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The Colin Coward Podcast 11 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 1: presented by the Fan Duel Sports Book. Hi everybody, and 12 00:00:55,000 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 1: welcome in to our Thursday morning podcast. Matt most got 13 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 1: some thoughts on Luca Dallas Cowboys draft, one of my 14 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 1: favorite funny guys. Matt Mosley stops by first though, fake questions, 15 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:12,320 Speaker 1: real answers. There's a lot I want to talk about, 16 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:14,319 Speaker 1: but don't want to wait for you to ask me 17 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: the question. Dear Colin, what do you make of basketball 18 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 1: er JJ Reddick telling radio host Chris Russo that he's 19 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:27,039 Speaker 1: outdated to say players should keep quiet and play all right. 20 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 1: I don't know Chris Russo, but I've heard him on 21 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 1: radio and did for years when I lived in Connecticut. 22 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 1: He was a big New York radio personality. There's two 23 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 1: types of sports radio hosts, old school guys that's Russo 24 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 1: and new school guys. New school guys I would qualify 25 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:46,680 Speaker 1: for that. I tend to focus on where things are 26 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 1: headed instead of where they've been. I talk soccer in 27 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 1: UFC and a lot of basketball, pro basketball and NFL 28 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 1: and gambling. That's what young consumers like. Russo tends to 29 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 1: be old school. He takes calls, he loves talking about 30 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 1: baseball like it's the sixties, dead people authors, and they're 31 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:10,920 Speaker 1: certainly an audience for that. But that kind of host, 32 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 1: and I've noticed this for years, tends to have disdain 33 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:18,800 Speaker 1: for the current NBA and often modern athletes. I don't 34 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 1: know why. I think we've had social changes and athletes 35 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 1: have a bigger say and more personality. I do think 36 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 1: if you gave Walt Fraser and Earl Monroe Instagram in 37 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 1: the seventies, they'd be outspoken too. But there are broadcasters 38 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 1: in my profession that tend to lean into the past. 39 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 1: They cling to it, they like it, they're comfortable in it, 40 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:46,679 Speaker 1: and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. Russo's a good guy, 41 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 1: I've been told, but he's an old school broadcaster. They 42 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 1: often talk about the good old days of the NBA, 43 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 1: like the Nicks and the Pacers free throw shooting contests 44 00:02:57,040 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 1: were fascinating. NBA players today overwhelmingly more skilled, stronger, better 45 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:08,360 Speaker 1: ball handlers, better shooters. I like today's NBA and Draymond 46 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 1: Greene is a big part of that. Wildly respected by 47 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 1: players in the association. JJ Reddick rightly defended him. And 48 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:20,119 Speaker 1: let me say this about JJ Reddick. I've been told 49 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:22,959 Speaker 1: he's not a fan of mine. That's fine, he doesn't 50 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 1: have to be. He's a hell of a broadcaster. Reddick 51 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 1: does something that very few ESPN hosts are willing to do, 52 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 1: be confrontational, go after people if he disagrees. He's smart, 53 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 1: he does his homework, super knowledgeable, and I like his 54 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 1: ability to disagree with a smile, be able to land 55 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 1: a punch and take one whether he likes me or not. 56 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 1: JJ Reddick is a hell of a broadcaster. Dear Colin, 57 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: what do you make of NBA ratings that are actually 58 00:03:56,440 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 1: way up despite the fact that Lebron's not in the playoffs? Well, 59 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 1: I think two things are true. Number one is Lebron 60 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 1: can be political, and there's a subset of people in 61 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 1: America who want their sports here and their politics and 62 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 1: social issues over there. It doesn't matter to me if 63 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 1: they're occasionally mixed. And in the history of the NBA, 64 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 1: players have often been popular and outspoken on political and 65 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:26,159 Speaker 1: social issues. But it does bother some people, and Lebron 66 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:30,280 Speaker 1: more than any star, perhaps my life in pro basketball 67 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 1: is willing to discuss those It does turn some people off. 68 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 1: But I think the larger point I would make is 69 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 1: dynasties and superstars are probably best served for about ten years. 70 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 1: I think people have Tom Brady and Lebron fatigue, especially 71 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:56,479 Speaker 1: Lebron fatigue. Listen, he made eight straight finals, he dominated 72 00:04:56,520 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 1: an entire conference, He's all over social media, he's got 73 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:07,360 Speaker 1: TV shows. Lebron's everywhere and has been for fifteen years. 74 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:10,719 Speaker 1: And frankly, the NBA has always been really good at 75 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 1: introducing us to exciting new players like Zion or John 76 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:17,159 Speaker 1: Morant or Luca And I think I speak for a 77 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 1: lot of people. I love This Warrior's Grizzly series, old school, 78 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:25,359 Speaker 1: new school. I love some of the young players in 79 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:29,920 Speaker 1: the NBA, like Luca and again John Morant. I don't 80 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 1: think Lebron's a bad guy, but I think everybody has 81 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:38,160 Speaker 1: fatigue after a while. You can watch television shows series, 82 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 1: they run their course. I think the Lakers Lebron people 83 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 1: are just looking for something new more than the politics. 84 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 1: That's why the ratings are up. The league was over 85 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 1: Lebron mostly, Colin. I know you've already addressed Ryan Tannehill 86 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:00,280 Speaker 1: saying he's not going to help develop Malik Willow, who 87 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 1: was drafted in the third round by the Titans. Anything 88 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 1: else you'd like to add? Why? Thank you for asking. Yes, 89 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 1: sometimes there's harsh truths in society and we don't like 90 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 1: to talk about him. It makes us think less of people. 91 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 1: But sometimes you've got to be selfish. I know, I 92 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 1: know it's terrible because our moms weren't and it sounds 93 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:25,479 Speaker 1: bad when you say it, but Tom Brady wanted to 94 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:29,479 Speaker 1: get Jimmy Garoppolo out of Foxborough and Aaron Rodgers was 95 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 1: deeply offended that the Packers would consider drafting another quarterback. 96 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 1: Why he was declining the truth is, if you look 97 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:39,920 Speaker 1: at great athletes, Michael Jordan, front and center could often 98 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 1: be very selfish. I don't care if it's entertainment, acting, football, basketball, 99 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:54,919 Speaker 1: whatever it is. Academics. Ryan Tannehill, for survival needs to 100 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 1: be a little selfish into Ryan Tannehill. He's a sneaky 101 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 1: thirty four years old. They just got rid of his 102 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:06,039 Speaker 1: star receiver. He lost a playoff game off a bye 103 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 1: as a number one seat at home, outdueled by young 104 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow. His career is wobbling and careening, and here 105 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 1: comes Malik Willis. I don't want to develop my air 106 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 1: apparent either in this instance and this season. Ryan Tannehill 107 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 1: needs to do what's best for Ryan Tannehill in his career. 