WEBVTT - Lord Buckingham, I Presume: Charles Stopford

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<v Speaker 1>Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio Zaren Elizabeth.

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<v Speaker 2>How are you doing? Pretty well? I had a good

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<v Speaker 2>day to day he did. How about you? It was fun, exciting,

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<v Speaker 2>I read some cool stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>I like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Anytime I can like air out my head in new facts,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm always started.

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<v Speaker 3>Plus I love that for you.

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<v Speaker 2>How about you?

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<v Speaker 3>It was good day. It was nice and productive, and

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<v Speaker 3>then they came here.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry about that.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, this is the highlight of my day, my week,

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<v Speaker 3>my life. Do you know what's ridiculous?

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<v Speaker 2>I do. We recentally lost Matthew Perry, the actor. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and before he passed, he wrote this memoir of his life.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's one story in the memoir that I find

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<v Speaker 2>ridiculous and in a very loving way.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So you ever wanted to steal a rock star's wife?

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<v Speaker 2>Not personally Matthew Perry did. Oh god, yes he was,

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<v Speaker 2>he was. I guess. He had the short lived sitcom

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<v Speaker 2>with Valerie Burton Nelly. Oh right. The show was called Sydney.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I don't remember that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was in nineteen ninety. It was a sick

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<v Speaker 2>didn't last very long.

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<v Speaker 3>I wasn't born yet.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, anyway, he fell in love with her while they

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<v Speaker 2>were filming that show, apparently, and she was married to

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<v Speaker 2>Eddie van Halen of Van Halen fame, And in his

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<v Speaker 2>memoir The Friends, Lovers and the Big Terrible Thing, he

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<v Speaker 2>has this story where he says, and I quote, I

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<v Speaker 2>was obsessed with her and harbored elaborate fantasies about her

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<v Speaker 2>leaving Eddie van Halen living out the rest of her

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<v Speaker 2>days with me. I didn't stand a chance, of course.

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<v Speaker 2>That said, there was one night I was over at

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<v Speaker 2>Valerie and Eddie's house, just hanging out and gazing at Valerie,

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<v Speaker 2>trying to make her laugh. As the night progressed, it

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<v Speaker 2>was clear that Eddie had enjoyed the fruits of the

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<v Speaker 2>vine a little too hard one more time, and eventually

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<v Speaker 2>he just passed out, not ten feet from us. But still,

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<v Speaker 2>this was my chance. Oh God, if you think I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't actually have a chance in hell, you'd be wrong,

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<v Speaker 2>dear reader. Valerie and I had a long, elaborate makeout session.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh it was happening. Maybe she felt the same way

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<v Speaker 2>I did. I told her I had thought about doing

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<v Speaker 2>that for a long time, and she'd said it right

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<v Speaker 2>back to me.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, she never mentioned the incident ever again to anybody.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, and I'm sorry, but the kiss and tell aspect

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<v Speaker 3>of that come on.

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<v Speaker 2>But then when the memoir was released, she did acknowledge

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<v Speaker 2>on TikTok that yes she did have because I think

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<v Speaker 2>at that point Eddy van Halen had passed. So it

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<v Speaker 2>was like, Okay, I want her to like hoss of him, right,

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<v Speaker 2>I know, but like trying to become a rock star's wife,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just wild to me. He's like ten feet away.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like a high school thing. It's just alwady. He's

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<v Speaker 2>like and then you know fruit of the Vine, a

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<v Speaker 2>little Oh god, there you go.

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<v Speaker 3>Ridiculous, Yes, Rpeter, two thirds of them. Yeah, it's ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you want to know what else is ridiculous?

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<v Speaker 2>Please?

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<v Speaker 5>I'm here for it, faking it until you're making it. Oh,

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<v Speaker 5>this is Ridiculous Crime A podcast about absurd and outrageous capers.

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<v Speaker 5>Heis and cons it's always ninety nine percent murder free

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<v Speaker 5>and one hundred percent ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I know you heard that.

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<v Speaker 3>I totally heard it.

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<v Speaker 5>We've talked about a few dudes before. It never seems

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<v Speaker 5>to be ladies who either faked their deaths or created

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<v Speaker 5>new identities and started over as someone else.

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<v Speaker 2>Doesn't tend to be a thing that the ladies do.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, I'm sure they do, but.

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<v Speaker 2>They get away with It's why we're not talking about

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<v Speaker 2>it yet this show.

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<v Speaker 5>And for some this whole thing is really tempting, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>and for a smaller sum that temptation.

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<v Speaker 3>Is too strong to ignore. They do totally.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm fascinated by the psychology behind this. It's like, not

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<v Speaker 5>when they're running away from debt.

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<v Speaker 3>Or justice, sure, that's just cowardice.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm talking about when they just want to be someone

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<v Speaker 5>they aren't. Ah, you know, when they're so unhappy with

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<v Speaker 5>their reality that they ditch it and create this like

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<v Speaker 5>false reality in which to live the fake real.

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<v Speaker 3>So I have a Florida fred de Mara.

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<v Speaker 2>The guy who pretend to be a doctor.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, I mean that amount of time that he spent,

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<v Speaker 5>he probably could have just like become a doctor medical.

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<v Speaker 5>So I got this Florida man.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, already starts killing.

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<v Speaker 3>He didn't want to be a Florida man's wild.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, he was a Florida man who wanted to be

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<v Speaker 5>a Cambridge man, a landed man, a fancy lad of course.

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<v Speaker 5>Zaren close Eyes I'm just kidding, no, Zaren, I want

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<v Speaker 5>you to meet Charles Albert Stopford the third.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that his real name? Yeah, Charles, that's a Florida man.

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<v Speaker 3>Sounds like a proper English.

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<v Speaker 2>See why I was born in the wrong family.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh nay, old chuck. He was born in nineteen sixty

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<v Speaker 3>two in Orlando, Florida. Wow with that.

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<v Speaker 5>Name his Yeah, His dad, Charles Albert Stopford Junior, was

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<v Speaker 5>a Methodist minister. And there was a big old group

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<v Speaker 5>of Stopfords, seven boys and two girls. They had a litter,

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<v Speaker 5>Charles the third, he's the eldest.

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<v Speaker 2>So I know what their nighttime activities were.

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<v Speaker 5>So then there's this big family living in a house

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<v Speaker 5>provided by the Methodist church in Orlando in the sixties.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, what a time to be alive.

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<v Speaker 2>Seriously, Charles meant to be like church funded.

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<v Speaker 5>Sure, Charles feisty kid, super fisty. He was funny and

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<v Speaker 5>like if a little off color sometimes, and he loved

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<v Speaker 5>practical jokes. So you know that he went to like

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<v Speaker 5>a joke shop aimed at tourists, and his awakening was

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<v Speaker 5>getting one of those buzzers for your hand.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the handshake to like shock people when you shake

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<v Speaker 3>their hand. Problem had one of those, I know, I

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<v Speaker 3>knew you did, I could, I could have guessed.

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<v Speaker 5>The problem with those is that they're primarily used by kids,

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<v Speaker 5>uh huh, and like they have very few opportunities to

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<v Speaker 5>shake hands with people, so they like they can't just

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<v Speaker 5>sit and wait for it to happen, so they go

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<v Speaker 5>around asking to shake everyone's hands, and then they got

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<v Speaker 5>like this big disc in their palm.

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<v Speaker 3>It's super obvious ring around. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>Anyway, Charles the jokester so when he was in his

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<v Speaker 5>teens also.

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<v Speaker 2>Get Slipping a Whooper kitschien under somebody is difficult because

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<v Speaker 2>either the seat isn't the right height because you've put

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<v Speaker 2>it there already, or he tried to just throw it

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<v Speaker 2>in right at the last minute.

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<v Speaker 3>And then if they if they block the outlet, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't hear anything.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, exactly, but I'll tell you when it's when it's

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<v Speaker 3>done right, beauty Chef's kiss, so good, Charles. He is

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<v Speaker 3>a teen.

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<v Speaker 5>He stuck to my grandma's motto of act like you know,

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<v Speaker 5>and he snuck onto a US military base.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow yeah because a teen.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and he breezed his way into the officers club.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, but people thought he was like an officer's son.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, no, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 5>He just he was so confidently behaved, and he was like,

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<v Speaker 5>you know what, I'm supposed to be here?

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<v Speaker 3>How you doing a yes, sir.

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<v Speaker 5>Another time he dressed up as a fake DEA agent

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<v Speaker 5>in seventies Orlando. Wow, he got a fake gun and everything,

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<v Speaker 5>and then he went and shook down a local drug

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<v Speaker 5>dealer and confiscated his cash.

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<v Speaker 3>For real, son of a preacher man.

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<v Speaker 2>Dude, that's the move. That's my kind of criminal, right there. See,

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<v Speaker 2>no one cares if you're robbing drug dealers exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>So while all this tomfoolery is going on, Charles.

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<v Speaker 5>Was growing more and more enamored of the United Kingdom,

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<v Speaker 5>oh well England to be precise.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I figured.

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<v Speaker 3>So he had the.

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<v Speaker 5>Union jack flag aka the Butcher's apron on his bedroom wall, Like,

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<v Speaker 5>was it the who the sex pistols who radicalized him?

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<v Speaker 2>Seriously?

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<v Speaker 3>Turns out it was the Beatles, Beatlemania strikes again, the

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<v Speaker 3>Gateway Band and Monty Python.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, he's of course, but the joking, Yes, I

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<v Speaker 2>could see that.

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<v Speaker 5>So he'd hang out in his room and like listen

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<v Speaker 5>to Beatles' albums, watch Monty Python sketches, just like soak

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<v Speaker 5>up the Britannia of an all Britannia, and so much

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<v Speaker 5>so that he practiced his English accent and honed it

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<v Speaker 5>into something impressive.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you ever do that when you're a kid, No,

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<v Speaker 2>you didn't. Do you ever practice any accents as a kid?

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<v Speaker 3>No?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, My sister and I practiced all sorts of accents.

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<v Speaker 2>Unfortunately though it was like, yeah, picking the wrong like

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<v Speaker 2>model samulate, so like using like I don't know, the

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<v Speaker 2>Dick van Dyke Mary Poppins British accent's.

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<v Speaker 5>Going to get you nowhere exact well, like his dad.

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<v Speaker 5>His dad got a kick out of his accent. Oh

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<v Speaker 5>r bad, and he joined in and they would like

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<v Speaker 5>practice the accent together.

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<v Speaker 2>He plays on audience every Sunday, exactly. He's a performer exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>He showfolk.

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<v Speaker 5>So he got so Charles got so good at it

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<v Speaker 5>that he would convince substitute teachers that he was English really,

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<v Speaker 5>and he said, the reason he was at this Orlando

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<v Speaker 5>school is because his dad was like this well regarded

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<v Speaker 5>scientist on temporary loan to NASA.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a good story to tell.

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<v Speaker 5>I'd have worked the Disney angle, but that's just me,

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<v Speaker 5>although I would guess then that people would be asking

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<v Speaker 5>for like tickets, more questions. Yeah, exactly, So I take

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<v Speaker 5>it back, I would not work the Orlando Disney.

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<v Speaker 2>A NASA sounds impressive without going can I get in right?

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<v Speaker 3>Right?

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<v Speaker 5>So that was Charles until he was sixteen, and then

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<v Speaker 5>things changed for him. It was nineteen seventy eight and

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<v Speaker 5>his preacher dad stepped out on his mom Ooh yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>he actually ran off with a lady from the church.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, where else do you think he's going to

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<v Speaker 2>find people?

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<v Speaker 5>So he left his wife and kids high and dry,

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<v Speaker 5>took off, left them in the parsonage, and took.

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<v Speaker 3>Off with the new guys.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you for real?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm totally for real. So since none of the remaining

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<v Speaker 3>family members.

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<v Speaker 2>Your family, forgive me, I'm out.

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<v Speaker 5>None of the remaining family members were Methodist preachers, okay,

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<v Speaker 5>so they got evicted from said parsonage. Of course, the

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<v Speaker 5>church congregation took pity on them. They tried to like

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<v Speaker 5>help get them on their feet, but like somebody God, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>like how here's meet the deacon. The pain and the humiliation.

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<v Speaker 5>So Charles he got a job for a little while.

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<v Speaker 3>At Disney World, this is the late seventies.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, late seventies, and he had that amazing English accent. Course,

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<v Speaker 5>so he scored a gig in Epcot Center's United Kingdom pavilion.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, good for him.

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<v Speaker 3>Then when he graduated, way to make it.

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<v Speaker 2>Work, get paid for that act.

