1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: What's incapable of being racist? People joking about Canadians can't 2 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:17,239 Speaker 1: do it to Canada. Can't do it to Canada or 3 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:19,960 Speaker 1: the FSCs. It could happen here the French. We can 4 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 1: be racist against the French. It's true. Yeah, speaking of 5 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 1: speaking that makes Quebec angrier. But like speaking of racism, Chris, 6 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 1: what's our topic today? Yeah, today's episode is about why 7 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 1: I hate the cops. Hell Yeah. Specifically it is about 8 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 1: is about Chicago police departments and the many, many, many, 9 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 1: many many crimes they have committed. Uh, we're gonna talk 10 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 1: about well, okay, So to lead us in to explain 11 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:48,560 Speaker 1: what we're doing here today, I'm going to read a 12 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:51,159 Speaker 1: quote from from the late anthropologist David Grabery from this 13 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 1: book The Democracy Project. For my own part, I find 14 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 1: what I call the rape torture and Murder test very useful. 15 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 1: It's quite simple when presented with the political entity of 16 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:04,119 Speaker 1: some kind or another, whether a government, a social movement, 17 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:07,120 Speaker 1: a guerilla army, or really any other organized group, and 18 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 1: trying to decide whether they deserve condemnation or support, first 19 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 1: ask do they commit or do they order others to commit? 20 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:17,680 Speaker 1: Acts of rape torture? Or murder. It seems a self 21 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 1: evident question. But again, it's surprising how rarely, or better, 22 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 1: how selectively it is applied. Or perhaps it might seem 23 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 1: surprising until one starts applying it and discovers conventional wisdom 24 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 1: when many will political issues instantly turned upside down. In 25 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 1: two thousand six, for example, most people in the United 26 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:36,760 Speaker 1: States read about the Mexican governments sending federal troops to 27 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 1: quell a popular revolt initiated by a teachers union against 28 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 1: notoriously corrupt governor in the southern state of Wahaka. In 29 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:45,679 Speaker 1: the US media, this was universally presented as a good thing, 30 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 1: a restoration of order. The rebels, after all, we're violent, 31 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 1: having thrown rocks and molotov cocktails, even if they only 32 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 1: threw them at heavily armed police, causing no serious injuries. 33 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 1: No one, to my knowledge has ever suggested that the 34 00:01:56,720 --> 00:02:00,040 Speaker 1: rebels raped, tortured, or murdered anyone. Neither has anyone on 35 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 1: who knows anything about the events and questions seriously contested 36 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 1: the fact that forces loyal to the Mexican government had raped, tortured, 37 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 1: and murdered quite a number of people in suppressing the rebellion. 38 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 1: Yet somehow such acts, unlike the rebels stone throwing, cannot 39 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 1: be described as violent at all, let alone as rape, 40 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:17,519 Speaker 1: torture and murder, but only appear, if at all, as 41 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 1: accusations of human rights violations or in some similarly bloodless 42 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 1: legalistic language. Yeah, and that that's the framework that I 43 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 1: want to take the Chicago Police Department, so people can 44 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:37,359 Speaker 1: understand why and how and just just sort of get 45 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:40,360 Speaker 1: people can get a taste of the sheer horror that 46 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 1: anti police organizers and just like regular people in Chicago 47 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 1: are fighting every day because the Chicago Police Department fails 48 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 1: the rape torture murder test again and again and again 49 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:52,679 Speaker 1: and again. And so we are going to tell four 50 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 1: stories of torture, rape, and murder by the Chicago Police 51 00:02:55,480 --> 00:03:01,920 Speaker 1: Department that SEMs fun. It's can be great. Happy pants 52 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 1: on kids, go for a cruise, you know, take the 53 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 1: top down. Um, it's it's time for a good old fest. 54 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 1: So our our first story of torture, rape and murder 55 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:19,079 Speaker 1: by the CPD is the story of Chicago's infamous torture ring, 56 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 1: led by a man named John Burge. Yeah. Now, John 57 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 1: Birge had been a military police sergeant working at a 58 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 1: POW camp in Vietnam. So so immediately you have a 59 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:32,919 Speaker 1: guy who's not only a troop cop, but he's he's 60 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 1: he's a troop cop while he was a troop and 61 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 1: then he becomes a cop and you know, nothing, nothing 62 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 1: good can possibly come from that. And the other thing 63 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 1: and nothing good can possibly come from is the fact 64 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 1: that while Burge was in Vietnam, the US was doing 65 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 1: some just really six ships to Vietnamese prisoners, including rape, 66 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 1: gang rape, rape with hard objects, and rape followed by murder. Uh. 67 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 1: The electric shock called the bell telephone hour rendered by 68 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:02,119 Speaker 1: attaching wire it to the genitals and keep your keep 69 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: that one in mind. We have not seen the last 70 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 1: of that uh and rape using eels and snakes, as 71 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 1: we have talked about on bastards of it before. Um, 72 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 1: they're also like they're also a huge water boarding fans. 73 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: So this, this is this is the environment that Burge 74 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 1: is sort of you know, being trained as a copy 75 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: in right, he's he's one of those these these PW 76 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 1: camps and he gets the purple Heart for his service. 77 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 1: Now when when it comes back to the US and 78 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 1: he becomes a cop and within about three years Burge 79 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 1: and his white cock buddy start just absolutely beating the 80 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 1: crap out of black suspects. Um. One of these prisoners, 81 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 1: a man named Anthony Holmes, was repeatedly tortured with electric 82 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: shocks and almost suffocated a death of a bag put 83 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 1: over his head. Holmes was tortured so badly he literally 84 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 1: thought he was going to die, so he confessed to 85 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 1: a crime he didn't commit and spent thirty years in prison. Yeah. 86 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:54,359 Speaker 1: I actually interviewed one of the people tortured by Burge 87 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 1: who was had his testicles electrocuted. Yeah. Yeah, we're gonna 88 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:02,600 Speaker 1: get into that. Yeah. It's it's it's horrible. It's it's 89 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 1: pretty mud of the worst things I've ever read. Uh. Yeah. 90 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 1: And Holmes this case is particularly grim because so he 91 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 1: tells his lawyers that he's been tortured, and his lawyers 92 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 1: don't believe him, and so you know, he yeah, he 93 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 1: he he went to spending thirty years in prison that 94 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 1: he didn't do um those shocks. Yeah yeah. So okay, 95 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 1: So that they have this box, right, it's his box 96 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 1: as a handcrate generator. Burge calls at the n word box. Uh, 97 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: and he just attaches people's like it's just attaches it 98 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 1: to people. I wonder when Oh, yeah, no, it's he's 99 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 1: all of these people are so indescribably racist. It's like, yeah, 100 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 1: he he just like he keeps this box like on 101 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 1: his desk at at the Chicago