1
00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:09,360
Speaker 1: Revere, Revere Dunks. Look at us now, tip to tip.

2
00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:12,920
Speaker 1: This is our life, this is our passion. That's the

3
00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:15,960
Speaker 1: spirit we bring to this show. I'm Luke Thomas, I'm

4
00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:18,160
Speaker 1: Brian Campbell. This this Morning Combat.

5
00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:25,480
Speaker 2: We are back like a bad habit on this Monday,

6
00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:29,280
Speaker 2: the twenty sixth of July of twenty twenty one. Hello everyone,

7
00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:32,040
Speaker 2: and it is time for Morning Combat. I am merely

8
00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:33,960
Speaker 2: one half of your hosting duo. I join you from

9
00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:36,320
Speaker 2: the nation's capital. My name is Luke Thomas. I'm from

10
00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:38,760
Speaker 2: CBS Sports as well as Showtime, and I am joined

11
00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:42,000
Speaker 2: by the King of Connecticut himself. You may not see

12
00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:44,800
Speaker 2: his crown, but we all know it's there. It's Brian Campbell.

13
00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:45,560
Speaker 2: What up, BC.

14
00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:49,199
Speaker 3: I'm crowning actually right now, Luke, but unlike you, I

15
00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:52,440
Speaker 3: can hold it throughout the whole show. Great to be here, Luke.

16
00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:57,080
Speaker 3: You know Wow, Wow, Luke. I turned forty three over

17
00:00:57,080 --> 00:01:00,520
Speaker 3: the weekend, and you know what. I'm ready, Luke. I'm

18
00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:03,840
Speaker 3: gonna make this age a spectacle. I'm gonna make this

19
00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:05,120
Speaker 3: the best year of my life.

20
00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:08,479
Speaker 2: Luke. Well, I forgot it was your birthday, so I'll

21
00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:10,039
Speaker 2: admit that on air and just say.

22
00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:13,399
Speaker 3: I will say I got ten times as many greetings

23
00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:15,760
Speaker 3: from our great fans for my birthday then I did

24
00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:19,160
Speaker 3: from my co host. All right, my producers they were like, BC,

25
00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:22,920
Speaker 3: we love you, have a great day. Yeah, Luke's like,

26
00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:24,840
Speaker 3: check out this Latina booty right here.

27
00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:28,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I did not do that. I didn't do that,

28
00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:30,560
Speaker 2: but I am wishing you a belated happy birthday, and

29
00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:32,759
Speaker 2: I'm glad to hear that. Did you have a did

30
00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:34,320
Speaker 2: you do anything like fun for your birthday?

31
00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:37,600
Speaker 3: While I was lying on the grass on Sunday morning

32
00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:41,360
Speaker 3: of last week, Luke indulging in my self defeat. So

33
00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:44,280
Speaker 3: it was a very chill day, but I did uh uh.

34
00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:46,800
Speaker 3: My parents sent me some cash in an envelope. Luke,

35
00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:48,400
Speaker 3: I felt like I was fifteen. I took that right

36
00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:50,120
Speaker 3: to the record store. Okay, Luke, So I had it.

37
00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:52,080
Speaker 3: You know, I had a pretty good uh, pretty good

38
00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:52,800
Speaker 3: chill chill.

39
00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:56,560
Speaker 2: Never turned down free cash as always a good policy.

40
00:01:57,360 --> 00:01:58,760
Speaker 2: All Right, we got a lot to get to today.

41
00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:00,360
Speaker 2: We had a UFC event over the week. Again it

42
00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:02,080
Speaker 2: felt like a pay per view It wasn't, but it

43
00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:05,480
Speaker 2: really had a pretty big footprint which we're going to unpack,

44
00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:07,800
Speaker 2: from the main event to everything else that went down

45
00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:10,720
Speaker 2: on the card. Plus we had some showbox results. But BC,

46
00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:12,600
Speaker 2: before we get to anything else, I just want to

47
00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:14,480
Speaker 2: set this up here. We'll do the whole rigamarole about

48
00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:16,480
Speaker 2: showtime and how you can reach us and whatnot. But

49
00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:19,120
Speaker 2: you and I? How long ago was this February? I

50
00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:23,160
Speaker 2: think we recorded a resume review? Did we not? Do

51
00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:25,040
Speaker 2: you want to tell the I.

52
00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:27,480
Speaker 3: Don't think it was February. I think it was like last.

53
00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:30,680
Speaker 2: Month, maybe March. Anyway, do you want to set it up?

54
00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:31,919
Speaker 2: It was?

55
00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:34,240
Speaker 3: It was like late May or early June. Bro, it was

56
00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:36,840
Speaker 3: not like it was was not February, Okay, Bro.

57
00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:39,440
Speaker 2: All right serious? I mean I can't remember anymore what

58
00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:44,120
Speaker 2: I did? How super super But at any event, we

59
00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:47,000
Speaker 2: did it, and it's the longest one we've ever done,

60
00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:48,600
Speaker 2: but it's probably the best one we've ever done for

61
00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:50,120
Speaker 2: a couple of reasons, one of which is all the

62
00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:52,360
Speaker 2: extra bells and whistles they get thrown into it. And

63
00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:54,520
Speaker 2: plus BC, we are not going to talk about it

64
00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:57,760
Speaker 2: too much today, but this Saturday, excuse me for yeah,

65
00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:00,480
Speaker 2: Saturday is going to be bell to our two sixty three,

66
00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:03,640
Speaker 2: we did a resume review for Patricio Pitbull in advance

67
00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:05,480
Speaker 2: of that, I believe we have a clip meets you

68
00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:08,280
Speaker 2: ready to play that for the crowd? Ready to go?

69
00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:12,359
Speaker 2: I hit him with the horns. Yeah, all right, let's

70
00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:14,040
Speaker 2: let's hear it if we can, let's see it.

71
00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:17,880
Speaker 3: Let's not forget in round three when you had three

72
00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:21,560
Speaker 3: straight growing shots from Daniel Strauss included, and you know,

73
00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:24,520
Speaker 3: and they were in such quick succession, although none of

74
00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:26,880
Speaker 3: them looked to be, you know, intentional, but they were

75
00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:30,000
Speaker 3: in such quick succession that referee Big John McCarthy by

76
00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:31,839
Speaker 3: the third one had no choice but to take away

77
00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:34,400
Speaker 3: a point. So that's the beginning of almost the ungluing

78
00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:36,040
Speaker 3: and the great work that Strauss had done in the

79
00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:38,080
Speaker 3: first two rounds where you were saying, oh, this rematch

80
00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:40,040
Speaker 3: is going to be different. Well, now it's different for

81
00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:42,440
Speaker 3: a whole new, weird reason. So he loses that point.

82
00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:46,480
Speaker 3: But they trade some some throws. You know, the rustlings

83
00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:49,080
Speaker 3: were fairly even. There was a leg trip almost like

84
00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:51,480
Speaker 3: a judo trip by Strauss in which Pitpole was almost

85
00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:53,520
Speaker 3: at he almost got dropped face first on the canvas

86
00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:55,440
Speaker 3: and kind of spun and rolled out of it. There

87
00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:57,920
Speaker 3: were wild exchanges right there. I think in terms of

88
00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:00,320
Speaker 3: momentum swings in the craziness. This is actually be my

89
00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:02,400
Speaker 3: favorite of the four fights, and it's not it's not

90
00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:04,800
Speaker 3: the favorite to be the favorite, because the third is

91
00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:07,920
Speaker 3: definitely the best one, but this one's wild and it

92
00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:09,920
Speaker 3: wasn't an easy walk through this.

93
00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:11,960
Speaker 2: Loss the park. Like they would do these throws on

94
00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:13,680
Speaker 2: each other, they had a bit of a tit for

95
00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:16,400
Speaker 2: tat these two. If one of them landed a big, big,

96
00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:18,560
Speaker 2: let's say, cross on the other one, the the other

97
00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:20,280
Speaker 2: one wanted to get it back constantly. And of course

98
00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:21,919
Speaker 2: you see that in fights all the time, but you

99
00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:24,400
Speaker 2: would see it especially with these two. These two always

100
00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:27,160
Speaker 2: wanted to make sure that they were almost like two brothers.

101
00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:28,719
Speaker 2: They wanted to make sure whatever you do to me,

102
00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:30,080
Speaker 2: I'm going to do back to you. And you saw

103
00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:31,480
Speaker 2: a little bit of that, although not so much more.

104
00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:33,160
Speaker 3: Okay, And what we also don't want to forget about

105
00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:35,920
Speaker 3: is the momentum surge from Strauss in round four before

106
00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:38,359
Speaker 3: the mistake that would coff him. He lined up Pipple

107
00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:41,000
Speaker 3: with a one to two and that left Cross dropped fit.

108
00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:43,840
Speaker 3: Now that was a surprising turn of events because despite

109
00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:47,440
Speaker 3: the style difference, Strauss was more of the boxer coming

110
00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:49,520
Speaker 3: in the longer guy, he can match him on the ground,

111
00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:56,839
Speaker 3: but he hadn't been hurting pipple. That's a great piece

112
00:04:56,839 --> 00:04:59,920
Speaker 3: of business right there. And I not only pad our

113
00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:03,040
Speaker 3: on the back for what is a fantastic eighty minutes

114
00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:07,159
Speaker 3: of television, but you said it so perfectly, Luke. The

115
00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:11,599
Speaker 3: history of Pitbull Patricio is the history of Bellator. So

116
00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:14,919
Speaker 3: going back on his incredible journey to get to this

117
00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:18,200
Speaker 3: point pound for pound king and Belator two division champion,

118
00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:22,200
Speaker 3: biggest fight of promotional history, it's a heck of a journey.

119
00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:24,680
Speaker 3: So I do encourage everyone to come on board with

120
00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:25,040
Speaker 3: us here.

121
00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:27,880
Speaker 2: That'll be out tomorrow, so be on the look at

122
00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:30,320
Speaker 2: it for there now BC as everyone knows you should

123
00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:31,880
Speaker 2: like the video at this point. If you haven't already

124
00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:34,360
Speaker 2: done it, subscribe if you haven't already done it, Tell

125
00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:36,560
Speaker 2: a friend about the show if you haven't already done it,

126
00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:39,440
Speaker 2: And if you want to send us us by the way,

127
00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:41,760
Speaker 2: you can see all of our various social media channels

128
00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:46,240
Speaker 2: there MK. The Morning Combat name is the same everywhere, YouTube, Instagram, Twitter.

129
00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:49,279
Speaker 2: If you want to send us any fans submissions or

130
00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:52,239
Speaker 2: dead wrongs, Morningcombat at gmail dot com is the place

131
00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:55,160
Speaker 2: to reach the show. And if you'd like to try Showtime,

132
00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:57,760
Speaker 2: which by the way, you're gonna need to watch Saturday's

133
00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:00,120
Speaker 2: Fights BC, you gotta go to Showtime dot com. You

134
00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:01,640
Speaker 2: can get a thirty day free trial. If you like it,

135
00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:02,680
Speaker 2: you can keep it. If not, you can go to

136
00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:04,159
Speaker 2: something else. Sorry, what were you gonna say?

137
00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:07,120
Speaker 3: I was going to say that, you know, we want

138
00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:10,239
Speaker 3: to wake up where you are, folks. Okay, we won't

139
00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:13,120
Speaker 3: do anything at all, right, just just slide slide right

140
00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:17,120
Speaker 3: in like it. Tell a friend subscribe. You play a

141
00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:19,920
Speaker 3: role in this, okay. It's not just Damien putting the

142
00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:22,200
Speaker 3: the MK on his skin, all right, it's guys like

143
00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:25,560
Speaker 3: Tony Ballgame, who's out there driving a truck somewhere in

144
00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:27,240
Speaker 3: the world where they drive on the right side of

145
00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:29,679
Speaker 3: the road, saying I can't wait for MK to save

146
00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:32,039
Speaker 3: me from this workday. We're all in this together, so

147
00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:35,680
Speaker 3: why don't you do your part, like subscribe tell some

148
00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:42,120
Speaker 3: folks because you know where we where we have the

149
00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:45,120
Speaker 3: ability to go together. No other show does, no.

150
00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:49,599
Speaker 2: Other show, okay, And if you want some Merchant two

151
00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:52,599
Speaker 2: point zero Morningcombat dot store will be the place to

152
00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:54,279
Speaker 2: go be see we have a lot to get to today,

153
00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:57,839
Speaker 2: So without further ado, let's get this party started. Topic

154
00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:04,040
Speaker 2: number one every all Allay TJ. Dillashaw versus Cory Sandhagen

155
00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:07,880
Speaker 2: took place on Saturday night and it was Dilashaw who

156
00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:11,800
Speaker 2: walked away with a very narrow split decision victory. But

157
00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:14,560
Speaker 2: he got it just the same. Now, BC, we have

158
00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:16,920
Speaker 2: a lot to unpack about this belt, but let's start

159
00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:21,480
Speaker 2: with the obvious first question two parter number one, how

160
00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:24,160
Speaker 2: did you score it? And number two? Why did you

161
00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:25,360
Speaker 2: score it the way that you did?

162
00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:29,760
Speaker 3: Yes, Luke, three rounds to do TJ. Dillashaw. But look,

163
00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:31,920
Speaker 3: I know a lot of people say, oh, BC, you

164
00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:34,080
Speaker 3: love the guy. Well, well look here's the deal. It

165
00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:36,000
Speaker 3: comes down to the fifth round. This was a fricking

166
00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:38,960
Speaker 3: great fight. It was as advertised and it was a

167
00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:42,680
Speaker 3: great effort from both More on that and second, but

168
00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:46,640
Speaker 3: that fifth round, Luke, was almost like, you know, a

169
00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:50,280
Speaker 3: sample size of judging this entire fight. Did you prefer

170
00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:54,920
Speaker 3: san Hagen's cleaner, more efficient strikes or did you prefer

171
00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:58,840
Speaker 3: the cage generalship of Dilashaw, who, in such veteran savvy

172
00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:01,480
Speaker 3: ways knew when to take the fight to the ground,

173
00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:04,040
Speaker 3: new when to even force the standing clinch in key

174
00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:07,119
Speaker 3: moments to sort of regain momentum. Now it's not lost

175
00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:10,239
Speaker 3: on me that there's a bit of controversy within that. Look,

176
00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:12,520
Speaker 3: there's a bit of controversy on the judging on this

177
00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:16,040
Speaker 3: card as a whole. But it's not MMA isn't the

178
00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:19,080
Speaker 3: same as boxing in theory, where you judge things like

179
00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:22,400
Speaker 3: defense and ring generalship and making the other person fight

180
00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:25,360
Speaker 3: your fight. It can be Luke, but an MMA we

181
00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:29,520
Speaker 3: much much more score damage. So if you're scoring on

182
00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:33,960
Speaker 3: damage alone, dude, again, it comes down to that fifth

183
00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:36,960
Speaker 3: round and whoever you liked. And I could got no

184
00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:40,960
Speaker 3: issue with anybody picking San Haagen, but Luke the announcers

185
00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:43,680
Speaker 3: picked up on something that I thought was key a trend.

186
00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:46,520
Speaker 3: It was almost like old school judging in this fight.

187
00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:48,000
Speaker 3: There was a couple of fights where we all think

188
00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:50,040
Speaker 3: they got key up parts wrong. And by the way,

189
00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:52,280
Speaker 3: the third judge that scored the fourth round here for

190
00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:54,480
Speaker 3: Dilla Shaw and not the fifth round they got they

191
00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:56,439
Speaker 3: fucked that up too. Okay, I had no question about it.

192
00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:58,880
Speaker 3: But what the announcing team picked up on Luke was

193
00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:02,320
Speaker 3: that the the the judges in general, were almost scoring

194
00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:04,960
Speaker 3: on the old system, scoring on the well, if you

195
00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:07,520
Speaker 3: control the fight even without landing a ton of damage,

196
00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:10,320
Speaker 3: but you're wrestling or you're controlling it on your terms,

197
00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:14,560
Speaker 3: that you know that's good enough. And I think you know,

198
00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:17,319
Speaker 3: did San Haagen do enough? That's something that could be

199
00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:18,800
Speaker 3: itching at him that he's gonna have to think about

200
00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:21,240
Speaker 3: for a long time. But it really comes down to

201
00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:23,960
Speaker 3: what you preferred in that fifth round. And I thought

202
00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:29,080
Speaker 3: TJ's use of wrestling in such key moments was so brilliant.

203
00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:33,000
Speaker 3: And Luke, even though the first question you tossed to

204
00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:35,839
Speaker 3: me was about scoring, and I get it because it's

205
00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:37,320
Speaker 3: a debate here and I want to hear how you

206
00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:40,360
Speaker 3: scored and all that. The story is TJ Dillashaw or

207
00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:42,079
Speaker 3: whatever that means. Luke, I'm not here to say, you

208
00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:44,120
Speaker 3: know Max Cullum and he won the story of the fight,

209
00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:47,920
Speaker 3: but the story is at thirty five off, two years off,

210
00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:52,760
Speaker 3: with major obstacles in front of him, including the injured knee,

211
00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:57,120
Speaker 3: including the cut. This guy dug deep and showed you, Luke,

212
00:09:57,200 --> 00:10:01,439
Speaker 3: that he's still the real deal across the board. This

213
00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:05,480
Speaker 3: was a fantastic performance against one of the best non

214
00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:08,680
Speaker 3: champion fighters in this entire sport. So I want to

215
00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:11,400
Speaker 3: not go any further without giving TJ. Hiss due love

216
00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:14,000
Speaker 3: him or hate him whatever. Two years off, he came

217
00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:17,360
Speaker 3: in with that performance, overcoming all those hurdles. It actually

218
00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:20,240
Speaker 3: felt good to see him get the nod from the judges,

219
00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:22,480
Speaker 3: whether you agreed with it or not, just because that

220
00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:25,320
Speaker 3: performance was so good. Luke, tell me I'm wrong, tell

221
00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:27,960
Speaker 3: me I'm drinking the kill Aeshaw Kulaid. I don't care, Luke.

222
00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:29,679
Speaker 3: That was a hell of a five rounds from a

223
00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:30,520
Speaker 3: veteran right there.

224
00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:32,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, listen, I scored the fight three to

225
00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:35,040
Speaker 2: two for Cory Sandhagan. But let's back up just a

226
00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:36,760
Speaker 2: second here and sort of assess the last point that

227
00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:39,200
Speaker 2: you made about Dila Shaw. I think you better walk

228
00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:41,640
Speaker 2: away anybody who watched this fight with a healthy amount

229
00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:43,720
Speaker 2: of respect for what TJ. Dillashaw did. First of all,

230
00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:47,440
Speaker 2: his cardio didn't seem to suffer at all. Now, obviously

231
00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:50,200
Speaker 2: that doesn't mean that we can ignore that he broke

232
00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:52,440
Speaker 2: the rules previously, but it does sort of say, like

233
00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:55,319
Speaker 2: what benefit was conferred? They tested all his old samples,

234
00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:57,400
Speaker 2: For whatever that is worth, it's probably not a great screen,

235
00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:00,160
Speaker 2: but it's something he passed that with flying colors what

236
00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:03,559
Speaker 2: we know. And then again here from a performance standpoint,

237
00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:05,599
Speaker 2: all of the hurdles he faced were the kinds of

238
00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:08,000
Speaker 2: stuff that anyone would face, injuries in the fight itself,

239
00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:10,719
Speaker 2: and obviously a very difficult opponent to overcome. And again

240
00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:12,560
Speaker 2: according to the judges, he did that, So you know,

241
00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:14,480
Speaker 2: for you to your point, BC, the guy had to

242
00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:16,880
Speaker 2: eat shit in MMA for two and a half years,

243
00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:20,199
Speaker 2: taunted everywhere he goes, booed the whole nine yards, had

244
00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:22,560
Speaker 2: a really tough camp it sounds like, and had a

245
00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:25,640
Speaker 2: very tough opponent, got injured for crying out loud with

246
00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:28,360
Speaker 2: his knee and got a cut in the worst possible place.

247
00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:31,280
Speaker 2: By the way, shouts to that cut man who sealed

248
00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:33,920
Speaker 2: him up. What a phenomenal job that guy did. I mean,

249
00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:36,680
Speaker 2: the best you could given the circumstances. Here's just the

250
00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:38,120
Speaker 2: part we see that I'm having a little bit of

251
00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:41,280
Speaker 2: trouble with going back. So was the fight close, no

252
00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:43,880
Speaker 2: doubt about it. Could you see it either way in

253
00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:46,320
Speaker 2: real time? I had a harder time with it. Upon

254
00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:48,680
Speaker 2: second review, I still scored it for sam Hagen, but

255
00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:50,640
Speaker 2: I'm a little bit more sympathetic to the idea that

256
00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:52,679
Speaker 2: in real time these things are difficult to get right.

257
00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:54,640
Speaker 2: The problem for me is not that PC. I really

258
00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:56,880
Speaker 2: want to know what you think about this. Let's go

259
00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:58,960
Speaker 2: back to that fourth round, for example, that was a

260
00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:01,480
Speaker 2: big swing round. It turned out for one of the judges,

261
00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:05,719
Speaker 2: and they scored that one for Dillashaw. Now I went

262
00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:07,560
Speaker 2: back and I paid special attention to that round, and

263
00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:09,240
Speaker 2: here's what I saw. And I'm glad you brought up

264
00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:11,440
Speaker 2: the scoring crid here because I think that really gets

265
00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:13,520
Speaker 2: to the heart of this for folks who don't know.

266
00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:17,880
Speaker 2: In the modern game, things like in MMA, ring generalship,

267
00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:22,840
Speaker 2: who is walking forward, who is initiating sometimes the grappling contexts,

268
00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:26,480
Speaker 2: those are not supposed to even matter or weigh in

269
00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:30,000
Speaker 2: your mind unless the striking is even. If the striking

270
00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:33,119
Speaker 2: is even, then you begin to look at other criteria

271
00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:36,680
Speaker 2: that influenced the fight. Here's where I saw a problem.

272
00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:39,920
Speaker 2: The striking in that round was not even. I thought

273
00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:42,360
Speaker 2: it was pretty clear that Cory San Megan had done

274
00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:46,040
Speaker 2: the much more damaging striking, but TJ had a done

275
00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:47,960
Speaker 2: some and then be done a lot of those moments

276
00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:50,240
Speaker 2: where he wrapped them up and pressed them against the fence.

277
00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:53,800
Speaker 2: See this is my problem, those positions where he wrapped

278
00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:56,480
Speaker 2: up TJ, wrapped up Corey and pressed them against the fence.

