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Speaker 1: Oh, welcome back to it could happen here a podcast
Speaker 1: about it happening here, which is really true in a
Speaker 1: lot of ways. Tonight, Harrison Davis and I are seated
Speaker 1: at the glorious majestical hotel name redacted on the Las
Speaker 1: Vegas Strip. We got a long day at CEES Monday,
Speaker 1: listening to panels, catching up with the latest tech news,
Speaker 1: trying gadgets, and also at the same time texting our
Speaker 1: dear friends in Los Angeles as unprecedented fires sweep them
Speaker 1: from their homes. Literally the gettiest threatened Pasadena and Santa
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Speaker 1: one to two punch of America's favorite tech show in
Speaker 1: the apocalypse today. How are you feeling, Garret?
Speaker 3: It's an average day in America, average.
Speaker 1: Day in America. Temperature's not coming down anytime soon. No, no, well,
Speaker 1: just take a moment to breathe with that. So you
Speaker 1: want to start us off with what you did this morning?
Speaker 1: I was paneled guy, yesterday. There was a man of
Speaker 1: action walking around and mostly trying all the free massage chairs.
Speaker 1: What did you see this morning?
Speaker 3: I saw so many AI panels, half of which I
Speaker 3: left halfway through because I knew they weren't gonna be
Speaker 3: useful for me, just dogshity. The other half I took
Speaker 3: notes on and just got sad. But No. Today was
Speaker 3: full panel starting bright and early in the morning, where
Speaker 3: I walked into a panel where I heard augmentation and
Speaker 3: not replacement about twenty times in the span of like
Speaker 3: twenty minutes.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I keep hearing versions of that too. In the
Speaker 1: Hollywood panels, they would be like, you know, we want
Speaker 1: to develop a machine that can read the brains of
Speaker 1: our viewers and alter the endings of movies, you know,
Speaker 1: but we see this as a way of augmenting the
Speaker 1: artists work.
Speaker 3: Yes. And the biggest thing that I noticed across multiple
Speaker 3: panels today is an almost like anxiety among these tech
Speaker 3: executives about consumers rejecting the AI slopification of everything, and
Speaker 3: they're trying to find ways to like actually force people
Speaker 3: to start like using these products or having them like
Speaker 3: like it. Yeah, And I haven't really sense that anxiety before.
Speaker 3: It's it's all. It's all been very very positively, and
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 1: It's a mix of Number One, the money still isn't
Speaker 1: there where they need it to be. It has not
Speaker 1: started like blooming to the extent that they were expecting
Speaker 1: it by now. And the other part is people are
Speaker 1: still not happy with this stuff. I'm glad you felt
Speaker 1: that too, because that almost was like, especially after the election,
Speaker 1: like I don't trust my feelings on this that they're
Speaker 1: really scared, But I really do think there's a piece
Speaker 1: of that coming through.
Speaker 3: No of a phrase one of the panelists used this
Speaker 3: morning was the AI ick, like like how do we
Speaker 3: how do we beat the AI ick? And if you
Speaker 3: ever said yourself, how do I stop having people feel
Speaker 3: an ick around me? Maybe you should really look inwards. Yeah,
Speaker 3: maybe the problems you not them.
Speaker 1: You know, who doesn't need to worry about quote unquote
Speaker 1: I for their product market is people who make things
Speaker 1: that people like.
Speaker 3: So but I heard a lot about you know, and
Speaker 3: trying to get people to use these products is like
Speaker 3: making sure artists don't feel like they're being replaced instead
Speaker 3: having their like art production process be augmented with AI
Speaker 3: and how how that can make art easier to make
Speaker 3: while still keeping the human at the center of AI tools.
Speaker 3: And this is just what they talked about for like
Speaker 3: a while, while reiterating that lots of the developments they
Speaker 3: need to see on AI, they have it on the
Speaker 3: tech side, what they need to rely on is consumer
Speaker 3: acceptance to really drive the innovation, to see like what
Speaker 3: they can get away with, Like how much will the
Speaker 3: consumer accept the sophification of art and entertainment and customer
Speaker 3: service and all these things are trying to cram AI
Speaker 3: into and like.
Speaker 1: How much worse can you make the world before people
Speaker 1: stand up and stop you with their fists or guns.
Speaker 3: And you mentioned something about like trying to like tailor
Speaker 3: like movie endings for specific people, and i' I heard
Speaker 3: them stuff about that. There's this one guy who was
Speaker 3: who was like the panel's resident like content creator who's
Speaker 3: supposed to represent like the artist block, even though he's like, eh, yeah,
Speaker 3: you know some kind of like AI friendly content creator
Speaker 3: though on this panel, and he talked about how like
Speaker 3: back in the day, you need to have friends that
Speaker 3: would like recommend you music, and like the Spotify algorithm
Speaker 3: is is too based on like an echo chamber what
Speaker 3: you already like, but now with a gentic AI this
Speaker 3: allows trust between the consumer and the machine to recommend
Speaker 3: new music. And like again, like so much of these
Speaker 3: AIR products is just trying to like replace friendship.
Speaker 1: Yeah, people, have you tried friends have you tried people?
Speaker 3: How can you engage with like art and culture without friends,
Speaker 3: Like how can you like learn more about like what
Speaker 3: your friends are into what they like? How can you
Speaker 3: discover new music just like without that instead replacing that
Speaker 3: beautifully human process.
Speaker 1: Every year at cees, there are points in time where
Speaker 1: I get that, like, oh yeah, twenty twenty really fucked
Speaker 1: us up a lot, Like twenty twenty really did some
Speaker 1: lasting damage. Like I know it was that was happening
Speaker 1: with the younger generation before the iPad kid generation, but
Speaker 1: like that that really did a number on some folks.
Speaker 3: Someone from Meta right of Facebook specifically they're like metaverse division,
Speaker 3: which they're still trying to push for by.
Speaker 1: The way, Oh yeah, now, I mean they're still calling
Speaker 1: it meta, which honestly, there's a degree which I almost
Speaker 1: respect it because like we are not biting no.
Speaker 3: One, No one is. But she talked about how how
Speaker 3: they can like blend the metaverse and AI to make
Speaker 3: customized personal experiences. Say that you're watching an immersive live
Speaker 3: concert in the mixed reality something that both me and
Speaker 3: Aubert do all the time, and.
Speaker 1: Hairy styles mixed reality concerts. We're seeing the hundred gets, you.
Speaker 3: Know, honestly, a one hundred x mixed reality concert could
Speaker 3: go crazy.
