WEBVTT - What we’re hearing: Why Cubs cut Jameson Taillon; pitching reinforcements coming; more on trade chips 0:00:06.480 --> 0:00:09.800 Welcome into Northside Territory fil Territory Networks Cubs Podcast. I'm 0:00:09.840 --> 0:00:12.680 Sahadim Charma with my partner Patrick Mooney. We are your 0:00:12.720 --> 0:00:17.239 Cubs beat writers over at the Athletic and Patrick, the 0:00:17.320 --> 0:00:22.959 Cubs have made the decision to dfa jameson Tywn. It 0:00:22.960 --> 0:00:26.480 had just gotten to the point where he wasn't getting 0:00:26.480 --> 0:00:29.120 the job done. When he went out there, came back 0:00:29.280 --> 0:00:32.560 from the injured list, it made I believe it was 0:00:32.600 --> 0:00:37.280 a left hamstring. Made two starts immediately put his team 0:00:37.479 --> 0:00:41.000 in a hole, giving up multiple home runs. I think 0:00:41.000 --> 0:00:44.720 he'd given up five home runs in the two starts. 0:00:45.760 --> 0:00:49.200 It was well over twenty home runs twenty five I'm 0:00:49.240 --> 0:00:52.200 going off memory right now. Yeah, twenty five home runs total. 0:00:52.240 --> 0:00:56.560 And he was in like the seventy somethingter innings. He's 0:00:56.640 --> 0:01:00.320 like fifth in home runs allowed and a good twenty 0:01:00.600 --> 0:01:04.880 innings below that group of pitchers that were that were 0:01:04.959 --> 0:01:07.280 up there at the top of the league. Just too 0:01:07.360 --> 0:01:10.080 much hard contact, too many balls going over the fence, 0:01:10.520 --> 0:01:14.040 and it got to the point where they had to 0:01:14.120 --> 0:01:17.320 let him go. A team leader, a great easy guy 0:01:17.360 --> 0:01:20.360 to talk to, always a good quote for us, but 0:01:21.520 --> 0:01:23.120 it wasn't getting the job done anymore. 0:01:25.319 --> 0:01:28.240 You're right side. There's a couple of different sides to this. 0:01:28.640 --> 0:01:36.960 I think leading with the person Dansby Swanson said jameson 0:01:37.000 --> 0:01:43.479 Tyn is quote definitely on my mount rushmore of teammates, 0:01:44.160 --> 0:01:48.600 you had players like Matthew Boyd just kind of raving 0:01:49.040 --> 0:01:56.880 about Jamison's character. Even Craig Counsel, who this doesn't always 0:01:56.920 --> 0:01:59.600 come across on the TV screen, but who does have 0:01:59.680 --> 0:02:05.520 really great feel for clubhouse dynamics and culture. You described 0:02:05.560 --> 0:02:08.160 him as a great teacher for how to act like 0:02:08.200 --> 0:02:11.520 a major league player, and he acknowledged that sounds kind 0:02:11.520 --> 0:02:13.000 of silly, like what's the big deal with that, But 0:02:13.080 --> 0:02:19.600 a lot of players need help, and Jamison was exemplary 0:02:19.720 --> 0:02:24.920 in terms of showing how you treat people behind the scenes, 0:02:25.000 --> 0:02:28.880 how you conduct and carry yourself as a professional. And 0:02:30.320 --> 0:02:33.480 you know, having said all that, he was a really 0:02:33.480 --> 0:02:35.360 good pitcher for them last year. I mean he was 0:02:35.400 --> 0:02:38.480 on the mound in October when they won two elimination 0:02:38.639 --> 0:02:44.600 games at Wrigley Field wire to wire. From that contract, obviously, 0:02:45.520 --> 0:02:50.640 you know he did not deliver, but for long stretches 0:02:50.919 --> 0:02:56.320 during that he was exactly as advertised, very dependable, reliable, 0:02:56.520 --> 0:03:02.520 had an excellent season in twenty four, twenty three, it 0:03:02.560 --> 0:03:05.400 was a bad first half, very good second half, and 0:03:05.440 --> 0:03:09.440 then you know, last year really helped hold the playoff 0:03:09.480 --> 0:03:14.880 team together