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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 1: production of I Heart Brading. Hello, welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They called

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Speaker 1: me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer

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Speaker 1: likes his code named Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you

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Speaker 1: are you, You are here, and that makes this stuff

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Speaker 1: they don't want you to know. Let's start in January

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Speaker 1: of nineteen sixty one, although this isn't really where our

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Speaker 1: story begins. On January sev sixty one, an outgoing US

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Speaker 1: president named Dwight D. Eisenhower spoke to the American nation

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Speaker 1: in his farewell addressed now as history bus. No. Eisenhower

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Speaker 1: was a military guy. He wasn't a diplomat. He wasn't

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Speaker 1: He was pretty blunt in his speech that day, and

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Speaker 1: he issued the following warning, and the councils of government,

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Speaker 1: we must car guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence

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Speaker 1: whether sought or unsought by the military industrial complex. So

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Speaker 1: we've heard that phrase that phreeze has come up in

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Speaker 1: our show pretty often before, right, guys, the military industrial complex.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's a bit of a buzz phrase at

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Speaker 1: this point in history. I would say, yeah, and it

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Speaker 1: means a great number of things. And to have Dwight D. Eisenhower,

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Speaker 1: would go on to become infamous and tremendously impactful, especially

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Speaker 1: the truth behind the thirty fourth president's words. Because for

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Speaker 1: a long time, you know, the heads of business and

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Speaker 1: the heads of politics and the heads of the military

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Speaker 1: what went on in the halls of Washington. Especially fun

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Speaker 1: fact that speech is edited, and I don't know if

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Speaker 1: everybody knows that Eisenhower had kind of a shaky relationship

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Speaker 1: military industrial congressional complex doesn't have the same ring to it.

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Speaker 1: We can just add a tiny bit to that, right,

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Speaker 1: just to discuss how the constituents of a senator or

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Speaker 1: Because I mean, is it said and as a negative

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Speaker 1: But but either way, we're not here to talk about

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Speaker 1: the military industrial complex today. We have plenty of episodes

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Speaker 1: that mentioned aspects of it, please check them out. Instead,

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Speaker 1: we're talking about another similar phenomenon that you have definitely seen,

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Speaker 1: is about something called the Military Entertainment Complex. Uh, here

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Speaker 1: a long time, it's been common for the armed forces

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Speaker 1: There are five types of semiotic relationships, right, we all

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Speaker 1: So of course it makes sense, And this is not

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Speaker 1: sucks or whatever, and you gave them billions of dollars

428
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Speaker 1: worth of equipment, Like, of course you're not going to

429
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 1: do that. That makes sense to me. Yeah, And it's like,

430
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 1: you know, we've worked in spaces called like branded content

431
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:54,920
Speaker 1: for example, where say you're working very closely with a

432
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 1: brand to make a show or a movie or something

433
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:00,720
Speaker 1: and it's sort of an advertisement to sky as as

434
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 1: pop culture or as cinema or as a podcast or whatever.

435
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:06,920
Speaker 1: When you work directly with those folks, they are very

436
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 1: protective of how that brand is portrayed. Um And and

437
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:14,680
Speaker 1: this is no different. There's another thing here. It's not

438
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 1: like the military is getting a profit as in points

439
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 1: on the how well the film does right, like points

440
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:28,200
Speaker 1: on whatever the film takes in right. It's not like

441
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:29,880
Speaker 1: the military is getting that kind of deal, at least

442
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,200
Speaker 1: I'm unaware of it. If they are getting some kind

443
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 1: of thing like that, and I don't know how you'd

444
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 1: handle that when it comes to what it would be

445
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 1: a donation to a branch of the military or something.

446
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 1: I don't know, but what what What they are getting

447
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 1: many times is something called like a final look or

448
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 1: um they get, you know, they get say on the

449
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:53,639
Speaker 1: final cut essentially where like that's what we're talking about.

450
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 1: They'll be in the room with the editors and the

451
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 1: director and they'll be able to say, well, you know,

452
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 1: you cannot you cannot do that. You cannot make that

453
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:05,920
Speaker 1: choice and show that because it would make us look bad.

454
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 1: It sounds like a devil's bargain. Though from a creative standpoint,

455
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 1: doesn't it like it would be a nightmare to be

456
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 1: that editor with that military las on over your shoulder saying,

457
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 1: I guess it's worth its weight in tanks. Though huh,

458
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,880
Speaker 1: I mean, yes, there is definitely a trade off here

459
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 1: as there are in all sorts of mutual symbiotic relationships,

460
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,879
Speaker 1: which again is what this is. But I think it

461
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:34,959
Speaker 1: occurs in phases. So you've got the script writing idea, right,

462
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 1: you want military approval. How do you get military approval? Well,

463
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 1: first they want to know what the story is, So

464
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,919
Speaker 1: is that a synopsis with someone they've worked with before?

465
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 1: Like I think a um a first time film in

466
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 1: a franchise or a first time director probably has more

467
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 1: scrutiny on them than say like Michael Bay coming in

468
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 1: and saying I want to make Transformers six. They love

469
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 1: Michael Bay. Yeah, then they'll be like, oh, it's Mike.

470
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 1: This is yeah, we know this guy. We know we

471
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 1: pretty much and this is not a ding on Transformers films,

472
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 1: but we pretty much know how the plots are going

473
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 1: to go, right, so we don't have to get a

474
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 1: lot of scrutiny. We also know he's gonna play ball.

