Speaker 1: Welcome into Northside Territory fil Territory Networks Cubs Podcast. I'm
Speaker 1: Sahadim Charma with my partner Patrick Mooney. We are your
Speaker 1: Cubs beat writers over at the Athletic and Patrick, the
Speaker 1: Cubs have made the decision to dfa jameson Tywn. It
Speaker 1: had just gotten to the point where he wasn't getting
Speaker 1: the job done. When he went out there, came back
Speaker 1: from the injured list, it made I believe it was
Speaker 1: a left hamstring. Made two starts immediately put his team
Speaker 1: in a hole, giving up multiple home runs. I think
Speaker 1: he'd given up five home runs in the two starts.
Speaker 1: It was well over twenty home runs twenty five I'm
Speaker 1: going off memory right now. Yeah, twenty five home runs total.
Speaker 1: And he was in like the seventy somethingter innings. He's
Speaker 1: like fifth in home runs allowed and a good twenty
Speaker 1: innings below that group of pitchers that were that were
Speaker 1: up there at the top of the league. Just too
Speaker 1: much hard contact, too many balls going over the fence,
Speaker 1: and it got to the point where they had to
Speaker 1: let him go. A team leader, a great easy guy
Speaker 1: to talk to, always a good quote for us, but
Speaker 1: it wasn't getting the job done anymore.
Speaker 2: You're right side. There's a couple of different sides to this.
Speaker 2: I think leading with the person Dansby Swanson said jameson
Speaker 2: Tyn is quote definitely on my mount rushmore of teammates,
Speaker 2: you had players like Matthew Boyd just kind of raving
Speaker 2: about Jamison's character. Even Craig Counsel, who this doesn't always
Speaker 2: come across on the TV screen, but who does have
Speaker 2: really great feel for clubhouse dynamics and culture. You described
Speaker 2: him as a great teacher for how to act like
Speaker 2: a major league player, and he acknowledged that sounds kind
Speaker 2: of silly, like what's the big deal with that, But
Speaker 2: a lot of players need help, and Jamison was exemplary
Speaker 2: in terms of showing how you treat people behind the scenes,
Speaker 2: how you conduct and carry yourself as a professional. And
Speaker 2: you know, having said all that, he was a really
Speaker 2: good pitcher for them last year. I mean he was
Speaker 2: on the mound in October when they won two elimination
Speaker 2: games at Wrigley Field wire to wire. From that contract, obviously,
Speaker 2: you know he did not deliver, but for long stretches
Speaker 2: during that he was exactly as advertised, very dependable, reliable,
Speaker 2: had an excellent season in twenty four, twenty three, it
Speaker 2: was a bad first half, very good second half, and
Speaker 2: then you know, last year really helped hold the playoff
Speaker 2: team together and I think ultimately the calculus here, you know,
Speaker 2: according to counsels, they just didn't think he was going
Speaker 2: to pitch for them again. That they felt that it
Speaker 2: had sort of just run its course in terms of
Speaker 2: their game planning ideas, you know, pitch mix, you know
Speaker 2: this or that, Like it was just in their mind,
Speaker 2: you know, it was time to give someone else an opportunity,
Speaker 2: knowing that they're probably going to be adding at the
Speaker 2: trade deadline.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm looking at these numbers and it's it's hard
Speaker 1: like a twenty four great, great, really good season. Three
Speaker 1: twenty seven era, uh, three sixty eight ERA. Last year, Uh,
Speaker 1: he was hurt for a little bit, but then came
Speaker 1: back and really delivered for them in the playoffs was
Speaker 1: a you know, solid He started those two elimination games,
Speaker 1: looked good out there. The hard contact just skyrocketed this year.
