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Speaker 1: have who have fought and bled for this country. They

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Speaker 1: come back and now they're told, sorry, you can't, because

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Speaker 1: you know, you saw a psychologist to help you reacclimate

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Speaker 1: into the country you were fighting for. You don't get

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Speaker 1: to own a firearm. I mean, what, what little left

435
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Speaker 1: wing punk legislator is gonna make that case to the

436
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Speaker 1: American people? I mean, I don't know. Maybe some will,

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Speaker 1: but they they wouldn't thought. What they would do is

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Speaker 1: they would say they would leave it kind of as

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Speaker 1: a gray area of well, you know, mental health, and

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Speaker 1: it will be on a case by case basis, and

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Speaker 1: then they would just try to exclude as many people

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Speaker 1: as possible. Ah, but you know Colby. So Colbert is saying,

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Speaker 1: because let's do these things that wouldn't have stopped this shooting.

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Speaker 1: Why won't you do those things? To which I also

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Speaker 1: want to respond, why don't you know anything about the

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Speaker 1: subject matter? If you're going to uh browbeat people, if

447
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Speaker 1: you're if you're going to be lecturing America, if you

448
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Speaker 1: are so lucky as all of these people are. I

449
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Speaker 1: work in media. I talent, I see hard work. I

450
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 1: also see a lot of luck and a lot of

451
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 1: knowing the right people are being related to the right

452
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Speaker 1: people and you know, and those are the people I

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Speaker 1: find who are the least grateful for there the ones

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Speaker 1: who had to fight every step of the way to

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Speaker 1: to get that show, to get that uh, that position

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Speaker 1: on TV or radio or wherever it is. They appreciate

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Speaker 1: it and they're they have they have a humility that

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Speaker 1: is absent from those who just kind of you know,

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Speaker 1: get handed at all, or at least in appreciation, if

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Speaker 1: not a humility. Uh. And there's there's no sense of

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Speaker 1: appreciation that I you see from these different late night

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Speaker 1: hosts to one of lectures. I mean, you've got you've

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Speaker 1: got people who are not even American who are lecturing

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Speaker 1: us here on the Second Amendment. You've got I don't

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Speaker 1: maybe they've become permanent residents, so please I don't know,

466
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Speaker 1: you've got that British guys like you know, I've got

467
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Speaker 1: I haven't got these problems in my own country. I'm

468
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Speaker 1: from the UK lecture Americans in all this. It's like,

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Speaker 1: first of all, the UK has a whole lot of

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Speaker 1: non violent gun crime that they don't even want to

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Speaker 1: talk about. Uh. And we're a different country from the

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Speaker 1: UK in part because we had guns in this country.

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Speaker 1: So the the history of this is like when Piers

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Speaker 1: Morgan was here, was like, I'm Pays Morgan, I'm going

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Speaker 1: to the next show Americans. I'm going to take a

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Speaker 1: show on CNN. I mean the fact that they gave

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Speaker 1: that guy a show and then he made his signature

478
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Speaker 1: issue guns and he's like, you know, I've never loved

479
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Speaker 1: I've never loved, like, never never fired a gun before. Um,

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Speaker 1: he knew nothing about any of this, but thought he

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Speaker 1: should lecture the American people out it because it's virtue signaling,

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Speaker 1: because it's what I was saying before, which maybe then

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Speaker 1: brings me to the other part of this, which I said,

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Speaker 1: there are two big political impulses at work. You have

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Speaker 1: the desire to show that you're not one of those

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Speaker 1: uh you know, trucker hat wearing NASCAR, watching Budweiser, drinking

487
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Speaker 1: American flag waving Americans. You're not one of those people

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Speaker 1: because you dislike guns. You know you are. You know,

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Speaker 1: you live in in Bushwick, which is part of Brooklyn

490
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Speaker 1: here in New York and and you you know, may

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Speaker 1: your own pickles and and drive a bicycle to work,

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Speaker 1: and you know, I mean all that stuff. Right, if

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Speaker 1: you dislike guns, you're or if you're one of those

494
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Speaker 1: people and you want to show your dislike for guns,

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Speaker 1: you are really signaling that you are part of the

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Speaker 1: in group. You're part of the cool group, the ethical, moral,

497
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Speaker 1: smart people. Same thing with climate change, by the way,

498
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Speaker 1: an issue where we're told all the time you need

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Speaker 1: a scientific background to have an opinion, unless your opinion

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Speaker 1: is that climate change is a threat to all of

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Speaker 1: mankind and then mankind microaggression. Buck settle it down, man,

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Speaker 1: He's just like enforcing the patriarchy. Uh no, there there's

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Speaker 1: no scientific background or knowledge needed if you go along

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Speaker 1: with the consensus opinion. But if you're somebody who who

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Speaker 1: questions or at least wants a little bit more proof,

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Speaker 1: then all of a sudden you need to have a

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Speaker 1: PhD in the field. And even if you did have

508
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Speaker 1: a PhD in the field, they would say that you

509
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Speaker 1: were bought by the oil companies that they don't care.

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Speaker 1: It's about social sign other part of this is government

511
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Speaker 1: just the government has to do something, because the government

512
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Speaker 1: fixes things. There there is not, always, in fact, a

513
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Speaker 1: way for the government to just make the problem go away. Democrats.

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Speaker 1: At the core of what the American left believes is

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Speaker 1: that there's nothing really outside the province of the state,

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Speaker 1: the big s state, meaning the in this case, the

517
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Speaker 1: federal government. They can involve themselves than anything, and it

518
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Speaker 1: is their right to try and fix anything. This is

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Speaker 1: a fundamental philosophical political difference between left and right in

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Speaker 1: this country. It's really other than perhaps some moral and

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Speaker 1: ethical areas and belief in a traditional religion at a

522
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Speaker 1: more orthodox not orthodox as a Christian, but orthodox as

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Speaker 1: in the way it's supposed to be interpretation of the

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Speaker 1: relationship between man and God traditionally. That's a separate way

525
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 1: that you can separate out a lot of the left

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00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 1: and right in this country, although not entirely, I know

527
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 1: there's crossover, but on the issue of the role of

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Speaker 1: the state and government, that is one of the most

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Speaker 1: important and most profound separations that exist. And here we

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Speaker 1: have a tragedy. People are and it's it's it's mass murder.

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Speaker 1: When you say tragedy, I also it's not a tragedy

532
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Speaker 1: like what's happened with the hurricanes, which is a natural disaster,

533
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 1: which is just something that happens. What happened in Las

534
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 1: Vegas never should have happened, and it is not bad

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Speaker 1: luck it is evil, right, These are these are distinctions

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Speaker 1: that we must keep in mind. But just because something

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Speaker 1: is evil and just because someone chose evil, does not

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Speaker 1: mean that laws are going to fix the problem. There

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Speaker 1: is no legal fix to what this individual did because

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Speaker 1: he did not care about the law, he did not

541
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Speaker 1: care about living. He killed himself, which I given all

542
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Speaker 1: the other meticulous planning, you would have to think that

543
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 1: that was his plan all along. But we are not

544
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Speaker 1: allowed to have a an adult conversation with the left

545
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Speaker 1: on this issue because for them, it's all about your

546
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 1: You're not a good person if you support the Second Amendment,

547
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 1: You're not a good person. Supporting the uh tens of

548
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 1: millions of legal gun owners and their rights in this

549
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 1: country is irrelevant to the left because any support of

550
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Speaker 1: gun rights is somehow tantamount to not caring enough about

551
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Speaker 1: what happened in Las Vegas. That's what. That's what the

552
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 1: real core of the issues. By the way, in case

553
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 1: it wasn't enough, he even had Brian Williams rush in

554
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Speaker 1: on this way. You know there there I was on

555
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Speaker 1: the beaches of Normandy talking about gun control. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know, Brian Williams, the the the fabulous and fantasist himself. Um,

557
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 1: here's what he had to say about gun control. Why

558
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Speaker 1: don't we act? What? What is the problem? What was

559
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 1: it about first graders losing their lives that wasn't sad

560
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: enough to result in changes? Nobody said it wasn't sad enough, Brian.

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Speaker 1: It's what was the change supposed to be? But you know,

562
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Speaker 1: he's he's not quite as welcome as he used to

563
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Speaker 1: be at the fancy parties on Nantucket and the Vineyard

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Speaker 1: and the Hampton's, but he still wants people that are

565
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Speaker 1: there when he does get invited. Now, you know, he's

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Speaker 1: kind of a a c team player in that world

567
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 1: of hyper elite journalism. Uh. He wants them to think

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00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 1: though well of him as much as they can, and

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Speaker 1: to make this this argument that really just turns into

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Speaker 1: emotional blackmail. Right, agree with me, or or you're mean

571
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Speaker 1: and hateful and a bad person and don't care about

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Speaker 1: dead children. This is what Brian Williams will do. Well,

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Speaker 1: it's not even enough to use the most recent tragedy

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Speaker 1: as emotional blackmail. Well, they'll reach back to Sandy Hook

575
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Speaker 1: and say, well, you know, and that was democrats, I

576
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 1: should note weren't willing to do what Obama wanted them

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Speaker 1: to do on that. You know, there are some Democrat holdouts.

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Speaker 1: All right, we'll talk more about this and uh. And

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Speaker 1: also in the second hour, I promised you we would

580
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 1: get into discussion about UM, a discussion about Sephardism and

581
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 1: separatism at home and abroad. It's gonna be a bit philosophical,

582
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:23,839
Speaker 1: but I think it's it's interesting. There's a lot going

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Speaker 1: on right now, Kurdistan, Catalonia, all kinds of places that

584
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 1: want to create their own little countries. What happens there

585
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 1: and what happens if people want to do that here.

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00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 1: I really believe that if if there are certain politicians

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Speaker 1: that um, the wake up call didn't come when twenty

588
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Speaker 1: six year olds were murdered. I just I can't imagine

589
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 1: that this shooting of perhaps fellow Republicans, um music, country music,

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Speaker 1: class Democrats, America. Oh the view there you go, uh

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Speaker 1: references fellow Republicans there. This is uh, this is appalling,

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Speaker 1: But this is what you get people who want to

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Speaker 1: show their side needing the left, the Democrats, the progressives,

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00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 1: however you want to define it, that they care and

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00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:25,360
Speaker 1: the big bad mean Republicans, don't we we should be unsurprised.

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00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:31,359
Speaker 1: I I suppose that the view has absolutely nothing of

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Speaker 1: substance to add to the conversation on gun control or

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Speaker 1: really on anything for that matter. Ever, I think that's fair.

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00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 1: I think that the View is not where you should

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Speaker 1: go for substance. If it's how to make the best

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Speaker 1: summer freeze a salad, or what Kim Kardashian is wearing,

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00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 1: or or whichever. Who's the more famous Kardashian now, the

603
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: younger one, Kylie, thank you dramas Kylie Kardashian, um Amy?

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00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 1: Who's who is the best Kardashian? So I know? So

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00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 1: I sound like I know what's going on? Do we know?

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00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 1: You don't have nothing. She's not even she's waving me off.

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00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 1: You can't even tell me point are being? The View

608
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 1: is for that kind of stuff. The View is not

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00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 1: for serious conversations, in my opinion. But if they're going

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00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 1: to have serious conversations, if they're gonna stray from talking

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00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:25,240
Speaker 1: about the Kardashians and the I don't you know whatever,

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00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 1: I keep going to the car. That's what my go to.

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00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 1: You know, whatever reality TV show now breakup is happening

614
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 1: or something. At least do a little research. You know,

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00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 1: here you have Sonny Houston, who I know is a

616
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Speaker 1: legal analyst, a lawyer. I think she worked as a prosecutor.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying that she isn't capable of doing the

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00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 1: research and learning about this subject matter and having something

619
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 1: to add. But just saying that Republicans are meanings who

620
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 1: don't care about dead children is not an argument. It's

621
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Speaker 1: not okay, And they really need to stop doing this.

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Speaker 1: They really really need to um not pretend that this

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Speaker 1: is about the good people. Uh, those who want to

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Speaker 1: ban guns, which is largely with the conversation is now

625
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 1: banning guns versus the bad people, those who are like, well,

626
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Speaker 1: there are three out of billion guns in existence. It's

627
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Speaker 1: a constitucly protected right. And uh of legal gun owners

628
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 1: never break any laws of any consequence, never mind actually

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Speaker 1: breaking a firearms law. So, but that's the adult conversation.

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Speaker 1: They don't want to have the adult conversation. He's holding

631
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Speaker 1: the line for America, his back. I welcome back team.