and I think ultimately the calculus here, you know, 0:03:14.919 --> 0:03:18.720 according to counsels, they just didn't think he was going 0:03:18.800 --> 0:03:22.360 to pitch for them again. That they felt that it 0:03:22.360 --> 0:03:25.120 had sort of just run its course in terms of 0:03:25.680 --> 0:03:29.280 their game planning ideas, you know, pitch mix, you know 0:03:29.320 --> 0:03:31.800 this or that, Like it was just in their mind, 0:03:31.960 --> 0:03:36.200 you know, it was time to give someone else an opportunity, 0:03:36.280 --> 0:03:40.800 knowing that they're probably going to be adding at the 0:03:40.840 --> 0:03:42.160 trade deadline. 0:03:42.680 --> 0:03:45.480 Yeah, I'm looking at these numbers and it's it's hard 0:03:45.560 --> 0:03:49.320 like a twenty four great, great, really good season. Three 0:03:49.360 --> 0:03:54.400 twenty seven era, uh, three sixty eight ERA. Last year, Uh, 0:03:54.840 --> 0:03:56.600 he was hurt for a little bit, but then came 0:03:56.640 --> 0:03:59.720 back and really delivered for them in the playoffs was 0:03:59.760 --> 0:04:04.120 a you know, solid He started those two elimination games, 0:04:04.160 --> 0:04:08.440 looked good out there. The hard contact just skyrocketed this year. 0:04:08.640 --> 0:04:11.680 Home runs, this hard contact, everything was hit hard. There 0:04:11.760 --> 0:04:15.360 was just not that it wasn't like there was anything 0:04:15.440 --> 0:04:17.680 in the underlying data that said, like, you know what 0:04:17.720 --> 0:04:20.440 we can fix this or this is here's some things 0:04:20.440 --> 0:04:25.240 that look good that we can rely on. It's a 0:04:25.440 --> 0:04:28.200 disappointing end to a guy that, like you said, as 0:04:28.279 --> 0:04:31.080 far as Clubhouse goes, he's a he was a big 0:04:31.120 --> 0:04:34.840 part of that group and he the other day we 0:04:34.839 --> 0:04:38.720 were talking to Pete row Armstrong. I remember this, and 0:04:38.960 --> 0:04:41.000 someone was talking about the funniest guy in the clubhouse, 0:04:41.040 --> 0:04:43.599 and that was the guy that Pete mentioned first was 0:04:43.960 --> 0:04:48.960 jameson ti own laid back guy that that you know, 0:04:49.080 --> 0:04:52.760 knew how to talk to everyone, all types of people, 0:04:52.839 --> 0:04:55.920 and he was very very good at kind of like 0:04:57.279 --> 0:05:03.080 talking about the big picture, understand ending things like in 0:05:03.120 --> 0:05:05.920 a holistic way. It was it was it was fun 0:05:05.920 --> 0:05:08.320 to talk to him. That's for sure, a very easy 0:05:08.360 --> 0:05:11.720 guy to uh. You know, if if it didn't matter, 0:05:11.760 --> 0:05:14.000 like if you had a storyline and he had pitched, 0:05:14.000 --> 0:05:16.800 it was like, oh perfect, I can ask Tyo about this. 0:05:16.960 --> 0:05:19.080 You know, it's like, you know, he'll give you a 0:05:19.120 --> 0:05:22.800 good answer. We love those types of guys. They're very 0:05:22.839 --> 0:05:28.279 easy to to to deal with. I think this sets 0:05:28.360 --> 0:05:31.640 up something though, like what was the vibe you were 0:05:31.680 --> 0:05:36.640 getting when when talking to people out there? Is this 0:05:37.240 --> 0:05:40.160 like it we've been talking about it for weeks already, 0:05:40.200 --> 0:05:44.360 but adding to the rotation feels like a must at 0:05:44.360 --> 0:05:47.280 the trade deadline. They've already added David Peterson, who's made 0:05:47.320 --> 0:05:52.839 five or six starts, really nice start Monday night against 0:05:52.880 --> 0:05:56.880 Saint Louis after his only bad start was against Saint Louis. 