108 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 1: Nobody wants to hear this, but sometimes you got to 109 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 1: take care of yourself first. Dear Colin, a lot of 110 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 1: people think you are obsessed about Lincoln Riley, USC's football coach. 111 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 1: What would you say to that. Lincoln Riley has trended 112 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 1: on the internet at least once a week for almost 113 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 1: six straight months. He left Oklahoma in late November, since 114 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: then trended at least once a week every week until today. 115 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 1: He is not trending because of me. He is trending 116 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 1: because Oklahoma fans in mass are constantly jabbing him and 117 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: ripping him and discussing him. You know what, USC fans 118 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 1: never do talk about Brent Venibles, Oklahoma's coach. They're not 119 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 1: threatened by him. They don't feel burned by him or 120 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 1: spurned by him. Los Angeles is busy. We have two 121 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 1: NFL teams, two NBA teams, we have two Major League teams. 122 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: We have fifteen to twenty to twenty five superstars or 123 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 1: stars in our market. We don't care about Oklahoma football 124 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:43,080 Speaker 1: or Brent Venibles. Oklahoma is showing you when somebody dumps you, 125 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 1: it hurts, You're in pain and you lash out. I'm 126 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 1: not obsessed about Lincoln Riley. He keeps trending week after 127 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 1: week because Oklahoma fans are going to the Internet and 128 00:08:57,080 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 1: poking and jabbing and taking swings at him. Brent Venable's 129 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:09,080 Speaker 1: never trends. Nobody cares about him. Oklahoma is still obsessed 130 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 1: about Lincoln Riley. The greatest compliment anybody can give you 131 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:20,319 Speaker 1: is still talking about you six months later when you're 132 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 1: out of their life. You mattered a lot. Dear Colin, 133 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 1: is there are trend in sports that's a little irritating, Yes, 134 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 1: and I'm seeing it again the NBA is spacing out 135 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 1: its playoff games, giving multiple days of rest in between games. 136 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 1: Forget about me, forget about the fans. I don't think 137 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 1: it's good for the athletes. You talk to baseball players. 138 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 1: If they play in a Sunday afternoon a playoff game, 139 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 1: even if they travel, they want to play by Tuesday. 140 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 1: They like the bat in cage, they like the rhythm, 141 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 1: they like the get their workouts in NBA players. 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He is a 186 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:39,440 Speaker 1: regular contributor. We have so many things to discuss. He's 187 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 1: my friend Matt Moseley. So uh, we'll get to the 188 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:49,080 Speaker 1: Cowboys draft in a second. You live in Big twelve country, 189 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 1: so you really understand the pulse of that conference, and 190 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 1: you understand Sooner fans and Longhorn fans, and you have 191 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 1: an cyclopedic knowledge of all things Lubbock, which I value greatly. 192 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:08,840 Speaker 1: So I said this in my rant to start this podcast. 193 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 1: I said, there's a reason Lincoln Riley has trended at 194 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:18,079 Speaker 1: least once a week every week since he left, because 195 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 1: when people are hurt, they lash out. You know who 196 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 1: hasn't trended one time since that, Brent Venibles, and that 197 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:30,359 Speaker 1: because nobody here gives a shit about Oklahoma football in California. 198 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:33,959 Speaker 1: And I think a lot of people think I'm obsessed 199 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:37,599 Speaker 1: with Lincoln Riley. I'm obsessed with those who are obsessed. 200 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 1: Californians are a little self absorbed. We have Mediterranean weather, 201 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:44,679 Speaker 1: the fifth biggest economy in the world. We don't really 202 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 1: care about anybody else but ourselves. We really don't care 203 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:51,439 Speaker 1: about the Big twelve or Oklahoma football. And I know 204 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 1: that comes off as obnoxious, but you know, you're from Texas, 205 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 1: you guys, you know you have your own culture. You 206 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 1: feel you're very important too. And so this whole Lincoln 207 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 1: Riley thing, why can't Sooner fans? My takeaway is they're pissed, 208 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:12,559 Speaker 1: they were dubbed, they're hurt, and they're lashing out. Is 209 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 1: isn't that it? Yeah, I do think they're hurt. I 210 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 1: also think that Lincoln is, you know, one thing, one 211 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 1: misstep he's made. And I know in your mind it 212 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 1: seems like there are no missteps. But I think the 213 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 1: Players Tribune thing was a misstep. It's it's kind of 214 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 1: like in Texas and him. You know, Jimbo, did you 215 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 1: hear him when they when they got the best recruiting 216 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 1: class in the country, He got real defensive. You have 217 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: to lean into these things. Yes, if if Texas, people 218 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 1: in this part of the country where I am I'm 219 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 1: in Dallas, but people in Oklahoma and everywhere, if they 220 00:14:56,160 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 1: are truly going to think of this guy as the phillin, 221 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 1: he sort of needs to embrace that. And I think 222 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 1: what he's dealing with, part of him wants to embrace it, 223 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 1: and part of him wants to keep a friendship with 224 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 1: Bob Stoops and he and he thinks he kind of 225 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 1: let people down, and so he's trying to play it 226 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 1: both ways and you can't you can't win doing that. 227 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 1: Like he's got to own it. And if this pit kid, 228 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 1: I mean, that became a huge story, not because in 229 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 1: the country think about that, this kid won the Bulletin 230 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 1: and Cough Award, and I bet Two or three weeks ago, 231 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 1: most of the country didn't know who this guy was 232 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 1: or knew just a little bit about him. And now 233 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 1: he's a huge story because his coach thinks Lincoln's been 234 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 1: tampering and everything, and Lincoln's gotta Lincoln's gotta either own 235 00:15:57,520 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 1: it or or you know not. But if he keeps 236 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 1: trying to play sort of both sides of this, I 237 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 1: think it's gonna it won't be good for him. But 238 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 1: I get what. I get the reason why everybody out 239 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 1: there is excited about him because it's been so long since, 240 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 1: like it's been a while since USC has just sort 241 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 1: of had this. We have what we think is the 242 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 1: best coach, and everything's we're gonna run this conference again. 