279
00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:59,040
Speaker 2: But in that fourth round he got nothing out of it,

280
00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:03,440
Speaker 2: a virtually no strikes and no takedowns off of it. Nothing.

281
00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:05,520
Speaker 2: He never achieved dominant position in any kind of way.

282
00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:08,640
Speaker 2: That clearly had to have mattered in the minds of

283
00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:11,800
Speaker 2: the judges because the striking by itself wouldn't sell the

284
00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:15,280
Speaker 2: round for TJ. So quite literally, you need another element

285
00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:18,000
Speaker 2: to do it, and that's supposed to be an element

286
00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:21,720
Speaker 2: that you don't count dot dot dot because the striking

287
00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:24,480
Speaker 2: is not even. It looks to me like these judges

288
00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:27,640
Speaker 2: are trying their best, maybe to implement the new rules BC,

289
00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:30,480
Speaker 2: but they're still leaning on some of the ghosts of

290
00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:32,319
Speaker 2: the old ones. And I think it's weird. It's head

291
00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:32,880
Speaker 2: here a little bit.

292
00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:34,840
Speaker 3: I want to I think you're right, and I don't

293
00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:37,240
Speaker 3: think any of us disagree per se that they are

294
00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:39,160
Speaker 3: tenning and won that fourth round. Again, I think it

295
00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:41,120
Speaker 3: comes down to who you liked better in the fifth.

296
00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:44,440
Speaker 3: It was a great even fight. But the reason why

297
00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:48,840
Speaker 3: I'm not upset with TJ. Getting the nod while I

298
00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:52,400
Speaker 3: acknowledge that the judges were judging essentially the wrong thing,

299
00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:55,320
Speaker 3: is not because I'm some TJ. Homer, but because Luke

300
00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:57,560
Speaker 3: I think that that's not the right way to judge

301
00:13:57,559 --> 00:13:59,880
Speaker 3: a fight. It may be the rules, okay, so within

302
00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:04,000
Speaker 3: with it. If the judging rules were probably prop were

303
00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:07,840
Speaker 3: properly implemented, in this case, san Haagan deserves to win. Yes,

304
00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:10,240
Speaker 3: I guess the reason why I'm not being out having

305
00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:12,640
Speaker 3: an outrage against it is I don't think that's the

306
00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:15,280
Speaker 3: best way to judge a fight. I don't think damage

307
00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:18,360
Speaker 3: should be that held in that high regard. I know

308
00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:20,320
Speaker 3: a lot of people disagree with me on that. I think,

309
00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:22,000
Speaker 3: you know, this is a skill game. Yes, you go

310
00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:23,960
Speaker 3: for the finish, but how many times do you not

311
00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:25,600
Speaker 3: get the finished Then it comes down to what you

312
00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:28,240
Speaker 3: did in there, and that's when the craft of you know,

313
00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:31,080
Speaker 3: in the strategy and the adjustments and all these little

314
00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:34,600
Speaker 3: things like exactly what Dilla Shaw was doing making san

315
00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:37,280
Speaker 3: Haagan fight his fight in those moments in the clinch,

316
00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:39,640
Speaker 3: against the cage or on the ground. I think that

317
00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:41,440
Speaker 3: that is a better way to judge a fight overall.

318
00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:44,040
Speaker 3: Is because I come from that system in boxing, yes,

319
00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:46,960
Speaker 3: but also, as we know, boxing's got way more deeper

320
00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:48,920
Speaker 3: judging issues, where you know, you never even know what

321
00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:50,560
Speaker 3: the strike zone is when you go into a fight.

322
00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:52,720
Speaker 3: They could already have the other guy down twelve rounts

323
00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:54,680
Speaker 3: to nothing for all we know on their scorecard. But

324
00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:57,320
Speaker 3: you get my point, Luke. Is that a wrong way

325
00:14:57,320 --> 00:14:59,840
Speaker 3: to look at it? Probably? But I don't think, you know.

326
00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:03,920
Speaker 3: I get that you want to judge damage more so

327
00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:07,880
Speaker 3: that we eliminate John Fitch type victories where someone's just

328
00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:13,480
Speaker 3: dominating position without an overflow of offense. I think that

329
00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:16,160
Speaker 3: judges should be able to understand that nuance and if

330
00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:18,520
Speaker 3: you're just just taking people down and not doing anything,

331
00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:22,440
Speaker 3: you know, I wish that that. I don't know, Luke,

332
00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:24,640
Speaker 3: I'd like to broaden the strike zone. And I'd also

333
00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:27,120
Speaker 3: like to have judges who we can trust and count on, not.

334
00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:29,680
Speaker 2: You know, let me. We'll get to this fight later,

335
00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:31,680
Speaker 2: we see. But this is the same problem again. I

336
00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:33,720
Speaker 2: don't think the judges were all the same, but this

337
00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:35,720
Speaker 2: is a similar problem that we saw in round two

338
00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:38,880
Speaker 2: of Mirandom Maverick and Macy Barber. I mean, folks understand

339
00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:42,920
Speaker 2: something random Maverick ended that round in full back control

340
00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:45,440
Speaker 2: that was not going anywhere. Barbara was not getting out

341
00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:48,000
Speaker 2: of it anytime soon, banging her head like a drum

342
00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:50,480
Speaker 2: and then threatening to choke. It's like, wait a second.

343
00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:53,280
Speaker 2: The striking was, you could say, at best, relatively even

344
00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:55,240
Speaker 2: on the feet, and then she ended in a dominant

345
00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:59,040
Speaker 2: position banging her head around, and she's still lost because

346
00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:01,200
Speaker 2: why the punches weren't that hard even though she was

347
00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:03,880
Speaker 2: from the back. Like I'm trying to understand to your point, BC,

348
00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:05,960
Speaker 2: I agree with you, like this idea, like, oh well,

349
00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:07,920
Speaker 2: you have to do something with the position. Sorry, folks.

350
00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:09,480
Speaker 2: If you get to someone's back and you're holding it

351
00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:11,880
Speaker 2: despite their intentions, and you're able to strike more or

352
00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:14,560
Speaker 2: less unobstructed from there, even if they're not the hardest punches,

353
00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:16,520
Speaker 2: I'm going to count that a lot. That is a

354
00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:19,240
Speaker 2: very very dominant position in a fight that you've achieved.

355
00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:21,840
Speaker 2: It's self hard to get to and be a total

356
00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:24,920
Speaker 2: asymmetric warfare once you're at that point. How on earth

357
00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:27,680
Speaker 2: is it possible she lost that round dot dot dot

358
00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:32,400
Speaker 2: other than this inconsistent application of what positions are supposed

359
00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:34,440
Speaker 2: to mean in key context, and I don't think the

360
00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:36,520
Speaker 2: judges have a good grasp of it, and for sure,

361
00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:38,440
Speaker 2: because of that, none of us do really either.

362
00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:42,040
Speaker 3: Uh, Luke, I almost want to double down on that

363
00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:43,520
Speaker 3: one point, but I wanted to spin it into a

364
00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:45,520
Speaker 3: question here. I don't suppose I'll ever know what it

365
00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:48,960
Speaker 3: means to be a man, Luke. It's something I can't change, right,

366
00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:52,960
Speaker 3: But I live around it. But TJ revealed afterwards the

367
00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:55,600
Speaker 3: amount of injuries he actually went through in camp, and

368
00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:59,080
Speaker 3: not Luke. When someone loses and then they do that,

369
00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:01,840
Speaker 3: we look at that as like excuse making and you know,

370
00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:04,679
Speaker 3: repairing your brand real quick. But do you have a

371
00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:07,080
Speaker 3: problem with him bringing this out after a victory? Is

372
00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:08,800
Speaker 3: this the right time to bring it out? Because according

373
00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:12,000
Speaker 3: to TJ, he not only had those hurdles inside the cage,

374
00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:14,359
Speaker 3: he had a pinched nerve in his foot during camp,

375
00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:17,200
Speaker 3: he tore his MCL on his right knee ahead of time,

376
00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:19,560
Speaker 3: and he also reinjured one of the shoulders that he

377
00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:22,480
Speaker 3: had surgically repaired. That just of course adds on to

378
00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:25,639
Speaker 3: this like narrative of like, damn, this former champion is

379
00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:27,520
Speaker 3: tough at balls and he still lead at thirty five

380
00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:30,080
Speaker 3: and all that. But do you do you buy all this?

381
00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:32,720
Speaker 3: Do you think a winning fighter should should just pile

382
00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:35,720
Speaker 3: on to their own narrative here? Should we support this?

383
00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:38,800
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean I actually think related to the McGregor conversation,

384
00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:42,080
Speaker 2: this should be pretty informative to people. It's like one

385
00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:44,440
Speaker 2: you can see just how routine this is. Literally every

386
00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:47,440
Speaker 2: week somebody has this going into a fight, and sometimes

387
00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:49,840
Speaker 2: they win and sometimes they lose. But again, that's just

388
00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:51,760
Speaker 2: kind of sort of especially if you're like a main

389
00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:55,560
Speaker 2: event fighter, where pulling out is a lot more you know,

390
00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:58,760
Speaker 2: ruinous to both the promotion and your potential career, Like

391
00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:01,000
Speaker 2: there's a lot more pressure to to you know, sort

392
00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:03,280
Speaker 2: of go through with it, so to speak. You can

393
00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:06,119
Speaker 2: just see this is just an occupational hurdle. It doesn't

394
00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:08,800
Speaker 2: make it fair and it definitely BC doesn't make it

395
00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:10,919
Speaker 2: easy for sure. I think you got to look at

396
00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:14,960
Speaker 2: what TJ. Dillashaw did and be extremely impressed by it.

397
00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:17,920
Speaker 2: I think even Corey Sandhagan probably is. But at the

398
00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:20,560
Speaker 2: same time, dude, that's just the game. The game is.

399
00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:22,520
Speaker 2: You don't walk in there healthy. Every time you walk

400
00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:25,399
Speaker 2: in there, like a used car, you just hope it

401
00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:27,119
Speaker 2: runs and makes it. From point A to point B.

402
00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:30,440
Speaker 2: You know, all right, let me let me ask a

403
00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:32,720
Speaker 2: couple more questions about this BC, because I want to take.

404
00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:33,720
Speaker 3: The wheel on Monday school.

405
00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:36,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I want to ask you about Sanhagen here

406
00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:37,920
Speaker 2: a little bit. Now, you scored the fight for Dela Shaw,

407
00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:39,879
Speaker 2: which I think is I don't agree, but I think

408
00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:41,720
Speaker 2: it's fair. I think it's fair. Okay, with that out

409
00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:45,520
Speaker 2: of the way, your stock on Corey Sanhagen up or

410
00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:47,080
Speaker 2: down about the same? Where are you?

411
00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:50,199
Speaker 3: I have to go about the same. It was a

412
00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:52,280
Speaker 3: great performance out of him, in which again you can

413
00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:55,840
Speaker 3: have a great argument that he won. I do feel like, Luke,

414
00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:58,879
Speaker 3: I don't know. It's it's true. Super elite's going at

415
00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:01,080
Speaker 3: it right, so, you know, and it was as close

416
00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:02,200
Speaker 3: as we thought it would be in the end, and

417
00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:05,160
Speaker 3: we're talking about a disputed decision. I don't say his thing.

418
00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:07,040
Speaker 3: I don't say his stock went up, though I say

419
00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:09,200
Speaker 3: his stock he was who I thought he was coming

420
00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:12,440
Speaker 3: in because I feel like he's gotta be kicking himself,

421
00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:14,560
Speaker 3: Luke with this loss, because of how close it was,

422
00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:16,879
Speaker 3: and because again of some of the judging theories. But

423
00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:18,359
Speaker 3: at the end of the day, you don't you can't.

424
00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:20,240
Speaker 3: If you're a fighter and a competitor, you're not relying

425
00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:23,199
Speaker 3: on judging theories. You're relying on Oh, the three, you know,

426
00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:24,720
Speaker 3: two of the three said I didn't do enough to

427
00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:26,879
Speaker 3: have won this. So I got to figure out why

428
00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:28,960
Speaker 3: I would have liked to see a little bit more

429
00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:31,720
Speaker 3: out of it, Luke a little bit busier, leaving a

430
00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:35,720
Speaker 3: little bit more lack of doubt in his volume of

431
00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:39,440
Speaker 3: striking in that regard. Outside of that, Luke fantastic performance

432
00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:42,639
Speaker 3: that he arguably you know got, you know, was on

433
00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:44,199
Speaker 3: the wrong end of a disputed one he should have,

434
00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:47,000
Speaker 3: so it's hard to take too much away. He'll be back.

435
00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:49,399
Speaker 3: I thought it was interesting his post fight interview that

436
00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:51,399
Speaker 3: he gave with Megan o' levy where he said he

437
00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:54,360
Speaker 3: basically made Sean Shelby deliver like a pinky promise that

438
00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:57,080
Speaker 3: he would still be one fight away from the title

439
00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:59,560
Speaker 3: despite this loss because of how contested it was. I

440
00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:02,240
Speaker 3: didn't ness Sally like that or that he's putting that

441
00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:04,720
Speaker 3: out there and sort of like clinging to it. But

442
00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:07,280
Speaker 3: in this at the same time, you get it this,

443
00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:10,040
Speaker 3: you know, his his two losses in this elite run

444
00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:13,720
Speaker 3: for him, whereas you know one was almost a fluke,

445
00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:15,760
Speaker 3: even though obviously it counts against Sterling, and that's why

446
00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:17,639
Speaker 3: al Joe went on to the title shot and he didn't.

447
00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:19,760
Speaker 3: And then the second one is basically a coin flip.

448
00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:21,960
Speaker 3: It's again, you know, it's the very elite matching up.

449
00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:25,520
Speaker 3: But I just don't think he he he elevated his

450
00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:26,720
Speaker 3: brand at the end of the day. If that's a

451
00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:28,880
Speaker 3: slight criticism, I can go he left a little bit

452
00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:31,600
Speaker 3: on the table in his overall performance to leave no doubt. Luke,

453
00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:32,560
Speaker 3: Is that is that unfair?

454
00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:33,000
Speaker 4: You know?

455
00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:35,520
Speaker 2: It reminded me a lot of when Cruz came back

456
00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:37,600
Speaker 2: and fought Dela Shaw. A lot of people thought Dela Shaw,

457
00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:39,600
Speaker 2: to your point, won that fight. It was super close,

458
00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:42,240
Speaker 2: but Cruz was able to reassert his dominance in the

459
00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:45,280
Speaker 2: division after a long absence. But what happened shortly thereafter,

460
00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:47,399
Speaker 2: b see, we know the story. Eventually that belt found

461
00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:50,520
Speaker 2: its way to TJ. Delashaw and until of course he popped.

462
00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:54,480
Speaker 2: It was his for bragging about, right, So eventually, you know,

463
00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:58,400
Speaker 2: the tide did shift, just not at that moment. I'll

464
00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:00,320
Speaker 2: say this about Corey Sanhagen. I'm set to speak to

465
00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:02,840
Speaker 2: him later today. So I'm looking forward to talking to

466
00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:04,800
Speaker 2: him again. I thought he won the fight. If I

467
00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:06,800
Speaker 2: did have a criticism, which I make in the spirit

468
00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:09,240
Speaker 2: of total good faith, BC, what do you make of

469
00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:12,080
Speaker 2: this hypothesis. I think there are fighters out there who

470
00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:15,320
Speaker 2: are very creative, either as strikers or in some kind

471
00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:20,960
Speaker 2: of approach to the game, and they don't they take

472
00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:23,240
Speaker 2: some of the things that they do in the expression

473
00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:25,960
Speaker 2: of that creativity if it doesn't cost them too much

474
00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:28,880
Speaker 2: to not be that big a deal. Whereas it doesn't

475
00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:32,240
Speaker 2: match up with what we considered to be best practices.

476
00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:34,800
Speaker 2: For example, you know, wrapping up with TJ over and

477
00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:37,199
Speaker 2: overthrowing the spinning stuff and then going kind of to

478
00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:39,480
Speaker 2: guard or trying to spin underneath for a leg. It's

479
00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:42,359
Speaker 2: like the real mma meta would have been, maybe you

480
00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:44,359
Speaker 2: could try for one sub. If that doesn't work, you

481
00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:46,280
Speaker 2: need to roll to your feet immediately and defend to

482
00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:48,480
Speaker 2: take down in a more traditional way. He didn't want

483
00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:50,080
Speaker 2: to do that, and it ended up costing him a lot

484
00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:52,120
Speaker 2: of time or even in round four we're talking about

485
00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:55,320
Speaker 2: his the control time that TJ Dilshaw had in that

486
00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:58,320
Speaker 2: round BC one minute in forty one seconds. Now, TJ

487
00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:01,879
Speaker 2: didn't do anything with that. That's one minute and forty

488
00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:05,080
Speaker 2: one seconds where Corey Sanhagan can't strike because he has

489
00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:07,439
Speaker 2: to fight the hands and defend. It seems to me

490
00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:11,560
Speaker 2: that there is a sense about is he a good striker? Obviously?

491
00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:17,040
Speaker 2: Does he cohere enough to overall best practices in terms

492
00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:19,760
Speaker 2: of strategy and a fight to give himself the best

493
00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:22,359
Speaker 2: chance of winning. I don't think he did that in

494
00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:22,760
Speaker 2: this fight.

495
00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:26,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's fair. It's very fair across the board. Look,

496
00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:28,800
Speaker 3: quick question related to this and on the judging. You know,

497
00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:31,119
Speaker 3: I thought Daniel Cormier did a great job pointing out

498
00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:33,520
Speaker 3: that how key the legs strike the calf strikes were

499
00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:37,760
Speaker 3: from Dillashaw in slowing san Haagan down just enough in

500
00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:43,480
Speaker 3: key times. Do you think our eyes as journalists educated

501
00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:47,600
Speaker 3: fans have adjusted enough to realize and real like, we

502
00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:51,240
Speaker 3: understand that the calf kicking game when the damage ensues,

503
00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:54,639
Speaker 3: right when you see the opponent now limping and completely compromise.

504
00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:59,119
Speaker 3: But short of that, are our eyes trained to really

505
00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:01,719
Speaker 3: see the value. It's sort of like body shots in boxing.

506
00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:05,080
Speaker 3: Sometimes we can undervalue them while we're watching because you

507
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,800
Speaker 3: don't see the full effect of them until later in

508
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,119
Speaker 3: the fight when the person's gassed and slowing down and

509
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:13,080
Speaker 3: more you know, and less mobile. Is it that same

510
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:15,720
Speaker 3: way with calfkicks? You think where maybe some people that

511
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:18,600
Speaker 3: didn't think TJ had one weren't fully taking into the

512
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:22,560
Speaker 3: account because you know, a slit slick jab, especially when

513
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:24,720
Speaker 3: you're snapping a guy's head back, is much more in

514
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,720
Speaker 3: your face that someone's having huge success. But the fighters

515
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:29,600
Speaker 3: have a great job of biting down and no selling

516
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:31,320
Speaker 3: the calfkicks even though they're adding up loot.

517
00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:33,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I mean, I want to have a couple

518
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,080
Speaker 2: of responses, you're right, like getting hit with the jab

519
00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:36,560
Speaker 2: and getting your head pop back. And that's sort of

520
00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:39,639
Speaker 2: another weakness of Corey Sanhagen right now, which is, you know,

521
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:41,680
Speaker 2: his takedown defense heading into this fight with thirty percent,

522
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,320
Speaker 2: not because that's the best representation of his takedown defense,

523
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:46,280
Speaker 2: but because he just kind of gives into the position

524
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:48,720
Speaker 2: and it's like, oh, I'll creatively work my guard from here,

525
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:50,439
Speaker 2: even though he doesn't need to and it's probably not

526
00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:53,200
Speaker 2: his best interest. Similarly, he gets hit a lot, actually,

527
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 2: and I think probably he can incorporate more defense, but

528
00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:57,639
Speaker 2: I think what he says is it doesn't hurt me,

529
00:23:57,720 --> 00:23:59,560
Speaker 2: So why do I have to care well? Because that

530
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,840
Speaker 2: remonstrative motion of your head getting popped back, it really

531
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,119
Speaker 2: resonates with the judges. And so here's where I'm at

532
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:08,000
Speaker 2: on leg KICKSBC, I actually disagree slightly with Corminie. I

533
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:11,119
Speaker 2: do think it's true that there were pronounced moments in

534
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:13,240
Speaker 2: a couple of rounds where the leg kicks were adding

535
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:17,440
Speaker 2: up such that they were Cory couldn't get his game going.

536
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 2: To the extent that that matters, I'll count them, and

537
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 2: certainly numerically, I will not forget about them, especially if

538
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:24,359
Speaker 2: the game is close and you had a bunch of

539
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:27,439
Speaker 2: O's liked Atasignia wins on leg kicks a lot because

540
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:29,439
Speaker 2: sometimes he can make the game so neutral. That's the

541
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:33,400
Speaker 2: only dividing factor. However, traditionally, what I would say is, BC,

542
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 2: I need to see you limp perhaps a little bit.

543
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:38,960
Speaker 2: I need to see you go less to that stance.

544
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 2: I need to see you, for example, what he did

545
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,080
Speaker 2: a little bit where someone can't get their offense going

546
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 2: because they're constantly being reset by these leg kicks. The

547
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:47,760
Speaker 2: leg kicks had to have a more pronounced effect. And

548
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,760
Speaker 2: I'm sorry even through round five. Yes, TJ, he was

549
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:55,639
Speaker 2: slamming them home, but it wasn't exactly changing the game

550
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:59,000
Speaker 2: of Sanhagan as much as I think, as DC said,

551
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:00,160
Speaker 2: it was during the fight itself.

552
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,320
Speaker 3: That's where I will just one thing to think about

553
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 3: that I have to remind myself every once in a while,

554
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 3: because Luke, you've sat front row before, you have the

555
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:07,919
Speaker 3: John Morgan chair in the blue with the blue shirt on,

556
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,200
Speaker 3: and you know, Luke, when you're sitting that close at

557
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,479
Speaker 3: boxing or MMA, it is a different experience than watching

558
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 3: the TV angles at home, and the biggest thing that

559
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:18,399
Speaker 3: you get, and there's certain things you miss by the

560
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,400
Speaker 3: way sitting that close as well, but the biggest thing

561
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 3: you gain is the impact of the strike. So let's

562
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 3: not forget that if a judge's sitting that close and

563
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,200
Speaker 3: watching somebody get calf kicked and hearing the pops and

564
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:32,439
Speaker 3: all that that may, you know, just like when what

565
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:35,720
Speaker 3: looks like simple jabs on TV sometimes are really you know,

566
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 3: landing with power that you can only really gauge in person.

