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My guest today is a perfect 34 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: guest and discussing that Matter's name is Ben Jealous, Business 35 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 1: in New York Times bestselling author, scholar, journalists, civil rights leader, 36 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 1: and philanthropists. Currently serve as President of the CEO or 37 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: People for the American Way and Professor of the Practice 38 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 1: University of pennsil He was formerly when I met him, 39 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 1: president of the CEO of the NAACP, the youngest one 40 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 1: at the time and great leader. Man. I always find 41 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 1: great time and great conversations when I was managing Steve 42 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 1: Harvey at the time director of the Human Rights Program 43 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: at amerstad to National USA and executive director of the 44 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:19,799 Speaker 1: National Newspaper Publishers Association. He's on the show to discuss 45 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 1: this new book, never to forget our people are always free. Wow, 46 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 1: people should always remember that. Please work with the money 47 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 1: making conversations, masterclass, being jealous. How are you doing, sir. 48 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 1: It's always good to see you, sir. Great to be 49 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:35,960 Speaker 1: great to be with. Hey, Ben, you know when I 50 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 1: read that title, you know, you look at how society 51 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 1: or you look how people are pushing back on trying 52 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 1: to understand our history and saying, hey, you know, you 53 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 1: know our children maybe feel uncomfortable learning about America and 54 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 1: how it was really built. And then but information that 55 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:56,800 Speaker 1: it was so much information I took from your book, 56 00:02:56,960 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna just say this in a very comical way, 57 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 1: because there were so many lanes of ethnicity or they white, 58 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: they have white, they black, they black white. This is 59 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 1: not a book. Ladies and gentlemen, did you skim through 60 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 1: because you might not know if you skim past this 61 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 1: person was white, this person was black. So you really 62 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:19,359 Speaker 1: really really taught me a lesson on this book. Been 63 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 1: I better read every page very very carefully. I know 64 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 1: that wouldn't a trick moved, but that was a detail 65 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 1: of how you would putting in perspective racial understanding of 66 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 1: this country and how the racists have intermingled over the years. Correct, yes, 67 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 1: so you know I was not just trying to decode 68 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 1: some of My grandma would always say, when is that 69 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 1: happened to be? The title? The books say, never forget 70 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 1: our people were always free? And well three of her 71 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 1: four grandparents were born into slavery, and the fourth one, 72 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 1: my grandma's sister, would tell you had raped one of 73 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 1: my grandmother's grandmother. So my question to her was like, 74 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 1: well who was free though rapist? Like this doesn't make 75 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 1: any sense, right, right, right, right. But the funny thing, 76 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 1: you know, our elders can say things and we hear 77 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 1: them say it, and we sort of we internalized the 78 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 1: sound and we internalized the way it feels, and then 79 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 1: we say it without critically thinking about the meeting of 80 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 1: the words, and my grandmother's grandmother said that her mother 81 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:22,159 Speaker 1: said that, as far as we can tell, the grandmother's 82 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 1: Before that, I saw my sister start to repeat it, 83 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 1: and as a civil rights guy, I was just like, 84 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:31,840 Speaker 1: this doesn't make any sense, Like what do you mean. 85 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 1: Henry Lewis Gates Junior helped me trace my grandmother's maternal 86 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:40,839 Speaker 1: line where the saying echoing down right, and then we 87 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 1: found the place where it made sense the very beginning. 88 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:47,719 Speaker 1: The first woman to come and my grandmother's maternal line 89 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 1: to America. The matriarch of our maternal line was an 90 00:04:52,040 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 1: Afro Polynesian pirate from Madagascar. Only seventeen slave ships come 91 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:03,600 Speaker 1: to what is now the United States from Madagascar. Nine 92 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 1: of them land in Virginia, eight land in New York. 93 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:09,280 Speaker 1: All but one of them was piloted by a known 94 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 1: European pirate. These were not traditional slave ships. These were 95 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:17,479 Speaker 1: ships from a pirate war, and when the European pirates 96 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 1: would win a battle, they would occasionally enslave the able 97 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 1: bodied people in the village and ship them to America 98 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 1: to be sold. And well, if the women kept repeating this, 99 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:28,920 Speaker 1: you go all the way back to the first one 100 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 1: in the United States. What else would a pirate woman 101 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 1: say to her children and grandchildren born into slavery, but 102 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 1: never forget our people who are always free, And and 103 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 1: how would she say it? She would say it as 104 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 1: a call to insurrection. A people who knew that their 105 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 1: people had been free are people who would then decide 106 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 1: that freedom must be their destiny and that they would 107 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:53,839 Speaker 1: fight for it. And so this was a battle cry 108 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:56,919 Speaker 1: is handed down through the generations. In my family, we 109 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:01,039 Speaker 1: know battle cry, you know. I come from Inner City, 110 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 1: six usters, two brothers, both my parents when was a 111 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 1: truck driver, thirty grade education. Mom graduated from high school, 112 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:09,600 Speaker 1: had an option to go to college, but she had 113 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 1: nine kids and so I raised me as best as 114 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:14,600 Speaker 1: you can. I think she did a good job, all 115 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 1: of us. And we look at when we look at 116 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:20,920 Speaker 1: the perspective of how African America are people a couple 117 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 1: have perceived in this country. What is your take on 118 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:28,159 Speaker 1: that by the by the media, Yes, you know, it's 119 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 1: it hurts everybody. You know, we were prior to the 120 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:39,360 Speaker 1: Civil Rights movement, images of the poor in America were 121 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 1: of white people. After the Civil Rights movement, one of 122 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 1: the ironic things that changed was virtually all of the 123 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 1: images in the media poor people are back black and 124 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: brown people. It hurts black and brown people because you know, 125 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 1: we we walk into a room and people assume that 126 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:57,920 Speaker 1: we're an extension of the headline or the photograph they 127 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 1: just saw the newspaper. Right. It also hurts a lot 128 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 1: of poor what people because when the images shift shifted, 129 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 1: so did public support for anything public, public housing, public education, 130 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 1: public health. All of a sudden, the imagination is that 131 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 1: just helps black and brown people. And if most of 132 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 1: you know, the biggest group of citizens are white, they're like, well, 133 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 1: why should we support that? That's not about us? And 134 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 1: yet the biggest group of poor has always been one 135 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:26,680 Speaker 1: absolutely and you know, so the racism makes the poverty 136 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 1: in our community hyper visible, and it makes the probably 137 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 1: in the white community invisible, and both groups suffer. That 138 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 1: is absolutely truth. I always say that, you know, you know, 139 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 1: you you popularize in the stereotype, but you heard in 140 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 1: the real problem. And that's what you're just stating right there. Well, 141 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 1: put and I'd give you an example of that. You know, 142 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 1: I'm from Baltimore. My mom grew up in the housing 143 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 1: projects there, and a lot of my cousins lived not 144 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 1: too far there from and in Baltimore. For like eighty years, 145 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 1: the only discussion of opiate addiction was about rowin and heroin. 