it's not because of his fight experience. It's

680
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 8: not because they think he's a guy who's gonna fight

681
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 8: for the belt in one or two fights.

682
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 7: So why are you putting this guy in that situation.

683
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 8: I don't think it's fair to him, and it's not

684
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 8: fair to the other fighters, and it's not fair to that.

685
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 7: It's not fair to anything like it.

686
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 8: It did not make sense at all, And why the

687
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 8: UFC continues to put these guys the page, vans, ance,

688
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 8: the stage, north cuts, you know, Francis and Gando in

689
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 8: these situations. Sometimes they come through, but I tell you what,

690
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 8: ninety percent of the time they do not build them up.

691
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 8: Build these guys up. Why are you putting them in

692
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 8: these situations?

693
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 7: Now? I don't think Crowder.

694
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 8: I think Crowder was the right match match for the

695
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 8: most part, but don't put him in a comain.

696
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 7: I mean, it doesn't make sense.

697
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 8: I don't understand where this is coming from or why

698
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,959
Speaker 8: they're doing this this early to a guy in his career.

699
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, well largely I agree, and I know TJ has

700
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 6: something on that, so I'll bring you in a second.

701
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 6: But I think there's a frances and Ganu parallel to

702
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 6: be drawn, right. I think you have to isolate the

703
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 6: heavyweights a little bit flow right, because of what heavyweight

704
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,719
Speaker 6: MMA is for mixed martial arts. I mean, you know

705
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 6: they headline heavyweights all the time, right, So I think

706
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 6: there's a heavyweight component to that. And I also think,

707
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 6: unless I'm missing something, this is the most credentialed, most

708
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 6: accomplished football player to ever step foot on that octagon, right,

709
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 6: This was a second team All Pro, an NFL Pro Bowler,

710
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 6: guy who had twenty six sacks combined over two seasons

711
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 6: in twenty twelve and twenty thirteen. So I think you

712
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 6: parlay the football pedigree with the fact that he's a heavyweight,

713
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 6: and maybe that's why he got the push right. But

714
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 6: I agree with you it should have been training wheels

715
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 6: and at least in terms of the card slot, and

716
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 6: it was not.

717
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 7: TJ. What do you have something I want to bring up?

718
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 9: And this goes back to you know what, jurisdiction has

719
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 9: adopted the unified rules and not ever since the whole

720
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 9: playing the game has been introduced with being to the

721
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 9: head of a down toponent. We talk about this and

722
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 9: I think it's time. Nineteen we've changed the rules over

723
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 9: and over and over again. It's time to let knees

724
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 9: to the head of a down opponent be legal. There's

725
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 9: no difference kneeing a guy on a knee compared to

726
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 9: in the fence and in a plump clinch. I think honestly,

727
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 9: more often than not, you're gonna find that the power

728
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 9: to uh a down opponent with a knee is probably

729
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 9: lessened when when they're on the floor. So like, just

730
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 9: why are we still arguing this. We need to change

731
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 9: the rule that way.

732
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 8: I think my only, my only counter to that TJ

733
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 8: is that if he's hurt on the ground and or out,

734
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 8: that's where it that's where it gets tricky. Is now

735
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 8: we have to depend on the referee, where we've seen

736
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 8: a lot of mistakes where guys have followed up with

737
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 8: shots when they didn't need to. I mean, a punch

738
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 8: after a shot is going to be different than let's say,

739
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 8: someone dropping a damn knee down on that person when

740
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 8: they're already out, and that's the big danger. The big

741
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 8: danger happens when someone is all pready concussed or knocked out,

742
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 8: and the follow up shot is the real dangerous one.

743
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 8: And if it comes in the form of a knee,

744
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 8: I think that could be absolutely devastating and more devastating

745
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 8: than say an elbow were a fist.

746
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 7: That's my that's my issue with it.

747
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 9: We have ten years of examples of knees to the

748
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 9: head of a down uponent being legal and Pride Fighting championships,

749
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,399
Speaker 9: and I can only recall one time that there were,

750
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 9: you know, knees that I think really altered a fighter's career.

751
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 9: And that was Mark Mark Coleman fighting along go As,

752
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:31,959
Speaker 9: and go As was what forty five fifty pounds lighter

753
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 9: than them.

754
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 6: So well, yeah, these athletes are agreed, but I think

755
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,959
Speaker 6: it's a yeah, it's a different sport, Teaj.

756
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 8: You know, I think back in back in Pride, I

757
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 8: agree with you that, you know, we luckily we didn't

758
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 8: have anything happened, But first of all, there weren't as

759
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 8: many events as they're happening now, and the athletes and

760
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,399
Speaker 8: the and the and the techniques are so much more

761
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 8: devastating than they were back then, you know. So yeah,

762
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 8: I kind of, I kind of, I kind of agree

763
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 8: with you, TJ. But also I if there's something that

764
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 8: might push us over the line where someone could get

765
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 8: killed or really badly injured, I would say we need

766
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 8: to be a little bit safer.

