WEBVTT - Celebrating 300 Episodes: A Q&A with Scott Brady 0:00:05.760 --> 0:00:08.000 Hello, and welcome to the Overland Journal Podcast. I am 0:00:08.039 --> 0:00:11.040 your host, Scott Brady, and I am here with the 0:00:11.080 --> 0:00:15.920 Overland Collective's head marketing man, so he is the director 0:00:16.400 --> 0:00:19.880 the highest level of marketing within the Overland Collective. But 0:00:20.440 --> 0:00:23.119 you've been in the industry a long time, you really 0:00:23.160 --> 0:00:25.360 care about what we do with Overland Journal. You really 0:00:25.480 --> 0:00:29.200 have done so much good to help us reinforce the 0:00:29.240 --> 0:00:32.240 brand of Overland Journal. So for me, I'm really grateful 0:00:32.240 --> 0:00:35.880 that you're on the podcast because you understand what we're 0:00:35.920 --> 0:00:39.120 trying to accomplish, which is genuine travel around the world, 0:00:39.600 --> 0:00:44.519 tell great stories, maintain editorial integrity, and you've spent a 0:00:44.560 --> 0:00:46.879 lot of time in the marketing world. So we're going 0:00:46.920 --> 0:00:49.800 to talk about where the Overland Journal podcast came from, 0:00:49.880 --> 0:00:52.479 why we do it, why it's important to us as 0:00:52.520 --> 0:00:54.920 a business, and the ways that you're helping us to 0:00:54.960 --> 0:00:55.360 grow the. 0:00:55.320 --> 0:00:56.360 Podcast as well. 0:00:56.640 --> 0:00:58.280 We'll talk a little bit about the gear that we 0:00:58.400 --> 0:01:01.320 use to record the podcast, and we've also got some 0:01:01.360 --> 0:01:04.160 folks here that are getting ready to take their grenadier 0:01:04.560 --> 0:01:06.400 to distant lands around the world. 0:01:06.440 --> 0:01:09.240 So we're going to answer a question of theirs and. 0:01:09.240 --> 0:01:14.000 A special thanks to Nitto Tire for supporting this week's podcast. 0:01:14.840 --> 0:01:18.200 The Terrain Grappler G three is the third generation of 0:01:18.240 --> 0:01:22.800 one of Overlanding's most trusted all terrain tires. 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You were asking me questions about 0:02:42.000 --> 0:02:45.280 the Grenadier. We had a long conversation, so you ended 0:02:45.360 --> 0:02:49.359 up buying a Grenadier, and now you're looking for ideas 0:02:49.400 --> 0:02:51.440 of shipping it to Australia. 0:02:51.480 --> 0:02:53.520 Is at the case and you. 0:02:53.440 --> 0:02:57.640 Want to go to Australia first and then Africa. It 0:02:57.720 --> 0:02:59.560 might be a little bit easier actually to go to 0:02:59.600 --> 0:03:02.120 Australia first, So I'll give you guys some things to 0:03:02.160 --> 0:03:05.760 think about. Australia is actually the most difficult of the 0:03:05.840 --> 0:03:08.560 continents of the countries in the world that we normally 0:03:08.560 --> 0:03:11.880 overland to to bring a vehicle in because of their 0:03:12.320 --> 0:03:17.720 agricultural and quarantine requirements. So the most important thing that 0:03:17.760 --> 0:03:20.160 you can do is to work with a customs agent 0:03:20.600 --> 0:03:24.000 that will help you import the vehicle. And these custom 0:03:24.160 --> 0:03:29.960 agents are bonded and ensured by their quarantine division to 0:03:30.040 --> 0:03:33.760 be able to perform these inspections when the car comes in. So, 0:03:33.880 --> 0:03:37.080 for example, when I had driven across Russia all the 0:03:37.080 --> 0:03:39.960 way to this little place called Magadan on the end 0:03:40.000 --> 0:03:43.560 of the road to Bones, which was the dirtiest, dustiest, 0:03:44.320 --> 0:03:47.040 muddiest road you could possibly drive in the world, and 0:03:47.080 --> 0:03:48.320 we