567
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 3: So I was just trying to keep that, Luke in

568
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,119
Speaker 3: the back of my mind that that sometimes is a

569
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 3: big part of these close fights that go the other

570
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 3: direction because of things they've seen that maybe didn't translate

571
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:51,919
Speaker 3: through the TV. I don't think that explains Barbara Maraverick necessarily,

572
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 3: but it's something to remember.

573
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:55,120
Speaker 2: All right. Well, with that in mind, let's go down

574
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 2: to point number two. We'll stay in this division, if

575
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 2: not so much just this fight, but there or other

576
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,359
Speaker 2: one thirty five pound fights on this card, and there'll

577
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 2: be more next week, in the week after and BC.

578
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:06,400
Speaker 2: It just seemed to me I saw Dean Thomas say

579
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 2: something pretty similar. Maybe now is the time to officially

580
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:15,360
Speaker 2: declare bansomweight the best division in mixed martial arts. So BC,

581
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:20,880
Speaker 2: with this moment we had controversial or otherwise on Saturday,

582
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:22,879
Speaker 2: but not just the main event. There are many bansom

583
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 2: weight fights where you know, the level of detail and

584
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 2: the striking and the game overall was extraordinary, even for

585
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:33,440
Speaker 2: fighters who were unranked. Is bansomweight today the best division

586
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:33,920
Speaker 2: in MMA?

587
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:36,680
Speaker 3: I think this is the right time to have that argument.

588
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:38,480
Speaker 3: I thought it was smart when you slid that into

589
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:40,360
Speaker 3: the rundown, Luke. I didn't need some wheel of death

590
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 3: segment to get to talk about this. We're talking about

591
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 3: it right now. Normally I would slow the role. But

592
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 3: let's be honest, although I'm excited about the fact that

593
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:51,440
Speaker 3: the lightweight division is turning over at a key point

594
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 3: when we're losing some of these bigger names, and let's consider,

595
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:55,680
Speaker 3: you know, Ferguson and McGregor seemed to be going in

596
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:59,160
Speaker 3: the other direction, and Habibe's gone and all that. There's

597
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:02,359
Speaker 3: still obviously big stars and battle tough guys there, but Luke,

598
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 3: the embarrassment of riches and bandamweight, it really gets fully

599
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 3: groomed and blown up when you see TJ. Dillar Shaw

600
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 3: parachute right in on top of it. And in some

601
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 3: cases for the health of the division, it's almost even

602
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 3: better that TJ won this fight, because now you've got

603
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 3: this guy who Luke. I mean, he looks so good

604
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 3: despite some of the things that you gotta be thinking.

605
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 3: Now you like his chances potentially against Giannis Sterling. So

606
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 3: you're dropping in a former champion with a name who

607
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 3: just proved to you that he's still pretty damn close

608
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 3: to where he was on top of what already Luke

609
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,919
Speaker 3: was perfect division for having abundance in every category. What

610
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 3: I mean is, you know they're the guys that haven't

611
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:41,639
Speaker 3: gotten there yet. That we need to find out how

612
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 3: great they can potentially be, and you know, like Dava

613
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 3: Shilly and stuff like that, and then you got the

614
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:50,159
Speaker 3: krusty old veterans, but you also have the marketable, oldly

615
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 3: lingering names, the Fabers, the Edgars, the cruz Is. Yeah, Luke,

616
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 3: I think, pound for pound across the board, filling every category,

617
00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:59,479
Speaker 3: this might be the division in the sport right now.

618
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 3: And that's almost an upset considering how strong lightweight was,

619
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:03,880
Speaker 3: you know, eighteen months ago.

620
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:07,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, people wanted to declare bansamweight the best one. I

621
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,119
Speaker 2: thought a little bit too early back when Cruz was

622
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 2: coming back in Dillashaw after he had beaten Barrow, and

623
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 2: you had Garbrandt on the come up, and you had

624
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 2: some other ones too, like Sterly was obviously there as

625
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,160
Speaker 2: a prospect and whatnot. You can go down the list,

626
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:20,639
Speaker 2: and I thought it was close. I thought it was

627
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:22,399
Speaker 2: very close, and it wasn't close. And it still is

628
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 2: not that close in terms of box office potential. You

629
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 2: just see a lot more obviously with Conor McGregor, but

630
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,160
Speaker 2: other ones too. At one hundred and fifty five pounds.

631
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 2: In that sense, there's still a division, but we're talking

632
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,399
Speaker 2: about the best one as it relates to skill and

633
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 2: the best fights and whatnot. It turns out that I think,

634
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 2: now that the tide has turned a little bit, I

635
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 2: think you can make a case for me even like

636
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 2: the top you know, thirteen through fifteen of lightweight is

637
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 2: still quite good. We're talking Brad Riddell, Armins, Ryukin and

638
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 2: Thiago Moisis. That's pretty good relative to Marlon Vera, Kyler

639
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,239
Speaker 2: Phillips and Cody Statement at bansamweight. But the thing for

640
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 2: MEBC is not just are they comparable divisions in terms

641
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 2: of what they offer from fifteen to one and in

642
00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 2: the champion, but from sixteen to third, from thirty one

643
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 2: to forty five, all the way through your top fifty

644
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 2: at bantam weight are gonna be to me, probably a

645
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 2: lot more exciting and a lot more thorough with their

646
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 2: skill sets. And they got they've got that speed of

647
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 2: flyweight in many ways, but they can carry the power

648
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 2: of one fifty five. I think what you finally have

649
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 2: here is this old generation old but TJ. Del Show

650
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 2: is thirty five coming back now melding with this new generation.

651
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 2: Uh through the ranks past the point of fifteen sixteen

652
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 2: to thirty and so completely excellent fighters all the way

653
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 2: up and down. Yeah, it doesn't match one fifty five's

654
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 2: box office BC. I'm not sure what would, but goddamn,

655
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 2: I think if you had to, if you have to,

656
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 2: just bet what division is gonna give you guaranteed, you know,

657
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 2: great action, I'm gonna bet one thirty five all the time.

658
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 3: Well, I think it's one thirty five on depth, no question.

659
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 3: I didn't even I forgot, you know, Jose Aldo's name

660
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 3: in that group of just the the fun old guys

661
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 3: who can still compete and make big fights. That's obviously

662
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 3: not counting the palm for pound elite near the top.

663
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 3: Would you agree with me on this though? Lightweight still

664
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 3: has the baton from the standpoint of like legit, top

665
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 3: ten pound for pound guys either guys that are in

666
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 3: there or have a case to be. And we're talking

667
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 3: about dol Bronx, Rier, Gai Chee. You know, Chandler's not

668
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 3: that far removed from that, you know, Hooker was just

669
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 3: recently kind of on the outside of that conversation. I

670
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 3: think we have more of that level than Bandam weight,

671
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 3: but Bandam weeight again much more deeper across all categories

672
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 3: and it's Luke. This title picture right now, it's pretty

673
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 3: damn exciting. I know. The Sterling Yon rematch is something

674
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 3: we need badly and still also gives us sort of

675
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 3: a want want feeling, like we want to see what

676
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 3: happens with the division and this feels like a drawn

677
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 3: out process because of the DQ and the injury and

678
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 3: all that. But when we get that run back, and

679
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 3: then we got TJ against the winner, and then you

680
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,719
Speaker 3: got san Hagen feeling like he's gonna still be one

681
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 3: big win away from getting right back. In that conversation,

682
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 3: you still have Cody garbrand who hasn't lost, Luke since

683
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 3: the comeback. You know, you still got Rob ranked high Maris.

684
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 2: Cody rob Font. I'm sorry Cody Garbrant lost to Rob

685
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 2: Font thoroughly.

686
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,719
Speaker 3: Oh he did lose since the Okay, I had forgotten

687
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 3: about that one, correct, Luke. It's the title picture is

688
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 3: pretty damn fun.

689
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 2: Luke.

690
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 3: It's gonna be a fun ride the next year plus.

691
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 2: No doubt about it. I'm actually really excited about it.

692
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 2: And I think this was this was a bit of

693
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 2: a this was a moment for me that was like, Okay,

694
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 2: we can't tonight yeah, what you have in your mind?

695
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 3: Do you think this puts TJ. Dillashaw back in the

696
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 3: top ten for pound for pound because of how high

697
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 3: we rated Sanhagan coming in.

698
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,239
Speaker 2: I've not kept up with pound for pound. Number ten

699
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 2: right now was Charles Olavera and eleven is Moreno, So

700
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 2: do I think it puts him above that? I mean,

701
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 2: Yon's at thirteen and Sterling's at fifteen. Probably not, Probably not.

702
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 2: But I think it.

703
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 3: Comes more down to how much you penalize the the

704
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 3: morality of the situation, right.

705
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know I don't give a shit about

706
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 2: any of that stuff, but uh, I don't know. Listen,

707
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 2: the win was nice. Here's the thing about to me

708
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 2: about Sanhagen. I don't I don't think anyone could watch

709
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 2: us and be like, oh, he's not championship caliber. I mean,

710
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 2: if anything, he's the best. There's a case you can

711
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 2: make he's the best guy in the division. The thing

712
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 2: is that he just made I'm not gonna call him

713
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 2: rookie mistakes because he's not a rookie, but I'll say this,

714
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 2: I thought Dila Shaw made a lot of really smart

715
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 2: veteran choices. That was the difference in the end in

716
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 2: terms of how we approached the fight. But that's this

717
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 2: is not the best version of san Haagen. If it

718
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 2: was the best version, like he was the existing champion

719
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 2: and Dila Shaw got this win, I would consider a

720
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 2: top ten placement BC. But because he's still little bit

721
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 2: in in the you know, the the final form achieving position,

722
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 2: I got a dock him just a little bit in

723
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 2: terms of a pound for pound runs.

724
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 3: A right final question here, Luke, you think you think

725
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 3: del Shaw can beat Yon? I think you win the

726
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 3: championship again, Yes, I think.

727
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 2: I think Dila Shaw is capable of beating anyone in

728
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 2: this division. Yes, absolutely right.

729
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 3: There you go, there, you go. You heard it right there, Luke.

730
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 2: Take that. He's very very good. All right, let's stay

731
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 2: with more conscient CBC, because the fights were great, but

732
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 2: the judging was a little suspect. Point Number three here

733
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 2: Macy Barber score is a controversial split decision win over

734
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 2: Miranda Maverick. Now subsequently she promoted I think some QAnon

735
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 2: related event, but that's near here north there. She just

736
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 2: didn't see the controversy. OKABC, Let's go back to the beginning,

737
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 2: as we asked about san Haagen and Dillashaw, How you

738
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 2: score this bout and why.

739
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 3: Two to one for Macy Barber And I'm pretty really

740
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 3: about that. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I just f fed

741
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 3: up Miranda Maverick. I said the wrong name. Let me

742
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 3: not think of that, let me not try to be

743
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 3: that guy. Excuse me on that. Yes, and I thought

744
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 3: it was pretty clear. Now, Look, I understand that the

745
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 3: second round was close, and there were there was a

746
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 3: swing of momentum there. I liked Maverick better in that

747
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 3: second round. Maverick looked like a million dollars in the

748
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 3: first look, agree with this. Maverick did not finish the

749
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 3: fight under anything close to how she started it. But

750
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 3: and you know, you can't judge somebody on one round,

751
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 3: or you know Edmund's boy would be a champion right

752
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 3: now because he's incredible in that first round. But in

753
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 3: the first round, Maverick showed us the entire her entire future.

754
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 3: I mean, to all that great stuff you said about

755
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 3: her as a potential champion, as being sort of the

756
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 3: next level in her technique, in IQ of the game,

757
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 3: I mean, she put Barbara in a spot, Luke where

758
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 3: I feel like Macy was afraid to even counter out

759
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 3: of fear of getting stopped because the striking was so

760
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,800
Speaker 3: clean and accurate. Obviously that change. And let's give Macy

761
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 3: credit Luke for waking up and coming after it. But no,

762
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 3: she didn't win this fight. And I think that, you know,

763
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 3: Sanjegan Dilshaw was a lot closer Luke, a lot closer

764
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,879
Speaker 3: than this fight really was. I don't even see Luke.

765
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 3: How do you argue that she won the fight here?

766
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,359
Speaker 3: That's my ibue, Like she had moments in the second round,

767
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 3: but she didn't have enough.

768
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know, I honest to God, don't know.

769
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,840
Speaker 2: I third round, Macy Barber fine, and it looked like

770
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 2: Macy Barber finally came alive there. What was interesting is

771
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:56,359
Speaker 2: as she's gotten a little bit more developed, at least

772
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 2: the last two opponents, she's been a really slow starter.

773
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 2: It wasn't until the third round where she began to

774
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 2: really put it on them or at least, you know,

775
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:08,319
Speaker 2: make it even even ish. And that wasn't the case

776
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 2: before and it has been the last two. Partly I

777
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 2: think is by style. Her and Maverick and Grasso are

778
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,439
Speaker 2: somewhat similar in those ways, but neither here nor there.

779
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 2: Yeah to me, this is a bad one. This is

780
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 2: a bad one. And I can understand the argument that

781
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:24,359
Speaker 2: you know, no doubt about it. Maverick faded in that

782
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 2: third and that's gonna be something she has to look

783
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 2: at because if you hadn't faded, and you could have

784
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 2: just kept it on terms that were you know, reasonably

785
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 2: equal on the feet, she would have won. And so

786
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,360
Speaker 2: that is a thing you do need to correct for.

787
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 2: Fair enough, Okay, However, dude, I just can't see what

788
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,319
Speaker 2: the case for the second round for Barbara could possibly be.

789
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:44,240
Speaker 2: She did have some moments where she was pressing Maverick

790
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 2: into the fence and there were elbows on occasion from that. Again,

791
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 2: to your point, a lot closer with Dilla Shaw I

792
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 2: thought and Sanhagan because of the long pronounced moments this way,

793
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 2: but Miranda Maverick able to I mean, she wizard her

794
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,359
Speaker 2: way out of a takedown. She was able to find

795
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 2: separation for the most part, some control time in the

796
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 2: second round, Barbara having fifty four seconds along the cage.

797
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 2: But this is the point BC. Miranda Maverick's total control

798
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 2: time from the back started around forty five to forty

799
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 2: eight seconds, but she had some ofe than herself. She

800
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 2: had a minute and a half almost of control time,

801
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 2: and she didn't have it from a neutral issh position

802
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 2: fifty to fifty along the fence. She had it from

803
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:21,800
Speaker 2: the freaking back. She landed more strikes, she attempted more strikes,

804
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 2: she landed more significant strikes, She attempted more significant strikes.

805
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 2: You can see the damage for yourself, dude. They fucked

806
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 2: this one up big time. This was not a win,

807
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 2: a clean win for sure for Macy Barber. Even if

808
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 2: I can grant that she survived a little bit of

809
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 2: her early stalling out, never really getting into second or

810
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:40,839
Speaker 2: third gear, and then being able to turn it on late,

811
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 2: I do think that shows some long term potential, especially

812
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 2: if she can find herself in some five round fights.

813
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 2: She might be well suited for that. We'll have to see.

814
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 2: But on this day, in this fight, she did not win.

815
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 3: She needed this win though she needed it big time,

816
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 3: I mean huge. With three losses in a row against

817
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,359
Speaker 3: good competition, been disastrous. What wouldn't it out in her

818
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 3: a pink slip, luke? But uh, it would have been

819
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 3: really bad for her for the way we look at

820
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 3: her and the and for her brand and all that

821
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 3: so she gets a win that we didn't feel she

822
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 3: necessarily deserved, but she needed that. We praised the matchmaking

823
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 3: and the company Luke for putting together a matchup like

824
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 3: this with two fighters this young and promising. Do you

825
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 3: think the outcome was what the UFC would have preferred?

826
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:22,839
Speaker 2: Though?

827
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:24,320
Speaker 3: In the end, I mean, does it is it better

828
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 3: to have random maverick, future potential champion go through this

829
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 3: test and get the right decision, or is it better

830
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 3: that that they both kind of get elevated through this?

831
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 2: Yeah?

832
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:36,359
Speaker 3: I thought that. I not that. I not that I

833
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 3: like the way it played out. I'm just saying, is

834
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 3: this better for management?

835
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 2: Better for management? I'm not. I'm not sure, but I

836
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,959
Speaker 2: think if you are management, you're probably not crying into

837
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 2: your your bowl of soup. And the reason why was

838
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 2: to your point, Barber was about to face the three fights.

839
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 2: I mean, I thought, heady into the third round, she

840
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 2: was gonna be in a three fight losing skid. And

841
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 2: then she won the third and I was like, yeah,

842
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 2: but the second's kind of dicey, And we explained why previously, right,

843
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 2: whether they're they're you know, you can't find that round

844
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 2: for striking alone on someone like Macy Barbie had to

845
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 2: find something else that they were counting neutral positions. But

846
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 2: I'll say this, it's the same thing with san Haagen.

847
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,840
Speaker 2: This is what Mary is to an extent Maverick's performance

848
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:16,399
Speaker 2: with Sanhagen, which is A you could argue that they won,

849
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 2: and B you cannot argue that they were outmatched by

850
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:23,319
Speaker 2: any capacity, but you can argue that you know, there

851
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 2: are still some things that could be worked on that

852
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 2: a future opponent might pick up on if they don't

853
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 2: tighten up now. In the case of san Haagen, I

854
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 2: think some of the more conventional attitudes being adopted towards grappling.

855
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 2: In the case of Mirandom Maverick, you know she has

856
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 2: to She moves a lot. Bec do you notice how

857
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 2: much she was lad orally moving in and out, hopping

858
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 2: on her feet, throwing kicks. I think, you know, working

859
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 2: on her cardio long term is going to be kind

860
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 2: of necessary to get there, whether that's locking in her

861
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 2: diet because of the cut or whatever else. So, yeah,

862
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 2: there definitely are some still some things to work on.

863
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 2: But you watch this fight and you're like, oh right,

864
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 2: Miranda Maverick absolutely has a super bright future in this organization.

865
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:58,320
Speaker 3: It's interesting, though she had won this like we thought

866
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 3: she should have, how much would we have been talking

867
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 3: about a little bit of a scare in round three

868
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 3: or or you know what I mean.

869
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 2: I don't know.

870
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:06,959
Speaker 3: I don't know, Luke. You just you know, I thought,

871
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:09,720
Speaker 3: very soberly put out there that it was a performance

872
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 3: we thought she won. Yet there's still some things to

873
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 3: work on. I wonder if we would have glossed over that, Luke,

874
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 3: if she had gotten the win.

875
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 2: We might have we might have been like, well she faded,

876
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 2: but blah blah blah. And now you know, sometimes when

877
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 2: you get a winning performance or which should be a

878
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:25,839
Speaker 2: winning performance, but the judges don't see it that way,

879
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 2: and there's like a real thing that you did not

880
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 2: do well in the third round. You can clearly point

881
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 2: to it because because dude, if they both had good

882
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 2: energy and they were standing at distance, Mirandom, Maverick's not

883
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 2: losing that fight, period. And that's what you have to

884
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 2: ask yourself, is why wasn't I able to maintain that?

885
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 2: You know, Macy Barbara turned it on late, and you

886
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 2: have to respect that. So I do, do you?

887
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 3: I thought, I thought when Maverick did bring it to

888
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 3: the ground Luke, that was something I almost wanted to

889
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 3: see more of from her. I thought she had an

890
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:54,840
Speaker 3: excellent control from top position. I would have liked to

891
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 3: see more of that. What do you think Barbara did

892
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 3: so well to adjust in that at the end of

893
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 3: that second round?

894
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,399
Speaker 2: She has distance closing issues, and I think she waited

895
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 2: until she could find by better blitzing opportunities, better ways

896
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,319
Speaker 2: to just wrap up in close contact and then force

897
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:12,479
Speaker 2: her way back to the fence, because it's in those

898
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 2: spaces BC where she gets some success. There were a

899
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 2: couple of times she was able to get off to

900
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 2: the side and then throw her right kind of like

901
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 2: an alley not ali jab, but like an alley cross.

902
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 2: Fair enough, but there wasn't a whole lot of that.

903
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 2: It didn't exactly get a hold of it. What really

904
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 2: got Macy Barbara looks to me, gets her opponents to trot,

905
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 2: either she's backing them up or she's the one moving.

906
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 2: And she has very good cardio. I'll give her credit.

907
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 2: She actually has really really good cardio, and she spends

908
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 2: it pretty wisely too, Like she goes harder in positions

909
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 2: where she's a lot stronger rather than sort of maintaining

910
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 2: a pace equally and everywhere in every place, and I

911
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:47,919
Speaker 2: don't think Miranda could keep pace with that over time.

912
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 2: So skill for skill, yes, I think Miranda Maravic is

913
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 2: a Maverick is a lot better. But you know this, dude,

914
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 2: I've seen it painted on the walls of countless mma

915
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 2: Jam's fatigue mixed cowards of men, and certainly Maverick's not

916
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:01,760
Speaker 2: a coward, but it begins to fuck with your decision

917
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,359
Speaker 2: making when you're tired about what kind of output you're

918
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 2: willing to spend.

919
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 3: Unless you're a special kind of cave man. And Luke,

920
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 3: I like how you use the term, uh, you know,

921
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 3: spending your stamina. I still love that there's people like

922
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 3: Puna Siano who will go all in on the first

923
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 3: hand every single time, Luke and just come back from

924
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 3: from being you know, cardiovascularly broke to coming back and

925
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:25,919
Speaker 3: putting it on a guy in a minute later. I mean, guys,

926
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 3: fun to watch. Luke not didn't go his way there

927
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 3: in that prelimitit event, but guy's funnest shit to watch.

928
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 2: Soriano's amazing. Imagine going to see Soriano at the blackjack table.

929
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 2: It must just be every time. Hit me, hit me,

930
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:38,840
Speaker 2: hit me, yeah, hit me, you know what I mean.

931
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:42,240
Speaker 3: I just have twenty Yeah, I too like to live dangerously.

932
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 2: Yes, all gas, no bricks. You gotta love it, you

933
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 2: gotta love it. All right, let's go to h Here

934
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 2: we have point number four. BC. We stayed with this

935
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 2: card again. This card was even losing the comin event

936
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:55,319
Speaker 2: that it did so late, was still pretty spectacular. BC.

