1 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:04,640 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you should Know from House Stuff Works 2 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 1: dot com. Dude, do you hey? And welcome to the podcast. 3 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 1: I'm Josh and Clark. There's Charles W. Chuke Bryant, who's 4 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 1: uh do you know? Someone on Twitter said that every 5 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 1: time Chuck Bryant giggles, a baby bunny is born. Yeah. Yeah, 6 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 1: and they mean it too. Wow. I love being responsible 7 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 1: for all that joy in the world. You're doing it, man. 8 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:33,239 Speaker 1: So I guess you just opened the show with you 9 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:35,519 Speaker 1: were being chased by a police car in Great Britain. 10 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:39,199 Speaker 1: Just you did a British sorry. I guess it was 11 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 1: yeah to do that. In the United States we have 12 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:47,840 Speaker 1: different sounding sorry. Well, in these days it's all kinds 13 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 1: of crazy, like beeps and whistles. It's like that's like 14 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 1: an American police cruiser today. Wow, listen is getting off 15 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 1: to the great start. Let's let's try to keep it 16 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 1: on the track, all right, on the U. E. D 17 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 1: O C track. Yeah, this is what this is in 18 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 1: our long running law enforcement series. You know, it's unequaled 19 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 1: by any other topic except for death. I think you know, 20 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:16,959 Speaker 1: I think death might have it beat. Okay, maybe not, 21 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:21,199 Speaker 1: though we'll find out, all right. I guess go count 22 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 1: them after this. Okay, Chuck, have you ever been in 23 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 1: a police chase? Um? Have you ever been the object 24 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 1: of pursuit in a police chase? Yeah? I was not driving. 25 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:35,400 Speaker 1: I was in a car one time when my friend 26 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 1: decided to run from the cops. Wow, we lay it 27 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:41,040 Speaker 1: on us. Well, you know, it was just one of 28 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 1: those things. We were in Athens and he made a 29 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 1: very bad decision and uh we got away with it. 30 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 1: No way. Yeah, we'll see. That's something that I find 31 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 1: extremely interesting because I didn't realize until reading this article that, um, 32 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 1: there are very few circumstances where a cop should feel 33 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 1: justified it or would be justified in chasing you. Right. 34 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 1: But that said, there are almost no laws whatsoever restricting 35 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 1: police chases. It's this weird gray area. And I actually 36 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 1: found there's activists online or saying, like say no to 37 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 1: police chases, like restrict police chases, like create laws against 38 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 1: police chases because these things are deadly and dangerous. Yeah. 39 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 1: I think what about a hundred and forty innocent civilians 40 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 1: were killed last year? Yeah three d About a person 41 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:32,359 Speaker 1: a day on average dies from a police chase, and 42 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 1: about a third of those but yeah, last year a 43 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 1: hundred and forty or just innocent bystanders. Yeah, that I 44 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 1: mean that happened in Atlanta. That's happened in Atlanta a 45 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:42,679 Speaker 1: couple of times recently. One time the trainer for the 46 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:46,920 Speaker 1: Atlanta Braves his because he lost his wife to a 47 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:51,640 Speaker 1: cop smashing into her. And um. Then again more recently 48 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 1: there was another case. I think it was a kid 49 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:54,800 Speaker 1: or something, but it was like it was sort of 50 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 1: in the news lately. Yeah, And I mean you get 51 00:02:57,280 --> 00:03:01,360 Speaker 1: the impression that and cops died too, like high speed pursuit. 52 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 1: Is there high speed pursuing it. That's dangerous for everybody 53 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 1: involving in leaving the cop um, But you get the 54 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 1: impression that, like whatever the circumstances is just just not 55 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 1: pulling over for being for a for a cop trying 56 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:18,080 Speaker 1: to pull you over is reason enough to get the 57 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 1: cops tackles raised enough to chase you. Yeah, right off 58 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 1: the bat, I think that would be any cops instinct, 59 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 1: is gun it not like, well, let me check into 60 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:29,680 Speaker 1: his record and call my supervisor and see if they 61 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 1: allow this, which a lot of times is policy. Now 62 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 1: as we'll see, UM, there are procedures in place to 63 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 1: kind of try to tamp down that emotion of the 64 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 