0:05:56.880 --> 0:05:59.640 He's been a solid addition for them. But but they're 0:05:59.760 --> 0:06:02.000 they're going to continue to add to this rotation and 0:06:02.040 --> 0:06:04.360 I feel like getting rid of I think the one 0:06:04.440 --> 0:06:08.720 surprise was how can you get rid of starting pitching depth? Uh, 0:06:08.760 --> 0:06:10.960 they must feel good that they're going to continue to add. 0:06:13.000 --> 0:06:15.120 When I ask counsel that he gave me the he 0:06:16.160 --> 0:06:18.760 deliberated for a moment or two and then just said 0:06:18.920 --> 0:06:23.960 pass and then he started of thought about it so well. 0:06:23.960 --> 0:06:27.599 I think I think Jed's said he wants to add 0:06:27.760 --> 0:06:29.480 start any pitch, and it's like, well, yeah, he said 0:06:29.520 --> 0:06:33.120 that last year too and got Michael Soroca, who did 0:06:33.200 --> 0:06:35.719 start then got hurt because he had already been hurt, 0:06:36.360 --> 0:06:39.599 you know, within that season, within that summer, and for 0:06:39.680 --> 0:06:43.080 long stretches of his career. So uh, you know, the 0:06:43.120 --> 0:06:47.880 plan is for Javier assad to you know, make that 0:06:48.040 --> 0:06:51.760 next start. I think that would be whatever Friday, you know, 0:06:51.839 --> 0:06:57.520 this weekend against the Yankees. Obviously, Asad has been very good. 0:06:59.480 --> 0:07:04.640 You know, I would guess that's a temporary assignment in 0:07:04.720 --> 0:07:08.800 the rotation unless something else happens or you know, I 0:07:08.839 --> 0:07:12.480 guess you could also move Colin Ray back to the bullpen. 0:07:12.600 --> 0:07:16.840 But clearly this season is just getting shorter. The calendar 0:07:16.880 --> 0:07:19.200 is shrinking. Like if this was May, I think you 0:07:19.560 --> 0:07:23.520 kind of work through some of Taiwan stuff more, particularly 0:07:23.640 --> 0:07:29.840 seeing how you know depleted, you know, their pitching reserves are. 0:07:29.920 --> 0:07:32.560 But you know, we'll get into this later. Like there 0:07:32.560 --> 0:07:35.840 are some optimistic updates when you when you look at 0:07:35.840 --> 0:07:39.920 that outlook for August in September, in terms of you know, 0:07:40.000 --> 0:07:46.160 guys getting healthy. You're right to mention Peterson. I think 0:07:46.160 --> 0:07:51.760 he'll make seven starts before the trade deadline, which is 0:07:52.200 --> 0:07:56.400 pretty good. I mean, obviously he was not performing for 0:07:56.480 --> 0:08:01.200 the Mets, like you know, he was probably you know, 0:08:01.240 --> 0:08:04.280 he was kind of trending toward DFA territory if he 0:08:04.320 --> 0:08:07.720 didn't turn it around in New York. But you know, 0:08:08.120 --> 0:08:11.960 Jed Hoyer went out and got him. He's been kind 0:08:11.960 --> 0:08:15.400 of exactly what you know, you would have hoped for. 0:08:15.440 --> 0:08:17.920 I think in those six starts he's been you know, 0:08:18.400 --> 0:08:20.800 at least serviceable, if not a lot better than five 0:08:20.880 --> 0:08:23.960 of those. So just that really, you know, blowout loss 0:08:24.640 --> 0:08:27.280 against the Cardinals at Wrigley Field. You know, he turned 0:08:27.320 --> 0:08:31.080 it around at Bush Stadium on Monday night. And so 0:08:32.640 --> 0:08:34.960 you know, Council said, he's like the trade deadline's a factor. 0:08:35.160 --> 0:08:37.440 The amount of season we have left as a factor. 