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Speaker 1: normal crew is back with you here on Wednesday. Rob Phillips,
Speaker 1: Isaiah stand back, heck ma Harrison. I'm Kyle Yeoman's Cris
Speaker 1: Beam is always doing great work in the back. Gentleman,
Speaker 1: how are we doing. It's hump day, got a little
Speaker 1: bit of time until Sunday. It's weird not having like
Speaker 1: an early like a game tomorrow. Yeah, yeah, it's a
Speaker 1: little bit different. This is the first normal week of action,
Speaker 1: and I feel like we should be getting closer, but
Speaker 1: we're not a long ways away. Man, got a little
Speaker 1: bit of ways to go. Huh Yeah, Yeah, that's okay.
Speaker 1: I guess a little break isn't gonna hurt anybody, or
Speaker 1: at least a normal schedule. It's kind of nice to
Speaker 1: be on Sunday to Sunday. I'm not complaining. I'm not either,
Speaker 1: especially you had a lot of flying into it. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's kind of you know, how long does it take
Speaker 1: for you to recover from your flying back and forth? Oh,
Speaker 1: you know, it's like a player. It's usually not till Wednesday,
Speaker 1: till I'm feeling better, backs feeling better. Yeah, I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna I'm not gonna compare myself to Can you sleep?
Speaker 1: I cannot sleep on playing, man, I cannot do it.
Speaker 1: Not a huge fan of flying. Are you want? Are
Speaker 1: you like reading? Are you watching? You know I'm watching movies?
Speaker 1: Are you just staring at the back of the seat
Speaker 1: in front of you. I'm trying to do something to
Speaker 1: take my mind off of it. It's a whole roller
Speaker 1: coaster thing. Heck, I just you know, put all together
Speaker 1: and I you know, so you you're clinched up the
Speaker 1: whole time, kind of way, you got tight cheeks. The
Speaker 1: best thing is when like you right on the plane
Speaker 1: going back. Yeah, there's a little clinch there. If I'm
Speaker 1: focused on other things, it's fine. But if I got
Speaker 1: to focus on certain things, So can you work on
Speaker 1: the plane? Are you gonna sit there and yeah, pull
Speaker 1: out a laptop. Yeah. But if I've got nothing to do,
Speaker 1: I'm just like, god, how much time? Oh okay, ten
Speaker 1: minutes past? Cool? We only got three hours left? Are
Speaker 1: you don't want to watch it? Like the little plane
Speaker 1: go across the map? It's like, oh, yeah, we're in
Speaker 1: little rock almost there. Like watching Payton Dry that's terrible.
Speaker 1: I do that because I like pull up a laptop
Speaker 1: in front of me and I'll do whatever on my
Speaker 1: laptop and then I'll just have that kind of up
Speaker 1: in front. I think to watch me, I have to
Speaker 1: watch a movie. Really, I have to watch movies. You though,
Speaker 1: you go home and you watch a movie. That's my chill.
Speaker 1: That's my chill. I cannot. The most pressrating thing is
Speaker 1: with like my if my you know, my my iPad,
Speaker 1: but my tablet dies or you know, they don't have
Speaker 1: a screen and a back of a hand. Rast that's
Speaker 1: the worst. That's the worst. You're just sitting there literally
Speaker 1: like this, especially if you have a metal seat, it's terrible. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but luckily have some pretty good status with American Airlines,
Speaker 1: so I'm pretty excited. Actually helps out a lot that
Speaker 1: always got a guy. You know, American American takes carapy,
Speaker 1: they do American Airlines. Isaiah is the plug for all
Speaker 1: the plugs. Let's just say that. I mean, he's got
Speaker 1: a he's got a guy with everybody. Can you can
Speaker 1: you fly or can you sleep on a plane? I
Speaker 1: know you can fly, but Jesus yea, you are superman. Yeah. Man,
Speaker 1: I don't have any problems with it. You know, it's
Speaker 1: not one of those hangduffs that I have. But you
Speaker 1: know I have a problem with you know, children on planes.
Speaker 1: You know, anytime I'm always surveying, like, look, where's the
Speaker 1: little kid going? Where's the little kid? You gotta take
Speaker 1: your balls, you know, noise cancelation headphones with you that
Speaker 1: that that I can do. But I'm just saying it's
Speaker 1: some over the years, it's like I'm the guy that
Speaker 1: gets the kid that's screaming behind the whole flag. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But fortunately I have a nurturing wife that always give
Speaker 1: the baby to me and then she's the best next
Speaker 1: to you. I might stop doing that stop doing that.
Speaker 1: By the way, these headphones there, they are live changed.
Speaker 1: They cut out everybody. Yeah, so all right, let's get this. Thanks.
Speaker 1: Let's get into some news and notes with Rob Phillips.
Speaker 1: Anything pop up. Yesterday, very quiet day around the starting,
Speaker 1: which very good, which is a good thing. We were
Speaker 1: talking pre show. I mean, we've talked injuries. Yesterday we
Speaker 1: covered well, we covered the fact that that Cedric Wilson
Speaker 1: is on the COVID list. As of yesterday afternoon when
Speaker 1: the transaction wire came out, the Cowboys did not have
Speaker 1: any additions to the COVID So that's a that's a win.
Speaker 1: This is crazy based off the last two days. For sure,
Speaker 1: I rs because man seventy five plus players I believe.
Speaker 1: I believe, yes, whether whether they're positive cases or close contacts,
Speaker 1: and I think, yeah, it's two straight days of record numbers.
Speaker 1: So he hope that turns around. He look at what
Speaker 1: Cleveland's going through right now and what you look what
Speaker 1: the Cowboys went through a couple of weeks ago. So
Speaker 1: you just hope that that continues. Yeah, thirty seven positive
Speaker 1: tests on Monday for COVID nineteen and then addition to
Speaker 1: that yesterday and now we're getting news today about guys
Speaker 1: like Baker Mayfield is now on the COVID list, coach
Speaker 1: Kevin Safanski's on the COVID list. I mean, we saw
Speaker 1: what Odell Beckham junior hours after playing in Arizona on
Speaker 1: Monday night football, what he was placed on the COVID list.
