Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you should Know from House Stuff Works
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Speaker 1: I'm Josh and Clark. There's Charles W. Chuke Bryant, who's
Speaker 1: uh do you know? Someone on Twitter said that every
Speaker 1: time Chuck Bryant giggles, a baby bunny is born. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they mean it too. Wow. I love being responsible
Speaker 1: for all that joy in the world. You're doing it, man.
Speaker 1: So I guess you just opened the show with you
Speaker 1: were being chased by a police car in Great Britain.
Speaker 1: Just you did a British sorry. I guess it was
Speaker 1: yeah to do that. In the United States we have
Speaker 1: different sounding sorry. Well, in these days it's all kinds
Speaker 1: of crazy, like beeps and whistles. It's like that's like
Speaker 1: an American police cruiser today. Wow, listen is getting off
Speaker 1: to the great start. Let's let's try to keep it
Speaker 1: on the track, all right, on the U. E. D
Speaker 1: O C track. Yeah, this is what this is in
Speaker 1: our long running law enforcement series. You know, it's unequaled
Speaker 1: by any other topic except for death. I think you know,
Speaker 1: I think death might have it beat. Okay, maybe not,
Speaker 1: though we'll find out, all right. I guess go count
Speaker 1: them after this. Okay, Chuck, have you ever been in
Speaker 1: a police chase? Um? Have you ever been the object
Speaker 1: of pursuit in a police chase? Yeah? I was not driving.
Speaker 1: I was in a car one time when my friend
Speaker 1: decided to run from the cops. Wow, we lay it
Speaker 1: on us. Well, you know, it was just one of
Speaker 1: those things. We were in Athens and he made a
Speaker 1: very bad decision and uh we got away with it.
Speaker 1: No way. Yeah, we'll see. That's something that I find
Speaker 1: extremely interesting because I didn't realize until reading this article that, um,
Speaker 1: there are very few circumstances where a cop should feel
Speaker 1: justified it or would be justified in chasing you. Right.
Speaker 1: But that said, there are almost no laws whatsoever restricting
Speaker 1: police chases. It's this weird gray area. And I actually
Speaker 1: found there's activists online or saying, like say no to
Speaker 1: police chases, like restrict police chases, like create laws against
Speaker 1: police chases because these things are deadly and dangerous. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think what about a hundred and forty innocent civilians
Speaker 1: were killed last year? Yeah three d About a person
Speaker 1: a day on average dies from a police chase, and
Speaker 1: about a third of those but yeah, last year a
Speaker 1: hundred and forty or just innocent bystanders. Yeah, that I
Speaker 1: mean that happened in Atlanta. That's happened in Atlanta a
Speaker 1: couple of times recently. One time the trainer for the
Speaker 1: Atlanta Braves his because he lost his wife to a
Speaker 1: cop smashing into her. And um. Then again more recently
Speaker 1: there was another case. I think it was a kid
Speaker 1: or something, but it was like it was sort of
Speaker 1: in the news lately. Yeah, And I mean you get
Speaker 1: the impression that and cops died too, like high speed pursuit.
