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Speaker 1: I mean, do they need any context for how this

425
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:16,440
Speaker 1: song was written? Uh? Yeah, okay. So if you're approaching

426
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,639
Speaker 1: an area that you think there might be a bear in,

427
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 1: it's customary to yell stuff, and a lot of times

428
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 1: people are at a loss for what to yell, and

429
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 1: you'll just yell hey bear. Yeah. Well one time we

430
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,359
Speaker 1: had had a run in with a bear. And then

431
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 1: everybody's trying to scare the bear. The bear is already

432
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,360
Speaker 1: in amongst us. People are trying to scare the bear

433
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 1: by yelling hay bear. And I said, it's stop saying bear.

434
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 1: Unless you see the bears. I can't tell if people

435
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 1: are like, hey a bear, hay bear. So I was like,

436
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 1: no more hay bear, Um, just whatever, go whoa yeah

437
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 1: yeah uh so. But today we're doing we were doing

438
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 1: hay bear to to approach a kill site. We're approaching

439
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 1: to kill site where we had stashed meat, and we

440
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 1: were doing hey bear, just to give a bear a

441
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 1: chance to run off. Yeah, and Clay we started to

442
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 1: write a song about it, and Clay came up with

443
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 1: just a Ripper, Just a ripper, great little jingle, and

444
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 1: we've got a lot of the parts of the song,

445
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 1: but Clay kind of came up with the what do

446
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 1: you call that in a song? It's it's it's it's

447
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 1: the chorus. Course. Yeah, of course, Okay, Clay hit him

448
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 1: with the course. So we're walking, we're walking down the

449
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 1: hill me steven Chester, and we said, hey bear, what

450
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 1: you're gonna do when we come and take that moose

451
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 1: meat away from you? Hey bear? What you gotta do?

452
00:29:56,280 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 1: From d what you're gonna do? We take that moves

453
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 1: meat away from me? And then I wrote a really

454
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 1: really great part that they're trying to cut out of

455
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 1: the song because they're trying to cut me out. So

456
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 1: you can keep the guts in hide, but you can't

457
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 1: have the meat. I got family to feet, dude. The

458
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 1: sun is coming up and the super cubs are coming down.

459
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 1: I gotta get back to Mama. We're headed for town. Bear,

460
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 1: what you gotta do when we take that away from you?

461
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 1: And then we did have the one that we said, hey, Bear,

462
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 1: I'll make a deal with you. You can keep the

463
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 1: guts and hide, and that's as far as we go.

464
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 1: I'll make it with you. I'm gonna sing it if

465
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 1: we get it all together. I'm gonna sing it in

466
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 1: Moose Hunt. I mean that that that's what's about. If

467
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 1: I have time to write the rest. So I've never

468
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 1: played an instrument in my life, and I can't sing.

469
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 1: I'm joking. If Chester has time to work out with

470
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 1: Clay Chess is gonna play it when he opens for

471
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 1: Trampled by Turtles in Atlanta, Georgia on December one, tenth

472
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 1: Buckhead December one, six days before the Pearl Harbor anniversary. Chester.

473
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 1: So you're sitting there saying, uh, you know to your husband,

474
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 1: Oh you know, Pearl Harbor anniversaries coming up in six days.

475
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,239
Speaker 1: You'll be like, oh ship. Chester was playing at night

476
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 1: in Atlanta. He's opening for Trampled by Turtles and he's

477
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 1: a French dan. Uh, he's got Chester. There are a

478
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 1: lot in Chester. Up to forty five minutes. I told

479
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 1: Chester about the curse of the opening act. I have

480
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 1: been trying to implore Chester the grouse you see it.

481
00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 1: I didn't see it up. Yeah, they switched over from

482
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 1: the other side since a couple of years ago. Uh, Chester,

483
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 1: I was telling them this. I didn't. I said, I said,

484
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 1: nothing personal, right, yeah, no, yeah, you said that before

485
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 1: you went into this. I said, we're sitting a seek tent,

486
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 1: which usually means it's very personal. It's very person it's tight,

487
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 1: it's warm, it's tight, a lot of wet clothes drying out.

488
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 1: But it's a lot of steam in the air. And

489
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 1: I said to Chester, in this uh, warm, steaming environment,

490
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: I said, Chester, nothing personal, buddy, but and I hate

491
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 1: to say it to you, Chester. Remember I said all this,

492
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 1: like yeah, and people aren't there for the opening act.

493
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 1: Some are maybe just my mom and dad, but most ain't.

494
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 1: And what you don't want to do no, no, what

495
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 1: what you said was a great descriptor of it. You

496
00:32:55,800 --> 00:33:00,120
Speaker 1: said people typically have the attitude of just endure in

497
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 1: the first act of live music, waiting for it to start.

498
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 1: Just they're just there, you know, they're just enduring it.

499
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 1: Like when I went I just recently got to go

500
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 1: see Chappelle, but he was doing this thing with He's

501
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 1: doing this thing with it was this thing with John Mayer.

502
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 1: So I'm sitting there waiting for Chappelle, but I listened

503
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 1: to John Mayer sing songs. I don't want to do that.

504
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 1: I want to get to the Chapelle part, and I'm like, hey, hey,

505
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 1: and my wife's like, oh, I just love him, so

506
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 1: you know, so I never got to my advice. My

507
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 1: advice was six songs. Keep it tight, keep it because

508
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 1: you know what they're gonna give you the ben for

509
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 1: the doubt. No, I like that advice, Steve, keep it tight.

510
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 1: No one's gonna be like, um, you could have people

511
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 1: won over at at twenty four minutes that you've really

512
00:33:56,360 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 1: really lost at forty five minutes. Just professional advice. We've

513
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 1: covered diminishing returns. You gotta find that sweet spot. We've

514
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 1: covered publishing. You know what I'm gonna try to do.

515
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 1: Here's what we'll try to set up between now and then.

516
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 1: We'll try to get a call in. Here's what are

517
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 1: you comfortable with this? I don't know what you're gonna say.

518
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 1: We'll get, we'll get, we'll get We'll get Luke to

519
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 1: call in to the podcast, and we'll just put the

520
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:30,240
Speaker 1: question to Luke. Yeah, this is good if you agree

521
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 1: to go with what he says. But so, how do

522
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 1: you feel that forty five minutes if you just just

523
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 1: want Mike drop and walk off the stage? He gets up,

524
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:40,319
Speaker 1: he leaves them hot and bothered, and he walks off.

525
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:42,839
Speaker 1: And well, and you you also advised him to play

526
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:47,360
Speaker 1: strongly on his his his true authentic Wisconsin roots, like

527
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 1: just stay true to bear song. Okay, use carlt. So

528
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 1: here's the thing about the pit toilet deal. And this

529
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:59,800
Speaker 1: is where it really gets rich. After we got the

530
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 1: after we covered the mysterious case of a man who

531
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: dropped his phone into a vault toilet at a fishing

532
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:16,359
Speaker 1: access site in Montana, something stripped down. Get this, He's

533
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 1: stripped down buck naked, okay, and climbed down into the

534
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 1: vault where he got stuck. Oh I read this littlemportant detail.

535
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:39,760
Speaker 1: I'd say his phone fell in there. Yeah, totally naked,

536
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 1: nothing between him and the lord except the house. I'm

537
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 1: not gonna well, uh down in the pit toilet and

538
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 1: he was rescued. Now we have we put out that

539
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: we really were dying to get anyone we can on

540
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 1: um to cover this more thoroughly important news item, and

541
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 1: we have a phenomenal podcast guest teed up. People are

542
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 1: gonna be on the edge of their sea is it

543
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,720
Speaker 1: the guy who fell into the edge of their seats

544
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 1: to get it when they hear this, when they hear

545
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 1: this harrowing account of being stuck in and being stuck

546
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 1: in a fishing access toilet vault. And we got an

547
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 1: email on If you go on my Instagram at Stephen Ronelle,

548
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:31,959
Speaker 1: you'll find a very intriguing picture of a young woman,

549
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 1: a cheery young woman half in and half out of

550
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:41,839
Speaker 1: a toilet like the toilet top add about her waistline,

551
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 1: and she's trying to fish her phone out with her feet. Yeah.

552
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 1: I would They were able to recover the phone with

553
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 1: a grabber, as they described they found someone with a grabber.

554
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 1: We also got a sign from a humpy road. We

555
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,320
Speaker 1: got a sign from a pit toilet thing and handed

556
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 1: though where it's like things you're not supposed to do

557
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 1: in the pit toilet, and one of them include someone

558
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:08,280
Speaker 1: standing there with a fishing rod fishing in the toilet.

559
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 1: And it came from a guy who the joke came

560
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 1: from when they found a guy who was trying to

561
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 1: use a fishing rod and awaited hook recover his phone

562
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 1: out of the pit toilet man. Okay, we get a

563
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 1: letter from northwest New Jersey where they have in one

564
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 1: of he doesn't say it, but he says it's one

565
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 1: of New Jersey's best wallet lakes. Uh, there's a state

566
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 1: park and they have a car top boat launch so

567
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 1: not the kind of boat launchry back trailer into the

568
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 1: water where you can unload canoes and small craft. Okay,

569
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 1: that's Walleye Links. And they have a pit toilet, a

570
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:54,919
Speaker 1: state park and a pit toilet there. Now here's where

571
00:37:54,920 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 1: this gets interfesting. This individual's friend is a local fire fighter.

572
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 1: They get a call on their system about a man

573
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:11,439
Speaker 1: stuck in the our house. They think it's a joke

574
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 1: and don't respond. They think it's a prank call man.

575
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 1: The call comes across again and again, at which point

576
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 1: they're like, really, maybe a guy un They run down

577
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:28,799
Speaker 1: there with their fire truck equipment. They find a grown

578
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,800
Speaker 1: man stark naked, stuck up to his chest in the

579
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 1: seat based portion of the toilet. Why the nakedness He

580
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 1: tried to want to get his clothes off fishing access sites.

581
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 1: They question him what happened. He says he was attacked

582
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 1: by another man and stuck in them. Shouldn't laugh, that's

583
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:00,320
Speaker 1: let's listen. Why did this seem fish you to the

584
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 1: first responders, Well, his clothes were folded up on the

585
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 1: floor and his phone was on top of the stack

586
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 1: of clothes. There's a woman pacing around out in the

587
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 1: parking lot. They asked her if she has any relation

588
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 1: to the man in the thing and if she knows

589
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 1: anything about it. She says, he called me to help him.

590
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:31,320
Speaker 1: But where did I just say? His phone was on

591
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 1: the top of the clothes. He doesn't have access to

592
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 1: his phone. He's start naked in the in the toilet

593
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 1: bolt m they called before they loom him up with

594
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 1: warm water and dish soap. Still cannot free him. They

595
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 1: then pry the seat off the vault top and he

596
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 1: goes into an ambulance. Where this is from a firefighter.

597
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:02,439
Speaker 1: They're like, bring out the heavy duty drama. He goes

598
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:07,360
Speaker 1: into an ambulance wearing the toilet seat. It sounds like

599
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:12,800
Speaker 1: a cartoon. Well, here's where the story gets interesting. It

600
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 1: already is. Further questioning. Further questioning reveals that this man

601
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 1: is a fetishist oh, and that the curious woman pacing

602
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 1: around was involved in this man's fetish Oh. I don't

603
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 1: want to say it because it's a family program. So

604
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 1: point being the guy says, to sum up, you're just

605
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:44,879
Speaker 1: like man be where everyone gets stuck in the toilet ball.

606
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 1: So it might be. It might be the kind of

607
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 1: thing where we need to bring the polygraph to this interview. Wait,

608
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 1: he's coming to them. No, no, no, no, that's a

609
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 1: guy in New Jersey. This is just a wet Yeah.

610
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 1: Give us a road up day, Lauren. We got the

611
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 1: law pulling somebody over up ahead of us. Yeah, that

612
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 1: probably us. Uh, they're gonna pull us over. No, No,

613
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 1: we're good. That dealta junctions. Last sign I saw thirty

614
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 1: seven miles in our fuel to emptiest as Sam ahead

615
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 1: of us, maybe you should Sam's ahead of us, she

616
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 1: could tow us. Let's see let down because there's a

617
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 1: get some better mph dang Man. Very intriguing story. A

618
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 1: couple of corrections. Dobs and Iowa. We had someone a

619
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 1: lot of corrections of stuff that I screwed up and

620
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 1: other people screwed up. I kind of want to get

621
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 1: to doves I always had. We were talking the other

622
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 1: day about how Iowa for a long time didn't have

623
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 1: a dove season, and we were wondering if they had

624
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 1: gotten themselves a dove season going. And someone said, you know,

625
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 1: Idaho has had a third Sorry, Iowa, my bad has

626
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 1: had a duve season since so starting an Iowa got

627
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 1: got their dove season put in place, and they've been

628
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 1: having great. Uh. They've been having great duck hunts since then,

629
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 1: barring a bunch of emotionally charged reactions to the I'm

630
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 1: distracted by the law enforcement action, so that that that's correction.

631
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 1: We we questioned whether they ever got it. They've had it.

632
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 1: They've had it for over a decade. M here's another one,

633
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 1: and this is one I caught. Someone said, and for

634
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 1: whatever reason, I didn't feel like jumping on him. We

635
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: guests said this, I didn't feel like jump in their

636
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:43,359
Speaker 1: case about it. But I even knew it was wrong.

637
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 1: The size of a snake, that it's a myth that

638
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 1: a small snake has more. It's a myth that that

639
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 1: it's like getting zapped by a small snake is more deadly,

640
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 1: more venomous, because they like can't control. There's like this

641
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 1: thing that they can't control how much venom they're giving you,

642
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 1: and an older one can control. And so getting zapped

643
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 1: by a young rattlesnake, he's he can't she doesn't have

644
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 1: a good shut off valve and gives you more venom.

645
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 1: There's nothing to that. That's a wives tale. And I

646
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:21,320
Speaker 1: was wrong about that. Another thing you talked about me

647
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 1: being wrong about is I we were talking about someone's

648
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 1: bringing up if you go to change your motor oil

649
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 1: and if you pour your used motor oil out in

650
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 1: the dirt, are you just putting it back where it

651
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 1: came from, meaning it came out of the earth, and

652
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 1: so you're just putting it back into the earth where

653
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 1: it belongs. Yeah, of course that all right. And I

654
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 1: made a thing like if I take rattlesnake venom and

655
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 1: put it on your food. Uh Am, I just putting

656
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:52,919
Speaker 1: it back where it belongs because it'll get back into

657
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 1: the earth. And someone said, uh, pointed out that I

658
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 1: might be that's very faulty logic. And he points out

659
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 1: the snake venom would most likely not impact a person

660
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:10,880
Speaker 1: if ingested. Now that might warrant. That's not that's more

661
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:15,880
Speaker 1: of a call for expertise. He doesn't say, He's just

662
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 1: saying that that logic is faulty. And it's like it's

663
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 1: meant to be administered into muscle tissue, right, and that

664
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 1: you ingesting rattlesnake venom, right, whatever. So it would be

665
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 1: great if a snake expert, I imagine to be something

666
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 1: that would be right up. Helfle finger. Would you know

667
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:37,360
Speaker 1: a helffle finger got kicked off Instagram? You know, he

668
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 1: keeps saying he doesn't know why, but I don't know.

669
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 1: He doesn't He does a lot of shooting tournaments, like

670
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 1: they kicked him off for shooting legally shooting his gun

671
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 1: at a shooting range. I don't understand. It's horrible. Uh.

672
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 1: I think he's trying to find out what his account question.

673
00:44:55,719 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 1: They banned his account. M hm, but havelf a finger

674
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 1: Instagram was heppal finger um who knows everything about everything?

675
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:08,839
Speaker 1: I bet you he can answer to us. Why uh

676
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 1: if if like, what is up with ingesting, rattlesnake venom

677
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 1: clay you know a guy that knows? Yeah, yeah, we

678
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 1: we need Dr Chris Jenkins from Georgia to answer that

679
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 1: for us. Here's a thing, herpetologist, do you want to

680
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:27,360
Speaker 1: hear this? So a guy ruining um. Snake size plays

681
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 1: almost zero role on how bad a snake bite can be.

682
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 1: The largest role and how bad a snake by is.

683
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 1: This is I'm quoting from the person that wrote in

684
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:40,800
Speaker 1: Very Informed Gentleman. The largest role and how bad a

685
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 1: snake by is depends on when the snake last fed. Hm.

686
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 1: If you are bitten by a snake that fed within

687
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 1: the last day, then you get almost no venom. And

688
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 1: if the snake hasn't fed in a week or longer,

689
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 1: you will get a very nasty bite. That's good to know. Man. Again,

690
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 1: I know we're taking a vote of whether that is

691
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 1: always true. Well, you got herpetolog just gonna come and

692
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 1: tell us. Can you get us feedback from the first

693
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 1: because when they you know, I just don't think that's

694
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:22,760
Speaker 1: uh well, I'm I'm not answering because we're doing corrections

695
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 1: stuff we got wrong. I need to know because I

696
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 1: got a bad snake problem at the fourteen Steve, Well,

697
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 1: what's that? I got a bad snake problem at fourteen

698
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:34,320
Speaker 1: on the river plate? Kind of snakes? You got dirt rattlers,

699
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 1: i'd say, western divingback like real bad. Really, so I

700
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 1: need to know if I'm feeding them, maybe it's not

701
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 1: as bad, you know, if your feed a couple of weeks.

702
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:49,800
Speaker 1: Here's a here, here's one of you guys. Listen, you

703
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:53,239
Speaker 1: guys got paid careful attention. This is like I want this.

704
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 1: I like this to be like a quick panel discussion.

705
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 1: You know, I caught this this news stories all over

706
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 1: the place. But there's a moose draw okay in the

707
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:09,360
Speaker 1: British Columbia Cariboo region. Caribou not spelled like how we

708
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 1: spell Cariboo. We spell Cariboo c A r I b

709
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 1: o U. This is Cariboo c A r I b oo.

710
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:20,800
Speaker 1: So British Columbia's Cariboo region. They had a moose draw, okay,

711
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 1: and this guy's party, him and his friends were very

712
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 1: excited to have drawn moose chat tags and they're chosen

713
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:34,360
Speaker 1: area first year they ever went into the lottery. The

714
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 1: BC government had increased tag allotments this year and they

715
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:45,240
Speaker 1: put in and they drew recently and he's here's these articles.

716
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:46,880
Speaker 1: These are articles that people have sent me, but I

717
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 1: haven't heard anybody impact from that. Recently, a couple of

718
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 1: articles have come out regarding the indigenous nations of the area.

719
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 1: So the first people's nations of this particular area in

720
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 1: British Columbia asking hunters not to come and hunt in

721
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 1: that area. Their claim is that the government's population studies

722
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:14,839
Speaker 1: are incorrect and the tag amount should not have been

723
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,840
Speaker 1: increased this season and there's not enough for them to

724
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 1: hunt and other people to hunt too. However, he goes

725
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:26,800
Speaker 1: on to say, drawing these tags seems like it is

726
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 1: a once in a lifetime opportunity to experience something amazing

727
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 1: and grow as hunters ourselves. Having the request to abandon

728
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 1: our tags definitely feels like a dampener on the situation.

729
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:44,319
Speaker 1: I would be interested to hear your opinions on where

730
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:48,359
Speaker 1: the responsibility lies, whether it falls on the hunter who

731
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:51,800
Speaker 1: drew a tag or the government who issued them. I

732
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 1: don't even think of it that way. I would think

733
00:48:54,560 --> 00:49:00,319
Speaker 1: of it this way. Your governmental game management agent, see

734
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 1: is the law of the land. Yeah, they issued you

735
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:08,880
Speaker 1: a legal tag. If you wish to go, I would go.

736
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 1: I would not bow to any kind of public pressure

737
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 1: campaign to make you feel unwelcome in doing something that

738
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 1: your government is allotted you the opportunity in a way

739
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 1: to draw the tag to go moves I would not listen.

740
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 1: If there's not a suitable population there, some of might

741
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:33,879
Speaker 1: go like, oh, they got it all wrong. Who better

742
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 1: to know? Then It's like, let's say they do have it.

743
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:39,840
Speaker 1: Let's say let's say they're off a little bit. Whose

744
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 1: work is? Whose work do you view if you view

745
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 1: it from like a standard contemporary Western scientific based principle

746
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 1: of of of game allocation and wildlife counts, who do

747
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 1: you think is doing a better job to determine that

748
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 1: they're wrong? No, well, I would go absolutely, I would go.

749
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 1: I think that if a person were trying to be

750
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 1: super responsible and look at both sides of it, I

751
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 1: mean I would want to say where where is where

752
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 1: is the the indigenous nation getting its information biological information?

753
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:23,279
Speaker 1: And say why are your studies different than their's like,

754
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 1: where is the credential for this? You know what, why

755
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 1: do you feel that that? How did it all sun

756
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 1: be that we have three miles till in Oh yeah,

757
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 1: three miles to go. That's according to the computer in

758
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 1: the car. We're probably that according to Steve, I agree

759
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:46,400
Speaker 1: with you. I'm just saying it would be interesting to

760
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 1: see why these people are saying this, like what is that?