632
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 1: I know that a discussion about a referendum in a

633
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 1: part of Spain may not necessarily get all that much

634
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 1: attention in our media, because what does this have to

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00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 1: do with any of us. Well, it could this Cataloni

636
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:04,320
Speaker 1: in independence referendum that just happened, Catalonia being a region

637
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 1: of Spain, it could result in a domino effect of

638
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 1: other state within a state, actors in the EU deciding

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00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:18,840
Speaker 1: that they want to separate the The Flemish who are

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00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 1: currently in Belgium, for example, may want to break off

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Speaker 1: on their own. People forget that even within a lot

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Speaker 1: of the countries of the EU, there are different linguistic

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Speaker 1: and cultural separations that are really nations within a broader nation,

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Speaker 1: within a larger nation state, and they are held together,

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Speaker 1: have been held together for a while now, but there

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00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 1: have always been these cracks, these seams, these places where

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Speaker 1: separation was real and lingered on um. And what we

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Speaker 1: see with Catalonia is that finally now there may be

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Speaker 1: action here, there may be a real movement to separate.

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Speaker 1: And here's why it matters for us. Before before I

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Speaker 1: tell you about the specifics of the Catalonia referendum, um,

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Speaker 1: and what's the Catalan people deciding that they want to

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Speaker 1: go their own way? Uh, they can go their own way,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Uh? That was actually more

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Speaker 1: off key than I honestly would be if I got

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Speaker 1: another shot at that, but think about it in this context.

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Speaker 1: The state of California in the US often has moments

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Speaker 1: in time at least where there's a surge in separatist

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Speaker 1: sentiment people think of removing themselves from these United States

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Speaker 1: through a referendum process by voting to so see. Now,

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Speaker 1: California doesn't do it, and I think that they're not

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Speaker 1: going to any time soon. But we should at least

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Speaker 1: be familiar with the debate, the question and the answers

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Speaker 1: such as they are about, well, why can't a state

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Speaker 1: within a state or within a nation state succede? Right?

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Speaker 1: Why we have an interesting history in this country. Let's

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Speaker 1: let's start from the US perspective, and then we'll take

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Speaker 1: a look at Catalonia. Right, So we'll we'll do this

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Speaker 1: in perhaps reverse order. Usually I would tell you what's

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Speaker 1: going on there and then talk a bit about how

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Speaker 1: it relates to what's happening here to your life here

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Speaker 1: in the United States, and make this meaningful beyond just

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Speaker 1: knowing stuff, which one of my favorite parts of this

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Speaker 1: show is the learning of different stuff and getting to

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Speaker 1: share it with all of you and try to add

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Speaker 1: whatever inside or background or knowledge I may or may

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Speaker 1: not have in any particular topic of but in the

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Speaker 1: context of our own history and this country, we chose

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Speaker 1: to secede from our nation state. I mean that in

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Speaker 1: the US mind as well. Of course we did right well.

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Speaker 1: At the time, it was radical at the time of

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Speaker 1: their colonies. A decision to separate from what was the

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Speaker 1: most powerful nation state in the world, England was radical

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Speaker 1: and revolutionary. Hence the American Revolution. So go back and

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Speaker 1: read the words of the Declaration of Independence, and you

686
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:30,760
Speaker 1: see that we have our founding is premised upon the

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Speaker 1: right to determine for ourselves, our future and for our posterity.

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Speaker 1: But also that there comes a time when enough is

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Speaker 1: enough and the nation state, the overlord, the monarchy, whatever

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Speaker 1: it may be. In our case and the revolution it

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Speaker 1: was England and King George, but whomever it may be,

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Speaker 1: has been too disconnected or too oppressive, or unfair or abusive,

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Speaker 1: and you're done. Now that's the origin of our own

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Speaker 1: nation state. And then you look at the Civil War

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Speaker 1: and the history of preventing secession that we also have

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Speaker 1: or we said nope, not only are we not okay

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Speaker 1: with this um or not only was the union not okay,

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Speaker 1: but this clearly the Confederacy was, but we will fight,

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Speaker 1: we will use force to maintain the union. Now, now

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Speaker 1: these are huge and weighty questions when posed as whether

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Speaker 1: we're talking about revolution or the civil war and what

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Speaker 1: those parameters were. And I mean you could write and

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Speaker 1: whole books have been written on the issues of our

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Speaker 1: right to our our right to separate from Great Britain,

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Speaker 1: the United Kingdom, and also our right or Lincoln's decision

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Speaker 1: and uh and the civil war that followed. Um. All

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Speaker 1: of that is weighty and subject matter. That that certainly

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Speaker 1: is is worth lots of time, as it has been

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Speaker 1: given lots of time. But in a more simple way,

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Speaker 1: we should keep in mind what are the parameters of

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Speaker 1: acceptable versus unacceptable separatism separatist movements? There are, in fact

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Speaker 1: movements around the world in many different countries. Uh, some

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Speaker 1: have been successful. I mean there have been countries that

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Speaker 1: have been formed in recent years, Kosovo, for example, South Sudan.

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Speaker 1: You can run down a list. There have been quite

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Speaker 1: a few of them. Home probably be talking to you.

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Speaker 1: And just a bit here about the latest on Kurdistan,

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00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 1: which is the Kurdish area of northern Iraq and the

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00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 1: prospects for it being a state unto itself. But focusing

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Speaker 1: in for a moment, just on on the broader concept.

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Speaker 1: It's fine to say that everyone of a certain age

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Speaker 1: in a certain place gets to vote, but drawing those

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Speaker 1: boundaries around the place makes a huge difference, right, because

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Speaker 1: it's not just that each individual gets to vote. It's well,

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Speaker 1: what group of individuals? What constitutes UH for the purposes

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Speaker 1: of democracy, what's a quorum? What's acceptable? What's enough to

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Speaker 1: make a determination for the future of a region. If

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Speaker 1: you have a city that wants to in the I

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Speaker 1: guess the ancient Greek model, for example, the city state, right,

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Speaker 1: the city state unto itself. Now people think of Athens, oh,

731
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Speaker 1: a great city in ancient Greece, the Golden Age of Greece.

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Speaker 1: They often don't know UM. And if one reads the

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Speaker 1: uh Sucidities history of the Peloponnesian War, you certainly get

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Speaker 1: a sense of this, because why is Athens fighting in Syracuse,

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Speaker 1: And why are all these other islands in the in

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Speaker 1: the Aegean and the Mediterranean, why are they a part

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Speaker 1: of the war between Athens and Sparta known as the

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Speaker 1: Peloponnesian War. Well, it's because Athens had tributaries which were

739
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Speaker 1: really colonies of the city state of Athens, and Sparta

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Speaker 1: did as well, but Athens actually had a vast because

741
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Speaker 1: of its maritime power, are a vast empire that it

742
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: didn't refer to in those terms, but it really was,

743
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Speaker 1: but a city state as its own And and the Vatican,

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00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 1: for Vatican City is it is its own country, but

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00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 1: not really but it is it technically is, but we

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00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 1: all know it's not really not really a country. The

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00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 1: Swiss Guards not about to be like, oh, yes, we're

748
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:24,919
Speaker 1: taking over your country next door, you know, all few

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Speaker 1: hundred of them or whatever it may be. Uh. The

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Speaker 1: city state, the city that decides that it wants to

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Speaker 1: separate from a larger country, is that acceptable? Why or

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Speaker 1: why not? You have Quebec in uh. In Canada as

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Speaker 1: and in the Quebec quas and French Canadians have been

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00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 1: thinking about separating from Canada for a long time. They

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Speaker 1: haven't done it, but their culturally linguistically distinct, not entirely

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Speaker 1: separate from, but distinct from some of the Canadians. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And I'm sure listening somewhere right now there's a guy

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00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:01,280
Speaker 1: named Pierre's like, that's right to mensieur. We are very different.

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Speaker 1: We like the cold weather, but also the what is

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Speaker 1: the or putine poutine um, which is the dish of

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00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:19,840
Speaker 1: uh French fries that is eaten with gravy on it,

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00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 1: I think in France. So yes, there are also culinary differences.

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Speaker 1: But how do you make these determinations because if you

764
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 1: want to separate, I mean, this is where you really

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Speaker 1: get into this discussion, and whether we're talking about Catalonia

766
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:36,879
Speaker 1: or California, how do you make these distinctions about what's

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00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 1: an acceptable threshold for voting two succeed, what's an acceptable

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00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 1: threshold for removing oneself from the the greater nation state

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00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:56,399
Speaker 1: system that ones in because the nation state you're talking

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Speaker 1: about tax dollars. I mean, in the case of Catalonia

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Speaker 1: in Spain, which is this region that's right between think

772
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:04,880
Speaker 1: of the Iberian Peninsula, which is Spain and Portugal, and

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00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:09,279
Speaker 1: Catalonia is tucked up in the northeastern corner. It's uh

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Speaker 1: analogous to the Kingdom of Aragon if you're somebody who

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00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 1: cares about history of medieval Europe. But Catalonia they have

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Speaker 1: their own police force, they have their own administration of government.

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00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 1: At some level, there's still a part of Spain, but

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Speaker 1: they represent twenty of Spanish GDP, which also means they're

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00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 1: a big chunk of the revenue for a country that

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00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 1: has spent itself way into debt and is not about

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00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 1: to happily separate itself from and even territories, especially because

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Speaker 1: the domino effect is very real. If Catalonia in Spain,

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Speaker 1: which just had this referendum, uh, if it breaks away,

784
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 1: well what about the Basque region. In fact, there has

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00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 1: been a Basque separatist group, the e t A, that

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00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:00,840
Speaker 1: has used violence. It's it's a terrorist organization ation that

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00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 1: has wanted to separate from Spain. So you might have

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Speaker 1: Catalonia with Barcelona or if you want to be I

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00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:10,799
Speaker 1: don't speak Spanish at all, so for me this is

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00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 1: I'm totally totally a pretender here. But people I know

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00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:18,320
Speaker 1: say Barcelona, uh. And that's one of the distinguishing characteristics.

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Speaker 1: If you're if you're one of the cool folks who

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00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 1: has visited Spain and and knows your lingo and knows

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00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 1: the different pronunciations, it's not Barcelona, it's Barcelona. But if

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Speaker 1: you look at the Basque region, you have bill Bao,

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00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:37,879
Speaker 1: Spain um and that's another place that's the main city,

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00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 1: and that's another place that may want to break off.

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00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 1: And you know, if the Spanish say yes to Catalonia,

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Speaker 1: they may have to say yes to uh to the

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Speaker 1: Basque region, and there could be more right. If the

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Speaker 1: Catalans get their way, maybe the Masks will get their

802
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 1: way too. And now you have the the integrity and

803
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:55,839
Speaker 1: the this is the real core of it all. The

804
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 1: legitimacy of a state comes into question when you have

805
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 1: state let's carved out from within it. So the very

806
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:07,799
Speaker 1: legitimacy of Spain might come into questions. And this is

807
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 1: now why we see a moment of of freak out.

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00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:14,959
Speaker 1: I mean, you have the Spanish king, which I don't

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Speaker 1: think that's a particularly useful a particularly useful voice to

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00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:24,839
Speaker 1: weigh in right now, um, but he has accused them

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Speaker 1: publicly as of today, of unacceptable disloyalty in this whole process.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that the king's voice is the one

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00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 1: that when you're talking about separatist movements and and seceding. Um,

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure you want the monarch of that state

815
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 1: that that in the twenty one century, and I think

816
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:47,360
Speaker 1: that sends a strange message. It might even be a

817
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:51,799
Speaker 1: bit counterproductive. Um, But now here we are with the

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00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:55,719
Speaker 1: prospect of a Spanish state that, if it doesn't find

819
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:57,919
Speaker 1: a way to cobble us all back together, could be

820
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 1: in a process of dissolving. And from what the police

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Speaker 1: did at some of these polling stations in Catalonia over

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Speaker 1: the weekend, where police, because the local Catalan police, we're

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Speaker 1: unwilling to shut down these polling stations. Spanish law, the

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Speaker 1: Spanish federal government, the national government said that this this

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Speaker 1: was an illegal referendum and that people weren't allowed to vote. Well,

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Speaker 1: once you start telling people who have the franchise, who

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Speaker 1: are able to vote in other ways, that they're not

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Speaker 1: allowed to vote on this one, I think that makes

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Speaker 1: them want to push the case even more, and it

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Speaker 1: certainly did of those who voted in this referendum want

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Speaker 1: to separate from formally separate from Spain and set up

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Speaker 1: their own country. This also has implications for Kurdistan, for

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Speaker 1: the Kurdish region of northern Iraq, which I'll talk to

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Speaker 1: you about in just a moment. And I wanted to

835
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Speaker 1: note that what is the reason that we give What

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Speaker 1: would happen in this country if California did decide which

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Speaker 1: they won't because they are feeding at the federal trough,

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00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:05,280
Speaker 1: my friends, make no mistake about it. But what would

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00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:08,359
Speaker 1: happen if California said, you know what, we we want

840
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Speaker 1: to just do our own thing. We don't want to

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Speaker 1: be part of the United States, We just want to

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00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 1: be the state, the nation state of California. Now, that

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00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:19,800
Speaker 1: would mean that Republicans win every election for the foreseeable

844
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Speaker 1: future at the national level without those votes in the

845
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:25,400
Speaker 1: electoral College. That's a little side effect of all this.