get to the end of it. Now I've got 0:03:48.360 --> 0:03:50.800 to ship these cars to Australia and hopefully get them 0:03:50.800 --> 0:03:55.000 through quarantine. The cool thing about using a customs broker 0:03:55.200 --> 0:03:59.040 like that is if it fails a quarantine inspection, they 0:03:59.080 --> 0:04:03.680 can clean it within their quarantine area and then reinspect 0:04:03.680 --> 0:04:06.360 it the next day. If you try to bring the 0:04:06.400 --> 0:04:10.560 car in yourself and it fails inspection, it is a 0:04:10.640 --> 0:04:15.320 mandatory fourteen day quarantine. So imagine how much money you 0:04:15.320 --> 0:04:17.919 can spend in fourteen days in a hotel waiting for 0:04:17.960 --> 0:04:18.880 your car to come out. 0:04:19.320 --> 0:04:20.520 So you're going to really. 0:04:20.440 --> 0:04:23.719 Want to focus on using one of those customs brokers 0:04:23.800 --> 0:04:26.280 to help you through that process, and then they can 0:04:26.360 --> 0:04:30.080 recheck the car every day after if it's necessary. And 0:04:30.560 --> 0:04:33.440 when we brought those cars in from Russia to of 0:04:33.480 --> 0:04:35.000 the land Cruisers, it. 0:04:34.920 --> 0:04:37.240 Failed the inspection. On the first day. 0:04:37.440 --> 0:04:40.520 They found out where the problems were, which was actually 0:04:40.800 --> 0:04:44.000 in the winch line. There was some debris that had 0:04:44.000 --> 0:04:46.560 been wound up in the winchline, so the rest of 0:04:46.560 --> 0:04:49.160 the car was perfectly cleaned. It had been properly detailed. 0:04:49.480 --> 0:04:53.240 But when the inspection agent, which familiar with world drives, 0:04:53.320 --> 0:04:55.479 he pulls out the winchline and out comes all this 0:04:55.640 --> 0:04:58.560 dirt and debris and stuff, and it failed. So they 0:04:58.600 --> 0:05:02.080 had to take the winchlines off, clean them, properly, reinstall 0:05:02.120 --> 0:05:05.960 the winchlines, and then we were able to import the vehicle. Now, 0:05:06.000 --> 0:05:08.600 where you import the vehicle within the country will also 0:05:08.640 --> 0:05:11.440 affect the modifications that you can perform to the car 0:05:11.560 --> 0:05:14.880 and still allow it to be imported. So if you 0:05:14.920 --> 0:05:17.960 plan on lifting the vehicle more than about fifty millimeters 0:05:18.040 --> 0:05:20.320 or going more than plus one or plus two on 0:05:20.360 --> 0:05:22.320 the tire size, you're going to want to make sure 0:05:22.360 --> 0:05:24.400 you bring it into what's called Queensland. You guys may 0:05:24.400 --> 0:05:27.080 be familiar with that. That's a great place to import 0:05:27.080 --> 0:05:29.800 the car into Australia because they have some of the 0:05:29.800 --> 0:05:34.480 more relaxed vehicle requirements around lift and weight and everything 0:05:34.480 --> 0:05:37.080 else like that. But it's very common now in Australia 0:05:37.640 --> 0:05:40.719 for them to check the vehicle weight, the curb weight 0:05:40.880 --> 0:05:43.760 against the gross vehicle weight. Australians are one of the 0:05:43.760 --> 0:05:47.200 most strict in the world around driving a vehicle around 0:05:47.200 --> 0:05:49.600 the country if it is over a gross vehicle weight, 0:05:50.200 --> 0:05:52.479 So we want to make sure that the car without 0:05:52.480 --> 0:05:56.280 you in it, without your personal effects, weighs less than 0:05:56.320 --> 0:06:00.360 the gross vehicle weight of the Grenadier rating. Fortunately, the 0:06:00.400 --> 0:06:03.360 Grenadier has a big payload, so it's pretty hard to 0:06:03.400 --> 0:06:08.120 get that over weight unless you're adding some gold bullyon. 