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Speaker 1: Do do, Hey, Elizabeth Dunton, Oh hey, what's up? You

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Speaker 1: know what's ridiculous? I do. Ok, enthusiastic about it. Hit

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Speaker 1: That was so emo that my hair just laid flat

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Speaker 1: about absurd and outrageous capers, heights and cons. It's always

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Speaker 1: Oh my God, okay, Elizabeth, skyjacking, it's still on. You

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Speaker 1: So you're inside the airport, not having to deal with

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Speaker 1: to be flown to Europe, preferably to Sweden, Denmarker, Spain,

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Speaker 1: somewhere where he can be a political exile and live

421
00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:26,159
Speaker 1: out a nice, luxurious life. And he also wants to

422
00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:28,760
Speaker 1: talk to President Richard Nixon about the state of the country.

423
00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:32,959
Speaker 1: So the negotiators, they're like okay, yeah, well, we'll do it, man,

424
00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:35,960
Speaker 1: and he's like oh great, great, next on the phone. Right.

425
00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:39,080
Speaker 1: So this guy is so messy. So this guy, jacker,

426
00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:42,240
Speaker 1: he lets the flight crew get ready. He's like okay,

427
00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:43,800
Speaker 1: you guys can get off. Ring on the other ones,

428
00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:45,960
Speaker 1: he's like gets you stay behind, I want you to

429
00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,280
Speaker 1: check them for weapons. Right. So you and your taxi

430
00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:50,159
Speaker 1: cab driver, you're listening to all of this on the

431
00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:51,840
Speaker 1: car radio you got. The two of you were talking.

432
00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:53,680
Speaker 1: What do you think is gonna Happen? You know, I

433
00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:55,719
Speaker 1: was on that plane. He's like get out, you all right.

434
00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:59,000
Speaker 1: So meanwhile the four t w a flight crew, they're

435
00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:02,000
Speaker 1: approaching your form. We're a plane and trapped. Miel skyjacker,

436
00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:04,879
Speaker 1: he's told. Co Pilot, hand gets checking for weapons. So,

437
00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:08,480
Speaker 1: as gets recalls, quote, there was about four guys that

438
00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:11,040
Speaker 1: came up. I recognized two of them as our company pilots.

439
00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:13,760
Speaker 1: The other two I didn't. That's because the other two

440
00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:17,080
Speaker 1: are FBI agents. So at that point trapnel, he's standing

441
00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:19,280
Speaker 1: in the cockpit, he's got his Ruger on the pilots

442
00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:21,320
Speaker 1: and gets. He's doing as he's told. He searched the

443
00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:23,879
Speaker 1: flight crew for weapons. Trapping the lowers his guard, but

444
00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:26,800
Speaker 1: he can still send something's not quite right. Now we

445
00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:29,000
Speaker 1: cut to an undercovery FBI agent, the man with the

446
00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:31,280
Speaker 1: gun in his hand, who will tell you how this

447
00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:34,560
Speaker 1: all plays out. And I quote. A couple of T

448
00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,520
Speaker 1: W A employees, myself and a flight attendant, gotten a

449
00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:40,159
Speaker 1: station wagon and drove in trapnel's direction, drove out to

450
00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:42,160
Speaker 1: the tarmac. He wanted our hands up and he wanted

451
00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:43,879
Speaker 1: to see that we did not have anything. Well, I

452
00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:46,199
Speaker 1: had my standard FBI issue, which is a Smith and

453
00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:49,000
Speaker 1: Wesson six shot revolver model ten. I don't fly or

454
00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:50,679
Speaker 1: blend and I don't want to get stuck in the cockpit,

455
00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:53,560
Speaker 1: trying to fumb around there and he'd realize something's up.

456
00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:55,639
Speaker 1: At the top of the steps, I look in and

457
00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:57,680
Speaker 1: I could see trapnel half in and half out of

458
00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:01,720
Speaker 1: the cockpit. So that's where we are now. TRAPNEL's gun

459
00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,639
Speaker 1: hand falls to his side. The undercover FBI agents sees this.

460
00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:07,760
Speaker 1: That's his move. I could tell he was saying, wait,

461
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,440
Speaker 1: something's wrong here, something's wrong. When that happened, I took

462
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:12,960
Speaker 1: one step in and open fired off and he just starts.

463
00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:15,240
Speaker 1: He's got these two pilots in a cockpit, a guy

464
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:17,760
Speaker 1: between him and the two pilots, and he starts letting

465
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 1: him have it. He puts three into the cockpit. They

466
00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:23,919
Speaker 1: all luckily hit. Trapedell, the traveler, gets hit in the arm.

467
00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:27,760
Speaker 1: He shouts, I'm shot. Luckily he has a cast. Exactly.

