WEBVTT - Cowboys Break: Pick By Pick 0:00:03.920 --> 0:00:06.440 The following here's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:06.480 --> 0:00:16.800 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Cowboys, Let's go. Are 0:00:16.800 --> 0:00:19.680 you ready for a break? Yes? Are you ready for 0:00:19.720 --> 0:00:24.840 a break? Absolutely? Ready for a break? Yeah? And so 0:00:24.920 --> 0:00:28.720 much for that. It's time for The Break on Dallas 0:00:28.720 --> 0:00:34.800 Cowboys dot Com with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar 0:00:34.920 --> 0:00:40.760 Garcia and Derek Eagleton this Wednesday, May fourth, two thousand 0:00:40.800 --> 0:00:43.880 and twenty two, Seasons eighteen, Episode number seven. Welcome to 0:00:43.880 --> 0:00:46.040 the latest edition of The Break. We are fresh off 0:00:46.440 --> 0:00:49.199 the twenty twenty two NFL Draft, so we've got a 0:00:49.240 --> 0:00:53.040 full show of opinions and thoughts coming out of that draft, 0:00:53.280 --> 0:00:55.360 and a lot to talk about a lot of picks 0:00:55.360 --> 0:00:58.480 for the Cowboys. A lot of different people have different opinions, 0:00:58.520 --> 0:01:00.520 so we'll get these guys a pain to get them 0:01:00.520 --> 0:01:03.040 on the red. Tyler Smith taught us that absolutely and 0:01:03.280 --> 0:01:05.400 it can be on a lot all the way across 0:01:05.440 --> 0:01:08.280 the spectrum, right from great pick to not so great pick. 0:01:08.480 --> 0:01:11.200 All right, so let's actually do that. Let's start first 0:01:11.240 --> 0:01:14.319 with Tyler Smith. He was the Cowboys first round pick, 0:01:14.560 --> 0:01:18.520 number twenty four overall. Obviously, there's some people out there, 0:01:18.560 --> 0:01:20.280 I think it was a reach. Others think it was 0:01:20.319 --> 0:01:22.640 a great pick. Let's go around the table. What were 0:01:22.640 --> 0:01:24.160 your thoughts on the first pick? Nic, We'll start with 0:01:24.200 --> 0:01:28.440 you today. I thought it was the It filled their 0:01:28.480 --> 0:01:30.600 need and it was their best player on their board 0:01:30.600 --> 0:01:32.520 to fill a need. So I think when that happened, 0:01:32.560 --> 0:01:34.800 I mean they maybe they would have taken other guards, 0:01:34.880 --> 0:01:37.400 but this guy could come in. He can play guard, 0:01:37.760 --> 0:01:40.360 and I think if he just plays guard and starts, 0:01:40.400 --> 0:01:42.880 I think this is what I wrote yesterday. I think 0:01:42.880 --> 0:01:44.480 he would be a solid pick if he comes in 0:01:44.520 --> 0:01:47.480 and plays just like Connor Williams. If he's better than that, 0:01:47.560 --> 0:01:49.240 it's a really good guard. I think it's gonna be 0:01:49.280 --> 0:01:51.280 a good pick. If he eventually goes to tackle, I 0:01:51.280 --> 0:01:56.760 think it's a great pick. Well, you know, my initial 0:01:56.840 --> 0:02:00.560 thought was like who is this guy? You know, I'm 0:02:00.560 --> 0:02:03.520 having to look up pictures, look up for highlights and 0:02:03.560 --> 0:02:06.520 put all this content out, and when you're having a 0:02:06.520 --> 0:02:10.880 hard time finding anything content wise, you're like, Okay, well 0:02:11.240 --> 0:02:14.880 then he's not that great. That's what your initial assumption is. 0:02:14.919 --> 0:02:18.400 So after looking more, like reading more about him, looking 0:02:18.440 --> 0:02:20.640 at footage and all that. One of the things that 0:02:20.760 --> 0:02:23.840 I think most people like at this point is his size, 0:02:24.000 --> 0:02:26.760 how big he is, how heavy he is. He has 0:02:26.800 --> 0:02:29.200 the size that they kind of need in the old line. 0:02:29.240 --> 0:02:32.360 One of my biggest concerns, and it's been brought up 0:02:32.400 --> 0:02:37.560 to everybody's attention, the penalties, you know him, the holding penalties. 