761
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:52,239
Speaker 1: Because why would they want to deal with more people

762
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:55,880
Speaker 1: in the area? Right right, yeah, I mean we we

763
00:50:55,960 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 1: can assume that if there's a legal play, that there's

764
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:02,959
Speaker 1: a legal play that they're gonna make. I'd make making

765
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 1: the courts. I wouldn't make it with this like don't

766
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 1: make it with this request to people and like ruin

767
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 1: their time. And I'm and I'd be very very uncomfortable

768
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 1: with the idea of I'd be very uncomfortable with the

769
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 1: idea of sorting out in a sort of uh like

770
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,879
Speaker 1: like bring in some kind of like historical context into

771
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 1: sort of who gets and doesn't get to go hunting

772
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 1: the area, and that you're supposed to not only go

773
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 1: to your game management agency, but also go and check

774
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 1: and make sure it's cool with everybody else before you

775
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 1: go hunting. You know what I beg there's a lot

776
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 1: of people in Canada they wish you didn't hunt at all.

777
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 1: Should you listen to them? If you heard it? Call

778
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:51,400
Speaker 1: animal rights people have asked hunters to not go hunting.

779
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 1: Would you be like, oh, I better not go right?

780
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:57,279
Speaker 1: Of course not. Of course someone doesn't want you to go.

781
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:05,400
Speaker 1: At the Fox Roadhouse convenience story where gas is available

782
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 1: before Delta junction. Yeah, we're back in the mentalis and gentlemen,

783
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 1: eight dollars of gallons. Alright, we're back full tank of gas.

784
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 1: That was a hell of a gas station. That was

785
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:30,840
Speaker 1: a hell of a gas station. Yeah. So the first

786
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:32,400
Speaker 1: thing I knew, the first thing I'll tell you the

787
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 1: first thing I liked about it is we walked in

788
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:36,840
Speaker 1: and I saw that there was a guy putting on

789
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 1: a for youngsters, putting on a trapping seminar like you

790
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 1: saw a brochure for brochure. It was for area youngsters

791
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 1: who wanted to earn a little extra jingle um. And

792
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:57,800
Speaker 1: he was gonna talk about Martin Links and Wolverine. And

793
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:00,279
Speaker 1: then we got to talking with the woman who ran

794
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:04,800
Speaker 1: the place, and they had a lot of furs for sale.

795
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:10,800
Speaker 1: They had some interesting tax basically, basically it was it

796
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 1: was a nice little gas station and they had a

797
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:16,319
Speaker 1: very strong display of what I would call p DT

798
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 1: public display of tax germy. And so on the Barriers

799
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 1: podcast we did a whole podcast road trip dedicated to

800
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:29,880
Speaker 1: p DT. We went around looking for gas stations that

801
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:32,799
Speaker 1: still had taxidermy displayed in the But this place had

802
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:35,840
Speaker 1: a had a brown bear, a full body musk ox,

803
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 1: a full body bison, full body bear, full body wolverine,

804
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:43,840
Speaker 1: had doll sheep, had lots of furs for sale. It

805
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 1: was a great store, great store, but hit a little

806
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 1: detail near here they are there used to be, uh,

807
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 1: there's a military presence here, but it was it was

808
00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:01,279
Speaker 1: heated up for quite a while. Uh. And prior to that,

809
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:05,680
Speaker 1: they had introduced bison that actually came out of Montana.

810
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:12,839
Speaker 1: They put them on a train in Montana, took them

811
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:15,839
Speaker 1: by rail. I can't here how this went like, took

812
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 1: him by rail to Seattle, then put them on a

813
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 1: ship and sent them by a ship to Whittier. And

814
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:23,920
Speaker 1: from Whittier they went on a train. Eventually went on

815
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:26,360
Speaker 1: a truck and they turned them loose around Delta Junction,

816
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:31,440
Speaker 1: which is a hundred miles away, by the way, and

817
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:33,239
Speaker 1: I know they had a lot of pictures in there.

818
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 1: They had a lot of pictures in there from the

819
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:39,720
Speaker 1: Delta hunts. You know, you can still draw a tag

820
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 1: to hunt those bison in Delta Junction. Now, when I

821
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:48,719
Speaker 1: did the Copper River buffalo hunt, what's interesting is that

822
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 1: heard once the military started establishing a stronger presence, they

823
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:56,319
Speaker 1: had too many buffalo and they're trying to get rid

824
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 1: of something. So they just dumped some here and there.

825
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 1: They put some in this Farewell area, and they one

826
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:04,239
Speaker 1: day put them on a truck and drove a bunch

827
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 1: of them out to a place called the Salanta Road

828
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:10,640
Speaker 1: at the Slant of Mine and turned some twenty of

829
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:12,560
Speaker 1: them out. I can't remember now how may many they

830
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:15,400
Speaker 1: turned out. And they just did what's called a hot release.

831
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:17,760
Speaker 1: So if you're doing a wildlife releases, you're here cold

832
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 1: and hot. A cold release is where you take animals

833
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:23,759
Speaker 1: and bring them to a release site. Okay, let's say

834
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 1: you're trying to establish them in some mountain range. You know,

835
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 1: you bring them out there and put them in and

836
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 1: enclosure on site mm hmm, and feed him there and

837
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 1: get them used to the area. Okay. And then one

838
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:43,359
Speaker 1: day you leave the door open, okay, and they they

839
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:45,880
Speaker 1: kind of one day, Oh they can wander out, but

840
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:48,919
Speaker 1: they're already sort of they feel safe, they've been around there.

841
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:53,360
Speaker 1: They're more inclined to stay local. A hot release is

842
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 1: you just bring something in and you're like, just drop

843
00:55:57,360 --> 00:56:02,799
Speaker 1: the tailgate, drop the tailgate. They did a release near

844
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:07,360
Speaker 1: the slant of mine, and then they lost track of

845
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:16,240
Speaker 1: those animals for a decade. People thought they uh died,

846
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:20,759
Speaker 1: got eaten by wolves, whatever. And eventually they turn up

847
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:27,440
Speaker 1: hundred miles away. And that's that Copper hunt that I

848
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:29,840
Speaker 1: wrote about in my Buffalo book, and that um, the

849
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:32,359
Speaker 1: Copper River hunt. And then you still apply for those

850
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 1: permits today. And that's all out of this. So in

851
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 1: that gas station, all those that whole lot of room,

852
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:42,440
Speaker 1: that whole room full of dead buffalo land and the snow,

853
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 1: that's all Alaska hunts. That's neat uh hell of a

854
00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 1: gas station. Clay, Why don't you wan, don't you take

855
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:57,359
Speaker 1: over from the back of the van and uh tell

856
00:56:57,400 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 1: people a little about what we've been up to and

857
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:02,920
Speaker 1: some of your impressions of it. Yeah, and um, yeah,

858
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 1: you know, you know you need be going into like

859
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:07,719
Speaker 1: harrowing detail, but just yeah, what what what do you

860
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:11,880
Speaker 1: think about? So we've so we have been in Alaska

861
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 1: on a ten day Alaska Yukon moose hunt. The road

862
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:25,160
Speaker 1: Kyle calf unit, Oh, that would be bad coming through

863
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 1: that one shield. Wow. We got a cow and a calf.

864
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:32,480
Speaker 1: We got a guy stopped in the road for us,

865
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:38,440
Speaker 1: big running across the Wow. So we've we've been in

866
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:42,000
Speaker 1: Alaska for ten days. We just no longer. Well, we've

867
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:43,960
Speaker 1: been in Alaska for let me bring that bowl out

868
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 1: twelve days. And uh, yeah, we've been listening to that

869
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:58,200
Speaker 1: for twelve days. It's a good call. That's not the man.

870
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:01,080
Speaker 1: They'll bring them out. So this was this was a

871
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 1: true wilderness hunt. We not wilderness with the capital W,

872
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:09,800
Speaker 1: wilderness with a lowercase W. We flew back in and uh,

873
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 1: we're dropped in an area that is known to have moose.

874
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 1: Is not a guided hunt, so as to do it

875
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 1: yourself hunt. Steve Ranella and I both had tags in

876
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:26,240
Speaker 1: our pockets. Um and I have Actually you're seeing deltas

877
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 1: a hunter miles, Well, the hell you're talking abouts I have.

878
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:36,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say that I've not moose hunted though I

879
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 1: have had an Alaska moose tag before. Once while I

880
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:42,480
Speaker 1: was on a brown bear hunt, I had a moose tag.

881
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:49,640
Speaker 1: But but so we were dropped camp, dropped out, we

882
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:55,040
Speaker 1: backcountry camp for ten days. We would wake up every day,

883
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:59,000
Speaker 1: walk out to different calling points on the mountain. This

884
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:02,240
Speaker 1: you hunt these moose during the moose rut, and so

885
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 1: you're trying to sound like a cow moose called these

886
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:09,320
Speaker 1: moose in Steve is an experienced moose hunter, has been

887
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:12,680
Speaker 1: on lots of I mean you've you've been on lots

888
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:16,400
Speaker 1: of hunts. I've been on like I've been on a

889
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:20,000
Speaker 1: number of moose kills over the year, been on moose hunts.

890
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:24,280
Speaker 1: But I have a lot to learn. So basically, you're

891
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:26,440
Speaker 1: you're put into an area and that the challenges that

892
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:29,120
Speaker 1: you're running into when you're moose hunting is that you

893
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:35,480
Speaker 1: cannot realistically transport that moose much more than a mile

894
00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:41,280
Speaker 1: from your camp and that could be broken. Yeah, there's

895
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:45,080
Speaker 1: a lot of variables, but in general, most people you're

896
00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:49,960
Speaker 1: trying because you've got to haul this potentially pound animal

897
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:55,600
Speaker 1: back to your camp, back to the how whatever your

898
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:57,960
Speaker 1: transport is. So, whether you're hunting on a river, we

899
00:59:58,080 --> 01:00:00,320
Speaker 1: were hunting in a flying area, so we would had

900
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 1: to get all this moose meat back to an air strip.

901
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:04,760
Speaker 1: Can I cut him in from him? Yeah? I didn't

902
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:09,840
Speaker 1: need to ask. Really, Le'll just do it. I just

903
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:12,120
Speaker 1: want to I quickly want to touch on this this

904
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:15,000
Speaker 1: moose pack in situation. That's because you got you got

905
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:17,760
Speaker 1: a bunch of camera guys willing to carry meat. They're

906
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:22,080
Speaker 1: not willing. You gotta gotta cajole them into it. I like,

907
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:27,600
Speaker 1: you guys are don't know about three miles. You haven't

908
01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:31,200
Speaker 1: heard what I'm gonna say. Do I need to stop

909
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:39,080
Speaker 1: this van? Stop this van to come back there? Hey

910
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:42,520
Speaker 1: stop the man. Let me tell you something. I just

911
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:46,600
Speaker 1: wanted to tell you. The most I've moved one is

912
01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:49,320
Speaker 1: we moved to bowl three miles. But that was five

913
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:55,200
Speaker 1: people and it was downhill. Oh okay, that's report detail.

914
01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:57,680
Speaker 1: And it wasn't like bad downhill. It was like nice,

915
01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:02,200
Speaker 1: not like degree in client, which would be misery. It's

916
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:05,560
Speaker 1: like a you know, downta And it's so it really

917
01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:09,600
Speaker 1: matters in terms of walking conditions. But a lot of

918
01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:13,760
Speaker 1: times moose are in really boggy areas or you're on

919
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:18,440
Speaker 1: you're out on tussocks like tussocky tundra, and oh it

920
01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:22,200
Speaker 1: can be horrible walking on And so I would say though,

921
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:29,480
Speaker 1: I would say that in general, in general moose hunting circles,

922
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:35,320
Speaker 1: if you went out and found a hundred good moose

923
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:39,520
Speaker 1: seasoned moose hunters, I would say that, uh, you would

924
01:01:39,560 --> 01:01:42,720
Speaker 1: probably find a general consensus of people that are they're

925
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:44,840
Speaker 1: willing to move them maybe about a mile or so,

926
01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:48,080
Speaker 1: but no one's gonna like it. I have a friend

927
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:53,200
Speaker 1: that used to guide moose and sheep. He is hard

928
01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:55,400
Speaker 1: to think of how hard hunting doll sheep is. The

929
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:58,280
Speaker 1: miles you gotta put on, you're walking ten miles, fifteen

930
01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:03,160
Speaker 1: miles a day. It's like it's it's brutal. He quit

931
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:07,800
Speaker 1: moose hunting. M hmm because he said, and I'll quote him,

932
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:09,880
Speaker 1: he said, I am never gonna move one of those

933
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:14,800
Speaker 1: swamp donkeys again. And he said to me, every hunter

934
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:19,280
Speaker 1: you book, it is all about how he's gonna help

935
01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:25,560
Speaker 1: you pack that moose. He goes every single time they

936
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:29,520
Speaker 1: make a half trip, and you take six and a

937
01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:35,600
Speaker 1: half loads. Was that buck? But so I just want

938
01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:38,680
Speaker 1: to give a little that's just put an electro meat

939
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:43,160
Speaker 1: on the bone. In terms of moose packing. That's a

940
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:47,960
Speaker 1: real consideration when you're that was new to me in

941
01:02:48,080 --> 01:02:49,919
Speaker 1: the in the when you're hunting an animal, this big

942
01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:53,000
Speaker 1: the first thing you said when you beheld one as

943
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:58,000
Speaker 1: you said, that is bigger than my mule. Hey for real?

944
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:02,240
Speaker 1: So well, we we're cutting to the chase. No no, no,

945
01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:04,360
Speaker 1: no no no, we could have found one. Okay, well

946
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:07,480
Speaker 1: I want to come back to that. I'll come back

947
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:13,720
Speaker 1: to that. But so so, basically, for for for ten days,

948
01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:17,720
Speaker 1: Steve and I hunted. We would sometimes hunt together, sometimes

949
01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:21,880
Speaker 1: we split up. I went to different calling points, and

950
01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:25,120
Speaker 1: you're trying to hit the moose rut when the moose

951
01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:29,320
Speaker 1: responsive to cow calls into raking. Essentially, there's two types

952
01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:33,720
Speaker 1: of calls that you're doing. You're raking with basically to

953
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:40,960
Speaker 1: sound like a like a bull raking his horns. You're right.

954
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:46,080
Speaker 1: I have seen people rake with canoe paddles. I've seen

955
01:03:46,120 --> 01:03:50,360
Speaker 1: people rake with a fiberglass bullhorn. I've seen people rake

956
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:54,120
Speaker 1: with a caribou antler. I've seen people rake with a

957
01:03:54,320 --> 01:04:04,000
Speaker 1: dried moose scapula mm hm. But never have I raked

958
01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:09,800
Speaker 1: with something I like as much as an empty one

959
01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:14,480
Speaker 1: court motor oil plastic motor oil can with the bottom

960
01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:19,160
Speaker 1: cut off. I don't know how I feel about it first,

961
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:23,440
Speaker 1: So so what what Steve did was and he was

962
01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:26,760
Speaker 1: shown this by a gentleman that we met, um Well,

963
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:29,120
Speaker 1: a bush pilot who doesn't look heavy stuff in his plane.

964
01:04:29,560 --> 01:04:31,440
Speaker 1: I was walking around the hunk apply when he's like,

965
01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:33,800
Speaker 1: tell you do with that? He didn't want that thing

966
01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:38,520
Speaker 1: in his plane. Took a pocket knife and cut the

967
01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:44,120
Speaker 1: bottom off of a like a valveoline oil can or

968
01:04:44,200 --> 01:04:47,560
Speaker 1: not canned oil bottle, and then Steve stuck about an

969
01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:53,080
Speaker 1: eight inch sapling into the nozzle and basically had an

970
01:04:53,120 --> 01:04:56,720
Speaker 1: oil an oil bottle with a handle, and you would

971
01:04:56,800 --> 01:04:59,560
Speaker 1: use that to rake. And it sat that that oil

972
01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:04,360
Speaker 1: bottle sounds like the horns of a of a moose

973
01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:08,200
Speaker 1: raking against the trees. And what we learned over the

974
01:05:10,560 --> 01:05:14,160
Speaker 1: oh yeah, if we had windows in the back of

975
01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:18,720
Speaker 1: this van. We don't have windows back here about it.

976
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:22,680
Speaker 1: But so you're calling your your your female moose calling

977
01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:26,040
Speaker 1: and you're raking. And basically that's what we did for

978
01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:33,000
Speaker 1: for ten days. And we had very little response to

979
01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:36,360
Speaker 1: our calling for much of our time. And it's been

980
01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:39,080
Speaker 1: told us. And what we saw was that the rut

981
01:05:39,360 --> 01:05:43,040
Speaker 1: was an odd display in terms of timing of when

982
01:05:43,160 --> 01:05:47,240
Speaker 1: things really started kicking off. And uh, we were seeing

983
01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:50,760
Speaker 1: plenty of bulls. We were seeing some good bulls. They

984
01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:54,640
Speaker 1: weren't responding to our calls, and a lot of people

985
01:05:54,640 --> 01:05:57,320
Speaker 1: would say, we why didn't you just go to them? Steve,

986
01:05:57,400 --> 01:05:58,920
Speaker 1: do you want to talk to him about why you

987
01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:02,920
Speaker 1: wouldn't just go to a bull that would be in

988
01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:05,640
Speaker 1: a place that we would see. Because when I message

989
01:06:05,720 --> 01:06:08,960
Speaker 1: and reached a few people back home, I said, man,

990
01:06:09,080 --> 01:06:12,000
Speaker 1: we've been watching a bull a mile away, and their

991
01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:15,560
Speaker 1: first response was get him, go get him. Of course

992
01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:17,200
Speaker 1: that's what I tell him. I be like, what are

993
01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:20,240
Speaker 1: you guys lazy? Yeah, but why couldn't we do that?

994
01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:25,760
Speaker 1: You're dealing in um if you're not familiar with with

995
01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:31,720
Speaker 1: hunting in Alaska. Uh, well, I'll let me starting that's

996
01:06:31,720 --> 01:06:36,200
Speaker 1: all by saying I'll put it this way. Um, My

997
01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:39,920
Speaker 1: brother Danny lives in Alaska, and whenever he comes down

998
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:42,880
Speaker 1: to hang around in Montana, he's always just blown away

999
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:51,800
Speaker 1: by walking around in dry grasslands and he'll threaten to

1000
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:56,320
Speaker 1: move down to Montana or Wyoming now and then, as

1001
01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:58,840
Speaker 1: he puts it, to just get a break from the

1002
01:06:58,960 --> 01:07:05,800
Speaker 1: wet ass. Bro. Yeah, you're dealing in There's there's a

1003
01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:10,360
Speaker 1: very low and interior Alaska. This is not an area

1004
01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:13,720
Speaker 1: where I'm an expert, but I've just been around quite

1005
01:07:13,720 --> 01:07:16,120
Speaker 1: a bit. For someone who doesn't live here, I've been around,

1006
01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:19,560
Speaker 1: like I've had a great fortune to experience a lot

1007
01:07:19,600 --> 01:07:22,040
Speaker 1: of parts of the state. In the interior, there's a

1008
01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:24,520
Speaker 1: very low biodiversity. I was explaining to this I think

1009
01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:27,840
Speaker 1: this morning or yesterday or something where you can learn

1010
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:31,480
Speaker 1: like six trees and shrubs and seem like a vegetation

1011
01:07:31,600 --> 01:07:35,720
Speaker 1: master because you got there are many species of willow,

1012
01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:41,520
Speaker 1: but you got willow, you got dwarf birch, you got aspen, right,

1013
01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:46,680
Speaker 1: you got older okay um, and you got you know,

1014
01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:51,000
Speaker 1: like a you got like high bush and low bush, blueberry, cranberry.

1015
01:07:51,760 --> 01:07:55,360
Speaker 1: But you have a lot of shrub and then you

1016
01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:59,600
Speaker 1: got spruce stands. But the shrubs that are here, the willow,

1017
01:08:00,600 --> 01:08:04,200
Speaker 1: the dwarf birch, the young aspen, particular stuff that comes

1018
01:08:04,240 --> 01:08:10,120
Speaker 1: in after a burn. It's just thick and you'll always

1019
01:08:10,200 --> 01:08:11,920
Speaker 1: look at it. If you're flying over the country, you

1020
01:08:11,920 --> 01:08:13,880
Speaker 1: guys like, oh, I'm gonna run over there and run

1021
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:17,800
Speaker 1: down there and go through that until you get in it.

1022
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:20,320
Speaker 1: A lot of times from the area, you're like, what

1023
01:08:20,520 --> 01:08:23,120
Speaker 1: it must be like way steep. You're thinking it's probably wasteep.

1024
01:08:24,760 --> 01:08:29,200
Speaker 1: It's not man, you it's it's it's eight ft high,

1025
01:08:29,320 --> 01:08:32,400
Speaker 1: it's ten feet high, it's twelve feet high. And for

1026
01:08:32,520 --> 01:08:36,040
Speaker 1: a lot of it you're walking through it, imparting it

1027
01:08:36,520 --> 01:08:39,599
Speaker 1: with your hands. Yeah, you're making it. You're you're You're

1028
01:08:39,640 --> 01:08:43,240
Speaker 1: just you're walking. It's like you're doing the breaststroke. You're

1029
01:08:43,280 --> 01:08:45,840
Speaker 1: going like your hands are out, you spread, you walk through.

1030
01:08:45,840 --> 01:08:48,360
Speaker 1: Your hands are spread, you walk through. But there's there's

1031
01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:52,120
Speaker 1: topography here where we're at. It's it's not steep. There's

1032
01:08:52,160 --> 01:08:56,080
Speaker 1: some steep parts, but there's topography. There's hills, and there

1033
01:08:56,120 --> 01:08:59,160
Speaker 1: are little open pockets in the brush here and narrow okay,

1034
01:08:59,240 --> 01:09:02,400
Speaker 1: Like maybe is a little area that's predominantly blueberry and

1035
01:09:02,479 --> 01:09:04,680
Speaker 1: it is neat and it is knee high. But this

1036
01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:08,920
Speaker 1: is like a little half acre opening, you know, And

1037
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:10,960
Speaker 1: there's a hill. So you're on one side of a

1038
01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:13,559
Speaker 1: valley looking across the valley and there and some little

1039
01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:19,040
Speaker 1: gap in the vegetation like oh there's one okay, And

1040
01:09:19,120 --> 01:09:21,240
Speaker 1: then you'll sit and look back on that spot for

1041
01:09:21,280 --> 01:09:24,360
Speaker 1: the next three days and never ever find that thing again.