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<v Speaker 5>That works exactly, exactly. Don't hide your light under a bushel.

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<v Speaker 5>He graduates in nineteen eighty and joins the navy. Okay,

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<v Speaker 5>so remember how he loved pranks and such.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I didn't for I forget that.

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<v Speaker 3>Please don't ever forget that. Well, he escalated.

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<v Speaker 2>Good for him.

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<v Speaker 5>He thought he'd make a funny and he put an

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<v Speaker 5>explosive what I'm guessing is like an M eight firecrack probably,

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<v Speaker 5>and did the tailpipe of a car. Oh and choice

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<v Speaker 5>a car belonging to a member of the Deep State.

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<v Speaker 5>It belonged to the manager of a Burger King.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not the deep State, It's not No oh no Kings, Elizabeth,

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<v Speaker 2>No Burger Kings.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought the Burger King like controlled everything.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, you're thinking across Junior.

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<v Speaker 5>Well have it your way, Okay, Well it totaled the

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<v Speaker 5>car really, yeah, blew it right up?

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<v Speaker 3>Oops, This is.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I was gonna say, that's the danger, that's the

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<v Speaker 2>danger of it. You put it in a combustion across.

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<v Speaker 3>A burger king manager.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, and like track you down.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, black helicopters over your house and they.

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<v Speaker 2>You're still going with the deep state.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm wedded.

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<v Speaker 2>It's more fun.

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<v Speaker 3>Like you'll hear a click on the phone line. What

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<v Speaker 3>was that when you're talking?

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<v Speaker 2>You heard me, mister Hoover. You're gonna go through with it?

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<v Speaker 3>Your friend on the other one, what are you talking about? Now?

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<v Speaker 2>Heard? Do you heard that? Right?

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<v Speaker 3>All right?

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<v Speaker 2>So it's behind us in the car.

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<v Speaker 5>It's just before the Beverly Hills cop banana and the

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<v Speaker 5>tailpipe thing of course.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he's pretty trailblazing Maverick.

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<v Speaker 2>And also he didn't do the thing where you back

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<v Speaker 2>up the exhaust which then caused the car to bog

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<v Speaker 2>and do that. No, he blew up the gas.

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<v Speaker 3>The interior of it. Yeah. So the stunt got him attention,

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<v Speaker 3>that's for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>I bet it did.

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<v Speaker 5>He got arrested kind of attention. He got charged with arson,

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<v Speaker 5>criminal mischief and explosives possession. And the explosive charge is

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<v Speaker 5>what they went with, and that earned him sixty days

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<v Speaker 5>behind bars and then probation.

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<v Speaker 2>Something he did a British accent, not an Irish accent.

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<v Speaker 2>They'd be going.

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<v Speaker 3>A little iron cable, honey. Yeah. Needless to say, he

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<v Speaker 3>got kicked out of the Navy. I bet they didn't

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<v Speaker 3>like that.

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<v Speaker 2>They wanted to have you do their ordinances, not your

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<v Speaker 2>own exactly.

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<v Speaker 5>But in July of nineteen eighty two, he violated his probation.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know how, Like maybe he didn't check in

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<v Speaker 5>or something.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe voted, could be.

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<v Speaker 3>Either way. They he went into a Burger King. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>and the Burger King spies like someone lowered their newspaper,

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<v Speaker 3>like spoken to an earpiece.

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<v Speaker 2>We got him. I love your commitment to the pit

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<v Speaker 2>condors on the move.

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<v Speaker 5>All right, So they revised the agreement. Now he had

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<v Speaker 5>to meet weekly with his probation officer. Plus he had

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<v Speaker 5>to go to college.

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<v Speaker 2>That was the punishment. Yeah, I guess we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>make a good man out of you.

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<v Speaker 5>So but January the next year, Charles is totally not

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<v Speaker 5>having it. He went out and he got a passport expedited.

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<v Speaker 5>He threw some clothes in a suitcase, grabbed his other

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<v Speaker 5>ID stuff like his driver's license, bur certificet all that

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<v Speaker 5>sort of the real ones, the real ones. And he

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<v Speaker 5>bought a one way ticket out of the United States. Okay,

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<v Speaker 5>it's like probation is one thing, but forcing him to

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<v Speaker 5>go to community college to better himself was a.

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<v Speaker 3>Bridge too far.

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<v Speaker 2>I ain't cracking no books.

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<v Speaker 3>He didn't tell his family that he was on the run. No,

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<v Speaker 3>he told him he got a job.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh he did tell them something.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, He's like, I got a tech job. Guys. So

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<v Speaker 3>I mean it's eighty two and it's like the beginning

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<v Speaker 3>of like.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, howay for so we were not aware of like

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Apple, And.

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<v Speaker 5>He's like, so it's a tech job, but it's it's

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<v Speaker 5>overseas by and so they bought it because they'd hear

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<v Speaker 5>from him. They'd get postcards from him from like these

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<v Speaker 5>far flung places across the globe, like, oh, my job's great,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm loving life. He reached out to them from Germany, Spain, Italy, Greece, Egypt,

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<v Speaker 5>South Africa, Japan, and of course his favorite place, the

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<v Speaker 5>United Kingdom. Wait, did he really legitimately went to these places?

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<v Speaker 5>He just traveled the world. Sometimes he sent pictures to

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<v Speaker 5>his mom, like she's trying to process the whole thing,

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<v Speaker 5>like her family was sort of disintegrating in her hands

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<v Speaker 5>at this point.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I bet you still got younger kids.

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<v Speaker 5>Got younger kids, Yeah, because he's the old of the kids.

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<v Speaker 5>She later told ABC News, quote, I know he was

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<v Speaker 5>upset about the divorce between his father and I. That

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<v Speaker 5>upset him quite a bit, and I think he wanted

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<v Speaker 5>to get away from it. From Israel, Germany, some of

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<v Speaker 5>the English countryside. We always wait for him to send

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<v Speaker 5>the pictures and we would always.

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<v Speaker 3>Look at them. Sweet, she's so sweet.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think he was like, you know, on like ships,

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<v Speaker 2>like working his way.

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<v Speaker 3>Around It could be, it could be. We will never know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm just curious.

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<v Speaker 3>But then one day his.

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<v Speaker 5>Mom gets his little package, not photos, not a postcard,

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<v Speaker 5>just as Lost magazine put it, Charles's quote passport, birth certificate,

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<v Speaker 5>social security card, driver's license, Disney World ID, and every

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<v Speaker 5>other known piece of documentation proving the existence of Charles

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<v Speaker 5>Albert Stopford II. And after that the postcard stopped coming.

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<v Speaker 2>Did he have any letter explaining what he was doing?

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<v Speaker 2>Otherwise that's like, did he join the French Foreign Legion?

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<v Speaker 2>Was he abducted? What happened?

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<v Speaker 4>Was it?

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<v Speaker 2>The King of Burger was it the king.

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<v Speaker 5>So nothing by post after that, like, no tales of

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<v Speaker 5>cool adventures. But then in nineteen eighty six he did

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<v Speaker 5>something more than right.

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<v Speaker 2>He called good for him.

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<v Speaker 3>You wanted to put you and.

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<v Speaker 5>You wanted to let his family know I'm okay, I'm

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<v Speaker 5>actually married. He told them he and his wife are

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<v Speaker 5>expecting a child, a daughter. Good for and think Also

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<v Speaker 5>he'd changed his name, so his brother, Wesley Stopford later said,

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<v Speaker 5>we didn't think anything of it at the time.

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<v Speaker 3>People do that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, people changed their names. Vice brother changed any like

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<v Speaker 2>three four times.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right.

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<v Speaker 5>So you know who's to say his name now? Was

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<v Speaker 5>Christopher Buckingham.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, bro, you can't name yourself after the palace he.

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<v Speaker 3>Called.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like a Disney name. That's like a name for

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<v Speaker 2>a cartoon character.

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<v Speaker 3>He called his family in nineteen eighty six.

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<v Speaker 5>But it was actually three years earlier that he'd done

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<v Speaker 5>the whole name change thing. It was right after he

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<v Speaker 5>got to England. He was done trot the globe. He

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<v Speaker 5>wanted to settle down in what he thought of as

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<v Speaker 5>his like spiritual home.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure I feel that, yeah, So.

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<v Speaker 5>He went to the government archive and started searching and

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<v Speaker 5>I'm sure you know where this is going. It's a

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<v Speaker 5>classic identity theft move. He scanned through birth and death

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<v Speaker 5>records and he was looking specifically for a boy child

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<v Speaker 5>who died, as he would later put it at zero,

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<v Speaker 5>died at zero.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just supposed to do it before they get a

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<v Speaker 2>Social Security card, are the equivalent, and he needed to.

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<v Speaker 5>Get the birth certificate of a boy who died in

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<v Speaker 5>infancy so he could assume that identity. He found a

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<v Speaker 5>bunch of kids in the right age range with the

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<v Speaker 5>name Christopher Buckingham.

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<v Speaker 2>It totally works. I know people have done that, and

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<v Speaker 2>he liked.

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<v Speaker 5>The name, so he picked one of the Christopher Buckingham,

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<v Speaker 5>specifically Christopher Edward Buckingham.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, yeah, so that.

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<v Speaker 2>I shouldn't laugh. But my mother once dated a guy

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<v Speaker 2>named Buckingham. She used to tease me my parents got divorced.

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<v Speaker 2>You're lucky you almost were Zaron Buckingham. I'm like, you

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<v Speaker 2>would not have named he after the other guy.

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<v Speaker 3>And then Jimmy Buckingham Christopher Buckingh so weird right now.

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<v Speaker 5>The real Christopher Edward Buckingham was born on December twenty.

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<v Speaker 3>Fourth, nineteen sixty two, and like Christmas baby, Yeah, he.

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<v Speaker 5>Died about six months later, while on vacation with his parents.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Christopher means a gift of Christ, like they

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<v Speaker 2>really win.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, that's probably why they went with it, Edward and Audrey,

0:17:16.720 --> 0:17:20.919
<v Speaker 5>his parents, which is, it's so tragic to lose this

0:17:21.040 --> 0:17:24.600
<v Speaker 5>infant on vacation like beyond and the woo woo in

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<v Speaker 5>me thinks that the worst mojo of all is to

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<v Speaker 5>play around with something like that, to take that name.

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<v Speaker 5>But whatever, that's just me. Anyway, he put.

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<v Speaker 2>In, is there any child passing away that you would

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<v Speaker 2>think you could take their name? It wouldn't pass on

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<v Speaker 2>some bad woo woo? No, okay, don't do that, So

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<v Speaker 2>no name changes for you?

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<v Speaker 3>Then none.

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<v Speaker 5>No, I'm dying with the one I got. So he

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<v Speaker 5>put in a request for the birth certificate. A week

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<v Speaker 5>later it's his and now he just had to get

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<v Speaker 5>the rest of the pieces in place. He applied for

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<v Speaker 5>a national insurance number SMART and a driver's license and

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<v Speaker 5>then a passport at all. It took him like eight months.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't want.

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<v Speaker 5>To yeah, and he later told Lost magazine quote, I

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<v Speaker 5>relied on the inconsistencies in the system.

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<v Speaker 3>I just filled in the forms and sent them through

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<v Speaker 3>the post, so just you know, plain as day.

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<v Speaker 5>And so it was that on June twenty third, nineteen

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<v Speaker 5>eighty three, Charles Stopford the Third ceased to exist and

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<v Speaker 5>was reborn as Christopher Buckingham. Let's take a break for

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<v Speaker 5>some ads, and when we return, we're going to find

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<v Speaker 5>out what life has in store for.

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<v Speaker 3>Chris Zarin, Elizabeth, welcome, welcome back.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you. I was just enjoying some burger king.

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<v Speaker 3>You stopped.

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<v Speaker 2>You're making me where to get the burgers. You play

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<v Speaker 2>a deep state.

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<v Speaker 3>Put the wrapper outs in the garbage before I say

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<v Speaker 3>anything for there. So it's all it's got. It's wired,

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<v Speaker 3>and nano robots in the milkshakes. It's crazy. Sure, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>sure they do. It's anyway.

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<v Speaker 5>So Charles Stopford he became Christopher Buckingham. So long Orlando. Hello,

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<v Speaker 5>Southern Bavaria. Yeah, Buckingham. He didn't use his new English

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<v Speaker 5>identity to stay in England.

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<v Speaker 3>Smart, he got a job in Germany.

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<v Speaker 2>That's really smart, actually.

