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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio Zaren Elizabeth.

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Speaker 2: How are you doing? Pretty well? I had a good

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Speaker 2: day to day he did. How about you? It was fun, exciting,

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Speaker 2: I read some cool stuff.

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Speaker 3: I like that.

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Speaker 2: Anytime I can like air out my head in new facts,

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Speaker 2: I'm always started.

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Speaker 3: Plus I love that for you.

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Speaker 2: How about you?

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Speaker 3: It was good day. It was nice and productive, and

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Speaker 3: then they came here.

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Speaker 2: Sorry about that.

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Speaker 3: Now, this is the highlight of my day, my week,

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Speaker 3: my life. Do you know what's ridiculous?

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Speaker 2: I do. We recentally lost Matthew Perry, the actor. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and before he passed, he wrote this memoir of his life.

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Speaker 2: And there's one story in the memoir that I find

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Speaker 2: ridiculous and in a very loving way.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So you ever wanted to steal a rock star's wife?

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Speaker 2: Not personally Matthew Perry did. Oh god, yes he was,

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Speaker 2: he was. I guess. He had the short lived sitcom

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Speaker 2: with Valerie Burton Nelly. Oh right. The show was called Sydney.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I don't remember that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was in nineteen ninety. It was a sick

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Speaker 2: didn't last very long.

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Speaker 3: I wasn't born yet.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, anyway, he fell in love with her while they

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Speaker 2: were filming that show, apparently, and she was married to

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Speaker 2: Eddie van Halen of Van Halen fame, And in his

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Speaker 2: memoir The Friends, Lovers and the Big Terrible Thing, he

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Speaker 2: has this story where he says, and I quote, I

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Speaker 2: was obsessed with her and harbored elaborate fantasies about her

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Speaker 2: leaving Eddie van Halen living out the rest of her

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Speaker 2: days with me. I didn't stand a chance, of course.

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Speaker 2: That said, there was one night I was over at

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Speaker 2: Valerie and Eddie's house, just hanging out and gazing at Valerie,

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Speaker 2: trying to make her laugh. As the night progressed, it

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Speaker 2: was clear that Eddie had enjoyed the fruits of the

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Speaker 2: vine a little too hard one more time, and eventually

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Speaker 2: he just passed out, not ten feet from us. But still,

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Speaker 2: this was my chance. Oh God, if you think I

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Speaker 2: didn't actually have a chance in hell, you'd be wrong,

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Speaker 2: dear reader. Valerie and I had a long, elaborate makeout session.

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Speaker 2: Oh it was happening. Maybe she felt the same way

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Speaker 2: I did. I told her I had thought about doing

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Speaker 2: that for a long time, and she'd said it right

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Speaker 2: back to me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Now, she never mentioned the incident ever again to anybody.

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Speaker 3: Well, and I'm sorry, but the kiss and tell aspect

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Speaker 2: But then when the memoir was released, she did acknowledge

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Speaker 2: on TikTok that yes she did have because I think

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Speaker 2: at that point Eddy van Halen had passed. So it

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Speaker 2: was like, Okay, I want her to like hoss of him, right,

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Speaker 2: I know, but like trying to become a rock star's wife,

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Speaker 2: it's just wild to me. He's like ten feet away.

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Speaker 2: It's like a high school thing. It's just alwady. He's

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Speaker 2: like and then you know fruit of the Vine, a

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Speaker 2: little Oh god, there you go.

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Speaker 3: Ridiculous, Yes, Rpeter, two thirds of them. Yeah, it's ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: Do you want to know what else is ridiculous?

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Speaker 2: Please?

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Speaker 5: I'm here for it, faking it until you're making it. Oh,

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Speaker 5: this is Ridiculous Crime A podcast about absurd and outrageous capers.

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Speaker 5: Heis and cons it's always ninety nine percent murder free

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Speaker 5: and one hundred percent ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I know you heard that.

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Speaker 3: I totally heard it.

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Speaker 5: We've talked about a few dudes before. It never seems

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Speaker 5: to be ladies who either faked their deaths or created

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Speaker 2: Doesn't tend to be a thing that the ladies do.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I'm sure they do, but.

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Speaker 2: They get away with It's why we're not talking about

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Speaker 2: it yet this show.

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Speaker 5: And for some this whole thing is really tempting, you know,

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Speaker 5: and for a smaller sum that temptation.

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Speaker 3: Is too strong to ignore. They do totally.

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Speaker 5: I'm fascinated by the psychology behind this. It's like, not

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Speaker 5: when they're running away from debt.

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Speaker 3: Or justice, sure, that's just cowardice.

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Speaker 5: I'm talking about when they just want to be someone

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Speaker 5: they aren't. Ah, you know, when they're so unhappy with

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Speaker 3: So I have a Florida fred de Mara.

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Speaker 2: The guy who pretend to be a doctor.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I mean that amount of time that he spent,

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Speaker 5: he probably could have just like become a doctor medical.

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Speaker 5: So I got this Florida man.

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Speaker 2: Okay, already starts killing.

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Speaker 3: He didn't want to be a Florida man's wild.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he was a Florida man who wanted to be

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Speaker 5: a Cambridge man, a landed man, a fancy lad of course.

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Speaker 5: Zaren close Eyes I'm just kidding, no, Zaren, I want

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Speaker 5: you to meet Charles Albert Stopford the third.

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Speaker 2: Is that his real name? Yeah, Charles, that's a Florida man.

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Speaker 3: Sounds like a proper English.

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Speaker 2: See why I was born in the wrong family.

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Speaker 3: Oh nay, old chuck. He was born in nineteen sixty

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Speaker 3: two in Orlando, Florida. Wow with that.

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Speaker 5: Name his Yeah, His dad, Charles Albert Stopford Junior, was

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Speaker 5: a Methodist minister. And there was a big old group

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Speaker 5: of Stopfords, seven boys and two girls. They had a litter,

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Speaker 5: Charles the third, he's the eldest.

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Speaker 2: So I know what their nighttime activities were.

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Speaker 5: So then there's this big family living in a house

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Speaker 5: provided by the Methodist church in Orlando in the sixties.

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Speaker 3: Okay, what a time to be alive.

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Speaker 2: Seriously, Charles meant to be like church funded.

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Speaker 5: Sure, Charles feisty kid, super fisty. He was funny and

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Speaker 5: practical jokes. So you know that he went to like

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Speaker 5: getting one of those buzzers for your hand.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the handshake to like shock people when you shake

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Speaker 5: The problem with those is that they're primarily used by kids,

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Speaker 5: uh huh, and like they have very few opportunities to

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Speaker 5: around asking to shake everyone's hands, and then they got

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Speaker 3: It's super obvious ring around. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Anyway, Charles the jokester so when he was in his

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Speaker 2: Get Slipping a Whooper kitschien under somebody is difficult because

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Speaker 3: And then if they if they block the outlet, you.

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Speaker 2: Don't hear anything.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, but I'll tell you when it's when it's

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Speaker 3: done right, beauty Chef's kiss, so good, Charles. He is

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Speaker 5: He stuck to my grandma's motto of act like you know,

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Speaker 5: and he snuck onto a US military base.

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Speaker 2: Wow yeah because a teen.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and he breezed his way into the officers club.

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Speaker 2: In fact, but people thought he was like an officer's son.

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Speaker 3: Well, no, I don't know.

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Speaker 5: He just he was so confidently behaved, and he was like,

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Speaker 3: How you doing a yes, sir.

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Speaker 5: Another time he dressed up as a fake DEA agent

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Speaker 5: in seventies Orlando. Wow, he got a fake gun and everything,

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Speaker 3: For real, son of a preacher man.

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Speaker 2: Dude, that's the move. That's my kind of criminal, right there. See,

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Speaker 3: So while all this tomfoolery is going on, Charles.

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Speaker 5: Was growing more and more enamored of the United Kingdom,

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Speaker 5: oh well England to be precise.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I figured.

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Speaker 3: So he had the.

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Speaker 5: Union jack flag aka the Butcher's apron on his bedroom wall, Like,

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Speaker 5: was it the who the sex pistols who radicalized him?

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Speaker 2: Seriously?

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Speaker 3: Turns out it was the Beatles, Beatlemania strikes again, the

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, he's of course, but the joking, Yes, I

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Speaker 5: So he'd hang out in his room and like listen

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Speaker 2: Did you ever do that when you're a kid, No,

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Speaker 2: Oh, My sister and I practiced all sorts of accents.

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately though it was like, yeah, picking the wrong like

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Speaker 5: Going to get you nowhere exact well, like his dad.

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Speaker 5: His dad got a kick out of his accent. Oh

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Speaker 2: He plays on audience every Sunday, exactly. He's a performer exactly.