243 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 1: And there's a feeling at Oklahoma that's interesting what you 244 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 1: said about Venables. I think they love him, But again 245 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 1: it's Venables get you back to Stoops and get you 246 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 1: back to Switzer and get you back. These programs. You 247 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 1: see it a lot in college basketball. They can't function. 248 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 1: It's this incestuous relationship like can't hire outside, UNC can't 249 00:16:55,400 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 1: hire outside, And so Oklahoma had this. I mean Stoops 250 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:04,399 Speaker 1: was outside, by the way, but Stoops became a huge 251 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:07,920 Speaker 1: member of the family. So there's a lot going on. 252 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 1: But in and I think Lincoln can win this thing 253 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 1: if he just kind of does his own thing. But 254 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 1: when he acknowledges and tries to fix it with the 255 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 1: player's tribune stories, I think it. I think it takes 256 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 1: away from what he could be doing, which is kind 257 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 1: of what you're doing, is just embracing all this and 258 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:34,880 Speaker 1: embracing the hate. Like I like it. I think it's funny. Yeah, 259 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 1: and you've been at a perch, you've been at a 260 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:41,920 Speaker 1: place enough where you can handle it, and you would 261 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:44,879 Speaker 1: think Lincoln could. I mean, he's been at a huge 262 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 1: blue blood program, but I think there's still some Muleshoe 263 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 1: Texas in him that he's having trouble embracing being hated. 264 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:58,920 Speaker 1: And I mean, I you know you you love it. 265 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 1: I love it, Oh God, I love it. I can't. 266 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:06,920 Speaker 1: And there is nothing more fun than annoying trolls, ignoring 267 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 1: or acknowledging them, and poking them in the ribs. It's 268 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:13,920 Speaker 1: the best part of my business outside of creating new, 269 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:17,640 Speaker 1: fresh fun content, is poking your haters in the ribs. 270 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:20,879 Speaker 1: It's the very best thing. I love. The best thing 271 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 1: for you is that some of the people who supposedly 272 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 1: your haters still can't quite get over you in I'm 273 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 1: at Baker or and some other people, and they kind 274 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 1: of keep like they can't learn what kind of Lincoln 275 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:38,440 Speaker 1: needs to learn, which is to you just got to 276 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 1: kind of ignore it and move on. But they they can't, 277 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 1: They can't quite do it because they still somehow want 278 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 1: to maybe either change your mind or change the people 279 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 1: who love your show's mind, and that's hard to do, 280 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 1: very astute. So you know, I've I've never felt the 281 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 1: Cowboys are poorly run, but this draft was interesting. I 282 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:08,399 Speaker 1: always felt they were a little odd and insular, but 283 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 1: they had Cavan Thibadeau as their best player in the draft. 284 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:17,680 Speaker 1: That is fine. Jerry showed his draft card, but I 285 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 1: thought that move was kind of desperate and weird. And 286 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:24,359 Speaker 1: one of the things I've always respected about New York media, 287 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:30,680 Speaker 1: LA Media and Dallas media and Chicago big city media. 288 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:34,680 Speaker 1: You're willing to hammer on local teams and local personalities. 289 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 1: Dale Hansen was known for that for years. Is that 290 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 1: I heard multiple clips from Dallas media Matt Hammer in 291 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 1: that first pick. So take me, take me to the 292 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 1: ground floor of this thing. It looked weird. They were 293 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:54,879 Speaker 1: the most penalized offensive line, they drafted the most penalized 294 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:58,959 Speaker 1: offensive lineman. It felt like, from an outside perspective, they 295 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:01,159 Speaker 1: got they got picked in the butt a little bit 296 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:04,720 Speaker 1: by the locals. Yeah, I think that did happen. And 297 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 1: what's happened in the local media, and it happened to 298 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:10,119 Speaker 1: those other places you mentioned too, is and it's a 299 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 1: little ridiculous. We now have these armchair scouts and they 300 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 1: watch tons of film, and I mean, I think you 301 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:21,200 Speaker 1: and I have the same thought. It's like, have you 302 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 1: know Coselle or have somebody sort of do that for you. 303 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 1: Let's not try to pretend that we know all this. 304 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 1: What's happened at least in Dallas, maybe some other cities too. 305 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 1: I'm sure it's happening everywhere. Is that everybody's become an expert. 306 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:39,200 Speaker 1: And interestingly, with this player, suddenly all these people that 307 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:42,200 Speaker 1: watch all this film and sort of claim now to 308 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:45,880 Speaker 1: be amateur scouts had this guy with like a third 309 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 1: round grade. And what happens is the listeners and everybody 310 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:52,920 Speaker 1: sort of buy into that, Oh my gosh, this guy 311 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:54,639 Speaker 1: I listened to all the time, or listen to his 312 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:57,680 Speaker 1: podcast or read had him as a third round grade. 313 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 1: The one thing I'll say on the Cowboys behalf. I mean, 314 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:03,639 Speaker 1: it is kind of funny. I'm willing to beat up 315 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 1: Jerry for a lot of things we but we sort 316 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 1: of like give Belichick, and a lot of it is 317 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:10,960 Speaker 1: because of what he's done. We always give him the 318 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 1: benefit of the doubt. It's like, well, yeah, he picked 319 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:16,159 Speaker 1: that guy two rounds earlier than everybody thought, or he 320 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:18,440 Speaker 1: picked this guy away earlier. I mean, the first two 321 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:21,639 Speaker 1: picks for the Patriots came about two rounds earlier than 322 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 1: everybody thought when Belichick sort of but one of those 323 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,680 Speaker 1: was a Baylor guy. My alma modern number fifty in 324 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:32,400 Speaker 1: the draft was Taekwon Thornton. But it's fascinating. But when 325 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 1: the Cowboys, of course, have conviction about a player, now 326 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:39,160 Speaker 1: here's Here's what I've gathered though, from talking to other 327 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:44,200 Speaker 1: things that at least a little bit pushback against everybody 328 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 1: hammering on his pick. The Cowboys were not alone. And 329 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 1: maybe the Cowboys were not alone in overvaluing this guy, 330 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 1: but I didn't. Sometimes I go around the league and 331 00:21:57,160 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 1: talk to some scouts and everything, and they'll immediately like 332 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:02,680 Speaker 1: make fun of the Cowboys. This guy's an injury, and 333 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:05,399 Speaker 1: it's it's funny how how much these guys know. Some 334 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:08,680 Speaker 1: of these scouts they'll go years ago, Cowboys took a 335 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 1: third round picks, their first pick of the draft. It 336 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:14,160 Speaker 1: was got named Brewster from Ball State. Some guys said, 337 