468
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:31,560
Speaker 1: He's already medically ready. He spins around, collapses of the

469
00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:35,200
Speaker 1: floor of the plane. Hostage crisis is over. No one

470
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:38,680
Speaker 1: has lost their life. Welcome to the Seventies. So that's

471
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:41,679
Speaker 1: seventies style skyjacking. Now, Elizabeth, if you can believe it,

472
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:45,639
Speaker 1: this story of Gary Trapnell, the skyjacker. This was probably

473
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:47,960
Speaker 1: one of the more mundane stories of his life. This

474
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:50,520
Speaker 1: is not even the most exciting story of that I'm

475
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:54,439
Speaker 1: about to tell you, because although you make your Tina

476
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:58,359
Speaker 1: Turner Concert Daniel, there's still a lot more for you

477
00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:00,680
Speaker 1: to learn about this Gary Trapnel, and it starts coming

478
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,359
Speaker 1: out in the news. So Dude's government name, as I

479
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,439
Speaker 1: told you, Garrett Brock Trapnell. Well, it turns out, as

480
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 1: you soon learned, he comes from a family that is

481
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,480
Speaker 1: a very famous family, especially if you're in the navy.

482
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:15,040
Speaker 1: His mother, she was old Massachusetts Wealth Right, so she

483
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:17,119
Speaker 1: had money. But that's not the story that gives a

484
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:21,200
Speaker 1: family the if you will. His father's family was a

485
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,800
Speaker 1: truly impressive side, and his father comes from Navy stock.

486
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 1: His cousin, for instance, Admiral Frederick Trapnell, was the first

487
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,720
Speaker 1: navy airman to ever fly a jet aircraft. Yeah, he

488
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:37,119
Speaker 1: flew the Experimental Bell XP. He's also a member of

489
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:39,640
Speaker 1: the three flying fishes, which was the predecessor to the

490
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,879
Speaker 1: blue angels. So this guy's like a badass pilot right.

491
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:46,119
Speaker 1: His uncle was general Thomas Trapnell. He was a distinguished

492
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:49,160
Speaker 1: officer in the army and he survived the baton death March.

493
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,359
Speaker 1: He was later an adviser in Vietnam he told Kennedy

494
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,560
Speaker 1: personally like we should not go into Vietnam. Obviously Kennedy

495
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:59,000
Speaker 1: did not listen to him. Gary Trapnell's father was also

496
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:02,320
Speaker 1: a graduate of a NAP Palis and uh Walter Trapnell,

497
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,400
Speaker 1: but was not like his father, his uncle's or cousins.

498
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:07,240
Speaker 1: He was something of a narrative. Well, he was kicked

499
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,359
Speaker 1: out of the navy after he was discovered to be

500
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 1: running a Bordello and the Panama Canal Zone place to

501
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 1: be running that little number. So his parents get divorced.

502
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,200
Speaker 1: After this whole thing plays out, Gary Trap will gets

503
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 1: sent to live with his mother's family in Boston, the

504
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 1: wealthy side, but they are fighting all the time. It's

505
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 1: a terrible environment for kids. So he gets sent to

506
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 1: live with his father down in the Panama Canal Zone

507
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 1: in the in the Bordello. So He's eleven years old

508
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 1: living get a Bordela with his father in the Panama

509
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 1: Canal Zone. A year later father passes away. Young Gary

510
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,160
Speaker 1: has turned out into the world in Panama. He then

511
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,120
Speaker 1: goes with what he knows. He moves into a brothel

512
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:45,160
Speaker 1: in called House of love in Panama City. So He's twelve.

513
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:49,640
Speaker 1: Twelve years old living in a brothel. He's he then

514
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,119
Speaker 1: spends the next couple of years, his teen years, growing

515
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,200
Speaker 1: up in this hot bed of crime and he becomes

516
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 1: a six foot tall, medium billed high school dropout. Now

517
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,119
Speaker 1: and at age seventeen, he returns to America. He it's

518
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,640
Speaker 1: into the family business, the military. He joins the army.

519
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,439
Speaker 1: He's out in Fort Hood. One of his uncles is

520
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,200
Speaker 1: like the commanding officer of Fort Hood. Should be good,

521
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,719
Speaker 1: but his uncle basically just constantly harasses him. He eventually

522
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,400
Speaker 1: gets drubbed out of the army. So now you're twenty

523
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,159
Speaker 1: years old. It's the late nineteen fifties. What are you

524
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,920
Speaker 1: going to do to make a living for yourself? Twenty

525
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:23,119
Speaker 1: years old, nineteen fifties, booted out of the I don't know.

526
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 1: He starts running guns for Fidel Castro. Of course right.