146 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 1: Addicts were stereotyped as black, and the attitude was lock 147 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 1: them up right, And then sheriffs and the mid South, 148 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 1: the Midwest and other places in the in the early 149 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 1: two thousands got increasingly uncomfortable with the fact that they 150 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 1: kept catching bodies, you know, they kept picking up corpses 151 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: of people overdosing on opiates, and nobody was talking about 152 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 1: increasing rehab. Nobody was talking about dealing with the addiction epidemic. 153 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 1: And so they started publishing the faces of the corpses 154 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 1: the people who were dying in their community. Well, the 155 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 1: majority were white. And suddenly the public policy conversation shifted. 156 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:41,320 Speaker 1: And my book Never Forget We're Always Free, Never forgot 157 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:43,080 Speaker 1: our people were always free. I go, you know, I 158 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 1: talked about this. Suddenly the policy debate went from like 159 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 1: eighty years of nonsense trying to treat addicts like criminals 160 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 1: to those common sense was given more rehab, we have 161 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: to deal with this as a health crisis again, because 162 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 1: the full face of the problem was visible. I was 163 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 1: speaking Ben Jealous's book Never Forget how people were always free? 164 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 1: Before I go back into the book, you know when 165 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 1: I met you and you remember we're always setting up 166 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 1: interviewers on the Steve Harvor Morning Show. In regards to 167 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:14,080 Speaker 1: interview and you getting the word out, the NCP voting 168 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 1: and everything, Yep, absolutely, Um, when you look at social 169 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:23,440 Speaker 1: media and technology, has technology helped the NCP in your eyes? 170 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 1: Are just because it's always because the title has always 171 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:30,680 Speaker 1: been an issue colored people, and some people say that 172 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 1: title has has seen as time. When you look at 173 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 1: where the NAACP, because it definitely still serves a purpose. 174 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 1: It's still is our primary voice when we're when when 175 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 1: civil rights issues are being challenged, who's the first challenges 176 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:46,199 Speaker 1: but nab ATP. So when you look at technology, has 177 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 1: technology helped position h the NCP in modern times? You know, 178 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 1: I am when I started, the NACP had thirty thousand 179 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 1: people on its mobile list. No, I'm sorry, we had 180 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 1: five thousand. We had five thousand texts, you know, phone 181 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:08,439 Speaker 1: numbers we could organize people with. We had one hundred 182 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 1: and seventy five thousand email addresses. When I left, we 183 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 1: had one point four million email addresses we had four 184 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 1: hundred and thirty thousand mobile phone numbers, and technology definitely 185 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:22,959 Speaker 1: makes it easier to organize. Now. On the other hand, Facebook, 186 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:27,840 Speaker 1: which works on algorithms, has become a massive rabbit hole 187 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:33,319 Speaker 1: for for conspiracy theorists, and it has helped to multiply 188 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 1: hate groups and combine them with each other. So now 189 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 1: you have al Kada talking to white supremacists, for instance, 190 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 1: and you have the you know, the the the old KGB, 191 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:52,680 Speaker 1: it's a new acronym uh fomenting white supremacists. So technology, 192 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 1: i'd say, is a mixed back. But as an organizer, 193 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 1: it's made it a lot easier. When I was with 194 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 1: the black newspapers helping eighty of them online eight or 195 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 1: online when I started two years later, we brought eighty online. 196 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 1: So I'm all for embracing technology to spread good information 197 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 1: in our community, to organize people better. We do have 198 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:16,080 Speaker 1: to recognize though, that social media and the algorithms have 199 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 1: definitely made it easier for the hate groups to multiply, 200 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 1: and we need and frankly the companies need to shut 201 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:25,560 Speaker 1: that that aspect down. They got to figure out how 202 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 1: to stop spreading hate absolutely, you know, and that you know, Hayden. 203 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:33,080 Speaker 1: Some ways. I always tell people, you know, when you 204 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 1: have the algorithm, that's what people say, you know, succeeded 205 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 1: and allowed Some people up said the reason President Trump 206 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 1: was elected because he had the algorithm to be able 207 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:45,839 Speaker 1: to talk to the people he needed to talk to, 208 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 1: convince him, convince him of this rhetoric or these stereotyped 209 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:53,080 Speaker 1: information that basically in some ways out of fear, they 210 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:55,839 Speaker 1: voted for him because they didn't they thought it was 211 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:58,440 Speaker 1: about this was about to happen if he wasn't elected president. 212 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:01,839 Speaker 1: But you have a well, I gotta tell you, man, 213 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 1: like the the context for authoritarian movements in our society 214 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 1: is always poverty. Yes, you know, we we have let 215 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:16,599 Speaker 1: too many black folks and too many white folks, and 216 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 1: entire communities and even sections of states. You and I 217 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 1: know a lot of those sections of states. Well, they're 218 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 1: in Texas, there in Louisiana, there in Mississippi, in Alabama, 219 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 1: and they're in New York State. They're in Pennsylvania, are 220 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:30,679 Speaker 1: in California too, And there's entire communities I feel like 221 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 1: they are forgotten, and white men who don't have college 222 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:39,839 Speaker 1: degrees feeling the Democratic Party doesn't even think about them. 223 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 1: And black men without college degrees often feel the same 224 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 1: way too. And so if we really want to stop 225 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 1: the growth of authoritarian movements and hate movements and those 226 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 1: who would turn our democracy into a mockery, we have 227 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 1: to get back to what doctor King was calling all 228 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 1: of us to do when he was assassin. He was 229 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 1: not assassinated leading a desegregation battle. He was assassinated leading 230 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 1: the poor people's campaign. You know, when you know the uh, 231 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:12,440 Speaker 1: the co Intel program, the FBI right wasn't just about 232 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 1: he said, prevent the rise of Black Messiah. They weren't 233 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:18,199 Speaker 1: worried about a black person leading black people. That were 234 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 1: fine with that. They were most worried about a black 235 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:24,319 Speaker 1: person leading the poor. And that's why there was celebration 236 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 1: so many FBI offices with doctor King's assassinated. Wow. You know, 237 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 1: um information is everybody. I'm talking speaking of Ben Jealous. 238 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 1: We're talking about his book Never Get Our People are 239 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 1: always free in reference to who we are in a 240 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 1: world that tends to say that you're limited based on 241 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 1: the color of your skin. That's always been the challenge. 242 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 1: You know, you have a light complexion tone in your book, 243 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 1: you know you talk about different experiences. Some of them 244 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 1: are you know, when you look at it, you know 245 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 1: it can be sperceived as humors. I talked to you 246 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 1: before the interview. We talked about the Renaissance Festival, and I, 247 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 1: my wife and I we go to the Renaissance Festival. 248 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 1: We dress up and we by these giant turkey legs 249 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 1: and and for some reason we thought were fitting in. 250 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:07,080 Speaker 1: But it was fun. And then you said, hey, this 251 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 1: is not the ring Stuce festival that you have used to. 252 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:12,680 Speaker 1: This was a gathering. And at that gathering you found 253 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:16,320 Speaker 1: you you found. It was a profound moment because because 254 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 1: you found the relative and in a part of the 255 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 1: country that you didn't expect. You're just going there just 256 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 1: to be social. Now when you get you talk about Gates, 257 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 1: that's what he does. So when you were sitting down, 258 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 1: you knew exactly what he was doing and you wanted 259 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 1: to get the information. When you found out that gathering, 260 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 1: sitting next to somebody, that had to be an eye opener. 