WEBVTT - The AI 'Ick': What Big Tech Is Bringing for 2025 0:00:01.720 --> 0:00:02.880 Cause media. 0:00:03.600 --> 0:00:06.480 Hi everyone, it's James coming at you with a pretty 0:00:06.519 --> 0:00:09.320 nasty cold here. I wanted to share with you that 0:00:09.760 --> 0:00:12.680 wildfast has swept through Los Angeles in the last couple 0:00:12.720 --> 0:00:16.400 of days. While I'm recording this. Thousands of people have 0:00:16.440 --> 0:00:19.639 been displaced. 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That's a E 0:01:04.640 --> 0:01:09.399 T N A str E E T S O L 0:01:09.600 --> 0:01:13.400 I D A it t Y. All right, I'm gonna 0:01:13.400 --> 0:01:16.000 go rest my voice. 0:01:16.319 --> 0:01:19.080 Oh, welcome back to it could happen here a podcast 0:01:19.080 --> 0:01:22.240 about it happening here, which is really true in a 0:01:22.240 --> 0:01:25.360 lot of ways. Tonight, Harrison Davis and I are seated 0:01:25.520 --> 0:01:30.080 at the glorious majestical hotel name redacted on the Las 0:01:30.200 --> 0:01:34.120 Vegas Strip. We got a long day at CEES Monday, 0:01:34.360 --> 0:01:37.520 listening to panels, catching up with the latest tech news, 0:01:37.560 --> 0:01:40.960 trying gadgets, and also at the same time texting our 0:01:41.000 --> 0:01:45.400 dear friends in Los Angeles as unprecedented fires sweep them 0:01:45.400 --> 0:01:49.840 from their homes. Literally the gettiest threatened Pasadena and Santa 0:01:49.880 --> 0:01:53.440 Monica are both being evacuated as once. It's a real 0:01:53.560 --> 0:01:56.280 one to two punch of America's favorite tech show in 0:01:56.280 --> 0:01:58.640 the apocalypse today. How are you feeling, Garret? 0:01:58.640 --> 0:02:00.600 It's an average day in America, average. 0:02:00.400 --> 0:02:07.200 Day in America. Temperature's not coming down anytime soon. No, no, well, 0:02:07.240 --> 0:02:09.720 just take a moment to breathe with that. So you 0:02:09.720 --> 0:02:11.600 want to start us off with what you did this morning? 0:02:11.680 --> 0:02:14.760 I was paneled guy, yesterday. There was a man of 0:02:14.800 --> 0:02:18.440 action walking around and mostly trying all the free massage chairs. 0:02:18.560 --> 0:02:19.760 What did you see this morning? 0:02:19.840 --> 0:02:22.840 I saw so many AI panels, half of which I 0:02:22.919 --> 0:02:25.400 left halfway through because I knew they weren't gonna be 0:02:25.440 --> 0:02:28.200 useful for me, just dogshity. The other half I took 0:02:28.240 --> 0:02:31.200 notes on and just got sad. But No. Today was 0:02:31.240 --> 0:02:34.320 full panel starting bright and early in the morning, where 0:02:34.360 --> 0:02:37.200 I walked into a panel where I heard augmentation and 0:02:37.280 --> 0:02:41.160 not replacement about twenty times in the span of like 0:02:41.200 --> 0:02:41.880 twenty minutes. 0:02:42.000 --> 0:02:44.679 Yeah. I keep hearing versions of that too. In the 0:02:44.680 --> 0:02:46.880 Hollywood panels, they would be like, you know, we want 0:02:46.919 --> 0:02:48.760 to develop a machine that can read the brains of 0:02:48.760 --> 0:02:51.080 our viewers and alter the endings of movies, you know, 0:02:51.120 --> 0:02:53.000 but we see this as a way of augmenting the 0:02:53.160 --> 0:02:53.920 artists work. 0:02:54.200 --> 0:02:57.160 Yes. And the biggest thing that I noticed across multiple 0:02:57.160 --> 0:03:01.119 panels today is an almost like anxiety among these tech 0:03:01.160 --> 0:03:08.120 executives about consumers rejecting the AI slopification of everything, and 0:03:08.600 --> 0:03:11.040 they're trying to find ways to like actually force people 0:03:11.080 --> 0:03:13.880 to start like using these products or having them like 0:03:13.880 --> 0:03:16.960 like it. Yeah, And I haven't really sense that anxiety before. 