Police Department. Like it's 102 00:05:57,080 --> 00:06:00,080 Speaker 1: just on his desk at work. Um. You know. The 103 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 1: other thing is notable about this is that he, he 104 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 1: and the people around him would call just electrocuting people 105 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:06,479 Speaker 1: by touching alligator lamps of them and putting nine thousand, 106 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 1: two hundred vaults into them. They called it the Vietnamese 107 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 1: treatment because I guess what he learned this in Vietnam. Um. Now, 108 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 1: Burge is so called Midnight Crew had had an incredibly 109 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 1: high rate of solving crimes. And he has an incredibly 110 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 1: high rate of quote unquote solving crimes because he's just 111 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:24,040 Speaker 1: torturing random black people until they confess. Um. And you know, 112 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 1: it's it's not like people don't know he's doing this. 113 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 1: There's there's a detective in the seventies who like walks 114 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 1: in on Burde torturing a guy, and he goes through 115 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 1: superiors and it's like Burgess, Burgess torturing these people and 116 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: that detective gets reprimanded and were reprimanded for like reporting 117 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 1: the torture and transferred another area. So Burge gets promoted 118 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 1: to sergeant in nineteen seventy seven and then again to 119 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 1: lieutenant in nineteen eighty, and he gets he gets put 120 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 1: in charge of the newly formed violent crimes unit, and 121 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:53,480 Speaker 1: from from from this position, his rate of terror intensifies. 122 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:59,280 Speaker 1: And so so in nineteen eight two, someone shoots two 123 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:03,040 Speaker 1: white cops. And you know, this is one of one 124 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 1: of the sort of classic police things. Anytime a cop 125 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:09,360 Speaker 1: dies the the the police department just goes fucking ballistic. 126 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, And and in this case with with with 127 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 1: virgin charge, he basically turns the entire South Side into 128 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 1: what can only be described as a fascist police state. Um, 129 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 1: here's this is. This is from the Chicago police torture scandal, 130 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 1: illegal and political history. In in Cuoney's Law review, police 131 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 1: kicked down doors and terrorized scores of African Americans. And 132 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 1: what Jesse Jackson of Operation Push Push and Raynald Robinson 133 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 1: if the Afro American police lead condemned as quote martial 134 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:43,239 Speaker 1: law that smacked of Nazi Germany. Thirteen witnesses were smothered 135 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 1: with bags and threatened with bolt cutters and ursion as 136 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 1: detectives took several young men who they were only suspected 137 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:52,119 Speaker 1: to be the killers to police headqure horders and tortured them. 138 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 1: And I mean they're just like you know that they're 139 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 1: buzzing down people's doors or dragging people away out in 140 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 1: the middle of the night. They do this for about 141 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 1: five days before they arrest two brothers and who again 142 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 1: had nothing to do with this. They just decided that 143 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 1: these two were the guys and tortured just the absolute 144 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 1: shit out of him. Um one of the brothers, Andre Wilson. 145 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 1: But before Birds even gets there, because this is the 146 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 1: everything about Birds. It's not just birds, right like everyone 147 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 1: he's like around him, he's also a torturer. It's just 148 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 1: birds sort of, you know, but Bird is the guy 149 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 1: like directing a lot of it. So even before he 150 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 1: gets there, Yeah, like Wilson gets like he's burned with 151 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 1: a cigarette lighter, he gets strangled with the bag over 152 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 1: his head again, and they just like beat him a 153 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 1: bunch of times, and then it gets even worse. Um 154 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:39,199 Speaker 1: Burgs Like you know, but Birds, that's the thing where 155 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:42,320 Speaker 1: he likes he straps him to the to the electric box, right, 156 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 1: but he also straps him against the radiator. And you 157 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 1: know these are like old Chicago steam radiators. Right. If 158 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 1: you touch, if you like touch them even briefly, you 159 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 1: get burned. And so yeah, he straps into a radiator 160 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 1: and every time he like gets shocked, he jerks back 161 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 1: into the radiator, it gets burned. Yeah. I have a 162 00:08:58,000 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: friend who get a second degree burn and just from 163 00:08:59,880 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 1: like briefly touching one of those things. Yeah, yeah, I 164 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 1: mean it's basically it's basically tying someone to an oven. 165 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 1: It's turns. Yeah, it's it is breasttaking in humanity on 166 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 1: a scale that is yeah, pop esque. Yeah, yeah, it's 167 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 1: it's it's it's real. It's real cops shit. Um, it's 168 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:27,839 Speaker 1: for sure real cop shit. Yeah. So here here here's 169 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 1: an interview, uh with Wilson. There's an excerpt of one 170 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 1: from from the book Writing from the World of Policing. 171 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 1: Wilson said that Berg cranked the generator, sending nine thousand, 172 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 1: two hundred volts of electricity into his body. He put 173 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 1: it on my fingers, Wilson explained, one of the clamps 174 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 1: and one finger and one of the other finger, and 175 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 1: then he kept cranking it and cranking it, and I 176 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 1: was hollering and screaming. I was calling for help. My 177 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:53,079 Speaker 1: teeth was grinding, flickering in my head. Pain, it hurts, 178 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:55,319 Speaker 1: Wilson continued, But it stays in your head. Okay, it 179 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 1: stays in your head, and it grinds your teeth. It 180 00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 1: grinds constantly, grinds constantly. The pain just stays in your 181 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 1: head and your teeth cut constantly, grinds and grinds and 182 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 1: grinds and grinds and grinds and grinds. Now, Wilson. They 183 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:13,679 Speaker 1: do this to Wilson for like a day, and he 184 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 1: doesn't confess. He he refuses to confess because he didn't 185 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 1: do it, and so he goes to like they bring 186 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 1: him in front of a family prosecutor and Wilson tells 187 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 1: the prosecutor that he's being tortured, and you know, it's 188 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 1: incredibly obvious he's being tortured, like there's just there's marks 189 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 1: all over's body, like his his face is destroyed. And 190 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: the prosecutor sends him back to Burge, who tortures him more. 191 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 1: And but by the time Burge is done with him, 192 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 1: Wilson is so visibly fucked up that the police lock 193 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 1: up keeper like takes a look at it, like takes 194 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:48,599 Speaker 1: one look at him and goes, I'm not going to 195 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 1: be a part of this and refuses to put him 196 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 1: in lock up Cook County Jails. Like Director of Medical 197 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 1: Services um sends a letter going like, this man was 198 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 1: tortured to the police. Here we found a human being. Yeah, yeah, 199 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:03,680 Speaker 1: well you know, and it's like every one once every like, 200 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:07,080 Speaker 1: i don't know, maybe like a hundred pages of reading 201 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 1: about this, you find one person who is a normal 202 