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Speaker 1: And he would hmm, okay, you know what, let me

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Speaker 1: Like the usual suspects, there are no real stars in

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Speaker 2: Who's in it? Oh? That guy and maybe that guy me,

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Speaker 1: You kind of have that with the NBA Finals, and

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Speaker 1: maybe have that with the Indiana Pacers. You're like, they're

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Speaker 1: He looks a lot like Jim Carrey, but he's bald,

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Speaker 1: And what you saw last night with Indiana was that

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Speaker 2: But the Pacers will do that to you.

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Speaker 1: They're scoring and if they get I think there's a

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Speaker 5: Well, we might as well start with who's winning the

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Speaker 1: The betting odds right now, the Thunder is still favored

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Speaker 1: the NBA Finals correct series score right now the favorite

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Speaker 1: win in six as well. Eight seven, seven three. DP

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Speaker 2: This is a really interesting one from Paul.

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Speaker 5: I don't know if it's necessarily a pole question, but

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Speaker 5: it's a great topic that maybe we could make a

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Speaker 5: pole question out of it. But the best movie with

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Speaker 2: Steve Corell was not a star.

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Speaker 2: Steve Corell wasn't It was star with the Office.

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Speaker 6: It was Hey, the guy from the Office. Okay, you

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Speaker 2: Paul Rudd was in there, the guy from Clueless.

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Speaker 6: It was a lot of the guy from Blank.

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Speaker 5: These are all massive successes though that you're it's like saying,

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Speaker 2: That's all anybody knows.

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Speaker 1: Mike Breen, Hall of Fame broadcaster calling his record extending

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Speaker 1: twentieth NBA Finals for the mother Ship. He's with Doris Burke,

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Speaker 1: also Richard Jefferson. It's the Thunder and the pacers and

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Speaker 1: and I'm curious about that. After you call a game

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Speaker 2: How tired are you after a game like last night?

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Speaker 11: Well, especially with a game like last night, you're tired

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Speaker 2: Ruined my day, Dan, Thank you Mike. Have you ever

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Speaker 2: had the Wislaine time you had the environment where you

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Speaker 11: but there's often like I couldn't hear the whistle last night.

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Speaker 11: a lot of those buildings, it's so loud, and that's

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Speaker 11: And you're looking for the rep to see if his

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Speaker 1: How often do you have sort of a premonition of

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Speaker 11: Well, every single night, and I think every broadcast team

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Speaker 11: got tonight? Who you think? And I'll have stretches where

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Speaker 11: going to be a close one, but they're not going

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Speaker 2: Was your prediction for this or last night?

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Speaker 11: You know, it's funny, it's funny to say that, So

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Speaker 11: I really felt Indiana had a shot in Game one,

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Speaker 11: then I just I just knew Oklahoma City was going

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Speaker 11: to was going to blow them out in Game two.

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Speaker 11: Last night, I and anybody I spoke to when they

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Speaker 11: Indiana is so unpredictable. They can look like nobody can

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Speaker 11: beat him. They have stretches where it's which a struggle.

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Speaker 11: So I had no idea last night going in. But

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Speaker 11: there's just there's something special going on with that team

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Speaker 1: And Ryan Windhors brought this up on ESPN this morning

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Speaker 1: don't know if you got that sense, or Doris or

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Speaker 1: Richard got that sense of fourth quarter. Indiana has been

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Speaker 1: the better team in these first three games, no question.

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Speaker 4: Richard actually said that on the air last night.

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Speaker 11: you just have never seen. Both these teams that they

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Speaker 11: have thrived on wearing you down. For Indiana, in many

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Speaker 4: And obviously Oklahoma City, their defense.

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Speaker 11: Is something that wears a team down as the game,

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Speaker 11: But that's the first time I've seen the Thunder look

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Speaker 1: Well. Also, if I look at okc's Big three, their

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Speaker 1: just maturity there. Indiana hasn't been here before where they've

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Speaker 1: OKC getting over that hump, yes You're ready, feels like

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Speaker 1: this is a graduation of we lost second round, we

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Speaker 1: We've seen great teams who graduate to this moment. I

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Speaker 1: just wonder the maturity of we're asking twenty three year olds,

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Speaker 1: the Game did when they were maybe twenty seven to

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Speaker 11: Man, I could not agree more. You know, the whole