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 1: he'll get hurt immediately, and I said, well, he never 338 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 1: missed a game in college. What do you mean, this 339 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,160 Speaker 1: guy's office tackle. He's never missed a game. He'll get 340 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 1: hurt immediately. And he went in the weight room and 341 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 1: popped a peck and he never played it down For 342 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 1: the Cowboys. He was their first round pick that year. 343 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 1: It's it's remarkable the medicals they know and what they 344 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 1: figure out. What the Cowboys have decided, and I sort 345 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:42,399 Speaker 1: of halfway applaud them for this. They think this is 346 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 1: Tyron Tyrone Smith's replacement and that he could be a 347 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:51,719 Speaker 1: great tackle, even though he's not a great replacement at 348 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 1: left guard right now, which is what they need. They 349 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:56,680 Speaker 1: need somebody to replace Connor Williams, and they're getting a 350 00:22:56,760 --> 00:23:00,640 Speaker 1: guy that is heavily penalized like Connor Williams. But their 351 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:05,160 Speaker 1: vision of this guy is a long time left tackle 352 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 1: who has rare trade for his size, can do things 353 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:15,160 Speaker 1: in bending and getting in pass for you know, pass blocking, 354 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:19,119 Speaker 1: can do like remarkable things like they think that's what 355 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 1: he's going to become. So they're basically saying, we'll bite 356 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 1: the bullet for a year or two because we think 357 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:29,920 Speaker 1: this guy could be a great left tackle. You know, 358 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 1: I see something though. The last three years, the Jones 359 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:38,879 Speaker 1: family has had some personal drama. The Cowboy organizations had 360 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:43,159 Speaker 1: a couple ugly stories within it, and in that same period, 361 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:45,720 Speaker 1: the last two years, they have taken a half a 362 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 1: dozen players Matt in drafts with massive red character flags. 363 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 1: I've been told this by other teams. This is what 364 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 1: would worry me is that are they comfortable with a 365 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:01,360 Speaker 1: level of dysfunction as they're living through it in their 366 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:05,399 Speaker 1: own business. I'm serious that I know, like I know 367 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:10,400 Speaker 1: three or four front offices really really well in the NFL, 368 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 1: and then I have six or seven others. I'm reasonably 369 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 1: close to that. I talked to the GM or at 370 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:21,160 Speaker 1: the scouting director, and the overriding theme on the Cowboys 371 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 1: last two to three drafts is, man, they're taking some 372 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,639 Speaker 1: guys with character stuff, and then I look at the 373 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:32,240 Speaker 1: organization and the family, and I'm like, yeah, there's a 374 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 1: lot of drama all around it, and I think to myself, 375 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 1: are they getting a little too comfortable with it? Is 376 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:41,200 Speaker 1: that a fair criticism or have they've been doing that 377 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:44,439 Speaker 1: for twenty years since you covered them? Yeah, They've been 378 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:49,200 Speaker 1: doing it for twenty years, and I don't think it's changed. 379 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:54,440 Speaker 1: I think Jerry's always loved the thought of He felt 380 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:57,920 Speaker 1: like people took a chance on him and he was 381 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:02,119 Speaker 1: at some tough places in life, and he's always loved like, 382 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:06,119 Speaker 1: if you can get either an injury risk or a 383 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:11,960 Speaker 1: character risk for tremendous value, He's all about it. This 384 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 1: is a weird one, though, because they have a guy 385 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 1: that was involved in a drive by shooting death murder 386 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 1: that's a second round pick from last year. And it's 387 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:27,639 Speaker 1: almost like Jerry's just defying everybody. I know, you're all 388 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 1: looking at me. And now the case against the old 389 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:35,920 Speaker 1: miss defensive end that they took Sam Williams was thrown out, yes, 390 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:40,480 Speaker 1: but still red flags. There's a reason he was there. 391 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 1: And I don't think like Randy Gregory may turn out 392 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 1: to be I mean, he's already shown he was a 393 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 1: first round caliber player, but he had all these issues 394 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:53,919 Speaker 1: and they've dealt with all that and then they end 395 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 1: up losing him. Anyway, Jerry can't help himself. He loves 396 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 1: the thought and maybe it's the old oil and gas 397 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 1: part of him. He loves the thought of just out 398 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 1: foxing people. Yeah, he and it all goes back to 399 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 1: Charles Haley. It goes back to taking a huge locker 400 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:19,920 Speaker 1: room issue from San Francisco and that helped them win 401 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 1: you know, a couple more super Bowls, or maybe three 402 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:28,359 Speaker 1: of them. But he took someone else's problem and that 403 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 1: guy was tremendous for the Cowboys. And as an oil person, 404 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,960 Speaker 1: you know, an oil and gas guy, like he just 405 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:40,920 Speaker 1: doesn't remember the failures. He only remembers like the successes. 406 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:44,720 Speaker 1: And so that's a that's I think that's what he 407 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 1: always comes back to. Now. The family stuff that you're 408 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 1: bringing up is interesting. There. They've never really shied away 409 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 1: from family drama. The only thing different here is this 410 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 1: has just gotten a lot more public and uh so, 411 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,359 Speaker 1: I don't know. I think it could be a positive 412 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,879 Speaker 1: that they have more kids in the room now to 413 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:12,680 Speaker 1: make picks and help them. So Brian Rossillo came on 414 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,680 Speaker 1: my show today and he had an interesting stat on 415 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:19,720 Speaker 1: usage rate, and it's that basically, if your team is 416 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,400 Speaker 1: led by a player that leads the league in usage rate, 417 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,680 Speaker 1: you can't win your conference. Luca has the ball in 418 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:32,199 Speaker 1: his hands, you know, it feels like eighty five ninety 419 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:35,760 Speaker 1: percent of the time for the Mavericks. But what I 420 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 1: find fascinating about Dallas because they're gonna be on a 421 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 1: mission to find a number two like they did for 422 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 1: twenty years with Dirk. They were trying to find that 423 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:47,440 Speaker 1: number two. This is something I discussed this week. I 424 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:50,959 Speaker 1: don't understand. Dallas is in the middle of the country, 425 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 1: no state tax, beautiful women everywhere, well run, a very 426 00:27:55,200 --> 00:28:00,639 Speaker 1: pro athlete owner, and they struggle in the free agent market. 427 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 1: They do not Land. And my takeaway has always been 428 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:09,399 Speaker 1: is Dallas viewed as a football town by NBA players. 