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Speaker 5: So he got so Charles got so good at it

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Speaker 5: that he would convince substitute teachers that he was English really,

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Speaker 2: It's a good story to tell.

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Speaker 5: I'd have worked the Disney angle, but that's just me,

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Speaker 2: A NASA sounds impressive without going can I get in right?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 5: So that was Charles until he was sixteen, and then

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Speaker 5: things changed for him. It was nineteen seventy eight and

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Speaker 5: his preacher dad stepped out on his mom Ooh yeah,

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Speaker 5: he actually ran off with a lady from the church.

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Speaker 2: Of course, where else do you think he's going to

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Speaker 2: find people?

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Speaker 5: So he left his wife and kids high and dry,

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Speaker 5: took off, left them in the parsonage, and took.

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Speaker 3: Off with the new guys.

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Speaker 2: Are you for real?

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Speaker 3: I'm totally for real. So since none of the remaining

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Speaker 2: Your family, forgive me, I'm out.

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Speaker 5: None of the remaining family members were Methodist preachers, okay,

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Speaker 5: so they got evicted from said parsonage. Of course, the

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Speaker 5: church congregation took pity on them. They tried to like

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Speaker 5: like how here's meet the deacon. The pain and the humiliation.

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Speaker 5: So Charles he got a job for a little while.

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Speaker 3: At Disney World, this is the late seventies.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, late seventies, and he had that amazing English accent. Course,

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Speaker 5: so he scored a gig in Epcot Center's United Kingdom pavilion.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, good for him.

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Speaker 3: Then when he graduated, way to make it.

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Speaker 2: Work, get paid for that act.

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Speaker 5: That works exactly, exactly. Don't hide your light under a bushel.

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Speaker 5: He graduates in nineteen eighty and joins the navy. Okay,

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I didn't for I forget that.

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Speaker 3: Please don't ever forget that. Well, he escalated.

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Speaker 5: He thought he'd make a funny and he put an

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Speaker 5: It belonged to the manager of a Burger King.

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Speaker 2: It's not the deep State, It's not No oh no Kings, Elizabeth,

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Speaker 3: I thought the Burger King like controlled everything.

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Speaker 2: No, no, you're thinking across Junior.

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Speaker 5: Well have it your way, Okay, Well it totaled the

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Speaker 2: Like I was gonna say, that's the danger, that's the

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Speaker 3: A burger king manager.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and like track you down.

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Speaker 3: Oh, black helicopters over your house and they.

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Speaker 2: You're still going with the deep state.

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Speaker 3: I'm wedded.

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Speaker 2: It's more fun.

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Speaker 3: Like you'll hear a click on the phone line. What

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Speaker 2: You heard me, mister Hoover. You're gonna go through with it?

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Speaker 3: Your friend on the other one, what are you talking about? Now?

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Speaker 2: Heard? Do you heard that? Right?

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Speaker 5: It's just before the Beverly Hills cop banana and the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's pretty trailblazing Maverick.

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Speaker 2: And also he didn't do the thing where you back

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Speaker 3: The interior of it. Yeah. So the stunt got him attention,

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Speaker 2: I bet it did.

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Speaker 5: He got arrested kind of attention. He got charged with arson,

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Speaker 2: Something he did a British accent, not an Irish accent.

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Speaker 3: A little iron cable, honey. Yeah. Needless to say, he

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Speaker 3: got kicked out of the Navy. I bet they didn't

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Speaker 2: They wanted to have you do their ordinances, not your

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Speaker 5: But in July of nineteen eighty two, he violated his probation.

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Speaker 2: Maybe voted, could be.

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Speaker 3: Either way. They he went into a Burger King. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: We got him. I love your commitment to the pit

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Speaker 5: All right, So they revised the agreement. Now he had

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Speaker 2: That was the punishment. Yeah, I guess we're going to

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Speaker 5: So but January the next year, Charles is totally not

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Speaker 5: having it. He went out and he got a passport expedited.

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Speaker 5: He threw some clothes in a suitcase, grabbed his other

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Speaker 5: ID stuff like his driver's license, bur certificet all that

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Speaker 5: bought a one way ticket out of the United States. Okay,

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Speaker 5: it's like probation is one thing, but forcing him to

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Speaker 3: Bridge too far.

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Speaker 2: I ain't cracking no books.

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Speaker 3: He didn't tell his family that he was on the run. No,

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Speaker 3: he told him he got a job.

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Speaker 2: Oh he did tell them something.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, He's like, I got a tech job. Guys. So

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Speaker 3: I mean it's eighty two and it's like the beginning

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Speaker 2: Yeah, howay for so we were not aware of like

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Speaker 5: I'm loving life. He reached out to them from Germany, Spain, Italy, Greece, Egypt,

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Speaker 5: He just traveled the world. Sometimes he sent pictures to

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Speaker 5: like her family was sort of disintegrating in her hands

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Speaker 2: Oh, I bet you still got younger kids.

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Speaker 5: Got younger kids, Yeah, because he's the old of the kids.

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Speaker 5: She later told ABC News, quote, I know he was

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Speaker 3: Look at them. Sweet, she's so sweet.

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Speaker 2: Do you think he was like, you know, on like ships,

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Speaker 3: Around It could be, it could be. We will never know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just curious.

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Speaker 3: But then one day his.

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Speaker 5: Mom gets his little package, not photos, not a postcard,

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Speaker 5: just as Lost magazine put it, Charles's quote passport, birth certificate,

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Speaker 5: social security card, driver's license, Disney World ID, and every

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Speaker 5: Albert Stopford II. And after that the postcard stopped coming.

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Speaker 2: Did he have any letter explaining what he was doing?

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Speaker 2: Otherwise that's like, did he join the French Foreign Legion?

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Speaker 2: Was he abducted? What happened?

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Speaker 4: Was it?

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Speaker 2: The King of Burger was it the king.

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Speaker 5: So nothing by post after that, like, no tales of

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Speaker 5: cool adventures. But then in nineteen eighty six he did

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Speaker 2: He called good for him.

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Speaker 3: You wanted to put you and.

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Speaker 5: You wanted to let his family know I'm okay, I'm

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Speaker 5: he'd changed his name, so his brother, Wesley Stopford later said,

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Speaker 3: People do that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, people changed their names. Vice brother changed any like

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Speaker 2: three four times.

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 5: So you know who's to say his name now? Was

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Speaker 2: Wow, bro, you can't name yourself after the palace he.

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Speaker 3: Called.

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Speaker 2: It's like a Disney name. That's like a name for

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Speaker 3: He called his family in nineteen eighty six.

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Speaker 5: But it was actually three years earlier that he'd done

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Speaker 2: Sure I feel that, yeah, So.

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Speaker 5: I'm sure you know where this is going. It's a

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Speaker 2: I'm just supposed to do it before they get a

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Speaker 2: Social Security card, are the equivalent, and he needed to.

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Speaker 5: Get the birth certificate of a boy who died in

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Speaker 2: It totally works. I know people have done that, and

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Speaker 5: The name, so he picked one of the Christopher Buckingham,

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Speaker 5: specifically Christopher Edward Buckingham.

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Speaker 3: Wow, yeah, so that.

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Speaker 2: I shouldn't laugh. But my mother once dated a guy

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Speaker 2: You're lucky you almost were Zaron Buckingham. I'm like, you

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Speaker 3: And then Jimmy Buckingham Christopher Buckingh so weird right now.

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Speaker 5: The real Christopher Edward Buckingham was born on December twenty.

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Speaker 3: Fourth, nineteen sixty two, and like Christmas baby, Yeah, he.

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Speaker 5: Died about six months later, while on vacation with his parents.

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Speaker 2: You know, Christopher means a gift of Christ, like they

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Speaker 5: Well, that's probably why they went with it, Edward and Audrey,

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Speaker 5: But whatever, that's just me. Anyway, he put.

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Speaker 2: In, is there any child passing away that you would

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Speaker 2: some bad woo woo? No, okay, don't do that, So

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Speaker 3: Then none.

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Speaker 5: No, I'm dying with the one I got. So he

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Speaker 5: the rest of the pieces in place. He applied for

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Speaker 5: then a passport at all. It took him like eight months.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't want.

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Speaker 5: To yeah, and he later told Lost magazine quote, I

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Speaker 3: I just filled in the forms and sent them through

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Speaker 5: And so it was that on June twenty third, nineteen

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Speaker 5: was reborn as Christopher Buckingham. Let's take a break for

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Speaker 5: some ads, and when we return, we're going to find

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Speaker 5: out what life has in store for.

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Speaker 3: Chris Zarin, Elizabeth, welcome, welcome back.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. I was just enjoying some burger king.