767
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,240
Speaker 7: I don't know. TJ's just cold blooded.

768
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 6: Kenlow On on your side of this real quick on

769
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 6: the main event in terms of the TJ Dillashaw stuff.

770
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,760
Speaker 6: And I will say too, when I said all class

771
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 6: out of you in the post fight interview, yes, it

772
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 6: was a poor choice of wording. I think it more

773
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 6: for me spoke to everything that he had done over

774
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,320
Speaker 6: the last twelve weeks in the way he handled himself

775
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 6: during fight week. He's one of my favorite people on

776
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,479
Speaker 6: the roster, and I think it's hard for anybody after

777
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 6: a loss like that to sort of put it into context.

778
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 6: He wanted the microphone, I sort of intimated, and he

779
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 6: said yes, So I went over there and we did it.

780
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 6: And that's a decision that me and the UFC Live

781
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 6: production team is just going to have to live with.

782
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 7: Kenny.

783
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 6: He also, I don't know if you saw on Henry

784
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 6: Sohudo's Instagram page when he woke up and had some

785
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 6: time removed from the result, TJ apologized, you know, he

786
00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 6: congratulated Henry sort of more sincerely and said, apologize for

787
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 6: denigrating the win a little bit. So obviously it was

788
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 6: a forgettable post fight press conference for Dila Shaw when

789
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 6: he didn't really own the loss, but at the very

790
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 6: least he did do so after the fact.

791
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 8: The morning after I saw that, I saw that he

792
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:17,240
Speaker 8: went on Sujudo's Instagram, and you know, listen, we're human.

793
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,320
Speaker 8: At the end of the day, we all make mistakes,

794
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 8: we get emotional. Losing in the octagon is the worst

795
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 8: feeling in the world, especially when you're talking about high

796
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:29,839
Speaker 8: stakes like that, and sometimes we let our emotions get

797
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 8: the better of us. And TJ Dilashaw one of the

798
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 8: more competitive people you will ever meet in your life.

799
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 8: He felt that he should have had at least a

800
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:42,359
Speaker 8: few more seconds to go out there and continue to fight,

801
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:45,879
Speaker 8: and he didn't get that. He's bitter about it, and

802
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 8: I totally understand it, and it's unfortunate all the way around.

803
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 6: Now, Dila Shaw said he was far more injured or

804
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 6: compromised when he got cracked by Cody Garbrandt in the

805
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 6: first round of their first meeting, before going on to

806
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:02,800
Speaker 6: knock Cody out than he in this particular situation. But largely, Kenny,

807
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 6: I would agree with you in terms of TJ Dillasar's

808
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 6: flyway future. I did think he looked small. I think

809
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 6: he asked a tremendous amount of his body over twelve weeks,

810
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 6: and I'm not even sure that the Sam Calavitas of

811
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:20,359
Speaker 6: the world, you know, his exercise physiologist, can quantify exactly right,

812
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 6: other than just the sheer numbers, how it affected TJ

813
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 6: and his chin and how it would have affected him

814
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 6: in a twenty five minute championship fight. I'd like to

815
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 6: see this fight at one hundred and thirty five pounds,

816
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:32,359
Speaker 6: And I think for Henry, if you were gonna say

817
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 6: he didn't with zero title defenses, deserve to go up

818
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 6: and challenge TJ and become a two division champion. Now

819
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 6: having beaten TJ, I think he's absolutely worthy of a shot.

820
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 7: To become a simultaneous two division champion.

821
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 8: I think this applies to everyone and everything, and it's

822
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 8: our biggest strength can also be our weakness. And I

823
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 8: think that same kind of mentality that makes TJ. Dilshaw

824
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 8: feel invincible is the same thing that made him vulnerable

825
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 8: in this fight at one hundred and twenty five pounds.

826
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:05,320
Speaker 8: As fighters were supposed to believe that we are unbeatable,

827
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 8: that we can do anything, we can achieve anything, there's

828
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 8: no man that we can't beat up. But you know,

829
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 8: at one hundred and twenty five pounds, dil Shaw just

830
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 8: did not look healthy. He did not look like a

831
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 8: healthy athlete that is ready to fight. Mentally he might

832
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:24,799
Speaker 8: have felt it, but physically he just didn't look like

833
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 8: it to me. And it's unfortunate because I'm sure dil

834
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:32,280
Speaker 8: Shad did everything right. There was so much discipline involved.

835
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:35,359
Speaker 8: There was so much sacrifice just to make that weight.

836
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:37,799
Speaker 8: But when I saw him on fight night, I was

837
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 8: really nervous for him, because again I saw myself at

838
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 8: one hundred and forty five pounds, and I just did

839
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 8: not look healthy. I didn't look like my body was

840
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 8: ready to go out there and fight another professional athlete.

