1 00:00:11,697 --> 00:00:14,977 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Buck Sexton Show podcast, make sure 2 00:00:15,017 --> 00:00:17,977 Speaker 1: you subscribe to the podcast on the iHeartRadio app or 3 00:00:18,017 --> 00:00:19,897 Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts. 4 00:00:20,137 --> 00:00:24,337 Speaker 2: All right, what's next for Israel's war against Hamas. We 5 00:00:24,457 --> 00:00:29,497 Speaker 2: have people over at Axios, for example, sharing this that 6 00:00:29,817 --> 00:00:34,217 Speaker 2: Israel plans do the quote occupy and flatten all of 7 00:00:34,297 --> 00:00:37,017 Speaker 2: Gaza if no hostage and ceasefire deal is reached by 8 00:00:37,017 --> 00:00:39,617 Speaker 2: the end of President Trump's trip to the Middle East. 9 00:00:39,977 --> 00:00:42,057 Speaker 3: That is from a fellow named Barack Ravid. 10 00:00:43,137 --> 00:00:46,417 Speaker 2: David Ifoon joins us now and he is the publisher 11 00:00:46,457 --> 00:00:49,137 Speaker 2: of the New York Sun, and we're going to dive 12 00:00:49,177 --> 00:00:50,577 Speaker 2: into all this now, David, always good to. 13 00:00:50,497 --> 00:00:52,657 Speaker 1: See you likewise, but. 14 00:00:54,177 --> 00:00:55,937 Speaker 3: Well, what do you make of this? I mean, this 15 00:00:56,057 --> 00:00:57,057 Speaker 3: is from Axios. 16 00:00:57,057 --> 00:01:00,177 Speaker 2: They're saying that the next phase is to quote flatten 17 00:01:00,337 --> 00:01:03,737 Speaker 2: all of Gaza and occupy it if there are if 18 00:01:03,777 --> 00:01:06,857 Speaker 2: there's not a full release of all remaining hostages. What 19 00:01:06,897 --> 00:01:08,617 Speaker 2: can you tell us about the state of this war 20 00:01:08,657 --> 00:01:09,617 Speaker 2: and what happens next. 21 00:01:11,777 --> 00:01:14,377 Speaker 1: It's interesting that you bring this up, Buck. You know, 22 00:01:14,537 --> 00:01:18,537 Speaker 1: I was in Israel back in two thousand and five 23 00:01:19,457 --> 00:01:22,657 Speaker 1: when Israel pulled out of the Gaza strip and I 24 00:01:22,697 --> 00:01:24,217 Speaker 1: hate to take you all the way back, but it 25 00:01:24,297 --> 00:01:28,977 Speaker 1: is relevant that was at the time Israel governed the 26 00:01:28,977 --> 00:01:30,417 Speaker 1: whole of the Gaza Strip. There was a lot of 27 00:01:30,417 --> 00:01:35,417 Speaker 1: international pressure regarding peacemaking. If you listeners will recall, Ariel 28 00:01:35,457 --> 00:01:37,697 Speaker 1: Sharon was the one who spearheaded this. He actually had 29 00:01:37,737 --> 00:01:39,377 Speaker 1: to form a new government in order to be able 30 00:01:39,377 --> 00:01:41,617 Speaker 1: to pull it off. He was encouraged at the time 31 00:01:41,617 --> 00:01:44,817 Speaker 1: by George W. Bush and Condoleeza Rice, but ultimately ended 32 00:01:44,857 --> 00:01:47,377 Speaker 1: up pulling all Israelis out of the Gaza Strip in 33 00:01:47,457 --> 00:01:49,857 Speaker 1: two thousand and five. I was there for all the protests. 