475
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:14,920
Speaker 1: You know, he's not gonna like die on the hill

476
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 1: of No, we must show this unflattering moment with the

477
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 1: commanding officer. It's not really on the table with the

478
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,880
Speaker 1: Michael Bay picture, right, He's not gonna shamal on them

479
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 1: or anything, but this this all, there's another thing that

480
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,440
Speaker 1: happens here and I think it's it's something that it

481
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 1: will something other critics have brought up, and it's something

482
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 1: that we have to take some time to unpack. This

483
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 1: provides a potential workaround two other um, other types of

484
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 1: recruitment that might be legally or ethically or morally sticky

485
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 1: when we when it comes to children. Right, So the

486
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 1: military in this country is with you in some aspect

487
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 1: for a lot of your life, especially if you are

488
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 1: a young man. Right. Uh, this this think of g

489
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 1: I Joe's right. I mean the days of lead soldiers

490
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 1: were famous. Like this happens in other militaries across the

491
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 1: world too. It's weird for it not to happen. It's

492
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 1: probably the best way to put it. And the films,

493
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,959
Speaker 1: especially as we're such a media driven culture, the films

494
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 1: can function as recruitment ads. You know, anyone over in

495
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 1: anyone who is like thirteen or older can watch a

496
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 1: PG movie. Right. You can't go into the recruitment office

497
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 1: legally and sign up for the military, but they can

498
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 1: be sending messaging to you, perhaps even the kinds of

499
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 1: implications where they'll come up later about the benefits of

500
00:29:55,520 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 1: joining up, the responsibility and the nobility of it just

501
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 1: by you know, in a way that you don't consciously understand.

502
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 1: And that's that's where it gets dangerous. And also, of

503
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 1: course we need to say this, the Armed Services are

504
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 1: tremendously important. Uh, they do a lot of good work.

505
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 1: And this should not be taken as a ding on

506
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 1: the people or the groups involved here maybe as maybe

507
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 1: as a little bit of ding on a Hollywood They

508
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 1: got their own problems. This is this is functionally like like,

509
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 1: it's easy if you're a kid in the US. It's

510
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 1: easy for you to be nine years old, especially now

511
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 1: when so many children are growing up native to the

512
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 1: Internet and already inundated with information. It's easy to be

513
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 1: like nine years old see a straight up propaganda film

514
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 1: from World War Two and think, jeez, that's weird and

515
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 1: in no small ways it kind of uncomfortably racist. I'm

516
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 1: not on board with this. But then that same nine

517
00:30:55,760 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 1: year old might see, um, might see a film that

518
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 1: does some of the stuff we're describing, and to them

519
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 1: that's just super cool, right, Oh yeah, exactly. And And

520
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 1: like we mentioned at the top of the show, it

521
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 1: does start to enter into the realm of light. Propaganda,

522
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 1: which we know is a powerful thing. Uh. Griffith's Stephanie

523
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 1: Stockwell and Adam Muir had this to say about it, quote,

524
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 1: the military have always found a use for entertainment. Recruiting

525
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 1: songs and marching songs prepared the soldier's mind to override

526
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 1: the self preservation mechanism in the heat of battle. Propaganda

527
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 1: has always been best served as entertainment. Uh yeah, even right.

528
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 1: It's even things like marching songs, which which in the

529
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 1: early days of the military were a very functional thing

530
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 1: that allowed the military to communicate with different battalions and

531
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 1: different groups. But it also they were very patriotic and

532
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 1: they instilled people on the battlefield with this like something

533
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 1: greater than myself kind of vibe. And when they really

534
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: brought into it, it made them better soldiers and made them,

535
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 1: you know, borderline unstoppable. Well, I mean stoppable by like

536
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 1: bullets and stuff. But in their minds they were willing to,

537
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 1: you know, go over the top, right, because you're part

538
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 1: of something bigger than yourself. I mean, I don't know

539
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 1: if this happens to everybody, but in my past it

540
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 1: was it was normal for people to have instead of

541
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 1: lullabies that were sung to them, you were hearing marching songs,

542
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 1: you know, one, two, three, four and so on, which

543
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of people. But the lyrics

544
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 1: also have an age very well. So we're not gonna

545
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 1: we're not gonna put those out in the ether today.

546
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 1: But but you're right. So the question then, is is

547
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 1: this a viable and effective recruitment tool. The answer to

548
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 1: that is yes, probably, even if it's even if it's

549
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 1: a little difficult to measure the performance, we know it

550
00:32:54,480 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 1: works because it continues to be employed. However, the next

551
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 1: question is is it ethical? Is it propaganda? Is propaganda

552
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 1: always bad? The the thing is the from Griffith University,

553
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 1: Stockwell and you're the most important thing they say in

554
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 1: that quote. In my mind is that prop is what

555
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 1: you just said. No, propaganda has always been best served

556
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 1: as entertainment. People don't like to be lectured, right, People

557
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 1: often hate learning stuff. People want to be entertained. So

558
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 1: a preachy, stuffy lecture about the importance of military activity,

559
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 1: even if it's Dwight Eye is an hour coming back

560
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 1: and doing a whole one eight and saying we need

561
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 1: this stuff around it can come off as like this

562
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 1: boring political screed, but a movie with kick ass explosions

563
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 1: and fight scenes and like um model level attractive people,

564
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 1: or a gut busting comedy or an odd couple, will

565
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 1: they won't they? Romance with a human interest story that's

566
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 1: just like pull in at your heart strings left and right,

567
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 1: that impacts your mind in deep, abiding ways that you

568
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 1: are not fully conscious of. The association game is so

569
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:12,439
Speaker 1: so strong. Well, and look what the military models. They're

570
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:16,839
Speaker 1: actual proper ad campaigns after things like Army of One,

571
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 1: you know it very much, look like a video game,

572
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 1: look like you're playing a video game. They're like checking

573
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 1: these boxes of these pop culture depictions of the military

574
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 1: in cinema and television and video games and selling it

575
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 1: to you that way, selling you that image of military service.