527
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 1: I know how to pilot a boat, I know what

528
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 1: a gun is done deal. So that's his occupation for

529
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,400
Speaker 1: a while until he gets caught by the Bautista government,

530
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:37,639
Speaker 1: and then it does not go well. He gets tried,

531
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:41,440
Speaker 1: sentenced to death, brought before the firing squad. Firing squad,

532
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 1: they aimed their rifles at him, they lower an aim him,

533
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 1: they all ready to fire. Squeeze their triggers, nothing comes

534
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 1: out because the guns are not loaded. It was to

535
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 1: scare him. So he survives this, but they're even given

536
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,160
Speaker 1: the order to fire. I mean it was like he's

537
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 1: like Captain Trauma. How much can you live through? Exactly?

538
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:01,639
Speaker 1: Starting to starting to catch up. Okay, so trapnel. At

539
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 1: this point he's like, you know what, I'm gonna get

540
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:04,920
Speaker 1: out of gun running. I'm gonna get into something a

541
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 1: little safer, like stick up work. So he becomes a

542
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 1: stick up man. He finds his dude, Edgar Flurry, and

543
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,639
Speaker 1: he and Edgar flury they hit up little towns in

544
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 1: New Mexico, Iowa, Maryland. Apparently they don't have a map.

545
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,239
Speaker 1: They're just bouncing all over the country and uh, you know,

546
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,400
Speaker 1: in Iowa they get caught in des Moine. They are

547
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 1: dressed up as tramps. They are robbing a finance firms

548
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 1: like Hobos, like they're like Hobos like style, like we

549
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:37,119
Speaker 1: put trains. I've got a bendle. Yeah, no, not like

550
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 1: sluts or anything like. Not that kind of Hobos, tramps, right.

551
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 1: So they tie the tide these employees shoelaces together and

552
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 1: then that that's their way to escape because the employees

553
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 1: can't chase them. So they get known as the shoestring bandits.

554
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 1: That's his name at that time. But he, as I

555
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 1: told you, he soon gets caught and at this point

556
00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:00,200
Speaker 1: his life takes a major turn. TRAVENEL meets with his

557
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 1: lawyer and I quote, a lawyer came up to me

558
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 1: and he said you're going to prison for twenty years

559
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 1: or you can go to the State Hospital if you

560
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 1: plead not guilty by reason of insanity. So I went

561
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,199
Speaker 1: to the State Hospital and I dug the whole action.

562
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 1: I read more damn books on Psychiatry and psychology than

563
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 1: probably any psychology student will in any school in the world.

564
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 1: So he decides he's going to become an expert in

565
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:28,160
Speaker 1: being insane. He becomes criminally insane. So this works out

566
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,119
Speaker 1: really well for him. He gets sent to a mental

567
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,640
Speaker 1: hospital for one year. When, after his trial, his partner,

568
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 1: Ed Fleury, he gets twenty years for armed robbery. So

569
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 1: He's like, Oh, this bet, this is this is the

570
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 1: move right. So at this point trading creates a whole

571
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 1: new m O for himself, and not only that, he

572
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 1: also creates a criminal alter ego. A guy named Greg Ross.

573
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 1: This play works between nineteen sixty nine. He gets arrested

574
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 1: for car theft, armed robbery, forgery, just a raft of

575
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 1: crimes right each time he avoids jail by just pleading

576
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 1: insanity and then he goes to a man a hospital

577
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 1: for about a year. Sometimes he just walks out of

578
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 1: the mental hospital. They don't even care, like three months

579
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 1: and he's like I'm out of here. Guys like the

580
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 1: criminally insane just lets him stroll on out. They're not

581
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 1: like a jail. Basically, they're like we're a hospital bro.

582
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 1: So he keeps up the study psychology and psychiatry and

583
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 1: he becomes really quite the expert and, and I quote,

584
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 1: it's a classic Doctor Jekyll and Mr Hyde situation. The

585
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 1: temporary shot, which is much harder and more intricate, takes

586
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 1: a bit more finesse, but it precludes hospitalization. So he's

587
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 1: like telling, like reporters, anyone who listen, how he does this,

588
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 1: and people are still allowing him to do this in court.

589
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 1: So it's public knowledge that he's not necessarily like wide

590
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 1: public knowledge, but it's not hard to find the Internet.

591
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 1: So you would have to have caught this newspaper or

592
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 1: seeing this interview, right. So these juries are not seeing that,

593
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 1: these judges are not saying these prosecutors in different towns.

594
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 1: So if he talks to some one reporter in Maryland,

595
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 1: it doesn't show up an eye, right. So, but he

596
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 1: would tell them things like he would go for, quote,

597
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 1: a diagnosis of paranoid schizophrenia with a surfacing and submerging nature,

598
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 1: the classic dual personality compounded by Paranoia, the sense of

599
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 1: being persecuted. The result is an inability to differentiate between

600
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 1: right and wrong due to this split personality. So he

601
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 1: could start like spitting the verbage in the language. Psychiatrists

602
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 1: are like, oh, but he wouldn't do that in court.

