WEBVTT - How Police Chases Work 0:00:01.200 --> 0:00:04.640 Welcome to Stuff you should Know from House Stuff Works 0:00:04.680 --> 0:00:14.000 dot com. Dude, do you hey? And welcome to the podcast. 0:00:14.040 --> 0:00:17.680 I'm Josh and Clark. There's Charles W. Chuke Bryant, who's 0:00:17.760 --> 0:00:20.360 uh do you know? Someone on Twitter said that every 0:00:20.400 --> 0:00:25.400 time Chuck Bryant giggles, a baby bunny is born. Yeah. Yeah, 0:00:25.480 --> 0:00:28.480 and they mean it too. Wow. I love being responsible 0:00:28.480 --> 0:00:30.960 for all that joy in the world. You're doing it, man. 0:00:31.400 --> 0:00:33.239 So I guess you just opened the show with you 0:00:33.280 --> 0:00:35.519 were being chased by a police car in Great Britain. 0:00:36.240 --> 0:00:39.199 Just you did a British sorry. I guess it was 0:00:40.720 --> 0:00:43.080 yeah to do that. In the United States we have 0:00:43.159 --> 0:00:47.840 different sounding sorry. Well, in these days it's all kinds 0:00:47.840 --> 0:00:52.360 of crazy, like beeps and whistles. It's like that's like 0:00:52.360 --> 0:00:56.240 an American police cruiser today. Wow, listen is getting off 0:00:56.240 --> 0:00:59.040 to the great start. Let's let's try to keep it 0:00:59.080 --> 0:01:02.200 on the track, all right, on the U. E. D 0:01:02.360 --> 0:01:04.640 O C track. Yeah, this is what this is in 0:01:04.680 --> 0:01:10.000 our long running law enforcement series. You know, it's unequaled 0:01:10.080 --> 0:01:13.720 by any other topic except for death. I think you know, 0:01:14.000 --> 0:01:16.959 I think death might have it beat. Okay, maybe not, 0:01:17.040 --> 0:01:21.199 though we'll find out, all right. I guess go count 0:01:21.200 --> 0:01:24.520 them after this. Okay, Chuck, have you ever been in 0:01:24.560 --> 0:01:29.800 a police chase? Um? Have you ever been the object 0:01:29.840 --> 0:01:33.240 of pursuit in a police chase? Yeah? I was not driving. 0:01:33.560 --> 0:01:35.400 I was in a car one time when my friend 0:01:35.400 --> 0:01:39.080 decided to run from the cops. Wow, we lay it 0:01:39.120 --> 0:01:41.040 on us. Well, you know, it was just one of 0:01:41.080 --> 0:01:42.520 those things. We were in Athens and he made a 0:01:42.600 --> 0:01:46.240 very bad decision and uh we got away with it. 0:01:46.840 --> 0:01:49.960 No way. Yeah, we'll see. That's something that I find 0:01:50.040 --> 0:01:56.280 extremely interesting because I didn't realize until reading this article that, um, 0:01:56.320 --> 0:01:59.840 there are very few circumstances where a cop should feel 0:02:00.040 --> 0:02:04.240 justified it or would be justified in chasing you. Right. 0:02:04.960 --> 0:02:09.120 But that said, there are almost no laws whatsoever restricting 0:02:09.480 --> 0:02:12.760 police chases. It's this weird gray area. And I actually 0:02:12.800 --> 0:02:16.720 found there's activists online or saying, like say no to 0:02:16.760 --> 0:02:20.120 police chases, like restrict police chases, like create laws against 0:02:20.120 --> 0:02:22.840 police chases because these things are deadly and dangerous. Yeah. 0:02:22.880 --> 0:02:25.440 I think what about a hundred and forty innocent civilians 0:02:25.440 --> 0:02:29.280 were killed last year? Yeah three d About a person 0:02:29.360 --> 0:02:32.359 a day on average dies from a police chase, and 0:02:32.400 --> 0:02:35.120 about a third of those but yeah, last year a 0:02:35.200 --> 0:02:37.440 hundred and forty or just innocent bystanders. Yeah, that I 0:02:37.440 --> 0:02:40.480 mean that happened in Atlanta. That's happened in Atlanta a 0:02:40.480 --> 0:02:42.679 couple of times recently. One time the trainer for the 0:02:42.720 --> 0:02:46.920 Atlanta Braves his because he lost his wife to a 0:02:47.000 --> 0:02:51.640 cop smashing into her. And um. Then again more recently 0:02:51.639 --> 0:02:53.000 there was another case. I think it was a kid 0:02:53.080 --> 0:02:54.800 or something, but it was like it was sort of 0:02:54.840 --> 0:02:57.240 in the news lately. Yeah, And I mean you get 0:02:57.280 --> 0:03:01.360 the impression that and cops died too, like high speed pursuit. 