0:08:38.480 --> 0:08:42.640 What we saw within Jamison's season is a factor. And 0:08:42.720 --> 0:08:45.240 so like the the pictures we'll talk about in a 0:08:45.280 --> 0:08:48.880 bit were getting healthy. He said, that's not really you know, 0:08:49.480 --> 0:08:51.600 part of it. But you know, I think you do 0:08:52.880 --> 0:08:55.400 since a little bit of urgency, you know, with a 0:08:55.440 --> 0:08:57.959 move like this, you know, as Matthew Boyd said, it's 0:08:57.960 --> 0:09:00.680 not like it's a wake up call. And you know, 0:09:01.160 --> 0:09:03.680 Nico horn or nod at his head when I said, 0:09:03.720 --> 0:09:07.000 I know, you guys, you try to treat every day 0:09:07.080 --> 0:09:09.560 the same as the same day. You know, that's a 0:09:09.559 --> 0:09:12.720 big kind of counsel. That's the environment, the bubble he 0:09:12.800 --> 0:09:16.000 tries to create. But you know, you can tell it's 0:09:16.160 --> 0:09:18.880 kind of getting to go time here, and you know, 0:09:19.000 --> 0:09:23.720 instead of those dog days of August, they might get 0:09:23.760 --> 0:09:28.240 a nice like boost between the deadline and guys getting 0:09:28.280 --> 0:09:32.480 healthy like they really, as Pete said, they've really had 0:09:32.520 --> 0:09:35.920 to grind through a lot of the first half and 0:09:35.960 --> 0:09:39.360 now you know, you'd like to think they'd kind of 0:09:39.360 --> 0:09:40.640 see the rewards from that. 0:09:41.840 --> 0:09:47.680 Absolutely. Okay, what you're touching on about the health, Let's 0:09:47.720 --> 0:09:50.160 take a break because I think this is I'm very 0:09:50.160 --> 0:09:53.240 curious about how this will play out and with tying 0:09:53.280 --> 0:09:56.320 it into the deadline because the bullpen starter stuff is 0:09:56.360 --> 0:09:59.160 going to be interesting to talk about. 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I 0:11:33.520 --> 0:11:36.320 feel like it's risky, but let's get some updates where 0:11:36.320 --> 0:11:39.079 are we with some of these pictures that there was 0:11:39.120 --> 0:11:42.440 a surprise to me that, you know, Hunter Harvey was 0:11:42.480 --> 0:11:46.400 even like a positive update. But what are you hearing 0:11:46.440 --> 0:11:49.080 on the road, What are the updates for these pictures. 0:11:50.320 --> 0:11:52.920 I'll get to that in a second, But your your 0:11:53.000 --> 0:11:55.160 thought there is exactly what I had when we were 0:11:55.200 --> 0:11:57.960 talking to Counts on Monday, of like, you know, if 0:11:57.960 --> 0:12:04.040 these guys are in a mid August time frame, do 0:12:04.080 --> 0:12:07.600 you feel better about the bullpen than you did, you know, months, 0:12:07.600 --> 0:12:11.319 if not weeks ago, And He's like, yeah, we're on 0:12:11.320 --> 0:12:15.520 a path towards getting more bodies out there, but you 0:12:15.559 --> 0:12:18.520 can always get better. And that's what I would say. 0:12:18.600 --> 0:12:21.600 I was like, there's only so many good pictures out there. 0:12:21.600 --> 0:12:25.200 You only have so many trade chips available, and if 0:12:25.240 --> 0:12:29.800 you have this cluster pictures kind of on the mend, 0:12:30.559 --> 0:12:32.599 where are you gonna put them all? And now that 0:12:32.600 --> 0:12:36.840 would be a good problem to have. I don't think. 0:12:37.440 --> 0:12:40.079 I think I'm saying you can always get better is 0:12:40.480 --> 0:12:45.760 probably the takeaway there of like they can you know, 0:12:46.120 --> 0:12:48.480 there are pictures that kind of help you get to October, 0:12:48.480 --> 0:12:50.719 and then there are those who you know, truly make 0:12:50.880 --> 0:12:54.440 a difference in the playoffs, and you know, high leverage 0:12:54.800 --> 0:13:00.079 relievers who are locked in have an outsize impact you 0:13:00.120 --> 0:13:04.600 know during those series. So yeah, Hunter Harvey, it's kind 0:13:04.600 --> 0:13:09.319 of a wild card, you know. I'd