1042
01:09:25,280 --> 01:09:27,320
Speaker 1: And the thing is, you're gonna go over there, But

1043
01:09:27,439 --> 01:09:31,559
Speaker 1: the thing is you can't. Like you quite literally, I mean,

1044
01:09:31,720 --> 01:09:33,880
Speaker 1: you just get lost in it. And we'll have a

1045
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:37,320
Speaker 1: story to back up how bad it is from from Yes,

1046
01:09:37,400 --> 01:09:40,320
Speaker 1: that was a good story. Uh, you just get lost

1047
01:09:40,400 --> 01:09:46,879
Speaker 1: in it too, because the probability of success and not everywhere.

1048
01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:48,559
Speaker 1: There's a lot of places you can hunt moose up

1049
01:09:48,600 --> 01:09:52,840
Speaker 1: in the alpine where it's it's mostly knee high, mostly

1050
01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:56,559
Speaker 1: wayside vegetation, and you can actually make a play on animals.

1051
01:09:56,640 --> 01:09:58,880
Speaker 1: But in this area it's just with the brush you can't.

1052
01:09:58,920 --> 01:10:02,640
Speaker 1: And here's their thing. Doing a stock on one or

1053
01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:05,080
Speaker 1: an approach on one, you have a pretty low probability

1054
01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:07,800
Speaker 1: of success because it's so hard to navigate and hard

1055
01:10:07,840 --> 01:10:10,320
Speaker 1: to find anything. And even if you do get up

1056
01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:14,000
Speaker 1: on it, you're in eight foot tall stuff. So you

1057
01:10:14,080 --> 01:10:16,120
Speaker 1: can let okay, let's say it all works out and

1058
01:10:16,200 --> 01:10:18,200
Speaker 1: he and you call you get too into his area,

1059
01:10:18,320 --> 01:10:21,519
Speaker 1: you get two yards away, you call him in, he

1060
01:10:21,680 --> 01:10:24,240
Speaker 1: comes into thirty yards. You know what, You've never seen him.

1061
01:10:25,439 --> 01:10:29,480
Speaker 1: You've never seen him. Um, And so it's like, oh, great, congratulations,

1062
01:10:29,560 --> 01:10:32,120
Speaker 1: you call the bowling and never even saw it. Yeah,

1063
01:10:32,960 --> 01:10:36,200
Speaker 1: so low probability success. But you go in there and

1064
01:10:36,240 --> 01:10:38,120
Speaker 1: you're gonna be spooking moose. You didn't know we're there,

1065
01:10:38,840 --> 01:10:40,720
Speaker 1: because all the time you're like, oh, there was a moose,

1066
01:10:40,760 --> 01:10:43,000
Speaker 1: and then you never see it again. All day you

1067
01:10:43,080 --> 01:10:45,400
Speaker 1: stay right in that same spot, can't find them. They're

1068
01:10:45,439 --> 01:10:46,880
Speaker 1: just in there and you don't know they're there. So

1069
01:10:46,960 --> 01:10:48,639
Speaker 1: you go in, you're gonna spook a bunch of moose.

1070
01:10:50,200 --> 01:10:53,600
Speaker 1: You're gonna leave sent all over. And what your strategy is,

1071
01:10:53,800 --> 01:10:56,960
Speaker 1: you're operating out of an area where you're up high

1072
01:10:57,160 --> 01:11:00,800
Speaker 1: and you're in lower like you're you're hunting purposefully in

1073
01:11:00,920 --> 01:11:04,679
Speaker 1: a low in a low vegetation area, because your long

1074
01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:08,639
Speaker 1: term plan is you're gonna call him out of all

1075
01:11:08,720 --> 01:11:11,559
Speaker 1: that fixed ship up where you can see him up

1076
01:11:11,560 --> 01:11:15,360
Speaker 1: into your opening. If you go down there, rummage and

1077
01:11:15,360 --> 01:11:18,400
Speaker 1: around all the time, you're spooking them and you're leaving

1078
01:11:18,479 --> 01:11:21,639
Speaker 1: scent everywhere, and you're doing things that aren't gonna work out,

1079
01:11:21,840 --> 01:11:24,200
Speaker 1: And then by doing things that don't work out, you're

1080
01:11:24,240 --> 01:11:26,680
Speaker 1: just gonna be pushing more moose away and making the

1081
01:11:26,760 --> 01:11:29,400
Speaker 1: thing that you're actually trying to do, which is called

1082
01:11:29,400 --> 01:11:35,080
Speaker 1: a bull up out of the stuff. You're making it harder.

1083
01:11:35,240 --> 01:11:37,720
Speaker 1: It's this is the rule everybody gives you. Everybody you

1084
01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:39,880
Speaker 1: ask who hunts this way and these kind of areas

1085
01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:43,720
Speaker 1: like here's my tip. Don't move, don't walk around. I

1086
01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:45,960
Speaker 1: got a friend that he could they their spot. They

1087
01:11:46,040 --> 01:11:49,439
Speaker 1: called it prison ridge because his friends are like, he

1088
01:11:49,520 --> 01:11:54,439
Speaker 1: won't let us even move. We gotta sit. I guess

1089
01:11:54,520 --> 01:11:58,080
Speaker 1: the same tree for ten days and so they and

1090
01:11:58,200 --> 01:12:02,120
Speaker 1: they told us, they said us the process, process and

1091
01:12:02,160 --> 01:12:06,200
Speaker 1: the processes. You call you rake. And the way I

1092
01:12:06,360 --> 01:12:10,000
Speaker 1: described it, Steve, was when you call a white tail deer,

1093
01:12:10,280 --> 01:12:13,679
Speaker 1: you call a duck, or you call an elk, you're

1094
01:12:13,720 --> 01:12:17,400
Speaker 1: looking to get, for the most part, an immediate response.

1095
01:12:18,040 --> 01:12:20,240
Speaker 1: And you you see that animal, do you hear a

1096
01:12:20,280 --> 01:12:22,720
Speaker 1: vocal response from that animal, and you get a read

1097
01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:27,759
Speaker 1: on it. Moose hunting, sometimes you're making calls that maybe

1098
01:12:28,040 --> 01:12:32,400
Speaker 1: responded to two or three days from now. I mean

1099
01:12:32,439 --> 01:12:37,519
Speaker 1: that's because a moose could hear you and be so

1100
01:12:37,680 --> 01:12:39,880
Speaker 1: far away. They have such incredible hearing, and we heard.

1101
01:12:39,960 --> 01:12:42,479
Speaker 1: We saw that with our own eyes. We saw their

1102
01:12:42,520 --> 01:12:45,080
Speaker 1: hearing with our own eyes. And I'll explain that this

1103
01:12:45,240 --> 01:12:48,479
Speaker 1: week so many times because these moose would be I

1104
01:12:48,520 --> 01:12:55,160
Speaker 1: mean a mile away, a mile away. They would turn

1105
01:12:55,240 --> 01:12:57,720
Speaker 1: and look at us when we called at them. And

1106
01:12:57,800 --> 01:13:00,639
Speaker 1: so we have an episode where we called one from

1107
01:13:00,680 --> 01:13:07,519
Speaker 1: about three miles away. Incredible. But the thing with these mooses,

1108
01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:11,920
Speaker 1: they're they're like these ladies. We watched him coming the

1109
01:13:11,960 --> 01:13:17,679
Speaker 1: whole way. I was thinking, ni sr No that took Yeah, yeah,

1110
01:13:17,720 --> 01:13:20,040
Speaker 1: he just wanted he just showed up one day. When

1111
01:13:20,080 --> 01:13:23,120
Speaker 1: a moose isn't fired up, which we saw a lot

1112
01:13:23,439 --> 01:13:27,080
Speaker 1: this trip. We'd see him stand up, we'd see him

1113
01:13:27,360 --> 01:13:32,320
Speaker 1: feed thirty yards and then they'd lay down and you'd

1114
01:13:32,400 --> 01:13:36,639
Speaker 1: watch them all day, and some of them moved ards.

1115
01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:43,640
Speaker 1: Well I'm just a moose out here. We had some

1116
01:13:44,840 --> 01:13:49,200
Speaker 1: we had some observations. Yeah, we saw some lazy moose.

1117
01:13:49,240 --> 01:13:54,200
Speaker 1: We're kind of putting some words to their lives. But no,

1118
01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:59,880
Speaker 1: so we'll go ahead. Chester World. Well, I was just

1119
01:14:00,040 --> 01:14:04,320
Speaker 1: saying you were talking about how you're expecting to you know,

1120
01:14:04,479 --> 01:14:06,320
Speaker 1: they might come in a day later, and I've just

1121
01:14:06,439 --> 01:14:09,400
Speaker 1: wanted to point out, like if they're not fired up

1122
01:14:09,439 --> 01:14:12,120
Speaker 1: and running like that one that Steve called from three

1123
01:14:12,200 --> 01:14:16,280
Speaker 1: miles away, over a whole over a day. They're moving slow,

1124
01:14:16,400 --> 01:14:18,559
Speaker 1: and we saw a lot of slow moose. Yeah. Once

1125
01:14:18,680 --> 01:14:21,439
Speaker 1: dirt and I saw a moose basically stay in a

1126
01:14:21,600 --> 01:14:25,040
Speaker 1: hundred square yard area form for a full ball, like

1127
01:14:25,200 --> 01:14:27,720
Speaker 1: from daylight pretty much till dark and here in your

1128
01:14:27,760 --> 01:14:31,880
Speaker 1: call look up. But you know, I'm like, like I said,

1129
01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:34,160
Speaker 1: I'm very much a moose novice. But I had someone

1130
01:14:34,200 --> 01:14:36,680
Speaker 1: who is very much a moose expert, and I was

1131
01:14:36,720 --> 01:14:38,879
Speaker 1: talking and I used to guide it is very successful

1132
01:14:38,880 --> 01:14:44,400
Speaker 1: at moose hunting. Um still active now. Uh. He was

1133
01:14:44,439 --> 01:14:46,400
Speaker 1: putting his like, I don't care about those ones. They

1134
01:14:46,400 --> 01:14:49,720
Speaker 1: don't exist to me. He's looking for a hot one.

1135
01:14:49,800 --> 01:14:53,000
Speaker 1: He's like, you know, I'm looking for the right bull

1136
01:14:53,080 --> 01:14:54,920
Speaker 1: in the right mood. There's a lot of bulls are

1137
01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:56,880
Speaker 1: in the right mood for me. And I don't care

1138
01:14:57,040 --> 01:14:59,439
Speaker 1: if he doesn't play the game he lives. It's like

1139
01:14:59,479 --> 01:15:01,040
Speaker 1: if I'm watching the moose two miles away and he

1140
01:15:01,080 --> 01:15:03,720
Speaker 1: doesn't care, I don't care about him. I'm here for

1141
01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:08,800
Speaker 1: the big one. Did wants to play? Yeah, and that's

1142
01:15:08,840 --> 01:15:12,840
Speaker 1: why I'm here ten days. But it's hard when you

1143
01:15:12,920 --> 01:15:16,840
Speaker 1: sit there for nine days. Yeah, So we we set

1144
01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:19,720
Speaker 1: for nine days and could not find a moose that

1145
01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:22,920
Speaker 1: really wanted to play. A couple of times we made

1146
01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:26,120
Speaker 1: some stocks on moose where they were kind of playing

1147
01:15:26,120 --> 01:15:28,120
Speaker 1: a little bit. They would they would come to a

1148
01:15:28,240 --> 01:15:30,360
Speaker 1: hundred yards and you'd have to go to them a

1149
01:15:30,520 --> 01:15:37,120
Speaker 1: thousand yards fired up bull will they walk and they

1150
01:15:37,160 --> 01:15:40,040
Speaker 1: have like a very plodding, like deliberate walk, but they'll

1151
01:15:40,080 --> 01:15:43,320
Speaker 1: start swinging their head and they kind of swing it

1152
01:15:43,400 --> 01:15:45,400
Speaker 1: to the rhythm of how their feet strikes. So as

1153
01:15:45,439 --> 01:15:49,120
Speaker 1: his right front goes forward, his head swings right and

1154
01:15:49,200 --> 01:15:51,879
Speaker 1: he's just doing his big heads sway they could display

1155
01:15:53,120 --> 01:15:59,200
Speaker 1: and he'll be going m m m hmm. We one time,

1156
01:15:59,479 --> 01:16:04,200
Speaker 1: it wasn't all yesterday that we got one to sway

1157
01:16:04,280 --> 01:16:08,000
Speaker 1: his head maybe twice, Yeah yeah, and walked direction. Yeah,

1158
01:16:09,920 --> 01:16:13,800
Speaker 1: well he doesn't he's swaying his head and walks off.

1159
01:16:15,560 --> 01:16:22,120
Speaker 1: And after that the whole group morale was just fresh

1160
01:16:22,200 --> 01:16:27,400
Speaker 1: in the process for the first what five days? Process?

1161
01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:32,760
Speaker 1: But how did it like the first love it a

1162
01:16:32,800 --> 01:16:37,400
Speaker 1: little bit? Sure? I trust in the process. I put

1163
01:16:37,439 --> 01:16:40,840
Speaker 1: immense faith in the process. Keep telling the story, Clay, Well,

1164
01:16:41,000 --> 01:16:46,040
Speaker 1: we it's it's a challenging hunt because you feel like

1165
01:16:46,240 --> 01:16:48,479
Speaker 1: you need to be doing something like if you're l hunting,

1166
01:16:48,520 --> 01:16:51,719
Speaker 1: you're pounding the mountains, calling, you're moving, you're doing stuff,

1167
01:16:51,800 --> 01:16:55,960
Speaker 1: you're bringing, trying to go to new areas. Um, when

1168
01:16:56,000 --> 01:16:59,080
Speaker 1: you're moose hunting, you're locked, like this guy said, you're

1169
01:16:59,120 --> 01:17:01,320
Speaker 1: locked in a prison and you're trying to call these

1170
01:17:01,360 --> 01:17:03,600
Speaker 1: bills to you. And we what we learned is that

1171
01:17:03,920 --> 01:17:07,559
Speaker 1: it's kind of a combination. Uh that we found success

1172
01:17:07,640 --> 01:17:09,640
Speaker 1: in was you gotta go to him a little bit,

1173
01:17:09,800 --> 01:17:11,800
Speaker 1: but you still got to call him into you. Well,

1174
01:17:11,800 --> 01:17:15,280
Speaker 1: there's peculiar I want to point out just there's peculiarities

1175
01:17:15,320 --> 01:17:18,800
Speaker 1: of of a fly and drop off hunt. If you're

1176
01:17:18,840 --> 01:17:21,640
Speaker 1: doing a river trip for moose, you can call a

1177
01:17:21,680 --> 01:17:24,559
Speaker 1: new place every day, so you're kind of like trying

1178
01:17:24,600 --> 01:17:26,599
Speaker 1: new stuff. Right, it doesn't make sense to go call

1179
01:17:26,720 --> 01:17:29,280
Speaker 1: for a half hour, but you let's spend six Let's

1180
01:17:29,280 --> 01:17:32,080
Speaker 1: do a six hour set and and then next day,

1181
01:17:32,160 --> 01:17:34,320
Speaker 1: next day, next day. If you're hunting out of our

1182
01:17:34,360 --> 01:17:36,400
Speaker 1: goals or a t V s right, let's try here,

1183
01:17:36,479 --> 01:17:37,960
Speaker 1: we'll try there, We'll try there, We'll spend a day

1184
01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:40,680
Speaker 1: call on here. You know whatever. If you just get

1185
01:17:40,760 --> 01:17:46,320
Speaker 1: dropped on an isolated airstrip somewhere and you have no

1186
01:17:46,479 --> 01:17:50,400
Speaker 1: way to move. You can't move from a simple factor.

1187
01:17:50,640 --> 01:17:52,800
Speaker 1: You can't go have a spike camp three miles away

1188
01:17:52,800 --> 01:17:54,639
Speaker 1: because how you can get that moose back to the airstrip.

1189
01:17:55,720 --> 01:17:58,400
Speaker 1: So that's kind of that kind of few the processes

1190
01:17:58,479 --> 01:18:04,600
Speaker 1: like you're you're your by sort of fact constrained and

1191
01:18:04,800 --> 01:18:07,120
Speaker 1: have to deal with that, and said, so how best

1192
01:18:07,160 --> 01:18:10,080
Speaker 1: do you play that situation? You play it by being

1193
01:18:10,320 --> 01:18:13,599
Speaker 1: very gentle on your spot, because you got a spot

1194
01:18:14,280 --> 01:18:20,200
Speaker 1: right and you you you call over long periods of

1195
01:18:20,280 --> 01:18:29,320
Speaker 1: time and long story short the ninth the tenth day day,

1196
01:18:31,160 --> 01:18:34,000
Speaker 1: we'll start with the first story from that morning. Steve

1197
01:18:34,680 --> 01:18:37,240
Speaker 1: is that we had split up. That morning, I went

1198
01:18:37,360 --> 01:18:41,320
Speaker 1: to a spot, saw the team with me. We spotted

1199
01:18:41,360 --> 01:18:47,000
Speaker 1: a bull and spotted two bulls. Steve came over and

1200
01:18:47,120 --> 01:18:51,519
Speaker 1: we got Steve brought him over and we watched these

1201
01:18:51,560 --> 01:18:54,640
Speaker 1: two bulls with two cows. Called to a bull, he

1202
01:18:55,240 --> 01:18:57,680
Speaker 1: looked at us, turned and went the other way. We

1203
01:18:57,800 --> 01:19:03,200
Speaker 1: watched his head and the promising looks promising. We watched

1204
01:19:03,240 --> 01:19:10,679
Speaker 1: a bull bullets. Okay, So the other constraints in all

1205
01:19:10,800 --> 01:19:15,000
Speaker 1: the regulations for legal bulls would be different in different places,

1206
01:19:15,080 --> 01:19:17,840
Speaker 1: but we were hunting in an area that for a

1207
01:19:18,120 --> 01:19:21,040
Speaker 1: non residents of Alaska. We had to shoot a bull

1208
01:19:21,520 --> 01:19:26,040
Speaker 1: that met one of two requirements, which would be either

1209
01:19:26,200 --> 01:19:29,000
Speaker 1: fifty inches wide, which would be the widest point of

1210
01:19:29,040 --> 01:19:33,960
Speaker 1: that rack, or have four brow times, which you'd have

1211
01:19:34,080 --> 01:19:37,320
Speaker 1: to look up what the time one on one side.

1212
01:19:38,120 --> 01:19:40,400
Speaker 1: Uh And so you'd have to look up what a

1213
01:19:40,520 --> 01:19:42,880
Speaker 1: brow time of a bull is. But it's pretty simple.

1214
01:19:42,920 --> 01:19:45,200
Speaker 1: So he had to be fifty inches wide or have

1215
01:19:45,520 --> 01:19:47,960
Speaker 1: four brow tins on one side, which we found was

1216
01:19:48,000 --> 01:19:50,439
Speaker 1: a pretty tall order because we saw a lot of

1217
01:19:51,280 --> 01:19:54,680
Speaker 1: immature bulls. Into someone who didn't know moose hunting man,

1218
01:19:54,760 --> 01:19:57,720
Speaker 1: you'd see a forty five inch bull out there, he

1219
01:19:57,840 --> 01:20:01,799
Speaker 1: looked like a giant he uh. And not all fifty

1220
01:20:01,840 --> 01:20:05,360
Speaker 1: inch bulls have four brow times, and not all four

1221
01:20:05,439 --> 01:20:08,920
Speaker 1: brow times bulls are fifty inches. But in all honesty,

1222
01:20:09,000 --> 01:20:12,160
Speaker 1: there's like a there's a loose correlation. You know, if

1223
01:20:12,200 --> 01:20:14,280
Speaker 1: someone tells you they killed like a sixty inch bull

1224
01:20:14,320 --> 01:20:18,599
Speaker 1: and you look at a picture, it's gonna if four

1225
01:20:18,720 --> 01:20:21,200
Speaker 1: or five six. But then some guy will kill a

1226
01:20:21,240 --> 01:20:24,760
Speaker 1: sixty inch bull with two brow times. But generally like

1227
01:20:24,920 --> 01:20:26,720
Speaker 1: the bigger they get, the more brow times they throw,

1228
01:20:26,800 --> 01:20:30,240
Speaker 1: and it's it's very difficult to judge a moose based

1229
01:20:30,320 --> 01:20:33,559
Speaker 1: upon its spread, and it's a serious game violation. If

1230
01:20:33,720 --> 01:20:35,639
Speaker 1: if we had shot a moose that was forty nine

1231
01:20:35,680 --> 01:20:38,840
Speaker 1: inches wide, that's like a major violation. I mean, you're

1232
01:20:38,920 --> 01:20:42,479
Speaker 1: you're you're getting your animal confiscated, you're getting citations. So

1233
01:20:42,600 --> 01:20:45,560
Speaker 1: they take that stuff real serious. And so Steve and

1234
01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:50,080
Speaker 1: Steve coach me on on on spread. But pretty much

1235
01:20:50,120 --> 01:20:52,760
Speaker 1: we decided we were only gonna shoot bulls based off

1236
01:20:52,840 --> 01:20:56,920
Speaker 1: of four brow times because that is very easily easy

1237
01:20:57,040 --> 01:21:00,439
Speaker 1: to distinguish unless the bulls just ridiculous and yep, unless

1238
01:21:01,200 --> 01:21:05,200
Speaker 1: and and there's certain ways that the antlers, some moose antlers,

1239
01:21:05,720 --> 01:21:08,800
Speaker 1: the paddles go up and are really vertical. Some moose

1240
01:21:08,840 --> 01:21:15,160
Speaker 1: antlers the paddles lay flat. Guys, uh, you know there's

1241
01:21:15,200 --> 01:21:18,720
Speaker 1: a thing that eyeball to eyeball their ten inches. So

1242
01:21:19,439 --> 01:21:21,559
Speaker 1: you can look and be okay, I got ten inches.