0:03:01.680 --> 0:03:04.120 Is there high speed pursuing it. That's dangerous for everybody 0:03:04.120 --> 0:03:06.840 involving in leaving the cop um, But you get the 0:03:06.840 --> 0:03:12.120 impression that, like whatever the circumstances is just just not 0:03:12.240 --> 0:03:14.880 pulling over for being for a for a cop trying 0:03:14.880 --> 0:03:18.080 to pull you over is reason enough to get the 0:03:18.120 --> 0:03:21.200 cops tackles raised enough to chase you. Yeah, right off 0:03:21.240 --> 0:03:23.560 the bat, I think that would be any cops instinct, 0:03:23.639 --> 0:03:26.800 is gun it not like, well, let me check into 0:03:26.840 --> 0:03:29.680 his record and call my supervisor and see if they 0:03:29.720 --> 0:03:32.160 allow this, which a lot of times is policy. Now 0:03:32.200 --> 0:03:34.600 as we'll see, UM, there are procedures in place to 0:03:34.680 --> 0:03:37.440 kind of try to tamp down that emotion of the 0:03:37.440 --> 0:03:42.040 primary departmental policy. Basically though, like you said, not law right, 0:03:42.440 --> 0:03:44.920 So well, let's let's talk about this. Um Okay. When 0:03:45.000 --> 0:03:48.040 you go through the academy and you um get all 0:03:48.080 --> 0:03:51.480 your training, your gun training, you're hanging out with tackleberry 0:03:51.600 --> 0:03:53.640 and you learn how to make cool sounds like machine 0:03:53.640 --> 0:03:59.520 gun says or like yeah huh yeah, um, you you 0:03:59.640 --> 0:04:03.200 spend about a week probably a little less learning how 0:04:03.240 --> 0:04:06.080 to drive the car. Yea. Sadly only about two of 0:04:06.120 --> 0:04:09.880 those days are dedicated to high speed pursuit yeah, which 0:04:09.880 --> 0:04:12.440 apparently is an improvement over zero days, which is how 0:04:12.440 --> 0:04:14.640 it used to be. And like the forties and fifties. Yeah, 0:04:14.840 --> 0:04:17.520 I guess they just said good luck. Right, you should 0:04:17.520 --> 0:04:19.760 know how to drive fast, right. You know, if you're 0:04:19.760 --> 0:04:23.000 an old country sheriff, you probably ran moonshine exactly, or 0:04:23.040 --> 0:04:25.880 your cousin does at least. Um, but there there's a 0:04:25.920 --> 0:04:29.000 lot to it. Um in Ed grab Banowski, the grabster 0:04:29.800 --> 0:04:32.680 um points out that you know, in in a high 0:04:32.680 --> 0:04:36.239 speed pursuit, UH, cops car can be just as deadly 0:04:36.279 --> 0:04:38.120 as a cops gun, and they need to know how 0:04:38.160 --> 0:04:41.720 to use it just as well. And just as accurately, um, 0:04:41.760 --> 0:04:43.520 because not only do you not have to know how 0:04:43.520 --> 0:04:45.239 to drive, you have to know how to drive fast 0:04:45.279 --> 0:04:47.280 while you're also turning on the lights and the sirens 0:04:47.279 --> 0:04:50.200 and like calling in something and like all that other 0:04:50.279 --> 0:04:52.320 stuff has to be second nature to you so that 0:04:52.360 --> 0:04:55.039 you can focus on the driving while using just a 0:04:55.080 --> 0:04:57.480 minimal amount of your brain power on the other stuff. 0:04:57.839 --> 0:05:00.640 So part of the car training is just that how 0:05:00.680 --> 0:05:02.599 to run a police car stuff, because it's not like 0:05:02.600 --> 0:05:05.240 every other car, right. And if you, um, if you 0:05:05.640 --> 0:05:10.400 are being trained to to drive in high speeds in 0:05:10.480 --> 0:05:13.760 pursuit of a suspect and they send you to Colorado, 0:05:14.360 --> 0:05:16.800 you can be reasonably assured that you're gonna come back 0:05:17.000 --> 0:05:20.200 among the better trained police in the country because the 0:05:20.240 --> 0:05:24.080 Colorado State Police maintain a course, an Emergency Vehicles Operation 0:05:24.120 --> 0:05:26.839 course that is the cream of the crop. Did you 0:05:26.880 --> 0:05:29.080 see like the aerial view of it. Yeah, I mean 0:05:29.080 --> 0:05:33.960 they cover all