0:06:07.760 --> 0:06:08.960 In or something like that. 0:06:09.240 --> 0:06:11.120 But Queensland would be a great place to bring it 0:06:11.160 --> 0:06:13.279 in that you have to take it from the port. 0:06:13.360 --> 0:06:15.320 You're going to be given a pass from the port 0:06:15.720 --> 0:06:18.799 to the local police station and they're going to check 0:06:18.960 --> 0:06:22.640 your safety devices on the car. That's where they may 0:06:22.680 --> 0:06:25.719 do that gross vehicle weight check, but they're also going 0:06:25.800 --> 0:06:29.400 to check your turn signals, your indicators, your hazards, your 0:06:29.440 --> 0:06:33.160 seat belt functions, that all of your headlights are functioning properly. 0:06:33.520 --> 0:06:35.160 They're going to look at all of that stuff and 0:06:35.200 --> 0:06:37.599 then they're going to give you a temporary pass to 0:06:37.680 --> 0:06:40.320 drive it around the country. And once you've got it 0:06:40.360 --> 0:06:45.000 into any of the they're not states, the provinces of Australia. 0:06:45.040 --> 0:06:47.240 Once you've got the vehicle in then you can go 0:06:47.320 --> 0:06:50.560 anywhere you want in the country. So that's going to 0:06:50.600 --> 0:06:53.280 be an amazing trip. I think it would be a 0:06:53.279 --> 0:06:55.800 lot harder to go from Africa to Australia because the 0:06:55.880 --> 0:06:57.040 quarantine requirements. 0:06:58.279 --> 0:06:59.520 So RU also. 0:07:03.800 --> 0:07:06.919 Fantastic and Cape York I only did for the first 0:07:06.960 --> 0:07:09.440 time last year, and I went all the way up 0:07:09.440 --> 0:07:11.920 to tell the old telegraph track all the way up 0:07:11.960 --> 0:07:15.600 to the tip, the northernmost point in Australia. And you 0:07:15.640 --> 0:07:18.200 guys have the snorkel on your Yeah, make sure that 0:07:18.680 --> 0:07:20.720 you not only have the snorkel, but that someone's gone 0:07:20.760 --> 0:07:23.520 through and really checked all of the seals. That was 0:07:23.560 --> 0:07:26.040 the deepest water crossings that I've ever done on a trip. 0:07:26.640 --> 0:07:29.320 The water was so deep that I was looking through 0:07:29.360 --> 0:07:33.560 the windshield under the water in that seventy series land 0:07:33.560 --> 0:07:36.280 because fortunately it was very brief that I was that deep, 0:07:36.520 --> 0:07:38.360 but the winch wipers are going back and forth and 0:07:38.400 --> 0:07:39.559 I was under the water. 0:07:40.200 --> 0:07:41.400 You know, maybe had. 0:07:41.560 --> 0:07:43.640 Four or five inches left on the snorkel and then 0:07:43.680 --> 0:07:45.600 it popped back out of the hole. So you want 0:07:45.640 --> 0:07:48.360 to make sure that snorkel is functioning properly. But what 0:07:48.480 --> 0:07:52.960 an incredible road. It's a real challenge, real fun challenge 0:07:53.000 --> 0:07:56.040 for sure. And then the canning Stock route, because yours 0:07:56.120 --> 0:07:59.440 is a gas model is oh you bought it somewhere else, 0:07:59.560 --> 0:08:00.800 got it in New Zealand. 0:08:00.880 --> 0:08:01.200 Perfect. 0:08:01.600 --> 0:08:04.360 So the nice thing about the diesel is you should 0:08:04.680 --> 0:08:06.800 be able to make it to the basically the midway 0:08:06.840 --> 0:08:11.560 point of the Canningsock route, which is called ken Oorwachie. 0:08:11.560 --> 0:08:15.640 It's an Aboriginal small little village, but that's about halfway 0:08:15.680 --> 0:08:18.600 through that eighteen hundred kilometer trail. 0:08:18.240 --> 0:08:20.360 And they have fuel. It used to be that you had. 0:08:20.280 --> 0:08:22.840 To pre order and pre buy the fuel and have 0:08:22.920 --> 0:08:24.600 them stage. Have you done that route before at the 0:08:24.600 --> 0:08:25.880 Canningstot route. 