0:02:37.600 --> 0:02:41.720 And my thing is like, what do you do when 0:02:42.360 --> 0:02:44.639 you bring in a player like that that you say, okay, 0:02:44.639 --> 0:02:47.079 well you can teach that, you can improve that. But 0:02:47.120 --> 0:02:50.240 when you look at the track wrecker so far that 0:02:50.320 --> 0:02:53.720 you've had players like Connor Williams, a veteran guy, You've 0:02:53.760 --> 0:02:59.040 had Lyle Collins, You've had even Tyrn Smith having holding calls. 0:02:59.040 --> 0:03:02.720 So when it's really like a problem on its own here, 0:03:02.919 --> 0:03:05.920 it makes me wonder how he's actually going to be 0:03:05.960 --> 0:03:10.399 able to improve in that aspect and be able to 0:03:10.440 --> 0:03:13.760 contribute as much as he can on the field without 0:03:13.760 --> 0:03:18.160 creating additional problems that the Cowboys already have to deal with. 0:03:19.400 --> 0:03:23.000 I think what I've settled on is I believe two 0:03:23.040 --> 0:03:25.280 things at the same time, which like kind of what 0:03:25.400 --> 0:03:27.359 you just said, I mean, I knew who Tyler Smith was. 0:03:28.639 --> 0:03:30.920 I knew that he was an O line prospect that 0:03:31.000 --> 0:03:32.639 might go in the back half of the first round, 0:03:32.720 --> 0:03:35.040 but I didn't know a ton about him, to be 0:03:35.040 --> 0:03:37.600 perfectly blunt, like he was not a name that we 0:03:37.680 --> 0:03:40.520 got two two in depth with on the Draft show. 0:03:40.560 --> 0:03:42.680 I think the Cowboys did a better job than usual 0:03:42.760 --> 0:03:44.600 of kind of hiding him from us, Like he didn't 0:03:44.600 --> 0:03:47.200 come to the facility. He wasn't a Dallas day guy, 0:03:47.240 --> 0:03:50.240 even though he could have been, which is interesting, probably 0:03:50.320 --> 0:03:54.280 on purpose, if I had to guess. So, once I 0:03:54.320 --> 0:03:56.280 really started to dive into who he was, I was like, 0:03:56.960 --> 0:03:59.560 I see the I can see the appeal here. Talking 0:03:59.560 --> 0:04:02.640 about a guy that just turned twenty one. He's absolutely enormous. 0:04:03.440 --> 0:04:07.760 He's certainly athletic. He's like a raw piece of clay. 0:04:07.800 --> 0:04:09.520 You know, you can mold him into whoever you want. 0:04:09.600 --> 0:04:11.320 And like Nick said, if you can turn him into 0:04:11.360 --> 0:04:14.720 a franchise left tackle, then this will be incredible value. 0:04:15.640 --> 0:04:18.919 But in the immediate all of that stuff is true 0:04:18.920 --> 0:04:20.640 that I think that there's going to be some work here, 0:04:20.720 --> 0:04:22.559 like I would imagine like this, I think this guy's 0:04:22.600 --> 0:04:24.359 going to have a steeper learning curve than some of 0:04:24.360 --> 0:04:26.200 the other guys we've seen come in like a Zach 0:04:26.240 --> 0:04:29.880 Martin or even like a sounds silly to say about 0:04:29.920 --> 0:04:31.719 a guy that was so young, even a Micah Parsons 0:04:31.720 --> 0:04:34.800 and a CD Lamb, like, I think Tyler Smith is 0:04:34.800 --> 0:04:37.840 good enough to start as a rookie, but I think 0:04:37.880 --> 0:04:39.839 it's optimistic to think that he's going to come in 0:04:39.880 --> 0:04:42.680 and dominate from the get, which he could, and I'll 0:04:42.680 --> 0:04:44.520 eat that crow later. But that's just how I feel 0:04:44.640 --> 0:04:47.359 right now, and so I just have this nagging feeling 0:04:47.400 --> 0:04:50.800 like this looks like it could be a great pick 0:04:50.839 --> 0:04:52.800 in the big picture, but if I'm trying to be 0:04:52.800 --> 0:04:56.279 better in twenty twenty two, we'll see. And so both 0:04:56.279 --> 0:04:58.359 of those things are kind of true at the same time. 0:04:58.360 --> 0:05:02.120 And that's why my overall impression of this draft classes 0:05:02.160 --> 0:05:04.640 I'm like, I like what you're doing, but I don't 0:05:04.680 --> 0:05:07.559 think the team is better for this season after this draft, 0:05:07.600 --> 0:05:09.880 at least not significantly. You know. The one thing I 0:05:09.880 --> 0:05:12.280 will say about that, when you talk about better for 0:05:12.320 --> 0:05:16.480 this season, if I'm making the evaluation on what we 0:05:16.640 --> 0:05:20.920 think Tyler Smith can be this year, and you look 0:05:20.920 --> 0:05:22.840 at the guy that he would have replaced if he's 0:05:22.839 --> 0:05:25.520 at guard, if he's at left guard, and Connor Williams, well, 0:05:25.560 --> 0:05:27.880 I look at that is my biggest problem with Connor Williams. 