Speaker 1: Home runs, this hard contact, everything was hit hard. There
Speaker 1: was just not that it wasn't like there was anything
Speaker 1: in the underlying data that said, like, you know what
Speaker 1: we can fix this or this is here's some things
Speaker 1: that look good that we can rely on. It's a
Speaker 1: disappointing end to a guy that, like you said, as
Speaker 1: far as Clubhouse goes, he's a he was a big
Speaker 1: part of that group and he the other day we
Speaker 1: were talking to Pete row Armstrong. I remember this, and
Speaker 1: someone was talking about the funniest guy in the clubhouse,
Speaker 1: and that was the guy that Pete mentioned first was
Speaker 1: jameson ti own laid back guy that that you know,
Speaker 1: knew how to talk to everyone, all types of people,
Speaker 1: and he was very very good at kind of like
Speaker 1: talking about the big picture, understand ending things like in
Speaker 1: a holistic way. It was it was it was fun
Speaker 1: to talk to him. That's for sure, a very easy
Speaker 1: guy to uh. You know, if if it didn't matter,
Speaker 1: like if you had a storyline and he had pitched,
Speaker 1: it was like, oh perfect, I can ask Tyo about this.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like, you know, he'll give you a
Speaker 1: good answer. We love those types of guys. They're very
Speaker 1: easy to to to deal with. I think this sets
Speaker 1: up something though, like what was the vibe you were
Speaker 1: getting when when talking to people out there? Is this
Speaker 1: like it we've been talking about it for weeks already,
Speaker 1: but adding to the rotation feels like a must at
Speaker 1: the trade deadline. They've already added David Peterson, who's made
Speaker 1: five or six starts, really nice start Monday night against
Speaker 1: Saint Louis after his only bad start was against Saint Louis.
Speaker 1: He's been a solid addition for them. But but they're
Speaker 1: they're going to continue to add to this rotation and
Speaker 1: I feel like getting rid of I think the one
Speaker 1: surprise was how can you get rid of starting pitching depth? Uh,
Speaker 1: they must feel good that they're going to continue to add.
Speaker 2: When I ask counsel that he gave me the he
Speaker 2: deliberated for a moment or two and then just said
Speaker 2: pass and then he started of thought about it so well.
Speaker 2: I think I think Jed's said he wants to add
Speaker 2: start any pitch, and it's like, well, yeah, he said
Speaker 2: that last year too and got Michael Soroca, who did
Speaker 2: start then got hurt because he had already been hurt,
Speaker 2: you know, within that season, within that summer, and for
Speaker 2: long stretches of his career. So uh, you know, the
Speaker 2: plan is for Javier assad to you know, make that
Speaker 2: next start. I think that would be whatever Friday, you know,
Speaker 2: this weekend against the Yankees. Obviously, Asad has been very good.
Speaker 2: You know, I would guess that's a temporary assignment in
Speaker 2: the rotation unless something else happens or you know, I
Speaker 2: guess you could also move Colin Ray back to the bullpen.
Speaker 2: But clearly this season is just getting shorter. The calendar
Speaker 2: is shrinking. Like if this was May, I think you
Speaker 2: kind of work through some of Taiwan stuff more, particularly
Speaker 2: seeing how you know depleted, you know, their pitching reserves are.
Speaker 2: But you know, we'll get into this later. Like there
Speaker 2: are some optimistic updates when you when you look at
Speaker 2: that outlook for August in September, in terms of you know,
Speaker 2: guys getting healthy. You're right to mention Peterson. I think
Speaker 2: he'll make seven starts before the trade deadline, which is
Speaker 2: pretty good. I mean, obviously he was not performing for
Speaker 2: the Mets, like you know, he was probably you know,
Speaker 2: he was kind of trending toward DFA territory if he
Speaker 2: didn't turn it around in New York. But you know,
Speaker 2: Jed Hoyer went out and got him. He's been kind
Speaker 2: of exactly what you know, you would have hoped for.
Speaker 2: I think in those six starts he's been you know,
Speaker 2: at least serviceable, if not a lot better than five
Speaker 2: of those. So just that really, you know, blowout loss
Speaker 2: against the Cardinals at Wrigley Field. You know, he turned
Speaker 2: it around at Bush Stadium on Monday night. And so
Speaker 2: you know, Council said, he's like the trade deadline's a factor.
Speaker 2: The amount of season we have left as a factor.