603
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 1: He would just would act in the one way or

604
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 1: another day would then apply these terms. Pretty Genius, right. So,

605
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 1: and on top of that he also creates, as they

606
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 1: told you, his dude Greg Ross. So I quote. Take

607
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 1: Gary B Trapnell and Greg Ross. They're both the same

608
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 1: physical person but they are two mentally different people. If

609
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 1: Greg Ross commits a crime and the Greg Ross aspect

610
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 1: submerges after he's put in prison and the Gary trapnel

611
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 1: aspect emerges, then Gary Trappnell is not responsible legally for

612
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 1: what Greg Ross does. Whether it than that is the

613
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 1: mental illness exists can never be proved, because psychiatry as

614
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 1: a science is the only science in the world that

615
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 1: deals with extreme intangibles. I probably know more about psychiatry

616
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 1: than your average residents. PSYCHIO test. I can both the

617
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 1: hell out of one in ten seconds. So that this

618
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 1: is in essence. It's his Chris Gaines to his garth Brooks. Yes, yes, exactly.

619
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 1: You know that. He's like, I'm not responsible for those

620
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 1: singles that were released. Garth didn't do that. Talked to

621
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 1: Chris Gaines. That guy is a troublemaker. What would that

622
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 1: that weird black hair do? He's got anyway. So he's

623
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 1: not able to pull off basically a decade of serious

624
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 1: crime without ever having to any punishment. Right now, if

625
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 1: you can believe it, this is, like I keep telling you,

626
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 1: not the wildest part of the Trapnell story. The wildest

627
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 1: part is still yet to come. Yes, but I'll tell you,

628
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 1: I'll give you a hint of what's yet to come.

629
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Speaker 1: A mother and daughter tried to spring him from prison.

630
00:31:44,120 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 1: Oh Wow, separately. WHOA, we're back after a break. Okay, Elizabeth,

631
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 1: WE'RE gonna pick up our story now in March of

632
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy, two years before Trapnell Sky Jack's The flight

633
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 1: you were on from L A to New York. And

634
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 1: at the moment, in nineteen seventy, Gary Trapnell is a

635
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 1: legitimate businessman. He literally is. He's living in L A.

636
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 1: He has a small business where he rents German shepherd

637
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 1: dogs for personal security. He rented. He rents dogs for

638
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 1: personal security. Like. For how long do people rent these dogs? However,

639
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 1: they long, no long. For Long? They need personal security.

640
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 1: I don't know. I've never rented a dog up Seventies.

641
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 1: So when he's not renting dogs, he's often found partying

642
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 1: on the sunset strip, where he meets a topless go

643
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 1: go dancer. Now it doesn't matter to him that he's

644
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 1: already previously married. In fact, Multiple Times he decides he

645
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 1: likes being married so much he'll do it again. So

646
00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 1: he runs off with this topless go go dancer too,

647
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 1: Las Vegas, of course, and the Elope and uh then

648
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 1: he's like, you know what, this isn't really working for me,

649
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 1: so I'm just gonna take your credit cards and I'm

650
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 1: gonna Split Town. So he takes your credit cards, splits

651
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 1: town and he uses her diner's Card to rent a plane.

652
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 1: So he flies to the Bahamas with them, with the

653
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 1: rented plane and a couple of chepherd he visits a

654
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 1: jewelry store called the emeralds of Columbia. He robs the

655
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 1: store steals about a hundred grand worth of jewelry. He

656
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 1: then races back to the airport in the Bahamas. The

657
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 1: police are chasing him back to the airport. He drives

658
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 1: right onto the tarmac, right up to the little plane

659
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: that he rented. It flies back to America and he

660
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 1: gets away with it. The police arrived at the airport

661
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 1: in time to watch his plane is send into the clouds.

662
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 1: So this robbery marks a new career change for TRASL.

663
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 1: He's like this is this is the new move man.

664
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, this is where it's at. The getaway

665
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 1: driver is the days of the past. It's all with

666
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 1: the getaway flyer. So he becomes a bank robber and

667
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 1: he uses a plane is his getaway vehicle. Between March

668
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy and September nineteen seventy, he flies into Canada

669
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 1: and robs a bank every month for seven months in

670
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 1: a row. Every month five lands in. I'm gonna rob

671
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 1: you and then flies back to America. Finally, he gets

672
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: a little too greedy. September he gets caught and so

673
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 1: he goes with his jet get out of jail free

674
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 1: car and he goes like Oh, I'm insane, and they're

675
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 1: like it's Greg Ross. Don't blame me, blame Greg Ro, like,

676
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,319
Speaker 1: who's Greg Ross? And so it works even in Canada.