Speaker 1: Is there high speed pursuing it. That's dangerous for everybody
Speaker 1: involving in leaving the cop um, But you get the
Speaker 1: impression that, like whatever the circumstances is just just not
Speaker 1: pulling over for being for a for a cop trying
Speaker 1: to pull you over is reason enough to get the
Speaker 1: cops tackles raised enough to chase you. Yeah, right off
Speaker 1: the bat, I think that would be any cops instinct,
Speaker 1: is gun it not like, well, let me check into
Speaker 1: his record and call my supervisor and see if they
Speaker 1: allow this, which a lot of times is policy. Now
Speaker 1: as we'll see, UM, there are procedures in place to
Speaker 1: kind of try to tamp down that emotion of the
Speaker 1: primary departmental policy. Basically though, like you said, not law right,
Speaker 1: So well, let's let's talk about this. Um Okay. When
Speaker 1: you go through the academy and you um get all
Speaker 1: your training, your gun training, you're hanging out with tackleberry
Speaker 1: and you learn how to make cool sounds like machine
Speaker 1: gun says or like yeah huh yeah, um, you you
Speaker 1: spend about a week probably a little less learning how
Speaker 1: to drive the car. Yea. Sadly only about two of
Speaker 1: those days are dedicated to high speed pursuit yeah, which
Speaker 1: apparently is an improvement over zero days, which is how
Speaker 1: it used to be. And like the forties and fifties. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess they just said good luck. Right, you should
Speaker 1: know how to drive fast, right. You know, if you're
Speaker 1: an old country sheriff, you probably ran moonshine exactly, or
Speaker 1: your cousin does at least. Um, but there there's a
Speaker 1: lot to it. Um in Ed grab Banowski, the grabster
Speaker 1: um points out that you know, in in a high
Speaker 1: speed pursuit, UH, cops car can be just as deadly
Speaker 1: as a cops gun, and they need to know how
Speaker 1: to use it just as well. And just as accurately, um,
Speaker 1: because not only do you not have to know how
Speaker 1: to drive, you have to know how to drive fast
Speaker 1: while you're also turning on the lights and the sirens
Speaker 1: and like calling in something and like all that other
Speaker 1: stuff has to be second nature to you so that
Speaker 1: you can focus on the driving while using just a
Speaker 1: minimal amount of your brain power on the other stuff.
Speaker 1: So part of the car training is just that how
Speaker 1: to run a police car stuff, because it's not like
Speaker 1: every other car, right. And if you, um, if you
Speaker 1: are being trained to to drive in high speeds in
Speaker 1: pursuit of a suspect and they send you to Colorado,
Speaker 1: you can be reasonably assured that you're gonna come back
Speaker 1: among the better trained police in the country because the
Speaker 1: Colorado State Police maintain a course, an Emergency Vehicles Operation
Speaker 1: course that is the cream of the crop. Did you
Speaker 1: see like the aerial view of it. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: they cover all the scenarios like UM on ramps and
Speaker 1: off ramps, um high speed turns, intersections. They've really got
Speaker 1: all laid out there and put you in a scenario
Speaker 1: where as close as you could get to like an
Speaker 1: active street. Right. It's like there's skid plates where the
Speaker 1: coefficient of friction is point one five compared Chuck to say,
Speaker 1: I'm just staying this off top of my head, a
Speaker 1: of coefficient of friction of like point nine five on
Speaker 1: a dry highway. So that's slick. Yeah, that's slick. They
Speaker 1: need to know how to not been out basically, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's I think the exception is a really elaborate
Speaker 1: course like this. I think a lot of local police
Speaker 1: still use the parking lot and the cones back, which
Speaker 1: is better than an orange cone. Then you put an
Speaker 1: egg on it like a Brady Bunch. Yeah. That was
Speaker 1: one of the greatest television shows of all time, The
Speaker 1: Brady Bunch. Yeah. Absolutely, Um, So let's talk about pursuit equipment. Right,
Speaker 1: Basically what we just said was police training. You get
Speaker 1: a couple of days maybe if you're lucky, you get
Speaker 1: a few days on like a really great course, maybe
Speaker 1: out in Colorado. For the most part, it's like, you
Speaker 1: know how to drive, just drive really fast. Here's your
Speaker 1: Crown vic Yeah. That the Ford Crown Victoria's is the
Speaker 1: most common police car, although they're using all sorts of
Speaker 1: different cars today. When you drive around you'll see like
Speaker 1: those Dodge Chargers and like the more souped up I know. Uh,
Speaker 1: I think in l A the State Patrol had those
Speaker 1: Mustangs like they really souped up sports cars. Um, apparently
Speaker 1: they're getting away from Crown Victoria's because that model of
Speaker 1: car had a big problem with it. Whereas if you
Speaker 1: were rear ended in a high speed collision your car
Speaker 1: blew up. Was that the pacer that did that? In
Speaker 1: the seventies the Pinto the Ford Pinto again, Ford had
Speaker 1: the opposite problem. If you if you um collided with
Speaker 1: something on the front end, all I thought it was
Speaker 1: the rear. I think it was the front. Well, let
Speaker 1: me tell you this. I learned about it from the
Speaker 1: movie Top Secret, where a Pinto like just barely hits
Speaker 1: a tree and then it's front and blows up, and
Speaker 1: then Ford ambulances for a while we're blown up to Yeah,
Speaker 1: So forward with the with the police inceptor Crowned vic
Speaker 1: Um created this, uh this chemical fire suppression system where
Speaker 1: right when you're rear ended at a high enough impact,
Speaker 1: forceful enough impact, this this fire suppression thing goes off.