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 1: human being. Unfortunately, the state's attorney, instead of prosecuting Burge 203 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 1: for again attaching attaching a man's balls to a hand 204 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 1: create generator and then electrocuting him, uh, the state prosecutor 205 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 1: and the police superintendent both publicly congratulate Burde for his work. Yeah, 206 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:28,959 Speaker 1: Andrew Wilson, mean while died in prison in two thousand seven, 207 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:39,599 Speaker 1: because this world is just the worst. Yeah. Now, you 208 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 1: might be asking yourself, how does he get away with this? 209 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:45,079 Speaker 1: And the answer is that the CPD is complicit in 210 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 1: burdges torture at literally every level. Every attempt to stop 211 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 1: Burge is derailed directly by the departments. And not only 212 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 1: is he not stopped, he's repeatedly praised and promoted for 213 00:11:54,440 --> 00:12:01,840 Speaker 1: his actions. And yeah, that's how it goes. Yep, it's 214 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 1: it's great. It's it's it's an institutionalized system of torture, 215 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 1: rape and murder. That. Yeah, it's like that. We have 216 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 1: us a little ABU grade home. But yeah, I don't worry, 217 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 1: we will well, I guess we won't actually get tob 218 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:18,839 Speaker 1: with grades specifically, but I can, I can do, I 219 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 1: can I can do an UPI grave tie in at 220 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 1: the end of this part. So, the CPD has something 221 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:27,839 Speaker 1: they call the Code of Silence, And we'll talk about 222 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:31,320 Speaker 1: this more later, but basically, the core of the Code 223 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 1: of Silence is that just no matter what crimes, what atrocities, 224 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 1: what just inhuman pig horrors you see cops committing you, 225 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 1: stay silent. Now. This code, you know, it's it's it's 226 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 1: a code that everyone sort of knows right in the police, 227 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 1: but it's also directly enforced um and and it's enforced 228 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:50,440 Speaker 1: by the stuff Burdge would do, like just to other cops, 229 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 1: Like he would do things like if there was a 230 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:54,840 Speaker 1: cop who was like unhappy with him. He would like 231 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 1: walk up behind them when they're opening a file cabinet 232 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 1: and point a gun at their head and then go 233 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:01,439 Speaker 1: like bang and then do this like a thing that 234 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:03,959 Speaker 1: I can really only describe as a supervillain monologue about 235 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 1: how like the projects are a dangerous place, maybe you're 236 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 1: gonna turn up dead. It's he also he has these 237 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 1: street files that he keeps on like other cops families, 238 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 1: so that if if another cop like goes after him, 239 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:19,840 Speaker 1: he can have their family arrested and then plant evidence 240 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 1: on them. Yeah that makes sense. Yeah, it's it's like, 241 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 1: you know, like in a certain like he's doing this 242 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:30,440 Speaker 1: to other cops, and it's like, well, okay, like you 243 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 1: know what, like what what possible? Like system of of 244 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 1: of accountability quote on court or police reform is like 245 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:40,079 Speaker 1: ever going to do anything to a guy who will 246 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 1: just do this two cops like and you know, with 247 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 1: the CPD actively backing him there, there's there's nothing that 248 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:49,560 Speaker 1: can stop Burge. And I should mention here that there's 249 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 1: persistent rumors that Burge as a klansmen um I I 250 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 1: couldn't find like firm confirmation of it. He's he's certainly 251 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 1: racist enough, but but I think, yeah, but like why 252 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:01,600 Speaker 1: would he why would he spend like that's that feels 253 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 1: like almost he would be like why would I waste 254 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:07,080 Speaker 1: my time doing that, like talking about being racist when 255 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:09,719 Speaker 1: I can go out and torture people because I'm a 256 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:13,680 Speaker 1: racist every day, Like the clan already got it going on. Yeah, 257 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 1: and I think it's sometimes like, yeah, the question is immaterial. 258 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:18,680 Speaker 1: He is a member of the Chicago Police Department, an 259 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 1: organization is systematic racial terror, the likes of which the 260 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 1: modern Clan can only dream of. Yeah, that's whatever. Yeah, Yeah, 261 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 1: it's like who cares he's he's he's jumper. Honestly, if 262 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 1: he were spending time at clan matings, at least he 263 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 1: wouldn't be torturing people during the time. Yeah, it's yeah, 264 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 1: love love, love your police. When if he was a 265 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 1: klansman that might have been slightly better. I mean that's 266 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 1: the big thing with like this type of like liberal 267 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 1: response to the type of extremism. It's like they only 268 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 1: view it as a problem if you're like explicitly part 269 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 1: of this, you know, like it's like very obvious to 270 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 1: everyone white nationalist group, right, they can watch a cop 271 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 1: do all these horrible things that's fine, that's just a cop. 272 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 1: But if he's a clan member, then that's a problem. 273 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 1: Like they can excuse all this horrible torture and not 274 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 1: really be concerned about it. But if but if he 275 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 1: had a robots closet, then it's suddenly this big issue. 276 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 1: It's like no, like the issue is that he was 277 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 1: doing all this torture anyway, and he doesn't like this. 278 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 1: You don't need to focus on like just the like 279 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 1: just that identity, like that weird identity aspect of it. Yeah, 280 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 1: the the clan is old enough and where's a uniform 281 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 1: that is distinct enough that everybody recognizes is it as racist? 282 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 1: Even though the Chicago Police Department is actually much more 283 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 1: of a threat in terms of racism than the clan today, 284 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: uh and was at that point in time. But you know, 285 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 1: they're the cops, and if you're a suburban white liberal, 286 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 1: they're there too, you know, help help keep your lawn 287 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 1: safe or whatever. Um, So you don't you don't see 288 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 1: them as the same inherently racial organization exactly, even though 289 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 1: they are. Yeah, and even though I mean they're dragging 290 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 1: people out of their homes and like just electrocuting them, 291 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 1: like this is you know, this is this something also 292 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 1: that I was very annoyed about when I was reading 293 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 1: this was like you read a lot of this stuff 294 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 1: and then and you'll you'll get descriptions of it that 295 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 1: are like, ah, this is something that only happens in 296 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 1: the pressure regimes like Kazakhstan. It's like, have you read 297 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 1: anything of the US like this is like yeah, like 298 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 1: we have the officers over to other countries that often 299 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 1: teach their police how to do ship like this that happens. 