0:03:17.000 --> 0:03:19.280 It's it's all. It's all been very very positively, and 0:03:19.400 --> 0:03:19.720 I think. 0:03:19.639 --> 0:03:22.280 It's a mix of Number One, the money still isn't 0:03:22.720 --> 0:03:25.160 there where they need it to be. It has not 0:03:25.400 --> 0:03:27.840 started like blooming to the extent that they were expecting 0:03:27.840 --> 0:03:30.480 it by now. And the other part is people are 0:03:30.560 --> 0:03:33.520 still not happy with this stuff. I'm glad you felt 0:03:33.600 --> 0:03:36.840 that too, because that almost was like, especially after the election, 0:03:37.000 --> 0:03:39.680 like I don't trust my feelings on this that they're 0:03:39.760 --> 0:03:42.280 really scared, But I really do think there's a piece 0:03:42.320 --> 0:03:43.280 of that coming through. 0:03:43.280 --> 0:03:45.720 No of a phrase one of the panelists used this 0:03:45.840 --> 0:03:49.280 morning was the AI ick, like like how do we 0:03:49.840 --> 0:03:51.920 how do we beat the AI ick? And if you 0:03:52.000 --> 0:03:54.640 ever said yourself, how do I stop having people feel 0:03:54.640 --> 0:03:58.480 an ick around me? Maybe you should really look inwards. Yeah, 0:03:58.600 --> 0:04:00.800 maybe the problems you not them. 0:04:01.400 --> 0:04:03.360 You know, who doesn't need to worry about quote unquote 0:04:03.400 --> 0:04:06.640 I for their product market is people who make things 0:04:06.680 --> 0:04:07.400 that people like. 0:04:08.480 --> 0:04:10.480 So but I heard a lot about you know, and 0:04:10.520 --> 0:04:12.040 trying to get people to use these products is like 0:04:12.040 --> 0:04:14.680 making sure artists don't feel like they're being replaced instead 0:04:15.040 --> 0:04:19.719 having their like art production process be augmented with AI 0:04:19.800 --> 0:04:23.240 and how how that can make art easier to make 0:04:23.279 --> 0:04:25.960 while still keeping the human at the center of AI tools. 0:04:26.400 --> 0:04:27.880 And this is just what they talked about for like 0:04:27.880 --> 0:04:30.240 a while, while reiterating that lots of the developments they 0:04:30.279 --> 0:04:32.760 need to see on AI, they have it on the 0:04:32.760 --> 0:04:35.320 tech side, what they need to rely on is consumer 0:04:35.360 --> 0:04:37.599 acceptance to really drive the innovation, to see like what 0:04:37.640 --> 0:04:39.839 they can get away with, Like how much will the 0:04:39.839 --> 0:04:44.920 consumer accept the sophification of art and entertainment and customer 0:04:45.000 --> 0:04:47.599 service and all these things are trying to cram AI 0:04:47.720 --> 0:04:48.360 into and like. 0:04:48.480 --> 0:04:51.600 How much worse can you make the world before people 0:04:52.120 --> 0:04:55.080 stand up and stop you with their fists or guns. 0:04:55.160 --> 0:04:57.120 And you mentioned something about like trying to like tailor 0:04:57.160 --> 0:05:00.240 like movie endings for specific people, and i' I heard 0:05:00.279 --> 0:05:02.600 them stuff about that. There's this one guy who was 0:05:02.760 --> 0:05:05.560 who was like the panel's resident like content creator who's 0:05:05.560 --> 0:05:10.680 supposed to represent like the artist block, even though he's like, eh, yeah, 0:05:10.760 --> 0:05:13.479 you know some kind of like AI friendly content creator 0:05:13.520 --> 0:05:15.359 though on this panel, and he talked about how like 0:05:15.680 --> 0:05:18.159 back in the day, you need to have friends that 0:05:18.200 --> 0:05:22.200 would like recommend you music, and like the Spotify algorithm 0:05:22.240 --> 0:05:23.919 is is too based on like an echo chamber what 0:05:23.960 --> 0:05:27.760 you already like, but now with a gentic AI this 0:05:27.839 --> 0:05:30.840 allows trust between the consumer and the machine to recommend 0:05:30.880 --> 0:05:33.480 new music. And like again, like so much of these 0:05:33.480 --> 0:05:35.400 AIR products is just trying to like replace friendship. 