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Speaker 1: But what is the argument that we make. How do

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Speaker 1: we tell a group that they are not allowed to

848
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 1: vote to form their own state just because it's more

849
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 1: complicated than many of us want to believe at first? Uh,

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00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 1: you know, whoever determines the parameters of who can vote

851
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 1: is already making a massive determination about the future of

852
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 1: those people. And if you're saying that you're not allowed

853
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:58,400
Speaker 1: to have self determination because this area is too small

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00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:01,280
Speaker 1: or this area is too important to larger hole, whether

855
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 1: it's California, Rhode Island, who knows. I mean, this is

856
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 1: a discussion I think that will be coming. By the way,

857
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 1: with Puerto Rico, you know, does it does it want

858
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 1: to become a state. If not, why and what happens?

859
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 1: And now they're not going to vote to succeed and

860
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:19,239
Speaker 1: they like being a part of U. S. Territory, they

861
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 1: like being U. S. Citizens. But these are all questions

862
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 1: that we should be willing to wrestle with because the

863
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:27,800
Speaker 1: answers are not obvious and not apparent all the time

864
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 1: and the moment we take it from what is overseas

865
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 1: and make it more real for us by saying, okay,

866
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 1: what about a U. S. State? What would happen if

867
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 1: and look at how cultural would divide it. We are

868
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 1: it's not that insane, it's not that beyond the pale

869
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 1: to think that a US state could, at some point

870
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 1: in the future decide that it would want to separate

871
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:53,839
Speaker 1: from the United States. And if they were willing to

872
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:57,319
Speaker 1: cut themselves off from all federal money and all now

873
00:52:57,360 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 1: people would say, buck the federal infrastructure that's there, do

874
00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 1: they get to keep it? And there's all these complexities.

875
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:06,360
Speaker 1: But nation states, the borders, the boundaries, the political realities

876
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 1: of them are changing all the time. And all this

877
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:12,360
Speaker 1: disruption and and shifting of borders and boundaries that we

878
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 1: see overseas Catalonia, most recently in Spain, Kurdistan and Northern Rock,

879
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 1: which I want to return to as a subject. But

880
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 1: these different debates aren't just for them. They they are

881
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 1: for us. It's just a question of when and as

882
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:29,440
Speaker 1: the political separations and the cultural separations in this country

883
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:34,759
Speaker 1: become even more stark, I think we should be very

884
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:37,920
Speaker 1: clear on what we think is acceptable and what is

885
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:42,879
Speaker 1: unacceptable when it comes to separatism and secession. Uh. This

886
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:47,799
Speaker 1: is you know, it's interesting talking about Catalonia and secession

887
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:52,239
Speaker 1: and the different states that may form, or separatism secession.

888
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 1: In other words, when you think of all of the

889
00:53:55,880 --> 00:54:00,280
Speaker 1: insurgent groups around the world that for one reason or another,

890
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 1: I mean in a lot of cases, because of the

891
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:06,880
Speaker 1: history of the nineteenth century, we think of separatist groups

892
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:12,400
Speaker 1: as being Marxist revolutionaries, groups like the farc right in Colombia,

893
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 1: which because of their well one of their their role

894
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:19,920
Speaker 1: in waging war against the Colombian state, but also the

895
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:24,840
Speaker 1: notion of a class warfare uprising as being the justification

896
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:29,800
Speaker 1: for removal from or or exiting from a nation state.

897
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 1: We take a dim view of that right um, and

898
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:39,120
Speaker 1: whether it's the jihadist separatists in Southern Philippines, the Immoral

899
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:43,400
Speaker 1: Islamic Liberation Front. They want to be liberated from the Philippines.

900
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:48,319
Speaker 1: There are even separatists, they're Muslim separatists in southern Thailand

901
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:53,840
Speaker 1: and uh you know, you look the Wagers in Western China.

902
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 1: They want to have their own state. And there are

903
00:54:56,960 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 1: many different places. So on the one hand, be consistent,

904
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 1: having moral consistency on the issue of separatism is difficult.

905
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 1: And also you have to factor in well, if we

906
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 1: okay it, if we support it for one entity in this,

907
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:15,880
Speaker 1: you know, for one group of people inside of a state,

908
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:17,840
Speaker 1: how do we say no to the others? You know,

909
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 1: the international community like stable boundaries until we don't right,

910
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:25,799
Speaker 1: we want a country to be whole, until it's Yugoslavia

911
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 1: and it has to be torn asunder. We see what

912
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:32,520
Speaker 1: happens in Ukraine. Well, that referendum is not okay. In Crimea,

913
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:34,759
Speaker 1: we say, but where is it okay and where is

914
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:37,920
Speaker 1: it not? These are important questions and I want to

915
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 1: focus on Kurdistan and the role of separatism there. He's

916
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:57,320
Speaker 1: holding the line for America. Buck Sexton his back firstly

917
00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:01,319
Speaker 1: a buck Dan from Afar. And it's continuing with our

918
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 1: theme about talking here um about everything going on in

919
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 1: the world of of separating or separating from states of separatism.

920
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:15,359
Speaker 1: And as I was saying to you, this has implications

921
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:17,279
Speaker 1: in the case of Europe, for the EU, which is

922
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 1: the largest I know, Americans, we don't like to hear this,

923
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 1: but the EU, which is a whole lot of countries

924
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:25,120
Speaker 1: put together, is the largest economy in the world. Um,

925
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:29,600
Speaker 1: and the changes that could happen there, especially in a

926
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:32,200
Speaker 1: place where when you're thinking about Europe, there's the possibility

927
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:37,360
Speaker 1: that there's always something of a possibility of violence, right that,

928
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 1: So that is something that you have to be aware

929
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 1: of when you're talking about Europe and its history. Right

930
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 1: Europe we think of now is so peaceful and oh

931
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:50,840
Speaker 1: it's all you know, croissant and uh Latte's and cobblestone streets,

932
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 1: and it's also charming and they have castles. Not long ago,

933
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:57,719
Speaker 1: a lot of different countries in Europe were well set

934
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:01,320
Speaker 1: in the world on fire and we're at each other's throats.

935
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 1: So once these fissures, these separations, these are fractures of

936
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:10,880
Speaker 1: the different European nations. Within nations, come to the four

937
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 1: people have concerns. Oh and by the way, huge opportunity

938
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:19,920
Speaker 1: here as well. For Vladimir Putin is literally like I

939
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 1: like to take the separate this movement, especially if you

940
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:26,080
Speaker 1: speak Russian and we came in and we tell you

941
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:29,840
Speaker 1: that you know you have VOLT and you can formulr

942
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 1: own country. Uh, that's one of the ways that's out

943
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 1: of the playbook. If if Putin wants to undermine NATO,

944
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 1: as so many have been saying, is his goal, and

945
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:43,480
Speaker 1: I do believe that's his goal, why wouldn't it think

946
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:45,960
Speaker 1: of it this way? If you're Vladimir Putin, wouldn't you

947
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:48,880
Speaker 1: be trying to undermine NATO? Wouldn't that be you know,

948
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 1: it's it's a military alliance that, yes, we've used for

949
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 1: other things. A lot of Americans, I think often forget

950
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:58,680
Speaker 1: or don't know that our mission in Afghanistan is under

951
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 1: the ages of under the auspices of NATO, which was

952
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:06,919
Speaker 1: formed to oppose the Warsaw Pact and and the Soviet Union.

953
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:11,280
Speaker 1: So Russia still thinks about these about the issue of

954
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:14,360
Speaker 1: NATO very differently than than we do. And if Putin

955
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:19,760
Speaker 1: is looking for openings, uh, to try and pull Europe apart,

956
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:22,840
Speaker 1: which given breaksit, I haven't even mentioned breaksit, I know.

957
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:27,080
Speaker 1: And that's another. But that's not really separatism within a nation,

958
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 1: that separatism from a supernation in a in a sense

959
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 1: right the the EU, which is a collection of different nations.

960
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:40,200
Speaker 1: But Putin's openings here are i think quite clear, especially

961
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:42,760
Speaker 1: when you move into some parts of Eastern Europe. You

962
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 1: move into the Baltics, which are yes, they're under NATO,

963
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:49,720
Speaker 1: but there are Russian speaking minorities and countries like Latvia

964
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 1: and Lithuania. And all Putin has to do, all the

965
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:55,840
Speaker 1: Kremlin has to manage, is to come up with some

966
00:58:56,520 --> 00:59:03,240
Speaker 1: pretext for uh work King or jumping in, jumping in

967
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:07,480
Speaker 1: and saying they're protecting the Russian speaking minority in a

968
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:10,840
Speaker 1: country that was formerly Soviet. And now we've gotta Now

969
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:13,920
Speaker 1: we've got a big problem because we think that the

970
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:16,440
Speaker 1: response that we would have, or that NATO would have

971
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:19,760
Speaker 1: would always be overwhelming and immediate. So Putin would never

972
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 1: dare well, if the political calculation changes, the military response

973
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 1: from NATO would change too. But that's These are just

974
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:28,640
Speaker 1: the different ways that this plays out in a manner

975
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:32,920
Speaker 1: that effects us on the on the global stage. Uh

976
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:36,040
Speaker 1: And and how Europe, which is full of many of

977
00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 1: our closest allies, is affected by this notion of people

978
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:43,480
Speaker 1: who want to break away. And as I said, in America,

979
00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:45,920
Speaker 1: we have sympathy for it because of the revolution, but

980
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:49,960
Speaker 1: we also have caution because of the Civil War, and ultimately,

981
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:53,400
Speaker 1: in some cases, all that keeps a state together is force.

982
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 1: If enough people in a place that has an idea,

983
00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:01,600
Speaker 1: especially if it has a geographic identity and and is

984
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:05,680
Speaker 1: define herble, if enough people want to do their own thing,

985
01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:09,480
Speaker 1: why can't they because there's a law from people that

986
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:12,120
Speaker 1: aren't living there that says that they can't. I mean,

987
01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:15,160
Speaker 1: you know, you see how this is. This is one

988
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:19,080
Speaker 1: of the more interesting in the post Treaty of Westphilia era,

989
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:22,800
Speaker 1: the Treaty of West Failure from sixty eight. Uh. We've

990
01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:26,600
Speaker 1: thought of nation states as being these stable entities, even

991
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:28,560
Speaker 1: though they're in constant flux. Right, we think of a

992
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:31,840
Speaker 1: nation state, Oh, well, that's the country of Well, it's

993
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:38,120
Speaker 1: largely a perception. Most countries are not defined by geography

994
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:41,240
Speaker 1: that they're divided. They're defined by the extent of their

995
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:47,000
Speaker 1: ability to project force. Right, I'll stop projecting the force

996
01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 1: of my state here. You stop projecting the force of

997
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 1: your state there. We've got a boundary and nowhere is

998
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 1: that more apparent um or at least you could argue,

999
01:00:57,400 --> 01:00:59,560
Speaker 1: I know people are gonna say, what about in Africa,

1000
01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:03,120
Speaker 1: But nowhere is this notion of boundaries that are just created,

1001
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:09,120
Speaker 1: uh more apparent other places? Perhaps equally so then in

1002
01:01:09,160 --> 01:01:12,160
Speaker 1: the Middle East, where you have a number of countries

1003
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:17,560
Speaker 1: that have been formed by external powers that cobble together

1004
01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:21,000
Speaker 1: all these different nations and entities into one. This is

1005
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:26,960
Speaker 1: why you have among the punditocracy discussions of Iraq as

1006
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:32,040
Speaker 1: the Middle East, Yugoslavia. Right, Yugoslavia. Now we're familiar with

1007
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:36,560
Speaker 1: these different groups Serbs and Croats and all these Albanians

1008
01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:39,760
Speaker 1: and all these different groups that are you know, have

1009
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:43,640
Speaker 1: Slavs and you have Albanians, you have crow They're all

1010
01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:45,640
Speaker 1: together in this one state. What do they really have

1011
01:01:45,720 --> 01:01:48,960
Speaker 1: in common? Well, Tito, the strong man of Yugoslavia, communist

1012
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:52,160
Speaker 1: strong man, was holding it together. And once he went

1013
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:54,240
Speaker 1: and the regime fell, there was nothing to really hold

1014
01:01:54,280 --> 01:01:57,680
Speaker 1: it together. And we had a war, we had violence.