576
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 1: Well and and then just put into it the psychology

577
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:37,919
Speaker 1: that takes us to the theater in the first place,

578
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 1: or gets us to turn on Netflix or Prime or

579
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 1: whatever our desire to identify with some character. Right, and

580
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 1: if that character, the protagonist, whoever we're identifying with, is

581
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 1: you know, a military military personnel or thinking about joining

582
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:57,360
Speaker 1: the military, or a veteran of some kind, like and

583
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 1: we place ourselves as the viewers, the list or whoever,

584
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 1: whatever medium it is, and we can we can see

585
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 1: ourselves in that role. That can also provide something for

586
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:11,840
Speaker 1: the military. Oh sure, it's in everyman argument, right, that

587
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 1: thing I see on the screen I identify with. That's me,

588
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 1: aren't I? Heroic? Says the says the audience member. And

589
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:24,839
Speaker 1: there's then then there's a cathartic aspect to watching that victory, right,

590
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 1: And it's something that you will recall later when you

591
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 1: are in the situation yourself. And then we see this

592
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 1: other pattern. So I mentioned this earlier, but I didn't

593
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 1: mention it as a question. I should phrase it as

594
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 1: a question, why does Hollywood seem to go through phases

595
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 1: of depicting certain enemies? And Hollywood even isn't that accurate?

596
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,320
Speaker 1: We should say why does the zeitgeist go through these phases?

597
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 1: Because it happens in video games too, Like take like

598
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 1: the perennial bad guy in a Western war film is

599
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 1: going to be the Nazis. Also Indiana Jones in the

600
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 1: Last Crusade, another d D production. Uh, this this question

601
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 1: is easily answered with Nazis. First, they're easy to use

602
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: because everybody can agree they were monstrous and they did

603
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:19,360
Speaker 1: monstrous things. But also second, they are extinct as a

604
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 1: state level organization. There is no way for them to

605
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 1: to like object to their characterization, even if that characterization

606
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 1: is like inaccurate. And when I say inaccurate, I'm not

607
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 1: being a Nazi apologist. I'm talking about like the schlocky

608
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 1: horror films where they say, you know, secretly the Nazis

609
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 1: were really using this ancient evil from this well and

610
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:46,360
Speaker 1: Bavaria turning people into zombie beetles or whatever the plot

611
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 1: of those things might be. That's actually the plot of

612
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,359
Speaker 1: several I think that just sort of smooshed together. Uh,

613
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 1: but you know the characters becomes a walrus for some reason,

614
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,839
Speaker 1: right right, Well, that was an integral moment in the plot.

615
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 1: It's a a S. S. Walrus. It's also like one

616
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 1: of the only ones that still works and isn't like

617
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 1: a bad look. I mean, look at Disney military propaganda

618
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,959
Speaker 1: cartoons that had like, you know, Asians depicted in really

619
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: really offensive, terrible ways. Those do not age well and

620
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 1: essentially disavowed by you know, the Disney Company unless you

621
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 1: go to the Disney Family Museum, which is run by

622
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 1: the Trust of of the Walt Disney family. But Nazis

623
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 1: are still kind of fair game. Yeah, you know. The

624
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 1: thing that's important to notice here is that we're saying

625
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:35,879
Speaker 1: Western war films, like if you look at North Korean propaganda,

626
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 1: can you take a wild guess at who plays the

627
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 1: role of the Nazis there? Yeah, it's it's Uncle Sam.

628
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 1: It's it's very very weird. And the story of the

629
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 1: guys who acted as the troops in those films is

630
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 1: also very weird. Um, please do check it out if

631
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 1: you have an interest. We saw the Soviet army start

632
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 1: playing the US role in times of growing international tension

633
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:08,320
Speaker 1: during the Cold War. Right now, now Nazis or old beings,

634
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 1: but the real antagonists are the Soviets. And you know

635
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 1: who's gonna save us in the third act, that's right,

636
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 1: the US military. So it's kind of or just capitalism

637
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 1: in general, or just capitalism general. Just the monopoly man

638
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 1: comes through and this time he's packing. Right. But but this, um,

639
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 1: what's interesting about this is, you know, Joseph Campbell would

640
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Speaker 1: argue that most stories are the same story, you know

641
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Speaker 1: what I mean, Like, the concept of story is kind

642
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 1: of like the concept of ordering pizza. You get different

643
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 1: toppings on it, but you're still eating pizza. Um. I

644
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,800
Speaker 1: don't know, Joseph Campbell, I don't know a stance on pizza.

645
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:53,320
Speaker 1: But but you's gonna makeup like a different ingredients in

646
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 1: a soup. There we no, no, yes. Soup makes more

647
00:38:56,719 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 1: sense that on so many levels, on like the timeline,

648
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 1: it makes sense, the nominative determinism. Yeah, you nailed it. Okay,

649
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 1: strike that pizza thing. Soup we're working live. Uh, it's

650
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 1: still soup. Is the point. So what you see when

651
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 1: you see a lot of these war films, and anybody

652
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 1: who's familiar with story structure, like a reader of Save

653
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 1: the Cat or he wrote A Thousand Faces, you know

654
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 1: this in film as well as uh. In many world traditions,

655
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 1: the story has a lot of the same beats. You

656
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: just have different people or entities slotted in. So it's

657
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 1: not hard. It's not difficult to slot, especially in work

658
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 1: of fiction, to slot in a different thing. That's why

659
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 1: you'll see in the days of the War on Terror,

660
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 1: various terrorist organizations filled this role. People are no longer

661
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 1: fighting uh Nazis in the Middle East. Now they are

662
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 1: fighting UM. Now they're fighting things like Isis right and

663
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 1: in again in these works of fiction. The argument here

664
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 1: this applies to real life, video game, music, other media.

665
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 1: But the argument here is are these productions following real

666
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:13,760
Speaker 1: world events? Are they mirroring and responding to real world events?

667
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 1: Or are they in some way priming the pump? Are

668
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 1: they pushing these events? It's a questionable tackle. After a

669
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Speaker 1: word from our sponsor, we've returned. But before you jump in,

670
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Speaker 1: I just the last thing that you said before he

671
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 1: went to a break, applying it to video games and

672
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 1: all this other media, talking about the various enemies. I

673
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 1: was thinking about the Call of Duty franchise and how

674
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:48,439
Speaker 1: it began with World War Two with the Nazis. Then

675
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 1: you can watch it jump forward to the Cold War,

676
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 1: you can watch it jump to terrorists. You could watch it.