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Speaker 11: question for them coming in are they ready? Are they

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Speaker 11: too young? Is this their time? And they have to

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Speaker 11: prove that, and certainly they've proved it so far, and

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Speaker 11: even in the Denver series, I mean, this series is

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Speaker 11: far from over. The Denver series, they lose that heartbreaker

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Speaker 11: Game one, win big Game two, and then they lost

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Speaker 11: So now Game four is going to be the next

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Speaker 11: test and we'll see how they do. But there's an

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Speaker 11: enormous difference in that in terms of twenty three and

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Speaker 11: this sounds ridiculous, but that was a close SUITEP three

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Speaker 4: They played well. They gained valuable experience.

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Speaker 11: Last year in that Knick series, they were down two

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Speaker 11: game seven going away. I know the Knicks were a

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Speaker 11: little banged up, but the Pacers have really grown in

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Speaker 11: terms of playoff pressure. They've seen every possible scenario and

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Speaker 11: they've seen it together. Continuity is the most underrated part

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Speaker 11: that's what's showing right now.

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Speaker 4: Indiana. They have a little bit more of that than

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Speaker 4: Oklahoma City does.

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Speaker 2: He's Mike Breen.

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Speaker 1: He's the play by play host of the NBA Finals

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Speaker 1: for the twentieth year Hall of Fame broadcaster. If we

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Speaker 1: had a shooting contest between you, Richard Jefferson and Doors Burke,

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Speaker 1: who's winning.

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Speaker 11: It depends are we shooting free throws? That were shooting

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Speaker 11: three pointers? Are we shooting you know, it all depends

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Speaker 12: How about mid range mid range game? You know, like

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Speaker 12: SGA range mid range game. I'll stack my game up

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Speaker 12: with both of them. I've actually challenged Richard to a

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Speaker 12: do it, but he's never really be any idea in

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Speaker 12: to do it. I think he's afraid of me, quite honestly.

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Speaker 1: Well, he has everything to lose, Mike, Yes he does. Yes, Yes,

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Speaker 1: yes he does. Your full time job is the Knicks broadcaster.

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Speaker 1: H Can you tell me what the Knicks are doing

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Speaker 11: Well, they're obviously turning over every stone right now, and

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Speaker 11: that's you know, there's a lot of good candidates still

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Speaker 11: have quickly said, no, you cannot talk to our coach.

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Speaker 11: Although that's that's understandable, all under contract, and at this

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Speaker 11: point I think Dan, they can take their time. It's

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Speaker 11: not like I mean, there's a lot of still coaches

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Speaker 11: no need to rush it now. They really need to

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Speaker 11: do an exhaustive search because there's no need to rush

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Speaker 4: It's such an important decision.

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Speaker 1: If you fire your coach, Did you have a successful season?

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Speaker 11: Wow, that's an interesting way to put it. I think so,

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Speaker 11: I do. I think they had a very successful season.

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Speaker 11: They've taken the next step. I was certainly surprised at

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Speaker 11: Tom Thibodeau being let go from a standpoint of.

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Speaker 4: Success and results.

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Speaker 11: It's hard to say why, but clearly there was stuff

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Speaker 11: behind the scenes that were going on that they felt

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Speaker 4: But yes, it was a very successful season in my opinion.

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Speaker 1: Did you get criticized that you didn't give Tyre's Halliburton

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Speaker 1: one to three? I should say, like, is that your

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Speaker 1: policy that it's got to be a three for a bang?

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Speaker 11: Well, I haven't checked the rules and regulations and the policy.

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Speaker 11: I think the warranty on the policy is out. But no,

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Speaker 11: there's really no. Sometimes it's a feel. In many cases

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Speaker 11: it's I preferred on a three pointer on this particular play,

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Speaker 11: he was moving so quickly. Also sometimes too, I like

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Speaker 11: doing it on a on a home team big bucket.

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Speaker 4: Because the crowd overtakes it.

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Speaker 11: That's that's one of the reasons I started yelling Bank

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Speaker 11: because I needed a concise call when the crowd overwhelms everything.

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Speaker 11: But that was just more of you know, this is

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Speaker 11: an unbelievable finish. He has a chance to win, and

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Speaker 11: that's the way it came out. But yes, I received criticism.

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Speaker 11: I've been attacked, but it's all part.

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Speaker 2: Have you ranked your bang calls?