Speaker 1: Here We'll finally I'll finally get you pilled on real
Speaker 1: big fish.
Speaker 3: But basically, as you're in this like metaverse concert, they
Speaker 3: can have an AI that will sense your own excitement
Speaker 3: and personalize the ending of the experience based on your
Speaker 3: favorite songs or artists. So as they're getting excited from
Speaker 3: like AI, Taylor Swift can like finish the song like
Speaker 3: for you based on like your own like musical taste,
Speaker 3: based on what the AI knows about you. And it's
Speaker 3: about creating these customized experiences.
Speaker 1: It's such a you can clearly tell that none of
Speaker 1: these people have souls, right, It's such a mismatch of
Speaker 1: what people get from music because they think that like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is just like a if I see that like
Speaker 1: this specific beat line is I can just sort of
Speaker 1: like plug this in and like, I don't know, Like
Speaker 1: what makes people react to musicians and artists is that
Speaker 1: they like make things that make them feel something like
Speaker 1: That's why people get like really into artists, is they
Speaker 1: feel seen and identify with a piece of art, as
Speaker 1: opposed to like, oh, oh that guy really like the
Speaker 1: first opening bars to fucking octopus's garden, Like let's let's
Speaker 1: just like really turn up the octopus a lot more octopuses.
Speaker 1: How many more octopuses can we fit in this fucking
Speaker 1: in this track?
Speaker 3: No. Another panel I went to later in the day
Speaker 3: was about like how do you market to gen z?
Speaker 3: Very funny panel. Yeah, and and they're talking about how
Speaker 3: like authenticity is so important, like you need to partner
Speaker 3: with influencers that have like have like an authentic brand.
Speaker 3: And it's funny having that ductionapost with like these like
Speaker 3: these like AI slot panels were like you need like
Speaker 3: an AI Taylor Swift to come like boost the excitement
Speaker 3: for all these kids who are in their metaverse concerts.
Speaker 3: Oh boy, But no, like personalized content like like targeting
Speaker 3: like AI AI generated content specifically for certain people, for
Speaker 3: certain users, whether it's on social media, whether that's on
Speaker 3: you know, the metaverse. Like some of these people talk
Speaker 3: about someone on the panel from Adobe, who's you know,
Speaker 3: Adobe's integrating a whole bunch of generative AI into their
Speaker 3: like suite of products, right, like a Photoshop premiere after effects, right,
Speaker 3: big big company in the creative space. He said, They're
Speaker 3: like personalized content is always the most impactful, like content
Speaker 3: that a person feels like a genuine connection to, and
Speaker 3: that connection could be fted by just being like, you know,
Speaker 3: a compelling artist where you can recognize shared experiences of
Speaker 3: shared experiences of humanity. But now you don't need that
Speaker 3: artist part anymore. He said, they only need three parts
Speaker 3: to create a pipeline. You need data, you need compelling
Speaker 3: like journeys to take the user on, and you need
Speaker 3: the content itself. And the goal is to create content
Speaker 3: at scale that's highly personalized. He said quotes. We're good
Speaker 3: at the first two parts. Now we just need to
Speaker 3: improve the actual content side, which I don't even think
Speaker 3: that's true. I don't think AI is good at creating
Speaker 3: compelling human journeys.
Speaker 1: I had it. So the video I didn't play you
Speaker 1: guys from my terrible fucking AI generated videos was this.
Speaker 1: It was like a girl coming to college. We need
Speaker 1: a picture of her dad, and it was like a
Speaker 1: narration of her life with her father who like is
Speaker 1: dead that she misses and all that she learned from him.
Speaker 1: Data and it like it's a mix of like all
Speaker 1: these different like there's a chunk where it looks like
Speaker 1: a Disney animated picture. There's a chunk where it looks
Speaker 1: like anime. She and her dad having these like adventures
Speaker 1: around the world is a bit of looks like a
Speaker 1: Marvel movie. And he's like, we can do all these
Speaker 1: different you know, animation styles and they're seamless and like,
Speaker 1: you know, the audience really goes on a journey with this.
Speaker 1: And it's like, but there's there was no girl who
Speaker 1: lost your dad. Nobody lost their dad here. This is
Speaker 1: you just had a computer generate text about a dad dying.
Speaker 1: Like there's nothing underpinning this, right, nobody has anything they're
Speaker 1: trying to get across, Like you just know, in this one,
Speaker 1: they look like Marvel heroes for some reason. In this
Speaker 1: one they look like Zulu warriors, kind of done up
Speaker 1: in a slightly racist lion king style. Like what is
Speaker 1: being transmitted other than like, look at all of the
Speaker 1: different art styles we can rip off.
Speaker 3: Now they do not have a journey, but even they
Speaker 3: themselves admit that they still don't have the content. The
Speaker 3: content itself still isn't even there. And that's something like
Speaker 3: they even acknowledge. And this is like a hurdle to
Speaker 3: this is this is a hurdle to get over. What
Speaker 3: they do have is the data, and like this is
Speaker 3: like something that Adobe has done because if you use
Speaker 3: Adobe products now some of the most used creative products,
Speaker 3: Adobe trains all of their AI systems, all the stuff
Speaker 3: that you make using their products, which you know, he
Speaker 3: really just blazed past that point because that's that's a
Speaker 3: whole other discussion. But even they know that they don't
Speaker 3: have like the actual products and this is still reliant
Speaker 3: on like consumer acceptance. As as they said before someone
Speaker 3: from Meta, the same person on the panel that talked
Speaker 3: about how like a few days ago on Instagram, they
Speaker 3: tried to announce like you'll have like AI profiles right,
Speaker 3: like like completely AI generated pictures profiles, like you know,
Speaker 3: like fake people who have their own accounts, And this
Speaker 3: created such a big backlash that they rolled this back
Speaker 3: and they simply announced this before Cees.
Speaker 1: One of these accounts was literally like I'm a mother
Speaker 1: of two queer black woman. You know, yeah, I got
Speaker 1: a lot to say about the world. Someone call up
Speaker 1: the situationists please, And some like people started talking to
Speaker 1: were like, we're any black people at all involved in
Speaker 1: like making this chatbot. She was like, well no, and
Speaker 1: that's a real problem. That is a real problem.
Speaker 3: Okay, Yes, And the excuse that this person for Meta
Speaker 3: said is that the market just isn't ready yet. It's
Speaker 3: not that the actual product itself is like bad or
Speaker 3: like no one really wants. The market's not ready yet.
Speaker 1: Well, they're so used to everything that they've done so far.