0:05:27.880 --> 0:05:30.080 Outside of the penalties, which are kind of the same 0:05:30.120 --> 0:05:31.960 thing if you want to just say you kind of 0:05:32.000 --> 0:05:35.520 compare a person to person, the other part to it 0:05:35.360 --> 0:05:39.279 is really just about his ability to move people in 0:05:39.320 --> 0:05:42.480 the run game. I always thought the problem for Connor 0:05:42.520 --> 0:05:45.679 Williams is he just wasn't strong enough in the middle 0:05:45.680 --> 0:05:47.960 of that offensive line to be able to get much push. 0:05:48.320 --> 0:05:50.760 The one thing we know about this guy is he's big, 0:05:51.279 --> 0:05:54.520 he's strong, and he's me. That's what we've been told. 0:05:54.560 --> 0:05:57.240 He plays me and for me. I look at that, 0:05:57.279 --> 0:06:01.000 and I think that gives you an immediate improvement in 0:06:01.040 --> 0:06:02.960 the run game if he is what they say he 0:06:03.040 --> 0:06:04.840 is as of right now. And yeah, there are a 0:06:04.839 --> 0:06:06.080 lot of things are going to have to improve, and 0:06:06.120 --> 0:06:08.479 I think that's really about getting him to tackle. But 0:06:08.560 --> 0:06:11.039 I think at guard, if you're asking him to see 0:06:11.080 --> 0:06:13.520 this guy move this guy, I kind of have some 0:06:13.640 --> 0:06:16.159 optimism that he may be able to do that. I think. 0:06:16.200 --> 0:06:17.640 I mean, I said that at the end of our 0:06:17.720 --> 0:06:21.400 last draft show yesterday, is I'm if I'm looking for 0:06:21.440 --> 0:06:24.880 an optimistic viewpoint on this guy right now. Yeah, I 0:06:24.920 --> 0:06:27.560 think the one thing we know he does great according 0:06:27.600 --> 0:06:30.280 to all the evaluators is run block ninety nine percentile 0:06:30.320 --> 0:06:32.360 according to PFF. Like he can get in there and 0:06:32.480 --> 0:06:35.920 mall and what makes the Cowboys offense as effective as possible, 0:06:36.480 --> 0:06:40.159 generating success in the run game. And that's awesome and 0:06:39.480 --> 0:06:42.039 I hope that works out. I think it has the 0:06:42.080 --> 0:06:44.960 potential too. But you also think a guy playing a 0:06:45.000 --> 0:06:47.320 new position. He was a college tackle, was not a guard, 0:06:47.600 --> 0:06:49.880 and pass pro is a big part of this. We've 0:06:49.920 --> 0:06:52.719 also seen Dak having a guy right on top of 0:06:52.760 --> 0:06:55.320 him in the pocket is a recipe for disaster and 0:06:55.440 --> 0:06:58.240 get you talk about steep learning curve, think about some 0:06:58.279 --> 0:06:59.719 of the guys this guy is going to have to 0:06:59.720 --> 0:07:01.599 go up against. I mean, we know the problems that 0:07:01.600 --> 0:07:04.719 the d tackles in Washington present. We know what Philly 0:07:04.800 --> 0:07:08.480 just did drafting Jordan Davis, Jeffrey Simmons, and Tennessee is 0:07:08.520 --> 0:07:11.600 on the schedule this year, Vita Vea's back on the schedule, 0:07:12.120 --> 0:07:15.120 Aaron Donald's on the schedule. Like that's what When I 0:07:15.120 --> 0:07:17.440 say steve learning curve, I just mean, yes, I think 0:07:17.480 --> 0:07:20.960 this guy can help in the run game. But it's 0:07:21.000 --> 0:07:22.480 a lot to ask for this guy to hit the 0:07:22.480 --> 0:07:24.440 ground running. And so I think that's more of a 0:07:24.520 --> 0:07:28.400 realistic viewpoint, Nick, when we think about an amber had 0:07:28.440 --> 0:07:31.160 mentioned it. But when you look at the penalties, how 