0:05:35.480 --> 0:05:39.200 Yeah, people, have you tried friends have you tried people? 0:05:39.360 --> 0:05:43.120 How can you engage with like art and culture without friends, 0:05:43.120 --> 0:05:45.120 Like how can you like learn more about like what 0:05:45.200 --> 0:05:47.200 your friends are into what they like? How can you 0:05:47.240 --> 0:05:50.840 discover new music just like without that instead replacing that 0:05:50.920 --> 0:05:52.320 beautifully human process. 0:05:52.600 --> 0:05:55.400 Every year at cees, there are points in time where 0:05:55.400 --> 0:05:57.559 I get that, like, oh yeah, twenty twenty really fucked 0:05:57.600 --> 0:06:00.440 us up a lot, Like twenty twenty really did some 0:06:00.560 --> 0:06:04.360 lasting damage. Like I know it was that was happening 0:06:04.520 --> 0:06:07.960 with the younger generation before the iPad kid generation, but 0:06:08.120 --> 0:06:11.600 like that that really did a number on some folks. 0:06:12.279 --> 0:06:16.559 Someone from Meta right of Facebook specifically they're like metaverse division, 0:06:16.600 --> 0:06:18.200 which they're still trying to push for by. 0:06:18.120 --> 0:06:19.880 The way, Oh yeah, now, I mean they're still calling 0:06:19.920 --> 0:06:22.520 it meta, which honestly, there's a degree which I almost 0:06:22.600 --> 0:06:24.960 respect it because like we are not biting no. 0:06:25.279 --> 0:06:27.880 One, No one is. But she talked about how how 0:06:27.920 --> 0:06:31.240 they can like blend the metaverse and AI to make 0:06:31.320 --> 0:06:35.839 customized personal experiences. Say that you're watching an immersive live 0:06:36.000 --> 0:06:39.080 concert in the mixed reality something that both me and 0:06:39.080 --> 0:06:40.080 Aubert do all the time, and. 0:06:42.560 --> 0:06:47.440 Hairy styles mixed reality concerts. We're seeing the hundred gets, you. 0:06:47.400 --> 0:06:50.080 Know, honestly, a one hundred x mixed reality concert could 0:06:50.080 --> 0:06:50.520 go crazy. 0:06:50.600 --> 0:06:52.839 Here We'll finally I'll finally get you pilled on real 0:06:52.839 --> 0:06:53.920 big fish. 0:06:54.000 --> 0:06:58.200 But basically, as you're in this like metaverse concert, they 0:06:58.200 --> 0:07:00.600 can have an AI that will sense your own excitement 0:07:01.000 --> 0:07:03.960 and personalize the ending of the experience based on your 0:07:03.960 --> 0:07:07.000 favorite songs or artists. So as they're getting excited from 0:07:07.000 --> 0:07:10.440 like AI, Taylor Swift can like finish the song like 0:07:10.520 --> 0:07:12.880 for you based on like your own like musical taste, 0:07:12.920 --> 0:07:15.040 based on what the AI knows about you. And it's 0:07:15.040 --> 0:07:17.120 about creating these customized experiences. 0:07:17.120 --> 0:07:19.000 It's such a you can clearly tell that none of 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:21.160 these people have souls, right, It's such a mismatch of 0:07:21.200 --> 0:07:24.440 what people get from music because they think that like, oh, 0:07:24.480 --> 0:07:26.600 this is just like a if I see that like 0:07:26.680 --> 0:07:29.200 this specific beat line is I can just sort of 0:07:29.240 --> 0:07:31.280 like plug this in and like, I don't know, Like 0:07:31.840 --> 0:07:34.360 what makes people react to musicians and artists is that 0:07:34.400 --> 0:07:37.280 they like make things that make them feel something like 0:07:37.840 --> 0:07:41.120 That's why people get like really into artists, is they 0:07:41.200 --> 0:07:45.600 feel seen and identify with a piece of art, as 0:07:45.600 --> 0:07:48.480 opposed to like, oh, oh that guy really like the 0:07:48.520 --> 0:07:53.320 first opening bars to fucking octopus's garden, Like let's let's 0:07:53.400 --> 0:07:56.640 just like really turn up the octopus a lot more octopuses. 