261 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 1: And as you said, you gulped on your drink several times. Yeah, no, 262 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 1: I mean I literally, you know, I sit down next 263 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 1: to this this couple, she's younger than her that it 264 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 1: looked like maybe fifteen years like that was the most 265 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 1: interesting thing, I guess. So I started taking out where 266 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 1: are y'all from? Right? He's like, loose ghettos. I'm like 267 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 1: anybody from there? That was an apport when I was 268 00:14:56,680 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 1: a kid. Where are you from? He's like, I'm from 269 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 1: were your wife from southern Virginia? And where is the 270 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 1: jam Petersburg? Or my family's in Petersburg? What's her? What's 271 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 1: her family names? And I'm like, I mean, I'm a 272 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 1: little buzzed at this point. After a cocktails and and 273 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 1: and he says, well, her maiden name is Bland. Well, 274 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 1: my grandmother's maiden name is Bland. So I cut him off. 275 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 1: I say Bland because yeah, Bland. He was wise. Oh brother, 276 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 1: I don't know how to put this, but I think 277 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 1: your wife's family is telling my mom's family. And I'm 278 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 1: looking at this lady. He's staring you say what did 279 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 1: I do? You said you think that your wife's family 280 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 1: may have owned your mom's fair? Yeah, him, I think 281 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 1: your wife's family. You know, he's from Minnesota, so he 282 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 1: has he ain't prepared, you know, he based this because baby, 283 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 1: we gotta push seats out, you know, the problem and 284 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 1: today seat and he looks at me right right, and 285 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 1: I'm looking at her. I'm like, wow, you look like 286 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 1: my grandma. He's looking at me like, oh yeah, baby, 287 00:15:57,040 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 1: give me a kiss. How you I have black family? 288 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 1: And I'm like, because who was like eighty years old, 289 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 1: you know, I'm like, it's like give her. It gives 290 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 1: her on the cheating right right right right? And and 291 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 1: Henry Little Skates Junior years later would uh verify, would 292 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 1: get our DNA and prove that we we just send 293 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 1: from the same plantation owner. We both to send from 294 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 1: Thomas Jefferson's grandma. We were related a couple of different ways. Uh, 295 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 1: should we include our Robert Robert Elie Robert Lee? Yeah? Man, 296 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 1: can we let that slide this conversation? Bit? Did we 297 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 1: let that slide in this conversation? You know, Robert E. Lee? 298 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 1: That's different conversation. Talk about dabilization. Well that was the thing, right. 299 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 1: So We're both members of the Blands family. And so 300 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 1: I'm writing the book and I'm like, oh, we just 301 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 1: go on Wikipedia. The Blands are one of the founding 302 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 1: families of Virginia. They signed the Declaration Independence all that stuff. 303 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 1: So it was like let me just go on there 304 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 1: and see who else descends from the Bland family. And 305 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 1: I see Robert Lee. I'm I'm the former president and ACP, 306 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 1: and the former head of the Confederate Army was my cousin. Wow, 307 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 1: but it got deeper, man, it got deeper. Here's the thing. So, 308 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:14,919 Speaker 1: Richard Yates Bland, who was the man who owned my 309 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 1: grandmother's grandfather and my grandmother's great grandfather and their families, 310 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 1: has one paragraph in his will protecting my grandmother's great grandfather, 311 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 1: and it's the only slave person that he mentioned in 312 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:33,119 Speaker 1: his will. And he has multiple sentences defining what the 313 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 1: rest of his life shall be like, clearly protecting him. Right, 314 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 1: And between that and my DNA, Harry Louise Gates Junior concluded, 315 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 1: your great grandfather was the owner's older brother, and the 316 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 1: owner knew it. He was older brother by six years older, 317 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 1: half brother. They would have grown up in the same nursery. 318 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:54,679 Speaker 1: They would have understood that they shared blood, that they 319 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 1: shared a father, and the younger brother, who was the owner, 320 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 1: was the older brother was dying and he wanted to 321 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:06,639 Speaker 1: protect his brother, right, He wanted to protect his brother. 322 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 1: The you know it was it didn't really were taught 323 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 1: that race as a wall, were taught that, you know, 324 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:18,679 Speaker 1: plantations were these terribly inhumane places and they were Nothing 325 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 1: really prepares you to find a slave owner protecting his 326 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 1: brother who was enslaved in a will and then you realize, 327 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 1: you know, that's your great great grandfather, and then you 328 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 1: realize that he knew that. And the Blands were big 329 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 1: supporters of the Confederacy of the White Blands, and they 330 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 1: were very proud that Robert E. Lee was their cousin. 331 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 1: So when my grandmother's great grandfather and a grandfather and 332 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 1: the you know, the entire family walked out of slavery 333 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:47,640 Speaker 1: in the last day of the Civil War, right after 334 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 1: the Battle of Aplthematics, they walked out knowing that the 335 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:55,399 Speaker 1: man who just surrendered was their cousin. And the question 336 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:57,119 Speaker 1: is what impact does it have on the people? And 337 00:18:57,119 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 1: I would say because it goes back to what word 338 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 1: you use earlier, hubris, Because they come right out of 339 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 1: slavery and they ultimately take over the state. My grandmother's grandfather, 340 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:09,639 Speaker 1: the son you know of the great grandfather who was 341 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:11,680 Speaker 1: the brother of the owner, the nephew of the owner, 342 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 1: fifteen years later is the head of the Black Republicans 343 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 1: in Virginia. He's in his early thirties. The Ha Tilden 344 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:24,680 Speaker 1: Compromise was signed that ended reconstruction. That's how the black 345 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 1: soldiers got shifted out to the west to become Buffalo soldiers, 346 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:34,920 Speaker 1: you know, fighting the Indians and um. And yet Jim 347 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:37,200 Speaker 1: Crow hadn't started yet. There were still large number of 348 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:41,199 Speaker 1: blacks in the legislature and the plantation owners them were 349 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 1: going to shut down these public schools, and the poor 350 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:47,359 Speaker 1: whites rebelled like like, heck you are. I mean, I 351 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:49,639 Speaker 1: know that these black dominated governments started them, but our 352 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 1: kids benefited from them. And he ends up joining up 353 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 1: with a former Confederate general. They build a populist movement, 354 00:19:55,640 --> 00:20:00,399 Speaker 1: multi racial takeover the Virginia government. Former Confederate soldiers formerly 355 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:04,680 Speaker 1: enslavement and take over the Virginia government. They expanned Virginia 356 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:06,679 Speaker 1: Tech to make it the workingman's rival the UVA to 357 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:10,400 Speaker 1: create the first public HBCU Virginia State, first public south 358 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 1: of the Mason Dixon, I should say Virginia State. They 359 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:17,680 Speaker 1: saved the public schools for all the children. They abolished 360 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:20,680 Speaker 1: the whipping post. And here's the key part. They abolished 361 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 1: the poll Tex. And why is that important? Because you 362 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:27,720 Speaker 1: know less than twenty years later the poll Tex will 363 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 1: be put into the into the Constitution of Virginia. And 364 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:33,920 Speaker 1: we're always told that that was like