1243
01:21:22,439 --> 01:21:25,600
Speaker 1: Then you gotta imagine that on the outside of that,

1244
01:21:25,760 --> 01:21:29,400
Speaker 1: you got that spread twice more on each side, and

1245
01:21:29,520 --> 01:21:31,960
Speaker 1: be like, okay, you might do that. And then people

1246
01:21:32,000 --> 01:21:34,400
Speaker 1: got all kinds of stuff like if he turns his head,

1247
01:21:34,479 --> 01:21:38,160
Speaker 1: how does his antler tip pass over his hump? What

1248
01:21:38,280 --> 01:21:42,519
Speaker 1: else were saying like thirty ears when the erect ears

1249
01:21:42,600 --> 01:21:46,160
Speaker 1: of a bull that's facing you. His full grown moose

1250
01:21:46,200 --> 01:21:49,280
Speaker 1: has ears that are thirty inches and his ears are

1251
01:21:49,400 --> 01:21:52,599
Speaker 1: nine nine inches long, and said, hope, nine to ten

1252
01:21:52,640 --> 01:21:55,880
Speaker 1: inches long. All kinds of little things. But as my

1253
01:21:56,000 --> 01:21:59,280
Speaker 1: brother Danny put it to me, when doing these things,

1254
01:21:59,479 --> 01:22:05,320
Speaker 1: leave some wiggle room, meaning it's got to be just ridiculous. Yeah,

1255
01:22:05,520 --> 01:22:11,200
Speaker 1: like a ridiculous bull, like or for sure for yeah, yeah,

1256
01:22:11,400 --> 01:22:15,800
Speaker 1: it's it's very shoot him off brown times is real

1257
01:22:15,920 --> 01:22:21,400
Speaker 1: comfortable shoot him off with you know, Uh, Steve, I

1258
01:22:21,520 --> 01:22:24,599
Speaker 1: read an article in bow Hunter magazine one time, um

1259
01:22:25,720 --> 01:22:29,760
Speaker 1: where the editor of bow Hunter misjudged a bull. I

1260
01:22:29,800 --> 01:22:31,800
Speaker 1: mean he wrote this article. It was it was a

1261
01:22:31,840 --> 01:22:34,800
Speaker 1: good article where he misjudged the bull and it was

1262
01:22:34,920 --> 01:22:38,200
Speaker 1: like forty nine inches and he had to turn himself in.

1263
01:22:38,360 --> 01:22:42,080
Speaker 1: This was a this was a good standard. Yeah. Anyway,

1264
01:22:42,120 --> 01:22:45,840
Speaker 1: he wrote about it. It sounded hard, It sounded really bad, man.

1265
01:22:45,880 --> 01:22:48,560
Speaker 1: And they all look big, man, they do they do.

1266
01:22:49,320 --> 01:22:52,200
Speaker 1: So we split we that moose shook his head. This

1267
01:22:52,320 --> 01:22:54,679
Speaker 1: is the last day. I got all excited. It started

1268
01:22:54,720 --> 01:23:00,519
Speaker 1: yelling at everybody, whisper yelling. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I said,

1269
01:23:00,960 --> 01:23:03,800
Speaker 1: maybe I think it was at that point, or maybe

1270
01:23:03,840 --> 01:23:06,240
Speaker 1: it was a little earlier that day or the night before.

1271
01:23:06,280 --> 01:23:10,080
Speaker 1: I said, Steve, there's got to be a point when

1272
01:23:10,200 --> 01:23:14,000
Speaker 1: we just got to kind of say it's too late

1273
01:23:14,320 --> 01:23:15,840
Speaker 1: to shoot a moose, because how are we going to

1274
01:23:15,880 --> 01:23:20,720
Speaker 1: get him out? And he because I'm sorry, and he said, uh,

1275
01:23:21,680 --> 01:23:24,960
Speaker 1: I will figure it out. That's what people are saying

1276
01:23:24,960 --> 01:23:27,439
Speaker 1: annoying stuff to me. I will figure it out. But

1277
01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:32,600
Speaker 1: to my defense, I I've never done this before, and

1278
01:23:32,720 --> 01:23:35,240
Speaker 1: now they have doing it, I would would have a

1279
01:23:35,280 --> 01:23:37,840
Speaker 1: little bit different opinions. Well, because what happens is on

1280
01:23:37,960 --> 01:23:40,600
Speaker 1: these hunts you have to schedule when you leave, and

1281
01:23:40,680 --> 01:23:43,479
Speaker 1: so we knew we had to leave on Saturday morning,

1282
01:23:43,880 --> 01:23:47,360
Speaker 1: and so on Friday after, like Friday light morning, we

1283
01:23:47,479 --> 01:23:51,200
Speaker 1: see this bull bed. We see we spook one from

1284
01:23:51,240 --> 01:23:53,880
Speaker 1: our calling. We see one bed. I don't think that's

1285
01:23:53,880 --> 01:24:00,400
Speaker 1: what happened. Well, he was, that's before two things. There's

1286
01:24:00,439 --> 01:24:03,120
Speaker 1: two bulls together. We kind of lost track of one,

1287
01:24:04,120 --> 01:24:07,040
Speaker 1: took one's temperature with some calling. He shook his head

1288
01:24:07,080 --> 01:24:10,799
Speaker 1: too or three times and then fed his way away

1289
01:24:10,880 --> 01:24:14,160
Speaker 1: from us. We're like, did we play it too hot?

1290
01:24:15,720 --> 01:24:19,439
Speaker 1: Did he wind us? Because we'd lost track of the

1291
01:24:19,479 --> 01:24:22,760
Speaker 1: one bull. Later a while later, we realized the other

1292
01:24:22,840 --> 01:24:26,160
Speaker 1: bull is right there. I think that bull had got

1293
01:24:26,240 --> 01:24:28,639
Speaker 1: what by that bowl or wasn't getting anywhere those cows.

1294
01:24:29,000 --> 01:24:32,519
Speaker 1: And then we asked the moose expert if you spook

1295
01:24:32,560 --> 01:24:35,080
Speaker 1: a bowl, and he wins you. Well, he walked away

1296
01:24:35,160 --> 01:24:36,960
Speaker 1: feeding on willow. He's like, no, he's just gonna be

1297
01:24:37,000 --> 01:24:38,600
Speaker 1: getting out of here. He's not gonna like feed his

1298
01:24:38,680 --> 01:24:41,720
Speaker 1: way out of there. I think that that boll came in,

1299
01:24:41,920 --> 01:24:44,400
Speaker 1: checked out those cows. The bull was there, there were

1300
01:24:44,439 --> 01:24:49,720
Speaker 1: the bull, the bulls giving him no quarter, And uh, yeah,

1301
01:24:50,479 --> 01:24:52,360
Speaker 1: I know you don't think that, No, no I do, no, No,

1302
01:24:52,560 --> 01:24:56,920
Speaker 1: I just meant our Colling pushed him away. That's all

1303
01:24:56,960 --> 01:25:00,160
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Our Colin pushed him away for whatever. And

1304
01:25:00,720 --> 01:25:03,479
Speaker 1: so it's it's late in the morning, the last day

1305
01:25:03,680 --> 01:25:07,639
Speaker 1: planes coming tomorrow morning. It's it's eleven o'clock in the day,

1306
01:25:08,240 --> 01:25:12,280
Speaker 1: and we all of a sudden regain sight of a

1307
01:25:12,360 --> 01:25:15,960
Speaker 1: big bedded bull that is not brow time illegal, but

1308
01:25:16,240 --> 01:25:19,200
Speaker 1: we believe have reason to believe he's potentially over fifty.

1309
01:25:19,640 --> 01:25:27,160
Speaker 1: And we dive bomb in. Bull was standing and we

1310
01:25:27,960 --> 01:25:31,800
Speaker 1: go into the brush, go into thick brush, going to

1311
01:25:31,920 --> 01:25:33,559
Speaker 1: try to find this bull, and we know it's gonna

1312
01:25:33,560 --> 01:25:36,160
Speaker 1: be a tall order because you get inside there and

1313
01:25:36,200 --> 01:25:38,880
Speaker 1: you can't you can't see. You're trying to find an

1314
01:25:38,960 --> 01:25:42,400
Speaker 1: opening where you could shoot. And we always had elevation

1315
01:25:42,560 --> 01:25:45,439
Speaker 1: on these bulls because we're up on a ridge and

1316
01:25:45,520 --> 01:25:47,559
Speaker 1: so you can kind of see down into the jungle. Well,

1317
01:25:47,560 --> 01:25:50,360
Speaker 1: when you get in the jungle, you can't see very far. Well,

1318
01:25:50,400 --> 01:25:58,120
Speaker 1: imagine a tick on your dog's back waiting through the Yeah, yeah, Well,

1319
01:25:58,240 --> 01:25:59,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get to the good part of this story,

1320
01:26:00,680 --> 01:26:04,000
Speaker 1: which was we finally we know where the bull was

1321
01:26:04,160 --> 01:26:06,760
Speaker 1: when we left. It took us probably thirty minutes to

1322
01:26:06,840 --> 01:26:12,360
Speaker 1: get to our new vantage point. And yeah, and these

1323
01:26:12,400 --> 01:26:14,720
Speaker 1: moose don't move much, so we we assume that he's

1324
01:26:14,760 --> 01:26:17,519
Speaker 1: gonna be right where we left him. We get into

1325
01:26:17,640 --> 01:26:21,599
Speaker 1: the dog hair, thick willows and aspen. We can't see,

1326
01:26:21,720 --> 01:26:26,080
Speaker 1: can't see moving moving, moving, making noise, winds blowing, and

1327
01:26:26,520 --> 01:26:29,599
Speaker 1: we come to what I believe is probably within gun

1328
01:26:29,800 --> 01:26:32,360
Speaker 1: range of where the bull was. You know, we're inside

1329
01:26:32,400 --> 01:26:35,200
Speaker 1: of four hundred yards and there's a spruce about as

1330
01:26:35,280 --> 01:26:41,479
Speaker 1: big as dirt's calf and uh, and I say, like

1331
01:26:41,680 --> 01:26:44,240
Speaker 1: the brushes high, I say, hey, I'm gonna climb up

1332
01:26:44,280 --> 01:26:47,639
Speaker 1: that spruce and see if I can see down into

1333
01:26:47,680 --> 01:26:49,720
Speaker 1: the draw where the bull was, just so we can

1334
01:26:49,760 --> 01:26:51,840
Speaker 1: get a bead and see if he's still there. So

1335
01:26:52,000 --> 01:26:56,080
Speaker 1: I shimmy up a little spruce about probably eight feet,

1336
01:26:56,200 --> 01:26:58,559
Speaker 1: just enough to get me over the top of the willows.

1337
01:26:58,640 --> 01:27:01,280
Speaker 1: I thought you were gonna bend it for it was Yeah,

1338
01:27:01,400 --> 01:27:03,560
Speaker 1: it wasn't. It wasn't the best tree, but it was

1339
01:27:03,600 --> 01:27:06,120
Speaker 1: the only tree. And I'm looking down to where the

1340
01:27:06,200 --> 01:27:10,439
Speaker 1: bull was, and he's not there. He's gone. And so

1341
01:27:10,600 --> 01:27:12,599
Speaker 1: I stay up there for probably a minute or two,

1342
01:27:13,479 --> 01:27:16,040
Speaker 1: and and I'm looking looking, and finally I turned to

1343
01:27:16,080 --> 01:27:18,080
Speaker 1: the guys and say, I don't see the bull. I

1344
01:27:18,200 --> 01:27:20,599
Speaker 1: think he's gone. I think we've spooked him. I think

1345
01:27:20,680 --> 01:27:24,800
Speaker 1: he's left. And then I'm looking out four yards. I

1346
01:27:25,000 --> 01:27:28,120
Speaker 1: draw my gaze in and all of a sudden, I

1347
01:27:28,360 --> 01:27:34,639
Speaker 1: see the bull bulldozing through the willows at fifty yards

1348
01:27:34,760 --> 01:27:40,160
Speaker 1: probably of us busting all that rush. He heard us

1349
01:27:40,280 --> 01:27:43,600
Speaker 1: coming down the mountain, and again going back to the

1350
01:27:43,720 --> 01:27:48,320
Speaker 1: idea that that breaking brush is a communication method with

1351
01:27:48,439 --> 01:27:51,600
Speaker 1: these these moose. They hear it, they know it, and

1352
01:27:52,000 --> 01:27:54,760
Speaker 1: he was coming to fight us. He thought we were

1353
01:27:54,840 --> 01:27:58,479
Speaker 1: another moose coming into his territory. Well, there there was.

1354
01:27:58,680 --> 01:28:02,840
Speaker 1: So I was watching the us from above. Yeah, there

1355
01:28:02,960 --> 01:28:06,439
Speaker 1: was a cow to that had MOSI in the right

1356
01:28:06,560 --> 01:28:10,160
Speaker 1: direction of where you guys were, and he was actually

1357
01:28:10,720 --> 01:28:17,280
Speaker 1: on her tail, following her, and I think that brought

1358
01:28:17,439 --> 01:28:21,280
Speaker 1: him in close enough where he was like, now he

1359
01:28:21,400 --> 01:28:24,080
Speaker 1: can hear what he thinks there's another ball. And that

1360
01:28:24,200 --> 01:28:27,679
Speaker 1: actually helped h because he's thrashed. He was thrashing, brushing,

1361
01:28:29,439 --> 01:28:32,400
Speaker 1: and so I go, oh, he's right there, he's fifty

1362
01:28:32,479 --> 01:28:35,920
Speaker 1: yards fifty yards and I actually was My instinct was

1363
01:28:36,040 --> 01:28:38,720
Speaker 1: to stay in the tree. Steve. I was gonna just

1364
01:28:38,800 --> 01:28:40,840
Speaker 1: stay in the tree and let you shoot him, because

1365
01:28:40,880 --> 01:28:43,240
Speaker 1: I'm scared. I thought he was just gonna walk right up,

1366
01:28:44,200 --> 01:28:46,559
Speaker 1: and uh, Steve was like, get out of the tree.

1367
01:28:47,439 --> 01:28:52,000
Speaker 1: And so I come down. The moose keeps coming and

1368
01:28:52,160 --> 01:28:55,519
Speaker 1: by this time, the wind, I mean this time he's

1369
01:28:55,560 --> 01:29:00,240
Speaker 1: probably inside. Was he thirty yards yards because he's but

1370
01:29:00,320 --> 01:29:05,439
Speaker 1: you see the trees, trees and in the wind just

1371
01:29:06,240 --> 01:29:08,320
Speaker 1: swirled when it was he was that close, and the

1372
01:29:08,439 --> 01:29:10,960
Speaker 1: and the moose spooks in the way. You know what

1373
01:29:11,080 --> 01:29:14,720
Speaker 1: moose spooks is you never see him again. Things are

1374
01:29:14,800 --> 01:29:17,720
Speaker 1: hot he's coming in. You see the brush movement, and

1375
01:29:17,800 --> 01:29:20,439
Speaker 1: it is an incredible of all the hunting that I've

1376
01:29:20,479 --> 01:29:22,960
Speaker 1: ever done in my life, I would say that watching

1377
01:29:23,040 --> 01:29:27,160
Speaker 1: a bull moose way in the willows bobbing his head

1378
01:29:27,280 --> 01:29:31,920
Speaker 1: like that, intentionally making noise is one of the most

1379
01:29:34,000 --> 01:29:37,040
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna I don't know if it's intimidating or exhilarating.

1380
01:29:37,280 --> 01:29:40,600
Speaker 1: His head is taller in your head. Yeah, it's like

1381
01:29:40,960 --> 01:29:44,679
Speaker 1: it's like a seventeen hand mule with big antlers coming

1382
01:29:44,720 --> 01:29:48,160
Speaker 1: at you. And uh so we spook that bull, but

1383
01:29:48,400 --> 01:29:50,840
Speaker 1: he responded to us. We learned a little bit. The

1384
01:29:51,000 --> 01:29:53,599
Speaker 1: hunt is over, man, We've been doing this for nine

1385
01:29:53,640 --> 01:29:59,240
Speaker 1: and a half days. It's now noon. Steve raised down

1386
01:29:59,320 --> 01:30:01,880
Speaker 1: in the middle the willow brush and takes a nap.

1387
01:30:02,160 --> 01:30:09,759
Speaker 1: He's so frustrated, like I throw up the orangeling system.

1388
01:30:09,840 --> 01:30:14,479
Speaker 1: Back to the people on the hill and literally we're like, man,

1389
01:30:15,200 --> 01:30:17,800
Speaker 1: this has been fun, but we have been beat to

1390
01:30:17,920 --> 01:30:21,920
Speaker 1: the pulp by these moose. And we go back up

1391
01:30:21,960 --> 01:30:26,280
Speaker 1: the hill and I make a pot of percolator coffee.

1392
01:30:27,080 --> 01:30:30,200
Speaker 1: We we go back to our camp and I remember

1393
01:30:30,280 --> 01:30:32,760
Speaker 1: being in the tent with the guys, the camera crew

1394
01:30:32,840 --> 01:30:34,479
Speaker 1: because we filmed this. You'll be able to see this

1395
01:30:34,640 --> 01:30:37,120
Speaker 1: on uh can we tell him where it's gonna be?

1396
01:30:37,439 --> 01:30:46,559
Speaker 1: Already were paying This will be on Meat Eaters season eleven,

1397
01:30:46,640 --> 01:30:49,400
Speaker 1: which you can find on the Meteor dot com. And

1398
01:30:50,680 --> 01:30:52,519
Speaker 1: we were in the tent and the guys asked me,

1399
01:30:52,680 --> 01:30:54,240
Speaker 1: They said, hey, have you talked to Steve? Do you

1400
01:30:54,360 --> 01:30:58,439
Speaker 1: even think we're going out? And I said, I doubt

1401
01:30:58,560 --> 01:31:00,519
Speaker 1: we're even going to go out, like I mean, I

1402
01:31:00,680 --> 01:31:02,720
Speaker 1: thought we might go for a little walk, but we

1403
01:31:02,840 --> 01:31:05,880
Speaker 1: really we didn't have time to kill and pack and

1404
01:31:05,960 --> 01:31:09,920
Speaker 1: it was raining. I mean, everything was saying game over, boys, yeah,

1405
01:31:09,920 --> 01:31:13,160
Speaker 1: because we've been doing this for so long. Well, at

1406
01:31:13,240 --> 01:31:18,160
Speaker 1: four sixteen, after Steve had given Chester quite a bit

1407
01:31:18,200 --> 01:31:23,320
Speaker 1: of input about his uh his live show in Atlanta, UH,

1408
01:31:23,479 --> 01:31:26,320
Speaker 1: Steve says, hey, I want to go walk up to

1409
01:31:26,520 --> 01:31:29,719
Speaker 1: the porcupine, which is the head of a big hollow

1410
01:31:29,840 --> 01:31:34,160
Speaker 1: that we that we named the Porcupine and uh, and

1411
01:31:34,240 --> 01:31:37,120
Speaker 1: I said, well, I'll go with you. And so when

1412
01:31:37,200 --> 01:31:41,720
Speaker 1: I went, then it instigated. It caused the producer of

1413
01:31:41,800 --> 01:31:44,519
Speaker 1: our show to go, well, the camera guys should go too,

1414
01:31:45,200 --> 01:31:48,479
Speaker 1: and so Dirt and Lauren pack up their camera gear

1415
01:31:48,800 --> 01:31:52,759
Speaker 1: and willing En and Sam and I grab a twenty

1416
01:31:52,800 --> 01:31:57,600
Speaker 1: two and go chase Tarmigan. I had just indulged in

1417
01:31:57,840 --> 01:32:03,760
Speaker 1: some wonderful beef struggle peak instant meal, thinking this is

1418
01:32:03,840 --> 01:32:08,560
Speaker 1: my dinner and this is where this is where the

1419
01:32:08,600 --> 01:32:12,280
Speaker 1: story gets good. Can I one little nuanced thing, because

1420
01:32:12,320 --> 01:32:15,800
Speaker 1: we all acknowledge we did it. Everyone left there, most

1421
01:32:15,840 --> 01:32:18,040
Speaker 1: of their ship in there, most of their stuff in

1422
01:32:18,080 --> 01:32:24,360
Speaker 1: their tent. It's like, this is gonna just be a sunset. Like, Yeah,

1423
01:32:24,520 --> 01:32:27,400
Speaker 1: I did the opposite. I wore my my slippers for

1424
01:32:27,560 --> 01:32:30,960
Speaker 1: camp and loaded up the lenses I hadn't used for

1425
01:32:31,000 --> 01:32:34,200
Speaker 1: a while, thinking, oh, yeah, we're going to the Porcupine.