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Speaker 11: Oh damn, no, hope you start not ask me that. No,

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Speaker 11: I have not right, But that's for that's for the

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Speaker 1: I can't do because I would say Steph Curry, I

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Speaker 1: thought that that one. What what was that the forty

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Speaker 1: footer that he hit it against OKC That I think

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Speaker 1: that kind of started it. But I also Ray Allen

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Speaker 1: game six of the twenty thirteen NBA Finals. Where does

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Speaker 1: that bang.

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Speaker 4: In this discussion?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 11: Yeah, no, the Curry thing, I was the first double

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Speaker 11: bang and that was that was It was a special time.

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Speaker 11: It was everything that led up to it, and I

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Speaker 11: would agree with that's that's one of my favorites.

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Speaker 4: THRERAE.

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Speaker 11: Allen one is is clearly as well because he doesn't

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Speaker 11: hit that the changes who wins the title that year.

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Speaker 4: Playoff ones are special to me.

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Speaker 11: Derek Rose hit a game winner in Chicago for the

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Speaker 11: Bulls in a playoff game against Lebron. Jeremy Lynn had

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Speaker 11: a couple of great bangs that that that were really

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Speaker 11: exciting during two and a half weeks to some of

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Speaker 11: the most fun games I've ever been a part of.

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Speaker 4: So there's been there's been a decent amount that I've enjoyed.

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Speaker 2: Will there ever be a triple bang? Mike?

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Speaker 4: Stop?

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Speaker 2: I want you on.

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Speaker 1: Record, Will there be? What would what would bring about

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Speaker 1: a triple bang?

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Speaker 11: I think I think I would sound like an idiot

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Speaker 11: if I did a triple bang. But again, it's not premeditated.

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Speaker 11: The double bank came out naturally. It just was so exciting.

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Speaker 11: So maybe in a finals game, if a guy hits

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Speaker 11: a three pointer at the buzzer to win a finals

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Speaker 11: game and to win a championship, that's the possibility.

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Speaker 1: How about that Tyres Aliburton game on the line and

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Speaker 1: he hits a three and they win the title.

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Speaker 4: I have no choice but to do it?

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Speaker 11: Then, Okay, I'm under severe pressure to do it.

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Speaker 2: Then now I'm going to watch the finals and.

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Speaker 4: Pressure you know, now, this is unforgivable what you're doing.

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Speaker 2: How does pressure feel, Mike?

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Speaker 7: It doesn't feel very good?

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Speaker 2: Are you going to do you rest your voice today?

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Speaker 2: I do, like, what do you do today?

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Speaker 11: I drink a lot of tea with honey. I actually

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Speaker 11: I don't talk on the phone because I had an ears,

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Speaker 11: nose and throat. Guy tell me that when my voice

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Speaker 11: is struggling, don't talk on the phone because people tend

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Speaker 11: to talk louder on the phone.

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Speaker 4: I was not aware of that. Are you aware of that? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: If you've ever been on a plane when somebody lands

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Speaker 1: and then they're getting a hold of somebody who's going

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Speaker 1: to pick them up, listen to how loud that person is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just landed.

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Speaker 11: Okay, I don't agree. Hold on a second, I have

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Speaker 11: a call. Okay, I'll call you later.

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Speaker 2: See.

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Speaker 1: But whatever, If there's problems with you and your wife

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Speaker 1: and you don't get on the phone and you want

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Speaker 1: to text, I understand that. I mean, but that's on you, Mike.

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Speaker 1: I don't need to hear that.

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Speaker 4: I can use it. Yeah, I could use it to

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Speaker 4: my advantage.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I'm an ah the voice. I'll text you. I'll

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Speaker 2: text you.

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Speaker 1: Hey, great to talk to you again. Thanks for thanks

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Speaker 1: for joining us, Mike bang Breen.

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Speaker 8: Be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan

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Speaker 8: Patrick show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific

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Speaker 8: on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: WAP Beautiful day at Oakmont. Although I just saw Bryson

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Speaker 1: de Shambo hit a couple of shots in the rough

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Speaker 1: from one roff to another and then couldn't get it

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Speaker 1: out of the rough with the next one. If you

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Speaker 1: put it in the fairway, it probably looks like again,

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Speaker 1: not that difficult, of of course, the problem is trying

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Speaker 1: to keep it in the fairway.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Paul, they were just showing an overhead shot.