an attack on 365 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 1: black power, and it was disenfranchise eighty percent of blacks, 366 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 1: but it also disfranchised fifty percent of whites. In other words, 367 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:47,440 Speaker 1: it outlawed the populist party that my grandmother's grandfather and 368 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:50,639 Speaker 1: where David Gland was his name, and Robert excuse me, 369 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:56,160 Speaker 1: and William B. Mahone, the protege Robert E. Lee had created. Man, 370 00:20:56,240 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 1: did they ever teach you in school that former Confederates, 371 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 1: former slaves got together and created a political party that 372 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 1: took over multiple states for Junia, North Carolina. Heck no. 373 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 1: And that's why made me mad about these statements. Dave 374 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 1: Chappelle we met and became really really good friends. And uh, 375 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:17,399 Speaker 1: several years ago, I was in hen Sa Dame, about 376 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 1: fifteen years and uh, I was in La and I 377 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 1: was at the outside of the four season hotel and 378 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 1: got in and somebody ran in and said, Hey, somebody 379 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 1: want to see you, and it was Dave Chappelle. And 380 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 1: when you when you talk about my relationship with Davesville 381 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 1: started from a comedic standpoint. We did isbo dev commy jam. 382 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:37,679 Speaker 1: Now I look at the youngest member of the n 383 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:41,399 Speaker 1: WCP who leads the pack of change. You see what 384 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:44,400 Speaker 1: Dave Chappelle is today. He's a voice of reason, He's 385 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:48,440 Speaker 1: a vorce of honesty. What is your relationship all about? Friendship? 386 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:51,400 Speaker 1: His dad and mind dad were best friends. His father's 387 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 1: my godfather, was my godfather. Go God rest his soul. 388 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:59,680 Speaker 1: Our fathers are both civil rights organizers. And Dave was 389 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:02,439 Speaker 1: said to me a bit like Paddington Bear. I'd been 390 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:05,440 Speaker 1: in New York for a year. His father was deeply 391 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:08,159 Speaker 1: worried because Dave would be the first man in the 392 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:11,159 Speaker 1: family to go sorry, the first man in the family 393 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:14,919 Speaker 1: not to go to college, since slavery is all the 394 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 1: men in his family had been educated. David's name for 395 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 1: Bishop William David Chappelle, who's kind of like the Paul 396 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 1: of the am Church. A great expectation for men in 397 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 1: that family. His father had gone to Brown University at 398 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:29,679 Speaker 1: age fifteen, and I had been in New York a 399 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 1: year before Dave, even though we're only six months apart. 400 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:33,720 Speaker 1: And he said, look, I wanted to look out for 401 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:35,239 Speaker 1: my son in New York, and I wanted to tell 402 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:37,680 Speaker 1: him how much you led college, and so he knows 403 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 1: it's an option if comedy doesn't work. You and I 404 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 1: probably came across each other at the Boston Comedy Club. 405 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:46,159 Speaker 1: Absolutely I was I was the brother. Every thought it 406 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 1: was Puerto Rican before you wid work in this Puerto Rican. 407 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 1: So on the Chipland circle at a comedy the Still 408 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:54,440 Speaker 1: Brothers will come up by Chappelle's nole pointo Rican bodyguard. Goodness, 409 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:57,359 Speaker 1: see you brother, you know to take it. I'm proud, 410 00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:01,480 Speaker 1: you know fine, I love it. You know. The first 411 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 1: time Dave and I hung out as teenagers, we were eighteen, 412 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:07,400 Speaker 1: and I watched Dave step into the circle down near 413 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 1: the Boston Comedy Club and Washington Square Park where Charlie 414 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 1: Burnett would make all his money. Amazing. This is outdoor comedy, people, 415 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:19,399 Speaker 1: and that's all ways tell people. People say Dave Schappelle 416 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 1: because Dave Schappelle did comedy outdoors, which is means people 417 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:25,480 Speaker 1: could walk by you and you had to stop him. 418 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 1: And Charlie Burnette, God bless his soul, one of the 419 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:32,320 Speaker 1: brilliant street comedians who made his way into mainstream who 420 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 1: passed away way before his time. Yeah, and so Dave 421 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:37,920 Speaker 1: takes over the circle and washing Spurt Park and you 422 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 1: August Day, two hundred tourists. Dave made seven hundred and 423 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:47,119 Speaker 1: fifty bucks and fifteen minutes. And I long story short, said, man, 424 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 1: don't worry about I'm gonna call you day. I tell 425 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 1: him everything. But I call my godfather. I said, look, 426 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 1: I just watched your son make seven hundred fifty bucks 427 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 1: fifteen minutes, doing nothing illegal, just bringing joy. Everything's gonna 428 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 1: be okay. And so you know, I've always been like 429 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 1: a consiguliaria Dave ever since. You know, when he really 430 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 1: needs to figure something out in business or whatever, we 431 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 1: put heads together and we tigure out. I want to 432 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:12,720 Speaker 1: thank you for taking the time to come on Money 433 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,919 Speaker 1: Making Conversations, Mastercal I would teations in been we never talked. 434 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:18,199 Speaker 1: You know, we're just doing our service, and part of 435 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,680 Speaker 1: my service is bringing your voice to the community. And 436 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:24,360 Speaker 1: this book is amazing. I'll never get our people were 437 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:26,880 Speaker 1: always free. Written by Ben Jealous. Thank you for coming 438 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,399 Speaker 1: on Money Making Conversies, Masterclass. Thank you. We'll be right 439 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 1: back with more Money Making Conversations Masterclass. With Rushan McDonald, 440 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 1: it's time to accomplish what others deem impossible. 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You gotta 477 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 1: do what. I love the young people, what they're doing. 478 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 1: Some people are not even going to television anymore. Right, 479 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:04,800 Speaker 1: there's a comedian named country Ways. Nobody know who the 480 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 1: heath he is, but true social media, he sells out everywhere. 481 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,359 Speaker 1: You know, three social media to do things like you 482 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:13,440 Speaker 1: got to change a bunch of times. So Dot life, 483 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:17,960 Speaker 1: I'm on tweeting and I'm I'm going I'm going to Instagram. 484 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do more on Instagram. I love TikTok. I 485 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 1: just love what the young people are doing, and I'm 486 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 1: trying to stay young with Listen to this full interview 487 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 1: with George Wallace. It's available on Moneymaking Conversations dot com. Now, 488 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:33,359 Speaker 1: let's return to Money Making Conversations Masterclass with Rashan McDonald. 489 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:37,439 Speaker 1: My guess is Lenora Anderson. She is the co founder 490 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,480 Speaker 1: and president of Alliance for Safety and Justice, a s 491 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:44,920 Speaker 1: J on the nation's largest safety and justice reform advocacy organizations. 492 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,399 Speaker 1: As J wakes with public officials and grassroots partners to 493 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:52,920 Speaker 1: advance smart public policy and sponsors Crime Survivors for Safety 494 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:57,159 Speaker 1: and Justice, the nation's largest organizing program for victims of 495 00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 1: crime She's also the founder of California for Safety Injustice. 496 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 1: This was a flagship whereas an attorney with extensive experience 497 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 1: working to reform criminal justice and public suffetice systems. She's 498 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 1: on the show today this discuss a new book. If 499 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,439 Speaker 1: you're watching me, I'll be holding in my hand in 500 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 1: Their Names, The Untold story of victim rights, mass incarceration, 501 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 1: and the Future of public safety. Please walk into Money 502 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 1: Making Conversation Masterclass, Lenora Anderson. How are you doing, Lenora great? 