Speaker 1: They've kept getting money right, and like it slowed down
Speaker 1: and they've had to do layoffs, but like nobody's just
Speaker 1: made them stop at any point, which, honestly, you know,
Speaker 1: I made a comment about healthcare executives a while back,
Speaker 1: needing like a fucking retirement plan paid in millimeters. So
Speaker 1: I'm not going to make that same comment about tech
Speaker 1: industry rules because you know, we all know what's in
Speaker 1: the news. But something has to be done to force
Speaker 1: these people to stop moving in this direction. And I
Speaker 1: don't know how to get across and like they're already
Speaker 1: at this point, like they seem to really want not
Speaker 1: want this, and we have to find a way. They're
Speaker 1: just not ready. We have to find a way to
Speaker 1: force this on them. I don't know how to get
Speaker 1: across to them in a peaceful manner.
Speaker 3: Oh oh sorry, people don't want.
Speaker 1: This man of peace Garrison. I'm a man of peace.
Speaker 1: I'm not a plumber.
Speaker 3: The last thing I had to add out of this panel,
Speaker 3: just in terms of how much this stuff is just
Speaker 3: actually taking over more and more of the market even
Speaker 3: if people don't want it, is that the guy from
Speaker 3: Adobe announced it in the fourth quarter of last year.
Speaker 3: They were able to boost all of the Adobe's like
Speaker 3: you know, emails. If you send like an email to Adobe, right,
Speaker 3: you have a problem, like you need help. But like
Speaker 3: everything that they do on emails is now one hundred
Speaker 3: percent generated by AI. And this was boosted from fifty
Speaker 3: percent at the start of last year. Now it's one
Speaker 3: hundred percent of all of their email content is now
Speaker 3: done by AI with some moderation.
Speaker 1: But there comes like when the company itself is like
Speaker 1: communicating with customers through emails.
Speaker 3: That's what it sounded like.
Speaker 1: Yes, they're still writing emails sometimes to each other or
Speaker 1: for that too.
Speaker 3: He described it as like email content. So I'm pretty
Speaker 3: sure it is customer service stuff like marketing, maybe like outreach,
Speaker 3: like certain like outreach things. But yeah, like what one
Speaker 3: hundred percent now generated by AI with some human like moderation.
Speaker 3: But yeah, that is where things are moving and that's
Speaker 3: how I started my morning.
Speaker 1: Well, better than a cup of coffee. Is that sense
Speaker 1: of creeping dread that like, Wow, I just saw a
Speaker 1: bunch of people who will probably would rather kill the
Speaker 1: world than be stopped from shoveling AI slop into people's mouths,
Speaker 1: because this is the only future they can imagine, is
Speaker 1: one in which they work for a company that feeds
Speaker 1: the planet poison and kills the human concept of creativity
Speaker 1: so that they can buy a house in San Francisco.
Speaker 3: Do you know what I want to feed the concept.
Speaker 1: Of Yeah, we'll talk about that, but here's some ants.
Speaker 1: We're back. What was part two of this episode? That's
Speaker 1: feed buddy. I'm ah, oh, let's talk about that helicopter. No, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think yeah.
Speaker 3: As I was going from panel to panels scrippling notes
Speaker 3: on AI. Yeah, has some very exciting news stories drop
Speaker 3: that we'll talk about later. What were you up to, Robert, Well,
Speaker 3: I was. I was trawling the show floor as I
Speaker 3: oft do.
Speaker 1: At some point in a cees and I came across
Speaker 1: a number of majestic products. You know, a lot of
Speaker 1: it was AI based, and we'll talk some more about
Speaker 1: that here. But I ran into something that was thank god,
Speaker 1: had nothing to do with AI and it's a death trap.
Speaker 1: Every every one of these.
Speaker 3: There's like some sort of yes, we find a new death.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of connected vehicles. There were a lot
Speaker 1: of evs last year. There were a ton of different
Speaker 1: flying taxi type options people that were really trying to.
Speaker 3: But you don't see it all this year.
Speaker 1: Nothing this year, nothing this year, because it's a terrible idea.
Speaker 1: It's a terrible idea. The people who are rich enough
Speaker 1: to pay for flying vehicles don't want it to be
Speaker 1: a taxi, and the people who can't afford their own
Speaker 1: flying vehicles also can't afford anyway. So this is instead
Speaker 1: of any of that. Richter r i ct O R,
Speaker 1: which is a Chinese company. Their ads say, I'll say
Speaker 1: why be normal, saying this the future of travel will
Speaker 1: not be on the ground. And the Richter is a hybrid.
Speaker 1: It is like a smart car style sized vehicle. It's
Speaker 1: like half the side. It only has two wheels, though
Speaker 1: it looks more like a scooter. It's more like a
Speaker 1: weird little scooter, but it's fully enclosed and in addition
Speaker 1: to having its wheels and being able to travel about
Speaker 1: on the ground. It has four like quadrocopters style rotors
Speaker 1: because it is an aquatic flying car. Aquatic flying I
Speaker 1: saw no evidence that could actually go in the water.
Speaker 3: How high can these things go? Up?
Speaker 1: Less than two hundred meters? You know why, Garrison?
Speaker 3: Why? Why is that?
Speaker 1: Because if you try to go above that you need
Speaker 1: a pilot's license. You don't need a pilot slicnse I
Speaker 1: have that. When I was interviewing them, I was like, so,
Speaker 1: I assume there's gonna be some sort of pilot's license
Speaker 1: for this flying craft. And they're like, no, as long
Speaker 1: as you stand nd two hundred meters, you get.
Speaker 3: Do you need drivers? Like? Are you gonna put a
Speaker 3: license plate on this?
Speaker 1: Or there's no space for one?
Speaker 3: Buddy's completely unregularly to.
Speaker 1: Be honest, and I don't say this for anny problematic reason,
Speaker 1: but like, these folks are Chinese and did not seem
Speaker 1: to have a great deal of knowledge about the US
Speaker 1: words sure that said, I can't imagine China's less strict
Speaker 1: about personal aircraft.
Speaker 3: I would like to take this fucker on the I five,
Speaker 3: just start start to zooming.
Speaker 1: Yeah, see it.
Speaker 3: Up in the air, because you could probably do like
Speaker 3: a pretty a pretty good road trip on this right,
Speaker 3: you can you can? You can be about that.
Speaker 1: So it's very small and it's completely electric. So I
Speaker 1: asked him, how much time do you get in the
Speaker 1: air with this bad boy on battery? Maybe twenty five minutes?
Speaker 3: What happens after twenty minutes?
