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Speaker 1: Attention Bechtel cast listeners. It's me Caitlin and and me

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Speaker 1: Jamie and guess what what? Wait? Shall we say it together? One? Two, three,

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Speaker 1: We're going on to tour. That'll sink in the ad

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Speaker 1: eventually imagine that, but with more enthusiasm because we're very excited.

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Speaker 1: We haven't gone on to work in three human years.

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Speaker 1: That's twenty one dog years. Wow, that's so true. I

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Speaker 1: and dog because that's going to come back in a

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Speaker 1: few seconds. But for now, we're going to just tell

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Speaker 1: you some preliminary facts about the tour. It's on the

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Speaker 1: So we're starting in Los Angeles Ever heard of it?

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Speaker 1: With a show on January at the Alesion Theater the

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Speaker 1: movie Get and that's where the Dog comes back in

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Speaker 1: because it's and it is a dog coming of age movie.

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Speaker 1: It is a goofy movie. We've got been getting requests

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Speaker 1: from this since the beginning, and it's finally time to

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Speaker 1: cover a goofy movie. We can't wait, a coming of

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Speaker 1: age dog movie. Can you believe it? Can you believe it?

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Speaker 1: Then we are going to be scooting scooting on up

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Speaker 1: on foot I believe Caitlin and I will be hiking. Oh,

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Speaker 1: that's why there's a bit of a gap all the

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Speaker 1: way to San Francisco for San Francisco Sketch Festival. We've

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Speaker 1: done it before. If you've been before, come out again.

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Speaker 1: That's on February one. And where is that, Caitlin. That's

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Speaker 1: at the Gateway Theater in San Francisco, and we are

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Speaker 1: covering George of the Jungle. Sorry, sorry, sorry, George, George

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Speaker 1: scoot on up to Portland, Oregon. We will be at

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Speaker 1: We're going to be covering the Goonies. And then at

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Speaker 1: nine pm, Caitlin, what did tell me more? Okay? Also,

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Speaker 1: this is on February twod oh ship, did I not

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Speaker 1: say that? Groundhog Day? But don't think about the movie

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Speaker 1: groundhog Day because that has nothing to do with our tour.

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Speaker 1: We covered that, we did it already. Sorry bitch. Six

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Speaker 1: It is a surprise mystery guest and a surprise mystery movie.

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Speaker 1: It's going to be a banger. I'm very excited. Come

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Speaker 1: to one, come to both, come to both. None of

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Speaker 1: my business, but it will be different, different shows. And

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Speaker 1: then finally we are scooting on up, continuing our journey

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Speaker 1: on foot to Seattle. And on February five, we're doing

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Speaker 1: the Goonies again because guess what, it's hard work to

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Speaker 1: Pacific Northwest Classics. And so if you're in Seattle, come

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Speaker 1: on up for for the Goonies in Seattle. And yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're really excited to go. We're really excited to see

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Speaker 1: everybody again. Um, we will have merch for you. We

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Speaker 1: sell exclusive posters and stuff like that, designed by Jamie,

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Speaker 1: the one and only designed by Mrs Jamie herself. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we can't wait to see you and hang out. And uh,

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Speaker 1: it's been eighty four years since it's been eighty four years,

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Speaker 1: really makes you think. So what you're gonna do is

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Speaker 1: go to our link tree, which is it's always so

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Speaker 1: Knock knock, Hello, Hi, it's me your son Jamie. Oh um,

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Speaker 1: Bechtel Cast. I think that went extraordinarily well. My name

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Speaker 1: get me a bud Light Lemon. I love that bud

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00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,879
Speaker 1: Light Lemon. And then Tim Alan brings it over. He's like,

424
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,200
Speaker 1: here's that bud Light Lemon you asked for and then

425
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 1: he SIPs it and he's like, pretty good. There at

426
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 1: least yeah, like ten different direct references to different brands

427
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:50,119
Speaker 1: of alcohol. It's just like very funny. Like but the

428
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 1: drain No got me good because they literally prefaced the

429
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:55,920
Speaker 1: drain O spawn by being like, this is a main

430
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:59,119
Speaker 1: ingredient in meth and then it's like, cut to a

431
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,640
Speaker 1: bottle of rain No. Drain No, make your meth with it,

432
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 1: like only the best meth amphetam no store brand for me.

433
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:17,680
Speaker 1: I make myth amphetamine with original branded drain No so bad,

434
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 1: so they're telling Eric. Then Eric goes and knocks on

435
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 1: the door of Tim Allen because Eric is looking for

436
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 1: a guy named Michael Roth. Eric had found this fifteen

437
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 1: year old letter and the return address on the letter

438
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 1: is Tim Allen's address. We don't really know who he's

439
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 1: looking for or why, but he's like, I have this

440
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 1: letter and this is the return address. But Tim Allen

441
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 1: is very hostile. He's possibly drunk because he also is

442
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 1: an alcoholic. He says, I'm not your daddy. He says,

443
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not your daddy. Leave me alone. But

444
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 1: then he's like, if you buy me a beer, I

445
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,719
Speaker 1: will tell you about the guy who lived here before me.

446
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 1: So Eric takes Tim to a bar, but which you

447
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 1: shouldn't do in the movie and you shouldn't do with

448
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 1: Tim Allen in real life. Real life. No, tim Allen

449
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 1: continues to be a piece of ship at the bar.

450
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 1: He doesn't tell Eric anything, so Eric storms out. As

451
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 1: Eric is returning to his motel, Deputy Bill and Carl

452
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 1: stop him and arrest him because they find weed that

453
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 1: Tim Allen had left in Eric's car, and they're also like,

454
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 1: you have drain o, so you're making meth. And they're like,

455
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 1: and you don't even know anything about your car, so

456
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 1: that means you're a criminal. And then which again this

457
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 1: doesn't marry right. This is great representation of how police

458
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 1: actually function. In my experience, Like up to this point,

459
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 1: this is incredibly accurate. I must say I was kind

460
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 1: of surprised at the specificity of like a totally like bogus,

461
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: like we'd charge as an as an excuse to arrest

462
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 1: someone that they just wanted to arrest anyways. And then

463
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 1: also how it's like and we'll get into this in

464
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 1: the discussion later, but how at the beginning it's established

465
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 1: that like Vincent Dinafrio's character is not arresting enough people,

466
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 1: and so his motivation going to is like he just

467
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 1: needs to make arrests so he appears productive. Yes. Yes,

468
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 1: this was also the thing that tipped me off that

469
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 1: they were not in California, because I was like, oh,

470
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 1: we does not illegal in California, but it's legal in Nevada?

471
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 1: Is it okay? Was it? I have the answer? Please

472
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 1: tell us, Jamie. The reason why this movie feels like

473
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 1: it takes place on another planet is not only because

474
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 1: it's bad. It's because the script was written in two

475
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 1: thousand and seven. Oh, this was in development for over

476
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 1: ten years, so I think Mr. Hidden Figures was really

477
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 1: embarrassed that it actually came out at some point. They

478
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 1: developed this for ten years humiliating. I mean, I think

479
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 1: you can see that what a labor of love it

480
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 1: was for everyone involved. A passion project perhaps, So yeah,

481
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 1: the passion project that just ends up being a bad

482
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 1: Nativity play. So okay. Anyway, So so they've arrested Eric

483
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 1: and they bring him into the whatever like jail cell

484
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 1: and Deputy Carl beats the ship out of Eric. But

485
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 1: the next morning, Deputy Bill, that's again Dax Shepherd, let's

486
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 1: Eric go. But this is something that Carl doesn't know about.

487
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 1: And Carl spots Eric driving away, so Deputy Carl chases

488
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 1: after him. They both end up at Vicente liquor Mart,

489
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 1: where Kate and her son also are, where Tim Allen

490
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 1: is and where the owner, Vicente is, and Carl comes

491
00:31:55,840 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 1: in guns blazing, and Tim Allen, who is is ex

492
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 1: military and he has a gun on him. He shoots

493
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 1: Carl in the leg, and then in this kind of scuffle,

494
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 1: Eric ends up with both guns. For some reason, I

495
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 1: kept forgetting his name was Eric. I just kept writing

496
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: down his name in my notes as drain Now. Mr

497
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 1: drain Now was like drain Now has got a crush,

498
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 1: draina needs a dad, whatever, drain No has two guns now,

499
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 1: and it turns into a hostage situation where Eric a

500
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 1: k A. Drain No is holding everyone there hostage and

501
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 1: Sheriff Bob and Deputy Bill arrive. Eric tries to escape,

502
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 1: but the cops have him surrounded. There's more shooting. Meanwhile,

503
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 1: Beth Flowers aka Jessica Alba figures out that something is

504
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:49,959
Speaker 1: going on, so she and Jimmy O Young show up

505
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 1: on the scene to report about it. The shooting kind

506
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 1: of calms down and everyone in the store is like, Hey, Eric,

507
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 1: why are you holding us hostage? Just turn yourself in

508
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 1: and he's like, pass And it takes us at least.

