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Speaker 1: The NFL Draft is in the books. We got a

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Speaker 1: you know you've been you know, waiting to sort of

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Speaker 1: being drafted by the New England Pagriots and that historic

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Speaker 1: that first day that you showed up in the New

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Speaker 2: Well, what a lot of people don't know is typically

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Speaker 2: So whether you go nineteenth to the Rams, first overall,

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Speaker 2: And then occasionally they'll bring in, say the top three picks.

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Speaker 2: and then you're gonna get You're gonna head back home,

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Speaker 2: Teams having executed their their rookie Mini camp where that

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Speaker 1: And afterwards, Yeah, I'm looking at that two thousand and

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Speaker 1: This is why there is, in my opinion, no spin

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Speaker 2: I'm pretty shocked by it. I know everybody else's.

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Speaker 2: Social media doesn't do a justice sometimes expressing the thoughts

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Speaker 1: Even now, it doesn't. It doesn't.

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Speaker 1: You know, you think about that, you know.

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Speaker 2: If you really ask that question to yourself of you know,

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Speaker 1: About certain topics.

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Speaker 2: However, there are a case Asians, where what you're seeing

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Speaker 2: it is something that look, I mean, we've been doing

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Speaker 2: So this goes all the way back to two thousand

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Speaker 1: Out of college football. Huh. I mean, none of this

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Speaker 2: This is the strangest offseason decision I think any front

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Speaker 1: I promise you this, If they had hired Bill Belichick,

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Speaker 1: they would not have made this pick. No, they would

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Speaker 2: I want to hear your thoughts on Michael Pennix and

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Speaker 2: what you think of projection into But like, but Bill,

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Speaker 2: he was on the Pat McAfee show talking about how, look,

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Speaker 2: you know, Michael Pennix, his footworks all over the place.

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Speaker 1: You know, he really struggles.

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Speaker 2: You know, he was I mean, he was open about

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Speaker 2: There's no way if Belichick actually got the Atlanta job

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Speaker 1: Well, again, he has the arm strength that Michael Vick

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Speaker 1: He doesn't have the mobility obviously of a Michael Vick,

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Speaker 1: It is baffling, all right. Coming up on the other side,

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Speaker 1: we're focused in on the aftermath of this historic NFL

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Speaker 1: draft and Rich. One historic fact was, fourteen picks into

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Speaker 1: of this, Rich? The idea that fourteen picks into this draft,

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Speaker 2: I think it's a sign of the times. I think

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Speaker 1: Are thirty two owners or ownership groups.

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Speaker 1: You know, the front office personnel, that's the NFL.

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Speaker 2: So these people want to keep their jobs, and so

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Speaker 2: talking about the public relations of the team things like that.

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Speaker 1: I'm just letting you know we're getting killed out there.

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Speaker 1: And then that's one influence.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting to say it's much easier year on offensive players,

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Speaker 1: Joe Alt was the right pick. I know everyone's you know,

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Speaker 2: I was just talking about who can be influenced by

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Speaker 1: If you want to win, you got to do what's

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Speaker 1: What do we know about Jim Harbaugh as a coach.

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Speaker 1: He wants to run the ball. Yep, he wants to

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Speaker 2: that's been something that the Chargers have struggled with year

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Speaker 2: And while a lot of people are critical of you know,

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Speaker 1: He struggles with sideline passing.

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Speaker 2: Justin Herbert is a better passer of the football, and

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Speaker 2: he's not as good of an athlete, but he's a

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Speaker 1: So I'm very curious how they build this offense.

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Speaker 2: I'm very curious how many looks the quarterback gets to

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Speaker 1: But I do think.

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Speaker 2: It is exactly what you expect to see out of

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Speaker 1: And obviously their second pick, Lad mccon. I've always been

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Speaker 1: just thought, you know, it's a new hierarchy with the Chargers. Look,

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Speaker 1: They still haven't addressed the running back situation. There's a

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Speaker 1: But did you address areas of need and did you

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Speaker 1: I thought most teams restrain themselves.

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Speaker 1: It's funny. The top of the draft sort of went

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Speaker 1: But I thought, overall, I thought the NFL did a

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Speaker 2: I think the buzz around the draft was I.

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Speaker 1: Guess, arguably typical. You know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: It didn't feel like it was an insanely hyped event.

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Speaker 2: I think a lot of teams. I think a lot

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Speaker 2: out the Atlanta Falcons. That's a great example. You start

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Speaker 2: thinking about what the Buffalo Bills did in the first round,

437
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Speaker 2: you could argue that, yeah, for whatever draft capital they

438
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Speaker 2: were able to require, trading down into the second round

439
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Speaker 2: with the Chiefs, of all teams, a team that's now

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Speaker 2: beaten them multiple times in the postseason, that kind of

441
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Speaker 2: felt bizarre because guess what the Chiefs used that draft

442
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Speaker 2: capital they spent to get the fastest receiver on the board.

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Speaker 2: Sort of feels like, after losing Stefan Diggs this offseason,

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Speaker 2: maybe that would have been a good selection for the

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Speaker 2: Buffalo Bills. But you know so there were some moments

446
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Speaker 2: where you go, huh, why did that happen? You know,

447
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Speaker 2: Atlanta Buffalo. But overall, I think a lot of teams

448
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Speaker 2: based their draft off of fulfilling needs, and right now

449
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Speaker 2: there is a significant need in bolstering the offensive weapons

450
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Speaker 2: each of these teams have because it's become an arms race.

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Speaker 1: If you don't have.

452
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Speaker 2: A star receiver and at very least competent quarterback, you

453
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Speaker 2: have zero chance to win in this league, all right.

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Speaker 1: On the other side, we're going to get a little

455
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Speaker 1: bit more into the quarterback selection, and six of the

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Speaker 1: top twelve picks in this draft work quarterbacks. We've never

457
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Speaker 1: seen that before in NFL draft. Hetsory. But first let's

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Speaker 1: find out what is trending right now. So Monci, are

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Speaker 1: you as gung ho with your beloved Chargers draft as

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Speaker 1: I am?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean listen, and we said it yesterday, and

462
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Speaker 7: I am happy now that you know, the emotions have

463
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Speaker 7: passed because those were the logical choices. They were the

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Speaker 7: right choices. Remember I don't like to be logical. I

465
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Speaker 7: like to be emotional.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I'm finding that out every Saturday for two hours exactly.

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Speaker 1: Oh you know.

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Speaker 7: But yes, it was the right choice, and I think

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Speaker 7: it'll be good. So I'm excited to see I just

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Speaker 7: hope the plan is not to deviate away from Justin

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Speaker 7: Herbert throwing the ball.

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Speaker 1: The keyword there is plan. Yes, do you have a plan.

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Speaker 8: You have a plan to.

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Speaker 1: Take a five and twelve team and in the shortest

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Speaker 1: amount of time make them a legitimate Super Bowl contender.

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Speaker 1: It's not about making the playoffs. The idea is you

477
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Speaker 1: want to be a championship team for years. You would

478
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Speaker 1: never have dreamt that the Patriots back in the day

479
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Speaker 1: or the Chiefs in the modern day would become championship franchises.

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Speaker 1: There was nothing in their history before that that said, oh, yeah, someday.

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Speaker 1: But they had a plan. Yep, they stuck the right plan,

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Speaker 1: and now they have achieved the pinnacle. So there you go.

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Speaker 7: I think the good thing is that there's legit hope

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Speaker 7: that there is a plan.

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Speaker 8: Right, So we'll just have to wait and see.

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Speaker 7: The seventy six Ers are trying to pull away from

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Speaker 7: the Knicks in Philly. Tyree smacks. You just hit an

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Speaker 7: and one as he drove.

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Speaker 8: In, got feled.

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Speaker 7: It's fifty nine fifty one, still early in the third quarter.

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Speaker 8: Joel Embiid leading the.

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Speaker 7: Way for the seventy six Ers, doing a little bit

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Speaker 7: of everything in double digits, eight rebounds. Jalen Brunson has

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Speaker 7: twenty three points, though for New York, he is the

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Speaker 7: leading scorer, and again Knicks down fifty nine to fifty

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Speaker 7: one to Philly.

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Speaker 8: This is Game four. New York leads the series two

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Speaker 8: to one.

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Speaker 7: Following this game, it's gonna be the Mavericks and the Clippers.

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Speaker 7: No Kawhi Leonard for La due to that the inflammation

501
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Speaker 7: that he's been dealing with. There's also no assurance that

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Speaker 7: he's going to return at all this series. Following that game,

503
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Speaker 7: it's the Bucks and Pacers in Indiana Milwaukee once again,

504
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Speaker 7: no Jianna Santa Tookopo, no Damian Lillard, and then we

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Speaker 7: end with Phoenix and the Timberwolves of Suns trying to

506
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Speaker 7: avoid the sweep. Who would have thought that nine thirty

507
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Speaker 7: pm Eastern time, that's the last game of the day

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Speaker 7: for the NBA playoffs. We've got baseball going on. The

509
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Speaker 7: Guardians are up on the Braves one zero, top of

510
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Speaker 7: the fourth inning. The A's are beating the Orioles in

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Speaker 7: Baltimore four to two, bottom of the third. The Blue

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Speaker 7: Jays are beating the Dodgers at home, three zero.

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Speaker 8: Bottom of the fourth.

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Speaker 7: The Tigers up on the Royals three to one, bottom

515
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Speaker 7: of the fourth as well. For the Marlins, jas Chisholm

516
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Speaker 7: Junior has hit a grand Slam.

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Speaker 8: He hit a grand slam like three weeks ago.

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Speaker 7: For the Marlins, they're blaming the National seven zero, top

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Speaker 7: of the third.

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Speaker 8: Aaron Judge with a solo shot.

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Speaker 7: For the Yankees and they're up on the Brewers a

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Speaker 7: one zero bottom of the second and Candace Parker has

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Speaker 7: announced on social media that after sixteen seasons in the.

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Speaker 8: WNBA, she is retiring.

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Speaker 7: A couple of the things she's won fellas a couple

526
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Speaker 7: because we don't have a lot of time here.

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Speaker 8: Number one overall pick.

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Speaker 7: In two thousand and eight, Rookie of the Year, two

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Speaker 7: time MVP Finals MVP, first player in WNBA history to

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Speaker 7: win a championship with three different.

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Speaker 1: Teams, and by the way, she did that despite she

532
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Speaker 1: had a number of injuries during her WNBA career, ten

533
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Speaker 1: surge and surgeries, the latest injury last year when she

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Speaker 1: was part of the Aces WNBA championship team, but she

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Speaker 1: was in and out with that foot injury. I've always

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Speaker 1: been a candas Parker fan. I say she does a

537
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Speaker 1: great job as a broadcaster. I just remember her coming

538
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Speaker 1: out of Tennessee back to back national championships thinking if

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Speaker 1: this girl who literally checks every box cannot put the

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Speaker 1: w NBA in the spotlight, no one can. She came

541
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Speaker 1: in the league League MVP, you know, and you know,

542
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Speaker 1: great years with the Sparks and won a championship. But

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Speaker 1: she couldn't move the needle.

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Speaker 7: You know, I'm going to tell you why. I really

545
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Speaker 7: think social media, Like I think if Kandas Parker was

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Speaker 7: playing right now and there was videos of her everywhere

547
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Speaker 7: where you could see how good she was, it would

548
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Speaker 7: have made a difference.

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Speaker 1: Well, well we'll find out. I mean, we've heard this

550
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Speaker 1: before about you know, superstar collegiate women's players. Are they

551
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Speaker 1: going to be the elixir that's going to suddenly stir

552
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Speaker 1: a lot of interest into the WNBA. We've never had

553
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Speaker 1: a bigger media star obviously than Caitlin Clark. We will

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Speaker 1: wait and see. All right, Mansie, We'll check in with

555
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Speaker 1: you a little bit later on. All right, So Rich

556
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Speaker 1: three years ago the twenty twenty one NFL draft, five

557
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Speaker 1: of the first fifteen picks were quarterbacks. And now that

558
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Speaker 1: the Jets finally found a taker and Zach Wilson, now

559
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Speaker 1: that he's with the Denver Broncos, four of the five

560
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Speaker 1: quarterbacks are no longer with the team they were drafted

561
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Speaker 1: by in the top fifteen just three years ago. You

562
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Speaker 1: might think that would have been a warning, like, you know,

563
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Speaker 1: don't reach at quarterback, And yet we saw a record

564
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Speaker 1: six quarterbacks in the first twelve picks. By the way,

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Speaker 1: one quick note, what's interesting. After the Broncos took bo

566
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Speaker 1: Nicks as that sixth quarterback with the twelfth overall pick,

567
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Speaker 1: there was not another quarterback taken until the fifth round.

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Speaker 1: Spencer Rattler, Remember we had talked about maybe a second

569
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Speaker 1: round pick, no fifth round pick, But Rich, I just,

570
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Speaker 1: I mean every year we sort of have caution about,

571
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Speaker 1: you know, jumping up and hoping that that guy's going

572
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Speaker 1: to be your franchise quarterback. I know everyone keeps talking

573
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Speaker 1: about the Penix situation Atlanta Bo Nicks with the Denver Broncos. Yeah. Wow,

574
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Speaker 1: I don't know. Is Sean Payton see something here? I

575
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Speaker 1: always love these these shots. By the way, of the

576
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Speaker 1: draft rooms, cameras are on after every pick. It's like

577
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Speaker 1: the seventh round pick, high five in in the room. Look,

578
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Speaker 1: I used to be in a draft room with Hall

579
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Speaker 1: of famers Al Davis, Ron Wolf and Tom Floores. Never ever,

580
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Speaker 1: even after drafting Bo Jackson, did I see anyone high

581
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Speaker 1: five in the room. Well, during an NFL drafts it's look, if.

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Speaker 2: You are reading too deeply into that, I mean, then listen.

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Speaker 1: I just I guess it's all my observation is south

584
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Speaker 1: I've changed so dramatically, But I mean, let's let's talk

585
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Speaker 1: about this bow Knicks selection by the Denver Broncos, because again,

586
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Speaker 1: bow Knicks, despite his great finish of his career at Oregon,

587
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: was not projected to be a top fifteen pick in

588
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Speaker 1: this draft. And yet the Broncos, I guess, maybe nervous

589
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Speaker 1: that the Raiders, who by the way, got one of

590
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Speaker 1: the best players in this draft, and brock Bowers that

591
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 1: was a good pick because the Raiders picked the best

592
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Speaker 1: player on the board at number thirteen. But what did

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Speaker 1: you make of this bow Knicks pick and and what

594
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Speaker 1: direction do you think this organization is going next with

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Speaker 1: Sean Pate, Well.

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00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 2: Look, the Denver Broncos got the guy they wanted. Sean

597
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 2: Payton made an appearance on the Pat McAfee show discussing

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Speaker 2: how impressed he was and how impressed you know, all

599
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Speaker 2: the people up top with the Broncos were with, you know,

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Speaker 2: with his tape, with his pro day.

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Speaker 1: Workout and his intelligence.

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Speaker 2: You know, they handed him three packets of offensive play

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Speaker 2: installation the night before a private workout they conducted with him,

604
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Speaker 2: and apparently the next day in the classroom and on

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Speaker 2: the field, Bronco's brass were just absolutely flabbergasted with how

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Speaker 2: much he was able to absorb in just less than

607
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Speaker 2: a twelve hour period. You know, they gave it to

608
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Speaker 2: him the night before and he was able to digest

609
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Speaker 2: everything and bring it to the field and to the

610
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Speaker 2: classroom the next day.

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Speaker 1: And that is a.

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Speaker 2: Really really, really, really really important moment. I would argue

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Speaker 2: for any franchise to realize that when you're doing offensive

614
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Speaker 2: install with any player, that they're going to be able

615
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Speaker 2: to regurgitate the information accurately and not have those assignment

616
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Speaker 2: malfunctions and those mental errors that are trademarked with rookies

617
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 2: everything in the NFL. The longer you play, the more

618
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Speaker 2: you realize it's it's less about how great of an

619
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Speaker 2: athlete you are, or how sensational strength you have, or

620
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Speaker 2: you know, all these things that seem like they matter,

621
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Speaker 2: you know, because the NFL combine tells us that your

622
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Speaker 2: forty time dictates.

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Speaker 1: How you're going to play, It doesn't.

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Speaker 2: Those things don't matter nearly as much of how intelligent,

625
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Speaker 2: nearly as much as how intelligent you are how quickly

626
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Speaker 2: you can turn around information and turn it into success

627
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Speaker 2: on the field. I'll give you an example, like sometimes

628
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Speaker 2: you don't have overnight. Sometimes you're in the middle of

629
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Speaker 2: a football game and you come to the sideline and

630
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Speaker 2: the game plan that you put in is getting torn up.

631
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Speaker 2: As you're speaking with your coach, he's saying, all right, hey,

632
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Speaker 2: they're doing completely different things than we expected. So we're

633
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Speaker 2: going to transition to this the next series. So the

634
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Speaker 2: next time the offense is on the field, you may

635
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Speaker 2: start running plays that you didn't practice the entire week,

636
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Speaker 2: but you gotta be.

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Speaker 1: Prepared for those type of adjustments.

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Speaker 2: And so I think for that reason, it was more

639
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Speaker 2: what was going on between the ears with bow Knicks

640
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Speaker 2: that really impressed Sean Payton and the rest of the

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Speaker 2: Broncos staff.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know how a lot of people are talking about, Hey,

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Speaker 1: Michael Pennix tunior, he's gonna be like twenty four next month.

644
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Speaker 1: Bo Nix is already twenty four. Yeah, he's old. So

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Speaker 1: in fact, bo Knicks is the same age as Zach Wilson,

646
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Speaker 1: Zach Wilson who just joined the Broncos and will be eventially.

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Speaker 1: I guess bo Nix's backup this. This is a big

648
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Speaker 1: question about these guys with these extended stays in college.

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Speaker 1: So bow nixt after three forgettable years in Auburn, he

650
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Speaker 1: goes to Oregon and has this breakout season, you know.

651
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Speaker 1: And by the way, Jaydon danils the same way, you

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Speaker 1: know at Arizona State. Okay, some good years and all

653
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Speaker 1: of a sudden he explodes that last year at LSU.

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Speaker 1: Now I could say, well, that's how it went with

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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow at LSU, right, I mean he was at

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Speaker 1: Ohio State, he was a backup, goes to LSU for

657
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Speaker 1: sure nothing, then all of a sudden explodes and look

658
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Speaker 1: at him in the NFL. But I guess the question

659
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Speaker 1: is always what's the ceiling here? In other words, Bo Knicks,

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Speaker 1: as a veteran college quarterback, finally in his fifth year

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Speaker 1: as a starter, was really able to light it up. Well,

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Speaker 1: where does that project two three years down the road

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Speaker 1: in the NFL. Is that as good as it's going

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Speaker 1: to get for Bo Nicks? Or is there more to

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Speaker 1: be had? And so that's the dilemma or the complication

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Speaker 1: and trying to evaluate talent these days, is that because

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Speaker 1: of nil guys are staying in college Logger, Hey, I'm

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Speaker 1: a college football fan. I love it. I would like

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Speaker 1: them all to stay as long as possible. But that

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Speaker 1: brings up the question how much of this is an

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Speaker 1: evolution in bo Knicks's game as opposed to how much

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Speaker 1: it is that you have a twenty three year old quarterback,

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Speaker 1: you know, throwing against defenses with a bunch of nineteen

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Speaker 1: twenty year olds and he has that longtime college experience

675
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Speaker 1: that finally hanselated into big numbers, and then how does

676
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Speaker 1: that project into the NFL? Check this out.

677
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Speaker 2: Brock Purdy, inarguably over the last two seasons, is one

678
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Speaker 2: of the most successful young quarterbacks in the NFL. You know,

679
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Speaker 2: he's done better for his team than Joe Burrow has.

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Speaker 2: He's done better for his team than Justin Herbert has.

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Speaker 2: He's done better for his team than Tua tongue Va

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Speaker 2: Loa has. He's done better for his team arguably than

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Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts. Even though Jalen Hurts was able to beat

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Speaker 2: the forty nine ers in the NFC Championship game, he

685
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Speaker 2: didn't beat brock Purdy. He didn't beat brock Purty. Brock

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Speaker 2: Purty's elbow got injured really early in that game, and

687
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Speaker 2: brock Purdy one of the things he has in common

688
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Speaker 2: with Bo Nicks and Michael Pennix junior is. He played

689
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Speaker 2: all four years at Iowa State. He was in a

690
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Speaker 2: stable system, you know, and look, that's not everything. That's

691
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:58,280
Speaker 2: not everything. Certain guys they can play less time in college,

692
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Speaker 2: they can get to the league. They can they'll dazzle everybody.

