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Speaker 1: NFL and now live in Missouri. Greg, Welcome to the show, bro.

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Speaker 2: I've been waiting for this day since your tweet the

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Speaker 2: other day. So I'm ready. I'm ready to battle.

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Speaker 3: What was your tweet the other day?

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Speaker 1: So? Greg was breaking down the fish just keep it

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Speaker 1: instead of I sided with JJ Watt. JJ Watt was

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Speaker 1: got in the comments. Greg was breaking down why you

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Speaker 1: go for two when you're the Philadelphia Eagles down nine

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Speaker 1: with like three and some change or four minutes left

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Speaker 1: on the clock. Greg was battle and he was out

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Speaker 1: on the front Line's John snow anybody who was ready

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Speaker 1: for war. He was ready to take the analytical war

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Speaker 1: to everybody the modern day football game that's being played.

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Speaker 1: And JJ chimes in under one of his tweets saying

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Speaker 1: that he completely understands GREG from an analytics standpoint, but

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Speaker 1: from basically like a human psychology, the momentum and unquantifiable

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Speaker 1: thing in football. As players, when you're on the sideline,

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Speaker 1: you don't get the two point conversion, and then you're

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Speaker 1: just deflated, thinking, well, this pretty much isn't gonna happen.

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Speaker 1: Versus if you kick the field goal and you're down

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Speaker 1: eight points. In your mind, we're down one possession. We're

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Speaker 1: down one possession. Defense, we get the ball back three

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Speaker 1: and out. We got to get our offense the ball back.

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Speaker 1: We can go down and tie this football game by

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Speaker 1: getting a two point conversion. JJ was basically saying that

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Speaker 1: I go up under JJ, like, JJ, welcome to the

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Speaker 1: war against analytics. And here's a guy that they all

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Speaker 1: love to read that is essentially their bible. And it

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Speaker 1: was a meme of you know, like this, this this

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Speaker 1: male laying on the bed looking kind of you know,

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Speaker 1: kind of looking at it, you kind of look at us,

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Speaker 1: and it was a guide to anal and then I

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Speaker 1: dashed it with lytics, so analytics, and that was you know,

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Speaker 1: I was just getting in. I was getting in the

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Speaker 1: troll game with Greg JJ just kind of sitting back

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Speaker 1: like a whole Greg because every week he comes on

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Speaker 1: breaking down a new situation.

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Speaker 3: So great, did you respond to this?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 2: I went today is my response?

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Speaker 3: Okay, good, so you let it say you let it simmer.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure you let it simmer. I felt like it

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Speaker 2: for him. Yeah, this is a better forum than he

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Speaker 2: argued more.

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Speaker 1: With the Emmanuel on Twitter. Seems waiting waiting for this

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Speaker 1: show to argue.

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Speaker 2: Watcho. He piggybacked on it too, and gave his whole

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Speaker 2: take about momentum and feelings and confidence and all the

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Speaker 2: nonsense that we all get thrown down our face for

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Speaker 2: the last twenty years in football, which actually means jack Ship.

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Speaker 1: Hold on now, easy.

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Speaker 3: If you're in a game and your defense is playing

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Speaker 3: good or bad? Does that is that the right?

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Speaker 2: At this for a minute, Let's about a minute. So

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Speaker 2: let's just take that Friday's game, because that was the

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Speaker 2: game that obviously spurred all of this. Just this sequence

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Speaker 2: yard drive with three and change left, twelve plays eighty

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Speaker 2: Who had the momentum?

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Speaker 1: Eagles?

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Speaker 2: They went for two and what happened?

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Speaker 1: They did not get it?

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Speaker 2: So who had the momentum? Tell me why the momentum ended?

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Speaker 2: I've been told the defense is reeling. You just had

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Speaker 2: a great drive. The defense is tired, the defense is confused,

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Speaker 2: the defense is on their heels, all the things that

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Speaker 2: people tell us why they fail.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I get what you're saying.

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Speaker 2: But if they it's a very simple.

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Speaker 3: Well, what's the simple A twelve play eighty yard drive

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Speaker 3: and your methodical you're bad, then you have a good

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Speaker 3: And it's kind of going back and forth. A lot

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Speaker 3: Anytime you can get a defense tired, now's your time

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Speaker 3: to strike. So why not go for two in the

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Speaker 1: Want you don't get the two?

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Speaker 2: Now?

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Speaker 1: All low? Now it goes back to basically, your chance

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but you guys, but if you kick point,

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Speaker 2: idea was it could be seven. Right, So everyone talks about,

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Speaker 2: oh my god, you made your team down nine. Nick

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Speaker 2: So everyone leaves that part of the equation out, and

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Speaker 2: then all of a sudden we flip it and we go, well,

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Speaker 2: if you were down eight, if you kick the extra

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Speaker 2: a foregone conclusion that it's a one score game, even

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Speaker 2: though we just saw a team three minutes ago try

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Speaker 2: So when you do it first, the assumption is you're

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Speaker 2: do it last, the assumption is you're gonna get eight

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Speaker 2: and make it zero. It's just it's just nonsense.

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Speaker 1: I yeah, I understand it's like, but I could be

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Speaker 1: down seven. However, if I'm if I were to ask you,

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Speaker 1: the clock. Would you rather be down eight or down nine?

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Speaker 2: On that That's not the question I'd be I'd rather

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Speaker 2: This was my Twitter messages for the last four days.

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Speaker 2: The question is not would you rather be down nine

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Speaker 2: nine with the hope of being down seven? Or would

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Speaker 2: you rather be down two with twenty five seconds left?

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Speaker 2: If let's just give those two scenarios, would you rather

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Speaker 2: twenty seconds left? Both cases you're kicking off. What's better?

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Speaker 1: Are you saying in this scenario down to Bay.

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Speaker 2: Because I waited to kick the they waited to go

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Speaker 2: for two. That's what everyone's telling me is the better option,

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Speaker 2: And everyone always wants to say, oh my god, with

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Speaker 2: three minutes, would you rather be down eight or nine?

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Speaker 2: That's not the question. That's apples and oranges.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but you have the opportunity rather be.

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Speaker 2: Down nine failed two point with three and a half

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Speaker 2: minutes kicking off? Or would you rather be down two

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Speaker 2: with under thirty seconds left, if not less kicking off

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Speaker 3: Which would you rather, so I feel like just because

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Speaker 3: I didn't watch this game.

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Speaker 2: No, but what would you rather be? That's the in that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, if you're down two with thirty seconds left

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Speaker 1: versus down nine kicking the ball off with three minutes,

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Speaker 1: I'd rather be down nine with.

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Speaker 2: That's why you go for two first. That is the

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Speaker 2: simplest phrase right there. That's why you do it.

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Speaker 3: But hold on. When we were talking about the Colts

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Speaker 3: field position and win to strike and basically you want

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Speaker 3: And if you're in a position if you're so, mindus

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Speaker 3: saying is this the Eagles score touchdown there to go

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Speaker 3: there down nine, and so they could a pat they're

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Speaker 3: down eight and they go for two to be down seven?

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Speaker 3: Am I following this correctly?

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Speaker 2: Correct?

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Speaker 3: Okay? How much time is on the clock when they

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Speaker 2: Three, twenty three, ten, something like that.

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Speaker 3: If I'm the coach there, I'm kicking. I'm kicking the

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Speaker 3: two later. By going for two and not getting two,

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Speaker 3: be decided right now, and by not getting it, you're right.

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Speaker 2: But explain to me the difference. So again, but this

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Speaker 2: get it, the game was over. The final three minutes

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Speaker 2: don't matter. If you play the next three minutes down

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Speaker 2: eight and you get the ball and you fail the

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Speaker 2: two point, the same two point play odds they're less

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Speaker 2: than fifty percent, so you're gonna fail more than you succeed,

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Speaker 2: right the find the game's over either way. Find the

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Speaker 2: previous three minutes when you were so motivated and felt

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Speaker 2: so optimistic. They meant nothing because you ended up failing

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Speaker 2: the two point anyway.

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Speaker 1: But the difference, the difference is you don't know you're

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Speaker 1: gonna fail when you're going for that two point conversion.

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Speaker 2: When did you guys play blackjack?

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Speaker 3: Yeah once in a while.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know the answer to When you when you

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Speaker 2: have a sixteen versus a dealer's ten, what do you

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Speaker 2: do well?

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Speaker 3: The book says, the surrender but I.

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Speaker 2: Hit, you hit?

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Speaker 1: Do you?

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Speaker 2: Some people stay Yeah, and it kind of as someone

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Speaker 2: them like, why would you do that? Why are they

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Speaker 3: Well, there's no book. This is there are two completely

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Speaker 3: different games because in a hand of blackjack, it's you

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Speaker 3: put your money down, the cards are the cards, you

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Speaker 3: win and you lose.

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Speaker 2: Now I'm talking about the psychology of why do people

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Speaker 2: stay on sixteen.

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Speaker 3: Because their hope is that there is a six or

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Speaker 2: They mentally feel like, I'm gonna stay in the game longer,

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Speaker 2: But it's it's insane. It doesn't make any.

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Speaker 2: I think there's all I played last night. I'm in

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Speaker 2: Is more likely to succeed.

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Speaker 2: But that's all we're trying to do. The entire game

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Speaker 2: now is to is to gobble up as many little

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Speaker 2: That's all we're trying. We're not trying to gobble up

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Speaker 3: I don't know, it's just but listen, when when you

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Speaker 3: we're playing a hard fifty seven minutes here. Now you're

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Speaker 2: It's not a one score game.

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Speaker 1: Though.

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Speaker 3: It is a one score game.

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Speaker 2: It's not a one score game. It's a I just

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Speaker 3: It's a one possession game. It's is that better? It's

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Speaker 2: You can maybe tie, just so.

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Speaker 3: We're clear, okay, just you can maybe tie tie. You

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Speaker 3: get the ball back, you get it, you score, then

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Speaker 3: you you win the game. But I'm saying, if you

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Speaker 3: time on your side, how many timeouts at the Eagles.

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Speaker 2: Saf they had three timeouts.

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Speaker 3: They had three timeouts plus the two minute warning and

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Speaker 3: Then you guys are gonna have with timeouts. You have

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Speaker 3: a minute forty five maybe with one time out left,

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Speaker 3: maybe no timeouts, to march down the field with weapons

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Speaker 3: on the perimeter that you haven't utilized correctly, get in

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Speaker 2: Just did that. They just went twelve yards.

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Speaker 5: They just went to play the ten.

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Speaker 3: Seconds in the game. You're down by two. Now you

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Speaker 2: What happens if they failed.

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Speaker 3: If they failed, it's the same result as what we're

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Speaker 2: But if they don't, well know, the difference is you're

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, But the differences. You're also down by

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Speaker 2: How what would you rather if you would rather start

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Speaker 2: a simulation. I just asked, Will if you had to

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Speaker 2: I'm telling you you're kicking off down nine with three

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Speaker 2: and you have to step into that game. Which scenario

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Speaker 3: Well, you're obviously going to take the three thirty, of.

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Speaker 2: Course you are, and that's why the scale tips to

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Speaker 1: But if we don't need this samulation in.

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Speaker 2: Both scenarios, you have to assume in both scenarios you're

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Speaker 3: I think there is a win to prolonging the decision

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Speaker 3: if you go and you take seven.

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Speaker 2: But we know from thirty years of tracking is that

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Speaker 2: it's just not true.

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Speaker 3: But it's all you're saying, you're fifty to do two

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Speaker 2: But I don't want to do an on side kick.

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Speaker 2: I'm not suggesting on sidekick. I'm suggesting that if I

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Speaker 2: two point first or second, there is no on side kick.

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Speaker 2: The goal is not to try to introduce the on

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Speaker 2: You kick the ball in the out of the end

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Speaker 2: The on side kick is only activated by a failed

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Speaker 2: two point try. The question is how much time is

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Speaker 2: Do you want to be down nine? The first case

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Speaker 3: The argument seems to me is do you go for

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Speaker 2: That's the entire argument.

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Speaker 3: That's okay, But you're saying go for two on side

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Speaker 3: you're putting time stamps on everything for me as a

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Speaker 2: On No I'm putting time. I'm just saying the only

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Speaker 3: But if you just kick the pat on that last

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Speaker 1: Have three timeouts and you whether or not, all it

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Speaker 2: Well, it gives you. Okay, if we don't get any

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Speaker 2: on this call, I just want you guys to wrap

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Speaker 2: For a million years, we have been told that eight

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Speaker 2: They are one score games forty three percent of the time.

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Speaker 2: That is the league wide average this year of a

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Speaker 2: your odds of success are worse than your odds of failure.

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Speaker 2: So to sit here, So let me ask you this.

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Speaker 2: You're the offensive coordinator, You're down eight, and I give

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Speaker 2: So you can stop the clock one more time with

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Speaker 2: went out there, Run timeout, run timeout, run timeout, punt.

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Speaker 2: Tell me how you handle that possession. Do you score fast?

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Speaker 2: Do you score slow? When are you trying to score?

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Speaker 2: And how quickly talk me through that? If you have

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Speaker 1: Eight, I'm scoring with one second left and then I'm

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Speaker 2: So because you waited all of a sudden, your odds

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Speaker 1: Well, it comes down to that last final moment. Everybody

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Speaker 3: You get it about momentum too, You're.

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Speaker 1: Talking about hands on knees. Everybody just focused in, like

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Speaker 2: How you feel and I'll look at.

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Speaker 1: You, coach, g O kick this extra point. I'll get

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Speaker 2: Over the last twenty five years, teams that have scored

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Speaker 2: just talking like in the first quarter, meaningless, this so

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Speaker 2: that we're told, Let's just assume that's the situation we're in. Okay,

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Speaker 2: so this exact situation, the odds of converting that situation.

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Speaker 1: Go down.

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Speaker 2: So when the defense is at their worst and the

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Speaker 2: the sideline is excited and all this stuff that everyone's

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Speaker 2: the rate of success goes down.

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Speaker 1: What if I would have me and you were talking

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Speaker 1: you're my head coach, and I just look at you

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Speaker 1: and say, coach g O, I feel you. But in

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Speaker 1: are you trying to quantify me with the metric right now?

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Speaker 1: Are we going to go and trying to win this

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Speaker 1: football game in ot.

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Speaker 2: No, Because if I'm the head coach and I'm doing

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Speaker 2: want to go for two? I want to kick. I

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Speaker 2: want to kick. You want to go for two? Why

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Speaker 2: are we doing this? And no one now if they're

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Speaker 2: Everyone is very clear on what the strategy is and

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Speaker 2: That's how the best teams run their teams.

444
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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, look, I understand everything you're saying. I oh shit,

445
00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:30,600
Speaker 1: your quinin. I'm not quitting. Like I'm still like to me,

446
00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:33,600
Speaker 1: he asks a question, He's like, forget everything else, I

447
00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:35,639
Speaker 1: want to give you a two option simulation for me.

448
00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:37,760
Speaker 1: I'm just asking myself, do I want to be down

449
00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:39,800
Speaker 1: nine with three and change left? Or do I want

450
00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:41,359
Speaker 1: to be down eight with three and change left?

451
00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:44,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, And THEO can't say you want to be down

452
00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:48,040
Speaker 2: nine without leaving without the sure it's.

453
00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:50,360
Speaker 1: Like correct, correct, I would.

454
00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:51,760
Speaker 2: But everyone leaves that part out.

455
00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:56,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, the okay, down down nine with the potential

456
00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:59,200
Speaker 1: to be down seven, or do we kick this extra

457
00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:00,679
Speaker 1: point and just be down on eight with three and

458
00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:03,760
Speaker 1: change left? Me like, it's like the data and all

459
00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:06,560
Speaker 1: the graphs you're posting and there's only the success rates

460
00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:09,720
Speaker 1: and everything else with the whether it's third down or getting.

461
00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:12,359
Speaker 2: In response to me being told that the defense is

462
00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:14,920
Speaker 2: all of a sudden just gonna quit down nine, which

463
00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:16,040
Speaker 2: is absurd.

464
00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:18,280
Speaker 1: Right, which I allowed data to let me know. Okay, well,

465
00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:20,480
Speaker 1: the momentum thing might not be as real as you

466
00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:22,960
Speaker 1: were thinking. But for me, it's like if we're off

467
00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:25,080
Speaker 1: just by a couple percentage points here, it's not like

468
00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,800
Speaker 1: it's it's end all, be all that this is. This

469
00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:31,399
Speaker 1: is not even a debate, not even an argument, like

470
00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:33,959
Speaker 1: and if we're going through that situation well in advance

471
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Speaker 1: as a head coach and we end up losing that

472
00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:38,680
Speaker 1: game and I have a tweet that comes out, just

473
00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:41,359
Speaker 1: be like I tried telling Coach g Oh, just don't

474
00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:44,520
Speaker 1: be surprised if there's a lot of backlash.

475
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Speaker 2: Well, that's the bottom line. So let's summarize this and

476
00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:52,560
Speaker 2: we can move on. The number one preventor of teams

477
00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:56,040
Speaker 2: making correct decisions that are actually in the favor of

478
00:21:56,119 --> 00:22:00,480
Speaker 2: their team is one hundred percent fear of the postgame

479
00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:05,320
Speaker 2: press conference. Yeah, it is a much easier world to

480
00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:09,680
Speaker 2: defend your point than mine because we've been conditioned for

481
00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:14,480
Speaker 2: thirty years about one score and emotion and momentum, and

482
00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:17,360
Speaker 2: we've just been beaten over the head with it for

483
00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:20,200
Speaker 2: thirty years. We had it done to us as players.

484
00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:22,840
Speaker 2: We're going to stop the run, We're going to run

485
00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:29,160
Speaker 2: the ball. We it's like brainwash, right, It's like it's.

486
00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:29,680
Speaker 1: It's a poison.

487
00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:34,080
Speaker 2: It's the way we've been taught for forty years. It's

488
00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:38,040
Speaker 2: very hard to shift that to what the top teams

489
00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:40,600
Speaker 2: are doing, which is managing the game with these factors

490
00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:43,879
Speaker 2: being decision making points. So to stand there at the

491
00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:46,200
Speaker 2: end of the podium after I failed a two point

492
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:49,639
Speaker 2: play with seven seconds left, as opposed to failing the

493
00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:52,480
Speaker 2: two point play with three and a half minutes. Even

494
00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:57,520
Speaker 2: though we know that albeit small improvement, my win percentage

495
00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:00,600
Speaker 2: and opportunity to win is actually greater doing with Sirianni

496
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:05,040
Speaker 2: did the postgame press conference if he fails with ten

497
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:07,560
Speaker 2: seconds left, and they go, man, we gave it our

498
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:11,360
Speaker 2: best shot. The messages, our guys really competed hard, We

499
00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:14,359
Speaker 2: really bought into the end. We strive on fighting. We

500
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:19,160
Speaker 2: never gave up all this arbitrary nonsense, and they go, yeah,

501
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:22,000
Speaker 2: the players have to be better. The players didn't execute

502
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:23,200
Speaker 2: a coach, You were great.

503
00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:27,320
Speaker 1: I'll tell you that. That's a very fascinating angle. I've

504
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:28,080
Speaker 1: never thought of it like that.

505
00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:30,679
Speaker 2: It's the only angle. You think it's not hard for

506
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:32,919
Speaker 2: Dan Campbell to stand up there in the press conference

507
00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:34,720
Speaker 2: when he goes zero for three on fourth down to

508
00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:38,760
Speaker 2: lose a playoff game. Of course it is, and most

509
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:41,600
Speaker 2: coaches are not as strong as Dan Campbell just stand

510
00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:44,800
Speaker 2: up there and go it breats my guts out. I

511
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,320
Speaker 2: hate it for our players, but if it happened again tomorrow,

512
00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:49,439
Speaker 2: I would do it again because I know in my

513
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 2: heart this is the best way to win.

514
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Speaker 3: Analytics, you know what just happened. You just got money balled.

515
00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:00,280
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Brad pat I like I knew while I

516
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:04,800
Speaker 1: was walking into this dungeon of Greg Olsen, I knew

517
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:06,720
Speaker 1: he was going to lay it out perfectly for me.

518
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:07,359
Speaker 3: Yeah.

519
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 1: It's just there's times.

520
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,119
Speaker 2: Like when you tell people that crime in their city

521
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:15,040
Speaker 2: has gone down and the FBI data comes out and

522
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 2: they go, yeah, but my house was robbed last week,

523
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:19,160
Speaker 2: so I don't think crime went down. It's like, well,

524
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 2: what you experience, your one individual touch point, is not

525
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:27,440
Speaker 2: representative of reality. It might be your reality, it might

526
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:30,240
Speaker 2: be your but that's not the game we're playing where

527
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:34,640
Speaker 2: that's what's going on here, right, Like we all put

528
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,719
Speaker 2: so much value into the ups and the downs. There

529
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 2: was a sequence in that Bear's Philadelphia game and again,

530
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:43,400
Speaker 2: you guys, tell me where the momentum stopped and started.

531
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:50,680
Speaker 2: So the Bears punted and no, I'm sorry, sod Eagles.

532
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,199
Speaker 2: So the Eagles went down and scored a touchdown. They

533
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 2: went five plays ninety two yards and they scored a touchdown.

534
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 2: They missed the extra point. Okay, so they had a

535
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:04,920
Speaker 2: great drive. They missed the extra point, which no one's

536
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 2: even talking about in this decision to go for two?

537
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 2: Is the guy already missed an extra point to make

538
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:13,200
Speaker 2: it ten to nine. They then go on defense. They

539
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 2: intercept Caleb Williams, they get the ball back, so they

540
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:21,440
Speaker 2: went touchdown, missed extra point, defensive takeaway. Oh my god,

541
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 2: we've got all the momentum. You know what happened on

542
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 2: the next Philadelphia drive out They fumbled, So why did

543
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 2: they lose all the momentum? They had all the momentum

544
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 2: and they lost it, but then they got it back again,

545
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:38,640
Speaker 2: and then they lost it because it was never a factor.

546
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 2: They had good plays, bad plays. It's a football game.

547
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:44,119
Speaker 2: We've all been there. Man, We're rolling and then a

548
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 2: guy jumps off sides. Well, if we had all the momentum,

549
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 2: why do you jump off sides? I don't know, because

550
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:55,639
Speaker 2: it's nothing. It feels comfortable for everybody to explain these

551
00:25:55,680 --> 00:26:01,160
Speaker 2: phenomenons of ups and downs in momentum means I don't

552
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 2: really know what's going on, and it just feels like

553
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 2: that's what it is, and it just it doesn't impact

554
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:10,440
Speaker 2: the game? Am I saying in the minds of the guys,

555
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter. It of course matters. I would argue

556
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:19,720
Speaker 2: it's confidence the game. Why in that four possession sequence.

557
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 2: Did they have momentum? Lose it? Have it, lose it, score,

558
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,920
Speaker 2: miss the field goal, I miss the extra point, take

559
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 2: the ball away, fumble it back, then score, then miss

560
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 2: the two point conversion. But I thought they had all

561
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:34,479
Speaker 2: the momentum.

562
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 3: He's good, he's good, he's well spoken, he's well spoken.

563
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:39,200
Speaker 3: He has notes. Do you have notes? No, we don't

564
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:39,919
Speaker 3: have note for me.

565
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:43,360
Speaker 1: It's just it's the values in the percentages are high enough.

566
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:44,879
Speaker 1: Yet there isn't it so much of a gap to

567
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 1: where I do think this is going to be continue

568
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 1: to be an argument until this gap gets wider to

569
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 1: where your twenty five years goes to the last forty years.

570
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,439
Speaker 1: The percentages are forty nine versus forty one, and not

571
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:58,359
Speaker 1: like you know, a couple percentage points.

572
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 3: Can I ask a question, why do you hate? What's

573
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,640
Speaker 3: the difference if the percentages are low going for two

574
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 3: in the second to last drive as opposed to the

575
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,400
Speaker 3: last drive, what's the big deal?

576
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 2: The simplest way to put it is, I just and

577
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 2: again it's not my opinion. I just understand that fifteen

578
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,640
Speaker 2: points is not a two possession game, and that eight

579
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 2: points is not a one possession game. They could be

580
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,440
Speaker 2: it's depending on the success of the of the two

581
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,679
Speaker 2: point play, right, because I got to go eight and

582
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 2: seven or seven and eight, and I have to go

583
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:37,400
Speaker 2: eight to get eight. But I know over this season,

584
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 2: all of our the data is give at the high

585
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,639
Speaker 2: side as a coin flip. Some years it's a little

586
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,879
Speaker 2: bit lower, but it's usually between like forty and forty five,

587
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 2: maybe as upwards of like forty eight percent. Let's just

588
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 2: say it's somewhere in the forties. That means the likelihood

589
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 2: of getting it and I know are less than the

590
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,080
Speaker 2: opportunity to get it. So if I treat an an

591
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,879
Speaker 2: eight point game as one possession and I let the

592
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 2: game go all the way down and I fail, I

593
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 2: have no hope. Not that an on side kick is

594
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 2: an overly great option, it's just the only option. The

595
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 2: only other option is to high five and walk off

596
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,679
Speaker 2: the field. So again, I'm not saying there's this like

597
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 2: miraculous ability to extend the game, but I'd like to

598
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,880
Speaker 2: at least give myself the chance that the Cowboys had

599
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 2: when they were down fifteen and they went for two,

600
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,880
Speaker 2: and they did recover the on side kick against Atlanta

601
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:33,399
Speaker 2: and they won. This exact situation years ago. So like,

602
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,119
Speaker 2: do people recover on side kicks at a high rate? No,

603
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 2: but would you certainly have that in your back pocket

604
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 2: with time remaining in the event you fail the two

605
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 2: point conversion? The answer is yes, and I'd rather recover

606
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 2: that on side kick with three minutes than three seconds.

607
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 2: That's it. If you continue to operate that a two

608
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 2: point play is a foe gone conclusion. Philadelphia just failed.

609
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 2: If it was a foregone conclusion, they would have been

610
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 2: down by seven. It's not a foregone conclusion that you're

611
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 2: gonna get it. So this notion of we're gonna go

612
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 2: play defense, we're down by eight and we're gonna go

613
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 2: in and we're gonna force overtime, what makes you think

614
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 2: I just watched you fail a two point conversion, So

615
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 2: what three minutes later changes it. I mean, you might

616
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 2: get it, but again we're talking a coin flip. You're

617
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 2: gonna rest it on a literally a less than a

618
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 2: coin flip. That's it. That's the entire argument that all

619
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 2: of us are making, and no one can give me

620
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 2: a reasonable stance that I would consider if someone said, hey, actually, Greg,

621
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 2: this is why I'd be like, Okay, I get that.

622
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 2: But the only argument is, we're gonna just pretend we're

623
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 2: in this game for three minutes longer. And I would say,

624
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 2: if you end up going for two with ten seconds

625
00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 2: left down eight and you score and you fail, those

626
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 2: previous three minutes of hope were just as meaningless as

627
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 2: the three the final three minutes when you failed. Those

628
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 2: three minutes of time, whether it's before you inevitably missed

629
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 2: the two point conversion or after you missed the two

630
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 2: point conversion, they're all meaningless minutes just because you feel

631
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 2: optimism is irrelevant, thinks.

632
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 1: It's good optimism. Like it's almost like if you missed

633
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 1: the two point early, it's more anger that you feel,

634
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 1: versus if you missed the two point late. I feel

635
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 1: like it's more sadness, and it is the two point.

636
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 3: But sadness you have the ability to keep a team

637
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 3: together longer. Yeah, as opposed to anger. You miss it

638
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 3: said god, we suck, why could we not hit this play?

639
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 3: And then if you miss it on the last one,

640
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 3: you're like, damn, we were so close, and Greg by

641
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 3: your logic, I look at all of these games and

642
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 3: it's like, Okay, it was meaningless for the Saints to

643
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 3: play this weekend against the Dolphins. I mean, there was

644
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 3: ane kick in that game. They scored seventeen points, but

645
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 3: Dolphins scored twenty one. So the cell full sixty minutes

646
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 3: is now meaningless. Bucks beat the Cardinals twenty seventeen, so

647
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 3: the Cardinals.

648
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 2: Fin is the game meaningless.

649
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 1: I'm confused because.

650
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 3: You're saying that these three minutes are meaningless because you

651
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,959
Speaker 3: just prolong the inevitable pain. By all these teams Lee

652
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 3: losing were essentially prolonging their inevitable pain. So if we

653
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 3: just if we go for two early, it turns into

654
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 3: why are we doing that as opposed to doing the

655
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 3: same thing late, regardless to the same result.

656
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 2: It's I'm not making I'm not making the argument that

657
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 2: the final the biggest argument that everyone makes. You guys

658
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 2: are making it today is if you fail with three

659
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 2: minutes to go after the first touchdown when you're trying

660
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 2: to make it seven and then as a rult it's nine.

661
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 2: At that moment, Will said, you fight for sixty minutes,

662
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 2: not fifty seven. You guys are making the argument that

663
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 2: the final three minutes of the game become meaningless because

664
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Speaker 2: of the early failed two point play. I'm just suggesting

665
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 2: they're meaningless even if you don't get the two point

666
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 2: play at the end of the game. So that's just

667
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 2: the argument that's being used against this these other scenarios.

668
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 2: Listen for the Minnesota Vikings. The game I called yesterday.

669
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 2: Once Seattle went up three to nothing, the game was over.

670
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 2: It was me winning twenty six nothing. It didn't matter.

671
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 2: There was at no point did it look like they

672
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 2: were going to score point. So again, I'm not sitting

673
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 2: here saying that teams shouldn't play and teams shouldn't compete.

674
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 2: Of course they should. I'm just making the argument in

675
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 2: response to what's been thrown at me. It's like, you

676
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 2: ended the game with three and a half minutes by

677
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 2: failing the two point play, and I'm like, a three

678
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 2: and a half minutes that are meaningless. It's still depending

679
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 2: on a two point try. You might as well figure

680
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 2: it out sooner than later.

681
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's all. Okay, understand you do a good job.

682
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 1: Each week. I feel like I get to learn something

683
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 1: new with you because I saw another gentleman he quote

684
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 1: tweeted you like this is why you are who you

685
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 1: are and your job and your seat I do. I

686
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 1: think you do a great job breaking this stuff down

687
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 1: because I've always not always, but kind of been like

688
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 1: a pushback against the analytics stuff because there's just anti analytics,

689
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 1: not fully anti analytics, like I get, you know, like

690
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 1: going for two when you're down fourteen or whatever it

691
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 1: is and you're down ten and you score, It's like, okay,

692
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 1: you got to go for two. Here, I wrap my

693
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 1: head around that, like going forward on fourth down. I'm

694
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 1: beginning to wrap my head all around all these scenarios.

695
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 1: I'm going forward on fourth down. I've been a slow

696
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 1: burn on the analytics. I've been more of the angry

697
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 1: old white that's like, that's not how you do it.

698
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 1: Like I want to play. You got Jalen Carter, you

699
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 1: got Zach Bawd, Like you play defense. Yeah, defensive mindset,

700
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 1: but it's a mindset. But but we'll all to give

701
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 1: you the I'm not debating any of that, Listen, I

702
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 1: know you're not debating that. I'm trying to give you

703
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 1: a compliment right now, and I just.

704
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 2: Want to say you have a job attitude and all that.

705
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 2: It matters, yes, yes, but it's not going to make

706
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 2: you more or less inclined to I guess my take.

707
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 1: Is think of us all on the sideline, like you

708
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 1: kick the extra point, go down eight. We're all on

709
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 1: the same team together. It's like we're staring at each

710
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 1: other and it's like, get us the ball back, like

711
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 1: you took.

712
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Speaker 2: The will if you took the I don't believe you,

713
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 2: JJ Watt, the Eagles. These I just have a hard

714
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 2: time believing. And maybe I'm wrong, maybe I have a

715
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 2: high opinion of you guys. I just have a very

716
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 2: hard time believing that you guys kicked that extra point

717
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 2: down eight, and you take that field with piss coming

718
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 2: out of ero and you're just fucking ripping to go

719
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,360
Speaker 2: play defense, and all of a sudden it's nine and

720
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 2: you say I quit.

721
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Speaker 1: No, you're You're a spot on with that, So you

722
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Speaker 1: are spot That's hard.

723
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Speaker 2: I don't think J. Watt plays any less hard. I

724
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 2: don't think you're playing less hard. I don't think the

725
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,799
Speaker 2: Eagles are competing less. I think you guys are professional

726
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 2: football players, and whether you're down seven, eight, nine, twenty,

727
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 2: the expectation is you're gonna play your ass off. Yes,

728
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,319
Speaker 2: So looking at your teammate in the eyes and going

729
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 2: we've got a shot, let's go win one for the Gipper,

730
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 2: I think it's just nonsense.

731
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 1: I guess it's more of just the optimism and hope

732
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 1: that is there when you're down eight points.

733
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 2: Hope is not a strategy.

734
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Speaker 6: Oh that was a good way, Greg.

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00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 1: That's why did I love having you on every week? Man?

736
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 2: Why did why when Washington won the toss last night?

737
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 1: Did they go on defense so they could have the

738
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 1: ball last and go for two? Of course, and they

739
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:26,240
Speaker 1: had the perfect play dialed up Bro on that running

740
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 1: back when he motions when he motioned from outside, and

741
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 1: I saw that they weren't in a full cluster. The

742
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 1: receivers weren't in a true bunch, but close enough together.

743
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 1: Or I'm like, I'm looking at the I'm looking at

744
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 1: the Denver defense and be like, man, a lot of

745
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 1: guys are on the same level right now.

746
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 2: Uh.

747
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 1: They run this pick play with the running back to

748
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:44,879
Speaker 1: the flat like this is gonna be wide, dude. Once

749
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 1: the running back takes off, I'm like, oh god, they

750
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 1: got it. I see Oh buddy, I think Defonga running

751
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,839
Speaker 1: to run into one of his defensive players. They had it, Bro,

752
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 1: and then Nick Benito just bats the ball down. They

753
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 1: had the perfect play executed.

754
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 2: Yes, but they had already made up their mind that

755
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 2: they were going to go for two. They wanted to

756
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 2: know what they needed. So the big argument is no

757
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 2: different than the argument we just had. You want as

758
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 2: much information as early as possible to impact your decision making,

759
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,840
Speaker 2: and whether that's having the ball second in overtime or

760
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 2: knowing when I need an on side kick or not,

761
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:20,840
Speaker 2: or knowing how many points I need, how many possessions

762
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 2: I need. The entire gist of all of this is

763
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 2: to control as many variables as humanly possible. That's the

764
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,359
Speaker 2: bottom line, and that's why people use the data.

765
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 1: That's the end of the clip right there. That's a

766
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:38,320
Speaker 1: that's a that's a go, because I'll still have questions

767
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 1: each and every week when something happens.

768
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 2: In Vegas at eight am, because I couldn't wait to talk.

769
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 1: To you guys. But now, but now pre will where

770
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,240
Speaker 1: I was more anti analytics is gonna be I'm totally

771
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: right about this. It's more anger. And then there's going

772
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 1: to be a part of me that's like, wait till

773
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 1: we get Greg gone and he can break this down

774
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 1: a little bit more for me.

775
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 2: Five years ago, if you went for two down fifteen,

776
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 2: I mean, if you ten years ago, if you went

777
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 2: for two down fourteen after your first touchdown to make

778
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 2: it six, you would have been thrown off a bridge.

779
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 2: That was so bizarre to anyone. What do you mean

780
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 2: you're down seven and seven and you play for overtime?

781
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 2: Why would you ever take it now? You're gonna now

782
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,240
Speaker 2: if people don't go for two after the first touchdown

783
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:24,240
Speaker 2: to try to make it six, people are like baffled.

784
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:27,839
Speaker 1: It takes took in that right there. That's gonna take

785
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,320
Speaker 1: a lot of time for your boy, Willie here, like,

786
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, okay, if you're gonna go for two, you

787
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 1: could just go for two at the end of the game.

788
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 1: When you when you're sitting there, it's like, are they

789
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 1: gonna tie it up with the final extra point? Are

790
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 1: they gonna go for two and try to win?

791
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 2: What's more likely to convert a two point play going

792
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 2: one for one or one for two.

793
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 3: That's not that's so you're arguing, he said. Will is

794
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 3: just saying, when am I gonna go for two? And

795
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 3: the answer to will is, I'm gonna go.

796
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 1: And we're down fourteen, we score a touchdown, you're gonna

797
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 1: see Willie boy comfortably safely kick the extra point.

798
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 2: But I'm asking you, let's say I go Let's well,

799
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 2: my point it that's my whole point of all this.

800
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 2: The fourteen one is so easy because if I go

801
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:06,879
Speaker 2: for two and if I have to get a two

802
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 2: point conversion. Am I more likely to get a two

803
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 2: point conversion going one for one, which is your scenario,

804
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 2: or just one for two, which is do it first?

805
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 2: If I fail, I'll do it again and tie the game.

806
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 2: Am I more likely to go one for two or

807
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:21,280
Speaker 2: one for one.

808
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:25,359
Speaker 1: One for two? Yeah, You're more likely to go one

809
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 1: for two.

810
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 3: That's a great point, Greg, That is that that's a

811
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 3: point you make because I'm kind of sit with you

812
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 3: on that being like Europe.

813
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 2: Well, that's why you don't do it at the last one, right.

814
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 2: If the goal is to win the game, which.

815
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 1: Is I'm still doing all of these, I'm going one

816
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 1: for one in my percentage going to be one hundred percent.

817
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 3: Hell yeah you are, like yeah, because.

818
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 1: You fail the first one, then the best you could

819
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:47,959
Speaker 1: do is tie the game.

820
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 3: Greg. This is an example of Will being out of

821
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 3: the game very long. Like when Will was playing, there

822
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 3: wasn't this, you know, forty to forty No matter what

823
00:38:57,680 --> 00:38:59,320
Speaker 3: we go for a fourth down. That's kind of like

824
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 3: the norm in the NFL, Like you get in the

825
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 3: middle part of the field, you go for it, and

826
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 3: fourth down. When we were playing that was take a

827
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 3: delay a game punt that was that was more of

828
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:11,359
Speaker 3: the strategy. It's really been in the last three four

829
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 3: years that this go for the fourth down thing has

830
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 3: really changed the game in a lot of ways. I

831
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 3: think it was Campbell and Quinn who were kind of

832
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 3: like steam headed that whole entire thing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they were the early adopters.

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Speaker 2: How about the Panthers yesterday? Yeah, insane, like win that

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Speaker 2: game if they don't throw two fourth down touchdown passes

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Speaker 2: in a game. They ran it forty something times. But

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Speaker 2: because they went forty for one to sixty. They won

875
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,439
Speaker 2: the game because they used fourth down and Bryce Young

876
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 2: threw three touchdowns.

877
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 3: Yeah.

878
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 1: Absolutely, that's great. That's great. That's that's that's great.

879
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:21,839
Speaker 3: If it's forty, that's great.

880
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 1: Going after you, Yeah, forty times running the ball.

881
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 3: Here's why those plays worked better throwing those touchdowns is

882
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:30,359
Speaker 3: you're running the ball effectively. Fourth and one, they got

883
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,800
Speaker 3: everybody out there because they've got dab all in the backfield.

884
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 3: Now we're playing a little press. We can get behind

885
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 3: that that secondary. So thank god they're ran the ball

886
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 3: forty times for one second, thank god, thank god. And

887
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 3: I appreciate you bringing that up because it's all about

888
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 3: gathering as much information as you possibly can to make

889
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:48,839
Speaker 3: the right decision right greg correct by running the ball effectively.

890
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 2: They should have just they should have kicked more field goals.

891
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 1: Hey, you got the you got the Panthers coming out

892
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 1: of the South. Panther's been playing some good ball man,

893
00:41:58,520 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 1: that defense picking.

894
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 2: On the buff twice over, so they have a buy

895
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 2: this week. And they got four games left, so they

896
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 2: got a tough stretch. They got Tampa twice post by,

897
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 2: They've got the Seahawks at home, who are a wagon

898
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 2: and I don't remember who their fourth game is, but

899
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 2: three of their final four games are real, So I

900
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 2: mean they control their destiny. I mean they can. They

901
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 2: can get those Bucks games. Again, no one gave them

902
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 2: a chance against the Rams. You know, you wouldn't think

903
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 2: the Seahawks going in there with how well we've seen

904
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 2: them play, especially that defense. But again, no one gave

905
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 2: them a shot yesterday against the Rams, and two weeks

906
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 2: ago we just saw the Rams beat the Seahawks. So again,

907
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 2: if you can turn the ball over and you can

908
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 2: generate explosive plays, and to Canalys's credit, use every single

909
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 2: down to pull off an upset.

910
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 6: We've seen in the.

911
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:51,879
Speaker 2: NFL that that works, right, Like Stafford hadn't thrown a pick,

912
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,400
Speaker 2: and like what felt like ten years, he throws a

913
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 2: red zone pick and then on the next drive he

914
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 2: throws a pick six. So like that's what's funny about

915
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 2: the game of football. Is like, yeah, on paper, if

916
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 2: they play each other, the Rams probably win seven to ten.

917
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 2: But you don't play best as seven series in football.

918
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 2: You play once.

919
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that defense is salty man picking off Stafford's

920
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 1: who hasn't down an interception I don't know how long.

921
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 2: And they did it without arguably their two best players.

922
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 2: Trayvon Mahra got suspended because he punched John Jennings and

923
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 2: the balls after Monday night's game and J. C. Horn

924
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 2: was out.

925
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah.

926
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 3: By the way, By the way, that fourth game for

927
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:28,320
Speaker 3: the Panthers is the Saints.

928
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:33,760
Speaker 1: Okay, So and again though you've beat you've beat the Rams,

929
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 1: you go into Green Bay, you beat Green Bay. Like

930
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 1: this team can beat anybody.

931
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 2: Right, they've beaten the Cowboys. They have beaten the Cowboys.

932
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:45,240
Speaker 1: That was pre trade, pre trade Cowboys.

933
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 2: Still they've beaten the Cowboys, the Packers, and the Rams,

934
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:55,359
Speaker 2: and they've lost to the Saints. Saints games, what's killing them?

935
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:59,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is just crazy to see that Bryce Young

936
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 3: his story line, he gets benched, comes back, now he's

937
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 3: playing at a high level. Well, they're gonna pay him.

938
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 3: They're gonna pay him, break him off.

939
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 1: What do you think? What are you making of the

940
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:14,760
Speaker 1: East Cowboys winning the last two big games? Eagles, the Chiefs.

941
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 1: Philly's dropped with the last two weeks. Yeah, I think

942
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 1: it's been two. I know we had a long Thanksgiving break.

943
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 1: Phillies dropped the last two. We're not like a game

944
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 1: and a half off because Cowboy Dallas has that tie, Like,

945
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 1: do you in your head, is there a world that

946
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 1: you're buying and believing that the Dallas Cowboys can win

947
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 1: the NFC East?

948
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:38,800
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I mean I wouldn't bet on it. I still

949
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:42,919
Speaker 2: think for all the issues that Philadelphia has, I still

950
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:46,800
Speaker 2: think their roster is better. I think they have the pedigree.

951
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:49,320
Speaker 2: I think they they they have the dudes, they have

952
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 2: the defense, they have the obviously the offense has some problems,

953
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,880
Speaker 2: but they still have just playmakers that can beat you

954
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 2: even if the scheme, even if the situation is not perfect.

955
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 2: At the end of the day, especially the playoffs, like

956
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 2: talent matters, talent wins. So I again, if you made

957
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 2: me pick one or the other right now, I'd still

958
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:12,720
Speaker 2: probably pick Philadelphia. But for weeks now I've been saying,

959
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 2: if Dallas could just figure out a way to just

960
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 2: get middle of the pack on defense, Yeah, I don't

961
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:20,399
Speaker 2: know if they're ever going to be a top ten unit.

962
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 2: They're not there yet. They've got a lot of draft picks,

963
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:26,720
Speaker 2: they've got some time over the the next couple seasons

964
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 2: to try to improve the defense. But with pickings and

965
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 2: CD and DAK and the healthy offensive line and their

966
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 2: ability to score points, especially in the passing game, if

967
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 2: that defense can just hold, serve and not give up

968
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 2: thirty they were averaging thirty one, giving up thirty two

969
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 2: at one point in the season, and you say, oh

970
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 2: my god, just be middle of the road. Give up

971
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 2: twenty five, right, Like we're not saying you got to

972
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 2: be the Seahawks and give up ten, but like, give

973
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 2: up mid to low twenties and we're gonna win a

974
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 2: lot of games. That's kind of post bye week, post trades,

975
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:03,359
Speaker 2: that's kind of what they've become. And as you can see,

976
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 2: they're a whole different animal. When they're not just chasing

977
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 2: thirty points every game, make teams chase them. That's when

978
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:13,479
Speaker 2: Dallas has been their best in years past. They've built

979
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:15,800
Speaker 2: a defense that can play with a lead. They've built

980
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 2: a defense that defends the pass because their offense scores

981
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:20,760
Speaker 2: so much and all of a sudden they're run defense

982
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, the rush attempts and all

983
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 2: of that doesn't matter because you're not going to be

984
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:28,280
Speaker 2: able to score thirty plus against Dallas when their offense

985
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:31,400
Speaker 2: is rolling operating in a very conservative approach. Right, So

986
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:33,919
Speaker 2: last year when Dak is out and all hell breaks lose,

987
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:37,320
Speaker 2: the defense gets run through. Micaeh Parsons is no factor.