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Speaker 8: You know, the fly by cameras at the at Oakmont,

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Speaker 8: there was like nine bunkers and this sliver of fair

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Speaker 8: way in between them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Wild, But they've taken out like one hundred and fifty

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Speaker 1: bunkers over the years. I think they used to have

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Speaker 1: like three hundred there. Ernie Els knows all about that.

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Speaker 1: He won four majors, He won the US Open twice,

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Speaker 1: he won at Oakmont, winner of eighty pro tournaments worldwide. Ernie,

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Speaker 1: good to talk to you, Thanks for joining us. What

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Speaker 1: do you see when you see Oakmont?

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Speaker 3: Hi?

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Speaker 13: Dan, Good to be with you, my friend. Yeah, no, listen,

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Speaker 13: I put something on Instagram yesterday. You know, just because

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Speaker 13: weather played such a big part in golf. You know,

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Speaker 13: they've had some wet weather up there in the Oakmont area, Pitts, Pittsburgh,

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Speaker 13: and I just kind of reminisced of out time in

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Speaker 13: ninety four. You know, we had a heat wave, you know,

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Speaker 13: thirty one years ago, and the golf course was rock hard.

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Speaker 13: But with all the moisture up there in Oakmont, it's

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Speaker 13: nice and green. And as you just said, if you

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Speaker 13: could get it in the short grass, you can put

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Speaker 13: spin on the ball and you can get some control

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Speaker 13: in your game. And I think that's what most of

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Speaker 13: the leaders are doing this morning. And I went out

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Speaker 13: this morning with a bit of moisture and they putting

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Speaker 13: it in play and from there you can eat some shots.

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Speaker 13: They've already had two holdouts. We see those two holdouts.

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Speaker 13: I just saw one, Sane Lowdy just hold out on

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Speaker 13: number three.

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Speaker 2: So do you like playing?

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Speaker 1: Should the US Open be the toughest golf course you're

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Speaker 1: going to play that year?

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Speaker 7: Yeah? I believe that.

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Speaker 13: I mean all throughout my time, you know, at the

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Speaker 13: highest level, you know, the US Open was the toughest

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Speaker 13: challenge by.

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Speaker 7: A bar none.

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Speaker 13: You know, every nine and again you go to the

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Speaker 13: Open Championship. You know, I remember in two when we

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Speaker 13: played at Mierfield there was a Saturday just as dark

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Speaker 13: cloud came over and there was all havoc, you know, ensued.

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Speaker 7: You know, even Tiger had a tough day.

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Speaker 13: You known, have too many tough days in his prime,

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Speaker 13: but he had a tough one. And but other than that,

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Speaker 13: you know that the US Open is the toughest challenge

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Speaker 13: we have. You have some of the greatest championship golf

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Speaker 13: courses in this country, and they like to make them very,

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Speaker 13: very hard, which is so you know what you're in for.

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Speaker 2: What were you twenty four when you wanted oakmand.

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Speaker 7: Can you believe it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 7: Twenty four. It was a long time ago, baby.

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Speaker 1: But if you could go back and tell that twenty

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Speaker 1: four year old something, what would you tell yourself?

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 7: A lot.

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Speaker 13: I mean, you know, I remember, you know, in my

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Speaker 13: kind of my speech afterwards, I said, you know, people

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Speaker 13: will have to be patient with me. You know, I've

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Speaker 13: got a long way to go. So that was kind

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Speaker 13: of wise words from a twenty four year old, because

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Speaker 13: that's exactly what's ensued. You know, it was a long

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Speaker 13: it's been a long road. I did win another three majors,

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Speaker 13: you know, starting at twenty four to only when another three,

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Speaker 13: you know, just shows you how tough it can be

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Speaker 13: to win major championships.

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Speaker 7: You know, I won my first one at twenty four.

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Speaker 13: In my last one when I was almost forty three,

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Speaker 13: when you know, Adam Scott had a tough finish, you know,

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Speaker 13: at leven. So I've had some good stretches of golf. Thankfully,

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Speaker 13: I was. I've been in for the long run, you know,

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Speaker 13: to have a twenty year career at the top level,

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Speaker 13: you know, you're very fortunate to have that kind of career.