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Speaker 2: But I mean, Joe Burrow is a good example of

694
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Speaker 2: another guy who played a long time in college. He

695
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Speaker 2: had his fifth year as a starter at LSU, and

696
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Speaker 2: he projects to be one of the brightest young stars

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Speaker 2: in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: He keeps getting hurt.

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Speaker 2: Luck has really not been on his side the first

700
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Speaker 2: bunch of years he's been playing.

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Speaker 1: But you get what I'm saying here.

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Speaker 2: Josh Allen another example of a guy who played all

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Speaker 2: of his years three years at Wyoming, but a lot

704
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Speaker 2: longer than some of these young quarterbacks who you know,

705
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Speaker 2: they dazzle us for two seasons and then they leave

706
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Speaker 2: and how many starts do they have under their belt.

707
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:38,280
Speaker 2: Trubisky had twelve starts. Drake May has had limited starting

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Speaker 2: time with UNC before coming out. There's a lot of

709
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Speaker 2: guys who it's two year starter, one year starter and

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Speaker 2: go to the league and they just haven't been able

711
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Speaker 2: to marinate long.

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Speaker 1: Enough as a starter to really get their feet under them.

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Speaker 1: All right, Coming up on the other side, I'm going

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Speaker 1: to reveal something that made me very very very excited.

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Speaker 1: It's maybe not what you think, all right, but very

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Speaker 1: very excited. We'll explain. This is Fox Sports Sunday, Steve Harvey,

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Speaker 1: Rich Herberger, Fox Sports Sunday. We're live from the Tairaq

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Speaker 1: dot com studios. Now, Rich you know a lot about me,

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Speaker 1: more so than most people, best say the least. Yes,

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Speaker 1: but did you know that I have a Heisman vote?

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Speaker 2: You know, it's so crazy after a decade. Yeah, this

722
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Speaker 2: is the first I've heard of this.

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Speaker 1: So when did you acquire this Heisman vote? Well, I've

724
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Speaker 1: had it for fourteen years, and I know that I

725
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Speaker 1: never call attention to my Heisman vote. Actually, I am

726
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Speaker 1: obsessed with a Heisman and have been since I was

727
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Speaker 1: a young child. It is one of my life's obsessions.

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Speaker 1: And the fact that I do have a Heisman vote.

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Speaker 1: If you had told me when I was a kid,

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Speaker 1: someday you would have a Heisman vote, it would have

731
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Speaker 1: blown my mind. The Heisman Trust finally did the right

732
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Speaker 1: thing and they handed Reggie Bush back as Heisman and

733
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Speaker 1: I love the photo of him with other Heisman winners

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Speaker 1: all gathered around him for this. In fact, if you

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Speaker 1: want to talk about it, one of the guys that

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Speaker 1: was standing in the photo was Archie Griffin. When you

737
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Speaker 1: think about it, Reggie Bush now joins Archie Griffin as

738
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Speaker 1: the only two time Heisman winners, like he wanted in

739
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Speaker 1: two thousand and five, and I guess he just won

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Speaker 1: it again, same Heisman. But this to me brings up

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Speaker 1: a bigger question about the NCAA. And again, the Heisman

742
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Speaker 1: Trust is an independent operation. I hope the NCAA takes

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Speaker 1: note the idea of eliminating statistics or taking wins away,

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Speaker 1: or vacating as school's participation in the NCAA tournament. I

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00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:48,320
Speaker 1: hate that you can't erase history. Look with Major League Baseball.

746
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Speaker 1: Did they erase the Astros after their cheating scandal of

747
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Speaker 1: winning the twenty seventeen World Series? No? Did they erase

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Speaker 1: the name of Barry Bonds is the all time leading

749
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Speaker 1: home run hitter because of his ped use allegedly. No,

750
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Speaker 1: There's other ways to go about this, So I'm hoping

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Speaker 1: the nca will take note of what the Heisman Trust did.

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Speaker 1: You can't take an award away. He won the Heisman Trophy.

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Speaker 1: He's welcome back into the Heisman fraternity. I absolutely love it. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Look, I mean there have been artists throughout history, famous

755
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 2: artists who have been you know, troubled people are bad people.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't eliminate the fact, and I'm including athletes into

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Speaker 2: this conversation, it doesn't eliminate the fact that they were

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Speaker 2: great at their craft. It can change your mind about

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Speaker 2: whether or not you want to partake in the celebration

760
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Speaker 2: over their success at any given craft. But this is

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Speaker 2: this is life like Oftentimes it's the trouble artist who

762
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Speaker 2: is the successful artist, and you have to take the

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Speaker 2: bad with the good.

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Speaker 1: All right. Coming up on the other side, a changing

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Speaker 1: heck of a game going on right now between the

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Speaker 1: Sixers and Knicks, Philadelphia with a one point lead. Actually

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Speaker 1: they just scored on a free throw, two point lead

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00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 1: right now, coming to the final seconds here of the

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Speaker 1: third quarter. Of course, Philadelphia trying to even up this

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Speaker 1: series at two and two. You know, Rich, before these

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Speaker 1: playoffs began, you know, obviously this Celtics had the best

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Speaker 1: record in the East, best record in the NBA. We

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Speaker 1: expected them to be there. But the two big question

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Speaker 1: mark teams going into this postseason to me were the

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Speaker 1: Oklahoma City Thunder and the Minnesota Timberwolves. So they were

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Speaker 1: in competition with the Denver Nuggets, defending champions for the

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Speaker 1: best record in the West. Okase ended up as the

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Speaker 1: one seed, Minnesota the three seed. But how would they

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Speaker 1: hold them in the postseason? And if you look at

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Speaker 1: both of these franchises, they have done it the old

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Speaker 1: school way. They basically gutted their franchises, trading away star players,

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Speaker 1: acquiring a lot of picks, and then started building the

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Speaker 1: franchise through the draft, very much like the Denver Nuggets

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Speaker 1: did by the way to get to the top of

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Speaker 1: the NBA. And so far, so good. Combined the Thunder

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Speaker 1: and the t Bowls have what zero losses in this

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Speaker 1: playoff right now? And you counter that with what is

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Speaker 1: happening to the Phoenix Suns team, by the way, that

796
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Speaker 1: swept all three games in the regular season against Minnesota

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Speaker 1: by big margins and now have had the tables completely

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Speaker 1: reversed in this series where the Minnesota Timberwolves have had

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Speaker 1: he dominated this star lineup of the Phoenix Suns, the

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Speaker 1: Lakers trying to survive right now. Obviously the Golden State

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00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 1: Warriors are already gone. But I'm just wondering because we

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00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:13,360
Speaker 1: talked about this last year when the Denver Nuggets broke

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00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:16,800
Speaker 1: through and won their NBA championship. If you look at

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00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 1: the formula for success, the sense of consistency, keeping players

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Speaker 1: in the fold, you know, four or five years, and

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Speaker 1: staying with that lineup, letting them develop, staying with your

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Speaker 1: coach yep, Michael Malone, and creating a cohesiveness. We don't

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Speaker 1: get this anymore, right. It's always like, ah, it didn't

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Speaker 1: work with let's blow it up and start all over again.

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00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:45,840
Speaker 1: The Nuggets, you know, they seem to just sort of

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Speaker 1: peck away at it and finally that bond that they

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Speaker 1: created over a many year span many season span finally

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Speaker 1: created what we see today that the Nuggets are NBA

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Speaker 1: champions and you know, obviously trying to fight for another championship.

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Speaker 1: I'm just wondering if anyone's taking note because two years ago,

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Speaker 1: for instance, the Phoenix Suns won sixty four games. They

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Speaker 1: had Devin Booker scoring a lot of points, and then

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Speaker 1: they had a lot of role players with clearly defined roles,

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Speaker 1: and then they decided, the heck with that, We're going

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Speaker 1: to bring in Kevin Durant and then we're going to

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Speaker 1: sign Bradley Beal. How's that working? Not well? And the

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Speaker 1: problem for them is there's no way out of this.

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Speaker 1: Those are ironclad contracts for the next several years, each

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Speaker 1: of those guys making fifty million a year, and all

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Speaker 1: those essential key players, you know, the role players that

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Speaker 1: understood their roles on that team were eliminated in order

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Speaker 1: to get these superstars. I'm just wondering if more and

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Speaker 1: more teams are going to take note, like OKC and

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Speaker 1: I think Minnesota have that, you know, build it slow,

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Speaker 1: keep players together, keep the coaching staff, and if you have,

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Speaker 1: if you made the good things are going to happen

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Speaker 1: down the road.

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Speaker 2: Well, Okay, well that that's true, but you gotta remember

834
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Speaker 2: you got to make the right picks.

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Speaker 1: You do.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's and you're not talking about like something

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Speaker 2: that's easy.

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Speaker 1: It's it's not. I mean, it's it's not easy at all.

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Speaker 2: But they knocked it out of the parts with out

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Speaker 2: of the park with kat Karl, Anthony Towns, obviously with

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Speaker 2: Anthony Edwards a couple of years back. Now, I mean,

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Speaker 2: it's pretty impressive what they've been able to do over

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Speaker 2: the history of their draft to get some really notably

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Speaker 2: important foundational pieces through the doors. It's not the only

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Speaker 2: way to build. I think we've seen that many times.

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Speaker 2: But I think it's a wee way to build. And

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Speaker 2: I also think that, look, the ends justify the means.

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Speaker 2: So if you put together a super team and you

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Speaker 2: win a a an NBA championship by route of creating

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Speaker 2: a force to be reckoned with in the NBA.

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Speaker 1: Look, the Warriors did it.

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Speaker 2: The right way until they didn't and they brought in

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Speaker 2: Kevin Durant, but they won two more finals with Kevin Durant.

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Speaker 2: So I mean, I literally Kevin Durant helped this Warriors

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00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:19,239
Speaker 2: franchise to fifty percent of this dynasty's success. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: they built it the right way, but they needed a

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Speaker 2: little extra help from outside. So in the NBA, I

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Speaker 2: think we've seen an abandonment of building through the draft

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Speaker 2: and developing players and sticking with a plan for a long,

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Speaker 2: long term vision, you know, to make way for this

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Speaker 2: instant gratification world we've been living in for say, the

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Speaker 2: last five to ten years. I do feel the door

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Speaker 2: swinging back.

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Speaker 1: The other way.

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Speaker 2: I do think the pendulum's coming back to the side

866
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:49,320
Speaker 2: of building and developing again.

867
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 1: But it's alluring, man, when you have a.

868
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 2: Star looking for a trade or available in free agency,

869
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 2: to say no, because you just have these visions of

870
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:04,799
Speaker 2: grandeur dancing through your head, like, oh, we could add

871
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 2: a Kevin Durant. We could add a Bradley Bill if

872
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:09,879
Speaker 2: you're the Phoenix Suns, Oh we could we could add

873
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 2: a who just left Portland. Why am I blanket on

874
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 2: his name? Dame Lillark, thank you? We could add a

875
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:19,840
Speaker 2: Dame Time in Milwaukee. Like you know, maybe it's not

876
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:23,879
Speaker 2: the elixir that cures all the als, but it's very

877
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,839
Speaker 2: difficult to turn down an opportunity to do something like that.

878
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 1: You mentioned Kevin Durant obviously one of the great scorers

879
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:34,359
Speaker 1: in the history of the NBA, all time legend. He's

880
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 1: not a leader. You talked about the success he had

881
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 1: with the Golden State Warriors. You know why he had

882
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 1: so much success with the Golden State Warriors because they

883
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 1: had a leader named Steph Curry. Steph Curry was the

884
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:50,880
Speaker 1: two time reigning MVP when Kevin Durant stepped in, and

885
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:54,319
Speaker 1: you know what Steph Curry did. He sacrificed some of

886
00:47:54,600 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 1: his game to bring out the best in Kevin Durant.

887
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:04,359
Speaker 1: So Durant shows up anxious to be part of this

888
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 1: wide open offense. And Steph Curry as the leader of

889
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:14,279
Speaker 1: that team, and I stressed, leader of that team recognized

890
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 1: the best way for this guy to help us is

891
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 1: to let him do his thing. And so that's why

892
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 1: he thrive. He thrived because Steph Curry allowed him to thrive.

893
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 1: Steph Curry was the top scorer in the league and

894
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 1: he took a step back to allow Kevin Durant to

895
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 1: feel comfortable doing what he does best. Leaders Leadership is everything.

896
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:40,839
Speaker 1: Kevin Durant, as great a player as he is, all

897
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:44,959
Speaker 1: time great, He's not a leader. Neither is Bradley Beal

898
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 1: or Devin Booker. They're all great scorers, no question about that,

899
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:51,400
Speaker 1: but this is a rudderless ship. Frank Vogel steps in

900
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 1: and Phoenix they thought, well, let's bring in a coach with,

901
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:56,799
Speaker 1: you know, championship pedigree. He knows what it is to

902
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:59,279
Speaker 1: work with superstars. You know, he worked with Lebron and

903
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 1: DNL won a championship. But it really comes down to

904
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 1: leadership on the court. And it's just that's the problem

905
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 1: with the Phoenix Suns right now. They are blessed with

906
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:15,400
Speaker 1: three great scores, they're minus a leader. And that's why

907
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 1: in crunch time when you need to rally the troops

908
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 1: and you know, get your act together. So far in

909
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 1: this series, obviously against the Tea Wells, the Phoenix Suns

910
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:26,399
Speaker 1: have not been able to do that. And by the way,

911
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:29,320
Speaker 1: as I said before, there's no way out. The Phoenix

912
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:34,359
Speaker 1: Suns have completely gutted this franchise in order to bring

913
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:38,839
Speaker 1: these three players together. There's no way out. And if

914
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 1: this is a precursor, if you're a Phoenix Suns fan,

915
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:44,240
Speaker 1: I got news here. It's not gonna get any better.

916
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 2: Well listen, I mean, every year you have the draft,

917
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:49,399
Speaker 2: and every year you have the draft, you have an

918
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 2: opportunity to rewrite your story to get a special player,

919
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 2: to build around that player. And I agree with you

920
00:49:56,520 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 2: that developing a culture steadily slowly developing talent into stardom,

921
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 2: that is the goal of every franchise, or should be

922
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 2: the goal of every franchise, but not every franchise can

923
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 2: do it. Or sometimes you get yourself in a situation like,

924
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 2: for example, the Pelicans, where you risk it all to

925
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 2: get Zion Williamson and it hasn't exactly materialized into postseason success.

926
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 2: You know, I mean like it's so it's a catch

927
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 2: twenty two. I understand what you're saying, and actually, to

928
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:35,839
Speaker 2: be perfectly honest with you, I appreciate more how you

929
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 2: use the example of the Warriors than even how I

930
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 2: was using the example.

931
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:41,719
Speaker 1: Of the Warriors, because I agree with you.

932
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:44,440
Speaker 2: I actually do think that the Warriors did exactly what

933
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 2: you should do if you're planning on having a slow

934
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:53,760
Speaker 2: growing trajectory to success. They drafted well, they developed well,

935
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 2: they kept the whole core in place, including the coach,

936
00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:01,839
Speaker 2: Steve Kerr, the whole way, Draymond Green, Steph Curry. It

937
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 2: was it was just adding a free agent to that

938
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 2: sustainable core that they had already built with Klay Thompson

939
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:12,840
Speaker 2: as well. Right, they already had these these three players

940
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:15,399
Speaker 2: that they had developed, that had worked together, that had

941
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 2: won champion championships together or a championship together.

942
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:21,840
Speaker 1: They bringing Kevin Durant, and.

943
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:24,759
Speaker 2: He can seem as seamlessly fit because you knew the

944
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:28,279
Speaker 2: leadership could accommodate that. So actually, the Warriors are a

945
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 2: better example for your argument than it are than they

946
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:33,839
Speaker 2: are for mine, because that is an example of the

947
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 2: benefit of development and the benefit of keeping a corps

948
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 2: in shape.

949
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:40,399
Speaker 1: I get the allure though, and.

950
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:43,359
Speaker 2: I'm sure you do too, of the idea of like,

951
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 2: oh my gosh, if we get James Harden, Kevin Durant

952
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 2: and Kyrie Irving and smash them together in you know,

953
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:54,240
Speaker 2: the second team in New York that people talk about,

954
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 2: you know, behind the next the Brooklyn Nets, we will

955
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 2: win the East and it's like, well or in two

956
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 2: years everybody will want out, you know, But you can't

957
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:06,920
Speaker 2: deny that that's an alluring proposition.

958
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 1: Well again, I was part as a kid growing up

959
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 1: of the first you know, bringing together three superstars in

960
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:17,399
Speaker 1: the NBA when the Lakers acquired Wil Chamberlain to join

961
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 1: Elgrim Baylor and Jerry West. The prevailing thought was, they

962
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:23,240
Speaker 1: will never lose a game, Mike, They'll never lose a game.

963
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 1: How could you possibly lose a game with three of

964
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 1: the biggest superstars on the same team. In the end,

965
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:34,240
Speaker 1: they lost the NBA Championship to an aging Celtics team

966
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 1: that was a cohesive unit that understood how to play

967
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 1: together and a lot of the you know again, some

968
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 1: of those what seemed like fringe pieces in terms of

969
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:47,840
Speaker 1: players that seem smaller because they only play certain roles.

970
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:50,400
Speaker 1: The Lakers had to trade some of that away in

971
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:53,719
Speaker 1: order to get Will Chamberlain, and it didn't work. It

972
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 1: just didn't work all right. Coming out on the other side,

973
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 1: speaking the Lakers, I want to get into this Nuggets

974
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:01,280
Speaker 1: Lakers series. It's still a series. By the way. Lakers

975
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 1: did win last night as they go back to Denver,

976
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:09,959
Speaker 1: but two franchises going in very different directions, or are they?

977
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 1: This is Fox Sports Sunday, Steve Harbin, Rich Hornberger. Here

978
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 1: Fox Sports Sunday. We are live from the Tiraq dot

979
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:25,919
Speaker 1: Com studios. We're getting a little bit warmer weather here

980
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 1: in southern California. Are you taking advantage? Rich Are you

981
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:33,759
Speaker 1: getting the flamethrower ready to go? Little barbecue action in

982
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:35,239
Speaker 1: the backyard? You know me?

983
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, that thing is ready to go at any moment.

984
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:42,640
Speaker 2: And yeah, I've been busting out more lately. I went

985
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:46,400
Speaker 2: and did something for the first time really this this weekend.

986
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 2: I never went away for a camping weekend. And we

987
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:52,719
Speaker 2: we did this with the kids. They're in the Cub Scouts.

988
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 2: And I'll tell you what, we we're rookies.

989
00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:01,520
Speaker 1: We don't we don't know what we're doing. How's a

990
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 1: sports situation? I so Tye is how old now? He

991
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 1: is eight? Eight? And Sebastian is he's five? That's unbelievable.

992
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 1: I like to remember the day he was born. All right?

993
00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 1: So the sports thing, though, right, I mean, my recollection

994
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:23,719
Speaker 1: of my kids, more so than anything else, all three

995
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 1: of my kids was just endless sports, right. I Mean

996
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 1: if they didn't have a game, they had a practice.

997
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 1: I mean it was seven days a week for years

998
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:37,440
Speaker 1: and years and years, where you know, you're driving here,

999
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:40,120
Speaker 1: you're dropping them off, here, you're standing there, you're coaching them.

1000
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:43,760
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just endless. Is that? The Ornberger Boys

1001
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 1: or how's that working now? No, it couldn't be further

1002
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:48,839
Speaker 1: from that. I don't understand this. So you're I mean,

1003
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:52,360
Speaker 1: you were a decent football player. Your wife Anne was

1004
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:55,919
Speaker 1: a superstar volleyball player, that's right. So you have these

1005
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 1: athletic genes that have been instilled in these two boys,

1006
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:03,840
Speaker 1: and I would imagine most people, especially with your legend

1007
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:06,879
Speaker 1: and your wife's legend, would assume that these boys are

1008
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 1: literally knocking it out of the park in terms of

1009
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:15,799
Speaker 1: their athletic prowess. Oh right, yeah, but it's not happening yet.

1010
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:19,880
Speaker 2: No, So, Tye, the oldest is a is a science kid,

1011
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:24,920
Speaker 2: and so like legitimately, while there's baseball camps and you know,

1012
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 2: soccer camps and you know, flag football things that all

1013
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:30,839
Speaker 2: these other eight year olds are involved in, he's going

1014
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:33,800
Speaker 2: to like an engineering camp this summer, you know what

1015
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 2: I'm saying.