429 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 1: Is Mark Cuban such a celebrity that they think they 430 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:17,359 Speaker 1: would shrink They wouldn't get the publicity in Dallas. But 431 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,440 Speaker 1: if I was a free agent, I've always said Dallas 432 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:22,920 Speaker 1: would be top two on my list. I mean, I'm 433 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 1: literally no more than three hour flights, no state tax, 434 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 1: mild winters, great fans, winning culture. Mark Cuban loves players, 435 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 1: treat them like gold. One of the first guys to 436 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 1: have a team jet. Why can't they land free agents? 437 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 1: What is it? Well, I don't think part of it 438 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 1: is they haven't had like the ultimate recruiters as great 439 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 1: a player as Dirk was. I mean, it's not like 440 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:55,520 Speaker 1: he's just not wired like Lebron. He's not wired like 441 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 1: any of these guys Kauai, all these people that have 442 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:02,280 Speaker 1: put super teams together, you know, or tried to Katie. 443 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 1: That's interesting. He was the greatest player for this franchise 444 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 1: for many, many, many years. But and I don't know 445 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,680 Speaker 1: if this is the you know, his German side or 446 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 1: European side. His disposition was not to be jumping on 447 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,000 Speaker 1: one of these jets or kind of what they did 448 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,960 Speaker 1: to DeAndre Jordan that time. And and like you know, 449 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 1: people were trying to like the Clippers got into the 450 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 1: room with him and wouldn't let him out of the room, 451 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,200 Speaker 1: and he changed his mind and the MAVs lost him. 452 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:33,240 Speaker 1: Like Dirk would never in a million years try something 453 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 1: like that. Dirk was such a great player. He was like, 454 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,840 Speaker 1: if they want to come here, great and if they don't, great, 455 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:43,479 Speaker 1: And unfortunately, what Cuban made a critical error and he's 456 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 1: actually admitted to this is with that championship team, he 457 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,520 Speaker 1: didn't give him a chance to repeat. And people that 458 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,920 Speaker 1: are big Cuban, you know kiss ups, have defended him 459 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 1: on that. But the truth of the matter is, you know, 460 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:56,760 Speaker 1: he could have kept Hyson, Chandler and all these guys 461 00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 1: together and had another go at it. He got in 462 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,560 Speaker 1: this and that was back when like landing Dwight Howard 463 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,160 Speaker 1: would have been a big thing every year. Let's go 464 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 1: for the basics. And even though Dirk is just such 465 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 1: an incredible like franchise guy, if you really got Dirk 466 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:16,080 Speaker 1: to be honest, he would just tell you that Mark 467 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 1: was a little bit of a buffoon on that front, 468 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:22,600 Speaker 1: Like you finally put something together, and yet in your 469 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:27,280 Speaker 1: mind you're out seeking these huge players. Now, why don't 470 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 1: they come to Dallas. I think we underestimate, we overestimate, 471 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:36,720 Speaker 1: you know, the state income tax, the great stuff that 472 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:40,200 Speaker 1: Cuban does. I think Cuban did a great job at 473 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:44,000 Speaker 1: all that, But everybody does it now and they really 474 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:47,400 Speaker 1: don't care about this stuff, and it's it's mainly they 475 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 1: go to places where they desperately want to be around 476 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:56,120 Speaker 1: certain players, and while Dallas is a big market, it's 477 00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:59,960 Speaker 1: not it's it's like widely sort of considered by all 478 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,120 Speaker 1: these players. I don't think they think of it like that. 479 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,840 Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting. Mostly I've been looking for the 480 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,320 Speaker 1: answer for this question for ten years, and I think 481 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:14,200 Speaker 1: you tapped into it right there, is that the messenger 482 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,840 Speaker 1: was an international player who didn't have the right disposition. 483 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:23,640 Speaker 1: Is it possible that international players are not as comfortable 484 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:29,520 Speaker 1: recruiting our domestic players as our domestic players are, as 485 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:35,800 Speaker 1: Wade is, as Kobe was, as Chris paul Is Durant Steph. 486 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:40,440 Speaker 1: It's really interesting is that, you know, if Christian Pulisic 487 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:44,920 Speaker 1: Overseas was building a team, he wouldn't have the labyrinth 488 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:48,920 Speaker 1: of connections that an international player would have for Chelsea. 489 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 1: And I think you literally found the answer is that 490 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:59,240 Speaker 1: between Dirk's disposition. It's fascinating the super teams have often 491 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:03,360 Speaker 1: been led by a domestic player willing to get on 492 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:07,720 Speaker 1: the phone and recruit. Look at the super European players. 493 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:13,600 Speaker 1: Janis is not really wired to be out like recruiting 494 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:17,160 Speaker 1: like crazy. Dirk wasn't right, I don't. I think Luca's 495 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:21,560 Speaker 1: like a fine being a superstar and embraces that. And 496 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,560 Speaker 1: it's not like he's running from the spotlight. But I 497 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:29,000 Speaker 1: promise you he's It's gonna be easier to for somebody 498 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 1: to try to recruit him than it is for him 499 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:35,480 Speaker 1: to go after somebody. That's not really the way he's wired. 500 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,520 Speaker 1: I mean, he couldn't even get his hero was like 501 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:42,920 Speaker 1: Droggit and he couldn't even bring Druggish to town. Who's 502 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:50,400 Speaker 1: like thirty eight. It's funny. I think you literally solved 503 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:54,880 Speaker 1: a damn riddle I've been pursuing for a decade. I 504 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:56,760 Speaker 1: love it. You know who else solved one of these 505 00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,880 Speaker 1: so years and years ago? I hear was another NBA 506 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:05,560 Speaker 1: riddle I could never figure out. During the Jerry Sloan, 507 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:09,160 Speaker 1: John Stockton, Karl Malone years, like twelve years, they had 508 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,560 Speaker 1: the best home record and they were always five hundred 509 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:16,840 Speaker 1: on the road, and I'm like, I don't get And 510 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:21,000 Speaker 1: then John Ireland, the voice of the Lakers, came up 511 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:23,600 Speaker 1: with an idea once and it literally he nailed it. 512 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:27,800 Speaker 1: He said Sloan was a chippy player, you know that, Matt, 513 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:33,760 Speaker 1: and that the Jazz played such a chippy, aggressive style 514 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:38,000 Speaker 1: that on the road they didn't get those swing calls 515 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:42,920 Speaker 1: and those were fouls. And at home, referees are willing 516 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,560 Speaker 1: because they don't want to hear the fans, the proximity 517 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,040 Speaker 1: to their officials. They don't want to hear the ugliness 518 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,200 Speaker 1: for two and a half hours, as you call foul 519 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:53,680 Speaker 1: after foul after foul on Brian Russell, John Stockton, Karl Malone. 520 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,400 Speaker 1: And he said this, Jerry Sloan was a chippy player. 