34 00:01:49,897 --> 00:01:52,417 Speaker 1: I saw the chaos on the ground. I saw, you know, 35 00:01:52,497 --> 00:01:56,617 Speaker 1: some of you might remember the orange shirts. That was 36 00:01:56,697 --> 00:01:59,617 Speaker 1: kind of the banners, and the theme of the protests was 37 00:02:00,017 --> 00:02:02,897 Speaker 1: color orange. But you know, people were really screaming and 38 00:02:02,937 --> 00:02:06,097 Speaker 1: shouting about the disaster that they felt would unfold at 39 00:02:06,097 --> 00:02:09,417 Speaker 1: the time, and it so happens. You know, since Hamas 40 00:02:09,497 --> 00:02:11,857 Speaker 1: took over Gaza in two thousand and seven, which is 41 00:02:11,937 --> 00:02:15,337 Speaker 1: just two years after that pullout, I've now been in 42 00:02:15,337 --> 00:02:20,657 Speaker 1: the position where I've basically overseen coverage of five different 43 00:02:20,897 --> 00:02:24,417 Speaker 1: wars in Gaza, five different wars in Gaza, and what 44 00:02:24,537 --> 00:02:30,017 Speaker 1: has become quite apparent even throughout this latest round, is 45 00:02:30,057 --> 00:02:32,497 Speaker 1: that if you really do want a scenario where there 46 00:02:32,537 --> 00:02:36,457 Speaker 1: are no more wars in Gaza, which obviously is good 47 00:02:36,497 --> 00:02:38,737 Speaker 1: for the people of Israel, but more than the people 48 00:02:38,737 --> 00:02:42,577 Speaker 1: of Israel, even it's good for the people in Gaza, 49 00:02:42,657 --> 00:02:44,777 Speaker 1: you need to get rid of Hamas, and you need 50 00:02:44,777 --> 00:02:47,377 Speaker 1: to get rid of them completely. You know, to get 51 00:02:47,457 --> 00:02:49,497 Speaker 1: rid of eighty percent of Hamas or ninety percent of 52 00:02:49,537 --> 00:02:52,017 Speaker 1: Mamas is like getting rid of eighty or ninety percent 53 00:02:52,017 --> 00:02:54,937 Speaker 1: of a buyer. As some Israeli officials have put it, 54 00:02:54,937 --> 00:02:59,057 Speaker 1: it will sprout again and will take over again if 55 00:02:59,097 --> 00:03:01,817 Speaker 1: it's not if it is not completely excised, they have 56 00:03:02,217 --> 00:03:05,817 Speaker 1: Harmas has taken over every single element of society and 57 00:03:05,937 --> 00:03:08,777 Speaker 1: living in the Gaza strip. And you know, I think 58 00:03:08,777 --> 00:03:10,977 Speaker 1: at the beginning of this process, it seems he's really 59 00:03:11,057 --> 00:03:12,897 Speaker 1: sort of tried to see if they could figure out 60 00:03:12,937 --> 00:03:15,577 Speaker 1: how to get Hamas out of the picture using more 61 00:03:15,577 --> 00:03:17,897 Speaker 1: conventional methods. But it seems that they've arrived at the 62 00:03:17,937 --> 00:03:20,737 Speaker 1: conclusion that the only way to really do that is 63 00:03:20,777 --> 00:03:24,417 Speaker 1: to just sweep the slate entirely clean and stuff from 64 00:03:24,417 --> 00:03:25,097 Speaker 1: scratch again. 65 00:03:26,857 --> 00:03:29,497 Speaker 2: So does it seem like then it is true that 66 00:03:29,577 --> 00:03:34,537 Speaker 2: is there going to be some uh taking occupy, occupying 67 00:03:34,857 --> 00:03:39,577 Speaker 2: occupation of this area that is essentially like a DMZ. 68 00:03:39,857 --> 00:03:41,857 Speaker 3: Do you think that's is that going to be the plan? 69 00:03:42,897 --> 00:03:45,297 Speaker 1: I mean, it certainly looks like they're lining that up. 70 00:03:45,377 --> 00:03:48,137 Speaker 1: Is an option. You know, it would be easy for 71 00:03:48,177 --> 00:03:51,897 Speaker 1: everybody if Hamas just demilitarized, give up, the hostages, stepped 72 00:03:51,897 --> 00:03:55,457 Speaker 1: out of the picture. But it seems apparent they're not 73 00:03:55,457 --> 00:03:57,537 Speaker 1: going to do that. And if they aren't going to 74 00:03:57,617 --> 00:04:01,257 Speaker 1: do that, Israel is basically faced with two choices, right. 