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Speaker 3: You stopped.

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Speaker 2: You're making me where to get the burgers. You play

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Speaker 2: a deep state.

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Speaker 3: Put the wrapper outs in the garbage before I say

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Speaker 3: anything for there. So it's all it's got. It's wired,

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Speaker 3: and nano robots in the milkshakes. It's crazy. Sure, I'm

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Speaker 3: sure they do. It's anyway.

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Speaker 5: So Charles Stopford he became Christopher Buckingham. So long Orlando. Hello,

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Speaker 5: Southern Bavaria. Yeah, Buckingham. He didn't use his new English

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Speaker 3: Smart, he got a job in Germany.

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Speaker 2: That's really smart, actually.

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Speaker 5: And when I first read Southern Bavaria, I thought it

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Speaker 3: But what do I know?

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Speaker 5: And it turns out very little. But it also turns

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Speaker 2: That's a really smart move because they're going to have

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Speaker 2: even harder levels of trying to check. I mean, that's wowed.

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Speaker 3: He got a job at a dish on this show.

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Speaker 5: Well, he got a job as a dishwasher in a

448
00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:01,040
Speaker 5: cafe at like a tourist resort, and that's where.

449
00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:03,760
Speaker 3: He met a lovely young Canadian who was also working there.

450
00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:06,680
Speaker 3: Jody Doe. That's her real name.

451
00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:09,440
Speaker 5: It's not like you know, sometimes they run out of

452
00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:12,840
Speaker 5: Jane Doe's and they just, you know, unidentified bodies.

453
00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:15,280
Speaker 3: No, that's her name.

454
00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:20,320
Speaker 5: So he told all sorts of tall tales about his life,

455
00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:23,719
Speaker 5: inventing a backstory as he went. He said that he

456
00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:26,240
Speaker 5: was originally from England. I mean, that's the accent of

457
00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:30,760
Speaker 5: his dad was a diplomat, he said. Tragically, both of

458
00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:33,399
Speaker 5: his parents had died in the plane crash in Egypt.

459
00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:34,480
Speaker 2: When he was a boy.

460
00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:41,720
Speaker 5: You can't meet them, Kenja in jaw So he can't.

461
00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:45,760
Speaker 5: You can't ask him anything, you can't meet them. And

462
00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:46,639
Speaker 5: you know what, he's.

463
00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:47,560
Speaker 3: A citizen of the world.

464
00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:50,000
Speaker 5: It's like, I've traveled all over which he had. He

465
00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:54,800
Speaker 5: told her, A loner, a rebel. He told her that

466
00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:59,040
Speaker 5: before this Bavarian dishwashing adventure, that he had lived on

467
00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:02,480
Speaker 5: a kibbutz in Israel for a few months. So you know,

468
00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:05,920
Speaker 5: she's sold. Soon enough, they're married, She's like, I love this.

469
00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:09,960
Speaker 5: They stuck around Bavaria working at these various alpine hotels

470
00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:12,680
Speaker 5: and resorts. You know, they kind of became townies.

471
00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:13,200
Speaker 3: I suppose.

472
00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:16,159
Speaker 5: In July of nineteen eighty six, their daughter Lindsay was

473
00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:20,399
Speaker 5: born Lindsay Buckingham. I love that for her.

474
00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:23,919
Speaker 3: She'll be someone's silver spring one day. So that was

475
00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:25,600
Speaker 3: about the time that he last I.

476
00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:28,879
Speaker 2: Mean they had to know, they had to know and

477
00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:31,640
Speaker 2: kicking it in like eighty six, Lindsay Buckingham, why would

478
00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:32,160
Speaker 2: you do that.

479
00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:34,240
Speaker 3: To your daughter? So that was about the time that

480
00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:35,800
Speaker 3: he last reached hilarious that.

481
00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:37,760
Speaker 2: They didn't know and then they found out, Like when

482
00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:40,120
Speaker 2: she's four or five and she's memorized her name, they're like.

483
00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:42,440
Speaker 3: Who who Lee would what they it could be?

484
00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:44,840
Speaker 2: I don't listen to that that commusic.

485
00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:46,280
Speaker 3: They just listened to classical music.

486
00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:49,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, they they don't know all about the about that bok.

487
00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:52,399
Speaker 5: Yeah, so he she gets she's born, and that's around

488
00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:53,480
Speaker 5: the time that he calls his mom.

489
00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:54,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was guessing.

490
00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:56,520
Speaker 5: And so when the babies a year old, they moved

491
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Speaker 5: to London and actually to like a grubby studio flat

492
00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:04,080
Speaker 5: just outside London. London's crazy expensive and it was then too,

493
00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:07,760
Speaker 5: Yeah it is big. Buckingham was doing his best to

494
00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:10,280
Speaker 5: work his way up, so he got a job an

495
00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:11,720
Speaker 5: it gig at Reuter's.

496
00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:13,480
Speaker 2: He really isn't tech, yeah, I.

497
00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:17,360
Speaker 5: Guess he does like computers, and it was this solid job. Sure,

498
00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:19,680
Speaker 5: and his wife gave birth to their son.

499
00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:21,000
Speaker 2: Edward mcfleetwood.

500
00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:23,359
Speaker 3: Edward mcfleetwood Buckingham.

501
00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:26,800
Speaker 2: Edwards named it after farmer King's.

502
00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:31,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, but isn't that like yeah, he just sounds British.

503
00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:34,400
Speaker 3: But I think that was also his fake middle name.

504
00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:37,320
Speaker 2: Oh right, Yeah. Then they called him Teddy.

505
00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:39,880
Speaker 3: Teddy Buckingham, Teddy Bucks.

506
00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:42,520
Speaker 5: So he worked bucking He worked his way up through

507
00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:45,280
Speaker 5: through Reuter's little by little, and he went from general

508
00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:48,399
Speaker 5: it to like computer security. He just rose to ranks

509
00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:50,520
Speaker 5: and he was finally able to buy a house for

510
00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:55,000
Speaker 5: his family in Northampton, between London and Birmingham. Pretty much,

511
00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:59,560
Speaker 5: and there they lived happily until nineteen ninety six. Things

512
00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 5: weren't were between Christopher and Jody, so they separated. Oh yeah,

513
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:06,880
Speaker 5: Jody had been growing.

514
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:10,320
Speaker 2: Packed out the trauma of his own child.

515
00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:15,600
Speaker 5: Jody was suspicious of her husband, like he disappear for

516
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 5: days at a time, and he was so secretive about

517
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:22,160
Speaker 5: his life before they met. He didn't have any keepsakes

518
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 5: or mementos, nothing, nothing, and he didn't like to talk

519
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:29,680
Speaker 5: about his past or offer specific so she started digging.

520
00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:32,440
Speaker 5: So first she put an ad in the Times of London,

521
00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:34,600
Speaker 5: which is like, you're hoping he doesn't see it.

522
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:35,080
Speaker 3: I don't know.

523
00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:38,919
Speaker 5: She detailed her husband's basic biographical details and asked for

524
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:43,800
Speaker 5: any further information anyone might have. That's bold, but maybe

525
00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:45,280
Speaker 5: she's like, I know he doesn't read, he.

526
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:50,040
Speaker 2: Doesn't awsapuy, I do respect like you. She wants answers.

527
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:51,280
Speaker 2: I'm going to do exactly.

528
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:53,800
Speaker 5: So then she reached out to the UK Home Office

529
00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:56,480
Speaker 5: because she's like, I want to know information about his

530
00:23:56,600 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 5: dad's diplomatic career. And then she contacts the Egyptian embassy.

531
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:03,840
Speaker 2: Oh no, she went to consulates, yes, and.

532
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,639
Speaker 5: She's like, I'll want all the information available about this

533
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:11,399
Speaker 5: plane crash that claimed this these people's lives. She contacted

534
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:13,000
Speaker 5: the schools he said he went to. He said he

535
00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,400
Speaker 5: went to Harrow and Cambridge and like, can I get

536
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:17,680
Speaker 5: the student records? And they're like, I don't have anything.

537
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 2: So then would you have gone this far?

538
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 4: Oh?

539
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 3: Yeah? If I'm starting against this is the beginning.

540
00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:25,240
Speaker 2: It's the she.

541
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 3: Has to listen to the animal brain telling her. She

542
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 3: goes to the local cop and it's like, can you

543
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:33,359
Speaker 3: run a background check on my husband? Uh? And they're

544
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:34,320
Speaker 3: like they run it.

545
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,440
Speaker 5: No secret crimes, no hidden side family, no creeping dead,

546
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:38,400
Speaker 5: there's nothing.

547
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:39,360
Speaker 3: It's the problem.