Speaker 1: He kint a touchdown and then less than twelve hours
Speaker 1: later he was on the COVID list. So it's very
Speaker 1: interesting to see how this is evolving. And at the moment,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, or at least they were ahead of the curve.
Speaker 1: Let's just say it that way, because they they've had
Speaker 1: some problems, but they're not necessarily the problem at the moment,
Speaker 1: and of course that can change in any waking moment.
Speaker 1: So let's knock on that wood. But what does this
Speaker 1: say about the NFL or does this mean that they're
Speaker 1: going to be any changes coming up soon or is
Speaker 1: that something that's that's on the horizon. Yeah, they did
Speaker 1: send a memo out to um the Cowboys and the
Speaker 1: other thirty one teams that all Tier one and Tier
Speaker 1: two staffs, So that means coaches and in football operations people,
Speaker 1: anybody that's around the players have to be boostered in
Speaker 1: the next two weeks. I think it's December twenty seventh. Ye,
Speaker 1: So trying to you know, boost up that immunity is
Speaker 1: the goal. And so we'll see what happens with the players,
Speaker 1: because that's got to be collectively bargained. But the league
Speaker 1: trying to take steps to mitigate this. Man, you're gonna
Speaker 1: say anything, No, I wasn't. I was. I'm you know,
Speaker 1: I'm just this is a giant concern for I mean,
Speaker 1: not just football teams, basketball teams, but society in general.
Speaker 1: The numbers going back up, and so you know, I
Speaker 1: really don't want the season to be stalled out. When
Speaker 1: you saw the percentage just go up like this overnight,
Speaker 1: I think, I guess. I guess the only fortunate to
Speaker 1: be fortunate for the Cowboys is that they had a
Speaker 1: kind of an outbreak weeks ago and some certain provisions
Speaker 1: have been placed put in place here to make sure
Speaker 1: that this doesn't continue. But it doesn't. It doesn't matter
Speaker 1: what you do, how safe you are, how careful you
Speaker 1: can be, It's still just one of those things that
Speaker 1: this ever president and when we get comfortable and we
Speaker 1: forget about it, it's like I'm here, how are you
Speaker 1: welcome back. It's tough because you don't know if it's
Speaker 1: the new variant that's going around or starting to go around.
Speaker 1: You don't know if it's the fact that people that
Speaker 1: got their their shots in March, it's been nine months
Speaker 1: and that immunity is just not what it was. Maybe
Speaker 1: it's a combination of both, but yeah, it's all hex right,
Speaker 1: Like just when you think we've kind of turned the
Speaker 1: corner and you relax, here it comes back up again.
Speaker 1: And the good thing about it is on this show,
Speaker 1: there was a day in time when it was everything
Speaker 1: we talked about. It was that was the news of
Speaker 1: the day, and it was pretty much, i mean, wall
Speaker 1: to wall and we hated it. I mean we would
Speaker 1: talk about it off air and we were like, we
Speaker 1: cannot stand talking about this anymore. We just want to
Speaker 1: talk football. And it's the first time we've actually had
Speaker 1: to really talk about it outside of the Cowboys. But
Speaker 1: that shows just how severe it really is. Getting anything
Speaker 1: else in terms of the Cowboys and anything stick out there.
Speaker 1: Not just they're back to practice today. It's a pretty
Speaker 1: nice day out today, a little windy. I would imagine
Speaker 1: they're outside. I'm not sure on that, So let's see
Speaker 1: what see what Tony Pollard can do this week. If
Speaker 1: he can get back into limited practice, I think that'd
Speaker 1: be a sign that maybe he can play. Jerry Jones
Speaker 1: sound encouraged. We'll see, you know. I think the fact
Speaker 1: he did a little bit pregame with Britt Brown, but
Speaker 1: it wasn't what I saw. I didn't look like he
Speaker 1: was really pushing it, So I don't think he had
Speaker 1: a great shot to play to begin with. Maybe that
Speaker 1: changes with another week. And I don't believe this is
Speaker 1: up on the website just yet, but I talked with
Speaker 1: Steven Jones yesterday. We had a quick interview and he
Speaker 1: talked about Tony Pollard and actually said that that he,
Speaker 1: like like Jerry did, felt encouraged, but still cautious. They
Speaker 1: don't want to rush him back, much like they've said
Speaker 1: with a couple of different guys throughout the year, Tyren
Speaker 1: Smith being one of those. They want to make sure
Speaker 1: he's fully held, fully ready to go, so that way
Speaker 1: nothing else pops up later on. You would you like
Speaker 1: to see Tony Pollard back in the fold quicker rather
Speaker 1: than later. Do you think you could maybe spare a
Speaker 1: couple of games here It's been weird how the plants are.