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<v Speaker 5>And when I first read Southern Bavaria, I thought it

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<v Speaker 5>said Southern Belgravia, and I like, hadn't heard such a

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<v Speaker 5>parsing of the posh London neighborhood before.

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<v Speaker 3>But what do I know?

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<v Speaker 5>And it turns out very little. But it also turns

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<v Speaker 5>out that he was in southern Bavaria, Germany.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a really smart move because they're going to have

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<v Speaker 2>even harder levels of trying to check. I mean, that's wowed.

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<v Speaker 3>He got a job at a dish on this show.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, he got a job as a dishwasher in a

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<v Speaker 5>cafe at like a tourist resort, and that's where.

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<v Speaker 3>He met a lovely young Canadian who was also working there.

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<v Speaker 3>Jody Doe. That's her real name.

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<v Speaker 5>It's not like you know, sometimes they run out of

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<v Speaker 5>Jane Doe's and they just, you know, unidentified bodies.

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<v Speaker 3>No, that's her name.

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<v Speaker 5>So he told all sorts of tall tales about his life,

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<v Speaker 5>inventing a backstory as he went. He said that he

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<v Speaker 5>was originally from England. I mean, that's the accent of

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<v Speaker 5>his dad was a diplomat, he said. Tragically, both of

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<v Speaker 5>his parents had died in the plane crash in Egypt.

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<v Speaker 2>When he was a boy.

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<v Speaker 5>You can't meet them, Kenja in jaw So he can't.

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<v Speaker 5>You can't ask him anything, you can't meet them. And

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<v Speaker 5>you know what, he's.

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<v Speaker 3>A citizen of the world.

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<v Speaker 5>It's like, I've traveled all over which he had. He

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<v Speaker 5>told her, A loner, a rebel. He told her that

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<v Speaker 5>before this Bavarian dishwashing adventure, that he had lived on

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<v Speaker 5>a kibbutz in Israel for a few months. So you know,

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<v Speaker 5>she's sold. Soon enough, they're married, She's like, I love this.

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<v Speaker 5>They stuck around Bavaria working at these various alpine hotels

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<v Speaker 5>and resorts. You know, they kind of became townies.

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<v Speaker 3>I suppose.

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<v Speaker 5>In July of nineteen eighty six, their daughter Lindsay was

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<v Speaker 5>born Lindsay Buckingham. I love that for her.

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<v Speaker 3>She'll be someone's silver spring one day. So that was

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<v Speaker 3>about the time that he last I.

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<v Speaker 2>Mean they had to know, they had to know and

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<v Speaker 2>kicking it in like eighty six, Lindsay Buckingham, why would

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<v Speaker 2>you do that.

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<v Speaker 3>To your daughter? So that was about the time that

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<v Speaker 3>he last reached hilarious that.

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<v Speaker 2>They didn't know and then they found out, Like when

0:21:37.760 --> 0:21:40.120
<v Speaker 2>she's four or five and she's memorized her name, they're like.

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<v Speaker 3>Who who Lee would what they it could be?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't listen to that that commusic.

0:21:44.920 --> 0:21:46.280
<v Speaker 3>They just listened to classical music.

0:21:46.400 --> 0:21:49.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they they don't know all about the about that bok.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, so he she gets she's born, and that's around

0:21:52.400 --> 0:21:53.480
<v Speaker 5>the time that he calls his mom.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was guessing.

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<v Speaker 5>And so when the babies a year old, they moved

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<v Speaker 5>to London and actually to like a grubby studio flat

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<v Speaker 5>just outside London. London's crazy expensive and it was then too,

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah it is big. Buckingham was doing his best to

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<v Speaker 5>work his way up, so he got a job an

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<v Speaker 5>it gig at Reuter's.

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<v Speaker 2>He really isn't tech, yeah, I.

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<v Speaker 5>Guess he does like computers, and it was this solid job. Sure,

0:22:17.720 --> 0:22:19.680
<v Speaker 5>and his wife gave birth to their son.

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<v Speaker 2>Edward mcfleetwood.

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<v Speaker 3>Edward mcfleetwood Buckingham.

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<v Speaker 2>Edwards named it after farmer King's.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, but isn't that like yeah, he just sounds British.

0:22:31.960 --> 0:22:34.400
<v Speaker 3>But I think that was also his fake middle name.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh right, Yeah. Then they called him Teddy.

0:22:37.760 --> 0:22:39.880
<v Speaker 3>Teddy Buckingham, Teddy Bucks.

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<v Speaker 5>So he worked bucking He worked his way up through

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<v Speaker 5>through Reuter's little by little, and he went from general

0:22:45.280 --> 0:22:48.399
<v Speaker 5>it to like computer security. He just rose to ranks

0:22:48.760 --> 0:22:50.520
<v Speaker 5>and he was finally able to buy a house for

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<v Speaker 5>his family in Northampton, between London and Birmingham. Pretty much,

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<v Speaker 5>and there they lived happily until nineteen ninety six. Things

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<v Speaker 5>weren't were between Christopher and Jody, so they separated. Oh yeah,

0:23:04.720 --> 0:23:06.880
<v Speaker 5>Jody had been growing.

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<v Speaker 2>Packed out the trauma of his own child.

0:23:12.640 --> 0:23:15.600
<v Speaker 5>Jody was suspicious of her husband, like he disappear for

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<v Speaker 5>days at a time, and he was so secretive about

0:23:18.840 --> 0:23:22.160
<v Speaker 5>his life before they met. He didn't have any keepsakes

0:23:22.240 --> 0:23:26.040
<v Speaker 5>or mementos, nothing, nothing, and he didn't like to talk

0:23:26.080 --> 0:23:29.680
<v Speaker 5>about his past or offer specific so she started digging.

0:23:30.040 --> 0:23:32.440
<v Speaker 5>So first she put an ad in the Times of London,

0:23:32.640 --> 0:23:34.600
<v Speaker 5>which is like, you're hoping he doesn't see it.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 5>She detailed her husband's basic biographical details and asked for

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<v Speaker 5>any further information anyone might have. That's bold, but maybe

0:23:43.800 --> 0:23:45.280
<v Speaker 5>she's like, I know he doesn't read, he.

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<v Speaker 2>Doesn't awsapuy, I do respect like you. She wants answers.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to do exactly.

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<v Speaker 5>So then she reached out to the UK Home Office

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<v Speaker 5>because she's like, I want to know information about his

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<v Speaker 5>dad's diplomatic career. And then she contacts the Egyptian embassy.

0:24:01.920 --> 0:24:03.840
<v Speaker 2>Oh no, she went to consulates, yes, and.

0:24:03.760 --> 0:24:06.639
<v Speaker 5>She's like, I'll want all the information available about this

0:24:06.720 --> 0:24:11.399
<v Speaker 5>plane crash that claimed this these people's lives. She contacted

0:24:11.400 --> 0:24:13.000
<v Speaker 5>the schools he said he went to. He said he

0:24:13.040 --> 0:24:15.400
<v Speaker 5>went to Harrow and Cambridge and like, can I get

0:24:15.400 --> 0:24:17.680
<v Speaker 5>the student records? And they're like, I don't have anything.

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<v Speaker 2>So then would you have gone this far?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh?

0:24:20.200 --> 0:24:22.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? If I'm starting against this is the beginning.

0:24:23.359 --> 0:24:25.240
<v Speaker 2>It's the she.

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<v Speaker 3>Has to listen to the animal brain telling her. She

0:24:28.320 --> 0:24:30.000
<v Speaker 3>goes to the local cop and it's like, can you

0:24:30.080 --> 0:24:33.359
<v Speaker 3>run a background check on my husband? Uh? And they're

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<v Speaker 3>like they run it.

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<v Speaker 5>No secret crimes, no hidden side family, no creeping dead,

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<v Speaker 5>there's nothing.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the problem.

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<v Speaker 5>He didn't exist on paper prior to nineteen eighty three,

0:24:42.720 --> 0:24:45.560
<v Speaker 5>so there's no records of anything. Jody's just said a loss.

0:24:46.000 --> 0:24:48.359
<v Speaker 5>So it's not like there are records that disprove anything.

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<v Speaker 3>There's just nothing nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think that part of her thought that maybe

0:24:51.240 --> 0:24:54.359
<v Speaker 2>he was like from some fabulously wealthy family and he

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<v Speaker 2>just didn't want anyone to find out.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think she was just suspicious in the negative?

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<v Speaker 5>I probably just suspicious in the negative. I feel like

0:25:02.240 --> 0:25:05.200
<v Speaker 5>he didn't feed her enough breadcrumbs to make her suspicious

0:25:05.240 --> 0:25:06.760
<v Speaker 5>in the positive in that sense.

0:25:06.840 --> 0:25:10.360
<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean having a father is an ambassador in England,

0:25:10.400 --> 0:25:14.120
<v Speaker 2>that's just like, oh you come from landed stuff always

0:25:14.440 --> 0:25:17.760
<v Speaker 2>that may be connected to the true Well, so you.

0:25:17.720 --> 0:25:19.440
<v Speaker 3>Know, she it could have been, it could have been.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I'm not sure she's think about getting divorced.

0:25:21.560 --> 0:25:23.239
<v Speaker 2>Maybe she's like, before I divorce, before I do that.

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<v Speaker 5>So the divorce gets finalized and then she just honestly

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<v Speaker 5>gave up. She's like she stopped looking for more information.

0:25:31.200 --> 0:25:33.960
<v Speaker 5>What's the point, you know, like good riddance to bad rubbish.

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<v Speaker 5>So after the divorce, Buckingham moved to Switzerland and he

0:25:39.200 --> 0:25:43.119
<v Speaker 5>was an executive now, so no ski cafe dishwashing gigs

0:25:43.119 --> 0:25:45.960
<v Speaker 5>for him. No, he started a bunch of LLC's because

0:25:45.960 --> 0:25:47.200
<v Speaker 5>that's what business guys did.

0:25:47.280 --> 0:25:48.479
<v Speaker 3>Sure business thing.

0:25:48.720 --> 0:25:51.400
<v Speaker 5>I've heard that they weren't passed through LLC's that were

0:25:51.440 --> 0:25:53.600
<v Speaker 5>just for him. They were these like big companies at

0:25:53.680 --> 0:25:57.440
<v Speaker 5>least on paper, and they were rife with corporate officers,

0:25:57.440 --> 0:26:01.960
<v Speaker 5>so like men such as Richard James Thomas, David Allen, Thomas,

0:26:02.480 --> 0:26:07.560
<v Speaker 5>David Robert Allen, first name, pul David Keene German Haunts,

0:26:07.640 --> 0:26:10.880
<v Speaker 5>Peter Schmidt and a fellow named Alexei Romanoff.

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<v Speaker 3>No relation.

0:26:13.800 --> 0:26:18.160
<v Speaker 2>The guys were these guys, these fictitious sounding names.

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<v Speaker 3>Great question, Dave. This will come as a major shock

0:26:21.000 --> 0:26:21.239
<v Speaker 3>to you.

0:26:21.280 --> 0:26:25.200
<v Speaker 5>They were all fake. Yeah, they didn't exist. They only

0:26:25.240 --> 0:26:29.160
<v Speaker 5>existed in Buckingham's imagination. Well, okay, one was real. Paul

0:26:29.280 --> 0:26:30.120
<v Speaker 5>David Keene.

0:26:30.600 --> 0:26:35.199
<v Speaker 3>He was actually a friend of He was a fellow

0:26:35.280 --> 0:26:37.879
<v Speaker 3>computer nerd. It'd been roommates at one time.

0:26:38.200 --> 0:26:40.879
<v Speaker 5>And the other interesting thing about Paul David Keene was

0:26:40.880 --> 0:26:43.879
<v Speaker 5>that he'd been dead for years at this point. So

0:26:43.920 --> 0:26:47.639
<v Speaker 5>he's his dead friend's name. He loves that.

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<v Speaker 3>In no way does he have the wo He's very like,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, Mesopotamian of like this is our lives are over.

0:26:57.000 --> 0:27:00.800
<v Speaker 5>That's it nothing, there's no Yeah.

0:27:00.200 --> 0:27:02.280
<v Speaker 2>It's a mess of it. I love that.

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<v Speaker 5>So we got Buckingham divorce, living in Switzerland, starting all

0:27:07.080 --> 0:27:08.359
<v Speaker 5>manner of fake companies.

0:27:08.760 --> 0:27:11.880
<v Speaker 3>Why not go for broken, not like gild Lily. Why

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<v Speaker 3>not take it to the next level?

0:27:13.280 --> 0:27:14.359
<v Speaker 2>What is the next level?