0:07:31.240 --> 0:07:32.880 much of a problem do you think that is? Because 0:07:32.880 --> 0:07:34.560 there are a lot of fans out there that that 0:07:34.680 --> 0:07:36.280 was the first thing they read about this guys, he 0:07:36.280 --> 0:07:38.920 has a ton of penalties from last year, Connor Williams, 0:07:38.960 --> 0:07:40.640 one of the reasons fans wanted him out was because 0:07:40.640 --> 0:07:42.600 he had a ton of penalties. What are your thoughts 0:07:42.600 --> 0:07:45.280 on on the penalties? Well, I mean I think that 0:07:45.480 --> 0:07:48.840 you know, certainly something that's an issue because your first 0:07:48.880 --> 0:07:52.440 question is who who in the American Athletic Conference is 0:07:52.480 --> 0:07:54.920 such a badass that you can't walk that you can't 0:07:54.920 --> 0:07:56.880 that you're havn't hold that, you know, you would think 0:07:56.880 --> 0:07:59.400 you would be able to just you know, you know 0:07:59.560 --> 0:08:02.400 stop um. You know, I think if he wanted to 0:08:02.480 --> 0:08:04.800 take the flip side. You know that they play a 0:08:04.880 --> 0:08:06.960 lot of snaps. It plays a lot more snaps. They 0:08:06.960 --> 0:08:09.120 play at a faster pace. To explain it a little 0:08:09.160 --> 0:08:11.120 bit more, because we talked about that, Yeah, the offense 0:08:11.160 --> 0:08:13.880 that Tulsa uses is this you know that high pace 0:08:13.960 --> 0:08:16.360 where they Chris Beam looked it up the other day 0:08:16.360 --> 0:08:18.360 I mean nine hundred and nine snaps when some of 0:08:18.400 --> 0:08:21.280 the other guards were in the seven thirty seven forty range. 0:08:21.520 --> 0:08:23.360 So not only is it a lot of snaps, but 0:08:23.400 --> 0:08:25.119 you're playing a lot of snaps of the same amount 0:08:25.160 --> 0:08:27.680 of game fast race. He's like quick, quick, quick, and 0:08:27.720 --> 0:08:29.560 that's going to lead to some of that. I talked 0:08:29.600 --> 0:08:32.000 to his college coach, Philip Montgomery. He says, yeah, he 0:08:32.040 --> 0:08:34.319 had some problems with his hands outside a little bit. 0:08:34.559 --> 0:08:37.000 He keeps his hands inside and really locks in. He'll 0:08:37.040 --> 0:08:39.680 be fine. He also mentioned and he said, you know, 0:08:39.720 --> 0:08:43.880 he admits he's biased. He said his strength of absolutely 0:08:43.960 --> 0:08:47.760 throwing guys to the ground is what led to almost 0:08:47.800 --> 0:08:50.160 half of the penalties. He said, there's times when that 0:08:50.280 --> 0:08:53.000 is absolutely not a penalty. It was just he just 0:08:53.040 --> 0:08:55.200 crushes this guy to the point where they're like, well 0:08:55.200 --> 0:08:57.280 that that looks like a wrestling move. That's got to 0:08:57.320 --> 0:09:00.360 be a flag. Whether or not that's just coach speak, 0:09:00.400 --> 0:09:02.200 I don't know, but you know, he said that that 0:09:02.320 --> 0:09:04.200 strength kind of leads to some of that. People on 0:09:04.240 --> 0:09:06.360 the personnel side of the building said the same thing 0:09:06.640 --> 0:09:10.079 is like, go actually watch the tape and you will 0:09:10.120 --> 0:09:13.200 see that some of these are like flags. Of domination, 0:09:13.360 --> 0:09:15.840 Like it's it's not a guy reaching for somebody that 0:09:15.840 --> 0:09:18.400 got past him as much as it's like, well, your 0:09:18.480 --> 0:09:21.160 body slammed him, which I mean, it's still penalty. I 0:09:21.160 --> 0:09:23.640 get it. But I think the Cowboys think that they 0:09:23.679 --> 0:09:26.520 can coach that out of him, or at least maybe 0:09:26.800 --> 0:09:28.200 maybe he can get away with it a little bit 0:09:28.240 --> 0:09:30.079 better in the NFL. I mean, if you Tyrn Smith 0:09:30.080 --> 0:09:32.440 has had that problem over the years as well. Jason 0:09:32.440 --> 0:09:34.920 Garrett used to get so mad and be like, you 0:09:35.000 --> 0:09:37.760 tell me where that's a penalty. Tyron Smith has just 