509
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 1: It took me a while to understand why he's holding hostages,

510
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 1: but I guess it's because he's trying to clear his

511
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 1: name from his arrest last night, and he's like, I'm

512
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 1: not gonna let everyone got What was your take on

513
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 1: why Draina was holding them hostage? I couldn't. Yeah, I

514
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 1: wasn't even clear if he was really holding them, because

515
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 1: it seems to me like the hostage situation was sort

516
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 1: of like Carl was really the catalyst for that. He's like,

517
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 1: you're holding us all hostage, and a couple of times

518
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 1: Eric drain No even said like, I'm not holding anyone,

519
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 1: you can go, But then the cops started shooting, so

520
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 1: of course no one would want to leave at that point.

521
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 1: So I I wasn't even really clear if he was

522
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 1: like even holding them, and and Carl was really the

523
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 1: one saying like he's got hostages, he's got hostages, and

524
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 1: they overpower him and shut him up as a result

525
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 1: of that. So like, did writers even know if Eric

526
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 1: was motivated to hold these people at hostage? I don't know.

527
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 1: To me, it really seemed like he ended up with

528
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 1: the guns in his hand. The call had gone out,

529
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 1: and no one was able to leave at that point.

530
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 1: So right, and he was viewed as having escaped. I

531
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 1: guess because right that was another well I don't know

532
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 1: if we want to get into this in the discussion,

533
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 1: but like the way he left the jail was not clear.

534
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 1: It was not clear if he had been released, if

535
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:35,800
Speaker 1: he was an escape ee unclear. I mean, Dax Shepherd's like,

536
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go take a dump. I'm gonna leave the

537
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 1: door open, I'm gonna give your keys, and if you're

538
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 1: not back when I get back, well then shrug. I

539
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 1: don't know what happened, right, But it's like, is he

540
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 1: setting him up to be an escaped convict or is

541
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,799
Speaker 1: he actually being like, my partner is a piece of ship,

542
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 1: and I feel bad for you, so I'm letting you go. Unclear,

543
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 1: because there's paperwork that needs to happen, and like, if

544
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 1: you've booked him as an arrest ee, you can't just

545
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 1: let someone like walk out. You need to process them

546
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 1: or they're still going to be in the system, which

547
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 1: presents the whole right. I interpret it as Dax Shepherd

548
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:15,800
Speaker 1: is extremely incompetent at a cop, and so he was

549
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 1: just like, well, I'm just gonna let him go, and

550
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 1: he so he wasn't like setting him up necessarily. He

551
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 1: was just like, well, I'll just let you go. It

552
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 1: was just a weird charge. I was sort of unclear

553
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 1: on that too. Yeah, because the dad from that seventy show,

554
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 1: like mostly what he's doing is calling Dak Shepherd of

555
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 1: a fucking fool all the time, where he just like

556
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,320
Speaker 1: every word out of his mouth, he's like Dax Shepherd,

557
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:43,879
Speaker 1: who by the way, sucks at everything. Like so it's

558
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,799
Speaker 1: like we're definitely supposed to think that and he does.

559
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 1: But also it's like you don't know how he but

560
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:53,360
Speaker 1: like even even uh fucking fools who don't know anything

561
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 1: have feelings, and I'm like, I don't know how he

562
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:59,399
Speaker 1: feels about anything. It was really so confusing. Yeah. Yeah,

563
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:03,319
Speaker 1: And also we didn't touch on this yet, but like Carl, Yeah,

564
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 1: like Carl incites this event to the point where he

565
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: like you know, shoots a gun in the air and

566
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 1: then says shots fired too. So he's also like accusing

567
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 1: drain no of additional things he didn't do. He's making

568
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 1: it sound like drain oh was shooting when it was

569
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 1: Carl who shot I think twice before getting into the store. Right, So,

570
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 1: a semi hostage situation unfolds, but it's not because Eric

571
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 1: is actually holding anyone hostage. It's because this corrupt cop, Carl,

572
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 1: instigates this whole thing, and gun violence ensues. Gunshots are

573
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 1: fired by a bunch of people, and then so now

574
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:50,320
Speaker 1: it's just too hostile of the situation to like de

575
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,800
Speaker 1: escalate safely kind of thing. So that's what's going on

576
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 1: inside the liquor mart. The cops outside, namely Sheriff Bob

577
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 1: and the beauty Bill, are trying to figure out who

578
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 1: is inside and who is the gunmen who took the

579
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 1: other's hostage quote unquote. They do suspect Eric as the gunman,

580
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:13,839
Speaker 1: and they figured out who else is inside the store,

581
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 1: except that they don't know that Tim Allen is inside,

582
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 1: and that will become important later. And after a few hours,

583
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 1: the cops decide to ambush the store to take down

584
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:29,800
Speaker 1: the gunman and save the hostages. But right before this happens,

585
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 1: Carl shoots Eric with a secret gun that he had

586
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 1: the whole time. It's kind of a plot gun, a

587
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 1: plot gun that he was hiding in his butt crack

588
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:43,879
Speaker 1: question mark. It's so poor and it's like also knowing

589
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 1: anything about like this stage of Vincent din Afria's career,

590
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 1: I'm just like I feel for him that like he's oh,

591
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 1: it's just it's just all such a bummer. And once

592
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: we're in the liquor store, it's like pretty much paid

593
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,360
Speaker 1: advertising all the way. Like there's in the bat background

594
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 1: of every impactful shot, there's like Tito's vodka. Oh my god.

595
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 1: My favorite scene is um to Valin and his and

596
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: dren No to Vlin and Dreana were talking about Vietnam

597
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 1: and it's cutting back and forth between a shot of

598
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:21,280
Speaker 1: like pop Tarts and like instant Ramen, and the labels

599
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 1: are so prominent that he's like, you were never there

600
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:27,360
Speaker 1: for me pop Tarts, I couldn't be there for you

601
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 1: instant Ramen, like it's really it's really special. Um So,

602
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 1: Vincent Donofrio shoots Draino with a secret plot gun he

603
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 1: has in his but yes, exactly, this movie rocks Eric Eric.

604
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:46,360
Speaker 1: Eric shoots Carl back and fatally kills him. That's not

605
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 1: how you say that. But the cops here the gun

606
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:53,360
Speaker 1: shots and open fire on the liquor store. Vicenta gets shot.

607
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 1: Everyone is freaking out. Silent Night is playing on the

608
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 1: soundtrack because it's Christmas Eve. You also haven't mentioned the

609
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 1: single mom in a while, which is showing how much

610
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 1: the story Uh yeah, correct. And then Tim Allen starts

611
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 1: telling a story about the Vietnam War and Eric is like,

612
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:20,399
Speaker 1: I already know because I read your letters because you're

613
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 1: my daddy, and Tim Allen is like, yes, son, I

614
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 1: should have been there for your mom or something. Meanwhile,

615
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 1: Jessica Alba's Gregnancy has reached critical mass and she goes

616
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:36,240
Speaker 1: into labor on air as she's reporting, Honestly, I didn't

617
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 1: think they would do it. I was like, Okay, if

618
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 1: a movie is like written and directed by like sis guys,

619
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 1: if there's a pregnant character that's Tchekov's Greg, and that

620
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 1: Greg is gonna like rock it out like a T

621
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:51,839
Speaker 1: shirt gun at some point in the movie, they can't

622
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 1: help themselves. You can't let someone leave the movie is

623
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 1: still pregnant, even if it takes place over the course

624
00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 1: of thirty seven minutes or whatever. The FuG She is

625
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 1: so gregnant and in labor. The decks shepherd later hands

626
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,839
Speaker 1: her water bottle and then she throws it at someone else,

627
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 1: and then she says it hurts so bad because that's

628
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 1: how being in labor is. God Jessica out and it's

629
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 1: like Jessica Alba is like a parent. She knows that

630
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 1: this isn't how kids. Yeah, she knows that this isn't

631
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 1: how Greg Nancy works. I mean, I know it hurts

632
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:27,840
Speaker 1: very bad. The way she was acting though, it is,

633
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 1: but the way they had her positioned, I thought she

634
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,319
Speaker 1: had also been shot. And I was like, oh no, wait,

635
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 1: she's the pregnant character, so of course she's giving birth. Well,

636
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 1: because this movie is I think, in theory a comedy,

637
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 1: but It took me so long to figure that out

638
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 1: because the comedy totally it's just a very very weird movie.

639
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 1: There are attempts at comedy in it, but it rarely

640
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 1: lands or makes sense or there's just like so much

641
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 1: tonal dissonance and it's absurd. I don't know what you're

642
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 1: talking about. It made total sense to me, and I

643
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:06,799
Speaker 1: was cracking up there. I did laugh whenever it cut

644
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 1: to pop tarts. Um, I laughed at the parts that

645
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 1: you're not supposed to be laughing at. So so then

646
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:18,879
Speaker 1: the FBI shows up and Kate and her son leave

647
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:22,399
Speaker 1: the store, which they probably could have done the whole time. Yes,

648
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 1: I think so. No one was ever going to shoot them,

649
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:30,280
Speaker 1: So now it's just Eric and his dad, Tim Allen,

650
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 1: and Tim Allen decides to take the fall for this,

651
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 1: and he acts like he's the gunman who took the

652
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 1: hostages in order to save Eric, but not before he

653
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:46,320
Speaker 1: makes a weird pass at the second most prominent woman

654
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 1: in the movie, which is a cardboard cut out of

655
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 1: a PBR model. Good stuff, incredible writing, flawless, no notes. Okay,

656
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 1: So he goes outside with the cardboard cutout of this

657
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 1: sexy lady and then he pulls out both guns. So

658
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 1: the cops shoot down Tom Allen and kill him. But

659
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 1: that's his like redemption thing. Then we flashed forward to

660
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 1: a hundred and eighty two days later, very specific number.