300 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 1: But when you were describing a whole bunch of stuff 301 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 1: in the past, like you know, twenty minutes, I was 302 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 1: thinking in my head and like, oh, yeah, this is 303 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 1: just like stormtrooper ship. But the thing is it isn't 304 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 1: like this just is cop shit. And like, like the 305 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 1: thing like the fact of like elevating it in my 306 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 1: brain to it being like something other than cops is incorrect. 307 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 1: You know, like this just is police stuff. It's not 308 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 1: it's not necessarily stormtroopers ship. It's just is police ship. 309 00:16:56,680 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 1: And the fact that those things are so synonymous that 310 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 1: should be the part that's actually like upsetting is that yeah, 311 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:05,160 Speaker 1: it's actually there is really no difference, and you shouldn't 312 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 1: necessarily resort to calling its stormtrooper stuff, because it is 313 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 1: just what the police do all the time. There's this 314 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 1: whole model you see people talking about it where they 315 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:26,919 Speaker 1: talk about like like the police are using unnecessary force, 316 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 1: and like they're there there there's like a certain threshold 317 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 1: where if you go past it, like you know, sort 318 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:34,119 Speaker 1: of like like even you know, like I'm gonna I'm 319 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:35,919 Speaker 1: gonna read like that. The birch has a lot of 320 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:38,639 Speaker 1: like when when he winds up in court, like the 321 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 1: judges look at this and they're like, oh my god, 322 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:43,199 Speaker 1: this is unacceptable. How could this have happened? And you know, 323 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:45,439 Speaker 1: you get some good descriptions of it. I'm gonna this 324 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:48,199 Speaker 1: is a district judge court describing what bird is doing. 325 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 1: In the early eighties, there existed in two in the 326 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 1: City of Chicago, at factual policy practice and or a 327 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 1: custom of Chicago police officers exacting unconstitutional revenge and punishment 328 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 1: against persons who they alleged had killed her injured a 329 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 1: fellow officer. This revenge and punishment included beating, kicking, torturing, shooting, 330 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:08,439 Speaker 1: and or executing such a person for the purpose of 331 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:11,359 Speaker 1: inflicting pain to injury and punishment on that person and 332 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:13,480 Speaker 1: also for the purpose of forcing that person to make it. 333 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 1: Coupled tory statements. Exculpatory, yeah, sculptor yeah, inculpatory yeah yeah yeah. 334 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 1: You know, and you get stuff like there's there's there's 335 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:28,159 Speaker 1: an FBI report than from the chocolate tripe you're I'm 336 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 1: going to read because it's he left one bullet in 337 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:35,200 Speaker 1: the center and the cylinder and spun it. A report 338 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:38,879 Speaker 1: quoted the inmate is saying about Burge in the nine incident. 339 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 1: He then said, you talk, will blow your black EXPELTI 340 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 1: presumably the N word brains out. Burge then got up 341 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 1: from his desk, walked over to the inmate, put the 342 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:52,200 Speaker 1: muzzle of the revolver against the center of the inmate's 343 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 1: forehead and pulled the trigger. He spun the cylinder and 344 00:18:55,640 --> 00:19:01,200 Speaker 1: placed it back against his forehead and pulled the trigger again. So, yeah, 345 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 1: he's just playing Russian Roulette with people, like he's playing it. 346 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:11,479 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think. Yeah, well he's pulling up 347 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 1: one in the sixth chance of murdering them. They are 348 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 1: in terror. Uh. There's also a lot of like he 349 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 1: does like you sexually abuses people he like he going 350 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:27,719 Speaker 1: after testicles. Yeah he he like he electrocuted like well, 351 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 1: I mean he's also like is like like basically like 352 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:35,320 Speaker 1: raping people. Um, he like electrocutes a thirteen year old child. 353 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:41,359 Speaker 1: And you know this is like it's it's it's just 354 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:44,159 Speaker 1: so bleak that like, I mean, there's so there's a 355 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 1: very famous article about this by Chicago journalists called the 356 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 1: House of Screams. But you know, like like Burge isn't 357 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 1: the only guy doing this, Like one of his loyalists 358 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 1: is lieutenant like is a guy named Byron. He's like 359 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 1: in charge of the midnight shift at that the Aera 360 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 1: Tree Violent Crimes. And they become known internally as burgess 361 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:05,399 Speaker 1: ask kickers at the A Team because this is just 362 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:13,120 Speaker 1: who these people are culturally, and yeah sure sure, but yeah, 363 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:17,119 Speaker 1: um these guys start uh like putting like guns and 364 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:20,200 Speaker 1: prisoners mouths. But they have one thing where they stick 365 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:21,920 Speaker 1: a shotgun in a guy's mouth and they pull the 366 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:23,719 Speaker 1: trigger and it's not loaded, but they's like they keep 367 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 1: doing this thing. Yeah, it's it's that is by the way, 368 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 1: illegal in international law, like internationally, that is a war 369 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:35,680 Speaker 1: crime if you're military to specifically fake executions are a 370 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 1: type of torture and a a war crime under international 371 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 1: law based on treaties the United States has signed. Yeah, 372 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:45,919 Speaker 1: and and Byron also, so if he does that a lot. 373 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:48,200 Speaker 1: And then that same guy, the same guy put the 374 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 1: shotgun thing too. He apparently didn't have the box, so 375 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 1: he stripped the dude and shocked his balls with a 376 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:55,919 Speaker 1: cattle prod. And this is the guy who Lord Lightfoot 377 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:57,920 Speaker 1: sent her number two lawyer to defend in court and 378 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:03,200 Speaker 1: by arguing the torture it never happens. Yeah, that's that's 379 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:06,960 Speaker 1: that's that's ability. Yep, that's the mayor of my city. 380 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 1: Now Life Life Foot. Light Foot is on the record 381 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:14,399 Speaker 1: as saying that birds tortured over a hundred people. But 382 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 1: once it came to, you know, actually putting up or 383 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:18,880 Speaker 1: shutting up, she just goes to back for the cops. 384 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 1: And and this happens in Chicago just so many times 385 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 1: with people who used to be like who you know 386 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 1: who who in the moment I'm like, oh, bird did torture. 387 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:28,119 Speaker 1: We need to reform the police. And it's you know, 388 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:30,440 Speaker 1: the women, they get into power, they do this stuff. 