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Speaker 13: So it's been it's been a lot of fun, but

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Speaker 13: it's been a lot of a lot of kind of struggles.

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Speaker 13: You know, my game, there's so many disciplines in the

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Speaker 13: game that you have to master, and over time, some

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Speaker 13: of them decay a little bit just because of you know,

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Speaker 13: what's going on in your head. And you know, obviously

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Speaker 13: I had some putting problems and you know, that's that's

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Speaker 13: kind of that held me back a little bit. But

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Speaker 13: for the most you know, it's been a good run.

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Speaker 2: When did you first hear the name Tiger Woods?

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Speaker 13: I mean a long time ago. I mean I remember

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Speaker 13: playing the Buick Classic at Westchester Country Club, and that

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Speaker 13: was another favorite golf course of mine, and Tiger was

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Speaker 13: playing the program, and everybody was kind of talking about Tiger.

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Speaker 13: I think this was back in ninety four even or

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Speaker 13: ninety five. I mean, he's a couple of years younger

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Speaker 13: than me, so you know, we all kind of stood

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Speaker 13: around his little kid, you know, and everybody said that

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Speaker 13: he's going to be the next thing. So I met

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Speaker 13: Tiger back in those days, and he played in quite

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Speaker 13: a few events as an amateurs, and I was paired

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Speaker 13: with him. I think I was paired with him in

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Speaker 13: ninety five when John Dailey won the Open Championship at

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Speaker 13: s and Andrews, I was paired with Peter Jacobson, Tiger

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Speaker 13: and myself.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 13: I was also paired with him in the US Opened

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Speaker 13: at Chenney Coock in ninety five, So we played a

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Speaker 13: lot of golf together at a very early age for him.

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Speaker 7: So I've known him for a long time.

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Speaker 2: Did you get it right away that, you know?

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Speaker 1: Because some of the veterans told me, hey, he thinks

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Speaker 1: he's going to come out here and dominate. And I

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Speaker 1: remember one prominent golfer told me, it's like, hey, this

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Speaker 1: is completely different when you come out here and then

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Speaker 1: he wins like whatever. In Milwaukee, He's like hello world,

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Speaker 1: and you know, he didn't open the door. He knocked

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Speaker 1: down the door.

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Speaker 7: Yeah. I mean it's like any other sports.

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Speaker 13: You know, you go from cottage football or basketball or

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Speaker 13: baseball into the pros and there's a different talent level there.

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Speaker 13: You know, there's a different atmosphere, so to speak. He

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Speaker 13: didn't quite win his first one, he didn't win his

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Speaker 13: second one, but I think by the third one he

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Speaker 13: figured it out. I think he won in Vegas or

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Speaker 13: something ridiculous. You know, I remember speaking to Tiger. You know,

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Speaker 13: I had a close finish at the Open Championship with

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Speaker 13: Tom Lahman won in at Lithums and ANNs and I

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Speaker 13: finished second. You know, I was sitting in the locker

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Speaker 13: room that there's just a wall between the eighteenth Green

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Speaker 13: and the clubhouse where the locker room is, the men's

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Speaker 13: locker room. I sat there, I was having a couple

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Speaker 13: of beers, you know, just reflecting on you know, you

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Speaker 13: know how close it was, and Tiger sled in next

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Speaker 13: to me and he started talking to me, and you know.

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Speaker 7: I was like, you know, what do you what do

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Speaker 7: you what do you mean? He says, no, you think

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Speaker 7: I'm ready? I said, what do you mean? What are

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Speaker 7: you talking about?

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Speaker 13: I says no, you know, I'm thinking about turning pro

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Speaker 13: And I was probably one of the biggest mistakes of

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Speaker 13: my life.

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Speaker 7: Back to st You're not good enough?

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Speaker 1: Is Scotty has he graduated to the when we had

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Speaker 1: Tiger versus the field? Is it Scotty versus the field?

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Speaker 1: Now in these majors? In your opinion?

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Speaker 13: I saw that you guys starting to talk about that.

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Speaker 13: Even the players are starting to as that. But just

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Speaker 13: when I'm reading comments of really high regarded players like

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Speaker 13: Justin Thomas, you know, saying how can I catch this guy?

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Speaker 13: You know that sounds like my language back in the day,

658
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 13: you know, with Tiger, how can I.

659
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 7: Get close to this guy?