1016
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:36,520
Speaker 1: Like, like, that's it's just what he's into.

1017
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:39,440
Speaker 2: And so we don't force either of the kids to

1018
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 2: pursue interests. We we want them to pursue the things

1019
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:48,279
Speaker 2: they're interested in. So we've we've tried out a couple

1020
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:51,239
Speaker 2: of different sports with the oldest and he's he's just

1021
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:53,759
Speaker 2: not into it. So we've backed off that and we've

1022
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 2: let him sort of blossom into you know, the the

1023
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 2: interests that really few fuel him, which is more of

1024
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:05,120
Speaker 2: the sciences, which I'm fascinated by because it couldn't be

1025
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 2: further from where my brain was at when I was

1026
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:07,640
Speaker 2: eight years old.

1027
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:08,279
Speaker 1: And like you.

1028
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:11,920
Speaker 2: Mentioned, Annie, my wife is a Division one volleyball player

1029
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:16,719
Speaker 2: and a national champion. I played football Penn State, you know,

1030
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 2: played six years in the NFL. You would assume our

1031
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 2: kids would have some level of interest in sports. The

1032
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:26,719
Speaker 2: youngest is just starting to get into it, like we

1033
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:29,720
Speaker 2: we're starting to see the life we'll see about bash,

1034
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:31,360
Speaker 2: But yeah, the oldest is not.

1035
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:33,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And then you'll get to where I am

1036
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:39,240
Speaker 1: next weekend, next Saturday, my daughter paris my youngest, Yeah,

1037
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:42,560
Speaker 1: graduating college. I have a big college graduation. Of course,

1038
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:44,400
Speaker 1: I hope it's going to be a graduation some of

1039
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 1: these universities. I don't want to get the political stuff,

1040
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:48,840
Speaker 1: but you know, no, no, I mean I've invested a

1041
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 1: lot in this graduation ceremony coming up next Saturday, So

1042
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:57,239
Speaker 1: better happened. I want to talk a little bit about well,

1043
00:56:57,400 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 1: my youngest son, Garrett is, as you know, a diehard

1044
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 1: Laker fan, like he lives in breeze Laker basketball. Yes,

1045
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:08,400
Speaker 1: and even with the Nuggets dropping finally one to the

1046
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:11,360
Speaker 1: Lakers after they had won eleven straight against the Lakers,

1047
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 1: his attitude is, the Lakers need to blow this thing up.

1048
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 1: Like we've had four years now since they won that

1049
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 1: championship in the Bubble. So the fifth year of Lebron

1050
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 1: and Ad together, sixth year of Lebron in a Laker uniform,

1051
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:32,440
Speaker 1: and they have been either out of the playoffs entirely

1052
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:36,400
Speaker 1: or in the playing round every year except for the

1053
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:38,640
Speaker 1: year they won the championship in the Bubble down there

1054
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:42,160
Speaker 1: in Florida. So he says, you need to blow this

1055
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 1: thing up. You need to take Anthony Davis, who's had

1056
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:49,200
Speaker 1: his best year in years, stayed healthy. We saw him

1057
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:52,280
Speaker 1: last night, twenty three rebounds. I mean he dominated both

1058
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 1: ends of the court. He says, Dad, I'm telling you

1059
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:58,280
Speaker 1: he's never had greater market value than he has right now.

1060
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 1: He's still only thirty years old. Him, get five first

1061
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 1: round picks or whatever you can get in a hall

1062
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 1: for Anthony Davis, and then maybe LEBRONO look at the

1063
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:09,840
Speaker 1: situation saying forget it. He's got a player option. I'm

1064
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 1: out of here. He wants to blow the whole thing up,

1065
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:13,760
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking to myself, who whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

1066
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 1: Woh whoa. So in this series against the Nuggets, the

1067
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 1: Lakers have leed it halftime all four games, yes, the half.

1068
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:28,200
Speaker 1: All four games. They have led the defending NBA champions

1069
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:33,120
Speaker 1: at halftime. And if they don't somehow screw up Game two,

1070
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 1: I mean, you should never blow a twenty point lead

1071
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:38,120
Speaker 1: in the third quarter, but they did and Jamal Murray

1072
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 1: hit the big game winner. But if they win that game,

1073
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:45,960
Speaker 1: just that game, this is a two to two series,

1074
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:50,080
Speaker 1: that's right. And so I mentioned before, the Nuggets are

1075
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:55,160
Speaker 1: where they are by obviously getting the right pieces in

1076
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:58,880
Speaker 1: place and staying with it. You know, after the Lakers

1077
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:01,920
Speaker 1: run to the Western confer Fern's Finals last year, they

1078
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 1: extended the deal of Austin Reeves. They extended the deal

1079
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:09,080
Speaker 1: of Ruy Hotchimura. Obviously, he got a d under contract

1080
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:11,960
Speaker 1: for a long time, and Lebron has said publicly he

1081
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:13,840
Speaker 1: wants to stay a Laker or the rest of his career.

1082
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:16,840
Speaker 1: You bring in D'Angelo Russell. It's been a mixed bag.

1083
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:18,840
Speaker 1: He bounced back in a big way in Game four

1084
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:22,040
Speaker 1: after getting the gooseg in Game three. They'll have to

1085
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:23,720
Speaker 1: make it. He has a player option, by the way,

1086
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:25,640
Speaker 1: as well. It's a low ball number. I'm gonna guess

1087
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:28,200
Speaker 1: he's going to opt out and try to hit free agency.

1088
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:31,880
Speaker 1: But if the Lakers' goal, and I know it is,

1089
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 1: is to win a championship, you're facing the champion and

1090
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:38,720
Speaker 1: you're playing them pretty even. You really are, so maybe

1091
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:42,920
Speaker 1: take a page out of the Nuggets playbook and say,

1092
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:46,280
Speaker 1: all right, we couldn't beat him this year. Maybe we

1093
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:48,600
Speaker 1: need a few more pieces off the bench. They were

1094
00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:51,720
Speaker 1: unlucky with Vanderbilt getting hurt. He was a good defensive

1095
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:54,560
Speaker 1: player for them. Gabe Vincent obviously was hurt for much

1096
00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:56,160
Speaker 1: of the year. Really didn't get a play on how

1097
00:59:56,200 --> 00:59:59,640
Speaker 1: well he could play. But you add a few little pieces,

1098
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:03,520
Speaker 1: you might supplant the Nuggets, And the good news out

1099
01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:07,640
Speaker 1: of the season was Ad was healthy and Lebron is

1100
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:10,680
Speaker 1: not slowing down. Yeah, maybe on the defensive end, you know,

1101
01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:13,280
Speaker 1: he has to pick a spot, so that's coming with age.

1102
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:17,439
Speaker 1: But if I'm the Lakers, even if this series closes out,

1103
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:21,440
Speaker 1: you know, in the next game in Denver. I'm standing Pat,

1104
01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:24,720
Speaker 1: I'm staying with this thing, and that includes Darvin Ham.

1105
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:28,200
Speaker 1: You know, a team doesn't play well. I'm not the

1106
01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:30,880
Speaker 1: biggest Darvin Ham fan. I think he's made some mistakes

1107
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:33,200
Speaker 1: early in the year by playing certain players when he

1108
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:35,760
Speaker 1: should have just stayed with the regular starting lineup the

1109
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:38,320
Speaker 1: entire year. You know, three or four wins is a

1110
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:41,160
Speaker 1: big difference between being a seventh seed and maybe being

1111
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:45,480
Speaker 1: a four seed. So I hope that the Lakers take

1112
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:48,760
Speaker 1: away from this season is we're a lot closer than

1113
01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:51,440
Speaker 1: maybe people think. And the idea of blowing it up

1114
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:55,720
Speaker 1: and starting over again, I think would be a horrific idea.

1115
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:58,840
Speaker 2: Well, what a difference a week makes, because I remember

1116
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:03,000
Speaker 2: last week, Yeah, you opining that maybe blowing this whole

1117
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:04,120
Speaker 2: thing up is the way to go.

1118
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:07,280
Speaker 1: I change, I changed. I I just I was thinking

1119
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:10,440
Speaker 1: about this a lot, and again taking note that the

1120
01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:12,880
Speaker 1: Lakers have led a halftime in all four of these

1121
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:14,840
Speaker 1: games against the defending champs.

1122
01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:17,840
Speaker 2: Well, so I what I was saying last week is

1123
01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:22,080
Speaker 2: similar but different, and I haven't changed my thought process.

1124
01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:22,720
Speaker 6: Now.

1125
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:25,400
Speaker 2: Where it's similar is I agree with you don't blake,

1126
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:29,600
Speaker 2: don't blow this thing up? Where I differ is the

1127
01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:34,080
Speaker 2: fact that you're too invested like that. There there are

1128
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:37,360
Speaker 2: times where you've got to understand your throwing bad money

1129
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:42,080
Speaker 2: after after or worse money after bad that you're you're

1130
01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:45,960
Speaker 2: continuing down a path that's just spiraling out of control.

1131
01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:47,760
Speaker 1: And I get it, cut bait.

1132
01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:52,200
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter what you've invested so much or so far,

1133
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:56,080
Speaker 2: whatever it is, it's time to cut bait and just

1134
01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:59,800
Speaker 2: and just cut your losses. Well, that's not the situation

1135
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:02,800
Speaker 2: the Lakers. The Lakers have been to the playoffs a

1136
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:05,920
Speaker 2: bunch with Lebron James. The Lakers just went on a

1137
01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:08,320
Speaker 2: Western Conference final run a year ago, and they're back

1138
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:11,439
Speaker 2: in the in the the playoffs, playing against arguably the

1139
01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:15,520
Speaker 2: best team in the playoffs on their on their side

1140
01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:18,840
Speaker 2: of the bracket, and they're giving them fits for halves.

1141
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:19,480
Speaker 3: Now.

1142
01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:21,880
Speaker 2: They finally put together a whole game in Game four,

1143
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:26,360
Speaker 2: like you just mentioned. But I didn't understand this rallying

1144
01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:28,600
Speaker 2: cry like, oh they need to fire Darvin Ham and

1145
01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:30,440
Speaker 2: oh they need to blow this whole thing up, because

1146
01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:33,720
Speaker 2: I was thinking to myself this entire time, like the Lakers,

1147
01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:38,840
Speaker 2: prior to Lebron James being a Laker were so desperate

1148
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:43,800
Speaker 2: that they were calling Lonzo Ball the next Magic Johnson

1149
01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:48,040
Speaker 2: like they were lost. They were lost after Kobe, and

1150
01:02:48,120 --> 01:02:51,560
Speaker 2: I don't blame it. I don't blame them. Kobe was everything.

1151
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:55,920
Speaker 2: Kobe was there for this insane stretch and they had

1152
01:02:55,960 --> 01:02:58,400
Speaker 2: tons of success. They had so much success with Kobe.

1153
01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:02,040
Speaker 2: He completely reinvented himself in the middle of his career

1154
01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:04,200
Speaker 2: with the Lakers, and they went on to win more

1155
01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:08,440
Speaker 2: championships with Kobe. It was an incredible run. But those

1156
01:03:08,520 --> 01:03:12,440
Speaker 2: years ended and they didn't know where to go, and Lebron.

1157
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:14,040
Speaker 1: Came in and saved the day.

1158
01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:16,439
Speaker 2: Now, you could say whatever you want about Lebron James

1159
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:19,360
Speaker 2: and his loyalty the Lakers, and he'll never be a Laker,

1160
01:03:19,560 --> 01:03:21,880
Speaker 2: you know, from the fan base standpoint, blah blah blah.

1161
01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:23,240
Speaker 1: I get it. I understand.

1162
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:26,160
Speaker 2: Maybe it's nauseating to some lifelong Laker fans, But I'm

1163
01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:29,919
Speaker 2: telling you right now, if you blow this up, you're

1164
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:33,800
Speaker 2: not cutting losses, you're cutting wins. Lebron James, like you said,

1165
01:03:33,840 --> 01:03:35,680
Speaker 2: still has more in his tank. It's playing out an

1166
01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:39,080
Speaker 2: all star level. He's nearing forty a d still relatively

1167
01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:42,960
Speaker 2: young man. They've built this team around Lebron James. I

1168
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:45,520
Speaker 2: don't really see reason to blow this up because it's

1169
01:03:45,600 --> 01:03:49,520
Speaker 2: still working. We're talking about a playoff team that's going

1170
01:03:49,560 --> 01:03:52,200
Speaker 2: toe to toe with the champs from last year.

1171
01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:54,760
Speaker 9: Can I just say the issue with blowing this Lakers

1172
01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:57,920
Speaker 9: team up? Yeah, you're doing that, and then you're interesting

1173
01:03:58,040 --> 01:04:00,640
Speaker 9: Rob Polinka and Jeanie Buss to build it together, and

1174
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:02,520
Speaker 9: that's you're not going to do it.

1175
01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:05,200
Speaker 1: But I have to say this, look at it. You know,

1176
01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:10,440
Speaker 1: I've known Genie forever and she has a very strong

1177
01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:14,640
Speaker 1: sense of loyalty as her father did. If you look

1178
01:04:14,680 --> 01:04:19,480
Speaker 1: at Polenka, the one bad deal was the Westbrook deal. Okay,

1179
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:22,200
Speaker 1: can we all agree on that. Yes, that was That

1180
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:24,960
Speaker 1: was a really bad deal.

1181
01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:26,320
Speaker 9: That closed the Lakers' title window.

1182
01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:28,880
Speaker 1: I think, well, but they're trying to get it back.

1183
01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:33,320
Speaker 1: But the acquisitions that they made last year, certainly Austin Reeves,

1184
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:38,000
Speaker 1: Hatcha Mura, even though he's had some inconsistencies, I there

1185
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:40,160
Speaker 1: have been some pretty good moves for this team right now.

1186
01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:42,960
Speaker 1: The Westbrook deal was a disaster. That was bad, and

1187
01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:45,880
Speaker 1: they did get rid of some players off that championship

1188
01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:49,000
Speaker 1: team that they should have kept. But that being said,

1189
01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:52,440
Speaker 1: I think that based on what I'm seeing in this series.

1190
01:04:53,200 --> 01:04:56,640
Speaker 1: And just give the Nuggets credit, they know how to close.

1191
01:04:57,360 --> 01:05:00,560
Speaker 1: Jamal Murray is one of those rare players that is

1192
01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:02,840
Speaker 1: significantly better in the postseason than he is in the

1193
01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:06,640
Speaker 1: regular season. I mean, you watch Jamal Murray, like, how's

1194
01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:08,720
Speaker 1: this guy not a pernial All Star. He's never made

1195
01:05:08,720 --> 01:05:11,120
Speaker 1: the All Star team, he's never been an All NBA player.

1196
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:13,520
Speaker 1: He looks like it in the postseason. All right, let's

1197
01:05:13,520 --> 01:05:16,400
Speaker 1: find out what is trending right now. Speaking of NBA,

1198
01:05:16,560 --> 01:05:20,120
Speaker 1: of course, I know that Monsei's very anxious about her

1199
01:05:20,120 --> 01:05:21,200
Speaker 1: Clippers right now.

1200
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:23,480
Speaker 8: We know that Kawhi will not be in the game

1201
01:05:23,560 --> 01:05:24,440
Speaker 8: for that's a good thing.

1202
01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:28,480
Speaker 1: So we were talking about this yesterday. So he doesn't

1203
01:05:28,520 --> 01:05:32,080
Speaker 1: play Game one, and the Clippers blow the Mavericks out

1204
01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:35,680
Speaker 1: of the building. Yeah yeah, Then they bring back Kawhi

1205
01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:39,640
Speaker 1: in Game two, and then are really struggling Kawhi back

1206
01:05:39,640 --> 01:05:42,440
Speaker 1: in Game three and the MAVs win both those games.

1207
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:47,480
Speaker 1: So you're saying process by elimination right now, the Clippers

1208
01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:49,200
Speaker 1: are better without Kawhi.

1209
01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:51,200
Speaker 7: Well yeah, I mean, he had missed I don't know

1210
01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:54,080
Speaker 7: what was it, nine ten games going into the playoffs,

1211
01:05:54,160 --> 01:05:56,760
Speaker 7: and you could tell he was not ready, And I

1212
01:05:56,840 --> 01:05:59,240
Speaker 7: just don't know why we brought him back when he

1213
01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:01,040
Speaker 7: wasn't ready, especially after that.

1214
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:01,919
Speaker 8: Great Game one.

1215
01:06:02,080 --> 01:06:04,840
Speaker 7: It was like, keep what we have going into Game two,

1216
01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:06,200
Speaker 7: and if you want to bring him back for a

1217
01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:08,080
Speaker 7: couple of minutes in Game three and see how he does.

1218
01:06:07,960 --> 01:06:10,080
Speaker 8: It's fine. But it's just kind of like a little

1219
01:06:10,120 --> 01:06:12,920
Speaker 8: bit of the Lebron effect. I think that when Kawhi

1220
01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:13,439
Speaker 8: is on the.

1221
01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:16,160
Speaker 7: Core, they feel the need to give the ball to Kawhi,

1222
01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:19,280
Speaker 7: and clearly it doesn't work, and he doesn't just he

1223
01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:21,000
Speaker 7: just doesn't look like he's healthy.

1224
01:06:21,240 --> 01:06:22,520
Speaker 8: He just doesn't look like himself.

1225
01:06:22,600 --> 01:06:25,040
Speaker 1: Of course, it doesn't help when Paul George scores seven

1226
01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:28,640
Speaker 1: points in Game three, shooting forty percent in the series,

1227
01:06:28,680 --> 01:06:31,560
Speaker 1: thirty percent from Paul George kills you.

1228
01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:32,160
Speaker 8: It does.

1229
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:37,920
Speaker 1: I mean Paul George postseason I now say the same

1230
01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:40,280
Speaker 1: thing over and over. He has glimpses.

1231
01:06:40,560 --> 01:06:44,720
Speaker 8: You know, I've seen this story. I have subscribed to

1232
01:06:44,720 --> 01:06:45,800
Speaker 8: the story for many years.

1233
01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:46,920
Speaker 1: It's the same one.

1234
01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:48,000
Speaker 8: Unfortunately.

1235
01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:50,520
Speaker 7: In fact, somebody just tweeted Emmy and I did laugh.

1236
01:06:50,840 --> 01:06:54,880
Speaker 7: Also put a criyd in Moji. It says nobody Kawhi,

1237
01:06:55,400 --> 01:06:58,439
Speaker 7: what type of employment are you looking for? Full time,

1238
01:06:58,560 --> 01:07:01,840
Speaker 7: part time freelance contra to hire and Kawhi, of course

1239
01:07:01,840 --> 01:07:04,920
Speaker 7: has selected part time freelance contract to hire, but not

1240
01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:05,720
Speaker 7: full time.

1241
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:07,600
Speaker 8: Somebody just tweeted me that, well, what are.

1242
01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:10,360
Speaker 1: You going to do with Paul George? I mean, are

1243
01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:12,800
Speaker 1: you going to give him sixty million a year which

1244
01:07:12,840 --> 01:07:14,640
Speaker 1: is now the going rate to extend his deal?

1245
01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:17,080
Speaker 7: Well, you know what sucks here is that I think

1246
01:07:17,160 --> 01:07:18,880
Speaker 7: Paul George might not even want that.

1247
01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:22,959
Speaker 8: Really, yes, I would be over this. It's the same

1248
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:27,000
Speaker 8: old song and dance. If I'm Paul.

1249
01:07:27,120 --> 01:07:30,320
Speaker 1: He's got a player option for fifty million or whatever

1250
01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:31,720
Speaker 1: it is this year, and you say he's going to

1251
01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:32,240
Speaker 1: opt out.

1252
01:07:32,280 --> 01:07:35,280
Speaker 8: I just feel like I would be over this myself.

1253
01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:37,840
Speaker 1: Yeah. You know what a saying they extended Kawhi's deal.

1254
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:40,640
Speaker 1: The idea was they're going to extend Paul George's deal.

1255
01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:43,080
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, they have it, But they have it,

1256
01:07:43,120 --> 01:07:45,959
Speaker 7: and I can imagine that Paul George is now maybe

1257
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:46,960
Speaker 7: thinking I should.

1258
01:07:46,720 --> 01:07:48,760
Speaker 8: Maybe see where else I.

1259
01:07:48,720 --> 01:07:51,160
Speaker 7: Can go because this has to be frustrating for everybody.