389 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:33,399 Speaker 1: I mean, there there's there's much of like incredibly weird 390 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 1: stuff that happens here, Like so that the Seventh Circuit 391 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 1: Core of Appeals at one point, so saul A like 392 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 1: they saw a case over whether a one thousand dollars 393 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:51,399 Speaker 1: settlement with a torture victim was fair, and yeah, in court, 394 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:53,880 Speaker 1: it's like you read the transcas of it and it's 395 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 1: like it's it's the most brutal demolishing of like a 396 00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 1: state's argument I've ever seen. Like they're they're they're just 397 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 1: like in court asking them like okay, like we're we're 398 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 1: we're this person's judge is supposed to have like known 399 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 1: in court that he was also torturing other people. And 400 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 1: they're like it's you know, the courts just like you know, 401 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 1: they're turning him apart. And then when it comes time 402 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:18,680 Speaker 1: to decide the case, uh, the court tosses the case 403 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:24,200 Speaker 1: out inside with the state. Wow. Yeah, I don't know 404 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:31,199 Speaker 1: what's going on there. It's awful. Yep. This I mean 405 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 1: that that is the thing about the way the whole 406 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 1: system works, which is that you know, the police do 407 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:39,959 Speaker 1: horrific things. In Chicago, they torture. In Los Angeles, they 408 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 1: have Nazi gangs. You know, there's a bunch of different 409 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 1: horrible ship the police do, and then at some point 410 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:47,439 Speaker 1: the FBI and the Justice Department come in and they 411 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 1: provide incredibly They send in very talented investigators who produce 412 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 1: incredibly detailed lists of all of the things that are 413 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 1: being done. And then the court says, well, but nobody's 414 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 1: gonna get punished, or maybe this one I will get punished, 415 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 1: and then we'll go on back to doing things, and 416 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 1: that the system is supposed to work, although we're we're 417 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:07,920 Speaker 1: going to read a story about the FBI not doing 418 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:11,439 Speaker 1: that in the next episode. So yeah, I mean they 419 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:14,440 Speaker 1: don't know. We don't always get a report. Yeah, I 420 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 1: just I have become increased, Like it's very frustrating because 421 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:21,919 Speaker 1: having these FBI reports on police abuses um is useful 422 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:24,200 Speaker 1: again for talking to liberals because they tend to trust 423 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:27,159 Speaker 1: the FBI, But it's also like, boy, I've read a 424 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 1: lot of detailed FBI reports about how bad police departments are, 425 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 1: and it seems like nothing ever gets done. Like it 426 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:34,640 Speaker 1: seems like they just write a thing saying yeah, it's bad, 427 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:39,920 Speaker 1: and then everything continues forever and it's you know this 428 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 1: this case, Like so the reason we even know any 429 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 1: of this is through what I like what I will say, 430 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:51,159 Speaker 1: like the a genuinely heroic, decades long campaign run by 431 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:53,399 Speaker 1: the People's Law Office on behalf of Birdge victims and 432 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 1: these people, like they say people's lives like that there 433 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:59,200 Speaker 1: are people who Birdge tortured, who ended up on death 434 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 1: row for it. And you know, like this stuff is 435 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:04,720 Speaker 1: so bad that when it comes out, the Supreme Court 436 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:07,479 Speaker 1: does a ruling on it and it like establishes new 437 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 1: precedents for like how people can prove they've been tortured. 438 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 1: Like you know, it's so bad that like Illinois stops 439 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:15,639 Speaker 1: running the death pet like we had the death penalty 440 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:17,159 Speaker 1: and like we still tend to get ethic have it, 441 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 1: but like we just stopped doing it, like we stopped 442 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:24,200 Speaker 1: we stopped executing people because like a Republican governor like 443 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 1: on air, gave a giant thing about how this system 444 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:31,960 Speaker 1: was broken and like this is this is John Ryan, right, 445 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 1: like this is a man who like he he is 446 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:36,680 Speaker 1: like this is a man who was corrupted by the 447 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 1: standards of of of an Illinois politician. And even he 448 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 1: like on the air, is like, yeah, this is like 449 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:45,399 Speaker 1: you know that this is this is broken. He he 450 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 1: pardons the Burge victims and in nine three, faced with 451 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,440 Speaker 1: just irrefutable evidence of torture and ruling multiple higher ports, 452 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 1: higher courts, the Police board finally released a report, although 453 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 1: the report also doesn't call it torture and is a 454 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 1: disaster that they finally have Burge fired and some of 455 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:06,639 Speaker 1: his colleagues who were also torturing people get suspended for 456 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:11,119 Speaker 1: fifteen months. But Burge isn't prosecuted for, you know, the 457 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 1: crimes that we have multiple reports of him doing until 458 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 1: two after the victims literally go to the United Nations 459 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 1: with a campaign and go in front of the United 460 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:23,400 Speaker 1: Nations and talk about how they are being systemically tortured 461 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:25,919 Speaker 1: by the Chicogo Police Department. But of course by two 462 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 1: the statute of limitations on his crimes had run out, 463 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:30,840 Speaker 1: so uh, he winds up going to jail for three 464 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:34,359 Speaker 1: statue of limitations on torture. Yeah, that's definitely one of 465 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 1: the ones we should have a cap on. Yeah, definitely, 466 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,480 Speaker 1: it's great. It's it's it's a great system. Um. I'm 467 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:41,399 Speaker 1: going to read something from the Chogol Tribune that was 468 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,600 Speaker 1: a description of of this uh quote. While the jury 469 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:48,160 Speaker 1: was out, Burge, still unrepentant, allegedly asked the courtroom reserve 470 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 1: or whether he thought the jury would quote believe a 471 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:56,879 Speaker 1: bunch of n words. Wow, awesome, Yeah, it's great bridge. 472 00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,480 Speaker 1: Bridge tortured at least a hundred and twenty five people. 473 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:01,879 Speaker 1: That's almost certainly an under account. Under twenty five is 474 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,840 Speaker 1: the number of people who we have who have come forward. 475 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 1: A lot of those people probably have, like people he tortured, 476 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:11,360 Speaker 1: have probably died by now. Um, yeah, I mean yeah, 477 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:13,640 Speaker 1: you'll never will never get an accurate account of all 478 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,639 Speaker 1: the people who were Yeah, and and Burge died of 479 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:30,119 Speaker 1: freeman and has never served a day for his actual crimes. Now, now, 480 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:32,399 Speaker 1: burg and his crew are the most famous of the 481 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 1: eighties and seventies and eighties torturers, but they're by no 482 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:37,479 Speaker 1: means the earth the only one. And we're gonna talk 483 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,639 Speaker 1: about one more in this torture section. Uh if you 484 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:44,680 Speaker 1: do you know Richard Zuli? Mm hmm okay, so yeah, 485 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:47,639 Speaker 1: Zuli's Zulie is the one that people tend not to know. Um. 486 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,359 Speaker 1: Zuli was also a Vietnam War vet, and he becomes 487 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:54,160 Speaker 1: a detective in nineteen Um, what's interesting about him? Zuli 488 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,440 Speaker 1: is never part of burgess cadre. Right, Burgess Cadres working 489 00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,359 Speaker 1: out very at they're on the south side. They're in 490 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 1: an over black part of the outside. Zuli works in 491 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,480 Speaker 1: areas three and six on the north side. You know 492 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 1: what what what I what need to mention off the 493 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 1: bat is that Zuli is no less racist than Burge is. 494 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:11,879 Speaker 1: He wants to rest in a black dude for just 495 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 1: like having a car and wearing a watch and like 496 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:19,200 Speaker 1: like those are both felonies in the City of Chicago. Right, Well, 497 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,520 Speaker 1: if you famously never know what time it is because 498 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 1: you're a law abiding citizen, Yeah, well it law abiding 499 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,440 Speaker 1: cit isn't And also don't be black while doing this 500 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 1: because yeah, he throws him in a cell. Yeah, well 501 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,120 Speaker 1: it gets it gets you, Zuli screaming no end word 502 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 1: is supposed to live like this? Oh boy, oh boy, 503 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:44,879 Speaker 1: it's you know we we people like talk about cops 504 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,200 Speaker 1: doing stuff for that reason, but it's it's, you know, 505 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 1: they're so racist. Just get a direct quote. Yeah, like 506 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 1: I can't emphasize it, Like they're just they're so racist. 