0:07:57.360 --> 0:07:59.960 How many more octopuses can we fit in this fucking 0:08:00.440 --> 0:08:01.160 in this track? 0:08:01.400 --> 0:08:03.840 No. Another panel I went to later in the day 0:08:03.960 --> 0:08:06.000 was about like how do you market to gen z? 0:08:06.320 --> 0:08:08.880 Very funny panel. Yeah, and and they're talking about how 0:08:08.920 --> 0:08:12.280 like authenticity is so important, like you need to partner 0:08:12.360 --> 0:08:14.960 with influencers that have like have like an authentic brand. 0:08:15.440 --> 0:08:18.480 And it's funny having that ductionapost with like these like 0:08:18.600 --> 0:08:20.520 these like AI slot panels were like you need like 0:08:20.520 --> 0:08:23.560 an AI Taylor Swift to come like boost the excitement 0:08:23.640 --> 0:08:26.920 for all these kids who are in their metaverse concerts. 0:08:27.560 --> 0:08:30.440 Oh boy, But no, like personalized content like like targeting 0:08:30.520 --> 0:08:34.240 like AI AI generated content specifically for certain people, for 0:08:34.280 --> 0:08:36.960 certain users, whether it's on social media, whether that's on 0:08:37.040 --> 0:08:38.800 you know, the metaverse. Like some of these people talk 0:08:38.840 --> 0:08:41.600 about someone on the panel from Adobe, who's you know, 0:08:41.600 --> 0:08:44.240 Adobe's integrating a whole bunch of generative AI into their 0:08:44.280 --> 0:08:48.600 like suite of products, right, like a Photoshop premiere after effects, right, 0:08:48.760 --> 0:08:51.440 big big company in the creative space. He said, They're 0:08:51.480 --> 0:08:54.920 like personalized content is always the most impactful, like content 0:08:55.080 --> 0:08:57.920 that a person feels like a genuine connection to, and 0:08:58.240 --> 0:09:00.280 that connection could be fted by just being like, you know, 0:09:00.520 --> 0:09:03.520 a compelling artist where you can recognize shared experiences of 0:09:03.760 --> 0:09:07.400 shared experiences of humanity. But now you don't need that 0:09:07.559 --> 0:09:10.680 artist part anymore. He said, they only need three parts 0:09:10.720 --> 0:09:14.320 to create a pipeline. You need data, you need compelling 0:09:14.360 --> 0:09:17.240 like journeys to take the user on, and you need 0:09:17.240 --> 0:09:19.920 the content itself. And the goal is to create content 0:09:19.960 --> 0:09:23.559 at scale that's highly personalized. He said quotes. We're good 0:09:23.559 --> 0:09:26.240 at the first two parts. Now we just need to 0:09:26.280 --> 0:09:29.600 improve the actual content side, which I don't even think 0:09:29.640 --> 0:09:31.760 that's true. I don't think AI is good at creating 0:09:31.880 --> 0:09:33.199 compelling human journeys. 0:09:33.200 --> 0:09:35.040 I had it. So the video I didn't play you 0:09:35.080 --> 0:09:38.319 guys from my terrible fucking AI generated videos was this. 0:09:38.720 --> 0:09:41.200 It was like a girl coming to college. We need 0:09:41.240 --> 0:09:42.640 a picture of her dad, and it was like a 0:09:42.760 --> 0:09:46.160 narration of her life with her father who like is 0:09:46.320 --> 0:09:49.199 dead that she misses and all that she learned from him. 0:09:49.280 --> 0:09:51.440 Data and it like it's a mix of like all 0:09:51.440 --> 0:09:53.200 these different like there's a chunk where it looks like 0:09:53.240 --> 0:09:55.760 a Disney animated picture. There's a chunk where it looks 0:09:55.800 --> 0:09:58.880 like anime. She and her dad having these like adventures 0:09:58.880 --> 0:10:00.480 around the world is a bit of looks like a 0:10:00.520 --> 0:10:03.160 Marvel movie. And he's like, we can do all these 0:10:03.200 --> 0:10:06.360 different you know, animation styles and they're seamless and like, 0:10:06.480 --> 0:10:08.640 you know, the audience really goes on a journey with this. 0:10:08.720 --> 0:10:11.640 And it's like, but there's there was no girl who 0:10:11.679 --> 0:10:14.040 lost your dad. Nobody lost their dad here. This is 0:10:14.160 --> 0:10:17.640 you just had a computer generate text about a dad dying. 