841
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 7: He looked way too skinny. He looked like he lost

842
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:53,760
Speaker 7: a lot of muscle.

843
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 8: I was looking for him to really put that weight

844
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 8: back on and look healthy again, and he did it.

845
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,720
Speaker 8: His eyes didn't look right to me, his neck, his arms,

846
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 8: he just he just looked.

847
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 7: Completely sucked out.

848
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 8: And you never know how the body's gonna react to

849
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 8: something drastic like that. You were denying your body calories

850
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 8: and calories and training like an absolute animal.

851
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 7: Of course you're not gonna feel the same.

852
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 8: And when you're actually able to eat like you normally eat,

853
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,359
Speaker 8: it just doesn't work that way. You can you can

854
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 8: pretend it's gonna be like a certain way. He's fighting

855
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 8: a Henry. He's fighting a Henry Sahudo, an Olympic athlete,

856
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 8: a champion, a guy who had beaten Demitrius Johnson. This

857
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 8: isn't just another one hundred and twenty five pounder. You're

858
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 8: gonna need every advantage you can get, and he didn't

859
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 8: put himself in that situation to win. Yes, if he's

860
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 8: gonna fight Suhudu again, make sure it's one hundred and

861
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:43,879
Speaker 8: thirty five pounds.

862
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 6: I know you didn't give a prediction because we were

863
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 6: not live a week ago, but I know given the

864
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 6: text message you sent me that you would have changed

865
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 6: your pick to Sahudo right when you saw Dela Shai

866
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:55,240
Speaker 6: in the Auk Gun, even if you had picked TJ,

867
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 6: because you just you didn't like the visual. And I

868
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 6: think because he came in and was the first one

869
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 6: to weigh in and was on wait early, you know,

870
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 6: I think a lot of people were encouraged by that.

871
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 6: But again, as I asked him when I am ced

872
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:08,399
Speaker 6: the wigh and you know I stole your line, it's

873
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 6: one thing to make the weight, it's another to compete

874
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 6: at the weight. And I know the sample size here

875
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 6: is short. It was only thirty two seconds, but huge

876
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:16,320
Speaker 6: win for the messenger, Henry Shudo.

877
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 7: We're gonna talk for him the next few weeks here.

878
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 6: He actually asked to come on the show today, but

879
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 6: logistically we're just trying to keep everything tight today because

880
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 6: he wants to talk to you.

881
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 7: Oh, I want to talk to it. I want to

882
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 7: talk to he wants.

883
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:28,839
Speaker 6: To talk to you about the whole snake routine that

884
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 6: you didn't love before the fight. So I told the

885
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 6: captain Eric, how about a scene that that we're gonna

886
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 6: have him on the pod. He's like, oh, he wants it.

887
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 6: He wants to Kenny Floory an interview. He wants that

888
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:37,800
Speaker 6: flow interview.

889
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 7: So all right, let's do it. Let's do it. So

890
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:42,360
Speaker 7: what do you make of Gregor Gillespie?

891
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 6: Poor guy had all of his stuff, his wallet, his backpack,

892
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,760
Speaker 6: his everything stolen after the fight, which is really unfortunate.

893
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 7: Went to do an interview, he came back all his

894
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 7: shit was gone.

895
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 6: So you know, obviously the wrestling credentials are are pretty

896
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 6: much unparalleled. You know, four time All American freshman, he

897
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:01,799
Speaker 6: was an All American National che champion, and really has

898
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 6: put in seemingly all the right work since aligning with

899
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 6: Keith Trimble at the Belmore Kickboxing Academy six and zero

900
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 6: in the UFC, and his thesis statement on this fight,

901
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 6: Kenny is you want me to get the finish, let

902
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 6: me do it my way and say what you want

903
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 6: about the level of competition, say what you want about

904
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 6: how esthetically pleasing his style is.

905
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,240
Speaker 7: But nobody's been able to handle him, and.

906
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 6: He's putting these guys away, right, it's kamara Ousman's beating

907
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 6: guys thirty to twenty four on the scorecards, but not

908
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:31,359
Speaker 6: necessarily putting guys away.

909
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:33,919
Speaker 7: I mean, Gillespie's getting all of these men out of there.

910
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 8: Well, listen, I think that his style is one that

911
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 8: suits he, what his strengths are.

912
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 7: He's sticking to it.

913
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:44,839
Speaker 8: That's what you're supposed to do, you know, screw what

914
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 8: people want to see.

915
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 7: You got to do what's going to get you the wind, period.

916
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 8: And I think Gregor Gillespie is sticking to what makes

917
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 8: him great. And we also should remember that that was

918
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 8: the knock on Habibnermuga metof. That's why he probably didn't

919
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 8: get a title shot for so long. He didn't have

920
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 8: a lot of the flashy knockout wins and crazy submissions

921
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 8: that other guys had. But he was slowly but surely

922
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 8: dismantling every guy in that division one by one. And

923
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 8: I think that's kind of what Gillespie is doing here.