75 00:04:01,737 --> 00:04:04,417 Speaker 1: One choice is to kind of continue with the status 76 00:04:04,497 --> 00:04:09,577 Speaker 1: quote where Hamas is still placing a stranglehold on how 77 00:04:09,617 --> 00:04:12,817 Speaker 1: the flow of goods and aid circulate. They're still controlling 78 00:04:12,857 --> 00:04:14,817 Speaker 1: the lives of a lot of the people in Gaza. 79 00:04:15,337 --> 00:04:18,177 Speaker 1: They still have the capacity to wage water to some degree, 80 00:04:18,177 --> 00:04:20,857 Speaker 1: and obviously if they're left alone, they will continue to 81 00:04:20,897 --> 00:04:23,017 Speaker 1: be able to do that to a larger degree. So 82 00:04:24,017 --> 00:04:27,777 Speaker 1: that's option one. Option two is to just, you know what, 83 00:04:28,257 --> 00:04:32,337 Speaker 1: could completely take over and remove Hamas from power and 84 00:04:32,377 --> 00:04:34,977 Speaker 1: everything that relates to it and start again from scratch. 85 00:04:35,617 --> 00:04:37,737 Speaker 1: And you know, obviously that's not going to be easy. 86 00:04:37,737 --> 00:04:39,537 Speaker 1: It's not easy for Israel. They've got to put their 87 00:04:39,537 --> 00:04:43,177 Speaker 1: soldiers into hum'swey again. There's a huge mobilization effort now 88 00:04:43,177 --> 00:04:45,057 Speaker 1: in the south of Israel. I mean, people down there 89 00:04:45,057 --> 00:04:47,737 Speaker 1: tell me all the tanks are going down, all of 90 00:04:47,777 --> 00:04:50,777 Speaker 1: the reservists are being called up. I mean, they are 91 00:04:50,817 --> 00:04:55,777 Speaker 1: mobilizing right now for full scale war. So it's not 92 00:04:55,897 --> 00:04:59,057 Speaker 1: easy for Israel. It's not easy for gardens either, in 93 00:04:59,097 --> 00:05:01,977 Speaker 1: the sense that you know, a lot of garzens have 94 00:05:02,097 --> 00:05:05,097 Speaker 1: been displaced for a very long time. We're seeing now 95 00:05:05,737 --> 00:05:07,297 Speaker 1: what I think we believe for a long time that 96 00:05:07,337 --> 00:05:10,297 Speaker 1: a lot of gardens don't support Hamas. I mean, plenty 97 00:05:10,297 --> 00:05:12,857 Speaker 1: of gardens do support Hamas, but there are also gardens 98 00:05:12,857 --> 00:05:17,057 Speaker 1: that don't their effectivity living under a totalitarian regime where 99 00:05:18,097 --> 00:05:20,897 Speaker 1: every single aspect of their lives is owned by Hamas. 100 00:05:21,257 --> 00:05:25,057 Speaker 1: Their food, the medicine, their kids' lives is owned by Hamas. 101 00:05:25,457 --> 00:05:27,697 Speaker 1: So you know, it would certainly be a tough period. 102 00:05:27,817 --> 00:05:29,417 Speaker 1: But if at the end of it, there's a scenario 103 00:05:29,417 --> 00:05:32,977 Speaker 1: where there's no Hamas and you know, they can start 104 00:05:33,017 --> 00:05:36,457 Speaker 1: the process of rebuilding with new power structures. At least 105 00:05:36,857 --> 00:05:40,737 Speaker 1: certainly there's a real opportunity for Israelis to be free 106 00:05:40,777 --> 00:05:44,017 Speaker 1: and at peace, and also an opportunity for Garzen people 107 00:05:44,097 --> 00:05:47,057 Speaker 1: to finally live in a scenario where where they can 108 00:05:47,097 --> 00:05:49,737 Speaker 1: have direct relations with the world at large or why 109 00:05:49,777 --> 00:05:53,137 Speaker 1: the community, whether kids aren't being recruited for terror all 110 00:05:53,217 --> 00:05:56,137 Speaker 1: day and all night. They can have access, open access 111 00:05:56,137 --> 00:05:59,097 Speaker 1: to information and maybe create the embers of living in 112 00:05:59,177 --> 00:06:01,457 Speaker 1: a better world and a better future for themselves and 113 00:06:01,497 --> 00:06:02,177 Speaker 1: their families. 114 00:06:02,377 --> 00:06:05,297 Speaker 2: So is it then accurate you think to say that 115 00:06:05,337 --> 00:06:09,177 Speaker 2: the goal here, the strategy for the IDF, these really 116 00:06:09,177 --> 00:06:12,937 Speaker 2: defense forces, is the destruction of Hamas as an entity. 117 00:06:13,017 --> 00:06:14,137 Speaker 3: That that is accurate? Right? 118 00:06:14,177 --> 00:06:16,097 Speaker 2: If this, if this war goes the way that it 119 00:06:16,137 --> 00:06:20,977 Speaker 2: seems to be, it's not beat back Hamas until they 120 00:06:21,137 --> 00:06:24,777 Speaker 2: are at a fraction of their normal or you know, 121 00:06:24,937 --> 00:06:29,457 Speaker 2: general strength. It is Hamas is effectively an issue no more. 122 00:06:29,577 --> 00:06:29,857 Speaker 3: Is that? 123 00:06:30,017 --> 00:06:33,257 Speaker 1: Is that accurate? I mean, that's exactly accurate. And that's 124 00:06:33,297 --> 00:06:37,017 Speaker 1: why you know, when when officials are talking about flattening Gaza, 125 00:06:37,577 --> 00:06:40,977 Speaker 1: this is not kind of like a salt the Earth strategy. 126 00:06:41,617 --> 00:06:44,337 Speaker 1: It's it's it's actually quite pragmatic in the sense that 127 00:06:44,857 --> 00:06:48,297 Speaker 1: throughout the years that you know, Gaza has been built 128 00:06:48,377 --> 00:06:51,697 Speaker 1: up in the way that it's been built Hamas infrastructure 129 00:06:51,777 --> 00:06:55,537 Speaker 1: has been integrated into absolutely everything and everywhere. I mean, 130 00:06:55,617 --> 00:06:59,057 Speaker 1: there are you know, super high end apartment buildings in 131 00:06:59,097 --> 00:07:02,417 Speaker 1: Gaza that have you know, Hamas tunnels and Hamas infrastructure 132 00:07:02,457 --> 00:07:05,097 Speaker 1: built into them. A lot of them were funded by Katar, 133 00:07:05,297 --> 00:07:07,457 Speaker 1: by the way, and you know, it's hard to see 134 00:07:07,457 --> 00:07:10,377 Speaker 1: a scenario where Katar wasn't complicit in that. But I mean, 135 00:07:10,417 --> 00:07:13,537 Speaker 1: the only way to sort of know with certainty that 136 00:07:13,657 --> 00:07:17,617 Speaker 1: Hamas is gone is really to take an inch by 137 00:07:17,657 --> 00:07:21,297 Speaker 1: inch approach, and that involves, you know, looking under every 138 00:07:21,337 --> 00:07:24,857 Speaker 1: stone and every rock and every tunnel and every building, 139 00:07:25,337 --> 00:07:28,297 Speaker 1: and that's you know, what would be necessary in order 140 00:07:28,337 --> 00:07:31,017 Speaker 1: to achieve that result. I think that's it seems to 141 00:07:31,057 --> 00:07:33,457 Speaker 1: me that that is what the Israelis have determined. After 142 00:07:33,497 --> 00:07:38,697 Speaker 1: going at this for for nearly two years. 