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<v Speaker 5>I love that question because I was going to ask

0:27:16.119 --> 0:27:19.520
<v Speaker 5>the same thing. Bestowing upon himself the title of lord.

0:27:20.520 --> 0:27:23.280
<v Speaker 5>He started calling himself Lord Buckingham.

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<v Speaker 2>Of obe status.

0:27:24.359 --> 0:27:24.479
<v Speaker 4>Huh.

0:27:24.720 --> 0:27:28.240
<v Speaker 5>According to Lost magazine, he said quote he had acquired

0:27:28.280 --> 0:27:31.200
<v Speaker 5>it through purchase of what he described as several small

0:27:31.320 --> 0:27:34.960
<v Speaker 5>manorial properties scattered across England. At first it was a

0:27:34.960 --> 0:27:37.160
<v Speaker 5>bit of a joke, he explained. I thought it would

0:27:37.160 --> 0:27:39.160
<v Speaker 5>be a whot to start calling myself Lord Buckingham.

0:27:39.480 --> 0:27:42.359
<v Speaker 3>But what I noticed was using the title you respect

0:27:42.359 --> 0:27:44.640
<v Speaker 3>and the consideration that should be due.

0:27:44.600 --> 0:27:48.480
<v Speaker 2>Lord Buckingham also sounds like some like dirty landed property

0:27:48.480 --> 0:27:50.560
<v Speaker 2>owner who like party. But Ben Franklin in the Hell

0:27:50.640 --> 0:27:51.520
<v Speaker 2>Fire Club.

0:27:52.080 --> 0:27:53.480
<v Speaker 3>You know right, it's spot on.

0:27:53.600 --> 0:27:56.600
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, here's the thing, and it's tied to the culture

0:27:56.640 --> 0:28:00.359
<v Speaker 5>he loves so much. There was then, perhaps maybe not

0:28:00.400 --> 0:28:02.320
<v Speaker 5>so much now, but still to a degree, a certain

0:28:02.440 --> 0:28:08.640
<v Speaker 5>deference given to those with titles in England.

0:28:09.240 --> 0:28:09.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:28:09.400 --> 0:28:12.560
<v Speaker 5>Well, there's this detective book series, the Inspector Linley novels,

0:28:13.160 --> 0:28:15.280
<v Speaker 5>and they made him into a TV series that has

0:28:15.320 --> 0:28:19.080
<v Speaker 5>since been rebooted. I haven't watched any of the Shower,

0:28:19.440 --> 0:28:21.560
<v Speaker 5>but I started getting into the books a little while

0:28:21.560 --> 0:28:23.920
<v Speaker 5>back because I ran out of Michael Connolly.

0:28:23.560 --> 0:28:24.120
<v Speaker 3>Books to read.

0:28:24.280 --> 0:28:26.680
<v Speaker 5>Anyway, the first few were good, but I had to

0:28:26.720 --> 0:28:29.400
<v Speaker 5>stop because I felt like the female characters are basically

0:28:29.440 --> 0:28:32.280
<v Speaker 5>like tortured in one way or another throughout their plot lives.

0:28:33.119 --> 0:28:35.000
<v Speaker 5>It just was it felt like a little anti woman.

0:28:35.040 --> 0:28:38.200
<v Speaker 5>It was a woman writer, but you know whatever, it

0:28:38.280 --> 0:28:41.560
<v Speaker 5>was not a pleasant and it became a little too

0:28:41.600 --> 0:28:43.400
<v Speaker 5>bleak for me, which is hard to imagine.

0:28:43.400 --> 0:28:46.720
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, anyway, I wasn't feeling it.

0:28:46.760 --> 0:28:50.520
<v Speaker 5>I've read Val mcdermodd is like, that's bleak Scottish mystery,

0:28:50.560 --> 0:28:53.880
<v Speaker 5>right anyway, so your mileage mayverery and I may be

0:28:54.000 --> 0:28:56.720
<v Speaker 5>off base anyway. Tomato tomato to each their own, come

0:28:56.760 --> 0:28:59.640
<v Speaker 5>se comsa, how do you do? The Inspector Linley in

0:28:59.680 --> 0:29:04.120
<v Speaker 5>the story is the eighth Earl of Asherton. He doesn't

0:29:04.160 --> 0:29:04.760
<v Speaker 5>need to work.

0:29:04.800 --> 0:29:06.000
<v Speaker 3>He just loves justice.

0:29:06.840 --> 0:29:09.120
<v Speaker 5>He toodles around in like a classic sports car, and

0:29:09.120 --> 0:29:11.680
<v Speaker 5>he wears bespoke suits, and his partner is like a

0:29:11.720 --> 0:29:15.000
<v Speaker 5>tough talking east Ender lady and whatever and Yin and

0:29:15.080 --> 0:29:16.760
<v Speaker 5>yang house to.

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<v Speaker 2>The National Trust.

0:29:17.680 --> 0:29:20.200
<v Speaker 5>He's like people, they don't have to they're not they're

0:29:20.200 --> 0:29:23.320
<v Speaker 5>not suffering like that they have the palatial Oh wow.

0:29:23.880 --> 0:29:24.920
<v Speaker 3>So in the books, when.

0:29:24.760 --> 0:29:27.640
<v Speaker 5>People dismiss Linley thinking he's just some cop and can't

0:29:27.680 --> 0:29:29.440
<v Speaker 5>tell him what to do, like sometimes he has to

0:29:29.440 --> 0:29:32.040
<v Speaker 5>bust out who he really is, meaning his title and

0:29:32.040 --> 0:29:34.920
<v Speaker 5>then they like peel over themselves and cowtown do whatever

0:29:34.960 --> 0:29:37.720
<v Speaker 5>he wants. And I have issue with that mainly because

0:29:37.720 --> 0:29:40.520
<v Speaker 5>I feel like his accent would give that away immediately.

0:29:40.080 --> 0:29:41.880
<v Speaker 2>You would think he's putting on a fake as.

0:29:42.000 --> 0:29:43.680
<v Speaker 3>I also felt like he didn't do it enough.

0:29:43.720 --> 0:29:46.000
<v Speaker 5>He didn't smack him down, like some of these fools

0:29:46.040 --> 0:29:48.040
<v Speaker 5>need to be taken down a notch, like do.

0:29:48.000 --> 0:29:48.640
<v Speaker 3>You know who I am?

0:29:49.560 --> 0:29:49.760
<v Speaker 2>Archy?

0:29:49.920 --> 0:29:52.800
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, And the reason I mentioned is that there's deference

0:29:52.840 --> 0:29:55.880
<v Speaker 5>paid to the landed gentry, so titles.

0:29:55.480 --> 0:29:57.920
<v Speaker 3>Get respect and like a lot of latitude, the.

0:29:57.920 --> 0:29:59.800
<v Speaker 2>Whole thing about there are better there are.

0:30:00.520 --> 0:30:04.040
<v Speaker 3>You can have weird behaviors, English eccentric.

0:30:04.160 --> 0:30:05.560
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, you can lick a dog's face.

0:30:06.240 --> 0:30:09.520
<v Speaker 5>You know they could, They would and they should. So

0:30:09.680 --> 0:30:11.880
<v Speaker 5>it may have been like a hoot for Buckingham to

0:30:11.920 --> 0:30:14.080
<v Speaker 5>call himself lord. But if you want to get away

0:30:14.080 --> 0:30:16.800
<v Speaker 5>with like crimes or bad behavior, title game is a

0:30:16.840 --> 0:30:17.320
<v Speaker 5>way to go.

0:30:17.600 --> 0:30:20.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah for real, you know. Now I'm thinking about it,

0:30:20.280 --> 0:30:21.200
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, how do I get a time?

0:30:21.680 --> 0:30:24.960
<v Speaker 5>But also it got me wondering about Buckingham's accent. So

0:30:25.240 --> 0:30:29.520
<v Speaker 5>it was an Orlando homebrew accent exactly like cobbled together

0:30:29.600 --> 0:30:32.400
<v Speaker 5>from Monty Python and Paul McCartney and like god knows.

0:30:32.280 --> 0:30:33.800
<v Speaker 2>Who else he's probably doing Graham Chapman.

0:30:33.800 --> 0:30:36.080
<v Speaker 5>I think he was the richest and oh yeah, so

0:30:36.680 --> 0:30:38.960
<v Speaker 5>like in the US and basically anywhere else in the world,

0:30:39.000 --> 0:30:43.160
<v Speaker 5>accents or regional, but they're also you know, class.

0:30:43.440 --> 0:30:45.600
<v Speaker 2>In England by a huge factory.

0:30:45.240 --> 0:30:49.440
<v Speaker 5>Well and in the South too, So I was very

0:30:49.440 --> 0:30:52.320
<v Speaker 5>inspired by England. True, So I'm curious to know what

0:30:52.400 --> 0:30:54.680
<v Speaker 5>accent he had and like how convincing it was. But

0:30:54.760 --> 0:30:56.480
<v Speaker 5>he must have like honed it to a good degree

0:30:56.920 --> 0:30:57.640
<v Speaker 5>as far as he did.

0:30:57.760 --> 0:31:00.480
<v Speaker 2>Anyway, maybe it's watching a lot of PBS.

0:31:00.200 --> 0:31:02.480
<v Speaker 3>Probably Mystery.

0:31:04.680 --> 0:31:04.920
<v Speaker 2>House.

0:31:06.000 --> 0:31:07.680
<v Speaker 3>So he started living.

0:31:07.600 --> 0:31:10.880
<v Speaker 5>Like Lord Buckingham and acting like he knew so he

0:31:10.960 --> 0:31:14.800
<v Speaker 5>got fine stationary with the Buckingham coat of arms. He

0:31:14.880 --> 0:31:17.400
<v Speaker 5>rented an apartment in Germany and he explained to the

0:31:17.440 --> 0:31:20.360
<v Speaker 5>owner that it wasn't for him. He was a lord,

0:31:20.440 --> 0:31:22.520
<v Speaker 5>he had lots of money and property and things. He

0:31:22.600 --> 0:31:24.959
<v Speaker 5>was renting the apartment as a place to store some

0:31:25.040 --> 0:31:27.880
<v Speaker 5>of the furniture from his castle in England because like

0:31:27.920 --> 0:31:31.000
<v Speaker 5>I guess the furniture was studying abroad I don't know,

0:31:31.040 --> 0:31:33.520
<v Speaker 5>and needed an extent. Why would you put your furniture

0:31:33.560 --> 0:31:34.880
<v Speaker 5>in a German apartment.

0:31:35.000 --> 0:31:36.880
<v Speaker 2>Whatever, How would he say, it's for my guest, but

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<v Speaker 2>you know that's.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's too simple either way.

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<v Speaker 5>He was living his life as this English lord, bouncing

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<v Speaker 5>between Switzerland and Germany. And in twenty and one he

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<v Speaker 5>got a job not as a Scotland yard detective, but

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<v Speaker 5>as an IT security consultant at an insurance company in Switzerland.

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<v Speaker 5>And then the next year tragedy struck. He was on

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<v Speaker 5>a road trip back from Northampton. I guess he went

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<v Speaker 5>to see the kids. He was in France and he

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<v Speaker 5>got rear ended and the collision shoved his car forward

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<v Speaker 5>and he slammed into the brick wall of a toll booth.

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<v Speaker 2>Horrible.

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<v Speaker 5>So he got his skull crushed in the accident, and

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<v Speaker 5>he went into a coma. For months, he's in his

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<v Speaker 5>hospital in France, and then he was when he was

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<v Speaker 5>awake and stable and able to be moved, they took

0:32:20.600 --> 0:32:23.120
<v Speaker 5>him to a Swiss hospital and it was there that

0:32:23.160 --> 0:32:26.600
<v Speaker 5>he started dating his nurse, the Swiss woman, Anita Keller.

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<v Speaker 2>Like a lord.

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<v Speaker 3>Now oh yeah. He also he.

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<v Speaker 5>Pocketed like a good settlement as a result of the accident.

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<v Speaker 5>So he recovered and continued his life as Lord Buckingham,

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<v Speaker 5>now with a Swiss nurse on his arm, life going

0:32:40.880 --> 0:32:47.280
<v Speaker 5>along swimmingly. He got some like mild after effects from

0:32:47.280 --> 0:32:49.760
<v Speaker 5>the accident, but nothing that interfered with his day to

0:32:49.840 --> 0:32:53.400
<v Speaker 5>day life. He was Lord Buckingham and while the accident

0:32:53.480 --> 0:32:56.360
<v Speaker 5>was traumatic, it didn't stop him from driving back and

0:32:56.400 --> 0:32:59.280
<v Speaker 5>forth to England occasionally, you know, easy enough.