say right before 0:13:09.360 --> 0:13:13.960 the All Star break, the talk around him was like, 0:13:16.480 --> 0:13:20.320 quoting Council, you know, we're gonna we're gonna have to 0:13:20.480 --> 0:13:23.400 push through here, Like you know, it hasn't really gotten 0:13:24.200 --> 0:13:26.959 too a great place. We're kind of running out of time, 0:13:27.120 --> 0:13:31.720 like things are lingering, but we've been trying, and like 0:13:31.840 --> 0:13:34.040 this is the moment to kind of push forward. And 0:13:34.080 --> 0:13:39.800 apparently he had some sort of breakthrough or at least 0:13:39.920 --> 0:13:47.320 they found, you know, some sort of compromise here to 0:13:47.360 --> 0:13:50.160 get him on a path back towards the majors in 0:13:50.160 --> 0:13:55.000 a way that makes sense. And so both he and 0:13:55.040 --> 0:13:58.880 Daniel Polanci are on a similar timeline, like they're kind 0:13:58.880 --> 0:14:02.560 of bullpens how you would map out or rehab assignment 0:14:02.559 --> 0:14:09.079 are pretty close, and so you'd be looking at middle 0:14:09.120 --> 0:14:12.000 of August if everything goes well with no setbacks. I 0:14:12.040 --> 0:14:15.680 think Palencia and Harvey are sort of two different entities 0:14:15.720 --> 0:14:20.480 in terms of like we've seen Palencia comeback, We've seen 0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:24.040 him come back quickly. We all remember last September when 0:14:24.080 --> 0:14:26.320 it looked like you know, his his arm was in 0:14:26.800 --> 0:14:29.680 really really bad shape, and he wound up being awesome 0:14:29.720 --> 0:14:34.000 in the playoffs. Harvey, you know, the Cubs knew the 0:14:34.080 --> 0:14:37.120 risk when they signed him. He has an extensive injury history, 0:14:37.280 --> 0:14:42.240 but he does he does have that sort of X 0:14:42.280 --> 0:14:44.880 factor that they've been looking for in terms of the 0:14:44.880 --> 0:14:49.240 swing miss stuff. If they could get get him reincorporated 0:14:49.240 --> 0:14:53.160 into the bullpen. Hoby Millner would probably the first guy 0:14:53.240 --> 0:14:56.880 back from that. You know, his appendectomy was, you know, 0:14:56.920 --> 0:15:05.240 a fairly straightforward recovery plan. You know that, you know, 0:15:05.320 --> 0:15:09.080 I think he maybe starting He won't be active for 0:15:09.120 --> 0:15:11.080 the Yankee Series, which I think the Cubs would have 0:15:11.120 --> 0:15:14.200 liked to have him available for that, but you know, 0:15:14.240 --> 0:15:18.160 you'd be looking at early to mid August with him. 0:15:19.040 --> 0:15:21.680 Shelby Miller another name that you know, we had kind 0:15:21.680 --> 0:15:26.760 of heard as someone who's pushing through. He has kind 0:15:26.760 --> 0:15:30.120 of a longer sort of ramp up, but he's throwing 0:15:30.640 --> 0:15:34.400 live bps now and like they think there's a chance 0:15:34.440 --> 0:15:36.960 he could come back at some point this year. So 0:15:37.000 --> 0:15:42.080 that's what like, you know, for four relievers before we 0:15:42.120 --> 0:15:45.200 even get into you know, maybe getting a high leverage 0:15:45.200 --> 0:15:46.040 guy at the deadline. 0:15:47.400 --> 0:15:52.160 Yeah, it's it seems like it. It's risky in the 0:15:52.200 --> 0:15:54.760 sense that all these guys are coming back from injury, 0:15:54.800 --> 0:15:57.720 and it's like, what if none of it works out, 0:15:58.480 --> 0:16:00.680 you have to So it feels like you should get 0:16:00.840 --> 0:16:01.640 one more guy. 0:16:01.880 --> 0:16:03.520 For sure, should. 