Speaker 1: I did ask this, and I was like, this is
Speaker 1: just rough out of the sky, and they're like, no,
Speaker 1: we're working on like a like an intelligent thing that
Speaker 1: will like.
Speaker 3: Land.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which is also very exciting, really really looking forward
Speaker 1: to seeing how they pull that off. The videos that
Speaker 1: they have show it driving on the highway too. They
Speaker 1: weren't able to tell me what a top speed was.
Speaker 1: It has no rear view mirrors and no side view mirrors,
Speaker 1: but they said there's lots of cameras on the inside,
Speaker 1: so I'm sure that's fine. It's a death trap. This
Speaker 1: thing will get everyone who even looks at it wrong killed.
Speaker 1: They should be a video of the prototype. It was
Speaker 1: completely frameless. It was just quadrcopter blades and like a
Speaker 1: chair on a platform lifting a guy into the air.
Speaker 1: It couldn't go forward or backwards. But they're like, a year,
Speaker 1: we canna have this figure out.
Speaker 3: It can't it can't move forward.
Speaker 1: It only only went up in the videos I saw,
Speaker 1: So you can't actually travel, absolutely not. I couldn't by
Speaker 1: the way. I couldn't fit in this thing, like you
Speaker 1: would be cramped in this fucker.
Speaker 3: But it's good for vertical travel.
Speaker 1: It's great if you just need to go up to
Speaker 1: under two hundred meters. There's no more efficient way.
Speaker 3: If you pull over by the cops, you just just.
Speaker 1: Go up above them. I'm in the sky now. You
Speaker 1: can't do shit to me for five mass minutes. Oh god,
Speaker 1: it's like if you're just driving, you go up to
Speaker 1: one hundred kilometers, which made me think, so agad, that's
Speaker 1: like sixty the year for twenty minutes. Then I land,
Speaker 1: Then my battery is dead.
Speaker 3: Then you can't go anywhere.
Speaker 1: You can't go anywhere. You can get back.
Speaker 3: The battery issue is gonna is gonna be troubling.
Speaker 1: But it seems completely useless.
Speaker 3: But as we've heard NonStop the past two days, this
Speaker 3: is the worst it's gonna be.
Speaker 1: This is the worst it's gonna be. Only gonna get better.
Speaker 3: Things only ever get better.
Speaker 1: That's that's what everyone was trying to insist upon. To
Speaker 1: may hear what else did you see on the show
Speaker 1: floor that cut your off garrison? So many magical, wonderful,
Speaker 1: marvelous things, most of which were just like various different
Speaker 1: AI connected smart houses. That was what Samsung was showing off.
Speaker 1: That was what LG was showing off. But I believe
Speaker 1: you saw one as well, right, Yeah, I mean I
Speaker 1: I walked through the LG booth.
Speaker 3: It was kind of the same as same as last year.
Speaker 3: The Samsung booth was too intimidating. But I should check
Speaker 3: it out because last year we didn't do the sums
Speaker 3: hung booth because we were going to and then either
Speaker 3: either one of us threw up or spilled something.
Speaker 1: Hey, okay, okay, yes, did I Did I pour my
Speaker 1: crative into a constant into a carbonated beverage that spewed
Speaker 1: a geyser a blood red foam into the sky around
Speaker 1: to the white sung Did the security guard stare at
Speaker 1: me as it happened? Did I set the drink down
Speaker 1: as it continued to spew and said, I'll go get
Speaker 1: some towels and then leave forever towels? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Left? We fucking bounced so we couldn't do them booth
Speaker 3: last year. Maybe I'll try it this year. But tell
Speaker 3: me about these smart houses.
Speaker 1: Well, Garrett, Sam Sumi has a great idea for a
Speaker 1: smart house. First of all, you wear that game the sims. No,
Speaker 1: well they're really betting that you do, because their current
Speaker 1: plan is design and you're a home with the AI
Speaker 1: powered map views. Okay, okay, sure, you get like you
Speaker 1: should feed it like a picture. You like, you lay
Speaker 1: out your your floor planning your house, and it gives
Speaker 1: you like a three D model and you can take
Speaker 1: pictures of your furniture or pictures of furniture that you want,
Speaker 1: and then it really places it around and you can
Speaker 1: place them. Now, a couple of things, one of them
Speaker 1: is that there's no scaling done by the AI, so
Speaker 1: it's up to you to figure out how the furniture
Speaker 1: you might want to buy measures up in comparison to
Speaker 1: the apartment.
Speaker 3: Sure.
Speaker 1: Sure, but it does look like the actual like map
Speaker 1: that they've got. I'll show you the picture that I took.
Speaker 1: I'll try to put it up somewhere like it looks
Speaker 1: like the video game the simps. You're populating like a
Speaker 1: little three D CGI house. And I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: well there's there's a use there, right. People like planning out,
Speaker 1: Like you you're moving into a new apartment, you can
Speaker 1: like fill it in here, and before you even move in,
Speaker 1: you can figure out what kind of furniture you need
Speaker 1: or how you're existing furniture will fit in there. I
Speaker 1: would never have used that. I usually picked up all
Speaker 1: of my furniture from the trash before I had a
Speaker 1: house when I moved into a new place. But I
Speaker 1: know people who would have used that. Sure, that seems useful.
Speaker 1: So I talked about security. Some one thing that concerned
Speaker 1: me is like the first guy I talked to, he
Speaker 1: was like, oh, yeah, I think it's all stored locally.
Speaker 1: And I was like, so Samsung doesn't have any access
Speaker 1: to any of the data on like my house and
Speaker 1: its layout. And he was like, let me, let me
Speaker 1: get you to one of our engineers because he can
Speaker 1: answer that question. And the engineer's answer was, and I'm
Speaker 1: paraphrasing here.
Speaker 3: Oh okay.
Speaker 1: So that made me very confident.
Speaker 3: That does make you feel safe about sharing your personal data?
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, I'm the layout of my actual house well.
Speaker 3: And the thing is, I really don't like that at all,
Speaker 3: because this is this is something that people were asking
Speaker 3: Facebook slash meta when they were doing like their you know,
Speaker 3: like metaverse stuff because their headsets are recording you know,
Speaker 3: very very extensively, like your home layout, and the whole
Speaker 3: point well, part of the point was that some of
Speaker 3: that data could then be used to send you targeted
Speaker 3: advertisements based on them seeing everything in your home. And
Speaker 3: I suspect that Sam Sung might also have some interest
Speaker 3: in targeted advertisements, being a tech company, but you know,
Speaker 3: I could never say.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they were that wasn't really one thing they
Speaker 1: had is for like their retail segment, they had like
Speaker 1: a live video grocery store ad showing you prices of
Speaker 1: different produce and I think like the insinuation that didn't
Speaker 1: lay out is like you can change prices on the fly,
Speaker 1: you know it, which kind of made me think about that.