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<v Speaker 3>So he goes to What if.

0:33:00.840 --> 0:33:02.280
<v Speaker 2>He was like one of those guys, you know, people

0:33:02.360 --> 0:33:05.480
<v Speaker 2>have head wounds and then they get like the accent

0:33:05.640 --> 0:33:08.160
<v Speaker 2>from somewhere else. What if he got an American accent

0:33:08.200 --> 0:33:09.320
<v Speaker 2>back and he couldn't stop.

0:33:09.160 --> 0:33:14.000
<v Speaker 3>Telling me incredible. So he's in Calais, Yeah, so he

0:33:14.040 --> 0:33:15.440
<v Speaker 3>would like go to cala and France.

0:33:15.520 --> 0:33:17.520
<v Speaker 5>He puts his car on the ferry, pops over to Dover,

0:33:18.040 --> 0:33:20.600
<v Speaker 5>done that around the Motherland. Oh yeah, you've done it.

0:33:20.680 --> 0:33:23.400
<v Speaker 2>I did on the what do you called the hovercraft? Okay, yeah,

0:33:23.440 --> 0:33:24.920
<v Speaker 2>it's fun Hollercraft ferry.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah yeah. Well, and it was fun for him too,

0:33:28.680 --> 0:33:31.480
<v Speaker 5>tootling around. But that changed for him on the afternoon

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<v Speaker 5>of January fifteenth, two thousand and five. Zaren, let's take

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<v Speaker 5>a break, Okay, I want ads and I want him

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<v Speaker 5>now and when we come back, we'll talk about January fifteenth,

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<v Speaker 5>two thousand and five.

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<v Speaker 2>Zaren Elizabeth Elizabeth.

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<v Speaker 3>January fifteenth, two thousand Let's go there. Okay, let's close

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<v Speaker 3>your eyes.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh you did say that.

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<v Speaker 3>I want you get up. Picture it.

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<v Speaker 5>It's a beautiful Saturday afternoon, January fifteenth, two thousand and five.

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<v Speaker 5>You are Detective Constable David Sprigg, a police officer at

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<v Speaker 5>the Port of Dover in England. You are the eyes

0:34:32.200 --> 0:34:34.920
<v Speaker 5>and ears at this busy port. You're sitting at your

0:34:34.920 --> 0:34:37.800
<v Speaker 5>desk listening to the latest hits on BBC one Radio,

0:34:38.280 --> 0:34:42.920
<v Speaker 5>Girls Aloud, Robbie Williams, Destiny's Child, Green Day, Gwen Stefani

0:34:43.440 --> 0:34:46.879
<v Speaker 5>and one tune you particularly like these days. You can

0:34:46.920 --> 0:34:49.840
<v Speaker 5>do it by ice Cube featuring Mac ten and his toy.

0:34:51.040 --> 0:34:53.120
<v Speaker 5>You often find yourself singing to yourself.

0:34:53.280 --> 0:34:53.799
<v Speaker 3>You can do it.

0:34:53.840 --> 0:34:56.760
<v Speaker 5>Put your back into it. That's your twenty first century.

0:34:56.880 --> 0:34:59.880
<v Speaker 5>Keep calm and carry on, don't stop getting get it.

0:35:00.120 --> 0:35:03.799
<v Speaker 3>It's so inspiring. Suddenly there's a knock at your door

0:35:04.200 --> 0:35:05.040
<v Speaker 3>and reach over.

0:35:04.880 --> 0:35:06.879
<v Speaker 5>And you switch off the radio and then you call out,

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<v Speaker 5>come in. Two members of the UK Special Branch enter

0:35:10.520 --> 0:35:12.680
<v Speaker 5>your office. Good blokes, they work here with you at

0:35:12.680 --> 0:35:16.600
<v Speaker 5>the border station. Elite forces them. The tall one tells

0:35:16.640 --> 0:35:19.000
<v Speaker 5>you that a passenger with a British passport checked in

0:35:19.080 --> 0:35:22.320
<v Speaker 5>earlier that day at the port of Calais in France. Okay,

0:35:22.800 --> 0:35:25.520
<v Speaker 5>he was boarding the car ferry headed this way. His

0:35:25.600 --> 0:35:28.160
<v Speaker 5>information was plugged into the system and raised an alert.

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<v Speaker 5>Seems the information on the passport matched an entry in

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<v Speaker 5>the UK Register of Debts. Got a dead man coming

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<v Speaker 5>through the Man Christopher Buckingham apparently died in infancy in

0:35:38.239 --> 0:35:41.360
<v Speaker 5>nineteen sixty three, four months shy of his first birthday.

0:35:42.080 --> 0:35:44.640
<v Speaker 5>His passport had been flagged a couple of years back

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<v Speaker 5>in a routine run of active passports against the records

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<v Speaker 5>of births and deaths.

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<v Speaker 3>It should have been revoked.

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<v Speaker 5>Then, curious, you tell them you all know what this means,

0:35:54.480 --> 0:35:57.319
<v Speaker 5>fake identity. The special branch fellows tell you that he

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<v Speaker 5>boarded the ferry and would be arriving in Dover momentarily.

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<v Speaker 3>Care to join us? They ask you.

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<v Speaker 5>Grab your jacket and head out to the inspection point

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<v Speaker 5>with the special branchers.

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<v Speaker 3>You pull two port policemen aside and put him run

0:36:09.640 --> 0:36:10.600
<v Speaker 3>down the car.

0:36:10.760 --> 0:36:13.440
<v Speaker 5>The man the story they know to pull him aside

0:36:13.480 --> 0:36:15.480
<v Speaker 5>as soon as he rolls off the boat, and that's

0:36:15.520 --> 0:36:19.319
<v Speaker 5>what happens. You all see an aggressively nondescript white guy

0:36:19.320 --> 0:36:21.759
<v Speaker 5>with brown hair cheerfully pull his car over to the

0:36:21.800 --> 0:36:25.279
<v Speaker 5>inspection area. You watch as an officer speaks with the man.

0:36:25.719 --> 0:36:28.440
<v Speaker 5>The man speaks and then nods, granting approval for the

0:36:28.480 --> 0:36:30.520
<v Speaker 5>officer on the passenger side of the car to open

0:36:30.560 --> 0:36:33.080
<v Speaker 5>the door and remove things from the front seat. He

0:36:33.120 --> 0:36:36.040
<v Speaker 5>does so and walks the materials over to you. There's

0:36:36.040 --> 0:36:38.600
<v Speaker 5>a Swiss driver's license, a ferry ticket in the name

0:36:38.600 --> 0:36:42.480
<v Speaker 5>of Air Buckingham, a photocopy of his British passport, and

0:36:42.600 --> 0:36:45.000
<v Speaker 5>a sheaf of blank letterhead emblazoned with a coat of

0:36:45.120 --> 0:36:46.399
<v Speaker 5>arms above the phrase.

0:36:46.320 --> 0:36:50.040
<v Speaker 3>From the office of Lord Buckingham. The officer tells you

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<v Speaker 3>that the man says he's a member of the House

0:36:51.680 --> 0:36:54.480
<v Speaker 3>of Lords. Seemed a little surprised to be stopped, but

0:36:54.600 --> 0:36:57.520
<v Speaker 3>happy to help. The man said he hadn't attended a

0:36:57.600 --> 0:36:59.960
<v Speaker 3>session of the House of Lords since moving to Switzer

0:37:00.239 --> 0:37:03.320
<v Speaker 3>some years ago. You walk over to the computer positioned

0:37:03.360 --> 0:37:06.720
<v Speaker 3>at a tall table beside you. You type away, searching

0:37:06.760 --> 0:37:08.719
<v Speaker 3>for Lord Buckingham in the list of members of the

0:37:08.719 --> 0:37:10.440
<v Speaker 3>House of Lords. Nothing.

0:37:10.920 --> 0:37:13.839
<v Speaker 5>You open Google and tap tapped up. The tall guy

0:37:13.840 --> 0:37:17.399
<v Speaker 5>from Special Branch asks you anything. You've got one hit

0:37:17.480 --> 0:37:19.799
<v Speaker 5>on your search. You tell him that, well, what does

0:37:19.840 --> 0:37:24.160
<v Speaker 5>it say, he asked you, It's a pedigreed cat. Bring

0:37:24.239 --> 0:37:26.239
<v Speaker 5>him to my office, you tell the officers and head

0:37:26.280 --> 0:37:28.799
<v Speaker 5>back to the building. Don't stop, get it, get it,

0:37:28.840 --> 0:37:35.320
<v Speaker 5>You think to yourself, you can do it. Okay there

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<v Speaker 5>when you or rather, Detective Constable Sprigg questioned Buckingham.

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<v Speaker 3>He swore his passport wasn't a fake.

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<v Speaker 5>Sprigg asked him all sorts of questions about his life

0:37:44.800 --> 0:37:47.359
<v Speaker 5>is past, and Buckingham's answers.

0:37:47.000 --> 0:37:49.640
<v Speaker 3>Were a mess. He couldn't nail down where he went

0:37:49.680 --> 0:37:51.120
<v Speaker 3>to school, like you.

0:37:51.080 --> 0:37:55.000
<v Speaker 5>Forgot right, No, but then he threw out some names,

0:37:55.080 --> 0:37:57.920
<v Speaker 5>and but then you know, he couldn't remember like was

0:37:57.920 --> 0:38:00.040
<v Speaker 5>he born at home or in a hospital.

0:38:00.080 --> 0:38:00.719
<v Speaker 2>He was young.

0:38:03.800 --> 0:38:06.279
<v Speaker 5>He said he got his title because he owned or

0:38:06.360 --> 0:38:12.879
<v Speaker 5>inherited four manorial manorial titles. Yeah, but he couldn't name

0:38:12.920 --> 0:38:18.000
<v Speaker 5>them all his title and he was just vague about everything.

0:38:18.040 --> 0:38:20.240
<v Speaker 5>He had a German passport, which he said was because

0:38:20.280 --> 0:38:23.200
<v Speaker 5>of his mom's ancestry. And then he said that the

0:38:23.200 --> 0:38:25.839
<v Speaker 5>Swiss wanted to give him citizenship because of his quote

0:38:25.840 --> 0:38:29.840
<v Speaker 5>special skills in computer security. He told Sprigg that he

0:38:30.000 --> 0:38:32.440
<v Speaker 5>had just hadn't gotten around applying for it yet, you know,

0:38:32.640 --> 0:38:35.439
<v Speaker 5>just like these little fun facts. And then he told

0:38:35.480 --> 0:38:37.040
<v Speaker 5>the story that he had given lots of people His

0:38:37.120 --> 0:38:39.880
<v Speaker 5>dad was a diplomat in Egypt. Parents died in a

0:38:39.920 --> 0:38:43.040
<v Speaker 5>plane crash in Egypt when he was a teen, like, sure, Jan.

0:38:43.760 --> 0:38:45.279
<v Speaker 3>Spriggs, like, you are full of it.

0:38:45.719 --> 0:38:49.040
<v Speaker 5>And upon investigation the story totally fell apart. So he

0:38:49.080 --> 0:38:52.120
<v Speaker 5>got charged with using false information to obtain a passport

0:38:52.520 --> 0:38:55.200
<v Speaker 5>and they he got out on bail on one condition.

0:38:55.719 --> 0:38:58.400
<v Speaker 5>He had to come back the next week for further questioning,

0:38:59.440 --> 0:39:03.400
<v Speaker 5>sure said, and then he left ye during that week

0:39:04.520 --> 0:39:09.120
<v Speaker 5>the investigation continued, So the Special Branch sent that Lord

0:39:09.160 --> 0:39:12.839
<v Speaker 5>Buckingham letterhead over to the Royal College of Arms, which

0:39:12.880 --> 0:39:15.520
<v Speaker 5>is the official record keeper of all the British childry.

0:39:16.239 --> 0:39:18.440
<v Speaker 5>So they took a look at it, and they determined

0:39:18.480 --> 0:39:21.960
<v Speaker 5>that the title Lord Buckingham belonged to an extinct lineage,

0:39:22.520 --> 0:39:25.000
<v Speaker 5>and in fact it died out with the second Duke

0:39:25.040 --> 0:39:27.040
<v Speaker 5>of Buckingham in sixteen eighty seven.

0:39:28.000 --> 0:39:28.839
<v Speaker 3>Long lost son.