988
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 2: Digs in Bland are both hurt and not productive because

989
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 2: they're not defending the passing game and their defense goes

990
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 2: to shit. It's all connected to the offense. So if

991
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:48,240
Speaker 2: they can just get to baseline, I don't want.

992
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:51,879
Speaker 1: To play Dallas, right, and they're getting healthy two on defense. Yeah,

993
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 1: with Hooker coming back. You know, this is a couple

994
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:55,879
Speaker 1: of weeks ago after that trade have but the trade

995
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 1: looks good, man.

996
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:59,319
Speaker 3: Yea Quinn Williams is playing, He's like elevated that defense.

997
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:02,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, Quinn Williams. You got Logan Wilson that week. They

998
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 1: brought him over him and Kenneth Murray's rotating on every

999
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:09,279
Speaker 1: series there there was a linebacker. Like when those competitions

1000
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 1: are happening and the cream is rising to the top,

1001
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 1: Like you just see the communication from the back with

1002
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 1: the back seven, the communication with the defensive line just

1003
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 1: you can tell they're running around hungry, and it's been like,

1004
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 1: it's been fun to watch. Dallas has been fun to

1005
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 1: watch lately since those trades have happened.

1006
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 3: Well, anytime you have a insane he doesn't try and

1007
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 3: he's just doing he could if he gave.

1008
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 2: I'm convinced you can tell the entire stadium that he's

1009
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:39,840
Speaker 2: running a slant route on third or fourth down and

1010
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 2: it does not matter. They're gonna throw the ball to

1011
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 2: him and he's gonna catch it.

1012
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:49,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, Ie, He's unbelievable. If someone just said, hey, George,

1013
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 3: if you give one hundred percent effort, you'll be the

1014
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 3: greatest to ever do it. And I believe if you

1015
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:56,360
Speaker 3: just take that, if you could just take that advice,

1016
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 3: because what's George's thinking? Man, It's like lack of effort

1017
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 3: on some play here and there. He's a bit of

1018
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 3: a cancer and stealing is the way they got rid

1019
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 3: of him. And now it's like he's in a contract

1020
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 3: here and everyone's like, Yo, this is the dude. My

1021
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 3: fear is my biggest fear for the Cowboys is they're

1022
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 3: gonna break him off and he's gonna shut it down

1023
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 3: because he has based on his track record, he's a

1024
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 3: guy that can do that.

1025
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 1: No, I don't which it could happen, but why can't

1026
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:21,879
Speaker 1: we just enjoy the moment?

1027
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 3: Enjoyed the moment. I'm just saying, Hey, we're on the titank.

1028
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 3: There might be an iceberg ahead of us. You guys

1029
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 3: just want to pay attention. I was like, fuck it, dude,

1030
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 3: we're gonna have fun in this ball, right.

1031
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:33,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's keep saying all down, throttle down.

1032
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1033
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 2: And I agree with you. I think that's everybody's biggest issue.

1034
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 2: And again, you start paying multiple receivers. Dat's already making

1035
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:43,880
Speaker 2: sixty million. You'd got two corners that are at the

1036
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 2: top and Bland and digs. There's only so much money

1037
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 2: to go around. Obviously one of the reasons they didn't

1038
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:50,839
Speaker 2: resign Micah. But I would also say, when you talk

1039
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 2: about George Pickens and you look back at his time

1040
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 2: in Pittsburgh. At some point we have to start asking,

1041
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:01,839
Speaker 2: is the drama Offensively created in Pittsburgh? Yeah, because he's

1042
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 2: gone and Aaron Rodgers he's doing interviews yesterday, where the

1043
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 2: assumption is like, guys aren't coming to meetings, guys are

1044
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 2: running the wrong routes, guys are not doing what they're told,

1045
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:15,840
Speaker 2: Guys are missing. So like, was the chaos Offensively in

1046
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh was that Pickens's fault or was that just Pittsburgh?

1047
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 3: Dude, You're You're not wrong with that assumption at all,

1048
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 3: because I feel like for the last couple of years

1049
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:28,800
Speaker 3: it's been like, hey, the marriage between Pittsburgh and Tomlin,

1050
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:31,400
Speaker 3: although it was so great at one point, it feels

1051
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:33,920
Speaker 3: like it's getting steel. The relationship needs a little kickup.

1052
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:37,239
Speaker 3: And seeing the way it's at and how they've kind

1053
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:38,879
Speaker 3: of produced the last couple of years where they really

1054
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 3: can't find an answer and their defense. They have one

1055
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 3: hundred and seventy nine million dollars invested in that defense

1056
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 3: and they're just not producing the way they should. It

1057
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 3: feels to me that like we're headed towards you know

1058
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 3: that Black Monday or whatever it is at the end

1059
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 3: of the year when the Steelers don't make the playoffs,

1060
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:56,279
Speaker 3: that Tomlin is not the head coach of Steelers and

1061
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 3: he ends up becoming, you know, the Giants.

1062
00:49:58,000 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 1: Or if they do make the playoffs by just one game,

1063
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 1: because that seems to be the situation they are in

1064
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 1: absolutely every year, year in and year out. They have

1065
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 1: the highest paid defense. You got the pieces on defense. Offensively,

1066
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 1: it's like you go out, you get DK you got

1067
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, Like all they've needed is a quarterback. And

1068
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 1: now you're still in the same spot again with and

1069
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:20,439
Speaker 1: at one point when the Ravens are one and five

1070
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:23,239
Speaker 1: and they're still favored to win the division and all

1071
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 1: the sports books like you have such a such a

1072
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 1: multiple game lead over everybody in the division, and then

1073
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 1: to kind of soil it. Now we're sitting here, you're

1074
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:35,720
Speaker 1: tied with Baltimore. Joe Burrow's back slinging the rock around.

1075
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 1: The Bengals get back in this conversation and win the

1076
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:40,839
Speaker 1: North by the by the end of the year, if

1077
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 1: and when those things happen, whether it's Baltimore or the Bengals,

1078
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:48,360
Speaker 1: whatever the drama is, we will I think will be

1079
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:51,319
Speaker 1: at that spot again to where it'll be Tomlin's going

1080
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 1: to be the topic of conversation because the same thing

1081
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 1: keeps happening year in and year out. And this year

1082
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:58,400
Speaker 1: you had a best of a shot as anybody with

1083
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers with that defense with like a four game

1084
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 1: lead on everybody.

1085
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 3: And if you look at the defense too, like none

1086
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 3: of those players are young, like TJ. Watt's been there

1087
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 3: for ten years, Cameron Hayward is the leader of your defense.

1088
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:14,359
Speaker 3: He's been for thirteen fourteen years. Like, at some point

1089
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:17,360
Speaker 3: there's gonna be turnover and it might be best for

1090
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 3: both situations for Tom Whin to get out, cause it's

1091
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 3: like you're gonna have a great legacy. You'renna be one

1092
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:23,880
Speaker 3: of the best coaches to ever do it at a

1093
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:27,279
Speaker 3: you know, a predominant franchise like the Pittsburgh Steelers. But

1094
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:29,839
Speaker 3: once those players leave, if you can't do it one

1095
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 3: hundred and seventy nine million dollars invested, what's gonna happen?

1096
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 1: Then? Yeah, you get a bad losing season, don't get more.

1097
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 2: Were you guys having on from Ohio State? Is it

1098
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:38,319
Speaker 2: Ryan Day?

1099
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:38,799
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1100
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 2: Ryan Day, I'm out I'm saying, what's up?

1101
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:44,439
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, yeah, absolutely, I'm not leaving.

1102
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 2: That's my guy.

1103
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:47,239
Speaker 3: Is it really your right?

1104
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 2: I just bombarded your show. Sorry, you're good, bro, I

1105
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 2: gotta stay. That's my dude.

1106
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:53,399
Speaker 3: Is it actually your dude?

1107
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 6: Oh?

1108
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:55,799
Speaker 2: I've known Ryan for a long time.

1109
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:58,319
Speaker 3: Now, okay, Well Ryan's not coming on.

1110
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 1: The show, yes is he?

1111
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:03,319
Speaker 3: YEAHO states on here.

1112
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:05,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, Ryan Day's coming on the show.

1113
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:06,759
Speaker 3: He's coming up.

1114
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:07,359
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1115
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 3: No one told me Ryan Day's coming on the show.

1116
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 1: Ryan, Now, no, no, you're not getting punked. He had

1117
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 1: a cart up saying would you want Ryan Day one

1118
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 1: for Pumped for Cade and Pavia come on, and he goes,

1119
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 1: i'ms up or down?

1120
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:22,319
Speaker 3: I just went okay, Well, I was actually gonna say

1121
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 3: to you, Greg, if you're actually boys with them, please

1122
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:26,320
Speaker 3: send him my apologies because I said a lot of

1123
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 3: mean things and I was wrong. I was wrong.

1124
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 2: You guys are all wrong Day, we're all the man,

1125
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:35,360
Speaker 2: and you Michigan guys got to get out of your

1126
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:36,160
Speaker 2: own fucking way.

1127
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 1: You know what. Unfortunately I don't disagree with you, Ryan Day,

1128
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 1: friend of the show. We got to go out to

1129
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 1: a holl States sit down.

1130
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 2: True, I mean all the guy does is win virtually

1131
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 2: every game he coaches and the natty I mean, I mean,

1132
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 2: if that's what you're into in today's day and age,

1133
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 2: I guess that's fine. Is the goal to beat everyone? Yeah,

1134
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:56,360
Speaker 2: I guess the goal is to win the national title.

1135
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 3: And I did not know that Ryan Dale was coming

1136
00:52:59,600 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 3: on the show.

1137
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:04,799
Speaker 2: I'm actually I'm a little guys at Ohio State setting.

1138
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 3: I'm actually I'm actually like heart is elevated right now

1139
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 3: because I had no idea.

1140
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, comes for everybody, doubt right.

1141
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 1: Hey, when when does Ryan Day come on eleven thirty?

1142
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 1: So we got some time? Another thing I want to

1143
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 1: uh get into with you, Greg, the NFC North do

1144
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:32,759
Speaker 1: the Chicago Bears.

1145
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:33,319
Speaker 3: Number one seed?

1146
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 1: I am weirdly just starting to like them, not in

1147
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:38,360
Speaker 1: way everybody's like, will will please stay away from the

1148
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:41,320
Speaker 1: Chicago Bears. We don't want your curses over in Chicago.

1149
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:44,040
Speaker 1: Nebraska stucks, please stay on that side. I just want

1150
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 1: Bears fans to know I'm not trying to invade and

1151
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 1: be like I'm a Chicago Bears fan. I'm just saying

1152
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 1: from the outside watching everything that this city, this team

1153
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 1: has went through, all the question marks I was part

1154
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:56,319
Speaker 1: of them with Cale Williams. But to just see that team,

1155
00:53:56,760 --> 00:54:00,160
Speaker 1: the way that they get excited after every game in

1156
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 1: that locker room, it just it's like you have fomo

1157
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:04,880
Speaker 1: watching it as a former player of like, how much

1158
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 1: fun this team's happened, because again, they're still not bottom

1159
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:09,800
Speaker 1: of the barrel, but they have question marks on defense,

1160
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:12,760
Speaker 1: but they're very opportunistic. At the same time, Caleb Williams

1161
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 1: is he has a lot of inaccuracy issues, but the

1162
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 1: dude just continues to hang in the pocket and sling it.

1163
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:19,799
Speaker 1: You see the creativity on offense. You see the belief

1164
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:21,959
Speaker 1: in Ben Johnson, you see the fun that they're having,

1165
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 1: and the fact that they're sitting the top of the

1166
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 1: NFC North right now with the Detroit Lions, they might

1167
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 1: not make the playoffs. Like that's a real conversation that's

1168
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 1: happening right now with them being seven and five. I'm

1169
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:34,360
Speaker 1: just I'm happy for the Bears. I'm excited for that

1170
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 1: fan base. They've been fun to watch.

1171
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:38,839
Speaker 3: You said at the beginning of this year, we need

1172
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:41,720
Speaker 3: these kids in Chicago and in the suburb of Chicago

1173
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 3: to wear something other than I'm Mike Dick a jersey.

1174
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:47,719
Speaker 3: And fortunately for all those parents out there. Next year,

1175
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 3: these kids are gonna have their fingernails painted. They're gonna

1176
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:53,240
Speaker 3: be wearing Caleb william jerseys. And that's exciting.

1177
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:55,800
Speaker 1: And just Coach Johnson, they've just been what have you

1178
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:58,480
Speaker 1: made of the NFC North, the surgeons of the Chicago

1179
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 1: Bears being a half a game back, like they're sitting

1180
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:04,399
Speaker 1: there both at the top, Detroit seven to five.

1181
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:09,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the Bears. I think everyone knew when

1182
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 2: Ben Johnson got that job, he was the bell of

1183
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:14,320
Speaker 2: the ball, right, He's the coach no matter what anyone

1184
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 2: tells you. Over the last couple hiring cycles, as happy

1185
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 2: as they were to get whoever they hired, everybody wanted

1186
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 2: Ben Johnson, and then hired whoever they hired as a

1187
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:27,440
Speaker 2: secondary third, you know, so on and so forth, he

1188
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:30,319
Speaker 2: decided he's very picky. He ends up taking the job

1189
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:32,800
Speaker 2: in Chicago this year, and I think that said a

1190
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 2: lot about what he viewed the roster, how he viewed

1191
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 2: Caleb Williams, how he felt they were built going forward.

1192
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 2: I think the expectation was that he was going to

1193
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 2: turn it around. We had them in the preseason game.

1194
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 2: We had their preseason game against Buffalo, a million year,

1195
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:48,520
Speaker 2: you know, a million months ago, back in August, and

1196
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:50,799
Speaker 2: there was a lot of optimism, a lot of hope,

1197
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 2: but there was also some reality, like, we got some

1198
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 2: work to do, we got to turn this thing around.

1199
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:57,919
Speaker 2: It's not gonna happen overnight. I think it's happened even

1200
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:00,360
Speaker 2: faster than they all And if they were being honest,

1201
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:02,520
Speaker 2: like I think they thought they'd turned around, but I

1202
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:04,400
Speaker 2: don't think they thought they'd turn it around this quickly

1203
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:06,239
Speaker 2: that they'd be literally sitting at the top of the

1204
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:10,320
Speaker 2: division on the first day of December. You know, I

1205
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:12,920
Speaker 2: think we for a while, said Rabels, the foregone conclusion

1206
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 2: for Coach of the Year if this thing continues to

1207
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 2: go the Ben Johnson turn around, the Rabel turnaround. I mean,

1208
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:23,440
Speaker 2: there's a lot of really interesting Coach of the Year candidates,

1209
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:26,799
Speaker 2: but I mean Shanahan, I mean the job that he's

1210
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:28,880
Speaker 2: done there keeping that thing afloat. I think when it

1211
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 2: all comes down to the division, it's crazy that the

1212
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:34,200
Speaker 2: Lions might not be in the division. It shows the

1213
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 2: power of replacing coordinators year in in, year out, which

1214
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 2: is a whole other conversation about why you hire offensive

1215
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:42,759
Speaker 2: coordinators to be your head coach, because you don't lose

1216
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:46,480
Speaker 2: Sean McVay, you don't lose Kyle Shanahan. You do lose

1217
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 2: Ben Johnson. Dan Campbell's now taken back over. You know,

1218
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:52,560
Speaker 2: it's hard to replace coordinators year in in, year out.

1219
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:55,439
Speaker 2: They're dealing with that right now. I do think green

1220
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:58,480
Speaker 2: Bay's defense is better. I think green Bay has the

1221
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:02,360
Speaker 2: best combination of defense and quarterback in the division. So

1222
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:05,880
Speaker 2: I would still take green Bay right now as whoever

1223
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:08,160
Speaker 2: ends up being the one, two, three, however it shakes out,

1224
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:10,360
Speaker 2: if they played each other, I'd take green Bay. I

1225
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:12,920
Speaker 2: think Jordan Love's a top five quarterback this year. I

1226
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:15,440
Speaker 2: think he's really good. I think as they continue to

1227
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:19,080
Speaker 2: give the offense more to him, they'll have even better results,

1228
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:23,280
Speaker 2: kind of like we saw in Thanksgiving. And I think defensively,

1229
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:25,960
Speaker 2: Jeff Hathley has done an unbelievable job. That defense is

1230
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 2: really good. So I think that combination. But yeah, I mean,

1231
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:32,680
Speaker 2: you can't not be impressed with the job that Ben Johnson,

1232
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 2: Caleb Williams. They're fun to watch. They're exciting. He's great

1233
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:37,520
Speaker 2: in the locker room, he's taking his shirt off. They're

1234
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 2: giving free hot dogs out Chicago, right now is on fire.

1235
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:43,840
Speaker 2: This is what Chicago people live for. I was there

1236
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:45,840
Speaker 2: my last season there. We made a playoff run. We

1237
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:48,880
Speaker 2: lost in the NFC Championship to the Packers. We beat

1238
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 2: Seattle at home in the snow in the Divisional round. Like,

1239
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 2: there is no greater football city, especially when they're good

1240
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:56,800
Speaker 2: than Chicago.

1241
00:57:57,160 --> 00:58:00,360
Speaker 1: Yeah. God, we could be looking at you know, these

1242
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:02,040
Speaker 1: teams playing for a playoff spot at the end of

1243
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 1: the year. You got Chicago with Green Bay twice, Cincinnati

1244
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:07,840
Speaker 1: and San Francisco, then Detroit, they played Dallas, the Rams,

1245
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:09,840
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh and Minnesota, and then the last game of the

1246
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:10,680
Speaker 1: year they face off.

1247
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:14,440
Speaker 3: And it's so interesting that, like in early October or

1248
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 3: late October, we're kind of sitting there like all these

1249
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:18,800
Speaker 3: teams are kind of figuring themselves out, and we kind

1250
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:20,600
Speaker 3: of know who the cream that's rising the top is

1251
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:23,120
Speaker 3: at this very moment. And then a month has gone

1252
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:26,280
Speaker 3: by and the Bears are the one seed, the Pats

1253
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:30,240
Speaker 3: are the one seed. The Jaguars just leapfrogged over the

1254
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 3: Colts in the South. Colts and Jags are tied with

1255
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 3: Jacks at the tiebreaker, and the Houston Texans are one

1256
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:40,800
Speaker 3: game behind. It is there's so much relevant football about

1257
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:43,400
Speaker 3: to take place in the month of December to where

1258
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 3: it's dude, really, it's actually so fucking exciting, do you see.

1259
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:49,640
Speaker 3: I'll tell you how I feel, and I love each

1260
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:53,400
Speaker 3: your opinion. I feel this skid from the Colts this

1261
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:55,920
Speaker 3: late in the season is the worst possible situation, and

1262
00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:58,400
Speaker 3: they're going to find themselves third place in the AFC South.

1263
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:01,800
Speaker 3: It's it's always with the teams that are gaining traction

1264
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 3: and momentum as a season goes on, as opposed to

1265
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:06,680
Speaker 3: super hot starts, because more oftentimes than not, like we

1266
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 3: saw with the Eagles a couple of years, you see

1267
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 3: a really hot start and then that absolute plummet nosedive

1268
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:14,560
Speaker 3: at the end of the year, maybe limp yourself away

1269
00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:16,600
Speaker 3: into the playoffs, and then you're out after the wildcard round.

1270
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 3: I see that happening with the Colts, and I actually

1271
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:22,520
Speaker 3: see the Houston Texans with that defense. I see them

1272
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:23,240
Speaker 3: winning the South.

1273
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:28,880
Speaker 2: Love that Houston Texans defense is insane, credible. I mean

1274
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:31,160
Speaker 2: what they did to Josh Allen in Buffalo a couple

1275
00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:34,160
Speaker 2: weeks ago was I mean, what they sacked him eight times.

1276
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:38,520
Speaker 2: He's virtually impossible to sack let alone eight times.

1277
00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 3: Sack zero times his last game.

1278
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:43,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he's I mean, obviously he's incredible. I

1279
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:47,600
Speaker 2: think that Houston Texans front is incredible. Tamiko Ryans that culture,

1280
00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:51,840
Speaker 2: their offense scares me. I just I don't ever see

1281
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:54,320
Speaker 2: them now. I haven't studied them. I haven't had them

1282
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 2: this year.

1283
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:55,880
Speaker 1: So this is all.

1284
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:59,000
Speaker 2: He's just like a fan watching in secondary game, crossover

1285
00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:02,480
Speaker 2: film and whatnot. But I just haven't seen an offense

1286
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:05,880
Speaker 2: that I go okay on any given day. If they

1287
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:09,520
Speaker 2: gotta score high twenties and they got to score thirty, like,

1288
01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:14,800
Speaker 2: can they do that reasonable without strip sacks, without pick sixes?

1289
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:17,120
Speaker 2: Like can they just play in a neutral game and

1290
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:19,720
Speaker 2: do enough that the defense doesn't have to hold people

1291
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:23,680
Speaker 2: to fifteen seventeen. You're gonna play some really good offenses

1292
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:26,959
Speaker 2: and at some point you can't just beat everybody because

1293
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:29,600
Speaker 2: you hold them under twenty. So I think that's gonna

1294
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:34,400
Speaker 2: be the case big picture wise for Houston. But yeah,

1295
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:37,200
Speaker 2: I mean, who would have ever thought that the Patriots

1296
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:39,120
Speaker 2: would be the number one seed as we sit here

1297
01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:41,480
Speaker 2: in December and the Bears would be in the NFCL.

1298
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:44,560
Speaker 2: It's just that's what makes the game so fun. That's

1299
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Speaker 2: what makes the NFL king. Is unlike the other sports

1300
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:50,120
Speaker 2: where you could pretty much throw a couple teams into

1301
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:51,880
Speaker 2: a hat and know those are gonna be the teams

1302
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:54,720
Speaker 2: when the season ends. What's king about football? What's the

1303
01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:57,800
Speaker 2: best part about football is outside of a couple teams

1304
01:00:57,840 --> 01:01:02,640
Speaker 2: that are perennially bad, virtually everybody has a realistic chance.

1305
01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:05,280
Speaker 2: And if you're bad one year, the league is set

1306
01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:07,880
Speaker 2: up for you to get better quickly. That is the

1307
01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:10,920
Speaker 2: entire motive of every decision, from how they do schedules,

1308
01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:12,720
Speaker 2: to how they do draft order, to how they do

1309
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:16,040
Speaker 2: a waiver you know, the waiver wire pre trade deadline,

1310
01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:19,760
Speaker 2: of inverting the teams like it is built to not

1311
01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:23,120
Speaker 2: sustain winning and is built to not sustain losing. And

1312
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:26,000
Speaker 2: I think that is what gives all these fan bases

1313
01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:29,000
Speaker 2: the optimism going into each year that I'm alive until

1314
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:33,080
Speaker 2: I'm not and that's what makes the game fun.

1315
01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:36,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, hearing you say this league is not built to

1316
01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:38,480
Speaker 3: sustained winning it and not sustained losing. We have to

1317
01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:40,400
Speaker 3: take a look at the tens of Titans and realize

1318
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:43,760
Speaker 3: their level of consistency that they have losing as much

1319
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:45,920
Speaker 3: as they do should be awarded. It should be we

1320
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:48,520
Speaker 3: should appreciate that because not a lot of teams can

1321
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:51,440
Speaker 3: have back to back first overall picks, and I think

1322
01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:52,600
Speaker 3: that's something that we need to look at.

1323
01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:57,120
Speaker 2: Huh, it's it's it's almost hard to do right, right,

1324
01:01:57,200 --> 01:02:01,840
Speaker 2: I mean right. The league is literally designed to not

1325
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:05,560
Speaker 2: have that happen. So the teams, the organizations that find

1326
01:02:05,600 --> 01:02:09,240
Speaker 2: themselves on either side. Obviously, the high side is the

1327
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:12,560
Speaker 2: legendary teams and the legendary coaches and quarterbacks and all that.

1328
01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:14,600
Speaker 2: But then on the flip side, you have to look

1329
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:17,760
Speaker 2: as an organization and say, obviously, there's something flawed about

1330
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:19,840
Speaker 2: our decision making. We're not hiring the right guys. We're

1331
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:21,600
Speaker 2: not drafting the right guys. Although I do think cam

1332
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:26,240
Speaker 2: Ward's good, there's something broken down about our process that

1333
01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:29,000
Speaker 2: no matter how many opportunities, no matter how many fourth

1334
01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:32,160
Speaker 2: place schedules we play, no matter how many high draft

1335
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Speaker 2: picks we get, no matter how many coaches we fire

1336
01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:39,560
Speaker 2: and hire, we are the same every single year. Regardless

1337
01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:43,680
Speaker 2: of those moves. There's institutional issues at play that until

1338
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:46,360
Speaker 2: they get fixed, the results are not going to change.

1339
01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:48,400
Speaker 2: You can hire whoever you want.

1340
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:53,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's yeah, especially with the quarterback play too in

1341
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:56,000
Speaker 1: the AFC, it's just again, week after week, it's like

1342
01:02:56,480 --> 01:03:00,160
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, who's going

1343
01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:01,840
Speaker 1: to earn their way into the Super Bowl this year?

1344
01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:04,600
Speaker 1: And right now where everybody's position, it's who's going to

1345
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:05,400
Speaker 1: make the wild card?

1346
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:08,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we're facing the guys you just brought

1347
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:11,600
Speaker 2: up with. I think is a really interesting larger conversation

1348
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:14,400
Speaker 2: around the NFL that people have to start having, is

1349
01:03:16,120 --> 01:03:18,360
Speaker 2: you talk about all these quarterbacks that are making sixty

1350
01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:22,480
Speaker 2: million plus. There's a lot of warts on those rosters, right,

1351
01:03:22,560 --> 01:03:25,000
Speaker 2: there's a lot of you know, you look at Buffalo,

1352
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:27,919
Speaker 2: you know they're they're they're making magic, but it looks

1353
01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:31,080
Speaker 2: very different right over the receivers, what's their skill? Look

1354
01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:33,320
Speaker 2: like their defense? They're kind of piecing it together. And

1355
01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:35,080
Speaker 2: I think mcdermot's a really good coach, and you got

1356
01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:37,960
Speaker 2: the best player in the league and you make you

1357
01:03:38,080 --> 01:03:39,000
Speaker 2: kind of overcome it.

1358
01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:39,200
Speaker 7: Right.

1359
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:41,680
Speaker 2: That's why you pay Josh Allen whatever it costs, because

1360
01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:44,640
Speaker 2: he's going to make up for whatever roster deficiencies that

1361
01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:48,120
Speaker 2: you have. But you start looking around the league. What

1362
01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:50,680
Speaker 2: do the best teams have? Right, you start looking at right,

1363
01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:53,080
Speaker 2: just take this year, who are the best teams and

1364
01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:54,480
Speaker 2: what's their quarterback situation?

1365
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:55,360
Speaker 4: Right?

1366
01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:55,680
Speaker 1: You have.

1367
01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:02,680
Speaker 2: You have guys like Sam Darnold and Baker Mayfield that

1368
01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:06,080
Speaker 2: are making thirty million a year. It's half the market, right,

1369
01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:09,960
Speaker 2: it's fifty percent of the market. Now Stafford makes a bazillion,

1370
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:12,320
Speaker 2: and obviously he's earning it. And why what's the difference?

1371
01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:15,080
Speaker 2: Virtually everyone else on the team is on a rookie.

1372
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:17,760
Speaker 1: Contract, right, yeah? The line, Yeah, if you're.

1373
01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:20,320
Speaker 2: Gonna pay your quarterback a bazillion, you better be an

1374
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:24,120
Speaker 2: incredible drafter. And then if you're paying your quarterback nothing,

1375
01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:27,120
Speaker 2: if you draft and sign great free agents because you

1376
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:30,080
Speaker 2: have all this excess capital, you build great rosters. So

1377
01:04:30,600 --> 01:04:32,560
Speaker 2: it's starting to say, if you're gonna tie up such

1378
01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:35,439
Speaker 2: a huge percentage in your quarterback and make them high level,

1379
01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:40,160
Speaker 2: if you are not incredible drafters of young, cheap talent,

1380
01:04:41,840 --> 01:04:43,800
Speaker 2: it's gonna be really hard. You're gonna be good just

1381
01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:46,000
Speaker 2: because you have a great quarterback, But are you gonna

1382
01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:46,840
Speaker 2: win the Super Bowl?

1383
01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:47,440
Speaker 4: Right?

1384
01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:47,840
Speaker 3: Right?

1385
01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:50,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, you got a.

1386
01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:52,480
Speaker 2: Lot of high priced quarterbacks that are on the outside

1387
01:04:52,520 --> 01:04:52,880
Speaker 2: looking in.

1388
01:04:54,320 --> 01:04:56,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, do you think there's a change there. You're trying

1389
01:04:56,280 --> 01:04:58,480
Speaker 3: to say that some of these quarterbacks, No, it might

1390
01:04:58,520 --> 01:05:00,520
Speaker 3: not be on their team next year, you.

1391
01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:02,080
Speaker 2: Know what I mean? Like they're on the outside of

1392
01:05:02,120 --> 01:05:03,160
Speaker 2: the playoffs looking.

1393
01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:05,920
Speaker 3: In, right, Yeah. Yeah, and because of that result, does

1394
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:06,600
Speaker 3: something happened?

1395
01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:07,080
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1396
01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:08,200
Speaker 2: I just don't know how you get out of some

1397
01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:11,680
Speaker 2: of these contracts. That's true, the dead money cap hits. Again,

1398
01:05:11,720 --> 01:05:13,680
Speaker 2: I haven't studied them all, but like I have to

1399
01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:17,440
Speaker 2: imagine some of that guaranteed money gets expedited by a

1400
01:05:17,560 --> 01:05:20,320
Speaker 2: trade or a cut or whatever, and it accelerates forward.

1401
01:05:20,360 --> 01:05:22,600
Speaker 2: You're gonna be carrying dead cap money. I can only

1402
01:05:22,600 --> 01:05:23,840
Speaker 2: imagine how big those numbers are.

1403
01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:27,880
Speaker 3: The Broncos are still paying Russell Wilson right now, still

1404
01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:30,560
Speaker 3: paying him his dead cap money. Oh really from that trade,

1405
01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:31,000
Speaker 3: I believe.

1406
01:05:31,080 --> 01:05:31,120
Speaker 1: So.

1407
01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:32,880
Speaker 3: I mean, I definitely need to get fact checks on that.

1408
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:34,600
Speaker 2: Lingers for a long time because they I mean, they

1409
01:05:34,640 --> 01:05:36,520
Speaker 2: gave him that new deal and it only lasted one.

1410
01:05:36,520 --> 01:05:40,480
Speaker 8: Season, right, right, and he had multiple years of guaranteed Yeah,

1411
01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:43,160
Speaker 8: we got a fun December getting lined up, and then

1412
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:45,240
Speaker 8: it seems like it could be an interesting offseason with

1413
01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:47,600
Speaker 8: restructuring of kind of like you look at Dallas like

1414
01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:49,240
Speaker 8: they're gonna have to do something with dex contract.

1415
01:05:49,360 --> 01:05:50,800
Speaker 1: So that way, if you're going to try and pay

1416
01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:53,600
Speaker 1: George Pickens and keep this roster, you know, the trades

1417
01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:56,760
Speaker 1: you made with Williams, you got Kenny Clark like guys

1418
01:05:56,800 --> 01:05:58,600
Speaker 1: that are just gonna have to You're able to figure

1419
01:05:58,600 --> 01:06:00,320
Speaker 1: out the cap situation because there were like have any

1420
01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:00,880
Speaker 1: something million?

1421
01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:03,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a chef that was saying they're about seventy

1422
01:06:03,720 --> 01:06:05,920
Speaker 3: million over the cap right now, and so you have

1423
01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:09,880
Speaker 3: to redo Dak there's sixty you're still ten under the cap,

1424
01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:11,800
Speaker 3: and you want to resign Quinnon, you want to re

1425
01:06:11,920 --> 01:06:15,600
Speaker 3: sign George Pickens. You've got to go get players to

1426
01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:19,240
Speaker 3: make your defense better. So they're in a very unique situation.

1427
01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:21,880
Speaker 3: The good news is the Cowboys have a shitload of money. Yeah,

1428
01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:27,920
Speaker 3: they're they're very they're cash rich franchise as opposed to

1429
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:32,040
Speaker 3: the Titans or the Bengals. Bengals we barely talked about them,

1430
01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:34,000
Speaker 3: but Joey Bee coming back beating up on the Ravens, like,

1431
01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:35,840
Speaker 3: are they going to be a team that can maybe

1432
01:06:35,880 --> 01:06:39,560
Speaker 3: sneak themselves in Why not every year in December?

1433
01:06:39,880 --> 01:06:43,040
Speaker 2: Do you really I got Bengals Buffalo in Buffalo on Sunday.

1434
01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:44,960
Speaker 3: That's going to be an awesome game.

1435
01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:50,080
Speaker 2: Burrow, It's supposed to snow twenty degrees snow, burrowvers Allan.

1436
01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:53,600
Speaker 2: I mean, I know the record of Cincinnati is not great,

1437
01:06:53,640 --> 01:06:55,600
Speaker 2: but I mean, you get those two guys playing a

1438
01:06:55,680 --> 01:06:59,200
Speaker 2: December game in Buffalo, and that's that's amazing television.

1439
01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:02,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. Matically, it's an absolutely must win for the Bengals.

1440
01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:03,480
Speaker 1: As far as player, what.

1441
01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:05,720
Speaker 2: Is the Bengals, I'll be honest, I haven't dove into

1442
01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:08,760
Speaker 2: it yet. What is the Bengals still have a realistic chance.

1443
01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:12,120
Speaker 1: Yeah. So Baltimore and Pittsburgh are both six and six

1444
01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:15,520
Speaker 1: and the Bengals are four and eight. So two games

1445
01:07:15,560 --> 01:07:17,880
Speaker 1: back Baltimore and the Ravens, they both play each other

1446
01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:21,840
Speaker 1: twice in December. Baltimore's got Cincinnati, New England, and Green

1447
01:07:21,960 --> 01:07:26,440
Speaker 1: Bay outside of playing the Steelers twice. Pittsburgh's got Miami, Detroit,

1448
01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:29,240
Speaker 1: and Cincinnati last game of the year outside of playing

1449
01:07:29,240 --> 01:07:31,720
Speaker 1: the Ravens twice. And then you got Cincinnati, who they're

1450
01:07:31,720 --> 01:07:34,400
Speaker 1: sitting at four and eight. They got Buffalo, they got Baltimore,

1451
01:07:34,600 --> 01:07:38,720
Speaker 1: they got the Miami Dolphins, Arizona Cardinals in Cincinnati are

1452
01:07:40,120 --> 01:07:43,480
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh to cap off the year? Yeah, so if they do,

1453
01:07:44,920 --> 01:07:47,440
Speaker 1: they do. But that's the schedule you'd want to see, right, Like,

1454
01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:52,040
Speaker 1: obviously the Cincinnati's got Buffalo this weekend, then it's Baltimore,

1455
01:07:52,520 --> 01:07:56,240
Speaker 1: then the Miami Dolphins, the Arizona Cardinals, and then the

1456
01:07:56,560 --> 01:08:00,520
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Steelers. So they have a schedule you want as

1457
01:08:00,520 --> 01:08:02,120
Speaker 1: long as you take care, you know, you can knock

1458
01:08:02,200 --> 01:08:04,920
Speaker 1: off Buffalo this weekend. And then again, it's like you

1459
01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:07,360
Speaker 1: look at Baltimore. Outside of them playing each other twice,

1460
01:08:07,600 --> 01:08:09,640
Speaker 1: Baltimore is gonna have to play New England in Green Bay,

1461
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:14,080
Speaker 1: and Pittsburgh's gonna have to play Detroit. They also have Miami.

1462
01:08:14,160 --> 01:08:17,240
Speaker 1: But then again, you in the year with Cincinnati, Miami's

1463
01:08:17,240 --> 01:08:17,680
Speaker 1: gotten better.

1464
01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:22,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, they had a crazy game against the Saints this weekend.

1465
01:08:23,400 --> 01:08:25,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, Miami has been playing with some juice ever since

1466
01:08:25,439 --> 01:08:28,080
Speaker 1: they they made the move on the GM.

1467
01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:30,200
Speaker 2: Right, right, which is so odd, Like what did fire

1468
01:08:30,240 --> 01:08:30,719
Speaker 2: in the GEM?

1469
01:08:31,240 --> 01:08:33,720
Speaker 3: I know, I think we've talked about the show. I

1470
01:08:33,840 --> 01:08:36,960
Speaker 3: kind of I'm a fan of that move of doing

1471
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:39,599
Speaker 3: the GM with the thought process of like what are

1472
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:41,160
Speaker 3: you gonna fire a head coach in the middle of

1473
01:08:41,200 --> 01:08:43,640
Speaker 3: the year, right, if they're probably going to at the

1474
01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:46,120
Speaker 3: end of the year, then you find a GM and

1475
01:08:46,560 --> 01:08:48,599
Speaker 3: a head coach that are aligned with each other, because

1476
01:08:48,600 --> 01:08:51,679
Speaker 3: how many times do you see a GM get hired,

1477
01:08:51,840 --> 01:08:54,160
Speaker 3: he brings in the head coach, head coach gets fired,

1478
01:08:54,280 --> 01:08:56,280
Speaker 3: new GM comes in, but then they have it's just

1479
01:08:56,479 --> 01:09:01,840
Speaker 3: always the same revolving door of no continuity. It's kind

1480
01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:03,479
Speaker 3: of what you see the Titans kind of going right now,

1481
01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:05,720
Speaker 3: they're kind of one piece missing, and by the time

1482
01:09:05,760 --> 01:09:08,200
Speaker 3: they get another piece in, that's this guy's guy. He's

1483
01:09:08,240 --> 01:09:10,879
Speaker 3: getting kicked out. And so with the with the Dolphins,

1484
01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:12,599
Speaker 3: what you do is you get rid of the top dog.

1485
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:15,360
Speaker 3: You say, hey, we haven't drafted good enough. We're gonna

1486
01:09:15,360 --> 01:09:16,560
Speaker 3: get you out of there. Let's find out who the

1487
01:09:16,680 --> 01:09:19,360
Speaker 3: right GM is, bring that guy in, and then you're

1488
01:09:19,400 --> 01:09:22,600
Speaker 3: making decisions top down, and so it's more the foundationally,

1489
01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:23,519
Speaker 3: it's a better structure.

1490
01:09:24,360 --> 01:09:26,040
Speaker 2: Do you think it's a wark on conclusion that they

1491
01:09:26,120 --> 01:09:27,360
Speaker 2: fire McDaniel.

1492
01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:29,840
Speaker 3: I think three four weeks ago we were saying that

1493
01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:33,599
Speaker 3: now spicy, So it's like, yeah, if.

1494
01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:35,880
Speaker 2: He finishes the year strong and they don't fire him,

1495
01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:38,200
Speaker 2: now they're just back to it hiring a GM who

1496
01:09:38,400 --> 01:09:41,599
Speaker 2: doesn't have his coach, and it's your situation you're saying,

1497
01:09:41,640 --> 01:09:45,040
Speaker 2: I completely agree. It's the same thing coach and quarterback. Like,

1498
01:09:45,080 --> 01:09:48,080
Speaker 2: how many times do we see a coach is struggling,

1499
01:09:48,160 --> 01:09:50,240
Speaker 2: he's got the top overall pick, he takes the top

1500
01:09:50,320 --> 01:09:54,000
Speaker 2: overall pick, he gets fired midseason, and they just continue

1501
01:09:54,040 --> 01:09:56,439
Speaker 2: to never have The Bears have done it, the Titans

1502
01:09:56,479 --> 01:09:59,000
Speaker 2: have done it, the Jaguars have done it. And it

1503
01:09:59,080 --> 01:10:01,639
Speaker 2: feels like if you draft the first overall quarterback, you're

1504
01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:03,360
Speaker 2: gonna get fired in first year.

1505
01:10:04,280 --> 01:10:04,960
Speaker 3: No, I agree with that.

1506
01:10:05,160 --> 01:10:07,040
Speaker 2: I think this is I know, I agree with your point.

1507
01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:09,160
Speaker 2: It'd be interesting to see how Miami handles it because

1508
01:10:09,200 --> 01:10:12,840
Speaker 2: if if they finish strong, they don't fire them. It's

1509
01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:14,280
Speaker 2: the situation you laid out.

1510
01:10:14,200 --> 01:10:17,439
Speaker 3: That what is finish strong? Though, Sorry, I was just

1511
01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:19,160
Speaker 3: gonna say, you got to the playoffs.

1512
01:10:19,320 --> 01:10:22,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, you got to assume that when they fired the

1513
01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:25,760
Speaker 1: GM that in their mind McDaniel's gonna be next at

1514
01:10:25,760 --> 01:10:27,320
Speaker 1: the end of the year, and the way that they

1515
01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:29,400
Speaker 1: were kind of up and down, all the things that

1516
01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:32,320
Speaker 1: was coming out with, like you know, press conference's leadership,

1517
01:10:32,439 --> 01:10:34,800
Speaker 1: all those question marks. But now you're sitting back and

1518
01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:38,439
Speaker 1: watching this team play with some jews, play with some energy,

1519
01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:41,639
Speaker 1: win football games, play for you know, you could say

1520
01:10:41,680 --> 01:10:43,519
Speaker 1: the head coach play for each other all that stuff.

1521
01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:45,360
Speaker 1: If you're Miami, you're kind of like, shit, you kind

1522
01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:47,439
Speaker 1: of you kind of don't want it going this way

1523
01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:49,600
Speaker 1: if your playing was to fire McDaniels at the end

1524
01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:49,960
Speaker 1: of the year.

1525
01:10:50,280 --> 01:10:52,320
Speaker 3: So I don't know what the finish strong looks, like,

1526
01:10:53,560 --> 01:10:54,640
Speaker 3: what is their record right now?

1527
01:10:54,680 --> 01:10:57,200
Speaker 1: Do we know? We probably find it pretty quick?

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01:10:57,960 --> 01:11:00,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, because they're not gonna win the division. The Patriots

1529
01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:02,880
Speaker 3: are gonna win the division. Yeah, they're like what two

1530
01:11:02,920 --> 01:11:05,120
Speaker 3: games away from walking that up, having't that be done?

1531
01:11:05,920 --> 01:11:10,400
Speaker 3: They're five and seven right now, yeah, just not making

1532
01:11:10,479 --> 01:11:13,040
Speaker 3: the playoffs, Like yeah, so making the playoffs I would

1533
01:11:13,080 --> 01:11:16,000
Speaker 3: probably lean on. Yeah, Like, if your decision making was

1534
01:11:16,120 --> 01:11:18,200
Speaker 3: fire the GM knowing that at the end of the

1535
01:11:18,280 --> 01:11:20,519
Speaker 3: year we're going to fire McDaniels, I don't think that

1536
01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:21,400
Speaker 3: plan has changed.

1537
01:11:21,680 --> 01:11:25,280
Speaker 2: If that's the last couple of weeks, cloud that right, right,

1538
01:11:25,479 --> 01:11:27,240
Speaker 2: If that was your decision, maybe it wasn't.

1539
01:11:27,360 --> 01:11:29,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they're four they're five and seven, but

1540
01:11:29,560 --> 01:11:31,960
Speaker 1: they're four and one in their last five Yeah, and

1541
01:11:32,080 --> 01:11:36,840
Speaker 1: they got the Jets, the Steelers, Bengals, Bucks, and Patriots

1542
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:37,680
Speaker 1: to round out the Earth.

1543
01:11:37,680 --> 01:11:38,920
Speaker 3: Didn't the Jets just beat the Falcons.

1544
01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:40,559
Speaker 2: They could win four of those five games.

1545
01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:42,519
Speaker 1: They can win for those five, then you're kind of.

1546
01:11:42,600 --> 01:11:47,040
Speaker 2: A one step further. If the Patriots have locked up

1547
01:11:47,080 --> 01:11:50,160
Speaker 2: the one seed, they could win all five of those

1548
01:11:50,200 --> 01:11:52,280
Speaker 2: games because they might not even have to play the starters.

1549
01:11:52,400 --> 01:11:54,880
Speaker 1: Yes, eight, Yeah, you go nine and one in your

1550
01:11:54,960 --> 01:11:57,439
Speaker 1: last ten since you fired the GM, who knows what

1551
01:11:57,560 --> 01:11:57,920
Speaker 1: it looks like.

1552
01:11:58,000 --> 01:11:59,559
Speaker 2: You know, nine and one. I don't care if they

1553
01:11:59,600 --> 01:12:01,439
Speaker 2: don't make the playoffs with ten wins or not. You

1554
01:12:01,560 --> 01:12:03,439
Speaker 2: go nine and one over your last ten, you're not

1555
01:12:03,479 --> 01:12:04,000
Speaker 2: getting fired.

1556
01:12:04,160 --> 01:12:07,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree. I agree. But it goes back to

1557
01:12:08,320 --> 01:12:10,439
Speaker 3: kind of like our analytics talk where it's all about,

1558
01:12:10,520 --> 01:12:13,040
Speaker 3: like you to play safe, you're going to play aggressive.

1559
01:12:13,160 --> 01:12:15,919
Speaker 3: Like if you are the owner of the Miami Dolphins,

1560
01:12:15,960 --> 01:12:18,120
Speaker 3: are you sitting there and saying McDaniel's the guy that's

1561
01:12:18,120 --> 01:12:19,760
Speaker 3: gonna get a Super Bowl? The answer needs to be

1562
01:12:19,840 --> 01:12:21,240
Speaker 3: a yesterday no answer, black or white.