the scenarios like UM on ramps and 0:05:34.000 --> 0:05:37.760 off ramps, um high speed turns, intersections. They've really got 0:05:37.839 --> 0:05:39.960 all laid out there and put you in a scenario 0:05:40.000 --> 0:05:41.960 where as close as you could get to like an 0:05:42.000 --> 0:05:45.240 active street. Right. It's like there's skid plates where the 0:05:45.279 --> 0:05:49.440 coefficient of friction is point one five compared Chuck to say, 0:05:49.760 --> 0:05:51.840 I'm just staying this off top of my head, a 0:05:52.320 --> 0:05:55.520 of coefficient of friction of like point nine five on 0:05:55.560 --> 0:05:58.760 a dry highway. So that's slick. Yeah, that's slick. They 0:05:58.760 --> 0:06:01.279 need to know how to not been out basically, Yeah, 0:06:01.279 --> 0:06:04.440 and that's I think the exception is a really elaborate 0:06:04.480 --> 0:06:07.239 course like this. I think a lot of local police 0:06:07.760 --> 0:06:11.080 still use the parking lot and the cones back, which 0:06:11.120 --> 0:06:14.440 is better than an orange cone. Then you put an 0:06:14.440 --> 0:06:18.960 egg on it like a Brady Bunch. Yeah. That was 0:06:19.000 --> 0:06:21.520 one of the greatest television shows of all time, The 0:06:21.560 --> 0:06:27.880 Brady Bunch. Yeah. Absolutely, Um, So let's talk about pursuit equipment. Right, 0:06:28.240 --> 0:06:30.760 Basically what we just said was police training. You get 0:06:30.760 --> 0:06:33.839 a couple of days maybe if you're lucky, you get 0:06:33.880 --> 0:06:36.040 a few days on like a really great course, maybe 0:06:36.040 --> 0:06:38.599 out in Colorado. For the most part, it's like, you 0:06:38.640 --> 0:06:41.280 know how to drive, just drive really fast. Here's your 0:06:41.320 --> 0:06:45.080 Crown vic Yeah. That the Ford Crown Victoria's is the 0:06:45.080 --> 0:06:47.960 most common police car, although they're using all sorts of 0:06:47.960 --> 0:06:49.919 different cars today. When you drive around you'll see like 0:06:49.960 --> 0:06:53.720 those Dodge Chargers and like the more souped up I know. Uh, 0:06:54.240 --> 0:06:56.720 I think in l A the State Patrol had those 0:06:56.800 --> 0:07:01.520 Mustangs like they really souped up sports cars. Um, apparently 0:07:01.560 --> 0:07:04.880 they're getting away from Crown Victoria's because that model of 0:07:04.960 --> 0:07:07.960 car had a big problem with it. Whereas if you 0:07:08.000 --> 0:07:10.280 were rear ended in a high speed collision your car 0:07:10.320 --> 0:07:12.560 blew up. Was that the pacer that did that? In 0:07:12.600 --> 0:07:16.440 the seventies the Pinto the Ford Pinto again, Ford had 0:07:16.480 --> 0:07:20.360 the opposite problem. If you if you um collided with 0:07:20.400 --> 0:07:22.000 something on the front end, all I thought it was 0:07:22.040 --> 0:07:25.440 the rear. I think it was the front. Well, let 0:07:25.440 --> 0:07:27.280 me tell you this. I learned about it from the 0:07:27.280 --> 0:07:31.240 movie Top Secret, where a Pinto like just barely hits 0:07:31.240 --> 0:07:33.920 a tree and then it's front and blows up, and 0:07:33.960 --> 0:07:37.920 then Ford ambulances for a while we're blown up to Yeah, 0:07:38.040 --> 0:07:41.120 So forward with the with the police inceptor Crowned vic 0:07:41.560 --> 0:07:46.200 Um created this, uh this chemical fire suppression system where 0:07:46.280 --> 0:07:49.960 right when you're rear ended at a high enough impact, 0:07:50.280 --> 0:07:53.560 forceful enough impact, this this fire suppression thing goes off. 0:07:53.920 --> 0:07:55.600 So even if there's not a fire, there's not going 0:07:55.680 --> 0:07:58.840 to be a fire anyway. Um, but apparently it's enough 0:07:58.880 --> 0:08:02.160 that some people are like, yeah, we're gonna go with 0:08:02.200 --> 0:08:05.480 the intrepid, right. Uh. You see a lot of Crown 0:08:05.480 --> 0:08:07.840 Picks in Atlanta to like just regular people driving them. 0:08:08.080 --> 0:08:09.840 It's like sort of a thing. Now. Yeah, it is 0:08:10.360 --> 0:08:13.480 completely a