Speaker 1: There was some talk last year of like, Okay, we
Speaker 1: want to be able to like face scan customers so
Speaker 1: we can see if they have money and increase prices
Speaker 1: for like products for certain people, which I'm sure they're
Speaker 1: going to try. They were too enticed by that idea
Speaker 1: not to so I caught a little bit of that,
Speaker 1: But they really like to the extent of how big
Speaker 1: And this was an interesting last year, Samsung and LG
Speaker 1: their boots were huge and they had a lot of
Speaker 1: get different gadgets. Sam Times booth is big this year.
Speaker 1: Forty percent of it was that scan your furniture, scan
Speaker 1: your fucking like map acts. Not that much like very
Speaker 1: little actual shit going on.
Speaker 3: The people slap the word AI onto everything there was.
Speaker 3: Another big thing was all Samsung.
Speaker 1: Because Samsung makes a ton of appliances, they make TVs,
Speaker 1: all sorts of entertainment products. All of them have this
Speaker 1: I figure what they called like samsum tag or something
Speaker 1: that you can you can map it in your phone,
Speaker 1: so you can have a whole map of all of
Speaker 1: the devices and shit that you have in your phone
Speaker 1: and you can control them all from a single point.
Speaker 1: And right, no one, by the way, had any interest
Speaker 1: in answering my security questions there. But also if you're
Speaker 1: into that, if you want to have all of your
Speaker 1: appliances and entertainment things linked up and controlled on your
Speaker 1: phone and all of them are Samsung, you don't care.
Speaker 3: You don't care about no, if you're getting a smart home,
Speaker 3: I don't think you really really care about that.
Speaker 1: But also none of it was like, yeah, I can
Speaker 1: control everything from my phone. You've been promising me that literally,
Speaker 1: like in twenty eleven decades they were promising me you're
Speaker 1: gonna be able to control your whole house thing.
Speaker 3: It feels new this year. This is the thing. Is
Speaker 3: like even walking through the LGB with which usually has
Speaker 3: some really cool new thing, this year nothing new, No,
Speaker 3: nothing new. They slapped the word AI on one corner
Speaker 3: of their TELEVI set.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: I guess LG does have like a large language model
Speaker 3: in like one corner of their booth, but like so
Speaker 3: does everyone else, Like that's not like, yeah compelling.
Speaker 1: There was sk which is a South Sees Korea company
Speaker 1: there booth again the massive like aire a big thing,
Speaker 1: but it's nothing. It's just a big visual display that
Speaker 1: looks cool, that looks like a bunch of server racks,
Speaker 1: like you're in this huge cube of servers. But everything's
Speaker 1: just like Echo does different actual products. One of them
Speaker 1: was real time CCTVs that use an AI at like
Speaker 1: an LLM type thing to summarize pictures. So I like
Speaker 1: walked through and it did pick me out as a
Speaker 1: notable person. So I've got like this people of interest
Speaker 1: thing where it's like a man holding a smartphone standing
Speaker 1: next to another man. But also I'm like, what does
Speaker 1: that really get you, Like the fact that you're summarizing
Speaker 1: up like these people who are like this person's kneeling
Speaker 1: and taking a picture this person standing because I like
Speaker 1: actually tried deliberately, I like reached to my bag to
Speaker 1: try to be suspicious. I like did finger guns and
Speaker 1: it never marked me out. And I can pull a
Speaker 1: real gun or anything, because I very rarely bring that
Speaker 1: to the cees for But I don't know, like I
Speaker 1: can see how there could be a utility there if
Speaker 1: you're actually able to say you're setting up like surveillance
Speaker 1: side of a residential building and it can alert security
Speaker 1: that like something is happening outside. There's a potential you
Speaker 1: if it's good enough utility in that that they didn't
Speaker 1: display it at the show. It was literally just describing
Speaker 1: randos from the audience, And like, I just don't see
Speaker 1: how a security guy is there's a guy with a
Speaker 1: phone on outside of the building, like.
Speaker 3: A yeah, no, it's it doesn't seem very new, it
Speaker 3: doesn't seem very innovative.
Speaker 1: Nah. So again when I'm when I'm seeing here, overwhelmingly
Speaker 1: for all the talk about like there's no resisting it.
Speaker 1: AI's coming. It's going to dominate everything. This is the
Speaker 1: next big thing. A remarkable lack outside of what I
Speaker 1: will say. The one thing where there are continuously new
Speaker 1: products that are better every year the smart glasses. Yes,
Speaker 1: they're getting more impressives. I don't think I'll ever be
Speaker 1: a smart glasses guy. I hated glasses enough that I
Speaker 1: let them shoot me in the eye with lasers. Shout
Speaker 1: out to our lacek sponsors. But I see why people
Speaker 1: would like it, and there seems to be legitimately substantial
Speaker 1: utility if we.
Speaker 3: Have high power smart glasses. Yeah, that look like a
Speaker 3: regular pair of glasses. I will get a pair of eventually,
Speaker 3: because yeah, why not. There was a great demo. I'm
Speaker 3: pulling over to an LAWK view.
Speaker 1: They had like one glass that was the first world
Speaker 1: smart glasses for TikTok life. Not particularly excited about that.
Speaker 1: But they had another set of ar glasses with a
Speaker 1: twelve hour battery, where like, if it works as well
Speaker 1: as the demo, and that's a big if, but it
Speaker 1: seems to like your smart watch, so it'll tell you
Speaker 1: can see in a heads up display as you're cycling.
Speaker 1: That was the demo it'll both like give you directions
Speaker 1: like in your eyes. And it seemed to be like
Speaker 1: fairly well thought out, so it's not like overly corrupting
Speaker 1: your view. It'll show you your heart rate, you know,
Speaker 1: it'll show you like all that kind of stuff. So
Speaker 1: you get like a useful degree of control and assistance
Speaker 1: from that kind of thing. And that is I will
Speaker 1: say the last three cees is the glasses get a
Speaker 1: little better and a little smaller every year. Smaller, certainly,
Speaker 1: I would say that's a real product that's probably going
Speaker 1: to continue to improve.
Speaker 3: Do you know what else always seeks improvement, Robert No,
Speaker 3: The capacity for you to get personalized possibly AI powered ads. Well,
Speaker 3: that human is exciting formed the consumer choices.