661
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:23,360
Speaker 1: Vicente has lived. I feel like that had to change.

662
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 1: That had to be a script note. He was so

663
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 1: dead and like extremely he's fine and on vacation, and

664
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:34,320
Speaker 1: the epilogue it is I mean, I'm glad his character lived,

665
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 1: but that is not how that was shot at all.

666
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 1: That he was also thirty two million dollars richer, and

667
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 1: he made a comment of if you do the math,

668
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:47,840
Speaker 1: that's eight million per bullet, which is just again that

669
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 1: note about comedy and tone. I just I'm like, I

670
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 1: didn't even catch supposed to be miserable, right, God, I'm

671
00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 1: not sure. Okay, So it's a hundred. It's six months later,

672
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 1: but they call it two days later. We check in

673
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:08,320
Speaker 1: with all of the characters, such as Deputy Bill is

674
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:12,840
Speaker 1: running for sheriff. Beth Flowers is a reporter in Austin, Texas.

675
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 1: Now Kate's mom is dating a weather guy from l

676
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: A and laughing at his horrible joke. Vicente is still alive,

677
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,800
Speaker 1: and he got this huge settlement out of being shot

678
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 1: by the cops, and Eric is hanging out with Kate

679
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:33,879
Speaker 1: and her son at a diner. The and his daddy died,

680
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 1: but now he's daddy. Now he's daddy. Like the Santa Claus,

681
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 1: They're gonn only be one daddy. It's like the Santa Clause.

682
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 1: It's like The Godfather. There's a lot of parallels. You

683
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 1: gotta take down the first daddy and then you're now

684
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 1: you're the one. You're the daddy exactly, the daddy now.

685
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 1: And then the movie is like, all right, it's over,

686
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 1: and then it cuts to like my movie credits and

687
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 1: Vincent din Afrio singing a dorble rendition of a Christmas song. Alright,

688
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:04,839
Speaker 1: let's take another quick break and we will come back

689
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 1: to discuss, and we're back. Okay. Um, so I already

690
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 1: like started to get into this, but um, in your

691
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 1: professional opinion, what is this? What is going on here?

692
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:33,400
Speaker 1: And and how professional opinion? What the yeah with the respect,

693
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 1: what the fund is happening in this movie? Is there?

694
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:38,799
Speaker 1: Because it's like you're you mentioned at a few points

695
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 1: like that is actually like a pretty realistic thing that

696
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 1: a sheriff. Remember the sheriff Department made do. How do

697
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 1: you feel this movie did in terms of that, in

698
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 1: terms of representing how a lot of Sheriff's Department officials,

699
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 1: a lot of police officials treat their job and relate

700
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:04,320
Speaker 1: to the people in their profession. I thought it was

701
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 1: pretty spot on. The constant drinking that Carl is doing

702
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 1: on the job, his manipulation of active crime, scenes of

703
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:17,879
Speaker 1: evidence of beating people, and custody that are handcuffed. I've

704
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 1: seen all of that before multiple times. The sheriff himself

705
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 1: when he arrives on the scene. This is all taking

706
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:26,799
Speaker 1: place at a gas station, and the sheriff is chain

707
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:31,479
Speaker 1: smoking throughout this gas station constantly. Um. He even makes

708
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 1: a remark about that they're going to send in the

709
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 1: gas and gas all these people out of the structure. Um.

710
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:41,360
Speaker 1: That gas was actually used in Waco, Texas, when the

711
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 1: Branch Davidians were in this stand up, very similar standoff,

712
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:48,320
Speaker 1: and I thought a lot about the Branch Davidians watching this, Actually,

713
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 1: I was like, who is the Koresh of this Yeah,

714
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 1: of this liquor store. Yeah, And when they did that

715
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:59,879
Speaker 1: to Koresh and his followers, that gas, Um, that gas

716
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 1: highly flammable, and we saw what happened to those poor

717
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 1: souls in Waco, Texas. They were all burned alive. And

718
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,839
Speaker 1: again this is happening at a gas station and he's

719
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 1: starting to bring in this highly flammable gas. And then

720
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 1: at the end when Billy is campaigning for sheriff and

721
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 1: he is in uniform, illegally campaigning Um whilst on the job.

722
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:23,280
Speaker 1: That's another thing that we saw throughout this past election

723
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 1: cycle when our now sheriff soon to be ex Sheriff,

724
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:31,840
Speaker 1: Alex Nueva Um did this multiple times throughout the election cycle.

725
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:35,240
Speaker 1: So as far as Oh my God, and my favorite

726
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 1: part in this movie, before Karl dies, he guilt trips

727
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 1: everyone in the store and says, who was the one

728
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 1: you came to when you had a problem? Um? Ostensibly

729
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 1: as a member of the sheriff's department. You know it's

730
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:51,319
Speaker 1: your job to do something when you know a woman

731
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 1: comes to you and says that she's a victim of

732
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 1: domestic violence. Right, You're not a hero for doing your

733
00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 1: job correct? Well, that was like what the things that

734
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 1: pain for me? Where I was like, is he implying

735
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:05,280
Speaker 1: that he did a good job in that situation because

736
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:08,840
Speaker 1: it's like the sheriff's department also has a horrible record

737
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:12,280
Speaker 1: with preventing domestic violence. It seems like they are causing

738
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 1: it more often than they are preventing it. Right, And

739
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 1: he implied that he really didn't do anything. When he

740
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 1: talks about the man that was hitting Katie, he says,

741
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 1: I ran him out of town, which to me doesn't

742
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 1: sound like, Oh, I you know, pursued a case scott

743
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 1: evidence and saw him prosecuted, so the full it's done

744
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 1: on the law. Instead, he behaved like a vigilante and

745
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:35,800
Speaker 1: ran this person out of town where he you know,

746
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:38,919
Speaker 1: I'm assuming he's probably gone on to victimize another woman

747
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 1: in another city. Right, Oh my gosh. So my question is,

748
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 1: while a lot of the behavior and actions of the

749
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 1: deputies and sheriff tracks with real life sheriff department behavior,

750
00:47:56,760 --> 00:48:00,320
Speaker 1: how does the movie feel about these characters though? Because

751
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 1: at certain points I'm like, oh, they're they're showing us like,

752
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:08,839
Speaker 1: look how corrupt Carl is and isn't that horrible? Look

753
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:12,720
Speaker 1: how incompetent Bill is and isn't that embarrassing? And shouldn't

754
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 1: we have, you know, better people on the force. But

755
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 1: then the movie, especially the way it ends, it like

756
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 1: does a lot too, I think encourage the audience to

757
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 1: empathize with, especially Sheriff Bob and Deputy Bill, because it

758
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 1: checks back in with them and it's like, ha ha,

759
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 1: aren't these moments funny? Where Bob is getting hypnotherapy question

760
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:37,880
Speaker 1: Mark to try to stop smoking and Bill is like

761
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:41,839
Speaker 1: having a goofy moment with this woman who keeps having

762
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 1: raccoons on her property. I'm like, how does the movie

763
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 1: actually feel about law enforcement? And is it coming from

764
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 1: the right place? That is something I was never clear

765
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 1: on both times I watched this movie. You watched this

766
00:48:56,800 --> 00:49:03,879
Speaker 1: movie twice? I did that that is the appropriate response. Well,

767
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 1: in my defense, I also only have four brain cells left,

768
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:09,799
Speaker 1: and I have to watch a movie twice. You can't

769
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 1: catch all the gorgeous nuance of this film on only

770
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:16,439
Speaker 1: one watch. Yeah, you need to see it twice. Yeah.

771
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 1: I felt I had some similar like, I mean, this

772
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 1: movie is so like this movie felt like it was

773
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:24,759
Speaker 1: written by so many people that from scene to scene

774
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 1: it felt like it's loyalties would shift, like in one

775
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 1: way or another. Because even like the because I agree

776
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 1: series that like the guilt trip that Carl does at

777
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 1: the end is like very in character of what a

778
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 1: real life member of a sheriff's department might do, but

779
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 1: then like the music that backs him sort of makes

780
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:52,360
Speaker 1: it sound like think about that. Yeah, this changes everything

781
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 1: when right, It's so bizarre and but it's also like

782
00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:00,719
Speaker 1: Tim Allen's character is like against the sheriff and is

783
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 1: like almost the voice of reason in the scene, which

784
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 1: is like very He's also a Vietnam veteran who like

785
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 1: lovingly recalls like bombing the fuck out of a village

786
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:14,360
Speaker 1: that I had to That is one scene that I

787
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 1: did rewatch to be like did I Did I get

788
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 1: that right? Where the story he tells, And please either

789
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:23,840
Speaker 1: of you correct me if I misunderstood this, because I

790
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 1: was just like, this can't be it he's talking about

791
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 1: He's he's very romantically recalling being in Vietnam. He's in

792
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:37,400
Speaker 1: some sort of leadership position. He sees a village full

793
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 1: of innocent families and says, let's not murder this village.

794
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:49,239
Speaker 1: But then the Vietnamese armed forces instead kill not just

795
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:52,800
Speaker 1: the village but also a bunch of Tim Allen's buddies.

