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Speaker 1: Good morning, Peepsen, and welcome to f Daily with Meet

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Speaker 1: your Girl Danielle Moody. Pre recording from the home Bunker. Folks,

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Speaker 1: it is our holiday rest week here on wok F

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Speaker 1: and as we wind down the last seven years, I'm

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Speaker 1: revisiting some of the episodes that I think still bear

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Speaker 1: true today as we are just weeks away from Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump taking his second oath to uphold the Constitution, which

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Speaker 1: we know that he is not going to. On top

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Speaker 1: of Donald Trump's list, however, has been to defund the

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Speaker 1: Department of Education, the Department of Education that brings curriculum

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Speaker 1: to millions of children across this country. And so it

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Speaker 1: was fitting that one of the last conversations that we

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Speaker 1: revisit is that of the hateful indoctrination of White children

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Speaker 1: with Randy Weingarten, who is the president of the American

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Speaker 1: Federation of Teachers, who has visited wokay at a number

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Speaker 1: of times over the years to give us a window

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Speaker 1: into what is happening in America's public education system and

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Speaker 1: what we need to pay attention to. And at a

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Speaker 1: time when books are being banned and curriculums are being banned,

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Speaker 1: and teachers are being fired, and libraries are being ransacked.

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Speaker 1: Randy Weingarten talks about how we continue to perpetuate hateful

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Speaker 1: stereotypes and white supremacy inside of our classrooms. Take a listen, folks.

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Speaker 1: I am very happy to welcome back to wok Afi

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Speaker 1: Daily the President of the American Federation of Teachers, Randy Weingarten,

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Speaker 1: as we began another school year here in America. Randy,

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Speaker 1: it was just the sixtieth anniversary of the March on Washington,

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Speaker 1: and you wrote a piece reflecting on your speech and

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Speaker 1: your time in Washington, d C. Honoring this really important

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Speaker 1: march and day in our nation's history. Just give us

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Speaker 1: an idea of your mood and your feelings while you

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Speaker 1: were there. At the backdrop of it, you know, there

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Speaker 1: was a shooting that took place in Jacksonville, Florida, at

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Speaker 1: the hands of a white supremacist that took the lives

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Speaker 1: of three black patrons and workers at a general store.

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Speaker 2: It was so Look. First off, Daniel, I'm glad to

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Speaker 2: be with you, and I'm glad that you do this podcast,

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Speaker 2: and I'm glad that you call it what you call

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Speaker 2: it in terms of taking back the word woke.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: I'm a history teacher. I'm also you know, a union president.

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Speaker 2: You think back to what happened in sixty three in

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Speaker 2: the march and then the backlash after the march, and

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Speaker 2: think about what happened after the Obama presidency and the

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Speaker 2: backlash after that. Think about what happened after Brown versus

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Speaker 2: we're seeing is that the enabling, the normalizing, and the

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Speaker 2: enabling of hate, combined with ready access to guns, particularly

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Speaker 2: calling it out is really important. Understanding what's going on

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Speaker 2: is really important. But the but just like those kids

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Speaker 2: in Jacksonville, how many years ago, after that Saturday of

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Speaker 2: Fear that was created, you know, after they tried to

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Speaker 2: integrate lunch counters and the KKK created that Saturday of

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Speaker 2: Fear of the uh Anville fear or March or whatever

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Speaker 2: won the kids one they integrated lunch counters. This was

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Speaker 2: a commemoration. This was a continuation, not a commemoration, because

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Speaker 2: there's so much at stake right now and people are

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Speaker 2: awakening to what is at stake. What happened in Jacksonville

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Speaker 2: is a heenous crime of a white supremacist murderer, just

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Speaker 2: like what happened in Buffalo was a heenous crime of

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Speaker 2: a white supremacist murderer. What those supremacists want, what people

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Speaker 2: who enable them want, is to bully and silence the

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Speaker 2: rest of us who are fighting for freedom and dignity

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Speaker 2: and basic humanity for all, particularly those who have been

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Speaker 2: discribed against quality and freedom. So I would say that

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Speaker 2: we have to hold the families as tight as we

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Speaker 2: all at the same time. And yes, that fight includes

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Speaker 2: again with courage. But that fight is also the fight

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Speaker 2: for freedom and the fight against fear, the fight for

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Speaker 2: aspiration and the fight against despair, the fight for solutions

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Speaker 2: both at the same time. And so I'm not I

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Speaker 2: was devastating and horrible to hear what happened in Jacksonville

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Speaker 1: You know, I want to ask you, both as the

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Speaker 2: So I think what I think you know the answer

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Speaker 2: by the way in which you frame the question, which

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Speaker 2: is that you know it's terrible, and people are and

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Speaker 2: what it's not doing is it's not crushing the spirit

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Speaker 2: And this is spoiler alert because I feel pretty optimistic

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Speaker 2: didn't have for a while, just like the red for

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Speaker 2: ed movement around wages a few years ago and conditions.

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Speaker 2: Teachers want what kids need and they know that this

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Speaker 2: and they take and they are really pissed about it.

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Speaker 2: And the people who and and and it doesn't it

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Speaker 2: crosses ideological grounds or or ideal or or ideological lines,

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Speaker 2: I guess I should say so. In the Panhandle, for example,

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Speaker 2: in Florida, the teachers that had to put tarps across

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Speaker 2: voters for DeSantis. And they were like, what are you doing.

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Speaker 2: This is my library in my classroom that I was

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Speaker 2: five or ten years. All of a suddenly you're banning them.

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Speaker 2: Why So, what we're seeing in terms of teachers and

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Speaker 2: well funded group of people who are trying to ban

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Speaker 2: books and erase history. And look, I'm not saying that

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Speaker 2: And so that's why for us, we have handed out

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Speaker 2: working with first book, we're working with others. So think

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Speaker 2: about the power of a teacher's union working with its members,

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Speaker 2: having these family events all throughout America trying to ban books.

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Speaker 2: We are distributing books that have diverse titles that kids

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Speaker 2: that this has gotten me in the crosshairs of the

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Speaker 2: right wing. I think this is what triggered them. Two

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Speaker 2: years ago, we said to our members, if you teach

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Speaker 2: with authentic sources, we're going to expand our our legal

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Speaker 2: going to make sure you are not alone. So you

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Speaker 2: to teachers or to librarians who are alone is don't

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Speaker 2: Right, Okay, it's crazy right to.

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Speaker 1: Keep windows closed. Kids don't get fresh air all day

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Speaker 2: Look, it's completely surreal because what's happening is instead of

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Speaker 2: like during COVID, bars and restaurants were more important than

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Speaker 2: opening schools. I love when the extremists start telling me

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Speaker 2: we and I'm really glad Mehdi Hassan just did this.

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Speaker 2: He debunked a lot of the myths. Kids got COVID,

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Speaker 2: But we from April twenty twenty, we're the first ones

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Speaker 1: I tell you, Randy, every time that I speak to you,

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Speaker 1: I say that you're doing the Lord's work and I

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Speaker 1: appreciate your leadership and your voice every time that we

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Speaker 1: time to join wok F.

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Speaker 2: I'm back at you. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: That is it for me today, dear friends on wok

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Speaker 1: F as always power to the people and to all

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Speaker 1: the people. Power yet woke and stay woke as fuck.