1015
01:01:57,720 --> 01:02:00,600
Speaker 1: In fact, we had two bouts of violent in in

1016
01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:06,439
Speaker 1: Yugoslavia as they figure as that nation state devolved into

1017
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:10,960
Speaker 1: something else, and now in Iraq referred to as the

1018
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:15,640
Speaker 1: Middle East, Yugoslavia. You've got these three main groups, the

1019
01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:21,600
Speaker 1: Sunni Arabs, the Shia Arabs, and the Kurdish. They're also Muslims,

1020
01:02:21,600 --> 01:02:24,200
Speaker 1: but Kurds have they speak a different language, although they

1021
01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:29,200
Speaker 1: also speak Arabic generally in Iraq, but they have they

1022
01:02:29,240 --> 01:02:34,600
Speaker 1: speak Kurdish, and they are ethnically distinct and culturally distinct,

1023
01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:40,520
Speaker 1: and they have been operating as a state lit Uh.

1024
01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:43,760
Speaker 1: They've been operating as a as an entity within the

1025
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:48,960
Speaker 1: broader Racki entity with autonomy for quite some time. And

1026
01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:53,520
Speaker 1: we have de facto recognized that autonomy, that Kurdish autonomy

1027
01:02:53,560 --> 01:02:57,360
Speaker 1: in different periods because, for example, during the era of

1028
01:02:57,440 --> 01:03:01,000
Speaker 1: the no fly zone in Iraq, we if you looked

1029
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:03,120
Speaker 1: at the at the corridors where we were enforcing that

1030
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:06,560
Speaker 1: no fly zone, it really corresponded to the Kurdish north

1031
01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:10,520
Speaker 1: of the country and the Shia Arab majority south of

1032
01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:15,480
Speaker 1: the country, which one should note has very deep ties

1033
01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:22,040
Speaker 1: of kinship and culture to Shia majority but Persian Iran right,

1034
01:03:22,080 --> 01:03:26,400
Speaker 1: so they're the Iranians are although not entirely it's actually

1035
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:30,840
Speaker 1: only about sixty percent or so Farsi speaking ethnic Persians

1036
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:33,479
Speaker 1: in or there's also Kurds in Iran, which comes into

1037
01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:36,960
Speaker 1: play here, and there are other groups as well, but

1038
01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:41,400
Speaker 1: they are mostly uh Shia Muslim Persians, and they have

1039
01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:46,080
Speaker 1: affinity with because of being Shia, this sect of about

1040
01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:50,120
Speaker 1: fiftcent overall of global Islam. They have this connectivity to

1041
01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:54,840
Speaker 1: the Shia Arab minority in Iraq anyway, though, that's where

1042
01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:56,680
Speaker 1: we had the no fly zones in the north and

1043
01:03:56,680 --> 01:04:01,439
Speaker 1: the south of that country, and the Kurdish region has

1044
01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:05,200
Speaker 1: been operating with some degree of us, if not de

1045
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:08,000
Speaker 1: facto autonomy, at least we've been like, hey, thanks for

1046
01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:11,640
Speaker 1: keeping it stable. And we have been close allies with

1047
01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:16,080
Speaker 1: the Kurds for a long time. We have been very

1048
01:04:16,120 --> 01:04:20,760
Speaker 1: close to them on the before even the fight against ISIS,

1049
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:24,360
Speaker 1: but the fight against the Islamic State has particularly clarified

1050
01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:28,760
Speaker 1: that we can work with the Curds. That they have

1051
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:32,360
Speaker 1: kept extremism in their own midst in check, that they

1052
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:38,000
Speaker 1: operate a state that is functional and that is safe,

1053
01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:41,840
Speaker 1: and they're proving in the Middle East. They have been

1054
01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:43,600
Speaker 1: proving in the Middle East right now, given all the

1055
01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:46,280
Speaker 1: instability in that region and given that it is a

1056
01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:49,720
Speaker 1: an area of the world, as I mentioned before, whether

1057
01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:52,520
Speaker 1: you're talking about Africa, or the Middle East, where colonialism

1058
01:04:52,560 --> 01:04:57,280
Speaker 1: you had different powers, outside powers drawing up these boundaries.

1059
01:04:57,720 --> 01:05:00,520
Speaker 1: In the case the Middle East, the most famous instances

1060
01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:04,280
Speaker 1: of that or the bal Balfour Declaration, which led to

1061
01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:06,840
Speaker 1: the creation of the State of Israel and UH and

1062
01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:11,880
Speaker 1: separated out Israel and Palestinians UH and the Psyke's Pico Agreement,

1063
01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:15,720
Speaker 1: which separated the remnants of the Near East that had

1064
01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:18,880
Speaker 1: been in the Ottoman Empire hands, but they separated it

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Speaker 1: between Sykes, British and Pico French. UH. There, and I

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Speaker 1: should note um that as we look at these as

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Speaker 1: we look at these borders, and we look at how

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Speaker 1: they've been changing and been shaped by conflict, the Kurds

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Speaker 1: have been taking a different approach. We will stay within Iraq,

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Speaker 1: we will keep our area calm, we will be a

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Speaker 1: trusted partner with the United States and counter terrorism. But

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Speaker 1: we're now telling them, hey, sorry, you gotta you gotta

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Speaker 1: stay in Iraq. I mean, you've got Rex Tillerson calling

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Speaker 1: the Kurdish referendum illegitimate, and I just have to point

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Speaker 1: out that the legitimacy of a referendum is a very

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Speaker 1: very uh amorphous things. It's not clear as I was saying,

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Speaker 1: the Kurds have their own language, they have their their

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Speaker 1: their own ethnicity, and they have been distinct in many

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Speaker 1: ways from the Iraqi state for a long time. And

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Speaker 1: what is Iraq really other than a remnant of a

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Speaker 1: previous era? Now I know this is this is a

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Speaker 1: dangerous and destabilizing path to go down. You start to say, well,

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Speaker 1: why is this place even a country? There are a

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Speaker 1: lot of places where you won't have a great answer.

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Speaker 1: If someone were to say, you know, why, why is

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Speaker 1: is France even a country? You'd have a vast majority

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Speaker 1: of the French be like, because it's France and we're

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Speaker 1: we are the French, right. But there are other places

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Speaker 1: where they would say, you know, you got you got

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Speaker 1: quite a point there. I don't know In in Iraqi

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Speaker 1: is one of them. Right now. I am disconcerted. I

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Speaker 1: find it uh depressing quite honestly, that we're in this

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Speaker 1: position where we are putting stability over what I think

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Speaker 1: is a debt of honor to the Kurdish people in

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Speaker 1: in Iraq. And there's a there's differences of opinion on

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Speaker 1: what will happen in Turkey because of this, and the

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Speaker 1: p KK has been a terrorist insurgency a Marxist I

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Speaker 1: should note separatist terrorist insurgency in Turkey for decades and

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Speaker 1: has engaged in atrocities and terrorist bombings. But in the

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Speaker 1: context of Northern Iraq, I see a stalwart ally among

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Speaker 1: the Kurds in northern Iraq. They have helped us hold

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Speaker 1: the line against the Islamic State. If the Kurds had

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Speaker 1: let things go to hell in their part of the

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Speaker 1: country during the worst parts of the Iraq War, we

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Speaker 1: would have been lost, my friends. There's no way we

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Speaker 1: could have kept it together and prevented a full uh

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Speaker 1: a failed state situation with a civil war on top

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Speaker 1: of it in Iraq with regional players essentially Iraq as Syria,

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Speaker 1: that would have happened, I think were it not for

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Speaker 1: the Kurds. So right now, right now, and I know

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Speaker 1: it's it's in the background. There's all these other you know,

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Speaker 1: people want to talk about this or this or that,

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Speaker 1: you know, political issue, and oh yeah, sure, we'll get

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Speaker 1: healthcare done, you know, we'll see right. I'm I'm following

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Speaker 1: that closely too. I always prioritize on this show what

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Speaker 1: matters most to you and me in our day to

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Speaker 1: day lives because if you are kind enough and and

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Speaker 1: and do me the great honor of giving me your time.

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Speaker 1: I want to maximize the benefit of you spending time

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Speaker 1: with me here in the freedom hunt. But on the

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Speaker 1: issue of the Kurds, we've been, we are still have

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Speaker 1: US troops inter Rock. We've worked very closely with the Kurds.

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Speaker 1: I would argue that a lot of US service members

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Speaker 1: lives have been saved by the Kurds, have been saved

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Speaker 1: as a result of Kurdish counter terrorism operations against Sunni

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Speaker 1: Arab jihadah Is predominantly against Islamic state entities. And then

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Speaker 1: they have been absolutely essentially and instead of just saying

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Speaker 1: that the referendum is illegitimate, sorry, stay in Iraq. I

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Speaker 1: wish the government right now would be willing to our

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Speaker 1: government now I'm talking about, we'd be willing to say,

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Speaker 1: all right, we we should, we should work something out here.

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Speaker 1: You know, Iraq, we understand the big, big issue is

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Speaker 1: oil and the oil reserves that exist in the kerk

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Speaker 1: Cook region. Kirk Cook is a city and north northeast

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Speaker 1: Iraq or northern Iraq, not up in the Kurdish area entirely.

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Speaker 1: It's it's one of these places where there's a a

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Speaker 1: bleed over of different all these different groups, right, there's Kurds,

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Speaker 1: there's the Arabs, There's all these different groups that come

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Speaker 1: together in Kurdish and that's really one of the seams.

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Speaker 1: And if there wasn't all out civil war and Iraq

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Speaker 1: Uh the kerk Cook area which has been there's been

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Speaker 1: plenty of violence there already in the past, that would

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Speaker 1: be a place where how do you how do you

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Speaker 1: separate this out cleanly? There is no clean separation. The

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Speaker 1: oil revenue would have to be shared. That have to

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Speaker 1: find a way to make a go of it. But

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Speaker 1: I am very concerned that because we've got North Korean

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Speaker 1: in our sites, and we've we've got a lot going on,

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Speaker 1: and we've just finally, it seems, gained the not just

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Speaker 1: the upper hand, but but put the Islamic State on

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Speaker 1: the defensive and on the road to eradication in the

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Speaker 1: last twelve months or so. That I know that we

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Speaker 1: don't want to make things more complicated for ourselves. I

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Speaker 1: know that there is a desire to avoid UH stirring

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Speaker 1: things up. But I think we I think we have

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Speaker 1: an obligation. I think we have and I've seen some

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Speaker 1: of you. I've got people listen who have Turkish family

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Speaker 1: members and the Kurds in the Turks man it's it's

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Speaker 1: it's tense for a whole lot of reasons. And I

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Speaker 1: get that. I know there's a Kurdish separatist Well, there's

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Speaker 1: the p k K. As I've been saying, there's this

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Speaker 1: large sentiment that they want a big piece of Turkey,

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Speaker 1: and you know what would that mean? I get all this.

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Speaker 1: I think we owe the occurred something in northern Iraq.

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Speaker 1: People are free to disagree with me. That's mine and

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Speaker 1: I know that this is the riskier option. The safer

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Speaker 1: option is we keep Iraq together. Um, but I think

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Speaker 1: in the long run that's actually a worse option. So

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Speaker 1: and and right now, if you were to ask me

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Speaker 1: what is the most likely flashpoint for for a new

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Speaker 1: armed conflict in the Middle East, it would be over Curdistan,

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Speaker 1: whether involved the Turks or the Iraqi central government or there.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of tension right now. And as we've

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Speaker 1: been discussing, oftentimes the state just says, you know what,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be my way because I can make it

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Speaker 1: my way. It's not that there's an argument that's compelling

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Speaker 1: it's not that we want to work this through the

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Speaker 1: political process. Might makes right when it comes to separatist

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Speaker 1: tendencies inside of states, and that can have really disastrous consequences. Jerrymandering. Hey,

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Speaker 1: buck sex in here with you. Jerrymandering is going to

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Speaker 1: get looked at by the Supreme Court. This could be

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Speaker 1: very This sounds like kind of a like kind of

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Speaker 1: a snore a snore fest of a case. I think

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Speaker 1: you're like jerrymandering, right, I mean, how exciting can that be?

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Speaker 1: This has big implications. Actually, here's political reporting. Supreme Court

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Speaker 1: eyes partisan jerrymandering. Kennedy seen as swing vote that could

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Speaker 1: blunt GOPS map drawing successes. And here's what they say.