521 00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,560 Speaker 1: They were a chippy team and at home you got 522 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,040 Speaker 1: those that you got those seven or eight calls, and 523 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:05,720 Speaker 1: on the road you didn't. And it was like for 524 00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,279 Speaker 1: twelve years they were like the second best team in 525 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,520 Speaker 1: the league and they always had an average road record. 526 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,240 Speaker 1: And he solved a riddle. You guys, that solved riddles. 527 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,239 Speaker 1: That's why that's why I hired you. Mostly. I love 528 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:22,560 Speaker 1: riddle solvers. I really do. Make sure to check out 529 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:26,239 Speaker 1: The Draymond Green Show. I brought Draymond Green into the 530 00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,080 Speaker 1: volume because one of the more entertaining voices in sports. 531 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:33,440 Speaker 1: Unique perspective understands behind the rope also chops up with 532 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:37,319 Speaker 1: guests like Gary Peyton, Zach Levine, Tracy McGrady. Make sure 533 00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:41,640 Speaker 1: download the Draymond Green Show. Wherever you get your podcasts 534 00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:48,399 Speaker 1: only on the Volume podcast network. So I always feel 535 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:52,600 Speaker 1: like the media's in two camps, mostly old school new school. 536 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,360 Speaker 1: And I talked about this earlier before I brought you on. 537 00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,520 Speaker 1: I'm much more fascinated with what's going to happen tomorrow 538 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,000 Speaker 1: than what happened yesterday. I find you to be an 539 00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:06,600 Speaker 1: old school guy that is pivoting very well to news school, 540 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,759 Speaker 1: and not a lot of guys with twenty plus years 541 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:15,360 Speaker 1: of media skin in the game are. So give me 542 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:19,640 Speaker 1: your thought on what's happening now to the media in America. Wow, 543 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:23,319 Speaker 1: I and I appreciate you saying that I was looked at. 544 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,440 Speaker 1: It's funny how things have even changed this in the 545 00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:30,800 Speaker 1: past fifteen years. I left a newspaper beat or with 546 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:34,640 Speaker 1: the Cowboy. People thought I was crazy to do this, 547 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:38,279 Speaker 1: like NFL blog. I was the first ever. Somebody made 548 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,719 Speaker 1: this joke. The other day there was one person kind 549 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,480 Speaker 1: of like, what the guy does it to PFT, you know, 550 00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,480 Speaker 1: covering all that. I covered the entire NFL. And I 551 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:48,000 Speaker 1: looked up about a year and a half later and 552 00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:51,200 Speaker 1: there were thirty two of us, or a couple of 553 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,480 Speaker 1: years later, because then we had like NFC, we had 554 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:57,320 Speaker 1: the divisional blogs and all. But when I left the 555 00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,320 Speaker 1: newspaper business, and some of these people are still newspaper business. 556 00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:02,840 Speaker 1: And I didn't really leave it. I was I just 557 00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:06,000 Speaker 1: jumped into the Dallas News dot com the website, and 558 00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:09,080 Speaker 1: they just thought I was insane. How do you How 559 00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:11,440 Speaker 1: do you deal with not being in a newspaper every day? 560 00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:15,440 Speaker 1: And it just felt like the Internet was going to 561 00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:19,759 Speaker 1: be huge, and so you just sort of embrace kind 562 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:23,760 Speaker 1: of what's coming next. And now I have a fascination 563 00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,640 Speaker 1: with the same thing you kind of are loving, is 564 00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:30,759 Speaker 1: starting something and building something, and even stuff that we're 565 00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:35,000 Speaker 1: maybe uncomfortable doing, like raising funding and doing all the 566 00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,160 Speaker 1: I mean, that's not something I ever got into business 567 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,560 Speaker 1: or went to school to learn how to do, but 568 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,960 Speaker 1: you just sort of do it. So I do think 569 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,879 Speaker 1: it's fun I think there's some old sensibilities and old things. 570 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,560 Speaker 1: I think, you know, you can still use things that 571 00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:53,760 Speaker 1: we came up knowing, you know, but I do. It's funny. 572 00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:55,600 Speaker 1: I was on the radio today and I was thinking, 573 00:36:56,160 --> 00:37:00,080 Speaker 1: some of what I'm doing on the radio fills like 574 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:06,200 Speaker 1: so old school and so these conversations and it's funny 575 00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:09,920 Speaker 1: who like you're drawn to Roussillo and Scott Vanpel had 576 00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,680 Speaker 1: me on before you really even started having me on, 577 00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,760 Speaker 1: and and we just so it's just it's it's just interesting, 578 00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:19,920 Speaker 1: you know, the different personalities we're all drawn to and everything. 579 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:24,879 Speaker 1: But I find that the next big I mean, every 580 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:28,480 Speaker 1: it's happening for our very eyes. And what you've been 581 00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:32,640 Speaker 1: good at doing is identifying these personalities. And I think 582 00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:37,080 Speaker 1: probably it took you two seconds to realize, Okay, Draymond Green, 583 00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:41,680 Speaker 1: and then it's like wildfire. It seems like every night 584 00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:46,080 Speaker 1: something huge happens with this guy on the court, and 585 00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,520 Speaker 1: then next thing you know, I mean, it's like it's 586 00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,359 Speaker 1: too good to be true, Like he's on a mic 587 00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:56,319 Speaker 1: doing a podcast for you. So the the what you've 588 00:37:56,360 --> 00:38:00,239 Speaker 1: embraced is something that most of us have resisted, the 589 00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:04,719 Speaker 1: athlete getting control of things. And I think his old 590 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:09,600 Speaker 1: school media. We want the control and we hate losing 591 00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:13,560 Speaker 1: any of that, and we hate giving up scoops or sharing, 592 00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:15,920 Speaker 1: Like we still think, like what if we had a 593 00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:17,920 Speaker 1: scoop that ended up in the newspaper the next day. 594 00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:22,160 Speaker 1: Well that's old that's so old thinking. But that's our background. 595 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,640 Speaker 1: And so what you've done, And what I hope to 596 00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:28,719 Speaker 1: do is sort of realize, Okay, these players are heading 597 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,319 Speaker 1: this way and they're going to cut us out at 598 00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:33,200 Speaker 1: some point, They're just gonna cut us all the way out. 599 00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:37,160 Speaker 1: How do we stay relevant? And you stay relevant by 600 00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:41,040 Speaker 1: providing them platforms. So I think there was a moment 601 00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:44,600 Speaker 1: this week where JJ Reddick called out a broadcaster kind 602 00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:48,000 Speaker 1: of an old school guy, Chris Russo, and Russo loves baseball, 603 00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,440 Speaker 1: very old school, very nice guy. Reportedly don't know him. 604 00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,759 Speaker 1: In fact, I called a media critic in New York, 605 00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:57,000 Speaker 1: Andrew Marshan, just to ask about him as a human being, 606 00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:58,440 Speaker 1: because I was going to have an opinion today and 607 00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:00,439 Speaker 1: I was like, I don't really know him, a fair 608 00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:04,880 Speaker 1: opinion about him, you know, about Chris. And it was 609 00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,840 