937
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 2: We stay in the bantamweight division for the men. This

938
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:00,040
Speaker 2: is what I'm talking about. In the case of the

939
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 2: two gentlemen, they're not even ranked and they put on

940
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:06,760
Speaker 2: a performance like this. Adrian YenS he got his face

941
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 2: jabbed off in the first round and then came back

942
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,800
Speaker 2: and stopped Randy Costa with strikes in the second. BC.

943
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 2: I know you know how I felt about it. It

944
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 2: was an unbelievable fight, super fun. I'm sure you feel

945
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 2: the same. But my question to you is what is

946
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:24,800
Speaker 2: the upside for Yunaz after a very difficult first round

947
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 2: but a spectacular rally in the second.

948
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:30,800
Speaker 3: Huge, huge luke and because he has that fighting spirit,

949
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 3: he has that like that was a beautiful win under

950
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 3: that regard, Because you remember what I talked about last week,

951
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 3: I was like, Luke, you know, and I was speaking

952
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:41,919
Speaker 3: more commercially good looking guy talks good, you know. I said,

953
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 3: Randy Costa kind of has like some upward potential star,

954
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 3: you know, like some star potential there, and you were

955
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 3: like talking more about his ability, you know, yeah, like

956
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 3: he's flashy, he's good, but I got some questions. It

957
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 3: turned out to be exactly that, Lucas. In the first

958
00:42:53,400 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 3: round he looked like in absolute craft, He's gonna bust

959
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 3: out and show you that future star potential and dude,

960
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:10,320
Speaker 3: Yanna's just bit down and was there, Luke. I really

961
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 3: liked this card on paper coming in and I saw

962
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 3: some comments who saying, what the hell's BC talking about,

963
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:17,959
Speaker 3: like go back to boxing, you absolute factory town dirt hole.

964
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 3: And you know, while that's probably a little bit harsh

965
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 3: in the in the latter part of that, I think

966
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 3: this card backed it up. This card had bangers across

967
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 3: the board, Luke, and this felt like the sort of undercard,

968
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 3: you know, mountaintop of these moments. I mean, this was

969
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 3: great theater and I think you when you look it now,

970
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 3: at the totality of Janna's his winning streak, you kind

971
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:39,839
Speaker 3: of need fights like this in that journey to find

972
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 3: out who you really are, Luke, We're finding out who

973
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 3: this guy really is and damn to put to finish

974
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:46,360
Speaker 3: it right there with you know, as he's dripping his

975
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 3: own blood and uh, there's that something special thing, Luke

976
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 3: where Yeah, he's got to tighten up some things and

977
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:53,839
Speaker 3: you gotta work on your craft. But he's got he's

978
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 3: he's got the heart of a lion there and that's

979
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 3: gonna carry him. That's gonna carry him, Luke. Another guy,

980
00:43:57,520 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 3: another guy to get excited about.

981
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, this was one where his mistakes didn't cost him,

982
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:03,839
Speaker 2: but he certainly got a bit of a wake up

983
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 2: call that there are plenty of things to still work on.

984
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 2: So like, I appreciate that Janz has a phenomenal chin,

985
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 2: great composure. This is what I mean, This is what

986
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:16,359
Speaker 2: it means. Everyone's like, oh, you know, we can point

987
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:18,319
Speaker 2: out that someone doesn't like to get hit, and then

988
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 2: the common response is always, well, no one likes to

989
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 2: get hit, right, but some people don't lose their composure.

990
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 2: Adrian Yanez did not lose his composure. He kept it

991
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 2: the entire time, which is a big reason why he won. Now,

992
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 2: Costa has some learning lessons here too, because I think

993
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 2: he just you know, everything was working and so as

994
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:37,280
Speaker 2: a consequence, he just went all gas, no brakes himself

995
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 2: and didn't have enough for the second round. On top

996
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 2: of that, I think Janez made some adjustments about his

997
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:45,360
Speaker 2: range once he got Costa backed up and he was

998
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 2: able to shorten the punches he was smothering Costa's reach,

999
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 2: and then he could get on the inside and the

1000
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 2: beautiful finish where he could go touch, touch, and then

1001
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 2: rip to the body, touch, touch, touch, and then whatever

1002
00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 2: else he wanted to do. It's such a great tactic

1003
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 2: and what it caused as you to do is you're

1004
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 2: changing not just the power of your strikes by going soft, soft,

1005
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 2: soft and then hard, but the tempo as well. And

1006
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:08,320
Speaker 2: then they don't get the location because they're being blinded

1007
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:11,319
Speaker 2: by covering up. Dude. That's like expert level shit right there.

1008
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 2: That is very very good. So does Adrian Janez have

1009
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 2: a lot to work on, No doubt about it, No

1010
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 2: doubt about it. The defense in the first round was

1011
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 2: a real problem and someone else is going to pick

1012
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 2: up on that if he doesn't fix it. However, to

1013
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 2: show the resilience and the resolve and the composure that

1014
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:30,919
Speaker 2: he did with that offensive skill, and now the time

1015
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 2: I think on his side to work on some of

1016
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 2: those defensive things. Offense always comes first, well always generally

1017
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 2: comes first with strikers. Defense a little bit second. It

1018
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 2: didn't cost him the WBC, and he got to flex

1019
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 2: some of the things he does right. This was a

1020
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 2: I'll say this a very valuable moment and opportunity he

1021
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 2: took advantage of here for young.

1022
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 3: As and even though he's got a seven fight winning streak,

1023
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 3: now only you know three of those are on the

1024
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 3: you know, in the octagon, non Dana White Contender series,

1025
00:45:57,600 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 3: So like there's a lot of room he's got to

1026
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 3: grow in a lot of type of you know, more

1027
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 3: climbing the ladder that he's got to show us. But

1028
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 3: I think the difference between over celebrating the heart of

1029
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 3: the line, the fighting spirit, the dramatic comeback is that

1030
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 3: he's also seems to be the real deal around that.

1031
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 3: Whereas you know, there are fighters Darren Elkins, he had

1032
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 3: another Darren the damage victory on this card. Luke, I mean,

1033
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:21,360
Speaker 3: just absolute let me put myself through the meat grinder

1034
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:24,799
Speaker 3: and then be the last guy standing but you know,

1035
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:26,799
Speaker 3: we don't look at that guy as a legitimate and tender.

1036
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:28,320
Speaker 3: We look at him as a very tough out and

1037
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 3: an entertaining fighter. Jan has needed one of those the

1038
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 3: damage type wins. But I think he's also got a lot,

1039
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 3: you know, many more bright categories and things shining on

1040
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 3: him that you're gonna like for the future. But you know,

1041
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:42,479
Speaker 3: time will tell Luke, you got to you gotta climb

1042
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:45,240
Speaker 3: that ladder, and that ladder is unforgiving, especially in this division,

1043
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 3: which is, as we put out there, the deepest in

1044
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 3: the sport at the moment.

1045
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you're Yanas and his team, you have to

1046
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 2: like this because one, it showed you that you could

1047
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 2: get it done despite adversity. Two again the limits that

1048
00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 2: Yanez showed. Defensively, it didn't cost him to win, but

1049
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 2: it was definitely a wake up call. If they want

1050
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 2: to treat it like that, you know what I mean, Like,

1051
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 2: we still get to all the benefits of winning, and

1052
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 2: we get the benefit of recognizing that we have some

1053
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 2: things we have to work on. And then see it

1054
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:13,400
Speaker 2: justifies the UFC push behind him, right, It justifies that

1055
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 2: this guy, Yeah, he can beat good fighters, He can

1056
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 2: do incredible things. We still have to be incremental about

1057
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 2: the climb, and I think that they probably will, but

1058
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 2: you can see that this is a fighter worth paying

1059
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 2: attention to and if you're the organization worth investing in

1060
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:30,440
Speaker 2: for the upside for the future, no doubt about it

1061
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 2: in my mind. All Right, we go to a different

1062
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 2: card this week. BC. It happened on Friday, and no

1063
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 2: way to say it, but other than what happened, Paige

1064
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 2: van Zant loses again. In the main event. She faced

1065
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:45,879
Speaker 2: off against Rachel Ostovich, who was making her BKFC bare

1066
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:49,720
Speaker 2: knuckle generally debut, would certainly her BKFC debut, And here's

1067
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 2: the thing for me, BC, it wasn't really close. Now,

1068
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 2: two judges I believe had at forty eight forty seven

1069
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 2: to one had at forty nine forty six. I think

1070
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:58,360
Speaker 2: either of those are justified. I think I had a

1071
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:04,319
Speaker 2: forty nine forty six. VICH. Has the bare knuckle experiment

1072
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 2: for van Zant been a failure?

1073
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:10,439
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, I mean how else can you say it? Luke?

1074
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 3: She fought adequate in both you know, she was the

1075
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 3: fighter peeking in the Briton Heart fight, even though she

1076
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 3: in my eyes, clearly lost that fight. But she was

1077
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 3: the one peaking light, which led you to believe, okay,

1078
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 3: damage control here right for adjustment period, she'll be back. Well,

1079
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 3: she was back here against a debutant, somebody she had

1080
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 3: already beaten an MMA And I know it's not apples

1081
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 3: to apples, but you get the point. This was a fight.

1082
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:36,360
Speaker 3: We all thought she was gonna win and should have

1083
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:38,240
Speaker 3: won to get on track. And then we'll get britten

1084
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 3: hard up in the bullpen who won in the co

1085
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 3: main event, and all is good. Well, no, it's not

1086
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 3: because Rachel Ostovitch. Luke, let's give her the respect. She

1087
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 3: had the balls to jump off that cliff when Dana didn't.

1088
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 3: I know, she's been a marginal MMA fighter, although there's

1089
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:53,360
Speaker 3: still time if she wanted to do that. She was

1090
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 3: a natural. She was a natural, and Luke, that's the

1091
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 3: thing that is is. I think that's one of the

1092
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:03,320
Speaker 3: major things why we see more washed or recalibrated MMA

1093
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:06,359
Speaker 3: fighters in baron knuckle than we do boxers, because it's

1094
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:08,800
Speaker 3: just it's a different game, Luke. It's a different game

1095
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:11,360
Speaker 3: in terms of your punch output and how hard you

1096
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 3: throw and wear and tear. In all that, Ostovich looked

1097
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:16,879
Speaker 3: like a natural in here, so her her counter right

1098
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:19,919
Speaker 3: hands were perfect, she threw heavy, she was confident all that.

1099
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 3: But you asked about PVZ. Luke, I don't think she's

1100
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 3: gonna do what I'm about to say, but this might

1101
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 3: be the time to just cut ties and get out

1102
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 3: of the sport right now. I know she was brought

1103
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 3: in for big money and there's expectations to carry the brand.

1104
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:36,400
Speaker 3: And Luke, you had to ask was this a failure?

1105
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 3: I think it's a personal failure. I do want to

1106
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 3: have the conversation with you whether this has been a

1107
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:43,880
Speaker 3: failure for BKFC. I think you can argue not, but

1108
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:47,279
Speaker 3: for her personally, this has been a failure. You're owing

1109
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:50,319
Speaker 3: two and and you know you don't want to run

1110
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:52,799
Speaker 3: the risk of going oh and three and oh and four,

1111
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 3: And it's just I mean, it gets it can get

1112
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:57,400
Speaker 3: really bad, it can get worse. Are we really just

1113
00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 3: going to keep trying to find lesser competition that you

1114
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 3: can be I think, Luke, you know what I think

1115
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 3: she should do. Take what she got from here financially

1116
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 3: and in terms of the close up on her brand,

1117
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:11,240
Speaker 3: and also in terms of the really good boxing training

1118
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:14,800
Speaker 3: through these two fights and bring that back to MMA,

1119
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 3: specifically in Belatore. Luke this, you know, these beltoor women's

1120
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 3: divisions are starting to populate, which is good, but they're

1121
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 3: not they're not as deep at the moment as the UFC.

1122
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 3: She's a viable title contender tomorrow in my eyes in

1123
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 3: Belator if she wanted to make that transition there where

1124
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 3: her husband is a rising middleweight. And I think for

1125
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:35,880
Speaker 3: her brand from the fighting standpoint, not from the crossover

1126
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 3: you know, get you to subscribe to your website standpoint,

1127
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 3: from just from the fighting's credibility standpoint. If she went

1128
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:44,919
Speaker 3: out to a major MMA organization like Bellator was able

1129
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:47,840
Speaker 3: to win a title, that's that's credibility back on her

1130
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 3: name that has been lost from her bad UFC exit

1131
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:53,320
Speaker 3: and certainly has been lost here from these two losses.

1132
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 3: So maybe the times now Luke to circle back into

1133
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:00,839
Speaker 3: MMA and to try to do things like maybe going

1134
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:03,279
Speaker 3: after a title in belts or where you could that

1135
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 3: would look really good. And uh, I think it's something

1136
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:08,920
Speaker 3: that she can do. And I think this boxing sort

1137
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:11,359
Speaker 3: of you know, break that she's gone through will help

1138
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 3: her full well rounded game in MMA in the future.

1139
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 3: But should she keep trying to find people she can

1140
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:18,800
Speaker 3: beat in the bare knuckle. I don't think there's anything

1141
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:21,839
Speaker 3: to be gained but scars, Luke. Okay, I mean this

1142
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 3: is this is a this is a hard ash for Luke.

1143
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 3: You are right, this is this is the gas station

1144
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 3: of combat sports. Okay, And I happen to kind of

1145
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 3: starting to really like it. But it's it's not for

1146
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:35,840
Speaker 3: her kind, and that's why we were surprised that she

1147
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:38,239
Speaker 3: signed here. And no, this has been a failure for

1148
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 3: her personal brand, Luke, it has.

1149
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:45,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, I watched this fight and it's I just don't

1150
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:48,319
Speaker 2: understand what her what her team was thinking here a

1151
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 2: little bit. Now, they're not dummies by instretch. It's not

1152
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:53,840
Speaker 2: what I'm suggesting. Rather, again I'm using the words pretty clearly.

1153
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 2: I don't understand because when I look at this and

1154
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:58,399
Speaker 2: not clearly I don't have all the information. It does

1155
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:00,839
Speaker 2: seem like from a business standpoint, it may have been

1156
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 2: a risk worth taking seriously, right because I think the

1157
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 2: checks were pretty good. And I have to give it

1158
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:09,239
Speaker 2: to BKFC, like they have featured you know, they do

1159
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:10,880
Speaker 2: their best. I think with the means that they have

1160
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 2: to promote their stars and find them equitable situations which

1161
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:16,759
Speaker 2: to make money or give them visibility, for example, putting

1162
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 2: Rachel and Paige Van's ants in individual website URLs in

1163
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:23,799
Speaker 2: the center of the ring and things like that. Like

1164
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 2: they're always pretty clever about finding ways to work as

1165
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:28,959
Speaker 2: partners with their fighters, and so between that and between

1166
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 2: the checks and between how different I think they thought

1167
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 2: it was that this would be a really good opportunity

1168
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 2: for her. So in that sense, I kind of get it, okay,

1169
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:38,839
Speaker 2: But let's separate that out and just go and look

1170
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 2: at what we see on tape and then look at

1171
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:43,279
Speaker 2: what we see in previous videos in which she was

1172
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 2: in MMA. You know, how many times can you point

1173
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:47,879
Speaker 2: out in which case where she won cleanly with her

1174
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 2: hands throughout the course of about That's really not the

1175
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 2: way that she ever won. She won with like in

1176
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 2: the case of beck rawlings, jumping switch kicks, or you know,

1177
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:58,920
Speaker 2: these these weird blitzes and you know, these sort of

1178
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:02,319
Speaker 2: tangled grappling positions and then these flurries where she just

1179
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 2: kind of would outflurry the other person and then and

1180
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 2: do better. And she was a little bit more coordinated

1181
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:08,400
Speaker 2: in her fight with Ostovich the first time when they

1182
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 2: fought in MMA, which is why she won, But even

1183
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 2: that one, she didn't win on the feet, And it

1184
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 2: was like, I don't understand why they thought this would

1185
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 2: be the best way for her to secure a combat

1186
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 2: sports future when it's not that she's bad at this.

1187
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:25,400
Speaker 2: I don't think that that's the argument. But that's not

1188
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 2: the way that she is typically won, nor is it

1189
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:31,320
Speaker 2: the way, nor is it the among her skill sets.

1190
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:33,319
Speaker 2: The thing that stands out to me, I said this

1191
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:34,759
Speaker 2: before we see what stands out to me is that

1192
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:38,440
Speaker 2: she can combine so many different elements and variables of

1193
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:42,360
Speaker 2: chaos and harness them against overmatched opposition once it's overmatched,

1194
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:45,800
Speaker 2: sometimes by her own will. That's the place she succeeded.

1195
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 2: But a coordinated two minute round where you're trying to

1196
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 2: box do she walked into Ostovich's range for five rounds

1197
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 2: and got bodied for it. And I'm like, dude, how

1198
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 2: do you not understand that that's not the best way

1199
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:03,320
Speaker 2: for you to professionally proceive yours. I'm surprised by it, honestly.

1200
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 3: That's why I would you agree with me that if possible,

1201
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 3: it would be Now would be the time to just eject.

1202
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 2: I'm not really on board with that. I mean, I don't.

1203
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 2: It's not that I can declare that you're wrong BC

1204
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 2: when you said I have to think about it a

1205
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 2: little bit. But you know me, I've sort of buried

1206
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 2: people before they've been ready, and I've regretted doing that

1207
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:28,479
Speaker 2: in the past. I'll say this, I still would leave

1208
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:31,359
Speaker 2: the door open in exactly the way that you have,

1209
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 2: which is if you want to go to MMA, and

1210
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 2: you can do it under the promoter that understands your strengths.

1211
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:40,840
Speaker 2: And honestly, BC, at this point, I think some rebuilding

1212
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 2: is frankly in order here as well. Then yes, I

1213
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:47,399
Speaker 2: think absolutely going forward would be a very good call,

1214
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:49,440
Speaker 2: or at least the one that is worth taking seriously

1215
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:53,359
Speaker 2: like any other offer, but continued bare knuckle, I don't

1216
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:57,799
Speaker 2: think is a good idea. Or boxing or kickboxing would

1217
00:54:57,800 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 2: maybe be a little bit better, but what big fights

1218
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:01,839
Speaker 2: are there? Honestly feel like if you want to stay

1219
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:04,800
Speaker 2: in combat sports, do the thing you're good at, which

1220
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 2: is bring in a storm and make it rain on

1221
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:09,880
Speaker 2: these folks, and then when they can't figure out how

1222
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 2: to stay. You know, I'm a torture metaphor here, but

1223
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 2: you get the idea that the flurries, the blitz is

1224
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 2: the chaos. That's the space in which she is an

1225
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:19,319
Speaker 2: absolute dynamo, and you just don't see that over here.

1226
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:22,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, if I was Paige, I would swallow my pride

1227
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:24,880
Speaker 3: consider choking on the Ryans Luke and the lack thereof

1228
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:27,799
Speaker 3: has really left her brand empty inside. But it's time

1229
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 3: to go. But here's the deal about BKFC, Luke, Dude,

1230
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 3: I want to hate it, and I really like it.

1231
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 3: I mean, Brent Brookhouse was right, Luke. So here's what

1232
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:37,440
Speaker 3: I figured out. I really liked that.

1233
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 2: Wait wait, wait what did Brent say? What did Brent say?

1234
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 2: Set the table first? Dude?

1235
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:44,360
Speaker 3: Brenton Brookhouse a writer at CBS Sports, veteran combat sports journalist.

1236
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:47,239
Speaker 3: You know, you know who he is. He has from

1237
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 3: day one been watching these not even the page ones

1238
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:51,920
Speaker 3: like the other in between Paige, like you know, the

1239
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:55,440
Speaker 3: equivalent to the Bellatore Thackerville version of these, Luke. And

1240
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 3: he's been from day one BKFC as fun as shit.

1241
00:55:58,440 --> 00:55:59,719
Speaker 3: And I guess the reason why I didn't want to

1242
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:02,759
Speaker 3: get on board right away because I don't actually necessarily

1243
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:06,319
Speaker 3: love the fighting, Like it's kind of weird, right, It's

1244
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:09,760
Speaker 3: like Okay. I do like a good bare knuckle boxing

1245
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 3: fight that gets dramatic and exciting, Yes, but I think

1246
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:14,480
Speaker 3: it's a little bit also stupid, Luke, in this modern

1247
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:17,959
Speaker 3: age to be knuckling up and doing this. I love

1248
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:23,279
Speaker 3: the circus around it. Luke, this is to me BKFC

1249
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 3: has captured this. Okay, And Brett Brookhouse is also an

1250
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 3: old school wrestling fan as myself. They found a way

1251
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:32,760
Speaker 3: to do real professional wrestling, meaning the fights are very real,

1252
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:36,960
Speaker 3: but everything around it is like pro wrestling meets Jerry

1253
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 3: Springer meets like where did they find these characters? Because

1254
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:43,879
Speaker 3: I cannot stop watching this reality TV that they put

1255
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:46,480
Speaker 3: out there, and Luke, I think you This is where

1256
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:50,960
Speaker 3: it ties back into the question of this was pvz's

1257
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 3: experiment with BKFC, which is ongoing. We're not saying it's over,

1258
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:56,560
Speaker 3: we're arguing whether it should be. But did that elevate

1259
00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:59,719
Speaker 3: the brand of BKFC. I think one, Luke. They have

1260
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 3: used Page's name to create characters like britton Hart that

1261
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 3: I kind of want to see in this new one,

1262
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:10,319
Speaker 3: Taylor Starling. They signed pro Gonzales, who britten Hart call

1263
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:14,200
Speaker 3: you know, called out afterwards? You mixing Ostovich like they've

1264
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 3: used pvz's name to really make this division of oddballs.

1265
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:21,439
Speaker 3: Luke and I don't even know if all these women

1266
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 3: are in around the same way. But if i'm BKFC,

1267
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 3: i'd relax the weight rules too and just put him

1268
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:29,320
Speaker 3: in there. It's almost pro wrestling, like their heavyweight division

1269
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:32,120
Speaker 3: is like that which features Joey Beltran at the top,

1270
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 3: And it's just sort of like the promos they cut

1271
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:39,320
Speaker 3: afterwards are absolutely ridiculous. Look, it's just like gas station

1272
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:41,520
Speaker 3: hot dogs at the end, Bro, But you know, I

1273
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 3: can't avoid it, and I'm into what they're doing. It's

1274
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:48,440
Speaker 3: not like MUSKYTV, but Luke something. It is so in

1275
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 3: that other direction of train wreck that I can't get

1276
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:55,120
Speaker 3: away from it. So the PVZ experiment for me has

1277
00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:57,960
Speaker 3: been a big pluster. BKFC and I think if they

1278
00:57:58,040 --> 00:58:02,240
Speaker 3: keep going after the box or MMA star who's got

1279
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:05,919
Speaker 3: a little bit of that carnival ridiculousness pro wrestling to them,

1280
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:10,360
Speaker 3: they could make these fights much closer to mus See Luke.