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Speaker 1: The Supreme Court wrestled Tuesday with a case that has

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Speaker 1: the potential to halt or even reverse an increasingly common

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Speaker 1: phenomenon of American political life, Republicans ability to tilt the

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Speaker 1: political playing field in their favor through the tedious task

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Speaker 1: of redrawing district lines. The politically explosive High Court fight

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Speaker 1: over so called partisan jerry mandering has the potential to

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Speaker 1: radically reshape the political scene by thrusting courts across the

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Speaker 1: country into the role of vetting district maps for excessive

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Speaker 1: partisan bias. So let me just note here. You know,

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Speaker 1: we're talking about who gets to decide who gets to

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Speaker 1: vote in the context of the rest of the world,

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Speaker 1: different countries Iraq and Kurdistan and Catalonia in Spain, and

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Speaker 1: here in our midst my friends, we have a debate

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Speaker 1: that is very similar, which is, well, what is a

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Speaker 1: district even within our country, who gets to vote for

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01:13:22,880 --> 01:13:26,320
Speaker 1: a congressman? You know, what are the boundaries of a district?

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Speaker 1: That makes a whole heck of a lot of difference

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Speaker 1: in in states and congressional districts across our entire political system.

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Speaker 1: So who draw the lines? Who draws the lines, whether

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Speaker 1: it's a political debate abroad about referendum or within our

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Speaker 1: own country, That's an incredibly important and powerful question, and

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Speaker 1: ultimately it often comes down to somebody's got to draw

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Speaker 1: the lines. Just as good in Puerto Rico, and it's

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Speaker 1: actually a much tougher situation. But now the roads are cleared,

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Speaker 1: communications starting to come back. We need their truck drivers.

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01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:09,280
Speaker 1: That drivers have to start driving truck We have to

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01:14:09,320 --> 01:14:11,600
Speaker 1: do that. So at a local level, they have to

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Speaker 1: give us pore help but I will tell you the

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Speaker 1: first responders, the military, FEMA, they have done an incredible

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Speaker 1: job in Puerto Rico. And whether it's her or anybody else,

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Speaker 1: they're all starting to say it. I appreciate very much

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01:14:26,439 --> 01:14:29,479
Speaker 1: the governor and his comments. He has said, we have

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Speaker 1: done an incredible job, and that's the truth. So there

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Speaker 1: you have the President of the United States who is

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Speaker 1: in in Puerto Rico today, visiting the the island of

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Speaker 1: that U. S territory, US citizen full of US citizens,

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Speaker 1: And you know, I just think that we should all

1225
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Speaker 1: remember how hard they were trying to push the narrative

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Speaker 1: that Trump didn't care about this wasn't doing anything. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you had FEMA there, you had thousands of FED real

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Speaker 1: government officials there, you had a a response team in

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Speaker 1: place as quickly as possible, the FEMA Operations Center doing

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Speaker 1: everything they can. It's a disaster area, it's a natural disaster.

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Speaker 1: It's obviously gonna be tough, and there will be some

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Speaker 1: uh slowdowns and delays and and it's it's an imperfect system.

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Speaker 1: But they were trying to make this into Trump's Katrina,

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Speaker 1: and I don't think they're going to be able to

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01:15:28,640 --> 01:15:34,360
Speaker 1: meaning that the two biggest areas of criticism against Bush,

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Speaker 1: which led to Pelosi becoming Speaker of the House and

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01:15:37,320 --> 01:15:39,840
Speaker 1: the Democrats coming back in the mid terms was the

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Speaker 1: Iraq War and right behind that the Bush administration's response

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Speaker 1: to Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans and Louisiana. And they

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01:15:50,800 --> 01:15:54,080
Speaker 1: remember all of the different anti Trump journalists and media

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01:15:54,080 --> 01:15:57,760
Speaker 1: outlets out there, remember how what a potent narrative that

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Speaker 1: was against Bush and would really like to replay that whole,

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01:16:03,240 --> 01:16:07,920
Speaker 1: that whole approach with the Trump administration. But they should

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01:16:07,920 --> 01:16:10,920
Speaker 1: be reporting on what's happening, not trying to create a

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Speaker 1: narrative based on you know what they would like, what

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Speaker 1: what they're hoping to use for their own purposes and

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01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:24,839
Speaker 1: their their own politicization. Uh, you know they they've seized

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Speaker 1: on this one moment where Trump was there and then

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Speaker 1: this is classic, right, I go to the Huffington Post.

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Speaker 1: What I want to know what the what the far

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01:16:32,400 --> 01:16:37,200
Speaker 1: left is thinking, saying, reading, writing, doing, and here's how

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Speaker 1: they respect. So Trump is down there, he's meeting with people,

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01:16:39,560 --> 01:16:42,960
Speaker 1: he's doing everything that he can realistically as Commander Chief.

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Speaker 1: He's in Puerto Rico. He's overseeing the discussions today about

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Speaker 1: what they're trying to do to rebuild. I I know

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Speaker 1: that it's in Puerto Rico's infrastructure is way less advanced

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Speaker 1: and developed than what you're talking about with a lot

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Speaker 1: of the mainland US and the hurricane rebuilding and that

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Speaker 1: that's been going on for a while now, you know.

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Speaker 1: But Trump is there. He's doing what he can under

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Speaker 1: the circumstances. And yeah, here's how the Huffing Post writes

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Speaker 1: about this. Trump downplays Puerto Rico suffering, says it's quote

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Speaker 1: not a real catastrophe like Katrina. Okay, now I heard

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Speaker 1: the clip in question here. He was trying to say

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Speaker 1: that it's not as bad as Katrina because there are

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Speaker 1: efforts that have been made right away to try and

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Speaker 1: make sure that they recover from this and that people

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01:17:36,360 --> 01:17:39,640
Speaker 1: aren't stranded and without food and water and medicine. And

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Speaker 1: he's trying to praise the recovery effort, which, yes, I

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Speaker 1: know that that serves his purposes. He's commander chief had

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Speaker 1: the federal government. He runs the Executive Branch, which which

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Speaker 1: runs FEMA, which is doing which is really running point

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01:17:54,520 --> 01:17:59,120
Speaker 1: on trying to bring Puerto Rico back online literally and figuratively.

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01:18:00,120 --> 01:18:03,559
Speaker 1: But two seize on his words like this, it's just petty.

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01:18:04,080 --> 01:18:06,080
Speaker 1: They know what he meant. He's saying, it's not like

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01:18:06,120 --> 01:18:09,960
Speaker 1: a trino, which which was poorly uh handled, and and

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01:18:09,960 --> 01:18:14,519
Speaker 1: and was a a a mark on the administration, the

1278
01:18:14,520 --> 01:18:17,560
Speaker 1: Bush administration's record, and something that was very difficult for

1279
01:18:17,560 --> 01:18:19,280
Speaker 1: them to shake off, and they were held to account

1280
01:18:19,320 --> 01:18:23,479
Speaker 1: for at that the election place or at the polling

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01:18:23,479 --> 01:18:27,960
Speaker 1: place rather later during an election. So I just think that,

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01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:31,880
Speaker 1: you know, when when you see all of this and

1283
01:18:31,880 --> 01:18:39,120
Speaker 1: and all the different preparations to capitalize on human suffering,

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01:18:39,280 --> 01:18:44,000
Speaker 1: on the suffering of our fellow Americans for anti Trump

1285
01:18:44,560 --> 01:18:48,760
Speaker 1: narrative creation purposes, it's just so tis I mean, this

1286
01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:51,160
Speaker 1: is why people don't trust the media. This is why

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01:18:51,280 --> 01:18:53,479
Speaker 1: they just they just don't want to They don't want

1288
01:18:53,479 --> 01:18:55,600
Speaker 1: to hear it. Now, never mind the huffining post in

1289
01:18:55,640 --> 01:18:58,439
Speaker 1: the New York Times, the same thing. You know, Trump,

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01:18:58,560 --> 01:19:02,320
Speaker 1: Trump wasn't doing enough for Pto Rico because Puerto Rico

1291
01:19:02,439 --> 01:19:08,320
Speaker 1: isn't uh you know, is is a Latino Hispanic uh island,

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01:19:08,400 --> 01:19:10,400
Speaker 1: you know, Spanish speaking island. That was one of the

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01:19:10,439 --> 01:19:12,360
Speaker 1: narratives they put out there. Oh well, that that doesn't

1294
01:19:12,360 --> 01:19:15,519
Speaker 1: seem like it's true. Well, now it's oh Trump isn't

1295
01:19:16,439 --> 01:19:18,960
Speaker 1: uh what Trump said that it's not a real catastroph

1296
01:19:18,960 --> 01:19:23,080
Speaker 1: but he's not. He's not saying it's not a terrible situation.

1297
01:19:23,640 --> 01:19:26,080
Speaker 1: He's just saying that we're making sure that it doesn't

1298
01:19:26,120 --> 01:19:32,200
Speaker 1: become like Katrina. The the unforgivable part of the response

1299
01:19:32,200 --> 01:19:34,920
Speaker 1: to Katrina was what happened after the hurricane, right, wasn't

1300
01:19:35,280 --> 01:19:38,400
Speaker 1: No one expects FEMA to be in place on the day,

1301
01:19:39,000 --> 01:19:42,160
Speaker 1: you know, making sure that no one's house gets flooded

1302
01:19:42,240 --> 01:19:44,559
Speaker 1: or blown away or you know, it's it's what do

1303
01:19:44,600 --> 01:19:47,680
Speaker 1: they do once the storm is past? And Katrina was

1304
01:19:47,760 --> 01:19:51,200
Speaker 1: insufficient and a lot of people lost their lives unnecessarily.

1305
01:19:52,160 --> 01:19:55,439
Speaker 1: He was saying that, uh, there's been a low death

1306
01:19:55,439 --> 01:19:58,160
Speaker 1: toll in Puerto Rico. That's true. Sixteen people have died

1307
01:19:58,280 --> 01:20:04,640
Speaker 1: in Puerto Rico that were unnecessary deaths caused by the storm.

1308
01:20:04,720 --> 01:20:07,320
Speaker 1: Every death in this case as a tragedy, as he said,

1309
01:20:07,360 --> 01:20:15,000
Speaker 1: but overall, given how terribly powerful that storm was, Hurricane Maria,

1310
01:20:15,520 --> 01:20:19,960
Speaker 1: that's a pretty low casualty account for a massive disaster

1311
01:20:20,080 --> 01:20:21,599
Speaker 1: like this, And he's saying, we want to keep it,

1312
01:20:22,120 --> 01:20:26,200
Speaker 1: you know, not a single not a single life. More

1313
01:20:26,240 --> 01:20:29,000
Speaker 1: should be lost and wenna keep it at sixteen. Sixteen

1314
01:20:29,120 --> 01:20:30,680
Speaker 1: is too many, but we're not gonna let it get

1315
01:20:30,720 --> 01:20:32,920
Speaker 1: to seventeen. We're not gonna let it be like a trita.

1316
01:20:33,240 --> 01:20:34,920
Speaker 1: That's what he's saying to anyone who's trying to be

1317
01:20:34,960 --> 01:20:39,040
Speaker 1: honest about what the President's intentions with regard to Puerto

1318
01:20:39,080 --> 01:20:42,919
Speaker 1: Rico are on what the President was trying to convey,

1319
01:20:43,160 --> 01:20:46,600
Speaker 1: but to to to play the the hall monitor of

1320
01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:49,160
Speaker 1: Trump's words, which the media loves to do. This, You know,

1321
01:20:49,360 --> 01:20:52,400
Speaker 1: it's these are people who their whole career, their their

1322
01:20:52,400 --> 01:20:57,000
Speaker 1: whole livelihood is based upon interpreting and understanding language. But

1323
01:20:57,080 --> 01:20:59,760
Speaker 1: all of a sudden when Trump says something, who well,

1324
01:21:00,040 --> 01:21:03,040
Speaker 1: this is a direct translation of what Trump said. So

1325
01:21:03,120 --> 01:21:05,360
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna pretend like Trump is a big, mean

1326
01:21:05,520 --> 01:21:09,960
Speaker 1: racist or a big idiot because this is directly. People

1327
01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:12,960
Speaker 1: have verbal ticks, people have different ways of speaking. I

1328
01:21:13,160 --> 01:21:16,439
Speaker 1: sound differently than a lot of the folks that call

1329
01:21:16,520 --> 01:21:19,840
Speaker 1: into the show. I have my own crutch words. I

1330
01:21:20,000 --> 01:21:23,920
Speaker 1: sometimes am in felicitous in my speech. You know, I

1331
01:21:24,120 --> 01:21:26,479
Speaker 1: could sit here and pick apart a lot of your

1332
01:21:26,560 --> 01:21:28,840
Speaker 1: hyper I'm hyper aware of them because of a radio host. Right,

1333
01:21:28,880 --> 01:21:32,400
Speaker 1: But there are things I say. I say, oh, I digress,

1334
01:21:32,479 --> 01:21:34,960
Speaker 1: and I should probably say that less, but it's just

1335
01:21:35,040 --> 01:21:37,880
Speaker 1: a way of resetting in my mind that I've gone

1336
01:21:37,920 --> 01:21:41,840
Speaker 1: off track. I was like to say, of course, um,

1337
01:21:41,840 --> 01:21:44,120
Speaker 1: that's that's a crutch phrase for me. There are others.