796
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 1: And so Tim Allen is like, I really wish that

797
00:50:56,719 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 1: I had just killed those innocent people like that, I think,

798
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 1: so that's what I had sunk for me. Yeah, just

799
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:10,840
Speaker 1: a baffling way to make us and we're supposed to

800
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:15,800
Speaker 1: like really like him and that it's just so dissonant

801
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 1: and bizarre, right because this is like the beginning of

802
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:22,799
Speaker 1: his redemption arc. And then he's like, well, I wasn't

803
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:25,360
Speaker 1: there for you as a daddy. Maybe if I had

804
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:27,799
Speaker 1: just killed all those innocent people, I would have been

805
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 1: a good father to you. I I think is is

806
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 1: this is the takeaway? And then he's like, well, I

807
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 1: threw my life away, but I can still redeem myself

808
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 1: if I go outside and take the fall for this

809
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 1: hostage situation out my guns for some reason, and then

810
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:52,919
Speaker 1: get shot down. And then as he's dying. I didn't

811
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:55,759
Speaker 1: mention this to recap, but as he's lying there bleeding out,

812
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 1: he says something. He's like looking up to heaven presumably,

813
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:03,439
Speaker 1: and he's like, well, I hope it's better up there

814
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 1: in heaven. Like what does he say? It's something like

815
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 1: that you're not going there to him, straight to hell, bro.

816
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 1: But then there's other moments it's so hard. There's other

817
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 1: moments where at least in regards to how the other

818
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:25,439
Speaker 1: characters in the gas Station view the sheriff's department, where

819
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, they're nibbling at something there where

820
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 1: like I feel like, very often in movies that feature cops, sheriffs,

821
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 1: any sort of like violent law enforcement, it like underestimates

822
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:45,480
Speaker 1: the average person's ability to understand how obviously corrupt the

823
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 1: authorities are. And it sort of is like everyone is

824
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 1: just like completely loyal and they're like gets a police officer,

825
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:55,400
Speaker 1: it's a sheriff. They would never hurt me. And the

826
00:52:55,600 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 1: characters in this movie, while terribly written, do seem to

827
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 1: like constantly acknowledge how corrupt the sheriff's department is. Like

828
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 1: it seems like everybody is kind of aware of it,

829
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 1: to the point where even Tim Allen like calls out

830
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:14,000
Speaker 1: the hypocrisy of the sheriff, and like, I thought that

831
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:18,359
Speaker 1: was interesting, where like Vincent din Afriel was saying, like, oh,

832
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 1: Tim Allen, you're a drunk, and Tim Allen's like, well,

833
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:24,760
Speaker 1: I don't drink and drive or drink and arrest people

834
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 1: like you do, so, which is like, yeah, facts, bro,

835
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:32,920
Speaker 1: He's kind of he kind of nailed it. It was

836
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 1: so confusing I'm just an asshole when I'm drunk. You

837
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 1: I do like when Tim Allen, I guess, gets so

838
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:43,279
Speaker 1: drunk that he passes out for what seems to be

839
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:48,880
Speaker 1: a large portion of the hostage situation because he's just snoozing,

840
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:52,280
Speaker 1: snoring on the ground. That bud light lemon, That bud

841
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:55,880
Speaker 1: light lemon, right to sleep, the bud light lemon, the

842
00:53:55,960 --> 00:54:01,239
Speaker 1: past blue ribbon, the fed vodka, the pop tarts, that chetos. Oh,

843
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:04,400
Speaker 1: there was also the romance scene near the cheetos. I

844
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 1: really like the cheeto romance scene. You know what really

845
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:13,720
Speaker 1: gets me going is a nice hot cheeto. Oh, perhaps

846
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 1: even a flaming hot cheeto. Um we I guess talk

847
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:23,400
Speaker 1: about the women in the movie, Yeah, it'll be a

848
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 1: short discussion, so we've got well. This was another thing

849
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:32,360
Speaker 1: that was I think was a pretty boldly gross precedent

850
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:34,759
Speaker 1: that this movie seems to want to explore, Which is

851
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:39,120
Speaker 1: that um our main character. Oh God, I've kept writing

852
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 1: drain No's girl, Kate. Kate is a young single mom.

853
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:47,280
Speaker 1: Of what we learned in the scene where they're introduced,

854
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 1: it seems of a boy with autism or his doctor

855
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:55,239
Speaker 1: is suggesting, I think your son maybe on the autism spectrum,

856
00:54:56,040 --> 00:55:01,040
Speaker 1: and Kate immediately denies this, does not want to listen,

857
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:03,799
Speaker 1: and we are supposed to be firmly on her side

858
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 1: about this, correct. She is coming in with an extremely

859
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 1: ablest stance because she seems to be horrified at the

860
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:16,840
Speaker 1: thought that her son would be on the autism spectrum,

861
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 1: because like neurodivergent in anyway, because she's basically like, he

862
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:23,480
Speaker 1: is normal, and it's like, well, what do you mean

863
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:26,840
Speaker 1: when you say that, Kate? Well, the way the doctor

864
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:31,280
Speaker 1: describes autism spectrum disorders is extremely able ist too, because

865
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 1: she says something like, you know, children can seem perfectly

866
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 1: normal with only minor anomalies, and it's like, that is

867
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:45,279
Speaker 1: not how we talk about neurodivergence. Doctor. Also, what are

868
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 1: you a doctor in? Like? It was also very unclear

869
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:52,759
Speaker 1: what the appointment had been for. That scene was horribly done,

870
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 1: and then I was like, God, I hope that because

871
00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:58,520
Speaker 1: it seemed like the reason this even came up is

872
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 1: because her son seth question mark, was non verbal and

873
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:06,800
Speaker 1: it hadn't begun speaking. I don't know how old the

874
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:09,399
Speaker 1: character is, it doesn't matter. Five we learned he's five

875
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:12,360
Speaker 1: years old. He's five, okay, So he's five and and

876
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:16,759
Speaker 1: he's nonverbal. His mother is not willing to talk to

877
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 1: a doctor about this, but the doctor is also horrible.

878
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:22,400
Speaker 1: The story plays out there held hostage for no reason.

879
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:25,439
Speaker 1: They could have left it any time. And then it's

880
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 1: like implied by the movie that drain No becoming a

881
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 1: father quote unquote cures Yes, Seth non verbal and then

882
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:38,840
Speaker 1: all of a sudden he's speaking in full sentences because

883
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:41,520
Speaker 1: drain now is his daddy. Now. It's just like fucking

884
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 1: absurd and gross. That is the logic of the movie.

885
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:49,480
Speaker 1: Could I track it? No, But is what the movie

886
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:53,680
Speaker 1: seems to be suggesting really bizarre? Um. And then we

887
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:57,640
Speaker 1: already talked about Jessica Alba's characters able is um, yeah,

888
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 1: so that's horrendous. Well, and the fact that all three

889
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:03,560
Speaker 1: women who appear in the movie are just like defined

890
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:07,839
Speaker 1: by mommy, like their mommy, the single mom. She's there

891
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 1: to be mommy. Her mommy is also there to be mommy.

892
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 1: But but that moms. Oh yeah about horny mom really quick, well,

893
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 1: there are three what a horny mom? There are three

894
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 1: stages of mommy nous. There is currently gregnant mommy. There

895
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 1: is young mummy who has a small child already. And

896
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 1: then there's older horny mom mommy. And also she's technically

897
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 1: horny grandma as well, another beloved trope on the Pectel

898
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:40,440
Speaker 1: cast exactly. But and she's she's so horny she can't parent.

899
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:43,600
Speaker 1: Like that's how horny this woman is. Like I have

900
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:47,920
Speaker 1: to go bowling with Dennis the dental hygienist and we're like,

901
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 1: what do you have a sexy bowling shirt? I will say,

902
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:55,800
Speaker 1: of all the actors in the movie, I feel like

903
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:59,560
Speaker 1: horny Horny Mom was did the most with the least.

904
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 1: No one is doing anything in this movie but horny Mom.

905
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 1: She tried to make the best of it. Did it work, No,

906
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:09,080
Speaker 1: but she tried. She tried. Same with the Sente given

907
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 1: nothing sent justice for Vicente. Um. I want to shout

908
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:15,919
Speaker 1: out a few of my favorite moments in the movie.

909
00:58:16,040 --> 00:58:19,280
Speaker 1: I mean, speaking of Kate and the lack of characterization

910
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:22,640
Speaker 1: she is given. One of the most absurd scenes to

911
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:25,920
Speaker 1: me in the movie was it's toward the beginning, she's

912
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 1: working at the liquor mart, behind the counter, the only

913
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 1: person working there. She's behind the counter. She's supposed to

914
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:37,120
Speaker 1: be like, you know, making sure things are running smoothly.

