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Speaker 1: What we are rolling now.

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Speaker 2: Thank you Mitch.

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Speaker 3: We finally got late, We got ladies, gonna got d Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And I did say to JP's camera it took a

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Speaker 4: Text let's not do that's that's not Can I tell you?

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Speaker 1: Can I tell you from my from okay with them?

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Speaker 2: So when did you you got the job? What?

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Speaker 5: In January January of twenty three January twenty three seventeen,

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Speaker 5: being outside of Rabel's office sitting with Stretch and you

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Speaker 5: came in and the way the last GM was it

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Speaker 5: was like you gotta be a little tighter around it.

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Speaker 1: And you came in, dap me up, Hey love the show.

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Speaker 1: First thing you said to me, I'm thinking we got them?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, to come on. I love to come

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Speaker 2: on sometime.

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Speaker 1: Next time I saw you, you're releasing me, which we

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Speaker 1: all knew was gonna happening to that story, that story.

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Speaker 2: You guys released me.

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Speaker 1: And I think like forty eight hours later I hit

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Speaker 1: you with the text like, hey, you want to come

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Speaker 1: on busting with the boys? Nothing right, Yeah, But finally

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Speaker 1: it's been a year and it's it's awesome that you've

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Speaker 1: been able to acquire and do in this past offseason

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Speaker 1: has been awesome. So it's exciting to see it better

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Speaker 3: You on the And the only friction, the only like

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Speaker 3: on been waiting on y'all.

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Speaker 1: And as we're saying this, I literally said, in a

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Speaker 3: Let's talk about Let's start off, let's talk about the

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Speaker 3: you cutting him.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, let's go. So so the day that you know

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Speaker 4: And then just him, Okay, so you're releasing me. Transition,

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Speaker 4: And then I'm like, uh, yeah, I mean I think

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Speaker 1: When we got back after Mexico, right, yeah, because I

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Speaker 1: because a lot of guys don't get to choose when

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Speaker 1: I was like, all right, these dates work, and he's like,

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Speaker 1: put through your head, right, and yeah, you sit down.

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Speaker 1: We haven't really talked at all the last thing I said,

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Speaker 4: So it's like I say, this the tough part for

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Speaker 4: It's just part of the way this thing works.

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Speaker 3: Is it hard? Like, yeah, I know it's hard, but

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Speaker 3: that last year, it's like it's the getback year. Like

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Speaker 3: And in your mind as a GM, are you basically

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Speaker 3: was it fairly simple at that point, like, hey, this

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the the strategy of it is simple. But you know,

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Speaker 4: been cut a multitude of ways, you know, some good,

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Speaker 4: some inhumane. Uh, I won't say the team is two one.

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Speaker 4: I knew I was getting cut. You had to be

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Speaker 4: cut down coming. I think it'll be pretty easy to

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Speaker 3: But you had three years.

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Speaker 4: So we're playing a preseason game. We're playing in a

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Speaker 4: place where my wife and my daughter are living. And

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Speaker 4: I go to the team after the game. I barely play.

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Speaker 4: I know what's coming tomorrow. Can I just stay, Like,

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Speaker 4: we can do the cut right now. I'll sign whatever

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Speaker 4: you need to sign. I'm healthy, that's nothing wrong with me.

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Speaker 4: It's just more convenient for me to just leave with

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Speaker 3: And players are in tune with like, well.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and so they, oh, man, we don't know fly back.

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Speaker 4: First person they called next morning is me, and I'm like,

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Speaker 4: I was like, hey, look, can you just book me

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Speaker 4: I just just want to go home. And well, you

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Speaker 4: know you need to meet Nah. No, I don't like,

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Speaker 4: do meet each coach? Yeah? Yeah, And I get the

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Speaker 4: through it. So I say all that to say, like,

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Speaker 4: when it's time to cut people like you try to

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Speaker 4: do it the most tactful and most professional and humane way,

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Speaker 4: just because I've been through it, and you know, you

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Speaker 4: looking for opportunity three, four years, five years. When if

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Speaker 4: exploring these things, you know, having that conversation at least

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Speaker 4: get that in their mind. Like I knew personally, I said,

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Speaker 1: It's time to go five teams in three years.

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Speaker 3: When you're who's a answer?

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Speaker 4: Answer?

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Speaker 2: I put it on What's up, Bubba? I got you

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Speaker 4: Jelly roll?

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Speaker 1: What's up, Bob? How could I help you? No, we're

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Speaker 1: getting after brother, we gotta bank these things getting ready

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Speaker 3: We need you.

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Speaker 2: I'm prime.

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Speaker 1: You really are you really are having that contract to

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Speaker 2: It's going nuts. I'm so happy for you.

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Speaker 1: I'll call you after this, right, I love you to

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Speaker 1: see you were just talking about him. But when you're

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Speaker 1: when you're cutting guys, do you find it harder to

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Speaker 4: It's probably hard to cut vets. Sometimes they see it coming,

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Speaker 4: sometimes they don't. So that's the that's the hard part.

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Speaker 4: And vets you generally have a longer conversation, you know

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Speaker 4: and you want to know the why. You know why, Hey,

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Speaker 4: look I thought I was playing better than you know,

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Speaker 4: this guy and this guy. So you have to have

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Speaker 4: those conversations most of the times with the rookies. The

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Speaker 4: hard part with them is you see the emotion, you

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Speaker 4: know what I mean, because you got to think about it.

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Speaker 4: Most of these dudes, this is the first time they've

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Speaker 4: ever been told they weren't good enough, right, you know,

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Speaker 4: and so you're the first person to ever tell them that.

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Speaker 4: You have to have that conversation. I mean, you live

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Speaker 4: through the emotion with them, and so you know, I'm

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Speaker 4: it's it's it becomes one of those things like I say,

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Speaker 4: affect me, you know, to cut somebody's probably time for

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Speaker 4: me to look for something else to do.

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Speaker 3: What's been your stickiest situation cutting a player or maybe

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Speaker 4: No, I've I've had a situation where you try to

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Speaker 4: And what are you saying. I'm like, well, I don't

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Speaker 3: If you felt like attention there, no, I have.

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Speaker 4: Like when I was much younger, I felt I felt

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Speaker 1: It's so interesting you say it's like it's harder to

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Speaker 1: Every single training camp, there is always at least one guy,

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Speaker 4: So I would just blend in, you gotta go see medical,

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Speaker 4: as why are you meeting with the trainers. I'm over

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Speaker 4: doing it, you would never know that I'm following this dude. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: That's the last Yeah, that's the last thing you want.

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Speaker 4: Well, the first time, I'll never forget the first person

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Speaker 4: I cut. It was the day they're saying I have

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Speaker 4: he didn't. He didn't play after that, and so he's

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Speaker 4: him one on one. So he huddles up with a

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Speaker 4: because they were like, we need to have him up

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Speaker 4: I don't know, he's.

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Speaker 3: Like your money as a player, Like, what do you

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Speaker 4: So then I had to like, hey, uh, let me

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Speaker 4: I cancel that drink. I was like, I'm good. I

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Speaker 4: And I ended up being there for like twenty minutes.

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Speaker 3: I was like, I gotta go, I gotta get out

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Speaker 4: And I just remember me and him locking eyes and

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, safety. I feel like a vet would be

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Speaker 3: They'll probably be more emotional because it is their first

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Speaker 3: but everyone ever rookie, like everybody wants to be the best,

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Speaker 3: I feel like with vets you'll have the longer conversations

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Speaker 4: That film?

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Speaker 3: I feel like there's a lot.

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Speaker 4: Of its kind of a lot more conversation that goes

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Speaker 4: I think it's a little bit easier conversation for you know,

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Speaker 4: the quote unquote journeyman that's bounced around, But for a

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Speaker 4: It's like whoa, Like this is all I know. This

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Speaker 4: it's a lot further conversation.

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Speaker 1: That was such a hard Like I thought I would

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Speaker 1: being like, we'll have to sign, like, oh no, we

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Speaker 4: Yeah, tell your release, you walk you through the process

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Speaker 2: That because that was my only time here.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, to me, man, that's crazy.

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Speaker 4: Man, I needed to.

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Speaker 3: Hey, ran first one.

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Speaker 2: Who you want first? He goes seventy seven. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 3: Here's how we're gonna freedom fairly quickly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're gonna get that guy.

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Speaker 1: That was wild because I thought there has to be

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not, it's not too formal, you know, if

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Speaker 4: you will it is you know for you, you know,

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Speaker 4: you were still rehabing. So it was one of those

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Speaker 4: It becomes a much longer process. So that's really the

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Speaker 3: Man, what got you into going from player to wanting

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Speaker 1: You think about a guy gets cut five times in

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Speaker 4: From more than five times. It's three years. I played

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Speaker 4: out there exponentially more. Yeah. No, it was something that

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Speaker 4: I always knew I wanted to do. I've always been

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Speaker 4: being amongst the scouts as they're talking about the different

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00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:28,159
Speaker 4: times and everything and charting all this, and then you know,

435
00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:30,480
Speaker 4: they would ask me questions about my teammates, like hey,

436
00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:31,960
Speaker 4: what do you think about this guy? Like is he

437
00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,080
Speaker 4: a good teammate? And you know, how do you think?

438
00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:36,240
Speaker 4: What do you think about him? On the field, and

439
00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:40,080
Speaker 4: so that started it. And then, like I said, when

440
00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:43,639
Speaker 4: years of service outweighed, when teams outweigh years of service,

441
00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:46,800
Speaker 4: it was time to transition. I tried to coach. I

442
00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,920
Speaker 4: coached high school ball down in Miami at North Miami

443
00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:53,680
Speaker 4: Senior High and O seven H knew probably the first

444
00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:57,520
Speaker 4: two weeks that that wasn't a route for me. Didn't

445
00:20:57,560 --> 00:20:59,960
Speaker 4: have a patience for. Yeah, didn't have a patience for

446
00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:04,600
Speaker 4: and I quickly knew. I was like, okay, let me try.

447
00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:08,840
Speaker 4: So then I started taking workouts with teams because I

448
00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:10,760
Speaker 4: was like, how else am I going to meet the gym? Like,

449
00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:13,200
Speaker 4: I don't have GM's phone numbers. So I knew I

450
00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:15,640
Speaker 4: didn't want to play anymore. But teams were still called like, hey,

451
00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:17,560
Speaker 4: we want to try you out, you know, And so

452
00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:20,159
Speaker 4: I would go in and do a tryout just to

453
00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:23,959
Speaker 4: be able to meet the GM and so yeah, and

454
00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:26,960
Speaker 4: so when they were still and so they would say, oh,

455
00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:29,280
Speaker 4: you know, sorry, you know, not going to sign you,

456
00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:32,240
Speaker 4: and I'm like, cool, Yeah, can I get your card?

457
00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:33,720
Speaker 4: Because I want to do what you do? One day

458
00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:36,000
Speaker 4: and that's how I meant less need. I went and

459
00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:40,280
Speaker 4: did a rookie mini camp tryout with the Falcons. Didn't

460
00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:43,320
Speaker 4: get a single rep the whole mini camp, which was perfect,

461
00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:49,560
Speaker 4: and yeah, I was yeah. I was just like, no,

462
00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:52,640
Speaker 4: I'm good. And so I remember we were walking out

463
00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:57,720
Speaker 4: of the front of the building and Less was, you know, hey, hey,

464
00:21:57,760 --> 00:21:59,399
Speaker 4: thank you, thank you for coming, you know, and I

465
00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:01,720
Speaker 4: was sugar hand. I was like, hey, man, like let

466
00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:04,240
Speaker 4: me get your card, you know, let me get your card.

467
00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:05,359
Speaker 4: I was like, I want to do what you do

468
00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:08,040
Speaker 4: one day and he was like, I don't have any

469
00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:10,399
Speaker 4: on me, but just reach out. And so when I

470
00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:12,480
Speaker 4: was trying to get back in, I remember that conversation

471
00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:15,679
Speaker 4: and my agent that I had at the time, Kevin Connor,

472
00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:19,240
Speaker 4: he had two players on the Falcons team. So I

473
00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:20,960
Speaker 4: was like, hey, man, like call the teams that you

474
00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:24,399
Speaker 4: have relationships with and let them know I'm sending cover letters,

475
00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:29,960
Speaker 4: resumes like all this stuff. And he he called me.

