1 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:05,040 Speaker 1: Good morning. It's Tuesday, the fifth of September here in London. 2 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:08,680 Speaker 1: This is the Bloomberg Daybacurate podcast that I'm Caroline Hipki and. 3 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 2: I'm Stephen Carroll. Coming up today, Bloomberg Economics says China's 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:16,960 Speaker 2: economy may never definitively surpass the US as the developer country. 5 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 2: Garden makes a last minute debt repayment. 6 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:23,240 Speaker 1: Bosses and employees wrestle with the one point three trillion 7 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 1: dollar return to office dilemma. 8 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 2: And we bring you the inside story of the deal 9 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 2: making Abu Dabi Sheikh who oversees a one and a 10 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 2: half trillion dollar empire. 11 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 1: Let's stop with a roundup of our top stories. 12 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 2: China may never eclipse the US as the world's largest economy, 13 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 2: according to Bloomberg Economics. Its calculations show China's GDP may 14 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 2: briefly surpass that of the US in twenty forty, but 15 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 2: even then it will happen only by a small margin 16 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 2: before falling back behind. Before the pandemic, the expectation was 17 00:00:56,920 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 2: that China would take and hold pole position as early 18 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 2: the start of the next decade. The research reflects decisions 19 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 2: already being made by investors. Eddie Lowe's CIO at Maybank 20 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 2: Group Wealth Management, says he's downgraded his view of China. 21 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:16,320 Speaker 3: The very constrame policy responses actually over not just past month, 22 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 3: but actually over the past weelf month, coupled with the 23 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 3: very damage confidence being consumers and business, suggests that it 24 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:24,760 Speaker 3: will take time to repair. 25 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 2: Eddie Lowe's comments come as the Mercedes CEO or La Callenius, 26 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:34,680 Speaker 2: has also walked back his previously bullish view on China, 27 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 2: telling Bloomberg that they're now taking a more cautious stance 28 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 2: on the country. 29 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:43,839 Speaker 1: Country Garden has averted default on its dollar debt by 30 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: paying coupons on two bonds within their grace periods. The 31 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 1: Chinese builder needed to pay a combined twenty two and 32 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 1: a half million dollars in interest by Wednesday. China's housing 33 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: crisis has engulfed the country's private developers, producing record waves 34 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 1: of faults and leaving a shrinking group of survivors. Bloomberg's 35 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 1: data shows that thirty four of China's top fifty private 36 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 1: sected developers by dollar bond issuance have already suffered delinquencies 37 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 1: on offshore debts. 38 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 2: Bloomberg has learned that CVC Capital Partners is nearing a 39 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:21,800 Speaker 2: deal to buy infrastructure investor DIFF Capital Partners ahead of 40 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:25,239 Speaker 2: a potential listing. The European private equity firm could announce 41 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 2: a deal as soon as Tuesday, according to sources. Infrastructure 42 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 2: has been one of the hottest areas of deal making 43 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 2: over the past year, and DIFF Bait in the Netherlands 44 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:36,920 Speaker 2: has around sixteen billion euros of assets under management according 45 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 2: to its website. 46 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 1: Bloomberg understands that the UK will announce new planning regulations 47 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 1: that will lift an effective ban on new offshore wind 48 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 1: farms this week. Bloomberg's U and Pots reports. 49 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 4: It's a controversy that's been blowing for years, but Bloomberg 50 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 4: has learned the government will today effectively end the ban 51 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:58,640 Speaker 4: on onshore wind developments. A consultation will be launched on 52 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:01,640 Speaker 4: giving local communities power to greet a new projects after 53 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 4: a nine month delay on the decision. The Prime Minister's 54 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 4: decision to lift the effective fan on new onshore wind 55 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 4: farms comes after he previously caved into rebel conservative MPs 56 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 4: on the issue last year. Soon I said he wanted 57 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 4: to pursue offshore wind due to the distress and disruption 58 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 4: onshore wind farms can cause the local residents. The decision 59 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 4: to allow more onshore wind comes as the UK faces 60 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:25,360 Speaker 4: up to multi billion dollar green tax subsidies in both 61 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:28,640 Speaker 4: the US and the EU. In London immune pots Bloomberg 62 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 4: day Break Europe, the. 63 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:33,519 Speaker 2: UK has one of the highest rates of remote work 64 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 2: in the world. The average British worker spends one and 65 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 2: a half days at home every week. A Bloomberg investigation 66 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 2: into how the world returns to the office found Europe's 67 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 2: better public transport has made hybrid models more viable. Of 68 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 2: the US companies have some of the strictest work from 69 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 2: home policies. America lags far behind the rest of the 70 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 2: world and getting staff to come back to the office. 