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Speaker 1: author of the book entitled Gumbo Coalition. He's on the

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Speaker 1: show to discuss the documentary Gumbo Coalition, which is currently

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Speaker 1: a streaming on HBO Max. Please Welcome to Money Making

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Speaker 1: Conversations Masterclass. He's the President and CEO of National Urban League,

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Speaker 1: Mark Morio. Mark, how are you doing.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Rashan Man, thank you for having me. Good good day.

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Speaker 2: And to all of your listeners and viewers out there,

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Speaker 2: let me just say, appreciate the chance to be with you,

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Speaker 2: and congratulations on what you're doing to bring to bring

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Speaker 2: I appreciate it a lot.

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Speaker 1: Well, before we even get it to Goumbago Coalition, I

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Speaker 1: said your title President CEO of the Urban National Urban League,

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Speaker 1: Explain to everybody who don't know what it is.

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Speaker 2: What is the National Urban League? So the National Urban

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Speaker 2: League is one of the nation's historic civil rights organizations.

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Speaker 2: We go back to nineteen ten, so we're one hundred

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Speaker 2: continue to go all right, but we're a unique historic

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Speaker 2: across the nation. And then we're a national voice with

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Speaker 2: other civil rights organizations, be it the NAACP of the

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Speaker 2: and all of the above, because we work in coalition

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Speaker 1: So with that being said, the attack of DEI and

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Speaker 2: I'm glad you asked that question because to understand it,

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Speaker 1: Wow, you know when I'm speaking to Mark Morayo, he's

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Speaker 2: Mark, my mom and dad, my mother God bless hers

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Speaker 1: We you know, it's a beautiful to you just staying

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Speaker 2: we had you know, everybody in that coalition, and we

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Speaker 2: several initiatives that are designed to bring young people the

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Speaker 1: Right, you know, it's beautif. First of all, I want

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Speaker 2: So in the documentary, me and my partner in the

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Speaker 2: documentary is a Latinas sister by the name of Janet McGee,

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Speaker 2: And we've worked together for you know, a long time

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Speaker 2: And then underneath it, there's some important stories. The work

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Speaker 2: of the Saint Louis Urban Leagues Save our Son's Program,

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Speaker 2: Janet wanted people to see the pain of an intact

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Speaker 1: Wow, you know it's really important that. Let me break

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Speaker 1: You say, just took the wrong fork in the row.

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Speaker 2: So you know, Sean like you, I'm sure I grew

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Speaker 1: Well, you know the beauty of this gumble Coalition which

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Speaker 1: Let me tell you something. You know from Houston, Texas,

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