548
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 5: He didn't exist on paper prior to nineteen eighty three,

549
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,560
Speaker 5: so there's no records of anything. Jody's just said a loss.

550
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,359
Speaker 5: So it's not like there are records that disprove anything.

551
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:49,359
Speaker 3: There's just nothing nothing.

552
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:51,200
Speaker 2: Do you think that part of her thought that maybe

553
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:54,359
Speaker 2: he was like from some fabulously wealthy family and he

554
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:55,960
Speaker 2: just didn't want anyone to find out.

555
00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 3: I don't know.

556
00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,160
Speaker 2: Do you think she was just suspicious in the negative?

557
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,200
Speaker 5: I probably just suspicious in the negative. I feel like

558
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,200
Speaker 5: he didn't feed her enough breadcrumbs to make her suspicious

559
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 5: in the positive in that sense.

560
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:10,360
Speaker 2: Well, I mean having a father is an ambassador in England,

561
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:14,120
Speaker 2: that's just like, oh you come from landed stuff always

562
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 2: that may be connected to the true Well, so you.

563
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:19,440
Speaker 3: Know, she it could have been, it could have been.

564
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 2: You know, I'm not sure she's think about getting divorced.

565
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:23,239
Speaker 2: Maybe she's like, before I divorce, before I do that.

566
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,440
Speaker 5: So the divorce gets finalized and then she just honestly

567
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,160
Speaker 5: gave up. She's like she stopped looking for more information.

568
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,960
Speaker 5: What's the point, you know, like good riddance to bad rubbish.

569
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:39,120
Speaker 5: So after the divorce, Buckingham moved to Switzerland and he

570
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:43,119
Speaker 5: was an executive now, so no ski cafe dishwashing gigs

571
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 5: for him. No, he started a bunch of LLC's because

572
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:47,200
Speaker 5: that's what business guys did.

573
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:48,479
Speaker 3: Sure business thing.

574
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,400
Speaker 5: I've heard that they weren't passed through LLC's that were

575
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 5: just for him. They were these like big companies at

576
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:57,440
Speaker 5: least on paper, and they were rife with corporate officers,

577
00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 5: so like men such as Richard James Thomas, David Allen, Thomas,

578
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 5: David Robert Allen, first name, pul David Keene German Haunts,

579
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,880
Speaker 5: Peter Schmidt and a fellow named Alexei Romanoff.

580
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:11,720
Speaker 3: No relation.

581
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:18,160
Speaker 2: The guys were these guys, these fictitious sounding names.

582
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 3: Great question, Dave. This will come as a major shock

583
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:21,239
Speaker 3: to you.

584
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:25,200
Speaker 5: They were all fake. Yeah, they didn't exist. They only

585
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:29,160
Speaker 5: existed in Buckingham's imagination. Well, okay, one was real. Paul

586
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:30,120
Speaker 5: David Keene.

587
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:35,199
Speaker 3: He was actually a friend of He was a fellow

588
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:37,879
Speaker 3: computer nerd. It'd been roommates at one time.

589
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,879
Speaker 5: And the other interesting thing about Paul David Keene was

590
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,879
Speaker 5: that he'd been dead for years at this point. So

591
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:47,639
Speaker 5: he's his dead friend's name. He loves that.

592
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 3: In no way does he have the wo He's very like,

593
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:56,920
Speaker 3: you know, Mesopotamian of like this is our lives are over.

594
00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 5: That's it nothing, there's no Yeah.

595
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 2: It's a mess of it. I love that.

596
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:06,920
Speaker 5: So we got Buckingham divorce, living in Switzerland, starting all

597
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 5: manner of fake companies.

598
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,880
Speaker 3: Why not go for broken, not like gild Lily. Why

599
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:13,160
Speaker 3: not take it to the next level?

600
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 2: What is the next level?

601
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 5: I love that question because I was going to ask

602
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 5: the same thing. Bestowing upon himself the title of lord.

603
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 5: He started calling himself Lord Buckingham.

604
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 2: Of obe status.

605
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:24,479
Speaker 4: Huh.

606
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 5: According to Lost magazine, he said quote he had acquired

607
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 5: it through purchase of what he described as several small

608
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 5: manorial properties scattered across England. At first it was a

609
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,160
Speaker 5: bit of a joke, he explained. I thought it would

610
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,160
Speaker 5: be a whot to start calling myself Lord Buckingham.

611
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,359
Speaker 3: But what I noticed was using the title you respect

612
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,640
Speaker 3: and the consideration that should be due.

613
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 2: Lord Buckingham also sounds like some like dirty landed property

614
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 2: owner who like party. But Ben Franklin in the Hell

615
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 2: Fire Club.

616
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 3: You know right, it's spot on.

617
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, here's the thing, and it's tied to the culture

618
00:27:56,640 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 5: he loves so much. There was then, perhaps maybe not

619
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 5: so much now, but still to a degree, a certain

620
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:08,640
Speaker 5: deference given to those with titles in England.

621
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:09,400
Speaker 3: Yeah.

622
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 5: Well, there's this detective book series, the Inspector Linley novels,

623
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 5: and they made him into a TV series that has

624
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 5: since been rebooted. I haven't watched any of the Shower,

625
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 5: but I started getting into the books a little while

626
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:23,920
Speaker 5: back because I ran out of Michael Connolly.

627
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:24,120
Speaker 3: Books to read.

628
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 5: Anyway, the first few were good, but I had to

629
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,400
Speaker 5: stop because I felt like the female characters are basically

630
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 5: like tortured in one way or another throughout their plot lives.

631
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 5: It just was it felt like a little anti woman.

632
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 5: It was a woman writer, but you know whatever, it

633
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 5: was not a pleasant and it became a little too

634
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 5: bleak for me, which is hard to imagine.

635
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 3: But yeah, anyway, I wasn't feeling it.

636
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 5: I've read Val mcdermodd is like, that's bleak Scottish mystery,

637
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 5: right anyway, so your mileage mayverery and I may be

638
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 5: off base anyway. Tomato tomato to each their own, come

639
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 5: se comsa, how do you do? The Inspector Linley in

640
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 5: the story is the eighth Earl of Asherton. He doesn't

641
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 5: need to work.

642
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 3: He just loves justice.

643
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 5: He toodles around in like a classic sports car, and

644
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 5: he wears bespoke suits, and his partner is like a

645
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 5: tough talking east Ender lady and whatever and Yin and

646
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 5: yang house to.

647
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 2: The National Trust.

648
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 5: He's like people, they don't have to they're not they're

649
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 5: not suffering like that they have the palatial Oh wow.

650
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 3: So in the books, when.

651
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 5: People dismiss Linley thinking he's just some cop and can't

652
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 5: tell him what to do, like sometimes he has to

653
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 5: bust out who he really is, meaning his title and

654
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 5: then they like peel over themselves and cowtown do whatever

655
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 5: he wants. And I have issue with that mainly because

656
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 5: I feel like his accent would give that away immediately.

657
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 2: You would think he's putting on a fake as.

658
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 3: I also felt like he didn't do it enough.

659
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 5: He didn't smack him down, like some of these fools

660
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 5: need to be taken down a notch, like do.

661
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 3: You know who I am?

662
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 2: Archy?

663
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, And the reason I mentioned is that there's deference

664
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 5: paid to the landed gentry, so titles.

665
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 3: Get respect and like a lot of latitude, the.

666
00:29:57,920 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 2: Whole thing about there are better there are.

667
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 3: You can have weird behaviors, English eccentric.

668
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you can lick a dog's face.

669
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 5: You know they could, They would and they should. So

670
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 5: it may have been like a hoot for Buckingham to

671
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 5: call himself lord. But if you want to get away

672
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 5: with like crimes or bad behavior, title game is a

673
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 5: way to go.

674
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 2: Yeah for real, you know. Now I'm thinking about it,

675
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 2: I'm like, how do I get a time?

676
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 5: But also it got me wondering about Buckingham's accent. So

677
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 5: it was an Orlando homebrew accent exactly like cobbled together

678
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 5: from Monty Python and Paul McCartney and like god knows.

679
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 2: Who else he's probably doing Graham Chapman.

680
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 5: I think he was the richest and oh yeah, so

681
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 5: like in the US and basically anywhere else in the world,

682
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 5: accents or regional, but they're also you know, class.

683
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 2: In England by a huge factory.

684
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 5: Well and in the South too, So I was very

685
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 5: inspired by England. True, So I'm curious to know what

686
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 5: accent he had and like how convincing it was. But

687
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 5: he must have like honed it to a good degree

688
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 5: as far as he did.

689
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 2: Anyway, maybe it's watching a lot of PBS.

690
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 3: Probably Mystery.