little spotlight. Yeah, it's like, man, don't mess 0:08:13.520 --> 0:08:16.840 with me like that out on the highway. So, um, 0:08:16.880 --> 0:08:18.880 there are some differences of course, tween a police car. 0:08:18.920 --> 0:08:20.840 If you think it's just a regular Crown Victoria, it 0:08:20.880 --> 0:08:23.880 is not or whatever it is. Um, A lot of 0:08:23.880 --> 0:08:26.119 times it does have more horsepower in the engine because 0:08:26.120 --> 0:08:29.200 they need that kind of juice. Um. And they weigh 0:08:29.240 --> 0:08:32.680 more obviously than your standard car because there's more guns 0:08:32.720 --> 0:08:37.280 and things you're gonna have like metal reinforced seat backs 0:08:37.280 --> 0:08:40.480 and things, so like you can't get stabbed in the 0:08:40.520 --> 0:08:44.000 back from the back seat if you did, or shootings 0:08:44.040 --> 0:08:45.440 or anything if you didn't do a good job of 0:08:45.840 --> 0:08:51.400 checking for weapons. Um. What else, extra transmission coolers and 0:08:51.440 --> 0:08:54.560 oil coolers. Yeah, because I mean like radiators. Like they 0:08:54.600 --> 0:08:57.680 don't turn their car off ever, like that heat heat 0:08:57.880 --> 0:09:00.679 builds up, so they have like oil coolers and transmission 0:09:00.679 --> 0:09:04.000 fluid coolers figure alternators to supply more power up to 0:09:04.080 --> 0:09:06.679 a hundred and thirty amps, if that means anything to you. 0:09:07.920 --> 0:09:10.480 And then lights, well in vinyl seats thtow in the rear. 0:09:10.600 --> 0:09:14.199 That's that's important. Yeah, You're never gonna find cloth interior 0:09:14.240 --> 0:09:17.000 in the back of a police car because suspects are dirty. 0:09:17.080 --> 0:09:20.719 They're dirty, and oftentimes they will poop and vomit and 0:09:20.800 --> 0:09:24.920 bleed and just do whatever whatever bodily fluid they can 0:09:25.000 --> 0:09:27.160 get out in that police car, they probably will, So 0:09:27.320 --> 0:09:30.360 they want to make it uh easily. You just get 0:09:30.360 --> 0:09:32.480 out the four nine and the paper towels and just 0:09:32.520 --> 0:09:37.800 clean it right there. Um lights Apparently they used to 0:09:37.880 --> 0:09:41.480 have them on the fenders and they said, you know what, 0:09:41.640 --> 0:09:43.640 this is visible, but it's not as visible as if 0:09:43.640 --> 0:09:45.920 it were on the roof. So they created with so 0:09:46.040 --> 0:09:49.400 as the light bar, and which it was a little 0:09:49.440 --> 0:09:51.120 more recent than I thought. It was the seventies that 0:09:51.200 --> 0:09:54.040 these things made their debut. Yeah, and I thought back, 0:09:54.080 --> 0:09:56.280 I was like, oh, yeah, you never see like cars 0:09:56.280 --> 0:09:58.800 in the sixties or or even early seventies with that 0:09:58.880 --> 0:10:01.760 light bar. So I was born and about the time 0:10:01.800 --> 0:10:04.520 the Lifebard came along. Yeah, I think, uh, you know, 0:10:04.600 --> 0:10:08.640 you remember seeing the single sirens sometimes or the double 0:10:08.760 --> 0:10:11.400 blue Dirty Harry would put on and do like a 0:10:11.520 --> 0:10:13.480 UI well something some were built in. But yeah, they 0:10:13.520 --> 0:10:15.560 also had the undercover cars. That was one of the 0:10:15.559 --> 0:10:18.360 great parts of any cop movie was when they got 0:10:18.360 --> 0:10:20.679 out the siren and put it on the roof. Um. 0:10:20.760 --> 0:10:23.400 And now you can get them at Spencer's Gifts. Summer 0:10:23.400 --> 0:10:26.400 blue and summer uh, summer blue and summer red. Though 0:10:26.440 --> 0:10:28.880 I've never known the distinction. I always thought ambulances were 0:10:28.920 --> 0:10:31.520 red and cops were blue. But in different cities I've 0:10:31.559 --> 0:10:33.880 seen cops have read. I think it depends on what 0:10:33.960 --> 0:10:36.640 side of the force you're on. Oh really yeah, like 0:10:36.720 --> 0:10:41.199 how your medic chlorine. So one thing they can do 0:10:41.320 --> 0:10:46.160 to uh, to prevent the chase from