660
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 13: So there's already a little bit of separation and and

661
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 13: and and truly so because the guy's phenomenal. I mean,

662
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 13: he's you know, I mean it gets his patch where

663
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 13: he's hot. You know, he's very tough to beat. And

664
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Speaker 13: to be honest with you, I've been watching the golf

665
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 13: this morning. Scott is this golf course has made for him?

666
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 13: You know, you have to hear it both ways. You

667
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 13: got to put it in the air. You gotta have

668
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 13: a good short gum. Everything gets tested. But it's not

669
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 13: the narrowest fairways I've ever seen at Oakmont, So it's

670
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 13: it's very playable, but in over four rounds, it's very

671
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 13: tough to beat this guy when he's at his best.

672
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Speaker 7: So, yes, there is thought like Tiger this kind of golf.

673
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Speaker 2: What is pressure feel like to you?

674
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Speaker 13: Well, it depends on where you add in your game

675
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 13: when you shop, you know, when all your disciplines you

676
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 13: know you you've got them, got them intact. It's a

677
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 13: it's a measure of where you add in your game

678
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 13: and how you can prove things to yourself because the pressure,

679
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 13: the highest pressure is when you really get tested, you know,

680
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 13: and if you want to get tested against the field,

681
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 13: pressure is the is the best barometer to test yourself.

682
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 13: So it feels it feels like you're getting going through

683
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 13: a test where your game's at when you when you inform.

684
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 13: When you're not inform, it's one of the worst experiences

685
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 13: because you don't trust yourself. If this discipline that you're

686
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 13: not quite mastering at the moment, if it's driving, iron

687
00:34:56,200 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 13: played short game putting, especially under pressure putting. You know,

688
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,919
Speaker 13: things fall apart if you're not, if you're not really

689
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,359
Speaker 13: on top of things. So it can be it can

690
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 13: be good, and it can be really really bad.

691
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 1: But you can't hide. That's the thing about golf is

692
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 1: when I play on the weekend, I can reload. You

693
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:17,399
Speaker 1: got to go play your foul balls. Payne Stewart once

694
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:21,360
Speaker 1: told me, Hey, the difference between us and a regular

695
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:25,240
Speaker 1: player is our missus. We know we're gonna hit great shots.

696
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 1: It's our miss might be three yards off, yours might

697
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:29,959
Speaker 1: be thirty yards off.

698
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 2: But have you had that.

699
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 1: Feeling on the golf course where you're go I could

700
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 1: just leave now and walk off the course and be

701
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,760
Speaker 1: done with Go have a beer, and you know, I forget,

702
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 1: you know, the hell with the last round?

703
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 13: Absolutely, you know, And the longer you play, the more

704
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 13: those kinds of situations can happen, you know, especially me

705
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:56,240
Speaker 13: at fifty five. Now, if I have to put myself

706
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 13: in that situation and I'm not on top of my game,

707
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 13: that golf course will eat you alive.

708
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 7: You know, if you're not on your game.

709
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 13: The greens there are some of the most treacherous greens

710
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:11,839
Speaker 13: you'll ever put on, You're going to see four parts there.

711
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 7: Believe me.

712
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 13: Over this week you're going to see daft shots out

713
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 13: of the rough. And you're right, and Paine Stewart is right.

714
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 13: In Major Champions of Golf, it's not about the great shots.

715
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 13: It is, yes, but there's those shots that you miss

716
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 13: and you don't have a chance of hitting a shot

717
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,359
Speaker 13: near the flag. Where do you play it to We

718
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:33,879
Speaker 13: have a chance to get the ball up and down

719
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 13: or save a stroke, or save two strokes, and that

720
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 13: at the end of the day can be winning or

721
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 13: losing the end.

722
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 2: If I made you drink a beer each hole in

723
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 2: the Major, who would be who would have the most Majors?

724
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Speaker 7: Without a doubt?

725
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 2: John Day, Have you ever had a nineteenth hole sit

726
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 2: down with John where you have a couple of couple

727
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 2: of beers.

728
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:06,839
Speaker 13: Now, listen, I've known John before the US public knew

729
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 13: about John. John came down to South Africa late eighties,

730
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 13: early nineties and he was a superstar down there before

731
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 13: he became a superstar in the US. He won some

732
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:21,800
Speaker 13: tournaments down there. We were very young in those days,

733
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 13: and you know, if I was going to go to university,

734
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 13: I had to do military service. But I had a

735
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 13: couple of US college offers, and I would have gone

736
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 13: to Arkansas.