0:08:26.040 --> 0:08:28.000 Yeah, Oh, you're gonna love it. You're gonna love it. 0:08:28.160 --> 0:08:29.040 You're gonna love it. 0:08:28.720 --> 0:08:32.439 It was one of the most incredible places that I've 0:08:32.480 --> 0:08:34.440 ever seen in the world because you're so remote for 0:08:34.480 --> 0:08:38.079 so long, you drive for ten We did it in 0:08:38.160 --> 0:08:41.280 almost ten days, but some people take two three four 0:08:41.320 --> 0:08:42.120 weeks to do it. 0:08:42.960 --> 0:08:43.920 And you just can't get. 0:08:43.760 --> 0:08:47.160 That remote anywhere in the world, and there's no services. 0:08:47.320 --> 0:08:49.800 You're on a two track in the middle of nowhere. 0:08:50.559 --> 0:08:53.599 The history of that route is incredible. So, yeah, you 0:08:53.600 --> 0:08:56.760 guys all have a wonderful time. Yeah, you have to 0:08:56.800 --> 0:08:59.000 keep please keep me up to date. And then we 0:08:59.000 --> 0:09:02.080 can let the listeners know know how your journey's going. 0:09:02.120 --> 0:09:03.679 And then you're gonna ship to Cape Town you think 0:09:03.679 --> 0:09:08.640 from there, or Durban maybe all of those places that 0:09:08.679 --> 0:09:12.920 you mentioned. So Namibi a, Botswana, South Africa. Of course, 0:09:13.240 --> 0:09:17.360 getting up into Zambia, you're spending some time in lsuit To, 0:09:18.280 --> 0:09:21.560 which is the mountain Kingdom of Africa, where you're at 0:09:21.640 --> 0:09:27.520 nine thousand feet driving your Grenadier Sauny passes famous beautiful 0:09:27.600 --> 0:09:30.560 road with switchbacks, getting up to the highest pub in 0:09:30.600 --> 0:09:34.760 Africa so important, Yeah, which is important. You gotta have 0:09:34.880 --> 0:09:37.000 you gotta have a beer at the highest pub in Africa. 0:09:37.080 --> 0:09:39.480 And then one place I'll have you guys right down 0:09:39.520 --> 0:09:42.439 on your planning list. But when you go into Botswana 0:09:42.440 --> 0:09:45.240 from South Africa, you're going to come through the Johannesburg 0:09:45.360 --> 0:09:48.760 area and start working your way up to Botswana. You're 0:09:48.800 --> 0:09:51.960 going to go into southern Botswana and it's called the 0:09:52.040 --> 0:09:57.160 Kama Rhino Reserve k hm A I believe, and it's 0:09:57.200 --> 0:09:59.840 the it's a rhino reserve that you can camp in 0:09:59.880 --> 0:10:05.160 a amongst the rhinos and it's absolutely incredible. So you 0:10:05.200 --> 0:10:07.360 can and you can self drive, yeah, and you can 0:10:07.400 --> 0:10:10.679 self drive. So you've got a little campsite and you're 0:10:10.679 --> 0:10:13.320 gonna go self, drive out in your own grenadier, and 0:10:13.360 --> 0:10:16.400 it'll be the sun will be setting and the rhinos 0:10:16.400 --> 0:10:18.760 will be back lit and they'll be dust in the air. 0:10:18.600 --> 0:10:20.960 And if you're lucky, you'll see some baby rhinos. 0:10:21.440 --> 0:10:22.640 But rhinos are just chilling. 0:10:22.760 --> 0:10:25.040 They're just chill, just not trying to kill you. 0:10:25.120 --> 0:10:27.720 Yeah, okay, they they give that off. 0:10:27.760 --> 0:10:30.480 They do give that vibe their nature's tank for sure, 0:10:31.040 --> 0:10:34.960 for sure. So the Comma Rhino Reserve do that. 0:10:35.000 --> 0:10:36.360 And of course you're gonna want to get up into 0:10:36.360 --> 0:10:39.319 the Oak of Bonga Delta there and please reach out. 0:10:39.360 --> 0:10:41.640 I'll give you guys all my tracks so that way 0:10:41.679 --> 0:10:43.800 you can do that route, and then from there would 0:10:43.840 --> 0:10:47.319 be easy to get over into the Caprivi Strip of Namibia, 0:10:47.720 --> 0:10:51.280 maybe even tip your toes into Angola, which I'd recommend, 0:10:51.760 --> 0:10:54.400 it's incredible deserts, and then from there you can be 0:10:54.480 --> 0:10:55.320 down into vent. 0:10:55.320 --> 0:10:58.400 Hook State, a great hotel, have some great food. 0:10:58.600 --> 0:11:00.640 And then you'll be back in South Africa before you 0:11:00.679 --> 0:11:02.960 know it. Thank you guys for being here and for 0:11:03.160 --> 0:11:05.800 always checking in. It's always nice to see your faces. 