1: primary departmental policy. Basically though, like you said, not law right, 65 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 1: So well, let's let's talk about this. Um Okay. When 66 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 1: you go through the academy and you um get all 67 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 1: your training, your gun training, you're hanging out with tackleberry 68 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 1: and you learn how to make cool sounds like machine 69 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 1: gun says or like yeah huh yeah, um, you you 70 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 1: spend about a week probably a little less learning how 71 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 1: to drive the car. Yea. Sadly only about two of 72 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: those days are dedicated to high speed pursuit yeah, which 73 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 1: apparently is an improvement over zero days, which is how 74 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 1: it used to be. And like the forties and fifties. Yeah, 75 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 1: I guess they just said good luck. Right, you should 76 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 1: know how to drive fast, right. You know, if you're 77 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 1: an old country sheriff, you probably ran moonshine exactly, or 78 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 1: your cousin does at least. Um, but there there's a 79 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 1: lot to it. Um in Ed grab Banowski, the grabster 80 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 1: um points out that you know, in in a high 81 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:36,239 Speaker 1: speed pursuit, UH, cops car can be just as deadly 82 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 1: as a cops gun, and they need to know how 83 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:41,720 Speaker 1: to use it just as well. And just as accurately, um, 84 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 1: because not only do you not have to know how 85 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:45,239 Speaker 1: to drive, you have to know how to drive fast 86 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:47,280 Speaker 1: while you're also turning on the lights and the sirens 87 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:50,200 Speaker 1: and like calling in something and like all that other 88 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 1: stuff has to be second nature to you so that 89 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:55,039 Speaker 1: you can focus on the driving while using just a 90 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:57,480 Speaker 1: minimal amount of your brain power on the other stuff. 91 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 1: So part of the car training is just that how 92 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:02,599 Speaker 1: to run a police car stuff, because it's not like 93 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 1: every other car, right. And if you, um, if you 94 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 1: are being trained to to drive in high speeds in 95 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 1: pursuit of a suspect and they send you to Colorado, 96 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 1: you can be reasonably assured that you're gonna come back 97 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 1: among the better trained police in the country because the 98 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 1: Colorado State Police maintain a course, an Emergency Vehicles Operation 99 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:26,839 Speaker 1: course that is the cream of the crop. Did you 100 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 1: see like the aerial view of it. Yeah, I mean 101 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 1: they cover all the scenarios like UM on ramps and 102 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 1: off ramps, um high speed turns, intersections. They've really got 103 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 1: all laid out there and put you in a scenario 104 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 1: where as close as you could get to like an 105 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 1: active street. Right. It's like there's skid plates where the 106 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 1: coefficient of friction is point one five compared Chuck to say, 107 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:51,840 Speaker 1: I'm just staying this off top of my head, a 108 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 1: of coefficient of friction of like point nine five on 109 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 1: a dry highway. So that's slick. Yeah, that's slick. They 110 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:01,279 Speaker 1: need to know how to not been out basically, Yeah, 111 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 1: and that's I think the exception is a really elaborate 112 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:07,239 Speaker 1: course like this. I think a lot of local police 113 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 1: still use the parking lot and the cones back, which 114 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 1: is better than an orange cone. Then you put an 115 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 1: egg on it like a Brady Bunch. Yeah. That was 116 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 1: one of the greatest television shows of all time, The 117 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 1: Brady Bunch. Yeah. Absolutely, Um, So let's talk about pursuit equipment. Right, 118 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 1: Basically what we just said was police training. You get 119 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:33,839 Speaker 1: a couple of days maybe if you're lucky, you get 120 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:36,040 Speaker 1: a few days on like a really great course, maybe 121 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:38,599 Speaker 1: out in Colorado. For the most part, it's like, you 122 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:41,280 Speaker 1: know how to drive, just drive really fast. Here's your 123 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 1: Crown vic Yeah. That the Ford Crown Victoria's is the 124 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 1: most common police car, although they're using all sorts of 125 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:49,919 Speaker 1: different cars today. When you drive around you'll see like 126 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:53,720 Speaker 1: those Dodge Chargers and like the more souped up I know. Uh, 127 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:56,720 