1281
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 3: At the end of the day, they get their mood,

1282
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:13,560
Speaker 3: they're getting somewhere with this is where I'm going.

1283
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 2: To Basically, Yeah, they're fun dude, they're fun. I mean,

1284
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:19,800
Speaker 2: they're crazy, and uh, you know it's not sometimes they

1285
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:23,120
Speaker 2: feel like bodega fights, but uh, they get it done.

1286
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 2: At least their brawls go viral every time. They always

1287
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 2: have a brawl, and they always go viral, So God

1288
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 2: bless them. I guess.

1289
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 3: All right, then, if you get down with the actual sport,

1290
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 3: like it was almost like wrestling in the nineties. Look,

1291
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 3: I've been a wrestling fan of whole my life, but

1292
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:40,440
Speaker 3: I'm not always a fan of the genius of what

1293
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 3: happens in the ring. Sometimes I just want to hear

1294
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:44,320
Speaker 3: the promos and the shit talking and all that, you know.

1295
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:48,160
Speaker 2: I like the two minute rounds, and I like that

1296
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:49,600
Speaker 2: they have to toe the line where they have to

1297
00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:52,280
Speaker 2: start like really close to one another. I don't like

1298
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:54,720
Speaker 2: the rounded ring. I think that's actually a bit of

1299
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:59,440
Speaker 2: a problem. But you know, dude, they've got that. You're right, dude,

1300
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 2: they've got a roove that they're in. You can clearly tell.

1301
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:05,480
Speaker 2: And I think to some extent it's working. I don't

1302
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 2: know exactly how much, but and they probably would have

1303
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:10,280
Speaker 2: loved to get a couple of wins out of page,

1304
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:12,440
Speaker 2: you know, and they didn't but for the two losses

1305
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:15,040
Speaker 2: that she provided, they got a lot out of that

1306
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:17,240
Speaker 2: and they made it work. And dude, they're talking about

1307
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 2: having blue Face again some rapper fight to Kashi six ' nine,

1308
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:23,520
Speaker 2: which I gotta tell you, you could say that's the dumbest

1309
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:25,280
Speaker 2: thing on earth, and it is. I mean, let's be

1310
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:29,400
Speaker 2: clear about it. It's it's absolutely moronic. It would sell a

1311
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:32,600
Speaker 2: gazillion pay per views if they made it, so they

1312
00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:33,520
Speaker 2: probably are gonna try.

1313
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:36,600
Speaker 3: We'll see Blueface on have you seen this shit? Shortly?

1314
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:39,040
Speaker 3: But they did bring in that rapper for an actual

1315
00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:42,120
Speaker 3: boxing match with real gloves against some TikToker and Luke.

1316
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:44,480
Speaker 3: It was all over the internet, so I think David

1317
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:47,800
Speaker 3: Feldman in Company's gamble has worked out.

1318
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 2: Okay, would that be? See? It is time for you

1319
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 2: and I to stop asking each other questions and for

1320
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:55,800
Speaker 2: us to start answering questions from the audience. It's time

1321
00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:59,720
Speaker 2: for dms from the diggity dogs. Let's do it. We've

1322
00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:09,200
Speaker 2: got uh okay from at Cha Underscore Vita. What do

1323
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:12,680
Speaker 2: you think of San Haagen versus O'Malley next? And how

1324
01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:14,840
Speaker 2: batshit crazy would that fight be? I don't think that's

1325
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:16,479
Speaker 2: a good fight for O'Malley right now.

1326
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:19,200
Speaker 3: It's not a good fight for the promotion to put

1327
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:20,440
Speaker 3: out there right now. It would be a little bit

1328
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:24,280
Speaker 3: promotional malpractice. But uh yeah, I mean just styles wise,

1329
01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:26,160
Speaker 3: do we want to see that fight when Sugar Shawn

1330
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:28,040
Speaker 3: proves a little bit more that he's ready for it, Yes,

1331
01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:30,440
Speaker 3: we want to see that. But Luke, I think the

1332
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:32,600
Speaker 3: spinoff of this question is something we didn't hit earlier

1333
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:34,640
Speaker 3: when we broke this down. Who should be next for

1334
01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:39,280
Speaker 3: Corey Sandagan based upon his pinky promised talk with Sean Shelby.

1335
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:42,840
Speaker 2: What do you mean? Oh, you mean like I have

1336
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:43,880
Speaker 2: the next opponent.

1337
01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:47,680
Speaker 3: That he's one went away from a title shot. Still, yes, I.

1338
01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:51,720
Speaker 2: Don't really understand that because he's sitting at two, Yon's

1339
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:54,640
Speaker 2: at one, and Jan and Sterling have business. I guess

1340
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:57,680
Speaker 2: he could fight Rob font or Jose Aldo and see

1341
01:00:57,720 --> 01:01:01,760
Speaker 2: how that goes. That that might work. Yeah, either of those.

1342
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:04,479
Speaker 3: Jose, that's a that's a that's a musty mane event.

1343
01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:08,280
Speaker 2: Dude, that's an interesting fight because one Jose has very

1344
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:10,280
Speaker 2: he won't really go for it necessarily, but if he

1345
01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:13,080
Speaker 2: wants it, he's got phenomenal jiu jitsu, He's got a

1346
01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:15,880
Speaker 2: really good jiu jitsu, and obviously you know there's a

1347
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:18,640
Speaker 2: question about to what extent Corey is a little too

1348
01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:22,320
Speaker 2: willing to accept damage. Those kicks from Aldo would be tremendous.

1349
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:25,800
Speaker 2: At the same time, Corey is a headhunter if when

1350
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:28,240
Speaker 2: sometimes at times he can be and he's very accurate,

1351
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:29,920
Speaker 2: and that has been a bit of a known weakness

1352
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:32,040
Speaker 2: for Albo, even though he's got very good slipping over

1353
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:34,320
Speaker 2: the course of a longer fight, like Max Holloway kind

1354
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:37,480
Speaker 2: of showed. So there are ways, there are ways that

1355
01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:38,720
Speaker 2: could be very very interesting.

1356
01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:42,560
Speaker 3: Do you think Pipples jujuits is better than although.

1357
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:45,560
Speaker 2: No, I don't. I think it's probably on par but

1358
01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:46,640
Speaker 2: not better.

1359
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:52,120
Speaker 3: And do you think Piple what's Pipple's realistic ceiling to

1360
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:56,880
Speaker 3: retire in the all time great Brazilian rankings? Like, like

1361
01:01:57,080 --> 01:01:59,560
Speaker 3: is he? I mean he's not gonna pass Anderson or

1362
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:02,520
Speaker 3: probably not all though, But where do you think he

1363
01:02:02,560 --> 01:02:03,160
Speaker 3: could end up?

1364
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:06,840
Speaker 2: Probably we should probably put like a list and like

1365
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:09,840
Speaker 2: tiers of Brazilian legends, you know, and where they would fit.

1366
01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:12,480
Speaker 2: I don't know, man, like the Brazilian Mma Hall of

1367
01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:15,720
Speaker 2: Fame is you're doing it if you're doing it right,

1368
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:17,280
Speaker 2: it's tough to get into because.

1369
01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:21,160
Speaker 3: The competition and vonder lays. You got to remember Upon

1370
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:24,480
Speaker 3: and yeah, there's it's deep. And I remember a time

1371
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:26,600
Speaker 3: when you know, Baron Barrat was number one pop Upon.

1372
01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:29,439
Speaker 3: I remember those times for sure. Did take that away

1373
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:30,360
Speaker 3: from us? Yes you did?

1374
01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:33,840
Speaker 2: Yeah you did, all right? From at Carlos Sparks with

1375
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:37,560
Speaker 2: a Z xn Z. Do you think anyone in the

1376
01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:41,919
Speaker 2: UFC slash Bellotour, in the UFC Slash Bellotour will take

1377
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:44,360
Speaker 2: Eddie Bravo up on the two thousand dollars challenge? You

1378
01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:47,400
Speaker 2: know what he's talking about. I have no idea. Okay,

1379
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:49,680
Speaker 2: so if you know what, you know what a twister is, right,

1380
01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:52,360
Speaker 2: So you essentially pull their hips one way and then

1381
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:53,640
Speaker 2: you pull their head the other.

1382
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:56,920
Speaker 3: He's got some idea for elbows during the twist.

1383
01:02:57,040 --> 01:02:59,280
Speaker 2: Yes, So the way you would finish a twister is

1384
01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:01,520
Speaker 2: obviously you're gonna pull their hips one way and then

1385
01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:03,520
Speaker 2: their head's gonna go the other. And when you do,

1386
01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:05,600
Speaker 2: you come around the crown of the head and then

1387
01:03:05,640 --> 01:03:07,600
Speaker 2: you crank it the opposite direction of the hips from

1388
01:03:07,600 --> 01:03:10,320
Speaker 2: the spine so that the spine gets twisted. Right, But

1389
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:12,600
Speaker 2: rather than you pull the head behind you is the

1390
01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:14,920
Speaker 2: way to sort of like get the opening to the head,

1391
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:18,600
Speaker 2: but rather BC then going for the head to then

1392
01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:21,440
Speaker 2: grab around the crown and then turn it. Instead, you

1393
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:23,880
Speaker 2: put your arm through on the same side and then

1394
01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:28,240
Speaker 2: you go elbow unobstructed to the ribs until you get

1395
01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:30,400
Speaker 2: them to stop or a TKO or you can even

1396
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:32,919
Speaker 2: do it to the face to a degree. And he's saying,

1397
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:35,400
Speaker 2: anyone who wins that way, he's gonna give them two

1398
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:39,200
Speaker 2: two thousand dollars. Do you think anyone in those organizations

1399
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:42,520
Speaker 2: will because what they said was regional MMA doesn't count,

1400
01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:45,080
Speaker 2: so you can't do it like you know, bumfuck FC,

1401
01:03:45,240 --> 01:03:47,440
Speaker 2: It's got to be a high level ish organization. What

1402
01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:47,840
Speaker 2: do you think?

1403
01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:51,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm into this. Look. I want to know what

1404
01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:53,040
Speaker 3: we're gonna name it afterwards? Will we name it after

1405
01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:54,080
Speaker 3: Eddie Bravo? We should?

1406
01:03:55,640 --> 01:03:58,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know what it's called though, exaid, the Twister,

1407
01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:00,720
Speaker 2: the Twister, ground and pound. I don't know the lightning.

1408
01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:02,120
Speaker 2: I don't know what the fuck they want to call that.

1409
01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:04,200
Speaker 2: But I actually.

1410
01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:05,200
Speaker 3: Think conspiracy theory.

1411
01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:10,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, I actually feel like someone will do it because

1412
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:13,919
Speaker 2: MMA is crazy. It'll just take some time. Yes, It'll

1413
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:16,720
Speaker 2: just take some time, all right, from Ben Schnetzer, who

1414
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:20,800
Speaker 2: was verified. Now that moy Thai is recognized by the IOC,

1415
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:23,360
Speaker 2: which countries other than Thailand do you see placing on

1416
01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:26,880
Speaker 2: the podium at future Olympic Games? To what extent do

1417
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:29,360
Speaker 2: you think Olympic status will boost the profile popularity of

1418
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:31,840
Speaker 2: traditional Mui Thai in the US? I don't know taekwondo's

1419
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:33,800
Speaker 2: in the Olympics, and ain't nobody fucking beating down their

1420
01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:37,120
Speaker 2: doors to go train, So there's that. I'll say this. Obviously,

1421
01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:40,280
Speaker 2: the Dutch are probably go a field some pretty strong competitors.

1422
01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:43,360
Speaker 2: The US will probably have some as well. Brazil I

1423
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:48,080
Speaker 2: suspect we'll have a strong tradition. I don't know about

1424
01:04:48,120 --> 01:04:50,800
Speaker 2: places like Japan. Obviously they have good kickboxing there, but

1425
01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:52,600
Speaker 2: you know, I don't know what the rules would be

1426
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:54,800
Speaker 2: for that and how much they could adapt. But you know,

1427
01:04:54,880 --> 01:05:00,120
Speaker 2: some of the traditional powerhouses b see Russia as a potential.

1428
01:04:59,720 --> 01:05:04,160
Speaker 3: Sleep Burma Burma, Yeah, I've been I've been scouting my

1429
01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:07,880
Speaker 3: enmar lately. They're they're uh, yeah.

1430
01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:08,680
Speaker 2: Do you know who? I don't. I don't know how

1431
01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:10,640
Speaker 2: to pronounce his last name, So I'm gonna get it wrong.

1432
01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:12,960
Speaker 2: Do you know who when he calls himself king, I

1433
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:16,360
Speaker 2: think it's pronounced leduke l u d u c l

1434
01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:20,120
Speaker 2: excuse me, l E d u see on social media?

1435
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:23,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I know, I'm aware of that person.

1436
01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:25,720
Speaker 2: Yes, he's a he's a striker, but he he fights

1437
01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:28,560
Speaker 2: in litheway, which is like there they allow head butts

1438
01:05:28,600 --> 01:05:30,920
Speaker 2: and so you'll see him sparring and fighting and then

1439
01:05:31,240 --> 01:05:34,360
Speaker 2: landing the head butt. He's uh, they wouldn't allow that

1440
01:05:34,360 --> 01:05:37,880
Speaker 2: in the Olympics, but he's He's an intriguing dude. His

1441
01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:38,960
Speaker 2: career has been interesting.

1442
01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:41,760
Speaker 3: I scoured the world to find out who puts the

1443
01:05:41,840 --> 01:05:43,880
Speaker 3: bang in Bangladesh? If you know what I mean. You

1444
01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:45,200
Speaker 3: know what I mean. I'm all up on this.

1445
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:52,120
Speaker 2: You ever been to Bangladesh? All right? From Glow Glow Loo?

1446
01:05:53,080 --> 01:05:54,840
Speaker 2: I don't know who the fuck that would be? Luke?

1447
01:05:55,080 --> 01:05:57,360
Speaker 2: Who told you to put this two thousand and five?

1448
01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:01,800
Speaker 2: My chemical romance? Be me on? Let's see, Oh is

1449
01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:04,400
Speaker 2: this from the picture yesterday? Yeah, dude, I mean kind

1450
01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:05,840
Speaker 2: of look like a big piece of shit.

1451
01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:09,360
Speaker 3: Those are from our engagement picks. Look that that that uh,

1452
01:06:09,560 --> 01:06:11,400
Speaker 3: when you and I did that photo shoot with our

1453
01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:14,120
Speaker 3: MK staff. They're like, actually, guys, could if you could

1454
01:06:14,160 --> 01:06:17,320
Speaker 3: just you guys, wouldn't actually mind kissing during this You know,

1455
01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:18,760
Speaker 3: it could make these these photos a lot.

1456
01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:22,320
Speaker 2: I mean, this the only reason this didn't turn into

1457
01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:25,840
Speaker 2: I actually, I don't even want to say that. I'll

1458
01:06:25,880 --> 01:06:28,439
Speaker 2: just say this, Yes, I needed an adult chaperone during

1459
01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:31,520
Speaker 2: this photo shoot, and I was very uncomfortable, and I

1460
01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:34,520
Speaker 2: obviously looked like the biggest fucking dufist. I mean, could

1461
01:06:34,560 --> 01:06:37,560
Speaker 2: I look you know, I'm like the kind of asshole

1462
01:06:37,560 --> 01:06:42,040
Speaker 2: that steals people's mailboxes and fucking prank calls pizza places.

1463
01:06:42,080 --> 01:06:43,880
Speaker 2: I mean, I just look like an obvious loser.

1464
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:46,840
Speaker 3: I look like I own a long cair business luke right.

1465
01:06:47,560 --> 01:06:49,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's not doing too well, Like you're underwater

1466
01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:50,880
Speaker 2: at the same time, you know.

1467
01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:53,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we only work four months a year. What

1468
01:06:53,600 --> 01:06:55,360
Speaker 3: do you want from us? You know it doesn't it's

1469
01:06:55,400 --> 01:06:55,800
Speaker 3: not Yeah.

1470
01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:57,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm the guy who's like, hey, why don't you

1471
01:06:57,480 --> 01:06:59,840
Speaker 2: want to come over and swim in my above ground pool?

1472
01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:00,160
Speaker 4: Oh?

1473
01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:02,640
Speaker 2: I don't know, because you're a fucking creep. Look at this?

1474
01:07:04,280 --> 01:07:05,600
Speaker 3: Got candy for your kids?

1475
01:07:05,680 --> 01:07:05,919
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1476
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:08,960
Speaker 3: Okay, let's say Coach Sandesky, get the hell away.

1477
01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:13,320
Speaker 2: From us, you know, all right, from uh at Sasquatch Toys.

1478
01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:18,680
Speaker 2: When will BC get producer credits for his interviews and documentaries? Well,

1479
01:07:19,200 --> 01:07:21,200
Speaker 2: I don't know, BCD, should you get should you get

1480
01:07:21,240 --> 01:07:23,480
Speaker 2: production credit for the documentaries?

1481
01:07:24,560 --> 01:07:26,480
Speaker 3: I mean they are they're calling my Dill Shaw interview

1482
01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:28,240
Speaker 3: from last week the best of the year, Luke, so

1483
01:07:28,280 --> 01:07:30,320
Speaker 3: I should probably get something, But no, they don't give

1484
01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:33,960
Speaker 3: me ship, Luke. Okay, Jake are fantastic. By the way, people,

1485
01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:37,360
Speaker 3: doc four it's just about done, Luke. You and I've

1486
01:07:37,360 --> 01:07:40,959
Speaker 3: seen the like, like the final cut on this it's ready.

1487
01:07:41,240 --> 01:07:43,120
Speaker 2: It's the first one since the first one that I

1488
01:07:43,160 --> 01:07:44,000
Speaker 2: thought was amusing.

1489
01:07:44,840 --> 01:07:46,840
Speaker 3: But Luke, I'm not into that ship like you are.

1490
01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:48,960
Speaker 3: You're big into like people giving you credit and taking

1491
01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:52,200
Speaker 3: note of Like, dude, you know what I mean? Like,

1492
01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:56,840
Speaker 3: oh whatever, Bro, Here's the thing, Luke, here's the thing.

1493
01:07:56,880 --> 01:07:58,960
Speaker 3: People know when they watch the show, they know why

1494
01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:00,640
Speaker 3: they're watching it, Lukey, you know what I'm saying.

1495
01:08:01,080 --> 01:08:03,560
Speaker 2: Yep, all right, Well, with that in mind, it's time

1496
01:08:03,600 --> 01:08:06,040
Speaker 2: for us to watch elder abuse and fat girls get

1497
01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:07,160
Speaker 2: hit with shovels.

1498
01:08:07,840 --> 01:08:10,880
Speaker 3: Those things happen here, Luke, each week. Have you seen

1499
01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:11,280
Speaker 3: this shit?

1500
01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:16,920
Speaker 2: It's like twenty minutes of fat chicks stepping on rakes.

1501
01:08:17,479 --> 01:08:20,200
Speaker 3: We yeah, well, well we Scot with the Globe blue

1502
01:08:20,320 --> 01:08:22,360
Speaker 3: heis and lows good and bad, all that stuff, combat

1503
01:08:22,360 --> 01:08:25,799
Speaker 3: sports and beyond him. We started BKFC nineteen in Tampa.

1504
01:08:25,880 --> 01:08:31,000
Speaker 3: Luke Blueface the rapper out boxes some TikToker, but Luke,

1505
01:08:31,080 --> 01:08:34,800
Speaker 3: things got heated afterwards. As promoter David Feldman how to

1506
01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:36,840
Speaker 3: step in between Luke, we got bra folks. We're on

1507
01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:40,320
Speaker 3: national television right here. Yes, gentlemen, gentlemen.

1508
01:08:40,760 --> 01:08:43,200
Speaker 2: Wow, that guy leaped the top road pretty pretty nimbly.

1509
01:08:43,240 --> 01:08:43,759
Speaker 2: That was great.

1510
01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:46,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is like UFC two twenty nine out of nowhere.

1511
01:08:46,600 --> 01:08:50,640
Speaker 2: Luke love it. That's what Listen. If you go to

1512
01:08:50,720 --> 01:08:53,280
Speaker 2: a region, this is not regional, this is national or international,

1513
01:08:53,280 --> 01:08:57,040
Speaker 2: I guess, but you know it's also got regional mma

1514
01:08:57,240 --> 01:08:59,920
Speaker 2: and boxing feels. If you go to an event like

1515
01:09:00,240 --> 01:09:02,280
Speaker 2: that and there's not a brawl, you didn't get your

1516
01:09:02,280 --> 01:09:02,840
Speaker 2: money's worth?

1517
01:09:03,400 --> 01:09:04,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, can I get Can I have my money back?

1518
01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:07,200
Speaker 2: Please? Yes? Yeah?

1519
01:09:07,760 --> 01:09:09,920
Speaker 3: All right, that's great. I don't even know how the

1520
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:13,120
Speaker 3: started or why, Luke. I just enjoyed the the the

1521
01:09:13,160 --> 01:09:18,080
Speaker 3: crazy with the pink suit, just watching it. Oh yeah.

1522
01:09:18,080 --> 01:09:22,000
Speaker 3: We mentioned Rachel Ostovich defeated Paige van Zandt by decision

1523
01:09:22,040 --> 01:09:24,160
Speaker 3: in the main event. Luke, we talked about those counter

1524
01:09:24,240 --> 01:09:27,120
Speaker 3: right hands. Here's a nice little jiff, if you will,

1525
01:09:27,400 --> 01:09:29,559
Speaker 3: of the kind of shots she was landing all night,

1526
01:09:29,640 --> 01:09:31,280
Speaker 3: buckleing PVZ big time.

1527
01:09:31,760 --> 01:09:33,640
Speaker 2: That punch I think was in the fourth round. That

1528
01:09:33,680 --> 01:09:35,320
Speaker 2: was the best punch she landed the whole fight. Me,

1529
01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:37,400
Speaker 2: I mean, she got this is what I mean. She

1530
01:09:37,560 --> 01:09:40,200
Speaker 2: just would she would walk into range behind her jab,

1531
01:09:40,720 --> 01:09:42,559
Speaker 2: but she wouldn't set it up. There'd be no feints,

1532
01:09:42,600 --> 01:09:44,720
Speaker 2: and then Ostovich was just time it right over the

1533
01:09:44,760 --> 01:09:46,760
Speaker 2: top every time. It was crazy, but that was the

1534
01:09:46,760 --> 01:09:49,160
Speaker 2: best version of it. Boom. Would you want to see

1535
01:09:49,640 --> 01:09:51,800
Speaker 2: what's your PVC's got a chin? She got a chin?