happening altogether. You've 0:10:46.200 --> 0:10:49.520 seen the old spike strip. They lay down these rubber 0:10:49.520 --> 0:10:51.600 mats with spikes all across the road, or they have 0:10:51.679 --> 0:10:54.440 them like uh, like an accordion. You just kind of 0:10:54.480 --> 0:10:56.880 throw and hang on to one end. And that's the 0:10:56.960 --> 0:11:02.320 quick version, and so that'll obviously disabled the fires. Um. 0:11:02.360 --> 0:11:05.000 You can the good old fashioned roadblock that you see 0:11:05.000 --> 0:11:09.000 in movies actually happens. They line up cars and except 0:11:09.080 --> 0:11:12.880 in this version there's not a conveniently parked tow truck 0:11:12.960 --> 0:11:18.360 ramp for the criminal to jump over everybody or bust through. 0:11:18.400 --> 0:11:20.439 I guess well, you have to be careful setting those 0:11:20.520 --> 0:11:23.480 up because it's normally going the criminals not going to 0:11:23.559 --> 0:11:27.040 try to push through the car, but they might try 0:11:27.080 --> 0:11:28.680 to go around. So you have to make sure that 0:11:28.720 --> 0:11:30.839 if you set up this roadblock, it's it's not like 0:11:31.280 --> 0:11:34.079 going to funnel them into somebody's house. I don't think 0:11:34.080 --> 0:11:36.319 you do that in like a neighborhood. That would be 0:11:36.320 --> 0:11:37.400 a good idea. You want to do it on a 0:11:37.440 --> 0:11:40.679 country road. And then modern techniques, which I think if 0:11:40.720 --> 0:11:42.880 they bring this stuff along, that's really where it's at, 0:11:43.320 --> 0:11:47.240 like microwave technology to disable the electrical system of a car, 0:11:47.920 --> 0:11:52.079 or shooting a laser high speed avoidance using laser technology 0:11:52.120 --> 0:11:55.320 HALT system of course, but they left out a couple 0:11:55.360 --> 0:12:00.360 of letters there. Oh yeah, it should be because toat 0:12:00.480 --> 0:12:04.120 that HALT it's not an acronym if you're leaving out 0:12:04.120 --> 0:12:08.199 words just to make it a cute word. All right, Um, 0:12:08.320 --> 0:12:10.760 so they like a lay ocean last name if they 0:12:10.760 --> 0:12:13.880 spelled it out correctly. So in that case, they're shooting 0:12:13.920 --> 0:12:16.560 a laser to cut off your fuel supply. But here's 0:12:16.600 --> 0:12:19.360 the rub. There is the vehicle that they're shooting it at. 0:12:19.400 --> 0:12:21.360 Has it has this special microchip in it? Yeah? I 0:12:21.360 --> 0:12:23.880 didn't look into that, did you. Is it like newer 0:12:23.960 --> 0:12:26.000 vehicles all that's my guess is that they're going to 0:12:26.080 --> 0:12:28.080 start putting these in all cars or something like they 0:12:28.120 --> 0:12:31.040 make some deal with That would be fine with me. 0:12:31.080 --> 0:12:34.840 I mean, it's better than pursuing somebody, absolutely, you know. Um. 0:12:34.920 --> 0:12:37.800 And then of course you have air support, either in 0:12:37.840 --> 0:12:40.240 the form of a police helicopter or like fifty news 0:12:40.240 --> 0:12:44.440 helicopters if the police chase out in California, um, or 0:12:44.440 --> 0:12:48.800 the World's Scariest Police Chase helicopter. Yeah, whoever those guys are. 0:12:49.040 --> 0:12:51.920 I think they just get footage from news copters and 0:12:51.960 --> 0:12:54.960 cop copters. You watch the shows I know I've talked about. 0:12:54.960 --> 0:13:00.319 I've seen them before. Yeah, they're they're just so I 0:13:00.600 --> 0:13:02.920 don't know. I followed. That's one of my guilty pleasures. 0:13:02.960 --> 0:13:04.760 Do you watch this still? Yeah? I mean it's not 0:13:04.800 --> 0:13:07.559 appointment television. I never know when or where they come on. 0:13:08.080 --> 0:13:10.400 But if I'm flipping it around and I'll see a 0:13:10.400 --> 0:13:13.160 police chase. I lived in l A. It's sort of 0:13:13.160 --> 0:13:17.600 a thing. Yeah, and apparently California has some of the 0:13:17.640 --> 0:13:22.800 most um police protective laws as far as pursuits go, 0:13:22.960 --> 0:13:25.040 they happen a lot out there. Yeah, and like the 0:13:25.200 --> 0:13:27.600 everybody just stops doing what they're doing and watches the 0:13:27.679 --> 0:13:30.040 live coverage of it sort of. Do you remember the guy, 0:13:30.240 --> 0:13:33.160 um who killed himself on live television after a police 0:13:33.160 --> 0:13:36.160 pursuit and yeah, showed it on Fox. I guess I 0:13:36.200 --> 0:13:39.400 saw that when it happened live. I remember very distinctly. 