71 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: More domestic news here. The government is coming under growing 72 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 1: criticism for its handling of the Create Schools crisis. Bloomberg 73 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 1: reported that Education Secretary Gillian Keegan was on holiday in 74 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 1: Spain while the problem unfolded. She was caught in an 75 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 1: unguarded moment wearing a microphone after an interview with ITV. 76 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 1: Does anyone ever say you know what you've done? A 77 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 1: good job because everyone else has sat on there and 78 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 1: done nothing. 79 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 4: No signs of that. 80 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:27,840 Speaker 1: Keegan later apologized for the language. Prime Minister Ishisunac was 81 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 1: also forced to deny personal responsibility for the de Barkle 82 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 1: following claims that he approved cuts to the schools building 83 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 1: program when he was chancellor. 84 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 2: Elon Musk is blaming the Anti Defamation League for the 85 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:44,479 Speaker 2: slump and advertising revenue at his social media platform X 86 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 2: Bloomberg's head Baxter has the story. 87 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 5: Ad sales are still down sixty percent, Musk posting primarily 88 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:55,359 Speaker 5: due to pressure and advertisers mounted by ADL. He in 89 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:57,840 Speaker 5: a series of post says it has been quote trying 90 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 5: to kill the platform. She bought it, falsely accusing it 91 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:06,279 Speaker 5: and him of being Ali Schamitic. Musk says it is 92 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:10,600 Speaker 5: a pro free speech platform, but against Ali Semitism of 93 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 5: any kind. He says he is as well. He says 94 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 5: legal action is an option in San Francisco. I'm at 95 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:20,600 Speaker 5: Baxter Bloomberg Day Break Europe. 96 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 2: Well after Gillian Keegan landed herself in some hot water 97 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 2: over those hot mic moments yesterday at slightly different political 98 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 2: fund being made. I supposed to a politician on the internet. 99 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 2: The Chancellor Olaf Schultz in Germany had a jogging accident 100 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:38,919 Speaker 2: over the week Andrews left him with some cuts and 101 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 2: bruises and he's wearing an eye patch as a result 102 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 2: of that. But he released, ahead of appearing in any 103 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 2: other public forum, a photo of himself, an official portrait 104 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:50,480 Speaker 2: photo of himself wearing his eyepatch, with the message on 105 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:53,720 Speaker 2: social media, can't wait to see the memes. Memes they 106 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:54,279 Speaker 2: did come. 107 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 1: Yeslue pirate memes in particular. Obviously, Look at that is 108 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 1: what it takes to be a politician these days. You 109 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:03,719 Speaker 1: have to get out in front of the story before 110 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 1: the sort of story grabs you by the social media 111 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 1: scruff of the neck. 112 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, look, it's an interesting political communication strategy 113 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 2: to say, you know, before there's any sort of questions 114 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 2: about what happened and howazi you know, he released the 115 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:18,040 Speaker 2: photo and it's. 116 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 1: A particularly nice photo. Must I must say, Oh Love 117 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 1: Schultz is nicely shot, you know, I. 118 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:26,040 Speaker 2: Mean, very very visibly was hurt like he must taken 119 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 2: a terrible stumble by the looks of things. But he 120 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 2: said to be fine and apparently we'll make full recovery 121 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:32,559 Speaker 2: from his injured eye as well. 122 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 5: Yeah. 123 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 1: No, I think the Jillian Keegan moment has gained more 124 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 1: visibility here in the UK the Education Secretary, I mean, 125 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 1: schools are going back this week. This issue around the 126 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:48,600 Speaker 1: use of a particular type of concrete in school buildings 127 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:51,160 Speaker 1: but in a lot of public buildings between the nineteen 128 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 1: fifties and nineteen nineties that have not been replaced that 129 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:58,599 Speaker 1: could be dangerous. Is an enormous issue for government that 130 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 1: was really hoping, you know, to put its best foot forward. 131 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 1: It's now been mud in this controversy. She didn't say 132 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 1: who she was blaming for sort of sitting around and 133 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:11,559 Speaker 1: not dealing with the problem. Was it former Conservative government 134 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 1: she was talking about? Was it the labor government even 135 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 1: before that in the twenty that left off is in 136 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:18,679 Speaker 1: twenty ten. She wasn't clear. 137 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, but certainly something that I think has taken over 138 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 2: somewhat of a narrative on that story as well. Let's 139 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 2: turn to the news out of China this morning. Though 140 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 2: the troubled property developer Country Garden seems to have avoided 141 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 2: a default, at least for now. It's told its shareholders 142 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 2: that it has paid the interest due on dollar bonds 143 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 2: before the grace period expired. Missing a payment on these 144 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 2: bonds has sparked a massive route in the company's shares 145 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 2: just a few weeks ago. Bloomberg's China Credit editor Kevin 146 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 2: Kingsbury joins us now for more on this story. Kevin, 147 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 2: great to have you with us. So Country Garden has 148 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 2: made these payments, what does it mean for the company's future. 