1260
01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:55,479
Speaker 7: Emotions and frustrations are probably high in Philadelphia right now.

1261
01:07:55,520 --> 01:07:58,160
Speaker 7: Between the seventy six Ers and the Knicks. A lot

1262
01:07:58,160 --> 01:08:01,440
Speaker 7: of hard fouls happening right now. Brunson just had a heartfel.

1263
01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:05,400
Speaker 7: The Knicks are up though, ninety three to eighty nine

1264
01:08:05,560 --> 01:08:10,600
Speaker 7: with ninety seconds to go. Jalen Brunson has forty two points.

1265
01:08:10,640 --> 01:08:12,880
Speaker 7: The rest of the team has fifty. In this He's

1266
01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:15,200
Speaker 7: got forty two. He is leading the way forty three

1267
01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:18,840
Speaker 7: now tennis cists. Also, Joel Embiid is the leading scorer

1268
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:22,880
Speaker 7: for Philadelphia with twenty six points, ten rebounds, and six assists. Again,

1269
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:26,240
Speaker 7: ninety seconds to go, Nicks up by four. They lead

1270
01:08:26,280 --> 01:08:29,040
Speaker 7: the series two to one, and we'll see how this

1271
01:08:29,080 --> 01:08:33,000
Speaker 7: one ends. Yes, Clippers, Mavericks, that's happening next. Then after

1272
01:08:33,080 --> 01:08:35,839
Speaker 7: that one, it's the Bucks and the Pacers. No Damian Lillard,

1273
01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:38,800
Speaker 7: no Janna Santetekopo from Milwaukee. And then we end in

1274
01:08:38,840 --> 01:08:41,400
Speaker 7: Phoenix with the Timberwolves trying to complete a sweep of

1275
01:08:41,479 --> 01:08:43,600
Speaker 7: the Suns. That's the last game and it starts at

1276
01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:46,640
Speaker 7: nine thirty pm Eastern time on the ice. Because the

1277
01:08:46,720 --> 01:08:49,439
Speaker 7: NHL is also going through their playoffs. The Jets and

1278
01:08:49,560 --> 01:08:51,680
Speaker 7: Avalanche are tied at one apiece. They just got going

1279
01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:54,840
Speaker 7: in the second period. Colorado leads this series two to one.

1280
01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:57,280
Speaker 7: As we move on to Major League Baseball, where Freddie

1281
01:08:57,280 --> 01:08:59,360
Speaker 7: Freeman has hit a solo shot for the Dodgers, but

1282
01:08:59,360 --> 01:09:01,080
Speaker 7: the Blue Jays are on top three to one.

1283
01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:02,000
Speaker 8: Top of the eighth inning.

1284
01:09:02,320 --> 01:09:04,960
Speaker 7: In Toronto, the Orioles have now taken the lead at

1285
01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:06,760
Speaker 7: home over the A's. It's six ' five top of

1286
01:09:06,760 --> 01:09:09,479
Speaker 7: the seventh. The Guardians have added another run. They're still

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01:09:09,520 --> 01:09:11,719
Speaker 7: beating the Braves three to one. Bottom of the seventh,

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01:09:11,840 --> 01:09:14,360
Speaker 7: Tigers beating the Royals four to one. Bottom of the eighth.

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Speaker 7: It's a tigh game between the Cardinals and the Mets.

1290
01:09:16,560 --> 01:09:19,479
Speaker 7: In New York, Francisco Lindor with another solo shot.

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Speaker 8: It's one to one. They're about to start the eighth inning.

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Speaker 7: The Marlins were up not anymore, Nationals on top, nine

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Speaker 7: to seven.

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01:09:25,400 --> 01:09:26,280
Speaker 8: Top of the sixth.

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01:09:26,439 --> 01:09:29,000
Speaker 7: The Yankees and the Birds are tied in Milwaukee at

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01:09:29,040 --> 01:09:29,559
Speaker 7: four a piece.

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Speaker 8: Bottom of the fifth. The White Sox on top of

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01:09:31,800 --> 01:09:32,840
Speaker 8: the Rays two to one.

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Speaker 7: Top of the seventh, and the Rangers are blanking the Reds.

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01:09:35,880 --> 01:09:37,920
Speaker 8: It's four zero top of the fifth inning.

1301
01:09:38,240 --> 01:09:44,000
Speaker 7: A Rangers player named Wyatt Langford. He hit his first

1302
01:09:44,040 --> 01:09:46,519
Speaker 7: career home run for the Rangers, and it was an

1303
01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:48,439
Speaker 7: inside the parkrodo.

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01:09:48,720 --> 01:09:49,880
Speaker 8: Oh, it was so good.

1305
01:09:50,280 --> 01:09:53,400
Speaker 7: It was a deep, you know, like center right field ball,

1306
01:09:53,439 --> 01:09:55,519
Speaker 7: and it hit the back wall and went hard right

1307
01:09:55,880 --> 01:09:57,240
Speaker 7: and then he was able to score.

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01:09:57,600 --> 01:10:01,040
Speaker 1: We don't get those many as often as back in

1309
01:10:01,040 --> 01:10:01,479
Speaker 1: the day.

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01:10:01,479 --> 01:10:03,360
Speaker 7: Because you could have to misjudge it or like get

1311
01:10:03,439 --> 01:10:04,559
Speaker 7: lucky of bad bounce.

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Speaker 1: So I could have had one. Yesterday, Mookie Betts hit

1313
01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:09,479
Speaker 1: a line drive to center and open the game for

1314
01:10:09,560 --> 01:10:13,320
Speaker 1: the Dodgers. Centerfielder went for the diving catch Vashu and

1315
01:10:13,479 --> 01:10:16,120
Speaker 1: it went right under him to the wall. Yeah, ended

1316
01:10:16,160 --> 01:10:16,799
Speaker 1: up a triple.

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01:10:16,840 --> 01:10:19,320
Speaker 8: But yeah, Liz hit the wall and went hard right

1318
01:10:19,439 --> 01:10:21,320
Speaker 8: on the way to the corner. It was like worst

1319
01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:22,040
Speaker 8: case scenario.

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Speaker 1: Nothing more exciting, nothing more exciting, everything more exciting. All right, Well, Manzie,

1321
01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:29,800
Speaker 1: thank you very much. We got more with you coming

1322
01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:34,400
Speaker 1: up a little bit later on. Once again we are here

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Speaker 1: in the Fox Sports Radio Tirek dot Com studios. I

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Speaker 1: want to remember the movie Air that came out last year.

1325
01:10:43,880 --> 01:10:47,280
Speaker 1: My dear friend Sonny Vacero. The story was about him

1326
01:10:47,360 --> 01:10:51,000
Speaker 1: and his days at Nike. Great movie, by the way,

1327
01:10:51,040 --> 01:10:54,040
Speaker 1: Ben Affleck and Matt Damon did a tremendous shot with

1328
01:10:54,080 --> 01:10:58,120
Speaker 1: that movie. Viola Davis played the mother of Michael Jordan,

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01:10:59,120 --> 01:11:02,680
Speaker 1: and Sonny had told me this years ago that the

1330
01:11:02,680 --> 01:11:06,040
Speaker 1: deal that Michael Jordan got was simply based on his

1331
01:11:06,200 --> 01:11:08,760
Speaker 1: mother's demands that if we're going to do a deal

1332
01:11:08,800 --> 01:11:11,320
Speaker 1: with Nike, which at the time was not doing, you know,

1333
01:11:11,479 --> 01:11:14,360
Speaker 1: they weren't the big shoe company in terms of the NBA,

1334
01:11:15,160 --> 01:11:17,360
Speaker 1: that if you're going to put my son's name on

1335
01:11:17,400 --> 01:11:20,400
Speaker 1: the shoe, then he gets a stake in the sale

1336
01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:24,200
Speaker 1: of the shoe. And the reason I'm mentioning this is

1337
01:11:24,200 --> 01:11:28,720
Speaker 1: is that Sonny Vicco is calling out the representatives of

1338
01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:33,160
Speaker 1: Caitlin Clark saying they blew it. You should have held

1339
01:11:33,360 --> 01:11:39,240
Speaker 1: Nike to the same deal that Michael Jordan got. And

1340
01:11:39,280 --> 01:11:42,360
Speaker 1: that's how much he believes in the fact that Caitlin Clark,

1341
01:11:42,400 --> 01:11:45,040
Speaker 1: as he was the one that told Phil Knight at Nike,

1342
01:11:46,360 --> 01:11:50,000
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan is different than any other player. No one

1343
01:11:50,040 --> 01:11:55,000
Speaker 1: else saw it. He saw it. He's a game changer.

1344
01:11:55,680 --> 01:11:59,360
Speaker 1: He is a generational talent and it's going to be

1345
01:11:59,520 --> 01:12:02,640
Speaker 1: on full display in the NBA. And obviously he was

1346
01:12:02,680 --> 01:12:06,960
Speaker 1: absolutely right. He believes that Caitlyn Clark is going to

1347
01:12:07,080 --> 01:12:11,960
Speaker 1: have the same impact in the game of basketball, maybe

1348
01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:14,840
Speaker 1: not to that extreme level, but the same kind of

1349
01:12:14,920 --> 01:12:20,640
Speaker 1: impact when it comes to her professional basketball career, and

1350
01:12:20,680 --> 01:12:25,360
Speaker 1: that she should, with her signature shoe, have a financial

1351
01:12:25,479 --> 01:12:29,400
Speaker 1: stake in the selling of that shoe. My question is

1352
01:12:29,400 --> 01:12:34,160
Speaker 1: this rich? How many? Because you know how it is

1353
01:12:34,200 --> 01:12:37,720
Speaker 1: with the Jordan brand and it has never stopped just

1354
01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:40,960
Speaker 1: the idea of collecting Jordan's shoes, which is what a

1355
01:12:40,960 --> 01:12:43,360
Speaker 1: lot of people do five six, seven, eight hundred dollars

1356
01:12:43,439 --> 01:12:46,679
Speaker 1: whatever these shoes are these days. Do you think Kaitlyn

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01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:54,679
Speaker 1: Clark's shoe will be bought by young boyce men as

1358
01:12:54,760 --> 01:12:57,559
Speaker 1: signature shoes? Do you think she has that kind of

1359
01:12:58,120 --> 01:12:59,919
Speaker 1: crossover appeal?

1360
01:13:00,840 --> 01:13:06,200
Speaker 2: Not likely, but could I see a possibility if enough

1361
01:13:06,360 --> 01:13:11,200
Speaker 2: star athletes, like if enough star male athletes wear her

1362
01:13:11,240 --> 01:13:16,560
Speaker 2: shoe and make it cool. That's the thing about influencers,

1363
01:13:16,600 --> 01:13:20,479
Speaker 2: and that word has become bastardized a little bit, but

1364
01:13:21,920 --> 01:13:26,400
Speaker 2: an influencer essentially means somebody who actually has influence, you know,

1365
01:13:26,520 --> 01:13:30,040
Speaker 2: like Kim Kardashian if she wears a pair of Kaitlyn

1366
01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:32,519
Speaker 2: Clark shoes, or Taylor Swift if she wears a pair

1367
01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:34,160
Speaker 2: of Kaitlyn Clark shoes.

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01:13:34,479 --> 01:13:35,680
Speaker 1: Obviously there's going to.

1369
01:13:35,640 --> 01:13:41,160
Speaker 2: Be hordes and hordes of girls and well, I should say,

1370
01:13:41,400 --> 01:13:44,920
Speaker 2: Kardashian and Swift fans running out to stores to get

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01:13:44,920 --> 01:13:48,480
Speaker 2: themselves a pair of these shoes. Because they are true influencers,

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Speaker 2: They influence and impact people's lives based on, you know,

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01:13:52,040 --> 01:13:54,759
Speaker 2: what they choose to do. Other people want to choose

1374
01:13:54,760 --> 01:13:58,200
Speaker 2: to do the same things. So from that standpoint, you

1375
01:13:58,240 --> 01:14:04,479
Speaker 2: would need a male figure as influential as a Kim

1376
01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:08,719
Speaker 2: Kardashian or Taylor Swift to back it. To get men

1377
01:14:08,960 --> 01:14:13,080
Speaker 2: interested or boys interest interested. Lebron James comes to mind,

1378
01:14:13,560 --> 01:14:16,880
Speaker 2: you know, superstar like a Patrick Mahomes comes to mind.

1379
01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:20,880
Speaker 2: Maybe Travis Kelcey because there's crossover appeal there too.

1380
01:14:21,439 --> 01:14:23,840
Speaker 1: You know, there's there's there's.

1381
01:14:23,720 --> 01:14:26,840
Speaker 2: Certain people who I think right now are so in

1382
01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:31,080
Speaker 2: control of the zeitgeist that they could actually make that impact.

1383
01:14:31,160 --> 01:14:33,200
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm not I don't.

1384
01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:35,480
Speaker 2: Think it's likely, but I think there is a possibility

1385
01:14:35,479 --> 01:14:36,639
Speaker 2: for crossover interest.

1386
01:14:37,280 --> 01:14:40,200
Speaker 1: Actually I was talking to Bo about this, so i'n

1387
01:14:40,200 --> 01:14:43,800
Speaker 1: to ask you, Sabrina her shoes. Now, well, look, can

1388
01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:46,160
Speaker 1: I have a Mansi's mic on for a second? Here?

1389
01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:50,519
Speaker 1: Are there a lot of players on the men's side

1390
01:14:51,360 --> 01:14:52,280
Speaker 1: digging her shoes?

1391
01:14:52,439 --> 01:14:54,280
Speaker 8: Yes, Bo and I were talking about this.

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01:14:54,479 --> 01:14:57,400
Speaker 7: I just bought a pair of Sabrina Unescu shoes. If

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01:14:57,479 --> 01:15:00,280
Speaker 7: he's like, yeah, a lot of like NBA players use

1394
01:15:00,320 --> 01:15:02,400
Speaker 7: her shoe. She has a lot of good reviews that

1395
01:15:02,439 --> 01:15:04,960
Speaker 7: they're very good for playing and they're comfortable.

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01:15:05,240 --> 01:15:06,320
Speaker 8: And so that's why.

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01:15:06,160 --> 01:15:10,639
Speaker 7: I think Caitlyn Clark will succeed, because it's already happened

1398
01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:11,240
Speaker 7: with Sabrina.

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Speaker 8: That's why.

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01:15:13,600 --> 01:15:16,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I say, as great a players, Sabrina is,

1401
01:15:16,479 --> 01:15:19,360
Speaker 1: we're talking next level. I don't know what about this, Bo,

1402
01:15:19,479 --> 01:15:21,680
Speaker 1: Are you a believer that you're going to see a

1403
01:15:21,720 --> 01:15:25,559
Speaker 1: lot of guys opting for the Caitlin Clark shoe?

1404
01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:27,240
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think so. I think you'll see guys on

1405
01:15:27,280 --> 01:15:28,280
Speaker 9: the Pacers wear them.

1406
01:15:28,240 --> 01:15:29,599
Speaker 8: Because oh that's a good one.

1407
01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:31,920
Speaker 9: Like Halibert for sure is going to wear her shoe.

1408
01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:33,280
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, she was just at their game.

1409
01:15:33,479 --> 01:15:36,679
Speaker 9: Yeah, we'll see. I mean, we we can't see the future,

1410
01:15:36,680 --> 01:15:39,000
Speaker 9: but I mean there's no reason waive that Caitlin Clark's

1411
01:15:39,040 --> 01:15:41,120
Speaker 9: popular is going to go down, right, That's.

1412
01:15:40,920 --> 01:15:41,760
Speaker 8: A good way to put it.

1413
01:15:41,840 --> 01:15:44,880
Speaker 7: And obviously the look matters like Sabrina and Escu's shoe.

1414
01:15:45,240 --> 01:15:47,400
Speaker 8: The shoe looks.

1415
01:15:47,160 --> 01:15:50,880
Speaker 7: Good, just aesthetically, it looks good. Yeah, so that that's

1416
01:15:50,920 --> 01:15:52,439
Speaker 7: going to matter. I don't think a guy's gonna want

1417
01:15:52,439 --> 01:15:52,720
Speaker 7: to wear a.

1418
01:15:52,680 --> 01:15:54,280
Speaker 1: Shoe well, I mean that, And that gets back to

1419
01:15:54,320 --> 01:15:57,519
Speaker 1: what you're talking about. Rich. If you can get you know, men,

1420
01:15:58,479 --> 01:16:03,719
Speaker 1: male stars, whether they're in the athletic venue or entertainment venue,

1421
01:16:03,800 --> 01:16:06,799
Speaker 1: that all of a sudden are sporting Caitlin Clark's shoes,

1422
01:16:07,280 --> 01:16:09,599
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden they could take off in

1423
01:16:09,640 --> 01:16:12,120
Speaker 1: a wild way. All right, it'll be very interesting. But

1424
01:16:12,160 --> 01:16:15,040
Speaker 1: to hear Sonny talk about, yeah, they short changed or

1425
01:16:15,040 --> 01:16:17,840
Speaker 1: they should have cut a Michael jordan Es type deal

1426
01:16:17,880 --> 01:16:21,479
Speaker 1: with Nike. Coming from a guy like Sonny certainly to

1427
01:16:21,520 --> 01:16:24,360
Speaker 1: be listened to. All right. Coming up on the other side,

1428
01:16:25,160 --> 01:16:28,519
Speaker 1: we'll talk more about these NBA playoffs and a team

1429
01:16:28,680 --> 01:16:33,920
Speaker 1: emerging that are they as good as advertised? We'll talk

1430
01:16:33,960 --> 01:16:37,680
Speaker 1: about it. This is Fox Sports Sunday, Steve Harvey, Rich Horberger,

1431
01:16:37,760 --> 01:16:41,880
Speaker 1: Fox Sports Sunday. We are live from the TAIRAQ dot

1432
01:16:41,920 --> 01:16:45,519
Speaker 1: com studios. All right, so the Nicks have the lead

1433
01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:47,599
Speaker 1: right now, trying to take a three to one series

1434
01:16:47,680 --> 01:16:53,799
Speaker 1: lead over Philadelphia. The Bucks are in deep trouble, already

1435
01:16:53,840 --> 01:16:57,000
Speaker 1: down to one in their series against the Pacers. No Yoannis,

1436
01:16:57,040 --> 01:17:00,360
Speaker 1: no dame. That does not bow to well for them,

1437
01:17:00,880 --> 01:17:03,880
Speaker 1: No so. And then you got the Cavs and Magic.

1438
01:17:03,920 --> 01:17:07,080
Speaker 1: They're tied up to to They will be the next

1439
01:17:07,080 --> 01:17:10,599
Speaker 1: opponent the winner of that series against the Celtics, unless

1440
01:17:10,600 --> 01:17:13,639
Speaker 1: the Celtics completely discombobulate like they did in Game two

1441
01:17:13,680 --> 01:17:16,680
Speaker 1: of their series against the Heat Miami, just dropping all

1442
01:17:16,720 --> 01:17:21,080
Speaker 1: those three point shots. Jimmy Butler, by the way, who

1443
01:17:21,320 --> 01:17:25,000
Speaker 1: is Moncey's all time favorite, and he was sporting the

1444
01:17:25,800 --> 01:17:28,519
Speaker 1: what was that look as he was watching the game,

1445
01:17:28,680 --> 01:17:30,960
Speaker 1: Moncey's mike open there, thank you very much.

1446
01:17:31,000 --> 01:17:34,800
Speaker 7: He had like two pigtails, but it was like his

1447
01:17:34,840 --> 01:17:37,320
Speaker 7: whole head and they were like two little puffy.

1448
01:17:37,560 --> 01:17:38,200
Speaker 1: To a puffy.

1449
01:17:38,400 --> 01:17:39,120
Speaker 8: Yeah.

1450
01:17:38,920 --> 01:17:39,120
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1451
01:17:39,120 --> 01:17:40,559
Speaker 8: I was like, how do you not love that man?

1452
01:17:40,760 --> 01:17:44,800
Speaker 1: Yeah? Well, okay, I admire his game. I don't know about love.

1453
01:17:44,840 --> 01:17:45,200
Speaker 1: That's a lot.

1454
01:17:45,280 --> 01:17:46,240
Speaker 3: We love that man.