0:10:17.760 --> 0:10:21.360 Like there's nothing underpinning this, right, nobody has anything they're 0:10:21.360 --> 0:10:23.640 trying to get across, Like you just know, in this one, 0:10:23.679 --> 0:10:26.400 they look like Marvel heroes for some reason. In this 0:10:26.440 --> 0:10:28.840 one they look like Zulu warriors, kind of done up 0:10:28.840 --> 0:10:31.920 in a slightly racist lion king style. Like what is 0:10:32.800 --> 0:10:35.320 being transmitted other than like, look at all of the 0:10:35.360 --> 0:10:37.240 different art styles we can rip off. 0:10:37.320 --> 0:10:39.880 Now they do not have a journey, but even they 0:10:39.920 --> 0:10:42.720 themselves admit that they still don't have the content. The 0:10:42.720 --> 0:10:44.920 content itself still isn't even there. And that's something like 0:10:44.960 --> 0:10:46.800 they even acknowledge. And this is like a hurdle to 0:10:47.000 --> 0:10:48.960 this is this is a hurdle to get over. What 0:10:49.000 --> 0:10:50.600 they do have is the data, and like this is 0:10:50.600 --> 0:10:52.800 like something that Adobe has done because if you use 0:10:52.800 --> 0:10:55.360 Adobe products now some of the most used creative products, 0:10:55.440 --> 0:10:58.240 Adobe trains all of their AI systems, all the stuff 0:10:58.240 --> 0:11:01.079 that you make using their products, which you know, he 0:11:01.200 --> 0:11:03.960 really just blazed past that point because that's that's a 0:11:03.960 --> 0:11:07.000 whole other discussion. But even they know that they don't 0:11:07.000 --> 0:11:10.199 have like the actual products and this is still reliant 0:11:10.280 --> 0:11:13.959 on like consumer acceptance. As as they said before someone 0:11:14.000 --> 0:11:16.120 from Meta, the same person on the panel that talked 0:11:16.160 --> 0:11:18.800 about how like a few days ago on Instagram, they 0:11:18.800 --> 0:11:22.600 tried to announce like you'll have like AI profiles right, 0:11:22.679 --> 0:11:25.880 like like completely AI generated pictures profiles, like you know, 0:11:25.920 --> 0:11:28.960 like fake people who have their own accounts, And this 0:11:29.000 --> 0:11:31.720 created such a big backlash that they rolled this back 0:11:32.040 --> 0:11:34.800 and they simply announced this before Cees. 0:11:34.600 --> 0:11:37.959 One of these accounts was literally like I'm a mother 0:11:38.080 --> 0:11:41.640 of two queer black woman. You know, yeah, I got 0:11:41.640 --> 0:11:44.120 a lot to say about the world. Someone call up 0:11:44.160 --> 0:11:47.400 the situationists please, And some like people started talking to 0:11:47.400 --> 0:11:49.240 were like, we're any black people at all involved in 0:11:49.320 --> 0:11:52.040 like making this chatbot. She was like, well no, and 0:11:52.080 --> 0:11:54.480 that's a real problem. That is a real problem. 