1426
01:32:34,240 --> 01:32:38,040
Speaker 1: We're gonna sit there. Some macro get some time lapses

1427
01:32:38,160 --> 01:32:40,680
Speaker 1: finished this deal out. Yeah. Well, I mean what we're

1428
01:32:40,680 --> 01:32:42,760
Speaker 1: talking about is only like a few yards of our camp,

1429
01:32:42,800 --> 01:32:45,439
Speaker 1: but it's just a way to call into a valley. Yeah,

1430
01:32:45,920 --> 01:32:47,240
Speaker 1: so we go for a while, because we got like

1431
01:32:47,360 --> 01:32:50,840
Speaker 1: two valleys that kind of head up off our off

1432
01:32:50,880 --> 01:32:54,000
Speaker 1: our ridge, and we're gonna go call the valley where

1433
01:32:54,280 --> 01:32:57,080
Speaker 1: not a lot happens. Yeah, we're the Porcupine is not

1434
01:32:57,240 --> 01:32:58,760
Speaker 1: the place you wanted to go. We said that. We

1435
01:32:58,960 --> 01:33:02,120
Speaker 1: we looked into that valley for nine days and I've

1436
01:33:02,200 --> 01:33:06,160
Speaker 1: only seen a couple of cows, and uh, we went

1437
01:33:06,240 --> 01:33:08,360
Speaker 1: there just because we hadn't been there in a few days.

1438
01:33:18,439 --> 01:33:22,000
Speaker 1: Can I t t this up for you? Yeah, So

1439
01:33:23,200 --> 01:33:26,840
Speaker 1: we're walking on a ridge, Sam and I shooting Ptarmigan.

1440
01:33:27,040 --> 01:33:31,479
Speaker 1: We're shooting at him and talking loud, and we're walking

1441
01:33:31,560 --> 01:33:37,960
Speaker 1: along and we come to a chair, Lauren's glass and chair,

1442
01:33:38,600 --> 01:33:43,280
Speaker 1: and no one's sitting there. What happened? So? What happened there?

1443
01:33:44,000 --> 01:33:48,720
Speaker 1: So we were sitting there glassing and uh, we were

1444
01:33:48,720 --> 01:33:51,280
Speaker 1: actually probably looking for a bear that we had seen

1445
01:33:51,320 --> 01:33:53,160
Speaker 1: on the side of this hill a few days before,

1446
01:33:53,400 --> 01:33:55,680
Speaker 1: not even a hunted necessarily, just look. Yeah, we just

1447
01:33:55,800 --> 01:33:57,200
Speaker 1: knew there was a bear on this side of the

1448
01:33:57,240 --> 01:34:03,240
Speaker 1: hill eating blueberries. And Lauren all of a sudden says, Okay,

1449
01:34:03,479 --> 01:34:07,200
Speaker 1: Garrett had a dirt saw a moose that had to

1450
01:34:07,240 --> 01:34:11,360
Speaker 1: have been four miles away cooking, going across an open

1451
01:34:11,600 --> 01:34:15,320
Speaker 1: barren tundra, such that when Steve pulled up his binos

1452
01:34:15,360 --> 01:34:18,280
Speaker 1: and looked at it, he said, that's an argo. That

1453
01:34:18,439 --> 01:34:21,559
Speaker 1: thing is moving so fast. That is an a TV

1454
01:34:21,960 --> 01:34:26,240
Speaker 1: or an argo. And it was just buzzing across the landscape.

1455
01:34:26,479 --> 01:34:28,439
Speaker 1: And Steve pulls up the spotter and it's a bull

1456
01:34:29,360 --> 01:34:32,120
Speaker 1: and he is moving, and Steve said, that bull you

1457
01:34:32,200 --> 01:34:35,479
Speaker 1: could call in. That bull's cruising. That's what we've been

1458
01:34:35,520 --> 01:34:39,839
Speaker 1: looking for, these bulls just lounging around, not responding to calls.

1459
01:34:40,120 --> 01:34:42,880
Speaker 1: We need bulls that are moving, that are that are

1460
01:34:43,000 --> 01:34:45,600
Speaker 1: serious about the rut. So we see the what we

1461
01:34:45,680 --> 01:34:49,800
Speaker 1: called the Argo bull. Within minutes, Lauren says, there's a bull.

1462
01:34:50,600 --> 01:34:53,960
Speaker 1: He says, there's a moose down in the valley below us,

1463
01:34:54,160 --> 01:34:56,400
Speaker 1: and it disappears into the willows. He wasn't even sure

1464
01:34:56,439 --> 01:34:58,280
Speaker 1: it was a moose moose, thought it was a moose.

1465
01:34:58,960 --> 01:35:02,400
Speaker 1: We start looking directly, we see a small, probably two

1466
01:35:02,520 --> 01:35:05,320
Speaker 1: year old moose come out, and we were just all

1467
01:35:05,360 --> 01:35:08,320
Speaker 1: pretty surprised hadn't seen moose there. We say, oh my,

1468
01:35:08,560 --> 01:35:12,280
Speaker 1: there's a moose. Let's call at him. So we called

1469
01:35:12,320 --> 01:35:19,160
Speaker 1: the moose, and directly we see a bigger moose a

1470
01:35:19,360 --> 01:35:23,040
Speaker 1: mile away, well twelve hundred and forty seven yards away,

1471
01:35:24,040 --> 01:35:27,880
Speaker 1: not quite a mile. A couple of days prior, we're

1472
01:35:27,960 --> 01:35:35,599
Speaker 1: thinking up until that point, right, say that again, like that, yeah,

1473
01:35:35,640 --> 01:35:40,400
Speaker 1: that distance, like it maybe an hour prior, we were

1474
01:35:40,479 --> 01:35:44,040
Speaker 1: thinking there was no play, right, there's not gonna be

1475
01:35:44,120 --> 01:35:51,519
Speaker 1: an opportunity. We've now got two hours of daylight. Oh no, no, no, wait,

1476
01:35:51,840 --> 01:35:55,439
Speaker 1: I'm saying we were raring to go. There was no

1477
01:35:55,520 --> 01:35:58,639
Speaker 1: doubt about No. No, I'm saying at camp though, at

1478
01:35:58,760 --> 01:36:01,880
Speaker 1: camp before we and out, Oh we thought we were

1479
01:36:01,960 --> 01:36:06,040
Speaker 1: just done. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, No, I knew game on.

1480
01:36:06,720 --> 01:36:09,960
Speaker 1: So we finally see illegal bull because the young bull

1481
01:36:10,040 --> 01:36:12,599
Speaker 1: wouldn't be legal, he wouldn't be fifty or have four

1482
01:36:12,680 --> 01:36:16,200
Speaker 1: brown times. We see a big, huge paddle sticking out

1483
01:36:17,160 --> 01:36:20,519
Speaker 1: seven yards away and we call at it, put a

1484
01:36:20,560 --> 01:36:21,960
Speaker 1: spot in skull b on it, and I was like,

1485
01:36:23,160 --> 01:36:29,040
Speaker 1: legal bull, And so Steve and I look at each

1486
01:36:29,040 --> 01:36:32,680
Speaker 1: other and basically they're like, let's go to lose. We've

1487
01:36:32,680 --> 01:36:35,639
Speaker 1: got nothing to lose. Is the last two three hours

1488
01:36:35,720 --> 01:36:38,599
Speaker 1: of the season. The season ends today, not just for us,

1489
01:36:38,720 --> 01:36:41,360
Speaker 1: but the most season in this zone. We're gonna go

1490
01:36:41,439 --> 01:36:44,160
Speaker 1: down shooting. So we barrel off the ridge. We know

1491
01:36:44,240 --> 01:36:45,800
Speaker 1: we've got to close the distance. We think if we

1492
01:36:45,880 --> 01:36:48,200
Speaker 1: can get inside this bull's bubble, we might respond. But

1493
01:36:48,600 --> 01:36:51,400
Speaker 1: we're going into thick willows, so we know that we're

1494
01:36:51,400 --> 01:36:54,360
Speaker 1: gonna lose visibility of him. It's gonna be difficult, and

1495
01:36:54,800 --> 01:36:58,360
Speaker 1: we probably gained three hundred yards on him. Steve calls,

1496
01:36:58,640 --> 01:37:03,599
Speaker 1: but what you forgot to make when we put eyes

1497
01:37:03,720 --> 01:37:07,120
Speaker 1: on that bowl as far away as he was, and

1498
01:37:07,200 --> 01:37:11,040
Speaker 1: they can hear for miles. As far away as he was,

1499
01:37:11,560 --> 01:37:14,639
Speaker 1: you couldn't ignore the fact that he was holding stock

1500
01:37:14,800 --> 01:37:21,120
Speaker 1: still with his head point in our direction. Not budget right,

1501
01:37:21,880 --> 01:37:24,920
Speaker 1: something he was interested because we had been calling at

1502
01:37:24,960 --> 01:37:27,120
Speaker 1: that little bull to see what his response would be,

1503
01:37:27,880 --> 01:37:31,000
Speaker 1: and there was reason to believe that he was like, huh,

1504
01:37:31,880 --> 01:37:36,000
Speaker 1: what do I hear? Not for sure because plenty of

1505
01:37:36,360 --> 01:37:39,720
Speaker 1: there's plenty of moose they're looking at you and it's coincidence,

1506
01:37:40,520 --> 01:37:46,679
Speaker 1: but he was looking our way. Yeah. So we dive

1507
01:37:46,760 --> 01:37:49,920
Speaker 1: off the mountain and I know what me we were

1508
01:37:49,960 --> 01:37:53,360
Speaker 1: all thinking, is that every step we go down this mountain,

1509
01:37:53,400 --> 01:37:57,040
Speaker 1: we gotta go back up it. But man, this is

1510
01:37:57,080 --> 01:37:59,439
Speaker 1: the last chance we've got, and we get We gained

1511
01:37:59,439 --> 01:38:02,680
Speaker 1: probably three yards on the bull. Steve climbs up a

1512
01:38:02,880 --> 01:38:06,880
Speaker 1: spruce about probably ten twelve feet to get vantage to

1513
01:38:06,960 --> 01:38:10,000
Speaker 1: look down into the willows, and we're expecting if the

1514
01:38:10,080 --> 01:38:12,719
Speaker 1: bull has responded to our call, to see him coming

1515
01:38:12,840 --> 01:38:15,160
Speaker 1: through the willows because we've got a little bit of

1516
01:38:15,200 --> 01:38:18,559
Speaker 1: elevation on him and sometimes and and he's in an

1517
01:38:18,680 --> 01:38:22,439
Speaker 1: open creek bottom and you can see their horns on

1518
01:38:22,520 --> 01:38:25,160
Speaker 1: a big bull sticking up out of some of the stuff,

1519
01:38:25,320 --> 01:38:28,960
Speaker 1: and we see nothing. And Steve's tree climbing days paid

1520
01:38:29,000 --> 01:38:31,200
Speaker 1: off because he zipped up that sucker. Right. Yeah, I'll

1521
01:38:31,200 --> 01:38:34,400
Speaker 1: point out that was a dead tree too. That's particularly perilous. Yeah.

1522
01:38:34,760 --> 01:38:38,080
Speaker 1: I was seeing, man, this could go bad before and

1523
01:38:38,479 --> 01:38:41,560
Speaker 1: he was breaking and breaking stuff on purpose on the

1524
01:38:41,640 --> 01:38:44,280
Speaker 1: way up the tree because we were He was calling

1525
01:38:44,360 --> 01:38:48,120
Speaker 1: to that bull while he's going up, breaking limbs, stomping limbs,

1526
01:38:49,000 --> 01:38:54,560
Speaker 1: and uh. Basically, after about fifteen minutes, I kind of

1527
01:38:54,600 --> 01:38:56,880
Speaker 1: look at Steve and shrugged my shoulders and just like,

1528
01:38:57,120 --> 01:39:00,400
Speaker 1: I don't know, I guess he's not responding. And then

1529
01:39:01,400 --> 01:39:08,800
Speaker 1: Lauren goes, Okay, more to the story. Okay, I was

1530
01:39:08,840 --> 01:39:12,479
Speaker 1: about to get credit for something. You'll get your credit, buddy.

1531
01:39:16,120 --> 01:39:18,439
Speaker 1: I could see. The one thing I could see real

1532
01:39:18,560 --> 01:39:24,880
Speaker 1: clear was out past where he was, and I'm up

1533
01:39:24,960 --> 01:39:30,320
Speaker 1: in my tree. Is that moose in the road? Man? Sorry,

1534
01:39:30,320 --> 01:39:37,599
Speaker 1: it's right ahead, a little jumpy. So there's there's important

1535
01:39:37,640 --> 01:39:41,040
Speaker 1: part here. Yeah, Yeah, he's he's standing by a little

1536
01:39:41,760 --> 01:39:47,320
Speaker 1: a little spruce patch an island spruce. Yeah, and oddly

1537
01:39:48,520 --> 01:39:53,080
Speaker 1: everything beyond that is was burned off and not growing

1538
01:39:53,160 --> 01:39:58,680
Speaker 1: up good. I know that he hasn't gone left, right

1539
01:39:58,840 --> 01:40:02,000
Speaker 1: or away from us, because if he did, I would

1540
01:40:02,040 --> 01:40:05,320
Speaker 1: see him from the tree. I'm like, I can tell

1541
01:40:05,360 --> 01:40:08,720
Speaker 1: you if you divide the world into like into like

1542
01:40:09,040 --> 01:40:11,960
Speaker 1: directions coming off that thing, whatever the hell north, south, east,

1543
01:40:12,000 --> 01:40:14,920
Speaker 1: west was like, he didn't go south. Let's say we're

1544
01:40:14,960 --> 01:40:17,280
Speaker 1: to the north. He didn't go south, he didn't go west,

1545
01:40:17,320 --> 01:40:19,080
Speaker 1: he didn't go east, because that's the three places I

1546
01:40:19,120 --> 01:40:22,120
Speaker 1: could tell if he went there, and he wasn't any

1547
01:40:22,120 --> 01:40:25,360
Speaker 1: of those places. And our direction was thick willows, so

1548
01:40:25,439 --> 01:40:27,760
Speaker 1: if he came our direction, potentially wouldn't say. I'm like,

1549
01:40:28,080 --> 01:40:30,600
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know what happened, but I

1550
01:40:30,680 --> 01:40:33,920
Speaker 1: can tell you where he didn't go. He didn't go

1551
01:40:34,000 --> 01:40:38,880
Speaker 1: in any of the bad directions. And we got down

1552
01:40:40,400 --> 01:40:44,799
Speaker 1: and I started heading downhill trying to find an opening.

1553
01:40:47,439 --> 01:40:56,200
Speaker 1: We got to an opening and then he praise says, hey,

1554
01:40:56,520 --> 01:40:59,840
Speaker 1: I just heard some brush cracking over to the left,

1555
01:41:00,720 --> 01:41:06,400
Speaker 1: kind of to the east, and uh, sure enough, Steve says,

1556
01:41:06,520 --> 01:41:08,920
Speaker 1: I thought I heard something too. Now I'm half deaf,

1557
01:41:09,000 --> 01:41:12,559
Speaker 1: so I didn't hear it at first, and sure enough

1558
01:41:12,840 --> 01:41:16,040
Speaker 1: it we hear a distinct crack again that we know

1559
01:41:16,320 --> 01:41:19,479
Speaker 1: is not just a tree falling, and we know there's

1560
01:41:19,520 --> 01:41:22,000
Speaker 1: a bull moose coming in. So Steve and I cast

1561
01:41:22,120 --> 01:41:27,640
Speaker 1: come halfway up that hill. He's come yards this this,

1562
01:41:27,960 --> 01:41:32,080
Speaker 1: this bull has and in a matter of probably fifteen minutes,

1563
01:41:32,160 --> 01:41:34,120
Speaker 1: all the while you guys have been calling and raking,

1564
01:41:34,320 --> 01:41:36,400
Speaker 1: we've been calling, and he was coming to meet us.

1565
01:41:36,680 --> 01:41:40,560
Speaker 1: And what we didn't we didn't know it. And so

1566
01:41:40,720 --> 01:41:45,080
Speaker 1: Steve and I crouched behind the log, and all of

1567
01:41:45,120 --> 01:41:48,960
Speaker 1: a sudden we see the brush splitting, and we see

1568
01:41:49,040 --> 01:41:51,720
Speaker 1: the tree top swaying. And man, I'll go back to

1569
01:41:51,920 --> 01:41:56,240
Speaker 1: I've been in a lot, I mean, killing whitetail, deer,

1570
01:41:56,400 --> 01:42:01,160
Speaker 1: killing goblin goblin, turkeys, killing bears. Man, there, I don't

1571
01:42:01,200 --> 01:42:04,200
Speaker 1: know that much comparison with seeing a big bull moose

1572
01:42:04,800 --> 01:42:09,200
Speaker 1: wading through stuff coming to you. Just the top swaying

1573
01:42:09,400 --> 01:42:12,920
Speaker 1: like some big coming. He was just knocking huge trees

1574
01:42:13,000 --> 01:42:16,680
Speaker 1: and shaking. He's coming for you, and it's like it

1575
01:42:16,760 --> 01:42:20,960
Speaker 1: was a guerrilla coming. And then I always think Jurassic Park,

1576
01:42:21,000 --> 01:42:24,000
Speaker 1: You guys, remember that the raptors coming in, just parting

1577
01:42:24,040 --> 01:42:29,639
Speaker 1: all the I'm thinking of dinosaurs coming. Well, we see

1578
01:42:29,680 --> 01:42:33,080
Speaker 1: a bull. We we see his shape through the trees,

1579
01:42:33,200 --> 01:42:38,760
Speaker 1: and started grunting a little bit, and and Steve and

1580
01:42:38,840 --> 01:42:41,600
Speaker 1: I both have a tag and and I know that

1581
01:42:41,800 --> 01:42:45,479
Speaker 1: Steve wants to kill a big bull moose and has

1582
01:42:45,520 --> 01:42:47,720
Speaker 1: been on many trips. And I will say this of

1583
01:42:47,840 --> 01:42:51,479
Speaker 1: Steve Ronella is that he is always letting other people

1584
01:42:51,640 --> 01:42:55,640
Speaker 1: shoot stuff that he's on hunts with. That's true. Yeah,

1585
01:42:55,720 --> 01:43:04,880
Speaker 1: don't tell that, Ryan Callahan, well except except for sorry

1586
01:43:04,960 --> 01:43:11,679
Speaker 1: cal So, this bull's coming and I say, Steve, shoot

1587
01:43:11,760 --> 01:43:14,200
Speaker 1: this bull, and he says, no, you shoot the bull.

1588
01:43:14,240 --> 01:43:16,679
Speaker 1: And I said, if it's a big bull, you shoot

1589
01:43:16,720 --> 01:43:21,960
Speaker 1: the bull. And then directly a small bull appears twenty

1590
01:43:22,040 --> 01:43:24,280
Speaker 1: yards from us. I stepped it off today and it

1591
01:43:24,400 --> 01:43:30,720
Speaker 1: was under twenty yards yards nineteen yards and a young,

1592
01:43:30,960 --> 01:43:33,960
Speaker 1: immature bull steps out and I go, man, it's a

1593
01:43:34,080 --> 01:43:36,559
Speaker 1: it's not legal. I can see it better than Steve,

1594
01:43:36,640 --> 01:43:40,000
Speaker 1: just because I'm where I'm at, and uh, and Steve goes,

1595
01:43:40,080 --> 01:43:44,160
Speaker 1: I can't believe it's that small bull. And so we're

1596
01:43:44,720 --> 01:43:46,880
Speaker 1: it's fun that we're twenty yards from a bull that

1597
01:43:47,000 --> 01:43:50,320
Speaker 1: came in. Our hearts are racing, but it's a bummer.

1598
01:43:50,360 --> 01:43:54,760
Speaker 1: That's a small one. Well, the bull standing still and

1599
01:43:54,920 --> 01:43:57,840
Speaker 1: kind of directly behind him. You can still see the

1600
01:43:57,920 --> 01:44:02,200
Speaker 1: brush cracking and moving back behind him. And I don't

1601
01:44:02,240 --> 01:44:04,400
Speaker 1: know who, if it was Lauren or Dirt or who,

1602
01:44:04,960 --> 01:44:07,800
Speaker 1: but people said there's there's another bull coming. I like,

1603
01:44:07,960 --> 01:44:14,160
Speaker 1: Steve heard it too, and and so we know that

1604
01:44:14,320 --> 01:44:15,960
Speaker 1: this one has got to be the big bull that

1605
01:44:16,080 --> 01:44:18,880
Speaker 1: we saw. And so we're crouched behind a log and

1606
01:44:18,960 --> 01:44:20,800
Speaker 1: I say, Steve, it's a big bull. You shoot it.

1607
01:44:20,880 --> 01:44:23,880
Speaker 1: And he says, no, Clay, you shoot the bull. And

1608
01:44:23,960 --> 01:44:26,400
Speaker 1: so I say okay, and me and Dirt jump up

1609
01:44:26,439 --> 01:44:30,240
Speaker 1: and move about ten ft behind a spruce stump that

1610
01:44:30,400 --> 01:44:33,360
Speaker 1: had uprooted, and it was a perfect cover. I laid

1611
01:44:33,479 --> 01:44:36,360
Speaker 1: my gun right and the why and man, here comes

1612
01:44:36,439 --> 01:44:39,400
Speaker 1: this what to me is a giant bull moose, still

1613
01:44:39,600 --> 01:44:44,280
Speaker 1: very dense, like what visibility is like, yeah, yeah, you

1614
01:44:44,320 --> 01:44:49,000
Speaker 1: couldn't see very far. And and so now there's a

1615
01:44:49,320 --> 01:44:52,800
Speaker 1: thirty inch bull moose and then this giant to what

1616
01:44:52,960 --> 01:44:56,080
Speaker 1: to me is a giant bull moose twenty yards from us.