924
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 8: Now we haven't seen Gillespie at against high level competition.

925
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 8: Yancey Madeiras I think is a tough guy. I thought

926
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 8: he hung in there for a very long time. This

927
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 8: was him going back down to one hundred and fifty

928
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 8: five pounds. I don't think he looked great at one

929
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 8: fifty five, to be honest, he just again just to

930
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:38,399
Speaker 8: look a little too meager and skinny. I think at

931
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:41,479
Speaker 8: that weight Maderis is an absolute professional, but I don't

932
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,320
Speaker 8: think he was the guy to really challenge Gillespie. And

933
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 8: and let us know, this is this a guy who

934
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 8: could be a champion in this way class. Now, I

935
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 8: think he matches up against Habim nor Maga Metov perhaps

936
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 8: better than anyone else out there, just based on his

937
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 8: wrestling credentials.

938
00:42:57,840 --> 00:42:58,760
Speaker 7: And his style.

939
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 8: Can he get back to the top car can't he

940
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:04,760
Speaker 8: get to the top like a Habib Narmaga Madoff?

941
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:05,840
Speaker 7: I'm not sure.

942
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,320
Speaker 8: I think that the kind of pressure that he brings

943
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 8: in there is phenomenal. His takedowns are absolutely phenomenal. He

944
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 8: will take down a lot of guys en route to

945
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 8: the top, perhaps, but he does take a lot of damage.

946
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 8: I think the difference between him and Habib Nirmaga Matov

947
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,879
Speaker 8: is that Habib didn't take a whole lot of damage. Now,

948
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:25,280
Speaker 8: he didn't take any damage in that fight against Madera's

949
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 8: Don't get me wrong, I'm sure people are scratching their heads,

950
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:28,240
Speaker 8: go what is you talking about?

951
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:29,879
Speaker 7: Maderro's lendon one shot if any.

952
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 8: But in some of the other fights Gillespie does get tagged,

953
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 8: Habib doesn't really take any damage, if any in his fight,

954
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 8: so that would be the only thing that concerns me. Now,

955
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 8: I'm sure Gillespie's getting better in that regard, so I'm

956
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 8: curious to see how Gillespie can do as he gets

957
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 8: closer to the top ten in that division. So I

958
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 8: love his style, I love his attitude, and I also

959
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 8: love the way that he could match up against a

960
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:01,760
Speaker 8: guy like a beam Normago Metof if he's still around.

961
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:03,240
Speaker 7: Yeah, you summed it up perfectly.

962
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 6: I think Tony Ferguson's a guy who's a far tougher

963
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 6: matchup for him than habibnrmdo Metov not to say that

964
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:10,799
Speaker 6: the betting line would be all that much different, but

965
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 6: we'll see. Gilespie came in number fifteen in the world

966
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 6: and certainly think at some point. Now he's going to

967
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 6: get that big name type or even get somebody in

968
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 6: that felder Vic class, right, somebody who can at least

969
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 6: challenge him on that next level. I would also say

970
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 6: on Yancy Maderis, so he's walking now flow at one

971
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 6: hundred and sixty pounds, right, it's a completely plant based diet.

972
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 6: When he spars regularly with Max Holloway oftentimes, dude, he's

973
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 6: he's given up like twenty twenty five pounds. Max is

974
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 6: bigger than him, Yeah, by like a significant margin.

975
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 7: So Yancy, despite being near six feet.

976
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 6: I think he's going to drop down a featherweight now

977
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 6: just because he has sounds crazy. But when he sits

978
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 6: across from you and says, I agree with you, Kenny,

979
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 6: totally agree with you. But when he sits across from

980
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:55,800
Speaker 6: you and says, I've been one hundred and sixty pounds

981
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,840
Speaker 6: for two months and I'm fighting at fifty five and

982
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 6: you're suggesting that, you know, if he's gonna say at

983
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:03,839
Speaker 6: fifty five, I think he's gotta figure out a way

984
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 6: to put on a little bit of muscle mass and

985
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 6: cut a little bit of weight, or it's gonna be tough.

986
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:11,399
Speaker 8: I agree, my man, and listen again. It's one thing

987
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 8: to make the weight, that's another to compete at it.

988
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 8: And at one sixty. You know, if he's walking at

989
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 8: one sixty, that's great, you know, that's awesome.

990
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:21,919
Speaker 7: But should he Should he be fighting at one forty five?