476
00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:32,320
Speaker 4: He was like, hey, man, I talked to Less. He said,

477
00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:35,360
Speaker 4: they doesn't have anything, but he wants to bring in

478
00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:38,520
Speaker 4: an interview and talk with you and interview with it

479
00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,760
Speaker 4: with Les and Thomas de Mitrov and Lino Vital and

480
00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:46,080
Speaker 4: Dave Calwell, all who I was with the exception of Thomas.

481
00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:51,239
Speaker 4: I had different connections with them, unknowingly right, and so

482
00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:55,240
Speaker 4: about two weeks later, Man, let's call me and offer

483
00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:56,879
Speaker 4: me a job. That's how I got it.

484
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Yo, that's fascinating, Like obviously somebody like that growing up,

485
00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:07,000
Speaker 3: magazines everything else. Like you've loved football for the longest time.

486
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:10,000
Speaker 3: And usually, like the guys, once you start playing and

487
00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:12,240
Speaker 3: you understand the business, like getting cut a few times, Like,

488
00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:14,840
Speaker 3: once you understand the teeth of it and how cut

489
00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:16,320
Speaker 3: through it can be, it kind of jade you a

490
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:19,760
Speaker 3: little bit. As a player. You maintain you're throughout this

491
00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:23,200
Speaker 3: whole thing. You're maintaining that that love for still wanting

492
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Speaker 3: to be in the business.

493
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean for me, I've been blessed to have

494
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:31,360
Speaker 4: great mentors. And one of my primary mentors back home

495
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:35,320
Speaker 4: in Key West, Bill Spots. Would you know his You

496
00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:38,240
Speaker 4: know him and his family. They do real estate development

497
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:40,960
Speaker 4: amongst other things, and they owned a couple of hotels.

498
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Speaker 4: And I remember him telling me a story when he

499
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,480
Speaker 4: was younger, you know, he told his father like, hey,

500
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:47,399
Speaker 4: one day I want to own my own hotel. And

501
00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:50,439
Speaker 4: his family owned a couple of hotels, and so his

502
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 4: father then put him in the business, and he worked

503
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Speaker 4: every level of the hotel from a bellman to run

504
00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,520
Speaker 4: in the elevator to then being behind the counter, and

505
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,439
Speaker 4: worked his way up until he became owner, you know,

506
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:05,720
Speaker 4: of one of the family hotels. And so that's kind

507
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:07,880
Speaker 4: of how I see my journey. You know, I've been

508
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 4: on the field, I've been a scout, I've been a director,

509
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:12,280
Speaker 4: and now I've been a GM. So I've worked my

510
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 4: way through an organization, you know what I mean. So

511
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:16,679
Speaker 4: I've seen it from every level, and it puts me

512
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 4: in a position to be able to identify with everybody

513
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:20,680
Speaker 4: in the building. Yeah.

514
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Speaker 1: Man, that's when you're when you finally get that call

515
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:24,800
Speaker 1: and say, hey, you want this job.

516
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:28,440
Speaker 2: You take it. Did you have any idea not the GM.

517
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:32,160
Speaker 1: Job, just like the starting out getting in with us everybody?

518
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 1: Did you have any idea of like how much of

519
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:37,680
Speaker 1: the bitch work and all that that stuff you would

520
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 1: have to do?

521
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Speaker 4: Oh? Yeah?

522
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:40,200
Speaker 1: He was there ever a pointer like is this really

523
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:41,760
Speaker 1: what I'm trying to do? Is it?

524
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:42,480
Speaker 2: Is this worth it?

525
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 5: Uh?

526
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:48,439
Speaker 4: No? So the pay pay and listen, I knew I

527
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:51,400
Speaker 4: wasn't coming in making forty million dollars, Like I knew

528
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,879
Speaker 4: that that's not what the what the job is. And

529
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:56,119
Speaker 4: you honestly don't get in the personnel to make money.

530
00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:58,199
Speaker 4: You know, you get in because you love it and

531
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:01,359
Speaker 4: you're passionate about it. But I remember getting the job,

532
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:03,960
Speaker 4: and I knew that I was gonna have to do

533
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:05,640
Speaker 4: a lot of the grunt work, and I wanted to

534
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 4: because there was a stigma attached to former players that

535
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 4: we don't want to do the menial task, and so

536
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 4: I wanted to be able to be the guy that's like,

537
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:14,639
Speaker 4: oh Na, like you need me run to the airport

538
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 4: that's an hour away. Cool, I'll you know, run to

539
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 4: the airport that's an hour away and sit in Atlanta traffic,

540
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 4: you know, for two hours to get there, just to

541
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,120
Speaker 4: more so knock down that stigma, to be able to

542
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:28,160
Speaker 4: let other former players have a shot, you know, at

543
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:31,920
Speaker 4: getting in. But it's like when they when the pay

544
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 4: is is what it was, I tell you guys off air,

545
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 4: and it's like you're rubbing Nichols together every two weeks

546
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:40,959
Speaker 4: like ooh, you know, it's like man, it's I'm like

547
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 4: I could have been doing a bunch of other things

548
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:44,920
Speaker 4: making more money than this. But again, like I said,

549
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:46,879
Speaker 4: you don't. You don't get in to make money, You

550
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 4: get in for the love of it.

551
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 3: I mean, that's a testament to your drive about wanting

552
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 3: to do something and being in the seat you're in.

553
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,360
Speaker 3: What is the relationship with Less need the most important

554
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 3: relationship you feel like you've made throughout your journey of

555
00:25:57,359 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 3: climbing to where you are now.

556
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:02,960
Speaker 4: No, it's definitely my foundation one. Like I said, everywhere

557
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 4: I've been, I've been able to foster relationships like my

558
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 4: relationship with Less. When he got the GM job at

559
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 4: the Rams, he hired me and gave me my first

560
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,119
Speaker 4: director job. You know. From there I was able to

561
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 4: you know, work with you know, Jeff Fisher, our new

562
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 4: de coordinator, Denard Wilson. We worked together at the Rams

563
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:23,240
Speaker 4: and the Frank Bushes and the Greg Williams and guys

564
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:26,119
Speaker 4: like that. And then transitioned to Sean mcvayh and his

565
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 4: staff coming in and all those guys that we were around,

566
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:33,400
Speaker 4: you know, Sean was there, you know, Mattie LeFleur was there,

567
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 4: Guys like Aubrey Pleasant, you know, all these guys were around.

568
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 4: And then go to San fran and then I mean, shit,

569
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 4: in what twenty nineteen, our draft room featured I guess

570
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 4: now five gms and four head coaches where and we

571
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,120
Speaker 4: were all in the same draft room in twenty nineteen.

572
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 4: And then you develop relationships with guys like Paragua Maraate,

573
00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 4: you know, who's run the business side for San franc

574
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 4: Cisco for twenty plus years. He was originally hired by

575
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,120
Speaker 4: Bill Walsh. And then have a guy like that take

576
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 4: you under his wing and start showing you the contract side,

577
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 4: and you know, working with guys like Koasi Adolfo Mensas

578
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 4: showing you how to incorporate analytics in football. Like it's

579
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 4: a bunch of different people who've poured into me from

580
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 4: a football that's just football. But then you meet people

581
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 4: outside of football that pour into you from a business perspective,

582
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,400
Speaker 4: because we have to remember football is football, right, That's

583
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,680
Speaker 4: what we've done our whole lives. That's what we came

584
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:33,920
Speaker 4: up doing. But at the time, Jerry Richardson was the

585
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 4: only owner that had played in the NFL, and so

586
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,920
Speaker 4: a lot of the owners are come from the business background.

587
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 4: So being able to have you know, certain mentors to

588
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 4: teach you the business side allows you to speak that

589
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 4: language you know, and you know, be on the same

590
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:53,440
Speaker 4: page with the owner from a business perspective, So it's

591
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 4: been a ton of people that have poured into me

592
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:56,360
Speaker 4: to help me get here.

593
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 1: That is wild, man. It seems like you're very aware

594
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 1: of all the people that have helped you and gotten

595
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 1: to the point you're at now, which is so awesome.

596
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 1: When it comes to the war room on the first

597
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 1: draft night, talk to me about the intensity that goes

598
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:14,159
Speaker 1: down in there. How like this draft, we know the

599
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 1: Titans want to take a tackle or pull up Bengles

600
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 1: and our quarterback got hurt, We're still going to go.

601
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 2: Get a wide receiver type of situation.

602
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,679
Speaker 1: When you guys are sitting there and Callahan, who was on,

603
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,399
Speaker 1: he said, you guys were happy with Jacon Latham or

604
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 1: Joe Walt, Like as it starts ticking and Joe Walt

605
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,199
Speaker 1: goes out at five, Like where is Like?

606
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 2: What's the energy like in that room?

607
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 4: So it's a ton of work that goes into it beforehand.

608
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 4: And I will say, and we were talking about this

609
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 4: at the office last week, I will say, of every

610
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 4: draft room I've been in, this was probably the most

611
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 4: accurate board that I've ever been a part of. From

612
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 4: because we rank them vertically. Then we rank them horizontally

613
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 4: right by position. This was probably the most accurate board

614
00:28:59,440 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 4: I've ever been.

615
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 1: Now, when you say vertically and horizontally, are you talking

616
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 1: about best players vertically?

617
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 4: Yes, we have the positions going horizontally right, just straight

618
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 4: across split offense, defense. And so if we got quarterbacks here,

619
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 4: you know, we rank them vertically, you know, from one

620
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 4: to whatever, and you do that for every position, and

621
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 4: then you go across horizontally like, okay, is this quarterback

622
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 4: better than this receiver? And then you start adjusting the

623
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 4: cards as you go. So it's kind of like this

624
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 4: as it goes across you know, the board. And so

625
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 4: we pretty much knew just based on our research. We

626
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 4: knew exactly where the first four picks were going to be.

627
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 4: And for us, the draft started at five at the Chargers.

628
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 4: And then you get to the spot where you're like, okay,

629
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 4: we have three guys you know over these next three

630
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 4: picks that we're good with any one of these three.

631
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 4: We don't have to make any sudden moves to jump up.

632
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 4: You know that it's going to cost us in the future.

633
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 4: And so it was it was a waiting game. We've

634
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 4: done enough research to know that the Chargers were going tackle,

635
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 4: and so you sit there and you're like, okay, which one,

636
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 4: and then you start playing the Well, you know, they

637
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 4: got Rashaun Slater at left tackle, so I could see

638
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 4: JC going because he's played right tackle, you know what

639
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 4: I mean. But then you're like, well, you know, the

640
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 4: Chargers were at the pro day, at Joe Waltz pro day,

641
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 4: and you start hearing like they really like him, and

642
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 4: so you're like, yeah, I could see that too. So

643
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 4: you start trying to you know, you do that part,

644
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 4: but then you got to take it a step further

645
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 4: because the Giants are right below you, and you're like, well,

646
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 4: the Giants have you know, drafted pretty well on the

647
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 4: old line and they got some guys. But it's like,

648
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 4: all right, well what if they go what if one

649
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 4: of the tackles say whoever they take, whether JC or Joe.

650
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 4: But what if the Giants decide we're going to take tackle.

651
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 4: I'm like, okay, then that pushes one of the other

652
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 4: guys to us, and we got to be comfortable with that.

653
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 4: So we work all those scenarios. So when we got

654
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 4: there and we're just sitting there and it's like you're

655
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:08,479
Speaker 4: you're at the behest of the Chargers. So now you

656
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 4: start hitting your contacts like, hey, what are you hearing?

657
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 4: What do you know? You're hitting your contacts that are

658
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 4: in the green room, like, hey, what does it look

659
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 4: like over at this table? In this table? And then

660
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 4: you know, we so we usually find out a little

661
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 4: bit before you know, the it's announced, and so it's like,

662
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 4: you know, Chargers pick us in, and then it shows

663
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 4: on our screen and it says Joe out, and so

664
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 4: we're like, okay, and that before yeah.

665
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 2: So as soon as they put put the car before

666
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 2: Goodell walks up.

667
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, we know because because the next team is

668
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 4: immediately on the clock. And so we're like okay, and

669
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 4: now we wait, you know, to see what the Giants do.

670
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 4: And when once we saw that Joe went to the Chargers,

671
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 4: we were pretty certain that they were going to take

672
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 4: that the Giants were going to take Neighbors, and so

673
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 4: it was like, you know, say, Sagi, you know, get

674
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 4: me j C's number. And you know, Sagi's been here.

675
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 4: I think this was his nineteenth draft with the team,

676
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 4: and he's like, hey, do we want to jinx it?