Speaker 1: Fasciitis injury has been perceived by people in the NFL
Speaker 1: saying that if it tears, that's a good thing. I've
Speaker 1: never heard anything tearing be a good thing, but obviously
Speaker 1: with plants are it is, and it's something that's not
Speaker 1: going to keep him out for the season. It's just
Speaker 1: gonna be a pain tolerance thing for him. So, I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously I want to see him back, but I think
Speaker 1: I want to see him back healthy enough to make
Speaker 1: a playoff run court. Klaman came in and did a
Speaker 1: really good job. I mean, it's not enough being said
Speaker 1: about the substitute duty that he did. So look, I
Speaker 1: think when you go up again, it's a defense Like
Speaker 1: the New York Giants. I believe obviously you're trying to
Speaker 1: get Zeke back on pace right now. If Tony is
Speaker 1: not one as far as the Plantard is concerned, then
Speaker 1: I would definitely be okay with keeping them out. What
Speaker 1: do you think ISAA people ain't gonna like they don't
Speaker 1: like what I say. I think I think you should
Speaker 1: keep Zeke out this week. Personally, I think you keep
Speaker 1: Zeke said them. I think you said them both. I
Speaker 1: think you said them both. I think that you you
Speaker 1: feel good enough about your team against this particular opponent
Speaker 1: that you can use this as a potential buy a
Speaker 1: week for those guys. I'm not hes not healthy. I
Speaker 1: remember the last thing we had confidence. I mean, I
Speaker 1: mean no disrespect to me there, your professional team, professional team,
Speaker 1: I mean, but you have an You didn't take advantage
Speaker 1: of the seventeen days that you had that you could
Speaker 1: have got Zeke healthy. You missed that window, right, You
Speaker 1: chose to keep them in the game, playing for fourteen
Speaker 1: fifteen snaps of pass protection, whatever it was. You missed
Speaker 1: that opportunity. Here's an opportunity again that presents itself where
Speaker 1: you know you Zeke's most likely not gonna have a
Speaker 1: major impact on this game. Zeke came in this past game,
Speaker 1: looked like he was a little bit better, took one
Speaker 1: shot on his knee, and then where did he go
Speaker 1: to the sideline? He's not healthy, Okay, much like we're
Speaker 1: talking about Dak's not who Dack is right now because
Speaker 1: of whatever's going on with him. Zeke's not healthy. So
Speaker 1: take advantage of it, like you said, Corey Climman, did
Speaker 1: it came in and did a great job. He was
Speaker 1: running hard, he had explosion, he had quickness, he had
Speaker 1: some quick twitch to him that we haven't seen from
Speaker 1: our backfield in a while. So let him go out
Speaker 1: there and do it. Do what he does. We had
Speaker 1: hard yet we brought up from the from the practice squad.
Speaker 1: Bring him back out there too. Let these guys establish
Speaker 1: a run. It's really an office a line issue that
Speaker 1: we've been having, not so much of a running back issue.
Speaker 1: The running backs just haven't been healthy. So use this
Speaker 1: week as an opportunity as you start trying to ramp
Speaker 1: up towards winning this NFC East and get your guys
Speaker 1: healthy because you're not going to be where you want
Speaker 1: to be with two limping running backs. It's interesting and
Speaker 1: thought about that. Um, we're gonna get into the Giant's
Speaker 1: offense by the way, Yes we will, and they've struggled
Speaker 1: for sure. Uh the only you're right, Like, I would
Speaker 1: love to see Zee another week off and get healthier,
Speaker 1: because he did say that many buy helped him. The
Speaker 1: Devil's advocate side of that is, I would want as
Speaker 1: many healthy guys on offense as I can get on
Speaker 1: the field and try to get more reps together and
Speaker 1: get this thing right. So I think there's merit to
Speaker 1: both sides. Resting guys. Oh, healthy, healthy, healthy, Yeah, and
Speaker 1: Zeke's not one hundred percent and he probably won't be
Speaker 1: one hundred percent the rest of the season because there's
Speaker 1: no more breaks here. You still have three weeks after
Speaker 1: this one, though, so if you wanted to set him out,
Speaker 1: you still have three solid games, three reps. If you're
Speaker 1: locked into the NFC's title by week eighteen and you're
Speaker 1: the fourth seed and you're not going in there, maybe
Speaker 1: there's an opportunity that's happened before. But but if you
Speaker 1: have a potential, do you guys feel good about this game?
Speaker 1: I know that comes on Friday? Okay, feel good? Pretty
Speaker 1: good about this game. Our ability to execute on offense
Speaker 1: without our two running backs, we feel good about that.
Speaker 1: What would you say would be the contingency plan? Though?
Speaker 1: That would make me feel Hardy Hardy? What if you
Speaker 1: replaced Hardy with Ceedee Lamb and you put him in
Speaker 1: the backfield? I did it twice. Yeah, he's good as
Speaker 1: a changeup. He's good as a changeup. He is I
Speaker 1: thought he's not. You're asking that question for a reason. Whoa.
Speaker 1: I'm saying, if you can utilize this week as an
Speaker 1: opportunity to get your guys some rest, polar Zeke, those
Speaker 1: are the two guys I'm thinking about. Tyrants already gone right,
Speaker 1: get those two guys a week off. Okay. Now you
Speaker 1: let those guys chill, get healthy, work with Britt and
Speaker 1: work with Jimbo, all those guys. Okay, then you ball
Speaker 1: out these next few weeks. That's the expectation. And then
Speaker 1: if you ever to secure the NFC East, now that
Speaker 1: last week, do you need to play them? No? No, no,
Speaker 1: So now you're still in two weeks right now, that
Speaker 1: last week going and hopefully going into the playoffs, that
Speaker 1: isn't going to be enough. We know one week isn't
Speaker 1: enough to get Zeke back where he needs to be.
Speaker 1: So you have an opportunity to get him a week
Speaker 1: off right now, get back, get him some more reps,
Speaker 1: and then give him another week off if you take
Speaker 1: care of business. So I'm saying, you have an opportunity
Speaker 1: to still two weeks. You don't need Pollard and Zeke
Speaker 1: to win this game. Yeah, that's the philosophy that I
Speaker 1: think a lot of Cowboy fans that have watched Zeke
Speaker 1: over the last couple of weeks, are probably you know,
Speaker 1: clamoring for that because they feel like, you know, you're
Speaker 1: not seeing number twenty one at his full potential. And
Speaker 1: then when he's in there, like you said, he's limping
Speaker 1: back to the sidelines. But I also like what Jerry
Speaker 1: Jones said in this interview on one to five three
Speaker 1: about resting anyone. He's like, hell no, we're going up
Speaker 1: to New York to play for all the marbles. Ye,
Speaker 1: We're attacking this as though. Look, this is the game
Speaker 1: to get us in the playoffs. And if that's the
Speaker 1: mentality the culture changed that we've been talking about the
Speaker 1: whole time, we're not letting off the gas. Health is
Speaker 1: what's important, I understand. Clearly obviously we all trust this
Speaker 1: medical staff and Britt Brown. They wouldn't send Zeke out
Speaker 1: there if he was going to be a danger to himself.