Speaker 2: What we saw within Jamison's season is a factor. And
Speaker 2: so like the the pictures we'll talk about in a
Speaker 2: bit were getting healthy. He said, that's not really you know,
Speaker 2: part of it. But you know, I think you do
Speaker 2: since a little bit of urgency, you know, with a
Speaker 2: move like this, you know, as Matthew Boyd said, it's
Speaker 2: not like it's a wake up call. And you know,
Speaker 2: Nico horn or nod at his head when I said,
Speaker 2: I know, you guys, you try to treat every day
Speaker 2: the same as the same day. You know, that's a
Speaker 2: big kind of counsel. That's the environment, the bubble he
Speaker 2: tries to create. But you know, you can tell it's
Speaker 2: kind of getting to go time here, and you know,
Speaker 2: instead of those dog days of August, they might get
Speaker 2: a nice like boost between the deadline and guys getting
Speaker 2: healthy like they really, as Pete said, they've really had
Speaker 2: to grind through a lot of the first half and
Speaker 2: now you know, you'd like to think they'd kind of
Speaker 2: see the rewards from that.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Okay, what you're touching on about the health, Let's
Speaker 1: take a break because I think this is I'm very
Speaker 1: curious about how this will play out and with tying
Speaker 1: it into the deadline because the bullpen starter stuff is
Speaker 1: going to be interesting to talk about. Let's take a
Speaker 1: break and come I can talk a little bit about
Speaker 1: who's getting healthy and what the timelines may be.
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Speaker 1: Use it later. All right, Patrick, I was thinking about this,
Speaker 1: if if these guys get healthy, there's a lot of
Speaker 1: stuff going on with health and who may come back.
Speaker 1: It seemed like you almost had to add like multiple
Speaker 1: big pieces in the bullpen at one point. Now, I'm
Speaker 1: kind of curious to see how this plays out and
Speaker 1: what exactly they're they're going to add. Is it. I
Speaker 1: feel like it's risky, but let's get some updates where
Speaker 1: are we with some of these pictures that there was
Speaker 1: a surprise to me that, you know, Hunter Harvey was
Speaker 1: even like a positive update. But what are you hearing
Speaker 1: on the road, What are the updates for these pictures.
Speaker 2: I'll get to that in a second, But your your
Speaker 2: thought there is exactly what I had when we were
Speaker 2: talking to Counts on Monday, of like, you know, if
Speaker 2: these guys are in a mid August time frame, do
Speaker 2: you feel better about the bullpen than you did, you know, months,
Speaker 2: if not weeks ago, And He's like, yeah, we're on
Speaker 2: a path towards getting more bodies out there, but you
Speaker 2: can always get better. And that's what I would say.
Speaker 2: I was like, there's only so many good pictures out there.
Speaker 2: You only have so many trade chips available, and if
Speaker 2: you have this cluster pictures kind of on the mend,
Speaker 2: where are you gonna put them all? And now that
Speaker 2: would be a good problem to have. I don't think.
Speaker 2: I think I'm saying you can always get better is
Speaker 2: probably the takeaway there of like they can you know,
Speaker 2: there are pictures that kind of help you get to October,
Speaker 2: and then there are those who you know, truly make
Speaker 2: a difference in the playoffs, and you know, high leverage
Speaker 2: relievers who are locked in have an outsize impact you
Speaker 2: know during those series. So yeah, Hunter Harvey, it's kind
Speaker 2: of a wild card, you know. I'd say right before
Speaker 2: the All Star break, the talk around him was like,
Speaker 2: quoting Council, you know, we're gonna we're gonna have to
Speaker 2: push through here, Like you know, it hasn't really gotten
Speaker 2: too a great place. We're kind of running out of time,
Speaker 2: like things are lingering, but we've been trying, and like
Speaker 2: this is the moment to kind of push forward. And
Speaker 2: apparently he had some sort of breakthrough or at least
Speaker 2: they found, you know, some sort of compromise here to
Speaker 2: get him on a path back towards the majors in
Speaker 2: a way that makes sense. And so both he and
Speaker 2: Daniel Polanci are on a similar timeline, like they're kind
Speaker 2: of bullpens how you would map out or rehab assignment
Speaker 2: are pretty close, and so you'd be looking at middle
Speaker 2: of August if everything goes well with no setbacks. I
Speaker 2: think Palencia and Harvey are sort of two different entities
Speaker 2: in terms of like we've seen Palencia comeback, We've seen
Speaker 2: him come back quickly. We all remember last September when
Speaker 2: it looked like you know, his his arm was in
Speaker 2: really really bad shape, and he wound up being awesome
Speaker 2: in the playoffs. Harvey, you know, the Cubs knew the
Speaker 2: risk when they signed him. He has an extensive injury history,
Speaker 2: but he does he does have that sort of X
Speaker 2: factor that they've been looking for in terms of the
Speaker 2: swing miss stuff. If they could get get him reincorporated
Speaker 2: into the bullpen. Hoby Millner would probably the first guy
Speaker 2: back from that. You know, his appendectomy was, you know,
Speaker 2: a fairly straightforward recovery plan. You know that, you know,
Speaker 2: I think he maybe starting He won't be active for
Speaker 2: the Yankee Series, which I think the Cubs would have
Speaker 2: liked to have him available for that, but you know,
Speaker 2: you'd be looking at early to mid August with him.