677
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 1: It's so interesting the way it kind of goes. It

678
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 1: jumps around to like three enemies. Basically, it's either Russians

679
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 1: of some sort, Soviets of some sort, Nazis, and terrorists

680
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 1: of some sort of of a Middle Eastern country somewhere.

681
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:14,839
Speaker 1: That's just how it always functions. Those are the three.

682
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 1: Those are the three. It's the Holy Trinity. Huh. I

683
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 1: forget about zombies. And zombie well, zombies like towards the

684
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 1: end right usually well, yeah, and some of them. I

685
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 1: think our nazis correct me if I'm wrong on that,

686
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 1: but I think they are. Well, this is this is uh.

687
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 1: This leads us to the next question, which is maybe

688
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:37,840
Speaker 1: a sensitive topic for some of us in the audience.

689
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 1: Today we talked about the power of propaganda write a

690
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:44,320
Speaker 1: clear motivator for this practice, But what about the problem

691
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 1: of recruitment, Because in a way, the military entertainment complex

692
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:52,320
Speaker 1: is meant to solve this problem. Any experience commander is

693
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 1: going to tell you that a military force can only

694
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 1: be as good as the individuals in it all they

695
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 1: as good as its soldiers. And every military in the

696
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 1: world that does not have an active conscription kind of

697
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 1: policy or law spends a huge amount of time and

698
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 1: money figuring out how to recruit people, overwhelmingly historically young

699
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 1: men into their ranks, Like how do we how do

700
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 1: we convince you that it is your duty and indeed

701
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 1: your honor and your opportunity two possibly die for people

702
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 1: who in future generations may not appreciate your sacrifice, Like

703
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 1: this is this is a this is a rest of

704
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,840
Speaker 1: your life kind of situation. This is a career, This

705
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 1: is a calling, this is a duty. I accidentally reinvented

706
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 1: the name call of duty, and I am so sorry,

707
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:49,319
Speaker 1: but I didn't mean to. But but you know, it's

708
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 1: a question you have to have because you have to.

709
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 1: You have to be recruiting people. People are aging out

710
00:42:54,520 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 1: of militaries right, People are maybe experiencing injuries that make

711
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 1: it such that they can no longer serve, even if

712
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 1: they wish to. So you have to find new people.

713
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 1: And it turns out that a blockbuster film can be

714
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:13,800
Speaker 1: a tremendously successful recruitment tool. Like imagine, Okay, this is

715
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 1: an example. We'll just make up. So you're a kid.

716
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 1: You're watching one of those World War two era films?

717
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 1: What are good World War two era films? There's a

718
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 1: thin red line, right, Um? Banda brothers? What's that other one?

719
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 1: There's another one? Band of brothers is like a special

720
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:35,320
Speaker 1: right band of brothers has It's an HBO bunch of

721
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 1: different movies, is it not? Uh? So you see any

722
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 1: of these? And uh? Um, another example of a war

723
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:52,360
Speaker 1: film would be done Kirk right. Uh. These these are

724
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 1: very high production, high value films, you know, and uh,

725
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:59,919
Speaker 1: in many ways they are accurate and don't shy away

726
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:03,359
Speaker 1: from the violence that people encountered. But let's say you're

727
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 1: a kid watching this. Maybe you're even a little young

728
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 1: for it. So this is serious, shocking stuff you're seeing,

729
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:12,279
Speaker 1: and while you're watching it, you're imagining one of your

730
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:16,720
Speaker 1: older relatives who had told you about his time fighting

731
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 1: with the Allies World War two. Again, people tend to

732
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:24,400
Speaker 1: want to be part of something larger than themselves, So

733
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Speaker 1: this movie may have been more than a diverting hour

734
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 1: and a half to two and a half hours. This

735
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:32,880
Speaker 1: this film may have just made that kid feel like

736
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 1: he is pursuing his destiny, that it is his fate

737
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 1: to become the next in a long line of people

738
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Speaker 1: fighting to make the world a better place. And I'm

739
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 1: not saying any of that is untrue. That very well

740
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 1: may be true. But the kid learned about it through

741
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 1: a blockbuster film. Yeah, I remembering that movie Pearl Harbor. Now, yeah,

742
00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 1: been Michael Bay. I don't remember who directed it. I

743
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 1: just remember that iconic scene and you know when it's well,

744
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 1: I don't I honestly don't remember much about the movie. Besides,

745
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 1: there were nurses involved. Ben Athleck was there, and they

746
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 1: spent a lot of money on you know, the depicting

747
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 1: the attack on Pearl Harbor. It's a big flag waving

748
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 1: tent pole movie. You know, that got slammed critically because

749
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:27,840
Speaker 1: of that very fact. It was almost like Colin Lee

750
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 1: that thing. Uh. And that's I think why Michael Bay

751
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 1: is such a popular choice for some of these situations,

752
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:37,240
Speaker 1: because he you know, we know where we the military

753
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 1: know where we stand with Michael Bay. And without without

754
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 1: diving into the ideation in the genesis of that film, uh,

755
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 1: there's a fair question to ask, you know, was it

756
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 1: Michael Bay's original idea or was he asked to join

757
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 1: the team? Which is again again not insidious. That happens

758
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 1: all the time with directors a studio as a script

759
00:45:57,920 --> 00:45:59,919
Speaker 1: they really like and they have a director they really

760
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 1: they have a dream director they really want to work with,

761
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: and they want to see if they can get that

762
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 1: person on board. And they've got one more picture to

763
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 1: make with Affleck according to his deal. So I mean

764
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 1: right right, the Affleck deals. They just read havoc throughout

765
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 1: the industry. So studies show that there are numerous factors

766
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 1: leading to an increased likelihood of military recruitment. What we

767
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 1: mean by that is that if you look at like

768
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Speaker 1: if you look at a map of the US and

769
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 1: it's various territories, you will see there are a couple

770
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 1: of things that correlate with someone's likelihood to join the military. Uh.