Speaker 1: I feel so, Look, the umber one thing is getting
Speaker 1: this offense back on track. You're still top ten in
Speaker 1: every statistical category even right now, but all of that's
Speaker 1: gonna go back down to zero once we get to
Speaker 1: the playoffs. Who's gonna be the healthiest going into it
Speaker 1: is gonna be most important. And it's hard to debate
Speaker 1: what you just said because obviously we don't have a
Speaker 1: healthy Ezekiel Elliott going up against let's just say the Rams.
Speaker 1: If we have the Rams at home for the first like,
Speaker 1: that's gonna be a game that you're gonna be saying, Look,
Speaker 1: we need him at one hundred percent, and right now
Speaker 1: he ain't even close to it. So you see both
Speaker 1: sides of it. You're saying, but what would you do
Speaker 1: if you were in that position? If I'm I mean,
Speaker 1: y'all know me, man, I'm playing for blood. I want
Speaker 1: it all. I'm you know, I want I want us
Speaker 1: to dominate the NFCS. I remember last year. I ain't forgot,
Speaker 1: you know, i'mn't you know, And I think that everybody.
Speaker 1: We're on a revenge tour right now, and we got
Speaker 1: to get back to get I understand that. You know, Look,
Speaker 1: this thing gets an over with it and solidified. But
Speaker 1: this verse, we could be a situation where we clinch,
Speaker 1: but we need other help from other teams. But then
Speaker 1: next week we should we should be the picture should
Speaker 1: be clearer, you know. And I think when you get
Speaker 1: down to that, maybe let's just say the Arizona game.
Speaker 1: You clinched the NFC East. You're not gonna get any
Speaker 1: better than where you are. Then maybe that's what we're
Speaker 1: talking about, to start resting it or even considering resting guys.
Speaker 1: Then yeah, I'm just I'm just looking at it from
Speaker 1: the standpoint right now. Let's say, Zeke, what percentage do
Speaker 1: you say Zeke is right now? Seventy five? I'm not
Speaker 1: getting him seventy five, I'd say seven. I'm getting them sixty.
Speaker 1: I say this is sixty percent Zeke, sixty percent z
Speaker 1: there's no burst, there's no there's no running over people,
Speaker 1: cut right, there's no cutting right. And if he gets hit,
Speaker 1: where did you go down? He goes to the the sideline.
Speaker 1: So I'm giving a sixty percent Zeke. So right now
Speaker 1: we're asking, we're asking for blood. Right, you want to
Speaker 1: go out there and take blood, right, But we're putting
Speaker 1: out there a sixty percent Zeke, which is just that
Speaker 1: an estimate. Okay, Now, if you give him a break,
Speaker 1: come back next week, maybe you have a seventy five
Speaker 1: percent Zeke. Right, that gets knocked down to maybe a
Speaker 1: you know, sixty five seventy during the game, and then
Speaker 1: you can even build that backup. Right. So, what I'm
Speaker 1: saying is, if you have a sixty percent Zeke right
Speaker 1: now and you're not going to get a better version
Speaker 1: of him going throughout the rest of the season, you're not.
Speaker 1: So as we started, you start talking about playoffs and
Speaker 1: all the things that everybody's hopeful for, you're not gonna
Speaker 1: get anything better than up to maybe a seventy five
Speaker 1: percent ze If you allow him to chill that last
Speaker 1: week and you're hoping for that for that situation, you're
Speaker 1: in control of the situation this week. Clement right now
Speaker 1: is one hundred percent when he showed us other day. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel a hundredercent confident with him now. His blocking,
Speaker 1: I don't know. There's a whole lot of other things
Speaker 1: that we don't know about. Can he do to understand
Speaker 1: the blocking scheme and all the things that Zeke does well.
Speaker 1: But in terms of running the ball, we don't need
Speaker 1: Zeke in this game. What about pass protection? That that's
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. That's what I'm saying, like, that's
Speaker 1: that's that's aspect that I say I can't speak to
Speaker 1: because I don't know his understanding of the offense that well.
Speaker 1: Zeke is a beast when it comes to past protection.
Speaker 1: He doesn't get enough credit for it. But there's ways
Speaker 1: that Kellen Moore to being a gur he is. He
Speaker 1: has to be able to scheme some stuff around. If
Speaker 1: it comes down to Hey playing Zeke because of his
Speaker 1: ability to block against the Giants versus getting him healthy,
Speaker 1: Kellum Moore can figure that out. I don't know if
Speaker 1: I trust this team to start resting people yet. I
Speaker 1: think when you have a veteran squad, and this is
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, if a guy's hurt, he can't go,
Speaker 1: he can't go, then let's not even play with that.
Speaker 1: But I'm saying, when if the flow that you're gonna
Speaker 1: go in with and you're not gonna have a buye this,
Speaker 1: you get an opportunity to go in with some type
Speaker 1: of rhythm and momentum. I think even with the Washington
Speaker 1: football game, look for two quarters, I washed us kick
Speaker 1: Washington's tale and then completely let up off the pedal.
Speaker 1: All right, I worry about that. I worry about this team.
Speaker 1: It seemed like they get out of rhythm a lot
Speaker 1: easier than other teams that I witnessed, and I worry
Speaker 1: about that going into the playoffs. If we give too
Speaker 1: much rest, will we be just completely dysfunctional with not
Speaker 1: playing Our starters are giving these young guys a break
Speaker 1: going into the playoffs. And I don't disagree with you.
Speaker 1: I don't consider us to be a rest. I consider
Speaker 1: us to be a necessity for Zeke. Yeah, that's I'm
Speaker 1: talking about for Zike. And trust me, I've spent more
Speaker 1: time than anybody with this training staff. These guys are amazing.