Speaker 1: So even if there's not a fire, there's not going
Speaker 1: to be a fire anyway. Um, but apparently it's enough
Speaker 1: that some people are like, yeah, we're gonna go with
Speaker 1: the intrepid, right. Uh. You see a lot of Crown
Speaker 1: Picks in Atlanta to like just regular people driving them.
Speaker 1: It's like sort of a thing. Now. Yeah, it is
Speaker 1: completely a little spotlight. Yeah, it's like, man, don't mess
Speaker 1: with me like that out on the highway. So, um,
Speaker 1: there are some differences of course, tween a police car.
Speaker 1: If you think it's just a regular Crown Victoria, it
Speaker 1: is not or whatever it is. Um, A lot of
Speaker 1: times it does have more horsepower in the engine because
Speaker 1: they need that kind of juice. Um. And they weigh
Speaker 1: more obviously than your standard car because there's more guns
Speaker 1: and things you're gonna have like metal reinforced seat backs
Speaker 1: and things, so like you can't get stabbed in the
Speaker 1: back from the back seat if you did, or shootings
Speaker 1: or anything if you didn't do a good job of
Speaker 1: checking for weapons. Um. What else, extra transmission coolers and
Speaker 1: oil coolers. Yeah, because I mean like radiators. Like they
Speaker 1: don't turn their car off ever, like that heat heat
Speaker 1: builds up, so they have like oil coolers and transmission
Speaker 1: fluid coolers figure alternators to supply more power up to
Speaker 1: a hundred and thirty amps, if that means anything to you.
Speaker 1: And then lights, well in vinyl seats thtow in the rear.
Speaker 1: That's that's important. Yeah, You're never gonna find cloth interior
Speaker 1: in the back of a police car because suspects are dirty.
Speaker 1: They're dirty, and oftentimes they will poop and vomit and
Speaker 1: bleed and just do whatever whatever bodily fluid they can
Speaker 1: get out in that police car, they probably will, So
Speaker 1: they want to make it uh easily. You just get
Speaker 1: out the four nine and the paper towels and just
Speaker 1: clean it right there. Um lights Apparently they used to
Speaker 1: have them on the fenders and they said, you know what,
Speaker 1: this is visible, but it's not as visible as if
Speaker 1: it were on the roof. So they created with so
Speaker 1: as the light bar, and which it was a little
Speaker 1: more recent than I thought. It was the seventies that
Speaker 1: these things made their debut. Yeah, and I thought back,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, yeah, you never see like cars
Speaker 1: in the sixties or or even early seventies with that
Speaker 1: light bar. So I was born and about the time
Speaker 1: the Lifebard came along. Yeah, I think, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: you remember seeing the single sirens sometimes or the double
Speaker 1: blue Dirty Harry would put on and do like a
Speaker 1: UI well something some were built in. But yeah, they
Speaker 1: also had the undercover cars. That was one of the
Speaker 1: great parts of any cop movie was when they got
Speaker 1: out the siren and put it on the roof. Um.