Speaker 1: Let's all sit down for some AI powered ads. Wow,
Speaker 1: I can't believe they put Jay Shetty's voice the dhed
Speaker 1: Harrison Ford from the latest in Handed Jones movie My
Speaker 1: Dick's Hard? How are you Garrison?
Speaker 3: Oh? I feel good because today, as we are recording this,
Speaker 3: it's it's late Tuesday night. There was a series of
Speaker 3: fascinating breaking news articles that happened as we were sitting
Speaker 3: or at least as I was sitting in on these
Speaker 3: aipans would be that hard to not just like completely
Speaker 3: interrupt everything and be like, yeah, hey, hey, any comment
Speaker 3: on this.
Speaker 1: Guys, Guys, something real happened. Shut your fucking stupid mouds
Speaker 1: about this AI Hollywood bullshit.
Speaker 3: So a few weeks ago, if you were unaware, a
Speaker 3: Green Beret rented a test the cyber truck to feel
Speaker 3: like Batman and Halo and drove to first the wrong
Speaker 3: Las Vegas and then eventually Las Vegas, Nevada, parked outside
Speaker 3: of the Trump Hotel and Casino and then loom himself up.
Speaker 3: And this has been a big news story. It happened
Speaker 3: during the same day as a pretty horrible terrorist attack
Speaker 3: in New Orleans, which resulted in about fifteen people dead,
Speaker 3: done by a guy who was employed by Deloitte, a
Speaker 3: frequent frequent CS sponsor. So this is these felt like
Speaker 3: a very CES style of attacks, you know, one Delote
Speaker 3: guy driving into people, murdering homesh you guys. And then
Speaker 3: this cyber truck explosion in Vegas a week before CES,
Speaker 3: you know, very odd. And then and then Robert some
Speaker 3: news drops today that I would love to hear you.
Speaker 1: And out, you know, Garrison, I made a comment the
Speaker 1: other night about how like, it's pretty well documented that veterans,
Speaker 1: you know, not that they're more likely to carry out violence,
Speaker 1: but when they do, they tend to have higher body
Speaker 1: counts because they have more skills. It turns out I
Speaker 1: thought we were getting more literal bang for our buck
Speaker 1: training Green Berets than we are. My assumption is because
Speaker 1: my uncle was a Green Beret and he did some
Speaker 1: very scary, probably wore crime shit in Vietnam, and I
Speaker 1: assumed like thatman, I'll tell you one thing about my uncle, Jim,
Speaker 1: that man could make a bomb. That man would not
Speaker 1: need to ask anyone for advice if he needed to
Speaker 1: make a bomb. He's not with us anymore. God rest
Speaker 1: his soul. But it turns out this Green Beret, who
Speaker 1: you know, a fucking dollar store TJ Max version of
Speaker 1: the Green Berets is what we're working with now, asked
Speaker 1: chat Gpt how to build a fucking bomb, and it
Speaker 1: sounds like he was trying to make it triggered by
Speaker 1: tannerite with it, which is a bipartite explosive compound that
Speaker 1: you use as like an exploding target, so it'll go
Speaker 1: boom big, but you have to shoot it with something
Speaker 1: like a rifle that's high velocity, or use like a
Speaker 1: blasting cap. Otherwise it's very stable and very safe, which
Speaker 1: obviously has use. You know, it was invented actually to
Speaker 1: set off avalanches and stuff anyway, because that's very available
Speaker 1: in very high power. He was looking to like fill
Speaker 1: his car with that and then shoot it with a
Speaker 1: rifle while he was in it, and that's what he
Speaker 1: was asking chat gpt about. So it's not clear to me. Actually,
Speaker 1: the actual headline is that like he used chat gpt
Speaker 1: to make his bomb. It seems and I'm not privy
Speaker 1: to what the police are obviously, but it seems like,
Speaker 1: based on what I read in the article, we're not
Speaker 1: sure if he actually used chat gpt to make a bomb.
Speaker 1: It's more that he was interested in making a bomb
Speaker 1: setting off tannerite by shooting it, but may have ultimately
Speaker 1: decided not to do that because he would then be
Speaker 1: alive for the explosion, which he didn't want to be. Also,
Speaker 1: the authorities don't seem to fully know how he triggered it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so it's still kind of unclear to me. I guess
Speaker 1: hopefully we'll get more later, but he he definitely needed
Speaker 1: chat GPT's help to try and figure out how to
Speaker 1: make the bomb.
Speaker 3: He certainly used chat GBT in the planning process of
Speaker 3: this attack.
Speaker 1: Yeah, fair to say that.
Speaker 3: And it's odd because both me and you spent a
Speaker 3: number of hours today actually like attending like demos from
Speaker 3: like these you know, speech to text, text to speech
Speaker 3: AI systems. We went to like two specific ones that
Speaker 3: they like, you know, demonstrated demonstrated the capabilities of their
Speaker 3: like you know, like AI assistive tech. The first one
Speaker 3: we went to spent twenty minutes talking about how their
Speaker 3: biggest inspiration, their quote unquote North Star was the movie
Speaker 3: Her was with Waquie.
Speaker 1: They had a whole slide about how that was the
Speaker 1: gold standard for AI human communications. The movie Her, in
Speaker 1: which Joaquin Phoenix falls in love with an AI chat
Speaker 1: bot voiced by Scarlett Johanson who hires a prostitute to
Speaker 1: have sex with them while she participates vocally, and then
Speaker 1: it turns out the AI is really kind of Polly
Speaker 1: and Joaquin Phoenix is not okay with that, and then
Speaker 1: maybe the ais all go to space. It's kind of
Speaker 1: unclear at the end. I don't think it was a
Speaker 1: great movie. A lot of people liked it. I don't
Speaker 1: see whether you or not you like it. Why this
Speaker 1: is your vision of how a chatbot should work.
Speaker 3: The actual chatbot they had was like fine, it was
Speaker 3: it was actually pretty good at translation, you knowing from
Speaker 3: Spanish to English.
Speaker 1: It worked quite well. Yeah, the demo was like solid,
Speaker 1: it was pretty accurate. You know. I love coming here
Speaker 1: and fucking with people. I love like being a dicky.
Speaker 1: They asked for a volunteer, and at that point we
Speaker 1: knew about the chat gbts. I wanted to go up
Speaker 1: and ask, like live this robot to like help me
Speaker 1: make a bomb. But the guy who was pretty handsome
Speaker 1: and like an interesting like English Spanish like specified he
Speaker 1: was and he didn't want to be mean to him.