Speaker 1: But understand, when I was playing here, I was playing
Speaker 1: with a sublet shoulder. My shoulder will pop out in
Speaker 1: my sleep. But guess what on game day, I was
Speaker 1: still tied that thing down and go play. So what
Speaker 1: presenters was? I wasn't nowhere near one hundred percent, but
Speaker 1: I can still make a contribution to the team and
Speaker 1: whatever capacity put me in, I was nowhere near one
Speaker 1: hundred percent. Couldn't put my arms over my head okay
Speaker 1: without my shoulder popping out. So you're there's guys, if
Speaker 1: you have the will and determination, you'll play injured. Zeke's
Speaker 1: playing injured, but in order for him to have an
Speaker 1: impact on this team, we need him healthy. Zeke, what
Speaker 1: did he do last week that we felt like he
Speaker 1: made a huge contribution to the team. No disrespect to Zeke,
Speaker 1: but what did he do that Clemens couldn't do? Absolutely nothing,
Speaker 1: not last week, not last week. What about the week before?
Speaker 1: Probably nothing nothing. So what I'm saying, we're not getting
Speaker 1: him better. We have a Zeke. Zeke's out there. What
Speaker 1: does that mean right now? When he's sixty percent of
Speaker 1: what he could be? That makes a lot of sense,
Speaker 1: And I think the coaching staff is gonna have a
Speaker 1: tough decision on that. But a lot of it depends
Speaker 1: on how Zeke looks practice, and they get a better
Speaker 1: look at them than we do sitting across the table
Speaker 1: or sitting across the building than where they are. So
Speaker 1: let's just keep that in mind as well. We get
Speaker 1: into it going into Sunday. Now when we come back,
Speaker 1: let's talk about that Giant's offense. What do they bring
Speaker 1: to the table this weekend? What are they not bringing
Speaker 1: to the table this week when we return here on
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Speaker 1: phone up next to no no no no no angle.
Speaker 1: I don't know. That's a pretty good angle to that.
Speaker 1: There's definitely more weight in that wallet than there isn't that.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna lean into it, just gonna until I
Speaker 1: can't even fish. You need a ropractice for the wallet.
Speaker 1: About how long do we get until we get like
Speaker 1: the monopoly money in here and we just start making
Speaker 1: it rain on the something You've got to do something
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Speaker 1: as you hear Chris, and the music goes as long
Speaker 1: as you clean it up, that's fine. That's a good point.
Speaker 1: Welcome in second segment here of talking couples. Chris is
Speaker 1: he's the overarching figure that nobody really gives enough credit
Speaker 1: for because he keeps this place running. The watcher make
Speaker 1: you clean it up. He's the watchers. You guys can
Speaker 1: take everything, money everywhere. I don't care. It's clean. Are
Speaker 1: you bringing the champagne? Because the show, the next show
Speaker 1: is starting on time? Whoa, it is starting on time?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's another story in itself. Yesterday it didn't
Speaker 1: hello the break. All right, let's take a look at
Speaker 1: the injury report for the New York Giants. Shall we?
Speaker 1: Shall we talk about it? It's it's not great for them,
Speaker 1: the New York Football Giants. Daniel Jones pretty much out,
Speaker 1: still technically questionable, but you can say it's a slim
Speaker 1: chance that he's back this week. Kid Arius Tony, who
Speaker 1: really torched the Cowboys the first time around back in
Speaker 1: Week five, he's on the injured reserve and he's got COVID.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I hate to hear that I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: happen with him. Kyle Murphy offensive lineman out a door,
Speaker 1: Jackson questionable with with a quad, Leonard Williams questionable with
Speaker 1: an elbow. So there are a lot of guys that
Speaker 1: are key contributors for the Giants that are out, and
Speaker 1: I believe there's even more on that list than what
Speaker 1: I'm looking at at the moment. So, Rob, when you
Speaker 1: look at this team coming in, what are they going
Speaker 1: to bring to the table on the offensive side if
Speaker 1: they don't have Daniel Jones and they don't have Kadarius Tony,
Speaker 1: tell us Rob, I'm not sure. I'm not sure. Now
Speaker 1: that they've had three games since Jason Garrett was fired
Speaker 1: as offensive coordinator and Joe Judge in his statement said
Speaker 1: we're not scoring enough points. Well, in the three games
Speaker 1: since then, they have scored. Add it up real quick
Speaker 1: with that Agument thirteen and twenty one and lost to
Speaker 1: the Chargers. And I think Mike Lennon, who actually played
Speaker 1: most of the game against the Cowboys earlier in the season,
Speaker 1: because it was a Jabril Cox that that injured. It
Speaker 1: was on the goal line to Daniel Genial Jones. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he only averaged five point three yards attempt per attempt
Speaker 1: on Sunday. They're just not getting chunk plays and that's
Speaker 1: been a problem for the Cowboys. But it's probably been
Speaker 1: as big a problem for the Giants as any offense
Speaker 1: in the league this year. And of course the Cowboys
Speaker 1: they do have a chance to clinch the division this week.
Speaker 1: But let me run through what it what it's going
Speaker 1: to take for that to happen. Cowboys will clinch the
Speaker 1: NFC East with a win plus an Eagles win versus
Speaker 1: the Washington Football Team, and the Cowboys clean clinch on
Speaker 1: strength of victory tiebreaker over the Eagles, so it would
Speaker 1: need a win there. Then you've got Dallas also clinches
Speaker 1: the division if they get a win and the Eagles
Speaker 1: and the Washington Football Team tie on Sunday. So it's
Speaker 1: there's a chance that it happens, and there's a chance
Speaker 1: It kind of goes back to what we were talking
Speaker 1: about in an opening segment, is do you really feel
Speaker 1: threatened by this New York Giants team. Oh? No, No,
Speaker 1: they're they're they're they're they're wounded. I don't know where
Speaker 1: the animal they would be, but they're they're an animal
Speaker 1: that's low on the totem pole. Peacock. Yeah, probably a peacock.