991
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 8: I don't, Or a one forty five, I don't think so, man,

992
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 8: I really don't. I know he's closer, much closer at

993
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 8: one forty five, but I think you have to give

994
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:33,760
Speaker 8: your body the ability to be in the best position

995
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 8: possible to go out there and compete. And I don't

996
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 8: know if that would be the right decision at one

997
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 8: forty five. Uh, but uh, I mean that's interesting. He

998
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 8: switched to a plant based diet. That's great. Is he

999
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 8: getting all the nutrition? Is he doing it right? Is

1000
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 8: he a strong one sixty? You could be a one sixty.

1001
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 8: Are you a strong one sixty? Are you a guy

1002
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 8: that's feeling that same kind of strength and horsepower that

1003
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 8: you did at one seventy or one fifty five?

1004
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 7: I think is a different question. But I wish him

1005
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:02,799
Speaker 7: the best of luck. That guy is a true class act.

1006
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 8: I've never seen him complain or act like a jerk

1007
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 8: or get in trouble or anything like that.

1008
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:11,240
Speaker 7: That guy's a guy I really respect.

1009
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 6: Yet he is just such an infectious way about him

1010
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 6: and his dad, his dad. I said to his dad,

1011
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 6: I was like, dude, I like your sweatshirt. Dad rips

1012
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 6: the sweatshirt off and gives it to me. I'm like, no,

1013
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 6: He's like, take the sweatshirt, you know, But yeah, no,

1014
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:24,839
Speaker 6: he is. He is the sweetest guy on the roster.

1015
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 6: And yeah, man, I'm one hundred and fifty nine pounds

1016
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:28,919
Speaker 6: this morning. I'm not a strong one to fifty nine,

1017
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 6: just as an example, right, Like I am not a

1018
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 6: strong one fifty nine.

1019
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:34,320
Speaker 7: All right. A couple other winners.

1020
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 6: I want to get to shout out Glover to share

1021
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 6: a nice win for him, big win for Paige van

1022
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 6: Zant as well. But I got to get to Donald

1023
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 6: Cowboy Seroni here, huge win as betting underdog against Alexander Hernandez,

1024
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 6: who you heard from here on the Anakin Flooring podcast

1025
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:48,879
Speaker 6: a couple of weeks ago. So you have always had

1026
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 6: a very good read on Cowboy Seroni, right, whether it

1027
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 6: comes to the training camp he's put in or the

1028
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 6: matchup that he is in. I would just like to

1029
00:46:57,840 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 6: lead with the fact that I think he is at

1030
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 6: a a level of motivation and focus that maybe he

1031
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 6: has never been at before, and in two back to

1032
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:09,359
Speaker 6: back fights here that had a lot of heat on them,

1033
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:13,840
Speaker 6: he has just performed really flawlessly. Your thoughts on Cowboys

1034
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 6: win over the very talented Alexander Hernandez this weekend.

1035
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 8: I think Saroni has always been limited by himself and

1036
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:25,439
Speaker 8: his mental approach, and I think that there is a

1037
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 8: certain focus and look in his eye that I don't

1038
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:32,360
Speaker 8: think we've seen. Soroni is one of the toughest individuals

1039
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 8: you will meet in move Fighting Championship, but I think

1040
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 8: you nailed it that the last few fights there was

1041
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 8: something different, and I think a lot of it has

1042
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:42,279
Speaker 8: to do with the motivation that has come from the

1043
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 8: birth of his son, Dangerous, And I think that, you know,

1044
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:47,760
Speaker 8: and he has said it himself, I have a reason

1045
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 8: to fight now. This isn't just some fun hobby, crazy

1046
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 8: thing that cowboy Serni does right on his daily list

1047
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,399
Speaker 8: of activities. You know, he's always looking for that thing

1048
00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 8: that's going to give him that adrenaline rush. This is

1049
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 8: a little bit different now. He now he's not just

1050
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,359
Speaker 8: looking to buy all these toys. He realizes he needs

1051
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 8: to provide for his son, he needs to set an

1052
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 8: example for his son, all those things, and I think

1053
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:12,800
Speaker 8: that has pushed him to another level.

1054
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 7: And I was nervous. I gotta be honest.

1055
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 8: I was nervous for him in this matchup against Hernandez

1056
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 8: because of the pressure style that he has, the wrestling

1057
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 8: that he brings, the power that he brings, the fact

1058
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 8: that he's a self paw who likes the back guys up.

1059
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 8: I think those are always the toughest matchups for guys

1060
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:31,880
Speaker 8: like Donald SERRONI. But Seroni went out there and showed

1061
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 8: he is a different guy mentally and technically as well.

1062
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 8: He's he's committing to his techniques. He's not doubting himself

1063
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 8: and h yeah, I was blown away.

1064
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:43,399
Speaker 3: Man.

1065
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 8: Unfortunately I missed the I missed the first round. I

1066
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 8: did see the finish. I saw the second round. It

1067
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 8: was a hello fight. I was upset that I missed

1068
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 8: that first round. But man, Seroni I think just earned

1069
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 8: himself against that possible fight against Connor McGregor that he wanted.