1338
01:21:44,320 --> 01:21:47,280
Speaker 1: But you know, Trump has his way of saying things,

1339
01:21:47,320 --> 01:21:51,280
Speaker 1: but the intent of what he's saying and the the

1340
01:21:51,360 --> 01:21:56,080
Speaker 1: purpose of his expression is not indecipherable. But the media

1341
01:21:56,120 --> 01:21:58,240
Speaker 1: just pretend. So when they say, oh, he said, it's

1342
01:21:58,280 --> 01:22:00,800
Speaker 1: not a real catastrophe, he said, it's not a real

1343
01:22:00,840 --> 01:22:04,920
Speaker 1: catastrophe like Katrina, insofar as Katrina had a large casualty

1344
01:22:05,040 --> 01:22:07,720
Speaker 1: count and was handled poorly, and this is not being

1345
01:22:07,760 --> 01:22:10,439
Speaker 1: handled poorly and does not, thank Heaven's had a large

1346
01:22:10,439 --> 01:22:14,880
Speaker 1: casualty account. He's back with you now because when it

1347
01:22:14,920 --> 01:22:18,160
Speaker 1: comes to the fight for truth, the fuck never stops.

1348
01:22:21,479 --> 01:22:25,320
Speaker 1: Fuck is back with you now, Team. I don't usually

1349
01:22:25,360 --> 01:22:28,519
Speaker 1: get into my reviews of movies here on the show

1350
01:22:28,600 --> 01:22:31,479
Speaker 1: because I know there are other shows that do that,

1351
01:22:31,840 --> 01:22:35,439
Speaker 1: um and I. I only occasionally will delve into the

1352
01:22:35,520 --> 01:22:38,920
Speaker 1: latest TV shows that I've been watching, which I may

1353
01:22:39,000 --> 01:22:41,479
Speaker 1: do in a few moments here too, because I know,

1354
01:22:41,520 --> 01:22:44,439
Speaker 1: there's a lot of places for that, but sometimes I

1355
01:22:44,479 --> 01:22:47,519
Speaker 1: find that there's something really worth discussing with you, even

1356
01:22:47,640 --> 01:22:51,479
Speaker 1: if it is a little dated, even if I'm not

1357
01:22:52,040 --> 01:22:58,120
Speaker 1: current with my pop culture reference. And I rarely get

1358
01:22:58,160 --> 01:23:02,040
Speaker 1: a chance to watch move vs. I was flying back

1359
01:23:02,080 --> 01:23:03,760
Speaker 1: from Vegas that was, you know, I was attending a

1360
01:23:03,760 --> 01:23:07,679
Speaker 1: conference there, and I that's one of the few times

1361
01:23:07,680 --> 01:23:09,120
Speaker 1: when I'll actually say, you know what, I'll do it.

1362
01:23:09,160 --> 01:23:11,759
Speaker 1: I'll sit here for ninety minutes or a hundred twenty

1363
01:23:11,760 --> 01:23:15,639
Speaker 1: minutes and I'll watch a movie. It's a five hour flight, roughly,

1364
01:23:15,840 --> 01:23:18,200
Speaker 1: I'll watch a movie for two hours, and the rest

1365
01:23:18,240 --> 01:23:20,800
Speaker 1: of the time I'll spend, of course, preparing for this

1366
01:23:21,000 --> 01:23:25,559
Speaker 1: radio show, doing research, connecting to the spotty WiFi at

1367
01:23:25,600 --> 01:23:28,120
Speaker 1: thirty five thousand feet in the air, whatever it is.

1368
01:23:29,320 --> 01:23:32,160
Speaker 1: But I was going through and I figured, this is

1369
01:23:32,200 --> 01:23:33,840
Speaker 1: gonna be another one of these times when I'm gonna

1370
01:23:33,880 --> 01:23:36,160
Speaker 1: watch a movie and I'm gonna feel like, well, that's

1371
01:23:36,479 --> 01:23:38,920
Speaker 1: two hours of my life I'm never getting back. I'm

1372
01:23:38,960 --> 01:23:41,280
Speaker 1: also a strong believer in movies should be ninety minutes.

1373
01:23:41,640 --> 01:23:44,040
Speaker 1: If it's a hundred and twenty minutes plus, it better

1374
01:23:44,120 --> 01:23:49,240
Speaker 1: be darn good, because so many movies I see would

1375
01:23:49,280 --> 01:23:51,360
Speaker 1: be great, or would be at least really good if

1376
01:23:51,360 --> 01:23:53,439
Speaker 1: they were twenty or thirty minutes shorter. And they're all,

1377
01:23:53,479 --> 01:23:55,759
Speaker 1: you know, two hours and fifteen minutes. They're all hundred

1378
01:23:55,800 --> 01:24:00,360
Speaker 1: and thirty d twenty around that range. And most movie

1379
01:24:00,400 --> 01:24:04,559
Speaker 1: should be ninety minutes, you know, three acts, bing bang, boom,

1380
01:24:04,600 --> 01:24:08,360
Speaker 1: one two three, Donzo. It should not be this extended,

1381
01:24:09,320 --> 01:24:14,320
Speaker 1: uh endless epic unless it's Braveheart or a truly phenomenal movie.

1382
01:24:14,840 --> 01:24:17,280
Speaker 1: Put a pin in the Brave Heart discussion for another time.

1383
01:24:17,320 --> 01:24:19,639
Speaker 1: We'll do the history, the real history of William Wallace

1384
01:24:19,720 --> 01:24:22,160
Speaker 1: on this show at some point in the future. Ah see,

1385
01:24:22,479 --> 01:24:25,760
Speaker 1: I've got surprises up my sleeve for you, team um.

1386
01:24:25,960 --> 01:24:28,320
Speaker 1: But I'm sitting there. I'm trying to find a movie

1387
01:24:28,320 --> 01:24:30,400
Speaker 1: to watch. The last time I was on a plane

1388
01:24:30,400 --> 01:24:33,839
Speaker 1: and watched a movie in full it was the Wolverine movie,

1389
01:24:34,240 --> 01:24:38,200
Speaker 1: which I actually thought was pretty well done for what

1390
01:24:38,240 --> 01:24:40,839
Speaker 1: it was. The most recent I think it's called Logan,

1391
01:24:41,000 --> 01:24:43,800
Speaker 1: but it's the Wolverine character from the X Men franchise,

1392
01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:46,400
Speaker 1: which I grew up loving. The X Men. I mean,

1393
01:24:46,400 --> 01:24:50,320
Speaker 1: I still remember my mom, bless her, she was well

1394
01:24:50,360 --> 01:24:53,439
Speaker 1: greatest mom in the history of the universe, getting me

1395
01:24:54,120 --> 01:25:00,360
Speaker 1: like a little Wolverine and Cyclops and Colossus figurine. You know,

1396
01:25:00,439 --> 01:25:02,120
Speaker 1: I was a kid. People play with g I Joe's.

1397
01:25:02,120 --> 01:25:03,800
Speaker 1: When I was a little I I played with the

1398
01:25:04,120 --> 01:25:06,759
Speaker 1: X Men figurines. I loved the X Men. I thought

1399
01:25:06,760 --> 01:25:11,360
Speaker 1: that Marvel comics were so cool, and uh so, I'm

1400
01:25:11,400 --> 01:25:16,000
Speaker 1: somebody who tends to be favorably disposed towards towards comic

1401
01:25:16,040 --> 01:25:20,000
Speaker 1: books made into movies and also towards just that that

1402
01:25:20,040 --> 01:25:25,000
Speaker 1: whole genre. I thought Logan was just just too violent.

1403
01:25:25,120 --> 01:25:27,679
Speaker 1: I mean, there's heads getting lopped off left and right.

1404
01:25:28,080 --> 01:25:31,360
Speaker 1: They've got this girl who's like ten, who's got claws,

1405
01:25:31,479 --> 01:25:35,559
Speaker 1: and she's ripping out people's carotic arteries and cutting off

1406
01:25:35,560 --> 01:25:38,320
Speaker 1: for morals, and it's just like whoa, It's like an

1407
01:25:38,360 --> 01:25:42,000
Speaker 1: anatomy lesson. I mean, it was really it was butchery,

1408
01:25:42,200 --> 01:25:45,800
Speaker 1: and and I I get that violence is a part

1409
01:25:45,920 --> 01:25:50,000
Speaker 1: of of drama and storytelling, but I thought I thought

1410
01:25:50,040 --> 01:25:52,639
Speaker 1: Logan was a little excessive on the violence. I just did.

1411
01:25:52,760 --> 01:25:56,600
Speaker 1: And I um appreciated that they tried something new and

1412
01:25:56,720 --> 01:26:00,800
Speaker 1: they made some good choices with the cast, and I

1413
01:26:00,880 --> 01:26:02,560
Speaker 1: get all of that, but it was too violent for

1414
01:26:02,600 --> 01:26:06,040
Speaker 1: me anyway, and also too long and dragged in places.

1415
01:26:06,760 --> 01:26:09,040
Speaker 1: But I was looking for a movie to watch, and

1416
01:26:09,880 --> 01:26:14,519
Speaker 1: I I watched a few minutes of some clunkers. There

1417
01:26:14,600 --> 01:26:18,160
Speaker 1: was there was a King Arthur movie that was available.

1418
01:26:18,200 --> 01:26:20,519
Speaker 1: These are all for free on the plane King Arthur movie,

1419
01:26:20,520 --> 01:26:23,280
Speaker 1: which I mean, this is one of the great tales

1420
01:26:24,120 --> 01:26:28,600
Speaker 1: in well all storytelling. I mean, the King Arthur and

1421
01:26:28,600 --> 01:26:32,960
Speaker 1: the Knights of the Round Table. It's just phenomenal source material.

1422
01:26:33,120 --> 01:26:39,840
Speaker 1: And this Guy Richie King Arthur update was such trash,

1423
01:26:39,880 --> 01:26:42,479
Speaker 1: all the c g I and the noise in the beginning.

1424
01:26:42,520 --> 01:26:44,479
Speaker 1: It's like a rip off of the Lord of the Rings,

1425
01:26:44,479 --> 01:26:49,000
Speaker 1: and I just thought it was a big giant mess.

1426
01:26:49,840 --> 01:26:52,200
Speaker 1: I got through ten or fifteen minutes of it and

1427
01:26:52,200 --> 01:26:54,200
Speaker 1: then I was like, well, I'm gonna go to the

1428
01:26:54,240 --> 01:26:56,040
Speaker 1: next I'm gonna go to the next thing. I'm gonna

1429
01:26:56,040 --> 01:26:59,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna move on past this. This is not going

1430
01:26:59,120 --> 01:27:01,960
Speaker 1: to gone. I gonna hold my attention. And sometimes I'll

1431
01:27:01,960 --> 01:27:04,160
Speaker 1: fast forward through a movie just to watch the action

1432
01:27:04,240 --> 01:27:06,960
Speaker 1: because action movie quote Friday, I mean, I love action

1433
01:27:07,000 --> 01:27:11,400
Speaker 1: movies and I'll just just watch the action sequences. Those

1434
01:27:11,479 --> 01:27:15,920
Speaker 1: even stunk in The guy Richie King Arthur movies. So

1435
01:27:16,439 --> 01:27:18,680
Speaker 1: I was like, this is not gonna be good. I

1436
01:27:18,760 --> 01:27:24,000
Speaker 1: got no movies here, Oh hacks all Ridge. I had

1437
01:27:24,000 --> 01:27:27,720
Speaker 1: been meaning to watch hacksall Ridge since it came out

1438
01:27:27,760 --> 01:27:32,479
Speaker 1: in theaters. I think that uh we were Soldiers, which

1439
01:27:32,640 --> 01:27:36,679
Speaker 1: was also directed by Mel Gibson, he of Braveheart, starring

1440
01:27:36,880 --> 01:27:41,439
Speaker 1: and directing, and he won Best Picture and Best Director

1441
01:27:41,479 --> 01:27:44,200
Speaker 1: that year for Braveheart. A little side note, Braveheart was

1442
01:27:44,240 --> 01:27:48,320
Speaker 1: a nickname given to Robert the Bruce, never actually referred

1443
01:27:48,320 --> 01:27:50,559
Speaker 1: to William Wallace, so I always thought that was a

1444
01:27:50,640 --> 01:27:54,040
Speaker 1: strange choice for the title of the film. I mean,

1445
01:27:54,040 --> 01:27:58,360
Speaker 1: it's a cool nickname, but it wasn't William Wallace's nickname.