0:39:30.440 --> 0:39:33.359
<v Speaker 5>So sprigu he went about trying to track down all

0:39:33.440 --> 0:39:36.120
<v Speaker 5>of the school records at least and come to find

0:39:36.120 --> 0:39:37.920
<v Speaker 5>out that the school that he said he went to

0:39:38.000 --> 0:39:42.160
<v Speaker 5>didn't exist. And then he reached out to the Home Office.

0:39:42.640 --> 0:39:45.160
<v Speaker 5>Was Buckingham's dad a diplomat? Did he die in a

0:39:45.160 --> 0:39:47.840
<v Speaker 5>plane crash? And they're like, well, the dad didn't exist

0:39:47.840 --> 0:39:50.960
<v Speaker 5>and neither did the plane crash. So everything's bogus. And

0:39:51.000 --> 0:39:53.520
<v Speaker 5>now this guy is cut loose and he's out there

0:39:53.520 --> 0:39:58.400
<v Speaker 5>doing you know, who knows what's Lord Buckingham knows what,

0:39:59.280 --> 0:40:01.200
<v Speaker 5>but it was he wasn't Lord Buckingham.

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<v Speaker 3>There is no Lord Buckingham. So who is this character?

0:40:05.120 --> 0:40:07.920
<v Speaker 5>And would he come back like he promised to or

0:40:08.040 --> 0:40:09.600
<v Speaker 5>he figured out a way to weasel out of the

0:40:09.640 --> 0:40:13.960
<v Speaker 5>country and onto the continent. Surprise, Buckingham actually came back

0:40:14.000 --> 0:40:14.720
<v Speaker 5>the next week.

0:40:15.400 --> 0:40:17.040
<v Speaker 2>Really yeah, did he think he was gonna be able

0:40:17.040 --> 0:40:17.800
<v Speaker 2>to smooz infinatly?

0:40:17.800 --> 0:40:19.279
<v Speaker 5>I think he felt like, you know, I can keep

0:40:19.360 --> 0:40:22.800
<v Speaker 5>up this ruse. Sprigg laid everything out, all the lies,

0:40:22.880 --> 0:40:27.759
<v Speaker 5>all the missing information. Buckingham's only response, no comment, and

0:40:27.760 --> 0:40:30.280
<v Speaker 5>with that he's arrested again. But then he's out on bail.

0:40:30.440 --> 0:40:31.040
<v Speaker 3>The next day.

0:40:31.120 --> 0:40:33.960
<v Speaker 5>Once again, he went to court in October of two

0:40:33.960 --> 0:40:36.680
<v Speaker 5>thousand and five, and they charged him with that lying

0:40:36.719 --> 0:40:39.480
<v Speaker 5>to obtain a passport. He asked the judge if he

0:40:39.520 --> 0:40:41.879
<v Speaker 5>could be allowed to go to Switzerland because that's where

0:40:41.880 --> 0:40:44.760
<v Speaker 5>he had a safety deposit box, and in the box

0:40:44.880 --> 0:40:50.000
<v Speaker 5>was all the proof anyone would ever need to understand

0:40:50.080 --> 0:40:53.600
<v Speaker 5>and believe that he was one hundred percent Christopher Edward Buckingham.

0:40:53.640 --> 0:40:55.480
<v Speaker 2>Are you gonna trust the internet or your lying eye?

0:40:55.560 --> 0:40:57.919
<v Speaker 5>Well, the court just couldn't send someone to retrieve it, because,

0:40:57.960 --> 0:40:59.520
<v Speaker 5>you know, Buckingham like high tech guy.

0:40:59.600 --> 0:41:01.560
<v Speaker 3>Right, high tech high high tech.

0:41:01.880 --> 0:41:04.359
<v Speaker 5>Scooter computer got to get into the box, you scan

0:41:04.520 --> 0:41:05.200
<v Speaker 5>your thumb print.

0:41:05.880 --> 0:41:09.040
<v Speaker 3>No, right had to be him. And the judge was like, hm,

0:41:09.160 --> 0:41:11.480
<v Speaker 3>that's interesting. No, you cannot go.

0:41:11.760 --> 0:41:12.440
<v Speaker 2>I didn't see that.

0:41:12.480 --> 0:41:15.600
<v Speaker 5>And so Buckingham's like, all right, fine, I'm guilty. Like

0:41:15.640 --> 0:41:20.280
<v Speaker 5>the judge called his bluff, Buckingham pleads guilty, which cracks

0:41:20.320 --> 0:41:20.840
<v Speaker 5>me up.

0:41:20.760 --> 0:41:20.920
<v Speaker 3>Like.

0:41:22.400 --> 0:41:24.960
<v Speaker 5>Fine, you know, I give up. He's supposed to be

0:41:25.000 --> 0:41:27.840
<v Speaker 5>sentenced in the next month. He's facing two years in

0:41:27.880 --> 0:41:30.319
<v Speaker 5>the clink, but after that he'd be free and could

0:41:30.360 --> 0:41:34.520
<v Speaker 5>still call himself Christopher Buckingham. They the idea, yeah, which

0:41:34.520 --> 0:41:35.880
<v Speaker 5>seems absolutely.

0:41:35.440 --> 0:41:35.920
<v Speaker 3>Nuts to me.

0:41:36.120 --> 0:41:37.239
<v Speaker 2>That does seem nuts to me too.

0:41:37.400 --> 0:41:37.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:41:37.640 --> 0:41:40.719
<v Speaker 5>Whatever, So Sprig, he's about to retire. And instead of

0:41:40.760 --> 0:41:42.160
<v Speaker 5>saying like I'm too old for this.

0:41:42.120 --> 0:41:44.719
<v Speaker 2>Ish that's like keeping the proceeds of your criminal or

0:41:44.760 --> 0:41:46.480
<v Speaker 2>your crime, you know what I mean, Like you don't

0:41:46.480 --> 0:41:48.759
<v Speaker 2>get to keep the proceeds crime. He's like, oh, yeah,

0:41:48.760 --> 0:41:49.520
<v Speaker 2>I got to keep my life.

0:41:49.520 --> 0:41:50.799
<v Speaker 3>He to be this little boy.

0:41:50.880 --> 0:41:53.480
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, Sprig's about to retire.

0:41:53.800 --> 0:41:55.480
<v Speaker 3>You know what he does, He puts his back into it.

0:41:55.719 --> 0:41:59.120
<v Speaker 5>Oh, he wanted one last score in the anti crime way.

0:41:59.360 --> 0:42:01.840
<v Speaker 5>And he knew in his bones that Buckingham was hiding

0:42:01.880 --> 0:42:04.560
<v Speaker 5>something big and he had a limited amount of time

0:42:04.600 --> 0:42:06.920
<v Speaker 5>to uncover it. So we got to work. So the

0:42:06.960 --> 0:42:10.920
<v Speaker 5>cops released Buckingham's mugshot to the press and social media,

0:42:10.960 --> 0:42:13.680
<v Speaker 5>and they asked the public for help in identifying this man.

0:42:14.480 --> 0:42:18.480
<v Speaker 5>Tons of people called in, they wrote, and they were

0:42:18.480 --> 0:42:20.480
<v Speaker 5>all dead ends or just garbage, and they're like, yeah,

0:42:20.480 --> 0:42:21.680
<v Speaker 5>it's you know Jason Bourne.

0:42:21.680 --> 0:42:23.640
<v Speaker 2>Like I was having an affair with him from nineteen

0:42:23.719 --> 0:42:25.120
<v Speaker 2>forty eight to nineteen fifty two.

0:42:25.280 --> 0:42:27.520
<v Speaker 3>He is the head of the Burger King cartel.

0:42:28.719 --> 0:42:32.160
<v Speaker 5>I've said too much, Like, so I'm telling you too,

0:42:32.280 --> 0:42:36.120
<v Speaker 5>Buckingham is so nondescript, like he's like a sample identic

0:42:36.200 --> 0:42:39.960
<v Speaker 5>kit drawing, like he's you. Yeah, so it looks like

0:42:40.040 --> 0:42:43.799
<v Speaker 5>anybody The Mail on Sunday, The Daily Mail Sunday edition

0:42:43.920 --> 0:42:47.600
<v Speaker 5>sent reporters to Buckingham's neighborhood, and one of them convinced

0:42:47.640 --> 0:42:50.520
<v Speaker 5>a neighbor who had an emergency key for Buckingham's place

0:42:50.600 --> 0:42:53.200
<v Speaker 5>to hand it over so they could poke around. Remember

0:42:53.200 --> 0:42:55.480
<v Speaker 5>this is the era of like hacking voicemails.

0:42:56.000 --> 0:42:58.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, care like Pierce Morgan's going to.

0:42:58.440 --> 0:42:59.759
<v Speaker 3>Hack you, right, right?

0:42:59.800 --> 0:43:03.279
<v Speaker 5>So anyway, they found a quote, a brass bed, a television,

0:43:03.320 --> 0:43:05.760
<v Speaker 5>and a wooden table. There was a box of unused

0:43:05.800 --> 0:43:09.720
<v Speaker 5>fireworks in the kitchen, along with two chemical containers contents unknown.

0:43:10.239 --> 0:43:13.120
<v Speaker 5>Resting on the television was a pistol, a non firing

0:43:13.200 --> 0:43:15.880
<v Speaker 5>replica of the Walter P ninety nine made famous by

0:43:16.000 --> 0:43:16.640
<v Speaker 5>James Bond.

0:43:17.480 --> 0:43:19.640
<v Speaker 3>H The Burger King planted the fireworks.

0:43:20.440 --> 0:43:23.880
<v Speaker 2>So I guess once you're like hacking royalty, Like what

0:43:23.880 --> 0:43:25.680
<v Speaker 2>do they care about going into a lord's house?

0:43:25.719 --> 0:43:28.640
<v Speaker 5>Oh yeah, no, exactly, good call. And it was a

0:43:28.680 --> 0:43:30.840
<v Speaker 5>mess up in there. And I don't mean just like untidy.

0:43:30.920 --> 0:43:33.560
<v Speaker 5>I mean he owned the place, but it was in foreclosure.

0:43:33.600 --> 0:43:37.160
<v Speaker 5>So he started just trashing it, like breaking things really,

0:43:37.160 --> 0:43:39.360
<v Speaker 5>which is such a weird thing that people do, Like

0:43:39.680 --> 0:43:42.440
<v Speaker 5>I've never got Yeah, yeah, I found a friend of

0:43:42.480 --> 0:43:45.240
<v Speaker 5>mine bought a house in foreclosure and they like ripped

0:43:45.239 --> 0:43:48.320
<v Speaker 5>out the toilets, like pulled sinks from the wall.

0:43:48.320 --> 0:43:49.360
<v Speaker 2>You know, when I used to I used to be

0:43:49.400 --> 0:43:51.440
<v Speaker 2>a house panter for a very long time. We usipate

0:43:51.600 --> 0:43:54.840
<v Speaker 2>industrial stuff. So I once painted in La this church

0:43:54.920 --> 0:43:56.680
<v Speaker 2>that was in the valley right, but it was like

0:43:56.760 --> 0:43:59.040
<v Speaker 2>the kind of church that they also have like an

0:43:59.080 --> 0:44:02.759
<v Speaker 2>attached like school area and a multipurpose room and a

0:44:02.760 --> 0:44:05.759
<v Speaker 2>bunch of other stuff that isn't the church. And as

0:44:05.800 --> 0:44:08.480
<v Speaker 2>we were painting, they're paying us to paint it, they're

0:44:08.520 --> 0:44:11.640
<v Speaker 2>over there taking the light fixtures out, the door handles

0:44:11.680 --> 0:44:14.680
<v Speaker 2>off the doors, anything that they could harvest from this

0:44:14.760 --> 0:44:18.200
<v Speaker 2>place that they were renting, they took. They took everything.

0:44:18.239 --> 0:44:20.320
<v Speaker 2>We couldn't believe. We're just standing there like we actually

0:44:20.360 --> 0:44:22.960
<v Speaker 2>ended up calling the landlord because we're like this, this

0:44:23.080 --> 0:44:26.440
<v Speaker 2>is not right. We're witnesses to a crime. They're gonna

0:44:26.440 --> 0:44:28.440
<v Speaker 2>they're gonna say something like, why didn't you call anyone.

0:44:28.480 --> 0:44:30.239
<v Speaker 2>We're like, we didn't think of it. I mean they

0:44:30.239 --> 0:44:32.680
<v Speaker 2>were out there. They were taking the baseboard off the walls.

0:44:32.719 --> 0:44:33.759
<v Speaker 3>You're kidding, just.

0:44:33.640 --> 0:44:35.680
<v Speaker 2>Popping it off, like we can put this somewhere else.