677
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 1: So he put him in the panel institute, which is

678
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 1: his Criminal Hospital, near Montreal, and he immediately gets to

679
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:31,839
Speaker 1: work on Romancing as secretary and then he convinces her

680
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 1: to marry him. And on January, the secretary sneaks a

681
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 1: toy pistol into the mental hospital. She gives it to

682
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 1: Trapnell to help him escape. He and the secretary make

683
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 1: a run for it. He makes it all the way

684
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,840
Speaker 1: to the American border from Montreal, where he has stopped

685
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 1: at the border by American authorities, but they do not

686
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 1: return him to Canada. They're like, yeah, I forget the canucks,

687
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,479
Speaker 1: we're taking you to Florida on this warrant we got

688
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 1: because he's been named want because he left his I

689
00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:00,839
Speaker 1: D in the plane. They know exactly he is. So

690
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 1: trapnell does this thing. He Feigns Insanity. He convinces the

691
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 1: prison psychiatrist to let him go free. A month after

692
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 1: that he's released in April nineteen seventy one point. He

693
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 1: then brags again. He gets interviewed by another reporter. He Brags,

694
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 1: and I quote, I have committed all of these crimes.

695
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: Never gotten a number for any of them. It's the

696
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 1: fallacy of your legal system. He's just like throwing in

697
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 1: everyone's face. And now, around this time, the FBI is

698
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 1: investigating trapnel over a civil case involving the allegedly stolen

699
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 1: yacht that I told you about earlier. Well, the owner

700
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 1: turned up missing the day after it was sold to trapnel.

701
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:38,799
Speaker 1: So trappon was like, Oh, the guy took my money,

702
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 1: he fled, he fled the country, I don't know, and

703
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 1: everyone's like that was like, I want my money and

704
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 1: that's why he did the ranser for three eight thousand.

705
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 1: He always said he was the wrong party, even though

706
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 1: the ponehuner has never heard from again. Well, the FBI

707
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 1: is investigating this and in testimony for this civil case,

708
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 1: the FBI, you know, they testified and the FBI agent

709
00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 1: on the stands starting to trying to describe what was

710
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 1: like when they actually apprehended him in this hotel room.

711
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:06,280
Speaker 1: So he's testifying. He says, and I quote, we found

712
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 1: him in a hotel with an ice box full of filet's,

713
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 1: good good booze, a check writing machine and what we're

714
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,799
Speaker 1: supposed to be CI a credentials. Oh my God, this

715
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 1: guy has like all the like whatever, the most ridiculous detail.

716
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:20,840
Speaker 1: He could just plug in there. He doesn't go to

717
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 1: but you know, it's just like dancer in the in

718
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,919
Speaker 1: the in the hotel, like so, dude keen to play

719
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,399
Speaker 1: superspy Guy Right, which is very common with these kinds

720
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 1: of criminals. Jump across this before where they're like, Oh,

721
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 1: I'm a superspy because apparently in America, if you have

722
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 1: like an FBI or CIA badge, any like pain in

723
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 1: the neck, innocent bystandards, and be like well, whatever you're doing,

724
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 1: this totally lawless makes sense because you're the CIA exactly.

725
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 1: You're mysterious. I'M NOT gonna ask too many questions. I'm

726
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 1: a good American. I'm not going to question the men

727
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 1: in black. So you know. Anyway. So the point is

728
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 1: that the CIA badges basically get out of jail free card,

729
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 1: but he doesn't need it. As he has his I'm

730
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 1: insane card, the Greg Ross Card. Right. So in late

731
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,240
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy one, we're about to come up in nineteen

732
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 1: seventy two, where he's gonna Hijack Your plane and trapnel

733
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 1: is gonna get on that flight in l a right,

734
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 1: sit down the first class right in front of you.

735
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 1: Bust open that cast. At this point when he gets

736
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:19,280
Speaker 1: on that flight, he's been arrested at least twenty times

737
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 1: and has gotten away with it every single time. He

738
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 1: spent cumutively about two years behind bars. Wow. So now

739
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 1: you can see why he had the confidence to steal

740
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: your plane. I'm gonna talk about Nixon. I'm set Angela

741
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 1: free and, by the way, give me a cup of coffee.

742
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 1: I mean so five months, by the way, five months

743
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 1: before he hijacked your plane, his famous family is once

744
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 1: again involved in his story. Captain Joseph Trapnell, his cousin

745
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,240
Speaker 1: is a pilot for a flight that gets hijacked, because

746
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 1: in the seventies plans are just always getting hijacked. His

747
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 1: cousin fights back and prevents the hijacking. This is the

748
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 1: son of the famous test pilot. So the family histories

749
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 1: are still like running parallel. Right. So, Trapnell, he hijacks

750
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,760
Speaker 1: your plane, you get out, you go and your taxi

751
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 1: tibe driver. You guys are listening as and everything plays

752
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 1: out just as we just went over it, right. He

753
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 1: gets shot by the UNDERCARRE FBI agent. Well, eventually he

754
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 1: goes to trial and he decides, you know what, I'm

755
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 1: good at crime. I'm going to represent myself and, as

756
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 1: you know, a good move move. So in the trial

757
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:25,840
Speaker 1: he decides, you know, I'm gonna go with my standard defense.