1455
01:17:46,960 --> 01:17:49,519
Speaker 1: But I mean, the Celtics really rich, are are in

1456
01:17:49,800 --> 01:17:55,320
Speaker 1: a position to slide comfortably into the NBA Finals. And

1457
01:17:55,479 --> 01:17:57,719
Speaker 1: this is a team that's been in the Eastern Conference

1458
01:17:57,720 --> 01:18:01,000
Speaker 1: Finals for the last five years and they haven't won

1459
01:18:01,040 --> 01:18:04,400
Speaker 1: a championship yet. No, and you feel like, all right,

1460
01:18:04,439 --> 01:18:06,800
Speaker 1: this is a team that was by far the best

1461
01:18:06,800 --> 01:18:09,040
Speaker 1: team in the NBA this year during the regular season.

1462
01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:13,360
Speaker 1: If they don't get it done this year, then the

1463
01:18:13,680 --> 01:18:15,599
Speaker 1: question is are they ever going to get it done?

1464
01:18:15,680 --> 01:18:18,160
Speaker 1: I mean, to me, I'm watching the Western Conference. I mean,

1465
01:18:18,200 --> 01:18:21,240
Speaker 1: when you think about the next round matchups in Western Conference,

1466
01:18:21,240 --> 01:18:23,720
Speaker 1: the way OKC and Minnesota are playing, you have the

1467
01:18:23,800 --> 01:18:27,280
Speaker 1: Nuggets winners of that Clippers MAVs series. Again, if Kawhi

1468
01:18:27,400 --> 01:18:31,720
Speaker 1: is not healthy, probably it will be the MAVs. I

1469
01:18:31,800 --> 01:18:35,120
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, I I are in your opinion.

1470
01:18:35,200 --> 01:18:38,280
Speaker 1: Are the Celtics as good as their record or is

1471
01:18:38,320 --> 01:18:44,960
Speaker 1: their record more a product of an inferior clientele in

1472
01:18:45,040 --> 01:18:48,120
Speaker 1: the Eastern Conference? Opponent level of opponent?

1473
01:18:48,320 --> 01:18:50,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, I could, I could see that argument, and the

1474
01:18:50,479 --> 01:18:54,599
Speaker 2: answer is probably yes. Probably yes, that their record has

1475
01:18:54,640 --> 01:18:57,599
Speaker 2: been largely influenced by who they played, because how could

1476
01:18:57,600 --> 01:18:58,200
Speaker 2: it not be.

1477
01:18:59,760 --> 01:19:04,280
Speaker 1: But look, just because Clemson plays in the ACC.

1478
01:19:04,680 --> 01:19:07,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I know we're talking about college football here,

1479
01:19:07,520 --> 01:19:09,719
Speaker 2: does that mean that they can't win a national title

1480
01:19:09,800 --> 01:19:11,479
Speaker 2: when it's all said and done.

1481
01:19:11,479 --> 01:19:13,120
Speaker 1: The answer is, of course it doesn't.

1482
01:19:13,200 --> 01:19:18,160
Speaker 2: They have you know, so it doesn't necessarily matter what

1483
01:19:18,920 --> 01:19:22,400
Speaker 2: teams you want against. You could still be independently great

1484
01:19:22,479 --> 01:19:24,599
Speaker 2: from that conference that you play in. And that could

1485
01:19:24,680 --> 01:19:27,080
Speaker 2: be the case for the Celtics. And I'm willing to

1486
01:19:27,120 --> 01:19:30,639
Speaker 2: make the argument. I'm game because I mean I first

1487
01:19:30,680 --> 01:19:33,920
Speaker 2: of all, I look at the East. Whoever emerges from

1488
01:19:33,920 --> 01:19:39,200
Speaker 2: this Cleveland Magic matchup? Yeah, I mean the Boston Celtics

1489
01:19:39,200 --> 01:19:41,360
Speaker 2: will blow the doors off of either of those two

1490
01:19:41,360 --> 01:19:44,519
Speaker 2: teams in my opinion. And then when you start really

1491
01:19:44,560 --> 01:19:48,559
Speaker 2: squinting and looking what their future opponent might look like,

1492
01:19:48,640 --> 01:19:52,000
Speaker 2: if they get through Cleveland or Orlando.

1493
01:19:51,800 --> 01:19:54,280
Speaker 1: It most likely be the Knicks in the Eastern Conference

1494
01:19:54,320 --> 01:19:55,519
Speaker 1: finals without Randall.

1495
01:19:55,760 --> 01:19:58,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. Yeah, with that Julius Randall. So like,

1496
01:19:58,720 --> 01:20:02,160
Speaker 2: whether it's the Bucks or it's the Knicks, I guess, well,

1497
01:20:02,280 --> 01:20:05,160
Speaker 2: the Bucks are down. Yeah, if it's the Pacers of

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Speaker 2: the Knicks, it's most likely going to be the Knicks.

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Speaker 2: But either of those teams, again, I think they get

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Speaker 2: the W So, look, is it a cakewalk. No, I'm

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01:20:15,880 --> 01:20:19,400
Speaker 2: sure they'll be challenged. They've lost a game to the

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01:20:19,400 --> 01:20:22,679
Speaker 2: Heat here. It took a herculean effort from the Heat

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01:20:22,720 --> 01:20:24,680
Speaker 2: to lose that game, or to win that game, I

1504
01:20:24,680 --> 01:20:27,840
Speaker 2: should say. But yeah, I'm very curious to see what

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01:20:27,880 --> 01:20:30,599
Speaker 2: the Celtics look like against the West because, like you said,

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01:20:30,960 --> 01:20:33,599
Speaker 2: the competition I don't think reflects how good they are.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I still not a believer. I watch these Western

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01:20:37,680 --> 01:20:40,360
Speaker 1: Conference playoff series and to me, there are a number

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01:20:40,400 --> 01:20:42,160
Speaker 1: of teams I think they could beat the Celtics in

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01:20:42,200 --> 01:20:44,800
Speaker 1: the best of seven series. All right, coming back more

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Speaker 1: on the NFL Draft aftermath and some MLB talk as well.

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Speaker 1: we have two Heisman Trophy winners taken at the top

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Speaker 1: of the draft. We did have it recently, though, Jameis

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01:21:24,000 --> 01:21:28,080
Speaker 1: Winston and Marcus Mariota were the top two picks in

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01:21:28,120 --> 01:21:31,720
Speaker 1: that draft. Neither one of those guys is destined for

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01:21:31,760 --> 01:21:36,559
Speaker 1: the Pro Football Hall of Fame. They had moments, but

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01:21:36,680 --> 01:21:39,400
Speaker 1: nothing really beyond that. And let me ask you this,

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01:21:39,439 --> 01:21:42,800
Speaker 1: because we've been focusing on on the Panick situation and

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01:21:43,280 --> 01:21:46,240
Speaker 1: you know, JJ McCarthy, and we sort of lost sight

1527
01:21:46,320 --> 01:21:48,000
Speaker 1: of the fact that the top two picks in this

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Speaker 1: draft were as ordered, Caleb Williams the twenty twenty two

1529
01:21:52,560 --> 01:21:56,200
Speaker 1: Heisman Trophy winner, Jaden Danis the twenty twenty three Heisman

1530
01:21:56,240 --> 01:21:59,960
Speaker 1: Trophy winner. I want you on the record, Rich Ornberg,

1531
01:22:00,360 --> 01:22:07,240
Speaker 1: go ahead predicting right now, who will have the better

1532
01:22:07,479 --> 01:22:11,400
Speaker 1: NFL career with the team that they were drafted by.

1533
01:22:12,720 --> 01:22:17,560
Speaker 1: Caleb Williams with the Bears, Jayde Daniels with the Commanders.

1534
01:22:17,640 --> 01:22:22,040
Speaker 1: Which one will have the better run? Wow?

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01:22:23,640 --> 01:22:27,200
Speaker 2: Not easy, I know, and you know you know how

1536
01:22:27,200 --> 01:22:29,840
Speaker 2: I feel about the draft until you get to see

1537
01:22:29,840 --> 01:22:33,720
Speaker 2: these guys play and not just their rookie year.

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01:22:34,200 --> 01:22:36,960
Speaker 1: Obviously, if Caleb.

1539
01:22:36,720 --> 01:22:41,760
Speaker 2: Williams and Jayden Daniels both play out their entirety of

1540
01:22:41,920 --> 01:22:50,519
Speaker 2: their careers in these given franchises, good or bad, it

1541
01:22:50,560 --> 01:22:51,360
Speaker 2: doesn't matter.

1542
01:22:51,120 --> 01:22:51,880
Speaker 1: How it works out.

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01:22:51,920 --> 01:22:54,599
Speaker 2: You should not judge any player by just one year

1544
01:22:54,680 --> 01:22:59,680
Speaker 2: because look at the myriad of players who've you know,

1545
01:23:00,120 --> 01:23:02,600
Speaker 2: had a successful rookie campaign and then they kind of

1546
01:23:02,600 --> 01:23:05,400
Speaker 2: flamed out in the NFL RG three.

1547
01:23:05,600 --> 01:23:06,599
Speaker 1: It's a good example.

1548
01:23:06,720 --> 01:23:11,639
Speaker 2: There have been others, and so that's not a fair acumen.

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01:23:11,720 --> 01:23:13,479
Speaker 2: Even so, you have to wait a couple of years

1550
01:23:13,479 --> 01:23:16,840
Speaker 2: into their NFL careers to even adjudicate this. And I

1551
01:23:16,880 --> 01:23:19,439
Speaker 2: know I'm stalling, and I know I haven't answered your question.

1552
01:23:20,400 --> 01:23:23,479
Speaker 2: If I had to choose one player who I think

1553
01:23:23,600 --> 01:23:28,439
Speaker 2: projects better than the other, it's Jaden Daniels, and just

1554
01:23:28,760 --> 01:23:31,720
Speaker 2: I just look at his skill set. I look at

1555
01:23:31,760 --> 01:23:34,599
Speaker 2: his skill set as one that can get him out

1556
01:23:34,640 --> 01:23:38,799
Speaker 2: of trouble. So when a rookie quarterback gets into trouble mentally,

1557
01:23:39,320 --> 01:23:40,360
Speaker 2: what are his options?

1558
01:23:40,640 --> 01:23:41,080
Speaker 1: All Right?

1559
01:23:41,840 --> 01:23:45,800
Speaker 2: I can throw the ball away, I can try to

1560
01:23:45,960 --> 01:23:49,000
Speaker 2: force the ball into a spot it's not supposed to go.

1561
01:23:49,800 --> 01:23:52,240
Speaker 1: Or I can run out of I can run away

1562
01:23:52,240 --> 01:23:53,200
Speaker 1: from my problems.

1563
01:23:54,120 --> 01:23:58,080
Speaker 2: Caleb Williams can do that, but Jaden Daniels does it better.

1564
01:23:58,680 --> 01:24:03,879
Speaker 2: He is a superior athlete. So if I was tasked

1565
01:24:03,920 --> 01:24:07,000
Speaker 2: with selecting which one I think projects better at the

1566
01:24:07,040 --> 01:24:10,320
Speaker 2: next level, it's the guy who I think has some

1567
01:24:10,320 --> 01:24:14,920
Speaker 2: some tremendous pocket presence. He's not good against pressure, he

1568
01:24:14,960 --> 01:24:20,040
Speaker 2: has some he's improved from his year two years ago

1569
01:24:19,840 --> 01:24:23,679
Speaker 2: to his year this past season. He's improved, but he's

1570
01:24:23,680 --> 01:24:26,559
Speaker 2: not great against pressure, but he throws a great deep

1571
01:24:26,600 --> 01:24:27,679
Speaker 2: ball from the pocket.

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Speaker 1: He's a good improviser. You know, he's pretty light on.

1573
01:24:30,800 --> 01:24:33,280
Speaker 2: His feet when he gets outside the pocket. He can

1574
01:24:33,320 --> 01:24:37,640
Speaker 2: connect with players downfield, short, intermediate, long way down the

1575
01:24:37,640 --> 01:24:40,840
Speaker 2: field when he's improvising outside the pocket. But the most

1576
01:24:40,920 --> 01:24:43,760
Speaker 2: impressive part of his game is when he takes off

1577
01:24:43,800 --> 01:24:44,799
Speaker 2: and runs the football.

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01:24:45,040 --> 01:24:48,280
Speaker 1: He can score from absolutely anywhere on the field.

1579
01:24:48,320 --> 01:24:51,680
Speaker 2: And you know, I feel like, in terms of quarterbacks

1580
01:24:51,760 --> 01:24:55,839
Speaker 2: these days, that's not a requirement, but it's getting closer

1581
01:24:55,880 --> 01:24:58,840
Speaker 2: and closer every year to becoming one. So I like

1582
01:24:58,960 --> 01:25:01,599
Speaker 2: Jaden Daniels right now in terms of how he projects

1583
01:25:01,600 --> 01:25:02,160
Speaker 2: long term.

1584
01:25:02,240 --> 01:25:05,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting when I mentioned back in the twenty

1585
01:25:05,400 --> 01:25:08,280
Speaker 1: fifteen draft when Winston was the one first pick of

1586
01:25:08,360 --> 01:25:13,639
Speaker 1: Mariota was the second pick. They both played five years

1587
01:25:13,640 --> 01:25:18,240
Speaker 1: with their team they drafted by exactly five years. Yeah,

1588
01:25:18,280 --> 01:25:22,799
Speaker 1: so Winston played five years with the Buccaneers and Mariota

1589
01:25:22,840 --> 01:25:25,840
Speaker 1: played five years with the Titans. Yep, and then they

1590
01:25:25,880 --> 01:25:31,640
Speaker 1: were gone. And I agree with you on Daniels. I

1591
01:25:31,680 --> 01:25:34,720
Speaker 1: think Daniels is in a better situation with the Commanders

1592
01:25:34,800 --> 01:25:38,240
Speaker 1: right now, at least initially, than Caleb Williams is with

1593
01:25:38,320 --> 01:25:42,880
Speaker 1: the Bears. Obviously, the Bears history with quarterbacks is good disastrous.

1594
01:25:44,080 --> 01:25:46,479
Speaker 1: But that being said, I like the fact that the

1595
01:25:46,520 --> 01:25:50,559
Speaker 1: Bears with that ninth pick took O'doonze, who I think

1596
01:25:50,640 --> 01:25:53,960
Speaker 1: is a big time talent at wide receiver. I don't

1597
01:25:53,960 --> 01:25:56,759
Speaker 1: know if he's like Harrison or Neighbors, but he's pretty

1598
01:25:56,840 --> 01:26:00,880
Speaker 1: darn close. He's a talent. So I think that there's

1599
01:26:00,920 --> 01:26:05,040
Speaker 1: there's an opportunity there. But I mean the problem is

1600
01:26:05,360 --> 01:26:09,479
Speaker 1: when we look at Heisman Trophy winners just in general,

1601
01:26:09,880 --> 01:26:14,720
Speaker 1: it's not really great track record, especially for quarterbacks. You know,

1602
01:26:14,920 --> 01:26:19,080
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow looks like he might break that cycle, but

1603
01:26:19,720 --> 01:26:22,519
Speaker 1: he's been getting hurt and he may be one of

1604
01:26:22,520 --> 01:26:24,680
Speaker 1: those guys and they say, oh man, it could have

1605
01:26:24,760 --> 01:26:27,559
Speaker 1: been if he just had been able to stay healthy.

1606
01:26:28,240 --> 01:26:31,400
Speaker 1: You look at Baker Mayfield, you look at Kyler Murray.

1607
01:26:31,600 --> 01:26:35,439
Speaker 1: I mean these are Lamar Jackson is obviously another Heisman

1608
01:26:35,479 --> 01:26:43,000
Speaker 1: Trophy winner. How many championships that's zero? Yep? Yeah, So

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01:26:43,800 --> 01:26:48,400
Speaker 1: I I want I would love to as I don't know,

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01:26:48,479 --> 01:26:49,800
Speaker 1: I don't know if you know this. I have a

1611
01:26:49,840 --> 01:26:54,560
Speaker 1: Heisman vote so but but no, My point is I

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01:26:54,600 --> 01:26:57,920
Speaker 1: would love to see one of these Heisman Trophy winning

1613
01:26:58,000 --> 01:27:03,800
Speaker 1: quarterbacks make I mean, Rogers Staubach won two Super Bowls,

1614
01:27:03,840 --> 01:27:07,200
Speaker 1: won the Heisman. Jim Plunkett won the Heisman, he won

1615
01:27:07,240 --> 01:27:09,920
Speaker 1: a couple of super Bowls. Right, I want to see that.

1616
01:27:10,160 --> 01:27:13,040
Speaker 1: I want to see sort of a justification because I

1617
01:27:13,080 --> 01:27:19,160
Speaker 1: get tired as an enthusiastic fan of the Heisman Trophy

1618
01:27:19,479 --> 01:27:22,880
Speaker 1: when people say, well, that's that awards meaningless. I mean

1619
01:27:22,920 --> 01:27:26,599
Speaker 1: they look at the Gino Trettis, look at the Troy Smiths,

1620
01:27:26,640 --> 01:27:29,479
Speaker 1: look at the Chris Winks of the world. Come on,

1621
01:27:30,080 --> 01:27:32,559
Speaker 1: none of these guys win. So I'm hoping both of

1622
01:27:32,600 --> 01:27:38,240
Speaker 1: these guys have success. They have the talent. But as

1623
01:27:38,320 --> 01:27:41,639
Speaker 1: you know better than anyone in this league. I've always

1624
01:27:41,640 --> 01:27:44,800
Speaker 1: said this, if you had been drafted by any team

1625
01:27:44,920 --> 01:27:48,400
Speaker 1: other than New England Patriots, I would be attending your

1626
01:27:48,439 --> 01:27:53,360
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame ceremony. That's true. They really sunk me.

1627
01:27:53,840 --> 01:27:57,000
Speaker 1: I just you were doomed from the get go to

1628
01:27:57,080 --> 01:28:00,200
Speaker 1: be part of that kind of an organization. I mean,

1629
01:28:00,280 --> 01:28:03,640
Speaker 1: had you ended up with you know, the Carolina Panthers,

1630
01:28:03,920 --> 01:28:06,400
Speaker 1: I mean I maybe I would have been your presenter.

1631
01:28:06,560 --> 01:28:08,720
Speaker 1: How a different Hall of Fame, how different life could

1632
01:28:08,760 --> 01:28:13,960
Speaker 1: have been. Yes, but it's it's just it's interesting, and

1633
01:28:14,280 --> 01:28:19,080
Speaker 1: again it does the idea of equating professional success in

1634
01:28:19,240 --> 01:28:21,439
Speaker 1: terms of whether or not you were deserving a winning

1635
01:28:21,439 --> 01:28:24,800
Speaker 1: the icemand Trophy is ridiculous. College football, pro football, two

1636
01:28:24,800 --> 01:28:27,840
Speaker 1: different games, two different sports. As we have seen over

1637
01:28:27,880 --> 01:28:30,520
Speaker 1: the years. I used Ti Depmer as an example constantly

1638
01:28:30,520 --> 01:28:32,840
Speaker 1: one of the great college quarterbacks of all time, high

1639
01:28:32,840 --> 01:28:36,280
Speaker 1: school winners. So I'm anxious, but I agree with you

1640
01:28:36,320 --> 01:28:39,040
Speaker 1: on the Jadan Daniels angle on this thing. I think

1641
01:28:39,120 --> 01:28:42,559
Speaker 1: that he has a much better situation, at least out

1642
01:28:42,560 --> 01:28:44,120
Speaker 1: of the box with this commander's team.

1643
01:28:44,479 --> 01:28:49,519
Speaker 2: So also, when you think about the profile, right, he's

1644
01:28:49,560 --> 01:28:53,720
Speaker 2: going to Caleb Williams to a team with Matt Iberflus,

1645
01:28:53,840 --> 01:28:56,360
Speaker 2: who it sort of feels like if it doesn't go

1646
01:28:57,000 --> 01:29:00,839
Speaker 2: really well this season, are they really all that thrilled

1647
01:29:00,840 --> 01:29:04,000
Speaker 2: with Matt Everflus or how it's gone so far. He's

1648
01:29:04,080 --> 01:29:08,040
Speaker 2: survived the Justin Fields era, but are they gonna give

1649
01:29:08,120 --> 01:29:11,400
Speaker 2: him more than a year if things are If Kayleb

1650
01:29:11,439 --> 01:29:14,360
Speaker 2: Williams comes out of the box and he's not absolutely

1651
01:29:14,520 --> 01:29:18,519
Speaker 2: taking the NFL by storm. I feel like that's another

1652
01:29:18,640 --> 01:29:20,600
Speaker 2: aspect of this that you have to look at is

1653
01:29:20,920 --> 01:29:23,800
Speaker 2: the Bear's front office. The Bears, there could be a

1654
01:29:23,840 --> 01:29:28,519
Speaker 2: wholesale regime change at the start of Caleb Williams's career,

1655
01:29:29,600 --> 01:29:32,479
Speaker 2: and it's really predicated on how he performs, and so

1656
01:29:32,600 --> 01:29:35,719
Speaker 2: that's a lot of pressure. Yeah, you look at Jayden Daniels.