1070
00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 7: Yeah, I agree.

1071
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 6: And if you are in Alexander Hernandez and if you

1072
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 6: were able to hear him on our show a couple

1073
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:04,799
Speaker 6: of weeks ago. You know that this guy, at least

1074
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:08,799
Speaker 6: outside the octagon, is just a very cerebral, thoughtful, determined guy.

1075
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 6: I just want to read his post on Instagram because

1076
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:15,920
Speaker 6: I just thought he couldn't have handled this loss much better. Congratulations, cowboy, Seroni,

1077
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:18,879
Speaker 6: you taught me something invaluable in defeat. Perhaps the best

1078
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 6: worst thing that ever happened to me was a forty

1079
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 6: two second knockout debut. I go into every fight feeling

1080
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 6: untouchable and expecting a repeat of the same occurrence. I

1081
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 6: prepare myself in the moments prior for an execution in

1082
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 6: the first round, and not a fight. I need to

1083
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 6: learn to fight. I need to address my approach. I

1084
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 6: brought the fight to Seroni, and where he made adjustments

1085
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 6: I did not experience is a costly bitch. He went

1086
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 6: on to say, the triumph of adversity is what makes

1087
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 6: a man and defines legends. I will be back and

1088
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 6: you will know what I mean what I say next

1089
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 6: time you see me.

1090
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 7: This is good pain.

1091
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:48,879
Speaker 6: So I think he's a guy who really will learn

1092
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 6: from this and maybe make some adjustments to his style,

1093
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 6: and again I think will be a problem in this

1094
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 6: lightweight division in the long term.

1095
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 7: He gets it. That guy gets it.

1096
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:01,279
Speaker 8: He understands that, you know what, we make mistakes and

1097
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 8: it's the smart people that really learn from those mistakes.

1098
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:07,879
Speaker 8: And now that's more intel, that's more information to make

1099
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 8: the proper adjustments and be better as a fighter overall.

1100
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:12,400
Speaker 7: That's what you're looking for.

1101
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 8: When you fight a guy like Serni with all that experience,

1102
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 8: you have the ability win or lose, to steal that experience,

1103
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 8: to see what they do, to see how they make

1104
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:23,919
Speaker 8: you vulnerable, to see what your weaknesses are.

1105
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 7: That's what it's about.

1106
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:27,879
Speaker 8: It's a fight against yourself at the end of the day,

1107
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 8: and the fighters that we face are the guys that

1108
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 8: give us that information on what we need to improve technically, spiritually, mentally, physically.

1109
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Speaker 7: Yep, all right. It was also a big weekend for

1110
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 7: Fortis MMA.

1111
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:41,719
Speaker 6: Alonzo Manifield wins his UFC debut in style, knocks out

1112
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 6: Vensius mode AA. Jeff Neil did to Belah Mohammed what

1113
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 6: no one has done to Belah, Remember the name Muhammad.

1114
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 6: He wins unanimous decision thirty to twenty seven, times two

1115
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:51,719
Speaker 6: at twenty nine to twenty eight as well, I thought

1116
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 6: Jeff Neil was one of the night's biggest winners. And

1117
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 6: the last thing, Ken, I just want to get your

1118
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 6: thoughts on Dennis Bermudez, not the fight itself, but just

1119
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 6: ending a four fight lo streak and going out a winner,

1120
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 6: retiring at thirty two years old after seventeen UFC fights.

1121
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 6: So he had lost his previous fight to maybe Rick

1122
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:11,959
Speaker 6: the Gladiator Glenn, fourth consecutive loss. Right thirty two years old,

1123
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:14,759
Speaker 6: goes home, plays video games for a couple months. He's

1124
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 6: sort of biding his time, trying to figure out what

1125
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 6: he wants to do. Decided he was going to make

1126
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 6: one more run at it to try to go out

1127
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:22,319
Speaker 6: with a win. We didn't necessarily know he was going

1128
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:24,720
Speaker 6: to retire, but the fact that he invoked the word

1129
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 6: with me in conversation Tuesday, I think led me to

1130
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 6: believe that maybe he would if he had won. So

1131
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:32,479
Speaker 6: he went for a run on Christmas Eve, and when

1132
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 6: he got back the call came in that it was

1133
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:36,279
Speaker 6: going to be at fifty five. He only had a

1134
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:38,880
Speaker 6: couple weeks right to prepare, and I think that worked

1135
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 6: to his benefit. But just feel good for a good

1136
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 6: guy who has kids, who just really was going to

1137
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 6: retire win or lose. But you know, nice to be

1138
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 6: able to go out with a win and to go

1139
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 6: out healthy.

1140
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:49,319
Speaker 7: Without a doubt.