758
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 1: It wasn't me, it was Greg Ross. So he does

759
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 1: in the trial. He focuses his attention not on the jury,

760
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 1: just one juror. He picks the Middle Age social worker

761
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:37,359
Speaker 1: with a kind heart. Yeah, I mean, I guess if

762
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 1: he knows. Yeah, yeah, he knows his charm. So he

763
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 1: aims at her and she falls for it. In fact,

764
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 1: he knows so well that a week before the trial

765
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 1: is set to end, he brags her reporter and he's like,

766
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, this trial is definitely gonna go to a

767
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 1: hung jury. I can tell you which juror it's gonna be.

768
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 1: And he says it's gonna be her. Are you kidding me?

769
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 1: The Middle Age social worker six days later. I say

770
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:57,959
Speaker 1: keep your mouth shut, but it hasn't hurt him. Never fire.

771
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 1: Six days later he's a hundred it right. She's like

772
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 1: the only one of the eleven people in the jury,

773
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 1: or like he's guilty as hell. She's like, I don't know,

774
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 1: Hung jury trial goes to acquittal. President Nixon is following

775
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 1: this trial, right. He's furious this guy has brought him

776
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 1: up in the news. He's demanding a retrial from the

777
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 1: prosecutors because he's of the opinion if this works, you're

778
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 1: gonna have all these political activists and exiles running onto planes,

779
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 1: taking them over, stealing them, flying to man Dangol and going.

780
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:29,840
Speaker 1: It's granted me. It's Greg Ross. Yeah, he wants this

781
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,879
Speaker 1: defense put to an end, right, and at the same

782
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 1: time he's also pushing for something called a metal detector

783
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,359
Speaker 1: to be brought into the airport. So you get all

784
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 1: these yes, the early T S, a is created because

785
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 1: of trapnel and Nixon's little. So Nixon is clocking this

786
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 1: trial like it's the O J trial, right, and he's

787
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 1: sitting there and he's watching as as like. It gets

788
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 1: stranger and stranger. Eventually in the retrial, Jorge Padilla is

789
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 1: brought in. He is the star witness of this trial.

790
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,720
Speaker 1: He brought in as a witness for the prosecution, Jorge Padilla,

791
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 1: the friend who he wanted to go down to Dallas

792
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 1: to break out of jail. He says back in nineteen

793
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 1: sixty six, the two of them were incarcerated at the

794
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 1: same hospital, right a mental health hospital called Jackson Memorial

795
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 1: in Miami, Florida, and trapnel back then taught Padilla how

796
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 1: to fake insanity to be the case. This was all

797
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 1: the jury needed to hear. Trapnell was convicted sentenced to

798
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:27,359
Speaker 1: life in prison in Mary in Illinois. When they closed Alcatraz,

799
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 1: that's where they sent everyone was Mary in Illinois. It's

800
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 1: the big old supermax prison. So this is where Trapnell

801
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 1: is going to spend the rest of his life, but

802
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:39,320
Speaker 1: it's also reason to find love. Her name was Barbara Oswald.

803
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 1: She was a middle class single mother from a St

804
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:43,799
Speaker 1: Louis Suburb. She was in Grad school when this all

805
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 1: starts to take place. She's watching. Sixteen minutes in Trapnell

806
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:50,799
Speaker 1: is being interviewed and she then is just admires of him.

807
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 1: Then she reads his book, because he's published a book

808
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 1: about all his crimes. Well, he's helped. There's a journalist

809
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 1: who wrote most of them. He did interviews, but it's

810
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 1: his book and she falls in love with this character.

811
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:03,840
Speaker 1: She sees him as a Modern Day Robin Hood and

812
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 1: she starts to write him love letters at Mary in prison.

813
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 1: She then travels to the Federal Prison to visit her

814
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: lover and soon enough she's like, you know what I

815
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 1: need to break you out, baby. So rolls around. Barbara

816
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 1: Oswald hires a helicopter to scout an investment property in

817
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:21,800
Speaker 1: the Missouri area. At least that's her cover, and sometime

818
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 1: during the trip, Barbara pulls out a forty four caliber handgun,

819
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 1: puts it on the helicopter pilots says we're going to

820
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:30,320
Speaker 1: supermax federal prison, and the helicopter pilots like, Oh, okay,

821
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 1: Ma I'm bet now. What she doesn't know is this

822
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 1: helicopter pilot is a recent Vietnam veteran man. He's surprised

823
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 1: by the gun in his face, but he doesn't lose

824
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 1: his head. It's not his first time around with that. No, no,

825
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 1: he is a mud soaked Rodeo star. Ain't his first Rodeo,

826
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 1: in least right now. Barbara orders him to fly to

827
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 1: the supermax prison. He does as he's told. Man, you know,