0:11:54.520 --> 0:11:57.680 Okay, Yes, And the excuse that this person for Meta 0:11:57.720 --> 0:12:00.679 said is that the market just isn't ready yet. It's 0:12:00.760 --> 0:12:03.640 not that the actual product itself is like bad or 0:12:03.679 --> 0:12:06.920 like no one really wants. The market's not ready yet. 0:12:07.120 --> 0:12:10.560 Well, they're so used to everything that they've done so far. 0:12:11.160 --> 0:12:14.720 They've kept getting money right, and like it slowed down 0:12:14.840 --> 0:12:17.880 and they've had to do layoffs, but like nobody's just 0:12:18.000 --> 0:12:22.640 made them stop at any point, which, honestly, you know, 0:12:22.679 --> 0:12:25.760 I made a comment about healthcare executives a while back, 0:12:25.880 --> 0:12:28.439 needing like a fucking retirement plan paid in millimeters. So 0:12:28.440 --> 0:12:31.400 I'm not going to make that same comment about tech 0:12:31.400 --> 0:12:34.240 industry rules because you know, we all know what's in 0:12:34.240 --> 0:12:38.400 the news. But something has to be done to force 0:12:38.480 --> 0:12:43.360 these people to stop moving in this direction. And I 0:12:43.400 --> 0:12:45.800 don't know how to get across and like they're already 0:12:45.800 --> 0:12:48.559 at this point, like they seem to really want not 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:50.720 want this, and we have to find a way. They're 0:12:50.760 --> 0:12:52.120 just not ready. We have to find a way to 0:12:52.160 --> 0:12:54.839 force this on them. I don't know how to get 0:12:54.880 --> 0:12:56.640 across to them in a peaceful manner. 0:12:56.760 --> 0:12:59.199 Oh oh sorry, people don't want. 0:12:59.000 --> 0:13:02.079 This man of peace Garrison. I'm a man of peace. 0:13:02.400 --> 0:13:03.200 I'm not a plumber. 0:13:06.520 --> 0:13:08.560 The last thing I had to add out of this panel, 0:13:08.960 --> 0:13:10.600 just in terms of how much this stuff is just 0:13:10.640 --> 0:13:12.400 actually taking over more and more of the market even 0:13:12.400 --> 0:13:15.000 if people don't want it, is that the guy from 0:13:15.000 --> 0:13:17.080 Adobe announced it in the fourth quarter of last year. 0:13:17.400 --> 0:13:19.679 They were able to boost all of the Adobe's like 0:13:19.720 --> 0:13:22.000 you know, emails. If you send like an email to Adobe, right, 0:13:22.400 --> 0:13:24.160 you have a problem, like you need help. But like 0:13:24.360 --> 0:13:27.000 everything that they do on emails is now one hundred 0:13:27.000 --> 0:13:30.280 percent generated by AI. And this was boosted from fifty 0:13:30.280 --> 0:13:32.040 percent at the start of last year. Now it's one 0:13:32.080 --> 0:13:35.040 hundred percent of all of their email content is now 0:13:35.080 --> 0:13:37.600 done by AI with some moderation. 0:13:37.800 --> 0:13:41.000 But there comes like when the company itself is like 0:13:41.040 --> 0:13:42.880 communicating with customers through emails. 0:13:43.280 --> 0:13:44.520 That's what it sounded like. 0:13:44.600 --> 0:13:48.480 Yes, they're still writing emails sometimes to each other or 0:13:49.679 --> 0:13:50.240 for that too. 0:13:50.720 --> 0:13:53.120 He described it as like email content. So I'm pretty 0:13:53.120 --> 0:13:57.400 sure it is customer service stuff like marketing, maybe like outreach, 0:13:57.440 --> 0:13:59.520 like certain like outreach things. But yeah, like what one 0:13:59.600 --> 0:14:03.239 hundred percent now generated by AI with some human like moderation. 0:14:03.800 --> 0:14:06.439 But yeah, that is where things are moving and that's 0:14:06.480 --> 0:14:08.040 how I started my morning. 0:14:08.280 --> 0:14:11.200 Well, better than a cup of coffee. Is that sense 0:14:11.240 --> 0:14:13.640 of creeping dread that like, Wow, I just saw a 0:14:13.640 --> 0:14:17.120 bunch of people who will probably would rather kill the 0:14:17.200 --> 0:14:22.040 world than be stopped from shoveling AI slop into people's mouths, 0:14:22.080 --> 0:14:24.440 because this is the only future they can imagine, is 0:14:24.480 --> 0:14:27.120 one in which they work for a company that feeds 0:14:27.160 --> 0:14:30.840 the planet poison and kills the human concept of creativity 0:14:31.120 --> 0:14:33.320 so that they can buy a house in San Francisco. 