Speaker 1: And now you can get them at Spencer's Gifts. Summer
Speaker 1: blue and summer uh, summer blue and summer red. Though
Speaker 1: I've never known the distinction. I always thought ambulances were
Speaker 1: red and cops were blue. But in different cities I've
Speaker 1: seen cops have read. I think it depends on what
Speaker 1: side of the force you're on. Oh really yeah, like
Speaker 1: how your medic chlorine. So one thing they can do
Speaker 1: to uh, to prevent the chase from happening altogether. You've
Speaker 1: seen the old spike strip. They lay down these rubber
Speaker 1: mats with spikes all across the road, or they have
Speaker 1: them like uh, like an accordion. You just kind of
Speaker 1: throw and hang on to one end. And that's the
Speaker 1: quick version, and so that'll obviously disabled the fires. Um.
Speaker 1: You can the good old fashioned roadblock that you see
Speaker 1: in movies actually happens. They line up cars and except
Speaker 1: in this version there's not a conveniently parked tow truck
Speaker 1: ramp for the criminal to jump over everybody or bust through.
Speaker 1: I guess well, you have to be careful setting those
Speaker 1: up because it's normally going the criminals not going to
Speaker 1: try to push through the car, but they might try
Speaker 1: to go around. So you have to make sure that
Speaker 1: if you set up this roadblock, it's it's not like
Speaker 1: going to funnel them into somebody's house. I don't think
Speaker 1: you do that in like a neighborhood. That would be
Speaker 1: a good idea. You want to do it on a
Speaker 1: country road. And then modern techniques, which I think if
Speaker 1: they bring this stuff along, that's really where it's at,
Speaker 1: like microwave technology to disable the electrical system of a car,
Speaker 1: or shooting a laser high speed avoidance using laser technology
Speaker 1: HALT system of course, but they left out a couple
Speaker 1: of letters there. Oh yeah, it should be because toat
Speaker 1: that HALT it's not an acronym if you're leaving out
Speaker 1: words just to make it a cute word. All right, Um,
Speaker 1: so they like a lay ocean last name if they
Speaker 1: spelled it out correctly. So in that case, they're shooting
Speaker 1: a laser to cut off your fuel supply. But here's
Speaker 1: the rub. There is the vehicle that they're shooting it at.
Speaker 1: Has it has this special microchip in it? Yeah? I
Speaker 1: didn't look into that, did you. Is it like newer
Speaker 1: vehicles all that's my guess is that they're going to
Speaker 1: start putting these in all cars or something like they
Speaker 1: make some deal with That would be fine with me.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's better than pursuing somebody, absolutely, you know. Um.
Speaker 1: And then of course you have air support, either in
Speaker 1: the form of a police helicopter or like fifty news
Speaker 1: helicopters if the police chase out in California, um, or
Speaker 1: the World's Scariest Police Chase helicopter. Yeah, whoever those guys are.
Speaker 1: I think they just get footage from news copters and
Speaker 1: cop copters. You watch the shows I know I've talked about.
Speaker 1: I've seen them before. Yeah, they're they're just so I
Speaker 1: don't know. I followed. That's one of my guilty pleasures.
Speaker 1: Do you watch this still? Yeah? I mean it's not
Speaker 1: appointment television. I never know when or where they come on.
Speaker 1: But if I'm flipping it around and I'll see a
Speaker 1: police chase. I lived in l A. It's sort of
Speaker 1: a thing. Yeah, and apparently California has some of the
Speaker 1: most um police protective laws as far as pursuits go,
Speaker 1: they happen a lot out there. Yeah, and like the
Speaker 1: everybody just stops doing what they're doing and watches the
Speaker 1: live coverage of it sort of. Do you remember the guy,
Speaker 1: um who killed himself on live television after a police
Speaker 1: pursuit and yeah, showed it on Fox. I guess I
Speaker 1: saw that when it happened live. I remember very distinctly.