828
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:53,919
Speaker 1: for most of it he's come buying and then he's

829
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 1: just really buying time, right. So eventually he gets a

830
00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 1: chance when she's like kind of like distracted for a moment,

831
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 1: he snatches the gun out of her hand. She's like, well,

832
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 1: you're not supposed to give me back by gun, you know,

833
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 1: and he's like a gun. She's like, Oh yeah, she

834
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 1: goes to reach for another weapons because she's got like,

835
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:09,879
Speaker 1: I don't know, a a little twenty two and her person

836
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 1: or something. She goes reaching for that and then the

837
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 1: pilot tries to snatch her hand and the two of

838
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 1: them fight over the gun. She reaches for the other

839
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:18,720
Speaker 1: gun in his hand and then it goes off. Boom.

840
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 1: He shoots her. She dies in the helicopter. WHOA total

841
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 1: self defense. So it doesn't really constitute murder. But this

842
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:34,279
Speaker 1: is yeah, I tray exactly, but it's not our main

843
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:38,280
Speaker 1: focus here and it's just a side quest exactly. So

844
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 1: the Barbara is now deceased and in the helicopter the pilot,

845
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 1: the Vietnam veteran. He's shaken, but he lands at the

846
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 1: prison with the Barbara in the helicopter. The escape plan

847
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 1: obviously has failed. Trapnel gets interviewed about this. Ever, the

848
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 1: quotable trapnel. He says escaping is his American is Apple Pie.

849
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Speaker 1: If I had made it in that helicopter, the American

850
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 1: public would have loved it. I don't know if that's true,

851
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 1: but anyway they probably would have enjoyed exactly. So he

852
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,479
Speaker 1: goes on trial no for his attempt to escape from

853
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Speaker 1: the federal supermax prison, and Barbara's daughter is there in

854
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Speaker 1: court to testify. The seventeen year old Robin Oswald. She's

855
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 1: not taking her mother's death well, I mean yes, she's

856
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 1: a seventeen year old girl. Her mother, she's a single mother.

857
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 1: This is her whole world and her mom was trying

858
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 1: to spring a man out of prisoner and jail bird out. Yeah,

859
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 1: so she drops out of high school. And this girl

860
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,359
Speaker 1: was a star cheerleader, but she has to set down

861
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 1: her pom poms and deal with herself. Right now, on

862
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 1: the final day of the trial, December twenty one, nineteen

863
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 1: seventy eight, just a few days before Christmas, Robin Oswald

864
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Speaker 1: boards a t w a flight headed to Kansas City.

865
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Speaker 1: Robin got off the plane on board. She real lived, Robin. No,

866
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:51,399
Speaker 1: I'm telling you this. She knows what she's doing. Once

867
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Speaker 1: on board, she reveals that she has a bomb strapped

868
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 1: to her midsection and in her hand as a detonator,

869
00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 1: and she demands that the plane be flown to a

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Speaker 1: small airport near Mary in Illinois and that Gary Trappan

871
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,320
Speaker 1: will be allowed to walk free from the Federal Prison.

872
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 1: Then she does not ask for Angela Davids to be free,

873
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 1: because she's already been free. So she's been acquitted at

874
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 1: that trial. If not, she doesn't. If she doesn't get

875
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 1: what she wants, Robin tells everyone on board the point

876
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 1: she will blow up herself and everyone on the plane.

877
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:21,840
Speaker 1: The FBI gets called in. Ten hours of negotiations. At last,

878
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 1: her brother and sister are brought in by the FBI.

879
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:26,840
Speaker 1: They're like talk to your sister, she is so grounded.

880
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 1: So they're trying to tell this former cheerleader not to

881
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 1: go full terrorists and she's like she's like free, mom's boyfriend.

882
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 1: And so Robin Os. Well, meanwhile that is very calm

883
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 1: and very patient. She's not like ranting, raving, none of it.

884
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 1: She at one point she brags her I don't know

885
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 1: Brag is the right word, but she says to the

886
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 1: FBI agents, aren't I the nicest hijacker? Oh, just like

887
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 1: slipped her switch, like it's like it's not me, it's

888
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 1: it's Gary Reena Ross. So ten hour ordeal extends. Eventually

889
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 1: Robin comes to her senses and she decides to let

890
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 1: everyone go off of the plane unharmed. And it turns

891
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 1: out the bomb that she had strapped to her was

892
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 1: actually just three road flares and a doorbell, if you

893
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 1: had like a terrorist Halloween costume. Exactly. She went down

894
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 1: to the spirit Halloween Star. It was like can I

895
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 1: get skyjacker costumes? That one was looking at it and

896
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:26,479
Speaker 1: like wait, those are road flare. So it worked long enough.