Speaker 2: Shelby Miller another name that you know, we had kind
Speaker 2: of heard as someone who's pushing through. He has kind
Speaker 2: of a longer sort of ramp up, but he's throwing
Speaker 2: live bps now and like they think there's a chance
Speaker 2: he could come back at some point this year. So
Speaker 2: that's what like, you know, for four relievers before we
Speaker 2: even get into you know, maybe getting a high leverage
Speaker 2: guy at the deadline.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it seems like it. It's risky in the
Speaker 1: sense that all these guys are coming back from injury,
Speaker 1: and it's like, what if none of it works out,
Speaker 1: you have to So it feels like you should get
Speaker 1: one more guy.
Speaker 2: For sure, should.
Speaker 1: Get one more guy. I think I still feel like
Speaker 1: the focus has to be on starting pitching. That's a must.
Speaker 1: You have to get a guy. I think if you
Speaker 1: look at it out all the injuries and you want
Speaker 1: to be optimistic, you could say, like, do you even
Speaker 1: need a starter? I think that's crazy way to look
Speaker 1: at it. You shouldn't. You absolutely do need a starter,
Speaker 1: not only for this season but beyond. I think it's
Speaker 1: really important to try and get that off season shopping
Speaker 1: check a little bit off your list. It's going to
Speaker 1: be hard, it's not going to come cheap. I do
Speaker 1: believe the Cubs are willing to move almost anyone in
Speaker 1: their system, almost anyone for the right piece. But where
Speaker 1: are we with the starters. I'd say Edward Cabrera is
Speaker 1: the only one that we have like a real map
Speaker 1: out for. I don't believe there were updates on I
Speaker 1: think Steele is in the same spot, and we're not
Speaker 1: expecting him to be a starter this year. But I
Speaker 1: don't remember reading. Maybe maybe I'm there's been so much
Speaker 1: that I've read of yours while you've been on the road.
Speaker 1: I don't believe there was a Ben Brown update, but
Speaker 1: maybe there was, and I'm forgetting uh. But Edward Cabrera,
Speaker 1: I believe is the one that we have the most
Speaker 1: conflict update for.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, he's scheduled to make a rehab start
Speaker 2: on Friday with Triple A Iowa. He's scheduled for three
Speaker 2: rehab starts, so you can just kind of map the
Speaker 2: days out there that would put him in I did
Speaker 2: this last night. It was right right squarely in the
Speaker 2: middle of August. You know, he's healthy. You know, according
Speaker 2: to council that he is scheduled to throw a bullpen
Speaker 2: session this week at Bush Stadium and then go out
Speaker 2: to Iowa. So like there's a very reasonable expectation for
Speaker 2: when he will pitch for the Cubs again. Like that's
Speaker 2: assuming like no setback with this or not, like a
Speaker 2: different kind of injury popping up. They were all really
Speaker 2: curious to see, you know, has this downtime helped him
Speaker 2: and what sort of pitcher the Cubs are going to
Speaker 2: be getting back. Obviously, they thought he had the stuff
Speaker 2: to be at top of the rotation starter when he's
Speaker 2: been healthy. We haven't really seen it. We've seen very
Speaker 2: brief glimpses of it. Justin Steele still as of last
Speaker 2: weekend scheduled for kind of bullpen sessions first week of August,
Speaker 2: and Ben Brown was still kind of in the same
Speaker 2: place of like nothing noteworthy or that they were willing
Speaker 2: to share. I think that's just kind of another lower one,
Speaker 2: but I'd imagine we'll try and get something more concrete.
Speaker 2: It's just been kind of a weird injury, a lot
Speaker 2: of factors going into it. I think you can't. I
Speaker 2: think you have you have to count on Cabrera coming back.
Speaker 2: You know, they're expecting that, you know, steal. We'll see
Speaker 2: what he's able to do. And I think similar to
Speaker 2: similar case with Ben Brown, like they think he can
Speaker 2: pitch again this year. I'm sure it would be great
Speaker 2: for his frame of mind. It would help the Cubs
Speaker 2: plan a little bit. Maybe he can give you some
Speaker 2: innings here or there. Maybe in the playoffs if they
Speaker 2: get there, you can kind of reassess things and you
Speaker 2: know what everyone is comfortable with, But those two guys.