Speaker 1: It was like not like a movie. No, you know,
Speaker 1: like if you've ever seen someone shoot their head off
Speaker 1: with a shotgun in real life, it's nothing like. It's
Speaker 1: not some big dramatic movie thing. It's just sad. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it really was. It was like he might have been
Speaker 1: like making or gami or something like. It was just
Speaker 1: that pedestrian, yeah, or it. It was just like he
Speaker 1: just had the gun and he's pull it up and
Speaker 1: shot himself and he hunches over and just falls. It
Speaker 1: was It's weird. It was really weird to see. It
Speaker 1: was very sad. And of course all the kids that
Speaker 1: saw that, that's like it's terrible. Yeah. Um, So initially
Speaker 1: if someone takes off like you were talking about. The
Speaker 1: police officer that's on the scene has a decision to
Speaker 1: make to pursue or not to pursue. Lots of policies,
Speaker 1: one thing they want to do is run the tags.
Speaker 1: Is it a stolen vehicle where they just in an
Speaker 1: arm robbery or is it just somebody who has a
Speaker 1: couple of traffic tickets out or nothing at all on
Speaker 1: their record. Apparently the pursuit that enjoys the widest support
Speaker 1: around the country is if it's a violent criminal, um,
Speaker 1: somebody who poses an imminent threat to somebody else, somebody
Speaker 1: who's just carried out a violent act and is escaping.
Speaker 1: Like pretty much everybody says, chase that guy. Like if
Speaker 1: you said the person has a couple of traffic tickets
Speaker 1: or if they have nothing and they're the only reason
Speaker 1: to chase them is that they didn't pull over for you,
Speaker 1: that is not reason to pursue. And yet, of all pursuits,
Speaker 1: and I believe two thousand eleven were for traffic violations, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I know for the cops, has got to
Speaker 1: be their instinct, like go get that person. They're fleeing
Speaker 1: me for a good reason. Yeah, Like I get it,
Speaker 1: but they're when people are interesting, people are dying, there
Speaker 1: needs to be like some policy in place for sure.
Speaker 1: And apparently, Chuck, ninety one four percent of chases were
Speaker 1: for non violent crimes. I believe that. So, Um, if
Speaker 1: the cops says, Okay, this guy's this car just came
Speaker 1: back stolen, the guy just waved a gun, and it's
Speaker 1: a very clear case that he should pursue them, there
Speaker 1: are other things to consider, Uh, what's the what don't
Speaker 1: get him? What's what's traffic? Like, what's the word? Are
Speaker 1: the road conditions like rainy, is it dark? Neighborhood pedestrians everywhere?
Speaker 1: You might want to just kind of slowly tail the guy. Well,
Speaker 1: the one in Atlanta where they killed the trainer's wife,
Speaker 1: I think it was a sort of a busy afternoon
Speaker 1: in an urban areas, Like they shouldn't have been pursuing
Speaker 1: anyone at this point. Do you know what they were
Speaker 1: pursuing the person for? I don't remember. Um. And then
Speaker 1: so if they decided to like go ahead and pursue,
Speaker 1: then this this series of um procedures kind of come
Speaker 1: into place, like they need to be radio and back
Speaker 1: into headquarters immediately, right, And apparently they're every step of
Speaker 1: the way, or they just kind of keep the whoever
Speaker 1: they're talking to their supervisor posted on what's going on.
Speaker 1: The supervisor's role is to keep a cool head because
Speaker 1: they're not the one who the person isn't pulling over for,
Speaker 1: so they're they're not mad. They don't want to correct heads,
Speaker 1: you know. Um, So their their whole role is to
Speaker 1: to say, you know what, like we we should You
Speaker 1: just told me that there's some pedestrians around, this guy
Speaker 1: is not a violent offender. You don't don't complete this pursuit,
Speaker 1: or we have like we have chopper coverage, so back
Speaker 1: off with the cars and we can still like follow
Speaker 1: this car from above. Yeah, you know, like we're still
Speaker 1: gonna get our guy. Don't you worry about it? Um.