507 00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,920 Speaker 1: It's like ingrained into the like the cop d NA. Yeah, 508 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,600 Speaker 1: they're just saying the loud part loud. Yeah, Like they're 509 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:05,680 Speaker 1: just scrimmy like that we're gonna do with one of 510 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:07,639 Speaker 1: the things the next episode is the cops will just 511 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:09,679 Speaker 1: drive around like blasting the end, we're out of their 512 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 1: out of their like cops stereos. Because yeah, now, Zuli 513 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 1: in a lot of ways, is a more modern torture 514 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,439 Speaker 1: than burdges. You know, Birch is very big on your 515 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,480 Speaker 1: like overt physical violence, right, you're beating your execution and suffocation. 516 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,200 Speaker 1: The problem with these techniques from a torture of perspective 517 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 1: that they leave incredibly obvious marks. And you know, this 518 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,480 Speaker 1: is how birde goes down, right, It's it's too obvious 519 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:33,159 Speaker 1: what he's doing. There are people who can just like 520 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:35,320 Speaker 1: show up to a court and be like, hey, look 521 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 1: at my neck, like here all these burns. Zuli is 522 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 1: much smarter about it. Um, you know she. I mean, 523 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 1: she does some beatings because cops are literally animals and 524 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 1: are incapable of resisting the urge to beat the living 525 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,560 Speaker 1: share of anyone who falls into their grasp. But you know, 526 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,240 Speaker 1: mostly what he does is he does things like he'll 527 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 1: just shackle someone to a wall for twenty four hours, 528 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 1: and you know, and he'll be like, okay, like I'm 529 00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 1: gonna shock you to this wall and until you sign 530 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,040 Speaker 1: this confession, I won't let you leave. And also you 531 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:01,560 Speaker 1: can't talk to anyone. You can't talk to a layer, 532 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 1: you can't talk to uh, like you can't talk to 533 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 1: your family. And in the next episode we see this. 534 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,360 Speaker 1: This is how modern CPD torture works, except zuli Is 535 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 1: doing this in like the eighties. Now. Zuli Is is 536 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 1: a naval intelligence officer who's so he's still technically in 537 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 1: the reserves, which he joins the cops. And that meant 538 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,920 Speaker 1: when the CIA's torture is like Autnomo bas stalled out, 539 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 1: they needed a hero and that hero was zuli Um. 540 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 1: Zuli Is was the most active. Like that the thing 541 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:33,080 Speaker 1: is the most active in is the torture of Mohammadu 542 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:36,040 Speaker 1: Old Sali, who is famously known as the most tortured 543 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:41,560 Speaker 1: manic guatanamo. Um he's yeah, at least he gotten a guinness. 544 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:47,040 Speaker 1: Yeah he yeah. They do sleep deprivation. I mean they 545 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 1: so some of it's like the standards sort of like 546 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:51,880 Speaker 1: get most stuff, which is like they don't let you sleep. 547 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 1: They blast like sounds until your cell all the time. 548 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:58,720 Speaker 1: They like beat you. There's molestations and but there's also 549 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:00,920 Speaker 1: stuff that's like like you know, the tharnt of attack 550 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,560 Speaker 1: my dogs, but like the whole do things like like 551 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 1: he'll like soap people, like get soaked in ice water, 552 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 1: or like they stuffed him in this like straight jacket 553 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 1: thing that didn't let him breathe properly and then stuffed 554 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 1: it full of ice. And then Zuli also, yeah, yeah, 555 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 1: it's it's it's bad. And he also like threatens to 556 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 1: kidnap his mother and have resent to Guantanamo to be 557 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:28,720 Speaker 1: raped because these people are again jazz monsters. And yeah, 558 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,920 Speaker 1: Zuli is still alive today and romes the street as 559 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 1: a freeman, having received literally no consequences whatsoever for being 560 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 1: a torturer. So good in the CPD that the CIA 561 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 1: was like, we're gonna bring this guy into the torture. 562 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:46,680 Speaker 1: That's great, it's great. It's ye yep. And and that 563 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:52,280 Speaker 1: that that brings us to our first interlude, which is 564 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,480 Speaker 1: every year Chicago police officers go to the grave of 565 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,800 Speaker 1: the deputy chairman of the Black Panther Party, Fred Hampton, 566 00:30:57,880 --> 00:30:59,959 Speaker 1: who they assassinated in a police rate after drugging him 567 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,520 Speaker 1: ninety nine um. They go to his grave to shoot 568 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:06,360 Speaker 1: his fucking tombstone. They do this literally every year, their families. 569 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 1: They keep getting your tombstones. They shoot them every they 570 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 1: shoot them every year. It just doesn't matter. Uh, the 571 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 1: CPD just keeps shooting it. And there's a quote from 572 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,280 Speaker 1: the Great Tree to Daddy and marchis historian C. L. R. James, 573 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,400 Speaker 1: and I think about a lot that goes when history 574 00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 1: is written as it ought to be written. It is 575 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 1: the moderation and long patients of the masses at which 576 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:28,960 Speaker 1: people will will wonder, not their ferocity. Yep. I really 577 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:33,640 Speaker 1: hope there's a moment of people doing things to cops 578 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 1: that makes generations in the future marvel at their ferocity. Yeah. 579 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,960 Speaker 1: I think I can say that without it legally being incitement. Yes. 580 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,440 Speaker 1: I'll make one other fun note, which is that five 581 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 1: Chicago police officers died last year from COVID. So that's good. Yeah, 582 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,960 Speaker 1: let's make it fifty Officer Dowd. Look, they're working on it. 583 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,440 Speaker 1: They don't they won't wear masks. Vacinated critical support to 584 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,600 Speaker 1: the Chicago police who don't wear masks. Ye, they're they're they're, 585 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,680 Speaker 1: they're they're they're they're having their Lease Academy exams in person. Now, 586 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:07,840 Speaker 1: oh that's good, that's fine, you know, critical support. Yeah, 587 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,480 Speaker 1: it's spent more time indoors together without masks. Guys, avoid 588 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:20,240 Speaker 1: those vaxes. Yeah yeah, great, will happen. Okay, So story two, 589 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:25,120 Speaker 1: which is a shorter one, but no less bleak, I think. 