149 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 6: So it's just the kind of the tip of the 150 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 6: iceberg as far as the amount of debt that it 151 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 6: has coming due to interest payments on through the end 152 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 6: of the year, nearly two billion dollars worth of various 153 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 6: obligations that it could be liable for, depending upon if 154 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 6: some bonds and their holders demand early repayments, which could 155 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 6: happen on several notes later this month. So we've gotten 156 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 6: these twenty two point five million dollars paid in the interest. 157 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 6: So it's definitely a relief for the market. But we 158 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 6: just have to see what happens with some of these 159 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 6: near turn payments coming up in the next few weeks, 160 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 6: because it is far out of the woods for Country. 161 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 1: Garden, Okay, far from being out of the words yes 162 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 1: understood more broadly, though, we're keeping a close eye on 163 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 1: China's property sector. Tell us about the recent support measures 164 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:40,560 Speaker 1: that have been announced over the last couple of weeks. 165 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 1: You know, they've been piecemeal. What do they add up to. 166 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 6: Well, ultimately the government is hoping that they add up 167 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 6: to increased demand for new homes. In August, they fell 168 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 6: about a third year over year, is the third straight 169 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 6: month of big declines after some growth for the first 170 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 6: time since twenty twenty one earlier this year. So those 171 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 6: earlier games they sparked hope that the bottom was finally 172 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 6: in for Chinese new homes, but it appears in the 173 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 6: last few months that's not the case. And so we've 174 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 6: had these new round of measures, including last week cutting 175 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 6: the down payment requirements for both first time and second homeowners, 176 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 6: and it seems as though the initial reaction has been positive. 177 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 6: Beijing and Shanghai saw some significant increases in both existing 178 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 6: and new home sales this past weekend after the mortgage 179 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 6: rules were rolled out, So there is some hope that 180 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:32,680 Speaker 6: we're finally getting to a point where some of these 181 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 6: measures that have been talked about that are starting to 182 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:38,080 Speaker 6: actually come to fruition are going to help stoke some 183 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 6: demand in the housing market. 184 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:42,439 Speaker 2: The property slump has been a key element of the 185 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 2: latest forecast that we've had from Boomberg Economics that we're 186 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 2: also reporting on today, which now says the Chinese economy 187 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:52,199 Speaker 2: will not eclipse that of the US, So a shift 188 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:54,680 Speaker 2: from its previous forecast. How significant is that? 189 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 6: Well, certainly, the race between the US and China as 190 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:00,840 Speaker 6: to who's going to have the because economy has been 191 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:02,680 Speaker 6: something that's been talking about for a good number of 192 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 6: years now. But now that China's population has seemingly peaked out, 193 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 6: the number of people fell slightly in twenty twenty two, 194 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 6: and it just seems as though that trend is going 195 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 6: to accelerate. Raises the question certainly as to whether the 196 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:21,840 Speaker 6: perb capita economic activity in China can get closer to 197 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 6: matching the US to be able to the overall economy 198 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 6: eclipsing in the US in size. 199 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, and so for others when we're thinking about I mean, 200 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 1: it is a huge shift, isn't it in thinking because 201 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 1: for for a long time, there was this idea that 202 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:41,320 Speaker 1: China was accelerating, surging ahead, and would overtake the US. 203 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:45,199 Speaker 1: So a reversal of that idea is very significant. What 204 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:48,440 Speaker 1: does a slowing China mean for the rest of the world? 205 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 4: Now, do you think sure? 206 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 6: It certainly means as though the global economy is going 207 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:59,560 Speaker 6: to diversify more beyond the US and China, places like India, 208 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 6: places like Africa. Folks that already have been moving more 209 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 6: into these markets in recent years, and so long as 210 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 6: the governments are allowing foreign capital to flow into these markets, 211 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 6: you're going to see increased activity from outside of their 212 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 6: own borders to help grow those those economies, to make 213 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 6: them manufacturing hubs. For example, things that we've seen in 214 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 6: places perhaps like Vietnam or Thailand, where some of the 215 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 6: Western manufacturers have been moving some things out of China 216 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 6: and into other markets in Southeast Asia for example. 217 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 2: Okay, Kevin, thank you very much, Ben Brooks, China Credit 218 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 2: editor Kevin Kingsbury. 219 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 1: They're reporting now as oil wealth flows to all corners 220 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 1: of the globe, from mega mergers to major sports acquisitions, 221 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 1: a key member of Abu Dhabi's ruling family is standing 222 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 1: out as one of the world's most influential deal makers. 