677
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 4: And I was like, listen, if we got to rip

678
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 4: it up. We rip it up, and then we called

679
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 4: the next person you know what I mean. I was like,

680
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 4: but just have it ready, and so he got me

681
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 4: the got me the number, and we waited and when

682
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 4: they took neighbors, I was like, all right, we got

683
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 4: the big fellows.

684
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 3: When you know you're gonna take JC and the teams

685
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 3: behind you don't have a needed tackle is there? Like

686
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 3: are you trying to act till you figure out like, hey,

687
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 3: y'all want to come up?

688
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 4: No, it was some teams like that called and they

689
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 4: were like, hey, like we're interested in coming up. Was

690
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 4: a close no because for me it was like we're

691
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 4: not going to pass on a dude that we think

692
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 4: like super highly of, like just to gain like move

693
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 4: back a couple of spots. And yeah, it was. It was.

694
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 4: We filled it all probably the first five minutes we

695
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 4: were on the clock just to see, you know, if

696
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 4: anything was gonna blow us away, and didn't didn't come close,

697
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 4: And so we picked up the phone and called a

698
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 4: big fella and was damn happy to get him.

699
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 3: What's been the craziest draft room moment You've been a

700
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 3: part of.

701
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 1: Everyone here watching right now thinking about the movie draft day, Yeah,

702
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 1: tradings move and maybe the place talk about one where

703
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 1: the players not playing anymore where you could talk about it.

704
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 4: No, no, I'll tell you. Last year, we get on

705
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 4: the clock in the third round and Raves and I

706
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 4: are sitting there and we're discussing, like hey man, I'm like,

707
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 4: let's let's go running back, you know, right here, and

708
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 4: you're looking on the board and you know, we were like, hey,

709
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 4: let's let's go with the Tulane kid, you know, Taj.

710
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 4: So then a team calls and they're like, hey, we're

711
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 4: interested in coming to the to your pick, and they

712
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 4: made an offer, and so we had like I have

713
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 4: these screens in front of me that has like the

714
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 4: trade calculator, and so you know, I started looking at

715
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 4: what I was like, no, that's not gonna get it.

716
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 3: Oh is your trade calculator like Madden? Like it's just

717
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 3: green green.

718
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, so it's it's I don't know because I don't

719
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 4: I don't play I don't play mad trying to click

720
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:09,840
Speaker 4: it in, Yeah, I'm like, I don't play Madden like that,

721
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 4: But it's like similar. So there's like there's a bunch

722
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 4: of different ones that you can use. Trade charts but

723
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 4: mostly everybody used the Jimmy Johnson trade chart, so just

724
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 4: clicking through it. I told him that offer didn't work,

725
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 4: and then I was like, but hey, if you give

726
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 4: us this this and the next year's this, then yeah,

727
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 4: we could do it. And then the guy, the guy

728
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 4: who I was speaking to, he was like, na, we

729
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 4: you know, we'd be out. I was like, all right, cool,

730
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,280
Speaker 4: we're going to make the pick. So I tell SAG.

731
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 4: I'm like, hey, can you give me tay J. Spears' number.

732
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 4: I think by this time it's probably let's just say,

733
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 4: three minutes on the clock, and I'm literally downing the number.

734
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 4: Hit the last number. That team calls back and they're

735
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 4: keep calling. They want to do the deal, the one

736
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 4: that you proposed, the one that I proposed. They said no.

737
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 4: And then they came back right as we're calling to

738
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:12,879
Speaker 4: accept the deal, you know, and I'm like, it's too late,

739
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 4: So pick up the phone answers. He's like hello, and

740
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 4: all I say is and he goes crazy, like screaming.

741
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:29,399
Speaker 4: Everybody in the family everybody's cheering, and I'm like, yo,

742
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 4: like I haven't said anything yet, and he's like, let's go,

743
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 4: let's go. So I'm like hey, man, like hold on,

744
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 4: like you know, let's let's talk. And he's going he's

745
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 4: going crazy.

746
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 2: Thinking about taking the deal.

747
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 3: No, no, I'm not going you're about to be hold on.

748
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 4: But then click, phone hangs up, and so I'm like,

749
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 4: call back. So I called back. My bad, my bad,

750
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 4: my bad. Hey, y'all got to shut up. And so

751
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 4: I get back. I'm like, hey, man, you know, call

752
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 4: him like, hey, we're gonna take you with this pic.

753
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 4: And everybody's still going crazy. By this time, it's like,

754
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:11,720
Speaker 4: I see it now, it's one forty eight on the clock,

755
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:16,240
Speaker 4: before we run out of time. Click phone hangs up again,

756
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:19,360
Speaker 4: and at this point I look at Vin Marino. I'm like,

757
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 4: just turn it in, like we've tried him and his

758
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 4: family to see it, come up on it, Like, just

759
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 4: turn it in. So we called back again and he's like, man,

760
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I was like, well,

761
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 4: hold on, I said, I'm gonna let you talk to

762
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 4: coach Rabes, and of course, you guys know Rabes. Rabes

763
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 4: gets on the phone. He's like, hey, listen, man, if

764
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 4: this is the start of your NFL career, you're not

765
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:44,359
Speaker 4: getting off on the good foot. You know what I mean. Yeah,

766
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 4: and they talked for a little bit and then I mean,

767
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 4: obviously Taj is great, you know, it's just super good.

768
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 4: Dude works his behind off. But that was like a crazy.

769
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 3: Are you thinking? Like as you're down the number and

770
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:00,880
Speaker 3: then the team wants to accept whatever the trade is

771
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 3: as a party is like I've already dialed the number, I.

772
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 4: Can now And that's always my thought process. It's like,

773
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 4: once I make up my mind to pick, like I'm

774
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 4: it's it's over, you know, like I'm I'm moving on,

775
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 4: like I'm not entertaining that. And I mean for us,

776
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 4: you know, obviously you you document everything. You got a

777
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 4: camera right in your face as you're doing this, so

778
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 4: you gotta maintain maximum composure, you know. And it's, uh,

779
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:27,839
Speaker 4: but again like once once we make our mind up

780
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 4: to pick, we're picking.

781
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:30,720
Speaker 2: So what you talk about the camera?

782
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 4: Man?

783
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 1: I think about that Aj Brownshade, Yeah, very able, standing

784
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,439
Speaker 1: up walking kind of doing one of these things right here.

785
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 1: That was It's one of those not composure moments.

786
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, and and again it's it's you know,

787
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 4: because you have, you know, you have a responsibility to

788
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 4: your fan base to try to give them as much

789
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 4: as possible and show them everything that you're doing. But

790
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 4: when it's when it's that now I'm what I'm feeling

791
00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 4: on the inside versus what's being shown could be totally yeah,

792
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. Like, and everybody has their

793
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 4: little things that they do. You know, I have a

794
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 4: baseball that I'm usually like have with me, whether I'm

795
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 4: you know, squeezing the hell out of the baseball, you know,

796
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 4: underneath the table or whatever the case may be. I remember,

797
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 4: you know, Less would have his little shards of paper

798
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:18,959
Speaker 4: that he's just kind of ripping up. I know, Jeff

799
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,959
Speaker 4: Fisher had a lucky coin you know, that he had

800
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 4: with him, you know, on draft night. So everybody has

801
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 4: their little their little deals to just you know, help

802
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 4: them keep composure.

803
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 3: You mentioned earlier like this is the most accurate board

804
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 3: you've ever ever been a part of. What do you

805
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:33,399
Speaker 3: mean by that?

806
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:36,720
Speaker 4: From just from the way that we had them ranked

807
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 4: to how they came off the board. You know. So

808
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,360
Speaker 4: some teams, everybody does it difference. Some teams stack the

809
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 4: board just for them in how they see it and

810
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 4: who fits them, you know. So there may be some

811
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 4: good players that are not on your board because it

812
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 4: doesn't fit your scheme, and then you have some teams

813
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 4: that stack it based on okay, this is how we

814
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 4: think they're gonna, you know, come off the board, and

815
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 4: for us, we stack it for us. You know, we

816
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 4: don't care what everybody else think. We stacked the board

817
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 4: for us. And as we're sitting there and we're watching,

818
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 4: I mean, it was I mean, I think everybody felt

819
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 4: Caleb Williams was going number one, so you knew that

820
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 4: how that was going to go. But then as we

821
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 4: started going positionally, you're looking and they were just coming off,

822
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 4: you know, the exact way we predicted it to, which

823
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 4: which is ultimately what led us, you know, in the

824
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 4: second round at thirty eight, you know, to take big

825
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 4: sweat you know there. And what I like to do,

826
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 4: you know, particularly with miss Amy and Kenneth is you know,

827
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 4: leading up to the draft, like hey, come on in,

828
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 4: let us show you the board and here and we're

829
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 4: gonna we're gonna talk through every position and this is

830
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 4: where we think, this is how it's gonna go. And

831
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 4: we got to the second round. We met earlier that

832
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 4: morning and it was like, hey, this is what I think,

833
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,240
Speaker 4: this is how the second round is gonna unfold once

834
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 4: this team here is gonna pick this, and then once

835
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 4: they picked this, it's gonna be a run at this position,

836
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 4: and then it's gonna be a run here, and then

837
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 4: it'll be this, and then once this person goes there's

838
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:08,359
Speaker 4: gonna be another run. And it just went exactly.

839
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 3: I didn't know if you meant every whoever's a part

840
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 3: of the entire draft process. You guys all kind of

841
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 3: accurately saw it the same versus you're like, all the

842
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:19,359
Speaker 3: times you've been in the with all the different teams

843
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 3: in all different years.

844
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:23,760
Speaker 4: I'll tell you what is different pages there's I'm pretty

845
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 4: sure there's been other times in my career, but the

846
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:27,879
Speaker 4: one that comes to mind for me, the first time

847
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,359
Speaker 4: I've ever seen, I say, the first time I've ever

848
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 4: seen all the scouts and all the coaches have the

849
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:37,919
Speaker 4: exact same grade and thought on a player was Rob

850
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 4: Havenstein when he came out of Wisconsin and I was

851
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 4: at the RAMS and we took him in the second round.

852
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 4: He had consistently the same grade by every single person

853
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 4: in our organization. That that was the first time I've

854
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:54,240
Speaker 4: ever seen it. I don't I can't remember seeing it recently. Again,

855
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:57,399
Speaker 4: and sometimes it's I mean, most of our grades are

856
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:00,360
Speaker 4: color you know, they're color based with the number and

857
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 4: decimal system in between. And sometimes you have like everybody

858
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,839
Speaker 4: thinks this guy is a red starter. This guy's gonna

859
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 4: be a good starter for a long time. Red is good?

860
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 2: Is that the best color? No?

861
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 4: Blue? Yeah? Blue is blue is the you know, And

862
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 4: a lot of times, yeah, a lot of times we

863
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 4: talk in colors, right, hey man, this guy is a

864
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 4: red player, he's a blue player, and so we talking colors.

865
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 4: And so sometimes even within the red, the red grade,

866
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 4: it's like a couple of couple of decimals, so it's

867
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 4: different levels of red. But then to have for every

868
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 4: single body, every single person to have the same exact

869
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 4: number grade in color grade on on a guy was

870
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:41,360
Speaker 4: it was like a cool thing to see.

871
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 1: You know how you can figure out exactly what the

872
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 1: draft is going to happen? You just hire Os the mentalist.

873
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 4: You know what. I didn't see the clip, but I

874
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,399
Speaker 4: see all his I'm a big YouTube short guy because

875
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 4: I don't have social media, and so I see all

876
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 4: his stuff and I just think it'll be so dope

877
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 4: to I hope he he's watching, uh to have him

878
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 4: come in during camp. Yes, yeah, who else he's yeah,

879
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 4: he's done.

880
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 2: He showed you see he predicted the first thirteen picks.

881
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 3: No, bro, no, I didn't see that.

882
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 1: Oh he like did I think it was the Raiders

883
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 1: And he was like Raiders brought bours at thirteen and

884
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 1: then he had a small little sheet next to us

885
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 1: are unraveling. It was like trade here, this pic, this pick,

886
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:25,879
Speaker 1: this pick, every single pick, the first thirteen picks.

887
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 4: Someone he's going to have to be our consultant.

888
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, he comes in lets war room next year. That's

889
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 2: what I'm saying.

890
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're going to pick this guy, but he has

891
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 1: to do it an elaboratory single time.

892
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 4: Can you imagine how funny it would be just to

893
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 4: show him in our draft room standing over Cali and

894
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 4: I shoulder like the camera. Yeah, bro, it was this

895
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 4: is our secret weapon to.