1617
01:44:57,000 --> 01:44:59,920
Speaker 1: I've got the gun up. He comes through an opening,

1618
01:45:00,160 --> 01:45:02,560
Speaker 1: but there's a lot of limbs and I realized that

1619
01:45:02,600 --> 01:45:08,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to shoot through limbs, and he continues

1620
01:45:08,200 --> 01:45:11,080
Speaker 1: to move and gets the nineteen yards. I shoot through

1621
01:45:11,120 --> 01:45:14,639
Speaker 1: some brush, hit him in the shoulder, Moose goes down

1622
01:45:15,120 --> 01:45:17,800
Speaker 1: on his back end. Shoot him again. Moose goes down,

1623
01:45:18,320 --> 01:45:22,679
Speaker 1: and we got a big bull moose. On the tenth day,

1624
01:45:23,560 --> 01:45:27,320
Speaker 1: six thirty in the evening gets dark about eight o'clock,

1625
01:45:27,680 --> 01:45:31,320
Speaker 1: and I heard I heard the two shots from above,

1626
01:45:31,439 --> 01:45:36,400
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I can I can't believe it. Like, yeah,

1627
01:45:36,680 --> 01:45:40,160
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe it. Just the whole week. We had

1628
01:45:40,240 --> 01:45:43,320
Speaker 1: been trying so hard, and then it finally came together

1629
01:45:43,400 --> 01:45:45,519
Speaker 1: on the last day. And I'll say, now this is

1630
01:45:45,560 --> 01:45:47,400
Speaker 1: where I'll get back to what Steve said earlier when

1631
01:45:47,439 --> 01:45:50,000
Speaker 1: I said this thing is bigger than my mule. That

1632
01:45:50,280 --> 01:45:54,400
Speaker 1: moose was was about as big as a seventeen hand

1633
01:45:54,479 --> 01:46:01,040
Speaker 1: mule in my assessment. Uh, monstrous animals. I mean just yeah,

1634
01:46:01,160 --> 01:46:03,240
Speaker 1: you can't even especially when they fall on the trees

1635
01:46:03,320 --> 01:46:07,120
Speaker 1: like that. I mean you can't even kind of move them. No,

1636
01:46:08,160 --> 01:46:11,720
Speaker 1: I mean you just gotta start. You skin him up

1637
01:46:11,760 --> 01:46:15,080
Speaker 1: the back. It just gets get whatever side happens to

1638
01:46:15,120 --> 01:46:18,160
Speaker 1: be facing up skinned off. You're not gonna like roll

1639
01:46:18,280 --> 01:46:20,040
Speaker 1: him on his back and got them out and not

1640
01:46:20,160 --> 01:46:23,760
Speaker 1: in that kind of cover. So we had airplanes coming

1641
01:46:23,840 --> 01:46:26,719
Speaker 1: at seven thirty in the morning and it's six thirty

1642
01:46:27,240 --> 01:46:30,920
Speaker 1: and we've got a moose down. But good for us.

1643
01:46:31,040 --> 01:46:33,040
Speaker 1: He was only about eight and fifty yards from the

1644
01:46:33,040 --> 01:46:36,679
Speaker 1: air strip, but uphill probably a thousand feet of elevation.

1645
01:46:36,800 --> 01:46:41,800
Speaker 1: Game and uh so we had a good team with us.

1646
01:46:42,080 --> 01:46:45,280
Speaker 1: The camera guy's Chester, Samantha Bates, was with us. So

1647
01:46:45,360 --> 01:46:49,320
Speaker 1: there were six how many of the six six of us.

1648
01:46:49,520 --> 01:46:52,280
Speaker 1: I was impressed with how I mean, I was impressed

1649
01:46:52,360 --> 01:46:55,479
Speaker 1: with that hunt, but also the reaction to the time,

1650
01:46:55,600 --> 01:47:00,479
Speaker 1: sensitiveness of man, we had that sucker. Yeah, owned out

1651
01:47:00,680 --> 01:47:03,200
Speaker 1: in a couple of hours. When that kind of stuff happens,

1652
01:47:04,560 --> 01:47:06,680
Speaker 1: as much as you know how much work it's gonna be,

1653
01:47:07,000 --> 01:47:10,000
Speaker 1: it's very exciting at the same time because you're like,

1654
01:47:10,320 --> 01:47:13,200
Speaker 1: we're gonna be up till midnight. They had a fire

1655
01:47:13,320 --> 01:47:18,000
Speaker 1: going down there. It's just like a cool moment, like

1656
01:47:18,200 --> 01:47:21,200
Speaker 1: my favorite moment of the trip. And we're all they're

1657
01:47:21,400 --> 01:47:24,400
Speaker 1: boning out the meat and putting it in game bags

1658
01:47:24,520 --> 01:47:28,400
Speaker 1: and pack it out and big old fire. I learned

1659
01:47:28,400 --> 01:47:30,240
Speaker 1: a new recipe when you bone out of the shoult

1660
01:47:30,320 --> 01:47:33,719
Speaker 1: the scapula, stand the scapula up next to the fire

1661
01:47:33,800 --> 01:47:36,479
Speaker 1: until the meats all kind of whatever little bits around

1662
01:47:36,520 --> 01:47:38,840
Speaker 1: there charred a little bit and then you scrape them

1663
01:47:38,840 --> 01:47:41,000
Speaker 1: all off with a knife and eat them. You're saying,

1664
01:47:41,000 --> 01:47:43,680
Speaker 1: bring salt, right, Oh, we didn't have salt. Would have

1665
01:47:43,680 --> 01:47:45,920
Speaker 1: made it ten times. So the reason you make a fire,

1666
01:47:46,280 --> 01:47:49,040
Speaker 1: you make a big fire for it helps for light,

1667
01:47:49,280 --> 01:47:52,120
Speaker 1: but also to keep grizzlies away, because when you're in

1668
01:47:52,160 --> 01:47:55,759
Speaker 1: Alaska and you kill a moose, you're immediately a grizzly target.

1669
01:47:56,160 --> 01:47:58,160
Speaker 1: So we did a lot of whooping and yelling, and

1670
01:47:58,320 --> 01:48:00,960
Speaker 1: it's it's comforting too when you're out there in the dark.

1671
01:48:01,120 --> 01:48:03,479
Speaker 1: Just it's nice to warm up and have a fire.

1672
01:48:04,040 --> 01:48:07,360
Speaker 1: And another thing, so we beg all this meat up

1673
01:48:08,200 --> 01:48:11,320
Speaker 1: and the planes fly it out the next day. One

1674
01:48:11,400 --> 01:48:13,920
Speaker 1: of the things that before this trip, I'm like, how

1675
01:48:14,080 --> 01:48:17,479
Speaker 1: are we going to get all this meat back? Usually

1676
01:48:17,520 --> 01:48:21,679
Speaker 1: we throw it in like yetti, you know, soft sided

1677
01:48:21,760 --> 01:48:25,760
Speaker 1: YETI coolers and like fly back with it all. But

1678
01:48:25,840 --> 01:48:28,960
Speaker 1: you can't really do that with a moose too. We've

1679
01:48:29,040 --> 01:48:32,439
Speaker 1: done it. It gets real pricey. Yeah, So we found

1680
01:48:33,760 --> 01:48:36,400
Speaker 1: so we found a guy who's got a business that

1681
01:48:36,640 --> 01:48:43,240
Speaker 1: revolves around getting people's meat back to the States, and

1682
01:48:43,560 --> 01:48:48,160
Speaker 1: he's it's an Alaska Trophy Express and he just picks

1683
01:48:48,240 --> 01:48:52,559
Speaker 1: up your meat from whatever locker that there is. It's Tim,

1684
01:48:53,040 --> 01:48:55,240
Speaker 1: I think his name is Tim, and he'll pick it

1685
01:48:55,360 --> 01:49:00,080
Speaker 1: up and he's gonna drive it down to Arkansas. So

1686
01:49:00,160 --> 01:49:04,880
Speaker 1: we got frozen game bags, he's got the skull, he's

1687
01:49:04,880 --> 01:49:08,679
Speaker 1: got a sweet shot I found and we'll keep you updated.

1688
01:49:09,360 --> 01:49:12,040
Speaker 1: And he's gonna pick it up and bring it down

1689
01:49:12,080 --> 01:49:17,840
Speaker 1: in a refrigerated truck. Yeah, Alaska, Alaska, say the Alaska

1690
01:49:17,960 --> 01:49:24,880
Speaker 1: Trophy Express. With the guy on how communicative he was

1691
01:49:25,040 --> 01:49:27,760
Speaker 1: he talked to me on the phone today. I felt

1692
01:49:27,960 --> 01:49:30,360
Speaker 1: very certain that he was gonna take care I was

1693
01:49:30,560 --> 01:49:34,479
Speaker 1: very concerned about my antlers. I mean, it's like, dude,

1694
01:49:35,080 --> 01:49:37,320
Speaker 1: you're gonna take care of these for me. The whole

1695
01:49:37,360 --> 01:49:42,000
Speaker 1: thing get busted, just like not ever seeing him again.

1696
01:49:43,680 --> 01:49:48,439
Speaker 1: Very nice guy. Yeah, that's wild. We're talking about getting

1697
01:49:48,479 --> 01:49:53,599
Speaker 1: out there. You go from you know, flying from Montana

1698
01:49:53,680 --> 01:49:59,080
Speaker 1: and Arkansas to be in out and I don't know

1699
01:49:59,160 --> 01:50:02,880
Speaker 1: how many miles into the wild country without any establishment,

1700
01:50:03,080 --> 01:50:07,160
Speaker 1: and the transition is so quick you almost can't help

1701
01:50:07,640 --> 01:50:10,599
Speaker 1: process where you're at and I was just thinking, it's

1702
01:50:10,640 --> 01:50:14,439
Speaker 1: only twenty four hours. Wait, we were skinning a bull moose.

1703
01:50:15,200 --> 01:50:17,760
Speaker 1: Twenty four hours ago. We were skinning a bull moose

1704
01:50:19,160 --> 01:50:22,839
Speaker 1: next to the fire in the wilds of Inland, Alaska.

1705
01:50:22,960 --> 01:50:25,920
Speaker 1: Now we're in a van doing a podcast. Just crossed

1706
01:50:25,920 --> 01:50:33,120
Speaker 1: the river. Just crossed the river. Yeah, it's a good trip, man, trip.

1707
01:50:33,240 --> 01:50:35,640
Speaker 1: I had come to peace with. I had come to

1708
01:50:35,680 --> 01:50:39,080
Speaker 1: peace with not getting one. Yeah, that's Souff bugs me,

1709
01:50:39,120 --> 01:50:41,800
Speaker 1: but it never but I mean, you know it bugs me. Yeah,

1710
01:50:42,560 --> 01:50:43,760
Speaker 1: he tears me up a little bit. But I had

1711
01:50:43,840 --> 01:50:45,040
Speaker 1: come to peace, and I was like, man, we had

1712
01:50:45,080 --> 01:50:47,720
Speaker 1: to help a trip, you know. And I thought, Chester said,

1713
01:50:47,720 --> 01:50:49,320
Speaker 1: you think we did it again, we would have got one,

1714
01:50:49,439 --> 01:50:52,600
Speaker 1: And I'm like, yeah, because I learned enough where I

1715
01:50:52,680 --> 01:50:54,200
Speaker 1: was like, I learned enough where I think if I

1716
01:50:54,280 --> 01:50:58,360
Speaker 1: could do this over again, I would we would. Yeah.

1717
01:50:58,680 --> 01:51:01,760
Speaker 1: But it's a lie that it's it's it's a lot

1718
01:51:01,880 --> 01:51:05,599
Speaker 1: of work to get up there. It's a big commitment. You're,

1719
01:51:05,880 --> 01:51:08,680
Speaker 1: you know, away from family, so it is kind of

1720
01:51:08,760 --> 01:51:10,400
Speaker 1: a bummer when you go up there and sit there

1721
01:51:10,439 --> 01:51:14,840
Speaker 1: for nine days. But we're there for the entire season.

1722
01:51:15,600 --> 01:51:21,320
Speaker 1: It's pretty Yeah, it's it's an interesting hunt. To sum

1723
01:51:21,439 --> 01:51:25,840
Speaker 1: it up, it's like, bring some books. Yeah, bring a

1724
01:51:25,920 --> 01:51:28,800
Speaker 1: zero degree bag. I learned that in the hardware. Yeah,

1725
01:51:28,960 --> 01:51:33,240
Speaker 1: you can't um you like, no matter what, you're gonna

1726
01:51:33,320 --> 01:51:38,080
Speaker 1: underestimate the cold because you're just sitting. Man. We're there

1727
01:51:38,120 --> 01:51:44,240
Speaker 1: on some days like humidity, you know, lows in the thirties,

1728
01:51:44,600 --> 01:51:47,240
Speaker 1: and you're just sitting, sitting, sitting, sitting, sitting. It wears

1729
01:51:47,360 --> 01:51:51,720
Speaker 1: on you. Yeah, Lauren, how far are we away from Fairbanks?

1730
01:51:52,520 --> 01:51:57,519
Speaker 1: We're getting close now. We're probably another forty miles away.

1731
01:51:58,920 --> 01:52:04,160
Speaker 1: Not too bad. Good all right, ladies and gentlemen. It's

1732
01:52:04,160 --> 01:52:09,200
Speaker 1: getting dark. Sun is setting, Sun is setting. The whole

1733
01:52:09,240 --> 01:52:15,439
Speaker 1: growl thing didn't happen. Still trying to booze, closing in

1734
01:52:15,520 --> 01:52:39,000
Speaker 1: on Fairbanks, Alaska. We love you all. Ninety night, Lucy.

1735
01:52:39,680 --> 01:52:49,919
Speaker 1: By Vince Merritt. This story came to us from Vince himself.

1736
01:52:50,680 --> 01:52:53,200
Speaker 1: He submitted it to us through email, and then we

1737
01:52:53,280 --> 01:52:56,759
Speaker 1: had a hard time getting hold of him again. After

1738
01:52:56,880 --> 01:53:00,880
Speaker 1: his submission, he wrote back to say, quote, Luckily, my

1739
01:53:01,040 --> 01:53:04,800
Speaker 1: lifelong friend and hunting buddy Michael is a bit a

1740
01:53:04,920 --> 01:53:09,120
Speaker 1: lot more computer savvy than I. Although I have an

1741
01:53:09,200 --> 01:53:12,760
Speaker 1: email account, I just recently set it up and had

1742
01:53:12,840 --> 01:53:18,479
Speaker 1: no idea the unbelievable amount of junk emails one can acquire.

1743
01:53:19,320 --> 01:53:23,720
Speaker 1: I would much rather talk in person, if that's possible. Unquote.

1744
01:53:24,960 --> 01:53:29,559
Speaker 1: You'll see why Vince feels that talking is a strong point,

1745
01:53:29,880 --> 01:53:35,679
Speaker 1: because he is a vivid, somewhat immaculate storyteller. His attention

1746
01:53:35,720 --> 01:53:40,559
Speaker 1: to detail is pretty astonishing. I also like how he's

1747
01:53:40,600 --> 01:53:45,479
Speaker 1: able to talk about shooting himself without any real self

1748
01:53:45,560 --> 01:53:48,920
Speaker 1: consciousness or shame. He just takes it as something that's

1749
01:53:48,920 --> 01:53:53,040
Speaker 1: a matter of fact. My dad liked to brag that

1750
01:53:53,120 --> 01:53:56,280
Speaker 1: he got through World War Two without ever getting scratched

1751
01:53:56,320 --> 01:53:59,599
Speaker 1: by a bullet, only to come home and get shot

1752
01:53:59,640 --> 01:54:05,280
Speaker 1: in the at hunting rabbits. I've heard countless stories of

1753
01:54:05,800 --> 01:54:10,080
Speaker 1: shooting accidents out hunting, but I'd be being dishonest if

1754
01:54:10,120 --> 01:54:13,040
Speaker 1: I didn't admit that some of them are just kind

1755
01:54:13,080 --> 01:54:15,479
Speaker 1: of funnier, or they're just so weird, and they have

1756
01:54:15,600 --> 01:54:18,000
Speaker 1: this tone to him that when you hear him, you

1757
01:54:18,120 --> 01:54:20,719
Speaker 1: kind of want to laugh. We all know the story

1758
01:54:21,320 --> 01:54:24,639
Speaker 1: where Dick Cheney shot his friend in the face while

1759
01:54:24,720 --> 01:54:28,320
Speaker 1: hunting quail, and it should be said that the most

1760
01:54:28,439 --> 01:54:33,440
Speaker 1: common hunting injury like gun related hunting injury is that

1761
01:54:33,520 --> 01:54:36,280
Speaker 1: you get shot by a shotgun. A lot of people

1762
01:54:36,400 --> 01:54:41,000
Speaker 1: feel that big game rifles with the requisite blaze orange

1763
01:54:41,080 --> 01:54:43,680
Speaker 1: that that's where the danger lies, but it's not as

1764
01:54:43,720 --> 01:54:46,760
Speaker 1: bad as shotguns. I recently heard a story from a

1765
01:54:46,840 --> 01:54:51,800
Speaker 1: friend of mine about a very rotund man that he

1766
01:54:51,960 --> 01:54:56,480
Speaker 1: knew who was out hunting rabbits. This guy gets down

1767
01:54:56,560 --> 01:54:59,320
Speaker 1: on his hands and knees to check under a junk car.

1768
01:54:59,440 --> 01:55:02,200
Speaker 1: In any rare hunter will know that rabbits like the

1769
01:55:02,240 --> 01:55:05,480
Speaker 1: hide under jumped out cars. For whatever reason, realizes that

1770
01:55:05,560 --> 01:55:07,880
Speaker 1: he can't get back up. He doesn't have that kind

1771
01:55:07,880 --> 01:55:12,120
Speaker 1: of mobility, so he grabs his pump action four ten

1772
01:55:12,280 --> 01:55:14,760
Speaker 1: shotgun by the barrel to use it sort of like

1773
01:55:14,840 --> 01:55:17,920
Speaker 1: a cane or walking stick, and with this gun as

1774
01:55:17,960 --> 01:55:21,200
Speaker 1: a support, manages to get himself back up on his feet.

1775
01:55:21,680 --> 01:55:25,200
Speaker 1: But he gets the muzzle of the shotgun under one

1776
01:55:25,280 --> 01:55:27,800
Speaker 1: of his fat rolls and he's kind of lodged on

1777
01:55:27,920 --> 01:55:30,840
Speaker 1: it and can't get himself up and off it. So

1778
01:55:31,000 --> 01:55:34,360
Speaker 1: what he decides to do is kick the stock of

1779
01:55:34,440 --> 01:55:36,680
Speaker 1: the shotgun in order to kick it out from under

1780
01:55:36,720 --> 01:55:39,480
Speaker 1: his gut. When he kicks it, it goes off and

1781
01:55:39,600 --> 01:55:43,360
Speaker 1: his gut fat absorbs the full force of that four

1782
01:55:43,480 --> 01:55:48,800
Speaker 1: ten load, no injury to his internal organs. A couple

1783
01:55:48,840 --> 01:55:50,800
Speaker 1: of years ago on the Meat Eater podcast, we got

1784
01:55:50,880 --> 01:55:55,880
Speaker 1: kind of wrangled into this discussion about what we call

1785
01:55:56,040 --> 01:55:59,200
Speaker 1: accidental discharges. Right, so when your gun goes off and

1786
01:55:59,280 --> 01:56:03,720
Speaker 1: you didn't mean it, and the marine wrote in to say,

1787
01:56:04,320 --> 01:56:07,760
Speaker 1: there's no such thing as an accidental discharge. There are

1788
01:56:07,880 --> 01:56:14,800
Speaker 1: only negligent discharges. Where these stories lose their humor is

1789
01:56:14,880 --> 01:56:21,480
Speaker 1: when you get into fatalities or permanent injuries. Recently, someone

1790
01:56:21,920 --> 01:56:26,200
Speaker 1: recommended to me a book called Dying to Hunt in Montana,

1791
01:56:27,080 --> 01:56:31,040
Speaker 1: and a large section of that book is devoted to

1792
01:56:32,080 --> 01:56:38,360
Speaker 1: firearm fatalities, many of them self inflicted accidents. I got

1793
01:56:38,600 --> 01:56:41,080
Speaker 1: a couple of pages into that book and had to

1794
01:56:41,160 --> 01:56:44,480
Speaker 1: put it away and never opened it back up again.

1795
01:56:45,120 --> 01:56:48,520
Speaker 1: It was just too upsetting to imagine those things happening

1796
01:56:48,960 --> 01:56:53,440
Speaker 1: to my friends, or particularly to my kids. It's not

1797
01:56:53,600 --> 01:56:57,000
Speaker 1: all a joke. The story you're about here could have

1798
01:56:57,160 --> 01:57:02,040
Speaker 1: easily it almost did, turn into one of those deeply

1799
01:57:02,680 --> 01:57:07,400
Speaker 1: sad and tragic stories. But we all know this is

1800
01:57:07,440 --> 01:57:17,520
Speaker 1: called close calls, so ultimately it's about triumph. My name

1801
01:57:17,600 --> 01:57:22,280
Speaker 1: is Vince Merritt November five. It was of two thousand

1802
01:57:22,400 --> 01:57:29,560
Speaker 1: and five. I was duck hunting in uh, a little

1803
01:57:29,640 --> 01:57:32,880
Speaker 1: lake up in northern California where I live, ten or

1804
01:57:32,920 --> 01:57:35,960
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes away from my house. Me and a couple

1805
01:57:36,000 --> 01:57:37,760
Speaker 1: of buddies of mine, we're gonna go out and jump

1806
01:57:37,880 --> 01:57:39,760
Speaker 1: this lake and see if we could kill any birds.