771
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:50,800
Speaker 1: Some of these things include, um include stuff like painful

772
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 1: socioeconomic backgrounds, right leading to a lack of a viable

773
00:46:56,080 --> 00:47:00,360
Speaker 1: long term economic future. The most apparent ex ample to

774
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 1: a lot of people nowadays would be something like, how

775
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:06,880
Speaker 1: can I afford to go to college? You know what

776
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: I mean? How how on earth am I supposed to

777
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 1: compete with those families who have intergenerational wealth and started

778
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 1: a college fund for their kid when the kid was

779
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 1: like negative two years old? And now you know, now

780
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 1: I have to try to make my own way working

781
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 1: three jobs, right, uh? How And unfortunately that is very

782
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 1: common and again, not everybody has to go to college.

783
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 1: I think that's a myth that's been sold to the

784
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 1: American public in particular. But there are other like, there

785
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 1: are other factors like to have you do, come from

786
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 1: a military family, things of that nature. All of those things, however,

787
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 1: they exist with a number of their own caveats, right,

788
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 1: like not that what this means is that every recruitment

789
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Speaker 1: act you make or endeavor you you set upon is

790
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 1: going to have to target people in some way that

791
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 1: may exclude other people you wanted to target. Right. So

792
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 1: if you have, for instance, if you have uh, solely

793
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 1: English language ads, you're going to be missing part of

794
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 1: the demographic. Right. And that's what makes the media so powerful,

795
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 1: because the military is very much aware of the fact

796
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 1: that everybody watches something, right you can you can't yet

797
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,800
Speaker 1: say everybody plays something, although I think you can in

798
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 1: the future, but right now you can say everybody watches something.

799
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 1: And that means that investing in media in this way

800
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 1: cuts across all those social, demographic financial boundaries. You are

801
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 1: speaking to everyone at this point. Uh. That is something

802
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 1: that is tremendously powerful. But it's also been used in sneaky,

803
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:54,720
Speaker 1: sneaky ways. And there's there's an example, Matt that you found,

804
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 1: uh and we talked a little bit off air about

805
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 1: that I recall, but I really think we should explore this.

806
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:03,239
Speaker 1: I think we owe it to everyone to talk about

807
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 1: this one. Yeah. I think this is the best example

808
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 1: at least that I was able to find when it

809
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Speaker 1: comes to sponsoring, at least or partnering maybe with an

810
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 1: i P an intellectual property and a big budget film

811
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 1: franchise for recruitment purposes. Maybe not specifically for that, but

812
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 1: dang finding a way to really utilize recruitment in the

813
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 1: promotion of a film. So we have to jump to

814
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 1: and look at the Yes, it is the sequel to

815
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 1: Independence Day, that movie that lives in all of our

816
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 1: hearts as as children of at least for me of

817
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 1: the eighties, Welcome to Earth as as I would say

818
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 1: to all of my friends for a long long time,

819
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 1: except I would do it as Will Smith. Um. The

820
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:57,839
Speaker 1: first movie was just very very popular, right, I mean,

821
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 1: you guys loved Independence Day? Did my record in this

822
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 1: episode earlier? Okay, I just want to make sure we're

823
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 1: all there. You drop a swear after saying welcome to

824
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 1: Earth and then punches the thing in the face. Yeah, dude,

825
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 1: it's perfect. Um. So when they when they made a

826
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 1: sequel for this film, part of the marketing and the

827
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Speaker 1: trailers they would put out the teasers it one of

828
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Speaker 1: There are several of these, like one of them is

829
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:27,359
Speaker 1: a look back, essentially a tribute to the quote war

830
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Speaker 1: of that happened in the first movie, right, and they create,

831
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,879
Speaker 1: they do just such a good job world building. Um,

832
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 1: they've got all the characters looking back, reflecting, talking about

833
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 1: what happened, how they got so far. And one of

834
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 1: the main pieces of them reflecting back is this thing

835
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:51,320
Speaker 1: called the Earth Space Defense Group. And in this trailer

836
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:55,400
Speaker 1: they create essentially a recruitment video for the Earth Space

837
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Speaker 1: Defense and they implore you, essentially as the viewer, as

838
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 1: this person who's watching their message in this this fake reality,

839
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 1: in this world of the movie, to join this thing.

840
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:10,320
Speaker 1: And if it tells you, go to a website. And

841
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:13,880
Speaker 1: you go to this website and it's like join E

842
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 1: s D dot com. That's what it was. If you

843
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 1: went there, you could actually play a couple of really

844
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 1: interesting video games, some simulations based on the movie's world.

845
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:26,320
Speaker 1: It's pretty cool. They're like testing you out. But in

846
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 1: order to get access to it, you have to give

847
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:35,359
Speaker 1: the website access to your Facebook account. Now this is okay. Also,

848
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 1: keep in mind you're not signed into the movie franchises

849
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 1: website where you actually are online when you go to

850
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:47,759
Speaker 1: that link, as you've been redirected to Go Army dot com,

851
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 1: which is the US Army's recruitment site. It's the official one.

852
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 1: So if you if you watch these trailers and they

853
00:51:58,080 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 1: got they got a ton of clicks, a ton of

854
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 1: you for all this this content they were creating for

855
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 1: Join E s D. It was actually the military capturing

856
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 1: intel on viewers. Um, it doesn't matter how old you are.

857
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:13,720
Speaker 1: If you are old enough to have a Facebook account,

858
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 1: they could capture your data there and you'd go through

859
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:20,720
Speaker 1: these simulations video game style, and they were lightly pushing

860
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 1: you to join the actual army using these skills. Because

861
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:28,759
Speaker 1: they're testing your skills with these various simulations. It's brilliant,

862
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 1: and really it feels messed up. It feels very messed up,

863
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:36,840
Speaker 1: and it's legal. Yeah. Yeah, that's the problem because the

864
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:41,880
Speaker 1: way Facebook partnerships of that kind of of that ILK work. Uh.