0:11:05.840 --> 0:11:08.480 Glad to hear that your adventure is still in the 0:11:08.520 --> 0:11:10.400 planning stages, and you guys are going to head out. 0:11:10.440 --> 0:11:12.840 So next time I see you, hopefully you're giving me 0:11:12.840 --> 0:11:14.480 the updates and all the places that you've been. 0:11:15.040 --> 0:11:17.920 All right, thank you, yeah, thank you? All right. 0:11:17.960 --> 0:11:20.240 So, anybody else in the audience have some questions for 0:11:20.360 --> 0:11:21.240 us on the podcast? 0:11:21.480 --> 0:11:24.240 What do you love about the Overland Journal podcast? 0:11:25.280 --> 0:11:27.000 So the question is what do I love about the 0:11:27.080 --> 0:11:28.880 Overland Journal podcast? In particular? 0:11:28.960 --> 0:11:32.520 I will say that this is the part of my 0:11:32.640 --> 0:11:34.880 job that I love the most. It's the thing that 0:11:34.920 --> 0:11:38.200 I do on a weekly or sometimes daily basis that 0:11:38.240 --> 0:11:40.000 brings me the most joy in my work. 0:11:40.000 --> 0:11:40.840 I would do it for free. 0:11:40.840 --> 0:11:43.199 I would pay to be able to do it because 0:11:43.240 --> 0:11:45.160 I get to meet people like these folks that are 0:11:45.160 --> 0:11:47.040 here in this tent with me that are looking to 0:11:47.080 --> 0:11:49.640 go see the world. Or I get to interview people 0:11:49.640 --> 0:11:52.320 who have gone and seen the world and it's not 0:11:52.400 --> 0:11:55.360 only changed them, it's changed their family, it's changed their 0:11:55.360 --> 0:11:59.360 outlook on life, on their profession. Many of them have 0:11:59.520 --> 0:12:03.240 created professions from it. So for me, it's incredibly inspiring 0:12:03.800 --> 0:12:06.240 to be able to sit across from someone who has 0:12:06.760 --> 0:12:09.840 explored some amazing part of the world and just see 0:12:09.880 --> 0:12:12.120 how it's changed them because I know how travels changed 0:12:12.160 --> 0:12:15.320 me in ways that I would have never expected. So 0:12:15.360 --> 0:12:18.440 it's incredibly humbling, and it's an important reminder for me 0:12:18.480 --> 0:12:21.360 on an almost daily basis that there's so much more 0:12:21.400 --> 0:12:23.040 of the world to see. Even though I've seen a 0:12:23.040 --> 0:12:25.160 little bit of it, there's so much more to see. 0:12:25.240 --> 0:12:26.719 So yeah, that's why I do it. 0:12:26.920 --> 0:12:31.760 You always, whether we're in person talking to people, or 0:12:31.800 --> 0:12:35.960 you're on the podcast or whatever, you always open yourself 0:12:36.040 --> 0:12:38.439 up to questions and give your email address. 0:12:38.480 --> 0:12:39.520 You're very open about all that. 0:12:39.920 --> 0:12:41.080 Do people take advantage of that? 0:12:41.360 --> 0:12:42.880 They do, actually quite often. 