223 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:52,319 Speaker 1: This is a major feature that we have on the 224 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:55,960 Speaker 1: Blueberg terminal today and now from Dubai on Middle East Economics, 225 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 1: reporter Aber Abu AmAm joins us to discuss the story. 226 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:03,079 Speaker 1: Good morning, Thank you so much for your time. Just firstly, 227 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 1: who is Sheikh to Noon and what is the extent 228 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 1: of his reach? 229 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 7: Yeah, Hi, good morning Caroline. We discuss the growing influence 230 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:16,960 Speaker 7: of Shikun who has come to prominence in the last 231 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 7: few years. But I mean growing up here, you know 232 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 7: people heard about Sea. You must have heard about the 233 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 7: Nahyan family. He's one of mb z's brothers. He has 234 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:32,960 Speaker 7: a massive array of positions under his umbrella. 235 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 3: So some of his. 236 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 7: Positions include he is the chairman of the biggest sovereign 237 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 7: wealth fund in Abu Dhabi, Adia. He also chairs Royal 238 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 7: Group International Holding Company ADQ, another sovereign wealth fund, and 239 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 7: the biggest bank in the UAE, first albud w Bank. 240 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 7: So he definitely has again a massive sort of influence 241 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:58,319 Speaker 7: when it comes to the financial umbrella of the country. 242 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 7: And he's grown in this and this influence over the 243 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 7: past few years because of the deals that he has 244 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:08,599 Speaker 7: clustered with their businessmen and other companies and other countries 245 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 7: even and I think one of the biggest titles that 246 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 7: he holds is he's the National Security Advisor to the UAE, 247 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 7: so he sort of mixes between foreign policy and business, 248 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 7: which has gained him the status of being sort of 249 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 7: the de facto business influencer in the UAE. 250 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 2: What kind of deals were his companies in charge of recently? 251 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 7: So there are plenty, right, So you know, we can 252 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 7: start with some of the deals that he wanted to 253 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 7: go through earlier this year. Those considered buying Standard chartered 254 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 7: the Baizard at the start this year. They were ultimately unsuccessful, 255 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 7: but they sort of highlight the scale of his ambitions. 256 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:55,959 Speaker 7: So some of the deals that did go through include 257 00:13:55,960 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 7: investments in TikTok, which is on by Dance, Also some 258 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:05,319 Speaker 7: deals where he wanted to where he wanted to invest 259 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 7: billions of dollars into neighboring economies such as Turkey and Egypt, 260 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:13,680 Speaker 7: which really depend on golf money and have been depending 261 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:17,080 Speaker 7: on golf money over the past few years. So he's 262 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 7: also had an agreement to bankrolled Mestra, you know, Mestra's 263 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 7: six point eight billion dollar vehicle and takeovers of multiple 264 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 7: multiple entities around the region. 265 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, I suppose the risks though, I mean, we can 266 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 1: see the ambition of these deals. What are the key 267 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 1: risks facing his businesses? 268 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 7: Well, look, I mean the UAE and other golf countries 269 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 7: have been super invested in US tocks and US deals 270 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 7: generally over the past I would say decade for the UEE, 271 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 7: it's been a major asset. US deals have been major 272 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 7: in the UAE's portfolio. These have become have started to 273 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 7: become more complex for the region. For golf entities, the 274 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 7: broad sort of geographic scope will continue to attract FDI. 275 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 7: But there are concerns about potential information flow to China, 276 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 7: and that comes after the UAE and Saudi Arabia from 277 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 7: the Gulf region joined Bricks about two weeks ago now, 278 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 7: and certainly the UAE is starting to look at more friends, 279 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 7: other friends than the US, including China and countries in Africa. 280 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 7: But the UAE says, listen, this flow is not does 281 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 7: not mean that we're going to cut ties with the 282 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 7: US or with the West. It just means that we're 283 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 7: expanding our horizon, We're expanding where money comes from. But 284 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 7: those are certainly things that the US would be would 285 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 7: be concerned about. Other things include that the UAE has 286 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 7: been included in the fought IF gray list two years 287 00:15:56,960 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 7: ago at this point or one and a half years ago, 288 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 7: so that you know that includes part of the risk. 289 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 2: This is Bloomberg Daybreak Europe, your morning brief on the 290 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 2: stories making news from London to Wall Street and beyond. 291 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 1: Look for us on your podcast feed every morning, on Apple, Spotify, 292 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 1: and anywhere else you get your podcasts. 293 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 2: You can also listen live each morning on London Dab Radio, 294 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 2: the Bloomberg Business app, and Bloomberg dot Com. 295 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 1: Our flagship New York station, is also available on your 296 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 1: Amazon Alexa devices. 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