143 00:07:36,977 --> 00:07:40,617 Speaker 2: It's been it's been a long fight already. How much 144 00:07:40,657 --> 00:07:42,777 Speaker 2: longer do you think it will take before they would 145 00:07:42,817 --> 00:07:43,857 Speaker 2: achieve that objective? 146 00:07:45,577 --> 00:07:47,857 Speaker 1: Well, I think you know when it has gone for 147 00:07:47,857 --> 00:07:49,457 Speaker 1: a long time. But just keep in mind that they've 148 00:07:49,497 --> 00:07:51,977 Speaker 1: been in different phases, right, There'll be phases where it's 149 00:07:52,017 --> 00:07:56,697 Speaker 1: paused for negotiations as phases, and then the various you know, 150 00:07:56,777 --> 00:07:59,417 Speaker 1: short term deals that have been enacted. 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What 203 00:10:34,577 --> 00:10:38,577 Speaker 2: do you think the posture of Israel is right now 204 00:10:38,617 --> 00:10:42,937 Speaker 2: with the Iranian nuclear program? And what should the Trump 205 00:10:43,017 --> 00:10:44,777 Speaker 2: administration be doing? 206 00:10:47,217 --> 00:10:50,817 Speaker 1: Well? Look, first of all, just to put a line 207 00:10:50,897 --> 00:10:53,777 Speaker 1: under sort of the contrasting visions for how to deal 208 00:10:53,937 --> 00:10:58,137 Speaker 1: with Iran, the view of the if I'm administration, for example, 209 00:10:58,177 --> 00:11:01,777 Speaker 1: And frankly, you know, at certain times and from certain 210 00:11:01,777 --> 00:11:04,057 Speaker 1: people in the Trump administration, you hear the same thing 211 00:11:04,577 --> 00:11:08,217 Speaker 1: the Europeans. You hear Iran cannot be allowed to get 212 00:11:08,217 --> 00:11:11,857 Speaker 1: a nuclear weapon, right. The position of the Israelis is 213 00:11:12,497 --> 00:11:17,257 Speaker 1: Iran cannot be allowed to have nuclear weapons capability, which 214 00:11:17,257 --> 00:11:21,137 Speaker 1: are two completely different ideas. One is that Iran might 215 00:11:21,177 --> 00:11:23,737 Speaker 1: have the tools in its kitchen to create a nuclear weapon, 216 00:11:24,097 --> 00:11:27,017 Speaker 1: but we're not gonna allow them to push the button, 217 00:11:28,097 --> 00:11:30,737 Speaker 1: and the Israelis always maintained, well, that's very risky. You 218 00:11:30,817 --> 00:11:32,537 Speaker 1: kind of have to trust the Iranians if you're going 219 00:11:32,617 --> 00:11:35,857 Speaker 1: to allow them to have the whole setup. We want 220 00:11:35,857 --> 00:11:38,297 Speaker 1: a scenario where they're not just pulling out the plug 221 00:11:38,337 --> 00:11:41,657 Speaker 1: from the machines, but they are dismantling the machines entirely, 222 00:11:41,777 --> 00:11:46,897 Speaker 1: and the and the weapons production capability. So that's been 223 00:11:46,977 --> 00:11:49,497 Speaker 1: kind of a source of a big disagreement for a 224 00:11:49,497 --> 00:11:52,417 Speaker 1: long time. And you know, I think in the early days, 225 00:11:52,497 --> 00:11:54,617 Speaker 1: you know, with Witgoff and others sort of talking about 226 00:11:54,617 --> 00:11:57,537 Speaker 1: engaging with Iran, they were using similar language to the 227 00:11:57,537 --> 00:12:02,457 Speaker 1: above administration, which certainly had the Israelis alarmed. But more recently, 228 00:12:02,737 --> 00:12:05,137 Speaker 1: you know, the language has been more precise in the 229 00:12:05,177 --> 00:12:07,817 Speaker 1: sense that they're saying, we don't want to allow