Speaker 1: I think in l A the State Patrol had those 128 00:06:56,800 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 1: Mustangs like they really souped up sports cars. Um, apparently 129 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 1: they're getting away from Crown Victoria's because that model of 130 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 1: car had a big problem with it. Whereas if you 131 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 1: were rear ended in a high speed collision your car 132 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 1: blew up. Was that the pacer that did that? In 133 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 1: the seventies the Pinto the Ford Pinto again, Ford had 134 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 1: the opposite problem. If you if you um collided with 135 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 1: something on the front end, all I thought it was 136 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 1: the rear. I think it was the front. Well, let 137 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 1: me tell you this. I learned about it from the 138 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 1: movie Top Secret, where a Pinto like just barely hits 139 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 1: a tree and then it's front and blows up, and 140 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 1: then Ford ambulances for a while we're blown up to Yeah, 141 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 1: So forward with the with the police inceptor Crowned vic 142 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 1: Um created this, uh this chemical fire suppression system where 143 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 1: right when you're rear ended at a high enough impact, 144 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 1: forceful enough impact, this this fire suppression thing goes off. 145 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 1: So even if there's not a fire, there's not going 146 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 1: to be a fire anyway. Um, but apparently it's enough 147 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 1: that some people are like, yeah, we're gonna go with 148 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 1: the intrepid, right. Uh. You see a lot of Crown 149 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 1: Picks in Atlanta to like just regular people driving them. 150 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 1: It's like sort of a thing. Now. Yeah, it is 151 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 1: completely a little spotlight. Yeah, it's like, man, don't mess 152 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 1: with me like that out on the highway. So, um, 153 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 1: there are some differences of course, tween a police car. 154 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 1: If you think it's just a regular Crown Victoria, it 155 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 1: is not or whatever it is. Um, A lot of 156 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:26,119 Speaker 1: times it does have more horsepower in the engine because 157 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 1: they need that kind of juice. Um. And they weigh 158 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:32,680 Speaker 1: more obviously than your standard car because there's more guns 159 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: and things you're gonna have like metal reinforced seat backs 160 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 1: and things, so like you can't get stabbed in the 161 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 1: back from the back seat if you did, or shootings 162 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 1: or anything if you didn't do a good job of 163 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 1: checking for weapons. Um. What else, extra transmission coolers and 164 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:54,560 Speaker 1: oil coolers. Yeah, because I mean like radiators. Like they 165 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:57,680 Speaker 1: don't turn their car off ever, like that heat heat 166 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:00,679 Speaker 1: builds up, so they have like oil coolers and transmission 167 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 1: fluid coolers figure alternators to supply more power up to 168 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:06,679 Speaker 1: a hundred and thirty amps, if that means anything to you. 169 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 1: And then lights, well in vinyl seats thtow in the rear. 170 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:14,199 Speaker 1: That's that's important. Yeah, You're never gonna find cloth interior 171 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 1: in the back of a police car because suspects are dirty. 172 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:20,719 Speaker 1: They're dirty, and oftentimes they will poop and vomit and 173 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 1: bleed and just do whatever whatever bodily fluid they can 174 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 1: get out in that police car, they probably will, So 175 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 1: they want to make it uh easily. You just get 176 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 1: out the four nine and the paper towels and just 177 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 1: clean it right there. Um lights Apparently they used to 178 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 1: have them on the fenders and they said, you know what, 179 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 1: this is visible, but it's not as visible as if 180 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 1: it were on the roof. So they created with so 181 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 1: as the light bar, and which it was a little 182 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 1: more recent than I thought. It was the seventies that 183 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 1: these things made their debut. Yeah, and I thought back, 184 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, yeah, you never see like cars 185 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 1: in the sixties or or even early seventies with that 186 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 1: light bar. So I was born and about the time 187 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 1: the Lifebard came along. Yeah, I think, uh, you know, 188 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 1: you remember seeing the single sirens sometimes or the double 189 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 1: blue Dirty Harry would put on and do like a 190 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 1: UI well something some were built in. But yeah, they 191 