1657
01:29:35,720 --> 01:29:39,960
Speaker 2: They just hired their new head coach, dan Quinn. Dan Quinn,

1658
01:29:40,000 --> 01:29:42,640
Speaker 2: I mean he watched the rise of Russell Wilson as

1659
01:29:42,680 --> 01:29:46,759
Speaker 2: a defensive coordinator with the Seattle Seahawks. Dan Quinn has helped,

1660
01:29:47,120 --> 01:29:51,880
Speaker 2: you know, gentrify the the Dallas Cowboys defensively. And then

1661
01:29:52,120 --> 01:29:54,040
Speaker 2: I think he's gonna give a lot of rope to

1662
01:29:54,280 --> 01:29:57,320
Speaker 2: Cliff Kingsbury, whose offensive coordinator just hired.

1663
01:29:57,680 --> 01:29:59,120
Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury turned.

1664
01:29:59,000 --> 01:30:04,719
Speaker 2: A very multiple athlete quarterback into a Pro bowler during

1665
01:30:04,760 --> 01:30:07,720
Speaker 2: his time as the head coach of the Arizona Cardinals. Now,

1666
01:30:07,760 --> 01:30:09,639
Speaker 2: obviously it didn't work out for him at the head

1667
01:30:09,680 --> 01:30:12,880
Speaker 2: coaching position, but you know, you take the pressure off.

1668
01:30:12,920 --> 01:30:15,840
Speaker 2: He's now the offensive coordinator. Dan Quinn a steady hand

1669
01:30:15,840 --> 01:30:19,439
Speaker 2: at the tiller and like I said, with more leash

1670
01:30:19,920 --> 01:30:25,320
Speaker 2: going to be afforded this regime, Whereas in Chicago, if

1671
01:30:25,400 --> 01:30:29,200
Speaker 2: Jaden Daniels struggles in Washington, you could rest assured that

1672
01:30:29,880 --> 01:30:33,000
Speaker 2: Dan Quinn and Cliff Kingsbury and the whole gang's going

1673
01:30:33,080 --> 01:30:38,240
Speaker 2: to be back in twenty twenty five. If Caleb Williams struggles,

1674
01:30:38,600 --> 01:30:41,400
Speaker 2: like I mean, if he has not even significant struggles,

1675
01:30:41,439 --> 01:30:43,799
Speaker 2: but if he doesn't look quite right, if he doesn't

1676
01:30:43,840 --> 01:30:47,960
Speaker 2: look like he looked at USC next year, it's it's

1677
01:30:48,160 --> 01:30:51,160
Speaker 2: highly likely that Eberflus will be fired.

1678
01:30:51,520 --> 01:30:54,240
Speaker 1: And then what you know, you got Caleb Williams.

1679
01:30:54,320 --> 01:30:57,880
Speaker 2: But we've seen it before when you have a superlative

1680
01:30:58,040 --> 01:31:02,160
Speaker 2: Heisman winning talent, a quarterback, come into the league with

1681
01:31:02,240 --> 01:31:06,160
Speaker 2: the first overall draft pick, and there's all these expectations,

1682
01:31:06,160 --> 01:31:08,360
Speaker 2: but then his head coach gets fired quickly after he

1683
01:31:08,400 --> 01:31:13,280
Speaker 2: gets drafted a LA Baker Mayfield. What then Baker was

1684
01:31:13,640 --> 01:31:16,639
Speaker 2: all of a sudden cast aside, and he became a

1685
01:31:16,680 --> 01:31:20,680
Speaker 2: backup quarterback in Carolina before becoming a backup quarterback in

1686
01:31:21,000 --> 01:31:26,040
Speaker 2: LA before signing a vet minimum deal with the Buccaneers.

1687
01:31:26,520 --> 01:31:29,160
Speaker 2: And he has this breakout season with the Bucks. But

1688
01:31:29,280 --> 01:31:32,760
Speaker 2: he was initially brought in to help Kyle Trask with

1689
01:31:32,840 --> 01:31:36,000
Speaker 2: his position of being a backup to Brady to being

1690
01:31:36,040 --> 01:31:36,519
Speaker 2: a starter.

1691
01:31:36,920 --> 01:31:39,000
Speaker 1: They didn't expect him to start the whole season.

1692
01:31:39,080 --> 01:31:41,559
Speaker 2: He did, but it just goes to show you what

1693
01:31:41,720 --> 01:31:44,240
Speaker 2: a little solid footing can do for a quarterback in

1694
01:31:44,240 --> 01:31:47,479
Speaker 2: this league. Whereas Caleb Williams, his whole situation may be

1695
01:31:47,520 --> 01:31:50,920
Speaker 2: in flux very soon. So I think Caleb Williams unfortunately

1696
01:31:50,960 --> 01:31:54,480
Speaker 2: adopted a disaster. I don't think it's a stable franchise,

1697
01:31:54,680 --> 01:31:57,160
Speaker 2: and I don't think I think they're probably two years

1698
01:31:57,200 --> 01:32:02,479
Speaker 2: away from being anything resembling stable, because it's very likely

1699
01:32:02,560 --> 01:32:04,880
Speaker 2: that this whole staff gets fired after this season.

1700
01:32:04,920 --> 01:32:06,920
Speaker 1: Here's the problem with the draft. I can't wait till

1701
01:32:06,920 --> 01:32:09,080
Speaker 1: the season starts. I think that's the whole thing. You know,

1702
01:32:09,400 --> 01:32:11,519
Speaker 1: when you have quarterbacks go with the top three picks

1703
01:32:11,560 --> 01:32:14,720
Speaker 1: in the draft, you're anxious already. Who knows last year

1704
01:32:14,840 --> 01:32:18,000
Speaker 1: it was Bryce Young Heisman Trophy winner ye and then

1705
01:32:18,080 --> 01:32:19,160
Speaker 1: c J. Straw too.

1706
01:32:19,400 --> 01:32:21,799
Speaker 9: Can I take some issue with this idea that Washington

1707
01:32:21,920 --> 01:32:25,519
Speaker 9: is a better spot the Chicago. Do you guys know

1708
01:32:25,560 --> 01:32:32,040
Speaker 9: who Jayden Daniel's main target is, uh McLaren's Terry McLaurin.

1709
01:32:32,160 --> 01:32:34,800
Speaker 9: You have the corpse of Austin Eckler at running back. Yeah,

1710
01:32:35,200 --> 01:32:37,680
Speaker 9: they have the corpse of Zach Ertz at tight end.

1711
01:32:38,600 --> 01:32:41,759
Speaker 9: Be Ben Johnson turned them down because their interview process

1712
01:32:41,840 --> 01:32:42,280
Speaker 9: was so bad.

1713
01:32:42,320 --> 01:32:44,080
Speaker 1: You don't think Kingsbury is going to be good for him.

1714
01:32:44,120 --> 01:32:48,240
Speaker 9: No, I don't think Kingsbury. Kingsbury didn't do anything at USC. Yeah,

1715
01:32:48,320 --> 01:32:49,439
Speaker 9: but he was an assistant.

1716
01:32:49,439 --> 01:32:52,760
Speaker 1: But I mean, at least there was a lot of

1717
01:32:52,880 --> 01:32:55,960
Speaker 1: questions whether Kyler Murray, even though he was in the draft,

1718
01:32:56,200 --> 01:32:58,439
Speaker 1: was going to be a substantial quarterback, and he was.

1719
01:32:58,640 --> 01:33:02,000
Speaker 9: Yeah, But I just think, like compared to the Bears

1720
01:33:02,000 --> 01:33:07,080
Speaker 9: having DJ Moore Romo Dunes, it's the Bears. No, I'm sorry,

1721
01:33:07,560 --> 01:33:10,839
Speaker 9: Keenan Allen, like that's a better spot for rookie quarterback

1722
01:33:10,880 --> 01:33:11,639
Speaker 9: than Washington.

1723
01:33:11,680 --> 01:33:14,160
Speaker 1: It's just been a graveyard for so many quarterbacks until

1724
01:33:14,160 --> 01:33:15,800
Speaker 1: it's not well, until it's not.

1725
01:33:17,360 --> 01:33:17,719
Speaker 9: Franchise.

1726
01:33:18,560 --> 01:33:20,479
Speaker 10: As much as I'd like to say the Bears are

1727
01:33:20,479 --> 01:33:22,800
Speaker 10: just gonna crash and burn with this, let's not act

1728
01:33:22,880 --> 01:33:25,280
Speaker 10: like Washington has exactly been a garden of Eden for

1729
01:33:25,360 --> 01:33:26,120
Speaker 10: quarterbacks either.

1730
01:33:26,200 --> 01:33:29,320
Speaker 1: Oh No, Like RG three got carted off of that field.

1731
01:33:29,400 --> 01:33:31,800
Speaker 10: And I don't know if I can point to any

1732
01:33:31,840 --> 01:33:33,840
Speaker 10: other person who's passing remarkably.

1733
01:33:33,920 --> 01:33:37,080
Speaker 1: Is there anybody hear the things that Dan go. Is

1734
01:33:37,080 --> 01:33:39,679
Speaker 1: anyone who hear thinks that Dan Quinn is a great

1735
01:33:39,800 --> 01:33:43,400
Speaker 1: upgrade for Ron Rivera? Or are they essentially the same guy?

1736
01:33:43,800 --> 01:33:46,920
Speaker 1: They both lost super Bowls elsewhere? Right? I mean, it's

1737
01:33:47,120 --> 01:33:48,599
Speaker 1: aren't they like the same guy?

1738
01:33:49,200 --> 01:33:49,479
Speaker 3: All right?

1739
01:33:49,960 --> 01:33:54,839
Speaker 2: Listen, there there's something to me. Dan Quinn, for whatever reason,

1740
01:33:55,800 --> 01:34:00,599
Speaker 2: appears to be a better leader like I is. Well,

1741
01:34:00,720 --> 01:34:03,679
Speaker 2: think about Ron Rivera at the podium, Like, think about

1742
01:34:03,680 --> 01:34:06,160
Speaker 2: some of the things that happened during his short tenure

1743
01:34:06,200 --> 01:34:07,759
Speaker 2: as the Commander's head coach.

1744
01:34:08,080 --> 01:34:09,920
Speaker 1: How many times he put his foot in his mouth.

1745
01:34:10,200 --> 01:34:13,880
Speaker 2: Remember the whole situation with the uprising inside the locker

1746
01:34:13,920 --> 01:34:16,240
Speaker 2: room against Eric b enemy and.

1747
01:34:16,280 --> 01:34:20,960
Speaker 1: He added fuel that fire. It was ridiculous, you know.

1748
01:34:21,040 --> 01:34:22,880
Speaker 2: I mean, there were a couple of those instances you

1749
01:34:22,880 --> 01:34:27,639
Speaker 2: could go back and look, he's not Look. I think

1750
01:34:27,800 --> 01:34:32,240
Speaker 2: what happened with Ron river in Carolina was he was

1751
01:34:32,400 --> 01:34:37,280
Speaker 2: gifted a tremendously talented quarterback in Cam Newton, and he

1752
01:34:37,400 --> 01:34:40,880
Speaker 2: had a great philosophy to help a guy like Cam

1753
01:34:40,960 --> 01:34:43,639
Speaker 2: have success, which was, Hey, we're gonna pound the rock,

1754
01:34:44,080 --> 01:34:45,920
Speaker 2: we're gonna run the football, and we're gonna do a

1755
01:34:46,120 --> 01:34:48,600
Speaker 2: great job doing that, We're gonna play great defense, and

1756
01:34:48,640 --> 01:34:52,320
Speaker 2: those defenses in Carolina they were sensational at times.

1757
01:34:52,800 --> 01:34:54,439
Speaker 1: And that he.

1758
01:34:54,320 --> 01:34:56,719
Speaker 2: Did not have the type of quarterback who he could

1759
01:34:57,840 --> 01:35:01,760
Speaker 2: instill that culture in in Washington with when he took

1760
01:35:01,800 --> 01:35:03,440
Speaker 2: on the head coaching position.

1761
01:35:03,120 --> 01:35:05,240
Speaker 1: So he was never long for that job.

1762
01:35:05,720 --> 01:35:08,679
Speaker 2: Now in the case of dan Quinn Jaden Daniels, again

1763
01:35:08,760 --> 01:35:11,240
Speaker 2: this is all based on how he projects. We haven't

1764
01:35:11,240 --> 01:35:13,760
Speaker 2: seen him play a snap of football, but if he's

1765
01:35:13,800 --> 01:35:17,639
Speaker 2: got talent, dan Quinn, I fully believe we'll be able

1766
01:35:17,680 --> 01:35:18,240
Speaker 2: to build a.

1767
01:35:18,240 --> 01:35:21,280
Speaker 1: Winning culture around the talented young quarterback that remains to

1768
01:35:21,320 --> 01:35:23,840
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1770
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1773
01:35:40,640 --> 01:35:42,519
Speaker 1: Coming up on the other side, we'll check in with

1774
01:35:42,640 --> 01:35:47,520
Speaker 1: our MLB slash NHL insider, the Great John Paul Morosi.

1775
01:35:47,680 --> 01:35:51,760
Speaker 1: This is Fox Sports Sunday, Steve Harbin, Rich Hornberger, Fox

1776
01:35:51,760 --> 01:35:54,200
Speaker 1: Sports Sunday. We are alive from the tai IRAQ dot

1777
01:35:54,240 --> 01:35:58,760
Speaker 1: Com Studios. No Kawhi, no problem. Clippers are blowing the

1778
01:35:58,880 --> 01:36:03,840
Speaker 1: doors off the map thirty nine to sixteen at the

1779
01:36:03,960 --> 01:36:09,760
Speaker 1: end of the first quarter in Dallas, Geez, thirty nine sixteen.

1780
01:36:10,120 --> 01:36:13,439
Speaker 1: Clippers a twenty three point lead at the end of

1781
01:36:13,479 --> 01:36:17,400
Speaker 1: the first quarter without Kawhi. Wow. So based on what

1782
01:36:17,439 --> 01:36:20,519
Speaker 1: they did in Game one and now in Game four,

1783
01:36:21,080 --> 01:36:25,360
Speaker 1: I would say rest Kawhi until next season and let's

1784
01:36:25,360 --> 01:36:28,360
Speaker 1: see how this Clipper team does all right. Joining us

1785
01:36:28,439 --> 01:36:30,840
Speaker 1: right now is a man that wears many hats, and

1786
01:36:30,920 --> 01:36:35,240
Speaker 1: despite his incredibly busy schedule, he finds time to share

1787
01:36:35,280 --> 01:36:38,560
Speaker 1: some time with us every single Sunday. Here. He is

1788
01:36:38,600 --> 01:36:42,679
Speaker 1: the one, the only, the great John Paul Morosi. Hey JP.

1789
01:36:42,800 --> 01:36:45,360
Speaker 1: Before we get into some MLB talk and some more

1790
01:36:45,479 --> 01:36:50,680
Speaker 1: updated Stanley Cup playoff talk, let's talk about JJ McCarthy,

1791
01:36:51,160 --> 01:36:55,920
Speaker 1: quarterback of your beloved Michigan Wolverines, coming off a national championship.

1792
01:36:56,200 --> 01:36:59,320
Speaker 1: I want you on the record predicting what kind of

1793
01:36:59,400 --> 01:37:02,280
Speaker 1: quarterback is going to be for the Minnesota Vikings.

1794
01:37:03,360 --> 01:37:07,160
Speaker 3: Good effort in my friends with the Minnesota Vikings. J

1795
01:37:07,520 --> 01:37:12,440
Speaker 3: McCarthy will be a three time All Pro and eventually

1796
01:37:12,600 --> 01:37:14,000
Speaker 3: a Super Bowl champion.

1797
01:37:14,080 --> 01:37:14,600
Speaker 6: Quarterback.

1798
01:37:14,720 --> 01:37:20,360
Speaker 3: Wow, there you go, three Pro Bowls and that he's

1799
01:37:20,400 --> 01:37:24,040
Speaker 3: going to find a way to bring a Lombardi Trophy

1800
01:37:24,080 --> 01:37:25,640
Speaker 3: to the great city of Mineapolis.

1801
01:37:25,800 --> 01:37:27,280
Speaker 1: So you're saying he's a winner.

1802
01:37:28,560 --> 01:37:30,320
Speaker 6: He is a winner. He is a winner.

1803
01:37:30,439 --> 01:37:33,960
Speaker 3: And I think you saw his reaction, the reaction of

1804
01:37:34,000 --> 01:37:37,679
Speaker 3: the of the fans in Michigan. It's very rare that

1805
01:37:37,840 --> 01:37:41,160
Speaker 3: a Viking would be uh, would be cheered and lauded

1806
01:37:41,200 --> 01:37:44,640
Speaker 3: by by the fans in Michigan. But obviously he is

1807
01:37:44,680 --> 01:37:48,479
Speaker 3: in many ways one of us. And even better, he

1808
01:37:48,560 --> 01:37:51,519
Speaker 3: gets a phone call from Wayne Gretzky to congratulate him

1809
01:37:51,520 --> 01:37:54,200
Speaker 3: on being drafted. I mean, how how great was that

1810
01:37:54,240 --> 01:37:54,960
Speaker 3: part of the story.

1811
01:37:55,240 --> 01:38:01,400
Speaker 2: That's amazing. That's amazing. Wow, JJ McCarthy. Now, any any

1812
01:38:01,520 --> 01:38:05,719
Speaker 2: thoughts now that JJ's gone, now that Harbaugh's gone about

1813
01:38:05,720 --> 01:38:09,880
Speaker 2: your Michigan Wolverines contending with mind you the Penn State

1814
01:38:09,960 --> 01:38:14,640
Speaker 2: Nittany Lions, who only look better and better as offseason continues.

1815
01:38:15,439 --> 01:38:16,400
Speaker 6: You're exactly right.

1816
01:38:16,560 --> 01:38:20,280
Speaker 3: So here's here's the question Rich that I will often

1817
01:38:20,400 --> 01:38:22,920
Speaker 3: ask my fellow Michigan residents on that.

1818
01:38:23,240 --> 01:38:25,240
Speaker 6: Yeah, when you look at look at the.

1819
01:38:25,200 --> 01:38:27,800
Speaker 3: Attrition on the roster. To your point, the way that

1820
01:38:27,840 --> 01:38:31,920
Speaker 3: Penn State has built up, but also the schedule, the

1821
01:38:31,960 --> 01:38:35,320
Speaker 3: schedule that Michigan is going to play. Remember, long before

1822
01:38:35,840 --> 01:38:38,519
Speaker 3: this notion of the of the Big Ten stretching coast

1823
01:38:38,520 --> 01:38:42,360
Speaker 3: to coast, Michigan scheduled Texas to play at the Big

1824
01:38:42,400 --> 01:38:43,839
Speaker 3: House this season.

1825
01:38:44,240 --> 01:38:46,280
Speaker 6: And so you add a Texas.

1826
01:38:45,880 --> 01:38:50,320
Speaker 3: Game plus an Oregon game, plus the USC game and

1827
01:38:50,400 --> 01:38:53,759
Speaker 3: now a very demanding Big Ten schedule where let's be honest,

1828
01:38:53,960 --> 01:38:56,360
Speaker 3: Ohio State, at some point in time we'll find a

1829
01:38:56,360 --> 01:38:59,439
Speaker 3: way to beat Michigan again. So I'm going to call

1830
01:38:59,520 --> 01:39:05,719
Speaker 3: this a a solid and respectable yet three loss season

1831
01:39:05,800 --> 01:39:07,160
Speaker 3: coming up for the Mazon Blue.