Speaker 1: One of my favorite things. If you watch the show Cops,
Speaker 1: you are well versed with the pit maneuver police I'm
Speaker 1: sorry pursuit intervention technique also called the tactical vehicle intervention,
Speaker 1: and that is the famous move. If a cop has
Speaker 1: you know, you'll hear them. They have to get clearance
Speaker 1: for the pit maneuver. Even they'll call it in and say, hey,
Speaker 1: I think I've got a chance for a pit, can
Speaker 1: I take it? And they'll say if you feel like,
Speaker 1: you know, the streets are clear enough and you know
Speaker 1: you have to do it on a turn, you don't
Speaker 1: just like run up beside someone and run them off
Speaker 1: the road. It's it's when they enter a turn the
Speaker 1: cop hits the gas and hits them on the left
Speaker 1: rear bumper and just basically spins them out. And uh,
Speaker 1: it's it works if done correctly, and they'll training. You know,
Speaker 1: you get trained when you get the defensive driving on
Speaker 1: the pit maneuver and they just spin out. You can't
Speaker 1: come out of it, can't come out of it. Your
Speaker 1: car spins. And that's generally on cops, at least when
Speaker 1: the guys will jump out of the car the car
Speaker 1: still rolling, and take off on foot. And then you
Speaker 1: hear these cops, you know, with the their miked up,
Speaker 1: so all you hear is like running in the dark
Speaker 1: with all this gear on. You're like, man, what a
Speaker 1: crappy job. But you know, check your heavy breathing just
Speaker 1: reminded me of something. Is it that time? It's time
Speaker 1: for a message break? All right? Heavy breathing? Indeed, So
Speaker 1: you were talking about the wildest police chases that kind
Speaker 1: of show that you like, I don't know who would
Speaker 1: watch stuff like that. Well, Grabs Throw takes the task. Um,
Speaker 1: those kind of shows for presenting a very um unbalanced
Speaker 1: picture of police chases. They don't show the cops backing
Speaker 1: off of pursuit becomes too dangerous. They don't show the
Speaker 1: cops crashing into a innocent by standards car, right. Um.
Speaker 1: They never say, well, this cop probably shouldn't have pursued
Speaker 1: this person because this is a minor violation. Um. And
Speaker 1: they they always kind of tend to present the police
Speaker 1: in a favorable light. Yeah, And I think it's more
Speaker 1: I don't know if they're out to make Oh maybe
Speaker 1: they are. I just think it's better TV obviously, like
Speaker 1: you wouldn't want to show and they're like, oh no,
Speaker 1: let's just back off and get back to the that
Speaker 1: for sure. Plus also they want to maintain a um,
Speaker 1: the kind of relationship with cops police departments that where
Speaker 1: they'll give them their footage. You know. Now, the shows
Speaker 1: are good for the cops. I'm sure we hear I
Speaker 1: don't know if you can hear those people. It sounds
Speaker 1: like a police chase is going on outside right now.
Speaker 1: I think it is this is this is really dramatic footage. Chuck,
Speaker 1: um uh, do you remember the O J thing specifically?