0:12:43.200 --> 0:12:46.640 Probably the most common way that people reach out to 0:12:46.679 --> 0:12:49.559 me is through direct message on Instagram. I think it's 0:12:49.600 --> 0:12:53.400 because a lot of travelers are just on Instagram, So 0:12:53.600 --> 0:12:55.599 if you want to reach out, it's Scott dot a 0:12:55.760 --> 0:12:57.959 dot Brady on Instagram, or if you go onto the 0:12:58.000 --> 0:13:01.520 expedition portal or the overline journal Instagram, those messages could 0:13:01.559 --> 0:13:04.640 get forwarded to me there as well. But people do 0:13:04.760 --> 0:13:07.800 reach out all the time. I would say about half 0:13:07.800 --> 0:13:10.959 the time it's something technical about the vehicle or question 0:13:11.000 --> 0:13:13.960 about a vehicle because it's such a big investment, and 0:13:14.000 --> 0:13:16.240 the other half the time is they're getting ready, like 0:13:16.280 --> 0:13:18.480 these folks, is I'm going to go drive the canting 0:13:18.480 --> 0:13:20.520 stock route and what do I what. 0:13:20.559 --> 0:13:22.440 A couple things that I really need to know. But 0:13:22.480 --> 0:13:23.840 they do reach out, Yeah for sure. 0:13:23.840 --> 0:13:25.840 If you had any relationships that have developed out of it. 0:13:26.520 --> 0:13:29.960 Yeah, definitely long friendships. I'm just I'm so fortunate that 0:13:30.120 --> 0:13:32.760 people are willing to reach out and then so then 0:13:32.760 --> 0:13:34.800 I get to meet them here at an event, which 0:13:34.880 --> 0:13:37.880 is which is so cool to be able to interact 0:13:37.880 --> 0:13:41.440 with someone that has had a life changing experience, and 0:13:41.480 --> 0:13:43.320 then I get to see them in person and you 0:13:43.360 --> 0:13:45.360 get to really learn about their life. 0:13:45.400 --> 0:13:46.080 So it's good. 0:13:46.200 --> 0:13:48.160 Sometimes they end up on the podcast. Yeah, how often 0:13:48.160 --> 0:13:51.640 has that happen? I would say, spot no, No, that's good. 0:13:51.720 --> 0:13:53.960 I would say that those a trial like these folks 0:13:54.040 --> 0:13:56.440 here have traveled a lot in their life. I remember 0:13:56.440 --> 0:13:59.280 in having conference conversations with you about that. But what 0:13:59.320 --> 0:14:02.040 she said is that it just opened them both up. 0:14:02.080 --> 0:14:05.360 It made them more open minded, more accepting, And I 0:14:05.360 --> 0:14:07.880 think that's the important thing. Is when we live in 0:14:07.920 --> 0:14:10.920 our little town, you hang out with the same people 0:14:11.679 --> 0:14:13.439 a lot of times, you believe the same things, you 0:14:14.080 --> 0:14:16.880 support the same sports team or whatever else. But to 0:14:16.920 --> 0:14:20.040 be in Spain at the World Cup, you don't really 0:14:20.040 --> 0:14:22.440 speak the language, but the energy of a place like 0:14:22.480 --> 0:14:27.680 that when they're celebrating their team, it's absolutely intoxicating. So 0:14:27.720 --> 0:14:29.520 I think that's a big piece of it, is being 0:14:29.600 --> 0:14:33.200 open to experiencing new cultures. Andy, who's in the tent 0:14:33.280 --> 0:14:37.160 here with us right now, we were traveling through Mauritania together, 0:14:37.600 --> 0:14:40.080 and both of us I've traveled a fair bit in 0:14:40.120 --> 0:14:42.920 my life, and it was Andy's first time into Africa, 0:14:42.960 --> 0:14:46.480 and we were both having an incredible moment in this 0:14:46.960 --> 0:14:51.840 historic Saharan village of Chingueti, which was at the start 0:14:52.040 --> 0:14:55.120 of the trans Sahara. It was where they would get 0:14:55.120 --> 0:14:58.440 their last supplies, and sometimes they were so heavily loaded 0:14:58.440 --> 0:15:02.560 that they would actually unload their books in these libraries 0:15:02.760 --> 0:15:04.760 at ching Weddy and some of these books have been 0:15:04.760 --> 0:15:08.800 there for nearly a thousand years, so it was such 0:15:08.800 --> 0:15:10.080 an incredible experience. 