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 1: also had the undercover cars. That was one of the 192 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 1: great parts of any cop movie was when they got 193 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:20,679 Speaker 1: out the siren and put it on the roof. Um. 194 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 1: And now you can get them at Spencer's Gifts. Summer 195 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 1: blue and summer uh, summer blue and summer red. Though 196 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 1: I've never known the distinction. I always thought ambulances were 197 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 1: red and cops were blue. But in different cities I've 198 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 1: seen cops have read. I think it depends on what 199 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 1: side of the force you're on. Oh really yeah, like 200 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:41,199 Speaker 1: how your medic chlorine. So one thing they can do 201 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 1: to uh, to prevent the chase from happening altogether. You've 202 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 1: seen the old spike strip. They lay down these rubber 203 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 1: mats with spikes all across the road, or they have 204 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:54,440 Speaker 1: them like uh, like an accordion. You just kind of 205 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 1: throw and hang on to one end. And that's the 206 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:02,320 Speaker 1: quick version, and so that'll obviously disabled the fires. Um. 207 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 1: You can the good old fashioned roadblock that you see 208 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 1: in movies actually happens. They line up cars and except 209 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 1: in this version there's not a conveniently parked tow truck 210 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 1: ramp for the criminal to jump over everybody or bust through. 211 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:20,439 Speaker 1: I guess well, you have to be careful setting those 212 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 1: up because it's normally going the criminals not going to 213 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 1: try to push through the car, but they might try 214 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:28,680 Speaker 1: to go around. So you have to make sure that 215 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:30,839 Speaker 1: if you set up this roadblock, it's it's not like 216 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:34,079 Speaker 1: going to funnel them into somebody's house. I don't think 217 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:36,319 Speaker 1: you do that in like a neighborhood. That would be 218 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 1: a good idea. You want to do it on a 219 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:40,679 Speaker 1: country road. And then modern techniques, which I think if 220 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 1: they bring this stuff along, that's really where it's at, 221 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 1: like microwave technology to disable the electrical system of a car, 222 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:52,079 Speaker 1: or shooting a laser high speed avoidance using laser technology 223 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:55,320 Speaker 1: HALT system of course, but they left out a couple 224 00:11:55,360 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 1: of letters there. Oh yeah, it should be because toat 225 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 1: that HALT it's not an acronym if you're leaving out 226 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:08,199 Speaker 1: words just to make it a cute word. All right, Um, 227 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 1: so they like a lay ocean last name if they 228 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 1: spelled it out correctly. So in that case, they're shooting 229 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 1: a laser to cut off your fuel supply. But here's 230 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 1: the rub. There is the vehicle that they're shooting it at. 231 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 1: Has it has this special microchip in it? Yeah? I 232 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 1: didn't look into that, did you. Is it like newer 233 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 1: vehicles all that's my guess is that they're going to 234 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:28,080 Speaker 1: start putting these in all cars or something like they 235 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 1: make some deal with That would be fine with me. 236 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 1: I mean, it's better than pursuing somebody, absolutely, you know. Um. 237 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 1: And then of course you have air support, either in 238 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 1: the form of a police helicopter or like fifty news 239 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:44,440 Speaker 1: helicopters if the police chase out in California, um, or 240 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 1: the World's Scariest Police Chase helicopter. Yeah, whoever those guys are. 241 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 1: I think they just get footage from news copters and 242 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 1: cop copters. You watch the shows I know I've talked about. 243 00:12:54,960 --> 00:13:00,319 Speaker 1: I've seen them before. Yeah, they're they're just so I 244 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 1: don't know. I followed. That's one of my guilty pleasures. 245 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 1: Do you watch this still? Yeah? I mean it's not 246 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:07,559 Speaker 1: appointment television. I never know when or where they come on. 247 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 1: But if I'm flipping it around and I'll see a 248 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 1: police chase. I lived in l A. It's sort of 249 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 1: a thing. Yeah, and apparently California has some of the 250 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 1: most um police protective laws as far as pursuits go, 251 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 1: they happen a lot out there. Yeah, and like the 252 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 1: everybody just stops doing what they're doing and watches the 253 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 1: live coverage of it sort of. Do you remember the guy, 254 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 1: um who killed himself on live television after a police 255 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 1: pursuit and yeah, showed it on Fox. I guess I 256 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 1: saw that when it happened live. I remember very distinctly. 