0:16:03.120 --> 0:16:06.720 Get one more guy. I think I still feel like 0:16:06.800 --> 0:16:11.400 the focus has to be on starting pitching. That's a must. 0:16:11.720 --> 0:16:14.120 You have to get a guy. I think if you 0:16:14.240 --> 0:16:16.640 look at it out all the injuries and you want 0:16:16.640 --> 0:16:18.840 to be optimistic, you could say, like, do you even 0:16:18.920 --> 0:16:21.400 need a starter? I think that's crazy way to look 0:16:21.440 --> 0:16:25.880 at it. You shouldn't. You absolutely do need a starter, 0:16:26.040 --> 0:16:28.440 not only for this season but beyond. I think it's 0:16:28.520 --> 0:16:32.800 really important to try and get that off season shopping 0:16:33.640 --> 0:16:36.800 check a little bit off your list. It's going to 0:16:36.840 --> 0:16:41.320 be hard, it's not going to come cheap. I do 0:16:41.440 --> 0:16:45.000 believe the Cubs are willing to move almost anyone in 0:16:45.040 --> 0:16:51.320 their system, almost anyone for the right piece. But where 0:16:51.320 --> 0:16:54.640 are we with the starters. I'd say Edward Cabrera is 0:16:54.680 --> 0:16:57.840 the only one that we have like a real map 0:16:57.920 --> 0:17:01.200 out for. I don't believe there were updates on I 0:17:01.200 --> 0:17:03.560 think Steele is in the same spot, and we're not 0:17:03.640 --> 0:17:06.560 expecting him to be a starter this year. But I 0:17:06.680 --> 0:17:09.760 don't remember reading. Maybe maybe I'm there's been so much 0:17:09.840 --> 0:17:12.800 that I've read of yours while you've been on the road. 0:17:13.000 --> 0:17:14.879 I don't believe there was a Ben Brown update, but 0:17:14.920 --> 0:17:17.800 maybe there was, and I'm forgetting uh. But Edward Cabrera, 0:17:17.880 --> 0:17:19.560 I believe is the one that we have the most 0:17:19.600 --> 0:17:20.520 conflict update for. 0:17:21.440 --> 0:17:24.520 Yeah, I mean, he's scheduled to make a rehab start 0:17:24.560 --> 0:17:28.639 on Friday with Triple A Iowa. He's scheduled for three 0:17:29.600 --> 0:17:33.159 rehab starts, so you can just kind of map the 0:17:33.240 --> 0:17:37.560 days out there that would put him in I did 0:17:37.560 --> 0:17:42.480 this last night. It was right right squarely in the 0:17:42.520 --> 0:17:48.080 middle of August. You know, he's healthy. You know, according 0:17:48.080 --> 0:17:51.680 to council that he is scheduled to throw a bullpen 0:17:51.800 --> 0:17:54.840 session this week at Bush Stadium and then go out 0:17:54.880 --> 0:18:03.760 to Iowa. So like there's a very reasonable expectation for 0:18:03.840 --> 0:18:06.520 when he will pitch for the Cubs again. Like that's 0:18:06.600 --> 0:18:10.879 assuming like no setback with this or not, like a 0:18:10.920 --> 0:18:16.480 different kind of injury popping up. They were all really 0:18:16.520 --> 0:18:20.720 curious to see, you know, has this downtime helped him 0:18:20.720 --> 0:18:22.399 and what sort of pitcher the Cubs are going to 0:18:22.480 --> 0:18:27.359 be getting back. Obviously, they thought he had the stuff 0:18:27.400 --> 0:18:29.680 to be at top of the rotation starter when he's 0:18:29.720 --> 0:18:32.120 been healthy. We haven't really seen it. We've seen very 0:18:32.160 --> 0:18:39.240 brief glimpses of it. Justin Steele still as of last 0:18:39.280 --> 0:18:45.520 weekend scheduled for kind of bullpen sessions first week of August, 0:18:45.840 --> 0:18:50.280 and Ben Brown was still kind of in the same 0:18:50.359 --> 0:18:55.359 place of like nothing noteworthy or that they were willing 0:18:55.440 --> 0:19:00.680 to share. I think that's just kind of another lower one, 0:19:01.440 --> 0:19:06.440 but I'd imagine we'll try and get something more concrete. 