915
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:39,840
Speaker 1: Eric comes in. It's about it as much as the

916
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:43,960
Speaker 1: movie knows about running a store to working at store

917
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:49,440
Speaker 1: and you know, etcetera, etcetera, YadA YadA, YadA. Um. Eric

918
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:53,320
Speaker 1: comes in. Kate is behind the cash register, but she's

919
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 1: turned away, facing like one eight degrees away from the entrance,

920
00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:01,440
Speaker 1: the cash register, the counter. She's also hunched over a

921
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:04,840
Speaker 1: book and listening to music on headphones, so he has

922
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:08,440
Speaker 1: to be like, hey, excuse me. He grabs her. This

923
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:11,440
Speaker 1: startles her and she's very piste off about it, but

924
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:14,720
Speaker 1: it's like, yes, he shouldn't have grabbed her, but you

925
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:20,120
Speaker 1: were doing your job so badly, like you were turned

926
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:23,720
Speaker 1: away from everything you should have been turned toward, and

927
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:27,080
Speaker 1: anyone could have come in and just like stolen everything.

928
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:30,080
Speaker 1: Like okay, Caitlin, I will say, that's not the comment,

929
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:35,880
Speaker 1: because I have done that job like that. Have I

930
00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 1: absolutely worked at a desk, not facing the people I

931
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:43,040
Speaker 1: was supposed to be serving, actively blocking them out. Absolutely,

932
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:46,640
Speaker 1: I understand the I actually support her doing her job

933
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:51,520
Speaker 1: that way, that being badly studying microbiology. Yeah, that's not

934
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:55,440
Speaker 1: like other girls. He's a woman in stem. She has

935
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:57,880
Speaker 1: literally a woman in stem. Will that become relevant? No,

936
00:59:58,080 --> 01:00:03,040
Speaker 1: she's a mother. I just was I like that they

937
01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:05,880
Speaker 1: just threw that out there for no reason. I was

938
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:09,480
Speaker 1: just confounded that she was so mad that he startled

939
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:14,520
Speaker 1: her when she was doing her job. Not well anyway,

940
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 1: I guess I just I hate Drano so and ran

941
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:21,920
Speaker 1: such a Yeah, he's he's the worst. Also, like I

942
01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 1: love when a whole movie could have been a text

943
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:27,120
Speaker 1: or something like that, Like he could have just like

944
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:29,800
Speaker 1: emailed Tim Allen and this whole movie would not have

945
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:34,000
Speaker 1: happened and it would have made more sense. But whatever. Yeah,

946
01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:36,280
Speaker 1: but it's I kind of forgot that they told us

947
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:39,360
Speaker 1: that Kate is like going to school for anything, because

948
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:44,000
Speaker 1: it's never relevant, Like her problems are she is, I

949
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:46,480
Speaker 1: mean a real problem. She's a single momb struggling to

950
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 1: get by, okay, but that's the only thing that's ever

951
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:52,360
Speaker 1: really relevant. Is like that she has a young son

952
01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:55,880
Speaker 1: that she struggles with caretaking for it because she doesn't

953
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:58,800
Speaker 1: have a lot of money. Enter horny mom who's not helpful.

954
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:02,160
Speaker 1: But it's all problems. And then and then on top

955
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:05,360
Speaker 1: of that, they throw in and she loves Drain. Now

956
01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:09,000
Speaker 1: she's got a little crush on Drain. No, but she's

957
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:11,400
Speaker 1: so I guess my point is for this scene is

958
01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:15,480
Speaker 1: that the writers for some reason wanted to establish conflict

959
01:01:15,640 --> 01:01:20,680
Speaker 1: between Kate and drain Oh, but the way they do

960
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:23,400
Speaker 1: it just makes her seem to me, just makes her

961
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:27,400
Speaker 1: seem very unreasonable and like illogical, and I'm just like,

962
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:31,320
Speaker 1: so that is what The way that she's characterized in

963
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:35,160
Speaker 1: that moment is what bothered me. But yeah, the movie,

964
01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:40,560
Speaker 1: my favorite woman was the cardboard one, and everyone talked

965
01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:45,120
Speaker 1: to her. It is true, including oh yeah, Vicente is like,

966
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:48,919
Speaker 1: don't worry my dead wife. I'm not going to cheat

967
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:55,200
Speaker 1: on you with cut out, cut out lady. She's kind

968
01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:58,040
Speaker 1: of the hottest lady in town. Everyone's literally in love

969
01:01:58,120 --> 01:02:02,720
Speaker 1: with her. Everyone loves her. I got that that scene

970
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:06,600
Speaker 1: the way that they because that's the only characterization Vicente gets.

971
01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:09,680
Speaker 1: Everyone gets like a sentence except for Dreano and Tim Allen,

972
01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:13,880
Speaker 1: who gets the rest of the movie, but Vicente, Like

973
01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:15,320
Speaker 1: it's the kind of scene where it's like, well, no

974
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:17,400
Speaker 1: one else is in here, and we need to know

975
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:21,240
Speaker 1: that Vicente is mourning his wife so that the sheriff

976
01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:24,560
Speaker 1: can guilt him about it later. And that's the only

977
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:27,560
Speaker 1: thing we ever learned about Vicente other than he's a

978
01:02:27,640 --> 01:02:32,800
Speaker 1: real sweetheart and gets Seth a toy. And also I

979
01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:35,480
Speaker 1: wrote down at some point I was like, hopefully Vicente

980
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:38,600
Speaker 1: is like keeping track of how much they are eating

981
01:02:38,680 --> 01:02:43,680
Speaker 1: and drinking the Sheriff's department. I'm glad he got thirty

982
01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:46,680
Speaker 1: two million dollars and that clearly rewritten ending. But um,

983
01:02:47,560 --> 01:02:50,360
Speaker 1: what about the three d dollars worth of bud Light

984
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:54,200
Speaker 1: lime they drink in the one hour they were in there? Right, Also,

985
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:56,120
Speaker 1: there's that scene where Carl comes in and he like

986
01:02:56,280 --> 01:02:58,320
Speaker 1: buys a bunch of stuff and then he just throws

987
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:01,440
Speaker 1: down maybe like seventies recents and he's like, that's all

988
01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:06,280
Speaker 1: I have. Yes, he's strong arm robs the sense. Yes,

989
01:03:06,680 --> 01:03:09,400
Speaker 1: add that to the list of corrupt cop things that

990
01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:13,200
Speaker 1: Carl does. One of my favorite scenes is when Tim

991
01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:18,280
Speaker 1: Allen is also. Also, the way the movie depicts alcoholism

992
01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:23,320
Speaker 1: is questionable. Anyway, the sent kind of sponsored it. No,

993
01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:26,520
Speaker 1: like we're gonna make a movie about alcoholism and just

994
01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:31,959
Speaker 1: have a bunch of con for various alcohol friends. That's great,

995
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:35,920
Speaker 1: that's yeah. Both of the like Vici din Afrio and

996
01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:41,280
Speaker 1: Tim Allen are both ruined by alcohol, but they're also like,

997
01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:43,680
Speaker 1: but they love this blud light, lie you want to

998
01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:48,560
Speaker 1: ruin your life? Have you considered bud light line? Bud

999
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:51,960
Speaker 1: It's the same logic of the drain o spawn, Like,

1000
01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:54,880
Speaker 1: it doesn't make any sense. Also, do you put draino

1001
01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:57,040
Speaker 1: down your toilet when it's clogged? I've I don't know

1002
01:03:57,120 --> 01:03:59,360
Speaker 1: if that's a thing anyway, right, I didn't think so

1003
01:03:59,480 --> 01:04:05,920
Speaker 1: it's for your sink? Is for the train train? That's

1004
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:11,120
Speaker 1: what I thought. Trainer is worthless? Yeah, I gotta I honestly,

1005
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:13,200
Speaker 1: I don't know why I assumed the movie was smarter

1006
01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:14,800
Speaker 1: than me in that moment where I was like, I

1007
01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:17,800
Speaker 1: guess you can use it for that too. Well, speaking

1008
01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:22,760
Speaker 1: of repairing things, Kate can fix the cooler in the store,

1009
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:25,360
Speaker 1: but Vicente can't. So a woman can fix it, a

1010
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:30,840
Speaker 1: man can't, And that's feminism anyway. One of my favorite

1011
01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:33,760
Speaker 1: lines of dialogue, or like exchanges of dialogue is when

1012
01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:36,960
Speaker 1: Vicente is talking to Tim Allen and he says, why

1013
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:39,960
Speaker 1: don't you find yourself a nice lady? You wouldn't need

1014
01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:43,520
Speaker 1: all this liquor, And Tim Allen says, this is how

1015
01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:46,120
Speaker 1: this works. I give you money, you give me booze.