Speaker 1: And it's a peacock that's wounded. It's it wounded peacock.
Speaker 1: So it's that you can identify and you can see it.
Speaker 1: You can see it is a nice, bright and beautiful
Speaker 1: but it's beat down already, and it wasn't a threat
Speaker 1: to begin with. These guys are not good, you know.
Speaker 1: I think last time we faced them, I was waiting
Speaker 1: for you to say that. I was waiting for you
Speaker 1: to say that line right there, these guys are not good,
Speaker 1: because there was one time earlier in the season you
Speaker 1: said that, and I didn't want you to say it again.
Speaker 1: It was against the Denver Broncos. Leading into the Denver
Speaker 1: Broncos game, you said that exact line, that exact line.
Speaker 1: I'm just telling you. I'm telling you said that exact
Speaker 1: line prior to the Broncos game. So I want you
Speaker 1: to tell me why this is different. For ten minutes
Speaker 1: before you came in, we talked about got it, Calm down,
Speaker 1: calm down, fight. We were talking about parenting before you
Speaker 1: came in, and that's one thing you teach your kids
Speaker 1: not to do. Your Sorry, Listen, these guys have one
Speaker 1: guy that can freaking make your life a miserable. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Who is h double hockey stick? I mean, I mean
Speaker 1: and with their officive line, they try everything they can
Speaker 1: to get the all in his hand. So you're gonna
Speaker 1: get a full dose of him in the backfield, him
Speaker 1: at the receiver position, him might be at quarterback. You
Speaker 1: don't you don't know what you're gonna get out of that,
Speaker 1: but he's gonna get the ball in his hands and
Speaker 1: you just have to find a way to shut him down.
Speaker 1: And this entire offense revolves around him. Now, do they
Speaker 1: have a couple of weapons at receiver? Yes, But Tony,
Speaker 1: like I mentioned before we played them last time, that
Speaker 1: was the guy that you had to really circle and say, hey,
Speaker 1: this little sneaky joker right here can get you. And
Speaker 1: he did. He got us. Guess what. Now, A couple
Speaker 1: of things got him unfortunately, you know, so we don't
Speaker 1: have to worry about him this week. They don't have
Speaker 1: anybody else that is a huge threat, and they don't
Speaker 1: have anybody to throw the ball. You know. The guy
Speaker 1: who's gonna be throwing a ball for them this week,
Speaker 1: most likely is somebody that digs. Is hopeful that play
Speaker 1: you know, plays and gains him again because he picked
Speaker 1: them off last time and they got from they picked
Speaker 1: him up. I don't know, maybe if there's a rotation,
Speaker 1: if it doesn't go well at quarterback, but I mean, look, yeah,
Speaker 1: Glennon is probably their likely starter. They gotta get galla
Speaker 1: day going. I'm not gonna do See, this is the thing,
Speaker 1: and I've thought about this, watching this. I was up
Speaker 1: early this morning thinking about this. The last time that
Speaker 1: we underestimated the Square, it was the Denver Broncos and
Speaker 1: it was all about them coming in here like, oh man, God,
Speaker 1: we gotta buy a weeg. We're gonna wrong, am and
Speaker 1: boy where we're wrong about that. Look, I don't feel
Speaker 1: anything about Mike Glennon. He's a big guy um that
Speaker 1: came into the league play for Tampa his first year,
Speaker 1: but ever since then, his trajectory has been going down.
Speaker 1: You're right, say Quan is all they have. But even
Speaker 1: watching say Quon, he just doesn't trust that kneed yet.
Speaker 1: And obviously it's just with the injury. And I think
Speaker 1: about Dak too, we're coming back from an injury. When
Speaker 1: does he get to the point where he's trusting himself.
Speaker 1: You can see it in the way that say Quon
Speaker 1: is running. Also, Kenny Golladay, you know he's serviceable, but
Speaker 1: he definitely needs a quarterback in his situation to get
Speaker 1: him the ball and he doesn't have that um One
Speaker 1: thing about our defense and I alluded to that first
Speaker 1: half and just seeing the way that they dominated the
Speaker 1: Washington football team, I expect them to back that performance
Speaker 1: up and come back to the to the Metal Lands
Speaker 1: or whatever it's called now and beat them down with
Speaker 1: that same style they have to attack this team. They
Speaker 1: do not handle the blitz well, they're at the bottom
Speaker 1: of the league when you are blitzing them. So look,
Speaker 1: letting go of the dogs is would be the time
Speaker 1: to do this. And guys, have you ever been like
Speaker 1: watching something on Instagram and just go down the rabbit
Speaker 1: hole of just looking at the same thing over and
Speaker 1: over again. So this is this guy is a hunter
Speaker 1: and he has a bunch of dogs, and he lets
Speaker 1: his dogs go first, and then his dogs when they
Speaker 1: find whatever it is, He's like, oh, okay, really easy
Speaker 1: way to hunt. Yeah, that's what we do. To your point,
Speaker 1: when when Jerry dogs go, dogs out. When Jerry was
Speaker 1: referencing one or five through the fan yesterday about the
Speaker 1: second half of the game and let him and we
Speaker 1: got to bring everything against the Giants, I think he
Speaker 1: had visions of Deaver in his head too. I think, so, yeah,
Speaker 1: let's not just think we can show up and win
Speaker 1: this game. And are they more talented, absolutely, you know,
Speaker 1: but they got they gotta bring it, and I think
Speaker 1: I think this game is more about themselves defensively than
Speaker 1: what the Giants present, because building off that front seven performance,
Speaker 1: that was a good performance by a defensive line by
Speaker 1: the Cowboys that I've seen in a while, and like
Speaker 1: I think, I look, PFF said, they pressured Kyle Allen
Speaker 1: and Heinik twenty times in the game, sacked him five times.