Speaker 1: Where were you then? How's in college? College? I remember too,
Speaker 1: of course, so I don't. The chase wasn't I didn't
Speaker 1: watch much of the chase. Remember the verdict? Yeah? I
Speaker 1: remember the chase specifically because they It was during the
Speaker 1: Knicks Rockets NBA playoffs and my buddy Justin is a
Speaker 1: huge Knicks fan, and he was really upset and he
Speaker 1: was just like, do you have to have it on
Speaker 1: every channel? And I agreed with It's like, why you
Speaker 1: know you're gonna preempt the basketball game. It's on a
Speaker 1: hundred channels. I can't in the one person out there
Speaker 1: that wants to watch the basketball game, but their ratings
Speaker 1: would have gone through the roof. And that was a
Speaker 1: low speech chase. That wasn't even that was just weird,
Speaker 1: you know, well, love speech chases are very weird. I'm
Speaker 1: a c It's just like, you know who I am.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna pull over. Yeah. So well, let's talk
Speaker 1: about the legalities of it, right. There's, like we said,
Speaker 1: there's pretty much no laws that restrict police chases. They
Speaker 1: have the right to do that in all cases. Yeah. Um.
Speaker 1: And as a matter of fact, they don't even have
Speaker 1: to have their lights and sirens running to engage in pursuit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a fact. Um. The there are department procedures regarding
Speaker 1: police chases though. But the thing is is, even if
Speaker 1: a cop violates department procedure and continues of pursuit, they're
Speaker 1: still not breaking any laws. So for example, in Washington,
Speaker 1: d C. You can only pursue if the suspect has
Speaker 1: engaged in a violent act or um, someone could be
Speaker 1: seriously hurt if the suspect were allowed to escape. Um.
Speaker 1: In Des Moines, Iowa, no more than three cars can
Speaker 1: engage in pursuit. Yeah, that makes good sense. It's a
Speaker 1: good rule, and you have to take into account a
Speaker 1: m the time of day, road and weather conditions, the
Speaker 1: nature of the offense, and the supervisor has to pursue,
Speaker 1: has to approve the pursuit. And then in Florida, Orange County, Florida,
Speaker 1: that's the Orlando area. Are they the ones that have
Speaker 1: real restrictive policies. Yeah, And as a matter of fact,
Speaker 1: they found that after in the year after they enacted
Speaker 1: their restrictive pursuit policies um felonies in Orlando declined. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what's up with that? I don't know, one of those
Speaker 1: weird things. Uh. There is also something called sovereign immunity UM,
Speaker 1: which is a government official is not liable for damages
Speaker 1: that occur while they're doing their job. Um. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: like old time common law. Yeah, old school, but these
Speaker 1: days there are a lot of muni valleys that have
Speaker 1: overridden that law with with other laws. Um. And like
Speaker 1: I think with the Georgia case, I think that cop
Speaker 1: was fired and brought up on charges, and I think
Speaker 1: they could even sue the police station. Yeah, with the
Speaker 1: but not themselves in overwriting the sovereign immunity laws. Most
Speaker 1: most departments or communities protect the cops individually but financially.
Speaker 1: But the institution can still be sued. Right, but they're
Speaker 1: not predicted criminally, Like, they can still be brought up
Speaker 1: on charges, they just can't be sued, I think, because
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure this Braves guy, I think he went
Speaker 1: upon trial. Well, but apparently if I'm wrong, then I'm
Speaker 1: gonna eat crow. But in California, you're basically out of
Speaker 1: luck if the cops mess up your storefront with their
Speaker 1: cars during your pursuit. Yeah, they their laws very much
Speaker 1: protect the cops for from that. Koul liability insurance would
Speaker 1: help out though, you would hope. But I mean, then
Speaker 1: your rates are gonna rise. What were you doing? Nothing?
Speaker 1: You just happen to have a store in the wrong
Speaker 1: place in l A. So that's a that's police chase.
Speaker 1: Is you got anything else? I got nothing else. They
Speaker 1: seem way more dangerous than I even thought, and I
Speaker 1: thought they were pretty dangerous before. Yeah, don't support those
Speaker 1: TV shows. People don't listen to me. Don't do as
Speaker 1: he says, not as he does. Right. Uh, if you
Speaker 1: want to learn more about police chases, you can type
Speaker 1: those words into the search bar. How stuff works. And
Speaker 1: since I said search part, what is it, Chuck? Is
Speaker 1: it time for listener mail? It normally would be, but
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