1016
01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:53,400
Speaker 1: It's simple capitalism, and we're like incredible dialogue, perfect, so good,

1017
01:04:53,640 --> 01:04:57,240
Speaker 1: and then Vicente, keeping in being a sweetie pie, is like,

1018
01:04:57,400 --> 01:05:00,240
Speaker 1: all right, you can have a free six pack for

1019
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:04,400
Speaker 1: what for what you just yelled at me. There's so

1020
01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:07,160
Speaker 1: confusing the sentate. I mean, I think that, like, well,

1021
01:05:07,240 --> 01:05:09,920
Speaker 1: the Sente is the one of the only this is

1022
01:05:09,960 --> 01:05:12,480
Speaker 1: like a majority white cast, and I think it's like

1023
01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:16,200
Speaker 1: telling how non white cast members are treated. We don't

1024
01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:18,880
Speaker 1: even know what Jimmy O Young's name is. He certainly

1025
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:23,800
Speaker 1: has no arc. Jessica Alba does have an arc, but

1026
01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:25,760
Speaker 1: it's completely defined by the fact that she's about to

1027
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:29,360
Speaker 1: explode with Greg like so really not much for her

1028
01:05:29,600 --> 01:05:33,080
Speaker 1: as well. But I think Vicente especially we should talk

1029
01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:36,160
Speaker 1: about because he's the only I mean he is. I

1030
01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:39,280
Speaker 1: think that when when Karl dies, it's meant in the

1031
01:05:39,360 --> 01:05:41,240
Speaker 1: movie to be like and that is kind of his

1032
01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:45,440
Speaker 1: just desserts here. He he deserves it. Why we kill

1033
01:05:45,560 --> 01:05:47,960
Speaker 1: the Sente but then bring him back to life? I

1034
01:05:48,080 --> 01:05:49,840
Speaker 1: just did. I did not like it, but did not

1035
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:54,120
Speaker 1: like that they brutally killed Vicente. Could not make kids

1036
01:05:54,280 --> 01:05:57,960
Speaker 1: or tales of that. I think another I mean, another

1037
01:05:58,040 --> 01:06:03,800
Speaker 1: example of the movie be actually depicting police behavior is

1038
01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:07,720
Speaker 1: being very realistic is when Carl says something very racist

1039
01:06:07,880 --> 01:06:12,000
Speaker 1: to to Vicente, which is again like very par for

1040
01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:18,040
Speaker 1: the course for law enforcement overall, but the fact that

1041
01:06:18,120 --> 01:06:23,880
Speaker 1: we know very little about Vicente. He's pretty incidental to

1042
01:06:24,040 --> 01:06:29,560
Speaker 1: the story and then is brutally shot in that final shootout,

1043
01:06:30,320 --> 01:06:34,360
Speaker 1: but then comes back to life and meets a sexy

1044
01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:37,720
Speaker 1: lady on the beach for him. But I also feel

1045
01:06:37,720 --> 01:06:39,800
Speaker 1: like it's suggested that she only likes him after she

1046
01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:45,720
Speaker 1: learns that he's worth dollars. I'm not sure anyway justice

1047
01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:47,960
Speaker 1: for a Vicente and may make the joke about how

1048
01:06:48,040 --> 01:06:51,440
Speaker 1: many millions of dollars per times he was shot by

1049
01:06:52,120 --> 01:06:59,560
Speaker 1: a sheriff like that. The director of the movie, David

1050
01:06:59,600 --> 01:07:04,800
Speaker 1: Etel Albert, is a black filmmaker, which I was surprised

1051
01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:07,560
Speaker 1: to learn based on the way that characters of color

1052
01:07:08,440 --> 01:07:14,080
Speaker 1: are represented on screen. No kidding, did not know that. Yes,

1053
01:07:14,920 --> 01:07:18,120
Speaker 1: so I'll say I would recommend his other his subsequent

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01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:20,840
Speaker 1: Christmas movie, Jingle Jangle. I thought it was a delight.

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01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:24,400
Speaker 1: I still need to see it. It's good, but it's

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01:07:24,400 --> 01:07:29,280
Speaker 1: a good one. Um, yeah, I it's I I mean,

1057
01:07:29,560 --> 01:07:32,680
Speaker 1: someone needs to be held accountable for this movie's existence.

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01:07:33,680 --> 01:07:39,480
Speaker 1: It's very unclear to be like, I'm normally I'm very

1059
01:07:39,600 --> 01:07:42,600
Speaker 1: quick to blame the director, but in in this case,

1060
01:07:42,840 --> 01:07:46,240
Speaker 1: he is very clearly already like there's some sort of

1061
01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:49,560
Speaker 1: situation where he has to direct one Netflix Christmas movie

1062
01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:52,400
Speaker 1: a year or got him locked up at Netflix and

1063
01:07:52,480 --> 01:07:57,920
Speaker 1: they're you gotta do this opaganda Christmas film. So I'm

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01:07:58,000 --> 01:08:00,640
Speaker 1: curious that maybe how much he I'd be curious to

1065
01:08:00,720 --> 01:08:04,760
Speaker 1: know how much he wanted to direct this movie. And

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01:08:04,840 --> 01:08:08,200
Speaker 1: then it also seems like, I mean, Theodore Malfie, who

1067
01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:13,120
Speaker 1: is he's a white writer, even he had thoroughly backed

1068
01:08:13,160 --> 01:08:16,800
Speaker 1: off having written this because he wrote it ten years

1069
01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:20,400
Speaker 1: before it was ever produced, and then hopefully like read

1070
01:08:20,439 --> 01:08:24,439
Speaker 1: a fucking book at some point, and it sounded like

1071
01:08:24,479 --> 01:08:26,479
Speaker 1: by the time the movie was made even he like

1072
01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:30,040
Speaker 1: no longer stood by what he had written. It just

1073
01:08:30,240 --> 01:08:35,000
Speaker 1: seems like was anyone involved in this project voluntarily? I

1074
01:08:35,400 --> 01:08:38,439
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, I think Dak Shepherd was. I

1075
01:08:38,560 --> 01:08:41,599
Speaker 1: think I think Dak Shepherd. I mean, maybe maybe the cast.

1076
01:08:41,720 --> 01:08:44,439
Speaker 1: I don't know, but it just was very bizarre. Is

1077
01:08:44,479 --> 01:08:48,080
Speaker 1: also produced by Theodore Malfie's wife, like it was a

1078
01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:53,360
Speaker 1: whole family affair making this bad movie interesting. I couldn't

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01:08:53,479 --> 01:08:57,280
Speaker 1: find any information about it because well, obviously we I

1080
01:08:57,400 --> 01:09:02,760
Speaker 1: always begin my research on scholarly journal Wikipedia, and this

1081
01:09:03,200 --> 01:09:07,840
Speaker 1: movie has one of the sparsest Wikipedia entries I've ever seen,

1082
01:09:08,360 --> 01:09:10,120
Speaker 1: because it's like, no one did press around it. No

1083
01:09:10,160 --> 01:09:12,080
Speaker 1: one wanted to draw attention to the fact that this

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01:09:12,240 --> 01:09:14,560
Speaker 1: was released. People wanted to forget about it, but my

1085
01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:20,640
Speaker 1: Netflix algorithm wouldn't let it happen. Series is Neflix algorithm

1086
01:09:21,120 --> 01:09:25,560
Speaker 1: trounced this movie's determination to not exist. I mean, I

1087
01:09:25,640 --> 01:09:30,479
Speaker 1: guess it's like, I'm glad it's not popular, right again,

1088
01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:35,479
Speaker 1: never heard of it till we recorded this episode, um series.

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01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:39,000
Speaker 1: I guess I was interested in your final word on

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01:09:39,080 --> 01:09:41,640
Speaker 1: this in terms of, like, as someone who I know

1091
01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:46,120
Speaker 1: his consumed a lot of copaganda, it's in your algorithm.

1092
01:09:46,479 --> 01:09:51,240
Speaker 1: You can't escape. How does for its five trillion faults

1093
01:09:51,320 --> 01:09:55,200
Speaker 1: we just discussed, how does El Camino Christmas stack up

1094
01:09:55,320 --> 01:10:01,800
Speaker 1: against your average coppaganda, my average compagandor average Christmas copaganda?

1095
01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:06,400
Speaker 1: Because there is that sub genre. Please unpack that well.

1096
01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:09,360
Speaker 1: I mean, you got the Classic, you got die Hard,

1097
01:10:09,720 --> 01:10:13,479
Speaker 1: you got die Hard too. Al Camino Christmas isn't it there?

1098
01:10:13,560 --> 01:10:16,479
Speaker 1: I mean there are a lot of like feel good

1099
01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:21,800
Speaker 1: Christmas movies involving the police, which is a whole other conversation.

1100
01:10:22,520 --> 01:10:25,200
Speaker 1: I picked this one because it was recent. I incorrectly

1101
01:10:25,240 --> 01:10:28,240
Speaker 1: assumed that it took place in Los Angeles. Um, but

1102
01:10:28,360 --> 01:10:31,560
Speaker 1: it seems like, you know, I wasn't alone in that assumption,

1103
01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:34,639
Speaker 1: and the way it was sure it was shot in Burbank,

1104
01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:39,000
Speaker 1: it probably was. How does it stuck up? Man, I

1105
01:10:39,120 --> 01:10:43,200
Speaker 1: gotta say it's I like it because I don't like it.

1106
01:10:43,400 --> 01:10:48,040
Speaker 1: Let me rephrase that. I appreciate that there are moments

1107
01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:53,880
Speaker 1: where the police are portrayed in ways that are accurate

1108
01:10:54,040 --> 01:10:58,000
Speaker 1: to people that are interacting with the police and our

1109
01:10:58,120 --> 01:11:02,600
Speaker 1: representative of you know, a lot of people's experiences. What

1110
01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:06,400
Speaker 1: I did not like is that it didn't go anywhere

1111
01:11:06,720 --> 01:11:11,920
Speaker 1: with that, and those instances they attempted to laugh them

1112
01:11:11,960 --> 01:11:15,960
Speaker 1: off in a weird way, like the comment about the bullet.