0:09:37.920 --> 0:09:41.160 grown manning this guy, and I mean, it is what 0:09:41.200 --> 0:09:43.760 it is. I guess it's still a flag, so it's 0:09:43.800 --> 0:09:45.560 not like you can just write it off as something 0:09:45.600 --> 0:09:48.360 you don't have to work on. But if it's not, 0:09:48.480 --> 0:09:51.360 they're not concerned that he like doesn't have the athleticism 0:09:51.400 --> 0:09:53.520 like he's lunging and grabbing. It's more like if he 0:09:53.600 --> 0:09:55.960 takes Dan killing Pete, If he takes Darn Pain and 0:09:56.000 --> 0:09:58.200 throws him to the ground and gets called for a penalty, 0:09:58.760 --> 0:10:00.600 that to me will be the qu event of one 0:10:00.600 --> 0:10:03.199 of those like goaltending calls when they fly they lay 0:10:03.200 --> 0:10:05.319 it in and you just swatted into the sixth row. 0:10:05.840 --> 0:10:08.199 You can have the two points, but just know it's 0:10:08.200 --> 0:10:10.000 going to be like this all day long, so like 0:10:10.120 --> 0:10:12.720 kind of take that one. I'll take it. Yeah, all right, 0:10:13.559 --> 0:10:16.000 question though, you know we keep talking. He's a tackle, 0:10:16.080 --> 0:10:19.360 he's coming out of a tackle, and he's expected to 0:10:19.440 --> 0:10:21.560 move to guard position. And know a lot of old 0:10:21.559 --> 0:10:24.560 line man have that kind of flexibility where you can 0:10:24.679 --> 0:10:26.520 kind of switch them around a little bit. But I've 0:10:26.559 --> 0:10:29.080 also seen the type of players that they do struggle 0:10:29.160 --> 0:10:32.240 a lot more when you switch them from position to position. 0:10:32.440 --> 0:10:36.720 So are you guys, just Dave Nick like in general, 0:10:36.960 --> 0:10:40.600 kind of expecting that to really be a transition and 0:10:40.720 --> 0:10:43.560 a great learning curve to happen here, or is he 0:10:43.600 --> 0:10:45.520 going to be really a guy that can come in 0:10:45.800 --> 0:10:50.160 and actually help at the guard position right away. I mean, 0:10:50.720 --> 0:10:53.040 it's a bad pick if he doesn't start a guard Honestly, 0:10:53.120 --> 0:10:55.199 let's just people about it. It's a bad pick if 0:10:55.200 --> 0:10:58.079 he's not ready to do that. If he loses the 0:10:58.200 --> 0:11:00.280 job to a guy that got benched last year, that's 0:11:00.280 --> 0:11:02.760 not what you want. UM. But again, you talk about 0:11:02.800 --> 0:11:07.559 the youth and the athleticism and the size, Um, I 0:11:07.600 --> 0:11:09.560 definitely think he has that potential. I do think it's 0:11:09.600 --> 0:11:12.839 a good question because it's like, this kid's twenty one, 0:11:12.880 --> 0:11:14.280 and we feel like this is gonna be a learning 0:11:14.320 --> 0:11:16.280 curve anyway, and now you're going to cross train him 0:11:16.280 --> 0:11:18.720 at both positions. It feels like a lot to ask, um, 0:11:19.640 --> 0:11:23.280 Micah did it, And that's rough. I know, that's rough 0:11:23.400 --> 0:11:25.040 to compare them. That is not a statement I ever 0:11:25.080 --> 0:11:27.480 expect to come from you. Like, that's a really optimistic 0:11:27.480 --> 0:11:29.319 statement when you say, well, Michael did it, Well, yeah, 0:11:29.360 --> 0:11:31.200 he was the best de physic player in the league 0:11:31.400 --> 0:11:33.280 this year. Maybe, but I mean I don't, I don't. 0:11:33.320 --> 0:11:35.240 I mean, they're probably going to need him. Let's be honest. 