0:13:39.480 --> 0:13:43.400 It was like not like a movie. No, you know, 0:13:43.559 --> 0:13:46.160 like if you've ever seen someone shoot their head off 0:13:46.160 --> 0:13:48.520 with a shotgun in real life, it's nothing like. It's 0:13:48.520 --> 0:13:51.760 not some big dramatic movie thing. It's just sad. Yeah, 0:13:51.840 --> 0:13:54.360 it really was. It was like he might have been 0:13:54.440 --> 0:13:57.080 like making or gami or something like. It was just 0:13:57.160 --> 0:14:02.199 that pedestrian, yeah, or it. It was just like he 0:14:02.640 --> 0:14:04.360 just had the gun and he's pull it up and 0:14:04.559 --> 0:14:07.600 shot himself and he hunches over and just falls. It 0:14:07.679 --> 0:14:09.680 was It's weird. It was really weird to see. It 0:14:09.720 --> 0:14:11.319 was very sad. And of course all the kids that 0:14:11.360 --> 0:14:16.240 saw that, that's like it's terrible. Yeah. Um, So initially 0:14:16.280 --> 0:14:18.560 if someone takes off like you were talking about. The 0:14:18.600 --> 0:14:22.080 police officer that's on the scene has a decision to 0:14:22.120 --> 0:14:25.520 make to pursue or not to pursue. Lots of policies, 0:14:26.200 --> 0:14:28.360 one thing they want to do is run the tags. 0:14:28.960 --> 0:14:30.760 Is it a stolen vehicle where they just in an 0:14:30.800 --> 0:14:33.920 arm robbery or is it just somebody who has a 0:14:33.960 --> 0:14:36.920 couple of traffic tickets out or nothing at all on 0:14:36.960 --> 0:14:41.680 their record. Apparently the pursuit that enjoys the widest support 0:14:42.400 --> 0:14:46.320 around the country is if it's a violent criminal, um, 0:14:46.640 --> 0:14:49.120 somebody who poses an imminent threat to somebody else, somebody 0:14:49.120 --> 0:14:52.240 who's just carried out a violent act and is escaping. 0:14:52.760 --> 0:14:56.240 Like pretty much everybody says, chase that guy. Like if 0:14:56.240 --> 0:14:59.080 you said the person has a couple of traffic tickets 0:14:59.760 --> 0:15:04.440 or if they have nothing and they're the only reason 0:15:04.480 --> 0:15:06.400 to chase them is that they didn't pull over for you, 0:15:07.200 --> 0:15:12.200 that is not reason to pursue. And yet, of all pursuits, 0:15:12.320 --> 0:15:16.720 and I believe two thousand eleven were for traffic violations, Yeah, 0:15:16.760 --> 0:15:18.920 I mean, I know for the cops, has got to 0:15:18.920 --> 0:15:21.120 be their instinct, like go get that person. They're fleeing 0:15:21.120 --> 0:15:24.400 me for a good reason. Yeah, Like I get it, 0:15:24.440 --> 0:15:27.200 but they're when people are interesting, people are dying, there 0:15:27.200 --> 0:15:29.280 needs to be like some policy in place for sure. 0:15:29.440 --> 0:15:33.120 And apparently, Chuck, ninety one four percent of chases were 0:15:33.200 --> 0:15:37.840 for non violent crimes. I believe that. So, Um, if 0:15:37.880 --> 0:15:40.840 the cops says, Okay, this guy's this car just came 0:15:40.880 --> 0:15:44.000 back stolen, the guy just waved a gun, and it's 0:15:44.000 --> 0:15:46.800 a very clear case that he should pursue them, there 0:15:46.800 --> 0:15:49.800 are other things to consider, Uh, what's the what don't 0:15:49.920 --> 0:15:52.160 get him? What's what's traffic? Like, what's the word? Are 0:15:52.160 --> 0:15:56.640 the road conditions like rainy, is it dark? Neighborhood pedestrians everywhere? 