257 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 1: It was like not like a movie. No, you know, 258 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 1: like if you've ever seen someone shoot their head off 259 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 1: with a shotgun in real life, it's nothing like. It's 260 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 1: not some big dramatic movie thing. It's just sad. Yeah, 261 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 1: it really was. It was like he might have been 262 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:57,080 Speaker 1: like making or gami or something like. It was just 263 00:13:57,160 --> 00:14:02,199 Speaker 1: that pedestrian, yeah, or it. It was just like he 264 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 1: just had the gun and he's pull it up and 265 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 1: shot himself and he hunches over and just falls. It 266 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:09,680 Speaker 1: was It's weird. It was really weird to see. It 267 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:11,319 Speaker 1: was very sad. And of course all the kids that 268 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 1: saw that, that's like it's terrible. Yeah. Um, So initially 269 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:18,560 Speaker 1: if someone takes off like you were talking about. The 270 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 1: police officer that's on the scene has a decision to 271 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 1: make to pursue or not to pursue. Lots of policies, 272 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 1: one thing they want to do is run the tags. 273 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 1: Is it a stolen vehicle where they just in an 274 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 1: arm robbery or is it just somebody who has a 275 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 1: couple of traffic tickets out or nothing at all on 276 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 1: their record. Apparently the pursuit that enjoys the widest support 277 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 1: around the country is if it's a violent criminal, um, 278 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 1: somebody who poses an imminent threat to somebody else, somebody 279 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 1: who's just carried out a violent act and is escaping. 280 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 1: Like pretty much everybody says, chase that guy. Like if 281 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 1: you said the person has a couple of traffic tickets 282 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 1: or if they have nothing and they're the only reason 283 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 1: to chase them is that they didn't pull over for you, 284 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 1: that is not reason to pursue. And yet, of all pursuits, 285 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 1: and I believe two thousand eleven were for traffic violations, Yeah, 286 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 1: I mean, I know for the cops, has got to 287 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 1: be their instinct, like go get that person. They're fleeing 288 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 1: me for a good reason. Yeah, Like I get it, 289 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 1: but they're when people are interesting, people are dying, there 290 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 1: needs to be like some policy in place for sure. 291 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 1: And apparently, Chuck, ninety one four percent of chases were 292 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 1: for non violent crimes. I believe that. So, Um, if 293 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 1: the cops says, Okay, this guy's this car just came 294 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 1: back stolen, the guy just waved a gun, and it's 295 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 1: a very clear case that he should pursue them, there 296 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 1: are other things to consider, Uh, what's the what don't 297 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 1: get him? What's what's traffic? Like, what's the word? Are 298 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 1: the road conditions like rainy, is it dark? Neighborhood pedestrians everywhere? 299 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 1: You might want to just kind of slowly tail the guy. Well, 300 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 1: the one in Atlanta where they killed the trainer's wife, 301 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 1: I think it was a sort of a busy afternoon 302 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 1: in an urban areas, Like they shouldn't have been pursuing 303 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 1: anyone at this point. Do you know what they were 304 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 1: pursuing the person for? I don't remember. Um. And then 305 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 1: so if they decided to like go ahead and pursue, 306 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 1: then this this series of um procedures kind of come 307 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 1: into place, like they need to be radio and back 308 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 1: into headquarters immediately, right, And apparently they're every step of 309 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 1: the way, or they just kind of keep the whoever 310 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 1: they're talking to their supervisor posted on what's going on. 311 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 1: The supervisor's role is to keep a cool head because 312 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 1: they're not the one who the person isn't pulling over for, 313 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 1: so they're they're not mad. They don't want to correct heads, 314 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 1: you know. Um, So their their whole role is to 315 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 1: to say, you know what, like we we should You 316 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 1: just told me that there's some pedestrians around, this guy 317 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 1: is not a violent offender. You don't don't complete this