Speaker 1: He seemed nice, wasn't shitty, like he was fine. There
Speaker 1: were just ten people in this room that was supposed
Speaker 1: to have two hundred. I'm sure she wasn't the one
Speaker 1: that talked about her. That was someone else that it
Speaker 1: was someone else at his company. And like he just
Speaker 1: seemed like he wanted to do with I didn't want
Speaker 1: to be a dick to it.
Speaker 3: No, no, and like.
Speaker 1: It it wasn't hurting any It was fine.
Speaker 3: Like Similarly, we went to this again a nice jawline.
Speaker 3: We went to this other one about this like actually
Speaker 3: a much more dubious concept in my mind, which is
Speaker 3: like this this AI assistant to help like elderly people,
Speaker 3: like people in like their eighties and nineties who don't
Speaker 3: want to be an assistant living facilities, who have been
Speaker 3: living on their own, but they're getting to the point
Speaker 3: in their life where like they need like some degree
Speaker 3: like in home care.
Speaker 1: He specified. A lot of them are people who have
Speaker 1: either just lost a spouse or maybe their spouse is
Speaker 1: aging faster and worse than them and is no longer
Speaker 1: really able to be the kind of companion that they
Speaker 1: were before.
Speaker 3: So it's like this. It's both like a conversation tool.
Speaker 3: It helps like memory recall kind of in some ways
Speaker 3: has the feat or is that like, you know, someone
Speaker 3: in their sixties would just use their smartphone for it
Speaker 3: to help keep in touch with their family. It's kind
Speaker 3: of simplified and more automated. Uh so you know, ways
Speaker 3: to help keep in touch with like your family can
Speaker 3: prove like your memory like talk about your own life.
Speaker 1: And the device is weird. It's about the width of
Speaker 1: like a bedside table maybe six to eight inches deep,
Speaker 1: so think about like eighteen inches long to maybe six
Speaker 1: inches deep something like that. Half of it is like
Speaker 1: a little tablet, like a seven inch tablet with the speaker.
Speaker 1: Half of it is something about the shape and size
Speaker 1: of a head on like a neck that can pivot
Speaker 1: and nod on the neck. There's no face, so when
Speaker 1: it's talking, there's like a white light in the center
Speaker 1: of it that kind of like pulses in time with
Speaker 1: the speaking that it does. So we saw this picture
Speaker 1: of the device and we saw the description of like
Speaker 1: this is an AI companion for the elderly, and we
Speaker 1: were both like, number one of these people are going
Speaker 1: to be monsters. This is going to be like something
Speaker 1: to shovel you're dying dad off with because you don't
Speaker 1: want to spend it.
Speaker 3: You want to spend time with your family.
Speaker 1: Scum, You're too busy AI generating SKA music and trying
Speaker 1: to sell your shitty robot to Garrison and me. More
Speaker 1: on that tomorrow, More on that tomorrow. And so that's
Speaker 1: what we came in prepped to this meeting, like this
Speaker 1: is this idea I.
Speaker 3: Find pretty distasteful in general, is like replacing actual like
Speaker 3: you know, friends or human contact or like like in
Speaker 3: home care with a fucking like Alexa machine essentially.
Speaker 1: And to be clear, I still think this product might
Speaker 1: be a bad idea that doesn't work. But the guy
Speaker 1: behind it, who is the dude that we talked to,
Speaker 1: cares a lot and is really very clearly trying to
Speaker 1: do a good thing and thought through the ethics and
Speaker 1: the efficacy of what he was doing a lot. And
Speaker 1: I'm not convinced it will actually do anything, but I
Speaker 1: like wish him the best.
Speaker 3: Like it's specifically is designed to not look like a human,
Speaker 3: so that somebody's using it, you know, wouldn't like start
Speaker 3: to believe it's like human.
Speaker 1: Like we don't want to trick people. We don't want
Speaker 1: them to mistake it.
Speaker 3: It refers to itself to like, like as a robots like,
Speaker 3: it refers to its own like you know, like motors
Speaker 3: and functionality like like pretty consistently to to like you know,
Speaker 3: make sure that the person who's talking to it gets
Speaker 3: like reminded of that. And something I talked about is,
Speaker 3: you know, there's been a lot of news stories this
Speaker 3: year about people building very unhealthy attachments and relationships to
Speaker 3: these kind of AI AI programs like Character AI. There's
Speaker 3: a story like a year and a half ago about
Speaker 3: like a journalist to quote unquote, like you know, like
Speaker 3: like fell in love with some kind of chat thing
Speaker 3: that resulted in him killing himself. You know, but these
Speaker 3: kind of these systems like he.
Speaker 1: Was he was not a teenager, was no character was
Speaker 1: that a journalist?
Speaker 3: Last year there was there was a journalist people fellow
Speaker 3: in love with an AI chat thing. A few weeks
Speaker 3: ago there was the kid who you know, was talking
Speaker 3: to this like the character I.
Speaker 1: Also, I just need to reiterate her not a great movie.
Speaker 3: But but you know, there has been a lot of
Speaker 3: these stories of these things like going wrong or you know,
Speaker 3: encouraging or like not stopping you know, like these like
Speaker 3: intense conversations like suicidal ideation or you know, like self harm,
Speaker 3: all these things.
Speaker 1: We brought these up kind of thinking he would flinch
Speaker 1: away and not want to talk about it, and he
Speaker 1: very much acknowledged that, like he was aware of this,
Speaker 1: and this is something that they were attempting to build in.
Speaker 3: This is this is like this is you know built
Speaker 3: into it. I think this is still you know, a
Speaker 3: big problem with this entire industries. I'm sure everyone would
Speaker 3: say this is you know obviously that we have we
Speaker 3: have guardrails for this, and then becomes a new story
Speaker 3: when those guardrails fail. Similarly, was to go back to
Speaker 3: the Tesla bomb. You know, there's supposed to be guardrails
Speaker 3: and chat GPT to make sure he doesn't tell you
Speaker 3: how to build a bomb and those guardrails can fail.
Speaker 1: He showed us one which was like he told the robot,
Speaker 1: I love you What was it? L e q lq
Speaker 1: was the l eq e l l i Q, I
Speaker 1: love you l eq And the robot like responded with
Speaker 1: a like, oh that makes like my fans are all
Speaker 1: spinning or something like that, where he's like, I wanted
Speaker 1: the responsibilit to be that it's reminding the person talking
Speaker 1: to it that it's a machine, that it can't think
Speaker 1: we're love them back. We don't want it to be negative,
Speaker 1: but we like, we don't want to be like feeding
Speaker 1: into that. And I don't know that that's the best
Speaker 1: way to do that, but like, at least they're thinking
Speaker 1: about that kind of thing. The thing that it was
Speaker 1: interesting to me is that he build this as the
Speaker 1: first proactive HOMEI thing, so unlike an Alexa or whatever,
Speaker 1: where it's just waiting for you to ask it something,
Speaker 1: but it does not chime in randomly to talk to you.