1536
01:09:52,439 --> 01:09:54,240
Speaker 3: She don't? Yeah? Oh oh she's tough of shit. There's

1537
01:09:54,240 --> 01:09:57,920
Speaker 3: no question about it. What's your VKFC dream match right now?

1538
01:09:58,000 --> 01:09:59,639
Speaker 3: Is it britten Hard against Ostovich?

1539
01:09:59,680 --> 01:09:59,880
Speaker 2: Which?

1540
01:10:00,200 --> 01:10:02,160
Speaker 3: Who are you picking here? Who's coming out of this?

1541
01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:03,960
Speaker 2: Yeah? I can't say I put a lot of thought

1542
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:04,360
Speaker 2: into it.

1543
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:08,280
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm really into the Briton Beltran story, but that's

1544
01:10:08,320 --> 01:10:10,360
Speaker 3: just me. All right, Let's keep it going, Luke, PVZ.

1545
01:10:10,600 --> 01:10:13,120
Speaker 3: Don't care, Luke. She put out her first public statements

1546
01:10:13,120 --> 01:10:16,640
Speaker 3: on Instagram since the loss. It included multiple pictures of

1547
01:10:16,680 --> 01:10:20,760
Speaker 3: her flipping off the camera, a long speech about how

1548
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:22,600
Speaker 3: she doesn't care. But Luke, what I want to focus on.

1549
01:10:22,680 --> 01:10:26,639
Speaker 3: Look at the hands, bro. This shit's brutal, brutal, a shit, Luke,

1550
01:10:27,120 --> 01:10:28,719
Speaker 3: get out while you can, please.

1551
01:10:29,080 --> 01:10:32,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, that can't be good for long term arthritis.

1552
01:10:33,320 --> 01:10:35,240
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean this, This sport will cut your

1553
01:10:35,240 --> 01:10:37,559
Speaker 3: face up pretty quick too. Get out, get out.

1554
01:10:37,720 --> 01:10:39,920
Speaker 2: You made money, Yeah, it's better. It's better for head

1555
01:10:39,960 --> 01:10:46,200
Speaker 2: trauma to not take punches with gloves in theory. But

1556
01:10:46,280 --> 01:10:48,719
Speaker 2: it's like, your hands are gonna be a fucking disaster

1557
01:10:48,840 --> 01:10:50,840
Speaker 2: when it's all over because they're not meant to punch either.

1558
01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:53,639
Speaker 3: And I don't clown what she put out there. It's

1559
01:10:53,640 --> 01:10:55,800
Speaker 3: a statement that's very like, I don't care. I'm gonna

1560
01:10:55,800 --> 01:10:58,080
Speaker 3: come back and look she's she's taught. Look she's she's

1561
01:10:58,080 --> 01:11:00,840
Speaker 3: show bounce back. There's no question shell bounce back. She

1562
01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:04,080
Speaker 3: can't fight, Luke. Okay, this just might not be the

1563
01:11:04,360 --> 01:11:07,559
Speaker 3: Just as you know, the elite UFC Strawway Division may

1564
01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:09,960
Speaker 3: not have been the perfect platform for her at the moment,

1565
01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:12,440
Speaker 3: this may not as well, but there are other platforms

1566
01:11:12,479 --> 01:11:15,160
Speaker 3: out there, Luke. Keeping it going. Boxing from the UK

1567
01:11:15,280 --> 01:11:18,920
Speaker 3: heavyweight Joe Joyce had an interesting scrap with Carlos tack

1568
01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:21,960
Speaker 3: On Luke tack them rock Joyce early, but in round

1569
01:11:22,040 --> 01:11:26,679
Speaker 3: six the slow, big punch and Joyce put the veteran away.

1570
01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:31,080
Speaker 3: Luke becoming the mandatory opponent for the winner of Alexander

1571
01:11:31,200 --> 01:11:34,960
Speaker 3: Usik Anthony Joshua. So you know Joe the Juggernaut Joyce, Luke,

1572
01:11:35,200 --> 01:11:38,759
Speaker 3: former Olympian. We've seen him. He beat uh Dubois Daniel

1573
01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:41,800
Speaker 3: Dubois in that All England Prospect fight. We know Joyce

1574
01:11:41,880 --> 01:11:44,439
Speaker 3: is a lot older, Luke. Do you think he's got

1575
01:11:44,479 --> 01:11:46,840
Speaker 3: any heavyweight title? Hope here? Just too slow. I mean

1576
01:11:46,840 --> 01:11:47,880
Speaker 3: he is slow as shit, Luke.

1577
01:11:48,280 --> 01:11:51,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's he can punch, but yeah no.

1578
01:11:52,720 --> 01:11:54,879
Speaker 3: All right, let's there you go. That's that's the analysis

1579
01:11:54,960 --> 01:11:56,840
Speaker 3: you tune in for. Let's keep it going. UFC Fight

1580
01:11:56,960 --> 01:12:00,320
Speaker 3: Night in Vegas, Luke Bruce Buffer doing Bruce Buffer, thinks

1581
01:12:00,320 --> 01:12:02,800
Speaker 3: to TJ. Dillashaw, this kind of got me fired up.

1582
01:12:02,800 --> 01:12:05,040
Speaker 3: And I'm not neally normally into the buffer screen, but

1583
01:12:05,080 --> 01:12:07,639
Speaker 3: look at this, Luke, look at that intensity. Yes, get

1584
01:12:07,680 --> 01:12:08,120
Speaker 3: some of that.

1585
01:12:08,160 --> 01:12:12,559
Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not into that. I mean obviously, but

1586
01:12:12,640 --> 01:12:13,800
Speaker 2: for me, I'm not into that.

1587
01:12:14,600 --> 01:12:16,840
Speaker 3: All right, Well, Luke, how about this sequence early in

1588
01:12:16,840 --> 01:12:18,840
Speaker 3: the fight. I believe it was round one, when Corey

1589
01:12:18,880 --> 01:12:22,679
Speaker 3: Sanhagen nearly turned a flying knee attempt into a submission. Luke,

1590
01:12:22,720 --> 01:12:23,439
Speaker 3: this was wild.

1591
01:12:23,880 --> 01:12:26,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, he almost had the Toby Imada.

1592
01:12:27,479 --> 01:12:29,639
Speaker 3: That was bro that's tight.

1593
01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:33,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's super tight. But he was able to squeeze

1594
01:12:33,800 --> 01:12:36,160
Speaker 2: just a little bit of his head through was You know,

1595
01:12:36,760 --> 01:12:39,000
Speaker 2: Corey is gonna be The good thing about being thin

1596
01:12:39,080 --> 01:12:42,040
Speaker 2: and wiry like that is you're gonna find positions pretty quickly.

1597
01:12:42,080 --> 01:12:44,840
Speaker 2: But the downside is that if you're not angled just right,

1598
01:12:44,880 --> 01:12:47,519
Speaker 2: because there's all different kinds of triangles, even from the

1599
01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:51,200
Speaker 2: inverted position, there's not one inverted triangle, there's many inverted triangles,

1600
01:12:51,560 --> 01:12:54,360
Speaker 2: it's gonna be hard to get the exact squeeze that

1601
01:12:54,400 --> 01:12:56,439
Speaker 2: you need. And so that was here. What he had here.

1602
01:12:56,439 --> 01:12:58,519
Speaker 2: It was a nice squeeze, but it wasn't a fight

1603
01:12:58,680 --> 01:13:00,800
Speaker 2: ending squeeze, and so therefore you really have much.

1604
01:13:01,479 --> 01:13:03,280
Speaker 3: It almost choked him out with his own taint. Luke,

1605
01:13:03,320 --> 01:13:05,559
Speaker 3: that got pretty grossly. Let's keep it going uh poona

1606
01:13:05,640 --> 01:13:08,320
Speaker 3: Soriano I mentioned, and that prelim main event went to

1607
01:13:08,520 --> 01:13:11,200
Speaker 3: war with Brendan Allen and came up empty. But this

1608
01:13:11,280 --> 01:13:13,519
Speaker 3: sequence was fantastic to close the round, Luke.

1609
01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:19,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, Brendan Allen's look.

1610
01:13:19,280 --> 01:13:21,479
Speaker 3: They're just swinging for grand slams every punch.

1611
01:13:21,560 --> 01:13:25,480
Speaker 2: This is great. Yeah. Oh Jesus, yeah.

1612
01:13:25,200 --> 01:13:30,200
Speaker 3: All right, Luke, speaking of ground and pound, Uh Sarge

1613
01:13:30,280 --> 01:13:32,760
Speaker 3: U Banks came in the best shape of her life,

1614
01:13:32,840 --> 01:13:35,479
Speaker 3: said she put all the the you know, the vices

1615
01:13:35,520 --> 01:13:37,519
Speaker 3: of old away and is now ready to become a

1616
01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:41,960
Speaker 3: complete fighter. She was in there against a a almost

1617
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:44,800
Speaker 3: like a crash dummy named Elise Reid. It wasn't close,

1618
01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:47,479
Speaker 3: and she destroyed Read's right eye. But look, are you

1619
01:13:47,520 --> 01:13:50,000
Speaker 3: impressed that, like Sarge may have leveled up a bit here?

1620
01:13:50,040 --> 01:13:51,439
Speaker 3: This may you know, we may she may have one

1621
01:13:51,479 --> 01:13:53,040
Speaker 3: chance left to show us how good she can be here.

1622
01:13:53,160 --> 01:13:55,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what, I'm frankly not even surprised by it.

1623
01:13:55,600 --> 01:13:58,920
Speaker 2: She had Remember she started out of the DC area

1624
01:13:59,120 --> 01:14:01,400
Speaker 2: over a team with IRV and Pure jiu Jitsu, and

1625
01:14:01,439 --> 01:14:03,439
Speaker 2: she was a force to be reckoned with, you know,

1626
01:14:03,520 --> 01:14:05,760
Speaker 2: even then. And then when she made her way to MMA,

1627
01:14:05,880 --> 01:14:07,720
Speaker 2: I don't think the transition was quite as smooth as

1628
01:14:07,720 --> 01:14:09,880
Speaker 2: I had anticipated it being. But you know how many

1629
01:14:09,880 --> 01:14:12,639
Speaker 2: times has that happen between grapplers, you know and MMA

1630
01:14:12,720 --> 01:14:15,120
Speaker 2: fighters were you know, they're trying to transition. Sometimes they

1631
01:14:15,120 --> 01:14:17,599
Speaker 2: get it fast, sometimes they don't. So maybe she wasn't

1632
01:14:17,600 --> 01:14:20,320
Speaker 2: the quickest study in that sense, given what she the

1633
01:14:20,360 --> 01:14:23,120
Speaker 2: prowess that she had showed in peuer jiu jitsu. But

1634
01:14:23,160 --> 01:14:25,400
Speaker 2: I think now you're beginning to see all the pieces

1635
01:14:25,400 --> 01:14:27,280
Speaker 2: come together. Yeah, you're right, dude. She looked awesome. She

1636
01:14:27,320 --> 01:14:29,640
Speaker 2: has phenomenal ground control when she wants it. She's got

1637
01:14:29,720 --> 01:14:32,080
Speaker 2: hammers too, So I'm curious to see how far she

1638
01:14:32,120 --> 01:14:32,919
Speaker 2: can take it.

1639
01:14:32,920 --> 01:14:34,360
Speaker 3: It's yeah, I want to see how far because I

1640
01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:36,519
Speaker 3: love it when people, whether it's fighting or whether it's

1641
01:14:36,560 --> 01:14:38,600
Speaker 3: anyone in any job. Look, I'm sure you've been this

1642
01:14:39,080 --> 01:14:42,040
Speaker 3: spot too, where it's like you get a certain level

1643
01:14:42,040 --> 01:14:44,800
Speaker 3: of success and then you have that realization that, like

1644
01:14:45,320 --> 01:14:48,960
Speaker 3: I got to level up my game full time across

1645
01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:50,720
Speaker 3: the board to compete at this level, you know what

1646
01:14:50,760 --> 01:14:52,680
Speaker 3: I mean, Like I got to brring it. And I

1647
01:14:52,680 --> 01:14:55,160
Speaker 3: think that's what she realized after a few losses there

1648
01:14:55,160 --> 01:14:57,680
Speaker 3: and a few weight cut issues where it's like I

1649
01:14:57,720 --> 01:15:00,000
Speaker 3: gotta be better every second of every day to try

1650
01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:02,400
Speaker 3: to maximize this. And Luke, when you figure that out,

1651
01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:05,280
Speaker 3: you're ready. You're ready, Luke, Okay.

1652
01:15:05,520 --> 01:15:07,519
Speaker 2: You're ready to go training with Yoda at the Daego

1653
01:15:07,560 --> 01:15:08,120
Speaker 2: Boss System.

1654
01:15:08,200 --> 01:15:10,400
Speaker 3: Let's do it, damn right, all right, let's keep it

1655
01:15:10,479 --> 01:15:14,760
Speaker 3: rolling here. Brandon Marino stop by camp Canelo Alvarez in

1656
01:15:14,840 --> 01:15:18,639
Speaker 3: San Diego and took some picks Champ and Champ two

1657
01:15:18,840 --> 01:15:21,519
Speaker 3: Stars of Mexico there, Luke. That's Oscar Valdez on the

1658
01:15:21,560 --> 01:15:25,360
Speaker 3: left of that picture. Also Andy Ruiz Junior along with Canelo.

1659
01:15:26,160 --> 01:15:28,479
Speaker 3: Fun group pair of Luke. Brandon Marino fits right in

1660
01:15:28,479 --> 01:15:30,280
Speaker 3: in boxing. People love him in the boxing side.

1661
01:15:30,400 --> 01:15:32,400
Speaker 2: Dude, good for him, man, And you know what, any

1662
01:15:32,479 --> 01:15:34,400
Speaker 2: kind of training he gets with those guys, it's only

1663
01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:35,320
Speaker 2: going to be good for him.

1664
01:15:35,360 --> 01:15:39,080
Speaker 3: Sotely, he's like really like great to see the poster.

1665
01:15:39,439 --> 01:15:43,200
Speaker 3: He's like the ideal poster boy, first UFC Mexican Champion. Like,

1666
01:15:43,280 --> 01:15:46,160
Speaker 3: people love the shit off. I mean, Chavis Senior loves

1667
01:15:46,160 --> 01:15:46,519
Speaker 3: this guy.

1668
01:15:46,600 --> 01:15:46,800
Speaker 2: Luke.

1669
01:15:46,840 --> 01:15:47,519
Speaker 3: That's badass.

1670
01:15:47,720 --> 01:15:50,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, good for him, man, really really hard earned and

1671
01:15:50,320 --> 01:15:52,920
Speaker 2: you know the stamp of Canelo's approval probably is not

1672
01:15:52,960 --> 01:15:55,559
Speaker 2: easy to get and he's got it. So I'm happy

1673
01:15:55,560 --> 01:15:57,519
Speaker 2: for everybody involved, including old Andy Reid.

1674
01:15:57,600 --> 01:15:57,720
Speaker 4: Man.

1675
01:15:57,760 --> 01:15:59,240
Speaker 2: I want to see more from old Andy. I saw

1676
01:15:59,320 --> 01:16:01,200
Speaker 2: him lifting weights, starting to get swollen.

1677
01:16:02,000 --> 01:16:05,559
Speaker 3: Did you just call him Andy Reid? The same size?

1678
01:16:06,560 --> 01:16:09,639
Speaker 3: At their fastest, they were pretty close, Luke. But yeah,

1679
01:16:09,680 --> 01:16:11,640
Speaker 3: all right, yeah?

1680
01:16:11,840 --> 01:16:12,120
Speaker 4: Is he?

1681
01:16:12,200 --> 01:16:14,639
Speaker 2: Is he the Is he the Mexican Andy Reid?

1682
01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:18,280
Speaker 3: Andy, He's the Mexican Andy Reid? Yeah? Alright, let's keep

1683
01:16:18,280 --> 01:16:20,760
Speaker 3: a rolling skater die time, Luke. This is where white

1684
01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:27,160
Speaker 3: people get injured. Check out this Olympic skateboarding botch, Lukeikes, Wow.

1685
01:16:27,160 --> 01:16:30,960
Speaker 2: Bro I went halfway around the world to get a vasectomy.

1686
01:16:31,080 --> 01:16:35,720
Speaker 3: Bo I got three needles. Damn. I mean this is

1687
01:16:35,720 --> 01:16:40,080
Speaker 3: in the Olympics, Looke. This is great.

1688
01:16:38,040 --> 01:16:42,200
Speaker 2: This is what Joe Rogan was talking about when he

1689
01:16:42,240 --> 01:16:45,360
Speaker 2: mentioned the bme pain Olympics. That's what you got here.

1690
01:16:47,960 --> 01:16:51,840
Speaker 3: Wow, paint that that is that's a sore grundle after that. Look,

1691
01:16:51,840 --> 01:16:54,120
Speaker 3: I'll tell you that. All right, Let's take the skateboarding

1692
01:16:54,200 --> 01:16:59,360
Speaker 3: out into the road, Luke, road racing here. Oh god,

1693
01:16:59,400 --> 01:17:03,479
Speaker 3: watch out, watch out? What are we doing here? Luke?

1694
01:17:03,720 --> 01:17:06,080
Speaker 3: You know the thing is, Luke, I know my limits.

1695
01:17:06,160 --> 01:17:06,519
Speaker 2: Dude.

1696
01:17:06,600 --> 01:17:09,800
Speaker 3: I don't ski. I don't roller skate. You know, after

1697
01:17:09,880 --> 01:17:12,599
Speaker 3: like fourth grade parties at roller Magic and Waterbury. Cannot

1698
01:17:12,680 --> 01:17:15,080
Speaker 3: keep people that know they know, Luke, I don't do that. Ship.

1699
01:17:15,479 --> 01:17:17,559
Speaker 3: I'll break an ankle, Luke, I'll twist. This is not

1700
01:17:17,640 --> 01:17:20,519
Speaker 3: worth it. I'm not getting into a road race on skates. Okay, No,

1701
01:17:21,439 --> 01:17:21,840
Speaker 3: that was like.

1702
01:17:21,760 --> 01:17:25,240
Speaker 2: A Tony ferguson Granby roll the guy the uh the

1703
01:17:25,240 --> 01:17:26,680
Speaker 2: homie who went flying here?

1704
01:17:26,720 --> 01:17:30,840
Speaker 3: What ah, all right, let's take uh, let's take the

1705
01:17:30,920 --> 01:17:33,360
Speaker 3: roller skates to the dinner delivery, Luke. This is an

1706
01:17:33,400 --> 01:17:36,240
Speaker 3: outdated concept for good reasons. Luke, you know what I mean?

1707
01:17:40,680 --> 01:17:42,360
Speaker 3: Would you like that on the rocks or like to

1708
01:17:42,400 --> 01:17:42,680
Speaker 3: wear it?

1709
01:17:42,720 --> 01:17:42,840
Speaker 4: All?

1710
01:17:42,920 --> 01:17:44,240
Speaker 3: Right? And I just have it in the can.

1711
01:17:44,320 --> 01:17:46,400
Speaker 2: That's great. Well, you know what, this is still better

1712
01:17:46,439 --> 01:17:49,719
Speaker 2: than my daughter projectile vomiting in the car on the weekend,

1713
01:17:49,920 --> 01:17:50,519
Speaker 2: So you know.

1714
01:17:51,320 --> 01:17:53,680
Speaker 3: Do you get on the window and stuff? Just gross? Right? Uh?

1715
01:17:53,880 --> 01:17:56,360
Speaker 2: Dude. We had to we had to. Luckily we had

1716
01:17:56,360 --> 01:17:58,200
Speaker 2: a change of clothes for her. So I had to

1717
01:17:58,200 --> 01:18:00,040
Speaker 2: pull over on the middle of the highway in the

1718
01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:02,760
Speaker 2: middle of the city and just to like I had

1719
01:18:02,960 --> 01:18:04,679
Speaker 2: my wife caught the puke and then had to chuck

1720
01:18:04,680 --> 01:18:09,160
Speaker 2: it out the door and then it was sprayed. It

1721
01:18:09,200 --> 01:18:11,240
Speaker 2: was it was like, you know, she was trying to

1722
01:18:11,400 --> 01:18:13,679
Speaker 2: swat a fly with her vomit or something was crazy.

1723
01:18:14,160 --> 01:18:16,760
Speaker 3: Uh, Luke, let's bring the skateboard to the cities. This

1724
01:18:16,800 --> 01:18:19,320
Speaker 3: is why people, this is why skateboarding gets a bad name. Luke,

1725
01:18:19,320 --> 01:18:21,040
Speaker 3: you can you gotta be careful out here. I mean,

1726
01:18:21,080 --> 01:18:23,960
Speaker 3: come on, innocent bystanders coming by the segue, you know.

1727
01:18:23,920 --> 01:18:27,559
Speaker 2: What I mean. That's DC, that's DC. I know exactly

1728
01:18:27,560 --> 01:18:31,800
Speaker 2: where this is. This is the skatepark by uh uh

1729
01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:36,280
Speaker 2: the Navy Archive in Washington. Luke, this is Washington. See

1730
01:18:36,280 --> 01:18:37,559
Speaker 2: this is this is right in front of you. This

1731
01:18:37,640 --> 01:18:38,679
Speaker 2: is Pennsylvania Avenue.

1732
01:18:39,640 --> 01:18:42,000
Speaker 3: And is that Do people normally rent segues in this area?

1733
01:18:42,240 --> 01:18:44,519
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, totally. The segwes that you're not far from

1734
01:18:44,600 --> 01:18:46,760
Speaker 2: Union Station. So like right where you're looking at here,

1735
01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:48,640
Speaker 2: to your left would be the White House, to the

1736
01:18:48,720 --> 01:18:50,840
Speaker 2: right would be like that way where the Trump Hotel is.

1737
01:18:51,360 --> 01:18:55,439
Speaker 2: And uh and uh there's all kinds of people who

1738
01:18:55,520 --> 01:18:58,560
Speaker 2: go through this area touring on segways. Bob, see you

1739
01:18:58,560 --> 01:19:00,880
Speaker 2: a bit sikes All.

1740
01:19:00,840 --> 01:19:03,519
Speaker 3: Right, hey, Luke, I try to keep up with the trends.