pursuit, 318 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 1: or we have like we have chopper coverage, so back 319 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 1: off with the cars and we can still like follow 320 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 1: this car from above. Yeah, you know, like we're still 321 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:13,680 Speaker 1: gonna get our guy. Don't you worry about it? Um. 322 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:16,159 Speaker 1: One of my favorite things. If you watch the show Cops, 323 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:20,400 Speaker 1: you are well versed with the pit maneuver police I'm 324 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 1: sorry pursuit intervention technique also called the tactical vehicle intervention, 325 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 1: and that is the famous move. If a cop has 326 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 1: you know, you'll hear them. They have to get clearance 327 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 1: for the pit maneuver. Even they'll call it in and say, hey, 328 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 1: I think I've got a chance for a pit, can 329 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 1: I take it? And they'll say if you feel like, 330 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:42,159 Speaker 1: you know, the streets are clear enough and you know 331 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:44,160 Speaker 1: you have to do it on a turn, you don't 332 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:46,640 Speaker 1: just like run up beside someone and run them off 333 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 1: the road. It's it's when they enter a turn the 334 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 1: cop hits the gas and hits them on the left 335 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:57,200 Speaker 1: rear bumper and just basically spins them out. And uh, 336 00:17:57,280 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 1: it's it works if done correctly, and they'll training. You know, 337 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 1: you get trained when you get the defensive driving on 338 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 1: the pit maneuver and they just spin out. You can't 339 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 1: come out of it, can't come out of it. Your 340 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:11,920 Speaker 1: car spins. And that's generally on cops, at least when 341 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 1: the guys will jump out of the car the car 342 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:18,239 Speaker 1: still rolling, and take off on foot. And then you 343 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:20,399 Speaker 1: hear these cops, you know, with the their miked up, 344 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 1: so all you hear is like running in the dark 345 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 1: with all this gear on. You're like, man, what a 346 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 1: crappy job. But you know, check your heavy breathing just 347 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:32,160 Speaker 1: reminded me of something. Is it that time? It's time 348 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 1: for a message break? All right? Heavy breathing? Indeed, So 349 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:45,640 Speaker 1: you were talking about the wildest police chases that kind 350 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 1: of show that you like, I don't know who would 351 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 1: watch stuff like that. Well, Grabs Throw takes the task. Um, 352 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 1: those kind of shows for presenting a very um unbalanced 353 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 1: picture of police chases. They don't show the cops backing 354 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 1: off of pursuit becomes too dangerous. They don't show the 355 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 1: cops crashing into a innocent by standards car, right. Um. 356 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 1: They never say, well, this cop probably shouldn't have pursued 357 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 1: this person because this is a minor violation. Um. And 358 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:16,439 Speaker 1: they they always kind of tend to present the police 359 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:19,920 Speaker 1: in a favorable light. Yeah, And I think it's more 360 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 1: I don't know if they're out to make Oh maybe 361 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 1: they are. I just think it's better TV obviously, like 362 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 1: you wouldn't want to show and they're like, oh no, 363 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:30,199 Speaker 1: let's just back off and get back to the that 364 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 1: for sure. Plus also they want to maintain a um, 365 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 1: the kind of relationship with cops police departments that where 366 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:40,440 Speaker 1: they'll give them their footage. You know. Now, the shows 367 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:42,159 Speaker 1: are good for the cops. I'm sure we hear I 368 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 1: don't know if you can hear those people. It sounds 369 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 1: like a police chase is going on outside right now. 370 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 1: I think it is this is this is really dramatic footage. Chuck, 371 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 1: um uh, do you remember the O J thing specifically? 