896
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 3: Day.

897
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 2: Finally it's like, this is your pick. It's like he

898
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 2: was right, Yeah it was our pick. Dude.

899
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 3: What was your thought on the Atlanta Falcons taking Pinnix

900
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 3: GM chair. You kind of see too the video of

901
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 3: the owner talking to Terry the GM and people are

902
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 3: kind of like saying whatever, like oh, wonder what this

903
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 3: conversation is.

904
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 4: That's I kid you not like we had a we

905
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 4: had an inkling that that was going to happen, that

906
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 4: they were going to take them. You got to understand

907
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 4: our assistant GM, Anthony Robinson, he just came from Atlanta,

908
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:24,800
Speaker 4: so he spent his whole career in Atlanta. I started

909
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 4: my career in Atlanta, you know, with him, So you

910
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:31,280
Speaker 4: kind of get a feel for how things are done organizationally,

911
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 4: regardless of who's running it. But we we probably about

912
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 4: two weeks prior we were we were sitting around, we

913
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:42,280
Speaker 4: were talking about all them. We called it team Needs

914
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 4: and we're kind of going through it, and we were

915
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:49,840
Speaker 4: like quarterback and it was like so you start playing

916
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 4: with it, and then it kind of became clear. It

917
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 4: was like man, like they really could go pandis right here.

918
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 4: And so when it happened, I wish you could see,

919
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 4: like our room, we kind of like boys kind of

920
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 4: looked at each other like so it wasn't a real

921
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:04,839
Speaker 4: surprise to us.

922
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, how do you obviously there's so many variables, but

923
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 3: as a GM, like how do you see that pick

924
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:14,400
Speaker 3: for like Atlanta? I mean it's a wild question. How

925
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 3: do you feel that.

926
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 4: No no, I mean I understand, Yeah, I understand, because

927
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 4: you you always have to have a plan for the future,

928
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 4: and that's at every position, right, I mean I can

929
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:29,720
Speaker 4: remember because you study other people's drafts, right, You study

930
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 4: how people do it, you know, organizationally, teams that like

931
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 4: like Seattle with John Schneider, they've done a good job

932
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 4: of always staying, you know, ahead. Mickey Loomis in New

933
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 4: Orleans is usually the first one that comes to mind

934
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 4: for me, especially when they were rolling they had Drew

935
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 4: and Sean Payton was there. They always drafted a year

936
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 4: ahead of a need, so you had a young guy there.

937
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 4: You think back when they had Jeremy Shockey, they draft

938
00:44:57,719 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 4: Jimmy Graham in the third. You know, all those times

939
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 4: they had, you know, guys up front. I remember when

940
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 4: they took Andre's Pete played them at guard early, then

941
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:09,839
Speaker 4: he became the tackle. Like they they always drafted year

942
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:11,839
Speaker 4: ahead of need. They did it at corner, they did

943
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 4: it at receiver, they did it at running back, where

944
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 4: you might look heavy at that position. But then the

945
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:18,879
Speaker 4: next year they move on from a guy or guys

946
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 4: a free agent, they don't pay them, and then they

947
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 4: got the next guy already he's already been in the

948
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 4: system for a year and now you just step into

949
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 4: your row.

950
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 3: I was just gonna say, it feels like to be

951
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 3: in that spot of being able to draft a head.

952
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 3: You have to do so well in the drafts, you know,

953
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:35,840
Speaker 3: leading up to it, like you hit on guys, you

954
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 3: have a good room, because if not, you have a

955
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 3: glaring hole that it's like, well, we can't really afford

956
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 3: the draft to head.

957
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 4: Yeah. No, they tell you all the time, like when

958
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 4: you're coming up in this business and you're learning, like

959
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 4: the draft is where it happens, is where you really

960
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 4: build your team, and you know, you you cut your

961
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:54,800
Speaker 4: teeth and you you make your way building through the drafts,

962
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 4: you know, because it gives you, you know, such leeway,

963
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 4: like we don't we're not able to make the free

964
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:02,880
Speaker 4: agent moves we made if we have to pay our

965
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 4: quarterback fifty million, you know, right, So we got a good,

966
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 4: you know, promising young quarterback who's on a rookie deal.

967
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:12,720
Speaker 4: What gives us more room to kind of build around him? Now,

968
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 4: Prayer forly. You know he's going to flip soon, and

969
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 4: you know he plays extremely well and you know his

970
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:23,839
Speaker 4: his contract, you know, shows that, and so now it's

971
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 4: back to us building through the draft because we're going

972
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:29,879
Speaker 4: to have to surround him with young talented players because

973
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 4: you can't go out and pay you know, everybody, you know,

974
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 4: especially with the with the with the cost of doing

975
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 4: business now, you know, you can't afford to pay everybody.

976
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, when you're going through the draft and stuff like that,

977
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:43,319
Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of owners want to be

978
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 1: more part of it, less a part of it, and

979
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 1: kind of give their opinion more oftentimes than not.

980
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:49,319
Speaker 2: How is miss Amy when it comes to the draft?

981
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 2: How did she handle it?

982
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 4: She's the best because miss Amy is miss Amy. She

983
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:56,400
Speaker 4: trusts when she hires you to do a job, she

984
00:46:56,440 --> 00:47:00,319
Speaker 4: trusts you to do the job. And so she doesn't

985
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:02,839
Speaker 4: come in and say, hey, no, let's make this guy

986
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 4: number one, or I like this guy more. She just

987
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 4: wants to know the why. And so that's why we

988
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:12,840
Speaker 4: do a good job. I think of over communicating with

989
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 4: her and we bring her in a couple of days

990
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 4: before the draft and we show her the entire board.

991
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 4: Here's why you know we like this guy, Here's where

992
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 4: we think this guy can fit. And it's just a

993
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 4: group of us in the room. We close the door,

994
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:28,439
Speaker 4: we lock it, and we're in there for a couple

995
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:30,720
Speaker 4: of hours, and we explain the whole board to her

996
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 4: and again, and when once she sees it and she

997
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 4: sees how it's unfolding, and it's unfolding the way you

998
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 4: said it would, and now she has a little bit

999
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 4: more trusting you, you know, and so she just she

1000
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:44,959
Speaker 4: trusts us to do our job, which is the best.

1001
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:47,359
Speaker 1: Have you seen it the other way where owners come

1002
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 1: in and they're a little more won their finger on

1003
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:51,280
Speaker 1: the pulseter want to make the decision.

1004
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:58,359
Speaker 4: Well not, because I've been with what four clubs, I've

1005
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:00,120
Speaker 4: never seen it to where the owners like, hey, we

1006
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 4: should take this guy. But I've seen, you know, I've

1007
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:06,839
Speaker 4: seen it where the owner not only wants to know

1008
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:11,319
Speaker 4: the why, but he's like are we sure? Or if

1009
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 4: a player goes like, hey, why didn't we take this guy?

1010
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:16,720
Speaker 4: You know, I've seen that, you know, that question before.

1011
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 4: But I've never been in a place where the owners like,

1012
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:22,880
Speaker 4: you know, hey, I watched tape last night and I

1013
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 4: like this kid?

1014
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 1: Do they come do? A lot of the owners come

1015
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 1: in kind of well versed in what's going on in

1016
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:29,280
Speaker 1: that first round?

1017
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 4: Yeah and yeah, and I think I think I'm not

1018
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 4: going to make it seem like we're the only ones

1019
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 4: that communicate with our owner, because I think all gms

1020
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 4: communicate with their owner and what they like. But I

1021
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 4: think everybody informs their owners of hey, here the here

1022
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:46,359
Speaker 4: the pot of guys that we like at this pick,

1023
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 4: and so they're aware. I won't give our secrets of

1024
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:53,279
Speaker 4: what we do, but I miss Amy's well informed, you know,

1025
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 4: every guy heading into to the draft.

1026
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 3: How do you feel like your role as GM has

1027
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 3: developed from you one year two? Because you've obviously had

1028
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 3: a different You had very last year, you have Callahan

1029
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:07,239
Speaker 3: this year. Talk about those relationships, talk about how your

1030
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 3: rules developed as a GM.

1031
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 4: I think my role has developed. It's just developed more

1032
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 4: because I'm more comfortable I have another, you know, a

1033
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 4: year doing it last year. Last year, I couldn't imagine

1034
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 4: doing it without Rapes, you know, because he was He's

1035
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 4: a vet, you know, one of the smartest you know,

1036
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 4: football minds I've ever been around. And just having him

1037
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 4: there to bounce things off of, you know, because I

1038
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:39,319
Speaker 4: don't I don't give damn what position you're in. You've

1039
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:41,880
Speaker 4: never done it till you've done it. You know, you

1040
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 4: can read every book there is. You know, I can

1041
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 4: go and read every book there is on how to

1042
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 4: play basketball. But I've never played basketball till I've been

1043
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:51,879
Speaker 4: out there on that court. And and so that's how

1044
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 4: it was for me in a GM spot. But I

1045
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 4: had a guy in Mike that I can go and say, hey, man,

1046
00:49:56,680 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 4: like how does this part work? You know, not sure

1047
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 4: you know about this? And so this year I'm more

1048
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 4: comfortable because there are more things that have come up,

1049
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 4: like okay, like I know how to handle that, and

1050
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:10,759
Speaker 4: you know, go through that phase of it. But that's

1051
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 4: the that's really it. Like the more time on task,

1052
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 4: the more comfortable you're gonna be.

1053
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:19,240
Speaker 1: With Mike and his departure from the Titans, it seemed

1054
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 1: a little bit abrupt because I think, as as a

1055
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 1: fan base, Jackie McPherson with the Titans hat in the back,

1056
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 1: he's been a longtime Titans fan. A lot of people

1057
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 1: were saying like, oh, okay, we obviously have issues because

1058
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 1: we're not wanting a whole lot of games and Mike's

1059
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 1: not the problem. And then shortly after the season end, Mike,

1060
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:35,319
Speaker 1: Mike is gone.

1061
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 2: How was that transition for y'all? How how those discussions

1062
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:39,400
Speaker 2: for what you can say.

1063
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 4: I'd say it was it was it was tough. That

1064
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 4: day was really tough. I speak personally, it was one

1065
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:50,759
Speaker 4: of those you know, and this is just being full transparent,

1066
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 4: you know. When it happened, I called my wife and

1067
00:50:56,640 --> 00:51:00,080
Speaker 4: I was like, hey, like this this just happened. And

1068
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:03,239
Speaker 4: and the first thing my wife says is, you know,

1069
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 4: you need to call Rea, which is my daughter. And

1070
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 4: I'm like why She was like, because she doesn't need

1071
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 4: to hear that coach got fired from one of the

1072
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 4: kids in school, you know, because my kids don't have

1073
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:18,439
Speaker 4: social media, and so my daughter had a really close

1074
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 4: relationship with Mike and if you look on her screensaver

1075
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:23,719
Speaker 4: on her phone right now, it's a picture of her

1076
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 4: and Mike, you know, and that hasn't changed. And so

1077
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:31,719
Speaker 4: you know, not only to have that happen to him,

1078
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:34,920
Speaker 4: but to now I got to communicate this to my daughter,

1079
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 4: you know, and then to have my he's now seven

1080
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 4: year old son, who he thinks he's the GM and

1081
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 4: the owner and the head coach. He legitimately when he

1082
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 4: got out of school, my wife told him and he

1083
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 4: was like, like, what are you doing? Like my son said,

1084
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 4: this to me, you know what I mean. And so

1085
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 4: it was tough, you know, it was tough. And then

1086
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 4: to you know, go out and you know, you again,

1087
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:03,800
Speaker 4: I'm not on social media, but you can feel heat,

1088
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:06,920
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, you can you can feel heat.

1089
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:09,439
Speaker 4: And I knew what it was, but I also knew

1090
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:12,839
Speaker 4: that it was, you know, unfortunate that it happened. And

1091
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 4: I and and again listen, Mike will be coaching at

1092
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 4: no time. You know, he'll be back on the sideline

1093
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 4: in no time, and he's going to do well wherever

1094
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:22,799
Speaker 4: he goes, because that's just in his DNA and who

1095
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 4: he is. But you know, I knew after that happened,

1096
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:30,720
Speaker 4: it was no time to sit back and soak and

1097
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 4: you know, lick your wounds. It was like, we have

1098
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 4: to deliver the next guy, you know, and how And

1099
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 4: it was a man. That happened on a Tuesday, and

1100
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 4: literally you work through Tuesday night putting the list together.