503 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,159 Speaker 1: Thanks for having me. Well, first of all, you know, 504 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,119 Speaker 1: it's a it's a two way street. You know, I 505 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 1: have to ask and then and then the invitation has 506 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 1: to be accepted, and and then I have to get 507 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 1: the book, I do my homework, and then so I 508 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 1: won't be acting the generic questions that don't lead to anything, 509 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 1: and then you leave you and then you walk away. 510 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 1: And did he even read my book? Yes? I did, 511 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 1: because I think that when I when I bring a 512 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,960 Speaker 1: guest on like you who has something to say, and 513 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 1: not saying that my guests don't have anything to say, 514 00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,600 Speaker 1: but you could read a book like Let's put it 515 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 1: this way, if you watch Game of Thrones, you pretty 516 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 1: much you know it's gonna be some dragons. Okay, when 517 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 1: you read a book like this, I walked away realizing 518 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 1: I didn't understand the way society works. I was thoroughly educated. 519 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 1: In some ways, I was saddened by my own personal 520 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:20,720 Speaker 1: ignorance because there are victims of crime who are walking 521 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,719 Speaker 1: around to day and don't understand that they can go 522 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 1: get help. That is why when I got the book, 523 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 1: I was even more enthused about interviewing. You tell us 524 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:36,960 Speaker 1: your perspective, but it's so great to hear your reflections 525 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,440 Speaker 1: on it. So like you described, I'm an attorney in 526 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 1: a policy reform advocate, and I wanted to write this 527 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 1: book because I have seen the way these myths about 528 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 1: public safety in the United States really prevent victims from 529 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 1: getting help and really prevent real criminal justice reform from 530 00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:00,360 Speaker 1: coming about. You know, we work with survivor hours of 531 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 1: crime all across the country, and we bring groups of 532 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:08,920 Speaker 1: survivors to meet with state legislators in capitals all across 533 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 1: the country, states as diverse as you know, California, Texas, 534 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,520 Speaker 1: and when we sit down with legislators, they're always so 535 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:19,520 Speaker 1: shocked to hear that most victims of crime don't actually 536 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 1: want all this mass incarceration. They really want rehabilitation, crime prevention, 537 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:29,479 Speaker 1: and real help after experiencing harms. So I wanted to 538 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,240 Speaker 1: tell that story and try and help shake up this 539 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,960 Speaker 1: conversation on criminal justice in the country. Well, okay, it's 540 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,080 Speaker 1: really interesting because when you're talking about criminal justice, you 541 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,920 Speaker 1: usually talk about a person of color, usually a person 542 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,840 Speaker 1: that looks like me. We are the number, you know, 543 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,600 Speaker 1: we feel these jail sales, these prisons at a rapid rate. 544 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:49,960 Speaker 1: I think your number with one out of three. When 545 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:51,880 Speaker 1: it became the Latina, I think the number was one 546 00:30:51,880 --> 00:31:01,240 Speaker 1: out of six. And so why should you care about me? Well, 547 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:07,160 Speaker 1: I uh, you know, I started down this path kind 548 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 1: of uncovering the realities of racial inequality in Americans, America's 549 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:16,040 Speaker 1: public safety system. You know, when I was a teenager, 550 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:19,400 Speaker 1: it was the eighties and nineties in California, I was 551 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:23,800 Speaker 1: getting in trouble, and um, you know what, the response 552 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:27,640 Speaker 1: to me was very different than what was happening at 553 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:29,960 Speaker 1: that time. You know, in the eighties and nineties, there 554 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,560 Speaker 1: was a you know, sort of tough on crime movement. 555 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 1: There was this war on youth, especially in California. But 556 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 1: here I am as a white female getting in trouble. Police, 557 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:45,440 Speaker 1: let me go home, teachers, let me pass classes. That down, 558 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,960 Speaker 1: miss and miss and you getting in trouble. You getting 559 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:52,160 Speaker 1: in trouble, the young lady, I'm looking at you look 560 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:55,600 Speaker 1: like um you guys, it's close to a pta looking 561 00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,360 Speaker 1: person i've seen. Okay, and you used the word trouble 562 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,640 Speaker 1: tied to your name. I don't believe it. I don't 563 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:03,960 Speaker 1: believe what kind of trouble were you getting in. Let's 564 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 1: stop the praising, to pump the brakes here, Leno Anderson 565 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:09,240 Speaker 1: got in trouble. I want to hear what trouble you 566 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,920 Speaker 1: got in that? The police said, gone, girl, don't worry 567 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 1: about it. You know what probably typical, right, real typical teenager. Right, 568 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:25,080 Speaker 1: you know we're talking cut in school, we're talking shoplifting, 569 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,720 Speaker 1: you know, getting in trouble, underage drinking, and you know 570 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:32,360 Speaker 1: they're one of that kind of thing. And those are 571 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,440 Speaker 1: those are the realities, right, the realities are those exact 572 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:40,200 Speaker 1: things that I was doing on my sort of stumbling 573 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:45,800 Speaker 1: towards adulthood. Right, we're landing the color in jails across 574 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:50,440 Speaker 1: this country at astronomical rates. And it wasn't until you know, 575 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:55,680 Speaker 1: I was, you know, given so much grace and so 576 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:59,440 Speaker 1: many chances to try again. And it wasn't until after 577 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,040 Speaker 1: I graduate in law school a decade later, right, and 578 00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:06,480 Speaker 1: I'm sitting in courtrooms, sitting with parents and incarcerated youth, 579 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:11,080 Speaker 1: talking to kids who are facing solitary confinement, getting pepper 580 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:14,840 Speaker 1: sprayed by guards, you know, And I was listening to 581 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:18,520 Speaker 1: the stories of these young people and realizing, really the 582 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:22,200 Speaker 1: main difference between what they started out doing and what 583 00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 1: I was doing was how the system responded right around 584 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,720 Speaker 1: race and class. This is a system that has it's 585 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:34,400 Speaker 1: not just who gets incarcerated that's racially biased, it's also 586 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:38,080 Speaker 1: which victims get help that's racially biased. There's racial bias 587 00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:41,080 Speaker 1: at top to bottom of this whole system. When I 588 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:44,000 Speaker 1: came to realize that, I knew that I had to 589 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:48,080 Speaker 1: do something to advance racial equality right right now. And 590 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:51,120 Speaker 1: thank you for because a lot of people see things 591 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,719 Speaker 1: and get frustrated by the process and say, hey, they 592 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,360 Speaker 1: ain't my lane. That's not the experience I want. I 593 00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,120 Speaker 1: don't have to deal with those issues now. It all 594 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,880 Speaker 1: goes back to your back what what what what? Along 595 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:03,960 Speaker 1: the way, you know, Like I said, I always tell 596 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,160 Speaker 1: people Uh, some of the things I get in college, 597 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,160 Speaker 1: I probably could have been in jail, you know, because 598 00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,600 Speaker 1: if we all do stupid things, we all do things 599 00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:13,320 Speaker 1: that that you go back and go, you know something 600 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,000 Speaker 1: all somebody to dude just stopped me. I always tell 601 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,279 Speaker 1: the story. I remember I was in college. I was 602 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:21,440 Speaker 1: pledged in fraternity. And when you pledged in fraternity, the 603 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,479 Speaker 1: big brothers, they always want you to get stuff for them. 604 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:26,160 Speaker 1: You know, they didn't give you money. You just had 605 00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:28,600 Speaker 1: to come back with what they asked. And I had 606 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:30,880 Speaker 1: a little little sports car in college, and it was 607 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,560 Speaker 1: the feed I X one nine, and so the trunk 608 00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,040 Speaker 1: was in the front of the car. And I remember 609 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,239 Speaker 1: this big brother told me, he said, look, I want 610 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:41,160 Speaker 1: some plants from my apart. I couldn't tell him I 611 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,239 Speaker 1: didn't have any money. And I could always remember I 612 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:46,520 Speaker 1: went and found this place and and got these plants. 