1807
01:57:41,000 --> 01:57:43,640
Speaker 1: I parked about three quarters of a mile away from

1808
01:57:43,680 --> 01:57:47,240
Speaker 1: where I was going to launch my little boat, got

1809
01:57:47,320 --> 01:57:51,360
Speaker 1: out of the vehicle and uh, it was cold. We

1810
01:57:51,520 --> 01:57:54,840
Speaker 1: had a good storm that weekend, left the dusting of

1811
01:57:54,960 --> 01:57:58,320
Speaker 1: snow on the ground, and figured it'd probably pushed some

1812
01:57:58,400 --> 01:58:01,920
Speaker 1: birds down. I stopped about a hundred yards short of

1813
01:58:02,000 --> 01:58:05,000
Speaker 1: the lake. I was just gonna drift down the creek

1814
01:58:05,680 --> 01:58:07,320
Speaker 1: time it so I can hit the lake. Just at

1815
01:58:07,360 --> 01:58:11,120
Speaker 1: shooting time, a flock of birds came in and sat

1816
01:58:11,160 --> 01:58:14,000
Speaker 1: down right at the mouth of the street. So foolishly

1817
01:58:14,640 --> 01:58:19,040
Speaker 1: I loaded my gun up all a five brownie and

1818
01:58:19,120 --> 01:58:21,200
Speaker 1: as my dad's gun, who had just passed away a

1819
01:58:21,240 --> 01:58:24,440
Speaker 1: couple of years before this, figuring, this is gonna be

1820
01:58:24,520 --> 01:58:28,840
Speaker 1: an easy, easy blast. And at this point I was

1821
01:58:28,840 --> 01:58:31,680
Speaker 1: still waiting for my buddies to show up. One of

1822
01:58:31,760 --> 01:58:34,200
Speaker 1: my buddies was coming over the damn one was coming

1823
01:58:34,240 --> 01:58:37,920
Speaker 1: from the boat launch, just covering the exits, because uh

1824
01:58:38,640 --> 01:58:40,800
Speaker 1: to these birds do. They'll they'll roost on the lake

1825
01:58:40,880 --> 01:58:43,320
Speaker 1: all night and then at first light they take off

1826
01:58:43,360 --> 01:58:46,560
Speaker 1: in all different directions going out in the lake. So

1827
01:58:46,960 --> 01:58:50,760
Speaker 1: with like two minutes left my buddies, I realized weren't

1828
01:58:50,760 --> 01:58:52,640
Speaker 1: gonna make it, or they were running late. They weren't

1829
01:58:52,640 --> 01:58:55,760
Speaker 1: gonna be there a shooting time, so I wasn't waiting anymore.

1830
01:58:57,200 --> 01:59:00,080
Speaker 1: I had my black lab Lucy with me, but he

1831
01:59:00,120 --> 01:59:01,720
Speaker 1: didn't want to take her in the boat, being this

1832
01:59:02,080 --> 01:59:03,720
Speaker 1: small of a boat it was, and she had not

1833
01:59:03,840 --> 01:59:06,280
Speaker 1: been in a hunted out of a boat before anyway,

1834
01:59:06,960 --> 01:59:09,440
Speaker 1: so I kind of left her on the bank. Got

1835
01:59:09,520 --> 01:59:12,520
Speaker 1: in the boat. I was on my knees and I

1836
01:59:12,600 --> 01:59:15,840
Speaker 1: had the gun alongside me, with the barrel pointing up

1837
01:59:15,880 --> 01:59:19,680
Speaker 1: in the air, leaning up against the seat, I grabbed

1838
01:59:19,720 --> 01:59:23,440
Speaker 1: the oar, pushed off the bank with the oar and

1839
01:59:23,640 --> 01:59:27,440
Speaker 1: pushed right into a sandbar and it just stopped the

1840
01:59:27,520 --> 01:59:31,800
Speaker 1: boat just like I ran into a brick wall. And

1841
01:59:31,880 --> 01:59:34,480
Speaker 1: when the boat stopped, just solid like that, the gun

1842
01:59:35,200 --> 01:59:37,920
Speaker 1: slid down off the bed. Sheat hit the bottom of

1843
01:59:37,960 --> 01:59:45,280
Speaker 1: the boat and went off. Now, I I didn't realize

1844
01:59:45,320 --> 01:59:48,360
Speaker 1: at that time that's what happened, because as I remember

1845
01:59:48,480 --> 01:59:52,160
Speaker 1: is hearing a shot and thinking, damn it, somebody shot early,

1846
01:59:53,120 --> 01:59:54,960
Speaker 1: because all the birds, of course, took off as soon

1847
01:59:55,040 --> 01:59:57,920
Speaker 1: as the gun went off. And then I started thinking,

1848
01:59:58,480 --> 02:00:00,880
Speaker 1: how could somebody have shot earlier? I I'm the only

1849
02:00:00,920 --> 02:00:04,840
Speaker 1: one on the lake. But I looked down and my

1850
02:00:05,000 --> 02:00:07,640
Speaker 1: guns laying on the bottom of the boat, and there's

1851
02:00:07,680 --> 02:00:11,120
Speaker 1: smoke drifted up out of the barrel. I realized it

1852
02:00:11,200 --> 02:00:13,720
Speaker 1: was my gun that it went off, and I remember

1853
02:00:13,760 --> 02:00:17,280
Speaker 1: thinking in my head, you dumb s ob. You know

1854
02:00:17,360 --> 02:00:21,400
Speaker 1: you're so lucky you just didn't shoot yourself. I had

1855
02:00:21,440 --> 02:00:23,640
Speaker 1: a pair of my what I had on was near

1856
02:00:23,680 --> 02:00:27,440
Speaker 1: primum hip boots at the time. And then I realized

1857
02:00:27,840 --> 02:00:30,440
Speaker 1: right at the bend of my knee, and there was

1858
02:00:30,480 --> 02:00:32,240
Speaker 1: a hole in the waiters about as big as a

1859
02:00:32,320 --> 02:00:36,400
Speaker 1: beer can. Maybe there's blood trickling out of the waiters.

1860
02:00:36,960 --> 02:00:40,480
Speaker 1: And I remember thinking, you did shoot yourself. But I

1861
02:00:40,520 --> 02:00:44,000
Speaker 1: couldn't feel any pain whatsoever. So the first thing I thought,

1862
02:00:44,040 --> 02:00:46,400
Speaker 1: of all, it can't be too bad, but I better

1863
02:00:46,440 --> 02:00:48,680
Speaker 1: get out of this boat, because I figured I'd blown

1864
02:00:48,720 --> 02:00:51,800
Speaker 1: a hole in the boat. So I tried to stand up,

1865
02:00:52,560 --> 02:00:56,080
Speaker 1: and as soon as I put weight on on my

1866
02:00:56,200 --> 02:01:00,200
Speaker 1: bad leg, I flipped over the edge of the oat.

1867
02:01:01,320 --> 02:01:04,400
Speaker 1: My but HiT's the bottom of the of the creek

1868
02:01:04,760 --> 02:01:08,040
Speaker 1: and uh, I'm in about chest high deeper water and

1869
02:01:08,200 --> 02:01:11,240
Speaker 1: my right leg literally just floated up to the top

1870
02:01:11,320 --> 02:01:14,040
Speaker 1: of the creek. I remember and watching my leg kind

1871
02:01:14,080 --> 02:01:18,280
Speaker 1: of float back and forth in the current. I realized

1872
02:01:18,280 --> 02:01:21,480
Speaker 1: at that time I had screwed up pretty bad. My

1873
02:01:21,640 --> 02:01:24,880
Speaker 1: leg was at least busted I do. I remember telling

1874
02:01:24,960 --> 02:01:27,080
Speaker 1: my dog Lucy right there, I better make some good

1875
02:01:27,120 --> 02:01:29,680
Speaker 1: decisions from here out out, girl, I'm gonna be in trouble.

1876
02:01:31,080 --> 02:01:34,040
Speaker 1: I had three quarters of a mile back to my car.

1877
02:01:35,560 --> 02:01:38,280
Speaker 1: It was one option where I could go across, get

1878
02:01:38,320 --> 02:01:40,680
Speaker 1: back in the boat, attempt to get back in the boat,

1879
02:01:41,200 --> 02:01:45,040
Speaker 1: and go across the lake to my buddy's house. He

1880
02:01:45,200 --> 02:01:46,840
Speaker 1: was the third one that was supposed to show up

1881
02:01:46,920 --> 02:01:51,640
Speaker 1: hunting up order that didn't. Or I could go to uh.

1882
02:01:52,560 --> 02:01:55,200
Speaker 1: One side of the lake is a campground and there's

1883
02:01:55,240 --> 02:01:58,560
Speaker 1: year round hosts that stay at the campground. And I

1884
02:01:58,600 --> 02:02:02,760
Speaker 1: could actually see the big fluorescent light from the campground.

1885
02:02:03,640 --> 02:02:06,880
Speaker 1: It was closer than my car was. If I get

1886
02:02:07,000 --> 02:02:09,840
Speaker 1: back to the car. There's I didn't even think I

1887
02:02:09,960 --> 02:02:12,040
Speaker 1: was gonna be able to get into drive it with

1888
02:02:12,200 --> 02:02:15,600
Speaker 1: my right leg being busted up. So I make the

1889
02:02:15,680 --> 02:02:22,680
Speaker 1: decision two head to the campground. I start crawling across

1890
02:02:22,800 --> 02:02:27,160
Speaker 1: the the creek and it starts getting over my head immediately,

1891
02:02:28,040 --> 02:02:32,880
Speaker 1: so I I kind of swam dog paddled with my

1892
02:02:33,080 --> 02:02:35,120
Speaker 1: good leg in my arms and my other leg was

1893
02:02:35,240 --> 02:02:39,000
Speaker 1: just kind of dragging behind me. Crawl out the other side,

1894
02:02:40,200 --> 02:02:43,720
Speaker 1: and I realized I left my shotgun in the boat,

1895
02:02:45,240 --> 02:02:47,880
Speaker 1: and I was worried that someone was gonna steal my

1896
02:02:47,920 --> 02:02:50,720
Speaker 1: gun if I left it in the boat. So my

1897
02:02:50,880 --> 02:02:55,160
Speaker 1: dumbmass crawled back across the creek hold the gun out.

1898
02:02:56,120 --> 02:03:00,160
Speaker 1: I remember putting the gun but in the mud and

1899
02:03:00,360 --> 02:03:03,600
Speaker 1: helping myself out of the creek with the gun butt.

1900
02:03:04,640 --> 02:03:06,520
Speaker 1: That's what it dawned on me, I should probably should

1901
02:03:06,760 --> 02:03:09,400
Speaker 1: unload the gun all the way where I was going

1902
02:03:09,440 --> 02:03:14,080
Speaker 1: to shoot myself a second time. I jacked a couple

1903
02:03:14,200 --> 02:03:17,560
Speaker 1: more times, made sure the gun was empty, drugged myself

1904
02:03:17,640 --> 02:03:20,440
Speaker 1: out of the other side of the creek, and there

1905
02:03:20,520 --> 02:03:23,040
Speaker 1: I remember looking back at the creek and they're being

1906
02:03:23,360 --> 02:03:28,160
Speaker 1: blood on both sides of the creek. Just a trail

1907
02:03:28,240 --> 02:03:29,920
Speaker 1: of it heading out to the lake. It was going

1908
02:03:30,000 --> 02:03:32,920
Speaker 1: down to the current, and I was thinking, damn you

1909
02:03:32,960 --> 02:03:37,600
Speaker 1: other losing quite a bit of blood already. I knew

1910
02:03:37,640 --> 02:03:40,320
Speaker 1: I hadn't hit an army or anything bad. It wasn't

1911
02:03:40,480 --> 02:03:44,040
Speaker 1: it wasn't spurting out, but I could see this little

1912
02:03:44,080 --> 02:03:47,200
Speaker 1: hole filling up and draded and filling up and draded

1913
02:03:48,280 --> 02:03:52,160
Speaker 1: right underneath the kneecap on the inside of the knee.

1914
02:03:53,640 --> 02:03:55,760
Speaker 1: By this time, my dog had swam across the creek

1915
02:03:55,840 --> 02:03:59,560
Speaker 1: and was right alongside me. I'm on my butt crawling.

1916
02:04:00,400 --> 02:04:05,080
Speaker 1: We're using my good leg to push me backwards. I'm

1917
02:04:05,200 --> 02:04:07,120
Speaker 1: looking at my leg the whole time and watching it

1918
02:04:07,240 --> 02:04:10,320
Speaker 1: fill up and drade, and I thought, tourniquet. I better

1919
02:04:10,360 --> 02:04:13,280
Speaker 1: get a tourniquet on it. I had my duck calls

1920
02:04:13,320 --> 02:04:17,240
Speaker 1: around my debt. I pulled those off and used the

1921
02:04:17,360 --> 02:04:20,080
Speaker 1: landard for my duck calls and tied my leg off.

1922
02:04:21,000 --> 02:04:22,640
Speaker 1: And I was thinking, I don't know if that's dowd

1923
02:04:22,640 --> 02:04:27,320
Speaker 1: any good or not. Start dragging myself again, just pushing

1924
02:04:27,360 --> 02:04:31,960
Speaker 1: myself on my butt, going backwards, crawling towards where I

1925
02:04:32,000 --> 02:04:35,480
Speaker 1: know this campground is, but the lake kind of loops

1926
02:04:35,520 --> 02:04:38,560
Speaker 1: around there, so I had to had to go around

1927
02:04:38,600 --> 02:04:45,040
Speaker 1: in the lake. Actually, it's pretty dense timber, gnarly brush

1928
02:04:45,160 --> 02:04:48,600
Speaker 1: that you just you can't hardly walk through or crawl through.

1929
02:04:49,960 --> 02:04:52,960
Speaker 1: I was probably two d yards away from my boat

1930
02:04:53,000 --> 02:04:56,160
Speaker 1: at this time, so it taken me forty five minutes

1931
02:04:56,240 --> 02:04:59,240
Speaker 1: or an hour to get that far, pushing myself with

1932
02:04:59,360 --> 02:05:03,440
Speaker 1: my good leg on my butt backwards and then picking

1933
02:05:03,520 --> 02:05:06,480
Speaker 1: up the gun and moving at five ft in front

1934
02:05:06,520 --> 02:05:10,680
Speaker 1: of me and crawling five more ft. I noticed my

1935
02:05:10,800 --> 02:05:15,080
Speaker 1: tourniquet it came off, so I took my belt off

1936
02:05:16,600 --> 02:05:21,800
Speaker 1: and tied it around my leg. I don't remember see

1937
02:05:21,920 --> 02:05:26,080
Speaker 1: it slowed down blood wise, I'm feeling paind some, but

1938
02:05:26,840 --> 02:05:30,440
Speaker 1: not like you would expect. So obviously I was in

1939
02:05:30,560 --> 02:05:34,640
Speaker 1: shock because my leg was literally just kind of flopping

1940
02:05:34,720 --> 02:05:39,440
Speaker 1: and dang wood. I'd hunted all around that lake, so

1941
02:05:39,560 --> 02:05:41,560
Speaker 1: I know if I get to that trail, I pretty

1942
02:05:41,640 --> 02:05:44,800
Speaker 1: much got a straight shot. I must have found an

1943
02:05:44,880 --> 02:05:47,560
Speaker 1: opening through it. I don't remember exactly how it worked,

1944
02:05:47,640 --> 02:05:52,360
Speaker 1: but I remember I crawled through the manzanita, up the

1945
02:05:52,400 --> 02:05:56,440
Speaker 1: little embanquet to the trail, and probably been an hour

1946
02:05:56,560 --> 02:06:00,120
Speaker 1: since I shot myself, and now I'm pretty beat. I

1947
02:06:00,240 --> 02:06:02,520
Speaker 1: remember I was gonna, I'm telling myself, I wanted to

1948
02:06:02,560 --> 02:06:05,800
Speaker 1: take a nap at that time. I lead up against

1949
02:06:05,840 --> 02:06:10,080
Speaker 1: a big pine tree and my dog just starts going nuts.

1950
02:06:11,640 --> 02:06:16,840
Speaker 1: She's just barking, going crazy, doing circles around me, and

1951
02:06:17,000 --> 02:06:19,520
Speaker 1: I remember yelling at her to shut up because I

1952
02:06:19,640 --> 02:06:22,320
Speaker 1: was trying to take a nap, and she just kept

1953
02:06:22,400 --> 02:06:26,120
Speaker 1: going nuts. I didn't realize it at the time, but

1954
02:06:26,360 --> 02:06:30,400
Speaker 1: she obviously was saving my life. Then as long as

1955
02:06:30,440 --> 02:06:35,480
Speaker 1: I'm crawled, she's okay. I stopped a second time, I

1956
02:06:35,560 --> 02:06:38,680
Speaker 1: don't know, maybe ten or fifteen minutes later. Again I

1957
02:06:38,840 --> 02:06:42,560
Speaker 1: was getting pretty tired, and again as soon as I stopped,

1958
02:06:42,760 --> 02:06:47,280
Speaker 1: she just starts going nuts and and going crazy. I

1959
02:06:47,360 --> 02:06:52,760
Speaker 1: remember thinking that I wasn't gonna make it. On the path.

1960
02:06:53,840 --> 02:06:57,000
Speaker 1: There was no tracks through the snow because I remember,

1961
02:06:57,000 --> 02:07:00,080
Speaker 1: they're just being a dust in the snow. So the

1962
02:07:00,160 --> 02:07:04,280
Speaker 1: campground hosts had not been out there lately. I didn't

1963
02:07:04,320 --> 02:07:07,600
Speaker 1: know if they were year around hosts or what. I

1964
02:07:07,680 --> 02:07:09,800
Speaker 1: really didn't know for sure if this place had a

1965
02:07:09,920 --> 02:07:13,200
Speaker 1: landline or not, but I knew the cabin was there,

1966
02:07:13,440 --> 02:07:17,800
Speaker 1: so that was my destination. I started crawling again. I

1967
02:07:17,800 --> 02:07:19,960
Speaker 1: remember thinking to my Dad, and I think I even

1968
02:07:20,000 --> 02:07:22,320
Speaker 1: said this out loud. It looks like I might be

1969
02:07:22,440 --> 02:07:24,760
Speaker 1: coming to join you a little sooner than we thought, Pops.

1970
02:07:26,680 --> 02:07:29,640
Speaker 1: I came to a couple of outbuildings at this time,

1971
02:07:29,720 --> 02:07:32,480
Speaker 1: and it was a big cook shock. For when they

1972
02:07:32,560 --> 02:07:36,320
Speaker 1: had huge campouts they did all the cooking. At this shock.

1973
02:07:37,640 --> 02:07:39,680
Speaker 1: They sat through a rock through the window of the

1974
02:07:39,760 --> 02:07:42,280
Speaker 1: cook house, and I assume I was trying to make

1975
02:07:42,280 --> 02:07:44,480
Speaker 1: an alarm go off or something. I really I don't

1976
02:07:44,520 --> 02:07:48,360
Speaker 1: remember a lot about that. It was probably an hour

1977
02:07:48,440 --> 02:07:50,760
Speaker 1: and a half after I'd shot myself. At this point,

1978
02:07:51,880 --> 02:07:54,880
Speaker 1: I didn't have my gun anymore. The realization came to

1979
02:07:55,000 --> 02:07:58,000
Speaker 1: me that I had left my gun somewhere, probably leading

1980
02:07:58,120 --> 02:07:59,960
Speaker 1: up against the tree when I was trying to take

1981
02:08:00,000 --> 02:08:03,600
Speaker 1: a nap. I wasn't making very good time, and I

1982
02:08:03,640 --> 02:08:06,720
Speaker 1: knew that. I knew I was probably pushing it and

1983
02:08:06,840 --> 02:08:08,720
Speaker 1: needed to get to this cabin and get some help.

1984
02:08:10,000 --> 02:08:12,880
Speaker 1: During the last I don't know, ten or fifteen minutes,

1985
02:08:12,960 --> 02:08:15,400
Speaker 1: and it dawned on me I should start whistling and

1986
02:08:15,440 --> 02:08:19,200
Speaker 1: maybe I could get somebody's attention. So every every couple

1987
02:08:19,240 --> 02:08:21,640
Speaker 1: of minutes, I would put my fingers to my mouth

1988
02:08:21,800 --> 02:08:28,480
Speaker 1: and and whistle. I could whistle pretty damn loud, and

1989
02:08:28,560 --> 02:08:31,440
Speaker 1: I would yell I need help if anybody could hear me,

1990
02:08:32,560 --> 02:08:38,720
Speaker 1: I need help. No response, so I I just kept crawling.