1101
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 4: And mind you, I've never interviewed a head coach before,

1102
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. So then now yeah, and

1103
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 4: so now it's like you spend you spend Tuesday identifying

1104
00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:00,200
Speaker 4: a list, right, And that's a lot of conversations with

1105
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 4: a lot of people. You do that until Wednesday, and

1106
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:06,240
Speaker 4: then you get the request out to the clubs because

1107
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 4: it's that time of year everybody's trying to interview. And

1108
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:13,719
Speaker 4: then you spend all day Wednesday, all night Wednesday, all

1109
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 4: through Thursday putting the structure in the interview together, also

1110
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:23,280
Speaker 4: scheduling interviews, and then boom Friday, you have your first interview,

1111
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:27,760
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. And so oddly enough Calli

1112
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 4: was our first interview, and so you try to for

1113
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:33,759
Speaker 4: me personally, I was like, you know, we need to

1114
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 4: be ahead of the curve, you know, when it comes

1115
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 4: to it, We need to be ahead of the whole

1116
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 4: hiring cycle because there were so many jobs open, and

1117
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 4: we were like, you don't want to get behind in

1118
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 4: this phase. And so we were, you know, we were

1119
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 4: very detailed, and you know, we took a really good

1120
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:57,360
Speaker 4: approach to it. You know. However, it was like it

1121
00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:00,319
Speaker 4: was pretty clear, you know, once we sat with Calli

1122
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:01,759
Speaker 4: that that he was the guy.

1123
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:04,800
Speaker 3: I got a two part question. As you were experiencing

1124
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 3: the interview process for the first time, what do you

1125
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:09,840
Speaker 3: feel like ended up being the most important question in

1126
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 3: the interview? And then the second question is what jumped

1127
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:15,839
Speaker 3: out about Cali that was like, we can't really let

1128
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:17,720
Speaker 3: him hypothetically leave the building.

1129
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:21,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I think the biggest thing for me, And again,

1130
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 4: I've been around Rabes, I've been around Kyle Shanahan, I've

1131
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 4: been around Jeff Fisher, been around Sean McVay. These guys

1132
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:34,319
Speaker 4: are excellent at situational football, you know, just overall just

1133
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 4: situations of the game. And so it was talking about

1134
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:42,120
Speaker 4: concepts like that, you know, in the interview, but then

1135
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:46,040
Speaker 4: you follow it up with who's your coaching staff? Who's

1136
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:48,440
Speaker 4: your coaching staff gonna be? And again, anybody can come

1137
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 4: in and say, you know, I'm gonna hire Vince Lombardi

1138
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:54,200
Speaker 4: be my head coach, Bill Belichick's gonna be the decordinator,

1139
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 4: and Bill Walsh is gonna be my offensive coordinator. You know,

1140
00:54:57,640 --> 00:55:00,880
Speaker 4: but who can you really deliver? One thing that stood

1141
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:05,400
Speaker 4: out with CALLI was he had a depth chart of coaches.

1142
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 4: And I'm not saying when I say a depth chart,

1143
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 4: I don't and he literally had a three deep. But

1144
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:12,920
Speaker 4: it wasn't just like all right, I want this guy,

1145
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 4: and if I can't get this guy, then this guy's

1146
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:17,799
Speaker 4: the backup. And if I can't get him do this. No,

1147
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 4: he had these are three tier one, here's three tier two,

1148
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:26,839
Speaker 4: here's three tier three. And he had that for every

1149
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 4: single position. And so you knew looking at that, like

1150
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:33,359
Speaker 4: this guy's put a lot of thought process into this,

1151
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 4: you know, and he's well thought out. He's well researched.

1152
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:37,920
Speaker 4: And I can say, because I was looking at it

1153
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:42,600
Speaker 4: the other day, like we legitimately got number one on

1154
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:44,840
Speaker 4: every one of his positions.

1155
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 2: Damn he had his old man.

1156
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:48,839
Speaker 4: He did not. He did not have his old man

1157
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 4: on the list he was. And I talked in the interview.

1158
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:54,359
Speaker 4: I was like, hey man, elephant in the room, what's

1159
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 4: up with pops? Are we trying to heat And he

1160
00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 4: was like, hey man, honestly, we haven't had to come conversation.

1161
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 4: He said. We talked about it briefly last year and

1162
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:07,840
Speaker 4: just ultimately decided that it wasn't the best thing. And

1163
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 4: he was like, we haven't had the conversation. Man.

1164
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:13,480
Speaker 1: That's perfectly aligned with what he said, because he had

1165
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 1: said the same thing, like when the opportunity might have

1166
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:17,879
Speaker 1: come up last year, his dad was essentially like no.

1167
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:20,759
Speaker 1: And then after when he gets this job, his dad

1168
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:22,359
Speaker 1: calls me. I was all think about it without even

1169
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 1: any context.

1170
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:24,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah about it.

1171
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 4: I'll be honest with you, because I I called Bill,

1172
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 4: I called him big coach. I've asked big coach. You know.

1173
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:33,600
Speaker 4: I was like, there was it ever a thing? Because

1174
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:35,279
Speaker 4: I know from my dad, my dad always wanted to

1175
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:37,840
Speaker 4: coach me, and my dad ended up being my position

1176
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 4: coach in Dallas. And that lasted two weeks, you know,

1177
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:43,719
Speaker 4: and it was like, this is not gonna work. Is

1178
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 4: it didn't work? But you know he was like he said,

1179
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 4: Bill told me. He said, it wasn't until I watched

1180
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:56,759
Speaker 4: this press conference that I really started thinking about it. Really, yeah,

1181
00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 4: he said, it wasn't until he watched the press.

1182
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:01,399
Speaker 1: His press comments was a little bit emotional when talking

1183
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 1: about his wife and everything, and it was really.

1184
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:03,839
Speaker 2: Cool to see.

1185
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, And like I said this, and you know, when

1186
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:09,520
Speaker 4: you guys come around like this coaching staff is it's

1187
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 4: it's something man like the defensive staff they are they're

1188
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:17,520
Speaker 4: their own people, and our offensive staff and just you know,

1189
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 4: just to be through the building and the energy and

1190
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 4: the juice you know that's in the building, and it's

1191
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 4: just it's just been cool. And again, you I know

1192
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:28,200
Speaker 4: some of these guys because I've worked with them and

1193
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:30,720
Speaker 4: a lot of guys I don't know, but I mean

1194
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:32,440
Speaker 4: we're a couple of months in and it feels like

1195
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:34,200
Speaker 4: I've known these dudes forever.

1196
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:37,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, you feel like that was that was one that's

1197
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:39,480
Speaker 3: been one of the bigger differences, the juice and energy

1198
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:40,840
Speaker 3: with the staff and in the building.

1199
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:43,440
Speaker 4: Well, I say this, I say the I know when

1200
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 4: CALLI was putting his staff together, and the cool you

1201
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 4: know thing that he afforded me was he was like, hey, man, like,

1202
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:53,520
Speaker 4: I don't want to just hire people, right, just hire

1203
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:55,240
Speaker 4: my buddies. He was like, I want you to feel

1204
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 4: good about the coaches that I want. He was like,

1205
00:57:57,520 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 4: so let's interview them. And he was like, and I

1206
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 4: want you in the interview to, you know, ask as

1207
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:05,760
Speaker 4: many questions, you know. And so everybody that we brought in,

1208
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:07,800
Speaker 4: like I was a part of interviewing them and getting

1209
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 4: to know them. And so you feel that. But the

1210
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:14,240
Speaker 4: one thing that CALLI talks about a lot is connectiveness.

1211
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 4: And he was like, in our staff, we have to

1212
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:20,280
Speaker 4: be the example of that for our locker room, you

1213
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:22,640
Speaker 4: know what I mean. And so it's those guys are

1214
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:26,560
Speaker 4: always together, never not together, you know, And like I said,

1215
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 4: it's just a cool group of dudes, and it's competitive

1216
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 4: as competitive as hell. We even have like a four

1217
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:37,680
Speaker 4: thirty workout group with our strength coach, and it's like

1218
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:40,840
Speaker 4: anywhere from ten to twelve of us at four thirty.

1219
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:43,800
Speaker 4: And listen, when I'm out there, it looks pitiful, you

1220
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:47,200
Speaker 4: know what. I like running hundreds and you know, all

1221
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:49,840
Speaker 4: these things. But it's another way for us to connect,

1222
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:52,760
Speaker 4: you know, and build together. And I think the players

1223
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:54,880
Speaker 4: see it, you know, and feel like, hey man, these

1224
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:56,760
Speaker 4: dudes are really together and they're not just talking.

1225
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:58,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's sick to see that you guys are gonna

1226
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 1: line because it seems like that's always like a main

1227
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 1: thing of the downfall of a program, whether it's college

1228
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:07,120
Speaker 1: or NFL, Like the ad and the head coach don't

1229
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:09,440
Speaker 1: get along, that falls apart, and then inevitably.

1230
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:09,720
Speaker 2: Both of them are go on.

1231
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:12,360
Speaker 1: And with you and Kelly, it just seems like just

1232
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:14,480
Speaker 1: hearing you guys both talk. So because we've shot these

1233
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:17,880
Speaker 1: episodes within what two days, hearing you guys both talk,

1234
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:19,920
Speaker 1: you seem so aligned on the vision and what you

1235
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 1: guys want to do. But it took a lot to

1236
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:24,080
Speaker 1: get there. You look at the end of this past

1237
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 1: season and you're looking at a pretty destroyed roster the

1238
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 1: King leaves, you know, you're missing a lot of pieces

1239
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:34,440
Speaker 1: and it's essentially like an everest to build up. And

1240
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:36,640
Speaker 1: now we're sitting in the middle of May, and you guys,

1241
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:38,240
Speaker 1: are the Titans are in the best position in the

1242
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:40,600
Speaker 1: world because you look at the power rankings of the

1243
00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:44,160
Speaker 1: NFL and everyone thinks you guys are shit. But if

1244
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:46,320
Speaker 1: I were to read you a list of your roster

1245
00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:48,840
Speaker 1: and you'd say, is this team gonna be good or bad?

1246
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 2: Just talent alone?

1247
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:53,400
Speaker 1: It's like these boys can they got something cooking over there.

1248
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:55,680
Speaker 1: So truly the best position you can possibly be in

1249
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 1: in May before the coming up football season. Like what

1250
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:00,640
Speaker 1: when you were looking at this big project going into

1251
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:03,040
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, where was the starting point for y'all?

1252
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:07,120
Speaker 4: I mean, honestly, the starting point. It didn't start when

1253
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 4: Calli got here, you know what I mean? Because the

1254
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:14,160
Speaker 4: free agency work, the free agency part, it was, the

1255
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:17,840
Speaker 4: front end of the work was done in December, you know,

1256
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:22,720
Speaker 4: with the staff that we have, and so when Cali came,

1257
01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:26,919
Speaker 4: obviously scheme changes, so some players are shifted in move

1258
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:30,440
Speaker 4: like okay, this guy fits better, you know now, And

1259
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:33,800
Speaker 4: so that's the adjustment. The cool thing that him and

1260
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:37,720
Speaker 4: his staff did when they came in, they we all

1261
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:39,960
Speaker 4: met all our scouts, and we're lucky because all of

1262
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:43,880
Speaker 4: our college scouts lived here in town, and so we

1263
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:46,160
Speaker 4: had our whole staff and the whole coaching staff. And

1264
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 4: then they showed us they put highlight tapes together positional profiles. Hey, look,

1265
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:54,360
Speaker 4: I want my left tackle to look like this. This height,

1266
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:57,160
Speaker 4: this weight, this arm length, this speed. Here are the

1267
01:00:57,200 --> 01:01:01,240
Speaker 4: traits that we're looking for with examples, right, and so

1268
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:03,800
Speaker 4: now you know, we get to see it. We get

1269
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:06,240
Speaker 4: to see the visual. Okay, well, now we know what

1270
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:08,480
Speaker 4: they're looking for in each one of these positions on

1271
01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:10,320
Speaker 4: the team, and it makes it easier for us to

1272
01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:13,640
Speaker 4: go hunt and go find it. So that makes our

1273
01:01:13,720 --> 01:01:16,440
Speaker 4: job easier. But just even looking at it, it's like,

1274
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:21,840
Speaker 4: you know, obviously, to you know, lose a player like Derek,

1275
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:24,280
Speaker 4: Like that was the number one question I got the

1276
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:26,680
Speaker 4: most when I was around town, like, hey, better than

1277
01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:29,200
Speaker 4: I let Derek leave? Or what's going on with Derek?