Speaker 1: Are in a separate category for now, okay, which also
Speaker 1: makes it interesting. As far as the adding to the
Speaker 1: bullpen aspect, it's just like they're such wild cards you
Speaker 1: don't want to have to like you're not one hundred
Speaker 1: percent sure what they can give you. But you know that,
Speaker 1: especially with Ben Brown, that if he's healthy, he can
Speaker 1: give you a lot right now, Like I just don't
Speaker 1: know where I don't want to say that for Justin Steele,
Speaker 1: just because he hasn't pitched in so long. I know
Speaker 1: when he's right, he can give you really good innings,
Speaker 1: no matter whether he's a reliever or a starter. But
Speaker 1: I just don't know where he's at right now, so
Speaker 1: I don't want to say that for sure. With like,
Speaker 1: as far as what they can trade, we've talked about
Speaker 1: this a lot. As far as the prospects go, I
Speaker 1: think there's a few guys that we can talk about
Speaker 1: that are on the major like either have had some
Speaker 1: major league experience or currently on the major league roster.
Speaker 1: I guess like we can just name him the four
Speaker 1: guys I would mention our Pedro Ramirez, Matt Shaw, Kevin
Speaker 1: El Contra and now James Treanto's who just came up recently.
Speaker 1: You know, I think the biggest deals, if you're making
Speaker 1: a big deal, it would either be Pedro Romirez or
Speaker 1: Matt Shaw would be ones that you could see getting
Speaker 1: a really big piece. We just saw Curtis Mead for
Speaker 1: Connolly early, the two under control players, position player for
Speaker 1: a pitcher. Those trades don't happen that often. But that's
Speaker 1: kind of made me think of Matt Shaw or Pedro
Speaker 1: Ramirez that that I mean personally, I like, for everything
Speaker 1: I've seen of Pedro Romirez, I love the guy. I
Speaker 1: don't know where he fits in the future of this team,
Speaker 1: but I also think, like you find a place for
Speaker 1: a guy like that. I also don't want to just
Speaker 1: miss Matt Shaw because you know, it's like we haven't
Speaker 1: seen him in a little bit. So it makes me
Speaker 1: like I don't want to forget that, Like when he
Speaker 1: has been healthy this year, he's been really good and
Speaker 1: he's really versatile. Both those guys are valuable in their
Speaker 1: own way, which makes them valuable on the trade market
Speaker 1: as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, Shaw council confirmed will not be activated
Speaker 2: before the trade deadline. That doesn't mean a trade involving
Speaker 2: Shaw can't happen. I mean, we saw that in that
Speaker 2: National's Red Sox trade that you know, I think, and
Speaker 2: I think taking on injured pitchure is different than taking
Speaker 2: on an injured super utility guy. But I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think it's harder to line up if you're so
Speaker 2: obsessed with value and you know Mattshaw was untouchable not
Speaker 2: that long ago because you thought his future of value
Speaker 2: was just through the roof. I have a hard time
Speaker 2: seeing like two data driven teams come together on the
Speaker 2: right value of an injured guy who I'm not sure
Speaker 2: how much he's even like swinging a bat right now,
Speaker 2: and obviously no one's untouchable. Maybe this is nothing but
Speaker 2: listening to the way counsel raves about Pedro Amir's is
Speaker 2: maturity and baseball iq uh and skill set is very noticeable,
Speaker 2: and so he sounds like a keeper to me. I
Speaker 2: think the Cubs are concerned about all the free agents
Speaker 2: they have looming on their roster. They don't know what
Speaker 2: the next CBA is going to look like. I think
Speaker 2: they think young talent will be young, cheap young talent
Speaker 2: will be even more of a premium. Uh in the
Speaker 2: years ahead when you have those flexible pieces, obviously, you
Speaker 2: know you got to give up something to get something,
Speaker 2: and you know, maybe that's they're they're kind of forced
Speaker 2: into something like that. But yeah, yeah, I think we
Speaker 2: all think, I mean, Kevin Alcantra should probably be on
Speaker 2: a new team by by August third, and you know,
Speaker 2: Trianta's is an interesting one. Like I think it would
Speaker 2: probably be best for his career to find, you know, somewhere
Speaker 2: that you know, second, third, second and third aren't occupied
Speaker 2: by guys on long term nine figure deals. Council also
Speaker 2: said he'd be comfortable putting him in left, like those
Speaker 2: are kind of the three positions, but he also said
Speaker 2: James is not going to play a lot like that
Speaker 2: was the and I thought that was kind of an
Speaker 2: interesting insight into how Council views the roster and the
Speaker 2: idea of developing talent at the major league level. It's
Speaker 2: not just what happens in between the lines on the field.