0:19:06.480 --> 0:19:09.920 It's just been kind of a weird injury, a lot 0:19:09.920 --> 0:19:13.119 of factors going into it. I think you can't. I 0:19:13.160 --> 0:19:16.400 think you have you have to count on Cabrera coming back. 0:19:16.440 --> 0:19:20.600 You know, they're expecting that, you know, steal. We'll see 0:19:20.600 --> 0:19:23.280 what he's able to do. And I think similar to 0:19:24.640 --> 0:19:27.960 similar case with Ben Brown, like they think he can 0:19:27.960 --> 0:19:31.920 pitch again this year. I'm sure it would be great 0:19:31.960 --> 0:19:35.400 for his frame of mind. It would help the Cubs 0:19:35.480 --> 0:19:38.359 plan a little bit. Maybe he can give you some 0:19:38.400 --> 0:19:45.439 innings here or there. Maybe in the playoffs if they 0:19:45.480 --> 0:19:48.359 get there, you can kind of reassess things and you 0:19:48.359 --> 0:19:51.960 know what everyone is comfortable with, But those two guys. 0:19:51.760 --> 0:19:55.680 Are in a separate category for now, okay, which also 0:19:55.760 --> 0:19:58.520 makes it interesting. As far as the adding to the 0:19:58.560 --> 0:20:04.040 bullpen aspect, it's just like they're such wild cards you 0:20:04.119 --> 0:20:06.680 don't want to have to like you're not one hundred 0:20:06.680 --> 0:20:09.320 percent sure what they can give you. But you know that, 0:20:09.720 --> 0:20:13.760 especially with Ben Brown, that if he's healthy, he can 0:20:13.800 --> 0:20:15.720 give you a lot right now, Like I just don't 0:20:15.760 --> 0:20:17.960 know where I don't want to say that for Justin Steele, 0:20:18.000 --> 0:20:20.280 just because he hasn't pitched in so long. I know 0:20:20.359 --> 0:20:23.359 when he's right, he can give you really good innings, 0:20:23.400 --> 0:20:27.639 no matter whether he's a reliever or a starter. But 0:20:27.880 --> 0:20:29.679 I just don't know where he's at right now, so 0:20:29.720 --> 0:20:33.520 I don't want to say that for sure. With like, 0:20:34.240 --> 0:20:37.160 as far as what they can trade, we've talked about 0:20:37.200 --> 0:20:41.439 this a lot. As far as the prospects go, I 0:20:41.480 --> 0:20:44.040 think there's a few guys that we can talk about 0:20:44.119 --> 0:20:46.960 that are on the major like either have had some 0:20:47.080 --> 0:20:51.399 major league experience or currently on the major league roster. 0:20:52.880 --> 0:20:55.080 I guess like we can just name him the four 0:20:55.119 --> 0:21:00.399 guys I would mention our Pedro Ramirez, Matt Shaw, Kevin 0:21:00.400 --> 0:21:04.960 El Contra and now James Treanto's who just came up recently. 0:21:07.920 --> 0:21:11.920 You know, I think the biggest deals, if you're making 0:21:11.960 --> 0:21:16.480 a big deal, it would either be Pedro Romirez or 0:21:16.520 --> 0:21:20.000 Matt Shaw would be ones that you could see getting 0:21:20.040 --> 0:21:22.760 a really big piece. We just saw Curtis Mead for 0:21:23.040 --> 0:21:27.199 Connolly early, the two under control players, position player for 0:21:27.240 --> 0:21:30.920 a pitcher. Those trades don't happen that often. But that's 0:21:31.080 --> 0:21:33.040 kind of made me think of Matt Shaw or Pedro 0:21:33.119 --> 0:21:38.320 Ramirez that that I mean personally, I like, for everything 0:21:38.359 --> 0:21:42.239 I've seen of Pedro Romirez, I love the guy. I 0:21:42.280 --> 0:21:44.879 don't know where he fits in the future of this team, 0:21:45.280 --> 0:21:47.639 but I also think, like you find a place for 0:21:47.720 --> 0:21:50.960 a guy like that. I also don't want to just 0:21:51.040 --> 0:21:54.480 miss Matt Shaw because you know, it's like we haven't 0:21:54.480 --> 0:21:56.040 seen him in a little bit. So it makes me 0:21:56.240 --> 0:21:58.600 like I don't want