1113
01:11:16,320 --> 01:11:18,720
Speaker 1: I think there was also a remark made about Eric

1114
01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:24,280
Speaker 1: being beaten up in custody, which is just why I

1115
01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:29,639
Speaker 1: don't know what that is supposed to serve. Hey, maybe

1116
01:11:29,720 --> 01:11:32,960
Speaker 1: there is a way to do comedy about the police

1117
01:11:33,040 --> 01:11:35,559
Speaker 1: where they are well, actually I know there is. I think,

1118
01:11:35,680 --> 01:11:37,880
Speaker 1: like what a lot of things that are happening on

1119
01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:42,640
Speaker 1: Reno I think are really smart and are possibly a

1120
01:11:42,720 --> 01:11:45,759
Speaker 1: good way to talk about the police in a comedic lens.

1121
01:11:46,040 --> 01:11:48,160
Speaker 1: I love that show, although I haven't seen it in

1122
01:11:48,240 --> 01:11:52,040
Speaker 1: a while, but I was a huge fan for a while. Yeah,

1123
01:11:52,120 --> 01:11:53,960
Speaker 1: from what I it's been a while too, but from

1124
01:11:54,040 --> 01:11:56,200
Speaker 1: what I remember, what I did like about that show

1125
01:11:56,320 --> 01:11:58,960
Speaker 1: is like, yes, this is how the police behave, and like,

1126
01:11:59,240 --> 01:12:01,320
Speaker 1: this is funny, we can laugh at it, but there

1127
01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:04,360
Speaker 1: are a lot of real things that play here. I

1128
01:12:04,479 --> 01:12:07,280
Speaker 1: feel like this was like attempting to do something like that,

1129
01:12:07,680 --> 01:12:16,120
Speaker 1: but Whift incredibly truly. Yeah, I was, I was. I was.

1130
01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:21,240
Speaker 1: Nothing about this movie was a pleasant surprise necessarily, but

1131
01:12:21,439 --> 01:12:26,240
Speaker 1: I was fully going into this with the I mean,

1132
01:12:26,320 --> 01:12:29,000
Speaker 1: even Tim Allen's involvement. I was just like, well, this

1133
01:12:29,160 --> 01:12:32,479
Speaker 1: is going to be explicitly pro cop all the way down.

1134
01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:36,000
Speaker 1: I was surprised that it even approached a criticism of

1135
01:12:36,120 --> 01:12:40,280
Speaker 1: the sheriff's office or or the idea of a sheriff. Again,

1136
01:12:40,520 --> 01:12:43,200
Speaker 1: it's like, because the movie is so poorly written, it's

1137
01:12:43,439 --> 01:12:47,160
Speaker 1: really hard to know how we're supposed to be feeling.

1138
01:12:47,360 --> 01:12:49,920
Speaker 1: But it did feel like there were a few flavors

1139
01:12:50,160 --> 01:12:54,760
Speaker 1: of corrupt sheriff presented poorly but presented where it's like

1140
01:12:55,120 --> 01:13:00,240
Speaker 1: Dak Shepherd is like an incompetent Carl is drinking and

1141
01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:04,960
Speaker 1: inciting violence and making false arrests, and then the dad

1142
01:13:05,040 --> 01:13:07,599
Speaker 1: from that seventies show is the one who's like setting

1143
01:13:07,640 --> 01:13:10,280
Speaker 1: those precedents of like you're not arresting enough people, and

1144
01:13:10,400 --> 01:13:13,120
Speaker 1: it is, you know, And so it was like a

1145
01:13:13,240 --> 01:13:16,160
Speaker 1: lot of it seems like, as far as I know

1146
01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:19,800
Speaker 1: from listening to and interacting with your work series like

1147
01:13:20,360 --> 01:13:24,280
Speaker 1: classically shareff fee things to do. But yeah, but it

1148
01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:27,000
Speaker 1: like goes nowhere and we still are supposed to like

1149
01:13:27,120 --> 01:13:29,000
Speaker 1: them enough at the end that you want to see

1150
01:13:29,120 --> 01:13:33,560
Speaker 1: him go to a hypnotherapist and stop smoking. So not successful.

1151
01:13:33,760 --> 01:13:38,320
Speaker 1: What I think it is is what little criticism there

1152
01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:43,280
Speaker 1: is about a sheriff's department is mostly directed at Carl,

1153
01:13:44,160 --> 01:13:47,200
Speaker 1: and he does seem to be the most corrupt one,

1154
01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:51,320
Speaker 1: but he's the baddest apple exactly. The messages like, well

1155
01:13:51,400 --> 01:13:54,479
Speaker 1: there's one bad apple, so you know, you can't let

1156
01:13:54,560 --> 01:13:58,920
Speaker 1: it spoil the bunch. But but the movie is like, well, yeah,

1157
01:13:59,439 --> 01:14:04,200
Speaker 1: Dax Chef Bird's character is incompetent, but you see him improving,

1158
01:14:04,400 --> 01:14:07,479
Speaker 1: he's getting better at police work because he's like, yeah,

1159
01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:11,639
Speaker 1: I ran the license plates and then and then Sheriff

1160
01:14:11,720 --> 01:14:15,840
Speaker 1: Bob is like, wow, good job, buddy, great cop work.

1161
01:14:16,720 --> 01:14:18,800
Speaker 1: Like that's like cutting to the end of a movie

1162
01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:21,360
Speaker 1: about a chef and then he's like, look, I turned

1163
01:14:21,439 --> 01:14:26,560
Speaker 1: the heat on. And they're like, hey, that's good decks,

1164
01:14:26,840 --> 01:14:30,400
Speaker 1: good job, you get to keep your job. It's a

1165
01:14:30,479 --> 01:14:35,000
Speaker 1: mess um. But does the movie pass the Bechdel test?

1166
01:14:35,880 --> 01:14:40,719
Speaker 1: I actually it doesn't, think it does it? Does it does? Okay?

1167
01:14:41,160 --> 01:14:43,080
Speaker 1: Is it with horny mom? There are a few scenes

1168
01:14:43,120 --> 01:14:45,640
Speaker 1: between Kate and her mom, whose first name we never know,

1169
01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:49,360
Speaker 1: but I feel like she's a oh okay, okay. So

1170
01:14:49,600 --> 01:14:53,880
Speaker 1: she They have several conversations about, you know, the mom

1171
01:14:53,960 --> 01:14:56,280
Speaker 1: going on a date with a man and oh, mom,

1172
01:14:56,360 --> 01:14:58,560
Speaker 1: I need you to watch my son. But there is

1173
01:14:58,600 --> 01:15:02,280
Speaker 1: a brief exchange where her mom was like, hey, you

1174
01:15:02,320 --> 01:15:04,960
Speaker 1: should ask for a raise. If you want something, you

1175
01:15:05,040 --> 01:15:07,280
Speaker 1: got a growl for it. And then Kate says, I'm

1176
01:15:07,320 --> 01:15:10,160
Speaker 1: waiting for the day you tell me I'm adopted, and

1177
01:15:10,240 --> 01:15:14,160
Speaker 1: then her mom says, you just keep on waiting. Wait.

1178
01:15:14,240 --> 01:15:16,800
Speaker 1: But does that pass because she works for a man?

1179
01:15:17,920 --> 01:15:22,439
Speaker 1: I mean there is some subtext that you could argue

1180
01:15:22,520 --> 01:15:26,240
Speaker 1: maybe it doesn't, but he's not explicitly I guess the

1181
01:15:26,400 --> 01:15:29,719
Speaker 1: spirit of that do Like, I mean, look, the point

1182
01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:32,800
Speaker 1: is and this is a fun place to to just

1183
01:15:32,960 --> 01:15:35,759
Speaker 1: remind our listeners as we have to every so often.

1184
01:15:36,400 --> 01:15:40,800
Speaker 1: Although the film twitter Um Gestapo will never will never

1185
01:15:41,120 --> 01:15:44,000
Speaker 1: listen to this part. But a movie passing the Bechtel

1186
01:15:44,040 --> 01:15:50,280
Speaker 1: test doesn't really mean that much. It's really not that important,

1187
01:15:51,120 --> 01:15:53,479
Speaker 1: and the movie cannot pass the Bechtel test and it

1188
01:15:53,560 --> 01:15:58,120
Speaker 1: doesn't make it bad necessarily. It's just a basic metric

1189
01:15:58,200 --> 01:16:01,720
Speaker 1: to get a discussion started of Hey, if this is

1190
01:16:01,760 --> 01:16:04,479
Speaker 1: a whole movie and women never speak to each other,

1191
01:16:05,160 --> 01:16:08,639
Speaker 1: that feels weird, like that's why the comic was written.

1192
01:16:09,560 --> 01:16:11,920
Speaker 1: But but that said, I take you back everything I said.

1193
01:16:12,040 --> 01:16:15,920
Speaker 1: This is a feminist classic. I agree with the whole thing.

1194
01:16:16,080 --> 01:16:20,000
Speaker 1: Hey fixes a cooler Yeah. And also I will say

1195
01:16:20,120 --> 01:16:24,040
Speaker 1: my my favorite part it like knocked this this memory

1196
01:16:24,160 --> 01:16:28,080
Speaker 1: loose where when drain No like he tries to do

1197
01:16:28,200 --> 01:16:32,000
Speaker 1: like a little flirty gesture by paying for like their

1198
01:16:32,080 --> 01:16:35,840
Speaker 1: breakfast at the local diner, and it brought me back

1199
01:16:36,040 --> 01:16:38,200
Speaker 1: to this memory I have of being at an eye

1200
01:16:38,280 --> 01:16:44,040
Speaker 1: hop in Boston in where I was eating dinner with

1201
01:16:44,120 --> 01:16:48,760
Speaker 1: my friend after work and someone an admirer I never

1202
01:16:48,880 --> 01:16:51,960
Speaker 1: learned who it was, sent a single over easy egg

1203
01:16:52,280 --> 01:16:56,840
Speaker 1: over to the table, and I think about it all

1204
01:16:57,000 --> 01:17:00,599
Speaker 1: the time. I was like, was that my husband? Her wife?