0:15:57.000 --> 0:15:59.640 You might want to just kind of slowly tail the guy. Well, 0:15:59.680 --> 0:16:03.120 the one in Atlanta where they killed the trainer's wife, 0:16:03.160 --> 0:16:05.600 I think it was a sort of a busy afternoon 0:16:05.760 --> 0:16:09.680 in an urban areas, Like they shouldn't have been pursuing 0:16:09.720 --> 0:16:11.280 anyone at this point. Do you know what they were 0:16:11.280 --> 0:16:15.600 pursuing the person for? I don't remember. Um. And then 0:16:15.640 --> 0:16:18.680 so if they decided to like go ahead and pursue, 0:16:19.240 --> 0:16:23.720 then this this series of um procedures kind of come 0:16:23.760 --> 0:16:27.200 into place, like they need to be radio and back 0:16:27.240 --> 0:16:32.160 into headquarters immediately, right, And apparently they're every step of 0:16:32.200 --> 0:16:34.760 the way, or they just kind of keep the whoever 0:16:34.760 --> 0:16:37.880 they're talking to their supervisor posted on what's going on. 0:16:38.280 --> 0:16:41.880 The supervisor's role is to keep a cool head because 0:16:42.040 --> 0:16:44.200 they're not the one who the person isn't pulling over for, 0:16:44.320 --> 0:16:47.080 so they're they're not mad. They don't want to correct heads, 0:16:47.120 --> 0:16:50.600 you know. Um, So their their whole role is to 0:16:50.600 --> 0:16:53.440 to say, you know what, like we we should You 0:16:53.600 --> 0:16:56.520 just told me that there's some pedestrians around, this guy 0:16:56.640 --> 0:16:59.960 is not a violent offender. You don't don't complete this pursuit, 0:17:00.320 --> 0:17:04.840 or we have like we have chopper coverage, so back 0:17:04.880 --> 0:17:07.320 off with the cars and we can still like follow 0:17:07.359 --> 0:17:10.040 this car from above. Yeah, you know, like we're still 0:17:10.040 --> 0:17:13.680 gonna get our guy. Don't you worry about it? Um. 0:17:13.720 --> 0:17:16.159 One of my favorite things. If you watch the show Cops, 0:17:16.640 --> 0:17:20.400 you are well versed with the pit maneuver police I'm 0:17:20.400 --> 0:17:25.320 sorry pursuit intervention technique also called the tactical vehicle intervention, 0:17:25.440 --> 0:17:28.800 and that is the famous move. If a cop has 0:17:29.240 --> 0:17:31.040 you know, you'll hear them. They have to get clearance 0:17:31.080 --> 0:17:34.560 for the pit maneuver. Even they'll call it in and say, hey, 0:17:34.600 --> 0:17:37.200 I think I've got a chance for a pit, can 0:17:37.280 --> 0:17:39.560 I take it? And they'll say if you feel like, 0:17:39.680 --> 0:17:42.159 you know, the streets are clear enough and you know 0:17:42.240 --> 0:17:44.160 you have to do it on a turn, you don't 0:17:44.200 --> 0:17:46.640 just like run up beside someone and run them off 0:17:46.640 --> 0:17:49.520 the road. It's it's when they enter a turn the 0:17:49.880 --> 0:17:52.840 cop hits the gas and hits them on the left 0:17:53.359 --> 0:17:57.200 rear bumper and just basically spins them out. And uh, 0:17:57.280 --> 0:18:00.600 it's it works if done correctly, and they'll training. You know, 0:18:00.640 --> 0:18:03.240 you get trained when you get the defensive driving on 0:18:03.320 --> 0:18:06.720 the pit maneuver and they just spin out. You can't 0:18:06.760 --> 0:18:08.600 come out of it, can't come out of it. Your 0:18:08.600 --> 0:18:11.920 car spins. And that's generally on cops, at least when 0:18:12.320 --> 0:18:15.000 the guys will jump out of the car the car 0:18:15.000 --> 0:18:18.239 still rolling, and take off on foot. And then you 0:18:18.240 --> 0:18:20.399 hear these cops, you know, with the their miked up, 0:18:20.440 --> 0:18:24.000 so all you hear is like running in the dark 0:18:24.480 --> 0:18:26.320 with all this gear on. You're like, man, what a 0:18:26.480 --> 0:18:29.480 crappy job. But you know, check your heavy breathing just 0:18:29.520 --> 0:18:32.160 reminded me of something. Is it that time? It's time 0:18:32.200 --> 0:18:41.600 for a message break? All right? Heavy breathing? Indeed, So 0:18:41.880 --> 0:18:45.640 you were talking about the wildest police chases that kind 0:18:45.640 --> 0:18:47.480 of show that you like, I don't know who would 0:18:47.520 --> 0:18:50.040 watch stuff like that. Well, Grabs