372 00:19:57,000 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 1: Where were you then? How's in college? College? I remember too, 373 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 1: of course, so I don't. The chase wasn't I didn't 374 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 1: watch much of the chase. Remember the verdict? Yeah? I 375 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 1: remember the chase specifically because they It was during the 376 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 1: Knicks Rockets NBA playoffs and my buddy Justin is a 377 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:17,879 Speaker 1: huge Knicks fan, and he was really upset and he 378 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:20,159 Speaker 1: was just like, do you have to have it on 379 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:23,399 Speaker 1: every channel? And I agreed with It's like, why you 380 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 1: know you're gonna preempt the basketball game. It's on a 381 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 1: hundred channels. I can't in the one person out there 382 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 1: that wants to watch the basketball game, but their ratings 383 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:32,879 Speaker 1: would have gone through the roof. And that was a 384 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 1: low speech chase. That wasn't even that was just weird, 385 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:39,400 Speaker 1: you know, well, love speech chases are very weird. I'm 386 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:41,680 Speaker 1: a c It's just like, you know who I am. 387 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:45,399 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna pull over. Yeah. So well, let's talk 388 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 1: about the legalities of it, right. There's, like we said, 389 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 1: there's pretty much no laws that restrict police chases. They 390 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:54,920 Speaker 1: have the right to do that in all cases. Yeah. Um. 391 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:56,439 Speaker 1: And as a matter of fact, they don't even have 392 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 1: to have their lights and sirens running to engage in pursuit. Yeah, 393 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:04,400 Speaker 1: that's a fact. Um. The there are department procedures regarding 394 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:07,680 Speaker 1: police chases though. But the thing is is, even if 395 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 1: a cop violates department procedure and continues of pursuit, they're 396 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 1: still not breaking any laws. So for example, in Washington, 397 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 1: d C. You can only pursue if the suspect has 398 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 1: engaged in a violent act or um, someone could be 399 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 1: seriously hurt if the suspect were allowed to escape. Um. 400 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:32,159 Speaker 1: In Des Moines, Iowa, no more than three cars can 401 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:34,879 Speaker 1: engage in pursuit. Yeah, that makes good sense. It's a 402 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 1: good rule, and you have to take into account a 403 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:41,119 Speaker 1: m the time of day, road and weather conditions, the 404 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 1: nature of the offense, and the supervisor has to pursue, 405 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 1: has to approve the pursuit. And then in Florida, Orange County, Florida, 406 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 1: that's the Orlando area. Are they the ones that have 407 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 1: real restrictive policies. Yeah, And as a matter of fact, 408 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:59,640 Speaker 1: they found that after in the year after they enacted 409 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 1: their restrictive pursuit policies um felonies in Orlando declined. Yeah, 410 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:08,200 Speaker 1: what's up with that? I don't know, one of those 411 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 1: weird things. Uh. There is also something called sovereign immunity UM, 412 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:16,440 Speaker 1: which is a government official is not liable for damages 413 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:20,400 Speaker 1: that occur while they're doing their job. Um. Yeah, that's 414 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:23,640 Speaker 1: like old time common law. Yeah, old school, but these 415 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:26,159 Speaker 1: days there are a lot of muni valleys that have 416 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:31,119 Speaker 1: overridden that law with with other laws. Um. And like 417 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 1: I think with the Georgia case, I think that cop 418 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 1: was fired and brought up on charges, and I think 419 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 1: they could even sue the police station. Yeah, with the 420 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 1: but not themselves in overwriting the sovereign immunity laws. Most 421 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:52,360 Speaker 1: most departments or communities protect the cops individually but financially. 422 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 1: But the institution can still be sued. Right, but they're 423 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 1: not predicted criminally, Like, they can still be brought up 424 00:22:57,560 --> 00:22:59,920 Speaker 1: on charges, they just can't be sued, I think, because 425 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:03,680 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure this Braves guy, I think he went 426 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 1: upon trial. Well, but apparently if I'm wrong, then I'm 427 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 1: gonna eat crow. But in California, you're basically out of 428 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 1: luck if the cops mess up your storefront with their 429 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 1: cars during your pursuit. Yeah, they their laws very much 430 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 1: protect the cops for from that. Koul liability insurance would 431 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:22,679 Speaker 1: help out though, you would hope. But I mean, then 432 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,359 Speaker 1: your rates are gonna rise. What were you doing? Nothing? 433 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 1: You just happen to have a store in the wrong 434 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:31,640 Speaker 1: place in l A. So that's a that's police chase. 435 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 1: Is you got anything else? I got nothing else. They 436 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 1: seem way more dangerous than I even thought, and I 437 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:38,440 Speaker 1: thought they were pretty dangerous before. Yeah, don't support those 438 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 1: TV shows. People don't listen to me. Don't do as 439 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,440 Speaker 1: he says, not as he does. Right. 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