1141
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 8: Man, Listen, I think that going out on a win

1142
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 8: is a great thing. I think he was well aware

1143
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 8: of his situation in the UFC and what he needed

1144
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 8: to do for him himself, where he was at in

1145
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 8: his career, and what was going to be possible. And

1146
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 8: by that, I mean, you know, was he going to

1147
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 8: fight for a title one day? Probably not, unfortunately at

1148
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 8: one forty five, with all the competition and the struggles

1149
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 8: that he's experienced. And I think the fact that he's

1150
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:20,319
Speaker 8: able to put that into perspective and say, you know what,

1151
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:22,839
Speaker 8: I'm going to give it one more chance, and if

1152
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 8: I get this one, I'm going to go out on top.

1153
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 8: I have a lot of respect for that guy. And

1154
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:29,319
Speaker 8: you know, he's also a smart guy. There's a lot

1155
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 8: of different things that Dennis Bermudez can do both as

1156
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:37,880
Speaker 8: a coach naflete, whether it's rest mixed martial arts, and

1157
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 8: I wish him the best, man.

1158
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1159
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 6: Man, Well, it was a great weekend, a huge ESPN debut.

1160
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 6: ESPN Plus signed signed up over five hundred and sixty

1161
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:50,759
Speaker 6: eight thousand new subscribers on Friday and Saturday. And if

1162
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 6: you annualize that and all those people are signed up

1163
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 6: for twelve months, you know, sixty dollars a year, that's

1164
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:58,840
Speaker 6: thirty four million dollars. So very exciting for the UFC

1165
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 6: to have made that type in print. Obviously, for me,

1166
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 6: it was great to come full circle. The only thing

1167
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:04,840
Speaker 6: that would have been better if my man, Kenflow is

1168
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 6: to my right. I know at some point Flow is

1169
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 6: gonna is gonna be there with me and he's going

1170
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 6: to address his television future at some point. But I

1171
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 6: gotta think for you, and I know a lot of

1172
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:15,800
Speaker 6: fans were asking me about Ken Flow. Oh, Peter Welch

1173
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 6: was like, dude, get over here, where's Ken Flow? Fuck

1174
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 6: Daniel Cormier guy. But Kenny, I gotta think for you,

1175
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:24,359
Speaker 6: as a guy who saw sort of pioneered the MMA

1176
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 6: coverage at ESPN back in two thousand and eight, that

1177
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:28,880
Speaker 6: even though at least for this show in Brooklyn you

1178
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 6: weren't there to see the UFC on ESPN, had to

1179
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 6: feel like you had a.

1180
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 7: Small piece in that.

1181
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 8: My man, it's awesome, man, Listen, I've been a part

1182
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 8: of this sport for a very long time, to the

1183
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:39,319
Speaker 8: point where you know, when I was on when I

1184
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 8: was filming The Ultimate Fighter, I said, there's no way

1185
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 8: they're going to allow this on television.

1186
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:44,359
Speaker 7: There's no way. So from all the.

1187
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 8: Things that we've done, you know, from Spike Television to

1188
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 8: the fact that you and I started this thing called

1189
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 8: MMA Live over at ESPN dot com. Then it had

1190
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 8: moved over to ESPN two, then we were over at Fox.

1191
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:57,240
Speaker 7: Now we're back at ESPN.

1192
00:53:57,560 --> 00:53:59,800
Speaker 8: It shows that people want to see the sport and

1193
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:03,840
Speaker 8: gives an outlet for uh, these amazing professional athletes to

1194
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:06,759
Speaker 8: go out there and perform for all these fans that

1195
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:11,920
Speaker 8: are just very excited to watch these fights. And you know,

1196
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 8: I thought it was a great way to kick off

1197
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:16,839
Speaker 8: the year. And you know, I hope that partnership works

1198
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 8: out very well for both the fans and the fighters

1199
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:22,360
Speaker 8: and and and the organization. And uh, you know, it

1200
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 8: was cool to see, man. I thought it was a nice,

1201
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 8: uh clean broadcast.

1202
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:28,799
Speaker 6: And I know you don't always watch the ceremonial way,

1203
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 6: and but if you look at my phone here, I

1204
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:33,320
Speaker 6: wore the M M A Live T shirt on stage.

1205
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 6: That's amazing to do that's goddamn right I did. I

1206
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:40,319
Speaker 6: figured my boss Zach Zach Candido was in the air

1207
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 6: and Craig Bore sorry by the way, had a nasty

1208
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 6: pectoral injury, so figured I could squeeze that MBA Live

1209
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 6: T shirt on the stage and nobody got mad at

1210
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:49,520
Speaker 6: me for it. But UH, also just want to say,

1211
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:51,920
Speaker 6: in closing to uh, two guys that Kenny and I

1212
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:54,920
Speaker 6: worked with very closely, Uh, the late John's Are and

1213
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 6: the late Anthony Moore Mile. I know you were very