Throw takes the task. Um, 0:18:50.040 --> 0:18:54.240 those kind of shows for presenting a very um unbalanced 0:18:54.280 --> 0:18:59.520 picture of police chases. They don't show the cops backing 0:18:59.560 --> 0:19:02.080 off of pursuit becomes too dangerous. They don't show the 0:19:02.119 --> 0:19:05.520 cops crashing into a innocent by standards car, right. Um. 0:19:05.600 --> 0:19:08.760 They never say, well, this cop probably shouldn't have pursued 0:19:08.760 --> 0:19:13.040 this person because this is a minor violation. Um. And 0:19:13.200 --> 0:19:16.439 they they always kind of tend to present the police 0:19:16.440 --> 0:19:19.920 in a favorable light. Yeah, And I think it's more 0:19:21.480 --> 0:19:23.720 I don't know if they're out to make Oh maybe 0:19:23.760 --> 0:19:25.760 they are. I just think it's better TV obviously, like 0:19:25.800 --> 0:19:27.840 you wouldn't want to show and they're like, oh no, 0:19:28.080 --> 0:19:30.199 let's just back off and get back to the that 0:19:30.240 --> 0:19:32.560 for sure. Plus also they want to maintain a um, 0:19:33.200 --> 0:19:37.840 the kind of relationship with cops police departments that where 0:19:37.880 --> 0:19:40.440 they'll give them their footage. You know. Now, the shows 0:19:40.440 --> 0:19:42.159 are good for the cops. I'm sure we hear I 0:19:42.160 --> 0:19:44.320 don't know if you can hear those people. It sounds 0:19:44.320 --> 0:19:45.960 like a police chase is going on outside right now. 0:19:46.000 --> 0:19:50.840 I think it is this is this is really dramatic footage. Chuck, 0:19:51.040 --> 0:19:56.240 um uh, do you remember the O J thing specifically? 0:19:57.000 --> 0:20:02.040 Where were you then? How's in college? College? I remember too, 0:20:02.080 --> 0:20:05.000 of course, so I don't. The chase wasn't I didn't 0:20:05.000 --> 0:20:08.000 watch much of the chase. Remember the verdict? Yeah? I 0:20:08.080 --> 0:20:11.320 remember the chase specifically because they It was during the 0:20:11.400 --> 0:20:15.080 Knicks Rockets NBA playoffs and my buddy Justin is a 0:20:15.160 --> 0:20:17.879 huge Knicks fan, and he was really upset and he 0:20:18.000 --> 0:20:20.159 was just like, do you have to have it on 0:20:20.280 --> 0:20:23.399 every channel? And I agreed with It's like, why you 0:20:23.400 --> 0:20:25.240 know you're gonna preempt the basketball game. It's on a 0:20:25.280 --> 0:20:28.760 hundred channels. I can't in the one person out there 0:20:28.840 --> 0:20:31.240 that wants to watch the basketball game, but their ratings 0:20:31.280 --> 0:20:32.879 would have gone through the roof. And that was a 0:20:32.920 --> 0:20:35.760 low speech chase. That wasn't even that was just weird, 0:20:36.480 --> 0:20:39.400 you know, well, love speech chases are very weird. I'm 0:20:39.440 --> 0:20:41.680 a c It's just like, you know who I am. 0:20:41.840 --> 0:20:45.399 I'm not gonna pull over. Yeah. So well, let's talk 0:20:45.440 --> 0:20:48.600 about the legalities of it, right. There's, like we said, 0:20:48.640 --> 0:20:52.320 there's pretty much no laws that restrict police chases. They 0:20:52.359 --> 0:20:54.920 have the right to do that in all cases. Yeah. Um. 0:20:54.960 --> 0:20:56.439 And as a matter of fact, they don't even have 0:20:56.480 --> 0:20:59.520 to have their lights and sirens running to engage in pursuit. Yeah, 0:20:59.560 --> 0:21:04.400 that's a fact. Um. The there are department procedures regarding 0:21:04.440 --> 0:21:07.680 police chases though. But the thing is is, even if 0:21:07.840 --> 0:21:13.240 a cop violates department procedure and continues of pursuit, they're 0:21:13.240 --> 0:21:17.960 still not breaking any laws. So for example, in Washington, 0:21:18.040 --> 0:21:21.560 d C. You can only pursue if the suspect has 0:21:21.600 --> 0:21:24.760 engaged in a violent act or um, someone could be 0:21:24.800 --> 0:21:29.040 seriously hurt if the suspect were allowed to escape. Um. 0:21:29.119 --> 0:21:32.159 In Des Moines, Iowa, no more than three cars can 0:21:32.240 --> 0:21:34.879