691
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 2: House.

692
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 3: So he started living.

693
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 5: Like Lord Buckingham and acting like he knew so he

694
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 5: got fine stationary with the Buckingham coat of arms. He

695
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 5: rented an apartment in Germany and he explained to the

696
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 5: owner that it wasn't for him. He was a lord,

697
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 5: he had lots of money and property and things. He

698
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:24,959
Speaker 5: was renting the apartment as a place to store some

699
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 5: of the furniture from his castle in England because like

700
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 5: I guess the furniture was studying abroad I don't know,

701
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 5: and needed an extent. Why would you put your furniture

702
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 5: in a German apartment.

703
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 2: Whatever, How would he say, it's for my guest, but

704
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 2: you know that's.

705
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's too simple either way.

706
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 5: He was living his life as this English lord, bouncing

707
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 5: between Switzerland and Germany. And in twenty and one he

708
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 5: got a job not as a Scotland yard detective, but

709
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 5: as an IT security consultant at an insurance company in Switzerland.

710
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:56,719
Speaker 5: And then the next year tragedy struck. He was on

711
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 5: a road trip back from Northampton. I guess he went

712
00:31:59,920 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 5: to see the kids. He was in France and he

713
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 5: got rear ended and the collision shoved his car forward

714
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 5: and he slammed into the brick wall of a toll booth.

715
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 2: Horrible.

716
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 5: So he got his skull crushed in the accident, and

717
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 5: he went into a coma. For months, he's in his

718
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 5: hospital in France, and then he was when he was

719
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 5: awake and stable and able to be moved, they took

720
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 5: him to a Swiss hospital and it was there that

721
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 5: he started dating his nurse, the Swiss woman, Anita Keller.

722
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 2: Like a lord.

723
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 3: Now oh yeah. He also he.

724
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 5: Pocketed like a good settlement as a result of the accident.

725
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 5: So he recovered and continued his life as Lord Buckingham,

726
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 5: now with a Swiss nurse on his arm, life going

727
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 5: along swimmingly. He got some like mild after effects from

728
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 5: the accident, but nothing that interfered with his day to

729
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 5: day life. He was Lord Buckingham and while the accident

730
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 5: was traumatic, it didn't stop him from driving back and

731
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 5: forth to England occasionally, you know, easy enough.

732
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 3: So he goes to What if.

733
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 2: He was like one of those guys, you know, people

734
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 2: have head wounds and then they get like the accent

735
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 2: from somewhere else. What if he got an American accent

736
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 2: back and he couldn't stop.

737
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 3: Telling me incredible. So he's in Calais, Yeah, so he

738
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 3: would like go to cala and France.

739
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 5: He puts his car on the ferry, pops over to Dover,

740
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 5: done that around the Motherland. Oh yeah, you've done it.

741
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 2: I did on the what do you called the hovercraft? Okay, yeah,

742
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 2: it's fun Hollercraft ferry.

743
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah. Well, and it was fun for him too,

744
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 5: tootling around. But that changed for him on the afternoon

745
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 5: of January fifteenth, two thousand and five. Zaren, let's take

746
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 5: a break, Okay, I want ads and I want him

747
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 5: now and when we come back, we'll talk about January fifteenth,

748
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 5: two thousand and five.

749
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 2: Zaren Elizabeth Elizabeth.

750
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 3: January fifteenth, two thousand Let's go there. Okay, let's close

751
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 3: your eyes.

752
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 2: Oh you did say that.

753
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 3: I want you get up. Picture it.

754
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:24,959
Speaker 5: It's a beautiful Saturday afternoon, January fifteenth, two thousand and five.

755
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:29,359
Speaker 5: You are Detective Constable David Sprigg, a police officer at

756
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 5: the Port of Dover in England. You are the eyes

757
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 5: and ears at this busy port. You're sitting at your

758
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,800
Speaker 5: desk listening to the latest hits on BBC one Radio,

759
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 5: Girls Aloud, Robbie Williams, Destiny's Child, Green Day, Gwen Stefani

760
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,879
Speaker 5: and one tune you particularly like these days. You can

761
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,840
Speaker 5: do it by ice Cube featuring Mac ten and his toy.

762
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 5: You often find yourself singing to yourself.

763
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 3: You can do it.

764
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,760
Speaker 5: Put your back into it. That's your twenty first century.

765
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 5: Keep calm and carry on, don't stop getting get it.

766
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 3: It's so inspiring. Suddenly there's a knock at your door

767
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 3: and reach over.

768
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:06,879
Speaker 5: And you switch off the radio and then you call out,

769
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 5: come in. Two members of the UK Special Branch enter

770
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 5: your office. Good blokes, they work here with you at

771
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 5: the border station. Elite forces them. The tall one tells

772
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 5: you that a passenger with a British passport checked in

773
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:22,320
Speaker 5: earlier that day at the port of Calais in France. Okay,

774
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 5: he was boarding the car ferry headed this way. His

775
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 5: information was plugged into the system and raised an alert.

776
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 5: Seems the information on the passport matched an entry in

777
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 5: the UK Register of Debts. Got a dead man coming

778
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 5: through the Man Christopher Buckingham apparently died in infancy in

779
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:41,360
Speaker 5: nineteen sixty three, four months shy of his first birthday.

780
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 5: His passport had been flagged a couple of years back

781
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 5: in a routine run of active passports against the records

782
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:48,760
Speaker 5: of births and deaths.

783
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 3: It should have been revoked.

784
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 5: Then, curious, you tell them you all know what this means,

785
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,319
Speaker 5: fake identity. The special branch fellows tell you that he

786
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 5: boarded the ferry and would be arriving in Dover momentarily.

787
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 3: Care to join us? They ask you.

788
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 5: Grab your jacket and head out to the inspection point

789
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 5: with the special branchers.

790
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 3: You pull two port policemen aside and put him run

791
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 3: down the car.

792
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 5: The man the story they know to pull him aside

793
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 5: as soon as he rolls off the boat, and that's

794
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 5: what happens. You all see an aggressively nondescript white guy

795
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 5: with brown hair cheerfully pull his car over to the

796
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 5: inspection area. You watch as an officer speaks with the man.

797
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 5: The man speaks and then nods, granting approval for the

798
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 5: officer on the passenger side of the car to open

799
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 5: the door and remove things from the front seat. He

800
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 5: does so and walks the materials over to you. There's

801
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 5: a Swiss driver's license, a ferry ticket in the name

802
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 5: of Air Buckingham, a photocopy of his British passport, and

803
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 5: a sheaf of blank letterhead emblazoned with a coat of

804
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:46,399
Speaker 5: arms above the phrase.

805
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 3: From the office of Lord Buckingham. The officer tells you

806
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 3: that the man says he's a member of the House

807
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 3: of Lords. Seemed a little surprised to be stopped, but

808
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 3: happy to help. The man said he hadn't attended a

809
00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 3: session of the House of Lords since moving to Switzer

810
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:03,320
Speaker 3: some years ago. You walk over to the computer positioned

811
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,720
Speaker 3: at a tall table beside you. You type away, searching

812
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 3: for Lord Buckingham in the list of members of the

813
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 3: House of Lords. Nothing.

814
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,839
Speaker 5: You open Google and tap tapped up. The tall guy

815
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:17,399
Speaker 5: from Special Branch asks you anything. You've got one hit

816
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:19,799
Speaker 5: on your search. You tell him that, well, what does

817
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 5: it say, he asked you, It's a pedigreed cat. Bring

818
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 5: him to my office, you tell the officers and head

819
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 5: back to the building. Don't stop, get it, get it,

820
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:35,320
Speaker 5: You think to yourself, you can do it. Okay there

821
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 5: when you or rather, Detective Constable Sprigg questioned Buckingham.

822
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:41,399
Speaker 3: He swore his passport wasn't a fake.

823
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:44,720
Speaker 5: Sprigg asked him all sorts of questions about his life

824
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,359
Speaker 5: is past, and Buckingham's answers.

825
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 3: Were a mess. He couldn't nail down where he went

826
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 3: to school, like you.

827
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 5: Forgot right, No, but then he threw out some names,

828
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 5: and but then you know, he couldn't remember like was

829
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,040
Speaker 5: he born at home or in a hospital.

830
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 2: He was young.

831
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 5: He said he got his title because he owned or

832
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:12,879
Speaker 5: inherited four manorial manorial titles. Yeah, but he couldn't name

833
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 5: them all his title and he was just vague about everything.