Speaker 1: Dak was pressured thirteen times. By comparison, there was a
Speaker 1: lot of pressure in his face. Yep. So that just
Speaker 1: shows you what they accomplished. Fresh eleven guys in there
Speaker 1: build off of that man, that's uh, that's what they're
Speaker 1: going to be trying to do. And where would you
Speaker 1: compare the New York Giants offensive line compared to the
Speaker 1: Washington football offensive line? Oh that's what do you guys think?
Speaker 1: I don't know that. I mean both have struggled. Probably
Speaker 1: seventy seventy five percent is good? Yeah, my wrong? And
Speaker 1: saying yeah, I mean there's an opportunity here to build
Speaker 1: on that performance is kind of end. Yeah, this offensive
Speaker 1: line isn't you know? I don't again put some respect
Speaker 1: on the name. Um, I just feel as though I
Speaker 1: want to I want to. Can I have eleven Levins?
Speaker 1: Is there a possible way to get ten other guys
Speaker 1: like this one guy on the field at one time, Bazukas,
Speaker 1: that's what I want. Wants he wants a bowl order
Speaker 1: because you know, got the free trial. You love it,
Speaker 1: I mean just watching it and sometimes you have to
Speaker 1: with all the hype and everything, you have to ask yourself, like,
Speaker 1: am I really come on? Is it really happening like this?
Speaker 1: And you could tell offensive lineman don't know what to
Speaker 1: do with him when he licked the Washington football team
Speaker 1: was in disarray. When we had our five guys on
Speaker 1: their five guys, they it was a matchup nightmare. And
Speaker 1: we're gonna compare all the way through the end of
Speaker 1: the year who he is and lt whoever else you want.
Speaker 1: But maybe this guy is one of one. Maybe we
Speaker 1: hadn't seen anything like this, maybe yesterday. Maybe the way
Speaker 1: that the versatility that he plays with from edge to
Speaker 1: linebacker and other things that he does out in coverage,
Speaker 1: we just hadn't seen from a defensive player. So I
Speaker 1: mean it is it is for me, I'm sure for
Speaker 1: DeMarcus Lawrence. I'm sure for Randy Gregory. This is something
Speaker 1: that these guys are like, my god, this is everything
Speaker 1: because you can't chip me. If I'm d law you
Speaker 1: can't chip me anymore. And Neville Gallimore. Neville Gallimore on
Speaker 1: that one play, it's like when your mama called and say, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm outside, come help me get the groceries. And you
Speaker 1: have to put as much in your hands. Since he
Speaker 1: carried this center like groceries to the quarterback. That was amazing. Dog.
Speaker 1: Never Gallimore, Dog, that is it right there? My mom
Speaker 1: on my way, my mom coming, I'm coming. He carried
Speaker 1: the groceries. Boy, he's got six plastic bags oh each
Speaker 1: hand before we head into our second break. How about
Speaker 1: this that this was circulating on Cowboys Twitter earlier in
Speaker 1: the week. Through thirteen games, Michael Parsons has more sacks,
Speaker 1: more tackles, more tackles for loss, and more quarterback hits
Speaker 1: than Khalil mac did and this entire defensive Player of
Speaker 1: the Year season back in twenty sixteen. That's crazy. More
Speaker 1: than Khalil max dpoy in twenty sixteen. He has twelve
Speaker 1: sacks versus eleven, seventy five tackles versus seventy three, seventeen
Speaker 1: tackles for loss versus fourteen, and then twenty seven versus
Speaker 1: twenty six quarterback hits. And I wrote about this last week.
Speaker 1: If you want to compare him in the player of
Speaker 1: the Year race to Miles Garrett, t. J. Watt significantly
Speaker 1: less snaps rushing the passer, so you almost have to
Speaker 1: grade it on a curve what he's doing. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: so the sacks, he's not first in sacks, but man,
Speaker 1: he would be if you yea, if he rushed all
Speaker 1: the time. He's uh And Dan Quinn said yesterday, you
Speaker 1: know well about LT what about Lawrence Taylor LT. Maybe
Speaker 1: the greatest defensive player of all time. So that's a
Speaker 1: hard comparison to make for anybody, But like just from
Speaker 1: a players standpoint, like he said, you kind of knew
Speaker 1: where LT was gonna line up. That's the beauty of
Speaker 1: bike it. You have no idea where he's gonna be.
Speaker 1: Yep So changing the game at the moment the way
Speaker 1: that he's playing here in his rookie season. All right,
Speaker 1: when we come back, let's talk a little bit more
Speaker 1: about what this defense can do. How much of a
Speaker 1: challenge this offense is going to present when we come
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Speaker 1: across the pond. All right. I've got a question for you, guys.
Speaker 1: I need you to tell me truthfully because I feel
Speaker 1: like we need to at least address it. Okay, how
Speaker 1: far can this defense carry the Dallas Cowboys in these
Speaker 1: final four games of the year and then into the playoffs,
Speaker 1: even if the offense doesn't figure things out on their
Speaker 1: side of the football, if the offense doesn't see an
Speaker 1: uptake or get back to where they were, how far
Speaker 1: can this defense take you? You're crazy, man. I like you,
Speaker 1: I like Czy, but you crazy. Then we get through
Speaker 1: this season, they get through the season, but playoffs don't
Speaker 1: have any hopes. You don't think they can win a
Speaker 1: playoff game? For you? No? Why is that? It's the playoffs?
Speaker 1: Then you're gonna get everybody's best. Even if even if
Speaker 1: you don't get team's best, most teams are gonna be healthy,
Speaker 1: and even teams that are not clicking healthy, healthy when
Speaker 1: they're When they're healthy, they're gonna put up points. They're
Speaker 1: gonna put up points. Why are you looking over at me?