1563
01:12:21,320 --> 01:12:21,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree.

1564
01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:25,080
Speaker 3: If the answer is no, then the result of the

1565
01:12:25,120 --> 01:12:26,400
Speaker 3: rest of the year should not matter.

1566
01:12:27,160 --> 01:12:29,040
Speaker 2: Oh I no, I agree. I'm not saying it's what

1567
01:12:29,120 --> 01:12:31,320
Speaker 2: I would do. I just the way we all know

1568
01:12:31,439 --> 01:12:34,759
Speaker 2: the NFL and the way these these owners and are

1569
01:12:34,760 --> 01:12:39,040
Speaker 2: all risk averse. It's just so much easier to stand

1570
01:12:39,080 --> 01:12:42,200
Speaker 2: at the podium and say he finished nine and one.

1571
01:12:42,400 --> 01:12:45,120
Speaker 2: We love the way our teams responded, we love this.

1572
01:12:45,720 --> 01:12:49,519
Speaker 2: It's an easier press conference. Yeah, And to ignore that

1573
01:12:49,880 --> 01:12:54,120
Speaker 2: people make decisions based on public reaction and based on

1574
01:12:54,240 --> 01:12:58,120
Speaker 2: press conferences is naive because they one hundred percent due.

1575
01:12:58,160 --> 01:13:01,519
Speaker 2: They're humans. People don't like articism, people don't like to

1576
01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:04,400
Speaker 2: stand up there and take bullets. And whether it's a coach,

1577
01:13:04,520 --> 01:13:08,360
Speaker 2: an owner, a GM, whatever it is, path of least

1578
01:13:08,400 --> 01:13:10,840
Speaker 2: resistance is very common in the NFL.

1579
01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:15,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, good point. We got Ryan Day coming on

1580
01:13:15,160 --> 01:13:17,320
Speaker 1: in two minutes. Greg, you're the man. I know you're

1581
01:13:17,320 --> 01:13:19,360
Speaker 1: gonna stick around. I'm gonna go take a potty break.

1582
01:13:19,400 --> 01:13:21,679
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Speaker 1: our college football show. Yep, boys, Welcome to another episode

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Speaker 1: reaction show College Football Busting with the Boys. We got

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Speaker 1: rivalry week, we got the college Football Commissioner Josh Bate

1588
01:13:38,720 --> 01:13:41,880
Speaker 1: joining the boys after all the chaos chaotic weekend with

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Speaker 1: Lane Kiffin. We'll be talking coaching changes, potential playoff chaos

1590
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Speaker 1: that we were all rooting for before we get rolling.

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Speaker 1: Four letters?

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Speaker 3: Very easy. We've done this all for the guy. Yes,

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Speaker 3: dumb brains, we all have them figure it.

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Speaker 3: Thirty five percent off. I want to say this before

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Speaker 3: we start. It is so great after rievery week, after

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Speaker 3: what happened to my team, after what happened to your team,

1610
01:14:33,960 --> 01:14:36,160
Speaker 3: after happened to JP's team. What happened to Jack's team?

1611
01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:41,519
Speaker 3: It's nice to sit here with friends, Will being a friend, JP,

1612
01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:44,760
Speaker 3: your friend Jack, Garrett Sherm, Mitch. It's like, it's great

1613
01:14:44,760 --> 01:14:48,240
Speaker 3: to have my friends here and be together in a

1614
01:14:48,320 --> 01:14:50,800
Speaker 3: situation like this where it sucks. It hurts, but we

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01:14:50,840 --> 01:14:53,519
Speaker 3: all get to hurt together and that's beautiful. And Josh

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01:14:53,640 --> 01:14:57,080
Speaker 3: is also here as well. Josh is here now, joh

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01:15:00,840 --> 01:15:03,120
Speaker 3: before we get into what's really important, which is college football,

1618
01:15:03,560 --> 01:15:05,280
Speaker 3: do you want to address what you did this weekend

1619
01:15:05,400 --> 01:15:06,200
Speaker 3: on Saturday morning?

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01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:07,160
Speaker 6: Yeah?

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01:15:07,200 --> 01:15:08,240
Speaker 3: Do you want to apologize?

1622
01:15:09,960 --> 01:15:12,840
Speaker 6: I'll address it. Okay, yeah, I'll address it. So I

1623
01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:15,679
Speaker 6: woke up, you know what many people do. Every human

1624
01:15:15,720 --> 01:15:17,240
Speaker 6: who's alive today woke up this morning.

1625
01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:17,559
Speaker 1: That's right.

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01:15:17,560 --> 01:15:20,160
Speaker 6: Fact. And I woke up Saturday morning. And you know

1627
01:15:20,240 --> 01:15:22,320
Speaker 6: when you wake up and your consciousness just tugging at

1628
01:15:22,360 --> 01:15:23,920
Speaker 6: you a little bit. For those people at her who

1629
01:15:23,960 --> 01:15:26,240
Speaker 6: have consciousness, mine was tugging at me on Sunday or

1630
01:15:26,240 --> 01:15:28,760
Speaker 6: Saturday morning. I thought to myself, was wrong. I haven't

1631
01:15:28,760 --> 01:15:31,120
Speaker 6: done anything. You know, I'm not in debt. I don't

1632
01:15:31,160 --> 01:15:34,360
Speaker 6: owe anyone any money. What's wrong? It was a pick

1633
01:15:34,439 --> 01:15:36,800
Speaker 6: on a game. Gets knowing more important than that in

1634
01:15:36,920 --> 01:15:38,920
Speaker 6: rivalry weekend and I was thinking what game?

1635
01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:39,479
Speaker 5: What game?

1636
01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:41,679
Speaker 6: And I realized it was it was Ohio State and Michigan.

1637
01:15:43,040 --> 01:15:44,519
Speaker 5: Get it, get it up a little bit more.

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01:15:45,240 --> 01:15:45,920
Speaker 1: Do you do shows?

1639
01:15:46,400 --> 01:15:49,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, just not with the sensitive mics.

1640
01:15:49,360 --> 01:15:49,559
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:52,920
Speaker 6: So I needed to talk to someone about it. I

1642
01:15:53,040 --> 01:15:54,960
Speaker 6: talked to my wife about it, and she said, you

1643
01:15:55,040 --> 01:15:57,439
Speaker 6: got to Actually, she said, I don't care. But then

1644
01:15:57,520 --> 01:15:59,639
Speaker 6: she said, talk to someone else about it. So who

1645
01:15:59,680 --> 01:16:01,800
Speaker 6: else do you go to? Will Compton? Yeah, that's right,

1646
01:16:02,080 --> 01:16:05,880
Speaker 6: it's Savannah Pate. Will Compton's right there because you would

1647
01:16:05,920 --> 01:16:07,320
Speaker 6: be there, but I couldn't talk to you for what

1648
01:16:07,400 --> 01:16:10,320
Speaker 6: will be obvious reasons. In just a second. I came

1649
01:16:10,400 --> 01:16:13,280
Speaker 6: on the locker room last Wednesday and I ignored all

1650
01:16:13,360 --> 01:16:15,760
Speaker 6: my better judgment. I ignored the model. I said, I'm

1651
01:16:15,800 --> 01:16:17,800
Speaker 6: not picking against the Michigan again. It's been four years

1652
01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:20,679
Speaker 6: in a row. I can't do it. But then Saturday morning,

1653
01:16:20,960 --> 01:16:22,080
Speaker 6: you look in the mirror and you're like, what are

1654
01:16:22,080 --> 01:16:23,840
Speaker 6: you doing? Ohio State's going to win this game?

1655
01:16:24,160 --> 01:16:24,760
Speaker 1: So what do I do?

1656
01:16:25,000 --> 01:16:27,000
Speaker 6: I look and I say, we got fifteen twenty minutes

1657
01:16:27,040 --> 01:16:30,880
Speaker 6: to kick off? Do I change? And my heart said no,

1658
01:16:31,040 --> 01:16:33,920
Speaker 6: but my head said yes. So I consulted William and

1659
01:16:34,040 --> 01:16:36,200
Speaker 6: I said, I'm going to change, but if I do,

1660
01:16:36,280 --> 01:16:38,040
Speaker 6: I need you to hold me to it. I can't

1661
01:16:38,040 --> 01:16:39,760
Speaker 6: make this public this late. I'll get drug and I

1662
01:16:39,800 --> 01:16:41,040
Speaker 6: don't want to make it about me. It needs to

1663
01:16:41,040 --> 01:16:41,599
Speaker 6: be about the kids.

1664
01:16:42,760 --> 01:16:43,680
Speaker 3: It's magest game of the year.

1665
01:16:43,760 --> 01:16:47,519
Speaker 6: Yeah, And so I told him I am changing my pick.

1666
01:16:47,640 --> 01:16:49,760
Speaker 6: You can release this at four and then I put

1667
01:16:49,800 --> 01:16:51,240
Speaker 6: my phone down. But then I picked my phone back

1668
01:16:51,280 --> 01:16:52,640
Speaker 6: up and said, there's one more person I got to

1669
01:16:52,680 --> 01:16:55,000
Speaker 6: reach out to, and that was you. And I didn't

1670
01:16:55,040 --> 01:16:57,240
Speaker 6: necessarily tell you I was changing my pick. What I

1671
01:16:57,320 --> 01:16:58,920
Speaker 6: told you is I want to tell you good luck

1672
01:16:59,280 --> 01:17:02,040
Speaker 6: and I love you. And you said five words back?

1673
01:17:02,080 --> 01:17:02,880
Speaker 6: Do you want to read them there?

1674
01:17:03,040 --> 01:17:04,400
Speaker 3: Thank you, love you too?

1675
01:17:05,200 --> 01:17:06,800
Speaker 6: And I just don't see why that has to change

1676
01:17:06,840 --> 01:17:07,920
Speaker 6: because of one football game.

1677
01:17:09,320 --> 01:17:10,960
Speaker 3: Do you want to pick up the time stamps of

1678
01:17:11,000 --> 01:17:11,840
Speaker 3: when those texts were us?

1679
01:17:11,960 --> 01:17:12,360
Speaker 6: I don't know.

1680
01:17:12,479 --> 01:17:13,360
Speaker 5: I have no interest in you.

1681
01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:17,639
Speaker 3: That is where I am like, Okay, there's tom foolery

1682
01:17:17,680 --> 01:17:20,760
Speaker 3: about in Josh Pate's head on Saturday morning, as I

1683
01:17:20,840 --> 01:17:24,040
Speaker 3: see a text message to will Compton at I don't

1684
01:17:24,080 --> 01:17:25,400
Speaker 3: know the exact time because we don't have it up

1685
01:17:25,400 --> 01:17:28,599
Speaker 3: at around ten fifty three am, and then you might

1686
01:17:28,680 --> 01:17:30,960
Speaker 3: be spot on. It's basically, yeah, I looked at it

1687
01:17:31,120 --> 01:17:35,439
Speaker 3: quite a bit. It's basically saying I can't do this. Ohihio,

1688
01:17:35,560 --> 01:17:39,000
Speaker 3: State's gonna what Michigans ask, which you were correcting, So

1689
01:17:39,160 --> 01:17:40,960
Speaker 3: I'm changing my pick. I want you to hold this

1690
01:17:41,240 --> 01:17:43,960
Speaker 3: now as your other friend who's at the top of

1691
01:17:44,040 --> 01:17:47,000
Speaker 3: your list, right behind your wife, I would expect you

1692
01:17:47,800 --> 01:17:52,479
Speaker 3: to either not text me or or send a text

1693
01:17:52,720 --> 01:17:54,680
Speaker 3: that says hey, I'm also by the way, I know

1694
01:17:54,800 --> 01:17:56,080
Speaker 3: you want a Michigan to went, but I really think

1695
01:17:56,120 --> 01:17:57,720
Speaker 3: of how it's gonna win. I this is not what

1696
01:17:57,840 --> 01:17:59,200
Speaker 3: I want to do to you, but it's going You're

1697
01:17:59,200 --> 01:18:01,240
Speaker 3: gonna see this, You're gonna know this. So here's the information.

1698
01:18:01,840 --> 01:18:05,479
Speaker 3: So the love you text to me is We're in

1699
01:18:05,520 --> 01:18:08,400
Speaker 3: the movie Gladiator. I'm chained up, I'm about to go

1700
01:18:08,400 --> 01:18:10,400
Speaker 3: out for my last fight, and you give me a

1701
01:18:10,520 --> 01:18:12,000
Speaker 3: hug and you stab me in the back and you

1702
01:18:12,080 --> 01:18:13,800
Speaker 3: tell me I love your brother, and then we go

1703
01:18:13,880 --> 01:18:17,000
Speaker 3: out and fight. Unfortunately, you just murder me. At the

1704
01:18:17,080 --> 01:18:18,519
Speaker 3: end scene of the movie. Is if I get you

1705
01:18:18,640 --> 01:18:21,559
Speaker 3: and then I die. No, you just cut my head

1706
01:18:21,600 --> 01:18:25,559
Speaker 3: off and that is that what you having? The conscious thing?

1707
01:18:25,640 --> 01:18:28,519
Speaker 3: Everything I have no problem with. It's the it's the

1708
01:18:28,640 --> 01:18:31,360
Speaker 3: text messages and the times in which they took place.

1709
01:18:31,479 --> 01:18:33,720
Speaker 6: You know, there's so much on my face that says

1710
01:18:33,760 --> 01:18:36,280
Speaker 6: I want to push back on this right now. It

1711
01:18:36,400 --> 01:18:38,720
Speaker 6: was pretty accurate. Yeah, that's a pretty accurate description of

1712
01:18:38,760 --> 01:18:39,160
Speaker 6: what happened.

1713
01:18:39,200 --> 01:18:41,000
Speaker 3: I'm so glad we can get past that and just

1714
01:18:41,120 --> 01:18:43,760
Speaker 3: you sitting on this bus saying it's accurate. You don't

1715
01:18:43,760 --> 01:18:45,559
Speaker 3: even have to say sorry, You've already said.

1716
01:18:45,400 --> 01:18:45,840
Speaker 4: It with your eyes.

1717
01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:47,320
Speaker 6: Gladiator Too starts today.

1718
01:18:47,520 --> 01:18:51,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, which bad movie? Anyway, onward, I thought it was.

1719
01:18:51,800 --> 01:18:53,720
Speaker 1: I was a little into it. Did you like it?

1720
01:18:53,800 --> 01:18:54,759
Speaker 1: But I'm an easy crowd.

1721
01:18:55,200 --> 01:18:57,280
Speaker 3: I'm a guy that watches the original and goes it

1722
01:18:57,360 --> 01:18:59,880
Speaker 3: better to meet this sex place. I'm I'm an unhealthy watcher.

1723
01:19:00,600 --> 01:19:01,400
Speaker 3: That's a great Yeah.

1724
01:19:01,479 --> 01:19:03,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, so telling what you What you're basically saying is

1725
01:19:03,920 --> 01:19:06,280
Speaker 1: he handled the tough situation just poorly.

1726
01:19:07,040 --> 01:19:11,160
Speaker 6: I landed the plane, but not without I think he

1727
01:19:11,280 --> 01:19:11,920
Speaker 6: did it fine.

1728
01:19:12,240 --> 01:19:14,519
Speaker 3: Like if he just texted you and was like, hey,

1729
01:19:14,560 --> 01:19:16,320
Speaker 3: I'm picking a house state. Yeah, I'm gonna feel some

1730
01:19:16,360 --> 01:19:17,360
Speaker 3: type of way. But at the end of the day,

1731
01:19:17,360 --> 01:19:19,160
Speaker 3: like he's just having a discussion with somebody else, not

1732
01:19:19,280 --> 01:19:20,920
Speaker 3: hurting my feelings. That's all good.

1733
01:19:21,400 --> 01:19:21,640
Speaker 4: But he.

1734
01:19:23,640 --> 01:19:25,880
Speaker 3: Sent you a text, sat on this couch and goes

1735
01:19:26,400 --> 01:19:30,160
Speaker 3: it's not enough. I got a now, text Taylor and

1736
01:19:30,200 --> 01:19:31,920
Speaker 3: tell him that I love him, so that I feel

1737
01:19:31,960 --> 01:19:35,080
Speaker 3: even more comfortable. I feel more safe. Hey, I love

1738
01:19:35,120 --> 01:19:37,320
Speaker 3: you too. I am pacing back and forth roner my

1739
01:19:37,400 --> 01:19:39,840
Speaker 3: TV holding my eight year old. She's asking questions, Hey,

1740
01:19:39,880 --> 01:19:41,479
Speaker 3: what is this? What does that mean? What are these

1741
01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:41,960
Speaker 3: three dots?

1742
01:19:41,960 --> 01:19:42,080
Speaker 2: Oh?

1743
01:19:42,120 --> 01:19:44,320
Speaker 3: Those are timeouts? Hey, what is the yellow line? That's

1744
01:19:44,360 --> 01:19:45,760
Speaker 3: the first down? We have to get to that first down.

1745
01:19:45,760 --> 01:19:47,599
Speaker 3: It's not about getting a touchdown right now, It's about

1746
01:19:47,600 --> 01:19:49,200
Speaker 3: getting a new set of downs. I look up, I

1747
01:19:49,280 --> 01:19:51,120
Speaker 3: get a text from Josh Pace. I love you. I smile,

1748
01:19:51,560 --> 01:19:53,360
Speaker 3: thank you, I love you too. It's gonna be I

1749
01:19:53,439 --> 01:19:55,840
Speaker 3: think I got my trench boy with me. I got

1750
01:19:55,880 --> 01:19:58,080
Speaker 3: my judges. You said, you send me a text, let's ride,

1751
01:19:58,160 --> 01:20:00,280
Speaker 3: it's go time. Whatever it was, And I'm like, I

1752
01:20:00,360 --> 01:20:02,679
Speaker 3: got my dogs with me, knowing we all kind of knew,

1753
01:20:03,240 --> 01:20:05,439
Speaker 3: even me, there's a piece of that head going, you know,

1754
01:20:05,640 --> 01:20:08,360
Speaker 3: last year, like they're not gonna make the same mistake again.

1755
01:20:08,600 --> 01:20:10,840
Speaker 3: But I I push that away. I had other guys

1756
01:20:10,840 --> 01:20:12,599
Speaker 3: that went to Michigan text me to saying the same thing.

1757
01:20:12,880 --> 01:20:16,760
Speaker 3: I pushed that away just to find out that. But

1758
01:20:16,880 --> 01:20:21,080
Speaker 3: I don't want to do what the show's about. I want.

1759
01:20:21,920 --> 01:20:23,760
Speaker 3: I wanted to address this. I want.

1760
01:20:23,880 --> 01:20:27,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a great analogy for like Lane Lane Kiffing,

1761
01:20:27,080 --> 01:20:29,160
Speaker 1: old miss r you miss fans.

1762
01:20:29,200 --> 01:20:30,120
Speaker 3: I'm an old miss fan.

1763
01:20:30,080 --> 01:20:32,120
Speaker 1: He text me. He's letting them know, Hey, good luck,

1764
01:20:32,160 --> 01:20:34,320
Speaker 1: I love just just messing with their heartstrings the whole time.

1765
01:20:34,640 --> 01:20:37,080
Speaker 3: I'm Keith Carter, I'm the ad love you.

1766
01:20:37,560 --> 01:20:41,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, something something's been tugging at Lane Kiffing and his conscience. Yeah,

1767
01:20:41,280 --> 01:20:42,639
Speaker 1: I can't do this. I can't stay at ole miss.

1768
01:20:42,640 --> 01:20:43,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna come down, Sue.

1769
01:20:44,640 --> 01:20:46,120
Speaker 3: And then I have to find out over the internet

1770
01:20:46,400 --> 01:20:48,160
Speaker 3: and I come back and he's probably be like, hey,

1771
01:20:48,160 --> 01:20:50,840
Speaker 3: can I support mission in the bowl game? You can't coach,

1772
01:20:51,280 --> 01:20:52,439
Speaker 3: you can't be a part of this bowl.

1773
01:20:52,479 --> 01:20:54,760
Speaker 1: And you're saying you you understood, you got it, Like

1774
01:20:54,920 --> 01:20:56,479
Speaker 1: you didn't have to, you didn't have to play with

1775
01:20:56,600 --> 01:20:57,120
Speaker 1: my emotions.

1776
01:20:57,160 --> 01:21:00,599
Speaker 3: This exactly, exactly like if it was just the better opportu. Yeah,

1777
01:21:00,680 --> 01:21:02,920
Speaker 3: he took a business decision and made it personal by

1778
01:21:03,080 --> 01:21:06,840
Speaker 3: just sending good luck, I love you. I'm just like,

1779
01:21:07,160 --> 01:21:07,920
Speaker 3: what the hell is this?

1780
01:21:08,720 --> 01:21:12,200
Speaker 6: Knowing full well if Michigan pulls that game out, I'm

1781
01:21:12,280 --> 01:21:12,720
Speaker 6: texting you.

1782
01:21:12,840 --> 01:21:13,160
Speaker 1: We did it.

1783
01:21:13,240 --> 01:21:13,320
Speaker 4: Bro.

1784
01:21:13,720 --> 01:21:17,000
Speaker 3: Yeah you're probably texted one, but please.

1785
01:21:19,240 --> 01:21:20,240
Speaker 6: And I'm just telling you we did it.

1786
01:21:20,320 --> 01:21:21,160
Speaker 1: Man, exactly did it.

1787
01:21:21,200 --> 01:21:23,040
Speaker 3: And I'm sitting here none the wiser, just happy that

1788
01:21:23,120 --> 01:21:25,000
Speaker 3: Michigan won. I tell you, guys should have that little

1789
01:21:25,000 --> 01:21:25,799
Speaker 3: secret forever.

1790
01:21:25,840 --> 01:21:29,479
Speaker 1: That for those first two series, it was when you

1791
01:21:29,560 --> 01:21:31,880
Speaker 1: guys picked the ball up. I know, I was like,

1792
01:21:32,000 --> 01:21:34,760
Speaker 1: oh my god, I know, is this gonna happen again?

1793
01:21:34,920 --> 01:21:37,200
Speaker 3: When we got three, That's when I was like, no,

1794
01:21:37,320 --> 01:21:39,840
Speaker 3: I'm concerned because we picked the ball off. We're like

1795
01:21:39,920 --> 01:21:41,599
Speaker 3: in the low, We're in the in the red zone,

1796
01:21:41,640 --> 01:21:44,160
Speaker 3: the fringe area, and I'm like, now is the time

1797
01:21:44,560 --> 01:21:46,240
Speaker 3: to have we have to have a two score lead.

1798
01:21:46,439 --> 01:21:47,120
Speaker 1: We have to have.

1799
01:21:49,880 --> 01:21:51,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, if we're gonna go to the game,

1800
01:21:51,600 --> 01:21:54,960
Speaker 3: I thought were gonna go Lane Kiffin, but Michigan got out,

1801
01:21:55,000 --> 01:22:01,320
Speaker 3: played out, coached out, schemed out class. It was tough

1802
01:22:01,439 --> 01:22:03,240
Speaker 3: in every sense of the word. And honestly, I said

1803
01:22:03,240 --> 01:22:05,360
Speaker 3: I said in the video after the game, like congrats

1804
01:22:05,400 --> 01:22:09,200
Speaker 3: to Ryan Day, Brian Hartline, Matt Patricia like they earned it.

1805
01:22:09,720 --> 01:22:11,880
Speaker 3: They ate it for three and sixty five days, longer

1806
01:22:11,880 --> 01:22:16,120
Speaker 3: than that twenty and ninety one days, and once they won,

1807
01:22:16,280 --> 01:22:18,960
Speaker 3: there's no bullshit about it. They're like, hey, in their mind,

1808
01:22:19,000 --> 01:22:21,760
Speaker 3: everything is right in the world again, yep. And you

1809
01:22:21,800 --> 01:22:24,240
Speaker 3: gotta respect it. You gotta respect the way they handled it,

1810
01:22:24,439 --> 01:22:26,920
Speaker 3: how we have handled it. And if you're a Michigan fan,

1811
01:22:27,000 --> 01:22:28,599
Speaker 3: it's a great opportunity to look yourself in the mirror,

1812
01:22:28,680 --> 01:22:30,320
Speaker 3: be like, how how are we going to be winners?

1813
01:22:30,360 --> 01:22:30,680
Speaker 3: Next time?

1814
01:22:30,680 --> 01:22:31,120
Speaker 5: Are winners?

1815
01:22:31,200 --> 01:22:33,479
Speaker 3: How are we going to act? Because there's a piece

1816
01:22:33,520 --> 01:22:36,519
Speaker 3: of me that loves the bullshit like the flag planning

1817
01:22:36,560 --> 01:22:38,280
Speaker 3: and all that, because it just adds to the storyline

1818
01:22:38,400 --> 01:22:40,960
Speaker 3: of Rivalry Week and it shows the highlights and the

1819
01:22:41,000 --> 01:22:41,600
Speaker 3: fighting and all that.

1820
01:22:41,720 --> 01:22:42,240
Speaker 1: I love that.

1821
01:22:42,920 --> 01:22:46,920
Speaker 3: But when someone who's beaten you more times than not

1822
01:22:47,040 --> 01:22:49,720
Speaker 3: since two thousand and they just shake your hand and

1823
01:22:49,760 --> 01:22:51,720
Speaker 3: walk off the field, it's like that that's a tough

1824
01:22:51,800 --> 01:22:52,320
Speaker 3: fucking look.

1825
01:22:52,520 --> 01:22:53,960
Speaker 1: It says we're gonna win with humility.

1826
01:22:54,000 --> 01:22:57,160
Speaker 6: It's like, oh yeah, Like like that is they predict

1827
01:22:57,200 --> 01:22:57,559
Speaker 6: that you will?

1828
01:22:58,080 --> 01:23:00,720
Speaker 3: That's the right. The Ryan Day's playbook was perfect all

1829
01:23:00,720 --> 01:23:02,680
Speaker 3: the bad things I said about Ryan Day, like, I

1830
01:23:02,760 --> 01:23:04,400
Speaker 3: take you back. He's a leader of men. He's a

1831
01:23:04,400 --> 01:23:08,200
Speaker 3: great coach. He is, he's outstanding, he really is.

1832
01:23:08,600 --> 01:23:12,160
Speaker 6: The part that got me was Michigan's players protected them.

1833
01:23:12,360 --> 01:23:15,479
Speaker 6: Oh and Ohio State folks looked at it, like, what

1834
01:23:15,600 --> 01:23:17,280
Speaker 6: do you do? We're we're not going to do that anymore.

1835
01:23:17,400 --> 01:23:19,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, this isn't what you think it is.

1836
01:23:20,040 --> 01:23:22,559
Speaker 3: And the thing that bothers me is in Columbus last

1837
01:23:22,640 --> 01:23:25,439
Speaker 3: year when Ohio State players are trying to fight Michigan

1838
01:23:25,479 --> 01:23:27,720
Speaker 3: players over the flag thing, I'm thinking of myself, Hey,

1839
01:23:27,760 --> 01:23:29,600
Speaker 3: you had sixty minutes to defend your turf, like we

1840
01:23:29,680 --> 01:23:33,519
Speaker 3: technically took over your territory. Now sixty minutes has taken place.

1841
01:23:33,600 --> 01:23:35,599
Speaker 3: We got our ass whipped, and we got one hundred

1842
01:23:35,600 --> 01:23:37,840
Speaker 3: and ten guys standing on the the Orlians like, guys,

1843
01:23:38,479 --> 01:23:39,559
Speaker 3: it's they have won.

1844
01:23:39,720 --> 01:23:40,160
Speaker 6: Just go home.

1845
01:23:40,280 --> 01:23:42,200
Speaker 3: The game is over and it sucks.

1846
01:23:42,280 --> 01:23:42,439
Speaker 1: Man.

1847
01:23:42,720 --> 01:23:44,639
Speaker 3: I thought I didn't think we had a winning game plan.

1848
01:23:45,040 --> 01:23:47,920
Speaker 3: I mean, I know, Bryce like people want to mess

1849
01:23:47,920 --> 01:23:49,599
Speaker 3: with the stall and the kid through the ball eighteen times,

1850
01:23:49,960 --> 01:23:52,639
Speaker 3: and ten of those throws really came and like, okay,

1851
01:23:52,680 --> 01:23:54,800
Speaker 3: we're down by multiple scores. It's time to like kind

1852
01:23:54,800 --> 01:23:55,840
Speaker 3: of rip it, and it's like, how are you gonna

1853
01:23:55,840 --> 01:23:57,760
Speaker 3: get a kid to get into a groove of a

1854
01:23:57,840 --> 01:23:59,560
Speaker 3: game and then just be like all right, now, go

1855
01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:01,960
Speaker 3: save us. Yeah, it's a tough situation.

1856
01:24:01,720 --> 01:24:01,960
Speaker 5: To be in.

1857
01:24:02,120 --> 01:24:03,960
Speaker 1: Look, Ohio State is the best team in the country.

1858
01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:06,000
Speaker 1: They're the best team in the chaos that could happen

1859
01:24:06,040 --> 01:24:07,920
Speaker 1: in the playoffs and everything else. I'm just thinking, like,

1860
01:24:07,920 --> 01:24:09,040
Speaker 1: who's going to beat this team?

1861
01:24:09,200 --> 01:24:12,360
Speaker 6: No, the field may be one told you, we said

1862
01:24:12,400 --> 01:24:13,960
Speaker 6: in the locker room like a month ago. The whole

1863
01:24:14,080 --> 01:24:17,080
Speaker 6: chaos is going to be the playoff selection. It's going

1864
01:24:17,160 --> 01:24:19,320
Speaker 6: to be the process of getting to the playoff, because

1865
01:24:19,320 --> 01:24:20,920
Speaker 6: once you get in the playoff, it may not be

1866
01:24:21,000 --> 01:24:23,559
Speaker 6: that chaotic at all. It may just be who's lining

1867
01:24:23,640 --> 01:24:24,960
Speaker 6: up to be the next victim for them?

1868
01:24:25,280 --> 01:24:27,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you said it Percly on your show last night.

1869
01:24:27,960 --> 01:24:31,519
Speaker 3: Like every top team, after every game they have more questions.

1870
01:24:31,520 --> 01:24:33,439
Speaker 3: The only thing on how State's giving you his answers. Yeah,

1871
01:24:33,760 --> 01:24:36,519
Speaker 3: over and over and over again. All they've given is answers.

1872
01:24:36,760 --> 01:24:40,080
Speaker 3: And it sucks that I my team has to be

1873
01:24:40,160 --> 01:24:43,400
Speaker 3: the last head post on a stake like that sucks,

1874
01:24:43,800 --> 01:24:46,080
Speaker 3: But I mean that team is the best team. Now

1875
01:24:46,120 --> 01:24:49,720
Speaker 3: if you are Michigan, it's you see the level that

1876
01:24:50,040 --> 01:24:52,120
Speaker 3: States put themselves at in this new nil world, Like,

1877
01:24:52,200 --> 01:24:54,240
Speaker 3: are you going to go match that and go after

1878
01:24:54,320 --> 01:24:56,479
Speaker 3: it the same way they have? That's the question they

1879
01:24:56,520 --> 01:24:57,760
Speaker 3: have to ask themselves. I can't do it for I

1880
01:24:57,840 --> 01:24:59,560
Speaker 3: don't have that kind of money. I can't do it

1881
01:25:00,040 --> 01:25:02,479
Speaker 3: family to feed myself. I'm a superhero as a fan,

1882
01:25:02,560 --> 01:25:05,320
Speaker 3: hoping and wishing him, praying I'm with you. But yeah,

1883
01:25:05,400 --> 01:25:07,160
Speaker 3: I mean there's a whole lot that means to be saying.

1884
01:25:07,240 --> 01:25:08,680
Speaker 3: Let's you know, Mitch, if you want to rub it

1885
01:25:08,680 --> 01:25:10,760
Speaker 3: in a little bit, I saw your text about your

1886
01:25:10,840 --> 01:25:13,800
Speaker 3: childhood traumas and us real living those things for you.

1887
01:25:14,000 --> 01:25:17,320
Speaker 1: Hey, that man inspired Mitch to get back on the

1888
01:25:17,479 --> 01:25:18,160
Speaker 1: box man.

1889
01:25:18,760 --> 01:25:23,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, long tweet talking about Jack Jack's responses. That's a

1890
01:25:23,720 --> 01:25:24,240
Speaker 3: lot of words.

1891
01:25:24,400 --> 01:25:27,200
Speaker 1: That's a lot of words. But talking about driving the cans,

1892
01:25:27,280 --> 01:25:30,240
Speaker 1: the comforter and everything else. I know it had my attention.

1893
01:25:30,280 --> 01:25:31,559
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, Mitchie boy, I.

1894
01:25:31,640 --> 01:25:33,280
Speaker 3: Read half of it and I was just and it

1895
01:25:33,400 --> 01:25:35,200
Speaker 3: wasn't you. I was just fucking I was mad about

1896
01:25:35,200 --> 01:25:35,639
Speaker 3: the situation.

1897
01:25:35,920 --> 01:25:38,679
Speaker 5: No, I mean, like I I had to go through

1898
01:25:39,439 --> 01:25:40,120
Speaker 5: like I have been.

1899
01:25:40,320 --> 01:25:41,960
Speaker 9: I guess you could say, for lack of a better term,

1900
01:25:42,000 --> 01:25:44,080
Speaker 9: bullied out of being a fan just because I.

1901
01:25:44,160 --> 01:25:45,200
Speaker 5: Have been a bit casual.

1902
01:25:45,720 --> 01:25:48,599
Speaker 9: But like seeing Ryan Day, like we win with humility

1903
01:25:48,680 --> 01:25:50,800
Speaker 9: and then like him shakes your own's like, hey, we

1904
01:25:50,880 --> 01:25:52,280
Speaker 9: got to get these guys off the field. We're not

1905
01:25:52,320 --> 01:25:54,640
Speaker 9: going to do any flag planning, like like that's my

1906
01:25:55,160 --> 01:25:57,080
Speaker 9: that's my head coach. And like I have been a fan,

1907
01:25:57,720 --> 01:26:00,000
Speaker 9: like I had the comforter, I had to my bedroom

1908
01:26:00,040 --> 01:26:02,160
Speaker 9: and was painted like that. I went to two youth camps,

1909
01:26:02,240 --> 01:26:06,320
Speaker 9: like I've been a die hard fan, like since since

1910
01:26:06,360 --> 01:26:07,680
Speaker 9: a kid. But like I just kind of I don't

1911
01:26:07,680 --> 01:26:09,519
Speaker 9: know if I fell off a little bit, but like

1912
01:26:10,160 --> 01:26:13,160
Speaker 9: seeing that win, it's like, oh, I'm I'm fully bad.

1913
01:26:13,200 --> 01:26:15,120
Speaker 6: You found your faith again? I did, Yeah, you found

1914
01:26:15,120 --> 01:26:15,679
Speaker 6: your faith again.

1915
01:26:16,680 --> 01:26:20,240
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, he's a born again buck guy.

1916
01:26:20,400 --> 01:26:22,160
Speaker 3: Man, I don't really see a team on here that

1917
01:26:22,920 --> 01:26:23,720
Speaker 3: beats Ohio State.

1918
01:26:24,640 --> 01:26:25,960
Speaker 6: Ohio State is the team.

1919
01:26:26,479 --> 01:26:28,160
Speaker 3: It's the team, Like, that's the team.

1920
01:26:28,240 --> 01:26:29,479
Speaker 6: That's the team that beats at State.

1921
01:26:29,920 --> 01:26:32,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the only way that team loses. Can I

1922
01:26:32,680 --> 01:26:34,880
Speaker 3: ask you a question, are we should we be done

1923
01:26:34,960 --> 01:26:37,920
Speaker 3: with conference championships? Like we have number one and number

1924
01:26:37,960 --> 01:26:41,880
Speaker 3: two indianniversal health state this weekend, and it makes zero

1925
01:26:42,080 --> 01:26:44,360
Speaker 3: sense if the Commission has already said it's not going

1926
01:26:44,400 --> 01:26:47,120
Speaker 3: to affect their judgment, If they're technically still going to

1927
01:26:47,160 --> 01:26:50,040
Speaker 3: stay one to two, why not sit all your best players?

1928
01:26:50,080 --> 01:26:52,320
Speaker 3: Will be like, Hey, why hurt these guys more when

1929
01:26:52,360 --> 01:26:54,200
Speaker 3: we have three four more games to play?

1930
01:26:54,360 --> 01:26:56,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'll do you another one. I mean, the Big

1931
01:26:56,240 --> 01:26:59,000
Speaker 6: ten's the easy one. Look at the SEC. So Alabama's

1932
01:26:59,040 --> 01:27:01,719
Speaker 6: in the playoff right now. If they just don't play Saturday,

1933
01:27:01,760 --> 01:27:03,639
Speaker 6: they're in the playoff now. They don't have a first

1934
01:27:03,680 --> 01:27:06,280
Speaker 6: round by so technically they could play Saturday and get that.

1935
01:27:06,520 --> 01:27:09,400
Speaker 6: That'd be wonderful. However, if they didn't have the game

1936
01:27:09,520 --> 01:27:12,920
Speaker 6: this weekend, that would be their bye. So what happens

1937
01:27:12,960 --> 01:27:14,800
Speaker 6: to the SEC? Because George is going to be in

1938
01:27:14,840 --> 01:27:16,760
Speaker 6: no matter what. There are folks out there walking the

1939
01:27:16,800 --> 01:27:19,559
Speaker 6: streets this morning who are seriously suggesting to you if

1940
01:27:19,600 --> 01:27:22,200
Speaker 6: Alabama lose a Saturday, they're going to fall out, which

1941
01:27:22,200 --> 01:27:25,639
Speaker 6: I think is insane. But same question for both conferences there,

1942
01:27:25,960 --> 01:27:27,280
Speaker 6: Why have your game Saturday?

1943
01:27:27,360 --> 01:27:27,559
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1944
01:27:27,560 --> 01:27:30,280
Speaker 6: That's why I think with this new talk about we're

1945
01:27:30,280 --> 01:27:33,040
Speaker 6: going to restructure the playoff or whatnot. If they do it,

1946
01:27:33,320 --> 01:27:36,080
Speaker 6: whatever changes they make, they've either got to crystallize the

1947
01:27:36,280 --> 01:27:38,720
Speaker 6: value of conference championship games or they got to do

1948
01:27:38,800 --> 01:27:40,880
Speaker 6: away with them, and the latter is not a realistic

1949
01:27:40,920 --> 01:27:42,840
Speaker 6: option because they make way too much money on them.

1950
01:27:43,200 --> 01:27:45,080
Speaker 6: So that goes to my whole theory of why I

1951
01:27:45,120 --> 01:27:47,400
Speaker 6: don't think Bama's falling out no matter what, because You've

1952
01:27:47,400 --> 01:27:49,960
Speaker 6: got really one of, if not the most powerful conferences

1953
01:27:50,000 --> 01:27:53,120
Speaker 6: in college football with their one seed. I know Bama's

1954
01:27:53,200 --> 01:27:55,439
Speaker 6: ranked behind Georgia, but they are technically the one seed

1955
01:27:55,520 --> 01:27:58,120
Speaker 6: in the SEC. If you tell the most one of

1956
01:27:58,120 --> 01:28:00,639
Speaker 6: the most powerful conferences in college football, your one seed

1957
01:28:00,720 --> 01:28:03,160
Speaker 6: could miss our twelve team playoff because they played in

1958
01:28:03,240 --> 01:28:06,720
Speaker 6: your conference championship game. The SEC like may burn the

1959
01:28:06,760 --> 01:28:09,040
Speaker 6: whole thing down, Like they may just take their ball

1960
01:28:09,120 --> 01:28:10,439
Speaker 6: and go home and say, you know what, we're going

1961
01:28:10,520 --> 01:28:12,400
Speaker 6: to do our own thing. You guys have fun. Let

1962
01:28:12,479 --> 01:28:14,920
Speaker 6: us know when you figure it out. And think about this,

1963
01:28:15,240 --> 01:28:19,720
Speaker 6: there's a world where Alabama SEC championship game participant is

1964
01:28:19,880 --> 01:28:22,639
Speaker 6: not in the playoff and there are two G fives

1965
01:28:22,720 --> 01:28:25,760
Speaker 6: and two big twelves in the playoff. I just threw up.

1966
01:28:26,320 --> 01:28:27,519
Speaker 6: Many people just threw up.

1967
01:28:27,520 --> 01:28:28,080
Speaker 1: Listening to that.

1968
01:28:28,320 --> 01:28:30,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, people had to pull over in their cars.

1969
01:28:31,200 --> 01:28:35,280
Speaker 1: What if Georgia wins like thirty one to thirteen, I

1970
01:28:35,320 --> 01:28:38,960
Speaker 1: don't care. That's just thinking like kind of a blowout scenario,

1971
01:28:38,960 --> 01:28:39,760
Speaker 1: Obama falls out.

1972
01:28:39,840 --> 01:28:42,479
Speaker 6: Oh no, there is a chance they fall out. I'm

1973
01:28:42,520 --> 01:28:44,960
Speaker 6: telling you, I would never drop them out because if

1974
01:28:44,960 --> 01:28:47,920
Speaker 6: they're in today, then they're in period. But yeah, like

1975
01:28:48,080 --> 01:28:50,519
Speaker 6: I keep listening to the folks who really follow this

1976
01:28:51,040 --> 01:28:53,240
Speaker 6: hardcore and the people who have sat in with the

1977
01:28:53,280 --> 01:28:55,360
Speaker 6: committee before, Like they take some of the media folks,

1978
01:28:55,640 --> 01:28:57,320
Speaker 6: they fly them down to Texas and they have them

1979
01:28:57,360 --> 01:29:00,599
Speaker 6: sit through the mock selection process, and everybody who sat

1980
01:29:00,640 --> 01:29:04,080
Speaker 6: through that thing keeps on putting their predictions out and

1981
01:29:04,320 --> 01:29:06,720
Speaker 6: they have Bama losing if they lose to Georgia and

1982
01:29:06,800 --> 01:29:09,360
Speaker 6: maybe dropping out. I don't think those people are all stupid,

1983
01:29:09,439 --> 01:29:11,519
Speaker 6: Like they clearly know what they're talking about. So yeah,

1984
01:29:11,560 --> 01:29:14,280
Speaker 6: there's a chance. I just think it's insane and if

1985
01:29:14,320 --> 01:29:16,760
Speaker 6: you do it, they're going to be much bigger ramifications

1986
01:29:17,240 --> 01:29:21,080
Speaker 6: for the SEC, because you notice, like I saw Greg

1987
01:29:21,080 --> 01:29:23,280
Speaker 6: Sankey Saturday night, the Commissioner of the SEC, and it

1988
01:29:23,360 --> 01:29:25,800
Speaker 6: made me remember that guy hasn't said a word about this.

1989
01:29:26,400 --> 01:29:28,400
Speaker 6: No one in the SEC has said a word about it.

1990
01:29:28,439 --> 01:29:30,920
Speaker 6: From the league office. They haven't tried to politic they

1991
01:29:30,960 --> 01:29:34,040
Speaker 6: haven't tried to influence publicly or privately. They haven't sid

1992
01:29:34,040 --> 01:29:36,080
Speaker 6: a word to me like, they haven't reached out to

1993
01:29:36,200 --> 01:29:39,080
Speaker 6: try and stoke the fire. I think they're just waiting

1994
01:29:39,720 --> 01:29:41,880
Speaker 6: to see the outcome. And if Bama wins, it's a

1995
01:29:41,920 --> 01:29:45,760
Speaker 6: moot point. If Bama loses, that twelve hours between that

1996
01:29:45,920 --> 01:29:49,919
Speaker 6: game and the selection the next day will be honestly,

1997
01:29:50,000 --> 01:29:52,880
Speaker 6: it'll be about like the coaching world was over the

1998
01:29:52,920 --> 01:29:55,200
Speaker 6: past few days with lang Kiff and an LSU just

1999
01:29:55,240 --> 01:29:56,120
Speaker 6: be total insanity.

2000
01:29:57,320 --> 01:29:57,519
Speaker 1: God.

2001
01:29:57,640 --> 01:29:59,920
Speaker 7: I have a question if if Bama were to win

2002
01:30:00,120 --> 01:30:03,760
Speaker 7: this weekend, do they earn one of the top four

2003
01:30:03,840 --> 01:30:06,439
Speaker 7: spots and then they get the bye and then Georgia

2004
01:30:06,439 --> 01:30:08,280
Speaker 7: would fall to whatever that would be.

2005
01:30:08,439 --> 01:30:09,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, I like I think that's the way it would work.

2006
01:30:10,080 --> 01:30:11,000
Speaker 6: That's the other side.

2007
01:30:12,800 --> 01:30:13,240
Speaker 1: Teams.

2008
01:30:15,520 --> 01:30:17,120
Speaker 6: I think the SEC champ is going to have a

2009
01:30:17,160 --> 01:30:19,760
Speaker 6: first round by whoever that is, Yeah, Georgia Obviously I

2010
01:30:19,800 --> 01:30:22,599
Speaker 6: think Bama would jump up there too. Uh. Then Georgia

2011
01:30:23,120 --> 01:30:25,400
Speaker 6: falls to hosting a playoff game, and I think the

2012
01:30:25,439 --> 01:30:28,559
Speaker 6: way it's projected right now, three of the four teams

2013
01:30:28,640 --> 01:30:31,160
Speaker 6: that would host a playoff game or SEC teams and

2014
01:30:31,240 --> 01:30:34,639
Speaker 6: then it would probably be organ or maybe I think

2015
01:30:34,720 --> 01:30:36,479
Speaker 6: Texas Tech is going to jump up and take one

2016
01:30:36,520 --> 01:30:38,920
Speaker 6: of the spots, by the way as the Big twelve champs.