1991
02:08:39,560 --> 02:08:43,560
Speaker 1: I'd lost my tourniquet. The second tourniquet my belt that

1992
02:08:43,640 --> 02:08:46,760
Speaker 1: didn't have enough loops that tightened make it real tight

1993
02:08:46,840 --> 02:08:49,760
Speaker 1: all the way down around my leg. And apparently it

1994
02:08:49,840 --> 02:08:52,600
Speaker 1: had come off while I was dragging myself, because my

1995
02:08:52,720 --> 02:08:55,680
Speaker 1: pants and everything went around my ankles. At this point,

1996
02:08:55,760 --> 02:09:00,720
Speaker 1: I'm pretty much pushing myself bare butt down this creek.

1997
02:09:02,000 --> 02:09:04,520
Speaker 1: That's why I decided to make a crutch see if

1998
02:09:04,520 --> 02:09:07,360
Speaker 1: I could make a crutch and hop and that didn't

1999
02:09:07,400 --> 02:09:10,240
Speaker 1: work to crutch snapped. I hit the ground pretty hard.

2000
02:09:11,520 --> 02:09:14,680
Speaker 1: I remember camel crawling forward for a little bit at

2001
02:09:14,720 --> 02:09:17,960
Speaker 1: that time by my elbows and one knee, just dragging

2002
02:09:18,040 --> 02:09:21,240
Speaker 1: myself behind me. But that was just way too hard

2003
02:09:21,320 --> 02:09:25,640
Speaker 1: to do. I can see the cabin now actually was

2004
02:09:25,680 --> 02:09:30,400
Speaker 1: a house. There's like a three ft tall cyclone fence

2005
02:09:30,480 --> 02:09:34,480
Speaker 1: all the way around this house. I crawled down the

2006
02:09:34,600 --> 02:09:37,760
Speaker 1: fence towards the walkway going up to the house to

2007
02:09:37,880 --> 02:09:41,760
Speaker 1: the gate, and sure enough there's a paddleog. I remember

2008
02:09:41,840 --> 02:09:44,360
Speaker 1: that bumming me out in a couple of different ways.

2009
02:09:44,800 --> 02:09:47,240
Speaker 1: For one, I realized that meant more than likely there

2010
02:09:47,320 --> 02:09:50,400
Speaker 1: was nobody at the house. Secondly, it meant I was

2011
02:09:50,440 --> 02:09:54,880
Speaker 1: going to have to go over the fence. I remember

2012
02:09:54,920 --> 02:09:58,680
Speaker 1: whistling again right then, praying that there was somebody in

2013
02:09:58,760 --> 02:10:02,480
Speaker 1: the house that would hear me, even though I'm staring

2014
02:10:03,280 --> 02:10:06,960
Speaker 1: at a paddle lock on this front gate. No response.

2015
02:10:08,440 --> 02:10:11,400
Speaker 1: My dog can't jump the fence, so this is where

2016
02:10:11,400 --> 02:10:15,120
Speaker 1: I lose Lucy. She's she's on the outside of the

2017
02:10:15,200 --> 02:10:19,800
Speaker 1: cyclone fence. I stood on my good leg and went

2018
02:10:19,960 --> 02:10:23,720
Speaker 1: over the top of the little the cyclone fence, flopped

2019
02:10:23,760 --> 02:10:27,920
Speaker 1: on the ground, and at that point I remember being

2020
02:10:27,960 --> 02:10:31,000
Speaker 1: in a lot of pain. I remember hitting the ground

2021
02:10:31,040 --> 02:10:33,720
Speaker 1: on the other side and and really hurt, and I

2022
02:10:33,840 --> 02:10:37,280
Speaker 1: knew at that point I was really pushing the limits

2023
02:10:37,280 --> 02:10:38,520
Speaker 1: of whether I was going to make it out of

2024
02:10:38,560 --> 02:10:41,760
Speaker 1: this situation alive. And I remember shaking my head thinking

2025
02:10:41,800 --> 02:10:44,640
Speaker 1: how ironic this is gonna be that I'm gonna end

2026
02:10:44,720 --> 02:10:48,480
Speaker 1: up dying being being the safety guy I've always been

2027
02:10:48,600 --> 02:10:50,920
Speaker 1: with all my buddies, I'm gonna end up end up

2028
02:10:51,000 --> 02:10:55,080
Speaker 1: dying over the stupid gunshot. I remember thinking I just

2029
02:10:55,360 --> 02:10:57,720
Speaker 1: have too much life to live. I can't. I'm not

2030
02:10:57,920 --> 02:11:04,200
Speaker 1: giving up. I crawled up to the front porch and

2031
02:11:04,320 --> 02:11:06,680
Speaker 1: I'm still whistling, hoping there was somebody in the house.

2032
02:11:06,760 --> 02:11:09,200
Speaker 1: It's I didn't know what time it was, but I

2033
02:11:09,280 --> 02:11:11,320
Speaker 1: knew in my mind it was still early enough where

2034
02:11:11,360 --> 02:11:15,160
Speaker 1: these people might be sleeping. And I checked the check

2035
02:11:15,240 --> 02:11:17,920
Speaker 1: the front door to see if it was unlocked, and

2036
02:11:18,000 --> 02:11:22,000
Speaker 1: it wasn't. Pounded on the door and yelled a couple

2037
02:11:22,040 --> 02:11:25,480
Speaker 1: of times, I need help. They've got a big picture

2038
02:11:25,520 --> 02:11:29,480
Speaker 1: window into the living room, and I remember looking at

2039
02:11:29,560 --> 02:11:34,360
Speaker 1: that thinking I could probably go through that window. But

2040
02:11:34,560 --> 02:11:37,280
Speaker 1: the porch extended all the way along the front of

2041
02:11:37,320 --> 02:11:39,560
Speaker 1: the house, and there was another window at the other

2042
02:11:39,760 --> 02:11:43,120
Speaker 1: end of the porch going into the house, and I

2043
02:11:43,160 --> 02:11:47,280
Speaker 1: could see a telephone in the bedroom, and I remember thinking, okay,

2044
02:11:47,360 --> 02:11:51,960
Speaker 1: they definitely do have landline here. There was furniture, patio

2045
02:11:52,040 --> 02:11:55,480
Speaker 1: furniture on this front porch. I hop over and picked

2046
02:11:55,560 --> 02:11:58,800
Speaker 1: up one of the chairs, and on one leg, I

2047
02:11:59,120 --> 02:12:02,360
Speaker 1: spun around and put the chair through the window and

2048
02:12:02,440 --> 02:12:07,120
Speaker 1: shattered out the bedroom window. The bed in the bedroom

2049
02:12:07,240 --> 02:12:10,880
Speaker 1: was was close to the wall right there, and I

2050
02:12:10,960 --> 02:12:14,760
Speaker 1: remember flipping in backwards into the house, trying to land

2051
02:12:14,840 --> 02:12:19,080
Speaker 1: on the bed. What I did actually is missed the

2052
02:12:19,160 --> 02:12:22,360
Speaker 1: bed and fell right down in about a ten or

2053
02:12:22,400 --> 02:12:24,840
Speaker 1: twelve intes crack in between the bed and the wall.

2054
02:12:26,160 --> 02:12:30,680
Speaker 1: At that point I remember a lot of pain. You

2055
02:12:30,760 --> 02:12:32,960
Speaker 1: might say I was old man then, because every little

2056
02:12:32,960 --> 02:12:34,680
Speaker 1: bit of it came out of me. I remember screaming.

2057
02:12:34,760 --> 02:12:36,760
Speaker 1: At that point, I was in a lot of pain.

2058
02:12:38,360 --> 02:12:42,120
Speaker 1: I crawled around the bed, got up on the chair

2059
02:12:42,320 --> 02:12:46,600
Speaker 1: that had the wheels on it, rolled over to the telephone,

2060
02:12:46,720 --> 02:12:50,480
Speaker 1: picked up the phone and it was dead. No dial toad.

2061
02:12:52,280 --> 02:12:55,200
Speaker 1: A lot of people up there have summer homes, so

2062
02:12:55,600 --> 02:12:59,640
Speaker 1: they take off and leave for the winter months, shut

2063
02:12:59,680 --> 02:13:02,360
Speaker 1: the water off, shut the power off, and shut their

2064
02:13:02,400 --> 02:13:06,600
Speaker 1: phones off. And I assume that's what had happened. There

2065
02:13:06,720 --> 02:13:10,040
Speaker 1: was a computer on the desk and they say I

2066
02:13:10,240 --> 02:13:12,920
Speaker 1: punched in a help me. I had no I never

2067
02:13:13,080 --> 02:13:14,960
Speaker 1: used a computer before in my life at that time.

2068
02:13:15,840 --> 02:13:19,360
Speaker 1: But they said I used the keypad and punched in help.

2069
02:13:19,480 --> 02:13:23,040
Speaker 1: I need help. A few times, I figured I was

2070
02:13:23,080 --> 02:13:24,920
Speaker 1: a dead man for sure. At that point. There's no

2071
02:13:25,160 --> 02:13:28,880
Speaker 1: dial tone on the telephone. There was a note paper

2072
02:13:29,560 --> 02:13:32,000
Speaker 1: on the on the desk there. I was going to

2073
02:13:32,080 --> 02:13:34,600
Speaker 1: write a note basically at that point to let my

2074
02:13:34,720 --> 02:13:39,200
Speaker 1: mom know what happened. I was real close to my mother. Um.

2075
02:13:39,520 --> 02:13:41,080
Speaker 1: I was a baby in the family. I have older

2076
02:13:41,120 --> 02:13:44,080
Speaker 1: brother and older sister, and I was quite the moment's boy,

2077
02:13:45,400 --> 02:13:47,680
Speaker 1: and I was ever thinking it's just gonna devastate her.

2078
02:13:49,680 --> 02:13:51,000
Speaker 1: So I was gonna write out a note and let

2079
02:13:51,080 --> 02:13:55,800
Speaker 1: mom know what happened. Earlier in the crawl quite a bit,

2080
02:13:55,840 --> 02:13:58,200
Speaker 1: I remember thinking, God, I'm thirsty. I wish I had

2081
02:13:58,240 --> 02:14:01,320
Speaker 1: something to drink. So at that point I thought, well,

2082
02:14:02,040 --> 02:14:04,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna check refrigerator and see what they got to

2083
02:14:04,240 --> 02:14:06,800
Speaker 1: think to drink. I said, I've always been a beer drinker,

2084
02:14:06,840 --> 02:14:08,800
Speaker 1: and quite frankly, I think I'm gonna go out with

2085
02:14:08,840 --> 02:14:10,320
Speaker 1: the beer. See, I'm gonna see if they've got a

2086
02:14:10,320 --> 02:14:13,720
Speaker 1: beer and refrigerator. So I didn't write the note yet.

2087
02:14:14,560 --> 02:14:16,400
Speaker 1: I'm on the chair with the wheels behind it, so

2088
02:14:16,440 --> 02:14:18,920
Speaker 1: I'm able to push myself with my one leg out

2089
02:14:18,960 --> 02:14:22,120
Speaker 1: of the bedroom, and I was using the walls to

2090
02:14:22,200 --> 02:14:25,000
Speaker 1: push myself out of the hallway, and I remember there

2091
02:14:25,800 --> 02:14:27,920
Speaker 1: looked like they were in a bunch of kindygardeners admitted

2092
02:14:27,960 --> 02:14:32,120
Speaker 1: their hand painting because there was blood head handprints on

2093
02:14:32,240 --> 02:14:34,520
Speaker 1: all their walls from my hands when I was pushing

2094
02:14:34,560 --> 02:14:39,280
Speaker 1: myself through. So I pushed myself around the little wall

2095
02:14:39,440 --> 02:14:42,880
Speaker 1: into the kitchen, and right next to the refrigerator there's

2096
02:14:42,920 --> 02:14:47,680
Speaker 1: another telephone. It's blinking oh one, like there's a message

2097
02:14:47,680 --> 02:14:51,080
Speaker 1: on the telephone. And I told myself, don't get your

2098
02:14:51,120 --> 02:14:53,720
Speaker 1: hopes up. The other phone is dead. There's there's no

2099
02:14:53,800 --> 02:14:55,640
Speaker 1: way there's gonna be a dial tone on this phone.

2100
02:14:57,000 --> 02:15:01,160
Speaker 1: So I popped refrigerator open. There was an beers unfortunately,

2101
02:15:02,000 --> 02:15:05,680
Speaker 1: but they say I ate a banana and drank a

2102
02:15:05,800 --> 02:15:08,240
Speaker 1: V eight, which I don't. I don't remember doing either

2103
02:15:08,280 --> 02:15:11,560
Speaker 1: one of those things. And the time I'm staring at

2104
02:15:11,560 --> 02:15:14,960
Speaker 1: the phone, going you've You've got to check it. I

2105
02:15:15,040 --> 02:15:17,240
Speaker 1: grabbed the phone, put it up to my ear and

2106
02:15:17,400 --> 02:15:20,200
Speaker 1: went damn, and hung it up, and I was like,

2107
02:15:20,320 --> 02:15:22,360
Speaker 1: wait a minute, and I picked it up again, and

2108
02:15:22,440 --> 02:15:25,480
Speaker 1: there was a dial tone. I remember even putting my

2109
02:15:25,600 --> 02:15:28,400
Speaker 1: finger up and and clicking the button a couple of times,

2110
02:15:29,280 --> 02:15:31,760
Speaker 1: just so I wasn't, you know, making stuff up in

2111
02:15:31,840 --> 02:15:34,040
Speaker 1: my mind. At this point, there really was a dial tone,

2112
02:15:34,440 --> 02:15:36,240
Speaker 1: and I couldn't figure out why there wouldn't be a

2113
02:15:36,320 --> 02:15:38,520
Speaker 1: dial tone on one phone, and there would on another one,

2114
02:15:39,400 --> 02:15:41,840
Speaker 1: but I thought, you better quit thinking and and make

2115
02:15:41,920 --> 02:15:45,160
Speaker 1: a damn call, because at this point there's not a

2116
02:15:45,240 --> 02:15:47,880
Speaker 1: lot of blood coming out of my leg, and I

2117
02:15:47,960 --> 02:15:51,320
Speaker 1: knew it wasn't good, and obviously it was because I

2118
02:15:51,360 --> 02:15:54,320
Speaker 1: had lost most of my blood at that time. I

2119
02:15:54,440 --> 02:15:58,320
Speaker 1: remember the emergency operator coming on and she's as the

2120
02:15:58,360 --> 02:16:01,480
Speaker 1: regular routine, what is what is your medical emergency or

2121
02:16:01,520 --> 02:16:04,680
Speaker 1: whatever she said, and I told her I shot myself.

2122
02:16:06,360 --> 02:16:10,000
Speaker 1: I remember unlocking the dead bolt and opening the door,

2123
02:16:10,680 --> 02:16:12,400
Speaker 1: and you could see how I could see out the

2124
02:16:12,480 --> 02:16:17,040
Speaker 1: front door down the driveway to where they had a

2125
02:16:18,200 --> 02:16:22,560
Speaker 1: a big gate out front that was locked up. First

2126
02:16:22,640 --> 02:16:26,240
Speaker 1: ambulance pulls in and uh, it stops at the gate,

2127
02:16:27,640 --> 02:16:29,960
Speaker 1: and then another ambulance pulls right in behind it, and

2128
02:16:30,080 --> 02:16:32,840
Speaker 1: they're both at the gate, and I'm sitting in this

2129
02:16:33,080 --> 02:16:36,199
Speaker 1: chair and I'm like, okay, they're they're at the right spot.

2130
02:16:36,280 --> 02:16:40,000
Speaker 1: Send them in. One renounced to me at the time,

2131
02:16:40,879 --> 02:16:45,600
Speaker 1: anytime there's a gun involved accident, the sheriffs have to

2132
02:16:45,680 --> 02:16:49,240
Speaker 1: be the first one on the sea. So you know,

2133
02:16:49,480 --> 02:16:51,440
Speaker 1: I had no idea about that at this time, and

2134
02:16:51,520 --> 02:16:53,840
Speaker 1: I couldn't figure out why the ambulances weren't coming in.

2135
02:16:55,280 --> 02:16:57,400
Speaker 1: It was hard for me to stay conscious at this time.

2136
02:16:57,600 --> 02:17:02,080
Speaker 1: I remember not in quite an it just barely being

2137
02:17:02,120 --> 02:17:07,000
Speaker 1: able to stay awake. And then I saw the second ambulance.

2138
02:17:07,320 --> 02:17:12,320
Speaker 1: The passenger door opens up and I see the passenger

2139
02:17:12,400 --> 02:17:15,680
Speaker 1: get out of the second ambulance goes by the first

2140
02:17:15,800 --> 02:17:20,240
Speaker 1: ambulance and swings opened the gate and came in and

2141
02:17:20,280 --> 02:17:22,920
Speaker 1: shot down the driveway, and I remember thinking, wow, it's

2142
02:17:22,920 --> 02:17:26,560
Speaker 1: a bad time for an ambulance to break down. They

2143
02:17:26,640 --> 02:17:30,800
Speaker 1: wheeled me out, started getting fluids into me. I hear

2144
02:17:30,800 --> 02:17:32,760
Speaker 1: a couple of wor cars pull up outside that and

2145
02:17:32,879 --> 02:17:35,800
Speaker 1: the sheriffs had pulled up and out. I remember them

2146
02:17:36,240 --> 02:17:39,120
Speaker 1: put me in the back of the ambulance, and I

2147
02:17:39,160 --> 02:17:41,000
Speaker 1: remember telling the sheriff, hey, I don't know where my

2148
02:17:41,080 --> 02:17:44,640
Speaker 1: dog is right now, but somebody needs to find her

2149
02:17:44,640 --> 02:17:48,360
Speaker 1: because that dogs saved my life, There's no doubt. The

2150
02:17:48,480 --> 02:17:52,200
Speaker 1: ambulance doors closed. I remember the bigging a banger or

2151
02:17:52,280 --> 02:17:54,160
Speaker 1: the back door or something, and one of the sheriff's

2152
02:17:54,200 --> 02:17:57,640
Speaker 1: opened up the back door and told me he Dominic's

2153
02:17:57,640 --> 02:18:01,000
Speaker 1: here and he's got your dog. When the nine one

2154
02:18:01,080 --> 02:18:03,360
Speaker 1: one call went out, another friend of mine over the

2155
02:18:03,520 --> 02:18:07,360
Speaker 1: scanner had heard the nine one one call, had heard

2156
02:18:07,440 --> 02:18:11,440
Speaker 1: my name and called my house. I told my mom,

2157
02:18:12,640 --> 02:18:14,560
Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on, but Vince was shot.

2158
02:18:17,000 --> 02:18:18,960
Speaker 1: My mom knew Dominic was supposed to be hunt with

2159
02:18:19,040 --> 02:18:22,920
Speaker 1: me that morning, so she called Dominic. When he answered

2160
02:18:22,959 --> 02:18:24,280
Speaker 1: the phone, she said, I don't know what the hell

2161
02:18:24,400 --> 02:18:26,840
Speaker 1: is going on, but Vince has been shot. You need

2162
02:18:26,920 --> 02:18:30,320
Speaker 1: to get to the lake. The next time I remember

2163
02:18:30,360 --> 02:18:34,640
Speaker 1: waking up was in the in the recovery room. My

2164
02:18:34,800 --> 02:18:38,080
Speaker 1: son was standing over the top of me. I had

2165
02:18:38,120 --> 02:18:43,039
Speaker 1: a sheet pulled up to my waist and he could

2166
02:18:43,080 --> 02:18:46,080
Speaker 1: see I had both my feet there, and he says, uh,

2167
02:18:47,400 --> 02:18:50,880
Speaker 1: you still want both your legs. He said, yeah. They

2168
02:18:50,920 --> 02:18:54,160
Speaker 1: made me sign a waiver awhile back that said they

2169
02:18:54,200 --> 02:18:56,040
Speaker 1: can take your leg if they needed to to save

2170
02:18:56,080 --> 02:19:00,320
Speaker 1: your life. I remember telling him, boy, you are damn

2171
02:19:00,480 --> 02:19:03,280
Speaker 1: lucky they did not take my leg, because I'd have

2172
02:19:03,320 --> 02:19:07,600
Speaker 1: been would piste off guy at you. The first X rays,

2173
02:19:07,680 --> 02:19:11,600
Speaker 1: I saw that they took um the plastic wad and

2174
02:19:11,959 --> 02:19:15,039
Speaker 1: every baby from that shotgun shell was under my kneecap.

2175
02:19:16,400 --> 02:19:19,440
Speaker 1: They drilled a hole in my fever and put a

2176
02:19:19,480 --> 02:19:23,920
Speaker 1: pin in it and attached my knee to that. Thirteen

2177
02:19:23,959 --> 02:19:27,640
Speaker 1: surgeries clean out trying to get pellets and everything out

2178
02:19:27,680 --> 02:19:32,920
Speaker 1: of my leg dominic. He came in to see me

2179
02:19:33,520 --> 02:19:36,920
Speaker 1: and uh he said, Hey, I already cleared it with

2180
02:19:36,959 --> 02:19:42,520
Speaker 1: the nurses. Let's go for a walk. And uh uh

2181
02:19:43,320 --> 02:19:46,640
Speaker 1: he had brought Lucy with him, so I got to

2182
02:19:46,680 --> 02:19:50,680
Speaker 1: throw a few sticks for I vowed then that I

2183
02:19:50,720 --> 02:19:55,960
Speaker 1: would never have another dog not named Lucy, my third

2184
02:19:56,040 --> 02:20:00,760
Speaker 1: dog since her, she's named Lucy three, and I will

2185
02:20:00,879 --> 02:20:04,879
Speaker 1: not have another dog that's that's not daved after that girl.

2186
02:20:04,959 --> 02:20:09,280
Speaker 1: There's no doubt she She definitely saved my life that day.

2187
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