590 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:31,760 Speaker 1: On October fourteen, officer Jason van Dyke fired sixteen shots 591 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,880 Speaker 1: at Lakwen McDonald, who had turned around and was walking 592 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 1: away from him. Here's from the people of the state 593 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 1: of Illinois. Walking away aggressively, Chris, Yeah, oh boy, violently exiting. Yeah, 594 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 1: I walking away while black, which I guess in the 595 00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:53,680 Speaker 1: minds of like half of the United States, is someone 596 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,440 Speaker 1: a court defended legal right to shoot people in the 597 00:32:56,480 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 1: back who are trying to its Yeah, yeah, great country, 598 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,800 Speaker 1: We're nailing it. From from the Chicago Tribune and analysis 599 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:06,720 Speaker 1: of the video and this is this is from the 600 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,880 Speaker 1: court case, but in thee an analysis of the video 601 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,280 Speaker 1: establishes that fourteen to fifteen seconds passed from the time 602 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:17,280 Speaker 1: the defendants Van Dyke fired his first shot to clear 603 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,760 Speaker 1: visual confirmation of the final shot. For approximately thirteen of 604 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:24,280 Speaker 1: those seconds, McDonald is lying on the ground, so he 605 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,520 Speaker 1: he fires literally every bullet in he's gone at a 606 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:31,520 Speaker 1: man who is, by those like second shots lying dead, 607 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:33,400 Speaker 1: like well he's not quite dead yet, but like lying 608 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:37,960 Speaker 1: on the ground. It's just Yeah, from the cops perspective, 609 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:41,000 Speaker 1: like why not like that? That's like, that's like like 610 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,440 Speaker 1: they have the ability to do that if they get 611 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,840 Speaker 1: the chance, Oh I get to kill a black person 612 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,800 Speaker 1: and it doesn't matter, then why, like you know, that's 613 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:50,760 Speaker 1: like if you if you you have to you have 614 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:56,080 Speaker 1: to think through like what they're actually processing this as. 615 00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,080 Speaker 1: And they don't see them as like a they don't 616 00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:00,600 Speaker 1: see them as like an equivalent human life. So it 617 00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:04,200 Speaker 1: doesn't like it's it's they don't. It doesn't you can't 618 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:08,239 Speaker 1: like apply the same rules of civility that like we 619 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:12,000 Speaker 1: should all kind of agree upon because cops have such 620 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,839 Speaker 1: a higher hierarchical viewpoint that with them at the top, 621 00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:19,279 Speaker 1: that they can never actually exist within any kind of 622 00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:25,280 Speaker 1: humane society. That's why again unspeakable ferocity of the masses 623 00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:30,239 Speaker 1: fingers crossed one day. Yeah, yeah, well you know, and 624 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:34,239 Speaker 1: I think the thing, you know, Okay, so look, if 625 00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:36,840 Speaker 1: this is the price of liberal democracy, right, if if 626 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:38,520 Speaker 1: you're going to if you're going to live in a 627 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:42,520 Speaker 1: society that has like you know that that where laws 628 00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:44,320 Speaker 1: are enforced by the police, the police are going to 629 00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:46,760 Speaker 1: murder people. Like that's that that that's what you're signing 630 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,120 Speaker 1: on for. And I think that I think that's an 631 00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:53,480 Speaker 1: absolutely unacceptable price. And but we shouldn't do this. Um now. 632 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,200 Speaker 1: The other aspect of this is because you have to 633 00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:01,839 Speaker 1: keep all of these just absolutely like just bloodthirsty burderers 634 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,879 Speaker 1: on the leash. And because also all the people who 635 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:08,720 Speaker 1: are actually in the governments are just genuinely the asplicable 636 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:12,920 Speaker 1: human beings. Uh, immediately after I mean like really before 637 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,480 Speaker 1: the shots have stopped firing, like there's a cover up 638 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,800 Speaker 1: that stretches from like includes everyone from the officers on 639 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:20,640 Speaker 1: the scene all the way up to may Ram Emmanuel. 640 00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:24,000 Speaker 1: So for example, mysteriously none of the multiple dashboard cameras 641 00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,239 Speaker 1: on the scene we're recording audio for reasons only the 642 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:30,880 Speaker 1: discerning listener can guess at yep, like everyone across the 643 00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,239 Speaker 1: entire chain of command again going right up to the 644 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,399 Speaker 1: Mayor's office immediately goes we we cannot let this video 645 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:40,560 Speaker 1: get out because it's it's so bad that even the 646 00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:44,480 Speaker 1: CPD is like, this is gonna look bad for us, 647 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,160 Speaker 1: because the thing gets out, then people will want to 648 00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:49,800 Speaker 1: do bad things to cops and they can't have that. 649 00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:55,680 Speaker 1: And you know, so this this, this, this, this tape 650 00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:59,040 Speaker 1: is concealed for over a year until the journalist Brandon 651 00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:03,320 Speaker 1: Smith like literally gets a like sues them and literally 652 00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,880 Speaker 1: gets the judge to like order the state to release it. 653 00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,080 Speaker 1: And while this is going on that the cops are 654 00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:11,040 Speaker 1: doing this massive pr blitz featuring this just like incredible 655 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:14,600 Speaker 1: pack of racist lies, including that McDonald had lunge forage 656 00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:16,360 Speaker 1: yet Van Dyke with a knife. No, he didn't, he 657 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,200 Speaker 1: was literally walking away from them. That McDonald had a gun, 658 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:22,120 Speaker 1: which is inititing one because not only like they didn't 659 00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:24,400 Speaker 1: even have time to like plant like they killed him 660 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:25,839 Speaker 1: so fast, they didn't have time to plant a gun 661 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,840 Speaker 1: on him, like there's no gun. But the multiple officers 662 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:30,879 Speaker 1: will are are like you can you can find news 663 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:32,400 Speaker 1: things of them talking about how this guy, oh, he 664 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,279 Speaker 1: had a gun. It's like there's no gun. Um. Yeah. 665 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:37,960 Speaker 1: The classic one is that like Van Dyke feared for 666 00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:42,000 Speaker 1: his life and uh no he didn't. He probably should now, 667 00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:45,439 Speaker 1: but he does not. Yeah, he should never. He should 668 00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:48,680 Speaker 1: never live awaking or sleeping moments where he's not in 669 00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:52,200 Speaker 1: constant fear of someone cutting his head off, just as 670 00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:53,880 Speaker 1: like in terms of the hoard or that should be 671 00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:57,319 Speaker 1: imbued inside people who do these things, they should never 672 00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:59,400 Speaker 1: like they shouldn't be able to like sit down and 673 00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:03,040 Speaker 1: be comfort bowl. The closest we've ever gotten into justice 674 00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,560 Speaker 1: for one of these guys is when that mobs surrounded uh, 675 00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:11,240 Speaker 1: Derek Chauvin's house and it would have been actual justice 676 00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:16,120 Speaker 1: if they had gotten through the door. Yep, yeah, it's yeah, 677 00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,239 Speaker 1: so you know all and the ever like so there's 678 00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:21,640 Speaker 1: there's there's this huge coterie of cops. We're all just 679 00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,279 Speaker 1: lying about this. They're lying in the press. They're lying 680 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:26,600 Speaker 1: just there lying. They they start they lie like on 681 00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:30,360 Speaker 1: the stand um and you know, the strategy works for 682 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:33,080 Speaker 1: a while because his country is just the racistellhole until 683 00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:35,719 Speaker 1: the court forces him to release the video. And when 684 00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:37,319 Speaker 1: it becomes clear of the video is going to come out, 685 00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:39,880 Speaker 1: the state immediately charges him like they charged him and 686 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,000 Speaker 1: then later that day they released a video. Now, now 687 00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,200 Speaker 1: keep this in mind, they had this video for a 688 00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:49,359 Speaker 1: fucking year. What it's all, it's all fake and you know, yeah, 689 00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:51,640 Speaker 1: and they only charged him with the alternative was literally 690 00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:53,640 Speaker 1: being run into the Sea by an entire mob of 691 00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:57,399 Speaker 1: the literally the entire population of Chicago. Um so van 692 00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:59,799 Speaker 1: Dyke suspended without pay, right, but he immediately gets hired 693 00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:03,520 Speaker 1: by the by the police union. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that 694 00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:07,720 Speaker 1: makes sense. Yeah, and and Van Dyke Van Dyke. Eventually, 695 00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:09,719 Speaker 1: I mean, he goes down. Eventually he gets convicted of 696 00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,880 Speaker 1: you know, second green murder and sixteen counts of amated battery. 697 00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:15,360 Speaker 1: But you know, there's a there's a later report that 698 00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,200 Speaker 1: describes the involvement of sixteen other officers in the cover up. 699 00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:21,600 Speaker 1: U Four officers were eventually fired for lying about the case, 700 00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:23,880 Speaker 1: three were tried for the cover up and acquitted, and 701 00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,440 Speaker 1: four officers were given a one week suspension for the 702 00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:32,719 Speaker 1: mysterious lack of camera audio. Honestly, more that more than 703 00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:36,400 Speaker 1: usually happens expected. Yeah, well, I mean this is like 704 00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,480 Speaker 1: this video is so bad that like this video is 705 00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,279 Speaker 1: so I mean, raw Emmanuel doesn't really, I mean, he 706 00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:44,560 Speaker 1: that the consequence he suffers is that he decides not 707 00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:46,960 Speaker 1: to run again because it will be bad for him. 708 00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:51,480 Speaker 1: But Raw Emmanuel is currently now that his his consequence 709 00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:55,879 Speaker 1: is that he's the American ambassador to Japan and death. 710 00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:57,959 Speaker 1: You know, I I will also say this, The people 711 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:01,160 Speaker 1: of Japan do not deserve raw Emmanuel. The Liberal Democratic Party, 712 00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:02,840 Speaker 1: on the other hand, are maybe the only people on 713 00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:05,120 Speaker 1: earth who actually deserve him. Like, if you didn't want 714 00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:07,360 Speaker 1: us to palm rob Mammanuel off on you, you shouldn't 715 00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:08,880 Speaker 1: have taken all that CIA money in the fifties and 716 00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:12,120 Speaker 1: sixties and let them run your political campaigns. So Liberal 717 00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:16,799 Speaker 1: Democratic Party lie down with dogs, get fleas um. But yeah, 718 00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,200 Speaker 1: Jason van Dyke was released from prison two weeks ago 719 00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:26,680 Speaker 1: after serving less than half a sentence. Mcwam McDonald's remains dead. Yeah. 720 00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,960 Speaker 1: The really depressing part is that that is more consequences 721 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:35,480 Speaker 1: than usually ever happens, and that that only happened because of, 722 00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,560 Speaker 1: you know, like an incredible amount of organization. And like 723 00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:40,840 Speaker 1: I think of all of the times where there is 724 00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:42,520 Speaker 1: no video. I think of all the times where there's 725 00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:45,960 Speaker 1: nothing and things just happened, no one watches it, and 726 00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:50,000 Speaker 1: then dead bodies get kicked into a ditch yum And 727 00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:53,279 Speaker 1: that's way more common than anything where there's type of 728 00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:55,439 Speaker 1: like recordings or even where there needs to be cover ups. 729 00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,640 Speaker 1: You know, you you both are probably too young for 730 00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:00,720 Speaker 1: this movie. But in one of the trains formers movies 731 00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:06,600 Speaker 1: after they beat all the bad transformers. Okay, where the 732 00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,879 Speaker 1: navy lifts them all up and drops them into the sea. Yes, 733 00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,640 Speaker 1: what if we did that with the Chicago Police department. 734 00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,600 Speaker 1: Just drop them in the sea, big old, big old 735 00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:20,440 Speaker 1: them up, drop him in the sea. Now we put 736 00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,160 Speaker 1: them in a bag. There's no swimming. Okay, that's fair. Look, 737 00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:27,719 Speaker 1: look they one one, they get one bag individual, Each 738 00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:29,880 Speaker 1: individual gets one bag for each bag they put over 739 00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:32,279 Speaker 1: someone's head and strangled them with. I think that's fair, 740 00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:37,160 Speaker 1: and then right into the sea and solves all problems. 741 00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:40,799 Speaker 1: The blessing like I do, I do genuinely want to say, 742 00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:44,080 Speaker 1: is that like if if you read the story over 743 00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:46,479 Speaker 1: and over and over and over again, you get people 744 00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:48,759 Speaker 1: who are like you get the governor going like the 745 00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:51,000 Speaker 1: system is fundamentally broken to must reformat. You get the 746 00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,560 Speaker 1: courts saying the system is fundamentally broken and bust reformat 747 00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:57,719 Speaker 1: and it never changes. They just keep killing people, they 748 00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:01,479 Speaker 1: keep inslaving people, they keep doing like, they keep troaturing people, 749 00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:05,000 Speaker 1: they keep murdering people, they keep raving people, and this 750 00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,560 Speaker 1: will not end until you abolish the police, Like there 751 00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:12,239 Speaker 1: is no alternative if you if your car is fun 752 00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:16,200 Speaker 1: is broken on a fundamental level, you can't you can't 753 00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:18,920 Speaker 1: reform your car to make it better. There's a certain 754 00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,359 Speaker 1: point where it's total and you're like, well, I guess 755 00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:24,800 Speaker 1: that kind of It's like Asian block is shattered and 756 00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,480 Speaker 1: you're like, we fixes the tires, so it ought to 757 00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:30,719 Speaker 1: go now. No, it's like if it's broken on the 758 00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:34,040 Speaker 1: fundamental level, you can't reform it. Those words like those 759 00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:38,120 Speaker 1: words don't go together, yea, Like throw out, throw out 760 00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:41,400 Speaker 1: your car and build a train. That's that's what you 761 00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:49,640 Speaker 1: have to do. Walk to get a bicycle, honestly, Like, yeah, 762 00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,120 Speaker 1: I stuck a bottle onto the rail of my a 763 00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,560 Speaker 1: R fifteen, so it's not a gun anymore. Like no, 764 00:41:54,840 --> 00:42:01,560 Speaker 1: it's it's still is gone. Yea. This is really really 765 00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:07,320 Speaker 1: sad um and it's good stuff. Pretty depressing. Um. Anyway, 766 00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:09,879 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go watch two thousand Eights The Dark Night 767 00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:15,880 Speaker 1: and feel, uh, feel great about myself. Yeah, all right, 768 00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,200 Speaker 1: Well that's gonna do it for us that it could 769 00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:23,680 Speaker 1: happen here today until next time. Uh. I hope that 770 00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:28,000 Speaker 1: more Chicago police officers get COVID there there is that 771 00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:30,320 Speaker 1: there's that fun scene in the Dark Night where the 772 00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:33,719 Speaker 1: joker goes into the Chicago Police building and blows up 773 00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:36,040 Speaker 1: the prison block with all those cops inside. That is 774 00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:44,399 Speaker 1: that is a fun scene. Yeah. Anyway, Um, It Could 775 00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:46,719 Speaker 1: Happen Here is a production of cool Zone Media. 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