0:14:33.880 --> 0:14:37.080 Do you know what I want to feed the concept. 0:14:36.560 --> 0:14:39.720 Of Yeah, we'll talk about that, but here's some ants. 0:14:49.160 --> 0:14:51.920 We're back. What was part two of this episode? That's 0:14:51.920 --> 0:14:55.240 feed buddy. I'm ah, oh, let's talk about that helicopter. No, yeah, 0:14:55.320 --> 0:14:56.200 I think yeah. 0:14:56.280 --> 0:14:59.160 As I was going from panel to panels scrippling notes 0:14:59.200 --> 0:15:02.200 on AI. Yeah, has some very exciting news stories drop 0:15:02.360 --> 0:15:04.880 that we'll talk about later. What were you up to, Robert, Well, 0:15:04.920 --> 0:15:07.960 I was. I was trawling the show floor as I 0:15:08.120 --> 0:15:08.640 oft do. 0:15:08.760 --> 0:15:12.400 At some point in a cees and I came across 0:15:13.080 --> 0:15:15.120 a number of majestic products. You know, a lot of 0:15:15.120 --> 0:15:17.400 it was AI based, and we'll talk some more about 0:15:17.400 --> 0:15:20.120 that here. But I ran into something that was thank god, 0:15:20.360 --> 0:15:22.960 had nothing to do with AI and it's a death trap. 0:15:23.280 --> 0:15:24.560 Every every one of these. 0:15:24.400 --> 0:15:26.760 There's like some sort of yes, we find a new death. 0:15:27.080 --> 0:15:28.840 There's a lot of connected vehicles. There were a lot 0:15:28.840 --> 0:15:31.760 of evs last year. There were a ton of different 0:15:31.880 --> 0:15:35.520 flying taxi type options people that were really trying to. 0:15:35.560 --> 0:15:37.040 But you don't see it all this year. 0:15:37.080 --> 0:15:39.720 Nothing this year, nothing this year, because it's a terrible idea. 0:15:39.880 --> 0:15:42.600 It's a terrible idea. The people who are rich enough 0:15:42.640 --> 0:15:44.920 to pay for flying vehicles don't want it to be 0:15:44.960 --> 0:15:49.560 a taxi, and the people who can't afford their own 0:15:49.600 --> 0:15:53.760 flying vehicles also can't afford anyway. So this is instead 0:15:53.800 --> 0:15:58.640 of any of that. Richter r i ct O R, 0:15:59.560 --> 0:16:03.040 which is a Chinese company. Their ads say, I'll say 0:16:03.240 --> 0:16:08.720 why be normal, saying this the future of travel will 0:16:08.760 --> 0:16:13.120 not be on the ground. And the Richter is a hybrid. 0:16:13.200 --> 0:16:17.320 It is like a smart car style sized vehicle. It's 0:16:17.360 --> 0:16:19.120 like half the side. It only has two wheels, though 0:16:19.680 --> 0:16:21.480 it looks more like a scooter. It's more like a 0:16:21.520 --> 0:16:26.080 weird little scooter, but it's fully enclosed and in addition 0:16:26.120 --> 0:16:27.840 to having its wheels and being able to travel about 0:16:27.840 --> 0:16:31.440 on the ground. It has four like quadrocopters style rotors 0:16:31.720 --> 0:16:35.240 because it is an aquatic flying car. Aquatic flying I 0:16:35.280 --> 0:16:37.320 saw no evidence that could actually go in the water. 0:16:37.560 --> 0:16:39.000 How high can these things go? Up? 0:16:39.200 --> 0:16:41.160 Less than two hundred meters? You know why, Garrison? 0:16:41.280 --> 0:16:42.000 Why? Why is that? 0:16:42.160 --> 0:16:43.760 Because if you try to go above that you need 0:16:43.800 --> 0:16:46.960 a pilot's license. You don't need a pilot slicnse I 0:16:47.000 --> 0:16:49.120 have that. When I was interviewing them, I was like, so, 0:16:49.200 --> 0:16:51.080 I assume there's gonna be some sort of pilot's license 0:16:51.120 --> 0:16:53.200 for this flying craft. And they're like, no, as long 0:16:53.240 --> 0:16:54.960 as you stand nd two hundred meters, you get. 0:16:54.840 --> 0:16:57.720 Do you need drivers? Like? Are you gonna put a 0:16:57.760 --> 0:16:58.680 license plate on this? 0:16:58.800 --> 0:17:00.000 Or there's no space for one? 0:17:00.040 --> 0:17:02.120 Buddy's completely unregularly to. 0:17:02.040 --> 0:17:05.080 Be honest, and I don't say this for anny problematic reason, 0:17:05.160 --> 0:17:08.320 but like, these folks are Chinese and did not seem 0:17:08.359 --> 0:17:10.000 to have a great deal of knowledge about the US 0:17:10.080 --> 0:17:14.760 words sure that said, I can't imagine China's less strict 0:17:14.760 --> 0:17:16.280 about personal aircraft. 