613 00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,080 Speaker 1: And and so if the plants were so big that 614 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:52,200 Speaker 1: they were sticking out of my trunk and basically blocking 615 00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,759 Speaker 1: my windshield, I couldn't even see really, so a cop 616 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:58,880 Speaker 1: could have easily have stopped me, and and I wouldn't 617 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,680 Speaker 1: be had no receipt those plants, and I could have 618 00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,000 Speaker 1: been arrested. It could have changed the direction of my 619 00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:07,080 Speaker 1: life because that was some silly thing that I did 620 00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:10,800 Speaker 1: because I was trying to accommodate the needs or the 621 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:14,600 Speaker 1: incredible demands of a big brother to join this organization 622 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,280 Speaker 1: so that so I can relate to what you're saying. 623 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,960 Speaker 1: But then there are some people like me. I had 624 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,840 Speaker 1: role models, I had people who believed in me. I 625 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,839 Speaker 1: had a circle of people. But then there are people 626 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,440 Speaker 1: out there who don't have anybody. And that's really what 627 00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,799 Speaker 1: we're talking about in this book. The people who are 628 00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:39,000 Speaker 1: perceived failures, people who have perceived targets, and guess what 629 00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,719 Speaker 1: they become that target. People take aim on them. That's 630 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:44,520 Speaker 1: what came out of the book a lot, and not 631 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:49,279 Speaker 1: saying that's negative, but it needs to be told. And 632 00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,080 Speaker 1: you know these are policy choices, right, I mean, you know, 633 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:56,720 Speaker 1: the reason that there's not enough youth mentors, the reason 634 00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:01,360 Speaker 1: that there's not enough mental health crisis assistance responders or 635 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:06,319 Speaker 1: trauma recovery centers for victims. The reason these kinds of 636 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:10,400 Speaker 1: solutions that would help people not be alone is because 637 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,399 Speaker 1: we put all the money in these bloated prisons right 638 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:17,640 Speaker 1: for too long. You know, in this country. The policy 639 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:21,359 Speaker 1: choice was, Hey, we've got a problem with crime. That's 640 00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,440 Speaker 1: a very serious problem. We've got to deal with it. 641 00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:27,120 Speaker 1: We're going to solve that problem by building up this huge, 642 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,360 Speaker 1: enormous set of criminal justice bureaucracies, and we're going to 643 00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:35,840 Speaker 1: put all the money in these prisons, mass surveillance, mass incarceration. Well, 644 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:39,160 Speaker 1: there's a real world impact of that choice, and the 645 00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:43,359 Speaker 1: impact is none of the kind of supports that you're describing. Right. 646 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:47,080 Speaker 1: We're talking about solutions on the ground in communities that 647 00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:50,280 Speaker 1: are operating on a dime, that have long waiting lists, 648 00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:54,600 Speaker 1: and that's because the safety money that our country has 649 00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:58,319 Speaker 1: doled out has gone too much to the wrong place. Absolutely, 650 00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,239 Speaker 1: And when you talk about the wrong places called tax 651 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,359 Speaker 1: dollars or tax dollars, and then people using those tax 652 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:08,480 Speaker 1: dollars create big business and prison is big business. And uh, 653 00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,640 Speaker 1: and that's that's a lot of the things that people 654 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,080 Speaker 1: are unaware of, you know, as as a person who 655 00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,279 Speaker 1: looks at you and talk about different career paths and 656 00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,320 Speaker 1: my career, you know, I wanted to be a doctor, 657 00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,680 Speaker 1: but then I couldn't get past physics, so you know, 658 00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:24,120 Speaker 1: so I eventually got my degree in mathematics, and and 659 00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:28,040 Speaker 1: but I took a course in college sociology that changed 660 00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:31,960 Speaker 1: my life, just really changed my perspective and really educated 661 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,719 Speaker 1: me on just life in general. You know. It were 662 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:38,680 Speaker 1: two courses that really I took them by accident. One 663 00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:40,520 Speaker 1: to one course would say it was easy. That's why 664 00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:43,120 Speaker 1: I took to sociology. And other course I was supposed 665 00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,880 Speaker 1: to take Texas history, and I wound up taking Western 666 00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,480 Speaker 1: European history, and I realized and I earned about the 667 00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:52,720 Speaker 1: Roman Cotholicism and Lutheranism and Calvinism, and I went, wow, 668 00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:56,719 Speaker 1: Europe was pretty violent. That's pretty violent country. And then 669 00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,000 Speaker 1: but there was a career path that got me here. 670 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,880 Speaker 1: Please explain your career path, because it had to be 671 00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:05,520 Speaker 1: certain things alone, the way it adjusted your personality to 672 00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:07,640 Speaker 1: allow you to be the person who's in pursuit of 673 00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:14,160 Speaker 1: justice reform. Yeah, well, you know, I really lucked out. 674 00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:19,120 Speaker 1: You know, I kind of fell into social justice advocacy. 675 00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,360 Speaker 1: You know, after I've kind of barely graduated from high school. 676 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,840 Speaker 1: I actually didn't go to college. But then I had 677 00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:30,799 Speaker 1: a health problem and needed health insurance. My dad, who 678 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,600 Speaker 1: had wanted me to go to college, says, you'll be 679 00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:36,120 Speaker 1: covered you're over eighteen, but you'll still be covered if 680 00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:38,680 Speaker 1: you're a college student. So I went to the local 681 00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:44,040 Speaker 1: junior college in San Jose, California, and didn't expect to 682 00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:48,640 Speaker 1: really find college as fascinating and interesting as I did, 683 00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:51,440 Speaker 1: you know, And I started taking these classes, you know, 684 00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:55,920 Speaker 1: everything from psychology, like you sociology, and it helped me 685 00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:59,480 Speaker 1: see the world in a different light. And then I was, 686 00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:01,959 Speaker 1: you know, able to do well in junior college and 687 00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:05,239 Speaker 1: then go on to Berkeley and then law school. But 688 00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:10,240 Speaker 1: it was really sort of happenstance that I found myself 689 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:15,400 Speaker 1: in new environments and I'm so grateful for that. You know, 690 00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,440 Speaker 1: you're really interesting in a good way. I say that, 691 00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:20,799 Speaker 1: you know. She she just casually says, you know, she 692 00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:22,520 Speaker 1: didn't really want to go to college. Needs she went 693 00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,240 Speaker 1: to b She went to junior college because of medical 694 00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,799 Speaker 1: reason to get insharance. Then she was in Berkeley and 695 00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:29,560 Speaker 1: then she was in law school. Like you know that 696 00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:33,160 Speaker 1: that leap, Like she just she's just like, you know, 697 00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:37,279 Speaker 1: you know, I just love talking to people like you 698 00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:41,719 Speaker 1: because you're so humble and you're so nonch a lot 699 00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:44,640 Speaker 1: about the work ethic that you put in and then 700 00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:47,359 Speaker 1: the gifts that you have, and then now you take 701 00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,360 Speaker 1: those gifts and you're sharing it by trying to change 702 00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,360 Speaker 1: people's lives, and you're doing it every day. When you 703 00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:57,000 Speaker 1: wrote this book, what angered you the most about the 704 00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,239 Speaker 1: research because you knew some of it, But when you 705 00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:01,359 Speaker 1: do more research, if you find things, you go, this 706 00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:08,759 Speaker 1: is disgusting. Yeah, you know. We have been my organization, 707 00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:12,200 Speaker 1: Liliance for Safety and Justice. We've been organizing to perform 708 00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:15,600 Speaker 1: criminal justice in public safety for a decade, and I 709 00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:18,040 Speaker 1: wanted to take a step back and write this book 710 00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:20,600 Speaker 1: because I knew there was a story to be told 711 00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,879 Speaker 1: about how victims have actually been hurt by the very 712 00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:29,759 Speaker 1: things that American politics say victims want all this mass incarceration, 713 00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:33,840 Speaker 1: tough justice. But then when I started researching the history, 714 00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:37,200 Speaker 1: You're right, there are so many things that I found 715 00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:42,160 Speaker 1: shocking and devastating. Victims of crime in New Orleans, Louisiana 716 00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:46,760 Speaker 1: getting arrested, the victims of domestic violence, human trafficking getting 717 00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:52,080 Speaker 1: arrested to compel their testimony in court when the perpetrators 718 00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:55,680 Speaker 1: are getting released on bail. That's an example. And by 719 00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:57,880 Speaker 1: the way, all the victims who are arrested in that 720 00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:02,160 Speaker 1: kind of situation, all low income women of color. That's 721 00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:07,719 Speaker 1: what's happening, is that's kind of treatment. You know. Another example, Cleveland, Ohio. 722 00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:10,680 Speaker 1: You know, this is one of the many cities across 723 00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:12,839 Speaker 1: the country in the eighties and nineties that got all 724 00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:16,040 Speaker 1: this federal money to build up the police departments and 725 00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:21,040 Speaker 1: mostly focus on drugs and theft and sort of petty stuff. 