2017
01:30:38,920 --> 01:30:41,719
Speaker 6: So yeah, like Oregon and three SEC teams hosting against

2018
01:30:42,720 --> 01:30:45,120
Speaker 6: god knows who from the G five ranks and they're

2019
01:30:45,120 --> 01:30:53,280
Speaker 6: probably three touchdown favorites. What if beats Virginia's.

2020
01:30:52,560 --> 01:30:55,080
Speaker 3: Beatause you have Virginia sitting at eleven seed right now,

2021
01:30:56,000 --> 01:30:58,240
Speaker 3: they lose to do Who's nowhere to be found on

2022
01:30:58,400 --> 01:30:58,920
Speaker 3: this chart?

2023
01:30:59,720 --> 01:31:04,880
Speaker 6: What then it's I want to remind people. Okay, we

2024
01:31:05,439 --> 01:31:08,920
Speaker 6: talked about the ACC doomsday scenario on the locker room

2025
01:31:09,120 --> 01:31:13,280
Speaker 6: a month ago, and then Duke lost to Virginia ironically,

2026
01:31:13,600 --> 01:31:16,599
Speaker 6: and we kind of thought, okay, doomsday scenario off the table.

2027
01:31:16,720 --> 01:31:20,200
Speaker 6: The ACC is so bad it lost its way back

2028
01:31:20,280 --> 01:31:23,280
Speaker 6: into the doomsday scenario. The doomsday scenario is and this

2029
01:31:23,400 --> 01:31:25,840
Speaker 6: is gonna sound fake, but it's not. Duke is seven

2030
01:31:25,880 --> 01:31:28,840
Speaker 6: and five playing for a conference championship. Because many of

2031
01:31:28,880 --> 01:31:31,720
Speaker 6: their losses are out of conference losses. Duke is a

2032
01:31:31,840 --> 01:31:35,360
Speaker 6: two and a half point dog against Virginia. If they

2033
01:31:35,520 --> 01:31:39,080
Speaker 6: beat Virginia Duke. The best we counted it last night,

2034
01:31:39,479 --> 01:31:41,559
Speaker 6: Duke is not in the top forty of the AP

2035
01:31:41,800 --> 01:31:44,080
Speaker 6: right now, and that's as far as you can count.

2036
01:31:44,120 --> 01:31:46,840
Speaker 6: You can't even go past forty. They're not even receiving votes.

2037
01:31:47,080 --> 01:31:49,680
Speaker 6: If Duke wins, they won't be close to one of

2038
01:31:49,800 --> 01:31:52,599
Speaker 6: the five highest ranked conference champs, so they won't get

2039
01:31:52,600 --> 01:31:56,240
Speaker 6: an automatic bid. Those autobids would go to James Madison

2040
01:31:56,439 --> 01:31:59,560
Speaker 6: and whoever wins the American Athletic Conference, and then the

2041
01:32:00,120 --> 01:32:02,439
Speaker 6: the rest of the Power four league champs. And so

2042
01:32:02,680 --> 01:32:05,639
Speaker 6: the question would become for the committee on selection Sunday,

2043
01:32:06,479 --> 01:32:08,320
Speaker 6: are we going to put Miami in the playoff? Basically

2044
01:32:08,680 --> 01:32:11,120
Speaker 6: that would be the ACC's only shot at getting a

2045
01:32:11,160 --> 01:32:14,080
Speaker 6: team in the playoff, And if they say no to Miami,

2046
01:32:14,439 --> 01:32:17,000
Speaker 6: like they have been doing, you're looking at the ACC

2047
01:32:17,160 --> 01:32:20,080
Speaker 6: being shut out entirely. Which again we floated on the

2048
01:32:20,120 --> 01:32:22,360
Speaker 6: locker room a month ago. I saw the comment section.

2049
01:32:22,560 --> 01:32:24,479
Speaker 6: They thought we were idiots. They thought we weren't reading

2050
01:32:24,520 --> 01:32:27,080
Speaker 6: the rules correctly. Right, No, we were reading the rules correctly.

2051
01:32:27,400 --> 01:32:29,559
Speaker 6: It's just a scenario no one ever thought would happen,

2052
01:32:30,160 --> 01:32:33,280
Speaker 6: has already happened in the second year of the twelftheen Playoff.

2053
01:32:34,360 --> 01:32:35,800
Speaker 6: That's the world you live in. That's the world you

2054
01:32:35,880 --> 01:32:36,800
Speaker 6: woke up in this morning.

2055
01:32:37,840 --> 01:32:42,320
Speaker 3: Everyone, Duke, what is North Texas's record? Why are they even?

2056
01:32:43,840 --> 01:32:44,519
Speaker 3: They're eleven in one?

2057
01:32:44,600 --> 01:32:46,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, North Texas play I've already had my stance on.

2058
01:32:46,960 --> 01:32:48,880
Speaker 3: The G five. You need to be undefeated, Yeah, well

2059
01:32:49,120 --> 01:32:51,920
Speaker 3: have to be. Look here and their coach just less.

2060
01:32:52,080 --> 01:32:54,720
Speaker 1: So now now we're in a situation that we don't

2061
01:32:54,760 --> 01:32:57,040
Speaker 1: need multiple G fives. Well, we need a G five

2062
01:32:57,160 --> 01:32:59,600
Speaker 1: to take out the acc Like, if Duke wins, that

2063
01:33:00,080 --> 01:33:02,840
Speaker 1: will obviously be the domino effect, but we kind of

2064
01:33:02,920 --> 01:33:05,040
Speaker 1: need the G five a little bit right now, if

2065
01:33:05,040 --> 01:33:07,600
Speaker 1: you want, because no matter what we were accepting, we

2066
01:33:07,800 --> 01:33:09,600
Speaker 1: have to accept the rules of the game, which is

2067
01:33:09,680 --> 01:33:14,760
Speaker 1: G You know, these top five ranked conference champions they

2068
01:33:14,840 --> 01:33:15,080
Speaker 1: get in.

2069
01:33:15,680 --> 01:33:15,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2070
01:33:16,280 --> 01:33:18,320
Speaker 6: Look here's the other side of it though. If Virginia

2071
01:33:18,360 --> 01:33:21,679
Speaker 6: beats Duke, it still just means a G five team

2072
01:33:21,720 --> 01:33:24,240
Speaker 6: in Virginia are going to be in and those just

2073
01:33:24,560 --> 01:33:28,000
Speaker 6: total blowout city against the five and the six seed

2074
01:33:28,240 --> 01:33:31,200
Speaker 6: in their building in round one. Both of those games

2075
01:33:31,240 --> 01:33:34,360
Speaker 6: are going to be between fourteen and twenty one point spreads.

2076
01:33:35,240 --> 01:33:37,559
Speaker 6: It will be SMU Penn State last year, like it'll

2077
01:33:37,600 --> 01:33:39,760
Speaker 6: be that all over again, and you just know you're

2078
01:33:39,800 --> 01:33:42,519
Speaker 6: mailing it in. You're trying to stay healthy and it's

2079
01:33:42,560 --> 01:33:44,479
Speaker 6: going to be a really boring watch.

2080
01:33:44,800 --> 01:33:46,599
Speaker 1: But what about the spirit of college football?

2081
01:33:46,760 --> 01:33:48,800
Speaker 6: I'm all for it, That's why I tune in every

2082
01:33:48,880 --> 01:33:51,760
Speaker 6: Saturday in the fall. That is great. But you said

2083
01:33:51,760 --> 01:33:53,840
Speaker 6: the spirit of college football, right, yeah, And the spirit

2084
01:33:53,920 --> 01:33:58,160
Speaker 6: of college football sometimes gets misconstrued to where every single

2085
01:33:58,280 --> 01:34:00,439
Speaker 6: team in the one hundred and thirty sixteen field of

2086
01:34:00,560 --> 01:34:03,599
Speaker 6: FBS is playing the same level of football. Everyone knows

2087
01:34:03,640 --> 01:34:06,400
Speaker 6: they're not. Both of you have actually gone on record

2088
01:34:06,439 --> 01:34:09,200
Speaker 6: as saying, yeah, there should probably be a G five playoff.

2089
01:34:09,640 --> 01:34:11,479
Speaker 6: I've beat that drum for years, but you come to

2090
01:34:11,520 --> 01:34:14,040
Speaker 6: a total end pass because they just push back and say, no,

2091
01:34:14,160 --> 01:34:16,439
Speaker 6: we don't want our own playoff. We want the right

2092
01:34:16,560 --> 01:34:18,800
Speaker 6: to earn our way to get our head beat in

2093
01:34:19,520 --> 01:34:21,240
Speaker 6: like they would rather have that world.

2094
01:34:21,520 --> 01:34:24,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you had so. As it stands right now,

2095
01:34:24,560 --> 01:34:26,680
Speaker 3: North Texas is going to play Oregon at Oregon or

2096
01:34:26,880 --> 01:34:29,400
Speaker 3: North Texas or two laneg So one of those teams

2097
01:34:29,439 --> 01:34:33,040
Speaker 3: are if your Oregon and your schedule comes out and

2098
01:34:33,240 --> 01:34:35,120
Speaker 3: you have them in one of your first four games,

2099
01:34:35,160 --> 01:34:37,519
Speaker 3: you're not looking at that going oh shit, we gotta

2100
01:34:37,560 --> 01:34:39,200
Speaker 3: win this one. And now we sit here in the

2101
01:34:39,240 --> 01:34:42,200
Speaker 3: playoff and the most important games of the year. Your

2102
01:34:42,240 --> 01:34:44,040
Speaker 3: first game is against two Lane or North Texas.

2103
01:34:44,120 --> 01:34:46,320
Speaker 6: Yeah, for the spirit of college football.

2104
01:34:46,360 --> 01:34:49,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, both coaches are gone. Yeah, gee's over here saying

2105
01:34:49,200 --> 01:34:53,719
Speaker 3: both coaches are gone, Which why not van By who's

2106
01:34:53,760 --> 01:34:56,360
Speaker 3: ten and two, or even Texas. It's nine to three.

2107
01:34:56,600 --> 01:34:57,439
Speaker 1: That's what it should be.

2108
01:34:57,840 --> 01:35:00,679
Speaker 3: That's what it should be. Absolutely, But as Vandy out,

2109
01:35:02,160 --> 01:35:02,759
Speaker 3: I think.

2110
01:35:02,800 --> 01:35:05,559
Speaker 6: It looks like Vandy's out. I think it's crazy. They

2111
01:35:05,680 --> 01:35:08,120
Speaker 6: dropped in the eight people. They dropped in the eight

2112
01:35:08,160 --> 01:35:12,000
Speaker 6: people after beating Tennessee. But look, it's another no win, okay,

2113
01:35:12,000 --> 01:35:15,120
Speaker 6: because when you're arguing Vandy, you're not arguing Vandy. You're

2114
01:35:15,240 --> 01:35:17,880
Speaker 6: arguing a fifth SEC team. That's all the public heres,

2115
01:35:18,400 --> 01:35:20,640
Speaker 6: and they're gonna say, well, who is Vandy beaton? And

2116
01:35:20,680 --> 01:35:22,720
Speaker 6: then you say, dude, they just beat Tennessee on the road. Well,

2117
01:35:22,760 --> 01:35:24,759
Speaker 6: Tennessee didn't even have a win against indie, winning conference

2118
01:35:24,840 --> 01:35:26,479
Speaker 6: with a winning record. It's like, if you really want

2119
01:35:26,520 --> 01:35:28,519
Speaker 6: to go down that rabbit hole, I could pick apart

2120
01:35:28,560 --> 01:35:31,080
Speaker 6: every resume up there. The side of Ohio State in Indiana,

2121
01:35:31,439 --> 01:35:35,240
Speaker 6: I could easily do that. It's very very selective enforcement

2122
01:35:35,400 --> 01:35:38,840
Speaker 6: of criteria to pick apart someone's resume. Bottom line is,

2123
01:35:39,240 --> 01:35:42,679
Speaker 6: if we sat on this bus in July and anyone said,

2124
01:35:43,040 --> 01:35:45,640
Speaker 6: rubbed the magic eight ball this morning, I know for

2125
01:35:45,760 --> 01:35:47,960
Speaker 6: a fact Vandy's going ten to two. They're gonna end

2126
01:35:47,960 --> 01:35:50,160
Speaker 6: the season red hot. They're gonna drop forty five in

2127
01:35:50,200 --> 01:35:53,360
Speaker 6: Kneeland Stadium. They're gonna run for over three hundred against Tennessee.

2128
01:35:53,640 --> 01:35:56,400
Speaker 6: They're gonna have a bona fide Heisman Trophy candidate quarterback

2129
01:35:56,560 --> 01:35:58,320
Speaker 6: like Diego Poppy is not gonna get hurt. He's gonna

2130
01:35:58,320 --> 01:36:00,640
Speaker 6: go the whole wire to wire season. You're asking what

2131
01:36:00,720 --> 01:36:02,760
Speaker 6: seed are they gonna be? Yeah, you're gonna ask are

2132
01:36:02,760 --> 01:36:04,120
Speaker 6: they gonna get a first round by are they going

2133
01:36:04,120 --> 01:36:06,040
Speaker 6: to Atlanta? Are they gonna play for the conference title?

2134
01:36:06,280 --> 01:36:08,560
Speaker 6: And instead it's yeah, sorry, we're gonna drop you a

2135
01:36:08,600 --> 01:36:09,960
Speaker 6: spot in the ap Bye.

2136
01:36:10,840 --> 01:36:12,360
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I thought it makes no sense to me.

2137
01:36:13,840 --> 01:36:15,280
Speaker 1: You have other jacks.

2138
01:36:15,360 --> 01:36:17,400
Speaker 3: Jack's over here golf clapping in the corner.

2139
01:36:20,240 --> 01:36:23,880
Speaker 1: That's that's pain. That's pain coming out. Yeah. The total

2140
01:36:23,960 --> 01:36:26,200
Speaker 1: the total chaos scenario we could be looking at here,

2141
01:36:27,040 --> 01:36:32,519
Speaker 1: Georgia wins big b YU beats Texas Tech, and Duke wins.

2142
01:36:32,880 --> 01:36:37,400
Speaker 6: Okay, I can address those one at a time. B

2143
01:36:37,600 --> 01:36:40,800
Speaker 6: YU beats Texas Tech. They're both in. Yeah, b YU

2144
01:36:40,920 --> 01:36:43,080
Speaker 6: is the conference champ. Texas Tech's not gonna drop out,

2145
01:36:43,520 --> 01:36:48,200
Speaker 6: all right, Duke wins. That means two G five teams

2146
01:36:48,200 --> 01:36:51,720
Speaker 6: are going in, so Duke wouldn't be in. So at

2147
01:36:51,760 --> 01:36:54,880
Speaker 6: that point already, just with those two parameters, you have

2148
01:36:55,240 --> 01:36:58,320
Speaker 6: two G fives and two Big twelve teams. So a

2149
01:36:58,479 --> 01:37:01,800
Speaker 6: third of your playoff is going to be made up

2150
01:37:01,880 --> 01:37:05,600
Speaker 6: of G five or Big twelve? Are you going to

2151
01:37:05,680 --> 01:37:08,439
Speaker 6: drop Alabama out if they get blown out? Like I'm

2152
01:37:08,479 --> 01:37:10,519
Speaker 6: not independent of what I think should happen, I think

2153
01:37:10,520 --> 01:37:12,840
Speaker 6: the committee would drop them out, at which point you

2154
01:37:12,840 --> 01:37:15,600
Speaker 6: would have this whole side bar of chaos with the

2155
01:37:15,800 --> 01:37:19,639
Speaker 6: SEC and they would have a legit right, Georgia would

2156
01:37:19,640 --> 01:37:22,479
Speaker 6: be in. That's just going to be a crazy I mean,

2157
01:37:22,880 --> 01:37:25,240
Speaker 6: you would really get around to even asking is Notre

2158
01:37:25,320 --> 01:37:27,080
Speaker 6: Dame then, because you got to make room for all

2159
01:37:27,120 --> 01:37:30,400
Speaker 6: these teams. And by the way, my opinion is Notre

2160
01:37:30,479 --> 01:37:33,160
Speaker 6: Dame is not nearly as solidly just in the playoff

2161
01:37:33,200 --> 01:37:36,439
Speaker 6: as people assume they are, because you don't know how

2162
01:37:36,479 --> 01:37:39,600
Speaker 6: many teams you got to make room for. So I

2163
01:37:39,760 --> 01:37:41,920
Speaker 6: dropped Notre Dame out before I dropped Alabama out in

2164
01:37:42,000 --> 01:37:44,400
Speaker 6: that scenario because one of them played for conference title

2165
01:37:44,479 --> 01:37:45,840
Speaker 6: and one of them didn't, and I'm not going to

2166
01:37:45,880 --> 01:37:47,960
Speaker 6: punish them. But then the other part of that is,

2167
01:37:48,280 --> 01:37:50,439
Speaker 6: so let's just look at tomorrow night. We're recording this

2168
01:37:50,560 --> 01:37:53,920
Speaker 6: on Monday, Tuesday night, the rankings come out. We assume

2169
01:37:54,000 --> 01:37:56,479
Speaker 6: Notre Dame's probably still going to be a ranked ahead

2170
01:37:56,479 --> 01:37:59,360
Speaker 6: of Miami, but Miami's got another data point. Now, they

2171
01:37:59,400 --> 01:38:02,080
Speaker 6: went and smoke pit worse than Notre Dame did on

2172
01:38:02,200 --> 01:38:05,559
Speaker 6: the road, and we're gonna have to find out. Does

2173
01:38:05,600 --> 01:38:07,160
Speaker 6: the committee look at that and still say, yeah, we

2174
01:38:07,160 --> 01:38:09,920
Speaker 6: don't care. We just think Notre Dame's better. So we know,

2175
01:38:10,000 --> 01:38:12,400
Speaker 6: you guys played a head to head and we know

2176
01:38:12,560 --> 01:38:16,559
Speaker 6: that Miami's beaten several comparable opponents worse than Notre Dame did,

2177
01:38:16,720 --> 01:38:18,280
Speaker 6: but we don't care about that cause our eyeballs tell

2178
01:38:18,320 --> 01:38:20,000
Speaker 6: us Notre Dame is better, which I agree with. By

2179
01:38:20,040 --> 01:38:22,880
Speaker 6: the way, I just think it's irrelevant because you should

2180
01:38:22,920 --> 01:38:28,160
Speaker 6: have set parameters that actually matter, and they are enforced.

2181
01:38:28,280 --> 01:38:30,160
Speaker 6: So we got to find out where Miami and Notre

2182
01:38:30,200 --> 01:38:32,120
Speaker 6: Dame are going to be tomorrow night so that we

2183
01:38:32,160 --> 01:38:34,680
Speaker 6: can project who would potentially be left out. And then

2184
01:38:34,720 --> 01:38:37,120
Speaker 6: the you want a real chaos scenario, Ole Miss is

2185
01:38:37,160 --> 01:38:39,519
Speaker 6: sitting there as the projected seven seed, right, yeah, yeah,

2186
01:38:39,520 --> 01:38:43,360
Speaker 6: all right, well the coaching staff, yeah, coaching staff. Coaching

2187
01:38:43,400 --> 01:38:46,240
Speaker 6: staff leaves, and the committee has it in their protocol

2188
01:38:46,920 --> 01:38:50,519
Speaker 6: to redefine how good a team is if you've lost

2189
01:38:50,560 --> 01:38:52,560
Speaker 6: a player like Jordan Travis twenty.

2190
01:38:52,400 --> 01:38:55,200
Speaker 4: Twenty three undefeated State, or if you lose.

2191
01:38:55,040 --> 01:38:59,519
Speaker 6: Coaches ole Miss this year. So there is this world

2192
01:39:00,000 --> 01:39:02,040
Speaker 6: where the committee looks at Old Miss and says, sorry, guys,

2193
01:39:03,280 --> 01:39:03,880
Speaker 6: that's chaos.

2194
01:39:04,960 --> 01:39:08,720
Speaker 1: And also to that domino effect chaos two based on

2195
01:39:08,840 --> 01:39:11,519
Speaker 1: the rules of conference champion winners and everything else. It's like,

2196
01:39:11,920 --> 01:39:15,439
Speaker 1: you know, the coaches leaving at uh Tulane in North Texas.

2197
01:39:16,400 --> 01:39:18,840
Speaker 1: They'll be in there in the playoff without their head coach. Yep.

2198
01:39:18,880 --> 01:39:22,560
Speaker 6: But the structure difference there is if Tulane wins the

2199
01:39:22,600 --> 01:39:25,640
Speaker 6: American this Saturday, they're a conference champ. There's this designation

2200
01:39:25,880 --> 01:39:28,080
Speaker 6: on them. It doesn't matter if the committee thinks they're

2201
01:39:28,080 --> 01:39:30,200
Speaker 6: the worst team in the country. They've got to put

2202
01:39:30,240 --> 01:39:31,720
Speaker 6: them in if they're one of the five highest ranked

2203
01:39:31,720 --> 01:39:34,439
Speaker 6: conference champs. With Old Miss, they're just in that large team.

2204
01:39:34,880 --> 01:39:37,200
Speaker 6: So it's totally up to the committee whether they get

2205
01:39:37,240 --> 01:39:37,519
Speaker 6: put in.

2206
01:39:38,200 --> 01:39:38,640
Speaker 1: Just like it.

2207
01:39:39,120 --> 01:39:41,400
Speaker 6: It's the same with Notre Dame. It's the same with Oklahoma.

2208
01:39:41,640 --> 01:39:43,360
Speaker 6: It would be the same with Oregon. With Texas, A

2209
01:39:43,360 --> 01:39:45,760
Speaker 6: and M, they're at larges. So the committee's got to

2210
01:39:45,760 --> 01:39:47,720
Speaker 6: give you a spot you didn't technically earn it by

2211
01:39:47,880 --> 01:39:51,920
Speaker 6: this designation of being a conference champ. It's messy. It's

2212
01:39:52,000 --> 01:39:52,559
Speaker 6: really messy.

2213
01:39:53,040 --> 01:39:55,360
Speaker 3: Is this fixed or does it hurt more if you

2214
01:39:55,479 --> 01:39:57,559
Speaker 3: expand the playoff, which I know you've been a guy

2215
01:39:57,640 --> 01:40:01,439
Speaker 3: that is totally against. But then you get Vandy in

2216
01:40:01,720 --> 01:40:04,400
Speaker 3: all missstays these G five teams, I don't know what

2217
01:40:04,400 --> 01:40:05,880
Speaker 3: the hell do you even deal with them? Virginia is in.

2218
01:40:06,479 --> 01:40:08,040
Speaker 6: Let me tell you my theory. It was the same

2219
01:40:08,080 --> 01:40:10,679
Speaker 6: when it was a four team playoff. I've never thought

2220
01:40:10,800 --> 01:40:13,200
Speaker 6: that just because people are mad, it means something's wrong.

2221
01:40:14,640 --> 01:40:16,960
Speaker 6: I just think it means you have something really valuable

2222
01:40:17,080 --> 01:40:18,560
Speaker 6: and there aren't a whole lot of them, and a

2223
01:40:18,600 --> 01:40:21,560
Speaker 6: bunch of people want them, bunch of flawed teams, So

2224
01:40:21,720 --> 01:40:24,479
Speaker 6: no team's perfect up here. So we're looking at varying

2225
01:40:24,560 --> 01:40:27,280
Speaker 6: degrees of flawed resumes and we're trying to find the

2226
01:40:27,320 --> 01:40:29,760
Speaker 6: twelve least flawed. Although you could argue that's not really

2227
01:40:29,840 --> 01:40:32,840
Speaker 6: the case with the whole G five thing. But no,

2228
01:40:33,080 --> 01:40:35,639
Speaker 6: I don't think you should ever expand it. You can't

2229
01:40:35,800 --> 01:40:40,040
Speaker 6: expand the playoff enough to ever stop conversation and ever

2230
01:40:40,160 --> 01:40:43,640
Speaker 6: stop anger, and ever stop hurt feelings. It would be

2231
01:40:43,720 --> 01:40:46,000
Speaker 6: the exact same Like people always say this, but they're right.

2232
01:40:46,400 --> 01:40:47,920
Speaker 6: You would have to expand the thing to one hundred

2233
01:40:47,920 --> 01:40:51,640
Speaker 6: and thirty six teams before you fully rid yourself of

2234
01:40:51,680 --> 01:40:54,680
Speaker 6: people being upset that they got left out. So you

2235
01:40:54,840 --> 01:40:57,200
Speaker 6: either expand it to the point where there are still

2236
01:40:57,240 --> 01:41:01,400
Speaker 6: some upset people and hurt feelings, but it's really really

2237
01:41:01,560 --> 01:41:04,920
Speaker 6: must see stuff late November early December, or you expand

2238
01:41:05,000 --> 01:41:07,640
Speaker 6: it to the point where not only does everyone who

2239
01:41:07,720 --> 01:41:09,800
Speaker 6: deserves to get in get in, but we also probably

2240
01:41:09,840 --> 01:41:11,240
Speaker 6: throw in a few that don't deserve to get in,

2241
01:41:11,600 --> 01:41:13,960
Speaker 6: Like what puts more value, what puts more premium on

2242
01:41:14,040 --> 01:41:15,000
Speaker 6: regular season games?

2243
01:41:16,120 --> 01:41:17,439
Speaker 3: Those who deserve to get in get in.

2244
01:41:17,880 --> 01:41:20,760
Speaker 6: And maybe if one or two have to get left out,

2245
01:41:21,200 --> 01:41:23,400
Speaker 6: that just means the room's really packed. Like no one

2246
01:41:23,479 --> 01:41:26,720
Speaker 6: stands in line to get into a building where there's

2247
01:41:26,800 --> 01:41:29,320
Speaker 6: room for everyone. You stand in line because it's pretty

2248
01:41:29,360 --> 01:41:31,680
Speaker 6: exclusive and it means something to get in there.

2249
01:41:32,680 --> 01:41:35,240
Speaker 3: Do you think we have this issue? If it was

2250
01:41:35,320 --> 01:41:37,280
Speaker 3: we were back in time and it's a fourteen.

2251
01:41:36,960 --> 01:41:39,839
Speaker 6: Playoff, you always had the issue. It's just you wouldn't

2252
01:41:39,840 --> 01:41:42,599
Speaker 6: be arguing about twelve, thirteen, fourteen because you would know, man,

2253
01:41:42,640 --> 01:41:44,840
Speaker 6: they were way on the outside your logic. There is

2254
01:41:44,880 --> 01:41:47,120
Speaker 6: what I always think about when I'm getting upset, Like

2255
01:41:47,320 --> 01:41:50,080
Speaker 6: I'll get upset inevitably about someone getting left out of

2256
01:41:50,120 --> 01:41:52,439
Speaker 6: this thing. But I always try and tell myself, you

2257
01:41:52,640 --> 01:41:54,880
Speaker 6: just think back to the four team era. You're arguing

2258
01:41:54,960 --> 01:41:57,360
Speaker 6: about teams right now that would have been way way

2259
01:41:57,520 --> 01:42:00,280
Speaker 6: way outside the four team field. And even back then

2260
01:42:00,360 --> 01:42:02,120
Speaker 6: we used to say, dude, there aren't four teams that

2261
01:42:02,160 --> 01:42:04,599
Speaker 6: can win a title this year, just like this year

2262
01:42:04,680 --> 01:42:07,240
Speaker 6: there probably aren't six, seven, eight teams that are going

2263
01:42:07,320 --> 01:42:09,000
Speaker 6: to be able to win a title with how Ohio

2264
01:42:09,080 --> 01:42:12,920
Speaker 6: State looks. So we're really arguing semantics and you get

2265
01:42:13,000 --> 01:42:16,479
Speaker 6: sucked into it, like I feel good about Vandy. I

2266
01:42:16,600 --> 01:42:18,400
Speaker 6: love what they've done. I think it would be insane

2267
01:42:18,439 --> 01:42:20,240
Speaker 6: if Bama got left out because they're in the SEC

2268
01:42:20,400 --> 01:42:23,439
Speaker 6: championship game. You're crazy if you punish Ole Miss because

2269
01:42:23,479 --> 01:42:25,720
Speaker 6: they lost their coaching staff, which those players have no

2270
01:42:25,800 --> 01:42:28,519
Speaker 6: control over. Do I think any of them are going

2271
01:42:28,560 --> 01:42:30,840
Speaker 6: to win a national title? Probably not. And if that's

2272
01:42:30,880 --> 01:42:32,720
Speaker 6: the whole purpose of this thing, I know there are

2273
01:42:32,800 --> 01:42:35,600
Speaker 6: dual compartments. I understand two different conversations.

2274
01:42:37,240 --> 01:42:40,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is a this is why college football is

2275
01:42:40,360 --> 01:42:40,599
Speaker 3: the best.

2276
01:42:40,680 --> 01:42:42,519
Speaker 6: It's going to be a mess man. Yeah, there's no

2277
01:42:42,600 --> 01:42:43,120
Speaker 6: way around it.

2278
01:42:44,040 --> 01:42:45,000
Speaker 1: I love the chaos.

2279
01:42:45,160 --> 01:42:45,320
Speaker 2: Man.

2280
01:42:46,800 --> 01:42:49,720
Speaker 1: It's like, I just want the twelve best. Like we're

2281
01:42:49,720 --> 01:42:52,679
Speaker 1: sitting here waiting on some of these games to matter,

2282
01:42:52,720 --> 01:42:55,080
Speaker 1: and a couple of the championship games don't even matter

2283
01:42:55,160 --> 01:42:56,800
Speaker 1: this weekend, so you want to see how that's all

2284
01:42:56,840 --> 01:43:00,240
Speaker 1: going to play out. And we're this scenario where you

2285
01:43:00,280 --> 01:43:02,400
Speaker 1: got a couple of big twelve teams in, couple G

2286
01:43:02,600 --> 01:43:05,040
Speaker 1: five teams in Do you leave out Miami? Do you

2287
01:43:05,160 --> 01:43:08,920
Speaker 1: leave out Notre Dame. It's like they Miami Notre Dame

2288
01:43:09,000 --> 01:43:13,559
Speaker 1: are very strongly uh, one of the twelve best teams

2289
01:43:13,600 --> 01:43:18,120
Speaker 1: in college football? Yeah, yeah, yeah, same with Vanderbilt. You

2290
01:43:18,240 --> 01:43:21,040
Speaker 1: got this Texas noise being louder than ever. Now let

2291
01:43:21,040 --> 01:43:22,960
Speaker 1: me say that sometimes it weirdly makes sense.

2292
01:43:23,040 --> 01:43:25,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, they do a great job of like spinning out

2293
01:43:25,120 --> 01:43:26,360
Speaker 3: semantics are very good.

2294
01:43:26,800 --> 01:43:29,879
Speaker 6: Let me say this about Miami. Miami has put themselves

2295
01:43:29,880 --> 01:43:33,240
Speaker 6: in this position. Okay, so you can't be losing to

2296
01:43:33,400 --> 01:43:35,600
Speaker 6: Louisville and SMU. You can lose one of them, you

2297
01:43:35,680 --> 01:43:37,880
Speaker 6: can't lose both. So I'm not trying to absolve them

2298
01:43:37,920 --> 01:43:40,360
Speaker 6: of that. It's one their fault they're even in this position.

2299
01:43:41,120 --> 01:43:43,519
Speaker 6: But like I said, we got to apply that logic evenly.

2300
01:43:43,840 --> 01:43:46,479
Speaker 6: So Notre Dame lost a couple of games, including one

2301
01:43:46,600 --> 01:43:48,479
Speaker 6: at home to A and m off a buy in

2302
01:43:48,560 --> 01:43:51,839
Speaker 6: desperation mode. Don't be losing that game. So, like everyone

2303
01:43:51,960 --> 01:43:55,040
Speaker 6: has put themselves in these positions. Bama minus three turnovers

2304
01:43:55,040 --> 01:43:57,640
Speaker 6: against Oklahoma, that's why you're in this position. So if

2305
01:43:57,680 --> 01:44:01,719
Speaker 6: we remove that sentiment from the equation, I'm not picking

2306
01:44:01,760 --> 01:44:03,680
Speaker 6: Miami to win a national title even if they get

2307
01:44:03,760 --> 01:44:06,160
Speaker 6: in the playoff. But I will say if you were

2308
01:44:06,200 --> 01:44:10,000
Speaker 6: to ask Georgia or Ohio State or Indiana's coaching staff,

2309
01:44:10,720 --> 01:44:14,160
Speaker 6: the one group of personnel that would concern them the

2310
01:44:14,240 --> 01:44:18,559
Speaker 6: most are the defensive guys that Miami has because they

2311
01:44:18,640 --> 01:44:21,519
Speaker 6: probably have the two best ends in college football right now,

2312
01:44:22,000 --> 01:44:26,800
Speaker 6: extremely good, like long good future Sunday athletes that could

2313
01:44:26,840 --> 01:44:29,280
Speaker 6: give you problems. They're probably not going to win four

2314
01:44:29,360 --> 01:44:31,720
Speaker 6: games to go win at all, but they in a

2315
01:44:31,840 --> 01:44:34,720
Speaker 6: one off scenario could give you way more problems than

2316
01:44:34,800 --> 01:44:36,519
Speaker 6: probably some of these other teams that are going to

2317
01:44:36,560 --> 01:44:36,760
Speaker 6: get in.

2318
01:44:37,160 --> 01:44:37,400
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2319
01:44:38,840 --> 01:44:41,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, Chris Ball talking about it's like Jurassic Park every

2320
01:44:41,160 --> 01:44:42,360
Speaker 1: day at practice with those guys.

2321
01:44:43,600 --> 01:44:45,519
Speaker 6: He's not wrong, he's not wrong.

2322
01:44:46,200 --> 01:44:50,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, this whole G five thing, I don't get it.

2323
01:44:50,240 --> 01:44:53,280
Speaker 3: I don't understand it. I don't know why they would

2324
01:44:53,280 --> 01:44:55,839
Speaker 3: be allowed to be in just because they won their conference.

2325
01:44:56,240 --> 01:44:59,760
Speaker 1: It's like, what the rules and stuff? Yeah, several times

2326
01:45:00,080 --> 01:45:00,880
Speaker 1: the last few weeks.

2327
01:45:00,920 --> 01:45:02,479
Speaker 6: I'll tell you what I think the change is gonna be.

2328
01:45:03,400 --> 01:45:05,320
Speaker 6: I think the change that they could make right now

2329
01:45:05,960 --> 01:45:08,880
Speaker 6: that would greatly absolve this is keep all the rules

2330
01:45:08,960 --> 01:45:12,120
Speaker 6: as they are, but make the rule where your five

2331
01:45:12,280 --> 01:45:15,160
Speaker 6: highest ranked conference champs all have to be ranked at

2332
01:45:15,160 --> 01:45:18,080
Speaker 6: a certain level, like they all have to be top fifteen,

2333
01:45:18,800 --> 01:45:22,439
Speaker 6: so that if Duke wins Saturday, or North Texas wins

2334
01:45:22,800 --> 01:45:26,360
Speaker 6: or JMU wins, they're a conference champ. If they're not

2335
01:45:26,479 --> 01:45:29,599
Speaker 6: in the top fifteen at least, then we're just gonna

2336
01:45:29,640 --> 01:45:32,720
Speaker 6: override it and you're not getting it large. Yeah, it

2337
01:45:32,800 --> 01:45:33,880
Speaker 6: just comes in a large spot.

2338
01:45:34,400 --> 01:45:34,439
Speaker 2: No.

2339
01:45:34,560 --> 01:45:36,280
Speaker 6: I like that a lot because if you did that,

2340
01:45:36,920 --> 01:45:41,600
Speaker 6: let's say Duke wins Saturday, you're probably changing three spots. Right.

2341
01:45:41,680 --> 01:45:43,800
Speaker 6: Let's just say the G five gets to keep one spot,

2342
01:45:44,320 --> 01:45:46,160
Speaker 6: so you're gonna have one G five in, but you

2343
01:45:46,240 --> 01:45:49,320
Speaker 6: would free up two other spots that right now are

2344
01:45:49,360 --> 01:45:52,040
Speaker 6: gonna be held by G five and whoever else makes

2345
01:45:52,120 --> 01:45:54,920
Speaker 6: that so or at least one other spot. So yeah,

2346
01:45:55,000 --> 01:45:58,679
Speaker 6: I think they will move pretty immediately. They can't rid

2347
01:45:58,840 --> 01:46:01,559
Speaker 6: the playoff of G five because it's illegal, so they

2348
01:46:01,600 --> 01:46:04,000
Speaker 6: can't do that. What they can do is keep the

2349
01:46:04,080 --> 01:46:06,840
Speaker 6: G five with one spot and make sure in the

2350
01:46:06,920 --> 01:46:09,200
Speaker 6: future the GFI is not getting more than one spot,

2351
01:46:09,240 --> 01:46:10,320
Speaker 6: because everyone knows it's.

2352
01:46:10,200 --> 01:46:13,920
Speaker 3: A farce, right, if there's two spots open, who are you,

2353
01:46:14,160 --> 01:46:19,400
Speaker 3: Josh pay giving the nod to at largest? Yeah. If

2354
01:46:19,439 --> 01:46:22,040
Speaker 3: we said, hey, the G five that doesn't exist anymore.

2355
01:46:22,160 --> 01:46:24,639
Speaker 3: Duke beats Virginia, so ACC is kind of out.

2356
01:46:25,800 --> 01:46:30,080
Speaker 6: Probably Miami and Vanderbilt would the would be the two,

2357
01:46:30,240 --> 01:46:32,439
Speaker 6: but then Texas would come in and say if we're

2358
01:46:32,479 --> 01:46:35,040
Speaker 6: even in that conversation, we belong in over Vandy because

2359
01:46:35,080 --> 01:46:37,519
Speaker 6: we beat them, right, so I'd be I'd be okay

2360
01:46:37,640 --> 01:46:39,720
Speaker 6: with that's.

2361
01:46:39,040 --> 01:46:42,360
Speaker 1: Crazy to Texas. Three loss, but they did beat Vanderbilt yep.

2362
01:46:42,520 --> 01:46:45,000
Speaker 3: Three top ten teams, right, Yeah.

2363
01:46:47,520 --> 01:46:48,400
Speaker 6: Well sure did.

2364
01:46:49,880 --> 01:46:50,320
Speaker 1: Took care.

2365
01:46:50,400 --> 01:46:53,439
Speaker 3: O you took care O you, and O you to

2366
01:46:53,560 --> 01:46:56,080
Speaker 3: me is one of the more unstable teams in this

2367
01:46:56,160 --> 01:46:58,439
Speaker 3: whole bracket. Like their defense is really good, but they

2368
01:46:58,439 --> 01:46:59,839
Speaker 3: don't really do a whole lot on offense.

2369
01:47:01,200 --> 01:47:04,120
Speaker 1: But their schedule against anybody else, like they've taken care

2370
01:47:04,160 --> 01:47:06,240
Speaker 1: of business they needed to to where they're a two

2371
01:47:06,320 --> 01:47:10,519
Speaker 1: loss team, but it's like they yeah, yep, like they're in.

2372
01:47:11,439 --> 01:47:14,320
Speaker 1: What do you do if BYU loses by a game

2373
01:47:14,400 --> 01:47:15,559
Speaker 1: winning field goal against Texas?

2374
01:47:15,600 --> 01:47:17,200
Speaker 6: Deck you got to see where they're ranked tomorrow night.

2375
01:47:17,439 --> 01:47:19,519
Speaker 6: If they're not in the top ten, they're not going

2376
01:47:19,600 --> 01:47:21,280
Speaker 6: to be in. So they got to be in the

2377
01:47:21,320 --> 01:47:23,400
Speaker 6: top ten. It's the same thing with Bama, only I

2378
01:47:23,479 --> 01:47:26,080
Speaker 6: think BYU is even more vulnerable to getting bumped out

2379
01:47:26,080 --> 01:47:27,559
Speaker 6: because they're in an inferior conference.

2380
01:47:27,760 --> 01:47:31,240
Speaker 1: Absolutely. I guess my argument is like like for BYU

2381
01:47:31,439 --> 01:47:33,679
Speaker 1: is like when you're looking at all these all this chaos,

2382
01:47:33,800 --> 01:47:36,479
Speaker 1: all the semantics, BYU would have only lost their only

2383
01:47:36,560 --> 01:47:39,519
Speaker 1: team that they've lost to is Texas Tech. Yeah, and

2384
01:47:39,600 --> 01:47:41,400
Speaker 1: if they're losing on a game winning field goal in

2385
01:47:41,479 --> 01:47:44,400
Speaker 1: the Big Twelve Championship and that one team you beat him, Yes,

2386
01:47:44,439 --> 01:47:46,519
Speaker 1: they have two losses, but they've only lost to one team,

2387
01:47:46,920 --> 01:47:48,880
Speaker 1: that one team who beat them. That's what gets them out.

2388
01:47:49,120 --> 01:47:51,599
Speaker 1: Whereas if if both if the game winning field goal

2389
01:47:51,680 --> 01:47:54,160
Speaker 1: for Texas Tech happens, and say Bama loses in their

2390
01:47:54,280 --> 01:47:56,800
Speaker 1: three loss team but you can't keep you can't keep

2391
01:47:56,880 --> 01:48:00,800
Speaker 1: Alabama out, but you you bump out bye. Like again,

2392
01:48:01,280 --> 01:48:03,000
Speaker 1: I'm here for the ride. I think you're gonna have

2393
01:48:03,120 --> 01:48:05,840
Speaker 1: popcorns in there. I love all the chaos. I love

2394
01:48:05,920 --> 01:48:07,640
Speaker 1: rooting for all these teams in a weird way, but

2395
01:48:07,760 --> 01:48:10,599
Speaker 1: also shitting on teams in a weird way. I love

2396
01:48:10,680 --> 01:48:11,680
Speaker 1: all the entertainment. You know.

2397
01:48:11,760 --> 01:48:14,880
Speaker 6: The other thing is with the SEC is I think

2398
01:48:14,920 --> 01:48:17,120
Speaker 6: it's a low key, really good thing for Bama that

2399
01:48:17,240 --> 01:48:20,000
Speaker 6: Georgia got in the SEC title game, because even if

2400
01:48:20,040 --> 01:48:22,160
Speaker 6: you lose to them, you get to make the argument

2401
01:48:22,760 --> 01:48:25,040
Speaker 6: we went into their building and beat them earlier in

2402
01:48:25,080 --> 01:48:28,080
Speaker 6: the year, so you're telling us we're getting bumped out

2403
01:48:28,080 --> 01:48:30,560
Speaker 6: because we couldn't beat Georgia. No, we already did, and

2404
01:48:30,640 --> 01:48:32,680
Speaker 6: we beat them in their building early in the year,

2405
01:48:33,080 --> 01:48:35,760
Speaker 6: and then we got penalized because we earned the right

2406
01:48:36,040 --> 01:48:38,240
Speaker 6: to play them again and we couldn't beat them a

2407
01:48:38,280 --> 01:48:41,120
Speaker 6: second time around. Like, I don't need to make the

2408
01:48:41,160 --> 01:48:43,400
Speaker 6: talking points for the SEC because they're pretty obvious in

2409
01:48:43,479 --> 01:48:46,720
Speaker 6: that scenario. But with Brigham Young just watched the show

2410
01:48:46,760 --> 01:48:49,960
Speaker 6: tomorrow night. And if they're behind Alabama already, which I

2411
01:48:49,960 --> 01:48:51,880
Speaker 6: think they will be, if you get that apples to

2412
01:48:51,920 --> 01:48:56,160
Speaker 6: apples comparison, they'll have no leverage over Alabama. Yeah, yeah,

2413
01:48:56,160 --> 01:48:57,880
Speaker 6: they won't. I don't think they'll be in Yeah.

2414
01:49:00,000 --> 01:49:02,080
Speaker 1: Shall it be fun? Should we dive into some some

2415
01:49:02,240 --> 01:49:02,799
Speaker 1: Lane Kiffin?

2416
01:49:03,240 --> 01:49:04,639
Speaker 6: Who, buddy, some Lane Kiffin.

2417
01:49:04,920 --> 01:49:07,080
Speaker 1: Something happened, buddy?

2418
01:49:09,280 --> 01:49:12,400
Speaker 3: Where do we stand on this whole thing? There's a

2419
01:49:12,400 --> 01:49:15,240
Speaker 3: PC feels bad for the players. Yeah, I understand why

2420
01:49:15,360 --> 01:49:18,120
Speaker 3: Keith Carter will I completely understand why Keith Carter won't

2421
01:49:18,160 --> 01:49:20,679
Speaker 3: let Lane coach. Yeah, that like makes too much sense.

2422
01:49:20,680 --> 01:49:22,719
Speaker 3: At the same time, it's like, but these kids probably

2423
01:49:22,760 --> 01:49:24,960
Speaker 3: want a real shot at going after a title, so

2424
01:49:25,040 --> 01:49:26,960
Speaker 3: they would probably lean towards Hey, we want Lane to

2425
01:49:27,000 --> 01:49:28,479
Speaker 3: coach us even though he's gonna poach us.