0:17:16.440 --> 0:17:18.720 I would like to take this fucker on the I five, 0:17:19.240 --> 0:17:22.480 just start start to zooming. 0:17:22.760 --> 0:17:23.560 Yeah, see it. 0:17:23.600 --> 0:17:25.280 Up in the air, because you could probably do like 0:17:25.320 --> 0:17:27.320 a pretty a pretty good road trip on this right, 0:17:27.359 --> 0:17:28.960 you can you can? You can be about that. 0:17:29.119 --> 0:17:31.879 So it's very small and it's completely electric. So I 0:17:31.960 --> 0:17:33.800 asked him, how much time do you get in the 0:17:33.880 --> 0:17:37.040 air with this bad boy on battery? Maybe twenty five minutes? 0:17:39.840 --> 0:17:42.280 What happens after twenty minutes? 0:17:43.560 --> 0:17:46.000 I did ask this, and I was like, this is 0:17:46.040 --> 0:17:47.960 just rough out of the sky, and they're like, no, 0:17:48.040 --> 0:17:50.600 we're working on like a like an intelligent thing that 0:17:50.680 --> 0:17:51.040 will like. 0:17:52.880 --> 0:17:53.120 Land. 0:17:53.200 --> 0:17:56.520 Yeah, which is also very exciting, really really looking forward 0:17:56.560 --> 0:17:58.960 to seeing how they pull that off. The videos that 0:17:59.000 --> 0:18:02.159 they have show it driving on the highway too. They 0:18:02.200 --> 0:18:04.280 weren't able to tell me what a top speed was. 0:18:04.480 --> 0:18:07.240 It has no rear view mirrors and no side view mirrors, 0:18:07.280 --> 0:18:09.360 but they said there's lots of cameras on the inside, 0:18:09.400 --> 0:18:12.720 so I'm sure that's fine. It's a death trap. This 0:18:12.760 --> 0:18:15.720 thing will get everyone who even looks at it wrong killed. 0:18:15.720 --> 0:18:18.439 They should be a video of the prototype. It was 0:18:18.480 --> 0:18:21.480 completely frameless. It was just quadrcopter blades and like a 0:18:21.640 --> 0:18:24.120 chair on a platform lifting a guy into the air. 0:18:24.280 --> 0:18:27.760 It couldn't go forward or backwards. But they're like, a year, 0:18:27.880 --> 0:18:28.760 we canna have this figure out. 0:18:28.960 --> 0:18:30.399 It can't it can't move forward. 0:18:30.520 --> 0:18:32.640 It only only went up in the videos I saw, 0:18:34.400 --> 0:18:38.719 So you can't actually travel, absolutely not. I couldn't by 0:18:38.760 --> 0:18:41.280 the way. I couldn't fit in this thing, like you 0:18:41.920 --> 0:18:43.560 would be cramped in this fucker. 0:18:43.680 --> 0:18:45.119 But it's good for vertical travel. 0:18:45.200 --> 0:18:47.399 It's great if you just need to go up to 0:18:47.600 --> 0:18:50.600 under two hundred meters. There's no more efficient way. 0:18:52.600 --> 0:18:55.359 If you pull over by the cops, you just just. 0:18:55.240 --> 0:18:58.760 Go up above them. I'm in the sky now. You 0:18:58.800 --> 0:19:04.960 can't do shit to me for five mass minutes. Oh god, 0:19:05.359 --> 0:19:06.720 it's like if you're just driving, you go up to 0:19:06.720 --> 0:19:09.560 one hundred kilometers, which made me think, so agad, that's 0:19:09.600 --> 0:19:12.520 like sixty the year for twenty minutes. Then I land, 0:19:12.720 --> 0:19:13.760 Then my battery is dead. 0:19:14.119 --> 0:19:14.960 Then you can't go anywhere. 0:19:14.960 --> 0:19:16.360 You can't go anywhere. You can get back. 0:19:16.560 --> 0:19:19.320