1446
01:27:58,360 --> 01:28:01,519
Speaker 1: It was Robert the Bruce's nickname. And he saves himself

1447
01:28:01,560 --> 01:28:03,160
Speaker 1: at the end, but as you know, he comes off

1448
01:28:03,240 --> 01:28:06,559
Speaker 1: looking pretty pretty badly until he's like, you have bled

1449
01:28:06,600 --> 01:28:10,280
Speaker 1: with Wallace, now bleed with me. My Brave Heart is

1450
01:28:10,640 --> 01:28:14,240
Speaker 1: probably my all time favorite movie, certainly in my top

1451
01:28:14,360 --> 01:28:18,000
Speaker 1: five all time favorite movies. And I like, I know

1452
01:28:18,080 --> 01:28:20,519
Speaker 1: Mel Gibson has had all kinds of personal problems and demons.

1453
01:28:20,520 --> 01:28:24,680
Speaker 1: I'm just talking about his artwork and his body of

1454
01:28:24,720 --> 01:28:28,240
Speaker 1: work as a director, and Hack I mean, we were

1455
01:28:28,280 --> 01:28:31,880
Speaker 1: Soldiers is for what it was. It was very straightforward.

1456
01:28:31,960 --> 01:28:33,800
Speaker 1: It was a good movie though. It was a well

1457
01:28:33,880 --> 01:28:36,360
Speaker 1: executed war film, and I didn't think he really got

1458
01:28:36,479 --> 01:28:39,719
Speaker 1: enough credit for it. And I think it really showed

1459
01:28:40,120 --> 01:28:43,360
Speaker 1: the human cost and the backstory and the families at home.

1460
01:28:43,400 --> 01:28:47,120
Speaker 1: And I really appreciated I really appreciated that movie. Um

1461
01:28:47,280 --> 01:28:53,599
Speaker 1: Hack Saw Ridge, which is about this conscientious objector Desmond DAWs.

1462
01:28:53,640 --> 01:28:55,920
Speaker 1: And I know this movie came out last what a

1463
01:28:56,000 --> 01:29:00,000
Speaker 1: year ago or came out in twenty s now, uh.

1464
01:29:00,080 --> 01:29:01,840
Speaker 1: I know that it came out a while ago, and

1465
01:29:01,880 --> 01:29:04,519
Speaker 1: that there was a whole Academy Awards moment where they

1466
01:29:04,640 --> 01:29:07,360
Speaker 1: people thought it would do well, and it did. It

1467
01:29:07,400 --> 01:29:11,200
Speaker 1: did get credit. It is a fantastic movie. This is

1468
01:29:11,200 --> 01:29:13,479
Speaker 1: one of the best hacks All Ridge, which I just

1469
01:29:13,560 --> 01:29:16,200
Speaker 1: saw over the weekend, one of the best movies I

1470
01:29:16,240 --> 01:29:20,360
Speaker 1: have seen in years, I would, I would say, uh.

1471
01:29:20,840 --> 01:29:23,479
Speaker 1: And I just recently also just as a as a

1472
01:29:23,520 --> 01:29:26,439
Speaker 1: diversion here, I saw La La Land as well. Molly

1473
01:29:26,439 --> 01:29:29,320
Speaker 1: wanted to watch with me, and you know it was okay,

1474
01:29:29,960 --> 01:29:33,639
Speaker 1: a lot of self referential Hollywood stuff, you know, La

1475
01:29:33,720 --> 01:29:36,599
Speaker 1: La Land, Hollywood. You know this is the way, this

1476
01:29:36,680 --> 01:29:39,400
Speaker 1: is the way that we we struggle for our art

1477
01:29:39,479 --> 01:29:42,320
Speaker 1: in Hollywood and all this. You know, it was Okay,

1478
01:29:42,920 --> 01:29:44,840
Speaker 1: I'm not about to say that I thought it was

1479
01:29:45,920 --> 01:29:50,000
Speaker 1: a phenomenal film. I thought that it was. I give it.

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Speaker 1: I give it a B plus, as I said before

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Speaker 1: on the show. But hacks all Ridge is an a

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01:29:57,360 --> 01:30:01,240
Speaker 1: you know, so you've got this conscientiship, conscient sious objector

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01:30:01,280 --> 01:30:07,479
Speaker 1: Desmond DAWs who becomes a combat medic and receives the

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01:30:08,240 --> 01:30:11,680
Speaker 1: is awarded the Medal of Honor for service above and

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01:30:11,720 --> 01:30:15,240
Speaker 1: beyond the call of duty in the Battle of Okinawa.

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01:30:15,800 --> 01:30:19,720
Speaker 1: And it's astonishing, and the story is gripping, and the

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01:30:19,800 --> 01:30:23,840
Speaker 1: performances are really good, and it was just a nice

1488
01:30:24,200 --> 01:30:28,799
Speaker 1: reminder that that it is possible to tell real human

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01:30:28,840 --> 01:30:32,640
Speaker 1: stories of courage, love and sacrifice and do it in

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01:30:32,680 --> 01:30:36,680
Speaker 1: a way that is relevant and compelling and teaches a

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01:30:36,680 --> 01:30:39,639
Speaker 1: bit of history as well in the process. It's such

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01:30:39,680 --> 01:30:43,200
Speaker 1: a good movie. And that it lost in a lot

1493
01:30:43,240 --> 01:30:45,519
Speaker 1: of and I know the Academy Awards is all political

1494
01:30:45,520 --> 01:30:47,680
Speaker 1: and nonsense, but that it lost in a lot of

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01:30:47,800 --> 01:30:54,000
Speaker 1: categories to uh, well, it lost to Moonlight, which you

1496
01:30:54,080 --> 01:30:58,200
Speaker 1: may recall that whole back and forth where they thought

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01:30:58,240 --> 01:31:00,519
Speaker 1: Lata Lam was best Picture. They read all loud the

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01:31:00,560 --> 01:31:03,880
Speaker 1: wrong award at the Academy Awards for Best Picture, which

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01:31:03,880 --> 01:31:06,559
Speaker 1: is the biggest award. And I haven't seen Moonlight. I

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01:31:06,600 --> 01:31:09,679
Speaker 1: really want to watch it because I have a feeling

1501
01:31:09,680 --> 01:31:12,240
Speaker 1: that I'm gonna be like I cannot believe that they

1502
01:31:12,280 --> 01:31:14,320
Speaker 1: thought that that the Academy thought this was a better

1503
01:31:14,320 --> 01:31:18,840
Speaker 1: movie than Hacksall Ridge, a more important movie than Hacksall Ridge. Um,

1504
01:31:19,320 --> 01:31:23,120
Speaker 1: just to put yourself in a position where you can

1505
01:31:23,320 --> 01:31:27,360
Speaker 1: see the re enactment of I mean, the Battle of

1506
01:31:27,360 --> 01:31:30,880
Speaker 1: of Okinawa. And I had a grandfather who served on

1507
01:31:30,920 --> 01:31:34,280
Speaker 1: the USS Batan in the Navy in World War Two

1508
01:31:34,280 --> 01:31:37,360
Speaker 1: in the Pacific theater. He was an officer in the Navy,

1509
01:31:37,479 --> 01:31:40,040
Speaker 1: and he occasionally told me stories about what it was

1510
01:31:40,080 --> 01:31:42,720
Speaker 1: like to be on that on that ship, on that

1511
01:31:43,400 --> 01:31:47,720
Speaker 1: on that aircraft carrier and have kamikaze planes coming in

1512
01:31:47,800 --> 01:31:49,920
Speaker 1: and the and the gunfire. He told me once he

1513
01:31:49,960 --> 01:31:52,320
Speaker 1: didn't he didn't sleep for three days straight because they

1514
01:31:52,320 --> 01:31:56,080
Speaker 1: were in the midst of an ongoing battle. And and

1515
01:31:56,400 --> 01:31:59,840
Speaker 1: Hacksall Ridge, You've got the Battle of Okinawa. Uh, You

1516
01:32:00,000 --> 01:32:08,200
Speaker 1: who have United States troops who are facing this, these

1517
01:32:08,240 --> 01:32:15,759
Speaker 1: fanatical Japanese defenders of of Okinawa, who did not obey

1518
01:32:15,840 --> 01:32:19,519
Speaker 1: any of the the the laws of war, any norms

1519
01:32:19,680 --> 01:32:25,920
Speaker 1: of of conduct, killing torturing prisoners, they would surrender, as

1520
01:32:26,000 --> 01:32:28,559
Speaker 1: was depicted in the movie, and then try to kill

1521
01:32:28,600 --> 01:32:30,800
Speaker 1: those who had taken them in good faith in a

1522
01:32:30,840 --> 01:32:34,200
Speaker 1: position of surrender. I was watching this movie and I

1523
01:32:34,280 --> 01:32:37,160
Speaker 1: have an uncle, not by blood but through marriage who's

1524
01:32:37,760 --> 01:32:40,600
Speaker 1: whose dad. So not related to me by blood, but

1525
01:32:40,600 --> 01:32:43,000
Speaker 1: I remember meeting when I was a kid, was a

1526
01:32:43,240 --> 01:32:47,120
Speaker 1: was a marine at Guadalcanal. I don't know. I don't

1527
01:32:47,120 --> 01:32:50,200
Speaker 1: know how. I don't know how they did it. Um.

1528
01:32:50,600 --> 01:32:54,240
Speaker 1: I would like to think that in that time period,

1529
01:32:54,280 --> 01:32:57,720
Speaker 1: called upon to fight against the greatest evil to have

1530
01:32:57,800 --> 01:33:01,240
Speaker 1: ever threatened mankind, I would of I would have answered

1531
01:33:01,240 --> 01:33:05,280
Speaker 1: the call with the same. But you know, I don't know.

1532
01:33:06,200 --> 01:33:09,439
Speaker 1: It's incredible. It's incredible what that generation did in the

1533
01:33:09,479 --> 01:33:13,000
Speaker 1: European and the Pacific theater. And it's incredible what our

1534
01:33:13,080 --> 01:33:16,360
Speaker 1: troops do in uniform to this day, you know, facing

1535
01:33:17,000 --> 01:33:21,519
Speaker 1: danger and facing death, staring it down for this country

1536
01:33:21,520 --> 01:33:24,040
Speaker 1: and for our freedom. And I think that hacks all ridge.

1537
01:33:24,680 --> 01:33:27,840
Speaker 1: I know it's art, but art can be moving and

1538
01:33:28,000 --> 01:33:31,920
Speaker 1: important and tell us more about the world that we

1539
01:33:32,000 --> 01:33:34,240
Speaker 1: live in. And I think that it did a really

1540
01:33:35,120 --> 01:33:39,719
Speaker 1: great job of showing so many different aspects of well

1541
01:33:40,160 --> 01:33:43,640
Speaker 1: of the storyline of of Desmond DAWs, but also just

1542
01:33:43,680 --> 01:33:48,080
Speaker 1: the Battle of Ocanawa, what brutal combat. Cannot imagine what

1543
01:33:48,200 --> 01:33:52,639
Speaker 1: are soldiers are going through there. It's it's incredible when

1544
01:33:52,640 --> 01:33:56,160
Speaker 1: you see it depicted in a way that gets you

1545
01:33:56,200 --> 01:34:00,200
Speaker 1: as close as you can get through a work of

1546
01:34:00,200 --> 01:34:04,000
Speaker 1: of art through a visual representation of what happened then.

1547
01:34:04,040 --> 01:34:06,680
Speaker 1: But of course that's a million miles away from what

1548
01:34:06,760 --> 01:34:09,720
Speaker 1: it was to be in the reality. And I know

1549
01:34:09,760 --> 01:34:12,519
Speaker 1: those who wear the uniform today or have worn the uniform,

1550
01:34:12,600 --> 01:34:15,360
Speaker 1: they know it in a way that nobody else ever will,

1551
01:34:15,400 --> 01:34:17,559
Speaker 1: in a way that I never will, and anyone else

1552
01:34:17,560 --> 01:34:21,840
Speaker 1: who's never worn the uniform, I can't know. But incredible

1553
01:34:21,840 --> 01:34:25,479
Speaker 1: bravery and it's just an incredible movie. Hacks All Ridge.