1214
00:54:56,920 --> 00:54:59,720
Speaker 6: close with both of those men, Kenny and man. Hopefully

1215
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:01,800
Speaker 6: they were smiling down on us from somewhere over the

1216
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:06,280
Speaker 6: weekend because UFC Fight Night as it stands on ESPN

1217
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:08,919
Speaker 6: or ESPN Plus, it just does not happen without John

1218
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 6: z A R. And Anthony Moremyle and Kieran Portley and

1219
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:14,840
Speaker 6: so many other people. And you know, as we cross

1220
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 6: the goal line, so to speak, this weekend, obviously we

1221
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:20,320
Speaker 6: were thinking about Z and the Big Man, and hopefully

1222
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 6: they're happy about what a lot of people were able

1223
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:25,479
Speaker 6: to accomplish this weekend. Somewhere all right, last thing before

1224
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 6: I go, I booked a flight to Atlanta this morning

1225
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:29,319
Speaker 6: for Super Bowl fifty three.

1226
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 7: Oh, get out of it.

1227
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 6: So I said to myself, if Tom Brady and Bill

1228
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 6: Belichick are able to get back to one, that I

1229
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 6: would go right because this is the ninth one that

1230
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 6: they have gotten to and I haven't gone yet. So

1231
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 6: I do not have a ticket. It's a CBS broadcast,

1232
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 6: so I'm not getting any help from Fox or ESPN.

1233
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:50,240
Speaker 6: I don't have a ticket, but I have a plane ticket.

1234
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:52,759
Speaker 6: It's a one way. I'm going to drive my ass

1235
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 6: back to Florida right after the game, win or lose.

1236
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:57,279
Speaker 6: But somehow, someway, I'm going to try to get in

1237
00:55:57,320 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 6: that building and see what I can do.

1238
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:02,919
Speaker 8: That's awesome, dude, to leave you with that. Maybe you've

1239
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:04,959
Speaker 8: inspired me to try to do the same. I wonder

1240
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:07,240
Speaker 8: if I could get get some tickets for us somehow,

1241
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:07,960
Speaker 8: that'd be sick.

1242
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:10,960
Speaker 6: Well, that's hey, the ticket right now it's looking like

1243
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:14,440
Speaker 6: four g's for a nosebleed, which that doesn't you know

1244
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 6: that that isn't wetting my twin brothers appetite. But I'll

1245
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 6: keep you in the loop and if somehow, some way

1246
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 6: we can make this thing happen. I just think there's

1247
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 6: there's no worst feeling. I would think in the world

1248
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:26,799
Speaker 6: than going to a super Bowl and having your team

1249
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 6: lose and having to drive nine hours back to Florida.

1250
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:32,279
Speaker 6: But you know, you only live once, I think, is

1251
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 6: what the kids say, right Yolo or something like that.

1252
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:39,919
Speaker 8: So exactly, I've been to an AFC Championship game. I've

1253
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:41,680
Speaker 8: never been to a super Bowl. I went to the

1254
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 8: World Series this year. Now I'm like addicted, Like now

1255
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:47,239
Speaker 8: I got to hit them all. I gotta go to

1256
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:49,920
Speaker 8: an NBA Finals game, and I now I gotta go

1257
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:50,719
Speaker 8: to the World.

1258
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:52,879
Speaker 7: To the super Bowl at some point. Man. So shit,

1259
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 7: the Patriots are in it. Why not?

1260
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:57,760
Speaker 6: Maybe we'll see if the Anak and Florian podcast account

1261
00:56:57,760 --> 00:56:58,880
Speaker 6: can make a contribution.

1262
00:56:59,040 --> 00:56:59,800
Speaker 7: Oh, I like it.

1263
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:01,640
Speaker 6: We'll see how that goes. All right, that is it

1264
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 6: for this week. Thank you to Ray Longo. Thanks to TJ. DeSantis.

1265
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:06,400
Speaker 6: Great to have him back at the Controls. I think

1266
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:07,360
Speaker 6: that goes without saying.

1267
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:09,799
Speaker 7: Ja. We will be back in fewer than seven days.

1268
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 6: We will have a preview and can flows predictions for

1269
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 6: UFC Fight Night A Sunsal versus made two. That is Saturday,

1270
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:18,600
Speaker 6: February second, from Fort to Laser, Brazil. It is yours

1271
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 6: wall to wall on ESPN Plus, and in so doing,

1272
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:24,640
Speaker 6: we will start our twenty nineteen main Event challenge. Don't worry,

1273
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 6: I will pay off the Power Hour here in the

1274
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 6: next couple months as well. With that for Kenny Flora

1275
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:31,320
Speaker 6: and I'm John Anick, thank you all for listening. We

1276
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 6: are both grateful to be back in your lives and

1277
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 6: we will be again in a week.

1278
00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:36,960
Speaker 7: Until then, yo fucking later.

1279
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1280
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:44,120
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