0:44:36.040 --> 0:44:38.840
<v Speaker 2>It was nuts to see. Yeah, and it was the

0:44:38.920 --> 0:44:42.400
<v Speaker 2>bass player from corn Wait. It was his church, not

0:44:42.480 --> 0:44:43.840
<v Speaker 2>like he didn't own it, but he was a member.

0:44:43.840 --> 0:44:45.800
<v Speaker 2>So there's all these pictures of him like all around

0:44:45.840 --> 0:44:49.560
<v Speaker 2>like big, like you know, cardboard cutouts. Yeah. So he

0:44:49.600 --> 0:44:53.000
<v Speaker 2>was there and the church exactly like you could like

0:44:53.000 --> 0:44:56.480
<v Speaker 2>pose next to him in the church. Yeah. They had

0:44:56.480 --> 0:44:58.680
<v Speaker 2>like they had like movies on YouTube. They were like

0:44:58.800 --> 0:45:01.240
<v Speaker 2>cartoons for kids and stuf. They were like a hustle.

0:45:01.280 --> 0:45:04.200
<v Speaker 3>It was a big thing. Okay, wow, I'm still trying

0:45:04.239 --> 0:45:05.000
<v Speaker 3>to process this.

0:45:05.760 --> 0:45:08.120
<v Speaker 2>The part for me was the popping the baseboard off,

0:45:08.160 --> 0:45:10.480
<v Speaker 2>I mean the light bulbs and that was one thing,

0:45:10.520 --> 0:45:12.799
<v Speaker 2>and the fixtures was another thing. The door handles was wild,

0:45:12.840 --> 0:45:15.160
<v Speaker 2>but the baseboard is okay, you did not put that

0:45:15.280 --> 0:45:16.120
<v Speaker 2>out exactly.

0:45:17.960 --> 0:45:22.880
<v Speaker 5>So Buckingham, this world, Buckingham sentencing is approaching and there's

0:45:22.880 --> 0:45:25.719
<v Speaker 5>no leads. And on November eighth, two thousand and five,

0:45:25.800 --> 0:45:28.920
<v Speaker 5>he got sentenced to twenty one months in prison. And

0:45:28.960 --> 0:45:32.000
<v Speaker 5>he was also at this point still refusing to divulge

0:45:32.000 --> 0:45:35.160
<v Speaker 5>his true identity, and a few months later he won

0:45:35.200 --> 0:45:37.760
<v Speaker 5>an appeal and his prison sentence was brought.

0:45:37.560 --> 0:45:38.520
<v Speaker 3>Down to time served.

0:45:38.840 --> 0:45:39.280
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

0:45:39.440 --> 0:45:43.279
<v Speaker 5>I don't know out he went, but where he was stateless,

0:45:43.960 --> 0:45:47.239
<v Speaker 5>no real identity, and so he was remanded into the

0:45:47.239 --> 0:45:50.960
<v Speaker 5>custody of UK immigration authorities. They thought better of this whole. Yeah,

0:45:51.000 --> 0:45:52.120
<v Speaker 5>you can still be Christopher.

0:45:52.719 --> 0:45:54.799
<v Speaker 2>I don't know how you're allow that. No, So I

0:45:54.800 --> 0:45:55.839
<v Speaker 2>mean I'm rooting for the guy.

0:45:55.920 --> 0:45:58.640
<v Speaker 5>But still a few months later, though, there was a break.

0:45:59.080 --> 0:46:01.680
<v Speaker 5>Lindsey bucking was at the center of this. And I'm

0:46:01.719 --> 0:46:04.080
<v Speaker 5>not talking about the Fleetwood macuitarist.

0:46:04.120 --> 0:46:05.040
<v Speaker 3>I'm talking about his daughter.

0:46:05.800 --> 0:46:08.879
<v Speaker 5>She got an email from a guy named Kevin Stopford.

0:46:10.440 --> 0:46:14.000
<v Speaker 5>According to Lost magazine quote, the subject line read your

0:46:14.040 --> 0:46:17.520
<v Speaker 5>father I know him. Attached was a full color family

0:46:17.560 --> 0:46:20.919
<v Speaker 5>photograph showing a younger version of her father, blonde and tan,

0:46:21.120 --> 0:46:25.400
<v Speaker 5>surrounded by brothers and sisters. Kevin Stopford also emailed officers

0:46:25.400 --> 0:46:28.920
<v Speaker 5>at the Frontier Crime Unit, insisting that he knew Buckingham's

0:46:29.000 --> 0:46:31.879
<v Speaker 5>real name. The person who claims to be Christopher Edward

0:46:31.920 --> 0:46:35.600
<v Speaker 5>Buckingham is known to me as Charles Albert Stopford. His

0:46:35.719 --> 0:46:38.120
<v Speaker 5>current alias has been known to my mother for many

0:46:38.200 --> 0:46:41.799
<v Speaker 5>years and more recently to my brothers and sisters. So

0:46:41.880 --> 0:46:44.680
<v Speaker 5>she didn't tell anyone about the phone call. The mom

0:46:45.719 --> 0:46:47.200
<v Speaker 5>yeah it's her baby.

0:46:47.440 --> 0:46:47.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:46:47.680 --> 0:46:50.920
<v Speaker 5>So, according to NBC News quote, over the years, family

0:46:50.920 --> 0:46:53.799
<v Speaker 5>members in Florida had searched for their brother using his name,

0:46:54.080 --> 0:46:56.920
<v Speaker 5>but recently one did an Internet search using the name

0:46:57.000 --> 0:46:59.799
<v Speaker 5>Buckingham and spotted a story in the London Times about

0:46:59.800 --> 0:47:03.000
<v Speaker 5>a jailed man in England calling himself Lord Buckingham. They

0:47:03.000 --> 0:47:05.800
<v Speaker 5>got in touch with British authorities, so you can imagine

0:47:05.800 --> 0:47:07.640
<v Speaker 5>they're just like, what has ever happened to him?

0:47:08.120 --> 0:47:08.600
<v Speaker 2>Like let me.

0:47:10.160 --> 0:47:10.279
<v Speaker 4>Well.

0:47:10.320 --> 0:47:12.880
<v Speaker 5>The moms like, well, okay, a little something funny, like

0:47:13.200 --> 0:47:16.839
<v Speaker 5>I don't know, twenty something years ago, got a call.

0:47:16.960 --> 0:47:18.920
<v Speaker 2>I should have told you guys this, but yeah.

0:47:18.960 --> 0:47:24.799
<v Speaker 5>So Lindsay told Cosmo that she was shocked that to

0:47:24.840 --> 0:47:27.680
<v Speaker 5>hear that her dad was American, because he was always

0:47:27.719 --> 0:47:31.080
<v Speaker 5>just like ripping on Americans and calling him quote stupid, brash,

0:47:31.120 --> 0:47:31.920
<v Speaker 5>loud idiots.

0:47:32.520 --> 0:47:33.600
<v Speaker 3>That's why he left, I guess.

0:47:34.280 --> 0:47:38.400
<v Speaker 5>His philandering father told the Guardian newspaper quote, Charles always

0:47:38.480 --> 0:47:40.879
<v Speaker 5>had an obsession with the English, maybe because he knew

0:47:40.920 --> 0:47:42.719
<v Speaker 5>that my ancestry is English.

0:47:43.239 --> 0:47:47.719
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's all about you, dude. Sure, the Brits they

0:47:47.800 --> 0:47:50.600
<v Speaker 3>sent Buckingham's fingerprints to the US, and of course there

0:47:50.640 --> 0:47:51.040
<v Speaker 3>was a hit.

0:47:51.440 --> 0:47:54.879
<v Speaker 5>He's confirmed as Charles Stopford. And now they just had

0:47:54.920 --> 0:47:58.520
<v Speaker 5>to deport him, and so he's Florida's problem. Again, this

0:47:58.719 --> 0:48:02.200
<v Speaker 5>wasn't an immediate process. And so while waiting for that deportation,

0:48:02.360 --> 0:48:05.080
<v Speaker 5>a bunch of his brothers and sisters headed over.

0:48:04.920 --> 0:48:06.600
<v Speaker 3>The Pond to visit him in jail.

0:48:06.880 --> 0:48:07.320
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

0:48:07.480 --> 0:48:10.080
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, And so I mean, imagine you don't know where

0:48:10.120 --> 0:48:11.960
<v Speaker 5>your brother's been all these years, and you just have

0:48:12.080 --> 0:48:15.000
<v Speaker 5>these like vague stories from the mom but then everything

0:48:15.040 --> 0:48:18.080
<v Speaker 5>cuts off, you know, in eighty six.

0:48:18.160 --> 0:48:19.759
<v Speaker 2>And I guess they probably still loved him in that

0:48:19.800 --> 0:48:22.520
<v Speaker 2>way that they wanted to sure, And also it's just

0:48:22.520 --> 0:48:23.000
<v Speaker 2>fun to go to.

0:48:23.000 --> 0:48:25.880
<v Speaker 3>England and why not. So Jody, the ex wife, she

0:48:25.960 --> 0:48:28.319
<v Speaker 3>got wind of this and called Buckingham to give him

0:48:28.320 --> 0:48:30.920
<v Speaker 3>a heads up and he freaked.

0:48:30.480 --> 0:48:31.719
<v Speaker 2>Out that thought.

0:48:31.800 --> 0:48:31.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:48:32.000 --> 0:48:34.279
<v Speaker 5>He told her that he had amnesia since the car

0:48:34.320 --> 0:48:36.799
<v Speaker 5>accident in France and had no memories of his life

0:48:36.840 --> 0:48:40.919
<v Speaker 5>before becoming Buckingham. And not just that, he also said

0:48:40.920 --> 0:48:43.480
<v Speaker 5>he only kind of remembered being married to her and

0:48:43.520 --> 0:48:46.280
<v Speaker 5>he had no idea who his kids were. So Jody

0:48:46.320 --> 0:48:48.200
<v Speaker 5>pointed out, like, you know what, We've spoken to each

0:48:48.200 --> 0:48:51.680
<v Speaker 5>other and seen each other kids included since the accident.

0:48:51.320 --> 0:48:53.319
<v Speaker 3>And there was no amnesia then.

0:48:53.920 --> 0:48:57.760
<v Speaker 5>And I don't know why she bothers like this guy lies,

0:48:57.760 --> 0:49:01.080
<v Speaker 5>like he totally two one thousand and six, they put

0:49:01.120 --> 0:49:03.359
<v Speaker 5>him on a flight to Orlando, him and a bunch

0:49:03.360 --> 0:49:07.480
<v Speaker 5>of Disney heads, and according to the Orlando Sentral newspaper quote,

0:49:07.800 --> 0:49:11.760
<v Speaker 5>upon his return, he hid an Orlando International Airports terminal,

0:49:12.080 --> 0:49:14.840
<v Speaker 5>telling long estranged family members through a cell phone that

0:49:14.880 --> 0:49:17.520
<v Speaker 5>he wouldn't greet them until members of the media left.

0:49:17.800 --> 0:49:22.279
<v Speaker 5>Stopford's family left the airport without a reunion. So back

0:49:22.320 --> 0:49:25.680
<v Speaker 5>on American soil. He did not want to be Charles Stopford.

0:49:25.760 --> 0:49:29.319
<v Speaker 5>He wanted to be Christopher Buckings. He made people call

0:49:29.360 --> 0:49:32.320
<v Speaker 5>him Christopher. He's like, that's my name, and he still

0:49:32.400 --> 0:49:35.040
<v Speaker 5>used the English accent, which, to be fair, he did

0:49:35.080 --> 0:49:37.200
<v Speaker 5>live there for decades, and so we probably couldn't shake

0:49:37.239 --> 0:49:38.239
<v Speaker 5>it even if he wanted to.

0:49:38.400 --> 0:49:40.200
<v Speaker 2>And he's been faking it for so long. He's been

0:49:40.239 --> 0:49:40.520
<v Speaker 2>made it.

0:49:40.680 --> 0:49:43.080
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, And so a reporter asked him why he did it, Like,

0:49:43.200 --> 0:49:46.360
<v Speaker 5>why did you invent this new identity, and he's like,

0:49:46.400 --> 0:49:49.080
<v Speaker 5>you know what, I have amnesia from an accident and

0:49:49.120 --> 0:49:55.040
<v Speaker 5>I can't remember. He's loving that. It was just like

0:49:55.200 --> 0:49:57.880
<v Speaker 5>just a lob to him. You can use this forever.