0:15:10.720 --> 0:15:13.320 So it changes us a lot. Travel definitely changes us. 0:15:13.400 --> 0:15:15.920 Yeah, I know you've kind of a common thread I 0:15:15.960 --> 0:15:18.360 think between you and I've Ashley talked about it on 0:15:18.400 --> 0:15:20.080 the podcast too. It is just getting out of your 0:15:20.080 --> 0:15:22.520 own head and getting out of the news cycle. There's 0:15:22.680 --> 0:15:26.040 obviously positives to free press and media, but also there's 0:15:26.720 --> 0:15:29.080 some pitfalls to listening to media too much and not 0:15:29.200 --> 0:15:31.200 just getting out there and experiencing it. But is there 0:15:31.200 --> 0:15:34.000 any notable places that maybe you've talked about or haven't 0:15:34.000 --> 0:15:35.120 talked about recently. 0:15:34.880 --> 0:15:37.560 Or haven't talked about that really changed your mind. 0:15:38.080 --> 0:15:41.000 I've been talking about how this is unsafe or scary 0:15:41.480 --> 0:15:43.600 or be careful of going there, and you went you 0:15:43.680 --> 0:15:45.880 were like dot it all. 0:15:46.240 --> 0:15:49.080 That's an important point and I appreciate you asking the question, 0:15:49.160 --> 0:15:52.400 because universally throughout the world, people are good. Yeah, there's 0:15:52.440 --> 0:15:54.760 going to be a small percentage of people in any country, 0:15:54.760 --> 0:15:57.760 including the United States or probably not New Zealand, but 0:15:57.960 --> 0:16:00.680 maybe even New Zealand, there's gonna be a percentage people. 0:16:00.480 --> 0:16:01.320 Who were bad people. 0:16:01.880 --> 0:16:04.040 But universally, the governments are going to be screwed up 0:16:04.040 --> 0:16:07.800 to some degree, maybe not New Zealand, but generally governments 0:16:07.840 --> 0:16:11.120 are screwed up, and generally people are really great. So 0:16:11.280 --> 0:16:13.800 for example, just when I was driving down West Africa, 0:16:13.840 --> 0:16:16.720 I went into countries that people would be terrified to 0:16:16.760 --> 0:16:20.520 travel to, like Nigeria or Cameroon, but these were the 0:16:20.560 --> 0:16:26.040 most warm and hospitable and supportive people. They're fascinated that 0:16:26.120 --> 0:16:28.040 we want to come see their country, and they're proud 0:16:28.040 --> 0:16:30.080 of their country, so of course they want to. 0:16:30.120 --> 0:16:31.080 Show us a great time. 0:16:31.120 --> 0:16:35.240 And we'd come to these military checkpoints in Nigeria and 0:16:35.320 --> 0:16:38.440 all the soldiers would like they'd salute us because they 0:16:38.480 --> 0:16:41.240 thought it was so cool that Americans were coming to 0:16:41.320 --> 0:16:44.800 see their country. So I would say that if you 0:16:44.840 --> 0:16:48.320 want to know how a place is, go to a 0:16:48.440 --> 0:16:50.600 first person account that's fairly recent. 0:16:51.280 --> 0:16:52.840 This is just good travel advice. 0:16:52.880 --> 0:16:56.400 So if you want to go to drive the Canning Stock, 0:16:56.520 --> 0:16:58.520 I can be helpful, but it's been quite a few 0:16:58.600 --> 0:17:00.560 years since I drove it. The best thing that you 0:17:00.560 --> 0:17:02.600 can do is find someone who drove it last season 0:17:03.240 --> 0:17:06.280 or earlier on in the season, or even better person 0:17:06.320 --> 0:17:10.000 coming from the other direction, because that power of recent 0:17:10.080 --> 0:17:12.840 and local knowledge is incredibly informative. 