1741
01:19:03,520 --> 01:19:05,439
Speaker 3: Ghost riding the whip was cool for a while. What

1742
01:19:05,439 --> 01:19:11,880
Speaker 3: do you call this, Luke. Oh yeah, it's like guy

1743
01:19:11,920 --> 01:19:15,920
Speaker 3: thinks he's in his own music. Oh god, god, good god.

1744
01:19:16,960 --> 01:19:22,960
Speaker 2: Oh oh wow, it's like uh pat Tillman, oh man,

1745
01:19:23,479 --> 01:19:27,760
Speaker 2: Oh Jesus, you see, I mean, what are we doing here? Yeah, yeah,

1746
01:19:27,800 --> 01:19:29,920
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. I would say, I would

1747
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:33,840
Speaker 2: say that this guy's car should be repossessed, but it

1748
01:19:33,880 --> 01:19:36,320
Speaker 2: actually looks like the cars getting some useful work. So

1749
01:19:36,439 --> 01:19:37,080
Speaker 2: let him keep here.

1750
01:19:40,280 --> 01:19:42,240
Speaker 3: I know we're not allowed to show Death's not heavy

1751
01:19:42,240 --> 01:19:44,479
Speaker 3: you seeing the ships hopeful? That guy was okay after

1752
01:19:44,880 --> 01:19:47,240
Speaker 3: that faces the Death Circus Act. We showed that one time.

1753
01:19:47,280 --> 01:19:49,080
Speaker 3: All right, let's keep it going here, Luke, get your

1754
01:19:49,120 --> 01:19:52,120
Speaker 3: flips on uh on rude sixty six here?

1755
01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:55,880
Speaker 2: Hey, hey, is he white? I just oh right, right,

1756
01:19:55,960 --> 01:19:56,439
Speaker 2: right right.

1757
01:19:56,840 --> 01:20:00,080
Speaker 3: That's a backflip to hell, Luke, speaking of backflips to

1758
01:20:00,320 --> 01:20:07,760
Speaker 3: dark places, let's keep the tape rolling. That's unfortunate. Oh god,

1759
01:20:07,920 --> 01:20:12,960
Speaker 3: that's that's gotta hurt really bad. Look, that's not good.

1760
01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:15,360
Speaker 3: All right, all right, let's just bring the backflip to

1761
01:20:15,400 --> 01:20:15,879
Speaker 3: the subway.

1762
01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:19,519
Speaker 2: These these are the people who tweet me into being like, dude,

1763
01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:27,280
Speaker 2: COVID is a hoax. Yeah, this guy tweeted me. This

1764
01:20:27,320 --> 01:20:29,320
Speaker 2: guy tweeted me to say vaccines don't work.

1765
01:20:29,920 --> 01:20:32,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's full frontal right there. Wow, all right, let's

1766
01:20:32,760 --> 01:20:34,800
Speaker 3: bring it over to the bleacher. Somebody's gotta nail one

1767
01:20:34,800 --> 01:20:36,720
Speaker 3: of these backflips, Luke, and they're gonna end up with

1768
01:20:36,720 --> 01:20:39,760
Speaker 3: a scorpion king tryouts again. This is not good.

1769
01:20:39,880 --> 01:20:43,240
Speaker 2: Oh god, this guy test this guy. This guy tweeted

1770
01:20:43,280 --> 01:20:45,240
Speaker 2: me to say that the CDC numbers were fake.

1771
01:20:46,080 --> 01:20:48,400
Speaker 3: Wow, all right, enough of that, Luke. Let's bring it

1772
01:20:48,400 --> 01:20:51,120
Speaker 3: out there. Let's show it proper. Diesel man out here, Luke.

1773
01:20:51,120 --> 01:20:53,760
Speaker 3: I've seen shotgun and beers. I've never seen biting it

1774
01:20:53,760 --> 01:20:56,240
Speaker 3: open with your own teeth, Lukey into this type of destruction.

1775
01:20:56,600 --> 01:20:59,519
Speaker 2: Well, this is only a real man, real man who's dentists,

1776
01:20:59,520 --> 01:21:02,439
Speaker 2: probably very rich. But if he goes to the dentist

1777
01:21:02,439 --> 01:21:06,160
Speaker 2: at all, but uh, that's a real man for sure.

1778
01:21:06,400 --> 01:21:08,640
Speaker 3: Yeah. Let's let's see if Ronnie Deutsch can do that.

1779
01:21:08,760 --> 01:21:10,160
Speaker 3: He can show up on this show again. If you

1780
01:21:10,200 --> 01:21:12,320
Speaker 3: can pull that off. All right. Speaking of drunk people, Luke,

1781
01:21:12,400 --> 01:21:15,519
Speaker 3: sometimes when you had enough, you had enough inside the bar,

1782
01:21:15,600 --> 01:21:17,519
Speaker 3: and there's only one way to get you out of there, Luke,

1783
01:21:18,880 --> 01:21:23,080
Speaker 3: I mean, what are we doing here? Only it gets crazier, Luke, Okay,

1784
01:21:24,680 --> 01:21:26,360
Speaker 3: let me get let me get a little of that

1785
01:21:26,479 --> 01:21:28,560
Speaker 3: on the way out. What I need I need?

1786
01:21:28,960 --> 01:21:30,879
Speaker 2: I need to go to this place with this giant

1787
01:21:30,880 --> 01:21:32,519
Speaker 2: man being carted out on a dolly.

1788
01:21:34,360 --> 01:21:36,880
Speaker 3: Well, some chicks just grinding him on the way out.

1789
01:21:37,120 --> 01:21:37,519
Speaker 3: That's good.

1790
01:21:37,520 --> 01:21:40,840
Speaker 2: And they on the way. I mean, listen, given what

1791
01:21:40,880 --> 01:21:43,080
Speaker 2: I've seen security do to throw people out the door,

1792
01:21:43,640 --> 01:21:46,759
Speaker 2: they're treating this guy with kid gloves? Are they literally

1793
01:21:46,840 --> 01:21:48,120
Speaker 2: rolling him out the door?

1794
01:21:49,080 --> 01:21:52,360
Speaker 5: He went out doing what he loved at least, Luke,

1795
01:21:52,400 --> 01:21:55,760
Speaker 5: all right, yeah, all right, let's keep it going here, Luke,

1796
01:21:56,160 --> 01:21:59,160
Speaker 5: you ever seen drunk drunk a drunk couple in Vegas?

1797
01:21:59,200 --> 01:22:00,919
Speaker 3: Luke, get into a little litle bit of a spat.

1798
01:22:01,320 --> 01:22:03,120
Speaker 3: This is great ship. Look, this is out in the

1799
01:22:03,120 --> 01:22:08,200
Speaker 3: front of the hotel. This sorry, sir, can you stand

1800
01:22:08,280 --> 01:22:08,919
Speaker 3: up already?

1801
01:22:08,960 --> 01:22:09,120
Speaker 2: Here?

1802
01:22:10,360 --> 01:22:12,639
Speaker 3: Look? Can his girlfriend help model little give a hand?

1803
01:22:12,680 --> 01:22:16,280
Speaker 3: Maybe rather than just ridicule him.

1804
01:22:16,439 --> 01:22:19,000
Speaker 2: I see fights like this in Vegas all the time.

1805
01:22:20,600 --> 01:22:22,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're not doing well here on being able to

1806
01:22:22,920 --> 01:22:26,640
Speaker 3: stand Luke. Wow, I wonder how long they just stayed.

1807
01:22:26,400 --> 01:22:37,479
Speaker 2: There hopefully forever. Just live there from now on your

1808
01:22:37,479 --> 01:22:42,879
Speaker 2: families again, Dude, are they they on bud light or heroin?

1809
01:22:42,960 --> 01:22:48,479
Speaker 2: What is wrong? You know I'm talking about you know,

1810
01:22:48,600 --> 01:22:51,000
Speaker 2: you know what you can tell it's bud Light and

1811
01:22:51,040 --> 01:22:53,599
Speaker 2: it's not heroin. You know how I know because if

1812
01:22:53,600 --> 01:22:56,840
Speaker 2: they were on heroin, they wouldn't actually fall over. They

1813
01:22:56,880 --> 01:22:59,360
Speaker 2: would just kind of get that gangster lean you know.

1814
01:22:59,439 --> 01:23:03,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, they would, yeah, they would. All right, Hey, Luke,

1815
01:23:03,560 --> 01:23:05,360
Speaker 3: let's go to the laundromat. You know, it's a new

1816
01:23:05,400 --> 01:23:08,519
Speaker 3: trend that people are bringing bars into laundromats. There's one

1817
01:23:08,520 --> 01:23:11,479
Speaker 3: in New Britain, Connecticut. Uh, and this is usually what

1818
01:23:11,560 --> 01:23:13,920
Speaker 3: happens when they do, Luke, this is this is just

1819
01:23:14,000 --> 01:23:16,640
Speaker 3: not good. Okay, are you shitting me?

1820
01:23:16,760 --> 01:23:18,559
Speaker 2: You're just gonna fight this big ass dude.

1821
01:23:19,040 --> 01:23:21,760
Speaker 3: Oh no, he's putting. He's giving him the spin cycle. Look,

1822
01:23:21,800 --> 01:23:23,920
Speaker 3: this is uh, this is something it's gotta be.

1823
01:23:23,960 --> 01:23:25,839
Speaker 2: That guy is definitely a bouncer.

1824
01:23:27,040 --> 01:23:30,439
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh yeah. Nobody disrespects him like that. No, seriously,

1825
01:23:30,439 --> 01:23:33,720
Speaker 3: they're trying to combine laundromats with bars. That's a bad combo, Luca.

1826
01:23:33,800 --> 01:23:34,400
Speaker 3: We don't need that.

1827
01:23:34,479 --> 01:23:37,559
Speaker 2: Nobody puts baby in the washing machine, except this motherfucking

1828
01:23:37,640 --> 01:23:38,120
Speaker 2: huge guy.

1829
01:23:38,360 --> 01:23:40,200
Speaker 3: Look, you're a man of the world. You know you've

1830
01:23:40,200 --> 01:23:43,040
Speaker 3: eaten street food anywhere. Let's go to Turkey, Luke, would

1831
01:23:43,040 --> 01:23:44,479
Speaker 3: you try this? What do they call this?

1832
01:23:46,960 --> 01:23:49,000
Speaker 2: I can't quite see. Can you blow it up? Oh?

1833
01:23:49,080 --> 01:23:50,880
Speaker 2: Is that the is that? Like? Is that like deer

1834
01:23:50,960 --> 01:23:52,240
Speaker 2: penis or some shit like that?

1835
01:23:53,560 --> 01:23:56,360
Speaker 3: I think this is called straight dong, Luke, what are

1836
01:23:56,400 --> 01:23:57,040
Speaker 3: we doing here?

1837
01:23:57,120 --> 01:23:59,640
Speaker 2: Bro? So, first of all, I've eaten street food in

1838
01:23:59,720 --> 01:24:03,599
Speaker 2: Turkey and it's quite good. But yeah, no, I'm gonna

1839
01:24:03,640 --> 01:24:04,800
Speaker 2: skip this one.

1840
01:24:04,840 --> 01:24:07,280
Speaker 3: That I like. You know, we can make jokes, but

1841
01:24:07,320 --> 01:24:09,320
Speaker 3: that actually I think that's actually a penis. Look, I

1842
01:24:09,320 --> 01:24:11,400
Speaker 3: think that's what that is, all right. I think that's

1843
01:24:11,400 --> 01:24:12,120
Speaker 3: street penis.

1844
01:24:12,160 --> 01:24:16,639
Speaker 2: Look I got I got sick, super sick one time

1845
01:24:16,680 --> 01:24:20,000
Speaker 2: in the streets of Cairo drinking OJ from a street vendor.

1846
01:24:20,960 --> 01:24:22,880
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, dude, you try. You order OJ and a

1847
01:24:22,960 --> 01:24:25,479
Speaker 3: side of street dick. You can't'll get all kinds of

1848
01:24:25,560 --> 01:24:30,400
Speaker 3: best stuff. Look, okay, I want.

1849
01:24:30,240 --> 01:24:32,320
Speaker 2: To make a joke about street dick and you right now,

1850
01:24:32,320 --> 01:24:33,639
Speaker 2: but I don't want to get fired, So I'm gonna

1851
01:24:33,680 --> 01:24:34,280
Speaker 2: let that one roll.

1852
01:24:34,920 --> 01:24:37,439
Speaker 3: Yeah with pad one Pat Tillman was enough. All right,

1853
01:24:37,680 --> 01:24:39,519
Speaker 3: let's go over to uh let's go back into the

1854
01:24:39,560 --> 01:24:44,320
Speaker 3: fight game. I mean this finish was incredible with the

1855
01:24:44,360 --> 01:24:46,400
Speaker 3: spinning back kick. But where's the referee, Luke?

1856
01:24:48,080 --> 01:24:49,560
Speaker 2: I think he was tweeting on the other side of

1857
01:24:49,560 --> 01:24:49,960
Speaker 2: the cage.

1858
01:24:50,200 --> 01:24:54,439
Speaker 3: Bah. That's some spinny shit. That works, bro, But maybe

1859
01:24:54,439 --> 01:24:56,639
Speaker 3: this fighter should like realize the guy's done.

1860
01:24:57,320 --> 01:25:03,360
Speaker 2: Two. Let's see how many one, two, three, got in

1861
01:25:03,439 --> 01:25:05,559
Speaker 2: three extra ones? Yeah, he fucked up on that. One

1862
01:25:05,920 --> 01:25:08,320
Speaker 2: two I think is okay, but three is when the

1863
01:25:08,360 --> 01:25:09,480
Speaker 2: problem begins.

1864
01:25:09,880 --> 01:25:12,320
Speaker 3: Well, it depends. I mean you get one the level

1865
01:25:12,320 --> 01:25:15,360
Speaker 3: of Henderson, UFC one hundred on bizzping, Luke, that's enough

1866
01:25:15,400 --> 01:25:19,679
Speaker 3: to hold you back. Let's keep it going the one championship, Luke.

1867
01:25:20,040 --> 01:25:23,120
Speaker 3: Check out this leaping groin strike. What do you call this?

1868
01:25:26,520 --> 01:25:32,120
Speaker 2: Uh? A rule set that I want brought to the

1869
01:25:32,200 --> 01:25:32,920
Speaker 2: United States.

1870
01:25:34,240 --> 01:25:36,719
Speaker 3: Michelle Pedato watching, He's like, oh, we can do street

1871
01:25:36,760 --> 01:25:37,840
Speaker 3: dicks now, this is great.

1872
01:25:38,000 --> 01:25:41,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, those guys from Turkey eight this dude's street

1873
01:25:41,439 --> 01:25:41,920
Speaker 2: dick later.

1874
01:25:42,760 --> 01:25:46,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, Luke. You know this one specifically for John

1875
01:25:46,479 --> 01:25:49,160
Speaker 3: Nash to the UFC would never, would absolutely never give

1876
01:25:49,200 --> 01:25:52,720
Speaker 3: out off the book bonuses, especially not in bags full

1877
01:25:52,720 --> 01:25:56,920
Speaker 3: of cash, like Davison FIGUREDO got here in twenty twenty, Luke,

1878
01:25:57,320 --> 01:25:59,679
Speaker 3: and that they're showing on video years later.

1879
01:26:00,200 --> 01:26:03,639
Speaker 2: Yes, let's broadcast the financial crimes were allegedly committing. BC.

1880
01:26:03,800 --> 01:26:05,600
Speaker 2: That's a very good conspiracy theory.

1881
01:26:05,920 --> 01:26:08,960
Speaker 3: You know. Chill Sun on his show last week, talked

1882
01:26:09,000 --> 01:26:15,240
Speaker 3: about Dana Payne for his honeymoon. I bet hed that

1883
01:26:15,280 --> 01:26:19,160
Speaker 3: one million. Yeah, I mean, look, i mean I'm gonna

1884
01:26:19,160 --> 01:26:20,960
Speaker 3: try it out anybody. I'm just trying to say, open

1885
01:26:21,000 --> 01:26:23,400
Speaker 3: your worldview, you know what I mean, all right.

1886
01:26:24,080 --> 01:26:27,200
Speaker 2: To to idiotic conspiracy theories. No, I'm good.

1887
01:26:27,600 --> 01:26:30,760
Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, okay, we'll see. We'll see. But we'll see, Nash,

1888
01:26:30,760 --> 01:26:32,599
Speaker 3: we'll see one day. All right, we'll keep it going. Hey,

1889
01:26:32,640 --> 01:26:36,599
Speaker 3: we close with this, Luke, speaking of faces of death,

1890
01:26:36,680 --> 01:26:37,959
Speaker 3: I hope this guy was able.

1891
01:26:37,760 --> 01:26:41,679
Speaker 2: To walk off Jesus fucking oh my god.

1892
01:26:41,800 --> 01:26:45,320
Speaker 3: That is yeah, Luke. When I was little, my dad

1893
01:26:45,360 --> 01:26:47,120
Speaker 3: would never let me go on the rides at these

1894
01:26:47,120 --> 01:26:49,840
Speaker 3: regional affairs. Luke, Now I know why. Okay, this is

1895
01:26:49,920 --> 01:26:52,360
Speaker 3: not Yeah, this was a great uh.

1896
01:26:52,439 --> 01:26:54,479
Speaker 2: You know if you wonder like this is one of

1897
01:26:54,520 --> 01:26:56,599
Speaker 2: those moments where you watch this BC and you're like Wow.

1898
01:26:56,800 --> 01:27:01,120
Speaker 2: How flexible is the human spine? Uh uh oh right right,

1899
01:27:01,200 --> 01:27:05,120
Speaker 2: that flexible as he ricochets off the bottom rung of

1900
01:27:05,160 --> 01:27:08,719
Speaker 2: this flailing to the ground like wet garbage being tossed

1901
01:27:08,720 --> 01:27:09,400
Speaker 2: out of a car.

1902
01:27:10,160 --> 01:27:12,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, small hands, smells like cabbage. We got it.

1903
01:27:13,000 --> 01:27:17,280
Speaker 2: Look that is wow. Wow yeah uh bc before we

1904
01:27:17,720 --> 01:27:19,280
Speaker 2: call it on a show. Oh you know what, Yeah,

1905
01:27:19,360 --> 01:27:21,080
Speaker 2: let's do it right now before we call it a show. Today,

1906
01:27:21,120 --> 01:27:23,719
Speaker 2: I want to remind you that no one's perfect. Even

1907
01:27:23,760 --> 01:27:26,320
Speaker 2: the best baseball players strike out with the basis loaded.

1908
01:27:26,600 --> 01:27:29,040
Speaker 2: The best golfer sometimes three put with a tournament on

1909
01:27:29,080 --> 01:27:31,120
Speaker 2: the line, so we see. If you feel like you

1910
01:27:31,160 --> 01:27:33,559
Speaker 2: come up short in the bedroom sometimes with your ed, are.

1911
01:27:33,439 --> 01:27:35,920
Speaker 3: You showing me a predatory loan? Right now? What's happening?

1912
01:27:36,320 --> 01:27:39,639
Speaker 2: It's perfectly okay, But if it's bothering you, there are options.

1913
01:27:39,640 --> 01:27:43,120
Speaker 2: You can go to get Roman dot com slash Combat

1914
01:27:43,280 --> 01:27:46,760
Speaker 2: that's combat with a K of course right now, and

1915
01:27:46,840 --> 01:27:49,840
Speaker 2: you get fifteen bucks off your first month with Roman.

1916
01:27:49,880 --> 01:27:52,200
Speaker 2: You can get a free online evaluation and ongoing care

1917
01:27:52,240 --> 01:27:55,439
Speaker 2: free ED all from the comfort and privacy of your home.

1918
01:27:55,680 --> 01:27:58,200
Speaker 2: A US licensed healthcare professional will work with you to

1919
01:27:58,200 --> 01:28:01,040
Speaker 2: find the best treatment plan medication is appropriate. It ships

1920
01:28:01,040 --> 01:28:04,240
Speaker 2: to you free two day shipping. Whole process straightforward, discreet,

1921
01:28:04,360 --> 01:28:06,719
Speaker 2: no one has to know about it. Getting started as simple.

1922
01:28:06,760 --> 01:28:10,040
Speaker 2: You go to get Roman dot com slash Combat and

1923
01:28:10,080 --> 01:28:12,439
Speaker 2: complete an online visit take care of your ed without

1924
01:28:12,479 --> 01:28:15,280
Speaker 2: leaving home. Complete an online visit today to connect with

1925
01:28:15,320 --> 01:28:17,920
Speaker 2: a doctor and take care of it. So there you go,

1926
01:28:18,080 --> 01:28:21,599
Speaker 2: get Roman dot com Slash Combat fifteen minutes.

1927
01:28:21,800 --> 01:28:24,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, wake up, kids, we got the Dreamer's disease right

1928
01:28:25,280 --> 01:28:27,679
Speaker 3: age forty three. They got you down on your knees.

1929
01:28:28,600 --> 01:28:30,519
Speaker 3: You're gonna need Roman, so just get it. We don't

1930
01:28:30,560 --> 01:28:32,160
Speaker 3: have to talk about it. You know, you don't need to.

1931
01:28:32,240 --> 01:28:33,519
Speaker 3: You don't need to tell me that you got it.

1932
01:28:33,720 --> 01:28:36,759
Speaker 3: Just get it right by. You want to walk around

1933
01:28:36,760 --> 01:28:38,639
Speaker 3: with that BDE like you used to.

1934
01:28:39,360 --> 01:28:42,360
Speaker 2: Just get Roman, Just get that Roman BC. It's time

1935
01:28:42,400 --> 01:28:45,240
Speaker 2: for odds and ends. Good sir, please go first for

1936
01:28:45,320 --> 01:28:46,960
Speaker 2: our odds and or ends.

1937
01:28:47,200 --> 01:28:49,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wanted to pat myself on the back for

1938
01:28:49,120 --> 01:28:51,519
Speaker 3: some great interviews lately that you can go to Morning

1939
01:28:51,720 --> 01:28:54,240
Speaker 3: YouTube dot com slash Morning Combat. Of course, you know

1940
01:28:54,280 --> 01:28:55,960
Speaker 3: you get our live show three days a week. But

1941
01:28:55,960 --> 01:28:58,720
Speaker 3: how about Luke interviewing Coury San Haagen later today, how

1942
01:28:58,720 --> 01:29:01,840
Speaker 3: about me talking to Freddie Road and others. One of those,

1943
01:29:01,920 --> 01:29:07,160
Speaker 3: Luke was Damien the Donk, who, of course Stockton's finest,

1944
01:29:07,760 --> 01:29:11,000
Speaker 3: put a tattoo of our brand on his body. Luke.