1278
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:33,400
Speaker 4: Like I understand the magnitude of that because in my mind,

1279
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:35,959
Speaker 4: you know, prior to coming here, when you thought about

1280
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:38,320
Speaker 4: the Tennessee Titans. You thought about Mike Rabel, You thought

1281
01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:41,080
Speaker 4: about Dereck Henry, you know, and Taylor m to one,

1282
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:44,840
Speaker 4: you know, and so cornerstone, you know what I mean,

1283
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:53,560
Speaker 4: Cornerstone people Argerschule, and so you know that's these guys

1284
01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:58,240
Speaker 4: are are identifying factors for this football team and the

1285
01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:01,440
Speaker 4: way the football team played, and so you want to

1286
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:04,080
Speaker 4: keep some of that. But then it's like, all right,

1287
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:06,560
Speaker 4: how are we going to build this in Cali's image

1288
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:09,280
Speaker 4: and what is it gonna take for his scheme? And

1289
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:12,200
Speaker 4: so you have to make the tough decisions, you know

1290
01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:14,440
Speaker 4: what I mean, and you have to be aligned, you know,

1291
01:02:14,560 --> 01:02:18,520
Speaker 4: in those decisions. And so we start piecing it together.

1292
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:21,040
Speaker 4: And then again you and you hear me talk about it.

1293
01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:23,800
Speaker 4: A lot is relationships, you know. I mean, if you

1294
01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:27,240
Speaker 4: look at our free agency class, there are relationships all

1295
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:32,200
Speaker 4: along the way. You get a Calvin Ridley because you

1296
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:35,760
Speaker 4: have a relationship, you know, or I'm not even gonna

1297
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:38,720
Speaker 4: say we had a relationship. We created one, you know,

1298
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:40,880
Speaker 4: out of thin air. And being able to just be

1299
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:45,480
Speaker 4: relatable is what got him here, you know, cheat oh Bay.

1300
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:48,760
Speaker 4: He was with Cali for how many years in Cincinnati,

1301
01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:50,680
Speaker 4: so he kind of knows what the program is going

1302
01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:54,840
Speaker 4: to be. You know, Tony Pollard's from Memphis, you know,

1303
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:58,440
Speaker 4: wanted the opportunity to raise his kids, you know at home,

1304
01:02:58,680 --> 01:03:01,640
Speaker 4: you know where he grew up. Gives you a leg up,

1305
01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:04,400
Speaker 4: you know, all these things, you know, coming to play,

1306
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:07,200
Speaker 4: And like I said, this city in this state is

1307
01:03:07,560 --> 01:03:10,880
Speaker 4: it's like you said, it's slept On. You know, it's

1308
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:13,680
Speaker 4: slept On. I've never been anywhere in the in the

1309
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:16,360
Speaker 4: National Football League where all your scouts lived in the

1310
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:21,640
Speaker 4: town like that is an that's a competitive advantage. And

1311
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:25,400
Speaker 4: then think about just historically you weren't drafted here, but

1312
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:28,280
Speaker 4: where do you live now in Nashville. Every player that

1313
01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:30,360
Speaker 4: comes here, whether they were drafted here, signed a long

1314
01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:32,280
Speaker 4: term deal or a one year deal, they come here

1315
01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:34,640
Speaker 4: and they stay yea, And so it's weird.

1316
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:36,080
Speaker 3: You see a lot of the tight ends too, and

1317
01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:37,760
Speaker 3: the off season kid on them like people.

1318
01:03:37,880 --> 01:03:40,920
Speaker 4: Everybody comes here. So it's a competitive advantage and we

1319
01:03:41,120 --> 01:03:43,480
Speaker 4: just put ourselves in position to take advantage of that,

1320
01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:45,320
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. And like you said when

1321
01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:47,960
Speaker 4: we were walking up to the bus, like it's like

1322
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:51,240
Speaker 4: an unwritten thing with this city. You know, and we'll

1323
01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:55,880
Speaker 4: say higher profile people like those people feel comfortable here.

1324
01:03:56,240 --> 01:03:58,200
Speaker 4: The people in the city show you love, but they

1325
01:03:58,240 --> 01:04:01,840
Speaker 4: respect your space. So everybody here you feel a part

1326
01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:06,120
Speaker 4: of the community. I'm leaving my daughter's flag football game

1327
01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:08,480
Speaker 4: a couple of weeks ago, and I looked at my

1328
01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:10,920
Speaker 4: wife and I was like, of all the places we've

1329
01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:13,440
Speaker 4: ever lived, like, I feel a part of the community

1330
01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:17,520
Speaker 4: here when I'm at her games, my standing with the team,

1331
01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:19,880
Speaker 4: none of that matters. I'm just one of the crazy

1332
01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:22,880
Speaker 4: dads in the stands giving the refs hell, you know

1333
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:25,560
Speaker 4: what I mean, And like I don't have to wear

1334
01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:29,720
Speaker 4: Titans GM hat. Yeah, I'm just Rhea's dad, you know,

1335
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:32,160
Speaker 4: at the game and I'm cheering, like my daughter's team

1336
01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:35,680
Speaker 4: they won, They won the championship for the third year

1337
01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:39,440
Speaker 4: in a row for a girl's flag and I'm standing

1338
01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:41,800
Speaker 4: on the top of the stands screaming three peat and

1339
01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:44,200
Speaker 4: got the crowd going. And you know what I mean,

1340
01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:47,600
Speaker 4: Like my daughter hurt her back in one of the

1341
01:04:47,640 --> 01:04:50,280
Speaker 4: tournament games. I'm down there stretching her out, you know

1342
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:52,720
Speaker 4: what I mean. Like, I'm just being a dad, and

1343
01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:55,640
Speaker 4: I think this city is what allows that to happen. Like,

1344
01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:58,680
Speaker 4: I don't have to always feel on if you will,

1345
01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:00,840
Speaker 4: I could just be one the people. And that is

1346
01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:04,000
Speaker 4: a true competitive vantish about being here when.

1347
01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:06,360
Speaker 1: You look at you, Bob, Calvin Ridley, and I think

1348
01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:09,240
Speaker 1: when I think Calvin Ridley obviously is an awesome talent

1349
01:05:09,960 --> 01:05:12,600
Speaker 1: and wrongly accused for gambling as well, but that's a

1350
01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:14,720
Speaker 1: different story. He goes from the Jags to hear and

1351
01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:16,440
Speaker 1: during this press conference he's like, honestly, I want to

1352
01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:19,120
Speaker 1: stay with the Jaguars. As you see that as a

1353
01:05:19,160 --> 01:05:21,400
Speaker 1: pro or a con when hearing that statement, because to me,

1354
01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:23,720
Speaker 1: it's like, now, you know, two times a year he's

1355
01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:26,320
Speaker 1: got those he's got those games circled because they you

1356
01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:28,760
Speaker 1: get in your delusional football mind that we've all had

1357
01:05:29,720 --> 01:05:31,600
Speaker 1: use that as oh they didn't want me when.

1358
01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:32,880
Speaker 2: Maybe the number was just a little too big.

1359
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:37,400
Speaker 4: No, I'll be I'll be perfectly honest with you. Everything

1360
01:05:37,480 --> 01:05:40,640
Speaker 4: was comparable, you know. And he had the he had

1361
01:05:40,640 --> 01:05:43,080
Speaker 4: the option to go back, whether the numbers, I'm good,

1362
01:05:43,160 --> 01:05:49,160
Speaker 4: appreciate the offer though Southern hospitality. Uh. He had the

1363
01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:52,240
Speaker 4: option to go wherever he wanted to go. But I

1364
01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:55,600
Speaker 4: think it's more of a positive in that we made

1365
01:05:55,680 --> 01:05:59,640
Speaker 4: him comfortable, you know, coming here, and then the lesser

1366
01:05:59,720 --> 01:06:04,600
Speaker 4: known of the of the deal was again here Nashville, Tennessee.

1367
01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:09,040
Speaker 4: His wife's family from Huntsville know that right down the road,

1368
01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:11,840
Speaker 4: you know, makes it an easy transition for her to

1369
01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:15,560
Speaker 4: still be Now you're closer to your family, you know,

1370
01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:20,040
Speaker 4: and so it again competitive advantage being here in Nashville.

1371
01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:25,560
Speaker 3: I have a tier talk for my tier talk for

1372
01:06:25,560 --> 01:06:28,840
Speaker 3: for rand is you rank them your top three. You

1373
01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:31,240
Speaker 3: can throw an honorable mentions. You started three.

1374
01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:32,960
Speaker 4: I don't know where this is going.

1375
01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:37,760
Speaker 3: I think you'll have fun with it. But your tier

1376
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:43,320
Speaker 3: talk of your the best, like scouted players you've seen

1377
01:06:44,640 --> 01:06:45,800
Speaker 3: in your years.

1378
01:06:45,600 --> 01:06:49,880
Speaker 4: In my years, Uh, I'm gonna say that I was

1379
01:06:50,560 --> 01:06:54,280
Speaker 4: of the teams that I played for. And I know

1380
01:06:54,320 --> 01:06:56,400
Speaker 4: I'm gonna get hell for this because I have a

1381
01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:58,080
Speaker 4: lot of good relationships with all these.

1382
01:06:58,000 --> 01:06:59,880
Speaker 2: Dudes I started three.

1383
01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:03,120
Speaker 3: If there's one that you're like, damn, he doesn't make it,

1384
01:07:03,160 --> 01:07:04,160
Speaker 3: but shout him out.

1385
01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:09,680
Speaker 4: That's an honorable mass all right. I'll say this, and

1386
01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:12,280
Speaker 4: it's it's the I'll give you the little synopsis behind it.

1387
01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:22,280
Speaker 4: I'll say, damn, all right. Three Todd Gurley, coming off

1388
01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:25,320
Speaker 4: of torn a c l I thought he was still

1389
01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:28,720
Speaker 4: the best player in that draft class and just was

1390
01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:32,200
Speaker 4: what it was. And he had that short run in

1391
01:07:32,280 --> 01:07:35,480
Speaker 4: the league. But man, he was explosive and dynamic. And

1392
01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:44,720
Speaker 4: the problem Number two Nick Bosa outside of my number one,

1393
01:07:44,760 --> 01:07:46,560
Speaker 4: I don't think I've ever seen anybody play with the

1394
01:07:46,600 --> 01:07:50,040
Speaker 4: type of hand use, you know, and leverage he has.

1395
01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:52,680
Speaker 4: Nick has this unique thing. And you know Taylor as

1396
01:07:52,720 --> 01:07:55,040
Speaker 4: a tackle to be able to catch the elbow and

1397
01:07:55,080 --> 01:07:57,640
Speaker 4: catch the wrists at like a super high rate, like

1398
01:07:57,680 --> 01:08:02,360
Speaker 4: it's his hand eye is unreal. Number one Aaron Donald,

1399
01:08:03,320 --> 01:08:12,160
Speaker 4: I think that was easy, man, child, goat if you will. Uh.

1400
01:08:12,280 --> 01:08:14,280
Speaker 4: What I was going to add in before I thought

1401
01:08:14,280 --> 01:08:21,000
Speaker 4: about one was Fred Warner honorable? Mentioned? What makes Fred

1402
01:08:21,560 --> 01:08:24,879
Speaker 4: to me is Fred never played in the box in college.

1403
01:08:25,640 --> 01:08:28,519
Speaker 4: He was like a big nickel where he aligned over

1404
01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:32,120
Speaker 4: the slot. And you know, shout out to Robert Salah

1405
01:08:32,320 --> 01:08:36,479
Speaker 4: and Demico Ryans. They had a vision for being able

1406
01:08:36,479 --> 01:08:40,320
Speaker 4: to put him in in the box. Third round pick,

1407
01:08:40,880 --> 01:08:43,559
Speaker 4: rookie starting at mike, making all the calls and all

1408
01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:48,559
Speaker 4: the checks, and obviously Fred is Fred is Fred, you know.

1409
01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:52,200
Speaker 4: And when the schedule came out the other day, my son,

1410
01:08:52,400 --> 01:08:56,000
Speaker 4: my oldest shout out to my boys, Roman and Reese.