nuclear 230 00:12:07,857 --> 00:12:10,417 Speaker 1: weapons capability. I mean, look, at the end of the day, 231 00:12:11,337 --> 00:12:14,537 Speaker 1: the best way to deal with this is for the 232 00:12:14,577 --> 00:12:20,217 Speaker 1: Iranians to understand that they have a really serious amount 233 00:12:20,297 --> 00:12:24,057 Speaker 1: at stake if they continue to pursue it and to 234 00:12:25,017 --> 00:12:27,017 Speaker 1: undo the progress that they've done on their own, which 235 00:12:27,057 --> 00:12:31,657 Speaker 1: is obviously really difficult, but there is I would say 236 00:12:31,657 --> 00:12:34,897 Speaker 1: a window now, an opportunity. Now Iran is incredibly weak 237 00:12:34,937 --> 00:12:39,057 Speaker 1: and incredibly isolated. The Trump administration has shown this ability 238 00:12:39,097 --> 00:12:43,417 Speaker 1: to be super tough on Iran in terms of sanctions, 239 00:12:43,457 --> 00:12:45,617 Speaker 1: and I think if they really ratchet up the pressure 240 00:12:45,657 --> 00:12:48,177 Speaker 1: and they it seems like they've at least opened up 241 00:12:48,177 --> 00:12:51,937 Speaker 1: a willingness to do so, there is the possibility of 242 00:12:51,977 --> 00:12:56,857 Speaker 1: achieving that outcome without the need for any military intervention. Obviously, 243 00:12:57,457 --> 00:13:01,217 Speaker 1: having a credible threat for military intervention is part of 244 00:13:01,257 --> 00:13:04,097 Speaker 1: what it takes to get the Iranians to take this seriously. 245 00:13:04,657 --> 00:13:08,297 Speaker 1: The other factor, which of course is significant and should 246 00:13:08,297 --> 00:13:12,697 Speaker 1: not be underestimate, tool is the degree of internal opposition 247 00:13:12,777 --> 00:13:16,457 Speaker 1: that you have in Iran, and the weakening of the 248 00:13:16,497 --> 00:13:20,217 Speaker 1: regime by the Trump administration of buying the international community 249 00:13:20,257 --> 00:13:24,777 Speaker 1: by definition strengthens the internal opposition within the country. So 250 00:13:24,977 --> 00:13:28,697 Speaker 1: the two peaceful ways are, you know, pressure that is 251 00:13:28,777 --> 00:13:33,577 Speaker 1: absolutely ascruciating on the Iranian regime, that that you know, 252 00:13:33,657 --> 00:13:36,377 Speaker 1: convinces it that it's worth getting rid of the nuclear 253 00:13:36,417 --> 00:13:42,977 Speaker 1: program or and possibly simultaneously, the strengthening of the internal 254 00:13:42,977 --> 00:13:46,537 Speaker 1: opposition to the point where regime changes is a real threat. 255 00:13:47,337 --> 00:13:49,897 Speaker 1: But in the end of the day, you know, the 256 00:13:49,937 --> 00:13:52,817 Speaker 1: military option, you know, needs to be on the table, 257 00:13:53,057 --> 00:13:57,137 Speaker 1: either as a as a practical last resort or as 258 00:13:57,217 --> 00:14:00,577 Speaker 1: you know, a very firm alternative pathway that is presented 259 00:14:00,617 --> 00:14:03,497 Speaker 1: to the any regime to the extent that they're looking 260 00:14:03,537 --> 00:14:05,857 Speaker 1: at these conversations and taking them really seriously. 261 00:14:07,137 --> 00:14:10,577 Speaker 2: Talk about the campus anti semitism stuff here a second. 262 00:14:10,657 --> 00:14:11,177 Speaker 3: At first up. 263 00:14:11,177 --> 00:14:13,297 Speaker 2: You know, Mother's Day is approaching, and I want to 264 00:14:13,337 --> 00:14:17,657 Speaker 2: highlight an organization our sponsor here that cares deeply about mothers. 