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Speaker 1: the tip of the iceberg. I'm Nancy Grace. This is

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Speaker 1: Fox Nation and Serious x one eleven. How did the

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Speaker 1: eight News, Now, that's not pretty threatening to spit on

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Speaker 1: what she ordered. Guys, again, this is not the first

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Speaker 1: time we've heard the I'm too pretty defense? Does the

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Speaker 1: name Lauren cut sharing Abelle Let's our friends at Inside Edition.

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Speaker 1: She said she was just too pretty to go to jail.

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Speaker 1: When she was arrested for do you want I'm a

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Speaker 1: too none other than miss Jody Arius, who was called

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Speaker 1: on Twitter and Insta at Nurmi. Unshane kirk Nurmi, your

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Speaker 1: have the show When a defendant or a person in general,

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Speaker 1: Now I'm looking at the current case Handbastami in her twenties.

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Speaker 1: make amends and put their relationship back together, the mom

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Speaker 1: takes Heather Mac on an all expense paid luxury vacation

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Speaker 1: to Bolly, and then after they've been there a few days,

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Speaker 1: the bellhop notices a bag out front, a huge piece

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Speaker 1: of luggage, and blood is sleeping from it. Heather Mac

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Speaker 1: and her boyfriend had actually killed the mother light we're

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Speaker 1: hearing in this case with this Tommy. In the Heather

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Speaker 1: Mac case, there were eighty six nine one one calls

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Speaker 1: made and the mom hens up dead. This is quite

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Speaker 1: a phenomena of the daughter berating and attacking the mother.

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Speaker 1: That's the thing that anyone would expect, right, Nancy. Usually

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Speaker 1: you feel like there's this unbelievable bond between a mother

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Speaker 1: and a child. But we're talking about a person who

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Speaker 1: has no empathy feelings, doesn't really understand that kind of

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Speaker 1: connection or had the ability to even feel for her

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Speaker 1: mother or love her mother. And so this callous act

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Speaker 1: which none of us can really empathize with or shared,

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00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 1: this is nothing to that daughter. There's no feeling about

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Speaker 1: killing a mother, stuffing her in the suitcase. It's absolutely

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Speaker 1: like she took a doll with the department put in

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Speaker 1: the suitcase. No difference time stories with Nancy Grace to

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Speaker 1: Lisa Daddio For a police lieutenant in Haven, PD, matricide

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Speaker 1: is very very rare, and when matricide that the murder

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Speaker 1: of your mother occurs, it's usually a son that commits

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Speaker 1: the murder. A daughter murdering her mother is almost unheard of, Lisa. Nancy,

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Speaker 1: you hit the nail on the head. We I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's so rare to see that and you know, if

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Speaker 1: it does happen, you try to look for those triggers

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Speaker 1: and the signs, and you know what was there along

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Speaker 1: the way for a daughter to have that much hatred

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Speaker 1: to kill her mother. It's honestly just astonishing. Guys. I

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Speaker 1: want you to take a listen to hand Bastami and

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Speaker 1: her nine one one call. And this has nothing to

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Speaker 1: do with a battery on a security guard at a

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Speaker 1: an elite a sophisticated party, or walking out on a

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Speaker 1: chili's tab. Listen, you need police, fire, medical, hi medical.

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Speaker 1: I think I killed my mommy? What's your address? That dooms?

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Speaker 1: Wis go south? What didn't? False? Guys? Why do you

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Speaker 1: think you killed your mom? Because I did? I murdered her.

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Speaker 1: How did you do that? Yes? But looked the table

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Speaker 1: on the y and I let it? You did? What

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Speaker 1: with the table? I get medical? Medical? Eight seven five nine?

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Speaker 1: Where are you and my mom? Well? I do need

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Speaker 1: to asma? You said what you and flower? Yeah? Okay?

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Speaker 1: What did you do to her? I killed your How

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Speaker 1: did you kill her? You said something about a table.

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Speaker 1: I ruged the table on your hole. You dropped the

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Speaker 1: table on her head. I rubbed the table on her

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Speaker 1: head and I taught her, Michael, can you cut? What

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Speaker 1: where are you at? Now? I'm in the whole. I

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Speaker 1: can hear her saying something about the water. Take a

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Speaker 1: listen to our friends Kaylas the nine one one call

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Speaker 1: a twenty eight year old woman made after she reportedly

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Speaker 1: killed her mother inside their South Valley home. Now. In

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Speaker 1: that call, police say, twenty eight year old hen Bustami

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Speaker 1: calmly described how she killed her mother before hanging up. Now,

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Speaker 1: we do want to warn you the details might be disturbing.

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Speaker 1: Why do you think you killed your mom? Because I did.

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Speaker 1: I murdered her. How did you do that table? Was?