726 00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:25,400 Speaker 1: They're arresting people left and right. Meanwhile, that same city 727 00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:29,560 Speaker 1: is sitting on rate kits that have never been tested. Right. 728 00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:35,120 Speaker 1: So when I started really unpacking this reality, it's it 729 00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:40,160 Speaker 1: just sort of it became obvious to me that disregard 730 00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:44,319 Speaker 1: for victims, especially low income victims and victims of color, right, 731 00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:47,279 Speaker 1: is the two sides of the same point. That's the 732 00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:51,880 Speaker 1: same thing as mass incarceration. It's one systematic approach, if 733 00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:55,319 Speaker 1: that makes sense. No, No, it's life is is field. 734 00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:58,719 Speaker 1: We're irony, you know because doing the three strikes, because 735 00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:01,000 Speaker 1: you talk about in a book three strikes and you're out. 736 00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:06,719 Speaker 1: Basically that occurred under the Clinton administration, and then you 737 00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:10,760 Speaker 1: have who all schools involved that time was now President 738 00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:15,799 Speaker 1: Joe Biden. Okay, And within the community, you know, it's 739 00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,880 Speaker 1: always been a feeling that you know, Bill Clinton is 740 00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:22,520 Speaker 1: the black person's president, but he's responsible for for me, 741 00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:26,399 Speaker 1: the black people being in jail because of that law, 742 00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:31,279 Speaker 1: which sounds very simple, sound very you know, it will 743 00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,760 Speaker 1: fix a system, but it again hurt the very people 744 00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:38,800 Speaker 1: that will always be victimized, low income and people of color. 745 00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:42,160 Speaker 1: And then you have Joe Biden today, who needed the 746 00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:46,600 Speaker 1: black vote from the very people that he backed a 747 00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:50,000 Speaker 1: bill on. That type of irony places itself over and 748 00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:53,719 Speaker 1: over again, and it keeps coming back on the communities 749 00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:56,760 Speaker 1: that need the most resources, that need the most support. 750 00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:59,880 Speaker 1: And when you read a book like yours, you know, 751 00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:03,200 Speaker 1: I you know, I'm not saying I'm drawn to tears, 752 00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:08,560 Speaker 1: but I'm also very mad and mad because the people's 753 00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:12,080 Speaker 1: lives who have been destroyed can be recovered, the people 754 00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:14,640 Speaker 1: who are victims of crime. And I think that that's 755 00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,080 Speaker 1: what we're about to go to now, because we're not 756 00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:20,000 Speaker 1: talking about incarceration now, we need to also talk about 757 00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,640 Speaker 1: the people who are actually victims because we're not spending 758 00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:26,239 Speaker 1: the money in the right direction. Ama, correct, that's right. 759 00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:32,719 Speaker 1: How do we fix that? Miss Andrewson? Well, you know, 760 00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,880 Speaker 1: I mean a lot of people are not aware of 761 00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:39,560 Speaker 1: how few victims of crime get help after getting hurt 762 00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:41,759 Speaker 1: by violence, you know, and I talk about it in 763 00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,000 Speaker 1: the book. You know, we passed in this country, we 764 00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:48,880 Speaker 1: passed laws in every state for victim compensation programs and 765 00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:54,240 Speaker 1: relocation assistance programs, and yet nine out of ten victims 766 00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:56,880 Speaker 1: getting no help. They don't get at nine out of 767 00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:01,040 Speaker 1: ten victims of violent crime in the US getting compensation, 768 00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:06,839 Speaker 1: no relocation assistance, no accommodations at work or school. They 769 00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:13,040 Speaker 1: faced extreme stress, you know, in response to what has happened. 770 00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:17,040 Speaker 1: And despite the laws on the books, it's not translating 771 00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:21,040 Speaker 1: to real help to victims. And that needs to be uncovered. 772 00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:24,120 Speaker 1: That story of how few victims get help needs to 773 00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:28,600 Speaker 1: be told because right in there is also a set 774 00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:32,279 Speaker 1: of solutions around public safety. If we could help survivors 775 00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:37,920 Speaker 1: heal from trauma and get stabilized, we would actually be 776 00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:40,760 Speaker 1: stopping the cycle of crime at the same time. So 777 00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:44,839 Speaker 1: as part of why we're so focused on helping alleviate 778 00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:48,080 Speaker 1: the trauma that victims experience is because we're trying to 779 00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:51,959 Speaker 1: heal communities. Right I'm speaking to Leanor Anderson our book 780 00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:54,919 Speaker 1: In Their Names, The Untold Story of Victims, Rights, Mass 781 00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:57,600 Speaker 1: and Conceration, and the future of public safety. You can 782 00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:01,400 Speaker 1: buy this book today and underlyine chapter of against a 783 00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:04,719 Speaker 1: paragraph he said. This book, which you wrote, argues that 784 00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:09,160 Speaker 1: unearthing and resetting the relationship between victims of crime and 785 00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:14,280 Speaker 1: the criminal justice system is required to replace masscarceration. Now, 786 00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:18,560 Speaker 1: you know, the average person go, what's she talking about? 787 00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:21,760 Speaker 1: Put these folks to jail and going about your business. 788 00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:24,040 Speaker 1: So I'm sure you get that a lot. You know, 789 00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:26,480 Speaker 1: I'm sure people look at you like, you know, she know, 790 00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:28,719 Speaker 1: she's one of them, you know, do gooders. You know, 791 00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:32,920 Speaker 1: she a dreamer, pipe dream people. You know, how do 792 00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,480 Speaker 1: you overcome that? How do you come to skepticism? How 793 00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:37,560 Speaker 1: do you come back? Because do you get four doors 794 00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:40,239 Speaker 1: slamming your face? Probably than me, okay, because you try 795 00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:41,600 Speaker 1: to do right and a lot of people don't care 796 00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:43,640 Speaker 1: about doing right. They just want to vote, or they 797 00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:45,520 Speaker 1: try to raise some taxes, they try to get home, 798 00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:47,520 Speaker 1: and you're just trying to get the job done right. 799 00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:52,480 Speaker 1: So you super dreamer, how do you overcome it? And 800 00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:54,440 Speaker 1: how have you been able to win? Because you are 801 00:45:54,480 --> 00:46:01,200 Speaker 1: winning too. Yeah, We've had a lot of success talking 802 00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:04,440 Speaker 1: to people about the truth about what happens. You know, 803 00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:07,600 Speaker 1: when you ask most voters. You know, first of all, 804 00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:10,440 Speaker 1: we all want public safety. That is something that's a 805 00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:13,200 Speaker 1: value we all hold dear. The question is how to 806 00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:16,719 Speaker 1: get there. And when you ask voters, which do you 807 00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:20,920 Speaker 1: think is more effective for public safety, right, incarcerating our 808 00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,960 Speaker 1: way to safety, arresting our way to safety, or building 809 00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:27,800 Speaker 1: strong communities, voters across the political spectrum are going to 810 00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:31,920 Speaker 1: say building strong communities. Well, if that's what we all 811 00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:35,239 Speaker 1: know intuitively, right, that you actually have to invest in 812 00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:40,799 Speaker 1: crime prevention and rehabilitation and crisis assistance, then why are 813 00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:43,880 Speaker 1: we not doing that? And we're not doing it because 814 00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:46,080 Speaker 1: there's this myth, and it's the myth that you just 815 00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:48,480 Speaker 1: laid out that like, hey, let's just throw all these 816 00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:50,879 Speaker 1: people in jail and then we'll be safe. Right, Well, 817 00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:55,040 Speaker 1: that myth has failed up for forty years. That has 818 00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:59,839 Speaker 1: been symbolism instead of real safety. Right. That's the sort 819 00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:02,359 Speaker 1: of you know, want to feel good and look tough 820 00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:06,560 Speaker 1: kind of politic that might get someone reelected, but it 821 00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:10,840 Speaker 1: has never actually delivered real safety. You know, our country 822 00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:13,439 Speaker 1: incurs rates more per capita than just about any other 823 00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:15,920 Speaker 1: country in the nation. If that was the way to safety, 824 00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:19,040 Speaker 1: we'd be the safest country on the planet. We put 825 00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:21,120 Speaker 1: you in jail and we'll shoot you. We'll put you 826 00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:25,160 Speaker 1: in jail and we'll shoot you. Okay, right to bear arms. 827 00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:30,200 Speaker 1: And so that's where you trapped that well, and we 828 00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:33,160 Speaker 1: got to ask ourselves what have we gotten for that? Right? 