834
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,240
Speaker 5: He had a German passport, which he said was because

835
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 5: of his mom's ancestry. And then he said that the

836
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,839
Speaker 5: Swiss wanted to give him citizenship because of his quote

837
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 5: special skills in computer security. He told Sprigg that he

838
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 5: had just hadn't gotten around applying for it yet, you know,

839
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,439
Speaker 5: just like these little fun facts. And then he told

840
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 5: the story that he had given lots of people His

841
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 5: dad was a diplomat in Egypt. Parents died in a

842
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 5: plane crash in Egypt when he was a teen, like, sure, Jan.

843
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 3: Spriggs, like, you are full of it.

844
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 5: And upon investigation the story totally fell apart. So he

845
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 5: got charged with using false information to obtain a passport

846
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 5: and they he got out on bail on one condition.

847
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 5: He had to come back the next week for further questioning,

848
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 5: sure said, and then he left ye during that week

849
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 5: the investigation continued, So the Special Branch sent that Lord

850
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:12,839
Speaker 5: Buckingham letterhead over to the Royal College of Arms, which

851
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 5: is the official record keeper of all the British childry.

852
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 5: So they took a look at it, and they determined

853
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 5: that the title Lord Buckingham belonged to an extinct lineage,

854
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 5: and in fact it died out with the second Duke

855
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 5: of Buckingham in sixteen eighty seven.

856
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:28,839
Speaker 3: Long lost son.

857
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:33,359
Speaker 5: So sprigu he went about trying to track down all

858
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 5: of the school records at least and come to find

859
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 5: out that the school that he said he went to

860
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 5: didn't exist. And then he reached out to the Home Office.

861
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 5: Was Buckingham's dad a diplomat? Did he die in a

862
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:47,840
Speaker 5: plane crash? And they're like, well, the dad didn't exist

863
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 5: and neither did the plane crash. So everything's bogus. And

864
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 5: now this guy is cut loose and he's out there

865
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 5: doing you know, who knows what's Lord Buckingham knows what,

866
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 5: but it was he wasn't Lord Buckingham.

867
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 3: There is no Lord Buckingham. So who is this character?

868
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 5: And would he come back like he promised to or

869
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 5: he figured out a way to weasel out of the

870
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 5: country and onto the continent. Surprise, Buckingham actually came back

871
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:14,720
Speaker 5: the next week.

872
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 2: Really yeah, did he think he was gonna be able

873
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:17,800
Speaker 2: to smooz infinatly?

874
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 5: I think he felt like, you know, I can keep

875
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:22,800
Speaker 5: up this ruse. Sprigg laid everything out, all the lies,

876
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 5: all the missing information. Buckingham's only response, no comment, and

877
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,280
Speaker 5: with that he's arrested again. But then he's out on bail.

878
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 3: The next day.

879
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 5: Once again, he went to court in October of two

880
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 5: thousand and five, and they charged him with that lying

881
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 5: to obtain a passport. He asked the judge if he

882
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:41,879
Speaker 5: could be allowed to go to Switzerland because that's where

883
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,760
Speaker 5: he had a safety deposit box, and in the box

884
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 5: was all the proof anyone would ever need to understand

885
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 5: and believe that he was one hundred percent Christopher Edward Buckingham.

886
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 2: Are you gonna trust the internet or your lying eye?

887
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:57,919
Speaker 5: Well, the court just couldn't send someone to retrieve it, because,

888
00:40:57,960 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 5: you know, Buckingham like high tech guy.

889
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 3: Right, high tech high high tech.

890
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:04,359
Speaker 5: Scooter computer got to get into the box, you scan

891
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 5: your thumb print.

892
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 3: No, right had to be him. And the judge was like, hm,

893
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 3: that's interesting. No, you cannot go.

894
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 2: I didn't see that.

895
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 5: And so Buckingham's like, all right, fine, I'm guilty. Like

896
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:20,280
Speaker 5: the judge called his bluff, Buckingham pleads guilty, which cracks

897
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 5: me up.

898
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 3: Like.

899
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 5: Fine, you know, I give up. He's supposed to be

900
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 5: sentenced in the next month. He's facing two years in

901
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,319
Speaker 5: the clink, but after that he'd be free and could

902
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 5: still call himself Christopher Buckingham. They the idea, yeah, which

903
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 5: seems absolutely.

904
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 3: Nuts to me.

905
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 2: That does seem nuts to me too.

906
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 3: Yeah.

907
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 5: Whatever, So Sprig, he's about to retire. And instead of

908
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 5: saying like I'm too old for this.

909
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 2: Ish that's like keeping the proceeds of your criminal or

910
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 2: your crime, you know what I mean, Like you don't

911
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 2: get to keep the proceeds crime. He's like, oh, yeah,

912
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 2: I got to keep my life.

913
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 3: He to be this little boy.

914
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, Sprig's about to retire.

915
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 3: You know what he does, He puts his back into it.

916
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 5: Oh, he wanted one last score in the anti crime way.

917
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:01,840
Speaker 5: And he knew in his bones that Buckingham was hiding

918
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 5: something big and he had a limited amount of time

919
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 5: to uncover it. So we got to work. So the

920
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 5: cops released Buckingham's mugshot to the press and social media,

921
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 5: and they asked the public for help in identifying this man.

922
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 5: Tons of people called in, they wrote, and they were

923
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 5: all dead ends or just garbage, and they're like, yeah,

924
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 5: it's you know Jason Bourne.

925
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 2: Like I was having an affair with him from nineteen

926
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 2: forty eight to nineteen fifty two.

927
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 3: He is the head of the Burger King cartel.

928
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 5: I've said too much, Like, so I'm telling you too,

929
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 5: Buckingham is so nondescript, like he's like a sample identic

930
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 5: kit drawing, like he's you. Yeah, so it looks like

931
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:43,799
Speaker 5: anybody The Mail on Sunday, The Daily Mail Sunday edition

932
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 5: sent reporters to Buckingham's neighborhood, and one of them convinced

933
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 5: a neighbor who had an emergency key for Buckingham's place

934
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 5: to hand it over so they could poke around. Remember

935
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 5: this is the era of like hacking voicemails.

936
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, care like Pierce Morgan's going to.

937
00:42:58,440 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 3: Hack you, right, right?

938
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 5: So anyway, they found a quote, a brass bed, a television,

939
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,760
Speaker 5: and a wooden table. There was a box of unused

940
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:09,720
Speaker 5: fireworks in the kitchen, along with two chemical containers contents unknown.

941
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 5: Resting on the television was a pistol, a non firing

942
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 5: replica of the Walter P ninety nine made famous by

943
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 5: James Bond.

944
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 3: H The Burger King planted the fireworks.

945
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 2: So I guess once you're like hacking royalty, Like what

946
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 2: do they care about going into a lord's house?

947
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, no, exactly, good call. And it was a

948
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:30,840
Speaker 5: mess up in there. And I don't mean just like untidy.

949
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 5: I mean he owned the place, but it was in foreclosure.

950
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 5: So he started just trashing it, like breaking things really,

951
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 5: which is such a weird thing that people do, Like

952
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 5: I've never got Yeah, yeah, I found a friend of

953
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,240
Speaker 5: mine bought a house in foreclosure and they like ripped

954
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:48,320
Speaker 5: out the toilets, like pulled sinks from the wall.

955
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 2: You know, when I used to I used to be

956
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 2: a house panter for a very long time. We usipate

957
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:54,840
Speaker 2: industrial stuff. So I once painted in La this church

958
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 2: that was in the valley right, but it was like

959
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 2: the kind of church that they also have like an

960
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 2: attached like school area and a multipurpose room and a

961
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 2: bunch of other stuff that isn't the church. And as

962
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 2: we were painting, they're paying us to paint it, they're

963
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 2: over there taking the light fixtures out, the door handles

964
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 2: off the doors, anything that they could harvest from this

965
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 2: place that they were renting, they took. They took everything.

966
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:20,320
Speaker 2: We couldn't believe. We're just standing there like we actually

967
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 2: ended up calling the landlord because we're like this, this

968
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 2: is not right. We're witnesses to a crime. They're gonna

969
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:28,440
Speaker 2: they're gonna say something like, why didn't you call anyone.

970
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 2: We're like, we didn't think of it. I mean they

971
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 2: were out there. They were taking the baseboard off the walls.

972
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 3: You're kidding, just.

973
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 2: Popping it off, like we can put this somewhere else.

974
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,840
Speaker 2: It was nuts to see. Yeah, and it was the

975
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 2: bass player from corn Wait. It was his church, not

976
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:43,840
Speaker 2: like he didn't own it, but he was a member.

977
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:45,800
Speaker 2: So there's all these pictures of him like all around

978
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 2: like big, like you know, cardboard cutouts. Yeah. So he

979
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 2: was there and the church exactly like you could like

980
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 2: pose next to him in the church. Yeah. They had

981
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 2: like they had like movies on YouTube. They were like

982
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,240
Speaker 2: cartoons for kids and stuf. They were like a hustle.