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Speaker 1: Stammy told police she used shards of glass or a

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Speaker 1: broken table to allegedly stab her mother. After describing what happened,

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Speaker 1: was Stammy hung up? Now I remember regardless of what

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Speaker 1: you may how you may think, she sounds on the

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Speaker 1: nine one one call. Stami is a graduate of the

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Speaker 1: University of Nevada, Las Vegas with a full degree in

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Speaker 1: Hospitality administration and management, and she is also a dj

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Speaker 1: appropriately who goes under the name Aphrodite or Aphrodite, who is,

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Speaker 1: of course the goddess of beauty. She named herself that

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Speaker 1: David Charnes investigative reporter k Las Exactly how did she

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Speaker 1: allegedly murder her mother? So what we can tell from

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Speaker 1: the police report and obviously the buried disturbing nine on

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Speaker 1: one call there is police believe that Henboostami took a

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Speaker 1: like a glass table that was in a living room

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Speaker 1: and broke it over her mother's head and then, as

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Speaker 1: you heard her describe, there, take shards of the table

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Speaker 1: and then stab her mother with that. We understand her

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Speaker 1: mom was found with several stab wounds and cuts, and

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Speaker 1: as Henboostami described in the call herself, she said she

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Speaker 1: cut her neck off. I'm so definitely a gruesome, very

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Speaker 1: violent act that allegedly happened in there. And then as

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Speaker 1: you heard her describe, and you heard the beeping of

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Speaker 1: the car and then nine one one call, she then

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Speaker 1: got in the car and drove to California, much like

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Speaker 1: your client, Kurt and Army counsel to Jodi Arius after

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Speaker 1: murdering Travis Alexander, hops in the car, drives across the

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Speaker 1: desert and literally hops on and straddles her next boyfriend. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, we can see that. You know, even though

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Speaker 1: she is confessing to this, describing it, you can't see

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Speaker 1: that she really is that disturbed by what she's doing.

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Speaker 1: She's heading off, she's done with it, and she's moved on.

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Speaker 1: And I think that just goes to this whole narcissistic

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Speaker 1: idea that you know, she was justified what she did

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Speaker 1: and it was time for her to move on and

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Speaker 1: get on with her life and get away from the

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Speaker 1: murder scene. Doctor Katherine Maloney is joining US Deputy Chief

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Speaker 1: Medical Examiner Erie County Medical Examiner's office that's in Buffalo,

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Speaker 1: and you can find her at Nickel City Forensics dot com.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Maloney, the force it would have taken to pick

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Speaker 1: up one of those glass paneled coffee tables and crash

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Speaker 1: it down over her mother's head, that would require a

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Speaker 1: lot of physical strength and force. I mean, I would

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Speaker 1: think so those types of tables are very heavy, and

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Speaker 1: especially if her mother was even sitting, she'd have to

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Speaker 1: lift it up several feet in the air and then

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Speaker 1: taking shards of the glass and stabbing her mother over

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Speaker 1: and over. Doctor Maloney, I believe, and as a layperson,

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Speaker 1: you're the MD, I'm just a JD that the mother

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Speaker 1: had to know what was happening. If she had been

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Speaker 1: killed by just the blow to the head. I do

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Speaker 1: not believe that Bustami, her daughter, would have continued to

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Speaker 1: stab her. I think she was alive, maybe stunned, but

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Speaker 1: that she knew what was happening to her. Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's it's really hard to know, you know, it's really

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Speaker 1: hard to say. He would hope that she didn't know

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Speaker 1: what was happening, but yeah, I don't know. Back to

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Speaker 1: David Charms about how many stab homes do we know

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Speaker 1: the mother suffered, Belice described it as multiple lacerations, which

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Speaker 1: would mean scrapes, and then it was sort of revised

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00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 1: to say that he had had cut as well, because

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Speaker 1: according to the coroner, she died of multiple stab wounds.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how many, but as we know from

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Speaker 1: covering these cases before, and as you sort of alluded

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Speaker 1: to before, these are usually crimes of passion. So generally

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00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 1: we see multiple multiple stab wounds, and it was enough

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Speaker 1: for hand boostomy when she was arrested eventually in California

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Speaker 1: to be as police described, just covered in blood. Guys,

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Speaker 1: take a listen to Candies, Charles. Around two thirty Wednesday morning,

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Speaker 1: nine one Dispatch got a call from a woman saying

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Speaker 1: her mother was dead. Then the call disconnected. When they arrived,

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00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 1: they found a sixty two year old woman dead. We

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00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 1: then started looking for the vehicle and the daughter. CHP

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Speaker 1: was able to locate stop her taper at custody about

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Speaker 1: five am this morning in Barstow, California. As neighbors started

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Speaker 1: to hear the news, some tell me they were shocked,

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Speaker 1: but that this was not the first time the police

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Speaker 1: were here. She was in handcuffs in front of the house. Scheme,

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Speaker 1: I'm guessing she started to fight. Neighbors said that that

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Speaker 1: incident happened a couple of months ago, so coss have

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Speaker 1: been called over and over to the home. It culminated

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Speaker 1: in the murder of Bustami's mother. Take a listen to

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Speaker 1: our friends at Klaas eight. The twenty eight year old

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Speaker 1: woman accused of killing her mother in the home they

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Speaker 1: shared reportedly confessed to the crime and was covered in

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Speaker 1: blood during her arrest. Right now, hen Bustami is at

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Speaker 1: a California jail. Police say she called them early Wednesday

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Speaker 1: morning saying quote, I think I killed my mommy. The

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Speaker 1: victims was reportedly stabbed several times with shards of glass.

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Speaker 1: California Highway Patrol caught up with Bustami in Barstow, California.

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Speaker 1: We don't know yet when she will be brought back

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Speaker 1: to Las Vegas. Two pretty for jail. We'll see about that.

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Speaker 1: Nancy Gray's Calm story, signing off good bye friend,