1832
01:39:07,280 --> 01:39:10,120
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, let's get to the shot. Let's get

1833
01:39:10,120 --> 01:39:12,799
Speaker 1: into a little baseball right now. One of the stories

1834
01:39:12,920 --> 01:39:17,320
Speaker 1: that came out this week was Jackson Holiday, who, of

1835
01:39:17,360 --> 01:39:19,240
Speaker 1: course was the number one pick in the draft. He

1836
01:39:19,360 --> 01:39:22,280
Speaker 1: is the son of Matt Holiday, great, former Major League

1837
01:39:22,320 --> 01:39:26,400
Speaker 1: baseball player, twenty years old, and the Baltimore Orioles decided

1838
01:39:26,640 --> 01:39:30,080
Speaker 1: he's ready, He's ready for the big time. He then

1839
01:39:30,080 --> 01:39:32,400
Speaker 1: went out and went two for thirty four with an

1840
01:39:32,680 --> 01:39:37,160
Speaker 1: fifty nine batting average, eighteen strikeouts, one run batted in,

1841
01:39:37,280 --> 01:39:39,960
Speaker 1: no extra base hits, and he was sent back to

1842
01:39:40,040 --> 01:39:43,240
Speaker 1: the minors. Any concerns that they may have done some

1843
01:39:44,120 --> 01:39:49,400
Speaker 1: damage by this premature promotion to the major league level.

1844
01:39:50,520 --> 01:39:51,479
Speaker 6: It's a fair question.

1845
01:39:51,920 --> 01:39:54,960
Speaker 3: I don't think so, because I believe that Jackson's a

1846
01:39:55,080 --> 01:39:58,840
Speaker 3: very mentally tough young man. I've had a conversation with him,

1847
01:39:59,439 --> 01:40:03,000
Speaker 3: actually the first got promoted, but I know him through

1848
01:40:03,040 --> 01:40:06,200
Speaker 3: his dad, and I have the utmost respect for his dad.

1849
01:40:07,439 --> 01:40:12,639
Speaker 3: That the way that young players are now inaugurated into

1850
01:40:12,640 --> 01:40:15,960
Speaker 3: the major leagues, it is the toughest time I believe

1851
01:40:16,080 --> 01:40:19,040
Speaker 3: to be a young hitter in baseball history, the toughest

1852
01:40:19,040 --> 01:40:21,280
Speaker 3: time because the pitching has ever been this good.

1853
01:40:21,960 --> 01:40:22,760
Speaker 6: And that's not an.

1854
01:40:22,680 --> 01:40:25,080
Speaker 3: Opinion or a hot take, as the reality of where

1855
01:40:25,080 --> 01:40:28,680
Speaker 3: we're at as a sport that all of the analytics

1856
01:40:28,720 --> 01:40:30,519
Speaker 3: and the things that have come into the game have

1857
01:40:30,600 --> 01:40:34,280
Speaker 3: made pitching more dominant, and so as a result, it's

1858
01:40:34,320 --> 01:40:37,759
Speaker 3: not just Jackson Holliday. Go look at the Texas Rangers

1859
01:40:37,840 --> 01:40:40,720
Speaker 3: roster Wyatt Lankford just hit his first home run of

1860
01:40:40,760 --> 01:40:44,679
Speaker 3: the season this weekend. Evan Carter, who was a revelation

1861
01:40:44,840 --> 01:40:47,799
Speaker 3: for them last year in the playoffs, has struggled. Colt

1862
01:40:47,880 --> 01:40:51,519
Speaker 3: Keith of the Tigers his ops right now is in

1863
01:40:51,520 --> 01:40:53,680
Speaker 3: the low four hundreds of batting average of one to

1864
01:40:53,760 --> 01:40:57,599
Speaker 3: sixty one. And these guys are all the luminaries of

1865
01:40:57,640 --> 01:40:59,720
Speaker 3: the game, the guys that we're looking to to be

1866
01:41:00,080 --> 01:41:03,000
Speaker 3: the vanguard of the next generation of offensive players.

1867
01:41:02,680 --> 01:41:03,160
Speaker 6: In the sport.

1868
01:41:03,240 --> 01:41:07,400
Speaker 3: So I think this in some level. Am I concerned

1869
01:41:07,400 --> 01:41:11,400
Speaker 3: in the long term, No, is it a shot per conference.

1870
01:41:11,439 --> 01:41:13,280
Speaker 6: In the short term, of course it is. You're a human.

1871
01:41:13,800 --> 01:41:14,839
Speaker 6: It's part of the process.

1872
01:41:14,880 --> 01:41:19,559
Speaker 3: But he really hasn't failed yet through his minor.

1873
01:41:19,479 --> 01:41:21,759
Speaker 6: League career, which has been very short, and.

1874
01:41:21,680 --> 01:41:24,160
Speaker 3: I think it's inevitable. We always say that the game

1875
01:41:24,560 --> 01:41:26,519
Speaker 3: will humble you at some point. It just so happens.

1876
01:41:26,520 --> 01:41:29,320
Speaker 3: For Jackson it happened right away, and I'm sure he'll

1877
01:41:29,360 --> 01:41:32,559
Speaker 3: go down to the minor leagues and rediscover his swing.

1878
01:41:32,640 --> 01:41:36,320
Speaker 3: And I think even the best and most disciplined hitters

1879
01:41:36,360 --> 01:41:40,160
Speaker 3: at times they chase results a little bit, want to

1880
01:41:40,200 --> 01:41:43,200
Speaker 3: see the results, and that to me is I think

1881
01:41:43,240 --> 01:41:45,679
Speaker 3: a huge challenge for a young man in the case

1882
01:41:45,680 --> 01:41:48,400
Speaker 3: of Jackson Oliday. Again, he'll get there, but right now

1883
01:41:48,439 --> 01:41:50,080
Speaker 3: it's certainly I think the right thing from to go

1884
01:41:50,080 --> 01:41:52,200
Speaker 3: down to the minor leagues. Just readjust his approach.

1885
01:41:53,160 --> 01:41:55,240
Speaker 2: Hey, JP, I want to talk to you about huge

1886
01:41:55,280 --> 01:41:59,680
Speaker 2: expectations not met. A year ago, the San Diego Padres

1887
01:42:00,360 --> 01:42:06,080
Speaker 2: flame out and they have a historically poor performance in season.

1888
01:42:06,160 --> 01:42:09,960
Speaker 2: Based on what you know, stat projections showed to be

1889
01:42:10,160 --> 01:42:13,000
Speaker 2: something ranging near a ninety five win team. They end

1890
01:42:13,120 --> 01:42:16,719
Speaker 2: up only winning eighty two, miss the postseason. Juan Soto

1891
01:42:16,800 --> 01:42:21,320
Speaker 2: leaves in trade, they lose Josh Hader and Blake Snell.

1892
01:42:22,360 --> 01:42:25,400
Speaker 2: You know, it felt like this offseason the Padres were

1893
01:42:25,400 --> 01:42:27,920
Speaker 2: in a little bit of free fall and the pressure

1894
01:42:28,040 --> 01:42:30,400
Speaker 2: was on Aj Prowler to get some things right, their

1895
01:42:30,479 --> 01:42:33,040
Speaker 2: general manager, and this does feel like a prove it

1896
01:42:33,120 --> 01:42:36,719
Speaker 2: year for him after a decade plus of very few

1897
01:42:36,760 --> 01:42:39,599
Speaker 2: winning seasons. But you look at some of the early

1898
01:42:39,680 --> 01:42:43,920
Speaker 2: returns the Dylan Ceese trade from the White Sox. He's

1899
01:42:44,000 --> 01:42:48,479
Speaker 2: been sensational. He's the hardest pitcher in baseball to hit,

1900
01:42:49,600 --> 01:42:51,840
Speaker 2: you know, in terms of hits per nine innings. He's

1901
01:42:51,880 --> 01:42:54,599
Speaker 2: got a one to eight seven ERA. You know, he's

1902
01:42:54,760 --> 01:42:57,400
Speaker 2: three to one as a starter through five games so

1903
01:42:57,520 --> 01:43:00,960
Speaker 2: far this season. And then you look at Jackson out

1904
01:43:00,960 --> 01:43:05,760
Speaker 2: of nowhere, this rookie outfielder having a sensational start to

1905
01:43:05,840 --> 01:43:11,640
Speaker 2: his career. It feels like AJ Preller was labeled a

1906
01:43:11,760 --> 01:43:15,320
Speaker 2: rockstar GM and then last year his name took a

1907
01:43:15,360 --> 01:43:18,760
Speaker 2: big hit. But in terms of being a talent evaluator,

1908
01:43:19,080 --> 01:43:23,920
Speaker 2: where do you rank him amongst personnel directors across the league.

1909
01:43:29,040 --> 01:43:32,240
Speaker 1: It's a tough question. I can't even answer it myself. Man,

1910
01:43:32,840 --> 01:43:35,120
Speaker 1: I go, guys, yes, here we go.

1911
01:43:35,240 --> 01:43:35,760
Speaker 7: I'm back.

1912
01:43:35,840 --> 01:43:36,320
Speaker 6: I'm back.

1913
01:43:36,680 --> 01:43:40,320
Speaker 3: AJ Preller has, in my view, a great scouting eye,

1914
01:43:40,680 --> 01:43:45,439
Speaker 3: and he also has this limitless energy to go literally

1915
01:43:45,600 --> 01:43:49,880
Speaker 3: anywhere in the world and find players. He I believe,

1916
01:43:49,960 --> 01:43:53,160
Speaker 3: travels in and throughout Latin America as much as any

1917
01:43:53,760 --> 01:43:56,400
Speaker 3: GM or president of baseball operations that I know of,

1918
01:43:56,520 --> 01:44:00,000
Speaker 3: certainly in the sport. He's traveled to Asia many men,

1919
01:44:00,000 --> 01:44:02,040
Speaker 3: many times, and it's one of the reasons why I

1920
01:44:02,120 --> 01:44:04,920
Speaker 3: expect the Podres to continue to be at the fore

1921
01:44:05,200 --> 01:44:08,559
Speaker 3: friend quire talent from Asia. Obviously, Hasan Kim has been

1922
01:44:08,880 --> 01:44:10,839
Speaker 3: one of their best players the last couple of years,

1923
01:44:11,040 --> 01:44:15,400
Speaker 3: So he is an excellent evaluator. I also think that

1924
01:44:15,479 --> 01:44:18,800
Speaker 3: at times sometimes he has made maybe.

1925
01:44:19,040 --> 01:44:19,960
Speaker 4: Too many trades.

1926
01:44:20,040 --> 01:44:22,439
Speaker 3: I think the Cease trade was the right one, but

1927
01:44:22,560 --> 01:44:25,839
Speaker 3: you look around and I think last year's team didn't

1928
01:44:25,920 --> 01:44:28,559
Speaker 3: quite have that cohesion to it. That's why I think

1929
01:44:28,600 --> 01:44:32,559
Speaker 3: they underperformed their metrics. I think teams that overperform their

1930
01:44:32,600 --> 01:44:37,040
Speaker 3: metrics are often those that have a lot of continuity

1931
01:44:37,040 --> 01:44:41,320
Speaker 3: into the minor leagues, and obviously they've traded away a

1932
01:44:41,360 --> 01:44:42,280
Speaker 3: lot of top players.

1933
01:44:42,400 --> 01:44:43,800
Speaker 6: Look at the C J. Abrams deal.

1934
01:44:44,120 --> 01:44:46,840
Speaker 3: Abrams is going to be I think he'll be an

1935
01:44:46,840 --> 01:44:48,920
Speaker 3: All Star this year. He's going to be an MVP candidate,

1936
01:44:48,960 --> 01:44:51,160
Speaker 3: I believe before all of a sudden done in the

1937
01:44:51,160 --> 01:44:54,400
Speaker 3: next several years. And they gave him up in the

1938
01:44:54,479 --> 01:44:57,240
Speaker 3: trade to get Juan Soto. So they've given up a

1939
01:44:57,280 --> 01:44:59,800
Speaker 3: ton of talents. What is another guy that gave up

1940
01:44:59,800 --> 01:45:03,800
Speaker 3: on that so they I like his scouting acumen, I

1941
01:45:03,920 --> 01:45:06,639
Speaker 3: like the energy. I love that it's never boring with him.

1942
01:45:07,040 --> 01:45:09,440
Speaker 3: Jerry Depoto is kind of the same way in Seattle,

1943
01:45:09,600 --> 01:45:11,679
Speaker 3: where it'll always make a trade and try to get better.

1944
01:45:11,720 --> 01:45:14,719
Speaker 3: I love that about them both. I just sometimes wonder

1945
01:45:15,280 --> 01:45:17,719
Speaker 3: if when you look at the roster and say, Okay,

1946
01:45:17,720 --> 01:45:21,000
Speaker 3: how many players came up through this system and have

1947
01:45:21,040 --> 01:45:24,519
Speaker 3: a real buy into the organizational identity of what we're

1948
01:45:24,560 --> 01:45:27,639
Speaker 3: all about, and when you don't have as many guys

1949
01:45:27,680 --> 01:45:30,040
Speaker 3: there who have that DNA I think it can be

1950
01:45:30,080 --> 01:45:31,200
Speaker 3: a little bit of a challenge.

1951
01:45:31,200 --> 01:45:32,519
Speaker 6: So I love what AJA does.

1952
01:45:32,520 --> 01:45:32,800
Speaker 1: I think.

1953
01:45:32,840 --> 01:45:35,599
Speaker 6: Actually, I know they've won, They've lost three in a row.

1954
01:45:35,960 --> 01:45:38,800
Speaker 3: They've plited solid baseball though, and when Merrill comes in

1955
01:45:38,800 --> 01:45:42,120
Speaker 3: and has success and Dylan Cee comes in and has success,

1956
01:45:42,439 --> 01:45:45,040
Speaker 3: Darvis being hurt hurts them. Right now, I have a

1957
01:45:45,040 --> 01:45:48,960
Speaker 3: hard time blaming this year's performance being under five hundred

1958
01:45:49,120 --> 01:45:51,320
Speaker 3: on AJ, They're still right in the conversation for a

1959
01:45:51,320 --> 01:45:54,240
Speaker 3: playoff spot, I'd say for the pot and raise ownership

1960
01:45:54,320 --> 01:45:57,360
Speaker 3: management day the course, very.

1961
01:45:57,280 --> 01:46:04,720
Speaker 1: Quick question here, Mookie Bets. He leads the majors and runs, scored, hits,

1962
01:46:05,200 --> 01:46:11,040
Speaker 1: batting average, on base percentage, and ops. When you talk

1963
01:46:11,080 --> 01:46:14,559
Speaker 1: about because you're a historian of the sport, give me

1964
01:46:14,640 --> 01:46:19,240
Speaker 1: a player in baseball history that most reminds you of

1965
01:46:19,320 --> 01:46:20,000
Speaker 1: Mookie Betts.

1966
01:46:21,240 --> 01:46:22,920
Speaker 6: It's a great question. Uh.

1967
01:46:23,120 --> 01:46:25,519
Speaker 3: The name that just popped into my mind. And really

1968
01:46:26,040 --> 01:46:30,080
Speaker 3: I'll preface it by saying this, he's like no one

1969
01:46:30,080 --> 01:46:32,640
Speaker 3: else really in terms of the ability.

1970
01:46:32,200 --> 01:46:35,679
Speaker 6: To be a Gold Gold Glove.

1971
01:46:35,520 --> 01:46:38,640
Speaker 3: Winning outfielder, come in play second base, now play shortstop.

1972
01:46:39,080 --> 01:46:41,240
Speaker 3: He is, by the way, the Dodgers' best all round

1973
01:46:41,280 --> 01:46:44,600
Speaker 3: player period. He is their best player. And I know

1974
01:46:44,640 --> 01:46:47,439
Speaker 3: that we talk about about Otani and we should. Mookie

1975
01:46:47,479 --> 01:46:51,559
Speaker 3: Betts is the Dodgers' best player period. He is certainly

1976
01:46:51,760 --> 01:46:52,480
Speaker 3: at least.

1977
01:46:52,280 --> 01:46:54,719
Speaker 6: Was without showing being on the mound. If he's showing

1978
01:46:54,760 --> 01:46:55,559
Speaker 6: pitches next year.

1979
01:46:55,439 --> 01:46:58,080
Speaker 3: As a separate conversation, we'll revisit that, but right now,

1980
01:46:58,200 --> 01:47:01,800
Speaker 3: Mookie is their best player. The yeah, let us the

1981
01:47:01,800 --> 01:47:03,679
Speaker 3: think it stands out to me. I remember years ago

1982
01:47:03,720 --> 01:47:06,639
Speaker 3: Alex Spear of the Boston Woe looked up Mookie Best's

1983
01:47:06,680 --> 01:47:10,679
Speaker 3: career and basically he was able to realize that Mookie

1984
01:47:10,680 --> 01:47:14,160
Speaker 3: Bests had like the best season ever for a player

1985
01:47:14,160 --> 01:47:15,720
Speaker 3: who is shorter than five 't ten.

1986
01:47:15,920 --> 01:47:18,479
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, so that for.

1987
01:47:18,400 --> 01:47:20,800
Speaker 3: That reason, the name that popped in my mind was

1988
01:47:20,880 --> 01:47:24,240
Speaker 3: Kirby Puckett. But imagine if Kirby Puckett could also play

1989
01:47:24,240 --> 01:47:27,000
Speaker 3: shortstop and steal a ton of bases.

1990
01:47:27,200 --> 01:47:29,679
Speaker 1: I was thinking the same thing when you said Puckett,

1991
01:47:29,720 --> 01:47:31,479
Speaker 1: I was thinking the same player.

1992
01:47:32,040 --> 01:47:33,000
Speaker 6: I love it. I love it.

1993
01:47:33,080 --> 01:47:36,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, So for me, it's it's Pucket. But a guy

1994
01:47:36,120 --> 01:47:39,280
Speaker 3: that could play like four positions above average is a

1995
01:47:39,479 --> 01:47:42,360
Speaker 3: dynamic flair and one of the best ambassadors we have

1996
01:47:42,439 --> 01:47:43,000
Speaker 3: in baseball.

1997
01:47:43,080 --> 01:47:46,680
Speaker 1: Unbelievable. JP great stuff is always, Thanks so much. We'll

1998
01:47:46,720 --> 01:47:48,120
Speaker 1: check in within next week.

1999
01:47:48,560 --> 01:47:50,320
Speaker 3: Looking forward to my friends. Have a great week.

2000
01:47:50,360 --> 01:47:50,840
Speaker 6: All the best.

2001
01:47:50,960 --> 01:47:53,639
Speaker 1: That's the great John Paul Morosi, Johnny us right there

2002
01:47:53,720 --> 01:47:57,200
Speaker 1: all right, speaking of under five to ten and best

2003
01:47:57,240 --> 01:48:02,640
Speaker 1: in the biz. Montcy Belanos is right, just just a

2004
01:48:02,760 --> 01:48:06,799
Speaker 1: tiny bit under five to ten. Ye, fairly, fairly, fairly

2005
01:48:07,000 --> 01:48:07,200
Speaker 1: you know.

2006
01:48:07,439 --> 01:48:10,479
Speaker 7: Did you guys see that Sam bought me a Caitlin

2007
01:48:10,520 --> 01:48:14,639
Speaker 7: Clark shirt like in Iowa Jersey, Right, Yes, he's very sweet.

2008
01:48:14,680 --> 01:48:16,360
Speaker 7: He got me one and he brought it on Friday

2009
01:48:16,560 --> 01:48:18,640
Speaker 7: and we took a picture and he posted it and

2010
01:48:18,680 --> 01:48:21,080
Speaker 7: people were like, Sam, I didn't know you were seven

2011
01:48:21,120 --> 01:48:21,679
Speaker 7: feet tall.

2012
01:48:22,040 --> 01:48:24,559
Speaker 8: And I just like make everyone look tall. But I

2013
01:48:25,000 --> 01:48:26,760
Speaker 8: there are times where I look at pictures I'm like,

2014
01:48:26,840 --> 01:48:29,280
Speaker 8: I am that I don't feel that small. I just

2015
01:48:29,280 --> 01:48:31,240
Speaker 8: want you guys to know that you have.

2016
01:48:31,280 --> 01:48:36,120
Speaker 2: A you have a presence and a personality like that

2017
01:48:36,120 --> 01:48:39,559
Speaker 2: that I mean, honestly, when when I look back at

2018
01:48:39,600 --> 01:48:41,000
Speaker 2: pictures we've taken together.

2019
01:48:40,840 --> 01:48:43,599
Speaker 1: I'm yes, I don't think of mine.

2020
01:48:44,040 --> 01:48:46,960
Speaker 8: That I'm like below, I'm like your belly button.

2021
01:48:50,160 --> 01:48:53,679
Speaker 1: When she came to the house with her boyfriend Sean yes,

2022
01:48:53,960 --> 01:48:56,280
Speaker 1: you were wearing heels of.

2023
01:48:56,240 --> 01:49:00,439
Speaker 8: Sports, of course. Yes, and he's still way taller than me. Yeah,

2024
01:49:00,479 --> 01:49:01,559
Speaker 8: I know, it's it's great.