983
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 3: It was a big thing. Okay, wow, I'm still trying

984
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 3: to process this.

985
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 2: The part for me was the popping the baseboard off,

986
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 2: I mean the light bulbs and that was one thing,

987
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:12,799
Speaker 2: and the fixtures was another thing. The door handles was wild,

988
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 2: but the baseboard is okay, you did not put that

989
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 2: out exactly.

990
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 5: So Buckingham, this world, Buckingham sentencing is approaching and there's

991
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 5: no leads. And on November eighth, two thousand and five,

992
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 5: he got sentenced to twenty one months in prison. And

993
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 5: he was also at this point still refusing to divulge

994
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 5: his true identity, and a few months later he won

995
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:37,760
Speaker 5: an appeal and his prison sentence was brought.

996
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 3: Down to time served.

997
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:39,280
Speaker 2: Wow.

998
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 5: I don't know out he went, but where he was stateless,

999
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 5: no real identity, and so he was remanded into the

1000
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 5: custody of UK immigration authorities. They thought better of this whole. Yeah,

1001
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 5: you can still be Christopher.

1002
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 2: I don't know how you're allow that. No, So I

1003
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:55,839
Speaker 2: mean I'm rooting for the guy.

1004
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 5: But still a few months later, though, there was a break.

1005
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 5: Lindsey bucking was at the center of this. And I'm

1006
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 5: not talking about the Fleetwood macuitarist.

1007
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 3: I'm talking about his daughter.

1008
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,879
Speaker 5: She got an email from a guy named Kevin Stopford.

1009
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 5: According to Lost magazine quote, the subject line read your

1010
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 5: father I know him. Attached was a full color family

1011
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:20,919
Speaker 5: photograph showing a younger version of her father, blonde and tan,

1012
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 5: surrounded by brothers and sisters. Kevin Stopford also emailed officers

1013
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 5: at the Frontier Crime Unit, insisting that he knew Buckingham's

1014
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,879
Speaker 5: real name. The person who claims to be Christopher Edward

1015
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 5: Buckingham is known to me as Charles Albert Stopford. His

1016
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 5: current alias has been known to my mother for many

1017
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:41,799
Speaker 5: years and more recently to my brothers and sisters. So

1018
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 5: she didn't tell anyone about the phone call. The mom

1019
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 5: yeah it's her baby.

1020
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1021
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 5: So, according to NBC News quote, over the years, family

1022
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 5: members in Florida had searched for their brother using his name,

1023
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 5: but recently one did an Internet search using the name

1024
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 5: Buckingham and spotted a story in the London Times about

1025
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 5: a jailed man in England calling himself Lord Buckingham. They

1026
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:05,800
Speaker 5: got in touch with British authorities, so you can imagine

1027
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 5: they're just like, what has ever happened to him?

1028
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 2: Like let me.

1029
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 4: Well.

1030
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:12,880
Speaker 5: The moms like, well, okay, a little something funny, like

1031
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:16,839
Speaker 5: I don't know, twenty something years ago, got a call.

1032
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 2: I should have told you guys this, but yeah.

1033
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 5: So Lindsay told Cosmo that she was shocked that to

1034
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 5: hear that her dad was American, because he was always

1035
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 5: just like ripping on Americans and calling him quote stupid, brash,

1036
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 5: loud idiots.

1037
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 3: That's why he left, I guess.

1038
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 5: His philandering father told the Guardian newspaper quote, Charles always

1039
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:40,879
Speaker 5: had an obsession with the English, maybe because he knew

1040
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 5: that my ancestry is English.

1041
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's all about you, dude. Sure, the Brits they

1042
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 3: sent Buckingham's fingerprints to the US, and of course there

1043
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 3: was a hit.

1044
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:54,879
Speaker 5: He's confirmed as Charles Stopford. And now they just had

1045
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 5: to deport him, and so he's Florida's problem. Again, this

1046
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 5: wasn't an immediate process. And so while waiting for that deportation,

1047
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 5: a bunch of his brothers and sisters headed over.

1048
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 3: The Pond to visit him in jail.

1049
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:07,320
Speaker 2: Wow.

1050
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, And so I mean, imagine you don't know where

1051
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 5: your brother's been all these years, and you just have

1052
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 5: these like vague stories from the mom but then everything

1053
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 5: cuts off, you know, in eighty six.

1054
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 2: And I guess they probably still loved him in that

1055
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 2: way that they wanted to sure, And also it's just

1056
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 2: fun to go to.

1057
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:25,880
Speaker 3: England and why not. So Jody, the ex wife, she

1058
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:28,319
Speaker 3: got wind of this and called Buckingham to give him

1059
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 3: a heads up and he freaked.

1060
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 2: Out that thought.

1061
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1062
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 5: He told her that he had amnesia since the car

1063
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 5: accident in France and had no memories of his life

1064
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:40,919
Speaker 5: before becoming Buckingham. And not just that, he also said

1065
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 5: he only kind of remembered being married to her and

1066
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:46,280
Speaker 5: he had no idea who his kids were. So Jody

1067
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 5: pointed out, like, you know what, We've spoken to each

1068
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 5: other and seen each other kids included since the accident.

1069
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:53,319
Speaker 3: And there was no amnesia then.

1070
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:57,760
Speaker 5: And I don't know why she bothers like this guy lies,

1071
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 5: like he totally two one thousand and six, they put

1072
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:03,359
Speaker 5: him on a flight to Orlando, him and a bunch

1073
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 5: of Disney heads, and according to the Orlando Sentral newspaper quote,

1074
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:11,760
Speaker 5: upon his return, he hid an Orlando International Airports terminal,

1075
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:14,840
Speaker 5: telling long estranged family members through a cell phone that

1076
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 5: he wouldn't greet them until members of the media left.

1077
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:22,279
Speaker 5: Stopford's family left the airport without a reunion. So back

1078
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 5: on American soil. He did not want to be Charles Stopford.

1079
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:29,319
Speaker 5: He wanted to be Christopher Buckings. He made people call

1080
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:32,320
Speaker 5: him Christopher. He's like, that's my name, and he still

1081
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 5: used the English accent, which, to be fair, he did

1082
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 5: live there for decades, and so we probably couldn't shake

1083
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 5: it even if he wanted to.

1084
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 2: And he's been faking it for so long. He's been

1085
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 2: made it.

1086
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, And so a reporter asked him why he did it, Like,

1087
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:46,360
Speaker 5: why did you invent this new identity, and he's like,

1088
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 5: you know what, I have amnesia from an accident and

1089
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 5: I can't remember. He's loving that. It was just like

1090
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:57,880
Speaker 5: just a lob to him. You can use this forever.

1091
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:00,759
Speaker 5: So he got banned from travel to both the UK

1092
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:04,760
Speaker 5: and Switzerland. WHOA, and once in the States, he acted

1093
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 5: like his UK family didn't exist, cut all contact. He

1094
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:11,240
Speaker 5: did keep in touch with that Swiss nurse, Anita Keller

1095
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 5: Dad and then when asked about how Anita was handling

1096
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 5: all this, Buckingham told Lost Magazine quote, she really didn't

1097
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 5: pass any judgment. She was confused and a little upset,

1098
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 5: but in the end she said she didn't care. She

1099
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 5: always knew me as Christopher anyway, so there was no

1100
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 5: change for her.

1101
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:30,840
Speaker 3: She just thinks it's.

1102
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 5: Good that I'm seeing my family finally and wants me

1103
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 5: to get back to Switzerland as soon as possible.

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Speaker 2: Sir, I'd like to hear her side of the story.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: By fall of two thousand and seven, he managed to

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Speaker 5: do just that. Like, despite the ban, he made his

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Speaker 5: way to Zurich. Who knows, Lost Magazine laid it all

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00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:52,799
Speaker 5: out quote he had legally obtained a US passport in

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Speaker 5: his adopted identity, but lied about his birthday on the application,

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Speaker 5: writing in that of the real Christopher Buckingham rather than

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Speaker 5: than his own. From there, he had simply boarded a

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Speaker 5: plane and flown to Zurich. The Swiss raised no fuss

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Speaker 5: at his return. He told them he'd been traveling abroad.

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Speaker 5: They took him at his word, and just like that,

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Speaker 5: he was back Swiss. Yeah, so for real. He moved

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Speaker 5: in with Anita in the same place they'd lived before,

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Speaker 5: got his old job back as the computer security consultant,

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Speaker 5: went back to calling himself Lord Buckingham.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely nothing had changed, and.