0:11:35.240 --> 0:11:37.960 It's six years running that Tyrone has been unavailable for 0:11:37.960 --> 0:11:40.760 some reason or another, and they did. They've got Josh 0:11:40.800 --> 0:11:42.839 Ball and they drafted a tackle. I'm sure we'll get 0:11:42.880 --> 0:11:46.240 to it. But again, that's optimistic too. Is like guys 0:11:46.240 --> 0:11:49.680 that have never played in the regular season, So it's 0:11:49.760 --> 0:11:51.959 kind I mean to some degree in the NFL. The 0:11:52.080 --> 0:11:54.520 NFL is kind of about getting thrown in the pool 0:11:54.559 --> 0:11:57.360 at some point, so I mean, it's maybe not it's 0:11:57.440 --> 0:12:00.960 not ideal, yeah, but this happens a lot though, and 0:12:00.960 --> 0:12:04.240 and where the tack. You know, you play tackle in college, 0:12:04.760 --> 0:12:07.520 but he probably could have played guard in college. It's 0:12:07.559 --> 0:12:10.720 just that he's good enough to play left tackle in 0:12:10.760 --> 0:12:14.080 that conference and really in other conferences. If we were 0:12:14.120 --> 0:12:16.120 gonna get down to it, it sounds like that you 0:12:16.120 --> 0:12:19.400 want well, yeah, I mean like fans would have a 0:12:19.559 --> 0:12:22.320 much better feeling about this guy if they knew the 0:12:22.520 --> 0:12:25.400 colleges and the coaches that were calling to get him 0:12:25.400 --> 0:12:28.600 to transfer. Let's be clear, maybe it wasn't the colleges. 0:12:28.640 --> 0:12:30.760 Maybe it's people that represent the colleges, or maybe it 0:12:30.840 --> 0:12:32.920 was people that would just informally in fire. If he 0:12:32.960 --> 0:12:35.080 wanted to go to the transfer portal, he could have 0:12:35.160 --> 0:12:37.120 gone to a lot of schools. And some of these 0:12:37.120 --> 0:12:39.720 schools big times. Some of these schools are are playing 0:12:39.760 --> 0:12:45.120 for national championships every year Texas. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:12:45.160 --> 0:12:48.280 well maybe this year though. So I'm just saying, I 0:12:48.280 --> 0:12:52.640 guess tampering in college football is that a thing? Do 0:12:52.720 --> 0:12:55.240 we have to worry about that? I mean for them, 0:12:55.280 --> 0:12:57.080 I mean now that you got in, now that you 0:12:57.120 --> 0:12:59.000 got in l Yes, I think it is a part 0:12:59.000 --> 0:13:01.720 of it is a part of college. Yeah. I actually 0:13:01.760 --> 0:13:03.520 asked what the rules are, and the rules are you 0:13:03.559 --> 0:13:07.040 cannot contact other players when they are not in the portal, 0:13:07.120 --> 0:13:09.439 but that still happens. You say, I mean I'll pull 0:13:09.480 --> 0:13:10.960 a neck, and so I mean the tide could have 0:13:11.000 --> 0:13:14.480 turned on that guy, could have been a whole different story. 0:13:14.480 --> 0:13:15.960 Here you go. But you know, the other thing to 0:13:15.960 --> 0:13:18.959 think about here, so careful. The other thing to think 0:13:19.000 --> 0:13:22.000 about here is that. And this is my understand you guys, 0:13:22.000 --> 0:13:23.920 tell them if you think I'm wrong on this. But 0:13:24.040 --> 0:13:26.800 to me, it's an easier transition going from tackle to guard. 0:13:26.880 --> 0:13:28.920 If they were saying this year, you had this guy 0:13:28.960 --> 0:13:30.959 that played guard in college, and now we're going to 0:13:31.040 --> 0:13:32.800 move them to tackle in the NFL. Expect him to 0:13:32.800 --> 0:13:34.760 play this year, I would be a lot more like 0:13:34.840 --> 0:13:37.480 an I don't trust that. I think going from tackle 0:13:37.480 --> 0:13:39.839 to guard, though, it's a little easier, especially if you 0:13:39.920 --> 0:13:42.440 got the strength that he has, which is the power, 0:13:42.559 --> 0:13:44.240 Like if you can play if you got the power, 0:13:44.559 --> 0:13:45.959 And I actually think it might help with some of 0:13:46.000 --> 0:13:47.800 the penalties too. When you're in tackle, you're kind of 0:13:47.840 --> 0:13:50.240 out on an island, so sometimes holding can be about 0:13:50.280 --> 0:13:51.960 you kind of get beat, you kind of have to recover. 0:13:52.200 --> 0:13:54.560 You grab a guy guard, you got a little tighter 0:13:54.559 --> 0:13:57.360 box there between the center and the tackle, so there 0:13:57.559 --> 0:14:00.880 isn't as much need necessarily to sometimes whole. So all 0:14:00.880 --> 0:14:03.240 those things being considered, I think the transition's actually easier. 