0:17:12.880 --> 0:17:13.960 So that what you don't want to. 0:17:13.960 --> 0:17:16.320 Do is ask your great aunt if you should go 0:17:16.400 --> 0:17:19.119 to Nigeria, because she's probably gonna say no because she 0:17:19.119 --> 0:17:20.800 doesn't know anything about it and it seems like a 0:17:20.840 --> 0:17:23.760 scary place that she's seen on TV is a scary 0:17:23.760 --> 0:17:26.760 place unless she's a big traveler. But in general, you 0:17:26.800 --> 0:17:30.280 want to take travel advice from someone who's very recently 0:17:30.640 --> 0:17:31.439 been in the country. 0:17:31.520 --> 0:17:33.240 Let's throw it back a little bit. Yeah, let's throw 0:17:33.280 --> 0:17:35.760 it back to nowhere. We're kind of talking about podcasting 0:17:35.760 --> 0:17:38.480 in general. What made you want to start the podcast, 0:17:38.600 --> 0:17:42.000 what was the impetus for it? And then would when 0:17:42.080 --> 0:17:43.600 did you realize that it was going to be quite 0:17:43.840 --> 0:17:47.200 successful to start? Obviously much more successful now, but I'm 0:17:47.200 --> 0:17:49.959 assuming after episodes one and two years, is this going 0:17:50.040 --> 0:17:50.280 to work? 0:17:50.359 --> 0:17:51.800 Can I make this happens? 0:17:51.880 --> 0:17:56.199 It's interesting it I have always enjoyed podcasts, and the 0:17:56.280 --> 0:17:59.800 podcast that I listened to the most before I started 0:17:59.800 --> 0:18:02.000 this one. It's run by a guy by the name 0:18:02.040 --> 0:18:05.159 of Tim Ferriss. He's one of the more popular podcasts, 0:18:05.160 --> 0:18:08.000 but he's just a really yeah and he's a traveler. 0:18:08.080 --> 0:18:11.200 He's like, he's into life hack and business stuff and 0:18:11.440 --> 0:18:15.320 travel and also remote travel and he's had some really 0:18:15.359 --> 0:18:19.119 fantastic guests on his podcast about travel. But that was 0:18:19.160 --> 0:18:21.400 my favorite podcast and I listened to it all the time, 0:18:21.440 --> 0:18:25.639 and I realized that we interact with so many incredible 0:18:25.680 --> 0:18:29.320 people through Overland Journal. We get to we have interviews 0:18:29.320 --> 0:18:32.280 that we conducted in print, so we have this opportunity 0:18:32.400 --> 0:18:34.880 to meet all these incredible folks that have been around 0:18:34.920 --> 0:18:38.040 the world, and I thought it's a healthy medium for 0:18:38.160 --> 0:18:40.840 us to add. Now I'll dig into the weeds a 0:18:40.880 --> 0:18:43.480 little bit. From the business perspective, one of the things 0:18:43.480 --> 0:18:46.680 that I've always been really careful of is not having 0:18:46.880 --> 0:18:52.200 some degree of ownership over the platform. So I've always 0:18:52.200 --> 0:18:55.639 been really careful of focusing too much on social media, 0:18:55.680 --> 0:18:58.360 because what happens if Instagram is no longer the big 0:18:58.359 --> 0:19:01.320 thing and something else is Yeah, and you've invested all 0:19:01.320 --> 0:19:04.280 of this energy in their expedition portal we started with, 0:19:04.760 --> 0:19:06.119 and we had the website. 0:19:06.200 --> 0:19:08.960 We had control over the website. We could make sure. 0:19:08.800 --> 0:19:11.120 That the content that went on there was family friendly 0:19:11.240 --> 0:19:13.760 and there was a degree of editorial integrity and all 0:19:13.760 --> 0:19:14.520 this other stuff. 0:19:14.680 --> 0:19:15.800 Same with the magazine. 0:19:16.080 --> 0:19:18.720 We could make it ourselves, we could find the right people, 0:19:19.240 --> 0:19:20.800 we could make sure that the content was at the 0:19:20.880 --> 0:19:23.160 level of quality that was important to us, and then 0:19:23.200 --> 0:19:25.760 we could have a relationship with the customer, directly to 0:19:25.800 --> 0:19:26.360 the customer. 0:19:26.840 --> 0:19:28.680 And so the podcast was the last. 0:19:28.400 --> 0:19:31.720