to forget that, Like when he 0:21:58.640 --> 0:22:01.080 has been healthy this year, he's been really good and 0:22:01.160 --> 0:22:03.840 he's really versatile. Both those guys are valuable in their 0:22:03.880 --> 0:22:06.000 own way, which makes them valuable on the trade market 0:22:06.000 --> 0:22:06.400 as well. 0:22:07.960 --> 0:22:12.280 Yeah, I mean, Shaw council confirmed will not be activated 0:22:12.320 --> 0:22:18.040 before the trade deadline. That doesn't mean a trade involving 0:22:18.080 --> 0:22:21.000 Shaw can't happen. I mean, we saw that in that 0:22:21.160 --> 0:22:26.240 National's Red Sox trade that you know, I think, and 0:22:26.280 --> 0:22:29.040 I think taking on injured pitchure is different than taking 0:22:29.080 --> 0:22:33.919 on an injured super utility guy. But I don't know. 0:22:34.160 --> 0:22:35.919 I think it's harder to line up if you're so 0:22:36.080 --> 0:22:40.520 obsessed with value and you know Mattshaw was untouchable not 0:22:40.600 --> 0:22:42.639 that long ago because you thought his future of value 0:22:42.720 --> 0:22:46.080 was just through the roof. I have a hard time 0:22:46.680 --> 0:22:54.000 seeing like two data driven teams come together on the 0:22:54.080 --> 0:22:57.400 right value of an injured guy who I'm not sure 0:22:57.400 --> 0:23:00.199 how much he's even like swinging a bat right now, 0:23:02.720 --> 0:23:07.240 and obviously no one's untouchable. Maybe this is nothing but 0:23:08.119 --> 0:23:11.159 listening to the way counsel raves about Pedro Amir's is 0:23:11.240 --> 0:23:18.679 maturity and baseball iq uh and skill set is very noticeable, 0:23:19.359 --> 0:23:23.679 and so he sounds like a keeper to me. I 0:23:23.680 --> 0:23:27.960 think the Cubs are concerned about all the free agents 0:23:28.320 --> 0:23:31.639 they have looming on their roster. They don't know what 0:23:31.720 --> 0:23:36.200 the next CBA is going to look like. I think 0:23:36.280 --> 0:23:40.399 they think young talent will be young, cheap young talent 0:23:40.440 --> 0:23:44.119 will be even more of a premium. Uh in the 0:23:44.200 --> 0:23:50.040 years ahead when you have those flexible pieces, obviously, you 0:23:50.040 --> 0:23:53.040 know you got to give up something to get something, 0:23:53.080 --> 0:23:57.359 and you know, maybe that's they're they're kind of forced 0:23:57.520 --> 0:24:00.440 into something like that. But yeah, yeah, I think we 0:24:00.480 --> 0:24:03.480 all think, I mean, Kevin Alcantra should probably be on 0:24:03.520 --> 0:24:08.520 a new team by by August third, and you know, 0:24:08.680 --> 0:24:13.160 Trianta's is an interesting one. Like I think it would 0:24:13.160 --> 0:24:15.800 probably be best for his career to find, you know, somewhere 0:24:15.880 --> 0:24:20.600 that you know, second, third, second and third aren't occupied 0:24:20.640 --> 0:24:24.480 by guys on long term nine figure deals. Council also 0:24:24.480 --> 0:24:26.480 said he'd be comfortable putting him in left, like those 0:24:26.480 --> 0:24:29.040 are kind of the three positions, but he also said 0:24:29.160 --> 0:24:31.320 James is not going to play a lot like that 0:24:31.440 --> 0:24:33.399 was the and I thought that was kind of an 0:24:33.400 --> 0:24:36.399 interesting insight into how Council views the roster and the 0:24:36.440 --> 0:24:39.120 idea of developing talent at the major league level. It's 0:24:39.200 --> 0:24:42.280 not just what happens in between the lines on the field. 0:24:42.400 --> 0:24:46.879 It is exposing someone like Pedro Amirez early this year 0:24:47.119 --> 0:24:49.119 to the club and then a couple of things happened, 0:24:49.160 --> 0:24:52.639