Speaker 2: It is exposing someone like Pedro Amirez early this year
Speaker 2: to the club and then a couple of things happened,
Speaker 2: and he makes a couple of plays and you know,
Speaker 2: passes the eye tests and all of a sudden, you know,
Speaker 2: he hasn't gone back to Iowa. So I would think that,
Speaker 2: you know, Triante Contra, if a couple other players at
Speaker 2: Triple A that I think you could get something for,
Speaker 2: Like you're not getting Scooble, you know, for your your
Speaker 2: des Moines leftovers, but like those players I think would
Speaker 2: have value kind of out on the marketplace that if
Speaker 2: you're a rebuilding team, I think there are worst worst
Speaker 2: pieces to get. Then you know, some of these interesting
Speaker 2: position players the Cubs have, I'm not over hyping them
Speaker 2: just so pups have a pretty good track record with this.
Speaker 2: They have like no opportunity here. The Cubs, it's in
Speaker 2: their best interest to like move on from some of
Speaker 2: these players and get some like right now pitching value
Speaker 2: because it's not like their farm system is producing a
Speaker 2: lot of arms right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it really depends what the acquiring team is looking for.
Speaker 1: A guy like Johnny Long. You know, it could be
Speaker 1: a nice secondary piece in like a smaller deal. Think
Speaker 1: back to the Soroka deal that was Ronnie Cruz was
Speaker 1: kind of like the younger piece, and then Christian Franklin
Speaker 1: was like the Triple A guy like on the verge
Speaker 1: that could maybe help BJ. Murray's a little older. I
Speaker 1: think he's like twenty six. That's an older guy. Again,
Speaker 1: not a ton of value, but could be a piece
Speaker 1: in a deal for a reliever, or like a third
Speaker 1: or fourth piece in a for a starter. And like
Speaker 1: we didn't even talk about him. I don't I don't
Speaker 1: know if they'd be willing to move him. But moyses
Speaker 1: by Asteros is still a triple A. He hasn't started
Speaker 1: raking yet, but you kind of know that he's going
Speaker 1: to hit. You want to see him get his confidence back.
Speaker 1: And I still think he's a part of the future
Speaker 1: for the Cubs. But you know, in the right deal,
Speaker 1: you can't say that he's, you know, untouchable. I don't
Speaker 1: think anybody is all contra I do believe is it's
Speaker 1: tough to get him proper value, like as a part
Speaker 1: time player. I just don't think he is a part
Speaker 1: time player. I think he's a guy that you need
Speaker 1: to let him play and see if that talent kind
Speaker 1: of takes over, because he is like even in the minors,
Speaker 1: he's the type of guy that, like, you let him
Speaker 1: play and then he gets red hot and it's like, oh, Yeah,
Speaker 1: this guy's incredibly talented. It's hard to show that when
Speaker 1: you're getting you know, very few at bats and starting
Speaker 1: against lefties on occasion. It's it's I don't think he's
Speaker 1: that type of player. So, you know, I do think
Speaker 1: he has value. I don't think he can be like
Speaker 1: the centerpiece of a deal for like, you know, a
Speaker 1: controllable starter like Red Depmers or something. I don't think
Speaker 1: he's like the headliner, but I do think he has value.
Speaker 1: All these guys are solid pieces that I agree with you.
Speaker 1: Treanto's and l Contre just kind of makes sense. Like
Speaker 1: I want to see these guys get every day playing
Speaker 1: time somewhere, and I think we're on the sane, like
Speaker 1: the way the council has talked about Ramirez like this
Speaker 1: really since spring training. Yeah, and you know, we'll see
Speaker 1: if we'll see if he's still a part of the future.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you have to give up players that you just
Speaker 1: love to get that right piece. But you know, I
Speaker 1: do think he can impact the team now and in
Speaker 1: the future. And like you said, there, we don't know
Speaker 1: what the new CBA will look like. All right, Patrick,
Speaker 1: that's it for now. We'll have a few more episodes
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