829 00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:37,799 Speaker 1: What have we gotten in reality? You know, when you 830 00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:41,239 Speaker 1: look at what our public money goes to, right, and 831 00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:44,279 Speaker 1: when we say public money, that's our money, right, your money, 832 00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:46,480 Speaker 1: my money. This is our money here in public systems. 833 00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:52,200 Speaker 1: This is money that is chronically allowing crisis to become 834 00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:55,000 Speaker 1: crime and then trying to arrest our way out of it. 835 00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:58,880 Speaker 1: Why don't we start on the front end and really 836 00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:02,640 Speaker 1: try and actually help people who are in crisis. We 837 00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:05,920 Speaker 1: so we can prevent most of the crime and violence 838 00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:09,720 Speaker 1: that's happening. It's not that mysterious why crime and violence happens. 839 00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:12,240 Speaker 1: We just don't do a lot about it. And then 840 00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:15,760 Speaker 1: we spend all the money on these broken, beloated systems, 841 00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:18,919 Speaker 1: cool in their names. The untone story of victims rights, 842 00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:22,040 Speaker 1: mass incarceration in the future of public safety safety, I'm 843 00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:25,360 Speaker 1: speaking to Lenoor Anderson. What are your future goals? Lenor? 844 00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:28,160 Speaker 1: You know, you know it's it's it's tied to passion, 845 00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:30,920 Speaker 1: it's tied to changing people's lives, it's tied to changing 846 00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:38,919 Speaker 1: people's point of view. Yeah, and you know, in twenty twenty, 847 00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:40,440 Speaker 1: I want you just to get this out, you know, 848 00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:42,320 Speaker 1: when George Floyd, because I want to make sure I 849 00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:43,960 Speaker 1: get this out, because I think it had to have 850 00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:48,759 Speaker 1: an impact on the whole justice system. You know, this 851 00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:53,719 Speaker 1: whole country was March heavy, you know, defunded police, all 852 00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:57,520 Speaker 1: these things were put out there, and then the Republican 853 00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:00,759 Speaker 1: Party used that to say, that's why the country is 854 00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:03,000 Speaker 1: a high crime rate is going up, that's why police 855 00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:06,320 Speaker 1: officers are quitting on the job. I know I'm asking 856 00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:09,000 Speaker 1: two questions, but first answer your question about the future 857 00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:14,000 Speaker 1: goal and then we get back to this decond questions. Okay, Well, 858 00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:16,200 Speaker 1: and they're and they're kind of related. You know, we 859 00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:18,840 Speaker 1: live in a really exciting time. I mean, you know, 860 00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:21,200 Speaker 1: most people, if you turned on the TV during the 861 00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:25,560 Speaker 1: last election cycle, there was a real, you know, resurgence 862 00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:28,000 Speaker 1: of this sort of tough on crime, law and order rhetoric. 863 00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:30,799 Speaker 1: But it really didn't have an impact. You know, it 864 00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:34,520 Speaker 1: didn't actually change a lot of voters opinions. I think 865 00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:38,560 Speaker 1: voters are wiser today than they used to be on 866 00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:42,279 Speaker 1: this issue of criminal justice, and that means there's exciting 867 00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:45,920 Speaker 1: change happening. So what we're interested in is, you know, 868 00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:48,640 Speaker 1: what are the real solutions, right If we if we 869 00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:52,440 Speaker 1: can finally abandon this myth of mass incarceration as a 870 00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:55,680 Speaker 1: pathway to safety, if we can start to accept that 871 00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:59,320 Speaker 1: criminal justice reform and public safety actually go hand in hand, 872 00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:03,799 Speaker 1: we and build some really great solutions. You know, there's 873 00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:08,640 Speaker 1: these things called street outreach violence prevention workers right These 874 00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:12,480 Speaker 1: are grassroots community members trained in conflict mediation that can 875 00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:17,279 Speaker 1: help young people reduce gun violence on the streets. It's 876 00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:21,960 Speaker 1: having a huge positive impact. There's trauma recovery centers which 877 00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:26,279 Speaker 1: are helping underserved victims of crime get crisis assistance and 878 00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:30,560 Speaker 1: get mental health support. These are the kinds of solutions 879 00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:33,560 Speaker 1: that we're building across the country. And what's so exciting 880 00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:37,080 Speaker 1: about the future is that more and more people are 881 00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:41,200 Speaker 1: seeing the wisdom behind these solutions. That's really what excites 882 00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:43,280 Speaker 1: me the most. That's what we're trying to build toward, 883 00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:46,640 Speaker 1: and I think that I think we're at a point 884 00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:50,160 Speaker 1: where we can start to have a much more honest 885 00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:57,240 Speaker 1: conversation about partnering with community instead of surveilling community, partnering 886 00:50:57,239 --> 00:51:00,359 Speaker 1: with community to build the kind of solution so we've 887 00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:03,160 Speaker 1: been needing the whole time. Yeah, it's definitely a book 888 00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:06,000 Speaker 1: that changed my life. And I say that I would 889 00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:08,759 Speaker 1: say that casually because I think that when people say 890 00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:10,839 Speaker 1: that in me, no, I'm not you know, I am 891 00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:12,959 Speaker 1: who I am, I am my age, But your point 892 00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,920 Speaker 1: of view can be changed through information. This book will 893 00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:18,040 Speaker 1: be passed around to some other people who are a 894 00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:20,799 Speaker 1: little bit bigger than me, and I will encourage them 895 00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:24,200 Speaker 1: to interview you and encourage them to get the word 896 00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:28,040 Speaker 1: out about your book. It's that big to me. 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My guest today is actor, educator, activist, 949 00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:54,279 Speaker 1: and entrepreneur Lamon Rucker. He addresses how being authentic can 950 00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:58,040 Speaker 1: benefit and lead the youth of today. It's your value 951 00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:02,440 Speaker 1: at your understanding of your responsibility to serve, you know, 952 00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:05,080 Speaker 1: to serve young people's. You and I serve one another. 953 00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:07,840 Speaker 1: We love and support and encourage and empower and uplift 954 00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:11,960 Speaker 1: each other. The branding is completely secondary. I believe if 955 00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:14,040 Speaker 1: you're doing what you're supposed to be doing, if you're 956 00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:16,840 Speaker 1: being who you're supposed to be, if you're walking and 957 00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:19,840 Speaker 1: living and your love and your life on a regular basis, 958 00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:24,000 Speaker 1: your brand will be shaped around you, not you having 959 00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:26,879 Speaker 1: to try to be something you're not, just because so 960 00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:29,120 Speaker 1: I do my best to work from the inside out, 961 00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:31,560 Speaker 1: not the outside is. Listen to this full interview with 962 00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:35,319 Speaker 1: Lamar Rutger. It's available on Moneymaking Conversations dot com. You 963 00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:38,000 Speaker 1: can stay up to date with all new and exclusive 964 00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:41,960 Speaker 1: money Making Conversations Masterclass interviews by liking and following on 965 00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:45,719 Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, Spotify, I Heart Radio, or Audible