1945
01:29:11,040 --> 01:29:12,880
Speaker 3: We have a leftover clip from his interview which is

1946
01:29:12,920 --> 01:29:16,000
Speaker 3: available on our YouTube channel right now, and is I

1947
01:29:16,000 --> 01:29:19,840
Speaker 3: don't even know how Luke it is outperforming basically every

1948
01:29:19,840 --> 01:29:22,040
Speaker 3: boxing interview I've ever done, so shout out to Damien

1949
01:29:22,080 --> 01:29:25,240
Speaker 3: for that. But Damien the Donk has not only put

1950
01:29:25,240 --> 01:29:28,639
Speaker 3: our brand on his flesh, he has put out an

1951
01:29:28,680 --> 01:29:33,600
Speaker 3: open challenge to the other sluggers in this ballpark that

1952
01:29:33,800 --> 01:29:37,360
Speaker 3: is MK fandom. Let's go to the videotape. Why in

1953
01:29:37,439 --> 01:29:41,960
Speaker 3: the damn hell did you put MK's logos on your flesh?

1954
01:29:42,080 --> 01:29:44,719
Speaker 4: Well, I need to say something first. BC Dick goes

1955
01:29:44,720 --> 01:29:47,320
Speaker 4: to web screen. You're taking anything at work for motherfuckers.

1956
01:29:47,360 --> 01:29:49,880
Speaker 4: You know who the number one donk is? You know

1957
01:29:49,920 --> 01:29:51,960
Speaker 4: who the Donk of the Year is. Every year? Got

1958
01:29:52,000 --> 01:29:55,840
Speaker 4: some dorks making videos on the internet. I'm the true donk.

1959
01:29:56,960 --> 01:30:01,519
Speaker 3: Wow, wow, Wow, put some respect Damien's name. They're coming

1960
01:30:01,560 --> 01:30:04,439
Speaker 3: after you. Webscream, All right, Webscream, You're gonna have to

1961
01:30:04,520 --> 01:30:06,840
Speaker 3: like name one of your children at MK. I think

1962
01:30:06,880 --> 01:30:12,559
Speaker 3: to match this, But Luke, I bring this into odds

1963
01:30:12,640 --> 01:30:17,160
Speaker 3: and ends because Webscream, your twenty twenty MK Donk of

1964
01:30:17,200 --> 01:30:21,120
Speaker 3: the Year has responded to Damien's challenge on Twitter. If

1965
01:30:21,160 --> 01:30:26,200
Speaker 3: we can throw that up there right now and zoom in,

1966
01:30:28,320 --> 01:30:30,920
Speaker 3: Webscream says, man, it was a treat watching your interview

1967
01:30:30,960 --> 01:30:33,439
Speaker 3: this morning. I am old, washed and ready to be

1968
01:30:33,600 --> 01:30:36,800
Speaker 3: shelved in the Pioneers wing of the MK Hall of Fame.

1969
01:30:36,840 --> 01:30:40,120
Speaker 3: I couldn't possibly match your amazing energy. Thank you for

1970
01:30:40,160 --> 01:30:42,720
Speaker 3: the shout out and the con words, Luke. Webscream went

1971
01:30:42,760 --> 01:30:45,640
Speaker 3: on to say that he is already handing over the

1972
01:30:45,640 --> 01:30:49,400
Speaker 3: twenty twenty one Donk of the Year award to Damien

1973
01:30:49,479 --> 01:30:52,200
Speaker 3: for this move. So I wanted to update the people

1974
01:30:52,640 --> 01:30:55,719
Speaker 3: at the transaction that seemed to have taken place here

1975
01:30:55,880 --> 01:31:00,559
Speaker 3: between old and new. Luke, is there anything out there

1976
01:31:00,560 --> 01:31:03,439
Speaker 3: could do to top what Damien has done? I mean

1977
01:31:03,439 --> 01:31:05,800
Speaker 3: we do have another, you know, another five six months here.

1978
01:31:06,040 --> 01:31:07,320
Speaker 3: I mean, is there anything they could do?

1979
01:31:07,439 --> 01:31:10,600
Speaker 2: Luke? Well, first I'll say, way to fight for it, Webscream.

1980
01:31:10,640 --> 01:31:14,360
Speaker 2: It must mean a lot to you, you old bitch.

1981
01:31:15,160 --> 01:31:16,840
Speaker 2: He was like, yeah, you can fucking have it. I

1982
01:31:16,880 --> 01:31:21,160
Speaker 2: don't give a shit. Uh listen, I'll say this. I mean,

1983
01:31:21,160 --> 01:31:24,360
Speaker 2: he's get it. Was getting your tattoo is setting the

1984
01:31:24,360 --> 01:31:27,679
Speaker 2: bar high, very high. But I'm gonna leave a room

1985
01:31:27,760 --> 01:31:30,760
Speaker 2: for some creative folks out there. You never know what

1986
01:31:30,960 --> 01:31:33,479
Speaker 2: someone might do to impress us. So right now, Damien's

1987
01:31:33,479 --> 01:31:35,120
Speaker 2: your clubhouse leader. But we'll see how things go.

1988
01:31:36,040 --> 01:31:38,800
Speaker 3: Uh Mineach jumps in our producer and says face tat.

1989
01:31:38,840 --> 01:31:40,160
Speaker 3: But Luke, I don't. I was just gonna say, we

1990
01:31:40,160 --> 01:31:41,960
Speaker 3: got to put limits on this. I don't want to

1991
01:31:41,960 --> 01:31:44,720
Speaker 3: see like MK spelled out in your fluids, and I

1992
01:31:44,760 --> 01:31:46,639
Speaker 3: don't want anybody to get a face tat on our

1993
01:31:46,680 --> 01:31:47,880
Speaker 3: regard Luke, Okay please?

1994
01:31:48,320 --> 01:31:49,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean here's the thing though, Like what if

1995
01:31:49,840 --> 01:31:52,120
Speaker 2: someone had twins and named their kids Luke and Brian.

1996
01:31:52,920 --> 01:31:56,360
Speaker 2: That's pretty big wow wow right, and.

1997
01:31:56,360 --> 01:31:59,559
Speaker 3: Especially if both of them girls Luke, I'd be honored.

1998
01:31:59,560 --> 01:32:01,600
Speaker 3: We'd have to be a godfather's for that child and

1999
01:32:01,680 --> 01:32:04,120
Speaker 3: really be responsible to help raising it over the course

2000
01:32:04,120 --> 01:32:04,639
Speaker 3: of No.

2001
01:32:04,640 --> 01:32:06,720
Speaker 2: No, I'd be an absentee landlord in the worst way.

2002
01:32:06,840 --> 01:32:09,559
Speaker 2: I would never call or send kids anything on their birthday.

2003
01:32:11,280 --> 01:32:15,080
Speaker 2: Child lead. Yeah, yeah, exactly, BC for my odds and ends,

2004
01:32:15,120 --> 01:32:18,240
Speaker 2: I'm actually gonna go to show Box results. We had

2005
01:32:18,280 --> 01:32:22,439
Speaker 2: Showbox over the weekend. It was the twentieth anniversary and

2006
01:32:22,520 --> 01:32:24,880
Speaker 2: it was a triple header. Just very quickly, just tell

2007
01:32:24,920 --> 01:32:27,880
Speaker 2: the folks that Isaiah Steen and Calvin Henderson fought off.

2008
01:32:28,320 --> 01:32:29,559
Speaker 2: And I don't know if you saw the fight, PC,

2009
01:32:29,760 --> 01:32:32,160
Speaker 2: it was interesting. It was back and forth through like

2010
01:32:33,000 --> 01:32:36,280
Speaker 2: four rounds and then Steen just kind of took over

2011
01:32:36,320 --> 01:32:39,519
Speaker 2: from rounds five, i'll say, to eight, making it really

2012
01:32:39,600 --> 01:32:43,080
Speaker 2: difficult for Henderson. Henderson tried to corner him and would

2013
01:32:43,160 --> 01:32:45,880
Speaker 2: walk into the traps that Stein was setting. Sometimes Steen

2014
01:32:46,000 --> 01:32:47,799
Speaker 2: was able to back him up by being more active.

2015
01:32:48,000 --> 01:32:49,599
Speaker 2: There was a couple of times where he was landing

2016
01:32:49,640 --> 01:32:52,160
Speaker 2: near home run shots not quite and I thought he

2017
01:32:52,240 --> 01:32:53,680
Speaker 2: might have a chance to put him away. Kind of

2018
01:32:53,720 --> 01:32:56,840
Speaker 2: coasted the last couple of rounds Steen did, but definitely

2019
01:32:56,880 --> 01:32:59,519
Speaker 2: showed himself to be I think the better of the two.

2020
01:32:59,560 --> 01:33:02,679
Speaker 2: And it was a fitting way for Showbox twentieth show

2021
01:33:02,720 --> 01:33:06,800
Speaker 2: to go with a competitive and talented pair in your

2022
01:33:06,800 --> 01:33:07,240
Speaker 2: main event.

2023
01:33:07,800 --> 01:33:10,800
Speaker 3: Here's to twenty more years of that great franchise.

2024
01:33:10,880 --> 01:33:15,559
Speaker 2: Look okay, yeah, yeah, yeah for sure. For our Friday Night, we.

2025
01:33:15,560 --> 01:33:17,960
Speaker 3: Already know could use a little more BC and LT,

2026
01:33:18,080 --> 01:33:19,559
Speaker 3: but that's another topic for another day.

2027
01:33:19,600 --> 01:33:21,920
Speaker 2: You know, I agree, I definitely think so. But you know,

2028
01:33:21,960 --> 01:33:23,240
Speaker 2: we boy can dream. Can't he.

2029
01:33:25,120 --> 01:33:25,479
Speaker 3: Call me?

2030
01:33:25,680 --> 01:33:28,559
Speaker 2: Call me b C. Let's remind the folks thumbs up

2031
01:33:28,560 --> 01:33:30,560
Speaker 2: on the video. If you haven't done it yet, subscribe.

2032
01:33:30,600 --> 01:33:32,280
Speaker 2: If you haven't done it yet, it is free. And

2033
01:33:32,280 --> 01:33:36,040
Speaker 2: by the way, future editions of Room Service Diaries will

2034
01:33:36,080 --> 01:33:38,360
Speaker 2: only be available to subscribers, So if you don't get it,

2035
01:33:38,400 --> 01:33:39,000
Speaker 2: that's on you.

2036
01:33:39,880 --> 01:33:42,120
Speaker 3: We're trying not to get fired here, all right, Yeah.

2037
01:33:41,960 --> 01:33:43,920
Speaker 2: Exactly, We've got stuff here for if you want to

2038
01:33:43,920 --> 01:33:46,160
Speaker 2: follow us on social media in all the different places

2039
01:33:46,200 --> 01:33:48,880
Speaker 2: there you have it there you go for Wednesdays fan

2040
01:33:48,920 --> 01:33:52,200
Speaker 2: submission or Friday's dead wrong, email us Morning Combat at

2041
01:33:52,240 --> 01:33:54,560
Speaker 2: gmail dot com. Let us know in the common or

2042
01:33:54,640 --> 01:33:57,360
Speaker 2: excuse me, the the what do you call it? The

2043
01:33:57,400 --> 01:34:00,200
Speaker 2: subject is part of the email? What is on your mind?

2044
01:34:00,320 --> 01:34:02,640
Speaker 2: Let us know in advance. Uh, if you want to

2045
01:34:02,640 --> 01:34:05,360
Speaker 2: try showtime because by the way, starting on Wednesday, starting

2046
01:34:05,360 --> 01:34:08,479
Speaker 2: tomorrow when the resume review comes out, but basically anytime

2047
01:34:08,520 --> 01:34:10,840
Speaker 2: after right now, it's going to be a lot of

2048
01:34:10,840 --> 01:34:14,080
Speaker 2: Bill Tour two sixty three coverage. It's really truly you know, listen,

2049
01:34:14,160 --> 01:34:15,599
Speaker 2: we give bell to our hard time when I feel

2050
01:34:15,600 --> 01:34:17,080
Speaker 2: like they deserve it, but you got to give them

2051
01:34:17,120 --> 01:34:18,800
Speaker 2: credit when they deserve it as well. This is a

2052
01:34:19,040 --> 01:34:21,400
Speaker 2: very good show, and they've even had injuries that have

2053
01:34:21,479 --> 01:34:23,679
Speaker 2: kind of damaged how good the show is by losing

2054
01:34:23,680 --> 01:34:26,599
Speaker 2: Mega med Mega made Off versus Ruffian statts. I'm told

2055
01:34:26,600 --> 01:34:27,960
Speaker 2: that fight it's going to take place in August, so

2056
01:34:28,000 --> 01:34:29,360
Speaker 2: they're going to get it back very quickly, but it

2057
01:34:29,400 --> 01:34:31,920
Speaker 2: won't be on this card. Still, even with that, the

2058
01:34:32,000 --> 01:34:34,280
Speaker 2: card is very good and it is legitimately one of

2059
01:34:34,320 --> 01:34:37,000
Speaker 2: the better main events, if not the best main event

2060
01:34:37,040 --> 01:34:39,759
Speaker 2: in the organization's history. I've been covering them a long time.

2061
01:34:40,040 --> 01:34:42,160
Speaker 2: They don't get this good very often, so you really

2062
01:34:42,200 --> 01:34:45,679
Speaker 2: got to give them, you know, a lot of positive

2063
01:34:45,720 --> 01:34:48,519
Speaker 2: feedback for it, and answertainly we will. That will be

2064
01:34:48,560 --> 01:34:50,320
Speaker 2: on Showtime Showtime dot com for a thirty day free

2065
01:34:50,320 --> 01:34:51,960
Speaker 2: trollefeed like and you can keep it. If not, you

2066
01:34:52,000 --> 01:34:55,160
Speaker 2: can go pound sand Let's see we got merch.

2067
01:34:56,160 --> 01:34:57,680
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, we got some merch. Why don't you want

2068
01:34:57,720 --> 01:34:58,720
Speaker 3: you wear that shit? Won don't you?

2069
01:34:58,800 --> 01:35:01,519
Speaker 2: Very quickly? Morning Combat dot Store is the place to be,

2070
01:35:01,560 --> 01:35:03,120
Speaker 2: And of course you've got any ideas about mrch you

2071
01:35:03,160 --> 01:35:05,439
Speaker 2: can to shoot us email Morning Combat at gmail dot com.

2072
01:35:05,439 --> 01:35:06,200
Speaker 2: What do you have to say, BC?

2073
01:35:07,320 --> 01:35:08,880
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, you know, we have a lot

2074
01:35:08,880 --> 01:35:11,360
Speaker 3: of pro wrestling fans I watched this, some of them

2075
01:35:11,400 --> 01:35:14,360
Speaker 3: famous as well, So shout out to those guys. But Luke,

2076
01:35:14,400 --> 01:35:19,160
Speaker 3: does the rumors of Daniel Brian and cmpunk going to

2077
01:35:19,280 --> 01:35:23,160
Speaker 3: ae W move you in the slightest, Luke.

2078
01:35:23,280 --> 01:35:28,240
Speaker 2: I don't even know who Daniel Brian is. Okay? Is

2079
01:35:28,280 --> 01:35:28,679
Speaker 2: he good?

2080
01:35:28,840 --> 01:35:31,400
Speaker 3: All I'm saying is the revolution that you know I

2081
01:35:31,479 --> 01:35:33,719
Speaker 3: used to talk about, It's finally here, Luke, It's happening.

2082
01:35:34,040 --> 01:35:36,440
Speaker 2: Is he good? Is Daniel Brian good?

2083
01:35:37,240 --> 01:35:40,559
Speaker 3: Daniel Brian good to many, just to some that Jack

2084
01:35:40,600 --> 01:35:42,840
Speaker 3: Crosby of CBS Sports he's the greatest of all time, Luke,

2085
01:35:42,880 --> 01:35:45,599
Speaker 3: But no, he's a special one. Yeah he's fana he's amazing.

2086
01:35:45,760 --> 01:35:48,880
Speaker 2: Yeah all right, so they'll be that and then yeah,

2087
01:35:49,000 --> 01:35:52,599
Speaker 2: resume review out tomorrow. BC's interviews are up now. I'm

2088
01:35:52,640 --> 01:35:54,760
Speaker 2: supposed to talk to Cory Sanagen in about twenty minutes.

2089
01:35:54,800 --> 01:35:57,800
Speaker 2: That'll be up right after this. It gets done. So

2090
01:35:58,240 --> 01:35:59,840
Speaker 2: being on the lookout, folks, that you have at BC

2091
01:36:00,000 --> 01:36:00,519
Speaker 2: anything else.

2092
01:36:01,680 --> 01:36:04,040
Speaker 3: No, that's it for me this week, Luke, I'm good.

2093
01:36:04,080 --> 01:36:05,400
Speaker 3: I me it was great. It was great hanging out

2094
01:36:05,439 --> 01:36:07,240
Speaker 3: with with our with our people. Luke. I feel like

2095
01:36:07,280 --> 01:36:09,200
Speaker 3: this is like a it's a show, but it's it's

2096
01:36:09,240 --> 01:36:10,639
Speaker 3: like a support group as well.

2097
01:36:10,760 --> 01:36:13,479
Speaker 2: It's a it's a it's a community. See, it's a movement.

2098
01:36:13,800 --> 01:36:15,439
Speaker 2: You understand that it is.

2099
01:36:15,640 --> 01:36:17,560
Speaker 3: It is it's a it's a feeling, Luke, it's you know,

2100
01:36:17,680 --> 01:36:19,800
Speaker 3: it feels good. I'll tell you that much. Yeah.

2101
01:36:19,920 --> 01:36:21,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay.

2102
01:36:21,560 --> 01:36:26,120
Speaker 3: For podcast voting, Lukenich says, get the podcast voting out there.

2103
01:36:26,200 --> 01:36:28,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you can go to Podcast Awards dot com,

2104
01:36:28,200 --> 01:36:31,000
Speaker 2: slash app, slash sign up, worst r l Ever. But

2105
01:36:31,080 --> 01:36:33,320
Speaker 2: once you go there, you can support us by voting

2106
01:36:33,320 --> 01:36:37,160
Speaker 2: for us in Best Sports Podcast, Best Male Hosted Podcast.

2107
01:36:38,240 --> 01:36:40,240
Speaker 3: Can we have like a dash in there, or like

2108
01:36:40,280 --> 01:36:41,760
Speaker 3: a pound sign or you know.

2109
01:36:41,760 --> 01:36:44,120
Speaker 2: Could you we just have a different language at this point,

2110
01:36:44,240 --> 01:36:46,439
Speaker 2: just give us a different keyboard and you have to

2111
01:36:46,520 --> 01:36:47,480
Speaker 2: vote in aramaic.

2112
01:36:47,600 --> 01:36:50,600
Speaker 3: I mean all this Okay, Hey, Luke, look, what's a

2113
01:36:50,760 --> 01:36:52,160
Speaker 3: thing we can put out there? I know we got

2114
01:36:52,160 --> 01:36:53,280
Speaker 3: to go, but what's the thing that we could put

2115
01:36:53,280 --> 01:36:55,640
Speaker 3: out there? If we were to win this award, what

2116
01:36:55,640 --> 01:36:57,439
Speaker 3: would we do with our fans to celebrate.

2117
01:36:59,000 --> 01:37:02,599
Speaker 2: I think we got to do another live show, you know,

2118
01:37:02,800 --> 01:37:08,519
Speaker 2: by by Halloween. That's that possible August, September, October.

2119
01:37:08,600 --> 01:37:10,439
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah.

2120
01:37:10,280 --> 01:37:14,240
Speaker 2: I think that's doable. Yeah. I mean, I'm making a commitment.

2121
01:37:14,280 --> 01:37:16,840
Speaker 2: I can't possibly hold up because that those decisions are

2122
01:37:16,840 --> 01:37:19,200
Speaker 2: made above us. But I can. I can say that,

2123
01:37:20,040 --> 01:37:22,400
Speaker 2: and also I'll say that easy. If we win, there

2124
01:37:22,400 --> 01:37:25,200
Speaker 2: would be some motivation. I think for stuff like that, we.

2125
01:37:25,120 --> 01:37:29,599
Speaker 3: Should do a live show in your front yard, right right, No,

2126
01:37:29,840 --> 01:37:31,160
Speaker 3: bad idea, bad idea.

2127
01:37:31,240 --> 01:37:33,360
Speaker 2: If you think I'm I wouldn't do that, you're out

2128
01:37:33,360 --> 01:37:36,560
Speaker 2: of your mind. I do that in a heartbeat.

2129
01:37:35,920 --> 01:37:38,400
Speaker 3: And really invite donks to your front yard have a

2130
01:37:38,439 --> 01:37:39,920
Speaker 3: workout slash live show.

2131
01:37:40,000 --> 01:37:43,560
Speaker 2: Well no, no, I'm not inviting a live audience. I'm inviting you.

2132
01:37:44,560 --> 01:37:46,960
Speaker 3: See. I imagine you and I at a desk, but

2133
01:37:47,040 --> 01:37:50,160
Speaker 3: like donks doing like prison style workouts all around us.

2134
01:37:50,200 --> 01:37:51,720
Speaker 3: Like you know, it's like a Kearty two.

2135
01:37:51,720 --> 01:37:53,600
Speaker 2: I can do it. We could do it, but it

2136
01:37:53,600 --> 01:37:55,960
Speaker 2: would have to be hand picked donks, Like I'm not

2137
01:37:56,040 --> 01:37:56,720
Speaker 2: just you'd have.

2138
01:37:56,680 --> 01:37:59,920
Speaker 3: To move, You'd have to move it essentially the next day, Luke,

2139
01:38:00,160 --> 01:38:03,360
Speaker 3: you're your family is yeah, you're good.

2140
01:38:03,439 --> 01:38:06,360
Speaker 2: Luck with that, okay, all right, all right, listen, we

2141
01:38:06,439 --> 01:38:08,960
Speaker 2: got to get out of here. So for CBS, Malka,

2142
01:38:09,120 --> 01:38:11,679
Speaker 2: Showtime and everybody else, that's Brian Campbell. I'm Luke Thomas.

2143
01:38:11,800 --> 01:38:14,439
Speaker 2: We'll see you guys on Wednesday. Resume review out tomorrow,

2144
01:38:14,640 --> 01:39:28,240
Speaker 2: and until then, may all of your gains be loyal