0:49:58.320 --> 0:50:00.759
<v Speaker 5>So he got banned from travel to both the UK

0:50:00.960 --> 0:50:04.760
<v Speaker 5>and Switzerland. WHOA, and once in the States, he acted

0:50:04.800 --> 0:50:08.480
<v Speaker 5>like his UK family didn't exist, cut all contact. He

0:50:08.560 --> 0:50:11.240
<v Speaker 5>did keep in touch with that Swiss nurse, Anita Keller

0:50:12.239 --> 0:50:17.000
<v Speaker 5>Dad and then when asked about how Anita was handling

0:50:17.080 --> 0:50:21.000
<v Speaker 5>all this, Buckingham told Lost Magazine quote, she really didn't

0:50:21.040 --> 0:50:24.080
<v Speaker 5>pass any judgment. She was confused and a little upset,

0:50:24.120 --> 0:50:26.160
<v Speaker 5>but in the end she said she didn't care. She

0:50:26.200 --> 0:50:29.080
<v Speaker 5>always knew me as Christopher anyway, so there was no

0:50:29.200 --> 0:50:29.759
<v Speaker 5>change for her.

0:50:29.840 --> 0:50:30.840
<v Speaker 3>She just thinks it's.

0:50:30.680 --> 0:50:33.000
<v Speaker 5>Good that I'm seeing my family finally and wants me

0:50:33.040 --> 0:50:35.040
<v Speaker 5>to get back to Switzerland as soon as possible.

0:50:35.280 --> 0:50:36.880
<v Speaker 2>Sir, I'd like to hear her side of the story.

0:50:37.040 --> 0:50:37.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:50:37.520 --> 0:50:40.319
<v Speaker 5>By fall of two thousand and seven, he managed to

0:50:40.400 --> 0:50:44.040
<v Speaker 5>do just that. Like, despite the ban, he made his

0:50:44.080 --> 0:50:48.920
<v Speaker 5>way to Zurich. Who knows, Lost Magazine laid it all

0:50:48.960 --> 0:50:52.799
<v Speaker 5>out quote he had legally obtained a US passport in

0:50:52.840 --> 0:50:56.719
<v Speaker 5>his adopted identity, but lied about his birthday on the application,

0:50:57.000 --> 0:51:00.000
<v Speaker 5>writing in that of the real Christopher Buckingham rather than

0:51:00.080 --> 0:51:03.239
<v Speaker 5>than his own. From there, he had simply boarded a

0:51:03.280 --> 0:51:06.280
<v Speaker 5>plane and flown to Zurich. The Swiss raised no fuss

0:51:06.320 --> 0:51:08.840
<v Speaker 5>at his return. He told them he'd been traveling abroad.

0:51:09.239 --> 0:51:11.080
<v Speaker 5>They took him at his word, and just like that,

0:51:11.160 --> 0:51:15.240
<v Speaker 5>he was back Swiss. Yeah, so for real. He moved

0:51:15.239 --> 0:51:18.040
<v Speaker 5>in with Anita in the same place they'd lived before,

0:51:18.360 --> 0:51:21.440
<v Speaker 5>got his old job back as the computer security consultant,

0:51:21.920 --> 0:51:24.080
<v Speaker 5>went back to calling himself Lord Buckingham.

0:51:25.200 --> 0:51:28.000
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely nothing had changed, and.

0:51:27.960 --> 0:51:30.680
<v Speaker 5>I'll leave you with these bits from the Lost Magazine

0:51:30.719 --> 0:51:34.680
<v Speaker 5>interview quote. Over the years, he had successfully passed himself

0:51:34.719 --> 0:51:38.160
<v Speaker 5>off as a British aristocrat, Russian royalty and a German businessman,

0:51:38.480 --> 0:51:41.880
<v Speaker 5>a retired Cold War spy, and even a dead man. However,

0:51:42.040 --> 0:51:44.440
<v Speaker 5>when asked why he didn't use any of these after

0:51:44.480 --> 0:51:47.520
<v Speaker 5>his arrest, he said, in the end, I'm not criminally

0:51:47.560 --> 0:51:50.520
<v Speaker 5>minded for the intent of criminality, and I mean you

0:51:50.600 --> 0:51:53.520
<v Speaker 5>have to face the music someday if the hunters ever

0:51:53.560 --> 0:51:56.400
<v Speaker 5>got too close. Buckingham assured me he was prepared to

0:51:56.440 --> 0:51:59.680
<v Speaker 5>disappear again. He was certain he would leave no traces.

0:52:00.280 --> 0:52:04.120
<v Speaker 5>I have vanished many times. He told me, no one's

0:52:04.120 --> 0:52:07.040
<v Speaker 5>sure where he is today or what he's up to,

0:52:07.080 --> 0:52:08.360
<v Speaker 5>but I'm sure it's ridiculous.

0:52:08.560 --> 0:52:10.880
<v Speaker 3>I'm met, Saron. What's your ridiculous takeaway?

0:52:11.760 --> 0:52:13.560
<v Speaker 2>This is one of the rare ones where the guy

0:52:13.719 --> 0:52:17.040
<v Speaker 2>does a lot. He basically doesn't fake his death, but

0:52:17.080 --> 0:52:19.400
<v Speaker 2>he just you know, assumes a new identity. And I

0:52:19.480 --> 0:52:21.279
<v Speaker 2>kept thinking when you got to the LLC part that

0:52:21.320 --> 0:52:23.600
<v Speaker 2>he was going to go for broken criminality and like

0:52:23.680 --> 0:52:27.160
<v Speaker 2>a massive fortune of millions ill gotten gained, maybe rip

0:52:27.160 --> 0:52:29.360
<v Speaker 2>off a charity or two, and it's like, nope, I

0:52:29.480 --> 0:52:31.200
<v Speaker 2>just want to be a lord. Yeah. I mean, he's

0:52:31.239 --> 0:52:33.839
<v Speaker 2>just like playing dress up, but at the criminal level

0:52:33.880 --> 0:52:36.520
<v Speaker 2>of dress up. This is make believe to the level

0:52:36.560 --> 0:52:38.320
<v Speaker 2>of you can go to prison for make belief.

0:52:38.120 --> 0:52:39.840
<v Speaker 3>Sir, right, right, it's wild.

0:52:39.960 --> 0:52:41.279
<v Speaker 2>So what's yours of Elizabeth?

0:52:41.480 --> 0:52:41.760
<v Speaker 3>Again?

0:52:41.840 --> 0:52:44.600
<v Speaker 5>I don't that The whole psychology of this is just

0:52:44.880 --> 0:52:48.239
<v Speaker 5>boggles my mind. You know, you can change your name

0:52:48.360 --> 0:52:51.200
<v Speaker 5>legally and then you can just go around calling yourself

0:52:51.239 --> 0:52:54.840
<v Speaker 5>this thing, and you know, but on your official records

0:52:54.880 --> 0:52:56.640
<v Speaker 5>do I don't know. There are other ways to do

0:52:56.680 --> 0:52:58.520
<v Speaker 5>this where you're not lying and.

0:52:58.600 --> 0:53:00.840
<v Speaker 2>Realized I almost changed my name because my father and

0:53:00.840 --> 0:53:02.440
<v Speaker 2>I have the same nameh were both writers that to

0:53:02.520 --> 0:53:03.880
<v Speaker 2>make things easy on the internet. I was going to

0:53:04.000 --> 0:53:06.600
<v Speaker 2>change my name and I told him that. He's like no,

0:53:07.000 --> 0:53:10.120
<v Speaker 2>I was like, really, okay, then I guess I'm not going.

0:53:09.960 --> 0:53:11.240
<v Speaker 3>To change my namesake.

0:53:11.800 --> 0:53:13.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, He's like, I named you that for a reason,

0:53:13.760 --> 0:53:19.239
<v Speaker 2>and I was like, oh, I did your work out

0:53:19.280 --> 0:53:20.600
<v Speaker 2>of respect, I kept the name.

0:53:22.360 --> 0:53:24.160
<v Speaker 3>You know what I think would top this off? Well,

0:53:24.760 --> 0:53:25.239
<v Speaker 3>talk back?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh those are always fun. Oh, oh my god.

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<v Speaker 3>I went get.

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<v Speaker 4>Hey, Saron and Elizabeth, I love, love, love your show.

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<v Speaker 4>But one thing I just have to say, because it's

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<v Speaker 4>frustrating me, is I don't know how you put up

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<v Speaker 4>with it, Elizabeth. Every time you try to say anything,

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<v Speaker 4>Saron's talking over you, and it gets frustrating for the listener.

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<v Speaker 4>So no offense. Still love you, Take.

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<v Speaker 2>Care I spoke too soon. They're not always that's good

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<v Speaker 2>construct but honestly it did.

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<v Speaker 5>Like, so this is a conversation, Like it's a conversation

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<v Speaker 5>like when I'm telling a story, I have bullet point

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<v Speaker 5>notes that I hit and maybe like the quotes are

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<v Speaker 5>written out, but the rest of it is just us talking.

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<v Speaker 2>We know each other really well, so it's yeah, I.

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<v Speaker 5>Mean I can understand, like if it's difficult to listen to,

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<v Speaker 5>it's not difficult for me.

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<v Speaker 3>But you know, well, I'm.

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<v Speaker 2>Glad you say that, and I do. By the way,

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<v Speaker 2>I apologize for that tendency. I come from a family

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<v Speaker 2>where people talk over each other and Elizabeth does not,

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<v Speaker 2>and so she's gotten used to me doing it and

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't necessarily take offense to it because it's not meant

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<v Speaker 2>other than just excitement, Like I can expect her to

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<v Speaker 2>keep talking even though I'm talking. I'm sure as a

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<v Speaker 2>listener that can be frustrating. So I apologize to listeners

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<v Speaker 2>who that frustrates, and I am working on it. I

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<v Speaker 2>constantly tell myself not to do it, but I get

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<v Speaker 2>very excited talking to Elizabeth's why we have so much

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<v Speaker 2>fun doing the show, and part of my excitement is

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<v Speaker 2>to start talking or to finish the thought she's having

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<v Speaker 2>with like the word of like I think I did

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<v Speaker 2>it today with Heraldry, like oh yeah, Harold, because I

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<v Speaker 2>was so excited. I'm like a kid, I'm like a puppy,

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<v Speaker 2>and I can't help myself, so I.

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<v Speaker 5>Do is appealing in that and that's why I think

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<v Speaker 5>it doesn't bother me. But also you made a good point,

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<v Speaker 5>is that there are families that talk over each other

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<v Speaker 5>and families that don't. Yes, and your family is definitely

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<v Speaker 5>a cross talk and like loud back and forth family.

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<v Speaker 5>And I come from very mellow.

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<v Speaker 2>You guys can speaking like I'm used to listening. If

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<v Speaker 2>I don't have at least three people talking at once

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<v Speaker 2>in a family function, it's like something is somewhat upset,

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<v Speaker 2>like they and I'm really good at tracking three different

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<v Speaker 2>conversations at the same time, which makes a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people really nervous, but it actually makes me feel calm.

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<v Speaker 5>I have sometimes think it's like Also like your family

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<v Speaker 5>is from.

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<v Speaker 3>The East Coast, Yes, it's very much an easy in

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<v Speaker 3>the coast.

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<v Speaker 5>West Coast is where these like long time yeah, Blifornia

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<v Speaker 5>open spaces.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't need to shout. Also, you you come in

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes the office before we do the show, and I

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<v Speaker 2>will be listening to a radio show on my phone,

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<v Speaker 2>i will be watching something about fantasy football on my computer,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'll be talking like to somebody. I can have

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<v Speaker 2>lots of conversations, so to me, they're just layers as

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<v Speaker 2>opposed to like, there's one.

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<v Speaker 3>Thing happening and I got to do the one thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't I respect that.

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<v Speaker 5>Or it's like when I'm driving and it gets crazy,

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<v Speaker 5>I got to turn the radio off.

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<v Speaker 2>You're like, I'm going to park turn the radio off.

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<v Speaker 2>I know I've seen it, but again, I'm sorry, listeners.

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<v Speaker 2>I am working on it though.

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<v Speaker 5>But I do like the fact that we've got like

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<v Speaker 5>good constructive criticism, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, I feel like that.

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<v Speaker 3>Not ripping in on us, but at the same time

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<v Speaker 3>pointing out what what they like or don't like. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>let's not start that as a trend of everyone telling

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<v Speaker 3>us what's because then we're all going to get the

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<v Speaker 3>talk backs of Elizabeth doesn't know how to say words.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I think I'm better because I know I'm already messing.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm a delicate flower. That's it for today.

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