265 00:14:17,737 --> 00:14:18,217 Speaker 3: Preborn. 266 00:14:18,497 --> 00:14:21,737 Speaker 2: Preborn's network of clinics exist to offer love, life and 267 00:14:21,777 --> 00:14:24,137 Speaker 2: support to pregnant women who are feeling scared and alone 268 00:14:24,617 --> 00:14:27,377 Speaker 2: and are being pressured to make that choice that will 269 00:14:27,377 --> 00:14:29,737 Speaker 2: not only sacrifice the life of their preborn baby, but 270 00:14:29,777 --> 00:14:31,577 Speaker 2: take a piece of their heart with it. 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I don't know if you saw, but Bill 284 00:15:09,617 --> 00:15:11,937 Speaker 2: Ackman talking about that there needs to be some change 285 00:15:11,937 --> 00:15:14,017 Speaker 2: at Harvard at the very at the very top level. 286 00:15:15,057 --> 00:15:16,937 Speaker 2: I think in the Board of Overseers or that you know, 287 00:15:17,017 --> 00:15:19,497 Speaker 2: the whatever it is, you know, you giving me a face, 288 00:15:19,497 --> 00:15:21,537 Speaker 2: what you don't you don't like your you want the 289 00:15:21,537 --> 00:15:22,697 Speaker 2: Harvard board to stay the same. 290 00:15:22,697 --> 00:15:23,537 Speaker 3: What do you think about this? 291 00:15:25,057 --> 00:15:29,217 Speaker 1: I don't know. I think it's it's insane what's going 292 00:15:29,257 --> 00:15:33,177 Speaker 1: on there. And I don't want to compare campus to 293 00:15:33,657 --> 00:15:37,817 Speaker 1: Gaza and Hamas, But you know, these kind of ideas 294 00:15:37,817 --> 00:15:41,097 Speaker 1: are just so deeply integrated into every level of some 295 00:15:41,217 --> 00:15:45,657 Speaker 1: of these elite liberal institutions in this country that it's 296 00:15:45,657 --> 00:15:48,817 Speaker 1: hot to see that any of these changes, superficial changes 297 00:15:48,857 --> 00:15:50,297 Speaker 1: are really going to make a difference. I mean, the 298 00:15:50,297 --> 00:15:52,537 Speaker 1: truth is, you want to change Harbor, you've got to 299 00:15:52,617 --> 00:15:56,897 Speaker 1: fire half the professors and bring in people with alternative views. Now, 300 00:15:56,937 --> 00:15:59,377 Speaker 1: what are the chances of that happening? You know, you're 301 00:15:59,377 --> 00:16:01,377 Speaker 1: going to change the overseers. Are they going to do that? 302 00:16:01,537 --> 00:16:03,577 Speaker 1: Is anybody going to do that? Like, if you really 303 00:16:03,577 --> 00:16:06,617 Speaker 1: want to have an open minded institution where you have 304 00:16:06,657 --> 00:16:11,097 Speaker 1: free debate, free discussion, free ideas, you can't have ninety 305 00:16:11,097 --> 00:16:13,977 Speaker 1: eight percent of all of the personnel being sort of 306 00:16:14,057 --> 00:16:18,897 Speaker 1: apparatics for the Soviets or you know, whatever the liberal 307 00:16:19,217 --> 00:16:23,257 Speaker 1: the work zeitgeist is at that particular time. So the 308 00:16:23,337 --> 00:16:27,377 Speaker 1: truth is, I think the more realistic pathway is not 309 00:16:27,417 --> 00:16:29,737 Speaker 1: that Harvard's going to change or Yale it's going to change. 