737
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:34,320
Speaker 7: Can you imagine that.

738
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Speaker 2: You and John?

739
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 13: Yeah, you know we might have. We have definitely met there.

740
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 13: But he's a good friend. He still plays champions to

741
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 13: a golf No, undoubtedly the guy. You know, he's slowed

742
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 13: down a lot now, but in his heyday, I know

743
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 13: even I could come.

744
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:54,800
Speaker 7: Yeah, I could have a couple.

745
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:00,800
Speaker 2: It's good that John slowing down, Ernie.

746
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 7: Yeah, well we all slow down, and yes we did.

747
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,840
Speaker 1: And you know when I brought up pressure, I was

748
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 1: wondering about you know, we can't fathom what Rory was

749
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 1: going through that Sunday at Augusta, because it was like

750
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 1: it wasn't joy. There was relief, real relief there. What

751
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,280
Speaker 1: is that feeling like of you just want the round,

752
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 1: like you're just holding on for dear life and just exhale.

753
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 13: That is so true what you say. When I watched it,

754
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 13: I was I was an agony for him. You know,

755
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 13: I could see the pressure even when he was making

756
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 13: puts like a number ten, and so there was not

757
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 13: a big relief of smile on him on his face

758
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 13: because he knew there were really tough, difficult holes coming up,

759
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 13: you know, eleven and at twelve. I mean there's a

760
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 13: disaster on every single hole at Augusta, you.

761
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:54,800
Speaker 7: Know, very much like in major golf.

762
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 13: So but the one that really shocked me because he

763
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 13: got really lucky on eleven because it was one one

764
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 13: roll away from making double. The ball was going in

765
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:08,280
Speaker 13: the water on his second shot. But then on thirteen

766
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 13: when he laid up, I think even he surprised himself

767
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 13: because he's such an attacking player that he laid up

768
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 13: and he thought, Okay, I never really play safe, but

769
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:20,320
Speaker 13: I'm going to play safe. And then he dunks his

770
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 13: third shot in the creek right of the hole where

771
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 13: there's a slope that brings the ball back down to

772
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Speaker 13: the hole. So that's when I realized, Wow, he's really

773
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 13: trying harder. And then he comes back with the tough shots.

774
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,879
Speaker 13: You know, I'm fifteen, he here, you know, it makes

775
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 13: eagle there, sixteen he is an unbelievable shot. Seventeen, that

776
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 13: iron shot, and then on eighteen he screws it up.

777
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,840
Speaker 7: It was agony to watch, to be honest, but happy

778
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 7: for him.

779
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 2: What's the coolest thing in your office?

780
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 7: Well, I'm saying yeah, our design office.

781
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:02,439
Speaker 13: You know, my my guy, Greig Letchy, he just left

782
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:02,800
Speaker 13: the office.

783
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 7: I'm sitting on his computer.

784
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 2: Okay, who are these things?

785
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 7: You know? I've got some memorabilia. I've got a photo

786
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 7: Pebble Beach. You know, I never one day, but beautiful photo.

787
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,800
Speaker 13: But I got some US open stuff here, and i

788
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:19,360
Speaker 13: got some signature stuff from Jack Nicholas and Arnold Palmer

789
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:21,359
Speaker 13: and and and so on. And I've got some other

790
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 13: sports memorabilia. So it's almost like it's almost like your

791
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:26,399
Speaker 13: place there. I see you've got a lot of.

792
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 2: I got a lot. Yeah, I got a lot. Do

793
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:31,240
Speaker 2: you ask Tiger for an autograph?

794
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:35,359
Speaker 7: I've got an autograph from him, absolutely, but a name too. Well.

795
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 13: Now, you know, as as he gets old, I'm going

796
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 13: to get more work.

797
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, you don't want to get it when you're

798
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 1: competing against him.

799
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 7: No, No, we went to we were you know, rivals,

800
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 7: so to speak.

801
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:54,360
Speaker 13: But he he got me eighty five but percent of

802
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 13: the time unfortunately.

803
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Speaker 2: Great to talk to you. Thanks for sharing, Ernie.

804
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 7: You're the best. Thank you.

805
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 2: That's Ernie Else