1554
01:34:25,560 --> 01:34:30,120
Speaker 1: I can't say enough good things about it. Hey, dude,

1555
01:34:30,200 --> 01:34:34,240
Speaker 1: just some fun updates about things going on in my

1556
01:34:34,320 --> 01:34:37,240
Speaker 1: life these days. I wanted to share with all of you. Uh.

1557
01:34:37,280 --> 01:34:41,160
Speaker 1: First off, I have experimented recently with the crock pot

1558
01:34:41,720 --> 01:34:45,400
Speaker 1: um Molly has designated me as her sux chef for

1559
01:34:45,479 --> 01:34:49,200
Speaker 1: all croc pot related activities. I like to think of

1560
01:34:49,240 --> 01:34:53,840
Speaker 1: myself as more of a of a bus boy slash handyman,

1561
01:34:54,680 --> 01:34:57,519
Speaker 1: and that I take care of, you know, making sure

1562
01:34:57,600 --> 01:35:01,120
Speaker 1: that the oven stays on and that uh, the pots

1563
01:35:01,120 --> 01:35:03,519
Speaker 1: and pans are put away. But I help with some

1564
01:35:03,600 --> 01:35:06,519
Speaker 1: of the cooking. I do like the knife skills portion

1565
01:35:06,600 --> 01:35:09,559
Speaker 1: of being a chef. I enjoy that. But we made

1566
01:35:09,800 --> 01:35:11,759
Speaker 1: and I thank you all, by the way for sending

1567
01:35:12,360 --> 01:35:15,320
Speaker 1: so many incredible recipes. I'm saving them all in a

1568
01:35:15,360 --> 01:35:18,080
Speaker 1: separate word file you've been sending to me on Facebook

1569
01:35:18,080 --> 01:35:23,200
Speaker 1: dot com. Slash Buck Sexton at the barbecue knowledge that

1570
01:35:23,360 --> 01:35:27,639
Speaker 1: Team Buck possesses is worthy of a cookbook of its own.

1571
01:35:27,720 --> 01:35:31,880
Speaker 1: I mean, really fantastic stuff and all the tips and

1572
01:35:31,920 --> 01:35:37,519
Speaker 1: the different time savers and your sauce, your barbecue sauce

1573
01:35:37,560 --> 01:35:41,960
Speaker 1: knowledge Team is is incredible. It needs to be written

1574
01:35:41,960 --> 01:35:44,360
Speaker 1: down in book form. And maybe that's a project that

1575
01:35:44,400 --> 01:35:46,600
Speaker 1: I'll have to take on in the future. But I

1576
01:35:46,640 --> 01:35:47,800
Speaker 1: have to find a way to give all of you

1577
01:35:47,880 --> 01:35:51,080
Speaker 1: credit for it if I did so. So we we

1578
01:35:51,240 --> 01:35:57,519
Speaker 1: made a spicy chicken chili with Japanese sweet potatoes. Now

1579
01:35:57,600 --> 01:36:01,120
Speaker 1: I know that sounds a little little booge g, as

1580
01:36:01,120 --> 01:36:03,240
Speaker 1: the kids say. I know that sounds a bit like

1581
01:36:03,320 --> 01:36:08,240
Speaker 1: a yuppie stew. But eat was delicious. It's the kind

1582
01:36:08,280 --> 01:36:10,959
Speaker 1: of meal that you can eat for for three meals,

1583
01:36:11,000 --> 01:36:13,240
Speaker 1: and I've been doing that. In fact, it's all gone.

1584
01:36:13,320 --> 01:36:16,160
Speaker 1: I finished it off this morning. But the slow cooker

1585
01:36:16,240 --> 01:36:19,400
Speaker 1: is like a revelation, and just I wish I had

1586
01:36:19,439 --> 01:36:22,280
Speaker 1: gotten one years ago, although I literally did not have

1587
01:36:22,320 --> 01:36:25,760
Speaker 1: the counter space in my hobbit sized New York City

1588
01:36:25,800 --> 01:36:29,520
Speaker 1: apartment to well be able to cook in any real capacity,

1589
01:36:29,600 --> 01:36:32,760
Speaker 1: but certainly not to bust out the slow cooker. So

1590
01:36:33,600 --> 01:36:35,680
Speaker 1: thank you for sending me all of your recipes and

1591
01:36:36,040 --> 01:36:39,479
Speaker 1: suggestions on that. And as I have some time to

1592
01:36:39,560 --> 01:36:43,000
Speaker 1: experiment on my own um ms, Molly is going to

1593
01:36:43,040 --> 01:36:44,680
Speaker 1: be out of town coming up here for a little bit,

1594
01:36:44,720 --> 01:36:47,200
Speaker 1: so I will be left to my own devices too.

1595
01:36:47,439 --> 01:36:50,880
Speaker 1: I always smoke up the kitchen and set off the

1596
01:36:50,920 --> 01:36:53,559
Speaker 1: fire alarms. I don't know what I'm doing wrong, but

1597
01:36:53,640 --> 01:36:56,320
Speaker 1: the fire alarm always goes off, and you know then

1598
01:36:56,360 --> 01:37:01,080
Speaker 1: I I'm running around trying to waft the uh off

1599
01:37:01,120 --> 01:37:03,519
Speaker 1: the smoke away from the alarm, and you know I

1600
01:37:03,520 --> 01:37:05,800
Speaker 1: I trip and I stubbed my toe and it's usually

1601
01:37:05,800 --> 01:37:07,920
Speaker 1: a bit of a disaster. So I'm glad nobody else

1602
01:37:07,960 --> 01:37:11,559
Speaker 1: would be around for that one, because it's easier to

1603
01:37:11,760 --> 01:37:14,479
Speaker 1: just be embarrassed when I'm messing up in the kitchen

1604
01:37:14,479 --> 01:37:17,200
Speaker 1: on my own. But but slow cooker has been great,

1605
01:37:17,240 --> 01:37:19,920
Speaker 1: and I've I've got some Molly doesn't like red meat

1606
01:37:19,920 --> 01:37:22,360
Speaker 1: as much as I do, and I'm gonna experiment with

1607
01:37:22,439 --> 01:37:28,640
Speaker 1: some fatty, juicy, tender red meat recipes, probably a something braised,

1608
01:37:29,080 --> 01:37:31,960
Speaker 1: and that is a red meat. So I need a

1609
01:37:31,960 --> 01:37:35,840
Speaker 1: a dead animal with marbleization. I need some fat in

1610
01:37:35,880 --> 01:37:41,120
Speaker 1: the meat, and I'm thinking cow. So maybe a brisket. Um,

1611
01:37:41,200 --> 01:37:43,400
Speaker 1: that's that's gonna be the way that I A pork

1612
01:37:43,439 --> 01:37:45,000
Speaker 1: would be the other one that which I know is

1613
01:37:45,000 --> 01:37:46,880
Speaker 1: not a red meat technically, but that's the you know,

1614
01:37:47,040 --> 01:37:53,240
Speaker 1: pork or brisket or pork or maybe some kind of um,

1615
01:37:53,280 --> 01:37:56,360
Speaker 1: I'm not sure I'm thinking. So if you have any

1616
01:37:56,400 --> 01:37:59,640
Speaker 1: great ways to do short ribs that's what I was

1617
01:37:59,640 --> 01:38:04,080
Speaker 1: trying to short ribs or brisket in a slow cooker, um,

1618
01:38:04,200 --> 01:38:07,080
Speaker 1: let me know, uh uh. And also thank you for

1619
01:38:07,120 --> 01:38:11,200
Speaker 1: all your kind comments about Percy the Pomeranian. My brother

1620
01:38:11,360 --> 01:38:15,080
Speaker 1: and his girlfriend's dog. Percy is taking very well to

1621
01:38:15,240 --> 01:38:19,240
Speaker 1: his new environment in New York City, and he is

1622
01:38:19,320 --> 01:38:23,120
Speaker 1: a happy little dude. And I like dogs of all sizes.

1623
01:38:23,160 --> 01:38:26,439
Speaker 1: I know there are people that are only about dogs

1624
01:38:26,439 --> 01:38:30,040
Speaker 1: of a certain size, but you know, the little guys

1625
01:38:30,200 --> 01:38:34,479
Speaker 1: they need love to So really, now I've I've I've

1626
01:38:34,520 --> 01:38:37,240
Speaker 1: even expanded. There was a time when I was a little,

1627
01:38:38,200 --> 01:38:41,759
Speaker 1: a little on the fence about a Maltese or about

1628
01:38:41,840 --> 01:38:45,839
Speaker 1: a Chihuahua. They weren't really they weren't really my speed.

1629
01:38:46,479 --> 01:38:48,840
Speaker 1: I was much more. I've always been a bulldog person.

1630
01:38:48,880 --> 01:38:51,760
Speaker 1: Bulldogs are the top of the pyramid for me. But

1631
01:38:51,960 --> 01:38:57,400
Speaker 1: Pomeranians have changed my outlook a little bit. On toy

1632
01:38:57,520 --> 01:39:00,280
Speaker 1: sized dogs, right There's that's actually I think by the

1633
01:39:00,280 --> 01:39:04,880
Speaker 1: American Countel claud designation, that's what they are called toy sized.

1634
01:39:05,439 --> 01:39:07,439
Speaker 1: I used to be I've always been okay with small

1635
01:39:07,439 --> 01:39:10,280
Speaker 1: dogs because I had a Boston Terrier growing up. But

1636
01:39:10,400 --> 01:39:15,240
Speaker 1: toy sized dogs, Pomeranians are are great little dudes. And

1637
01:39:15,720 --> 01:39:19,000
Speaker 1: you know, you can give them kind of a hipster cut,

1638
01:39:19,040 --> 01:39:20,800
Speaker 1: you know, make them look a little more, a little

1639
01:39:20,840 --> 01:39:23,439
Speaker 1: more rad little more tough, little more edgy. You give

1640
01:39:23,520 --> 01:39:25,479
Speaker 1: them a little mohawk. You know, you can take that

1641
01:39:25,560 --> 01:39:29,439
Speaker 1: big poofy palm fur they have and do all kinds

1642
01:39:29,479 --> 01:39:32,439
Speaker 1: of things with it. That well, usually people put little

1643
01:39:32,479 --> 01:39:35,920
Speaker 1: bows and pink sweaters on them, but I mean that's

1644
01:39:35,920 --> 01:39:37,439
Speaker 1: not what we're doing with Percy. I mean, Percy is

1645
01:39:37,479 --> 01:39:41,280
Speaker 1: gonna have like a little camouflage best we put on him,

1646
01:39:41,360 --> 01:39:43,360
Speaker 1: and you know, maybe put a little mohawk on his head.

1647
01:39:43,760 --> 01:39:47,680
Speaker 1: You know, we're gonna make him a tough little palm

1648
01:39:47,800 --> 01:39:49,320
Speaker 1: or at least my I'm gonna tell my brother we

1649
01:39:49,360 --> 01:39:52,400
Speaker 1: should do this. Um So those are my Those are

1650
01:39:52,400 --> 01:39:56,040
Speaker 1: my closing dog thoughts for the day. And thank you

1651
01:39:56,080 --> 01:39:58,160
Speaker 1: again for all your recipes you've been sharing with me.

1652
01:39:58,640 --> 01:40:02,479
Speaker 1: So tomorrow we are going to be diving into all

1653
01:40:02,479 --> 01:40:04,240
Speaker 1: of our usual here in the Freedom Hunt, and I'm

1654
01:40:04,479 --> 01:40:09,080
Speaker 1: really hoping to get together a finish off the research.

1655
01:40:09,120 --> 01:40:11,280
Speaker 1: I should say to do a Lepanto show, which would

1656
01:40:11,280 --> 01:40:15,879
Speaker 1: be coming up on Friday, because Saturday is technically October

1657
01:40:15,920 --> 01:40:19,360
Speaker 1: seven is technically Lepanto Day. But until then, please do

1658
01:40:19,439 --> 01:40:23,040
Speaker 1: share the podcast with friends, uh, spread around all the

1659
01:40:23,080 --> 01:40:24,720
Speaker 1: things we do here in the Freedom Hunt. Some of

1660
01:40:24,800 --> 01:40:28,120
Speaker 1: your thoughts at Facebook dot com slash Buck Sexton and

1661
01:40:28,920 --> 01:40:33,080
Speaker 1: as always, shields high