2426
01:49:28,640 --> 01:49:30,880
Speaker 6: H all right, can you read this right quick? Can

2427
01:49:30,960 --> 01:49:33,240
Speaker 6: we just bat this down right quick? So read that

2428
01:49:33,360 --> 01:49:33,600
Speaker 6: for me?

2429
01:49:33,720 --> 01:49:36,360
Speaker 1: Okay, we got some tear talk right here from Washington's tate.

2430
01:49:36,479 --> 01:49:38,960
Speaker 1: The Washington State. Hard to complain about a kid's loyalty

2431
01:49:39,000 --> 01:49:41,280
Speaker 1: and the transfer portal when the coaches they look up

2432
01:49:41,320 --> 01:49:42,080
Speaker 1: to are even worse.

2433
01:49:42,120 --> 01:49:44,080
Speaker 6: All right, There is a lot of truth on the

2434
01:49:44,160 --> 01:49:47,880
Speaker 6: surface to this, because coaches are looking around constantly. I mean,

2435
01:49:47,960 --> 01:49:51,560
Speaker 6: coaches are demanding loyalty and yet they jump at the

2436
01:49:51,640 --> 01:49:55,560
Speaker 6: first opportunity they get. I that part is accurate. A

2437
01:49:55,640 --> 01:49:59,400
Speaker 6: lot of people have been saying, the players are you know,

2438
01:49:59,640 --> 01:50:01,559
Speaker 6: like I was dealing with this this morning on another show,

2439
01:50:01,720 --> 01:50:04,040
Speaker 6: someone said, Man, the players don't need to open their

2440
01:50:04,080 --> 01:50:06,639
Speaker 6: mouths on this. They're a little hypocritical because the players

2441
01:50:06,680 --> 01:50:08,920
Speaker 6: are always moving around. So how can those players at

2442
01:50:08,960 --> 01:50:13,000
Speaker 6: all miss theoretically complain about Lane Kiffin leaving. Well, the

2443
01:50:13,040 --> 01:50:15,240
Speaker 6: players don't leave in the middle of the season. The

2444
01:50:15,280 --> 01:50:18,000
Speaker 6: players don't get to the playoff and then say I'm out,

2445
01:50:18,520 --> 01:50:20,879
Speaker 6: And so this is a little bit apples to oranges

2446
01:50:20,960 --> 01:50:22,799
Speaker 6: on that front. All right, So there are two sides

2447
01:50:22,880 --> 01:50:25,960
Speaker 6: to that question that he just asked. But then the

2448
01:50:26,040 --> 01:50:28,559
Speaker 6: follow up to that is, even if the players were

2449
01:50:28,600 --> 01:50:30,960
Speaker 6: able to leave in the middle of the season, or

2450
01:50:31,320 --> 01:50:33,439
Speaker 6: the players are able to leave and go as many

2451
01:50:33,479 --> 01:50:35,720
Speaker 6: places as that they want to right now, it's just

2452
01:50:35,960 --> 01:50:38,360
Speaker 6: like Lane Kiffin having to take this job right now.

2453
01:50:38,520 --> 01:50:40,680
Speaker 6: It's just like coaching searches having to happen in the

2454
01:50:40,720 --> 01:50:42,360
Speaker 6: middle of the season. It all gets tied back to

2455
01:50:42,400 --> 01:50:44,880
Speaker 6: the same thing that you have no discernible structure in

2456
01:50:44,920 --> 01:50:48,960
Speaker 6: the sport. So the players didn't write the rules, Lane Kiffin,

2457
01:50:49,160 --> 01:50:51,960
Speaker 6: the ad at Old Miss, the ad at LSU, they

2458
01:50:51,960 --> 01:50:54,240
Speaker 6: didn't write the rules. They didn't make the calendar, so

2459
01:50:54,720 --> 01:50:57,000
Speaker 6: you don't have to carry water for these people. Lane

2460
01:50:57,000 --> 01:50:59,200
Speaker 6: could have handled this a whole lot better, But it's

2461
01:50:59,280 --> 01:51:03,280
Speaker 6: not running in appearance for any one person to generically say, dude,

2462
01:51:03,280 --> 01:51:06,120
Speaker 6: how about we fix the calendar here to where this

2463
01:51:06,240 --> 01:51:09,800
Speaker 6: doesn't have to happen. Like I highly doubt Lane Kiffin

2464
01:51:09,880 --> 01:51:11,280
Speaker 6: woke up one morning and said, you know what I

2465
01:51:11,360 --> 01:51:13,439
Speaker 6: want in the middle of this playoff run, this historic

2466
01:51:13,520 --> 01:51:15,680
Speaker 6: season at ole Miss, I'd love to leave in the

2467
01:51:15,720 --> 01:51:17,519
Speaker 6: middle of it and take a new job, right I

2468
01:51:17,680 --> 01:51:18,519
Speaker 6: doubt that happened.

2469
01:51:19,000 --> 01:51:23,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think. I think we're just the biggest

2470
01:51:23,360 --> 01:51:25,479
Speaker 3: issue is the calendar. That's the biggest problem.

2471
01:51:26,320 --> 01:51:29,519
Speaker 1: But people are aware of People are aware of that now, Yeah,

2472
01:51:29,600 --> 01:51:30,400
Speaker 1: people were aware.

2473
01:51:30,439 --> 01:51:31,280
Speaker 6: It weren't finally.

2474
01:51:32,000 --> 01:51:33,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like we on the macro. It is like

2475
01:51:34,240 --> 01:51:36,479
Speaker 1: it's the coaching calendar. Like Lamee was put in a

2476
01:51:36,600 --> 01:51:39,640
Speaker 1: very tough spot and guys like us, it's like you

2477
01:51:39,680 --> 01:51:42,360
Speaker 1: could sit here and be torn. I know for me personally,

2478
01:51:42,360 --> 01:51:44,960
Speaker 1: it's like you're torn on how you feel because now

2479
01:51:45,040 --> 01:51:48,439
Speaker 1: as a fan as what we do, the entertainment aspect,

2480
01:51:48,520 --> 01:51:51,000
Speaker 1: the TV series that goes on with Lane Kiff and

2481
01:51:51,040 --> 01:51:52,960
Speaker 1: you love diving. In all that, I think it's it's

2482
01:51:53,000 --> 01:51:55,720
Speaker 1: great for college football. But the other side, having been

2483
01:51:56,000 --> 01:51:58,360
Speaker 1: been a player, I'm sitting there thinking, like, man if

2484
01:51:58,439 --> 01:52:01,240
Speaker 1: Paulini or something, this would have happened in the middle

2485
01:52:01,280 --> 01:52:04,360
Speaker 1: of my senior year or not. Not, Like thinking the

2486
01:52:04,439 --> 01:52:06,840
Speaker 1: guys that we had and it happens during our senior year,

2487
01:52:06,920 --> 01:52:08,760
Speaker 1: during our run, we're going to the playoff. We're sitting

2488
01:52:08,760 --> 01:52:12,040
Speaker 1: there at eleven and one. I would be gutted, right,

2489
01:52:12,160 --> 01:52:13,920
Speaker 1: I would be gutted as a player, Like think of

2490
01:52:14,040 --> 01:52:19,320
Speaker 1: a what's the quarterbacks name Childress or Trinidad, Yeah, Trinidad.

2491
01:52:19,360 --> 01:52:22,320
Speaker 1: It's like him knowing his offensive staff is gone in

2492
01:52:22,400 --> 01:52:24,880
Speaker 1: the middle of what Ole Miss has done this year,

2493
01:52:24,960 --> 01:52:27,479
Speaker 1: all those offensive players, because really it's the offensive side that's.

2494
01:52:27,280 --> 01:52:30,479
Speaker 3: Been gutted after being a D two cat comes and transfer, Yeah,

2495
01:52:30,640 --> 01:52:32,599
Speaker 3: was a backup, and then takes over and keeps them

2496
01:52:32,600 --> 01:52:33,120
Speaker 3: in the historian.

2497
01:52:33,200 --> 01:52:35,680
Speaker 1: It's all short it's it's all short term vision for

2498
01:52:35,760 --> 01:52:37,519
Speaker 1: those guys right now that are trying to finish up

2499
01:52:37,520 --> 01:52:39,800
Speaker 1: a season that they started, that they earned. Been in

2500
01:52:39,840 --> 01:52:43,160
Speaker 1: all these conversations. So that's where I sit there and

2501
01:52:43,200 --> 01:52:46,400
Speaker 1: get torn because it's like, I hate it for those players.

2502
01:52:46,560 --> 01:52:47,280
Speaker 3: I hate it for the.

2503
01:52:47,280 --> 01:52:49,840
Speaker 1: Players because I'm just thinking of that situation had it

2504
01:52:49,920 --> 01:52:53,120
Speaker 1: been with myself at Nebraska, and you're just like, it

2505
01:52:53,320 --> 01:52:55,080
Speaker 1: sucks that it has to be that way. If you

2506
01:52:55,120 --> 01:52:56,519
Speaker 1: pull yourself all the way out of it and look

2507
01:52:56,520 --> 01:52:58,719
Speaker 1: at it from thirty thousand feet, it's all the calendar

2508
01:52:58,800 --> 01:53:01,560
Speaker 1: like they're putting these tough spots, but then you zoom in.

2509
01:53:01,600 --> 01:53:03,840
Speaker 1: You want to get the popcorn. Popcorn ready for this

2510
01:53:03,960 --> 01:53:06,840
Speaker 1: Gossip Girl series with Lane Giffen, he did handle a

2511
01:53:06,960 --> 01:53:10,160
Speaker 1: tough situation very poorly, And now I see why Old

2512
01:53:10,200 --> 01:53:13,479
Speaker 1: Miss fans are pissed. It's like, I'm excited for him

2513
01:53:13,520 --> 01:53:15,200
Speaker 1: to go to LSU because I think he's gonna be

2514
01:53:15,240 --> 01:53:18,439
Speaker 1: good at LSU. All just all the drama. I love

2515
01:53:18,479 --> 01:53:21,160
Speaker 1: all the drama. I see every side. It sucks and

2516
01:53:21,840 --> 01:53:22,599
Speaker 1: he's at LSU.

2517
01:53:22,680 --> 01:53:26,000
Speaker 3: Now I'm not disagreeing, But what did Lane Kiffin do

2518
01:53:26,080 --> 01:53:28,639
Speaker 3: to handle this poorly other than the calendar just made

2519
01:53:28,720 --> 01:53:29,400
Speaker 3: him make a decision.

2520
01:53:29,479 --> 01:53:33,280
Speaker 1: Now, just leave it the hard strings of everybody.

2521
01:53:35,760 --> 01:53:37,000
Speaker 3: Lane in general, though, that is.

2522
01:53:38,600 --> 01:53:42,439
Speaker 1: That doesn't justify how everybody else should subjectively look at him.

2523
01:53:42,439 --> 01:53:44,479
Speaker 1: It's like, oh that's Lane. It's like, no bro like you.

2524
01:53:45,320 --> 01:53:48,160
Speaker 1: It's the middle of the night and he's dropping a

2525
01:53:48,280 --> 01:53:52,280
Speaker 1: tweet through his dog's Twitter account's Ole Miss and Georgia

2526
01:53:52,680 --> 01:53:54,000
Speaker 1: and being like, I just want to know they're going

2527
01:53:54,080 --> 01:53:55,880
Speaker 1: to allow dogs here. And this is in the middle

2528
01:53:55,880 --> 01:53:59,479
Speaker 1: of when Marty Smith is dying, he's getting weaker and older,

2529
01:53:59,840 --> 01:54:01,400
Speaker 1: just just wanting to know if there's a decision going

2530
01:54:01,439 --> 01:54:03,519
Speaker 1: to be made because they're all everybody's sitting in that

2531
01:54:03,560 --> 01:54:05,160
Speaker 1: house trying to figure everything out. And then a dog

2532
01:54:05,240 --> 01:54:05,920
Speaker 1: tweet goes out.

2533
01:54:06,479 --> 01:54:09,559
Speaker 6: That was a hostage situation over there, hostage. Army Smith

2534
01:54:09,680 --> 01:54:12,439
Speaker 6: survived this. He didn't cover it. He survived this.

2535
01:54:12,880 --> 01:54:13,920
Speaker 1: But you know what you just said.

2536
01:54:13,960 --> 01:54:17,040
Speaker 6: You just said a point and then another point and

2537
01:54:17,160 --> 01:54:20,000
Speaker 6: another point, and you offered like thirty seven perspectives. The

2538
01:54:20,080 --> 01:54:22,920
Speaker 6: crazy thing about this is have you heard anyone offer

2539
01:54:23,640 --> 01:54:25,880
Speaker 6: another slant on this that you've heard and said? Man,

2540
01:54:25,920 --> 01:54:29,880
Speaker 6: I totally disagree with that. I've agreed with what everyone

2541
01:54:29,920 --> 01:54:31,840
Speaker 6: has said because there's so many different angles on it.

2542
01:54:31,880 --> 01:54:34,000
Speaker 6: I'll give you one more. Be an old miss fan,

2543
01:54:34,120 --> 01:54:36,840
Speaker 6: be an old miss donor right now, but rewind six years.

2544
01:54:37,280 --> 01:54:40,200
Speaker 6: Lane Kiffin is down in Boca. He is the head

2545
01:54:40,240 --> 01:54:44,360
Speaker 6: coach at FAU. He is toxic, he is radioactive. Nick

2546
01:54:44,400 --> 01:54:46,600
Speaker 6: Saban is a few years removed from firing him the

2547
01:54:46,640 --> 01:54:49,040
Speaker 6: week of a national championship game to get him out

2548
01:54:49,040 --> 01:54:51,600
Speaker 6: of his building. No one will touch him, and he's

2549
01:54:51,720 --> 01:54:53,880
Speaker 6: just dying for a job. He's dying for a shot.

2550
01:54:54,320 --> 01:54:56,560
Speaker 6: And Ole Miss is the one major program in the

2551
01:54:56,680 --> 01:54:58,840
Speaker 6: SEC that's willing to give him a shot when no

2552
01:54:58,920 --> 01:55:01,480
Speaker 6: one would touch him. Not only that, he comes there,

2553
01:55:01,600 --> 01:55:04,680
Speaker 6: he starts to win. He tries to get out once

2554
01:55:04,880 --> 01:55:08,960
Speaker 6: or twice, and teams still won't touch him. And then

2555
01:55:09,240 --> 01:55:11,840
Speaker 6: he kind of toys with Auburn buddy reverses course of

2556
01:55:11,880 --> 01:55:14,480
Speaker 6: the eleventh hour. But finally you get to the point

2557
01:55:14,760 --> 01:55:17,800
Speaker 6: six years later where we've got a shot, both of us, Like,

2558
01:55:18,000 --> 01:55:20,320
Speaker 6: we've paid you, you've returned it to us in kind,

2559
01:55:20,480 --> 01:55:22,760
Speaker 6: but we got a shot to do something historic, and

2560
01:55:22,960 --> 01:55:25,680
Speaker 6: we gave you your opportunity. Ls you would never touch you.

2561
01:55:25,960 --> 01:55:29,080
Speaker 6: They laughed at us for hiring you, so did Florida,

2562
01:55:29,160 --> 01:55:33,800
Speaker 6: and now they waited and you rehabilitated your image on

2563
01:55:33,920 --> 01:55:36,680
Speaker 6: our dime, and you're telling us that when we finally

2564
01:55:36,760 --> 01:55:39,640
Speaker 6: got here, we're getting the payoff finally for giving you

2565
01:55:39,800 --> 01:55:42,200
Speaker 6: your shot. We gave you all this money, We said

2566
01:55:42,280 --> 01:55:44,720
Speaker 6: yes to everything. We let your dog have his own

2567
01:55:44,720 --> 01:55:46,800
Speaker 6: a Twitter account, like we did everything you wanted us to.

2568
01:55:47,600 --> 01:55:50,920
Speaker 6: You're you're just by. You're you're going to do an

2569
01:55:50,920 --> 01:55:53,600
Speaker 6: interview with Marty Smith on a tarmac, same place you

2570
01:55:53,720 --> 01:55:56,040
Speaker 6: got fired at USC You're going to interview on a

2571
01:55:56,080 --> 01:55:58,879
Speaker 6: tarmac and you're out of here. And who could disagree

2572
01:55:58,920 --> 01:56:02,040
Speaker 6: with that? So all the points of view I've heard

2573
01:56:02,160 --> 01:56:04,120
Speaker 6: I agree with, I haven't heard anyone say anything where

2574
01:56:04,120 --> 01:56:05,680
Speaker 6: I'm like, I don't think that's true. Yeah, I don't

2575
01:56:05,680 --> 01:56:06,240
Speaker 6: think that's legit.

2576
01:56:06,400 --> 01:56:09,280
Speaker 3: If you're a donor for ole Miss and you are

2577
01:56:09,360 --> 01:56:12,360
Speaker 3: the ad for ole Miss, and we could reverse six

2578
01:56:12,520 --> 01:56:14,720
Speaker 3: years ago, however how long it's been, and they would

2579
01:56:14,760 --> 01:56:17,040
Speaker 3: tell you, hey, lank Iff and he's gonna go fifty

2580
01:56:17,080 --> 01:56:18,680
Speaker 3: five and nineteen for you. He's gonna have the most

2581
01:56:18,760 --> 01:56:21,800
Speaker 3: historic season in ole Miss history. But then he's gonna

2582
01:56:21,800 --> 01:56:23,520
Speaker 3: burn the shit out of you and he's gonna leave.

2583
01:56:24,120 --> 01:56:29,040
Speaker 3: Would the ad and those boosters would they sign up

2584
01:56:29,040 --> 01:56:29,200
Speaker 3: for that?

2585
01:56:29,440 --> 01:56:32,080
Speaker 6: I think if they knew this was how the program

2586
01:56:32,240 --> 01:56:35,040
Speaker 6: was going to be left, I think probably they would

2587
01:56:35,040 --> 01:56:35,760
Speaker 6: still go on the ride.

2588
01:56:35,840 --> 01:56:35,960
Speaker 1: Right.

2589
01:56:36,000 --> 01:56:38,200
Speaker 6: They've made a lot of money there. They have enhanced

2590
01:56:38,240 --> 01:56:39,320
Speaker 6: the image of ole Miss football.

2591
01:56:39,400 --> 01:56:41,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you look at ole Miss, you don't look

2592
01:56:41,240 --> 01:56:43,360
Speaker 3: at him as like a stepping stone place anymore, even

2593
01:56:43,360 --> 01:56:45,040
Speaker 3: though lank Iven just showed them that they're the most

2594
01:56:45,080 --> 01:56:46,320
Speaker 3: stepping stone place of all time.

2595
01:56:46,480 --> 01:56:46,760
Speaker 6: Accord.

2596
01:56:46,880 --> 01:56:49,160
Speaker 3: But if you go back in time and you looked

2597
01:56:49,160 --> 01:56:50,680
Speaker 3: at every one of them and said, you're gonna have

2598
01:56:50,760 --> 01:56:52,560
Speaker 3: these next six years, this is how it's gonna go

2599
01:56:52,640 --> 01:56:54,720
Speaker 3: for you. You're gonna be in the playoff, You're gonna

2600
01:56:54,760 --> 01:56:57,040
Speaker 3: have the best season ever in ole Miss history. But

2601
01:56:57,200 --> 01:56:59,040
Speaker 3: after that, the head coach, right before the playoff, he's

2602
01:56:59,040 --> 01:57:01,640
Speaker 3: gonna fuck you guys. They'd probably all sit there first second,

2603
01:57:01,680 --> 01:57:03,400
Speaker 3: take a deep breath like you are right now, and

2604
01:57:03,520 --> 01:57:06,360
Speaker 3: go bring it. Yeah, you know what, We'll take it

2605
01:57:06,400 --> 01:57:09,600
Speaker 3: because where Ole miss was six years ago, it was

2606
01:57:09,600 --> 01:57:10,120
Speaker 3: a shit show.

2607
01:57:10,200 --> 01:57:10,360
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2608
01:57:10,520 --> 01:57:13,000
Speaker 3: It was in the conversations with the Kentucky's and the

2609
01:57:13,000 --> 01:57:16,320
Speaker 3: Mississippi states, in the Vanderbilts, like they're in that tier.

2610
01:57:16,920 --> 01:57:19,600
Speaker 3: And now you're in an upper tiered conference or a

2611
01:57:19,640 --> 01:57:23,280
Speaker 3: upper tier program. Yeah, so the yeah, any way you

2612
01:57:23,320 --> 01:57:24,680
Speaker 3: look at it, you kind of sit there and nod

2613
01:57:24,720 --> 01:57:26,080
Speaker 3: your head and go, yeah, I see that. Because when

2614
01:57:26,120 --> 01:57:28,000
Speaker 3: you're talking about being a player and I'm thinking about

2615
01:57:28,040 --> 01:57:30,680
Speaker 3: if I'm a senior and I've given my entire life

2616
01:57:30,760 --> 01:57:33,600
Speaker 3: to this program and that's how it's left me. He

2617
01:57:33,680 --> 01:57:36,080
Speaker 3: almost makes you want to cry because you're like, holy shit,

2618
01:57:36,080 --> 01:57:38,400
Speaker 3: because you imagine those seniors feel, and they're probably in

2619
01:57:38,400 --> 01:57:40,080
Speaker 3: the moment right now they're like, hey, fuck them, we

2620
01:57:40,200 --> 01:57:42,640
Speaker 3: don't need them. We'll go win this thing. They're gonna

2621
01:57:42,640 --> 01:57:45,320
Speaker 3: have the Cinderella story that everyone's looking for and the

2622
01:57:45,400 --> 01:57:48,160
Speaker 3: reality is probably not, so they're like kind of masking

2623
01:57:48,240 --> 01:57:50,560
Speaker 3: that pain only to get like six months from now

2624
01:57:50,600 --> 01:57:53,080
Speaker 3: to be like he really did just leave us in't me?

2625
01:57:53,280 --> 01:57:54,520
Speaker 3: After he told us all these things?

2626
01:57:54,760 --> 01:57:58,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you think he handled it well? I think

2627
01:57:59,560 --> 01:58:02,360
Speaker 1: because now to mention everything you didn't know even the

2628
01:58:02,840 --> 01:58:05,800
Speaker 1: documentary had this year, You're like that was making his

2629
01:58:05,960 --> 01:58:09,000
Speaker 1: image of being where your feet are, enjoying the moment.

2630
01:58:09,120 --> 01:58:14,280
Speaker 1: It's not about money where I need to be, you know,

2631
01:58:15,520 --> 01:58:17,600
Speaker 1: just rip it out and then you it's like, you know,

2632
01:58:17,640 --> 01:58:20,560
Speaker 1: I had conversations with God, my family and this is where,

2633
01:58:20,680 --> 01:58:22,840
Speaker 1: this is where because even Marty s and what is

2634
01:58:23,080 --> 01:58:24,800
Speaker 1: what is L s U offer that Old miss us

2635
01:58:25,360 --> 01:58:27,680
Speaker 1: He's just like, you know, I was praying on it

2636
01:58:27,720 --> 01:58:29,240
Speaker 1: and made a decision with my family.

2637
01:58:29,480 --> 01:58:32,400
Speaker 6: Maybe it'll work out. Maybe yeah, yeah.

2638
01:58:33,720 --> 01:58:38,240
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, I didn't know about the dog tweet. I

2639
01:58:38,320 --> 01:58:42,000
Speaker 3: didn't know about that. I think taking away like the

2640
01:58:42,080 --> 01:58:44,640
Speaker 3: trolling on Twitter, which it's hard to take that away,

2641
01:58:44,680 --> 01:58:47,240
Speaker 3: but just the position that Lane is put in. I

2642
01:58:47,320 --> 01:58:50,280
Speaker 3: can have empathy for the thought process of like, no

2643
01:58:50,440 --> 01:58:52,600
Speaker 3: way you handle this correctly because if you go, if

2644
01:58:52,600 --> 01:58:54,520
Speaker 3: you stay at Old Miss, you're here at Old Miss.

2645
01:58:54,880 --> 01:58:57,400
Speaker 3: But you just juggle along L. S U Auburn for

2646
01:58:57,760 --> 01:59:00,160
Speaker 3: a little bit in Florida up until last week, and

2647
01:59:00,280 --> 01:59:02,160
Speaker 3: now they're way behind the eight ball off who their

2648
01:59:02,240 --> 01:59:05,800
Speaker 3: coach is going to be, who are their recruiting class, transferportal,

2649
01:59:05,840 --> 01:59:08,680
Speaker 3: the whole thing. So you've kind of fucked three programs then.

2650
01:59:08,760 --> 01:59:11,480
Speaker 6: Okay, but let me hit you with this is John

2651
01:59:11,560 --> 01:59:15,080
Speaker 6: Somerral not the exact same situation. John Somerral head coach

2652
01:59:15,080 --> 01:59:17,720
Speaker 6: at Tulane. All year, They've been on a magical run

2653
01:59:17,800 --> 01:59:20,560
Speaker 6: this year. They are one went away from punching their

2654
01:59:20,600 --> 01:59:23,560
Speaker 6: ticket to the playoff. John Sumrral has been interviewed by

2655
01:59:24,280 --> 01:59:27,760
Speaker 6: several programs over the last month for their head coaching vacancy.

2656
01:59:28,120 --> 01:59:31,520
Speaker 6: John Somemrral just took the Florida job. John Sumral handled

2657
01:59:31,560 --> 01:59:34,360
Speaker 6: it professionally the entire way. He didn't talk about anything

2658
01:59:34,400 --> 01:59:36,840
Speaker 6: other than TWU lane football the entire way. He was

2659
01:59:36,920 --> 01:59:39,560
Speaker 6: communicative with his ad the entire way, which Lane was too,

2660
01:59:39,640 --> 01:59:42,200
Speaker 6: So I'm not knocking him for that. But John Sumral

2661
01:59:42,360 --> 01:59:46,000
Speaker 6: is in a conference championship this Saturday and is also

2662
01:59:46,120 --> 01:59:48,600
Speaker 6: being introduced as the Florida head coach today and no

2663
01:59:48,680 --> 01:59:51,400
Speaker 6: one's hating on John Sumral. So is it really just, oh,

2664
01:59:51,440 --> 01:59:53,880
Speaker 6: everyone hates Lane Kiffin because you know, he's the whale

2665
01:59:53,920 --> 01:59:56,600
Speaker 6: in the room to a certain extent. Yes, Lane's much

2666
01:59:56,640 --> 01:59:59,320
Speaker 6: bigger name than John Sumral, but it's also I think

2667
01:59:59,360 --> 02:00:01,800
Speaker 6: people have respect for the way John handled the process

2668
02:00:02,200 --> 02:00:04,320
Speaker 6: a whole lot more than the way Lane handled the process.

2669
02:00:04,480 --> 02:00:06,280
Speaker 6: And so like I got a bunch of LSU buddies,

2670
02:00:06,280 --> 02:00:08,680
Speaker 6: they're the same boy. It's really hypocritical. Everyone's hating on

2671
02:00:08,800 --> 02:00:11,680
Speaker 6: our guy. What about some Rall, what about some raw.

2672
02:00:11,720 --> 02:00:13,520
Speaker 6: I just think he handled the whole process a whole

2673
02:00:13,520 --> 02:00:14,040
Speaker 6: lot differently.

2674
02:00:14,360 --> 02:00:17,240
Speaker 3: I think so you you mentioned it not being the

2675
02:00:17,280 --> 02:00:19,360
Speaker 3: whale in the room. Some row is not the whaling room.

2676
02:00:19,440 --> 02:00:21,640
Speaker 3: Some Roll was a guy. If we don't get Lane,

2677
02:00:21,680 --> 02:00:23,840
Speaker 3: then we get Somemmer, all right, And so it's much

2678
02:00:23,880 --> 02:00:25,800
Speaker 3: easier for some Roll to sit in the position he is.

2679
02:00:26,240 --> 02:00:28,560
Speaker 3: And once again I'm not taking aside. I'm just arguing

2680
02:00:28,640 --> 02:00:30,640
Speaker 3: the point for some Roll to sit there and be like,

2681
02:00:30,680 --> 02:00:32,520
Speaker 3: I'm about Tulane, because at this point, all he is

2682
02:00:32,520 --> 02:00:35,040
Speaker 3: about Tulane, knowing people are kind of maybe calling him

2683
02:00:35,040 --> 02:00:37,920
Speaker 3: and being like, hey, if this doesn't happen, you're our guy.

2684
02:00:38,320 --> 02:00:40,200
Speaker 3: And if with that information, if you're Summer, all, like,

2685
02:00:40,280 --> 02:00:42,600
Speaker 3: there's no other information to kind of have other than but.

2686
02:00:42,680 --> 02:00:48,040
Speaker 6: He the Auburn job. What happened? What happened with dude Auburn?

2687
02:00:48,120 --> 02:00:49,560
Speaker 6: Let me tell you something that's a whole nother show.

2688
02:00:49,800 --> 02:00:54,600
Speaker 6: Auburn almost fantastically screwed themselves. Auburn had John Somemmrall done

2689
02:00:55,480 --> 02:00:58,920
Speaker 6: as late as last week. They had John Somer all done,

2690
02:00:58,960 --> 02:01:02,000
Speaker 6: and they messed around. I was so confident that Auburn

2691
02:01:02,080 --> 02:01:04,320
Speaker 6: had finally handed a coaching search the right way, and

2692
02:01:04,400 --> 02:01:06,320
Speaker 6: they had, and then they got to the finish line

2693
02:01:06,520 --> 02:01:08,840
Speaker 6: and they just tripped themselves up, you know, because they

2694
02:01:08,880 --> 02:01:10,960
Speaker 6: can't help it. And then John somewhere else says, no,

2695
02:01:11,760 --> 02:01:13,920
Speaker 6: you're not going to dictate terms to me about who's

2696
02:01:13,960 --> 02:01:15,720
Speaker 6: going to be on my staff and if they're going

2697
02:01:15,760 --> 02:01:17,280
Speaker 6: to be on my staff. I got to look him

2698
02:01:17,280 --> 02:01:18,760
Speaker 6: in the eye. I got to make sure they're right

2699
02:01:18,800 --> 02:01:20,920
Speaker 6: for me. So he said, peace, I'm out. And he

2700
02:01:21,000 --> 02:01:22,480
Speaker 6: could say that because he knew he was going to

2701
02:01:22,520 --> 02:01:24,680
Speaker 6: get the Florida job. But my point to you was,

2702
02:01:25,280 --> 02:01:27,520
Speaker 6: so Auburn pulled the nose up at the eleventh hour.

2703
02:01:27,560 --> 02:01:31,120
Speaker 6: They got Alex Goldish, He's good. They almost crashed entirely.

2704
02:01:31,200 --> 02:01:32,760
Speaker 6: We could do a whole show on that today. But

2705
02:01:32,920 --> 02:01:35,360
Speaker 6: with John, John did know he had head coaching jobs.

2706
02:01:35,520 --> 02:01:37,320
Speaker 6: He knew at the very least I'm going to Auburn

2707
02:01:37,480 --> 02:01:39,000
Speaker 6: and that's going to be a major head coaching job

2708
02:01:39,080 --> 02:01:42,800
Speaker 6: in the SEC. Florida is interested in me. He could

2709
02:01:42,800 --> 02:01:46,120
Speaker 6: have taken Arkansas in a heartbeat, could have taken Virginia Tech. Like,

2710
02:01:46,240 --> 02:01:48,240
Speaker 6: all those were on the table for him. He ends

2711
02:01:48,320 --> 02:01:50,960
Speaker 6: up at Florida because they don't get Lane. That's true.

2712
02:01:51,240 --> 02:01:53,520
Speaker 6: He would only have been on LSU's radar had they

2713
02:01:53,600 --> 02:01:55,840
Speaker 6: not gotten Lane. That's true. He also could have had

2714
02:01:55,880 --> 02:01:59,120
Speaker 6: the old Miss job. So he had several SEC irons

2715
02:01:59,160 --> 02:02:00,840
Speaker 6: in the fire, and he knew he was going to

2716
02:02:00,960 --> 02:02:04,760
Speaker 6: leave Tulane. But yet he handled the entire season. I

2717
02:02:04,840 --> 02:02:07,600
Speaker 6: think the only way you can given the circumstances. Yeah,

2718
02:02:07,640 --> 02:02:09,040
Speaker 6: I think people respect it a little bit more.

2719
02:02:09,080 --> 02:02:10,440
Speaker 3: No, I can get on board with that.

2720
02:02:10,720 --> 02:02:14,760
Speaker 1: Yeah. I empathize with Lane, not like he probably didn't

2721
02:02:14,840 --> 02:02:15,840
Speaker 1: know what he wanted to do.

2722
02:02:16,120 --> 02:02:17,080
Speaker 6: I agree with it this time.

2723
02:02:17,120 --> 02:02:19,040
Speaker 3: I'm not sure people have. People had no clue what

2724
02:02:19,080 --> 02:02:19,600
Speaker 3: he was going to do.

2725
02:02:20,040 --> 02:02:22,480
Speaker 1: Like I empathized with him having a hard decision and

2726
02:02:22,600 --> 02:02:24,720
Speaker 1: laying in bed and getting the heartstrings tugged on and

2727
02:02:24,760 --> 02:02:27,400
Speaker 1: everything else. I empathize with that because when the cheers stopped,

2728
02:02:27,400 --> 02:02:29,520
Speaker 1: the dust settles, it is only you. It's you and

2729
02:02:29,600 --> 02:02:32,560
Speaker 1: your family. You make whatever decision you think is best

2730
02:02:32,640 --> 02:02:35,080
Speaker 1: for you in this world. He thought it was at

2731
02:02:35,120 --> 02:02:37,240
Speaker 1: the end of the day, he took an old missjob.

2732
02:02:37,280 --> 02:02:39,880
Speaker 1: He took in his mind, a better opportunity, better backing,

2733
02:02:39,960 --> 02:02:43,560
Speaker 1: better structure. I look, he does his thing. I'm all

2734
02:02:43,640 --> 02:02:46,560
Speaker 1: for that, because again, it is only you in this

2735
02:02:46,640 --> 02:02:48,800
Speaker 1: world making your own decisions. So if that's what he's

2736
02:02:48,880 --> 02:02:52,000
Speaker 1: most happy with, dude, go do your thing. It's just

2737
02:02:52,120 --> 02:02:55,000
Speaker 1: all the semantics that came around because John Summerl, like

2738
02:02:55,160 --> 02:02:57,120
Speaker 1: you just don't feel the TV series that came with

2739
02:02:57,200 --> 02:02:59,840
Speaker 1: John Somerl throughout the entire process. Again, he is a

2740
02:03:00,080 --> 02:03:03,960
Speaker 1: lined with his ad probably I'm assuming with the team

2741
02:03:04,360 --> 02:03:06,680
Speaker 1: every step of the way. And when you are gonna

2742
02:03:06,680 --> 02:03:09,600
Speaker 1: make these hard decisions because you're in a tough spot

2743
02:03:09,680 --> 02:03:12,840
Speaker 1: because of this calendar, with the coaching, with the coaching cycle,

2744
02:03:13,360 --> 02:03:15,280
Speaker 1: when you're gonna make these hard decisions, that's going to

2745
02:03:16,280 --> 02:03:19,280
Speaker 1: inevitably hurt feelings no matter what you try and have

2746
02:03:19,400 --> 02:03:21,520
Speaker 1: his least amount of bloodshed as possible. And it felt

2747
02:03:21,520 --> 02:03:23,600
Speaker 1: like John Summrall did that and it felt like link Kiffin.

2748
02:03:23,760 --> 02:03:25,080
Speaker 1: It was just a bludgeting across the.

2749
02:03:25,080 --> 02:03:26,800
Speaker 3: Broad Yeah, yeah, yeah. He took the opportunity to pull

2750
02:03:26,800 --> 02:03:29,040
Speaker 3: the sword out. Yeah. You had the trauma from the

2751
02:03:29,120 --> 02:03:34,200
Speaker 3: last six years getting fired by Nick Saban and decided

2752
02:03:34,200 --> 02:03:35,240
Speaker 3: I'm gonna get mine right now.

2753
02:03:35,280 --> 02:03:37,080
Speaker 1: I'm the way out, right, and then trying to point

2754
02:03:37,120 --> 02:03:39,000
Speaker 1: the finger at the ad on the way out, saying

2755
02:03:39,040 --> 02:03:40,520
Speaker 1: he won't let me talk to the team, he won't

2756
02:03:40,560 --> 02:03:42,640
Speaker 1: let me coach. Think that I'm gonna get us to

2757
02:03:42,720 --> 02:03:45,040
Speaker 1: eleven and one. They'll kind of have no choice because

2758
02:03:45,040 --> 02:03:47,360
Speaker 1: I got It's like you got Sabin, you had Herbstreet,

2759
02:03:48,120 --> 02:03:50,120
Speaker 1: the national voices that were saying they should still let

2760
02:03:50,160 --> 02:03:51,920
Speaker 1: him coach, so then when he's on his way out

2761
02:03:51,960 --> 02:03:53,480
Speaker 1: he can do well. He didn't let me do it.

2762
02:03:53,520 --> 02:03:56,600
Speaker 1: It's like, Bro, there's no world, there's no world where

2763
02:03:56,600 --> 02:03:59,480
Speaker 1: that a d should let you coachy. The college will playoff,

2764
02:04:00,000 --> 02:04:01,920
Speaker 1: but they're inside that building. I don't care if it's

2765
02:04:01,960 --> 02:04:04,880
Speaker 1: Patty whatever. No, he's got to protect everything Ole miss

2766
02:04:05,040 --> 02:04:07,000
Speaker 1: And if you're leaving, Bro, you gotta go, gotta go,

2767
02:04:08,120 --> 02:04:10,400
Speaker 1: I tell you. Yeah. The Herbstreet saving stuff that was

2768
02:04:10,480 --> 02:04:12,520
Speaker 1: kind of blown up everywhere. They're always.

2769
02:04:14,040 --> 02:04:18,360
Speaker 3: They always they're working Sexton. Man, he is, He's the

2770
02:04:18,440 --> 02:04:20,760
Speaker 3: Ultiman winner and all of this, isn't he Yeah? Yeah,

2771
02:04:21,520 --> 02:04:23,680
Speaker 3: why why not stay at Ole?

2772
02:04:23,760 --> 02:04:23,960
Speaker 5: Miss?

2773
02:04:24,760 --> 02:04:26,640
Speaker 3: I'm sure at this point at all the boosters saying

2774
02:04:26,680 --> 02:04:28,000
Speaker 3: we'll give you all the money in the world.

2775
02:04:28,080 --> 02:04:30,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, money wasn't going to be the issue. One thing

2776
02:04:30,680 --> 02:04:33,400
Speaker 6: Lane was consistent about is money's not the issue for me.

2777
02:04:33,760 --> 02:04:35,480
Speaker 6: Like I talked to him several times throughout this, he

2778
02:04:35,520 --> 02:04:37,840
Speaker 6: always reiterated that he was dead serious about that. It's

2779
02:04:37,880 --> 02:04:40,040
Speaker 6: a big deal for Jimmy and CAA because not only

2780
02:04:40,080 --> 02:04:41,920
Speaker 6: I mean, look, there's a business side of this where

2781
02:04:42,120 --> 02:04:45,280
Speaker 6: when you're negotiating a deal, if you're Jimmy Sexton negotiating

2782
02:04:45,920 --> 02:04:47,920
Speaker 6: like a Keystone deal, which is going to impact the

2783
02:04:47,960 --> 02:04:50,640
Speaker 6: rest of the market, You've got like fifty other clients

2784
02:04:50,680 --> 02:04:52,200
Speaker 6: that are about to get a raised because of what

2785
02:04:52,280 --> 02:04:54,960
Speaker 6: you negotiate for Lane. So Lane couldn't have cared less

2786
02:04:55,040 --> 02:04:57,080
Speaker 6: about the money aspect of it. He's already made more

2787
02:04:57,120 --> 02:05:00,800
Speaker 6: than he'll spend in ten lifetimes. However, I think he

2788
02:05:01,440 --> 02:05:04,280
Speaker 6: desired to be desired for so long and he wasn't,

2789
02:05:04,760 --> 02:05:06,720
Speaker 6: and he sat at Ole Miss for a while. First off,

2790
02:05:06,760 --> 02:05:08,960
Speaker 6: he said it at Baman Fau, and finally he was

2791
02:05:09,000 --> 02:05:12,080
Speaker 6: desired enough to get the old Miss job. But remember,

2792
02:05:12,160 --> 02:05:14,280
Speaker 6: Lane's pretty old school in the way he looks at

2793
02:05:14,320 --> 02:05:16,240
Speaker 6: this stuff. So even if we're in the new age

2794
02:05:16,240 --> 02:05:18,480
Speaker 6: of college football, he still looks at the SEC the

2795
02:05:18,560 --> 02:05:20,960
Speaker 6: way an old school guy would look. And he's he's

2796
02:05:21,000 --> 02:05:23,160
Speaker 6: looking at the LSU job like Saban looked at it

2797
02:05:23,240 --> 02:05:27,080
Speaker 6: a generation to go. It's like everything's there. These are

2798
02:05:27,120 --> 02:05:29,920
Speaker 6: not his words, but I probably believe folks like him

2799
02:05:30,000 --> 02:05:34,520
Speaker 6: think I'm pretty responsible for the success that Ole Miss

2800
02:05:34,560 --> 02:05:37,240
Speaker 6: has just had, Like I am the reason this is

2801
02:05:37,280 --> 02:05:40,160
Speaker 6: happening again. Whether that's true or not, that's kind of

2802
02:05:40,320 --> 02:05:44,200
Speaker 6: the almost like the competitive narcissistic quality you have to

2803
02:05:44,280 --> 02:05:46,960
Speaker 6: have to yourself to think I'm the cause of this.

2804
02:05:47,280 --> 02:05:51,080
Speaker 6: You look at LSU and you think ed one one there,

2805
02:05:51,760 --> 02:05:54,760
Speaker 6: less one one there, Saban won one there. It almost

2806
02:05:54,800 --> 02:05:57,080
Speaker 6: seems like LSU's just built to win titles no matter

2807
02:05:57,120 --> 02:06:01,400
Speaker 6: who's there. I'll go there and enhance what's already just

2808
02:06:01,480 --> 02:06:05,120
Speaker 6: a rocket ship, and I won't have to do all

2809
02:06:05,160 --> 02:06:07,680
Speaker 6: that work. All I'll have to do is turn the

2810
02:06:07,760 --> 02:06:11,440
Speaker 6: spicket on and let the natural resources and the natural

2811
02:06:11,520 --> 02:06:14,760
Speaker 6: advantages flow and maybe I can win two or three

2812
02:06:14,920 --> 02:06:17,280
Speaker 6: at LSU. Whether that happens or not, I'm just telling

2813
02:06:17,320 --> 02:06:20,600
Speaker 6: you I think I pretty well articulated how someone like

2814
02:06:20,720 --> 02:06:23,320
Speaker 6: him feels about why he takes the LSU job.

2815
02:06:24,360 --> 02:06:24,560
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2816
02:06:26,160 --> 02:06:31,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, he gets focused on more great at I tell

2817
02:06:31,320 --> 02:06:34,840
Speaker 1: you what. Twitter was fun, though, buddy, we got one

2818
02:06:34,920 --> 02:06:37,920
Speaker 1: right here. This from John tweets Sports. I made a

2819
02:06:37,960 --> 02:06:40,760
Speaker 1: difficult decision to leave my wife, who's been very loyal

2820
02:06:40,800 --> 02:06:43,440
Speaker 1: to me for a woman she despises. I was hoping

2821
02:06:43,440 --> 02:06:45,240
Speaker 1: to keep living in our house through Christmas, and I

2822
02:06:45,360 --> 02:06:47,880
Speaker 1: think like nothing was wrong. My request was denied by

2823
02:06:47,920 --> 02:06:49,880
Speaker 1: my wife despite the kids wanting me to stay through

2824
02:06:49,920 --> 02:06:52,880
Speaker 1: Christmas breaking down.

2825
02:06:54,240 --> 02:06:54,800
Speaker 5: That's a shame.

2826
02:06:54,880 --> 02:06:56,800
Speaker 6: And Lane Kevin would look like, would look at that say,

2827
02:06:57,400 --> 02:06:58,280
Speaker 6: how dare that woman?

2828
02:06:58,600 --> 02:06:58,800
Speaker 2: Yeah?

2829
02:07:02,280 --> 02:07:05,240
Speaker 3: Holy shit, that is a John tweet sports. That's a

2830
02:07:05,320 --> 02:07:08,320
Speaker 3: fantastic it's a fantastic, great Job's what you want?

2831
02:07:08,800 --> 02:07:13,840
Speaker 1: So you said something with John Somemraw Auburn. Auburn was

2832
02:07:13,880 --> 02:07:16,280
Speaker 1: wanting to put people around the programer around on his

2833
02:07:16,400 --> 02:07:18,720
Speaker 1: staff that he wasn't necessarily in the same room with,

2834
02:07:18,840 --> 02:07:19,800
Speaker 1: to keep tabs on him.

2835
02:07:19,920 --> 02:07:22,640
Speaker 6: Well, no, it's even worse than that, and this is

2836
02:07:22,680 --> 02:07:23,440
Speaker 6: a kind of slid.

2837
02:07:24,680 --> 02:07:26,240
Speaker 1: I got to kind of know why they fumbled the

2838
02:07:26,280 --> 02:07:27,240
Speaker 1: bag with John Someral.