2025
01:49:01,600 --> 01:49:03,320
Speaker 7: I can stand in front of him at any concert

2026
01:49:03,439 --> 01:49:05,120
Speaker 7: with a heel and he has no.

2027
01:49:05,000 --> 01:49:07,360
Speaker 8: Problem seeing right over me. It's actually quite fat.

2028
01:49:07,640 --> 01:49:11,120
Speaker 1: My mom at her peak, yeah, it was five to one.

2029
01:49:11,720 --> 01:49:14,280
Speaker 1: And she used to say, and obviously she got older,

2030
01:49:14,400 --> 01:49:18,200
Speaker 1: much shorter. She used to always say, great things come

2031
01:49:18,240 --> 01:49:19,080
Speaker 1: in small package.

2032
01:49:19,120 --> 01:49:21,439
Speaker 8: It's very true. I don't even think I've peaked at

2033
01:49:21,479 --> 01:49:25,479
Speaker 8: five to one. So your your mother is beating me there. Yeah,

2034
01:49:25,520 --> 01:49:27,120
Speaker 8: she would have, she really would have.

2035
01:49:27,360 --> 01:49:31,640
Speaker 7: I one agree with JP because literally, I don't know

2036
01:49:31,640 --> 01:49:33,760
Speaker 7: if you guys know that Bo Benson, Ryan Bershinger and

2037
01:49:33,840 --> 01:49:37,640
Speaker 7: I are doing a Dodgers podcast for the Sick Media podcast.

2038
01:49:37,880 --> 01:49:39,200
Speaker 8: You saw the Dodgers own, right.

2039
01:49:39,560 --> 01:49:42,120
Speaker 7: I just said to them that Mookie Betts is not

2040
01:49:42,160 --> 01:49:43,120
Speaker 7: getting the credit.

2041
01:49:42,960 --> 01:49:43,799
Speaker 8: He should be getting.

2042
01:49:43,960 --> 01:49:50,120
Speaker 7: He's unbelievable and he's surrounded by all these other storylines unfortunately,

2043
01:49:50,200 --> 01:49:51,080
Speaker 7: but who can do that.

2044
01:49:51,320 --> 01:49:54,320
Speaker 1: He's gonna put up because he has Otani hitting behind him, right,

2045
01:49:54,600 --> 01:49:57,160
Speaker 1: he'saidy three ninety one, right, I know, I mean he

2046
01:49:57,960 --> 01:50:01,760
Speaker 1: is ridiculous. Ridiculous is right, I mean he has. If

2047
01:50:01,760 --> 01:50:06,080
Speaker 1: Otani stays healthy, hitting behind him, he could have his

2048
01:50:06,160 --> 01:50:09,880
Speaker 1: greatest season ever. But I mean that batting average maybe

2049
01:50:10,000 --> 01:50:14,559
Speaker 1: floirting high, yes, and the fact he's getting pitches to hit.

2050
01:50:14,840 --> 01:50:17,600
Speaker 7: JP mentioned it, and outfielder moving to the infield and

2051
01:50:17,600 --> 01:50:19,320
Speaker 7: then moving positions within the infield.

2052
01:50:19,479 --> 01:50:24,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, six glow gloves, six silver sluggers, and it's obviously career.

2053
01:50:23,800 --> 01:50:24,639
Speaker 8: But wow, stupid.

2054
01:50:24,640 --> 01:50:28,080
Speaker 7: But I just said this and BO disagreed, and Bo

2055
01:50:28,320 --> 01:50:29,880
Speaker 7: is like, it's Otani's team.

2056
01:50:29,960 --> 01:50:32,799
Speaker 8: I was like, shoot, oh, right now.

2057
01:50:32,720 --> 01:50:34,960
Speaker 7: Bo, we got into it because I couldn't.

2058
01:50:35,080 --> 01:50:37,960
Speaker 1: Right now, the most valuable player in the National League

2059
01:50:38,120 --> 01:50:39,920
Speaker 1: runaway is Mooky Mookie Betts.

2060
01:50:39,920 --> 01:50:43,400
Speaker 8: There's no question about it. See Bo, see see.

2061
01:50:43,479 --> 01:50:45,439
Speaker 9: I never seen Mookie Betts had one hundred and nineteen

2062
01:50:45,439 --> 01:50:46,200
Speaker 9: mile an hour home ron.

2063
01:50:47,560 --> 01:50:48,800
Speaker 1: Okay, it is true.

2064
01:50:48,920 --> 01:50:51,240
Speaker 7: I mean, yes, both can be true that we've never

2065
01:50:51,240 --> 01:50:53,040
Speaker 7: seen him do that, and he's still the best player.

2066
01:50:53,640 --> 01:50:57,040
Speaker 8: Anyway. Let's move on, guys, to the NBA.

2067
01:50:56,800 --> 01:51:00,160
Speaker 7: Where my clippers are shooting the lights out sixty four

2068
01:51:00,160 --> 01:51:02,840
Speaker 7: percent from three point line, fifty nine percent just from

2069
01:51:02,880 --> 01:51:05,439
Speaker 7: the field. They are all over the Dallas Mavericks fifty

2070
01:51:05,439 --> 01:51:08,320
Speaker 7: five to thirty is the score fiftwef to thirty.

2071
01:51:08,320 --> 01:51:10,479
Speaker 8: They just hit a three with about five minutes to go.

2072
01:51:10,720 --> 01:51:11,880
Speaker 8: Ish in the first half.

2073
01:51:11,920 --> 01:51:16,479
Speaker 7: Paul George seventeen points, Luka Doncic twelve points for the

2074
01:51:16,520 --> 01:51:17,240
Speaker 7: Dallas Mavericks.

2075
01:51:17,240 --> 01:51:21,360
Speaker 1: And again game real. Why, yes, it is, why blowing

2076
01:51:21,439 --> 01:51:22,240
Speaker 1: the doors off?

2077
01:51:22,400 --> 01:51:24,000
Speaker 7: But you know why it's for real because we already

2078
01:51:24,040 --> 01:51:25,559
Speaker 7: saw this in Gay one, so it's not like we

2079
01:51:25,640 --> 01:51:28,559
Speaker 7: have not seen this in this series. So way to

2080
01:51:28,600 --> 01:51:32,679
Speaker 7: go clips, plenty of game left. So and then Kyrie

2081
01:51:32,680 --> 01:51:36,720
Speaker 7: Irving just hit a three. So fifty five thirty three, yes, no, no.

2082
01:51:36,479 --> 01:51:39,559
Speaker 8: It's five to five thirty three. Everybody chill, everybody chill.

2083
01:51:40,040 --> 01:51:42,640
Speaker 7: In Philly, it was Jason Jalen Brunson who put on

2084
01:51:42,720 --> 01:51:46,000
Speaker 7: a show, a franchise record for the next forty seven points,

2085
01:51:46,080 --> 01:51:48,599
Speaker 7: ten assists. They take Game four in Philly, coming out

2086
01:51:48,640 --> 01:51:50,920
Speaker 7: on top ninety seven to ninety two. New York leads

2087
01:51:50,920 --> 01:51:52,840
Speaker 7: the series three to one. Game five will be on

2088
01:51:52,920 --> 01:51:56,280
Speaker 7: Tuesday in New York. In Major League Baseball, a tie

2089
01:51:56,280 --> 01:52:01,480
Speaker 7: game Cardinals Mets in New York. Bottom of the eleventh inning, tied.

2090
01:52:01,280 --> 01:52:02,160
Speaker 8: At two apiece.

2091
01:52:02,400 --> 01:52:04,800
Speaker 7: The Mets have a man on first base and they

2092
01:52:04,800 --> 01:52:07,439
Speaker 7: are down to their final out in this inning. The

2093
01:52:07,520 --> 01:52:10,479
Speaker 7: Nationals have exploded, taking the lead over the Marlins twelve nine,

2094
01:52:10,560 --> 01:52:13,559
Speaker 7: bottom of the eighth. The Yankees also exploded. They were

2095
01:52:13,680 --> 01:52:16,080
Speaker 7: tied with the Brewers. Not anymore. It's thirteen to five,

2096
01:52:16,120 --> 01:52:18,479
Speaker 7: top of the seventh. The Rangers up on the Reds

2097
01:52:18,520 --> 01:52:19,439
Speaker 7: four to three. They're about to.

2098
01:52:19,439 --> 01:52:20,400
Speaker 8: Start the eighth inning.

2099
01:52:20,640 --> 01:52:23,439
Speaker 7: Astros beating the Rockies two to one bottom of the second,

2100
01:52:23,720 --> 01:52:25,519
Speaker 7: and also a tie game between the Mariners and the

2101
01:52:25,520 --> 01:52:27,040
Speaker 7: Diamondbacks in Seattle one one.

2102
01:52:27,040 --> 01:52:28,400
Speaker 8: They're about to start the third inning.

2103
01:52:28,600 --> 01:52:30,960
Speaker 7: The Braves ended up beating the Guardians four to three,

2104
01:52:30,960 --> 01:52:32,960
Speaker 7: a comeback win did that in ten innings.

2105
01:52:33,040 --> 01:52:34,800
Speaker 8: The Ace took down the Oil seven to six.

2106
01:52:34,960 --> 01:52:37,840
Speaker 7: The Blue jaysnapped the Dodgers six game winning streak three

2107
01:52:37,840 --> 01:52:40,200
Speaker 7: to one. Was the final. Tigers over the Royals four

2108
01:52:40,240 --> 01:52:42,280
Speaker 7: to one, and the White Sox completed a sweep of

2109
01:52:42,320 --> 01:52:45,519
Speaker 7: the Rays four to two. A little NFL news, the

2110
01:52:45,640 --> 01:52:49,200
Speaker 7: Houston Texans announced that wide receiver Tank Dell was the

2111
01:52:49,280 --> 01:52:52,080
Speaker 7: victim of a shooting last night. What He sustained a

2112
01:52:52,200 --> 01:52:55,360
Speaker 7: minor wound and has been released from the hospital.

2113
01:52:55,680 --> 01:53:00,479
Speaker 8: The team just announced this. I know where was it shooting.

2114
01:53:00,720 --> 01:53:03,120
Speaker 7: They didn't give a lot more details to it. Oh

2115
01:53:03,439 --> 01:53:08,120
Speaker 7: the location, the location. This was in Florida, Sanford, Florida.

2116
01:53:08,360 --> 01:53:09,519
Speaker 1: Was it in the middle of the night.

2117
01:53:11,040 --> 01:53:13,759
Speaker 7: Not more details, Bow, unless you have more detailed Chefter

2118
01:53:13,920 --> 01:53:16,360
Speaker 7: just tweeted out, Okay, Yeah, ten people were shot at

2119
01:53:16,400 --> 01:53:19,120
Speaker 7: a bar in Florida and they've arrested a sixteen year

2120
01:53:19,120 --> 01:53:19,719
Speaker 7: old apparently.

2121
01:53:19,800 --> 01:53:22,280
Speaker 10: Tank Dell is listed as an innocent bystander, which was

2122
01:53:22,320 --> 01:53:24,040
Speaker 10: apparently caught in the crossfire.

2123
01:53:25,240 --> 01:53:31,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was a sixteen year old inside a barye.

2124
01:53:32,160 --> 01:53:36,040
Speaker 1: What a nightmare? Yeah, all right, Well, Monts of great

2125
01:53:36,040 --> 01:53:38,960
Speaker 1: stuff is always coming up on the other side, will

2126
01:53:39,680 --> 01:53:45,160
Speaker 1: examine a few other player destinations following the NFL Draft.

2127
01:53:45,320 --> 01:53:49,959
Speaker 1: This is Fox Sports Sunday, Steve Arvin and Rich Harburger

2128
01:53:50,080 --> 01:53:53,479
Speaker 1: Here Fox Sports Sunday Live from the tire Rack dot

2129
01:53:53,520 --> 01:53:59,720
Speaker 1: Com studios are all star cast that helps put this

2130
01:53:59,760 --> 01:54:06,639
Speaker 1: show together every single week. Montcy, of course, happy about

2131
01:54:06,640 --> 01:54:09,760
Speaker 1: our clippers still leaving. By nineteen all the MAVs are

2132
01:54:09,800 --> 01:54:11,479
Speaker 1: beginning to inch back in this game.

2133
01:54:11,560 --> 01:54:13,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, it'll be a fight, it looks like. But that's

2134
01:54:13,760 --> 01:54:15,760
Speaker 2: a heck of a run to get on in the

2135
01:54:15,800 --> 01:54:16,439
Speaker 2: first quarter.

2136
01:54:16,640 --> 01:54:20,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's uh, thirty nine to sixteen first quarter without Kawhi.

2137
01:54:21,040 --> 01:54:24,200
Speaker 1: So again without Kauwhi, they have been the better team.

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Speaker 1: We'll see how the second half goes there. Well, of course,

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Speaker 1: is our brilliant producer. His Eagles were very busy yesterday.

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Speaker 1: They actually tied an NFL record with eight draft day trades. Goodness,

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Speaker 1: and I think the Eagles did a really good job.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you needed help at the corner. Let's let's

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Speaker 1: start there, right. That was sort of like be given.

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Speaker 1: So they addressed that. So you're happy, I would imagine. Yeah.

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Speaker 9: I think those are what two of the top four

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Speaker 9: defensive backs on the draft that they came away with.

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Speaker 1: I think they did very very well. And of course, Chris,

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Speaker 1: as we know, is the Lions insider, how would you

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Speaker 1: evaluate the each de Froit Lions draft?

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Speaker 10: Much like the Eagles, they went after corners. They got

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Speaker 10: Terry and Arnold, who I think was my CB one

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Speaker 10: in the draft. I'm surprised he lasted at twenty four

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Speaker 10: and they were aggressive to go up and get him.

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Speaker 10: But also ens Rakestraw in the second and I actually

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Speaker 10: really like this was a very fun, weird pick that

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Speaker 10: has a lot of people scratching their heads. They took

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Speaker 10: this kid out of University of British Columbia offensive tackle

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Speaker 10: by the name of Jovanni Manu six eight three and

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Speaker 10: fifty two pounds. Okay, his his his sizzle reel looks

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Speaker 10: like he's demolishing high schoolers out there. That guy has

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Speaker 10: his own zip code at that size. I mean, that's yeah,

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Speaker 10: so we'll see. They'll probably stash him away for a while.

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Speaker 10: But yeah, kind of like bo like Lyon's biggest need

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Speaker 10: last year was stopping deep passes on third and Long,

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Speaker 10: and they took two corners to try to address that.

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Speaker 10: So and I just I love the vibe in Detroit.

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Speaker 10: It was very cool seeing a lot of people get

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Speaker 10: to experience the city, get to experience kind of what

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Speaker 10: that fun is. Breaking all the attendance, the tendance records

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Speaker 10: for the draft. And my only complaint is a lot

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Speaker 10: of people lined around the block for American coney That's

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Speaker 10: the wrong choice. If you're gonna do one of the

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Speaker 10: big ones, do Lafayette Coney Dogs. I don't see the

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Speaker 10: opinion of America. And by the way, we also go

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Speaker 10: to Sweetwater Tavern for the wings and Buddies for the pizza.

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Speaker 1: And why I was going to say the Detroit style pizza. Yeah.

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Speaker 10: I remember when I got here a few years ago,

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Speaker 10: people kept when I brought up Detroit Salz pizza to people,

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Speaker 10: they'd be like, that's not a real thing.

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Speaker 1: Oh yes, it is, of the arm. Yeah it's it's

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Speaker 1: a bit of a play on Chicago style pizza.

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Speaker 10: But no, it's different. It's well, Chicago style pizza is

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Speaker 10: like more like a pie. This one actually is. It's

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Speaker 10: just the sauce on top is the only thing that

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Speaker 10: combines Chicago and Detroit.

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Speaker 1: But it's only a ladle on top. It's not like

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Speaker 1: a giant layer of it. It's more like a Are

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Speaker 1: you a Doe Pizza fan at all? I am? Yes? Okay,

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Speaker 1: how about you, rich? Are you a Doe pizza fan?

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Speaker 1: A little like deep dish? You know that kind of

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Speaker 1: I used to be a pizza snob. I've changed my ways.

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Speaker 2: I grew up in New York, so according to me,

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Speaker 2: there was only one right way to make pizza for

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Speaker 2: a while. I've yes, I could handle Chicago deep dish,

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Speaker 2: I could.

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Speaker 1: Handle Detroit style. I can. I'll tell you what. There's

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Speaker 1: not bad pizza out in California. You got a search

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Speaker 1: for it, but we know that.

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Speaker 10: Speaking of Dowie's, yeah, I think when I moved out here,

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Speaker 10: there's place up in Arcadia called Uncle Red's very dowe

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Speaker 10: But I enjoyed it very very good.

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Speaker 1: By the way, yesterday, as Monsei and I were doing

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Speaker 1: our show, we were waiting on the Jets to, you know,

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Speaker 1: make the last selection two fifty seven, mister irrelevant, and

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Speaker 1: I was champion my son from another mother and father,

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Speaker 1: Sam Hartman, that would have been the perfect choice. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean the Jets, I mean with the flowing locks.

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Speaker 1: The guy has become the absolute heart throb. He's the

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Speaker 1: women across them area TikTok. They that replay of that

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Speaker 1: forty yard dash of the combine with a flowing locks.

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Speaker 1: He got signed to a UDFA by the commanders. Yeah

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Speaker 1: he did.

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Speaker 8: He's the biggest guarantee. It was twenty thousand signing bonus.

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Speaker 1: Yeah he got we got two hundred, he.

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Speaker 7: Got two hundred and twenty five base salary, a twenty

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Speaker 7: thousand dollars signing bonus.

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Speaker 1: Right, yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, he's doing just fine.

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Speaker 1: So Sam Hartman, my son with a different mother and father,

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Speaker 1: he would he would have been the perfect guy. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: in New York.

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Speaker 2: Well, say it's right now, ladies. He's got twenty thousand

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Speaker 2: large to.

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Speaker 1: Spoil you with exactly Sam Hartman. By the way, the

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Speaker 1: odds are out on who is going to be the

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Speaker 1: number one overall pick next year. The favorite is Chador Sanders. Interesting. Now,

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Speaker 1: one thing about Shador Sanders. I mean he certainly has

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Speaker 1: NFL level ability to throw the football, but his decision making.

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Speaker 1: I've never seen a quarterback at any level take more

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Speaker 1: twenty yards than Schudor Sanders did. He has got to

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Speaker 1: learn that going in retreat straight backwards is never a

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01:59:08,640 --> 01:59:09,160
Speaker 1: good idea.

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Speaker 10: Yes, I have all the family baggage with it, mister Dad.

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Speaker 10: I don't want him throwing in cold weather cities.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. He By the way, his father, Dion has said

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Speaker 1: he will not be following his sons into the NFL.

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Speaker 1: I don't know any NFL team that's screaming for the

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Speaker 1: services of Dion Sanders after Colorado's complete collapse last year,

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Speaker 1: losing eight of their last nine games. That's fair, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I would argue it's fair.

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Speaker 2: Look, I mean, Deon Sanders, he avails himself to all

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Speaker 2: the smoke.

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Speaker 1: That guy likes to make.

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Speaker 2: A lot of noise on social media, and so you

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Speaker 2: got to take the praise and the criticism bowl.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they finished last in the conference, so

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Speaker 1: I mean, but but.

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Speaker 2: But let's be honest, they're not even in that conference anymore.

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Speaker 1: They're not. They're into the Big twelve. That's right. I

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Speaker 1: can't wait for next college with Els.

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Speaker 10: This is gonna be absolutely whack out of control, this

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Speaker 10: stuffy Yeah. Shout out to Tony Kahan, son of Shad Khan,

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Speaker 10: who was wearing a neck brace during the entire draft

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Speaker 10: to keep the cell from his a w appearance there,

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Speaker 10: just committing to the bit, having so much fun.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god.

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Speaker 10: Really Yeah, he took a bump in like an aw thing,

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Speaker 10: and he was wearing a neck brace all three days.

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Speaker 10: They kept cutting to him just sitting next to his dad.

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Speaker 10: He's got this giant comical like he had broken his back.

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Speaker 1: Dude, that's great, that's great. I was living his best life. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he certainly is. Well. The fact is we're living in

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Speaker 1: the NFL's world. Yeah, seven hundred thousand fans in Detroit

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Speaker 1: showed up for the three days of the draft. That

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Speaker 1: is absolute in sanity. All right, Richie, it's time to

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Speaker 1: hand it off, keep it here. This is Fox Sports Radio.