Speaker 1: You got my answer is who are you playing? I mean,
Speaker 1: like you know, because they're playing three teams out of
Speaker 1: four that are struggling offensively this year. The Cardinals are not.
Speaker 1: So I think asking the defense to just carry the
Speaker 1: day against Arizona is going to be difficult. And yeah,
Speaker 1: Isa is right, you get in the playoffs and right now,
Speaker 1: I think if the playoffs started today, it'd be a
Speaker 1: four or five matchup against the Rams. I mean you'd
Speaker 1: be asking a defense to just shut down Matt Stafford
Speaker 1: in that offense. And I think they've got to be
Speaker 1: more complimentary than they are if they want to go
Speaker 1: where they want to go. I think the Cowboys defense
Speaker 1: could beat at least the six and seven seeds. I mean,
Speaker 1: San Francisco is the sixth seed at the moment. I
Speaker 1: think they could beat San Francisco. With just Washington, you've
Speaker 1: already done it. I think you could beat Washington if
Speaker 1: they're the seventh seed. But if it's anything five and above, no, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's not happening. Name off the other Rams, Arizona, Tampa Bay,
Speaker 1: Green Bay. No, it's not happening. No, I'm just I'm
Speaker 1: gonna pee on. That depends on who you play. But
Speaker 1: they're just some things about last season, and I think
Speaker 1: that it feels so much better about especially where they
Speaker 1: are right now on third down. There first in the
Speaker 1: league on third down. It means these guys are getting
Speaker 1: off the field. The one thing that happened last year
Speaker 1: when the when the offense turned the ball off, I
Speaker 1: don't know what that is categorized, is with if the
Speaker 1: offense turned the ball over, is almost automatic that the
Speaker 1: other opposing team's offense was gonna score. They've showed up
Speaker 1: that and that just doesn't lead to one hundred percent
Speaker 1: touchdown right for the other team. I just feel like
Speaker 1: this defense man, the way that they're clicking, the way
Speaker 1: that they're getting these turnovers. Again, whomever they play, if
Speaker 1: they forced turnovers and get the offense the ball back
Speaker 1: in favorable field position, that could lead you to squeak
Speaker 1: out some easy wins. But when you're talking about playing
Speaker 1: against the Green Bays and Tampa Bays and Arizonas, you're
Speaker 1: gonna have to play clean and air free football, and
Speaker 1: you're gonna need for your offense to put up some points.
Speaker 1: Gotta have that breathing room, right, You're gonna have it.
Speaker 1: So all that being said, this defense is showing signs
Speaker 1: that they can be special. Oh yeah, so that's encouraging.
Speaker 1: That's kind of where That's kind of where I'm leaning
Speaker 1: toward it, because we've talked about identity change, but still
Speaker 1: at this point, you know, it's not a true identity
Speaker 1: change because of what you have on the offensive side
Speaker 1: of the football. You you still fully expect and I
Speaker 1: think all four of us, including Chris and including pretty
Speaker 1: much the majority of the people in this building, expect
Speaker 1: the offense to figure it out on the final month
Speaker 1: beginning of the season. All we talked about is this,
Speaker 1: if this defense can be middle of the road. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if they could be fifteen middle of the road, Oh,
Speaker 1: they could be their twenty third total on defense right now.
Speaker 1: So I mean that's that's not middle of the road yet,
Speaker 1: you know. So there's a lot of work to be desired.
Speaker 1: That's why these last couple of games are so important
Speaker 1: for this team, and that's why I think everyone is like, man,
Speaker 1: we cannot let up off the pedal. Yes, they had
Speaker 1: a great performance versus Washington, but I think that confidence
Speaker 1: going into the end of the season is going to
Speaker 1: be just as important for our defense. Going back to
Speaker 1: when the Giants won the Super Bowl, it was the
Speaker 1: defense that carried that, But it was the defense at
Speaker 1: the end of the year that just started smacking teams down.
Speaker 1: That that was the reason they were able to go
Speaker 1: into Green Bay and get a victory on the road, because, man,
Speaker 1: you have some dogs up front. I think we have
Speaker 1: the makings of that. You know, we just have to
Speaker 1: see that confidence building continue. It was the defense and
Speaker 1: then Isaiah stand Back and his great work on special teams.
Speaker 1: I just think specifically so well for sure, and you
Speaker 1: only you look at the offensive line particularly too. I mean,
Speaker 1: and the matchups you may see in the playoffs. I
Speaker 1: don't want to go all the way to the playoffs,
Speaker 1: but when we talked about the Rams, he talked they
Speaker 1: played the Bucks. Yeah, ridiculous and good point. You want
Speaker 1: Tyrn Smith to get healthy here in the next couple
Speaker 1: of weeks, so that's not a problem in the postseason.
Speaker 1: That's the matchups that I think could really dictate what
Speaker 1: the offense can do once you get in the postseason,
Speaker 1: bringing back Connor Williams for h for Aaron Donald, m
Speaker 1: we got we got somebody to put up a man.
Speaker 1: That was fun. You see what Aaron Donald did on
Speaker 1: the first playoffs? Oh my god, talk about getting groceries. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Kyler mulloy, try to turn around and run it. Who
Speaker 1: do you run into? Yeah? Yeah, no, it's this finally,
Speaker 1: finally from as bad as they look, man, the defensive
Speaker 1: they played that game without Ramsey not a good sign.
Speaker 1: They're still good. They're gonna Yeah, they're gonna figure it
Speaker 1: out too, and hopefully the Cowboys are right in that conversation.
Speaker 1: They're at nine and four. We're gonna figure it out
Speaker 1: in tomorrow. Let's talk about how they can do that.
Speaker 1: Cowboys offense versus the Giants defense is what we're previewing
Speaker 1: tomorrow's matchup. And then, of course we've got to say
Speaker 1: it with your Chess Friday coming up later in the week,
Speaker 1: we'll have some fun with that as always, But that's
Speaker 1: it for us. You're on this edition of Talking Cowboys.
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