2839
02:07:27,360 --> 02:07:30,560
Speaker 6: They had John John wanted the Auburn job. I don't

2840
02:07:30,560 --> 02:07:33,160
Speaker 6: want to gloss over that. Like in coaching searches these days,

2841
02:07:33,520 --> 02:07:35,880
Speaker 6: sometimes it's just let's go get the guy we think

2842
02:07:35,960 --> 02:07:38,000
Speaker 6: is best for the job, and he's going to take

2843
02:07:38,040 --> 02:07:40,880
Speaker 6: our job because it's the next step. John Sumral wanted

2844
02:07:40,920 --> 02:07:42,720
Speaker 6: the Auburn job because he wanted to be the Auburn

2845
02:07:42,760 --> 02:07:45,280
Speaker 6: Tigers head coach, and he just happens to be a really,

2846
02:07:45,320 --> 02:07:48,760
Speaker 6: really great candidate, so they had him locked up. There

2847
02:07:48,880 --> 02:07:51,720
Speaker 6: was also the DJ Diurkinside, who was the interim head

2848
02:07:51,760 --> 02:07:55,680
Speaker 6: coach there, and I think John Cohen, the ad had

2849
02:07:55,760 --> 02:07:58,400
Speaker 6: really become attached to the idea of DJ. He's a

2850
02:07:58,440 --> 02:08:01,760
Speaker 6: phenomenal defensive mind. They wanted to keep him there. If

2851
02:08:01,760 --> 02:08:04,080
Speaker 6: they don't hire him as the permanent head coach, they

2852
02:08:04,120 --> 02:08:06,120
Speaker 6: want to keep him there as the defensive coordinator. So

2853
02:08:06,280 --> 02:08:09,640
Speaker 6: you know, you kind of you maybe gauge John Somerral

2854
02:08:10,040 --> 02:08:11,960
Speaker 6: during your negotiation and say what do you think about

2855
02:08:12,000 --> 02:08:14,720
Speaker 6: Durkin and maybe some Morell's receptive to it. Maybe he

2856
02:08:14,760 --> 02:08:17,360
Speaker 6: says I like DJ a lot. You know, maybe maybe

2857
02:08:17,440 --> 02:08:20,320
Speaker 6: I'll have a place for him on my staff. That's okay.

2858
02:08:20,680 --> 02:08:23,520
Speaker 6: What's not okay is then taking that at Auburn to mean,

2859
02:08:23,880 --> 02:08:26,400
Speaker 6: all right, let's go ahead and extend DJ, and let's

2860
02:08:26,480 --> 02:08:28,360
Speaker 6: sign him to a new deal, and let's coach called

2861
02:08:28,400 --> 02:08:30,280
Speaker 6: John Somerral up and say hey, all right, he's going

2862
02:08:30,320 --> 02:08:32,120
Speaker 6: to be on your staff. That can't happen.

2863
02:08:32,440 --> 02:08:33,280
Speaker 5: It can't happen for.

2864
02:08:33,360 --> 02:08:35,760
Speaker 6: Many reasons, but two of them I'll give you is

2865
02:08:36,640 --> 02:08:40,040
Speaker 6: that makes you the ad the guy that Durkin's answering to,

2866
02:08:40,520 --> 02:08:42,720
Speaker 6: not John sumrall, because John Sumral's not the one who

2867
02:08:42,800 --> 02:08:45,400
Speaker 6: hired him or paid him. And secondly, you haven't even

2868
02:08:45,480 --> 02:08:48,920
Speaker 6: vetted him yet. You, the future head coach of Auburn,

2869
02:08:49,120 --> 02:08:51,320
Speaker 6: have not even sat down with this guy or these

2870
02:08:51,400 --> 02:08:53,280
Speaker 6: guys because Durkin's not the only one they were trying

2871
02:08:53,320 --> 02:08:55,400
Speaker 6: to dictate with and look them in the eye and

2872
02:08:56,000 --> 02:08:58,720
Speaker 6: pitched your vision and seeing that they buy into it.

2873
02:08:59,120 --> 02:09:00,360
Speaker 1: You didn't even do it. Any of that.

2874
02:09:00,800 --> 02:09:02,960
Speaker 6: And so if anyone's going to put conditions on you,

2875
02:09:03,800 --> 02:09:05,680
Speaker 6: with how hard it already is to win, if you

2876
02:09:05,800 --> 02:09:09,200
Speaker 6: get your way on everything, you're not taking that job doubly,

2877
02:09:09,360 --> 02:09:12,360
Speaker 6: especially when you've got other programs that are bidding for

2878
02:09:12,440 --> 02:09:17,160
Speaker 6: your services. So Auburn screwed themselves fantastically early mid point

2879
02:09:17,200 --> 02:09:19,520
Speaker 6: of last week. We go into the Iron Bowl Saturday.

2880
02:09:19,520 --> 02:09:21,960
Speaker 6: I was down there and it was grim, and a

2881
02:09:22,000 --> 02:09:23,680
Speaker 6: lot of folks around there thought we're about to have

2882
02:09:23,760 --> 02:09:27,720
Speaker 6: to elevate Durkin, and I think John Cohen probably knew

2883
02:09:27,760 --> 02:09:32,040
Speaker 6: he had screwed that up. But then Alex Golish turns

2884
02:09:32,120 --> 02:09:36,480
Speaker 6: down Arkansas because Auburn is on the table, and I

2885
02:09:36,760 --> 02:09:40,320
Speaker 6: think that they were able to salvage a situation to

2886
02:09:40,440 --> 02:09:42,680
Speaker 6: the point where I could easily see us three years

2887
02:09:42,720 --> 02:09:45,880
Speaker 6: down the road saying Auburn fumbled their way backwards into

2888
02:09:45,920 --> 02:09:49,760
Speaker 6: a huge win here. I'm very, very irrationally excited about

2889
02:09:49,840 --> 02:09:53,240
Speaker 6: the prospects of Alex Golish at that place. Sometimes, you

2890
02:09:53,320 --> 02:09:55,000
Speaker 6: know how you just get a feel like some places

2891
02:09:55,000 --> 02:09:57,600
Speaker 6: are just like puzzle piece fits. I would have felt

2892
02:09:57,600 --> 02:09:59,800
Speaker 6: that about John there too. These were both really good candidates.

2893
02:10:00,120 --> 02:10:01,840
Speaker 6: The market's going to be way higher on John than

2894
02:10:01,840 --> 02:10:03,800
Speaker 6: they are on Alex Goldish. You probably know more about

2895
02:10:03,800 --> 02:10:06,120
Speaker 6: some Raw than Alex Golish. I'm way high on John

2896
02:10:06,160 --> 02:10:09,640
Speaker 6: Sumraw I'm way high on Alex's Goldish's potential at Auburn.

2897
02:10:10,400 --> 02:10:13,200
Speaker 6: Those people probably had to google his name yesterday, but

2898
02:10:13,360 --> 02:10:15,880
Speaker 6: in time, I think they'll really really love him down there.

2899
02:10:16,600 --> 02:10:18,640
Speaker 6: Quarterback play has been abysmal at Auburn for like the

2900
02:10:18,680 --> 02:10:21,680
Speaker 6: past fifteen years, aside from a couple of exceptions, and

2901
02:10:21,760 --> 02:10:23,480
Speaker 6: the one thing I can promise if nothing else is

2902
02:10:24,040 --> 02:10:26,160
Speaker 6: quarterback play won't be an issue at Auburn. Maybe there'll

2903
02:10:26,160 --> 02:10:29,040
Speaker 6: be other issues, maybe you can't stop molasses in December defensively,

2904
02:10:29,080 --> 02:10:31,120
Speaker 6: but quarterback play will be really good under him.

2905
02:10:31,680 --> 02:10:33,960
Speaker 3: What I know, we ate Greg obviously in a couple

2906
02:10:33,960 --> 02:10:35,480
Speaker 3: of minutes, so before we get you out of here.

2907
02:10:36,560 --> 02:10:38,560
Speaker 3: During your show last night, you're still singing the praises

2908
02:10:38,600 --> 02:10:42,800
Speaker 3: of Matt Campbell. Where is Penn State is still looking

2909
02:10:42,880 --> 02:10:45,760
Speaker 3: for a coach. I think it's insane that Matt Campbell's

2910
02:10:45,800 --> 02:10:46,160
Speaker 3: not the guy.

2911
02:10:46,320 --> 02:10:49,080
Speaker 6: I think it's insane Penn State's swinging on them.

2912
02:10:53,120 --> 02:10:56,320
Speaker 3: About Auburn fumbling. I'm obviously an outsider watching, but like

2913
02:10:56,720 --> 02:10:59,320
Speaker 3: to have your coach fired in mid October and still

2914
02:10:59,360 --> 02:11:00,800
Speaker 3: be in the same position you are, and now all

2915
02:11:00,880 --> 02:11:02,760
Speaker 3: the coaches that people are like, hey, you should get

2916
02:11:02,800 --> 02:11:03,480
Speaker 3: these guys.

2917
02:11:04,640 --> 02:11:05,480
Speaker 1: Twenty four hours.

2918
02:11:05,560 --> 02:11:08,240
Speaker 6: Dude, Golden Miss had won four hours yesterday.

2919
02:11:08,360 --> 02:11:11,160
Speaker 3: Yes, oh Miss lost their coach like you, and he's

2920
02:11:11,200 --> 02:11:13,800
Speaker 3: like me, yeah, okay, I'll do it. And Penn State

2921
02:11:13,880 --> 02:11:15,800
Speaker 3: is sitting there, they're smoking SIGs in the bark. They're

2922
02:11:15,800 --> 02:11:18,080
Speaker 3: a head coach who they fired already has a job,

2923
02:11:18,680 --> 02:11:20,000
Speaker 3: and you have no head coach.

2924
02:11:20,320 --> 02:11:23,680
Speaker 6: And yet Matt Campbell is responsible for like eight of

2925
02:11:23,920 --> 02:11:28,080
Speaker 6: the ten plus five hundred win seasons in conference playing Iowa.

2926
02:11:28,160 --> 02:11:30,440
Speaker 6: Iowa State has been over five hundred in conference play

2927
02:11:30,480 --> 02:11:32,800
Speaker 6: ten times in their history. Matt Campbell has been eight

2928
02:11:32,920 --> 02:11:35,680
Speaker 6: of those ten years. Not good enough for us, though,

2929
02:11:35,960 --> 02:11:38,000
Speaker 6: we're not reaching out though we got things figured out.

2930
02:11:38,160 --> 02:11:41,600
Speaker 6: So things are cold on Campbell from the Penn State perspective. Yeah, Now,

2931
02:11:41,680 --> 02:11:43,880
Speaker 6: Matt's turned down several Like, dude, Matt could have had

2932
02:11:43,920 --> 02:11:46,520
Speaker 6: the Tennessee job, could have had the Detroit Lions job,

2933
02:11:46,840 --> 02:11:48,760
Speaker 6: could have had the Florida State job. There are a

2934
02:11:48,840 --> 02:11:51,960
Speaker 6: ton of big name schools that he's turned down. Yeah.

2935
02:11:52,200 --> 02:11:55,080
Speaker 6: I don't know if that's out there, but it is now. Okay, Now, Detroit,

2936
02:11:55,160 --> 02:11:56,440
Speaker 6: I'm told ended up being okay.

2937
02:11:56,800 --> 02:11:59,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, in the NFL world, I know you don't

2938
02:11:59,800 --> 02:12:02,200
Speaker 1: want lines are in a bit of a spot.

2939
02:12:02,400 --> 02:12:04,560
Speaker 3: Ryan's are actually out of the playoffs right now, as

2940
02:12:04,600 --> 02:12:06,360
Speaker 3: of right now, as of right now, they're not good

2941
02:12:06,640 --> 02:12:07,760
Speaker 3: typically not good right now.

2942
02:12:08,560 --> 02:12:09,160
Speaker 1: Worked out with the.

2943
02:12:10,680 --> 02:12:12,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, so Penn State, who are they going after?

2944
02:12:12,920 --> 02:12:14,640
Speaker 6: I got no clue. Could be you, You could get

2945
02:12:14,640 --> 02:12:15,080
Speaker 6: a call later.

2946
02:12:16,880 --> 02:12:19,480
Speaker 1: I'm also, uh, I'm seeing I don't know how real

2947
02:12:19,520 --> 02:12:21,760
Speaker 1: it is. I'm seeing Hypel's name getting back in the

2948
02:12:21,960 --> 02:12:22,400
Speaker 1: I saw that.

2949
02:12:22,880 --> 02:12:25,960
Speaker 6: I know nothing about that. I'm not being what was he?

2950
02:12:26,080 --> 02:12:27,000
Speaker 1: Who is he connected to?

2951
02:12:27,880 --> 02:12:31,160
Speaker 6: Allegedly pens according to the message boards et cetera.

2952
02:12:32,080 --> 02:12:35,200
Speaker 1: Penn State and Big Measure, Yeah, big message, How can

2953
02:12:35,240 --> 02:12:37,600
Speaker 1: you not be? I was talking, I was talking with Josh,

2954
02:12:37,640 --> 02:12:39,240
Speaker 1: and I was like, Penn State doing a good job

2955
02:12:39,360 --> 02:12:41,960
Speaker 1: keeping this stuff quiet. Well, there's nothing to talk about.

2956
02:12:42,320 --> 02:12:43,960
Speaker 1: This some quiet, But they've done a terrible job as

2957
02:12:44,000 --> 02:12:45,960
Speaker 1: far as their search goes. Oh yeah, yeah, that's a

2958
02:12:45,960 --> 02:12:46,360
Speaker 1: fair point.

2959
02:12:46,480 --> 02:12:49,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, we knew Penn State was going downhill the minute

2960
02:12:49,280 --> 02:12:50,000
Speaker 3: Mitchig got a DM.

2961
02:12:50,440 --> 02:12:52,640
Speaker 6: Wow, m we knew.

2962
02:12:52,640 --> 02:12:54,000
Speaker 3: Okay, Penn State's in a bad spot.

2963
02:12:54,120 --> 02:12:57,000
Speaker 6: That's a good teast for Wednesday, Yeah, great tea.

2964
02:12:57,160 --> 02:12:58,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll get to talk more when we do the

2965
02:12:58,840 --> 02:13:01,040
Speaker 1: locker room. That's going to drive up Wednesday night whenever

2966
02:13:01,080 --> 02:13:04,080
Speaker 1: the playoff rankings come out. Josh Bate as always, thank you,

2967
02:13:04,200 --> 02:13:05,840
Speaker 1: bro broke down a lot of good stuff right there.

2968
02:13:05,880 --> 02:13:08,320
Speaker 1: We will uh, we'll see you with Greg olsen Ryno

2969
02:13:08,320 --> 02:13:13,360
Speaker 1: applause for Josh Bate. Black Friday betbtv dot.

2970
02:13:13,240 --> 02:13:15,240
Speaker 3: Com thirty five percent off Cyber Monday.

2971
02:13:15,760 --> 02:13:16,520
Speaker 1: Cyber Monday.

2972
02:13:17,240 --> 02:13:21,400
Speaker 3: Black Friday is done. That happened last week. Uh, coach Day.

2973
02:13:22,040 --> 02:13:24,440
Speaker 3: First off, let's give a round of applause for coach

2974
02:13:24,520 --> 02:13:25,760
Speaker 3: Day coming on the show.

2975
02:13:26,640 --> 02:13:28,160
Speaker 1: I'm glad he I'm glad he came on.

2976
02:13:28,360 --> 02:13:31,680
Speaker 3: They surety leadership the whole thing, especially the way I've

2977
02:13:31,680 --> 02:13:33,080
Speaker 3: talked about you the last year, which I'm not going

2978
02:13:33,120 --> 02:13:35,520
Speaker 3: to shy away from. I will say this before we start.

2979
02:13:36,080 --> 02:13:38,280
Speaker 3: I have said a lot of nasty things even after

2980
02:13:38,440 --> 02:13:41,840
Speaker 3: like the Spring tour. I've used the third base comment.

2981
02:13:42,000 --> 02:13:45,560
Speaker 3: I've I've said not a leader of men. And you

2982
02:13:45,640 --> 02:13:48,560
Speaker 3: know my opinion shouldn't and does not matter to you. However,

2983
02:13:48,640 --> 02:13:51,720
Speaker 3: I will say like I was wrong, and you you

2984
02:13:52,120 --> 02:13:55,160
Speaker 3: truly uh you beat our ass and you did it

2985
02:13:55,200 --> 02:13:59,080
Speaker 3: with humility. You did it, Uh you know the way

2986
02:13:59,120 --> 02:14:01,520
Speaker 3: Ohio State probably should have done it last year, and

2987
02:14:01,960 --> 02:14:06,520
Speaker 3: you have shown a you've proven me wrong, and I

2988
02:14:06,720 --> 02:14:10,040
Speaker 3: want to formally apologize for that because it's you know,

2989
02:14:10,120 --> 02:14:11,960
Speaker 3: it's one thing to make comments arrival and stuff like

2990
02:14:11,960 --> 02:14:13,440
Speaker 3: that and things that I did believe at a time,

2991
02:14:13,800 --> 02:14:15,760
Speaker 3: but for you to go I think it's sixteen and

2992
02:14:15,840 --> 02:14:18,440
Speaker 3: oh since the game that happened in Columbus last year.

2993
02:14:18,800 --> 02:14:20,280
Speaker 3: It shows how much of a leader you are in

2994
02:14:20,360 --> 02:14:23,200
Speaker 3: that locker room. And it's very impressive. So that is

2995
02:14:23,400 --> 02:14:25,520
Speaker 3: that's all. That's the last nice thing I'll say.

2996
02:14:26,400 --> 02:14:28,000
Speaker 2: I appreciate it, Taylor.

2997
02:14:28,040 --> 02:14:29,360
Speaker 4: I got a lot of respect for you, and so

2998
02:14:30,000 --> 02:14:32,080
Speaker 4: now it means a lot and and but it's a

2999
02:14:32,160 --> 02:14:34,680
Speaker 4: tribute to these guys and then the program and these kids,

3000
02:14:34,760 --> 02:14:37,520
Speaker 4: and there's a lot of great life lessons, you know,

3001
02:14:37,680 --> 02:14:40,520
Speaker 4: over the last year of just life. This is life, right,

3002
02:14:41,040 --> 02:14:42,920
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. And this is the world

3003
02:14:42,960 --> 02:14:45,160
Speaker 4: we live in. This is the stage that we play on.

3004
02:14:45,920 --> 02:14:48,800
Speaker 4: And you know, you know, you get what comes with

3005
02:14:49,360 --> 02:14:51,840
Speaker 4: you know, losing games, and the only way to get

3006
02:14:51,880 --> 02:14:54,880
Speaker 4: it right is to get it fixed. Yeah, and you

3007
02:14:54,960 --> 02:14:56,880
Speaker 4: know we certainly you know, haven't got it fixed the

3008
02:14:56,960 --> 02:14:58,880
Speaker 4: last twelve months. But like we got to move on

3009
02:14:59,000 --> 02:15:01,440
Speaker 4: because we've got Indiana this week, and certainly we've got

3010
02:15:01,480 --> 02:15:02,120
Speaker 4: a lot ahead of us.

3011
02:15:02,600 --> 02:15:05,080
Speaker 3: What is the well I want to get into recruiting,

3012
02:15:05,160 --> 02:15:07,480
Speaker 3: Patricia all that, but you brought up the Indiana game,

3013
02:15:08,040 --> 02:15:09,800
Speaker 3: and we had Josh Payton on the show earlier and

3014
02:15:09,840 --> 02:15:12,839
Speaker 3: we're talking about, like these conference games really are losing,

3015
02:15:13,080 --> 02:15:16,800
Speaker 3: they're losing kind of the we're not really playing for

3016
02:15:16,800 --> 02:15:19,080
Speaker 3: a Big Ten championship. We're playing for a national championship.

3017
02:15:19,080 --> 02:15:20,600
Speaker 3: And if you have the one seed in Ohio State

3018
02:15:20,640 --> 02:15:23,600
Speaker 3: in the two seed Indiana, what's stopping you guys from

3019
02:15:23,640 --> 02:15:27,240
Speaker 3: just saying, Hey, we're gonna sit our best receivers, We're

3020
02:15:27,240 --> 02:15:29,240
Speaker 3: gonna sit our quarterback, and just be like, hey, the

3021
02:15:29,400 --> 02:15:31,720
Speaker 3: commissions already said they don't really care about, you know,

3022
02:15:31,800 --> 02:15:32,920
Speaker 3: conference championship games.

3023
02:15:33,040 --> 02:15:35,000
Speaker 1: Right, we're both getting by week, Yeah, we're getting you Like,

3024
02:15:35,120 --> 02:15:36,600
Speaker 1: why not just move on?

3025
02:15:36,960 --> 02:15:38,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, and kind of wipe your hands with this thing.

3026
02:15:39,080 --> 02:15:40,960
Speaker 3: Obviously there's a level of competition and all that that

3027
02:15:41,080 --> 02:15:43,400
Speaker 3: you want, But if the if the big goal is

3028
02:15:43,440 --> 02:15:45,680
Speaker 3: the national championship, who cares about a Big Ten championship?

3029
02:15:46,040 --> 02:15:46,240
Speaker 1: Yeah?

3030
02:15:46,360 --> 02:15:47,760
Speaker 4: No, I hear what you're saying. I think they got

3031
02:15:47,840 --> 02:15:50,240
Speaker 4: to look at it for sure, but you know, we

3032
02:15:50,440 --> 02:15:52,640
Speaker 4: we're in it and we want to be the one seed.

3033
02:15:52,800 --> 02:15:55,320
Speaker 4: And I think everything matters when it comes down the stretch.

3034
02:15:55,720 --> 02:15:58,480
Speaker 4: And so you know, if you're just playing the numbers

3035
02:15:58,520 --> 02:16:00,800
Speaker 4: and you're playing you know, the trends, you know, you

3036
02:16:00,960 --> 02:16:02,800
Speaker 4: want to be in a situation where you're the one

3037
02:16:02,880 --> 02:16:06,800
Speaker 4: seed going into the playoffs. So so that's it. I

3038
02:16:06,840 --> 02:16:09,120
Speaker 4: also think there's a lot to momentum. You know. I

3039
02:16:09,160 --> 02:16:10,760
Speaker 4: feel like when you have momentum, you got to keep it.

3040
02:16:10,800 --> 02:16:12,120
Speaker 4: When you don't, you got to go get it. I

3041
02:16:12,160 --> 02:16:14,200
Speaker 4: feel like we have momentum. I want to keep momentum

3042
02:16:14,360 --> 02:16:16,760
Speaker 4: with the team and and these guys that did just

3043
02:16:16,840 --> 02:16:20,400
Speaker 4: competitive dudes that just love to win. And you know,

3044
02:16:20,480 --> 02:16:23,680
Speaker 4: winning a Big Ten championship does matter. It was one

3045
02:16:23,720 --> 02:16:25,440
Speaker 4: of the things that was on our list of goals.

3046
02:16:25,480 --> 02:16:28,880
Speaker 4: So it'll be a great environment, like it'll be you know,

3047
02:16:28,960 --> 02:16:31,000
Speaker 4: it's Indianapolis. Still have a great crowd. We'll have a

3048
02:16:31,040 --> 02:16:35,480
Speaker 4: great crowd. So you know, we want to win. You know,

3049
02:16:35,560 --> 02:16:37,200
Speaker 4: we want to be undefeated. We want to be the

3050
02:16:37,240 --> 02:16:40,440
Speaker 4: one seed. So that's that's that's what's motivating us.

3051
02:16:40,680 --> 02:16:42,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the way it stands right now, like we're

3052
02:16:42,959 --> 02:16:46,160
Speaker 1: seeing one v. Two, We're seeing a potential preview of

3053
02:16:46,200 --> 02:16:48,160
Speaker 1: what the national Championship is going to look like. So

3054
02:16:48,240 --> 02:16:50,080
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's there's going to be that level of

3055
02:16:50,160 --> 02:16:51,840
Speaker 1: juice to it. What do you see with this Indiana

3056
02:16:51,879 --> 02:16:54,520
Speaker 1: football team? Coach Kirkzinetti, he's done a hell of a

3057
02:16:54,680 --> 02:16:57,000
Speaker 1: job in his couple of years there. They're on a

3058
02:16:57,080 --> 02:16:59,760
Speaker 1: role for Nana Mendoza, He's a very good football player,

3059
02:17:00,040 --> 02:17:02,480
Speaker 1: another great quarterback as well. And Julian's saying, what do

3060
02:17:02,560 --> 02:17:04,200
Speaker 1: you see with this Indiana football team?

3061
02:17:04,680 --> 02:17:07,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think they they're well coached. I think they

3062
02:17:07,600 --> 02:17:12,040
Speaker 4: don't make mistakes. You know, in all three phases. They

3063
02:17:12,120 --> 02:17:15,600
Speaker 4: play hard, they have good fundamentals. Like I said, they

3064
02:17:15,640 --> 02:17:19,800
Speaker 4: don't beat themselves, and you know they have a plan

3065
02:17:19,879 --> 02:17:22,000
Speaker 4: on how they're going to attack. And they play fast.

3066
02:17:23,000 --> 02:17:24,880
Speaker 4: You know, like when you watch them on film, they

3067
02:17:25,040 --> 02:17:29,120
Speaker 4: are playing fast, they're playing downhill. You know, they're anticipating

3068
02:17:29,640 --> 02:17:34,279
Speaker 4: as opposed to reacting. And certainly, you know, having Mendoza

3069
02:17:34,360 --> 02:17:37,119
Speaker 4: there has has really just taken them to the next level.

3070
02:17:37,520 --> 02:17:38,800
Speaker 4: And so this is going to be a hell of

3071
02:17:38,879 --> 02:17:40,480
Speaker 4: a game and a really good opponent.

3072
02:17:40,600 --> 02:17:44,240
Speaker 1: Throughout the year. Ohio State's been categorized, you know, based

3073
02:17:44,280 --> 02:17:46,600
Speaker 1: on scheduling and everything else that can be boring, Like

3074
02:17:46,680 --> 02:17:50,680
Speaker 1: the offense isn't explosive until they have to be YadA, YadA, YadA.

3075
02:17:50,800 --> 02:17:53,800
Speaker 1: As a defensive guy myself, seeing what you guys have

3076
02:17:53,879 --> 02:17:56,959
Speaker 1: done defensively, which again that's it's hard to since since

3077
02:17:57,000 --> 02:17:59,640
Speaker 1: the defense they're not like you know, this attacking putting

3078
02:17:59,680 --> 02:18:02,240
Speaker 1: points on the board everywhere anything else. Somebody who appreciates

3079
02:18:02,280 --> 02:18:04,920
Speaker 1: defense losing coach knows to Penn State last year you

3080
02:18:05,000 --> 02:18:06,960
Speaker 1: had the number one defense in the country. To go

3081
02:18:07,040 --> 02:18:09,960
Speaker 1: out and get Coach Patricia. You've held every opponent to

3082
02:18:10,080 --> 02:18:12,680
Speaker 1: under seventeen points a season. Your first in points per

3083
02:18:12,800 --> 02:18:15,360
Speaker 1: game allowed was seven point eight yards allowed per game.

3084
02:18:15,879 --> 02:18:18,480
Speaker 1: What has it been like having coach Matt Patrician in

3085
02:18:18,480 --> 02:18:20,920
Speaker 1: the building. What has he done with this defense? And

3086
02:18:21,080 --> 02:18:24,400
Speaker 1: you got cats everywhere across the board? But speak about

3087
02:18:24,440 --> 02:18:27,119
Speaker 1: the defense a little bit because you guys, you guys

3088
02:18:27,280 --> 02:18:28,359
Speaker 1: crushed teams defensive.

3089
02:18:28,440 --> 02:18:30,440
Speaker 3: While you answer that question, I love to also hear

3090
02:18:30,440 --> 02:18:33,119
Speaker 3: about the process of getting Matt Patricia in your building

3091
02:18:33,160 --> 02:18:33,520
Speaker 3: as well.

3092
02:18:33,680 --> 02:18:37,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, So you know when everything went down

3093
02:18:37,920 --> 02:18:41,520
Speaker 4: after the season, it happened in a point where it

3094
02:18:41,600 --> 02:18:43,280
Speaker 4: was late in January, so a lot of the hiring

3095
02:18:43,360 --> 02:18:46,400
Speaker 4: cycle had already gone through, so you know, kind of

3096
02:18:46,440 --> 02:18:49,920
Speaker 4: caught all of us off guard. And so one of

3097
02:18:49,959 --> 02:18:52,600
Speaker 4: the things that you know, I've learned in this process

3098
02:18:52,760 --> 02:18:55,360
Speaker 4: is like, don't rush into a decision in terms of

3099
02:18:55,440 --> 02:18:58,000
Speaker 4: your hires man like you, you have to get this right.

3100
02:18:58,120 --> 02:19:00,880
Speaker 4: And even though there's recruiting involved and a lot of

3101
02:19:00,959 --> 02:19:04,160
Speaker 4: things that come into play, you know, you know, we

3102
02:19:04,240 --> 02:19:06,360
Speaker 4: try to take our time on this and be really

3103
02:19:06,440 --> 02:19:08,800
Speaker 4: thorough and and the thing that you know, I was

3104
02:19:09,000 --> 02:19:12,040
Speaker 4: really trying to look for was somebody that would come

3105
02:19:12,080 --> 02:19:14,080
Speaker 4: in and work with the staff that we already had

3106
02:19:14,600 --> 02:19:16,760
Speaker 4: and be willing to really buy into our culture and

3107
02:19:16,840 --> 02:19:18,879
Speaker 4: what we're doing, because you know, it wasn't like someone

3108
02:19:19,080 --> 02:19:20,400
Speaker 4: was going to come in and bring in their staff.

3109
02:19:20,480 --> 02:19:22,240
Speaker 4: And we just won a national championship. We have a

3110
02:19:22,280 --> 02:19:25,000
Speaker 4: great defensive staff, I think the best in the country.

3111
02:19:25,040 --> 02:19:27,400
Speaker 4: And so, you know, I talked to some different guys,

3112
02:19:27,480 --> 02:19:31,119
Speaker 4: but Matt really separated himself one because of his background

3113
02:19:31,160 --> 02:19:33,120
Speaker 4: of i mean, winning Super Bowls and what he did

3114
02:19:33,200 --> 02:19:35,840
Speaker 4: in the NFL, and he's he's a former head coach

3115
02:19:35,920 --> 02:19:39,000
Speaker 4: in the NFL, and he's brilliant in so many different areas.

3116
02:19:39,080 --> 02:19:41,640
Speaker 4: But you know, I knew Matt. You know, he's from

3117
02:19:41,680 --> 02:19:44,520
Speaker 4: the Northeast like me, and so you know, we had

3118
02:19:44,640 --> 02:19:47,480
Speaker 4: you know, we were acquaintances before and but the more

3119
02:19:47,520 --> 02:19:49,320
Speaker 4: time I spent with him, I just realized, like how

3120
02:19:49,400 --> 02:19:52,200
Speaker 4: personable he is, Like he's a family guy, and I

3121
02:19:52,280 --> 02:19:54,200
Speaker 4: felt like he would fit our team and our culture

3122
02:19:54,240 --> 02:19:58,400
Speaker 4: really really well. And it's amazing to me. Like even

3123
02:19:58,440 --> 02:20:00,040
Speaker 4: when all that was going on, like I got a

3124
02:20:00,080 --> 02:20:03,480
Speaker 4: lot of just push pushback, you know, publicly, and like

3125
02:20:03,800 --> 02:20:05,880
Speaker 4: I just think so many people are now realizing what

3126
02:20:05,959 --> 02:20:09,480
Speaker 4: a special person he is. And you know, he's done

3127
02:20:09,480 --> 02:20:10,920
Speaker 4: a great job for the minute he got here and

3128
02:20:10,959 --> 02:20:15,199
Speaker 4: building trust, building relationships. He had certain level of credibility

3129
02:20:15,400 --> 02:20:17,720
Speaker 4: with our guys. You know, he he looks at guys

3130
02:20:17,760 --> 02:20:22,280
Speaker 4: like rvel Rees, Caleb Downs, you know, Kayden Curry, and

3131
02:20:22,879 --> 02:20:25,320
Speaker 4: he says, you know, this guy reminds me of Jamie Collins.

3132
02:20:25,360 --> 02:20:27,440
Speaker 4: This guy's like Ninkovis, this guy's like so and so,

3133
02:20:28,040 --> 02:20:29,960
Speaker 4: and so he kind of plugs them in based on

3134
02:20:30,040 --> 02:20:31,480
Speaker 4: the guys he's had in the past when he was

3135
02:20:31,520 --> 02:20:34,600
Speaker 4: with New England, and our guys just love it.

3136
02:20:34,680 --> 02:20:34,800
Speaker 5: Man.

3137
02:20:34,840 --> 02:20:35,879
Speaker 1: They eat it up that these.

3138
02:20:35,720 --> 02:20:38,440
Speaker 4: Guys love football, they love to compete, and they've just

3139
02:20:38,480 --> 02:20:40,720
Speaker 4: been eating up the football and that's that's what Mattie

3140
02:20:40,800 --> 02:20:41,080
Speaker 4: is man.

3141
02:20:41,120 --> 02:20:41,960
Speaker 1: He loves ball.

3142
02:20:42,320 --> 02:20:44,160
Speaker 4: But he's done a great job building relationships.

3143
02:20:44,280 --> 02:20:46,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, he got a lot. There's a lot of criticism

3144
02:20:46,160 --> 02:20:47,840
Speaker 3: with matt Patricia and if it was going to work

3145
02:20:47,920 --> 02:20:49,959
Speaker 3: him going down to college, but on the offensive side

3146
02:20:49,959 --> 02:20:52,080
Speaker 3: of the ball as well, Chip Kelly he goes from

3147
02:20:52,200 --> 02:20:55,920
Speaker 3: college to the NFL. Obviously, both these both these coordinators

3148
02:20:55,959 --> 02:20:58,320
Speaker 3: have been made a big mistake leave Ohio State. Both

3149
02:20:58,360 --> 02:21:00,800
Speaker 3: of them are potentially out of job at this point.

3150
02:21:01,160 --> 02:21:04,200
Speaker 3: But you take Brian Hartline and he goes from the

3151
02:21:04,200 --> 02:21:06,960
Speaker 3: wide receiver coach to the OC. When we were in

3152
02:21:07,040 --> 02:21:10,360
Speaker 3: a hot in Columbus, we got to meet with Heartline. Energy,

3153
02:21:10,879 --> 02:21:13,720
Speaker 3: very infectious guy. I see him at the Texas Ohio

3154
02:21:13,800 --> 02:21:15,600
Speaker 3: State game. I go to give him a handshake. He

3155
02:21:15,720 --> 02:21:18,080
Speaker 3: looks like he looks daggers through my eyes, like you

3156
02:21:18,160 --> 02:21:20,600
Speaker 3: can go fuck yourself. And there's a lot of question marks,

3157
02:21:20,640 --> 02:21:23,040
Speaker 3: like is this guy gonna be able? He's obviously an

3158
02:21:23,120 --> 02:21:25,480
Speaker 3: incredible recruiter. The way you see the wide receiver room

3159
02:21:25,520 --> 02:21:27,480
Speaker 3: always line up like every great receiver in the NFL

3160
02:21:27,560 --> 02:21:30,119
Speaker 3: right now. Unfortunately went to Ohio State. But if from

3161
02:21:30,120 --> 02:21:32,879
Speaker 3: a play calling standpoint, what was that process like elevating

3162
02:21:32,920 --> 02:21:33,440
Speaker 3: him in house?

3163
02:21:34,040 --> 02:21:36,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, he as you as you can.

3164
02:21:36,600 --> 02:21:38,680
Speaker 4: You can tell. And you know, he's a competitive dude

3165
02:21:39,240 --> 02:21:42,840
Speaker 4: who really maximized every ounce of what he you know,

3166
02:21:42,920 --> 02:21:44,840
Speaker 4: God gave him as a player. You know, he had

3167
02:21:44,879 --> 02:21:47,040
Speaker 4: a great career here at Ohio State and then you know,

3168
02:21:47,080 --> 02:21:48,960
Speaker 4: played for a long time in the NFL. And the

3169
02:21:49,040 --> 02:21:50,880
Speaker 4: only way you do that is by you know, really

3170
02:21:51,000 --> 02:21:57,440
Speaker 4: understanding you know the game, you know how to find edges,

3171
02:21:57,959 --> 02:22:00,240
Speaker 4: and that's that's him. And so you know he done

3172
02:22:00,280 --> 02:22:02,320
Speaker 4: that with the wide receiver group and now, you know,

3173
02:22:02,600 --> 02:22:05,280
Speaker 4: the next progression for him was being a coordinator. And

3174
02:22:05,840 --> 02:22:07,400
Speaker 4: I think a lot of guys just think like being

3175
02:22:07,440 --> 02:22:10,360
Speaker 4: a coordinator is calling plays. That's a big part of it,

3176
02:22:10,800 --> 02:22:12,560
Speaker 4: but so much of it is just the organization of

3177
02:22:12,640 --> 02:22:17,840
Speaker 4: the staff, the motivation, the organization of practice, you know,

3178
02:22:17,959 --> 02:22:20,640
Speaker 4: the messaging, the focus, like everything that comes with that.

3179
02:22:21,520 --> 02:22:24,040
Speaker 4: And so it's been great to be around that and

3180
02:22:24,120 --> 02:22:27,280
Speaker 4: watch it with him. You know, he's got a great

3181
02:22:27,280 --> 02:22:30,400
Speaker 4: staff around him. Tyler Bowen does a tremendous job. Keenan Bailey,

3182
02:22:30,720 --> 02:22:34,840
Speaker 4: Billy Fessler, Carlos Lachlan and and and having Matt on

3183
02:22:34,840 --> 02:22:36,640
Speaker 4: the other side of the ball allows me the opportunity

3184
02:22:36,720 --> 02:22:38,920
Speaker 4: to be there too, and and to help along the way.

3185
02:22:39,080 --> 02:22:41,680
Speaker 4: So I think he's getting better and better at it

3186
02:22:41,720 --> 02:22:44,000
Speaker 4: every day, and you know, certainly we'll have to be

3187
02:22:44,000 --> 02:22:45,199
Speaker 4: at our best here down to stretch.

3188
02:22:45,879 --> 02:22:49,080
Speaker 1: You have a great quarterback in Julian saying, why do

3189
02:22:49,200 --> 02:22:51,760
Speaker 1: you feel like he should be at the Heisman at

3190
02:22:51,800 --> 02:22:54,160
Speaker 1: the Heisman ceremony later this month.

3191
02:22:56,040 --> 02:22:59,120
Speaker 4: Well, I think he has the highest completion percentage ever

3192
02:22:59,200 --> 02:23:01,000
Speaker 4: for a college football or something someone told me.

3193
02:23:01,080 --> 02:23:04,680
Speaker 1: I mean, his accuracy that pretty decent.

3194
02:23:05,440 --> 02:23:08,000
Speaker 3: But hey, there's an argument that he's just throwing routes

3195
02:23:08,000 --> 02:23:10,000
Speaker 3: on air because the receiver have so much damn separation.

3196
02:23:10,920 --> 02:23:13,200
Speaker 3: I mean, the hater and me, that's the hater in

3197
02:23:13,280 --> 02:23:14,720
Speaker 3: me coming out a little bit. He's a great he

3198
02:23:14,800 --> 02:23:16,320
Speaker 3: is obviously a very talented individual.

3199
02:23:16,800 --> 02:23:17,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I get it.

3200
02:23:17,800 --> 02:23:20,400
Speaker 2: I mean, we have great receivers, but that's not his fault,

3201
02:23:20,520 --> 02:23:20,680
Speaker 2: you know.

3202
02:23:20,800 --> 02:23:23,680
Speaker 4: I mean, he's uh, he doesn't miss those throws by much,

3203
02:23:23,760 --> 02:23:27,160
Speaker 4: you know, and like you're you're right, like you know, Carnell,

3204
02:23:27,280 --> 02:23:29,120
Speaker 4: you know, did a great job on that route and

3205
02:23:30,080 --> 02:23:32,680
Speaker 4: the separation even you know Jeremiah's route you know in

3206
02:23:32,720 --> 02:23:34,080
Speaker 4: that game and that shot the other day. But those

3207
02:23:34,120 --> 02:23:36,200
Speaker 4: balls are like on the money, you know. I mean,

3208
02:23:36,240 --> 02:23:39,400
Speaker 4: he's just really really accurate. I think he's got a

3209
02:23:39,480 --> 02:23:43,040
Speaker 4: special gift in terms of his intelligence. You know, being

3210
02:23:43,080 --> 02:23:46,160
Speaker 4: around him every day, he's intelligent. He can he can

3211
02:23:46,200 --> 02:23:50,120
Speaker 4: handle high levels of information fast. And I thought, you know,

3212
02:23:50,200 --> 02:23:52,280
Speaker 4: in the game on the first interception, they did a

3213
02:23:52,320 --> 02:23:55,040
Speaker 4: great job with with with the guys there and and

3214
02:23:55,200 --> 02:23:56,600
Speaker 4: and they got him on that one, but like there

3215
02:23:56,680 --> 02:23:58,560
Speaker 4: was no panic because I know exactly what he saw

3216
02:23:59,400 --> 02:24:01,400
Speaker 4: and you know, he went right back at it. I mean,

3217
02:24:01,440 --> 02:24:05,720
Speaker 4: he's he's got composure and he has a toughness about him.

3218
02:24:06,120 --> 02:24:08,160
Speaker 6: And that was the I think he.

3219
02:24:08,240 --> 02:24:10,320
Speaker 4: Really had only played in the game that was like

3220
02:24:10,400 --> 02:24:12,720
Speaker 4: fifty degrees or colder, had never really played like any

3221
02:24:12,760 --> 02:24:15,280
Speaker 4: kind of elements. Now we've been practicing in it. But

3222
02:24:15,400 --> 02:24:17,640
Speaker 4: for him to handle that with the snow going sideways

3223
02:24:17,680 --> 02:24:20,560
Speaker 4: and just the way he played scrambled for a first

3224
02:24:20,640 --> 02:24:23,960
Speaker 4: down and handle it big third downs, I mean, he

3225
02:24:24,080 --> 02:24:27,320
Speaker 4: was he was excellent on third down. I just think

3226
02:24:27,360 --> 02:24:28,920
Speaker 4: that he's got some special gifts about him.

3227
02:24:29,400 --> 02:24:32,640
Speaker 3: Was there was there a piece of you when we

3228
02:24:32,800 --> 02:24:35,039
Speaker 3: went down and we drove the ball, we kicked three,

3229
02:24:35,600 --> 02:24:38,360
Speaker 3: and then the first throw we get an interception. Was

3230
02:24:38,400 --> 02:24:40,760
Speaker 3: there a piece of you had to be that was like,

3231
02:24:40,959 --> 02:24:46,199
Speaker 3: oh fuck, it's happening again. Of course there was, Yeah, dude,

3232
02:24:46,240 --> 02:24:46,840
Speaker 3: I was thinking this.

3233
02:24:47,000 --> 02:24:49,720
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, we're gonna do it again.

3234
02:24:50,160 --> 02:24:51,880
Speaker 3: And then once we kicked three, I was like, God,

3235
02:24:51,959 --> 02:24:54,279
Speaker 3: damn it, We're never going to score a touchdown this defense.

3236
02:24:54,840 --> 02:24:57,920
Speaker 3: But what was going through your head when that pig happened.

3237
02:24:58,840 --> 02:25:01,840
Speaker 4: Well, the thing that never happened though, is like I

3238
02:25:02,240 --> 02:25:05,160
Speaker 4: just never panicked, and neither did anybody on the on

3239
02:25:05,240 --> 02:25:07,640
Speaker 4: the sideline, because like, there's just a certain level of

3240
02:25:07,680 --> 02:25:11,040
Speaker 4: confidence we had going into this game, and it was like,

3241
02:25:11,400 --> 02:25:13,320
Speaker 4: I can't believe this is happening right now, and that's

3242
02:25:13,320 --> 02:25:14,680
Speaker 4: just all right. Because we wanted to have a fast

3243
02:25:14,680 --> 02:25:17,600
Speaker 4: start in the game, Yeah, that was kind of something

3244
02:25:17,680 --> 02:25:19,560
Speaker 4: that we talked about going in. We always want to

3245
02:25:19,600 --> 02:25:21,160
Speaker 4: do that. Obviously, everyone wants to have a fast start,

3246
02:25:21,200 --> 02:25:22,800
Speaker 4: but it was something that we felt like it was important.

3247
02:25:23,360 --> 02:25:25,600
Speaker 4: So when it didn't go that way, you know, it

3248
02:25:25,760 --> 02:25:28,400
Speaker 4: was like, what the hell's going on right now? But

3249
02:25:29,200 --> 02:25:31,040
Speaker 4: when you went over and you saw what happened on

3250
02:25:31,080 --> 02:25:33,879
Speaker 4: the first run and the defense settled down force three

3251
02:25:34,480 --> 02:25:35,840
Speaker 4: and then the defense to go out there and not

3252
02:25:35,920 --> 02:25:37,680
Speaker 4: panic got all. I mean, they sprinted on the field.