Speaker 1: interesting because Reddick was really bothered by the fact that 610 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:12,520 Speaker 1: kind of Russo, you know, didn't like Draymond's personality. And 611 00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:15,360 Speaker 1: I do find in the media, Matt, I find this, 612 00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,640 Speaker 1: as I said earlier to you, there's old school guys 613 00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:20,759 Speaker 1: and new school guys. And I do find a lot 614 00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,279 Speaker 1: of the old school guys love their baseball and hate 615 00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:27,680 Speaker 1: the current NBA. You and I love the NBA. I 616 00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:31,560 Speaker 1: love the players. I love their opinions. I'm not bothered 617 00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:35,480 Speaker 1: by the politics. Some people are. That's fine. But when 618 00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:39,120 Speaker 1: I watched the interaction between that host and JJ Reddick, 619 00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,880 Speaker 1: it was it was almost a political statement by one 620 00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:46,080 Speaker 1: host and JJ Reddick. It was one host, you know, 621 00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:50,600 Speaker 1: embracing the current NBA. You've embraced it, you like it. 622 00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,399 Speaker 1: I like it. But I know a lot of people 623 00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,960 Speaker 1: in my industry, my age, that are totally turned off 624 00:39:57,080 --> 00:40:02,000 Speaker 1: by basketball players. What are you make of it? Well, 625 00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:06,160 Speaker 1: I think people were especially turned off, and this became 626 00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:11,160 Speaker 1: very political with everything that happened, with the kneeling and 627 00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:14,920 Speaker 1: all of that, and again it's it's too bad that 628 00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:17,839 Speaker 1: politicians and that's what they do, you know, they use 629 00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:21,640 Speaker 1: sports to right drive us all apart and everything. And 630 00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,200 Speaker 1: I just don't I'm kind of like you, I don't 631 00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:26,640 Speaker 1: get caught up in all of that. I mean, I'm 632 00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,239 Speaker 1: kind of like, well, they have the right to say 633 00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,000 Speaker 1: anything they want, but like, how can you not like 634 00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:36,640 Speaker 1: these enormous personalities, and like what happens on Twitter and 635 00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:40,040 Speaker 1: what happens with you know, kde sort of defending himself 636 00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,960 Speaker 1: and these people now challenging his legacy at all. This 637 00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,840 Speaker 1: like it's the biggest soap opera going. In fact, the 638 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,239 Speaker 1: NFL has had to kind of try to pivot. In 639 00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:51,200 Speaker 1: the NFL for so long just owned everything. They owned 640 00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:53,400 Speaker 1: the season, they own, the off season everything. And then 641 00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:55,120 Speaker 1: the NBA said, you know what, we I think we're 642 00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:56,520 Speaker 1: gonna go ahead and take it over this off season. 643 00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:59,440 Speaker 1: Think about we're only ten years removed from you and 644 00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:01,279 Speaker 1: I being on the radio all the time, or twenty 645 00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:04,960 Speaker 1: years removed or whatever from the Hot Stove League being everything, 646 00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:07,880 Speaker 1: and in one like lockout moment or whatever it was, 647 00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:12,400 Speaker 1: they just lost it. They lost everything. Like the Rangers 648 00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:16,680 Speaker 1: spent a half a billion dollars in a day or 649 00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:20,759 Speaker 1: like two days and got Seeger and Simeon and it 650 00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:24,040 Speaker 1: was like a one day story nationally. I mean that's 651 00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,840 Speaker 1: a one as a one day story. Here it was 652 00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:30,080 Speaker 1: a little bigger deal. But but you know, the NBA, 653 00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:35,360 Speaker 1: I just don't know. I think to have an anti 654 00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:39,080 Speaker 1: NBA stance, And again I don't get into it's not 655 00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:42,240 Speaker 1: even fair. I'm like you, I've been on with Russo 656 00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:45,160 Speaker 1: and and all that, and I appreciate what they've done, 657 00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,960 Speaker 1: but I just think a young guy, like what you 658 00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,960 Speaker 1: just open yourself up. If you start saying, well, I 659 00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:55,080 Speaker 1: like the old days of Wilt Well ding ding ding 660 00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,680 Speaker 1: ding ding, the Twitter mob will start coming after you. 661 00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,520 Speaker 1: I don't know if you meant anything, you know, by 662 00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:02,800 Speaker 1: any of that. I don't really jump to any of 663 00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:07,280 Speaker 1: those conclusions, like if that's the era the guy liked, 664 00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:09,960 Speaker 1: then that's okay. He likes, it's okay, and I'm not 665 00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:12,080 Speaker 1: here to convince him and go I don't like your 666 00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:14,920 Speaker 1: sensibilities or I don't like the undertone. Don't is there 667 00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,920 Speaker 1: an undertone saying you like Will Chamberlain. I don't understand that. 668 00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:23,160 Speaker 1: But anyway, again, I should say I just kind of 669 00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:26,439 Speaker 1: have barely. I didn't really get down and dirty into 670 00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:29,040 Speaker 1: that whole thing, but I did see kind of the 671 00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:32,239 Speaker 1: back and forth in Yeah, I will say this. I 672 00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,920 Speaker 1: said this. The NBA ratings are spiking during the playoffs. 673 00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:37,960 Speaker 1: I think one, there's some really good new young players. 674 00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:40,200 Speaker 1: The games have been fun this series. The first round 675 00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:42,839 Speaker 1: was great, a lot of competitive games, I do think, 676 00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:46,520 Speaker 1: And they're doing this without Lebron James, and I said 677 00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:49,399 Speaker 1: there were two reasons in my opinion, Matt. Number one, 678 00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:52,480 Speaker 1: I do think there are lots of people who want 679 00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:57,000 Speaker 1: their sports on one table and their social issues on another. 680 00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:01,040 Speaker 1: Fair or not, Lebron brings social issues into pro basketball, 681 00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:03,200 Speaker 1: and we saw it with Kaepernick. Not everybody loves it. 682 00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:06,560 Speaker 1: You're gonna turn off, you know, fifteen twenty percent of 683 00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:08,080 Speaker 1: the fans are just going to turn the TV off. 684 00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:11,840 Speaker 1: The second thing is there's a Lebron fatigue. He's everywhere 685 00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:17,000 Speaker 1: for twenty years. We're kind of over him. That's my takeaway. 686 00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:19,120 Speaker 1: And why the ratings are up. I mean, God, in Dallas, 687 00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:21,839 Speaker 1: there's so much love for this team and this group 688 00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:25,440 Speaker 1: of players. That's my take on the spike in ratings is, 689 00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:28,480 Speaker 1: you know, most of the good players are in it. 690 00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:32,120 Speaker 1: We like them. They're like a bowl. Brooklyn was a 691 00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,440 Speaker 1: little bit of a villain. Now I guess Draymond's a 692 00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:38,279 Speaker 1: little bit of a villain. But I do think it's 693 00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:42,680 Speaker 1: a really great moment for the NBA when Lebron's not 694 00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:46,239 Speaker 1: in the playoffs and the ratings are spiking. I think 695 00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:48,600 Speaker 1: that's social how strong the league is. That's my take. Well, 696 00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:50,719 Speaker 1: it's the most part. The people that say they don't 697 00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:53,360 Speaker 1: watch the NBA because of the political takes weren't watching 698 00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:56,400 Speaker 1: the NBA already. They're just sort of seeing what's reported 699 00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:58,960 Speaker 1: and so I don't even get into all that. But 700 00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:03,279 Speaker 1: like John Morant, there's something amazing that happens for a 701 00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:06,879 Speaker 1: franchise in the city when you get a new superstar. 