0:14:03.280 --> 0:14:05.240 But let's say let's say you pin him down at 0:14:05.320 --> 0:14:07.959 Guardiams did the same thing. Just throw that out Connord. 0:14:07.960 --> 0:14:10.120 Williams may not be as good a player, I know, 0:14:10.240 --> 0:14:12.240 I maybe, just maybe he's not as good a player 0:14:12.240 --> 0:14:16.920 as guy. Say go ahead. He started he did because 0:14:16.960 --> 0:14:20.000 they had to put him in there. But I was 0:14:20.000 --> 0:14:23.160 just gonna ask, looking at what they currently have right now. 0:14:23.720 --> 0:14:27.640 If you got Tyler Smith pinned down a guard and 0:14:27.680 --> 0:14:31.400 for some reason something happens again and Tyron Smith has 0:14:31.440 --> 0:14:34.280 to come out of the game, who's your guy right now? 0:14:35.120 --> 0:14:37.960 It comes down wonderful question. Sorry, go ahead. It comes 0:14:37.960 --> 0:14:41.200 down to who's better at at your backup option? Is 0:14:41.240 --> 0:14:45.200 Connor McGovern you're better guard? Um then you know, and 0:14:45.440 --> 0:14:48.480 then Tyler Smith can slide out? Or is is Matt 0:14:48.480 --> 0:14:51.720 will Esco or Josh Ball a better option at tackle? 0:14:51.800 --> 0:14:54.400 And are they better than Tyler Smith at tackle as well? 0:14:54.440 --> 0:14:56.720 Which I would hope not, but they might be. There 0:14:56.760 --> 0:14:58.760 isn't an answer to that question right now. There just 0:14:58.880 --> 0:15:02.000 isn't because we I know how good Tyler is. Josh 0:15:02.000 --> 0:15:05.040 Ball played two weeks of training camp football before he 0:15:05.080 --> 0:15:07.120 got hurt and red shirted, and well, let's go to 0:15:07.200 --> 0:15:09.680 a rookie too. I would one of those three because 0:15:09.760 --> 0:15:12.080 Jerry Jones made it perfectly clear that he doesn't think 0:15:12.080 --> 0:15:16.920 they need a veteran tackle, which I thought was interesting. Yeah, actually, 0:15:16.960 --> 0:15:18.000 you know, I was going to talk about that a 0:15:18.040 --> 0:15:19.840 little later, but let's let's talk about that real quick, 0:15:19.840 --> 0:15:23.240 because I do think these conversations go together. Well, let's go. 0:15:23.360 --> 0:15:26.560 Was was drafting fifth round, one hundred and fifty fifth overall, 0:15:27.440 --> 0:15:29.600 And I think the question really is when you start 0:15:29.680 --> 0:15:32.880 looking at these offensive linemen. They threw out those names, 0:15:32.920 --> 0:15:35.280 but they got a lot of young guys, and particularly 0:15:35.280 --> 0:15:37.720 when you start talking about Ball and farniok, and now 0:15:37.960 --> 0:15:41.240 well let's go and even Tyler Smith, none of them 0:15:41.240 --> 0:15:44.680 have really taken snaps, and so they're relying on them. 0:15:45.280 --> 0:15:47.800 Do you think that they will go into this season 0:15:47.880 --> 0:15:50.360 expecting that one of those guys will be their swing tackle, 0:15:50.920 --> 0:15:53.960 knowing that Tyron Smith may not play all the games 0:15:54.480 --> 0:15:57.160 if history holds true. Let's get to oxin Arn't. I mean, 0:15:57.240 --> 0:15:58.960 let's get to that drill where they you know, it's 0:15:58.960 --> 0:16:01.280 just that one on one. Let's see how bad that 0:16:01.360 --> 0:16:05.120 they are there. Let's see either either Chauncey Golston is 0:16:06.160 --> 0:16:07.880 going to be the next LT or you know, these 0:16:07.880 --> 0:16:10.560 guys are awesome or they can't block, you know what 0:16:10.600 --> 0:16:13.000 I mean. Let's figure that out because that's when they'll 0:16:13.000 --> 0:16:15.280 go into it and to the into the season, into 0:16:15.320 --> 0:16:17.880 the heading into the season goal we need a trade 0:16:17.880 --> 0:16:19.520 for a veteran, or we need to add a veteran. 0:16:19.600 --> 0:16:22.040 But I think for now they're gonna they're gonna be optimistic. 0:16:22.120 --> 0:16:25.800 What's that Mike Tyson adage. Everybody's got a plan until 0:16:25.840 --> 0:16:27.840 they get punched in the face, punched in the mouth. 