865
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:44,719
Speaker 1: You know, if you've ever been to a website and

866
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:47,439
Speaker 1: it gives you a couple of options, it's really giving

867
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:50,239
Speaker 1: you the option of where you want where you want

868
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 1: your data. Sauld right, So sign him with Google, sign

869
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 1: him with Facebook, or sign him with email. Takes a second.

870
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:00,360
Speaker 1: But there's some great throwaway email service as you can

871
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:04,400
Speaker 1: use for that too. If you if you prioritize this

872
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:08,840
Speaker 1: so this happens, it's not illegal, but it is sneaky

873
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 1: and it's not a super great look. I think we

874
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:15,919
Speaker 1: can all agree on that, especially consider like if you're

875
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:19,840
Speaker 1: a parent and your kid is on that website and

876
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 1: then later you start getting these mailers about the army

877
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 1: addressed not to the household but to like your fourteen

878
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 1: year old, then you're a little freaked out if that

879
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:33,719
Speaker 1: If that happens, we're saying that definitely did well. But

880
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 1: but think about fake really really think about it, guys.

881
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 1: It's if if they came right out and the director said,

882
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:45,280
Speaker 1: or there was a big title screen like this trailer

883
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 1: is presented to you by the United States Army. Uh,

884
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 1: this is recruitment material, Like parents probably wouldn't ever allow

885
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:57,799
Speaker 1: their kids to watch it. Well, then it seems less

886
00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 1: like entertainment, right, it's more overt pop by Ganda. And

887
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:02,880
Speaker 1: one thing you can one thing you can see in

888
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:06,279
Speaker 1: these films is that, especially in feature films, in the

889
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:09,759
Speaker 1: credits at the end of the film, you will see acknowledgement.

890
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 1: You're never not going to see that if the army

891
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:15,759
Speaker 1: is involved, or if the military services are involved. But

892
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:18,720
Speaker 1: here we go. So we've described things that are perfectly legal,

893
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:23,200
Speaker 1: have some troubling potential. Uh. There have been times, just

894
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:26,319
Speaker 1: like with the Independence Day sequel trailer, where these things

895
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:31,320
Speaker 1: went a little wrong. Uh. But the thing that the

896
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:35,320
Speaker 1: thing here that should bother you is that it's not

897
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 1: it's not necessarily the process or the existence of this phenomenon,

898
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:46,040
Speaker 1: as Dennis Reynolds would say, because of the implication. We

899
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 1: did it. We finally thanks to codenamed dot holiday, we

900
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:53,399
Speaker 1: finally squeezed an actual always studying Philadelphia quote. There don't

901
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 1: sue us, guys, they're wealthy now, they don't. They don't

902
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:59,440
Speaker 1: need our money. We gave you our money already. Okay, jeez,

903
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 1: we did did Uh. But yeah, the implication, what do

904
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:05,439
Speaker 1: we mean by that? Well, if all this is true,

905
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:08,239
Speaker 1: and it very much is, is it really that much

906
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:10,640
Speaker 1: of a problem. I mean, Hollywood has never been a

907
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:13,719
Speaker 1: perfect place. Think of all the other things. Hollywood has

908
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:18,640
Speaker 1: done things that are terrible, right, like aiding sexual assault

909
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:24,360
Speaker 1: and sexual abuse for multiple generations and just covering it

910
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:27,799
Speaker 1: up forever and ever and ever and ever. I mean,

911
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 1: in comparison, you could say this seems somewhat tame, but

912
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:36,839
Speaker 1: there are serious, lasting issues with this arrangement. Like here's

913
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:40,480
Speaker 1: the question We've used the phrase slippery slope before. I

914
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 1: know some people hate it. I know sometimes it feels cliche,

915
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:46,360
Speaker 1: but you have to remember things are often only called

916
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 1: cliche because they are making true. So think about this,

917
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 1: there's a slippery slope. At what point does consulting on

918
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 1: or influencing the plot of a movie script, you know,

919
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:02,520
Speaker 1: from checking for accuracy to co writing, Uh, at what

920
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:07,040
Speaker 1: point does that slide into an attack on freedom of speech? Like?

921
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:11,640
Speaker 1: At what point is uh, you know, some someone's creative voice,

922
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 1: whether director's, scriptwriter, etcetera? What what? At what point is

923
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 1: that silence? Does this count as the same thing? I

924
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 1: would say technically no, but troublingly close. What do you

925
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 1: guys think? This makes you worry about the bubble that

926
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:28,799
Speaker 1: we're in, as you know, United States citizens, as Westerners,

927
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:33,680
Speaker 1: like what we've We've seen things that are critical of

928
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 1: our country and our militaries right there. There's there's a

929
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:42,399
Speaker 1: whole host of content that is critical in some way

930
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:46,960
Speaker 1: of those institutions and those powers. But I wonder if

931
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:50,680
Speaker 1: there are still holes in our knowledge just due to

932
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:53,200
Speaker 1: where we live and what information we have access to,

933
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 1: or what is being prevented? What? What? What is being

934
00:56:57,640 --> 00:57:03,560
Speaker 1: shielded from us just by Maybe I don't think the

935
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:06,919
Speaker 1: government would do that, but maybe they do. Maybe that's

936
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:09,120
Speaker 1: that's something that occurs in the same way that other

937
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 1: countries shield content from their citizens. Oh yeah, that's a

938
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:17,720
Speaker 1: excellent and very disturbing point, Matt. I mean, you're not

939
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 1: going to see the controversy about depleted uranium rounds popping

940
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 1: up in the next Transformers film, right most likely? Um? Yeah,

941
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 1: because then we're in a situation of the famous unknown unknown.