3253
02:25:38,080 --> 02:25:40,280
Speaker 4: They were like, let's go watch this, and they got

3254
02:25:40,320 --> 02:25:42,720
Speaker 4: they got to stop and it's six nothing and it's like, okay,

3255
02:25:42,720 --> 02:25:44,760
Speaker 4: we're all right, let's put a drive together, go right

3256
02:25:44,800 --> 02:25:47,160
Speaker 4: down and score. And at that point, I think just

3257
02:25:47,200 --> 02:25:49,640
Speaker 4: the composure of the team, you know, and it's just

3258
02:25:49,680 --> 02:25:52,280
Speaker 4: the way these guys are, they're way they're wired. Nothing,

3259
02:25:52,480 --> 02:25:57,080
Speaker 4: nothing gets them, you know, rattled and so but but

3260
02:25:57,280 --> 02:25:59,600
Speaker 4: I think, you know, that goes back to our training

3261
02:25:59,640 --> 02:26:02,320
Speaker 4: and confidence that we we had going into the game

3262
02:26:02,400 --> 02:26:04,920
Speaker 4: and what we play with. But to say that, I

3263
02:26:05,000 --> 02:26:05,600
Speaker 4: wasn't like you got.

3264
02:26:08,600 --> 02:26:11,080
Speaker 3: The man when that pick happened, I was like, oh

3265
02:26:11,240 --> 02:26:12,040
Speaker 3: my god, I did.

3266
02:26:12,120 --> 02:26:15,680
Speaker 1: I was sit at home. I was like, oh shit, because.

3267
02:26:15,440 --> 02:26:17,680
Speaker 3: The chaos of I mean, you're you're mourning for the chaos.

3268
02:26:17,720 --> 02:26:20,160
Speaker 3: As a fan of Michigan and playing at Michelle, I'm like,

3269
02:26:20,240 --> 02:26:23,039
Speaker 3: if we can fucking pull this off again, this would

3270
02:26:23,080 --> 02:26:25,039
Speaker 3: be we might never lose again.

3271
02:26:25,120 --> 02:26:27,280
Speaker 1: Yea, we might never lose. I was telling you before

3272
02:26:27,360 --> 02:26:29,920
Speaker 1: I was so I'm so bought into the rivalry now,

3273
02:26:30,080 --> 02:26:33,000
Speaker 1: like obviously you get to see all the fodder, all

3274
02:26:33,080 --> 02:26:35,320
Speaker 1: the ship talking, like you got little kids doing the

3275
02:26:36,400 --> 02:26:39,880
Speaker 1: they're re enacting the flag at school for plays. Like

3276
02:26:39,959 --> 02:26:43,240
Speaker 1: this rivalry is so insane, And I was so bought

3277
02:26:43,280 --> 02:26:45,240
Speaker 1: in because it's like I'm sitting there, I'm in the

3278
02:26:45,280 --> 02:26:47,040
Speaker 1: fox ot you, I'm pulling for my boy. I'm like, Okay,

3279
02:26:47,160 --> 02:26:48,880
Speaker 1: Michigan wins, We'll get to see another year of all

3280
02:26:48,959 --> 02:26:51,960
Speaker 1: these antics, like all this stuff that everybody gets entertained by.

3281
02:26:52,240 --> 02:26:54,560
Speaker 1: But I'm also sitting back, like I know Ohio State

3282
02:26:54,680 --> 02:26:58,360
Speaker 1: is salivating to just beat this team's ass and coach obviously,

3283
02:26:58,440 --> 02:27:01,840
Speaker 1: you're in the business where it's all compartmentalization, goldfish memory.

3284
02:27:02,080 --> 02:27:04,000
Speaker 1: We got the next one. We got Indiana coming up

3285
02:27:04,040 --> 02:27:07,879
Speaker 1: this week. But just the initial emotion when you knew

3286
02:27:07,920 --> 02:27:09,600
Speaker 1: you had that game in the bag, and not only that,

3287
02:27:09,720 --> 02:27:11,600
Speaker 1: but having a twenty play driver where you're kind of

3288
02:27:11,879 --> 02:27:14,160
Speaker 1: pushing it up their ass a little bit and just

3289
02:27:14,280 --> 02:27:16,640
Speaker 1: in a fashion to say it like that, just you

3290
02:27:16,720 --> 02:27:19,840
Speaker 1: know that is what was happening. Yeah, there had to

3291
02:27:20,040 --> 02:27:22,840
Speaker 1: you know, it's almost like kind of not f everybody else,

3292
02:27:22,879 --> 02:27:25,080
Speaker 1: but like I knew we're we're this is what we're

3293
02:27:25,120 --> 02:27:27,120
Speaker 1: capable of doing to this team, and I'm glad we

3294
02:27:27,200 --> 02:27:29,360
Speaker 1: all finally showed up today and did it. Yeah.

3295
02:27:29,800 --> 02:27:31,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean the first thing that came to my

3296
02:27:31,440 --> 02:27:33,920
Speaker 4: mind was why don't we do this last year?

3297
02:27:34,240 --> 02:27:34,440
Speaker 1: Yeah?

3298
02:27:34,879 --> 02:27:37,600
Speaker 4: You know, I mean, I mean, that's that's how crazy

3299
02:27:37,680 --> 02:27:39,200
Speaker 4: my mind works. And that's what I was thinking. It

3300
02:27:39,280 --> 02:27:41,680
Speaker 4: was like, I mean, how the hell did this this

3301
02:27:41,760 --> 02:27:43,200
Speaker 4: happened last year? You know what I mean, that's just

3302
02:27:43,360 --> 02:27:45,560
Speaker 4: because just the way that you know, we took the

3303
02:27:45,640 --> 02:27:48,400
Speaker 4: field and played in that game. You know, it's really

3304
02:27:48,440 --> 02:27:50,840
Speaker 4: how we've done it the last the last twelve months.

3305
02:27:50,959 --> 02:27:53,200
Speaker 4: But you know what, that's life, you know, and and

3306
02:27:54,480 --> 02:27:56,720
Speaker 4: you know, life comes at you sideways times, and it's

3307
02:27:56,720 --> 02:27:59,760
Speaker 4: it's all about how you respond. And and you know,

3308
02:27:59,800 --> 02:28:04,240
Speaker 4: I feel like there's times in that game where you know,

3309
02:28:04,480 --> 02:28:07,400
Speaker 4: just it didn't go our way, and so every year

3310
02:28:07,400 --> 02:28:09,320
Speaker 4: you try to identify what those things are to get

3311
02:28:09,360 --> 02:28:13,360
Speaker 4: them fixed. And and so you know, I often, like

3312
02:28:13,400 --> 02:28:15,840
Speaker 4: I said in the press, Cofference, thought about how, you know,

3313
02:28:15,879 --> 02:28:17,560
Speaker 4: I wanted to respond after the game, but I just

3314
02:28:17,600 --> 02:28:19,160
Speaker 4: felt like it was the right thing to do is

3315
02:28:19,320 --> 02:28:23,000
Speaker 4: just handle it with humility and and celebrate, you know,

3316
02:28:23,040 --> 02:28:25,000
Speaker 4: with our team, with our team in the locker room,

3317
02:28:25,080 --> 02:28:27,120
Speaker 4: and man, it was it was a memorable day in

3318
02:28:27,240 --> 02:28:28,760
Speaker 4: that locker room with with that team.

3319
02:28:29,320 --> 02:28:30,240
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I mean it.

3320
02:28:30,240 --> 02:28:32,600
Speaker 3: Surely had to be. After all, like the noise that

3321
02:28:32,760 --> 02:28:35,920
Speaker 3: took place this time last year, everyone like like Big

3322
02:28:36,280 --> 02:28:41,120
Speaker 3: from barstool and people like, yeah, Ryan Day's not the

3323
02:28:41,200 --> 02:28:43,920
Speaker 3: guy for this team, Like he can't beat Michigan. I

3324
02:28:44,000 --> 02:28:47,400
Speaker 3: think Cooper was also one and four against Michigan. He

3325
02:28:47,480 --> 02:28:50,320
Speaker 3: lost his job. You go win a national championship, Like

3326
02:28:50,840 --> 02:28:55,400
Speaker 3: there had to be borderline tiers getting this essentially off

3327
02:28:55,520 --> 02:28:58,160
Speaker 3: your back after going through all of that ship for

3328
02:28:58,240 --> 02:28:59,400
Speaker 3: the for like the last year.

3329
02:28:59,840 --> 02:29:01,840
Speaker 1: It's just bizarre that I think.

3330
02:29:02,280 --> 02:29:05,120
Speaker 4: But I think also like you know, in today's day

3331
02:29:05,120 --> 02:29:07,080
Speaker 4: and age, you know, there's a lot of things that

3332
02:29:07,200 --> 02:29:11,240
Speaker 4: get said and what you give energy to, you know,

3333
02:29:11,600 --> 02:29:14,960
Speaker 4: you control, and so at the end of the day,

3334
02:29:15,120 --> 02:29:16,400
Speaker 4: like you know, you can.

3335
02:29:16,720 --> 02:29:17,280
Speaker 1: Listen and.

3336
02:29:18,840 --> 02:29:21,160
Speaker 4: You listen to narratives, and you know, people want to

3337
02:29:21,200 --> 02:29:23,400
Speaker 4: run with narratives, and when you're at Ohio State certainly

3338
02:29:23,480 --> 02:29:25,039
Speaker 4: gets a lot of clicks and a lot of attention,

3339
02:29:25,160 --> 02:29:27,160
Speaker 4: and I get what people are trying to do. But

3340
02:29:27,600 --> 02:29:29,440
Speaker 4: like when you know deep down in your heart what's

3341
02:29:29,520 --> 02:29:31,600
Speaker 4: real and what isn't, you got to fight like hell

3342
02:29:31,680 --> 02:29:33,640
Speaker 4: to make sure that you know, you get out there

3343
02:29:33,800 --> 02:29:37,199
Speaker 4: and prove the people that care about your right.

3344
02:29:37,680 --> 02:29:38,879
Speaker 2: And the ones who don't wrong.

3345
02:29:39,160 --> 02:29:41,760
Speaker 4: I mean, that's that's every day, right, and and so

3346
02:29:41,840 --> 02:29:44,040
Speaker 4: that'll be the same thing this week, every game, and

3347
02:29:44,080 --> 02:29:46,320
Speaker 4: every week's an opportunity to prove people right, prove people wrong.

3348
02:29:46,720 --> 02:29:48,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, as I was sitting there, it's like I have

3349
02:29:48,440 --> 02:29:50,400
Speaker 1: my popcorn ready the whole time, because it's like I

3350
02:29:50,560 --> 02:29:52,920
Speaker 1: just want a spectacle. And when you the way you

3351
02:29:53,000 --> 02:29:54,840
Speaker 1: handled it after the game, it was like, oh, I

3352
02:29:54,879 --> 02:29:57,040
Speaker 1: didn't even know. I'm sitting here thinking in my head

3353
02:29:57,120 --> 02:29:59,879
Speaker 1: like what option. Yeah, yeah, this wasn't even an option

3354
02:30:00,040 --> 02:30:01,920
Speaker 1: in my head. And when that happened, I was like, oh, dude,

3355
02:30:02,560 --> 02:30:05,320
Speaker 1: much respect, Like like that was I mean, you got

3356
02:30:05,360 --> 02:30:07,920
Speaker 1: our boy. We got a producer in the back, Mitch Carsley,

3357
02:30:08,200 --> 02:30:11,320
Speaker 1: who's been an Ohio State fan forever and he's kind

3358
02:30:11,360 --> 02:30:13,400
Speaker 1: of gotten you know, he's been a little a little

3359
02:30:13,520 --> 02:30:16,280
Speaker 1: fair weather at times, like not the most on the

3360
02:30:16,320 --> 02:30:18,959
Speaker 1: table for Ohio steaks. Taylor. You got Taylor Michigan man

3361
02:30:19,040 --> 02:30:21,360
Speaker 1: here kind of there's been some bullying going on tour.

3362
02:30:21,360 --> 02:30:23,320
Speaker 1: He didn't feel he felt a little more insecure about

3363
02:30:23,360 --> 02:30:24,959
Speaker 1: being an Ohio State fan because he didn't grow up

3364
02:30:24,959 --> 02:30:27,360
Speaker 1: in Ohio. But the way you handled after the game,

3365
02:30:27,440 --> 02:30:29,680
Speaker 1: it's got Mitch Carsley out here tweet like, I'm so

3366
02:30:29,840 --> 02:30:31,800
Speaker 1: proud to be an Ohio State buck guy. I feel

3367
02:30:31,840 --> 02:30:34,360
Speaker 1: like that's the inspiration. You've kind of spoken to the

3368
02:30:34,480 --> 02:30:36,360
Speaker 1: Ohio State fan base on the way you handled that

3369
02:30:36,440 --> 02:30:37,000
Speaker 1: after the game.

3370
02:30:37,200 --> 02:30:41,000
Speaker 9: Yeah, got this past game, like I like, like Will said,

3371
02:30:41,000 --> 02:30:43,879
Speaker 9: I've been bullied by Will and Taylor and thinking I'm

3372
02:30:44,080 --> 02:30:46,280
Speaker 9: a fair weather Ohio State fan, but I mean grew

3373
02:30:46,400 --> 02:30:49,360
Speaker 9: up going to two youth camps and like getting to

3374
02:30:49,400 --> 02:30:51,560
Speaker 9: meet you guys in person last year, like and actually

3375
02:30:51,680 --> 02:30:53,040
Speaker 9: and at the end of the game, you say we're

3376
02:30:53,080 --> 02:30:53,920
Speaker 9: winning this with humility.

3377
02:30:53,920 --> 02:30:56,080
Speaker 5: I'm like that, that's my head, coach. I just wanted

3378
02:30:56,120 --> 02:31:01,320
Speaker 5: to say thank you, and oh, all right, that's that's

3379
02:31:01,360 --> 02:31:02,000
Speaker 5: pretty You're not.

3380
02:31:02,000 --> 02:31:04,120
Speaker 4: You're not gonna You're not gonna a bully tailor now.

3381
02:31:04,800 --> 02:31:07,640
Speaker 5: No, I will definitely this one will definitely be held

3382
02:31:07,680 --> 02:31:09,879
Speaker 5: over his head as the last four, but held.

3383
02:31:09,920 --> 02:31:13,160
Speaker 3: But you'll do yeah, you'll with class, do it.

3384
02:31:13,160 --> 02:31:16,600
Speaker 9: With class, and like, hey, just know that we do

3385
02:31:16,879 --> 02:31:18,760
Speaker 9: when we win, we do it with humility. We don't

3386
02:31:18,760 --> 02:31:21,360
Speaker 9: have to flag plant or anything like. Just know that

3387
02:31:21,560 --> 02:31:22,119
Speaker 9: that aspect.

3388
02:31:22,200 --> 02:31:24,600
Speaker 1: Show show him how to be a fan. Okay, show

3389
02:31:24,640 --> 02:31:26,120
Speaker 1: him how to be a fan of a winning team.

3390
02:31:26,160 --> 02:31:26,920
Speaker 2: This is what it looks.

3391
02:31:27,120 --> 02:31:29,119
Speaker 3: Let's all just relax. After the game. After the game

3392
02:31:29,240 --> 02:31:32,160
Speaker 3: was over, I texted big ab Ohio, Tate, Leddy, George,

3393
02:31:32,160 --> 02:31:35,879
Speaker 3: and I just said congratulations. I did not text Mitchell Purpose.

3394
02:31:35,920 --> 02:31:37,920
Speaker 3: I was like, fuck this guy, dude, I saw his tweet.

3395
02:31:38,280 --> 02:31:39,879
Speaker 3: But yeah, hey, listen, you got it for me three

3396
02:31:40,080 --> 02:31:43,199
Speaker 3: sixty five. Just wait till next year, though, my right coach.

3397
02:31:43,040 --> 02:31:45,040
Speaker 4: Does right, I know, we got one year and then

3398
02:31:45,080 --> 02:31:45,960
Speaker 4: we'll be back at it again.

3399
02:31:46,080 --> 02:31:49,040
Speaker 3: Are we thinking, are we thinking maybe go to the NFL? Now, Like,

3400
02:31:49,200 --> 02:31:50,680
Speaker 3: let's get you out, let's get you out of there.

3401
02:31:52,200 --> 02:31:53,199
Speaker 1: Let's just beat Indiana.

3402
02:31:54,280 --> 02:31:56,040
Speaker 4: But will I will, I will say this that you know,

3403
02:31:56,240 --> 02:31:58,000
Speaker 4: just finishing up is just so that, like, you know,

3404
02:31:58,480 --> 02:32:01,040
Speaker 4: being the head coach at Ohio State's is a big responsibility.

3405
02:32:01,080 --> 02:32:01,560
Speaker 1: And obviously that.

3406
02:32:01,600 --> 02:32:03,240
Speaker 4: Rivalry game means a lot to a lot of people.

3407
02:32:03,320 --> 02:32:06,920
Speaker 4: So even just to hear you know, the pride, you know,

3408
02:32:06,959 --> 02:32:08,840
Speaker 4: of everybody you know at Ohio State. You know that

3409
02:32:09,000 --> 02:32:11,680
Speaker 4: that's ultimately what this is all about. It's pouring back

3410
02:32:11,720 --> 02:32:14,600
Speaker 4: into people, the players, the coaches, the fans, the supporters.

3411
02:32:14,680 --> 02:32:16,760
Speaker 4: Like that's what comes with this job, and it's a

3412
02:32:16,760 --> 02:32:19,440
Speaker 4: big obligation. And you know, when you come up short,

3413
02:32:19,440 --> 02:32:21,199
Speaker 4: you got to figure out way to get it fixed fast,

3414
02:32:21,840 --> 02:32:24,800
Speaker 4: and so that that's what motivates me and our staff here.

3415
02:32:25,000 --> 02:32:27,520
Speaker 4: So you know, it was a good day, but we

3416
02:32:27,600 --> 02:32:28,640
Speaker 4: got a lot of football ahead of us.

3417
02:32:29,040 --> 02:32:31,960
Speaker 1: Coach. We appreciate you joining us, man, Thank you for

3418
02:32:32,080 --> 02:32:35,080
Speaker 1: your time. Go in the Big Ten. It's gonna be

3419
02:32:35,120 --> 02:32:37,240
Speaker 1: a fun game to watch you guys in Indiana. Both

3420
02:32:37,360 --> 02:32:39,800
Speaker 1: awesome football teams. I can't wait to see how it unfolds.

3421
02:32:40,160 --> 02:32:42,560
Speaker 1: Good luck in the playoff, bro, and maybe we'll see

3422
02:32:42,600 --> 02:32:45,200
Speaker 1: you next year. Maybe you appreciate appreciate you guys.

3423
02:32:45,320 --> 02:32:47,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, appreciate you, coach.

3424
02:32:47,440 --> 02:32:50,320
Speaker 1: Thank you for coming on to you guys. Yes, sir,

3425
02:32:50,840 --> 02:32:56,320
Speaker 1: okay you that was a nice surprise. Yeah did you guys?

3426
02:32:56,400 --> 02:32:57,080
Speaker 3: When did you guys know?

3427
02:32:57,360 --> 02:33:00,240
Speaker 1: I didn't know, Like Ryan came on before. I was like,

3428
02:33:00,280 --> 02:33:02,680
Speaker 1: would you like to have coach day on for twenty

3429
02:33:02,760 --> 02:33:06,040
Speaker 1: minutes before the Cad and diego come on, and he said,

3430
02:33:06,080 --> 02:33:07,360
Speaker 1: just give me a thumbs up or down. I just

3431
02:33:07,400 --> 02:33:09,600
Speaker 1: put thumbs up. I had no clue until we were

3432
02:33:09,640 --> 02:33:10,960
Speaker 1: sitting doing our show already.

3433
02:33:11,400 --> 02:33:15,039
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what, dude. You see all the stuff

3434
02:33:15,120 --> 02:33:17,920
Speaker 3: like the Lou Holtz after the Notre Dame game, the

3435
02:33:18,080 --> 02:33:21,440
Speaker 3: Congress thing, not letting Dave and Columbus and stuff like that,

3436
02:33:22,160 --> 02:33:24,320
Speaker 3: but this year, like I know, him and Pat McAfee

3437
02:33:24,360 --> 02:33:26,880
Speaker 3: had beef, and so he goes on Pat McAfee and

3438
02:33:27,080 --> 02:33:29,880
Speaker 3: for all the things that I said about coach Day. Yeah,

3439
02:33:30,000 --> 02:33:32,680
Speaker 3: and then him to come on two days after and

3440
02:33:33,320 --> 02:33:35,600
Speaker 3: you know, his ass is just quiet in the back

3441
02:33:35,600 --> 02:33:37,760
Speaker 3: of his head, like this motherfucker, like you gotta look

3442
02:33:37,760 --> 02:33:38,320
Speaker 3: at me in the eyes.

3443
02:33:39,160 --> 02:33:39,760
Speaker 1: Got his receipts.

3444
02:33:39,800 --> 02:33:42,200
Speaker 3: He's got his receipts. And I'll tell you what do

3445
02:33:42,440 --> 02:33:46,800
Speaker 3: I like Ryan Day? I guess maybe more than anything.

3446
02:33:46,840 --> 02:33:49,840
Speaker 3: I respect Ryan Day, I respect Brian Harline, Matt Patricia, Like,

3447
02:33:51,160 --> 02:33:53,080
Speaker 3: say what you want about that game. Like I didn't

3448
02:33:53,080 --> 02:33:55,160
Speaker 3: even bring up the touchback. Was it a touchback? Wasn't

3449
02:33:55,160 --> 02:33:57,199
Speaker 3: non a touchback? Because even if it was a touchback

3450
02:33:57,720 --> 02:33:59,800
Speaker 3: that it did not that would not have changed the game.

3451
02:34:00,360 --> 02:34:03,879
Speaker 3: So yeah, they beat our ass. Man, they beat our

3452
02:34:03,920 --> 02:34:05,360
Speaker 3: ass and I thought I was gonna have I had

3453
02:34:05,440 --> 02:34:07,920
Speaker 3: no choice but the respect but to respect coach Day

3454
02:34:07,920 --> 02:34:08,040
Speaker 3: for that.

3455
02:34:08,120 --> 02:34:09,720
Speaker 1: I thought I was gonna have to get knee pads

3456
02:34:09,760 --> 02:34:11,320
Speaker 1: for you there for a second the way.

3457
02:34:11,200 --> 02:34:13,600
Speaker 3: You was, yeah, that's that's a fun way to take it,

3458
02:34:13,720 --> 02:34:16,600
Speaker 3: but really it is like it's just like, dude, hey,

3459
02:34:17,320 --> 02:34:21,120
Speaker 3: he myself, myself, Dave, A bunch of people have said

3460
02:34:21,200 --> 02:34:23,880
Speaker 3: so many nasty things about him, and for him to

3461
02:34:23,959 --> 02:34:27,240
Speaker 3: just quietly go sixteen and oh and take keep taking

3462
02:34:27,280 --> 02:34:29,240
Speaker 3: on the chin for three to sixty five days then

3463
02:34:29,320 --> 02:34:32,040
Speaker 3: come on our show, it's like, yeah, dude, I I

3464
02:34:32,240 --> 02:34:34,680
Speaker 3: I have to essentially pay the piper and be like, hey,

3465
02:34:34,840 --> 02:34:37,320
Speaker 3: I said all these things, you've proven me wrong and

3466
02:34:37,400 --> 02:34:40,840
Speaker 3: I respect that, and oh yeah, dude, I mean there's

3467
02:34:40,879 --> 02:34:42,880
Speaker 3: no worlse can I say, hey, you're hey fuck you.

3468
02:34:43,120 --> 02:34:45,400
Speaker 3: It's like, okay that my team just lost twenty seven

3469
02:34:45,440 --> 02:34:48,440
Speaker 3: and nine and it was not even close compared to

3470
02:34:48,480 --> 02:34:50,440
Speaker 3: twenty seven night when may there be like, now, fuck

3471
02:34:50,480 --> 02:34:52,560
Speaker 3: you Ryan Day, You're still born third base, Like yeah,

3472
02:34:52,560 --> 02:34:54,279
Speaker 3: he was born on third base, but he still elevated

3473
02:34:54,320 --> 02:34:56,720
Speaker 3: his team and that sucks.

3474
02:34:56,920 --> 02:34:58,720
Speaker 1: There was that article two that I was telling you

3475
02:34:58,720 --> 02:35:00,440
Speaker 1: about that came out of last week or a couple

3476
02:35:00,480 --> 02:35:02,400
Speaker 1: of weeks ago, where it talks about the standard that

3477
02:35:02,520 --> 02:35:06,000
Speaker 1: Jim Tressel set. Urban Meyer comes in kind of holds

3478
02:35:06,080 --> 02:35:08,480
Speaker 1: that same standard, raises the bar. And then it's like

3479
02:35:08,600 --> 02:35:10,280
Speaker 1: Ryan Day who comes in who had had a head

3480
02:35:10,320 --> 02:35:13,720
Speaker 1: coaching job, and this is a guy that's not going

3481
02:35:13,800 --> 02:35:15,960
Speaker 1: to be able to keep the same expectation. And the

3482
02:35:16,160 --> 02:35:20,279
Speaker 1: article basically said everybody was right. He didn't keep that expectation.

3483
02:35:20,440 --> 02:35:22,560
Speaker 1: He elevated it because he's like the most winning is

3484
02:35:22,680 --> 02:35:25,840
Speaker 1: Ohio State head football coach in his tenure so far

3485
02:35:26,000 --> 02:35:26,720
Speaker 1: at Ohio State.

3486
02:35:27,040 --> 02:35:30,280
Speaker 3: And I mean you see the recruiting class, they're one

3487
02:35:30,320 --> 02:35:32,879
Speaker 3: and two every year they crossed the portal Like that's

3488
02:35:32,920 --> 02:35:35,480
Speaker 3: not stopping anytime soon. That's why in this video that

3489
02:35:35,520 --> 02:35:37,160
Speaker 3: I made after the Hosta Image game, it's like, hey,

3490
02:35:37,160 --> 02:35:41,960
Speaker 3: if you're Michigan, unfortunately the standard is your rival and

3491
02:35:42,080 --> 02:35:44,000
Speaker 3: that's a shitty position for you for you to be in,

3492
02:35:44,080 --> 02:35:47,080
Speaker 3: so you have to if we have the resources, now

3493
02:35:47,240 --> 02:35:49,680
Speaker 3: is the time to funnel in all of those resources

3494
02:35:50,000 --> 02:35:55,080
Speaker 3: into having a team with similar talented players and scheme

3495
02:35:55,320 --> 02:35:58,120
Speaker 3: and clock management, all those things like it you have

3496
02:35:58,280 --> 02:36:00,520
Speaker 3: to make a decision now to do that or you're

3497
02:36:00,520 --> 02:36:01,400
Speaker 3: gonna get less than the dust.

3498
02:36:01,400 --> 02:36:02,680
Speaker 9: I feel like you guys weren't. It's not like you

3499
02:36:02,720 --> 02:36:06,520
Speaker 9: guys are an untalented team, like you're just very you're

3500
02:36:06,520 --> 02:36:09,760
Speaker 9: just very young, because I mean last year they yeah, nine.

3501
02:36:09,680 --> 02:36:11,440
Speaker 1: And three, but like we'll see what happened to the boys.

3502
02:36:12,959 --> 02:36:15,039
Speaker 3: We're the youngest team in the Big Ten, like were

3503
02:36:15,040 --> 02:36:16,360
Speaker 3: the We're the youngest team in the Big Ten. That

3504
02:36:16,400 --> 02:36:18,480
Speaker 3: all those things are going for us, But to see

3505
02:36:19,520 --> 02:36:22,240
Speaker 3: the offense kind of sputter, like you want to see

3506
02:36:22,440 --> 02:36:24,360
Speaker 3: grow throughout the year. And there's a lot of times

3507
02:36:24,440 --> 02:36:28,520
Speaker 3: like Michigan should not be kicking a field goal to

3508
02:36:28,800 --> 02:36:32,840
Speaker 3: win as the clock striking zero against Northwestern. We shouldn't

3509
02:36:32,879 --> 02:36:35,560
Speaker 3: be in these types of dog fights, like yeah, we're

3510
02:36:35,640 --> 02:36:37,640
Speaker 3: we had a very talented team this year, Like there's

3511
02:36:37,640 --> 02:36:40,039
Speaker 3: it with six six freshman offensive lot or six freshmen

3512
02:36:40,120 --> 02:36:42,280
Speaker 3: starting on the offense, a lot of young talent in

3513
02:36:42,280 --> 02:36:45,920
Speaker 3: the back end of our defense. But like you could

3514
02:36:46,000 --> 02:36:49,039
Speaker 3: see the different levels of what's taking place from how

3515
02:36:49,040 --> 02:36:50,640
Speaker 3: to say Michigan and it sucks to say, like I

3516
02:36:51,000 --> 02:36:53,160
Speaker 3: am a Michigan guy, like I'm a guy that supports

3517
02:36:53,200 --> 02:36:55,560
Speaker 3: and loves Michigan, but like you have to be able

3518
02:36:55,640 --> 02:36:57,920
Speaker 3: to look at these things objectively and be like this

3519
02:36:58,080 --> 02:37:01,680
Speaker 3: is the reality. Like Payton said it best on his show,

3520
02:37:01,879 --> 02:37:04,440
Speaker 3: Like every team that's in the top ten have given

3521
02:37:04,440 --> 02:37:07,680
Speaker 3: you question marks throughout the season. All Hoilo State has

3522
02:37:07,680 --> 02:37:10,879
Speaker 3: done is given you answers, and that that's the reality,

3523
02:37:11,040 --> 02:37:12,720
Speaker 3: Like that that is the team to beat in the

3524
02:37:12,760 --> 02:37:13,720
Speaker 3: in the National Championship.

3525
02:37:14,200 --> 02:37:16,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I look, I love your guys' rivalry so

3526
02:37:17,120 --> 02:37:20,320
Speaker 1: much because it's just so bizarre that you can win

3527
02:37:20,400 --> 02:37:23,960
Speaker 1: a Natty, but there's almost a real feeling of like

3528
02:37:24,480 --> 02:37:26,960
Speaker 1: it doesn't count because you didn't beat Michigan, right, and

3529
02:37:27,080 --> 02:37:29,960
Speaker 1: Taylor's second, we got to reload, Like the the standard

3530
02:37:30,120 --> 02:37:33,920
Speaker 1: is Ohio State, like beating it's just winning that game.

3531
02:37:34,560 --> 02:37:38,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you could legit go you could go one

3532
02:37:38,080 --> 02:37:39,119
Speaker 3: in eleven.

3533
02:37:38,879 --> 02:37:41,400
Speaker 5: As long as that one wins against Ohio State or Michigan.

3534
02:37:41,480 --> 02:37:42,200
Speaker 5: You do not care.

3535
02:37:42,400 --> 02:37:44,480
Speaker 3: You can go one and eleven at Michigan Ohio State

3536
02:37:44,520 --> 02:37:47,280
Speaker 3: and if you beat Michigan or you beat Ohio State,

3537
02:37:47,440 --> 02:37:49,000
Speaker 3: like it's all good.

3538
02:37:49,400 --> 02:37:51,959
Speaker 5: You said you said you beat Ohio State one time.

3539
02:37:52,080 --> 02:37:54,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was one in three against Ohio State. It

3540
02:37:54,720 --> 02:37:58,400
Speaker 3: was when Tressel got fired because of the allegations or

3541
02:37:58,440 --> 02:38:01,320
Speaker 3: he like stepped away and was it looke fickle he

3542
02:38:01,480 --> 02:38:01,879
Speaker 3: took over.

3543
02:38:02,360 --> 02:38:05,560
Speaker 9: I'm wondering, like as like a because you you guys

3544
02:38:05,600 --> 02:38:07,959
Speaker 9: don't do gold pants, right, No, we don't do nothing.

3545
02:38:08,240 --> 02:38:09,480
Speaker 5: But like obviously it's the.

3546
02:38:09,480 --> 02:38:14,160
Speaker 9: Biggest rivalry in football, Like what is like that feeling afterwards?

3547
02:38:14,320 --> 02:38:16,520
Speaker 9: Like did you were like, holy shit, we beat Ohio State.

3548
02:38:16,680 --> 02:38:19,680
Speaker 3: Dude, we stormed, We stormed the field. I remember, I'm

3549
02:38:19,720 --> 02:38:24,039
Speaker 3: like looking around like this is incredible. And like Chris Brown,

3550
02:38:24,080 --> 02:38:25,440
Speaker 3: my boy who played on the hockey team, he like

3551
02:38:25,440 --> 02:38:26,920
Speaker 3: grabs my shoulder. Bads were like hogging.

3552
02:38:27,480 --> 02:38:27,720
Speaker 2: It is.

3553
02:38:28,000 --> 02:38:29,800
Speaker 3: It's the best feeling in the world. It is the

3554
02:38:29,920 --> 02:38:32,680
Speaker 3: best feeling in the world to beat that team. Because literally,

3555
02:38:32,800 --> 02:38:35,720
Speaker 3: since you're since you step on campus, every single day

3556
02:38:36,280 --> 02:38:39,680
Speaker 3: you're something is mentioned about Ohio State. It's on o'clock

3557
02:38:39,760 --> 02:38:41,920
Speaker 3: when you walk in, it's in the locker room. Like

3558
02:38:42,720 --> 02:38:45,160
Speaker 3: I love that there's no trophy. I love that it's

3559
02:38:45,240 --> 02:38:47,840
Speaker 3: just like hatred, like we hate each other. I'm not

3560
02:38:47,920 --> 02:38:51,360
Speaker 3: even sure how, but like we just hate each other

3561
02:38:51,480 --> 02:38:54,120
Speaker 3: and you're just you drink the kool aid the minute

3562
02:38:54,160 --> 02:38:55,959
Speaker 3: you walk in. It's the only thing that matters every

3563
02:38:55,959 --> 02:38:58,560
Speaker 3: single year. Like Michigan State is an afterthought, Like I

3564
02:38:58,600 --> 02:39:00,800
Speaker 3: went and one and three against Michigan State, even going

3565
02:39:00,840 --> 02:39:02,960
Speaker 3: one three AGAINDS like years are an afterthought compared to

3566
02:39:03,120 --> 02:39:08,640
Speaker 3: Oha State. It's just nuts, bro, It's fucking nuts. But

3567
02:39:08,800 --> 02:39:15,560
Speaker 3: yeah they are with their exclamation point percentage out fifteen

3568
02:39:15,560 --> 02:39:16,039
Speaker 3: minutes out?

3569
02:39:16,080 --> 02:39:16,320
Speaker 1: Got it?

3570
02:39:18,400 --> 02:39:24,840
Speaker 3: What the fuck happened? I don't know, brother, that was crazy?

3571
02:39:25,520 --> 02:39:31,520
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, they look Nebraska was I had a parlay

3572
02:39:32,320 --> 02:39:36,360
Speaker 9: going for Friday. Nebraska was the only leg to not hit.

3573
02:39:36,920 --> 02:39:38,480
Speaker 9: And it's getting to the point where it's like, yes,

3574
02:39:38,680 --> 02:39:41,920
Speaker 9: like I love you will, but like Nebraska is getting

3575
02:39:41,920 --> 02:39:43,320
Speaker 9: to the point where they're on the no bet list

3576
02:39:43,560 --> 02:39:46,640
Speaker 9: because they the amount of parlays I've lost from just them,

3577
02:39:47,440 --> 02:39:49,800
Speaker 9: It's like, look.

3578
02:39:49,640 --> 02:39:52,080
Speaker 1: I understand it. And if I'm you on, piss off too.

3579
02:39:52,080 --> 02:39:53,640
Speaker 1: If I'm you on putting them on the no bet

3580
02:39:53,680 --> 02:39:57,840
Speaker 1: list too, we have to earn your trust back, and

3581
02:39:58,040 --> 02:39:59,480
Speaker 1: unfortunately it's not gonna happen.

3582
02:40:00,920 --> 02:40:01,040
Speaker 2: Uh.

3583
02:40:01,800 --> 02:40:09,240
Speaker 1: The Bowl game, Oh, the Bowl game is everything.

3584
02:40:09,440 --> 02:40:11,400
Speaker 3: Bowl games don't matter for nothing.

3585
02:40:11,560 --> 02:40:15,000
Speaker 1: We might begin to I've heard rumors of potential Music

3586
02:40:15,080 --> 02:40:15,920
Speaker 1: City Bowl yeah.

3587
02:40:15,920 --> 02:40:17,680
Speaker 3: I think there was an article that came out that.

3588
02:40:18,160 --> 02:40:19,880
Speaker 1: I haven't seen articles like I've just had a couple

3589
02:40:19,879 --> 02:40:21,920
Speaker 1: of buddies texts like one's.

3590
02:40:21,480 --> 02:40:24,400
Speaker 5: It like projected right now it's Tennessee and Nebraska.

3591
02:40:25,080 --> 02:40:27,840
Speaker 1: I had a buddy text from Missouri being like, hey,

3592
02:40:27,879 --> 02:40:30,000
Speaker 1: it's looking like it could be Missoo and Nebraska and

3593
02:40:30,040 --> 02:40:32,320
Speaker 1: the Music City Bowl. I have no clue. I haven't

3594
02:40:32,320 --> 02:40:35,640
Speaker 1: looked at the list. It's dude, it's been brutal. It

3595
02:40:35,760 --> 02:40:39,920
Speaker 1: was brutal to watch. I don't know, man, I don't

3596
02:40:39,920 --> 02:40:41,600
Speaker 1: I don't have a whole lot of answers for you.

3597
02:40:42,280 --> 02:40:45,920
Speaker 1: It's it wasn't good enough. We're sitting here seven and

3598
02:40:46,040 --> 02:40:49,000
Speaker 1: five at the end of the year, failure of a season.

3599
02:40:51,360 --> 02:40:53,640
Speaker 1: I don't know. There's usually hope and optimism that I

3600
02:40:53,720 --> 02:40:59,039
Speaker 1: have to latch onto, and there hasn't been any over

3601
02:40:59,080 --> 02:41:01,240
Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks. Like we got killed from

3602
02:41:01,320 --> 02:41:03,240
Speaker 1: Penn State. But if you come out you beat Iowa,

3603
02:41:03,840 --> 02:41:06,720
Speaker 1: don't matter, not that it doesn't matter, but you finish

3604
02:41:06,840 --> 02:41:09,120
Speaker 1: off eight and four, you have some again, some hope

3605
02:41:09,120 --> 02:41:11,400
Speaker 1: and optimism on this team turning it around. Because I

3606
02:41:11,440 --> 02:41:13,560
Speaker 1: want to say, our record has been very poor in

3607
02:41:13,680 --> 02:41:18,200
Speaker 1: the month of November, probably different variables going on. And defensively, man,

3608
02:41:18,280 --> 02:41:20,920
Speaker 1: it's just it sucks to watch the way we are

3609
02:41:21,000 --> 02:41:24,160
Speaker 1: performing defensively. Yeah. I want to say over the last

3610
02:41:24,200 --> 02:41:27,120
Speaker 1: two games, like Penn State and Iowa traveled in our

3611
02:41:27,160 --> 02:41:29,959
Speaker 1: red zone like ten times and they scored nine of ten.

3612
02:41:32,120 --> 02:41:34,480
Speaker 1: Been poor and run defense. I want to say we're

3613
02:41:34,480 --> 02:41:36,480
Speaker 1: in the triple digits as far as rankings go.

3614
02:41:38,000 --> 02:41:40,040
Speaker 9: Do you think do you think if you guys won

3615
02:41:40,200 --> 02:41:44,840
Speaker 9: like two more games, Emma Johnson would like be invited

3616
02:41:44,840 --> 02:41:46,480
Speaker 9: to New York and have a legit chance of winning.

3617
02:41:46,760 --> 02:41:49,440
Speaker 1: I don't think New York, you know, a legit chance

3618
02:41:49,480 --> 02:41:52,200
Speaker 1: of winning. I'm sure he's up for like the Running

3619
02:41:52,240 --> 02:41:53,920
Speaker 1: Back Award and everything else as he should be. I

3620
02:41:53,959 --> 02:41:56,880
Speaker 1: think he's an absolute stud. Like running the football, catching

3621
02:41:56,920 --> 02:41:59,160
Speaker 1: the football, he does everything for Nebraska's offense.

3622
02:41:59,200 --> 02:42:01,560
Speaker 3: Hey, real quick, don't you don't get off this conversation.

3623
02:42:01,600 --> 02:42:03,120
Speaker 3: I don't want to keep talking about Nebraska. I just

3624
02:42:03,200 --> 02:42:06,920
Speaker 3: got a piece so bad, okay, okay, And.

3625
02:42:07,040 --> 02:42:10,840
Speaker 5: He had what it's one seventy at halftime?

3626
02:42:11,480 --> 02:42:13,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm crazy, Like he plays dude, we're

3627
02:42:13,680 --> 02:42:15,320
Speaker 1: gonna miss him. I think he's gonna probably go to

3628
02:42:15,360 --> 02:42:17,320
Speaker 1: the league hopefully. I mean, if he stays, that's great.

3629
02:42:18,520 --> 02:42:20,680
Speaker 1: It'll it'll always be interesting for guys who are mid

3630
02:42:20,800 --> 02:42:22,760
Speaker 1: round or lower round and n I L like, do

3631
02:42:22,879 --> 02:42:26,080
Speaker 1: you stay for another year? Get X amount more dollars playing?

3632
02:42:26,160 --> 02:42:27,560
Speaker 1: But as a running back, do you only have so

3633
02:42:27,640 --> 02:42:28,680
Speaker 1: much tread on the tire?

3634
02:42:29,400 --> 02:42:29,600
Speaker 4: You do?

3635
02:42:29,840 --> 02:42:32,960
Speaker 1: Like the ultimate goal is NFL and you're in the

3636
02:42:33,080 --> 02:42:37,160
Speaker 1: NFL second contract. As far as financials and everything else goes, Uh,

3637
02:42:37,480 --> 02:42:40,879
Speaker 1: we'll see what he does. You got the portal stuff

3638
02:42:40,920 --> 02:42:42,640
Speaker 1: with Roola happening, Yeah, gonna.

3639
02:42:42,440 --> 02:42:44,200
Speaker 5: As we talked about. Did we talk about that last week?

3640
02:42:44,240 --> 02:42:45,320
Speaker 5: Or is that news this week?

3641
02:42:46,440 --> 02:42:47,959
Speaker 1: Dude? The last week of such a blur.

3642
02:42:48,320 --> 02:42:50,480
Speaker 5: I think I think it was news this week.

3643
02:42:50,560 --> 02:42:53,040
Speaker 1: But yeah, it started to become news a little bit

3644
02:42:53,120 --> 02:42:54,840
Speaker 1: last week, and now it's gonna be it. I mean

3645
02:42:54,879 --> 02:42:56,800
Speaker 1: it's gonna be news. I don't know what articles been

3646
02:42:56,840 --> 02:42:57,400
Speaker 1: written out there.

3647
02:42:57,440 --> 02:42:58,680
Speaker 5: What are you hearing from the inside?

3648
02:42:59,200 --> 02:43:00,720
Speaker 1: Oh wait, till tall like a back on because I'm

3649
02:43:00,720 --> 02:43:03,920
Speaker 1: sure he'll want to ask questions about that. But yeah, dude,

3650
02:43:03,920 --> 02:43:05,920
Speaker 1: I mean, we got pummeled and it sucked.

3651
02:43:06,640 --> 02:43:10,160
Speaker 5: Fit was that Iowa was high scoring game all season

3652
02:43:10,320 --> 02:43:11,200
Speaker 5: by like a.

3653
02:43:11,280 --> 02:43:14,920
Speaker 1: Lot Yeah, in the Iowahaw guys man like they own

3654
02:43:15,000 --> 02:43:18,640
Speaker 1: us ten of the last eleven and you can't you know,

3655
02:43:18,680 --> 02:43:20,840
Speaker 1: there ain't gonna be like I'll be talking my ship

3656
02:43:21,000 --> 02:43:24,280
Speaker 1: next year when it comes. But it's one where you

3657
02:43:24,400 --> 02:43:26,280
Speaker 1: just gotta you just gotta tip your cap to him

3658
02:43:26,480 --> 02:43:28,520
Speaker 1: like they beat the rest. They are big, bro, there's

3659
02:43:28,600 --> 02:43:32,360
Speaker 1: no defense of the border, you know. George Kittle, he was,

3660
02:43:32,480 --> 02:43:34,760
Speaker 1: he was, He was hitting me up right away. Bruce Kittle,

3661
02:43:34,840 --> 02:43:36,760
Speaker 1: his dad's hit me up. I got the whole family,

3662
02:43:36,840 --> 02:43:37,680
Speaker 1: the Kittles hit me.

3663
02:43:37,760 --> 02:43:39,240
Speaker 5: Up about Robert Gallery.

3664
02:43:40,080 --> 02:43:43,640
Speaker 1: Robert Gallery. He's texting me. I forget what he said.

3665
02:43:43,640 --> 02:43:46,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, buddy, you need to take me to you

3666
02:43:46,160 --> 02:43:48,280
Speaker 1: need to take me on one of your what's it,

3667
02:43:48,400 --> 02:43:52,760
Speaker 1: what's the trip called? No be Gallery?

3668
02:43:52,879 --> 02:43:53,240
Speaker 6: Hit me up.

3669
02:43:53,240 --> 02:43:54,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, buddy, you gotta take me on one of

3670
02:43:54,600 --> 02:43:57,119
Speaker 1: your eye again trips like the trauma on PTSD I'm

3671
02:43:57,120 --> 02:43:59,959
Speaker 1: gonna have from these Iowa guys, like next one, next

3672
02:44:00,200 --> 02:44:02,760
Speaker 1: one that you host I need to be on. Yeah,

3673
02:44:03,360 --> 02:44:05,680
Speaker 1: he'd be puking my guts up, puking my pain and

3674
02:44:05,840 --> 02:44:08,400
Speaker 1: losses out from just the way we've been just getting

3675
02:44:08,520 --> 02:44:09,520
Speaker 1: pummeled these last.