310 00:16:30,217 --> 00:16:33,497 Speaker 1: Is that alternative institutions are going to displace them. And 311 00:16:33,537 --> 00:16:35,537 Speaker 1: you know, you're already seeing sort of what they call 312 00:16:35,577 --> 00:16:38,297 Speaker 1: the Ivyes of the South. I know, in the Jewish community, 313 00:16:38,337 --> 00:16:40,217 Speaker 1: it used to be a huge badge of honor to 314 00:16:40,257 --> 00:16:43,137 Speaker 1: go to Harvard or Yale or this or that. Now 315 00:16:43,177 --> 00:16:45,057 Speaker 1: a lot of parents are telling their kids, you know, 316 00:16:45,097 --> 00:16:47,937 Speaker 1: what you pick something else, you know, it's just not 317 00:16:48,057 --> 00:16:50,417 Speaker 1: worth it. And the truth is, if you have to 318 00:16:50,457 --> 00:16:53,617 Speaker 1: think about it big picture, you know, those are very 319 00:16:53,657 --> 00:16:57,817 Speaker 1: powerful brands, but they should not take for granted just 320 00:16:57,857 --> 00:17:01,497 Speaker 1: how quickly big brands can become devalued. I mean, you 321 00:17:01,537 --> 00:17:03,817 Speaker 1: saw what happened with bud Light or this or that. 322 00:17:04,177 --> 00:17:07,097 Speaker 1: You know, if that Zeit guy sort of takes hold, 323 00:17:08,257 --> 00:17:09,977 Speaker 1: you know, the brand of Harvard and the brand of 324 00:17:10,137 --> 00:17:12,937 Speaker 1: Yale will just not have carry the same weight or 325 00:17:12,937 --> 00:17:15,857 Speaker 1: the same value that they've carried in the past. You know, 326 00:17:15,897 --> 00:17:20,897 Speaker 1: in the end of the day, frankly, you know, Harvard Yale, 327 00:17:21,017 --> 00:17:25,177 Speaker 1: if we're talking about anti Semitism, they need their Jews 328 00:17:25,417 --> 00:17:28,737 Speaker 1: more than the Jews need need Harvard. That's the truth, 329 00:17:29,057 --> 00:17:31,297 Speaker 1: because you know, if there is a boycott, if people 330 00:17:31,297 --> 00:17:33,617 Speaker 1: aren't sending their kids there, if Jewish or as ready, 331 00:17:33,657 --> 00:17:37,937 Speaker 1: professors don't want to teach there, if if they don't 332 00:17:37,937 --> 00:17:41,017 Speaker 1: want to engage in you know, shared research programs, you 333 00:17:41,057 --> 00:17:44,257 Speaker 1: know you'll end up with just this rabbel, you know 334 00:17:44,417 --> 00:17:48,817 Speaker 1: echo chamber of kind of like radicals, and they'll just 335 00:17:48,937 --> 00:17:51,137 Speaker 1: you know, feed off each other and eat each other alive. 336 00:17:51,777 --> 00:17:54,417 Speaker 1: And you know it'll be the end of these great institutions, 337 00:17:54,457 --> 00:17:57,497 Speaker 1: and certainly what Trump's doing on the on the money 338 00:17:58,457 --> 00:18:02,177 Speaker 1: is gonna certainly accelerate that significant. 339 00:18:02,337 --> 00:18:04,577 Speaker 2: Do you agree with with that position from Trump that 340 00:18:04,657 --> 00:18:06,657 Speaker 2: if these places don't clean up their rack, they should 341 00:18:06,657 --> 00:18:08,217 Speaker 2: stop getting the federal dollars they're getting. 342 00:18:10,697 --> 00:18:13,777 Speaker 1: I think so in the sense that you know, there 343 00:18:14,057 --> 00:18:17,977 Speaker 1: federal dollars always have strings attached, right, It's not like 344 00:18:18,577 --> 00:18:20,777 Speaker 1: a given, it's not a right to get to get 345 00:18:20,857 --> 00:18:23,857 Speaker 1: money from the government. 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