942
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 1: We don't know what we don't know? Uh, And this

943
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:38,600
Speaker 1: can be this can be dangerous because a less informed

944
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 1: public is a less powerful public. And of course, of

945
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 1: course there are things that have to remain classified because

946
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 1: people's literal lives are on the line. But again, how

947
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 1: do we how do we navigate that? How do we

948
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:57,000
Speaker 1: figure out? I don't know, like, has there ever been

949
00:57:57,600 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's ever been in the history

950
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:04,600
Speaker 1: of public declassification in this country. I don't think there's

951
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 1: ever been something released that made the entirety of the

952
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 1: US public go wow. I wish I never knew that.

953
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:13,880
Speaker 1: Let's pretend it never happened. People want to know things,

954
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:16,720
Speaker 1: even if they are ugly and disturbing, right. I tried.

955
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 1: I tried over the weekend to think about this. I

956
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:22,960
Speaker 1: got I got bupkus. Can you think, can you guys

957
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:28,920
Speaker 1: think of one human testing thing? But I think we

958
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:33,160
Speaker 1: all I think you know when Tuskegee experiments came out,

959
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:34,840
Speaker 1: when it when the knowledge of that came out. I

960
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:37,240
Speaker 1: think that was exactly what you're saying, like, thank god

961
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:41,080
Speaker 1: we know about it. But geez, I think that's usually

962
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:44,640
Speaker 1: their action, just as you're saying, yeah, yeah, the ugly truth, right,

963
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:50,320
Speaker 1: um will prepare us for the future. But second one,

964
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 1: I think we said this at the very beginning. Another

965
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:56,919
Speaker 1: implication problem here. If you haven't wondered about this yet

966
00:58:57,720 --> 00:59:00,880
Speaker 1: over over the course of this episode, fellow cans spiracy realist,

967
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:03,920
Speaker 1: who is paying for all this stuff? If you live

968
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:08,840
Speaker 1: in the United States, congratulations, it is you. You are,

969
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:12,800
Speaker 1: through your tax dollars, in a way, a contributing producer

970
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:15,720
Speaker 1: to every single media product of this type. It doesn't

971
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 1: matter if you don't like Katy Perry, it does not

972
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 1: matter what you think of Michael Bay And if you,

973
00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:25,560
Speaker 1: for some ludicrous reason, do not understand the beauty of

974
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:29,439
Speaker 1: the original Independence Day, well, no refunds. You already paid

975
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 1: for it for sure. Yeah. I have to say I

976
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:36,400
Speaker 1: don't even remember the existence of Independence Day too. It's

977
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 1: like a Mandela effects situation for me. When when was

978
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:42,000
Speaker 1: this like far removed from Independence Day one? Or was

979
00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:44,720
Speaker 1: it like how close on the heels of that? Today?

980
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:47,080
Speaker 1: There were some other stuff going on in the news.

981
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:52,200
Speaker 1: It was in um, the election like took over everything.

982
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:54,360
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys remember, Uh, it took

983
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 1: over everything. I don't remember anything else that happened in Oh,

984
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:02,760
Speaker 1: it's got Prince Miner and I remember that part. He's

985
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:08,439
Speaker 1: back pullman, hanging out. Uh huh, getting possessed like choke

986
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:13,960
Speaker 1: possessed by aliens. Uh, that's right, You're right. So many

987
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:16,440
Speaker 1: things have happened since. You know. I was just thinking

988
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:20,520
Speaker 1: earlier this morning, we're recording this on March first. Just

989
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:24,320
Speaker 1: hit me, it's March again. Weird anyway, I need to

990
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:27,440
Speaker 1: favor my vehicles tags hook No, man, I need to

991
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:30,360
Speaker 1: get on that right right, And I think we need to.

992
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:33,600
Speaker 1: I think we might be close to wrapping today. But uh,

993
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:38,400
Speaker 1: let's let's give us some words from back to You

994
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:41,960
Speaker 1: mentioned them earlier in Old Stockwell and Murray Griffith University.

995
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:45,520
Speaker 1: They say the following. The real danger for the entertainment business,

996
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:48,440
Speaker 1: which has for so long enjoyed the benefits of free speech,

997
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:51,200
Speaker 1: is that it is now in danger of becoming an

998
01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:54,720
Speaker 1: agent for the closure of debate. We depend on the

999
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:57,400
Speaker 1: media to use their freedom of speech to allow a

1000
01:00:57,480 --> 01:01:01,320
Speaker 1: variety of opinions to circulate, and of course that can

1001
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:04,720
Speaker 1: be that can be dangerous when those opinions are things

1002
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:09,360
Speaker 1: like hate speech or someone saying, you know, we're gonna

1003
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:15,240
Speaker 1: blow up the Smithsonian as uh, to rally the cause

1004
01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:20,240
Speaker 1: for the Flat Earth Society of Northeastern District of Columbia

1005
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:23,960
Speaker 1: or whatever. Uh. That that's true. Again, there's there's a

1006
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:26,120
Speaker 1: slippery sloop here. But we have to ask ourselves what

1007
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:31,400
Speaker 1: the responsibility of these folks entertaining us. It's but either way,

1008
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:35,520
Speaker 1: make no mistake. This is a clear successor to the

1009
01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:39,680
Speaker 1: complex that Eisenhower warned us about all those years ago.

1010
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:42,440
Speaker 1: And it is not going away. It is going to

1011
01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:46,120
Speaker 1: continue evolving because it is successful. In fact, you know,

1012
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:50,200
Speaker 1: I was thinking about I can't remember what which show

1013
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:52,880
Speaker 1: this was, you guys, but remember when we talked about

1014
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:57,480
Speaker 1: the growth of a r advertising. I feel like the U. S.

1015
01:01:57,560 --> 01:02:02,320
Speaker 1: Military and Uncle Sam is all already much further along

1016
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:05,000
Speaker 1: this path that a lot of corporations are gonna end

1017
01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:08,760
Speaker 1: up take it. I'm sure you know what I mean

1018
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:10,840
Speaker 1: by that is, I think people might see a lot

1019
01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:14,960
Speaker 1: of films which again might objectively be good, good films,

1020
01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:19,240
Speaker 1: and then they might not realize that they are in

1021
01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:22,439
Speaker 1: some way being served an ad. Does that make sense?