1411
01:08:57,439 --> 01:09:02,480
Speaker 4: Roman says, so when we played the Niners in the preseason,

1412
01:09:02,760 --> 01:09:06,320
Speaker 4: can I wear my Fred Warner jersey? And I was like,

1413
01:09:07,400 --> 01:09:10,559
Speaker 4: I was like, I said, I said, you call Fred

1414
01:09:11,280 --> 01:09:13,880
Speaker 4: because he's my son. Is boys with Fred, like they

1415
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:17,840
Speaker 4: talk all the time. I say, you call Fred, and

1416
01:09:17,840 --> 01:09:22,400
Speaker 4: then Fred get you tickets and you sit with Fred's family,

1417
01:09:22,439 --> 01:09:28,000
Speaker 4: then yes you could wear your freds. So, by all means,

1418
01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:31,479
Speaker 4: but those would be my four shout out to Debo.

1419
01:09:31,840 --> 01:09:35,240
Speaker 4: I think he created a position in football, and I

1420
01:09:35,280 --> 01:09:38,200
Speaker 4: think he he helped usher in a new way of

1421
01:09:38,320 --> 01:09:42,040
Speaker 4: what we call positionless football. You know that I've been

1422
01:09:42,600 --> 01:09:47,080
Speaker 4: a part of. Damn. I left Big trend Out.

1423
01:09:47,560 --> 01:09:49,439
Speaker 2: I was thinking to bring that up.

1424
01:09:49,640 --> 01:09:51,000
Speaker 4: I left Big trend Out.

1425
01:09:52,640 --> 01:09:54,320
Speaker 2: Arguably the best player in the league couple of years.

1426
01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:58,800
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I mean he's yeah, he's You see him

1427
01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:00,519
Speaker 4: do stuff and you're like, yeah, yeah.

1428
01:10:01,160 --> 01:10:03,280
Speaker 2: Like that clip against the Cardinals, I.

1429
01:10:03,240 --> 01:10:07,280
Speaker 4: Was thinking that I didn't want to, you know, God, yeah,

1430
01:10:07,680 --> 01:10:12,519
Speaker 4: And I'm glad you said it wasn't. It wasn't Isaiah Simmons.

1431
01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:15,040
Speaker 4: I won't say it wasn't. No, I know who it was,

1432
01:10:15,080 --> 01:10:19,120
Speaker 4: and I don't want to say his name, We'll say

1433
01:10:19,120 --> 01:10:21,040
Speaker 4: it right, Nope.

1434
01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:23,320
Speaker 2: Pull it up, pull it up.

1435
01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:25,639
Speaker 1: We'll just we're not talking about it, but just pull

1436
01:10:25,720 --> 01:10:26,640
Speaker 1: up Trent Williams.

1437
01:10:26,720 --> 01:10:27,320
Speaker 2: Because that.

1438
01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:33,200
Speaker 1: Not only is that extreme explosion and amazing content contact,

1439
01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:35,320
Speaker 1: it's also one of those deals where to take the

1440
01:10:35,400 --> 01:10:37,599
Speaker 1: risks to run full speed at a linebacker and.

1441
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:41,679
Speaker 2: Hope you hit him. But it's crazy. That's a crazy

1442
01:10:41,720 --> 01:10:42,120
Speaker 2: look at him?

1443
01:10:43,120 --> 01:10:44,400
Speaker 3: Just man?

1444
01:10:47,120 --> 01:10:49,679
Speaker 4: Was that like, you don't expect human of that size

1445
01:10:49,720 --> 01:10:50,320
Speaker 4: to get on you that.

1446
01:10:51,800 --> 01:10:55,160
Speaker 1: We're in a four eight forty not not bad body bar,

1447
01:10:55,240 --> 01:10:57,120
Speaker 1: but he is truly mentor.

1448
01:10:59,160 --> 01:10:59,559
Speaker 4: You know this.

1449
01:10:59,560 --> 01:11:00,679
Speaker 2: Do you do this cap personally?

1450
01:11:00,920 --> 01:11:03,240
Speaker 4: No? I don't know him personally. Yeah, you've you've been.

1451
01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:05,120
Speaker 2: Doing an amazing job of not saying names.

1452
01:11:05,200 --> 01:11:05,400
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1453
01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:07,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like that's your you're pros pro in that way.

1454
01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:12,559
Speaker 3: Do what's the most fascinating thing or something that you

1455
01:11:12,600 --> 01:11:16,960
Speaker 3: experienced in the front office world that you think players

1456
01:11:16,960 --> 01:11:18,200
Speaker 3: would be intrigued to know.

1457
01:11:21,880 --> 01:11:24,280
Speaker 4: Most intrigued and fascinating.

1458
01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:25,960
Speaker 3: Whether it has to do with contracts, No.

1459
01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:29,040
Speaker 4: I just think learning the business and the one thing

1460
01:11:29,080 --> 01:11:31,559
Speaker 4: we hear and I'm sure you guys have said that,

1461
01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:35,559
Speaker 4: Hey man, it's the business I hate that term because

1462
01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:38,920
Speaker 4: I think saying it's a business, for a lack of

1463
01:11:38,920 --> 01:11:40,320
Speaker 4: a better way to say it, I feel it's a

1464
01:11:40,360 --> 01:11:43,160
Speaker 4: cop out because it doesn't allow you to deal with

1465
01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:46,200
Speaker 4: the emotion of what you're feeling. And I think you're

1466
01:11:46,240 --> 01:11:49,240
Speaker 4: allowed to feel a certain type of way. But when

1467
01:11:49,280 --> 01:11:52,120
Speaker 4: you say, oh, man, you know it's it's it's a business,

1468
01:11:52,600 --> 01:11:54,759
Speaker 4: then that gives you that cop out of like okay,

1469
01:11:54,880 --> 01:11:59,000
Speaker 4: like it's supposed to happen. But I think if if

1470
01:11:59,040 --> 01:12:02,280
Speaker 4: more guys were in my position to have exposure to

1471
01:12:02,360 --> 01:12:06,519
Speaker 4: how the business works, and they would understand like, oh okay,

1472
01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:09,160
Speaker 4: I see it clear now, like myself, Like, and I'm

1473
01:12:09,200 --> 01:12:11,519
Speaker 4: sure you felt the same way as fellow undrafted guys.

1474
01:12:11,560 --> 01:12:13,360
Speaker 4: You first round guys don't have nothing.

1475
01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:18,440
Speaker 3: He's got the red, blue cards, cards.

1476
01:12:18,800 --> 01:12:25,080
Speaker 4: Hours, Yeah, just white Like that was me. Yeah, Will come.

1477
01:12:25,200 --> 01:12:26,759
Speaker 1: Do you remember evaluating Will Compton?

1478
01:12:28,920 --> 01:12:31,040
Speaker 4: I wrote you, I will find the report and I

1479
01:12:31,120 --> 01:12:33,960
Speaker 4: was I wild text it right, But I will tell

1480
01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:38,120
Speaker 4: you this. When I was doing my draft process, like again,

1481
01:12:38,200 --> 01:12:40,280
Speaker 4: I'm realistic, I know what it was. I was like,

1482
01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:43,640
Speaker 4: I'm at least a third rounder, you know what I mean.

1483
01:12:43,640 --> 01:12:46,679
Speaker 4: I'm at least a third rounder. And then I remember,

1484
01:12:46,920 --> 01:12:48,640
Speaker 4: you know, you can't make this up. I got a

1485
01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:51,160
Speaker 4: call in the fifth round from a team says, we're

1486
01:12:51,160 --> 01:12:54,840
Speaker 4: taking you with our next pick. And I'm in the

1487
01:12:54,920 --> 01:12:59,760
Speaker 4: room and I'm with my now wife, and my mom

1488
01:12:59,760 --> 01:13:03,000
Speaker 4: and my brother were in the in the living room,

1489
01:13:03,520 --> 01:13:05,799
Speaker 4: and so I was like, okay, cool, like I'm excited.

1490
01:13:05,880 --> 01:13:09,160
Speaker 4: And my wife had just got accepted into grad school

1491
01:13:09,360 --> 01:13:12,000
Speaker 4: in that same city, and so I was like, this

1492
01:13:12,040 --> 01:13:16,800
Speaker 4: is perfect. And I got up to go tell my

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01:13:16,880 --> 01:13:18,600
Speaker 4: mom and I was like, you know, I'm gonna let

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01:13:18,600 --> 01:13:21,479
Speaker 4: me see it on TV. Yeah, And I sit there

1495
01:13:22,880 --> 01:13:26,080
Speaker 4: and they announced the pick and it wasn't me, and

1496
01:13:26,160 --> 01:13:28,920
Speaker 4: I look at her and then the team called right

1497
01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:35,200
Speaker 4: back last minute we decided to Oh and long story short,

1498
01:13:35,400 --> 01:13:38,639
Speaker 4: I don't think that player made it through the season

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01:13:38,640 --> 01:13:40,519
Speaker 4: with him because I ended up playing with him somewhere

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01:13:40,520 --> 01:13:43,800
Speaker 4: else and so like and hen I end up becoming

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01:13:43,880 --> 01:13:47,000
Speaker 4: really good friends. But a man I had smoked for him.

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01:13:47,360 --> 01:13:47,640
Speaker 3: I was.

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01:13:49,720 --> 01:13:51,720
Speaker 2: Fifth round to walking through, walking down.

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01:13:52,920 --> 01:13:55,640
Speaker 4: But again I thought I was going to be, you know,

1505
01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:57,200
Speaker 4: wanted to be a first rounder.

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01:13:57,880 --> 01:14:01,080
Speaker 3: But I was like, at least and you played too,

1507
01:14:01,200 --> 01:14:03,439
Speaker 3: like you know, hey, we could be one of those

1508
01:14:03,520 --> 01:14:06,519
Speaker 3: like Bill Belichick just randomly draft somebody in the higher

1509
01:14:06,600 --> 01:14:08,280
Speaker 3: rounds and just come out of nowhere.

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01:14:08,320 --> 01:14:10,280
Speaker 4: And listen, I had, I had, I knew what the

1511
01:14:10,320 --> 01:14:12,719
Speaker 4: signing bonus was going to be, and I'm like, okay,

1512
01:14:12,720 --> 01:14:14,760
Speaker 4: this is how we gonna allocate the money, and yeah,

1513
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:17,120
Speaker 4: we're gonna, you know, planning it out.

1514
01:14:17,680 --> 01:14:20,240
Speaker 3: And now, dude, you play with your You played four

1515
01:14:20,320 --> 01:14:22,800
Speaker 3: your dad for two weeks in Dallas awful heat, and

1516
01:14:22,840 --> 01:14:23,960
Speaker 3: he cut you.

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01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:30,120
Speaker 4: No. Luckily enough, I had got cut by Indy. This

1518
01:14:30,240 --> 01:14:32,759
Speaker 4: was my rookie year, signed with Dallas on the practice squad.

1519
01:14:32,840 --> 01:14:35,679
Speaker 4: My dad was my running back coach. Our running back

1520
01:14:36,080 --> 01:14:39,200
Speaker 4: room was Eddie George. Julius Jones was their second round

1521
01:14:39,240 --> 01:14:45,960
Speaker 4: pick that year. We had Richie Anderson. Yeah, that was awful.

1522
01:14:46,080 --> 01:14:48,640
Speaker 4: That was like my worst football experience. Me and my

1523
01:14:48,720 --> 01:14:52,960
Speaker 4: dad got into a fight. Now it wasn't at like

1524
01:14:53,000 --> 01:14:55,439
Speaker 4: we had a We went back and forth on the

1525
01:14:55,439 --> 01:14:57,360
Speaker 4: field to the point where Parcels was like, all right,

1526
01:14:57,400 --> 01:15:01,439
Speaker 4: that's enough, and so I can tell this story. It's funny.

1527
01:15:01,439 --> 01:15:04,680
Speaker 4: But my dad shout out to Frank Paranho because he

1528
01:15:04,720 --> 01:15:09,000
Speaker 4: loves this story. My dad was chirping across the field

1529
01:15:09,040 --> 01:15:12,280
Speaker 4: with chirping back and forth, and so Richie is like, hey,

1530
01:15:12,360 --> 01:15:14,559
Speaker 4: little bro, like, come on, man, like, you know Dad

1531
01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:17,880
Speaker 4: loves you. So I say some choice words about that,

1532
01:15:18,400 --> 01:15:23,080
Speaker 4: and then my dad yells across, hey Richie slapping. So

1533
01:15:23,120 --> 01:15:28,240
Speaker 4: I yelled back. I'm like, no, you slap me. So whatever,

1534
01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:31,240
Speaker 4: I go home, and now I'm like, I'm gonna know

1535
01:15:31,280 --> 01:15:33,600
Speaker 4: this whole playbook. Like he's never gonna be able to

1536
01:15:33,640 --> 01:15:36,360
Speaker 4: say nothing to me. I'm gonna know it better than him.