702 00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:11,480 Speaker 1: And for the Mavericks and the Lakers and some of 703 00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:15,000 Speaker 1: those teams, we were spoiled because we had a superstar 704 00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:18,000 Speaker 1: for like fifteen years or nineteen or twenty years in 705 00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:22,280 Speaker 1: the case of Kobe and Dirk. When a place like Memphis, 706 00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:25,480 Speaker 1: which is not a big market and they've been the 707 00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:27,360 Speaker 1: grit and grind and all that stuff, and it was 708 00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:29,600 Speaker 1: an interesting thing they had Connelly. But I mean, it's 709 00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:32,600 Speaker 1: not like we stopped down, Oh my gosh, Memphis is playing. 710 00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:36,680 Speaker 1: But what happens is there are certain stars that just 711 00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:42,239 Speaker 1: sort of transcend everything. And when you watch John Morant play, 712 00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:45,440 Speaker 1: you see something that takes you back to such a 713 00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:52,800 Speaker 1: there's a level of athleticism and power and that's just 714 00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:57,560 Speaker 1: unlike anything we've seen in a while. Like Luca has 715 00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:02,800 Speaker 1: an international European an unbelievable game and so but but 716 00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:05,120 Speaker 1: you know, the doubt people of Dallas have fallen in 717 00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:08,120 Speaker 1: love with him. Jab is just an interesting deal. It's 718 00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:12,399 Speaker 1: like this guy who's shown up and he doesn't feel 719 00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:14,440 Speaker 1: like he has to pay his dues to anybody. That's 720 00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:17,000 Speaker 1: why he's barking at the end of the game, right 721 00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:19,920 Speaker 1: in Steph's face. Steph paid his due. Steph was the 722 00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:21,920 Speaker 1: greatest shooter ever. But I mean he had kind of 723 00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:23,919 Speaker 1: went through some things that had to kind of grow 724 00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:26,640 Speaker 1: to that. And John Maritt has arrived on the scene 725 00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:29,239 Speaker 1: and he's like, I'll just duck on anybody's head, and 726 00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:33,840 Speaker 1: I if you can, like ignore that, I don't get it. 727 00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:36,640 Speaker 1: Like if anybody that says they don't like the NBA 728 00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:40,000 Speaker 1: they made that decision like ten or fifteen years ago, 729 00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:44,239 Speaker 1: it's not to me. It's not because too much of 730 00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:47,319 Speaker 1: all the politics. Those people, a lot of those people 731 00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:50,200 Speaker 1: were saying, I don't watch because politics were already not watching. 732 00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:55,840 Speaker 1: Matt Mosley, this was perfect. Thirty two minutes of greatness. 733 00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:01,239 Speaker 1: Co host Doomsday podcast with Worder. How's word or doing? 734 00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:05,880 Speaker 1: How's Edward or doing? You know? Um, he's miserable, No, 735 00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:09,160 Speaker 1: he's he's he's fine, he's fine. He's he's just got 736 00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:12,160 Speaker 1: to wake up every day and find out what what 737 00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:14,960 Speaker 1: what do I need to be upset about? But he's 738 00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:19,320 Speaker 1: got grandchildren, and um, he's got a little place, a 739 00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:22,160 Speaker 1: little in Colorado that he goes to which just kind 740 00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:25,719 Speaker 1: of from and oh he does. He's a he's a 741 00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:29,200 Speaker 1: he's a great guy. And um, hey, where's your little 742 00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:31,359 Speaker 1: secret place? Where do you take the misses? Where's your 743 00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:35,440 Speaker 1: little hiding place, your love nest? Where is it? I 744 00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:42,080 Speaker 1: don't usually share it? Um, so we we in the summers. 745 00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:44,360 Speaker 1: We have a place in Florida, and I think you 746 00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:46,359 Speaker 1: and I have had a conversations when I'm coming back 747 00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:51,840 Speaker 1: from there. But unfortunately Sean Payton and and Jason Witten 748 00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,680 Speaker 1: and Tony Romo found out where we were and they've 749 00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:58,040 Speaker 1: sort of ruined it. Uh, Jerry, because it's become a 750 00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:01,040 Speaker 1: little bit too popular. But there's a place called Seaside, Florida, 751 00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:03,759 Speaker 1: and that's already and you'll get you know, get away. 752 00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:07,680 Speaker 1: And that's where everybody from the South goes. And so 753 00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:10,720 Speaker 1: that's the only issue is you see all your neighbors. 754 00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:14,719 Speaker 1: You go to the peach and you see Jerry. Yeah, yeah, 755 00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:18,840 Speaker 1: Jerry's hanging out there. Oh boy. Um all right, mostly 756 00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:20,839 Speaker 1: that was really really good. I'm going to Italy by 757 00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:27,480 Speaker 1: the way tomorrow. Really you're doing over there? No, I'm not. No, 758 00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:32,719 Speaker 1: I'm not Florence Rome. Uh. My wife, she is locked in. 759 00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:36,080 Speaker 1: She just basically said, listen, next ten years, ten trips 760 00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:40,040 Speaker 1: to Europe. And I said, well, you know, I gotta 761 00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:42,839 Speaker 1: get this one right. I can't mess this one up. 762 00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:45,279 Speaker 1: So I do what my wife says. She runs the house, 763 00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:47,400 Speaker 1: she runs everything. So I said, okay, let's go. So 764 00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:50,719 Speaker 1: this is our first trip, oh man to Okay, well 765 00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:53,359 Speaker 1: I've done I've done that a few times, a couple 766 00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:58,320 Speaker 1: of times. And what's your favorite place in Italy? I 767 00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:00,600 Speaker 1: studied abroad over there by the way back in the 768 00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:05,759 Speaker 1: day at Baylor Um and me roam just for the 769 00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,440 Speaker 1: history of it in all. But I mean, there's some 770 00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:12,879 Speaker 1: offshoots that you'll love. You gotta see Verona, you gotta 771 00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,960 Speaker 1: see Sienna, you gotta see some there's some different things there. 772 00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:21,520 Speaker 1: But Florence just has a there's there's just something the 773 00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:24,239 Speaker 1: romance and for you and your wife, if that's kind 774 00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:28,320 Speaker 1: of what you're you're looking for. But the history, the museums, everything. 775 00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:31,840 Speaker 1: I think Milan, if she's like way into fashion and 776 00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:34,719 Speaker 1: that kind of stuff, is cool. But I think Florence 777 00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:40,640 Speaker 1: just you know, from a from a historical romantic, just 778 00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:44,480 Speaker 1: experience that. It's it's really hard to top, so I 779 00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:48,080 Speaker 1: would I would stay there as long as you can. Moseley, 780 00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:50,640 Speaker 1: great seeing your buddy. Yeah, Now, I always think you 781 00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:53,279 Speaker 1: should hit up a guy from Kaufman, Texas about your 782 00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:59,960 Speaker 1: international travels, what you should do in Italy? All right, buddy? 783 00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:15,080 Speaker 1: The volume