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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Bloomberg Law Podcast. I'm June Grosso. Every

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Speaker 1: day we bring you insight and analysis into the most

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Speaker 1: important legal news of the day. You can find more

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court appeared ready to act on President Trump's attempt

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Speaker 1: to end deportation protections for Dreamers. So what happened? The

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Speaker 1: case disappeared and not just one of many mysteries in

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Speaker 1: the Supreme Court term. Joining me is Bloomberg new Supreme

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Speaker 1: Court reporter of Greg's store has been sort of a

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court detective. With his latest story, Greg explain what

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Speaker 1: other polarizing cases the Court has been putting off June.

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Speaker 1: There's quite a list of them, and there there's some

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Speaker 1: of the biggest issues in the country. Uh. There are

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Speaker 1: several abortion cases that the Court has been a deferring

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Speaker 1: action on. There's a big case involving uh, gay rights.

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Speaker 1: And it's another appeal by a baker who was penalized

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Speaker 1: for not making a cake for a same sex wedding.

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Speaker 1: Um very similar to the case the Court had a

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Speaker 1: couple of years ago. Uh, there's a case involving transgender

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Speaker 1: student bathroom rights. Uh. The list goes on and on,

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Speaker 1: and they're all in different situations, and in many cases

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Speaker 1: it's really not clear what the delay is all about.

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Speaker 1: Is there any way to tell if this is the

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Speaker 1: work of all the justices or specific justices. Well, there's

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Speaker 1: some reason to think that it's it's the justices who

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Speaker 1: are right now are most important on the court. John

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Speaker 1: Roberts the chief Justice, and Brett Cavanaugh, the newest Justice,

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Speaker 1: because they seem to be the ones who are putting

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Speaker 1: the brakes on some of the more ambitious agenda items

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Speaker 1: of the more conservative justices. Um, you know, both of

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Speaker 1: them have reasons why they want might want the Court

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Speaker 1: to move pretty slowly on these hot button issues. John

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Speaker 1: Roberts has talked a lot about the institutional standing of

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Speaker 1: the court as chief Justice. He seems to feel it's

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Speaker 1: his his duty to really protect that, and he's concerned

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Speaker 1: about the Court seeming too political too fast. And Brett Havanaugh,

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Speaker 1: you know, may well have a desire to just kind

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Speaker 1: of lay low a little bit after the very divisive

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Speaker 1: confirmation fight that he had last year. Now, abortion is

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Speaker 1: an area where conservative state legislatures are pushing the court.

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Speaker 1: Alabama just passed the strictest abortion law in the country

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Speaker 1: as a way to get the justices to reconsider and

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Speaker 1: overturn Roe v. Wade. Is the Court going to have

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Speaker 1: to take up an abortion case if these laws are passed, Yes, Um,

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Speaker 1: but it may not be the big cases that we're

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Speaker 1: talking about. UM. You know there are right now. There

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Speaker 1: are several significant abortion cases that are waiting for the

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Speaker 1: Court to act. There's one that the Court has repeatedly

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Speaker 1: deferred to action on involving in Indiana law that requires

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Speaker 1: abortion clinics to dispose of an aborted fetus either by

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Speaker 1: bear a real or through cremation. Uh. That is a

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Speaker 1: kind of smaller case that you could see the court

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Speaker 1: taking up first. Uh. There's another case that they've really

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Speaker 1: signaled that they're going to take up because they blocked

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Speaker 1: a lower court ruling, which generally means that they they

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Speaker 1: are going to take up the case. That one involves

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Speaker 1: hospital admitting privileges. And if that sounds familiar, the court

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Speaker 1: a couple of terms ago, Uh, yeah, struck down hospital

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Speaker 1: admitting privileges requirement Uh in the state of Texas. Uh.

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Speaker 1: This is a UM. Uh, Louisiana law that is very

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Speaker 1: similar to that, but the lower court came out differently

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Speaker 1: on it, UH and upheld the law. The Supreme Court

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Speaker 1: with John Roberts Jordan, the Liberals put that lower court

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Speaker 1: decision on hold so that the law is not currently

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Speaker 1: in effect. That could well be one that the Court

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Speaker 1: decides to take up next term, and that may be

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Speaker 1: the one and only case they take up before the

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Speaker 1: next election. So if that resurfaces, and if some of

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Speaker 1: the other cases or issues resurface and they decide to

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Speaker 1: take them, the timing would put them right before the

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Speaker 1: isn't that something that Roberts would want to avoid at least? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you might think he would want to. And you know,

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Speaker 1: one of the people I talked to for the story

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Speaker 1: put it was essentially that it's it's um you know,

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Speaker 1: MA seem like the Lusser of two evils for for Roberts,

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Speaker 1: you you know, he has made the calculation, for whatever reason,

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Speaker 1: that it's better to have these issues come up. Uh.

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Speaker 1: even though everybody is well aware that the more issues

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Speaker 1: like this the Court is deciding next year, the more

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Speaker 1: it becomes a big political issue. Now, there are a

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Speaker 1: few political cases or questions they've taken up this term,

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Speaker 1: part of in gerrymandering and the citizenship question on the census. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and both of those I think are fairly described as

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Speaker 1: cases the Court had to take UM. In the case

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Speaker 1: of the census, UH, in the issue of putting a

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Speaker 1: citizenship question on it, first of all, UH now three

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Speaker 1: that UM and the Census Bureau essentially has a deadline

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Speaker 1: of this summer where they have to start printing the questionnaires.

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Speaker 1: And so you really needed an answer one way or another.

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Speaker 1: And this is the kind of issue you would expect

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Speaker 1: the Supreme Court would would feel, you know, we have

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Speaker 1: to decide this, whatever the right answer is. And then

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Speaker 1: the partisan gerrymandering cases, there's a kind of a procedural

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Speaker 1: issue there where under federal law, a lot of cases

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Speaker 1: that involve voting rights, UH get directly appealed to the

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court from a three judge panel, and the Supreme

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Speaker 1: Court doesn't have discretion. For the most part, the Supreme

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Speaker 1: Court can decide what case as it wants, what cases

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Speaker 1: it doesn't want. With these sorts of cases, including political jurymandering,

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Speaker 1: the Court has what's known as mandatory jurisdiction. Now, sometimes

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Speaker 1: they can deal with those cases summarily without actually holding arguments.

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Speaker 1: But obviously the jurymandering cases a is a you know,

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Speaker 1: real serious issue, and it's the kind of thing that

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Speaker 1: the court, uh, you know, generally would want to hear

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Speaker 1: arguments in before making a decision. Now they are going

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Speaker 1: to take up a few cases next term involving employment

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Speaker 1: discrimination against gay and transgender people. Yeah, that that was

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Speaker 1: a set of big cases they just agreed, after you know,

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Speaker 1: months of delay, agreed to hear. And it could have

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Speaker 1: been a case that they heard this term, we could

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Speaker 1: be talking about the arguments that just happened. Instead, it

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Speaker 1: will be next fall, I think most likely in November.

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Speaker 1: The issue there is the interpretation of the main federal

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Speaker 1: job discrimination law known as Title seven, which bars discrimination

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Speaker 1: on the basis of sex, and so the question, uh,

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Speaker 1: there's actually three case is. Two of them involve sexual orientation,

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Speaker 1: one involves gender identity. And the question in all those

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Speaker 1: cases is is that form of discrimination discrimination on the

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Speaker 1: basis of sex? All Right, thank you so much. Greg.

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Speaker 1: That's Greg Store, Bloomberg News Supreme Court reporter. Thanks for

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