Speaker 3: Or it won't change the subject either, and like continue conversation.
Speaker 1: This will prompt you out of the blue, be like, hey,
Speaker 1: how are you doing? How are you feeling today?
Speaker 3: It's been a way and specific. You want to see
Speaker 3: pictures of your family? You see pictures of your family.
Speaker 3: Do you want to call your son? You know, but
Speaker 3: do you want to play a game? Talk to me
Speaker 3: about about that movie you see?
Speaker 1: Talk to me about that? Hey, remind me how did
Speaker 1: you meet your husband? You know? Like literally, these are
Speaker 1: all the things it will do. And it had some
Speaker 1: side features like if it prompts you to start telling
Speaker 1: a story, it'll save that as like a memoir thing,
Speaker 1: so that like, you know, when your elderly mother passes
Speaker 1: or whatever, it saved up this like collection of stories
Speaker 1: over the years, and you can like show it pictures
Speaker 1: while you're telling it stories and it will listen and
Speaker 1: it'll have comments and it'll ask you further questions about so,
Speaker 1: how did you feel, you know, after meeting them? This way,
Speaker 1: like that's really interesting. I didn't know that explain to
Speaker 1: me how it worked, and it will also prompt you
Speaker 1: to send those to your kids. And the big thing
Speaker 1: almost every kind of dialogue thing would prompt you to
Speaker 1: send a message to a friend or your kid. So
Speaker 1: a big part of it seemed to be this is
Speaker 1: not a replacement. This is a machine that we hope
Speaker 1: people will get comfortable with and then it can prompt
Speaker 1: them to try to engage with the world more. Yeah,
Speaker 1: loved ones, because that's our whole goal is to connect
Speaker 1: them to people.
Speaker 3: I asked him, is like, you know, part of this
Speaker 3: product is designed to like, you know, help solve like
Speaker 3: loneliness in older adults, and like, how much of this
Speaker 3: is really just like kind of trying to like replace
Speaker 3: actual human contact with this, like you know AI contact.
Speaker 3: Will that really help, you know, loneliness? And he talked
Speaker 3: about how like like I think, like he said, like
Speaker 3: ninety percent of the people who like use this, like
Speaker 3: it results in actually more more communication with their family.
Speaker 1: They have this in like some two thousand homes right now.
Speaker 3: They have like two thousand units. It's like a subscription
Speaker 3: model I think it's right now is like ninety nine
Speaker 3: dollars a month's gonna be boost up to like one
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty with some extra features in the next year.
Speaker 1: It's very much still under evolution. So one thing he
Speaker 1: pointed out is that, like, yeah, initially we had the
Speaker 1: ability to like connect people to other elderly folks using this,
Speaker 1: and so they've kind of formed their own community, had
Speaker 1: like a weekly bing bil game and asked us to
Speaker 1: build in more chats so they can message each other directly,
Speaker 1: and so some of them are like playing bingo directly
Speaker 1: now through these machines, And I'm like, well, that seems
Speaker 1: probably good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, because I still am like fundamentally opposed to
Speaker 3: this premise, yes, but it's interesting to seeing someone still
Speaker 3: but a sad aging yeah right, that's not their fault.
Speaker 3: And it's interesting to see someone like approach this from
Speaker 3: like a you know, a very like compassionate standpoint, even
Speaker 3: if I find the actual kind of nature of this
Speaker 3: thing existing to be like deeply uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: Because yeah, I can't not find it off putting, but
Speaker 1: I I think there's a chance that it will help
Speaker 1: with the real problem. I cly would prefer if it helped. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I don't know. It was kind of it was
Speaker 1: a unique in this world of like as it was
Speaker 1: a unique kind of like product for me where it's like,
Speaker 1: I don't know that this application of AI technology will
Speaker 1: actually do what you're hoping it will, But I got
Speaker 1: the vibe from that guy I got was nothing but
Speaker 1: good will.
Speaker 3: We're some of the other people we talked to you
Speaker 3: today who are completely.
Speaker 1: Soul out of yes, yes, nothing behind their eyes, dead eyes,
Speaker 1: black eyes, like a dull's eye.
Speaker 3: Even the way this guy is talking, you can tell
Speaker 3: you you had like a very like empathetic voice, like
Speaker 3: much like.
Speaker 1: One of the things he did is he he would
Speaker 1: tell it like, I'm in some pain, and then the
Speaker 1: robot would cycle through to the pain scale and would
Speaker 1: try to because one of the things it does is
Speaker 1: it will take information for care and it will text actively,
Speaker 1: so it's not just communicating with the old person. It
Speaker 1: will text and message their kids, you know, and whatnot,
Speaker 1: prompt their kids, Hey, your mom's lonely.
Speaker 3: Yeah, or it'll even say if you know, someone like
Speaker 3: didn't take their meds today.
Speaker 1: And again it's kind of say that. But also his
Speaker 1: part of this is he was talking a lot about
Speaker 1: like empathy, and I think just because of the kind
Speaker 1: of brain you have to have and when to do this.
Speaker 1: He used it in terms of like the machines empathy,
Speaker 1: which it doesn't have, but the whole project, it was
Speaker 1: impossible not to see that she was a deeply empathetic man.
Speaker 1: He was really trying to make the world better and
Speaker 1: I can't not respect that.
Speaker 3: Well, I think that does it for us here at Cees.
Speaker 1: That's right, what a packed thirteen. No worry, no empathy.
Speaker 1: Tomorrow takes just a real dead eyed monster. I am
Speaker 1: a true villain you're gonna hear from in the next episode.
Speaker 1: I am a stumbbag.
Speaker 3: I am the best that I'm gonna be. Because I'm
Speaker 3: starting this week, I can still feel the Cees magic. Yeah,
Speaker 3: by Friday, I am going to be a different person.
Speaker 3: I am going to rip some poor pr person two shreds,
Speaker 3: I swear, but yeah. Tune in tomorrow to hear our
Speaker 3: takes from the CS kind of side show called Showstoppers.
Speaker 3: To hear also some exclusive, brand new AI generated SKA music.
Speaker 3: So we'll give you that hint for tomorrow's episode. See
Speaker 3: you see you there, mm.
Speaker 1: Hmm, We'll see you all there. I love you all.
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