1537
01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:40,479
Speaker 4: Mind you, I'm living with him, right, I'm on the couch.

1538
01:15:40,840 --> 01:15:43,240
Speaker 4: I'm on the couch and I'm highlighting and taking notes

1539
01:15:43,240 --> 01:15:46,320
Speaker 4: and I'm tearing this playbook up. And so I doze

1540
01:15:46,360 --> 01:15:50,320
Speaker 4: off and I'm sleep and I hear the door open.

1541
01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:53,120
Speaker 4: But my cousin lived there too, so I was like, oh,

1542
01:15:53,360 --> 01:15:59,439
Speaker 4: it's just Chris. Then now I'm oh and I look

1543
01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:02,400
Speaker 4: up at my day dad standing over me, and he's like,

1544
01:16:02,640 --> 01:16:03,519
Speaker 4: I slapped you.

1545
01:16:03,800 --> 01:16:04,160
Speaker 3: Now what?

1546
01:16:05,320 --> 01:16:08,680
Speaker 4: And so I started laughing and I'm like he's like,

1547
01:16:08,680 --> 01:16:10,800
Speaker 4: what you laughing for? You? You said slap you? I

1548
01:16:10,800 --> 01:16:13,439
Speaker 4: slapped you. You didn't do nothing, now what. I was like,

1549
01:16:13,479 --> 01:16:16,240
Speaker 4: I won? He was like, how did you win? I

1550
01:16:16,280 --> 01:16:18,000
Speaker 4: was like, because it's been on your mind. Ever since

1551
01:16:18,040 --> 01:16:21,280
Speaker 4: I said it, and I'm like, I was like, and

1552
01:16:21,320 --> 01:16:23,160
Speaker 4: you know what. I was like, Now, you better take

1553
01:16:23,160 --> 01:16:25,760
Speaker 4: your ass back to the office before Parcelles finds out

1554
01:16:25,800 --> 01:16:27,800
Speaker 4: you not there. I was like, and I will call

1555
01:16:27,880 --> 01:16:29,960
Speaker 4: him right now and tell him to you better get

1556
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:33,360
Speaker 4: your ass back to the office. He was cutting you.

1557
01:16:35,120 --> 01:16:39,479
Speaker 4: And then literally like that was like, uh, that was

1558
01:16:39,520 --> 01:16:42,599
Speaker 4: like a Thursday. That happened Wednesday or Thursday. And then

1559
01:16:42,680 --> 01:16:46,880
Speaker 4: the following week the coach called to bring me back

1560
01:16:46,920 --> 01:16:50,519
Speaker 4: on the roster, and so they sent my dad home

1561
01:16:51,400 --> 01:16:54,120
Speaker 4: to like talk me into stand and my dad was like, son,

1562
01:16:54,160 --> 01:16:56,439
Speaker 4: you gotta go. He was like, because not only is

1563
01:16:56,479 --> 01:16:59,400
Speaker 4: this gonna give your opportunity to actually play, he was like,

1564
01:16:59,479 --> 01:17:01,960
Speaker 4: but for the second of our relationship, you got to

1565
01:17:01,960 --> 01:17:02,800
Speaker 4: get the hell out of here.

1566
01:17:03,360 --> 01:17:05,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's awesome.

1567
01:17:06,640 --> 01:17:08,479
Speaker 2: If it wasn't jac or Joel, who would it be.

1568
01:17:10,680 --> 01:17:11,599
Speaker 4: We'll talk off.

1569
01:17:15,640 --> 01:17:17,240
Speaker 3: Before we let him go, because he's got a roll.

1570
01:17:17,720 --> 01:17:24,320
Speaker 3: You have a twisted question for him. He's GM, he's

1571
01:17:24,360 --> 01:17:27,080
Speaker 3: not the head man. That's a that's a that's a

1572
01:17:27,160 --> 01:17:29,760
Speaker 3: question specifically for the head coaches they cut their piece

1573
01:17:29,800 --> 01:17:30,679
Speaker 3: off for a Super Bowl?

1574
01:17:31,280 --> 01:17:36,960
Speaker 4: Would you I got five kids, so you would I

1575
01:17:37,040 --> 01:17:41,280
Speaker 4: said I got five kids. I just said I have

1576
01:17:41,360 --> 01:17:42,200
Speaker 4: five kids.

1577
01:17:43,240 --> 01:17:45,759
Speaker 3: All right, we just need you to say yes.

1578
01:17:45,680 --> 01:17:47,040
Speaker 4: I said I just got five.

1579
01:17:47,080 --> 01:17:47,960
Speaker 3: We got that insurance.

1580
01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:48,519
Speaker 4: I got five.

1581
01:17:49,120 --> 01:17:53,320
Speaker 2: Five kids is a lot of kids. Jaggie Peerson, any questions?

1582
01:17:53,640 --> 01:17:55,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, before we let him.

1583
01:17:55,280 --> 01:17:59,080
Speaker 6: Go, we asked Calie this question yesterday. But you being

1584
01:17:59,080 --> 01:18:01,559
Speaker 6: with the Titans very year now you will understand this.

1585
01:18:02,200 --> 01:18:05,200
Speaker 6: Is there a way to bring back the OG pain

1586
01:18:05,320 --> 01:18:07,559
Speaker 6: Train video that we play at the beginning of the

1587
01:18:07,600 --> 01:18:10,880
Speaker 6: fourth quarters because we changed it two years ago. The

1588
01:18:10,920 --> 01:18:13,000
Speaker 6: fan base needs the O G One back.

1589
01:18:13,200 --> 01:18:15,439
Speaker 4: All right, So I'm not familiar with the OG.

1590
01:18:17,520 --> 01:18:22,559
Speaker 1: You remember, yes, Okay, So it's Terry Tate office linebacker.

1591
01:18:22,560 --> 01:18:24,599
Speaker 1: He goes the pain trains coming and then does the woohoo

1592
01:18:24,720 --> 01:18:29,080
Speaker 1: thing and then Johnny cash fullsome prison blues, right yeah,

1593
01:18:29,560 --> 01:18:30,240
Speaker 1: starts playing.

1594
01:18:31,560 --> 01:18:33,200
Speaker 4: All right, let's do it.

1595
01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:37,240
Speaker 1: This is awesome, so.

1596
01:18:58,600 --> 01:19:01,920
Speaker 2: We too, can we bring that back?

1597
01:19:02,760 --> 01:19:04,120
Speaker 4: We might be able to do something.

1598
01:19:04,680 --> 01:19:07,799
Speaker 6: And can busting with the boys be the twelfth Titan

1599
01:19:07,800 --> 01:19:08,880
Speaker 6: and swing the sort of honor?

1600
01:19:11,080 --> 01:19:13,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, that would be pretty sweet. I'm not gonna lie.

1601
01:19:13,960 --> 01:19:14,559
Speaker 3: There we go.

1602
01:19:14,720 --> 01:19:16,519
Speaker 4: I think you guys, we have the I think the

1603
01:19:16,560 --> 01:19:19,800
Speaker 4: crowd will go nuts to see now here's the thing

1604
01:19:19,840 --> 01:19:22,519
Speaker 4: we have with these two. We gotta cut the mic.

1605
01:19:23,880 --> 01:19:27,720
Speaker 4: It's got, it's got, it's gotta be it's got to

1606
01:19:27,760 --> 01:19:29,720
Speaker 4: be a delay so we can at least have the.

1607
01:19:31,800 --> 01:19:32,679
Speaker 3: Very fair to say.

1608
01:19:32,760 --> 01:19:33,400
Speaker 4: I will say this.

1609
01:19:33,479 --> 01:19:35,559
Speaker 3: Every college we go to, every like we were at

1610
01:19:35,680 --> 01:19:38,960
Speaker 3: in Atlanta, every spot organization we go to, it's like

1611
01:19:38,960 --> 01:19:41,439
Speaker 3: they're always like, hey, we're down for you guys to

1612
01:19:41,479 --> 01:19:43,439
Speaker 3: do this. We've seen some of your stuff. You could

1613
01:19:43,479 --> 01:19:46,559
Speaker 3: just be on your best behavior. We could. We're capable.

1614
01:19:46,640 --> 01:19:49,120
Speaker 3: We're capable. It will be on our best behavior.

1615
01:19:49,880 --> 01:19:54,080
Speaker 4: Like I said, just just they might the might the

1616
01:19:55,800 --> 01:19:58,080
Speaker 4: MINS button, Yeah, I might need to have that button

1617
01:19:58,479 --> 01:20:01,599
Speaker 4: seven second delay. Weppreciate you coming on, man. I appreciate

1618
01:20:01,600 --> 01:20:03,439
Speaker 4: you boys. Man not man, I appreciate you.

1619
01:20:03,800 --> 01:20:06,000
Speaker 1: Tell you this bus and all of us in here

1620
01:20:06,040 --> 01:20:07,840
Speaker 1: are so excited about what the Times are doing. We're

1621
01:20:07,880 --> 01:20:09,880
Speaker 1: so stoked on what you've done in free agency, in

1622
01:20:09,920 --> 01:20:12,559
Speaker 1: the draft, all the things about Jacon Latham coming out

1623
01:20:12,560 --> 01:20:14,720
Speaker 1: and the rest of your draft has been so positive.

1624
01:20:15,560 --> 01:20:18,559
Speaker 1: People should be excited national Tennessee about what's coming this one.

1625
01:20:18,720 --> 01:20:20,280
Speaker 4: I appreciate it, man. I just think in the grand

1626
01:20:20,320 --> 01:20:23,640
Speaker 4: scheme of things, it's it's our job to provide this

1627
01:20:23,640 --> 01:20:25,439
Speaker 4: this city, in this state with something to cheer for,

1628
01:20:25,880 --> 01:20:27,720
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. It's something that can identify with.

1629
01:20:27,880 --> 01:20:31,040
Speaker 4: So let's just stay healthy and get to September.

1630
01:20:31,320 --> 01:20:33,120
Speaker 2: Do you think there's a chance that we can get

1631
01:20:33,120 --> 01:20:35,960
Speaker 2: will comped in a work out in October December?

1632
01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:37,639
Speaker 4: Let's say December December? Yeah?

1633
01:20:37,880 --> 01:20:39,280
Speaker 2: Crazy, you don't want to do that. You want to

1634
01:20:39,280 --> 01:20:41,559
Speaker 2: do it before Thanksgiving because you know what you're doing.

1635
01:20:41,720 --> 01:20:44,040
Speaker 3: Workout October potential sign in December?

1636
01:20:44,240 --> 01:20:45,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean you can. You can go over to

1637
01:20:45,720 --> 01:20:47,920
Speaker 4: Fitness nineteen. They got all the equipment you need to

1638
01:20:47,960 --> 01:20:52,000
Speaker 4: work out. Get you set up over.

1639
01:20:52,320 --> 01:20:53,840
Speaker 3: I'm actually on at Boost with a couple of your

1640
01:20:53,880 --> 01:20:58,320
Speaker 3: guys in the front of it. Matt Miller's Mad Mad

1641
01:20:58,400 --> 01:20:58,720
Speaker 3: in there.

1642
01:20:58,840 --> 01:21:00,240
Speaker 2: I've known Mad since he was in high.

1643
01:21:00,240 --> 01:21:02,080
Speaker 4: Yeah matter my guy, man, he does a hell of

1644
01:21:02,080 --> 01:21:04,880
Speaker 4: a job going to his wedding. Yes, I will be there.

1645
01:21:05,040 --> 01:21:07,240
Speaker 4: That would be there, just R S v P two

1646
01:21:07,280 --> 01:21:07,720
Speaker 4: weeks ago.

1647
01:21:07,920 --> 01:21:09,639
Speaker 2: I love it. Well, thank you so much for.

1648
01:21:09,880 --> 01:21:12,280
Speaker 4: I appreciate you. That was awesome, bro, appreciate you.

1649
01:21:12,600 --> 01:21:14,519
Speaker 3: We could talk all day long too, because man, you're

1650
01:21:14,520 --> 01:21:23,400
Speaker 3: an undrafted gritty cat Jordan's He's still he's still playing

1651
01:21:23,439 --> 01:21:24,800
Speaker 3: to he's with the vikings right