1022
01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:25,600
Speaker 1: That's where we go. We're gonna I think we're going

1023
01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:28,840
Speaker 1: to see more and more tacitly sponsored video game products,

1024
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:31,760
Speaker 1: and then again we'll see more war films that claim

1025
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:34,000
Speaker 1: to follow the pulse of the zeitgeist. So what story

1026
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:35,919
Speaker 1: are they telling you? Is the one the director wants

1027
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:37,760
Speaker 1: you to know? Or is it one the military wants

1028
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:39,600
Speaker 1: you to hear? I don't know. What do you I mean?

1029
01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:41,720
Speaker 1: What do you think? How involved should the d O

1030
01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:45,440
Speaker 1: D or any government agency of any country be in

1031
01:02:45,560 --> 01:02:48,120
Speaker 1: the creation of mass media entertainment. We don't even talk

1032
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:54,840
Speaker 1: about the CIA film companies. CIA is in this too, man.

1033
01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:56,880
Speaker 1: I swear to you we've covered some of this before,

1034
01:02:57,000 --> 01:03:01,040
Speaker 1: just in talking about propaganda and the military, not not

1035
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:04,040
Speaker 1: in this stepth and and it is worth your time

1036
01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:07,640
Speaker 1: to look deeper into this stuff, especially when you watch

1037
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:11,320
Speaker 1: anything where you play anything, or you listen to anything

1038
01:03:11,360 --> 01:03:14,440
Speaker 1: where the military is involved, just keep keep your ears

1039
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:18,200
Speaker 1: and your eyes open to what story you're actually being

1040
01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:22,800
Speaker 1: told outside of what the plot, you know, the baseline

1041
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:25,280
Speaker 1: plot is giving you, or what the protagonist is saying.

1042
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:30,960
Speaker 1: Battleship right, amazing film, and a lot of people were

1043
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:37,040
Speaker 1: surprised that the Navy produced it. Well, even the Tom

1044
01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:39,400
Speaker 1: Hanks one that came out not long ago. I think

1045
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:42,560
Speaker 1: we named dropped this name dropped this one not that

1046
01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:46,600
Speaker 1: long ago. What was it called Greyhound where where he's

1047
01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:49,360
Speaker 1: on a battleship and he's fighting with a U boat.

1048
01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:53,120
Speaker 1: I think he Tom Hanks just fighting with this U boat.

1049
01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:59,320
Speaker 1: Uh No, but it's like an ahab white whale situation. Yeah.

1050
01:03:59,640 --> 01:04:04,240
Speaker 1: Also has an appearance from lesser known Hanks son, Chet Hanks,

1051
01:04:05,080 --> 01:04:09,240
Speaker 1: who is probably more known for his fake rasta Patois

1052
01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:12,720
Speaker 1: gaffs than he is for his acting. But I follow

1053
01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:14,600
Speaker 1: him on Instagram and he made a post about check

1054
01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:16,680
Speaker 1: out my dad's new movie. You can see your boy

1055
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:20,720
Speaker 1: here as a sonar operator in one scene. There you go,

1056
01:04:21,640 --> 01:04:23,720
Speaker 1: There you go. You can also just see the actual,

1057
01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:28,920
Speaker 1: you know, actual Navy stuff. Another thing to put in

1058
01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:31,320
Speaker 1: the context here. When you're making it an historical movie

1059
01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:35,400
Speaker 1: like that, it is often the director's choice or the

1060
01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:38,040
Speaker 1: studio's choice, of the writer's choice to be as authentic

1061
01:04:38,120 --> 01:04:42,480
Speaker 1: as possible. So you know, working directly with whichever branch

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Speaker 1: of the military in this case the Navy, to get

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Speaker 1: working directly with an institution like that, uh, to to

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Speaker 1: get those things right. I mean, that's that to me

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Speaker 1: is right, I guess the right thing to do. But

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Speaker 1: it's still it's still weird, and it it blurs the lines.

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Speaker 1: So maybe maybe we say, uh, the issue here is

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Speaker 1: not necessarily that it's happening, but the issue is that

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Speaker 1: there is potential, uh for there's potential for damaging effects

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Speaker 1: for this practice too in the future have consequences, uh,

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Speaker 1: And how would those consequences come to bear? They would

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Speaker 1: come to bear in the absence of transparency. So they're

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Speaker 1: like whenever the whenever there's a hidden hand, that's when

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Speaker 1: things start to get dicey. And in some cases there's

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Speaker 1: very much there's a hidden hand here. And it's not

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Speaker 1: a look, it's not necessarily that these offices of Public

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Speaker 1: Affairs or some kind of cloak and dagger outfit right now.

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Speaker 1: It's just that the public seems largely unaware of what's happening. Well,

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Speaker 1: and and and it's a it's a choice that the

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Speaker 1: film production companies and studios have to make. Like we said,

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Speaker 1: it's a it's a trade off. They can either you know,

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Speaker 1: with the bill for their own tanks or manufacture them,

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Speaker 1: fabricate them, you know, make their own version of this

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Speaker 1: little more closely with these offices. Right, Yeah, they can

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Speaker 1: just sweet it. They can just sweet they get some

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Speaker 1: cardboard takes exactly exactly. Uh, who's that director of the Uh, Michelle,

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Speaker 1: That's that's what I always think about. Um. We're also

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Speaker 1: not saying that joining any branch of the military is wrong.

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Speaker 1: We're just saying it should be an educated, informed choice, Right,

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Speaker 1: That's all we're saying. Because I mean, there are varying

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Speaker 1: the military, but it is it is much more dangerous

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Speaker 1: than a lot of other occupations. That's why I think

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Speaker 1: that's why some of this feels insidious, because the end user,

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