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Speaker 5: I'll leave you with these bits from the Lost Magazine

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Speaker 5: interview quote. Over the years, he had successfully passed himself

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Speaker 5: off as a British aristocrat, Russian royalty and a German businessman,

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Speaker 5: a retired Cold War spy, and even a dead man. However,

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Speaker 5: when asked why he didn't use any of these after

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Speaker 5: his arrest, he said, in the end, I'm not criminally

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Speaker 5: minded for the intent of criminality, and I mean you

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Speaker 5: have to face the music someday if the hunters ever

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Speaker 5: got too close. Buckingham assured me he was prepared to

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Speaker 5: disappear again. He was certain he would leave no traces.

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Speaker 5: I have vanished many times. He told me, no one's

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Speaker 5: sure where he is today or what he's up to,

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Speaker 5: but I'm sure it's ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: I'm met, Saron. What's your ridiculous takeaway?

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Speaker 2: This is one of the rare ones where the guy

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Speaker 2: does a lot. He basically doesn't fake his death, but

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Speaker 2: he just you know, assumes a new identity. And I

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Speaker 2: kept thinking when you got to the LLC part that

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Speaker 2: he was going to go for broken criminality and like

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Speaker 2: a massive fortune of millions ill gotten gained, maybe rip

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00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:29,360
Speaker 2: off a charity or two, and it's like, nope, I

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00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 2: just want to be a lord. Yeah. I mean, he's

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00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:33,839
Speaker 2: just like playing dress up, but at the criminal level

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00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 2: of dress up. This is make believe to the level

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00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:38,320
Speaker 2: of you can go to prison for make belief.

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Speaker 3: Sir, right, right, it's wild.

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Speaker 2: So what's yours of Elizabeth?

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00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:41,760
Speaker 3: Again?

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Speaker 5: I don't that The whole psychology of this is just

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00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:48,239
Speaker 5: boggles my mind. You know, you can change your name

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Speaker 5: legally and then you can just go around calling yourself

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00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:54,840
Speaker 5: this thing, and you know, but on your official records

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00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 5: do I don't know. There are other ways to do

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00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 5: this where you're not lying and.

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Speaker 2: Realized I almost changed my name because my father and

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00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 2: I have the same nameh were both writers that to

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00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 2: make things easy on the internet. I was going to

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00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 2: change my name and I told him that. He's like no,

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00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 2: I was like, really, okay, then I guess I'm not going.

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00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:11,240
Speaker 3: To change my namesake.

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00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:13,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, He's like, I named you that for a reason,

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00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:19,239
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh, I did your work out

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00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 2: of respect, I kept the name.

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Speaker 3: You know what I think would top this off? Well,

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Speaker 3: talk back?

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Speaker 2: Oh those are always fun. Oh, oh my god.

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Speaker 3: I went get.

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Speaker 4: Hey, Saron and Elizabeth, I love, love, love your show.

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Speaker 4: But one thing I just have to say, because it's

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00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 4: frustrating me, is I don't know how you put up

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00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 4: with it, Elizabeth. Every time you try to say anything,

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00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:55,400
Speaker 4: Saron's talking over you, and it gets frustrating for the listener.

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Speaker 4: So no offense. Still love you, Take.

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Speaker 2: Care I spoke too soon. They're not always that's good

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00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:04,719
Speaker 2: construct but honestly it did.

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Speaker 5: Like, so this is a conversation, Like it's a conversation

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Speaker 5: like when I'm telling a story, I have bullet point

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00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:13,400
Speaker 5: notes that I hit and maybe like the quotes are

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00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:16,440
Speaker 5: written out, but the rest of it is just us talking.

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Speaker 2: We know each other really well, so it's yeah, I.

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Speaker 5: Mean I can understand, like if it's difficult to listen to,

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00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:22,880
Speaker 5: it's not difficult for me.

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Speaker 3: But you know, well, I'm.

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Speaker 2: Glad you say that, and I do. By the way,

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Speaker 2: I apologize for that tendency. I come from a family

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Speaker 2: where people talk over each other and Elizabeth does not,

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00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 2: and so she's gotten used to me doing it and

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00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:37,919
Speaker 2: doesn't necessarily take offense to it because it's not meant

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Speaker 2: other than just excitement, Like I can expect her to

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Speaker 2: keep talking even though I'm talking. I'm sure as a

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00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 2: listener that can be frustrating. So I apologize to listeners

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00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:46,719
Speaker 2: who that frustrates, and I am working on it. I

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00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:49,719
Speaker 2: constantly tell myself not to do it, but I get

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00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:51,680
Speaker 2: very excited talking to Elizabeth's why we have so much

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00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:54,319
Speaker 2: fun doing the show, and part of my excitement is

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00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:56,720
Speaker 2: to start talking or to finish the thought she's having

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Speaker 2: with like the word of like I think I did

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Speaker 2: it today with Heraldry, like oh yeah, Harold, because I

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Speaker 2: was so excited. I'm like a kid, I'm like a puppy,

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Speaker 2: and I can't help myself, so I.

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Speaker 5: Do is appealing in that and that's why I think

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Speaker 5: it doesn't bother me. But also you made a good point,

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Speaker 5: is that there are families that talk over each other

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00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 5: and families that don't. Yes, and your family is definitely

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00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 5: a cross talk and like loud back and forth family.

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Speaker 5: And I come from very mellow.

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Speaker 2: You guys can speaking like I'm used to listening. If

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Speaker 2: I don't have at least three people talking at once

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00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:30,280
Speaker 2: in a family function, it's like something is somewhat upset,

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00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:33,400
Speaker 2: like they and I'm really good at tracking three different

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Speaker 2: conversations at the same time, which makes a lot of

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Speaker 2: people really nervous, but it actually makes me feel calm.

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Speaker 5: I have sometimes think it's like Also like your family

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Speaker 5: is from.

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Speaker 3: The East Coast, Yes, it's very much an easy in

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Speaker 3: the coast.

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Speaker 5: West Coast is where these like long time yeah, Blifornia

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Speaker 5: open spaces.

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Speaker 2: You don't need to shout. Also, you you come in

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Speaker 2: sometimes the office before we do the show, and I

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Speaker 2: will be listening to a radio show on my phone,

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Speaker 2: i will be watching something about fantasy football on my computer,

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Speaker 2: and I'll be talking like to somebody. I can have

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Speaker 2: lots of conversations, so to me, they're just layers as

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00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:08,960
Speaker 2: opposed to like, there's one.

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Speaker 3: Thing happening and I got to do the one thing.

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Speaker 2: I can't I respect that.

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Speaker 5: Or it's like when I'm driving and it gets crazy,

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Speaker 5: I got to turn the radio off.

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00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:17,839
Speaker 2: You're like, I'm going to park turn the radio off.

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Speaker 2: I know I've seen it, but again, I'm sorry, listeners.

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Speaker 2: I am working on it though.

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Speaker 5: But I do like the fact that we've got like

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Speaker 5: good constructive criticism, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, I feel like that.

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Speaker 3: Not ripping in on us, but at the same time

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00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:32,920
Speaker 3: pointing out what what they like or don't like. I mean,

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00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:35,439
Speaker 3: let's not start that as a trend of everyone telling

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00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:37,840
Speaker 3: us what's because then we're all going to get the

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00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:39,920
Speaker 3: talk backs of Elizabeth doesn't know how to say words.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think I'm better because I know I'm already messing.

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Speaker 3: I'm a delicate flower. That's it for today.

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Speaker 5: You can find us online at ridiculous Crime dot com.

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Speaker 5: We're also at Ridiculous Crime on blue Sky and Instagram,

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00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:57,799
Speaker 5: and we're on YouTube at Ridiculous Crime Pod. You can

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Speaker 5: email us at ridiculous Crime at gmail dot com, and

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00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 5: as always, leave a talkback on the free iHeart app.

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Speaker 5: Reach Out Ridiculous Crime is hosted by Elizabeth Dutton and

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00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:15,160
Speaker 5: Zaren Burnett, produced and edited by Lord Dave Cousten. The

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Speaker 5: ninth Earl of Ice Cubington, starring Annalise Rutger as Judith.

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00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 5: Research is by Dame Marisa Brown and Count Jabari Davis.

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00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 5: The theme song is by Orlando Area Methodist Minister Thomas

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00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:30,920
Speaker 5: Lee and Orlando Area Burger King Day manager Travis Dutton.

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Speaker 5: Host wardrobe is provided by Botany five hundred guests Hare

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Speaker 5: and makeup by Sparkleshot and Mister Andre. Executive producers are

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Speaker 5: Swiss LLC Freelance Executive Officer Ben Bollen and bavarian Ski

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Speaker 5: instructor Noel Browns.

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Speaker 3: Quime Say It One More Times.

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