897
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 1: Around that exact same time, like almost exact same time,

898
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:34,360
Speaker 1: the jury and trapnel's prison escaped. They returned the verdict

899
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 1: and he's guilty. Sentence to another life sentence. And that

900
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 1: is where Gary Trapnell spends the rest of his days

901
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:43,359
Speaker 1: and the Super Max prison, hanging out with like John

902
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 1: Walker Lynde and Oh yeah, that's the high profile. Oh yeah,

903
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:51,359
Speaker 1: that's what he's down there in the basement with all

904
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 1: the like high profile guys and they're like playing Bingo

905
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:56,280
Speaker 1: for the rest of his days, never to escape again.

906
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:59,280
Speaker 1: But what a hell of a way to get there. Stars,

907
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:04,760
Speaker 1: that's a lot. That's our story's ridiculous takeaway here, Elizabeth. Well,

908
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 1: I mean, okay, so this guy here here's what what

909
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 1: kind of bugs me too, is that the when he's

910
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 1: faking the insane and very awesome. The thing is is

911
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 1: that those hospitals are not like a cake walk. No,

912
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:33,360
Speaker 1: they're not playing in places generally right. So it's less security,

913
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 1: but I think it's like even more traumatic in some

914
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:39,239
Speaker 1: cases than doing time. But not if you know you're

915
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:41,359
Speaker 1: getting over. I think he's so satisfied by the fact

916
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 1: he's getting over that he's able to know he only

917
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 1: has to do a few months. Eventually they'll he'll just

918
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 1: walk out the back door. So to him it's just

919
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:52,439
Speaker 1: like between the choice of going to prison or even

920
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 1: to jail and going into a mental hospital and just

921
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 1: having to be around a bunch of people are screaming

922
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 1: and hitting themselves in the head. He's like, I can,

923
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 1: I can do three months of that, no problem. Wow.

924
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 1: So it would have been traumatic if he took it in,

925
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 1: if he actually thought he was going to be there

926
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:07,400
Speaker 1: if he thought this is who I am, this is

927
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 1: my life, I'm now in a mental hospital. This is

928
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 1: a way station, this is a terrible bus station. I'll

929
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 1: tell you what I'm really fixated on. Two is Robin.

930
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 1: What happened to like the loss of her mother just

931
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:22,840
Speaker 1: made her go over the edge and then she wanted

932
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:26,240
Speaker 1: to like, you know, it's like a weird action movie

933
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 1: sequel where, like the daughter goes on to get the

934
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 1: mother's like she didn't quite fail, but you know, she

935
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 1: did not get her justice. So she's like, I'm gonna

936
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 1: go do it. But in this case it is the

937
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 1: strangest mission possible, and I think about a lot of

938
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:41,319
Speaker 1: like the skyjackings and stuff, where they have this list

939
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 1: of demands, or any hostage situation. They have a list

940
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 1: of demands and some of them you realize they didn't

941
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:49,880
Speaker 1: really think this out. So like with her, with Robin,

942
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 1: was she's going to spring him out. He's in he's

943
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 1: in trial right like. So she just wants him to

944
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:57,319
Speaker 1: be released from the prison, okay, and then put on

945
00:47:57,360 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 1: the plane with her and then the plane will be

946
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 1: flown to Cuba, Angola, Canada, wherever they want to go.

947
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 1: They'll let the passengers off and the two of them will,

948
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 1: I don't know, start their life together in Liberia right,

949
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just you hear about hostage situations

950
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 1: where they're like I want to school us, yes, and

951
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 1: I want five dollars, and they list all this stuff

952
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 1: and you're like, they're they're not going to give that

953
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 1: to you, and they have you not figured that out? Yeah,

954
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:24,280
Speaker 1: sometimes they will, but it's it depends on the demands.

955
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 1: Most of the time they're just buying time. But this

956
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:29,400
Speaker 1: is the thing we constantly run across, which is the

957
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 1: reason why you're most likely gonna be a story that

958
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:33,799
Speaker 1: we talked about, is because you did not think about

959
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 1: getting away with the crime. Instead, you thought about doing

960
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 1: the crime. Yeah, you didn't think about the after logistics.

961
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:43,280
Speaker 1: The crime is three components. You gotta think of the crime,

962
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 1: you gotta do the crime, you gotta get away with

963
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 1: the crime. That's a crime. It's three components, beginning, the

964
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:50,279
Speaker 1: middle and end. If you get stuck in the middle, well,

965
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 1: you let someone else right at the end and that's

966
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:53,840
Speaker 1: probably gonna be your asked going to jail. That's a

967
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 1: good point. And then you'RE gonna wind up getting talked

968
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 1: about on this goofball shop exactly. That's my ridiculous takeaway.

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00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 1: That's beautiful. Well, thank you for joining us. I'm Elizabeth Dutton.

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00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 1: I'm Elizabeth and I'm also Gary Ross, Gary Ross, the

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Speaker 1: man one never to trust. You can find us online

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975
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