0:16:27.880 --> 0:16:30.400 I mean, that's their plan right now, is for these 0:16:30.440 --> 0:16:33.960 young guys. And from what we hear, like Farnioks working 0:16:34.000 --> 0:16:36.360 a lot at center, like they want competition at the 0:16:36.360 --> 0:16:39.080 center spot. They brought in two undrafted centers, so like 0:16:39.680 --> 0:16:41.680 they're sitting here right now thinking they've got a bunch 0:16:41.720 --> 0:16:44.840 of young guys. They're gonna push for spots. Hopefully that's true, 0:16:44.920 --> 0:16:47.960 but maybe they can maybe Labor Day weekend, we'll be like, 0:16:48.000 --> 0:16:50.280 oh my god, they gotta come on we'll spend send 0:16:50.320 --> 0:16:53.480 a sixth round pick to somebody. I mean, let's say 0:16:53.520 --> 0:16:57.680 that there's there's twenty practices at training camp. I mean, 0:16:57.680 --> 0:16:59.920 how many do we think Tyrant Smith will be playing? 0:17:00.480 --> 0:17:05.280 Practicing ten or less? Hopefully right, So, the left tackle here, 0:17:05.640 --> 0:17:07.840 the backup tackle, is going to get a lot of 0:17:07.880 --> 0:17:11.080 snaps in the in the preseason games and in practice. 0:17:11.160 --> 0:17:13.760 So you know, whoever that is, if it's Wilesco, if 0:17:13.760 --> 0:17:16.040 it's Josh Ball, if it's a combination or both, maybe 0:17:16.119 --> 0:17:18.119 Terrence Steele gets some reps at the left side. So 0:17:18.240 --> 0:17:21.240 and going against one's going against one, yeah, going against 0:17:21.359 --> 0:17:23.479 you know, maybe Micro rushes out of there too. So 0:17:23.720 --> 0:17:25.719 I think I think that whoever it is is going 0:17:25.760 --> 0:17:27.600 to get a lot of work at camp. I bet 0:17:27.680 --> 0:17:30.440 that's a wonderful point. And I mean, maybe Tyler Smith 0:17:30.520 --> 0:17:32.800 is such a stud that he can just kick out 0:17:32.800 --> 0:17:36.760 to tackle and move seamlessly. If not, I wonder if 0:17:36.800 --> 0:17:39.959 they would try to ask Steele to be their emergency 0:17:40.040 --> 0:17:43.359 left tackle and Ball or well, let's go can be 0:17:43.359 --> 0:17:45.840 a right right tackle. Yeah, you know, I actually was 0:17:45.880 --> 0:17:48.399 wondering about that. They made it. They made it sound 0:17:48.400 --> 0:17:51.159 like during the press conference that they were going to 0:17:51.240 --> 0:17:53.680 try to during camp, give him some opportunities to kind 0:17:53.720 --> 0:17:56.359 of flip out to tackle and play some some tackle. 0:17:57.040 --> 0:17:59.720 I don't actually think that's the greatest idea if you 0:17:59.720 --> 0:18:02.280 want to be your starting guard this year. My thought is, 0:18:02.320 --> 0:18:05.240 as a rookie, get let him focus on guard, let 0:18:05.280 --> 0:18:07.399 those other guys look at look at those other guys 0:18:07.400 --> 0:18:10.480 that swing tackles, and give him the opportunity to be 0:18:10.520 --> 0:18:12.320 the best guard he could possibly be. Do you guys 0:18:12.359 --> 0:18:16.720 agree with that? Yes, it's easy to say until DeMarcus 0:18:16.760 --> 0:18:19.359 Lawrence breaks his foot and Randy Gregory gets sick, and 0:18:19.400 --> 0:18:22.000 all of a sudden, you're like, all the week I'm 0:18:22.000 --> 0:18:24.720 making and I'm making a comparison to last year. Yeah, 0:18:24.760 --> 0:18:27.600 and Micah didn't play edge and training camp through, so 0:18:28.480 --> 0:18:30.560 we keep comparing this guy to Mica though I don't 0:18:30.600 --> 0:18:34.840 like that. I'm sorry, I'm not comparing him. I'm saying 0:18:34.960 --> 0:18:37.920 the asks of a guy like this are similar, though. 0:18:37.960 --> 0:18:40.199 I mean, they liked him enough to draft him. There 0:18:40.200 --> 0:18:42.080 were other guys on their board, There were defenders on 0:18:42.119 --> 0:18:44.120 their board they could have taken, and they said this 0:18:44.240 --> 0:18:46.879 is the one. So that comes with a certain degree 0:18:46.880 --> 0:18:49.680