3676
02:44:09,360 --> 02:44:12,120
Speaker 3: Two d The shitty thing too, is like this was

3677
02:44:12,200 --> 02:44:13,199
Speaker 3: your three of Matt Ruhle.

3678
02:44:13,680 --> 02:44:18,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, we were trending that way starting QB broke his leg. Yeah,

3679
02:44:18,600 --> 02:44:19,960
Speaker 1: I'm not here to make excuses.

3680
02:44:20,040 --> 02:44:23,280
Speaker 9: You were talking Taylor when you were off the the

3681
02:44:23,440 --> 02:44:28,480
Speaker 9: noise and everything of uh Rayola transferring if will was

3682
02:44:28,520 --> 02:44:30,160
Speaker 9: hearing anything on the inside, but he wanted to wait

3683
02:44:30,200 --> 02:44:31,320
Speaker 9: till you got back on.

3684
02:44:31,640 --> 02:44:34,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, we are you willing to say on? I know

3685
02:44:34,800 --> 02:44:35,760
Speaker 3: you've had conversations.

3686
02:44:36,240 --> 02:44:37,920
Speaker 1: Oh you didn't even know by the fight for this

3687
02:44:38,000 --> 02:44:40,000
Speaker 1: program harder than Willy. See, I know you know I'm

3688
02:44:40,080 --> 02:44:40,440
Speaker 1: on the end.

3689
02:44:40,520 --> 02:44:42,200
Speaker 3: You know I'm in there right. I'm saying we have

3690
02:44:42,280 --> 02:44:44,440
Speaker 3: microphones on price. I know that if we were microphones

3691
02:44:44,480 --> 02:44:45,800
Speaker 3: were off, you would tell me everything. Are you do

3692
02:44:45,879 --> 02:44:46,960
Speaker 3: you want to talk about that?

3693
02:44:48,160 --> 02:44:52,560
Speaker 1: On this I think he's going to be looking at options. Uh.

3694
02:44:52,840 --> 02:44:55,920
Speaker 1: From the standpoint of Detective Willie and all the stuff

3695
02:44:55,959 --> 02:44:58,879
Speaker 1: that was going on last week, it's in my mind

3696
02:44:58,920 --> 02:45:02,240
Speaker 1: when that Rayola stuff came out on Nebraska is bracing

3697
02:45:02,360 --> 02:45:06,040
Speaker 1: themselves to lose rail in the portal, and then I'm

3698
02:45:06,080 --> 02:45:07,800
Speaker 1: hearing all it's coming from the inside of Nebraska, and

3699
02:45:07,800 --> 02:45:12,680
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, dude, bullshit, what is the upside for Nebraska

3700
02:45:12,760 --> 02:45:16,560
Speaker 1: to want a leak or have any article written about

3701
02:45:17,120 --> 02:45:21,879
Speaker 1: their star quarterback, their starting quarterback. Yeah, that he's going

3702
02:45:21,959 --> 02:45:25,119
Speaker 1: to be available to the college football world two days

3703
02:45:25,800 --> 02:45:29,360
Speaker 1: before we play the Alwahaw. Guys, Like, in no world

3704
02:45:29,520 --> 02:45:33,160
Speaker 1: would Nebraska have that article get out there, especially for

3705
02:45:33,240 --> 02:45:37,880
Speaker 1: it to be phrased and framed that Nebraska is bracing Like, basically,

3706
02:45:37,920 --> 02:45:41,240
Speaker 1: I'm hearing from sources that article had zero credibility and

3707
02:45:41,280 --> 02:45:44,480
Speaker 1: substance because there was no quotes from anybody on the inside.

3708
02:45:44,520 --> 02:45:46,760
Speaker 1: It was just pure speculation. Or I've talked to a

3709
02:45:46,800 --> 02:45:49,360
Speaker 1: couple guys like, No, who who have you talked to?

3710
02:45:49,879 --> 02:45:53,520
Speaker 1: And this is the same gentleman. I forget his name,

3711
02:45:54,240 --> 02:45:58,280
Speaker 1: but it might be Chris something with a C. Chris Hummer.

3712
02:45:58,840 --> 02:46:01,640
Speaker 1: I think Chris Hummer. This it's the same gentleman that

3713
02:46:01,879 --> 02:46:07,200
Speaker 1: was on top of the It's the same gentleman that

3714
02:46:07,320 --> 02:46:10,880
Speaker 1: was on top of the leak of Raola potentially shopping

3715
02:46:10,959 --> 02:46:14,080
Speaker 1: in the portal last year being connected to the Miami Hurricanes.

3716
02:46:14,400 --> 02:46:16,800
Speaker 1: Chris Hummer at that story and that came out of

3717
02:46:16,879 --> 02:46:19,640
Speaker 1: left field that Dylan was shopping or that Dylan was

3718
02:46:19,720 --> 02:46:21,840
Speaker 1: kind of testing the portal a little bit, but Chris

3719
02:46:21,920 --> 02:46:23,600
Speaker 1: Hummer was on top of that one, and nobody else

3720
02:46:23,680 --> 02:46:27,520
Speaker 1: knew about that rumor other than Chris Hummer. And it's like,

3721
02:46:27,720 --> 02:46:30,760
Speaker 1: oh yeah, but they need to be focused on it. No, Bro,

3722
02:46:31,640 --> 02:46:34,680
Speaker 1: that leak got out last year because you're leveraging for

3723
02:46:34,800 --> 02:46:37,760
Speaker 1: more NIL money from Nebraska, which Dylan did get. And

3724
02:46:37,840 --> 02:46:41,040
Speaker 1: I'm all about the players getting paid. I'm all about

3725
02:46:41,080 --> 02:46:43,240
Speaker 1: these games. It's just don't make it seem like it's

3726
02:46:43,280 --> 02:46:46,440
Speaker 1: coming from inside Nebraska. But it's clearly not. Same guy

3727
02:46:46,560 --> 02:46:49,640
Speaker 1: was on the rumor last year with Raylan Miami and

3728
02:46:49,720 --> 02:46:53,400
Speaker 1: the portal that you know you're leveraging it up. Yeah,

3729
02:46:53,440 --> 02:46:55,400
Speaker 1: Adam Wells wrote Bleacher Report article.

3730
02:46:55,240 --> 02:46:57,800
Speaker 3: But he's Adam Wells, not a c to be seen.

3731
02:46:58,720 --> 02:47:01,039
Speaker 1: Yeah. But then also when this one come out, it's

3732
02:47:01,080 --> 02:47:04,240
Speaker 1: like this thing like this ain't coming from Nebraska football.

3733
02:47:04,320 --> 02:47:08,000
Speaker 1: I promise you that so, and I respect the games

3734
02:47:08,080 --> 02:47:09,920
Speaker 1: being played, but let's not act like, let's not all

3735
02:47:09,959 --> 02:47:11,520
Speaker 1: sit here and act like it's coming from inside the

3736
02:47:11,600 --> 02:47:15,160
Speaker 1: Nebraska building. It's not. Yeah, let's not make shit up

3737
02:47:15,440 --> 02:47:18,120
Speaker 1: and words and optics matter in that game, you know what.

3738
02:47:18,120 --> 02:47:19,840
Speaker 1: I'm sitting here like we've been in the league, we've

3739
02:47:19,879 --> 02:47:24,480
Speaker 1: been in, we've been in contract negotiations, framework reports coming

3740
02:47:24,560 --> 02:47:27,600
Speaker 1: out from certain guys, like all of that stuff matters.

3741
02:47:28,520 --> 02:47:31,000
Speaker 1: If it's coming out from Nebraska side, it's probably gonna

3742
02:47:31,000 --> 02:47:34,959
Speaker 1: come out from what Pete Nacos, I believe, or whenever

3743
02:47:35,040 --> 02:47:36,240
Speaker 1: he was on top of all the rules.

3744
02:47:36,280 --> 02:47:38,720
Speaker 3: So do you think this is Dylan doing this? Do

3745
02:47:38,760 --> 02:47:39,320
Speaker 3: you think it's somebody?

3746
02:47:39,400 --> 02:47:44,000
Speaker 1: Don't think I don't think it's Dylan doing this. Dylan's

3747
02:47:44,040 --> 02:47:47,200
Speaker 1: probably focused on getting healthy because he broke his leg,

3748
02:47:47,320 --> 02:47:49,320
Speaker 1: Like he's probably just he's probably doing his thing, trying

3749
02:47:49,360 --> 02:47:51,240
Speaker 1: to get his leg healthy. He's probably in a tough spot,

3750
02:47:51,280 --> 02:47:53,840
Speaker 1: like we've all had major surgeries, especially when our first

3751
02:47:53,879 --> 02:47:56,760
Speaker 1: one happens, Like there's some very lonely like I'm not

3752
02:47:56,959 --> 02:47:59,280
Speaker 1: this not at all coming from Dylan, but yeah, it's

3753
02:47:59,320 --> 02:48:03,360
Speaker 1: definitely coming, in my opinion, from Raila Camp Camp, the

3754
02:48:03,480 --> 02:48:06,039
Speaker 1: rail of Camp. Don't I don't know who, Like there's

3755
02:48:06,080 --> 02:48:10,160
Speaker 1: no names. I'm saying, Raila Camp. If you want if

3756
02:48:10,240 --> 02:48:13,440
Speaker 1: you are shopping, you are actively shopping, which I've heard

3757
02:48:13,920 --> 02:48:18,480
Speaker 1: is happening. If you're actively shopping, that doesn't come like

3758
02:48:18,560 --> 02:48:20,640
Speaker 1: all that and you want the college football world to

3759
02:48:20,760 --> 02:48:24,840
Speaker 1: know that Dylan is available, then you want an article

3760
02:48:24,920 --> 02:48:27,240
Speaker 1: out there like I'm saying if I was in this

3761
02:48:27,360 --> 02:48:29,560
Speaker 1: place and say it was it was my kid who

3762
02:48:29,640 --> 02:48:31,360
Speaker 1: was the quarterback, or if it was me and I

3763
02:48:31,480 --> 02:48:34,080
Speaker 1: had all this high level thinking about it all and

3764
02:48:34,240 --> 02:48:36,000
Speaker 1: the strategy of it all. If you wanted to get

3765
02:48:36,040 --> 02:48:38,760
Speaker 1: out there, you don't want to come from Hey, I

3766
02:48:38,879 --> 02:48:42,680
Speaker 1: am actively shopping while I'm still on Nebraska's football team.

3767
02:48:42,680 --> 02:48:44,600
Speaker 1: They're about to play the Iowah Hawk. Guys, my brother

3768
02:48:44,840 --> 02:48:48,320
Speaker 1: just decommitted last week. Like, I'm not wanting it to be. Hey,

3769
02:48:48,440 --> 02:48:50,720
Speaker 1: I'm doing all of this. You want to seem like

3770
02:48:50,800 --> 02:48:52,560
Speaker 1: come out a different way, and the way you want

3771
02:48:52,600 --> 02:48:54,000
Speaker 1: it to come out is the way it was written

3772
02:48:54,680 --> 02:48:57,680
Speaker 1: that Nebraska's bracing for Dylan to leave, like it's a

3773
02:48:57,800 --> 02:49:00,880
Speaker 1: Nebraska like a there's a Nebraska reaction from this.

3774
02:49:01,080 --> 02:49:03,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, because last year, I don't think I heard anything

3775
02:49:03,000 --> 02:49:05,680
Speaker 3: about Rayola shopping himself until after the fact.

3776
02:49:06,280 --> 02:49:09,720
Speaker 1: It's interesting, Yeah, like I had heard when that came

3777
02:49:09,800 --> 02:49:11,640
Speaker 1: out and when it was happening, But in my brain

3778
02:49:11,720 --> 02:49:15,000
Speaker 1: it's like like I again, I understand the game being

3779
02:49:15,080 --> 02:49:19,200
Speaker 1: played by players by the institution and contract, and hey,

3780
02:49:19,520 --> 02:49:22,120
Speaker 1: if we do have a really good quarterback. He could

3781
02:49:22,160 --> 02:49:24,040
Speaker 1: be looking at a lot of dollars out there, and

3782
02:49:24,160 --> 02:49:25,960
Speaker 1: we want to keep him. We need a pony up

3783
02:49:25,959 --> 02:49:28,160
Speaker 1: and pay for him so that way we can keep him.

3784
02:49:28,160 --> 02:49:30,920
Speaker 1: Because this is a kid like Dylan Raila makes Nebraska better.

3785
02:49:31,080 --> 02:49:33,840
Speaker 1: Dylan Railer makes Nebraska better football team. So yes, I

3786
02:49:33,959 --> 02:49:37,879
Speaker 1: want Dylan Raiola on the Nebraska Cornhuskers, big Dylan Raila fan.

3787
02:49:38,560 --> 02:49:40,879
Speaker 1: I'm more like just speaking on just the antics. I'm

3788
02:49:40,920 --> 02:49:43,800
Speaker 1: more in the lore of Nebraska football than probably a

3789
02:49:43,840 --> 02:49:46,680
Speaker 1: lot of people that are listening right now. But with

3790
02:49:46,800 --> 02:49:48,840
Speaker 1: the articles and everything else coming out and then fingers

3791
02:49:48,879 --> 02:49:51,440
Speaker 1: feeling like it's being pointed at Nebraska for having stuff out,

3792
02:49:51,440 --> 02:49:53,000
Speaker 1: this is where I got to just defend my squad.

3793
02:49:53,040 --> 02:49:54,240
Speaker 1: This is where I got to defend the turf a

3794
02:49:54,240 --> 02:49:57,640
Speaker 1: little bit because I want him. Yeah, because when Matt

3795
02:49:57,680 --> 02:50:00,760
Speaker 1: Rule was staying, what was happening right the boys are

3796
02:50:00,760 --> 02:50:03,320
Speaker 1: out there posting he ain't going nowhere, He's locked to stay.

3797
02:50:03,640 --> 02:50:06,000
Speaker 1: You want to shut this down, then you just public

3798
02:50:06,040 --> 02:50:08,040
Speaker 1: this end up. Hey, I'm not going anywhere. But that's

3799
02:50:08,120 --> 02:50:10,840
Speaker 1: not the reality that we're in right now, right which was.

3800
02:50:10,879 --> 02:50:13,880
Speaker 3: Just totally fair for Dylan and doing the situation My

3801
02:50:14,040 --> 02:50:15,880
Speaker 3: thought is is like, if you're in Nebraska, what do

3802
02:50:16,000 --> 02:50:18,560
Speaker 3: you do because you just signed rule to an extension.

3803
02:50:19,000 --> 02:50:21,680
Speaker 3: He got the funding and the backing that he means,

3804
02:50:21,760 --> 02:50:24,640
Speaker 3: go get get these players. Yeah, at what point do

3805
02:50:24,720 --> 02:50:27,240
Speaker 3: you pull a Tennessee and go, hey, we're not paying

3806
02:50:27,280 --> 02:50:30,160
Speaker 3: you anymore. Like you've got enough money. We're trying to

3807
02:50:30,160 --> 02:50:31,640
Speaker 3: win a championship. We need this money to go get

3808
02:50:31,640 --> 02:50:33,280
Speaker 3: other players as well to make you look better.

3809
02:50:33,480 --> 02:50:35,760
Speaker 1: Right, this is where that goes out of my depths.

3810
02:50:35,840 --> 02:50:37,600
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's wanting more money or if

3811
02:50:37,600 --> 02:50:40,200
Speaker 1: he's just wanting another place to look for me. I'll

3812
02:50:40,280 --> 02:50:44,120
Speaker 1: just be like, buddy, don't like this. Finish what we're

3813
02:50:44,160 --> 02:50:47,440
Speaker 1: building something. He's a pivotal part of it. Finish what

3814
02:50:47,560 --> 02:50:49,520
Speaker 1: you start. Don't run from the fight. Heel up, we

3815
02:50:49,720 --> 02:50:53,400
Speaker 1: need you recruit these guys, build this program. You're the guy.

3816
02:50:53,560 --> 02:50:55,080
Speaker 1: You're the kid that's gonna have a stats you.

3817
02:50:55,200 --> 02:50:57,800
Speaker 3: You're if you're a running back or receiver, a tight

3818
02:50:57,920 --> 02:50:59,200
Speaker 3: end somebody puts in the off side of the ball

3819
02:50:59,240 --> 02:51:00,840
Speaker 3: that gets the ball. You want to go to a

3820
02:51:00,920 --> 02:51:03,160
Speaker 3: place that you're going to be showcased. And if you

3821
02:51:03,200 --> 02:51:04,800
Speaker 3: don't have a quarterback or you don't know if the

3822
02:51:04,879 --> 02:51:06,879
Speaker 3: quarterback that you would be throwing to you would be there.

3823
02:51:07,160 --> 02:51:09,240
Speaker 3: It's very difficult to get these guys. Hey, we'll pay

3824
02:51:09,280 --> 02:51:11,199
Speaker 3: you two million dollars to come. It's like two million

3825
02:51:11,240 --> 02:51:12,560
Speaker 3: dollars is great, But I'm trying to make it to

3826
02:51:12,600 --> 02:51:15,039
Speaker 3: the league and I need somebody to facilitate me the football.

3827
02:51:15,760 --> 02:51:18,920
Speaker 3: And that's the issue that Nebraska's running into. I hate

3828
02:51:19,600 --> 02:51:23,840
Speaker 3: this feeling for Nebraska right now. I know and as

3829
02:51:23,879 --> 02:51:28,160
Speaker 3: a friend, as long as I've known you, it's never

3830
02:51:28,280 --> 02:51:32,760
Speaker 3: felt this dark. And I'm not I'm not saying that's

3831
02:51:32,959 --> 02:51:33,880
Speaker 3: I know you up. I'm not.

3832
02:51:33,959 --> 02:51:34,160
Speaker 1: I'm not.

3833
02:51:34,520 --> 02:51:38,800
Speaker 3: I'm just saying this is a very like uncomfortable feeling

3834
02:51:40,000 --> 02:51:44,360
Speaker 3: sitting here being like, isn't like is Nebraska getting better?

3835
02:51:44,920 --> 02:51:47,280
Speaker 3: Is there? I'm sure something's gonna happen in the offseason

3836
02:51:47,360 --> 02:51:49,959
Speaker 3: with transfer portal and recruiting class and all that. We'll

3837
02:51:49,959 --> 02:51:52,040
Speaker 3: be like, look at this, this is what we have

3838
02:51:52,080 --> 02:51:53,600
Speaker 3: to hang on hat out right now. It doesn't feel

3839
02:51:53,640 --> 02:51:57,000
Speaker 3: like there's something there to be like Nebraska the next

3840
02:51:57,040 --> 02:51:58,520
Speaker 3: step next year right as.

3841
02:51:58,440 --> 02:52:01,600
Speaker 1: Far as like progress seeing from where the bar is

3842
02:52:01,680 --> 02:52:05,320
Speaker 1: at right now, Like I one one believe Rule is

3843
02:52:05,360 --> 02:52:08,160
Speaker 1: the guy I just think we're going into an off

3844
02:52:08,200 --> 02:52:09,920
Speaker 1: season where there's a lot of games as game play

3845
02:52:10,040 --> 02:52:12,520
Speaker 1: versus finding these ways to push the boat forward. It

3846
02:52:12,560 --> 02:52:14,640
Speaker 1: feels there's gonna be a lot of recruiting that has

3847
02:52:14,720 --> 02:52:17,800
Speaker 1: to happen, potentially in house. I have no clue, but

3848
02:52:17,879 --> 02:52:20,840
Speaker 1: you're right and to the point, because again, when we

3849
02:52:20,920 --> 02:52:23,280
Speaker 1: were talking before the year or before the year started,

3850
02:52:23,280 --> 02:52:24,840
Speaker 1: and you said seven and five, and I'm like, seven

3851
02:52:24,879 --> 02:52:26,840
Speaker 1: and five would feel like a failure of a season.

3852
02:52:26,920 --> 02:52:28,880
Speaker 3: I'm sick to my stomach that we're sitting here in

3853
02:52:28,959 --> 02:52:30,200
Speaker 3: the answer of seven and five.

3854
02:52:30,360 --> 02:52:32,040
Speaker 1: But you were saying, this is like, hey, just one

3855
02:52:32,080 --> 02:52:33,720
Speaker 1: step at it. You know, it's one game at a time,

3856
02:52:33,720 --> 02:52:34,360
Speaker 1: one step at the time.

3857
02:52:34,400 --> 02:52:36,879
Speaker 3: I've already said that, I've already shook her hands said

3858
02:52:36,879 --> 02:52:38,760
Speaker 3: that's not good enough. Ye Like, I think I wish

3859
02:52:38,800 --> 02:52:40,080
Speaker 3: you never made me to shoot my hand because I'd

3860
02:52:40,080 --> 02:52:41,680
Speaker 3: be able to sit there and be like, hey, you're

3861
02:52:41,760 --> 02:52:44,400
Speaker 3: technically a game better like in four next year, nine

3862
02:52:44,440 --> 02:52:45,480
Speaker 3: to three, right, two.

3863
02:52:45,560 --> 02:52:47,560
Speaker 1: But I think you're in enough to where you can

3864
02:52:47,800 --> 02:52:50,959
Speaker 1: stand on the record. But my reaction to you having

3865
02:52:51,000 --> 02:52:53,519
Speaker 1: that record is like, no, bro, it won't be optimismly,

3866
02:52:53,920 --> 02:52:57,200
Speaker 1: it's going to feel like we're failing. And so that's

3867
02:52:57,240 --> 02:52:59,600
Speaker 1: where end the year seven and five. You end off

3868
02:52:59,640 --> 02:53:01,880
Speaker 1: these two asshole but we took from Penn State and

3869
02:53:01,920 --> 02:53:06,039
Speaker 1: Iowan and it's like, God, you.

3870
02:53:06,080 --> 02:53:09,080
Speaker 3: Know, I'm with you because you're You're right, like seven

3871
02:53:09,160 --> 02:53:12,920
Speaker 3: and five is not okay, Like you guys have gotten

3872
02:53:13,000 --> 02:53:14,960
Speaker 3: the monkey off your bag. From a bowl game standpoint,

3873
02:53:15,040 --> 02:53:16,520
Speaker 3: that was fun. We had a good time with that.

3874
02:53:16,640 --> 02:53:21,119
Speaker 3: Like bowl games don't matter. They don't. Some players sit out,

3875
02:53:21,240 --> 02:53:24,279
Speaker 3: they they go to the NFL, they they start to transfer.

3876
02:53:24,560 --> 02:53:27,720
Speaker 3: Like bowl games do not matter. And I said that

3877
02:53:27,800 --> 02:53:31,520
Speaker 3: before Michigan beat Alabama last year because bowl games don't

3878
02:53:31,560 --> 02:53:33,959
Speaker 3: fucking matter. So are your record seven and five?

3879
02:53:34,120 --> 02:53:35,520
Speaker 1: Well, if we win a bowl game, we will be

3880
02:53:35,600 --> 02:53:37,840
Speaker 1: eight and five, you know what I'm saying.

3881
02:53:37,959 --> 02:53:39,680
Speaker 3: That's why I disagree with you, and I understand why

3882
02:53:39,760 --> 02:53:40,280
Speaker 3: you would do that.

3883
02:53:40,400 --> 02:53:42,600
Speaker 1: For the mental aspect, well, there's teams like you're gonna

3884
02:53:42,600 --> 02:53:45,240
Speaker 1: play a team to where yeah, it's not like Michigan

3885
02:53:45,360 --> 02:53:48,199
Speaker 1: was seven and five last year and then they played

3886
02:53:48,200 --> 02:53:49,039
Speaker 1: a bowl game that they won.

3887
02:53:49,120 --> 02:53:53,560
Speaker 3: They were seven and five. Yeah, still they beat Alabama.

3888
02:53:53,560 --> 02:53:55,600
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh shit, this is awesome. But the reality

3889
02:53:55,800 --> 02:53:58,760
Speaker 3: is is half their team sat out, and a lot

3890
02:53:58,840 --> 02:54:01,160
Speaker 3: of our guys sat out too, And it's like, all right,

3891
02:54:01,800 --> 02:54:04,560
Speaker 3: Like that's if it happened in the regular season, I'm

3892
02:54:04,600 --> 02:54:06,760
Speaker 3: way more fired up than if it happened at a

3893
02:54:06,840 --> 02:54:10,720
Speaker 3: bowl game, Like the Citrus Bowl isn't fucking getting me

3894
02:54:10,760 --> 02:54:11,560
Speaker 3: from six to midnight.

3895
02:54:12,280 --> 02:54:15,560
Speaker 1: I feel what you're saying, because say, uh, Emmett is

3896
02:54:15,720 --> 02:54:18,840
Speaker 1: going to the NFL, right, and he sits out of

3897
02:54:18,920 --> 02:54:21,560
Speaker 1: the bowl game, then yeah, it's I'm thinking to myself,

3898
02:54:21,560 --> 02:54:23,360
Speaker 1: all right, we lose this game, like we didn't have

3899
02:54:23,440 --> 02:54:24,040
Speaker 1: Emmitt Johnson.

3900
02:54:24,040 --> 02:54:26,040
Speaker 3: It's an insurance policy, just like Alabama had an insurance

3901
02:54:26,040 --> 02:54:28,400
Speaker 3: policy last year. Like, yeah, a lot of their players

3902
02:54:28,440 --> 02:54:30,360
Speaker 3: didn't play, a lot of our players didn't play. But

3903
02:54:30,400 --> 02:54:32,680
Speaker 3: at the same time, it's like you're just having two

3904
02:54:32,800 --> 02:54:36,000
Speaker 3: cool logos play each other, Alabama and Mission. Oh this

3905
02:54:36,120 --> 02:54:38,200
Speaker 3: is dope. You barely ever get to see this. Ain't

3906
02:54:38,200 --> 02:54:41,240
Speaker 3: nobody gives a fuck really about that? No one, No

3907
02:54:41,320 --> 02:54:42,080
Speaker 3: one actually cares.

3908
02:54:42,160 --> 02:54:44,120
Speaker 1: You could if everybody in the locker room does, no

3909
02:54:44,240 --> 02:54:47,840
Speaker 1: if everybody played, Like again, if we need everybody for

3910
02:54:47,920 --> 02:54:51,480
Speaker 1: the bowl game and everybody has that outlook in the

3911
02:54:51,640 --> 02:54:55,119
Speaker 1: rally for the bowl game, absolutely to me, my brain film.

3912
02:54:55,280 --> 02:54:57,240
Speaker 3: My brain's on. Well, look what just happened to Michigan

3913
02:54:57,360 --> 02:55:00,800
Speaker 3: versus a hot state. How do we beat that? How

3914
02:55:00,879 --> 02:55:02,959
Speaker 3: do we bet when they already have a top three

3915
02:55:03,040 --> 02:55:06,360
Speaker 3: recruiting class coming in? We need to go fuck a

3916
02:55:06,400 --> 02:55:06,800
Speaker 3: bowl game.

3917
02:55:07,040 --> 02:55:10,320
Speaker 1: But you know, the bowl game, that's a disservice to

3918
02:55:10,400 --> 02:55:12,360
Speaker 1: the senior the guys who are still trying to play

3919
02:55:12,400 --> 02:55:12,760
Speaker 1: some ball.

3920
02:55:12,920 --> 02:55:16,360
Speaker 3: The bowl game is important for the fifteen practices. That's

3921
02:55:16,440 --> 02:55:19,320
Speaker 3: the most important part of the bowl game. That's the

3922
02:55:19,360 --> 02:55:21,959
Speaker 3: most important part of the bowl game is that fifteen practices.

3923
02:55:22,280 --> 02:55:24,560
Speaker 3: She has excel work. I'm gonna I'm gonna watch whatever

3924
02:55:24,600 --> 02:55:26,520
Speaker 3: game Michigan's in, and I'm gonna be rooting for him.

3925
02:55:26,520 --> 02:55:27,360
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be hoping they win.

3926
02:55:27,600 --> 02:55:29,360
Speaker 1: I don't know if you are, man no, But at the.

3927
02:55:29,400 --> 02:55:31,840
Speaker 3: End of the day, like whether they win or lose,

3928
02:55:32,000 --> 02:55:35,200
Speaker 3: I want to see progress. So Bryce plays in the game,

3929
02:55:35,480 --> 02:55:39,480
Speaker 3: or Jordan Marshall plays, or you know these receivers. I

3930
02:55:39,600 --> 02:55:42,119
Speaker 3: want to see Andrew marsh take a step. I want

3931
02:55:42,160 --> 02:55:44,480
Speaker 3: to see mcculey take a step, even though he's a senior, Like,

3932
02:55:44,520 --> 02:55:46,640
Speaker 3: I want to see these things happen. So I go.

3933
02:55:47,280 --> 02:55:50,320
Speaker 3: I'm really excited for next year because the bowl game

3934
02:55:50,360 --> 02:55:53,120
Speaker 3: doesn't matter record wise, it doesn't do anything for you.

3935
02:55:53,760 --> 02:55:57,600
Speaker 3: The transfer portal, the recruiting class, the development of players,

3936
02:55:58,200 --> 02:56:03,360
Speaker 3: the spring practice, that camp this season, that's what matters, truly,

3937
02:56:03,760 --> 02:56:07,000
Speaker 3: because no one's gonna look at the big bad morble.

3938
02:56:07,640 --> 02:56:09,120
Speaker 3: No one's gonna be like, yeah, but we got that,

3939
02:56:09,280 --> 02:56:12,400
Speaker 3: didn't we boys? Like if seven and five is a

3940
02:56:13,360 --> 02:56:16,400
Speaker 3: is not is not good enough for for Nebraska, then

3941
02:56:16,480 --> 02:56:19,480
Speaker 3: having a big bad Morbile victory doesn't mean ship.

3942
02:56:19,840 --> 02:56:21,199
Speaker 1: It's the bad boys.

3943
02:56:24,840 --> 02:56:25,920
Speaker 3: Nine three for Michigan.

3944
02:56:26,200 --> 02:56:28,240
Speaker 1: Hey, Pabbly, if Pabby and cater here, get it, get

3945
02:56:28,320 --> 02:56:28,520
Speaker 1: him in.

3946
02:56:29,480 --> 02:56:31,600
Speaker 5: This is separated for the episode.

3947
02:56:31,920 --> 02:56:35,520
Speaker 3: Okay, Brian Day's not four, No, he's for today.

3948
02:56:35,840 --> 02:56:37,560
Speaker 1: Oh I thought he was going on busting because then

3949
02:56:37,640 --> 02:56:41,920
Speaker 1: you just seamlessly talk through he's going on college football,

3950
02:56:42,680 --> 02:56:45,320
Speaker 1: and then they're gonna wrap get footage to Jared for

3951
02:56:46,160 --> 02:56:48,879
Speaker 1: him to add it, and then they went you guys

3952
02:56:48,920 --> 02:56:52,560
Speaker 1: over there with get a little bit of like oh

3953
02:56:52,720 --> 02:56:55,000
Speaker 1: I got you. Yeah.

3954
02:56:55,000 --> 02:56:57,840
Speaker 3: All that being said, man, all eyes on twenty six,

3955
02:56:58,520 --> 02:57:01,960
Speaker 3: like all eyes on January second. Then transferportal opens, and

3956
02:57:02,080 --> 02:57:04,720
Speaker 3: I need a lot of block ms next to a

3957
02:57:04,879 --> 02:57:10,840
Speaker 3: lot of fucking talent. I need everybody, transfer Portal, I

3958
02:57:10,959 --> 02:57:16,280
Speaker 3: need fucking everybody, Cam Coleman, fucking Ryan Williams, that kid

3959
02:57:16,360 --> 02:57:21,000
Speaker 3: from Clemson, bring them, I meet them, everybody, everybody.

3960
02:57:21,480 --> 02:57:24,440
Speaker 1: It's like, I know the feeling that I have right now,

3961
02:57:24,800 --> 02:57:27,160
Speaker 1: it's a sad feeling because you can't see the light.

3962
02:57:27,800 --> 02:57:31,880
Speaker 1: But where my optimism lies is in the month of December,

3963
02:57:31,959 --> 02:57:36,240
Speaker 1: when the headlines start coming out, whether it's transfer portal, recruits,

3964
02:57:36,600 --> 02:57:38,440
Speaker 1: whatever it is, it's going to be back. I knew,

3965
02:57:38,560 --> 02:57:40,800
Speaker 1: I knew that was yeah, that was gonna come down

3966
02:57:40,800 --> 02:57:41,119
Speaker 1: the pipe.

3967
02:57:41,160 --> 02:57:43,360
Speaker 3: The problem that Nebraska has right now is you guys

3968
02:57:44,320 --> 02:57:50,240
Speaker 3: have to beautifully orchestrate this chessboard between now and spring,

3969
02:57:50,879 --> 02:57:53,400
Speaker 3: like you have to handle the Dylan situation while also

3970
02:57:53,440 --> 02:57:57,039
Speaker 3: getting receivers grabbing a couple of defensive guys like it's

3971
02:57:57,120 --> 02:58:00,280
Speaker 3: gotta you can't just make sure your boat's good. You've

3972
02:58:00,360 --> 02:58:01,879
Speaker 3: got to optimize your vote.

3973
02:58:01,920 --> 02:58:05,080
Speaker 1: I agree. I think coach Rule. I think he is

3974
02:58:05,160 --> 02:58:07,240
Speaker 1: the guy for the job, and that job. I think

3975
02:58:07,280 --> 02:58:09,560
Speaker 1: he's gonna have hard decisions to look at him make,

3976
02:58:09,600 --> 02:58:12,240
Speaker 1: whether it's with staff, whether it's with players. That you

3977
02:58:12,400 --> 02:58:14,720
Speaker 1: have to do that self, scout, because he is like

3978
02:58:14,840 --> 02:58:18,720
Speaker 1: that is everybody's putting it into coach leading us to

3979
02:58:18,840 --> 02:58:21,640
Speaker 1: this national title. I know one movie did make last

3980
02:58:21,680 --> 02:58:24,360
Speaker 1: off season. That was Mike Eckler. Hey, coach eck Man.

3981
02:58:25,120 --> 02:58:28,440
Speaker 1: He's up for awards of special teams. Yeah, he is

3982
02:58:28,520 --> 02:58:30,920
Speaker 1: the man. Bro. I I'm so fired up that he's

3983
02:58:30,959 --> 02:58:33,640
Speaker 1: had he's had success that he's been telling me that.

3984
02:58:34,360 --> 02:58:37,039
Speaker 1: You know, He's like, once I get dude, Will He's

3985
02:58:37,080 --> 02:58:39,240
Speaker 1: teaching me about special teams. He's doing all these things

3986
02:58:39,280 --> 02:58:40,640
Speaker 1: once he got the job, and I'm like, heck, I

3987
02:58:40,760 --> 02:58:43,440
Speaker 1: hear you, Bro, I'm thinking best special teams in the country.

3988
02:58:43,480 --> 02:58:46,760
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, that would be awesome. But this could

3989
02:58:46,760 --> 02:58:49,480
Speaker 1: sell ice to an Eskimo, like he could sell anything.

3990
02:58:49,240 --> 02:58:51,560
Speaker 3: I would have. I would love to poach Eckler in Michigan.

3991
02:58:51,959 --> 02:58:55,480
Speaker 3: I would love to our special teams was all year.

3992
02:58:55,720 --> 02:58:58,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, it crushed it. Man. I was fired. I was

3993
02:58:58,440 --> 02:59:00,440
Speaker 1: pumped to see the success that he's had this year

3994
02:59:00,480 --> 02:59:02,320
Speaker 1: in Nebraska, especially being a Nebraska boy.

3995
02:59:02,800 --> 02:59:05,000
Speaker 3: This is where this is where like sadness starts to

3996
02:59:05,040 --> 02:59:07,120
Speaker 3: creep in for your team if your team's not in

3997
02:59:07,160 --> 02:59:09,720
Speaker 3: the playoff. It's like, I'm really excited to watch these playoffs. Unfold,

3998
02:59:09,800 --> 02:59:12,920
Speaker 3: the chaos all that stuff. But this piece, man, it's like,

3999
02:59:13,240 --> 02:59:14,440
Speaker 3: I really wish it was August.

4000
02:59:15,600 --> 02:59:18,279
Speaker 1: Nobody we are, dude, this is prime.

4001
02:59:18,520 --> 02:59:21,879
Speaker 3: I know, I know, but I just want to watch

4002
02:59:22,000 --> 02:59:22,560
Speaker 3: my boys.

4003
02:59:22,959 --> 02:59:25,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I want to watch my guy think about

4004
02:59:25,720 --> 02:59:29,320
Speaker 1: the chaos we have coming up. Oh yeah, we get

4005
02:59:29,360 --> 02:59:33,200
Speaker 1: to live in watch from the inside. It's like going

4006
02:59:33,240 --> 02:59:34,840
Speaker 1: into an F five and we're just sitting there in

4007
02:59:34,959 --> 02:59:37,560
Speaker 1: the in the eye of the storm seeing it happen.

4008
02:59:37,640 --> 02:59:41,000
Speaker 1: Especially if we get b YU this week, especially Georgia

4009
02:59:41,080 --> 02:59:45,240
Speaker 1: wins byu Wins Duke Wins, Like, people are gonna be

4010
02:59:45,320 --> 02:59:47,040
Speaker 1: going crazy, and we get to have on Pave and

4011
02:59:47,200 --> 02:59:49,400
Speaker 1: Cad a couple of boys. They're sitting there at ten

4012
02:59:49,480 --> 02:59:52,000
Speaker 1: and two like they should. Yeah, you guys deserve to

4013
02:59:52,040 --> 02:59:54,800
Speaker 1: be in. Absolutely, it also seems like they're not. It

4014
02:59:54,840 --> 02:59:56,200
Speaker 1: seems like they're not gonna be in.

4015
02:59:56,400 --> 02:59:59,760
Speaker 3: Kate's texting me last night, He's like, you think I'll

4016
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:01,480
Speaker 3: We'll talk about with him on the show, but he's like,

4017
03:00:01,720 --> 03:00:03,240
Speaker 3: what do you think of this? Happened to that? And

4018
03:00:03,320 --> 03:00:05,480
Speaker 3: ultimately we have no clue, We have no idea. I'm

4019
03:00:05,480 --> 03:00:07,200
Speaker 3: no fu I thought Clark Lee was gonna leave. It's

4020
03:00:07,200 --> 03:00:09,160
Speaker 3: almost like, hey, you gotta get out. Clark Lee's gonna go.

4021
03:00:09,360 --> 03:00:10,320
Speaker 3: He just had an extension.

4022
03:00:10,520 --> 03:00:13,320
Speaker 1: I did no five top conference team that five conference

4023
03:00:13,440 --> 03:00:16,120
Speaker 1: champs got in. Yeah, the people are in fact checking me.

4024
03:00:16,160 --> 03:00:17,720
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the rules. I'm like, God, damn, I

4025
03:00:17,760 --> 03:00:19,000
Speaker 1: guess I was wrong on that one. Dude.

4026
03:00:19,000 --> 03:00:21,360
Speaker 3: The GF I just went to so dumb. The G

4027
03:00:21,560 --> 03:00:24,800
Speaker 3: five thing is so dumb. You need an extraordinary G

4028
03:00:24,959 --> 03:00:26,920
Speaker 3: five team to get in. And I know I caught

4029
03:00:26,920 --> 03:00:29,560
Speaker 3: a lot of heat on that. Fucking shut up.

4030
03:00:30,240 --> 03:00:32,040
Speaker 1: We caught a lot of love too, Bro, don't worry

4031
03:00:32,040 --> 03:00:34,040
Speaker 1: about the side that the loud minority.

4032
03:00:34,240 --> 03:00:36,080
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, But I'm just saying, like, when I would

4033
03:00:36,160 --> 03:00:38,040
Speaker 3: see a couple of comments, Andy'd be like these spoken

4034
03:00:38,120 --> 03:00:41,480
Speaker 3: guys like, no, dude, you're in North Texas, no disrespect.

4035
03:00:41,920 --> 03:00:43,879
Speaker 3: These are the big dogs. If you're twelve and zero

4036
03:00:44,240 --> 03:00:46,560
Speaker 3: and you're winning by like a point differential of like forty,

4037
03:00:47,280 --> 03:00:48,960
Speaker 3: you guys should fucking be in that thing. Because I

4038
03:00:48,959 --> 03:00:51,880
Speaker 3: don't want to see that squad against that squad. But

4039
03:00:52,360 --> 03:00:54,360
Speaker 3: I don't want to see a one loss North Texas

4040
03:00:54,400 --> 03:00:57,360
Speaker 3: team who lost sixty three to thirty nine versus some

4041
03:00:57,520 --> 03:00:59,560
Speaker 3: random ass school. I don't want to see jmuos eleven

4042
03:00:59,640 --> 03:01:03,240
Speaker 3: and one. I don't Tulane you lost your coach.

4043
03:01:03,160 --> 03:01:05,240
Speaker 1: And if so, it should just be one. Like to me,

4044
03:01:05,400 --> 03:01:07,240
Speaker 1: it's it comes down to you know, you look at

4045
03:01:07,280 --> 03:01:09,480
Speaker 1: high school football, it's one A all the way up

4046
03:01:09,520 --> 03:01:12,240
Speaker 1: to six A, right like there is levels and they've

4047
03:01:12,320 --> 03:01:13,960
Speaker 1: had a hell of a year to where G five

4048
03:01:14,040 --> 03:01:16,840
Speaker 1: is having a tournament, Like I'd tune in. I would say,

4049
03:01:16,840 --> 03:01:19,400
Speaker 1: who's gonna win the G five? The N I T

4050
03:01:19,600 --> 03:01:21,400
Speaker 1: I would love to see an N I T tournament

4051
03:01:21,560 --> 03:01:24,520
Speaker 1: just other classes. But yeah, bro, there's there's too many

4052
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Speaker 1: of these bottom feeder type teams, not bottom top of

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Speaker 1: their bottom feeder conferences that are going to get into

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Speaker 1: this playoff and screw out some teams that very much Miami,

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Speaker 1: they are twelve best teams in college.

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Speaker 3: You're gonna say, I want to watch Tulane an Oregon

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Speaker 3: versus Oregon and Vanderbilt. No fucking way, no way, get

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Speaker 3: bent you want to watch you want to watch North

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Speaker 3: Texas and Oregon? Or do you want to watch Miami

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Speaker 3: in Orgon? And I'm almost saying that because they're they're

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Speaker 3: the ones that the five seeds, so they would play

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Speaker 3: one of those teams.

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Speaker 1: I wish we could be fluid every year at the

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Speaker 1: playoff to where you just make decisions based on what

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Speaker 1: everybody's kind of feeling, to the point where I'm like, okay,

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Speaker 1: you know what, we have ten locks that are gonna

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Speaker 1: be in the College Hope play there's gonna be two

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Speaker 1: spots left. Let's get an eight team bracket. All these arguments,

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Speaker 1: all these teams Miami, Notre Dame, Vanderbilt, tex JMU, North Texas, Duke, Virginia,

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Speaker 1: there's eight right there, or BYU for one of them

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Speaker 1: and have them battle out for the two slots.

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Speaker 3: Don't eight teams four? Yes, okay, I'm back with you.

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Speaker 1: Two slots that go into their playing game of the

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Speaker 1: championship winner that championship then goes out and plays Ohio

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Speaker 1: State after their bye week. Like the easiest spot to

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Speaker 1: be in for AHA State because team's got to play

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Speaker 1: three more games before they get to them. And you

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Speaker 1: want to earn your spot in the tournament, Yes, you

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Speaker 1: got to go through this, you know, eight man bracket,

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Speaker 1: get to the championship. That's the playing game to play

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Speaker 1: Ohio State. That's how I want this game.

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Speaker 3: Here's what I want. I want the eight teams to play.

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Speaker 3: You get to the final two teams. Hey, guys, you're

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Speaker 3: both in. We go to a gas station on a Desa, Texas,

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Speaker 3: and we flip a coin and one whoever gets the

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Speaker 3: coin tosses the eleven. The other one is the two.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe maybe maybe with the three you are argue

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Speaker 1: for the SEC, right, it would be Texas, would be Vanderbilt,

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Speaker 1: and then Bama. Bama loss the SEC championship, Just do uh.

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Speaker 5: Texas and Miami.

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Speaker 1: Right if you get outside, I'm saying that the SEC

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Speaker 1: had one. They want to go full Texas football mode,

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Speaker 1: like they know football the best secam.

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Speaker 3: You do four teams, four slots, not eight slots. Four slots.

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Speaker 3: You play one game. Yeah, and whoever wons that game,

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Speaker 3: you two are in. You guys are in four slotsybody.

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Speaker 1: But if Bama loses and we're arguing Bama Vandy, you

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Speaker 1: know Texas, let's get him in a gas station. They'll

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Speaker 1: just hit the flips. Ain't no curses. Who's getting in

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Speaker 1: the tournament?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, we will see you tomorrow for a

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Speaker 1: bowl games. Yeah, because they were in a bowlgame last

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Speaker 1: year Mornday. Yeah, there is in a regular bowl game.

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Speaker 1: We can talk to him about it. We'll have a

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Speaker 1: Kid McConnell account studolignment for the Vanderbilt Commodorees and Joy

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Speaker 1: See you then.

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