1205
01:17:00,720 --> 01:17:04,200
Speaker 1: Like who was that? Who did that? And why a

1206
01:17:04,479 --> 01:17:09,320
Speaker 1: single egg? That is some nutty ship it was. But

1207
01:17:09,760 --> 01:17:12,920
Speaker 1: I found it. The twisted part for me is I

1208
01:17:13,000 --> 01:17:17,120
Speaker 1: found it so romantic. I was like, really, I thought

1209
01:17:17,160 --> 01:17:19,200
Speaker 1: it was kind of hot that someone did you are

1210
01:17:19,280 --> 01:17:23,160
Speaker 1: the hot dog girl. I don't know. I think it's

1211
01:17:23,200 --> 01:17:25,760
Speaker 1: the horny ist egg and over easy egg goes like wow,

1212
01:17:25,880 --> 01:17:30,160
Speaker 1: the egg that comes like, it's just it really made

1213
01:17:30,200 --> 01:17:33,400
Speaker 1: me think. And so when drain No did that, I

1214
01:17:33,479 --> 01:17:35,840
Speaker 1: was like, damn, maybe it was drain Now, maybe it

1215
01:17:37,439 --> 01:17:40,280
Speaker 1: Mr Egg. If you're listening, send another. Jamie loved it.

1216
01:17:40,400 --> 01:17:45,240
Speaker 1: If you're listening, please do not contact me. Leave us alone.

1217
01:17:45,640 --> 01:17:49,400
Speaker 1: I don't want to hear from you. Alright, alright, well

1218
01:17:49,640 --> 01:17:51,840
Speaker 1: it's time for our nipple scale, in which we rate

1219
01:17:51,960 --> 01:17:54,240
Speaker 1: the movie on a scale of zero to five nipples

1220
01:17:54,320 --> 01:17:58,599
Speaker 1: based on looking at the movie through an intersectional feminist lens.

1221
01:17:59,400 --> 01:18:03,640
Speaker 1: I would give it a half nipple for generous. I know,

1222
01:18:04,720 --> 01:18:09,479
Speaker 1: for the as we've discussed, not well executed, attempts to

1223
01:18:10,160 --> 01:18:15,240
Speaker 1: provide some kind of meaningful critique on corruption and incompetence

1224
01:18:15,360 --> 01:18:18,360
Speaker 1: in a sheriff's department. But it does try a little bit,

1225
01:18:18,920 --> 01:18:21,519
Speaker 1: which was more than I was expecting. But again it

1226
01:18:21,600 --> 01:18:27,600
Speaker 1: doesn't land. The criticism is flimsy, everything else about the

1227
01:18:27,640 --> 01:18:33,880
Speaker 1: movie being extremely ablest, the way people of color are

1228
01:18:34,720 --> 01:18:37,920
Speaker 1: characterized in the movie, the way the women are characterized

1229
01:18:37,920 --> 01:18:42,800
Speaker 1: in the movie. It's just all extremely lazy and horribly written. Again,

1230
01:18:43,040 --> 01:18:45,680
Speaker 1: one of the worst movies I've ever seen. Um, I'll

1231
01:18:45,720 --> 01:18:48,479
Speaker 1: take it down to a quarter nipple because I just

1232
01:18:48,640 --> 01:18:53,479
Speaker 1: want to give something to Vicente, justice for Vicente. But

1233
01:18:53,600 --> 01:18:57,240
Speaker 1: that's it, I guess, like with that framing, Yeah, I

1234
01:18:57,280 --> 01:19:00,080
Speaker 1: guess given the quality and cast of this movie the

1235
01:19:00,200 --> 01:19:04,439
Speaker 1: I fully expected this movie to be thoroughly pro sheriff

1236
01:19:05,200 --> 01:19:09,599
Speaker 1: and so introducing even the remotest criticism, I guess exceeded

1237
01:19:09,640 --> 01:19:11,600
Speaker 1: my expectations. I do still feel like I have to

1238
01:19:11,640 --> 01:19:14,880
Speaker 1: give it no nipples though, because it's so bad. But

1239
01:19:15,439 --> 01:19:18,400
Speaker 1: I guess as an asterisk to that, I think it

1240
01:19:19,439 --> 01:19:24,320
Speaker 1: intentionally or not, did show like you're saying, showed some

1241
01:19:24,920 --> 01:19:29,400
Speaker 1: actual sheriff behavior, but didn't really go so far as

1242
01:19:29,439 --> 01:19:32,360
Speaker 1: to be actually critical of it in a way that

1243
01:19:32,479 --> 01:19:37,000
Speaker 1: was cogent um so and as far as representing that

1244
01:19:37,760 --> 01:19:41,200
Speaker 1: any marginalized person that was horrible. I guess if I

1245
01:19:41,320 --> 01:19:43,799
Speaker 1: had nipples, I would give it to the pop tarts,

1246
01:19:44,680 --> 01:19:49,760
Speaker 1: but I don't have any to distribute, so it's going

1247
01:19:49,800 --> 01:19:53,320
Speaker 1: to be nothing for no one hey listeners. So normally

1248
01:19:53,439 --> 01:19:56,519
Speaker 1: we would have our guests also give their rating right

1249
01:19:56,600 --> 01:19:59,880
Speaker 1: about now, but there were some technical issues and our

1250
01:20:00,160 --> 01:20:03,120
Speaker 1: s s audio dropped out. From this point on, UM,

1251
01:20:03,240 --> 01:20:06,800
Speaker 1: I think Sires gave the movie somewhere between zero and

1252
01:20:06,920 --> 01:20:10,840
Speaker 1: one nipple. But more importantly, we want you to check

1253
01:20:10,880 --> 01:20:15,559
Speaker 1: out Sires's podcast, A Tradition of Violence that examines deputy

1254
01:20:15,640 --> 01:20:19,880
Speaker 1: gangs and their violence and corruption all happening within the

1255
01:20:20,160 --> 01:20:23,519
Speaker 1: l A County Sheriff's Department. UM, So please check this

1256
01:20:23,640 --> 01:20:27,120
Speaker 1: podcast out. You can also read Serisa's series A Tradition

1257
01:20:27,160 --> 01:20:31,840
Speaker 1: of Violence published in Knock l A. Sires has done

1258
01:20:31,920 --> 01:20:34,760
Speaker 1: and it continues to do, an incredible job reporting on

1259
01:20:35,439 --> 01:20:40,599
Speaker 1: this topic. So please check out A Tradition of Violence

1260
01:20:41,760 --> 01:20:44,760
Speaker 1: And then for us, you can catch us in all

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Speaker 1: kind of the normal places Twitter for as long as

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Speaker 1: it exists on Instagram. At Bechdel Cast, we have some

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Speaker 1: tour announcements that will be out by the time you

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Speaker 1: hear this episode, so we'll probably record something separately for

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Speaker 1: that we can take it to the shows. You can

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Speaker 1: follow our Patreon a Matreon five bucks a month get

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Speaker 1: to you two additional episodes a month, and this month,

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Speaker 1: we are of course doing the Lindsay Lohan Christmas movie,

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Speaker 1: which I have seen some of the green screening in

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Speaker 1: and it is um. I can't wait. I can't wait,

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Speaker 1: I cannot wait. I think she any the lead actor

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Speaker 1: are possibly filming from different states, um, and certainly nowhere

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Speaker 1: near snow. I can't wait. I'm so excited. So scoot

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Speaker 1: on over to the Matreon for that. At patreon dot

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Speaker 1: com slash spectel Cast. You can also go to the

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Speaker 1: public dot com slash the bectel Cast for all of

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Speaker 1: your merch needs. It's the holiday season, it's it's time

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Speaker 1: for gift giving, etcetera. You don't know what to give

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Speaker 1: your loved ones as a gift. What about a podcast

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Speaker 1: they've never listened to? Could be interesting? Uh? Or if

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Speaker 1: you're like, hey, loved one, you're not sure what to

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Speaker 1: get me, Well, hint, hint, the Bechtel Cast sells merch

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Speaker 1: you out, just some ideas. We won't know if you don't,

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Speaker 1: so I don't worry about it, don't don't lose any

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Speaker 1: sleep over it. And here's me Caitlin again, jumping in

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Speaker 1: with just a reminder about those tour details. We're doing

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Speaker 1: shows in l A, San Francisco, Portland and Seattle in

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Speaker 1: late January early February. The ticket links, the exact dates

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Speaker 1: and venues and movies and all of those details that

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Speaker 1: can all be found on our link tree which is

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Speaker 1: link tr dot e slash becktel Cast, and you can

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Speaker 1: check our Twitter and Instagram for those details as well.

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Speaker 1: We helped to see you there, Thank you for listening,

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Speaker 1: and catch you next episode.